The US presidential elections are mere weeks away and everyone is abuzz with election fever. So now, as the States prepares to elect their latest president, it seems a good time to look at some previous hopefuls – hopefuls that you will be damned glad never won the race! So, here are the 5 worst presidential candidates who (thankfully) lost. If you can think of others you would add to the list, be sure to tell us in the comments.
At the Democratic National Convention of 1948, delegates officially adopted a pro-civil rights platform for the first time, which was quickly embraced by President Harry Truman. Some Democrats, however, did not like this at all, and the delegations from a number of Southern states marched out of the convention to have their own. This breakaway party called themselves the “States’ Rights Democrats” or the “Dixiecrats,” and they nominated then-Governor Strom Thurmond of South Carolina for the presidency. Running under the slogan, “Segregation Forever,” Thurmond hoped to keep the federal government from ever interfering with the Jim Crow laws that his party valued so much. Even though their message did not play well throughout most of the United States, the Dixiecrats managed to win the electoral votes of Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and South Carolina. Thurmond’s third-place finish might seem impressive by today’s standards, but in reality his loss allowed Democrats to reject segregationists and to support the Civil Rights Movement – which two decades later finally succeeded.
Strom Thurmond wasn’t the only Democrat who felt betrayed by the party platform in 1948. Henry Wallace was the former Vice-President who had served under Franklin Roosevelt, but was replaced by Harry Truman in the Election of 1944. Wallace’s main beef with the party, however, had nothing to do with segregation (which he opposed), and everything to do with the Soviet Union (which he supported). In his first term as president, Harry Truman called for an aggressive stance against Communism and, in particular, the Soviet Union under Josef Stalin. Former Vice-President Wallace, however, did not like this part of the Democratic platform. So in response, he decided to run for the presidency as the Progressive Party candidate – which had a platform emphasizing trust in Stalin and giving American Communists a voice in government. In fact, Wallace’s Soviet-friendly stances were extreme enough that even many socialists refused to support him. On election day, the Progressive Party failed to win a single state or electoral vote, which further pushed American Communists into obscurity. Wallace retired from politics after his loss, and in time grew to regret his opposition to the policies of Harry Truman and the Democratic Party.
In 1872, Horace Greeley was a newspaper publisher and former one-term congressman from New York. He had also been an ardent abolitionist and a founding-father of the Republican Party. But after the Civil War, he grew to despise the presidency of Republican Ulysses S. Grant – who favored the continuation of Southern Reconstruction. Greeley thought that the South had been punished hard enough, and called for a withdrawal of Union forces from the former Confederacy. When Grant was up for re-election in 1872, Greeley ran for, and subsequently won, the nomination of the “Liberal Republican Party”. Surprisingly, the Democratic Party loved his platform of ending Reconstruction so much that they decided to nominate him too. The American people, however, were not quite as enthusiastic about Greeley, and on election day he suffered an embarrassing loss to Grant, only winning a handful of former slave states. But even if he had won, Greeley would have never made it to the presidency, since a month after the election he went crazy and died a few days later.
Despite having dominated politics throughout the 1850s, the Democratic Party of 1860 was in serious trouble. Over the issue of slavery, the Party was split in two. One faction, the “Northern Democrats” under Senator Stephen Douglas of Illinois, was more moderate and supported the rights of people in their own jurisdictions to decide whether slavery should be legal or not. The other group that emerged was the “Southern Democrats,” which supported government protection of slavery as a property right. They nominated incumbent Vice-President John C. Breckenridge, a politician from Kentucky, for the presidency. Running on his hard-line pro-slavery platform, he became the favorite candidate of the American South. But the splitting of the Democratic Party allowed for another candidate – former Congressman Abraham Lincoln of Illinois – to dominate in the North, which was at the time the most populous and held the most electoral votes. Lincoln thus managed to win the presidency against both Democrats, as well as third-party candidate John Bell. After Breckenridge lost the election, the Civil War began and he soon joined the Confederacy.
