Read Knol

http://knol.google.com/k/artur-landerzon-barrera-garcia/but-what-s-democracy/ahpk7a5l7a4r/60#view

Oddly enough, the crisis remained unresolved until the very sorts of social spending Churchill is complaining about started coming into effect. It must be a coincidence. After all, the drunk who helped initiate the general strike of 1926 couldn’t have his facts wrong, could he?

A) Who are you? and
B) Who asked you?

No, you did NOT answer any of my points. *I* made points. You responded in the arena of the general topic–but NOT responding to the points I made. I think you knew this. It’s why I accuse you of being disingenuous.

And YOU are in the bracket that will be affected? EXCUSE ME? You’re in the top 2 percentile of the entire country, in terms of income? Jesus Christ, Yarr…. who are you? Can I borrow some money?

No, Yarr, you are NOT in the bracket that will be affected (unless what I just pointed out to you is so).

No, Yarr.. you haven’t said anything sensible nor logical nor well-considered on the issues. And no… you did NOT answer my points. At all.

And oh, you still think Obama misspoke on purpose re: Auschwitz, eh? Okay, Yarr. Okay. Sure. And thus we’re supposed to go on thinking that you possess any sense of reason or logic and can carry on an adult debate. Yup.

You have simply given me further cause to feel more distaste and intense dislike for that godawful state you live in (Texas). Nothing would please me more but to give it back to Mexico.

Taxes
Immigration
Socialized Healthcare

Basically the 3 MAJOR issues of the campaign.

I disagree with his ideas on all 3.

Not because he is black, not because there is a D beside his name. Because I disagree with his stance on these and other issues.

It’s in every post, just about.

I don’t drink milk either. I refuse to put it near my mouth. I DO NOT CARE how good *other people* say it is. It makes me sick. I won’t have it.

So, I’m being disingenuous? I am against ALL illegal immigration. I had to use a *white* example because you called me racist. Remember, I live in Houston, AND I’ve worked in bars and resaurants most of my life. Some of the BEST people I know are illegals. Too *****ing bad. I would be treated the same if I snuck into their countries. It is not a matter of ‘nice’ or of ‘tolerance’. It is a matter of LAW, and of powerful political associations holding sway over their candidates.

The ‘Tax Bull*****’ DOES wash, because I AM IN THE BRACKET THAT WILL BE AFFECTED!!! Have you heard him talk? Maybe it’s not an issue for you. Good on you. DO NOT assume that what’s good for you is good for me.

I wrote a whole post on the healthcare issue that I care not to repeat.

Issues, Randall. There you go.

The only other one I haven’t touched on is the concentration camp thing. Well. You got me there tough guy…
But…

I still think he ‘misspoke’ on purpose. (Which is a lie.) Auschwitz is just so much more popular, you know?

Like the scene from Jaws:
“You say barracuda, people go ‘huh, what?’ You say shark, and you have a panic on your hands…”

Sometimes things are not what they seem. I tend to believe that more when a guy has staff whose job it is to keep him from making mistakes.

Whatever dude, I’m not voting for him, you obviously are. Don’t worry, because I already said I’m not voting for McCain either! Hooray for you! You win!

My reaction to you, Yarr, is that I hit a nerve.

My entire point in regards to people like you is that you HAVE NO REASONABLE or worthwhile objection to Obama’s politics. I have yet to hear ONE. When people do express something, it’s always couched in the litanies of the past–that Barack is a “liberal” who will “raise your taxes.”

PLEASE. *****ING PLEASE.

I’m sick to death of this bull*****. And that’s all it is. Bull*****. I know it, and you know it. And if you don’t know it, you’re out of touch with reality. The Sixties are OVER, Yarr. The Seventies are OVER. The Eighties are OVER. The Nineties are OVER. Those ancient bull***** arguments are POINTLESS and invalid now. For chrissakes, now John McCain has commercials on TV linking Obama to the Woodstock Generation. When Obama was a goddamned child! When I was a child! And I don’t know how old YOU are, but I can tell you, I’m SICK of this *****. I want a candidate who is MY age, who is not fighting battles that were fought and done with 20, 30, or 40 years ago.

We have just come through the worst 8 years of a presidency since Richard Goddamn Nixon, and I think *worse* than Nixon… and it ought to be clear to anyone by now that the old diatribes and pigeonholes aren’t *valid* anymore.

But when you raise your objections to Obama, it’s just more of the same old crap. And little of it having any value anyway. So yes–when I hear people talking grief about Obama, I suspect the darker underbelly. And as they squirm and wriggle, looking for any handy objection to him, it becomes more and more obvious.

True of you? Maybe, maybe not. But your objections to Obama are flimsy in the extreme. You brought up the ridiculous concentration camp thing, for instance. So don’t get indignant with me, Yarr. Again, I don’t buy it, this indignant show.

And again, nor do I buy the illegal immigrant argument. Oh, NOW what it is your worried about are Russian girls, being brought here to do *****? O—kay, Yarr. Sure. I agree, that’s a bad thing. But not the main thing people mean when they talk about illegal immigration, Yarr.. and you know it. Your disingenuousness is showing again. And badly.

I read and thought. Then got angry, and then thought some more. Then my modem blew up and I spent 3 days on the phone with tech support trying to fix the problem that a new modem just doesn’t seem to fix…

I obviously got angry with them, but I won’t let that bleed in to this discussion.

I’m disappointed in you there Randall.

All this time I thought we were simply two people on opposite sides of a debate- philosophically opposed…

I thought that while we may never agree, at least we could have some degree of positive discourse and sharing of ideas- to maybe ‘bridge the gap’– that maybe one could bring something to the table that the other could sample or maybe digest.

“So, Yarr–have a problem, perhaps, with seeing a black man in the white house? Down deep maybe? So far down that you maybe can’t even admit it to yourself?”

How dare you? When did I ever give the impression that I had a problem with anything other than the man’s politics? Or, to be more precise, when has this fellow’s skin color ever come in to play in anything I have said?
You have now revealed yourself. While other posters on this site accused you of being ‘a typical liberal’, I held out hope- hope that you were a man of conviction. Maybe your convictions led you to a different idealism than mine, but I, at least, gave *you* the benefit of the doubt.
You have, with this statement, shown that you are just another race-baiting jackass. Maybe your conviction is true, but your methods are sickening.

“Your concern for illegal immigrants being harmed and otherwise taken advantage of by their fellows is touching, Yarr, but I don’t buy it for a second.”

Well then, I guess that if you don’t buy it, it’s pointless to discuss. But, since you have called me a lying racist (for no reason) let’s talk about the Russians. Russian girls are being smuggled into the U.S. via LAX and SEATAC daily. Their families ‘sell’ them to the Russian mob for oh, say, $20,000.
All the girls (who are WHITE, by the way, so your *****ing race-dar doesn’t go off…) have to do is ‘work off’ that 20 grand, plus smuggling fees, expenses, or whatever.
These girls are forced to *****, suck, and cry on camera. Yes, they do AMERICAN *****. Their ‘masters’ make millions. The girls work for room and board and the occasional pleasure of a good gang-rape by their master’s friends.
If they ever get out, they are damaged beyond repair. Most of them ‘disappear’ if they aren’t compliant enough.
Because of underfunding and ‘hands-off’ policies, INS isn’t even looking for them or their bosses. IF they get busted for *****, they keep their mouth shut. Nice how people without ID will just get released to anyone who will pay their bail, huh?
These girls came here for a better life. AND, they are doing the jobs that “most Americans don’t want”.

Oh, but you were only thinking of the lettuce-pickers, weren’t you?

Jackass.