Ah. Well, arms aren’t “essential”. So it wouldn’t be mutilation to cut them off, right? Same with noses. Heck, according to this Top 10 a person can survive with his lower torso and legs removed, making them inessential… so it wouldn’t be mutilation to remove those, according to the “dictionary definition”, right?

Circumcision removes healthy, functioning tissue, leaving a scarred appearance and reduced sexual function. I’d call that mutilation.

Anyway, Circumcision for boys and girls are totally different. The one for boys are reasonable due to medical reasons, whereas for girls, the procedure was made to ensure virginity in some cultures since it lessens the sexual urge.

This is the reason why circumcision in girls are banned in most countries. It’s immoral and is very gender-biased. It is said to be done to make sure girls don’t cheat and stuff.

In my country, circumcision for boys is done at 9-14 years of age…being uncircumcised in our country is a very embarrassing topic. If you’re over the age it is usually done and you suddenly decide on having the procedure, it’s really embarrassing.

But it depends on the country, religion, culture etc. People have beliefs on these that are passed down so it’s probably the cause why some don’t agree on having it done. And yes, we don’t believe on doing it when the baby’s young…since it’s a very critical period – in other words, it’s risky.

In my opinion (TAKE NOTE: “MY”), circumcised guys are better…in a way it’s cleaner and it really does lessen infections. But as i said, it depends on the person as well (if he’s really hygienic then no problem…)I’m just following my principle of prevention is better than curing.

P.S. From what i’ve learned…ehem…circumcised guys feel more pleasure circumcised. So anyway we don’t force the kids to get circumcised, if they don’t want to then we don’t get them to. Usually they say yes, probably due to not wanting to get ridiculed in our country and as my friends keep saying “I’m a real man!”….hahahaha yes it’s funny, but anyway YOUR CHOICE hahaha that’s all

Thanks to anyone who reads my note!!

You can see those studies any time if you have access to an academic journal site like Jstor. Hundreds of genitally mutilated women were interviewed and the majority reported that they could reach orgasm, and from their descriptions they were definitely managing it.

Condoms are not 100% effective, no, but they are a damn sight better than foreskin amputation, if that’s what you’re trying to argue. Incidentally, there have been at least two studies that show circumcised men are more likely to pass on HIV to their partners – the US media doesn’t seem too keen to report those. Similarly, penile cancer often develops along the circumcision scar, so there could be a causal link there.

And contrary to what your friend may believe, yeast infections are not sexually transmitted, the candida bacteria is present on everybody’s body and it spreads for a number of reasons, such as pH imbalance or immunodeficiency. If she did catch it from her boyfriend, that’s her fault for having sex with him before his outbreak had cleared up!

“There have been several studies that show a majority of women CAN orgasm after undergoing full Type 4 (Pharaonic) circumcision, including cliterodectomy – e.g. Lightfoot-Klein, 1989, and Obermeyer, 2005.”

I would like to SEE those studies. Because the majority of women have trouble orgasming WITHOUT a clitoris. Infact MOST women have trouble orgasming PERIOD.

I mean I guess if you experimented on women and tried every way in the world to make them cum then they would.

The two cannot be prepared because the majority of men who are circumcised CAN reach an orgasm.

However, even uncircumcised women have trouble reaching orgasm!

“And, laying aside circ, he ought to be wearing a condom anyway, which would solve the problem without resorting to amputation.”

Right because we all know how well condoms protect against all forms of STDS 100% of the time.

I’m a woman and take serious offense to all the men out there even ATTEMPTING to compare the two!

I’ve never been with a guy with an uncircumcised penis but I don’t think it’d bother me, as long as he’s CLEAN.

On the other hand I know a friend of mine kept getting Yeast infections due to her boyfriend’s uncircumcised penis. He was clean as well! The Vagina is very susceptible to infections. Most Vaginal irritations are the body’s way of trying to flush out bad bacteria.

I do think if a man kept giving me UTIs or Yeast Infections I would have to leave him.

On the other hand I’ve never heard of circumcision being the cause of Erectile Dis function. I’m not ruling it out but doesn’t it usually have more to do with the man’s psyche?

And if we’re talking about men age 45+ who have a hard time “feeling pleasure” well then just shut up. Both men and women have trouble in that area after a certain age.

Also – lots of women have a hard time taking contraceptive pills. How come there isn’t a contraceptive pill for men? Cause it’s believed that no men would take it.

From seeing this I believe it – you all go completely insane over your penises!!! Women have to deal with SO MUCH with our Vaginas and you have to deal with SO LITTLE. But when you DO have to deal with something it’s a HUGE FUCKING DRAMA.

No wonder ED treatments are covered under most insurance companies but the contraceptive pill isn’t. I wish I could live the rest of my life never having to hear a man OR woman bitch about the goddamned penis.

For that reason, I would say the two procedures can be compared – both affect sexual function, probably negatively, but don’t remove it.

The moral arguments for circumcision cannot be supported at all. Put simply – it’s cosmetic surgery, on a baby, without anaesthetic. If you do use anaesthesia, you expose your baby to further risks that I for one would want to avoid.

Arguing that it “looks better” is equally ridiculous – since when was it OK to force your own sexual preferences onto your children? Women generally prefer what they’re used to, so how do you know your son won’t move to a non-circ country and find himself viewed as mutilated and weird?

Cleanliness is, again, a non-issue, since for a mother it’s easier to clean an intact penis (wipe the outside like a finger) than to care for a raw, open wound. And for an adult, all he has to do is shower!

As for “infections”, well I’ve never heard of any guy getting an “infection” down there unless it was an STI. The new AIDS idea – IF it’s true (which I doubt, given the history of wacky ideas to support circ) surely by the time he is having sex he’ll be old enough to decide whether or not he wants to be cut as a preventative measure? And, laying aside circ, he ought to be wearing a condom anyway, which would solve the problem without resorting to amputation.

And lastly – I’m prepared to bet anything that if the procedure had been invented yesterday, it would be illegal within the week.