The Presidential election of 1800 may be one of the most bizarre in American history. Incumbent President John Adams, a Federalist, was running for re-election. His challenger happened to be his own vice-president, Thomas Jefferson, who represented the Democratic-Republican Party. Adams was unpopular and indeed handily lost the election to Jefferson. But in those days the Constitution still had a few kinks in it, and one of those kinks was the rule that each presidential elector must vote twice, for two different individuals, and the runner-up would become vice-president. So Jefferson’s 73 electors each cast one vote for him, and one vote for his vice-presidential candidate Aaron Burr. This resulted in an electoral tie between Jefferson and Burr, and as a result the Federalist-controlled House of Representatives had to choose between the two men. Jefferson was not popular with the federalists, and they attempted to elect Burr. For a while there was no consensus, with Jefferson a few votes short of being elected. But eventually, former Secretary of the Treasury, Federalist Alexander Hamilton gave his support to Jefferson, thus handing him the presidency, while the Vice-Presidency went to Burr. Mr. Burr apparently didn’t like this very much. A few years later he challenged Hamilton to a duel, which he won handily by killing him. But this is not the scariest aspect of Aaron Burr. After killing the popular Hamilton, he was widely despised throughout the United States. So what did Aaron Burr do? He devised a conspiracy against United States which involved aiding Britain in regaining some of it’s former territories lost in the Revolutionary War. Additionally, he hoped to acquire the land west of the Mississippi to form his own personal empire, which he would use to antagonize the United States. Unfortunately for him, and luckily for the existence of America, Burr was caught and charged with treason. Even though he was acquitted, Burr was hated more than ever and spent the majority of his remaining life in exile. Makes you kind of glad that this man didn’t become president, doesn’t it?
Calhoun is best remembered as a vice-president, but in the early stages of the 1824 election, he was a candidate for the presidency – thereby earning himself a bonus place on this list! Calhoun served as vice-president under two presidents and undermined both of them. Calhoun led the pro-slavery faction in the Senate in the 1830s and 1840s, opposing both abolitionism and attempts to limit the expansion of slavery into the western territories. He was also a major advocate of the Fugitive Slave Law, which enforced the co-operation of free states in returning escaping slaves. Furthermore, Calhoun felt that having a separate, distinct Indian culture within the borders of the United States would create problems in such areas as land usage, interracial relationships, and trade. His beliefs that Indians were inferior steered Calhoun to support a policy of the removal of the Indians in the eastern United States. Many of Calhoun’s policy ideas were implemented during his tenure as Secretary of War and Vice-President. He believed that government interference in the lives of Indians was essential because the Indians were too ignorant and uncivilized to be allowed to make their own decisions and live as they chose. During the Civil War, the Confederate government honored Calhoun on a one-cent postage stamp, which was printed but never officially released.
This article is licensed under the GFDL because it contains quotations from Wikipedia in the bonus item.
Contributor: TonyR




















October 16th, 2008 at 2:20 am
Love this site!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:21 am
Ahh, had me thinking we were going to be down for a few days or something, with no new list:) Not complaining though…:)
October 16th, 2008 at 2:29 am
Oh, nevermind, completely different time zone. I looked at the dates and times, and thought we’d been without lists for two days for some reason (although I remember each list going up. I’m an idiot, I apologize).
As far as candidates who lost, I’d have to say Paris Hilton:) I know it doesn’t follow your recipe for this list, exactly, but she tried, right? Haha
October 16th, 2008 at 2:33 am
Being in London…I don’t follow the election progress, just what I read from the news. Although I have heard about Paris Hilton lol
October 16th, 2008 at 2:35 am
As much as I would have enjoyed seeing Paris Hilton in the presidential debates, I think she is too young to run
Perhaps that is a good thing.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:38 am
Who will be next after this election
October 16th, 2008 at 2:38 am
I wonder what would happen if she did go for it…haha
October 16th, 2008 at 2:46 am
I’m rather surprised that George Wallace didn’t make the list.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:07 am
what about bush…he lost……
October 16th, 2008 at 3:42 am
I look forward on Nov 5th to add McCain to this list.
There that ought to make half the people mad, and the other half happy.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:43 am
Nice list! But why only six? Does it means that majority of the worst presidential candidates actually won? I think so.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:56 am
Haha nur, that would explain most things.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:01 am
Haha, the head on Calhoun! He looks like he could have been in an old horror movie.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:04 am
I hope McCain can be added to this list soon.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:06 am
what? No Ross Peroe?
rtr
October 16th, 2008 at 4:32 am
I don’t remember learning any of this in school! I do remember about the President/Vice President and in the early days they were usually opposing parties. That must have made for an interesting time in the Government. Its bad enough now (and I am a US Federal Government employee!) with only one party in power.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:54 am
The last guy looks mean, reminds me of the guy in the movie “house of spirits”
October 16th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Another great list, although I detect a distinct anti-Southern bias…
October 16th, 2008 at 5:33 am
@TonyR
You know… just before i saw this list, i was on wikipedia reading about Calhoun…
October 16th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Henry Wallace was praised, believe it or not, by the Nazis, who ran an article in their journal Spotlight that appeared in Axis countries, that said that “we” meaning the US might double cross Russia if we won the war. This was after he was dumped as Vice President in 1944. The real reason Wallace was dumped is not generally known. Wallace was married to the wife of the Swiss Ambassador to the United States. He told the Swiss Ambassador everything the US was doing, and this was then relayed to the Swiss government, and a Nazi Spy in the Swiss foreign ministry than told the Germans.
