I have sung in classical choirs for more than 25 years. Many of the choirs I have sung in have specialised in “early music”. (The cut-off date for this varies, but I have chosen 1750.) There are many great choral works which I would like to share with you.
I have limited myself to works from western European Christianity, which is where my experience is. I have limited myself to one work per composer. With some tweaking at either end, the list is in chronological order. The information is as brief as I could make it and still be comprehensible, but I hope I have given you enough information to understand the composer and the work.
There is necessarily a large amount of Christian church history, theology and imagery here. If you are not into that, please sit back and enjoy the music. This selection is personal and subjective, but I believe that any list of great works from this era would include many of these works. These are “great works”, not “the greatest works”.
The composer of this music is unknown. The music is either based on, or was the source for, a devotional hymn “Orbis factor, rex aeternae eleison” (“Creator of the world, eternal king, have mercy”). The clip intersperses the song and the liturgical text.
Central to the worship of the Christian Church (then and now) is the Mass, a memorial of the last meal shared by Jesus and his disciples. Typically, five texts are set to special music. The first is the penitential “Kyrie eleison” (“Lord, have mercy), which is in Greek, compared to the Latin used for the other texts.
The performance in the clip is by Ensemble Organum, a group founded in 1982 by Marcel Pérès and based in France. This group specialises in chants that were in use before Gregorian chant (the variety of chant most widely used in the Western Church) developed, or that survived in alongside it.
Hildegard was a Geman abbess, polymath and composer. She is the first composer whose biographical details are known. She lived in convents from an early age, and became probably the most accomplished woman of her time. Founding and administering convents, writing theological, botanical, and medicinal texts, letters (to popes, emperors and saints), liturgical songs, poems and the first surviving morality play. Much of her music was written for religious ceremonial performance by the nuns of her convents. Her music is described as monophonic; that is, consisting of exactly one melodic line, designed for limited instrumental accompaniment and characterised by soaring soprano vocalisations.
Very little about Pérotin is known. He was probably French and active at the Cathedral of Notre Dame, Paris. He pioneered the styles of organum triplum and organum quadruplum (three and four-part polyphony). This work is in three-part polyphony. A prominent feature of his compositional style was to take a simple, well-known melody and stretch it out in time, so that each syllable was tens or even hundreds of seconds long, and then use each note of the melody (the tenor, Latin for “holder”, or cantus firmus, Latin for “firm song”) as the basis for rhythmically complex, interweaving lines above it. The result was that one or more vocal parts sang free, quickly moving lines (“discants”) over the chant below.
I can find no information about the words. I assume that is was sung immediately before the gospel reading during the Mass, and that the words have something to do with the birth of Jesus.
The performance is by the Hilliard Ensemble directed by Paull Hillier, the members of which appear in the clip.
Machaut was a French poet and composer. He held church and royal/noble court appointments in Flanders and France. His poetry was admired and imitated by Geoffrey Chaucer, among others. He composed in a wide range of styles and forms and his output was enormous. His most important work is the Messe de Nostre Dame, the earliest known complete setting of the Mass by a single composer. Unusually for a composer of church music of his times, the vast majority of his works are secular, almost always dealing with courtly love.
The words, which are another major text of Mass, begin “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God of Hosts”.
The performance in the clip is by the Ensemble Gilles Binchois.
Dufay was a Franco-Flemish priest, music theorist and composer. He travelled widely and held a number of church and royal/noble court appointments in Flanders, France and Italy. He was among the most influential composers of the 15th century, and his music was copied, distributed and sung everywhere that polyphony had taken root. Almost all composers of the succeeding generations absorbed some elements of his style. The wide distribution of his music is all the more impressive considering that he died several decades before the availability of music printing. He wrote in most of the common forms of the day.
The words are from a hymn of devotion to Mary and begin “Hail, star of the sea”.
Ockeghem was a Franco-Flemish singer, choirmaster, teacher and composer. He held a number of church and noble/royal court positions (not only musical but also administrative/diplomatic) in Flanders and France. His most important work is his Missa pro Defunctis which is the earliest surviving polyphonic Requiem mass. Being a renowned bass singer himself, his use of wide-ranging and rhythmically active bass lines sets him apart from many of the other composers of his time.