The US found out about this from a double agent, who gave information to Allen Dulles in Geneva. Wallace then became a person who could not be trusted, and Roosevelt acquiesced in his dumping. Wallace betrayed the trust of the American government. He could have done the same and given classified information to Stalin.
Wallace realised too late that Stalin was not the good man he portrayed him as when the USSR was a wartime ally.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:12 am
Well, since the lefty trolls have already injected the current election into this list, I will state that I am looking forward to Obama rightly claiming the No. 1 position on this list in November. And I might add that Dukakis and Kerry are strong contenders as well.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:18 am
it’ll be a beautiful day when we get to see the community organizer go down in flames. that piece of crap doesn’t deserve to be a team leader at mcdonalds.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:25 am
Great list!
I am amazed that I never heard the background on Burr while in school. Well, it was a public school, so I guess I should be too surprised. I had heard that Hamilton was killed by a man named Aaron Burr. However, I was never informed of the fact that Burr previously ran for President (and his loss may have instigated the duel), nor that he later was charged with treason for Evil and/or Crazy plans to detroy America outright.
As for those that (possibly prematurely) added McCain to the list, it continues to amaze me how little perspective you have. You may not agree with what he believes, but can’t you think about anyone else? How can you say that someone who has not had to stand the test of time qualifies just because his name has an “R” after it on a ballot? By this logic, couldn’t you put every Republican that ever lost on the list?
October 16th, 2008 at 6:32 am
*MUCH* too short a list, Tony, but you did extremely well, with what what you had.
I would have added Ross Perot (thanks for the reminder rtr), and Ralph Nader to the list of modern day errors, and would have a host of old names…but you did preface the list with the modifier “Worst” so that does, indeed, narrow the field.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:45 am
I don’t want to add McCain just cause he has an R after his name, I want to add him because if he’s elected we’ll continue along the road to our downfall that Bush has started us on. If Reagen had lost I wouldn’t ask for his name on the list, cause he was a good candidate. I don’t think Kerry should be added, but Dukakis, eh, maybe. Wasn’t a fan of his.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:46 am
The McCain comments are not needed. I am not voting for the man, but I still respect him and his service to the country.
It’s hard to do this list without making it all anti-South. Ninety years of slavery followed by about a century of Civil Rights issues is awfully hard to top.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:47 am
I want to challange someone to a duel. Not with guns, that takes all the fun away. But a duel nonetheless
October 16th, 2008 at 6:55 am
onwisconsn,
I agree, I don’t know how to label it but I don’t get the people who actually believe somehow we are presently experiencing the worst of everything just because things aren’t great right now. Ignorance? Arrogance? If Mccain loses he won’t ever be considered among the worst presidential candidate by most people. Same for Obama, neither really have radical, wildly unpopular views. It’s stupid it. Also I’ve see other lists where people insist that Bush is the worst president ever. Obviously he really screwed things up but to say that just shows how little people know about history. I’m hoping people are just saying things like that to get a reaction, in which case I’m enabling but if you actually believe that then I suggest you read a history book…..or a least some more listverse.
So I really appreciate lists like this. It really reminds us that even though things are bad, our country has seen and survived much worse.
October 16th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Sedulous,
I appreciate your comments. I agree that people need to study their history. Afterall, I wonder how many readers realize that Lincoln was not all that popular a candidate, only managing to garner 39.9% of the votes in the 1860 election. I admit that slavery was an explosive issue then, polarizing the populace. If this blog existed then, imagine how many would be saying the same about Lincoln that is being said about McCain and Obama. I am in no way saying McCain or Obama will end up on an edifice or with a memorial if he wins, but it gives a strong argument for an individual’s acts to be forced to stand the test of time before final judgement of the person’s impact or threat of impact on the nation can be ascertained. Sainthood and Halls of Fame generally require a “waiting period” before judgement can be passed, and I thing politicians deserve the same.
wsop2015, as for what McCain might or might not do, I think you must be psychic to judge a man on this, for I have seen no evidence that he will follow closely in Bush’s footsteps. Yes there are pictures of him and video of him either with Bush or praising him, but that is a role of the party. One could say the same about Hillary Clinton and OBama. There are also documented instances of him critizing Bush and his policies. If you watched the Republican primaries at all, you would realize that McCain is an incredibly moderate Republican that was more of a compromise for the majority of the GOP than an outright selection. He has even sponsored bills with some of Bush’s harshest cristics, like Russ Feingold. If you are getting all your news from campaign related links, you should not vote because you are not getting the complete story either way. Educate yourself with as many viewpoints and sources as you can, then make a decision {note: CNN,MSNBC,AP,ABC,NBC,CBS and and news paper in NYC count as one source since they all share the same information).
I also wonder if it is arrogance, ignorance, or a need to stir the pot that precipitates these comments. Whichever, it just shows me specific sender’s cedibility or lack thereof. I will waste no more time commenting on them.
October 16th, 2008 at 7:44 am
Now all we need is a list of “5 worst presidential candidates who won”.
I can already think of a few I’d add….
October 16th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Wow, Aaron Burr – what an a**hole!
This list had a lot of info I didn’t know about at all. Wish it was longer though.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:25 am
LOL no one mentioned Pat Robertson – ran for the Repub ticket against H-dubya in ‘88 on an anti-pornography ticket. Most people know him as the Christian crackpot on the 700 Club, responding to Jerry Falwell’s ridiculous, vitriolic tirade, blaming all of his enemies (”gays, lesbians, ACLU, feminists, liberals”) for 9/11 on September 13th, 2001 with, “Well, I totally agree.”
October 16th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Great List TonyR. I agree with onwisconsn & Sedulous in that we need history to take a couple of deep breaths before we judge Presidents as the worst or best. I know many are chomping at the bit waiting for a list of worst Presidents that were elected so they can hopefully see Bush in there at the number one spot. I remember when Kennedy was assassinated and everyone was hailing him as one of the greatest Presidents. We even put him on a 50 cent piece. I think the jury is still out on his accomplishments (good and bad) and we are still finding new information on his presidency and he has been out of office for 45 years.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
The worst presidents has already been done
http://listverse.com/politics/top-10-worst-us-presidents/
October 16th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Warrrreagl(18) I’m fairly certain the bias is against candidates who were pro-slavery/pro-segregation, not against the south in general. It just so happened that the most visible candidates of that bent were southerners.
Flock O’Seagulls(21) I don’t think Kerry was so bad (he was just not an eloquent speaker), though I do definitely agree with you regarding Dukakis.
onwisconsn, boy oh boy do I hear ya!
So, does anyone else keep thinking, when it comes to voting in elections (in general) that they find themselves voting for “The lesser of two evils”? Ever wonder where that old phrase came from and why we use it so much today? Reading this list kinda brings on a little perspective…
October 16th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Oh, please, neither Nader nor Perot nor McCain (hasn’t lost yet, people) compares to these guys. I mean, look at Calhoun. Seriously, look at him, he scares the crap outta me! Aaron Burr was a TRAITOR. And Perot did, what, say funny things in weird voices (I highly recommend checking out Dana Carvey for that: “Can I FINISH?!?!”).
I liked this list. Sure, we could have added more, but sometimes I enjoy a nice, quick list. Well written, too- full of juicy tidbits and nice pieces of history. Good job, TonyR.
October 16th, 2008 at 11:44 am
Horace Greeley had some crazy hair.
October 16th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
onwisconsn: I couldn’t have said it better myself!! Glad to see some people still know how to think for themselves
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October 16th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Dana Carvey on recent events:
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=5mavvzmLhlA
October 16th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
ONWISCONSIN–with common sense like that, you should run–alas, it is always voting for the lesser of two evils anymore-
My personal fav? Al Gore, he could have cracked this list.
October 16th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
wasn’t John C. Breckenridge on Friends?
October 16th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
Huey Long…he never officially ran for president, he was shot before he got the chance. But he would have been pretty terrible
October 16th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
VOTE MCCAIN/PALIN! GOD help this country if O’bama wins.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
OBAMA/BIDEN IN ‘08!
In 2016:
PALIN/JOE THE PLUMBER!
October 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
What about Al Gore, John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, and soon to be Obama. I can only wish that Obama loses so all my hardworked money doesn’t go to some lazy asshole who doesn’t want to work as hard as me. Any president that wants to re-distribute the wealth is a socialist and will only hurt this great nation. What is the incintive for people to try hard to establish themselves when they get rewarded for be lazy. Huh, answer me this you bunch of liberal assholes.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I like how you spelled it O’bama, lol he’s not Irish…
October 16th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
If Long ever ran, he would be # 1 on this list.
October 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Calhoun………..how scary does he look!
October 16th, 2008 at 3:49 pm
i just learned about Aaron Burr at my school…i’m glad to see him on this list.
October 16th, 2008 at 3:59 pm
I’ll bet “Scientific” would have voted Breckenridge in 1860. Asshole.
Scientific, I hope you realize that McCain voted yes for the 700billion bailout deal, thus making him a socialist. Good work, dip shit.