The words are “Thanks be to God”, said at the very end of the Mass, but not often set to music. This setting has 36 individual lines of music, divided into 4 choirs of 9 lines each. This is astonishingly complex music for the time.
The performance is by the Huelgas Ensemble directed by Paul van Nevel.
Josquin was a Franco-Flemish composer. Writers as diverse as Baldassare Castiglione and Martin Luther wrote about his reputation and fame. The newly-developed technology of printing made wide dissemination of his music possible. Despite his colossal reputation, we know very little about his life. He wrote in all the significant vocal forms of his time. He liked to solve compositional problems in different ways in different compositions. Sometimes he wrote in an austere style devoid of ornamentation, and at other times he wrote music requiring considerable virtuosity. He travelled widely and held various church and royal/noble court appointments.
This work does not set the biblical “Ave Maria” text, but rather a devotional poem to Mary.
Taverner was an English organist and composer, and is widely regarded as the most important English composer of the pre-reformation era. He was appointed by Cardinal Wolsey as the first organist and master of the choristers at Cardinal College, Oxford (later renamed Christ Church). He was reprimanded for (probably minor) involvement with Lutherans, but escaped punishment for being “but a musician”. Wolsey later fell from favour and Taverner left the college. His most important works are the Western Wynd Mass, based on a popular song by that name, and the Missa Gloria tibi Trinitas, based on a plainchant. The 20th century composer Sir John Tavener is a direct descendant.
The words, from the Mass, are “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God of Hosts”, which is the first part of the text used in item 4.
Tallis was an English organist and composer. His life spanned the English reformation. He held various church music positions, and was a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal under Henry VIII, Edward VI, Mary and Elizabeth I. Throughout his service to successive monarchs, Tallis avoided the religious controversies that raged around him. His best known works are the nine psalm chant tunes for four voices he wrote for Archbishop Parker’s Psalter in 1567, his settings of the Lamentations of Jeremiah the Prophet and Spem in alium written for eight five-voice choirs, possibly for Elizabeth’s 40th birthday in 1573. In 1575 Elizabeth Tallis and his younger contemporary William Byrd a patent to print and publish music, which was one of the first arrangements of that type in the country.
The text is a paraphrase of Acts 2 and begins “The apostles began to speak in other tongues (or languages)”. Tallis’s music is interspersed with plainchant, and the plainchant is also hidden deep within the polyphonic sections.
Three for the price of one. The best clip of this work has another, unrelated, piece before it. Loquebantur starts at 2.29. At 6.05 is Tallis’s best-known shorter work (in English) “If ye love me”. The performers are the Tallis Scholars directed by Peter Philips.
Palestrina was an Italian composer. His work can be seen as a summation of Renaissance polyphony. He held a number of church positions in and around Rome. He wrote sacred music almost exclusively. His masses and motets are in the repertoire of every choir of this type.
The Missa Papae Marcelli (Mass for Pope Marcellus) was supposedly written to persuade the Council of Trent that a ban on polyphonic treatment of text in sacred music was unnecessary. More recent scholarship has shown that this mass was composed before the cardinals convened to discuss the ban (possibly as much as ten years before). It is probable, however, that Palestrina was quite conscious of the needs of intelligible text in conformity with the doctrine of the Counter-Reformation, and wrote his works towards this end from the 1560s until the end of his life.
The words make up the last major text of the Mass, and begin “Lamb of God, that takes away the sins of the world, have mercy on us”.
Parsons was an English composer, about whom little is known. He was an assistant to the Master of the Children Choristers of the Chapel Royal, then a Gentleman of the chapel. He composed a small number of sacred and secular vocal compositions, of which this is by far the most well-known. He is believed to have died in January 1572 when he fell into the then swollen River Trent and drowned.
The words are from Luke 1.28, 42 and begin “Hail, Mary, full of grace”.
The performance is by the Cambridge Singers directed by John Rutter.
Byrd was an English composer. He held a number of church appointments, particularly as a Gentleman of the Chapel Royal. In 1572 he and Thomas Tallis were granted a joint printing licence from Queen Elizabeth. Despite his Roman Catholic sympathies, he worked in the court of the Elizabeth I. With equal skill he composed music in Latin for the Roman liturgy (possibly the finest by any English composer) and in English for the Anglican liturgy. He also wrote secular songs, madrigals and keyboard pieces.