October 16th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
At one stage in US history there was a “Democratic-Republican party”? That would simplify matters!
October 16th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Is it just me, or does # 2 make any one else think of Gore Vidal’s Myra Breckinridge?
And yes, John C. Calhoun’s hair is scary, a whole lot like Elsa Lanchester in Bride of Frankenstein.
October 16th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
What the heck is Calhoun holding above his hands?
October 16th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
interesting list
October 16th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Ron Paul
October 16th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Hey, just wanted to say thanks for posting my list and for the positive comments.
As far as George Wallace goes, I was pretty close to putting him in… but I decided that he was just too similar to Strom Thurmond. Same goes for Harry Byrd. I also considered Millard Fillmore, when he ran for a second term on his xenophobic American Party ticket in 1856. But Fillmore had already served as president, and I felt that the list should be exclusively of individuals that had never risen to the office of president – - not people who once served and ran at a later date. Some other individuals to consider might be William Wirt, who in 1832 ran on the sole platform of eliminating the Masons, or Eugene V. Debs, a committed Marxist.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
I don’t know if any previous posters here have mentioned it, but let’s not forget the nauseating hypocrisy of Strom Thurmond–whose interracial love child was revealed shortly after his death in ‘03. Her mother was apparently a servant in Thurmond’s family home. Republican family values, indeed!
And as for comment #45, Scientific, your vague grumblings regarding liberal assholes, wealth redistribution, and socialism (ah, that favorite knee-jerk response of neoconservative shitheads everywhere), well, they’re just that–vague grumblings with little to support them. Are you even aware that John McCain is–as part of his platform, so it’s well-documented, unlike your statements–endorsing the unprecedented TAXATION of healthcare benefits?
Yes, in a world where every other industrialized, civilized nation considers healthcare a fundamental right of its citizens, the U.S. government would TAX those who are lucky enough to have those benefits (which already excludes nearly 45 million people), as if they were a luxury purchase. But you say you just bought a gas-guzzling Hummer H2? Don’t worry, we’ll just write that off as a business expense.
Why is it that the government can bleed money to megaconglomerates through corporate welfare scams, yet when the smallest pittance goes toward a social program of any sort, the right cries bloody murder? Just why is that? Well, apparently because people of your ilk, Scientific, seem to get all the information they think they need from rightwing blowhards on talk radio and Fox “news.” Your willful ignorance is only overshadowed by your hard-won stupidity. I fear for the future of America, and by extension, the world.
October 16th, 2008 at 7:57 pm
P.J. (57) You go, man. You rock. Perfectly said.
(or girl. I apologize either way.)
October 16th, 2008 at 7:59 pm
David Duke should be on this list. Former Grand Wizard of the KKK – can you imagine?!
October 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
(29. onwisconsn)
Great post. I wanted to say something along those lines but you did it better than I could.
America is going through some tough times right now, but we have faced far worse before. If you manage to cut through the party-line bickering being thrown at us from every direction, you will see that both current candidates have some good ideas, as well as a few bad ones. For the first time in my life, I have the option of voting for a candidate I believe in…not simply the lesser of 2 evils.
Obama comes across as sincere and highly intelligent – a nice change of pace from the past 8 years. I love the fact that Obama speaks to us as adults instead of the childish rambling favored by Bush – and to a lesser extent, Bill Clinton. I am a strong supporter of Obama’s plan for health care, and his tax plan seems to be beneficial to more people than McCain’s. On the other hand, Obama apparently has no idea how to lower our national debt as all his proposals will add to the budget, and he has all but gone silent on his plans to end the war with Iraq.
McCain honestly seems to favor transparency in government and appears to put his own beliefs over those of his party. McCain is a very moderate R, which has caused him endless problems with solidifying and energizing his base. The simple fact that he has managed to come so far without becoming a standard right-wing puppet earns him major credit in my book. His 0 tolerance stance on pork and pledge to enforce transparency in government is almost enough to sway me. My main hangups with McCain are his inconsistency (understandable in his situation but still an unfavorable mark)and the fact that he chose Palin as his running mate. I don’t dislike Palin because she is a woman, I despise her because she has all the intelligence of Bush. I do not trust her, and McCain’s age and health have to be considered. There is a higher than average chance that Palin would end up being president for a while, and I do not think she would be able to do the job. I also dislike the fact that McCain’s proposals so far have been aimed more at helping big business over the average American.
With that said, I would gladly support either of these candidates. Since we don’t have that option, I will be voting for Obama simply because his political ideals are a closer match to my own. Even if McCain wins, I still believe our country will be far better off in 4 years than it is now.
October 16th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
KT – Pray as much as you would like, but change is going to come.
Reading some of these comments here in 2008 sound VERY similar to the candidates listed. There is a hint of racisim involved although people try to hide it. It is a discrace to Americans – the “melting pot” – why discredit an intelligent and qualified person because of gender or skin color or religion?
McCain is a hero, no doubt. His fuse is short when confronted and he has trouble keeping his temper down which has hurt him in this race. This along with his cahoots with Bush, the economy, and sad choice of VP is fastly bringing this so-called “team of mavericks” down.
McCain was a hero, is a hero and should retire a proud hero at one of his many homes. Nobody needs to be under that kind of pressure at his age. God love him.
And god love Obama/Biden. It is about time that we step away from our pre-programed, arrogant and ethnocentric ideas of America. It is 2008 people – we need to stop being so afraid and think globally as well as nationally.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:34 am
WOW….this TonyR guy is sharp. Excellent intelligent look-back on history.
October 17th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Add Al Gore to the list.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:03 am
I am sick of all these comments about recent either democratic or republican candidates. Seriously people, you disliking them has nothing to do with how “bad they would be” all it has to do with is the fact that they are either republican or democrat. It is a shame that we have turned this nation so partisan. We need to look at what is best for this nation not for the parties. And in my view the best plan for this nation is to get rid of this ancient and broken party system. If anything needs to be fixed it is this.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Cubone you are a smart one.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Thanks Scientific.
Sometimes a reaction is as (or more) entertaining than the intial event.
October 17th, 2008 at 11:55 am
and easier to produce.
October 17th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
@#57 PJ: If you’re gonna criticize someone for using allegedly tired old talking points, you might want to make sure your post contains some measure of original thought.
@#60 Mr. Mojo: I am a strong supporter of Obama’s plan for health care,
I will never understand why people seem to think that the answer for the problems with America’s health care system is to turn it over to an organization which is so famously inefficient that it’s become a punch-line. I don’t want my health care to be “good enough for government work.”
and his tax plan seems to be beneficial to more people than McCain’s.
Obama’s tax plan helps A at the expense of B. McCain’s tax plan doesn’t hurt anybody. The main problem I have with the left (and, to be fair, Mojo, you do strike me as fairly moderate, but you seem to have bought into this misconception) is that they don’t seem to recognize that rich people are human beings with rights, and not a resource to be tapped as needed. No human being should be subjected to a government that forcefully takes away their property and gives it to another individual. If you cut out the middle man we’d call it theft!
When did success become a bad thing? When did the American Dream become “Don’t get too rich or we’ll take your money away.” I dare Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi, etc. to walk up to someone who makes $250K a year, look them in the eye and tell them, “You are not paying enough taxes.”
October 17th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I suggest Eugene V. Debs as an honorable mention. He unsuccessfully ran for President 5 times in the early 20th century on the Socialist Party of America ticket. Granted, he never had a realistic chance of winning, and he wasn’t really a racist or traitor like some of the other guys on the list, but his name has become synonymous with “perpetually failing electoral candidates” in the US.
October 17th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Okay, yet again people, McCain, Bush, Obama, Kerry, Gore, Nader, Perot: none of these people tried selling their country to England!
Sorry, I have to deflect this:
68. Yun: Yes, Obama did over the weekend when confronted by the illustrious “Joe the Plumber”. Youtube it, it’s all over the place.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
68. Yun – Don’t get me wrong, it’s a nasty situation either way. Do you like having an interstate highway system? Do you like having public schools, a police force, and the ability to go about your life without being bombed by a random country? These things cost money, and someone has to pay it.
No, it isn’t fair that the most successful people have to pay more than everyone else, but it is even less fair to expect the less fortunate to do so. It’s harsh, but the alternative is far worse.
For the record, I’m well on my way to seeing both ends of the spectrum. When my wife and I first got married we had nothing…no money, no steady income, no house. We relied on the government for assistance for a while until we were able to land stable jobs and make a start for ourselves. It took 10 years but we are now living fairly comfortably. Within the next 5 years I believe we will pass the $250k/year income mark. In all honesty, I won’t be happy to pay more in taxes than I do now, but I know from experience I would rather pay more than earn less, and I know I can afford these taxes better than someone who earns half what I do.
October 17th, 2008 at 7:23 pm
Grr I submitted too soon.
68. Yun – There are 2 reasons I support Obama’s health care plan.
1) Obama’s proposal will not tax healthcare benefits like McCain’s.
2) Obama’s proposal is optional.
“Good enough for government work” is better than nothing at all. Under Obama’s plan, you don’t have to settle for the government version if you have an alternative. His plan is designed to cover those who have no health insurance…not to force everyone into the same blanket coverage. Obama’s plan also makes concessions for small business owners (check out the youtube clip of McCain’s double take during the last debate). To me Obama’s healthcare plan appears balanced, comprehensive, and well planned.