Sing joyfully is a motet in English. The words are from Psalm 81 and begin “Sing joyfully unto God our strength”. This work shows that, in contrast to the simplicity of Tallis’s If ye love me (No 9), settings in English could be and often were quite complex.
The performance in the clip is by the choir of Winchester Cathedral, probably directed by David Hill.
Victoria was a Spanish priest and composer. He held church and court positions in Spain and Italy. His standing is often compared to Palestrina. Many commentators hear in Victoria’s music a mystical intensity and direct emotional appeal, qualities considered by some to be lacking in the arguably more rhythmically and harmonically placid music of Palestrina. His melodic writing and use of dissonance is more free than that of Palestrina.
Tenebrae is a series of three devotional services held late in the evenings of the Wednesday, Thursday and Friday of Holy Week. A special feature is the use of a row of candles, which are extinguished one by one after each item, ending the service in darkness. The words are from Luke 23 and begin “Darkness covered the land”.
The performance in the clip is by the English choir The Sixteen, directed by Harry Christophers.
Giovanni Gabrieli was an Italian organist and composer. His major appointment was as principal organist and composer at St Mark’s Basilica, Venice. Like composers before and after him, he used the unusual layout of the St Mark’s, with its two choir lofts facing each other, to create striking spatial effects. Most of his pieces are written so that a choir or instrumental group will first be heard from the left, followed by a response from the musicians to the right. Gabrieli perfected this technique in works such as In Ecclesiis, a showcase of polychoral techniques, making use of four separate groups of instrumentalists and singers.
The words are from Ps 47 and begin “Clap your hands, all the earth”.
The performance in the clip is by the Gabrieli Consort and Players, directed by Paul McCreesh.
Monteverdi was an Italian singer, viola da gambist, composer and, late in his life, priest. His life and musical output spans the end of the Renaissance and the beginning of the Baroque period of musical history. He held positions in Mantua and Venice. He wrote madrigals, church music and operas. His opera L’Orfeo (Orpheus) is probably the earliest opera still regularly performed.
Vespers was a daily service held in the late afternoon. It featured five psalms, motets or instrumental pieces and the Magnificat (Luke 1). Monteverdi’s setting is on a monumental scale, and there has been some controversy as to whether all the movements were intended to be performed in a single service. The service opens with verses from Ps 70 “O God, come to my assistance”. Monteverdi re-uses music he had composed for “L’Orfeo”.
The information attached the youtube clip specifically mentions the conductor Gabriel Garrido, but the rest of the information is confusing. He is most closely associated with the Ensemble Elyma. His recording of this work includes that ensemble, plus the Studio di Musica Antica Antonio il Verso, Coro polifónico GP da Palestrina and Les Rossignols de Poznan, so they may be the performers on the clip.
Tomkins was a Welsh composer who lived most of his life in England. He held appointments at Worcester Cathedral and the Chapel Royal. He wrote madrigals, keyboard music, consort music, anthems, and liturgical music. Stylistically he was extremely conservative, even anachronistic: he seems to have completely ignored the rising Baroque practice around him, with its Italian-inspired idioms, and he also avoided writing in most of the popular forms of the time, such as the lute song, or ayre. His polyphonic language was that of the Renaissance.
The text is from 2 Samuel 18 and tells of the grief of King David after the death of his favourite son Absalom, who had rebelled against him. (Warning: the compiler of the clip switches from biblical imagery to modern-day photos of parental grief, which may be disturbing.)
(How to start an argument between two singers of early choral music: Ask “Which is better – Tomkins or Weelkes?” I say Weelkes, but couldn’t find a clip of that on youtube.)
Purcell was an English keyboardist and composer. He became organist at Westminster Abbey at the age of 22 when one of his teachers, John Blow, stood aside from that position in his favour. (Blow took over again after Purcell’s early death). Later, he also held the position of organist of the Chapel Royal. He wrote music for both the church and the theatre. Famous works include “Dido and Aeneas”, one of the first operas in English, “I was glad” and “My heart is inditing”, written for the coronation of King James II, and the funeral music for Queen Mary, which was also performed at his own funeral soon after. This work was written around 1680 and is believed to be the first section of a longer complete work. It is, in my humble opinion, the most perfect 2 minutes of music ever written.