October 18th, 2008 at 8:46 am
53. Blogball: What the heck is Calhoun holding above his hands?
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His marbles. They fell from his bugged out eyes.
October 18th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
Anyone else think that Calhoun looks like Sweeney Todd?
October 18th, 2008 at 10:17 pm
Oh My God. My heart jumped when I saw that photo. I screamed. No joke.
Imagine having that guys face as a mask for Halloween? Fuck Obama, McCain, Bush, and Hillary masks. A mug like that would make children cry.
October 20th, 2008 at 7:00 am
Also, it was found after Strom Thurmond’s death that he fathered a child with an african-american woman who acted as his maid.
October 20th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Calhoun’s got the crazy eyes!
October 20th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Bush did not lose. That’s a done-to-death myth.
And what’s wrong with wanting to keep dangerous criminals away from yourself and your family? Mind-boggling. . .
October 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
notice, mostly democrats
October 20th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
You really ought to read up on your history…the Democratic Party never was a supporer of civil rights. Northern dems – known as Copperheads – supported the Confederacy and slavery during the Civil War and tried at every turn to undermine Lincoln’s administration. The KKK was spawned from the Democratic Party; Lester Maddox, George Wallace and virtually every other segregationist was a Democrat; and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was passed through Congress because Lyndon Johnson, to his credit and against the leadership of the Deocratic Party, had the support of the Republicans in both the House and the Senate. Robert Byrd, a former Klan leader, and Al Gore Sr. (yes, Al Gore’s father) led the Democrat opposition to the legislation. The defeat of Strom Thurmond did not unite the Democrats against segregation. It only made them more virulent and violent in their support of racist groups like the KKK and later the Aryan Nation and other such groups. Please don’t distort historical fact to suit your own political biases by painting the Democratic Party as being something it never was. It was founded on racism, slavery and promoting the dissolution of the Union.
October 23rd, 2008 at 12:38 pm
Mr. Mojo, in re: your post #71.
The “less fortunate” are no such thing, to begin with, because if they are “less fortunate” then that means people like yourself, being therefore “more fortunate”, just stumbled into the place you occupy in life. “It took 10 years but we are now living fairly comfortably. Within the next 5 years I believe we will pass the $250k/year income mark.” Your efforts for the past ten and the next five years were and will be for naught, it’s just luck. Do you agree?
Next, someone who earns half what you do isn’t paying a whole lot in income tax, relative to what those who earn more pay, already. The top 50% of income earners pay 98% of the income taxes in the USA. Look it up at the IRS website and you’ll see how the percentage of taxes paid trends down to nearly nothing and then nothing as you get into the lower 50%.
Lastly, the real problem with Obama’s and McCain’s, and Hillary’s and everyone else’s, health care plans is that none of them is Constitutional. Nowhere in the document is anything said about healthcare being a right, nor does it authorize the government to provide or assist in providing any such. It doesn’t matter how many people “feel” it’s a right, it doesn’t matter how many people think it should be done anyway, what matters is the supreme law of the land makes no provision for it, other than being amended to include it. If you and others want government healthcare, start the ball rolling for a Constitutional Convention and get it changed. The mechanism is in place, use it. It won’t be easy, but that’s intentional. Don’t just shove aside the greatest testament to the rights of human beings the world has ever seen because you feel that the government ought to do something for the “less fortunate”.
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:41 pm
Al Gore and John Kerry
October 23rd, 2008 at 1:56 pm
82. bob- Hahahahahahaha! Oh that’s funny AND original- because people haven’t said that before…on this list…Good job. ::rolls eyes::
October 23rd, 2008 at 4:25 pm
81. Shell: I think you misunderstand the difference between something being Constitutional and un-Constitutional.
Health care plans, who ever writes them, are neither Constitutional nor un-Constitutional. They simply *are*.
You’re right when you say health care is not a ” Constitutional right”, however we have come far enough as humans, as moral beings, to consider taking care of our citizenry an obligation. Perhaps you don’t feel an obligation to care for your elders, if so, that explains your stance more fully.
Otherwise, you might want to consider yourself 40 years from now. How will you live? How will you pay your doctor bills? It’s bad now, it will only get worse.
October 23rd, 2008 at 5:20 pm
83. Cedestra- today was the first time I looked on the list and i dont want to read everyone elses comments.
October 24th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Typical. Disagree with a Leftist and get “You just don’t care!” as a reply, rather than a reasoned argument.
No, I don’t misunderstand the difference, I stated the difference rather clearly. The Constitution places limits on what the federal government is allowed to do. If the Constitution does not mention something, then that something is left to the states or to the people to handle.
In one respect you are correct. I’m not obligated to care for any old people other than my own. My dad nearly negated that obligation by his behavior and treatment of my mother, my sister, and me during my childhood. I say that to show that even that obligation is not absolute. That said, though, I do think that any decent human being should – that’s should, not must – show a concern for his fellow human beings. I just don’t think having the government do it on my behalf is the way to go about it.
Want the Fed to provide for you in old age and for your health as you go there? “Feel” that you and I and every other citizen are “obligated” to “DO SOMETHING!” for each other and the best way to do that is via government rather than amongst ourselves? The Constitution is The Law, and we are a nation of laws. If you don’t like the way things are done, work to change the law, or work within the system the law allows, don’t toss the law aside because you think we’ve got beyond it.
October 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am
Whoah! It’s apocalyptic to think and imagine how America would’ve been if some of these guys, out of freak and divine intervention, actually won.
October 25th, 2008 at 2:58 am
Scientific, you’re truly as ignorant as the assholes on this list which is quite an accomplishment. i wish a could sympathize with someone as rich, arrogant, and out-of-touch with reality as you seem to be, but i’m too busy working my ass off for corporate dipshits that think they should pay me next to nothing and offer no affordable healthcare benefits because since i’m poor, it’s must be it’s own reward. everyone pays taxes and just because you’ve got more money doesn’t make you any better or any harder of a worker than anyone else. i guess those past 8 years of republican rule have made you believe otherwise. why don’t you and mccain go discuss how many houses yall have and why no one seems to trust old rich guys anymore.
October 25th, 2008 at 3:34 am
Shell -
Your federal government does 1,001 every day that aren’t listed in the Constitution.
October 25th, 2008 at 4:23 am
shell:
leave it to the well-off to deny the existence of the poor or ‘less fortunate’ as you would say. i love how people automatically assume that we were all born into middle class homes with stable incomes and college degrees; like we decided to skip futhering our education beyond grade school or turn down that high paying job because we’re lazy and want to live off welfare and food stamps. while i admit there are many who take advantage of social services, there are much more of us that prefer to put in an honest day’s work for minimum wage. the funny thing is that when we lose our jobs to massive layoffs or some other bullshit reason, you won’t believe how hard it is for us to get food stamps or unemployment checks. and as for the fed taking care of me in my old age; if you’re gonna taken money out of every paycheck i earn and call it ’social security’ and say it’s for my retirement–it better effing be there for me when i’m 65.
October 25th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Okay, Lilith, as ill as I am today, this deserves a response.
I grew up in a low lower middle-class home. Made it to Uni, one seriously bad marriage and 3 small children. Took the 3 small children (4, 5 &6) and moved 400 miles away before even announcing my intentions of divorcing my husband.
I worked my ass off for the next 14 years, caring not only for my kids, but for two dying parents during that time as well, sometimes I worked fabulous jobs which put me in the heart of the Hollywood world, sometimes I had to work 3 jobs at the same time to make ends meet, but I always did.
Then, I got sick. I mean, really, really sick. The rest of my life on disability sick. Getting here, getting the government to believe me at the very beginning, was an ordeal. Intelligent, proactive persistence paid off. Plus, the government doctor who examined me and my MRI’s was, by a miracle, familiar with my extremely rare disease. He took it upon himself to okay me immediately, and allow me to forgo further testing and trips to offices to prove my case.
It does not matter where you start. What matters is what you do along the way, and where, and how you end your journey.
Being angry helps no one. In fact, it usually hinders one, because it takes your focus away from the task at hand. The task at hand should always be improving oneself. It sounds to me as if you want to do that, but it also sounds as if your anger may be hobbling you.
Try it without the anger. It took me a while to learn that lesson, I offer it to you for free.
November 6th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Calhouns eye’s follow me wherever I go. Help!
November 6th, 2008 at 4:54 am
I agree Nope. He looks like an absolutely insane person.
December 17th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Calhoun could be played by willem dafoe in a movie about his life…the resemblance is uncanny…
April 12th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Sgt. Batguano – October 16th, 2008 at 6:46 am
Ninety years of slavery followed by about a century of Civil Rights issues is awfully hard to top
90 years of slavery? You do know the colonists landed way before 1776, that just the year of Independence…
Slavery in the United States began soon after English colonists first settled in Virginia in 1607 and lasted as a legal institution until the passage of the Thirteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1865. (Wikipedia)
I see I wasn’t the only one trying to sleep through history LOL
May 10th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Segue,
How odd you thought of Myra Breckenridge when you saw John Breckenridge, because in actuality that was his true grandfather.
No kidding.