The words are from Psalm 102 verse 1.
The performance is by the Choir of Clare College Cambridge directed by Timothy Brown. Unlike the better-known English cathedral and college choirs, this one uses (young) adult women for the soprano and alto lines.
Vivaldi was a Italian priest, virtuoso violinist, teacher and composer. His major musical appointment was at the Pio Ospedale della Pietà, one of four orphanages in Venice financed by the Venetian government. Boys learned a trade and had to leave at age 15, while girls received a musical education and the most talented stayed and became members of the Ospedale’s renowned orchestra and choir. Vivaldi wrote most of his concertos, cantatas, and sacred music for them. He also had considerable success as an opera impresario and composer. His most famous work is the set of four violin concertos, the Four Seasons.
The Gloria is a text from the Mass, and begins “Glory to God in the highest, and peace to his people on earth”. It is usually set to music along with the four other principal texts of the Mass, but sometimes as a stand-alone peice. Vivaldi’s famous setting of the text sets every sentence as a separate movement. The famous opening movement “Glory to God in the highest” is followed by the supremely beautiful “and peace to his people on earth”.
The performance in the clip is by the Kaohsiung Chamber Choir and an un-named orchestra from southern Taiwan. I chose this performance to show just how far this music has travelled. (The soloists sitting at the front sing in other movements.)
Bach was a German organist, composer and teacher. He held church and court positions in Germany. Although he did not travel far, he was aware of musical developments elsewhere. His output is astonishing in its quanity and quality: the Well-Tempered Clavier, the Goldberg Variations and suites and partitas for harpsicord; several hundred works for organ; sonatas and partitas for solo violin; suites for cello; the Brandenburg concertos and suites for orchestra; the Mass in B Minor, the St Matthew Passion, the St John Passion and several hundred other works for choir. Despite this, his music was not widely known, and was considered “old-fashioned” by those who did know of it, especially late in his career when the musical fashion tended towards rococo and classical styles. A revival of interest in and performances of his music began early in the 19th century, and he is now widely considered to be one of the greatest composers in the Western tradition.
What work to pick to represent Bach? I chose this for sentimental reasons: it was part of the first choral/orchestral concert I ever sang in. A cantata is a musical meditation on the bible readings for the day, using arias and choruses, very often incorporating a hymn appropriate to the theme. This cantata “Sleepers, wake! a voice is calling” meditates on Matthew 25. The opening chorus has the sopranos singing the unadorned hymn tune, with the other choir parts and orchestra providing the contrapuntal underlay.
The performance in the clip is by the Amsterdam Baroque Orchestra and Choir directed by Ton Koopman. Watch for the instruments reproducing those used in Bach’s time. (Possibly some of them are from Bach’s time.)
Handel was a German-born, naturalised English keyboardist and composer. He benefited from patronage by royals and nobles, but held no formal court (or church) appointments. He made his living as a concert performer and entrepreneur of firstly opera, then oratorio. His most famous works are the oratorio Messiah, and the orchestral works Water Music and Music for the Royal Fireworks.
An oratorio is a extended work that tells a biblical or historical story through recitatives, arias and choruses. They originally developed as extra devotions for churchgoers, but became generally popular (and lucrative) when opera theatres were forced to close during the penitential season of Lent (approx Feb-Mar), but were allowed to present religiously-themed oratorios. Messiah tells the story of Jesus in words from the King James Version English translation of the Bible.
The performance in the clip is by a number of student and amateur choirs and orchestras from France and Germany, directed by Daniel Colombat. I chose this performance for its sheer exhuberance and to show that this music is not the exclusive preserve of specialist groups. This has got everything: electronic keyboards, bass clarinets, choristers sharing scores and trumpeters fluffing notes.
Notable omissions: so many! This barely scratches the surface.
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5:45 am and I’m #1!
Oh well, I guess even nerds deserve a list every now and then. Keep up the good work Astraya.
So much culture…… head hurts….. must sleep….
I got through 1-11.
1 and 2 are my favorites so far.
I love that you can follow with the music in #11.
I’ll take a look at the rest in a little while, promise.
Ah…I spent many a sleepless night trying to scratch the surface of the Pope Marcellus Mass. It almost makes me miss the magic of college and the new composers and works that are thrown at us from every angle.
If you do create a list for music after 1750, I hope you look into Gorecki’s Symphony No. 3 if you have not heard it yet.
Great choral works and evil men. Does this site cover it all, or what?!
downhighway61: the same youtube user who created no 11 has created similar clips for some of the other items in this list. I deliberately didn’t choose the ones showing the musical scores. I thought most users would prefer musicians actually performing, art work or architecture. If you type “youtube – composer name – work name” into a search engine, you should be able to find the user who posted no 11. From there you should be able to link to others.
jfrater – have you done much choral singing, or solo work with choirs?
PS I have started a “classical music” forum at http://listverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1305 I’m working on a pretty broad definition of “classical”.
7 comments, 2 from the author, 3 from people not interested in the subject (including mine).
Mmm sorry, not the most amusing list.
Hey but I´m number 7! :b
I know this sounds silly, but i found listening to some of the first ones quite odd… as i i was listening to the voices of people nealy a thousand years ago!
astraya: I have done no choral work – I have been contracted as a solo performer to sing in oratorios but never as part of the choir. I do love choral music to listen to though and this list has helped me to find a few composers I didn’t know – so thatnks for that!
astraya – great list; many thanks!
“Oh well, I guess even nerds deserve a list every now and then. Keep up the good work Astraya.”
Why not something nerdish indeed? After all, there have been enough *turdish* lists lately, yes? Haha.
As a proud, self-confessed nerd of this thread, if that’s the way folks want to define me, great stuff, astraya, and thanks. It will inspire me to blow dust off a few CDs as accompaniments for my ongoing typing.
How you picked a JSB, I’ve no idea. Line them all up and blindly stab a pin would be my method. Output: roughly one cantata per week at times. Mind blowing, even allowing for partial cannibalisation of previous works. I’ve often wondered what the congregations and ecclesiastical performers of the time made of them. Did they fall asleep in church like the Simpsons? Or was there an intimation of the greatness we now find radiating from them? Something like being in at the birth of a great rock group and knowing. Vivaldi could churn stuff out at a fair old lick for those young ladies too.
Beware of the trendy John Tavener (b. 1944) in lieu of the immortal John Taverner (ca 1495-1546)!!!
We also owe Tallis a lateral debt for inspiring and providing for the magnificent Vaughan Williams ‘Fantasia on a theme of Thomas Tallis’.
astraya, Thanks for putting together this list. Really good job. I agree with # 8. Poppy. If you just close your eyes you can here pretty much the same sound people did over 300 years ago. (Like going back in time)
I realise that this is a somewhat specialist topic, but currently it’s attracted fewer comments than the history of Palestine! (http://listverse.com/history/the-10-ages-of-palestine/)
MT – you’d be surprised how many choral singers *aren’t* nerdish when they’re not singing choral music. Unlike, say, trekkies, most choral singers have something roughly approaching a real life.
FifthSonata – my main reaction to the Pope Marcellus Mass is terror! The tenor parts are pitched excruciatingly high, and sit there the entire time. I’m toying with a list post-1750, but if I do, Gorecki’s symphony won’t be on it: it has a soprano solist only, so is not a “choral” work. I’ll agree that it’s stunningly beautiful, though.
Poppy and Blogball – one of the reasons I love this music is precisely the connection over the centuries.
Anon – I was expecting you. I didn’t know until I researched this list that Tavener was a direct descendant of Taverner (despite the spelling). Did Vivaldi have the best job, or what? Pity he was an ordained priest! For reasons of space and weight, I brought very few CDs to Korea. I loaded individual tracks onto my computer, but I exhausted them long ago. I found itunes store but my wife told me I was spending too much time and money there.
astraya I do think that the low incidence of comments is related to the 5 hours of partial downtime this morning. It is a great list IMHO.
astraya, I love this list. And Jamie is right – the site downtime has reduced the commenting, not the list content. I’m so glad you included Giovanni Gabrieli – his experimentation with vocal chromaticism helped foster equal temperament (the division of the octave into 12 equal half steps) over the unreliable natural tuning.
Astraya, thank you so much for this list. It is a very beautiful selection of choral works. I always feel that choral music is the closest one can get to heaven’s music.
great list, i love this kind of music.
be glad, because sooner or later someone’s going to come along with a comment like, ‘waaaaa, waaa, why are all of these items so RELIGIOUS? CHRISTIAN, even?! How biased…’
Astraya,
You left out what was perhaps the most delightful pre-1750 choral masterpiece: “Shake Ya Tailfeather” by Puff Daddymus. A sterling example of the early post-gangsta movement. Otherwise, a fantastic list.
Logar
nice list
Cool list. I couldn’t get on the site earlier to offer encouraging commentary.
I tried to listen at work but I had to wait until I got home. Maybe I shouldn’t play on the computer at work!
I thought the music was beautiful. I have never been able to sing well and am envious of people who can. It’s a gift. Kudos for bringing some beauty into my life. Thank you.
logar: “Sicut una virgo” by Madonna was also highly popular!
What about “Sumer is icumin in”?
and the other part of “Gloria” by Vivaldi?
The standard ‘Botanical Latin’ runs very thin on verbs (we hardly use ‘em), so please overlook or correct the gash cod translation (sounds quite impressive though!), but otherwise:
“Amor es solo quod necessetatis”
(Quatuor Coleopterae)
Surely a great classic?
Tsiamon and astraya,
“be glad, because sooner or later someone’s going to come along with a comment like, ‘waaaaa, waaa, why are all of these items so RELIGIOUS? CHRISTIAN, even?! How biased…’”
On the contrary, another great artistic and spiritual debt we humble atheists are all too delighted to acknowledge, along with the rest of humanity.
astraya,
I guess the great secular choral works date from after 1750, although there are still magnificent religious ones a-plenty of course, and *halfway houses* such as Brahms’s ‘Ein deutsches Requiem’.
If you decide to do that list (looking to the quality of comments, not quantity – hahaha!), may I put in a plea for the absolutely lovely ‘Springtime in Funen’ by Nielsen, the first CD I ever bought. Also Martinu’s ‘The Epic of Gilgamesh’.
Well that’s bumped up your comments by one more.
Friends, this selections are a complete Masterpiece. it’s very beautiful & soul uplifting. keep on the good work. goodluck to u all!
Great news! We’ve out-commented the history of Palestine.
greg – I decided that one secular work would stick out like a sore thumb in the middle of a list of sacred works. I limited myself to one work per composer. I chose the less well-known second movement instead of the well-known first movement because I think it’s one of the most beautiful movements ever written.
Anon: I think Tsaimon is worried about the non-humble athiests.
I LOVE this list!
Even though I’m only familiar with a few of them, I found myself humming along to some of the others though I have never known the composers!
I too used to sing in a choir and have (at some point) sung all of the 4 parts of 4 part harmonies (Sporano, Alto, Tenor, Bass) – just the reverb from the Cathedral we used to sing in was enough to send shivers down your spine!
astraya, thanks for making my day and bringing back some fond memories.
Great list! I mostly listen to alternative rock but have always had a weakness for Bach. After thoroughly enjoying the beautiful music here, I now realize I will have to spend a considerable amount of money expanding the classical part of my CD collection.
Worst list…. ever. Jamie, looks like you need another goodie… its coming.
Hey Anon!
I was wondering myself why there’s no one *****ing and moaning about the evil, hateful, uneducated RELIGIOUS music that has probably caused all pain in war in the world!
lol
astraya,
Ah,like I worry about the non-humble believers!!!!
Did I detect a turd among the nerds?
Your choices do not surprise me, astraya. Imagine that! Some folks know you too well. Will need a few wet weekends to enjoy all the list. Well done.
Randall described my movie list as the worst ever. Now some Wally is describing this one. At least I’m consistent! At least Randall provided reasons for his opinion.
I have only just deciphered your botanical Latin. That’s a better attempt than I would have been able to make. My Latin is really rusty.
Years ago I attended a church music summer school at which the guest director gave an after-dinner speech about the history of a song which started life as a plainchant called “Maria parvum agnem habui” and transmographied through the ages, illustrated with musical excerpts in the style of various composers.
astraya,
Might have started off in Bethlehem as Agnus Dei, maybe?
Always look on the bright side. Post 31 bumped up your total by one! It’s an ill-wind … no matter whose backside generates it!!!
Esterino (and others, who’s mostly positive reception has allowed me to come forth and de-mask): Thank you so much! I really had a blast putting this list together and have such tremendous gratitude for Atraya in taking over the reins in polite fashion for the sake of all! Thanks buddy!
Yah see, I’ve never been too much of anything around these parts (being a mere lap dog, mixed with tainted beast) and my “MAD STYLINS” would just go over heads, but I thought “none-the-less”, that I would “show ‘em all” with a truely insightfull overview and good measured taste of the choral angelicas ” grand “audiboratory world” —Allll the way back to Pre-1750!
Can you believe it?
That’s right kids!, the 21st century is “grrooovvie” and all , so go ahead and tout and say those over there are “so pre 9/11″.
But, “Pre-1750″?
Yous all gots nuthin on this baby!
Nuuutthhhinnn!
Allrite (fun’s over) I would go on, but I’m not being paid for my time.
Thanks Astraya. This is the kind of list that I’ll come back to because there’s a longevity with it’s source and I know I will be following up on it directly. It’s like seasoning over time.
This isn’t a false, “I’ll buy you a drink sometime”
It’s for real
“habuiT”. I told you my Latin was rusty.
diogenes: What are you on????
39.-Not much man, not much.
Although, I’m not your ordinary sedan, by any means.
“Premit altum corde doloreum”
It’s “dolorem” diogenes.
And probably “agnem parvum”, too. (Noun, adjective.)
Dies Irae?
Dawn Bearer: That was my alternative choice for item No 1.
This list is AWESOME.
astraya – Terror to the Marcellus Mass?! You made me laugh with that one – I share the terror, but from a music history student standpoint…I’m still kicking myself for not getting dual certification in band and choir.
Might I suggest a list of B.C. music – the Epitaph of Seikilos, Stasimon Chorus…?
Loved this list. Remember buying Vivaldi’s Gloria and listening to it all the way through for the first time. Truly special.
Wally, look! A red car! (That’ll keep him busy.)
Ray Bees (47) That was funny. I laughed twice. And then again. Out loud.
FifthSonata: You seem to know two things more about BC music than I do. How about you write that list?
Ray Bees: I remember hearing the Vivaldi Gloria for the first time and being completely baffled by it being broken up into separate movements (sometimes arbitrarily). Familiarity and historical context have overcome that.
I once sang Haydn’s Nelson Mass for a church service at a church music summer school. That has three distinct movements. We sang the first movement, the minister read the opening prayer (in error!), then we sang the second and third movements.
astraya,
I’d have wanted to do that glorious first movement over again! That’s what happens if someone interrupts my concentration when I’m listening to a CD.
Hey, I just clocked up your 50th comment. How about that!
I spent some of last night browsing around youtube for clips to use on a possible “post-1750″ list. I can’t find some of the works on my preliminary list. I might have to make a list of “Great choral works from after 1750 for which I can find clips on youtube”. (Actually, I had to leave one of my favourite works out of this list because I couldn’t find a clip.)
astraya, (52),
I’m toying with the idea of a similar musical list and was worrying about that selfsame problem. My thought (and suggestion) is to at least name any that cannot be included for want of an illustration.
Apropos. So what were you obliged to leave out?
Jan Dismas Zelenka, “Missa dei Filii”?
Anon: I don’t know that work. I know very little about Zelenka at all. Obiviously my musical education was in alphabetical order: lots of Bach, Beethoven and Brahms, medium amount of Mahler and Mozart, no Zelenka. (Vivalida and Wagner spoil that theory!)
I stopped my list when I got to 20. The one that I left out purely because I couldn’t find a clip was Weelkes’s “When David heard”. I deliberately didn’t include Allegri’s Miserere, mainly because, in its well-known form, it’s a 20th century (mis)reconstruction. I regretfully omitted Pergolesi’s Stabat Mater, now thought to be for 2 soloists. Others on my “thought of them too late” list were Lotti’s Crucifixus, something by Schutz, something by Gibbons, something Spanish. (Both choirs I sang in in Australia sang a lot of Spanish music. There is also a great amount of Latin American music from this era I have never experienced.) Lesser know contemporaries of Schutz were Schein and Scheidt but I think there’s too much “*****e” music in the world already, though Scheidt’s isn’t. There’s a serious of very bad puns there. I said “It’s been a long time since I’ve done any Scheidt. In fact, I don’t think I’ve ever done Scheidt.” One of my fellow choristers discovered that there was a Scheidt School of Music somewhere in the USA, which I suppose is better than a school of *****e music. There’s a Stabat Mater by Domenico Scarlatti and a work by Andrea Gabrieli (not sure but I think it’s O sacrum convivium).
I could get this list to 30 easily. I don’t know if I could find clips for them all, though.
PS You don’t have to find clips for everything. You can always say “There’s this wonderful piece of music called (title) by (composer), but I can’t find a clip for it”!
astraya (your 56 first),
Yes, that’s exactly what I had in mind.
I think one might imagine Sir Thomas (Beecham) to have rounded on a choir during an off moment with, “Might we have that Scheidt again, but this time in a little less constipated fashion if you please, ladies and gentlemen?”
You mean you might stop easily at 30 entries???? To get you to Spain and along the alphabet, try Victoria.
I pulled Zelenka out of the hat in the hope of introducing him to yet another satisfied customer. In fact the purely instrumental works are the ones to go for. Splendid stuff.
If Telemann (a couch potato?) is arguably the big neglected man of the baroque, Zelenka is surely the forgotten one, although sadly, he left us all too little.
Composers beginning with Z are real oneupmanship. Zemlinsky is fairly well known, particularly for the quartets, and I know a Zmeskal, but that’s it for me. But curiously, although A is somewhat better represented, it’s not all that well.
Its past, well past, beddy byes. So off for a quick bit of baroque REM, maybe, to mix topics.
Astraya : I don’tknow much about classic music and choral works, but I know Dies Irae is important.
astraya,
To avoid giving the impression of a know-all (too late?), I should point out that what I’ve picked up is totally genre- rather than alphabet-based! To begin with I never *heard* the words of any music when I was a kid (bar hymns read out of books, etc.), even pop, no matter how much I liked the tune. Whether this is some kind of innate blind spot, or whether I liked the actual music so much I had no concentration left for words, I can’t say. Anyway, I always ended up humming or whistling the music and either repeating over and over the first few words, or making up the rest as a sort of nonsense scat.
Consequently, I’ve always tended towards pure instrumental stuff. Whatever is choral and solo voice followed rather later into the collection, and opera is distinctly more Anita’s realm. It’s just that there isn’t time either. Life’s too short, however long art. So my non-obligatory interest started with minor fringe classics, went on to the core symphonic output, branched into chamber and harmoniemusik works and specialised there, trying to add bits of the best of all the rest (for me) from all the ages along the way. In other words like a stamp collection which has its recondite speciality, but also a broad general selection.
So my sophisticated philosophy is: Ee, lad, I know what I like and I like what I know, and that’s it.
Dawn Bearer: Astraya: … I know Dies Irae is important.
I’m not saying that it isn’t. In fact I fully agree with you that it is. My list is “great” choral works, not “important” ones.
Anon: After a brief wander down memory lane and a browse through the composer list on the choral public domain library, I further thought of:
Greene: Let me know mine end
Sweelinck: Hodie Christus natus est
Fayrfax: Agnus Dei
Hammerschmidt: O rejoice, ye Christians, loudly [I sang it in English translation. I know that the German original has a slightly less gigglesome word.]
Blow: Salvator mundi
Lassus: Timor et tremor
There’s also Biber, Gesualdo, Lully, Delalande and a Polish composer whose name I can’t remember.
What’s that – going on 40 or 50 by now.
I have some compilation CDs of 1970s pop music. Sometimes when I’m listening, a word or phrase that I never knew when I was an adolescent pops out at me and I think “oh my goodness, is that what it says”. Or there’s a website with lyrics and/or explanations. A musical setting of a text, be it pop song, lied or choral work, has a musical meaning independent of its text.