Many of us have heard of the inventions attributed to Thomas Edison that were, in fact, just improvements on others’ work, but this list goes beyond Edison (though it does include him) to other areas that you may be less likely to know about. This is a list of the many wonderful devices that have been such a huge help to man through modern history, which are not attributed to their correct inventor.
Alleged Inventor: Microsoft (with Windows)
Actual Inventor: Xerox PARC
The concept of a graphical user interface (GUI) and desktop idiom (controlled by a mouse) is most well known to people thanks to Microsoft’s Windows operating system. So much so, that many people now believe that they invented it – but they didn’t. This is a long and complicated tale but it basically goes like this: Xerox invented the system (Xerox Alto personal computer) based on earlier work by Doug Engelbart and showed Apple. Apple loved it and began development of their own system which was clearly heavily influenced by the Xerox system. They released the first commercially successful version of it on January 24, 1984 – the Macintosh. Microsoft on the other hand, did not release Windows until November 1985 and it did not allow overlapping windows (except dialog boxes) because Apple owned the patent. Microsoft’s system was also not an operating system – it was an interface which ran on top of MS DOS.
Alleged Inventor: Henry Ford
Actual Inventor: Karl Benz
Although several other German engineers (including Gottlieb Daimler, Wilhelm Maybach, and Siegfried Marcus) were working on the problem at about the same time, Karl Benz generally is acknowledged as the inventor of the modern automobile. An automobile powered by his own four-stroke cycle gasoline engine was built in Mannheim, Germany by Karl Benz in 1885 and granted a patent in January of the following year under the auspices of his major company, Benz & Cie., which was founded in 1883. It was an integral design, without the adaptation of other existing components and including several new technological elements to create a new concept. This is what made it worthy of a patent. He began to sell his production vehicles in 1888. Ford did not create a self-propelled automobile until 1896 – more than ten years after Benz.
Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Wilhelm Röntgen
While it is true that Edison’s Fluoroscope became the standard in medicine, it was not the first example of x-ray photography. on 22 December 1895, Wilhelm Röntgen (a German physics professor) saw a picture of his wife’s hand on a photographic plate formed due to X-rays. His wife’s hand’s photograph (shown above) was the first ever photograph of a human body part using X-rays. His contribution to the science of X-rays and X-ray photography is so significant that they are also called Röntgen rays.
Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison (in fact his own moving pictures concept was created by one of his staff, William Dickson)
Actual Inventor: Louis Le Prince
The clip above (the first moving picture) was recorded at 12 frames per second by French inventor Louis Le Prince. It was filmed at the home of Joseph and Sarah Whitley, in Roundhay, Leeds, West Yorkshire, England on October 14, 1888 and the people who appear are Adolphe Le Prince (Louis’s son), Sarah Whitley, Joseph Whitley, and Harriet Hartley. Ten days after filming, Sarah Whitley died. Two years later Le Prince vanished mysteriously from a train traveling between Dijon and Paris. Another two years later, Alphonse (the eldest son) was found shot dead in New York after testifying at a patent trial against Edison by the American Mutoscope Company. Edison’s first moving picture (Monkeyshines) did not appear until 1889 or 1890.
Alleged Inventor: Galileo
Actual Inventor: Hans Lippershey
The earliest known working telescopes appeared in 1608 and are credited to Hans Lippershey. Among many others who claimed to have made the discovery were Zacharias Janssen, spectacle-makers in Middelburg, and Jacob Metius of Alkmaar. The design of these early refracting telescopes consisted of a convex objective lens and a concave eyepiece. Galileo used this design the following year. In 1611, Johannes Kepler described how a telescope could be made with a convex objective and eyepiece lens and by 1655 astronomers such as Christiaan Huygens were building powerful but extremely large and unwieldy Keplerian telescopes with compound eyepieces.
Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville
Thomas Alva Edison conceived the principle of recording and reproducing sound between May and July 1877 as a byproduct of his efforts to “play back” recorded telegraph messages and to automate speech sounds for transmission by telephone. He announced his invention of the first phonograph, a device for recording and replaying sound, on November 21, 1877. But – fully 17 years earlier (1860), Frenchman Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville invented the phonautograph. It could transcribe sound to a visible medium, but had no means to play back the sound after it was recorded. The transcriptions, known as phonautograms, were first successfully played back using computer technology in 2008 and you can hear it above – this is the voice of a woman singing “Au clair de la lune” and it was recorded 149 years ago. At the time, James Buchanan was the US President and France was governed by Emperor Napoleon III.
Alleged Inventor: Thomas Edison
Actual Inventor: Sir Humphry Davy
In 1802, Humphry Davy had what was then the most powerful electrical battery in the world at the Royal Institution of Great Britain. In that year, he created the first incandescent light by passing the current through a thin strip of platinum, chosen because the metal had an extremely high melting point. It was not bright enough nor did it last long enough to be practical, but it was the precedent behind the efforts of scores of experimenters over the next 75 years until Thomas Edison’s creation of the first commercially practical incandescent lamp in 1879.
Alleged Inventor: Guglielmo Marconi
Actual Inventor: Nikola Tesla
In 1895, Marconi introduced to the public a device in London, asserting it was his invention. Despite Marconi’s statements to the contrary, though, the apparatus resembles Tesla’s descriptions in the widely translated articles. Marconi’s later practical four-tuned system was pre-dated by N. Tesla, Oliver Lodge, and J. S. Stone. Marconi’s late-1895 transmission of signals was for around a mile. The electromechanical engineer Nikola Tesla, who has been called the father of wireless telegraphy, was one of the first to patent a means to reliably produce radio frequency waves. Between 1895 and 1899, Tesla claimed to have received wireless signals transmitted over long distances, although there is no independent evidence to support this. According to Tesla, “The popular impression is that my wireless work was begun in 1893, but as a matter of fact I spent the two preceding years in investigations, employing forms of apparatus, some of which were almost like those of today. . . .”
Alleged Inventor: The Wright Brothers
Actual Inventor: Richard Pearse
The Wright Brothers are generally regarded as the first to make a powered and sustained heavier-than-air human flight, but in fact, nine months prior to their famous takeoff on the 17th of December, 1903 at Kitty Hawk, New Zealander Richard Pearse performed the same feat in timaru, New Zealand (31 March 1903). Although it lacked an aerofoil section wing, Pearse’s flying machine resembled modern aircraft design much more than did the Wright brothers’ machine: monoplane rather than biplane; tractor rather than pusher propeller; stabiliser and elevators at the back rather than the front; and ailerons rather than wing-warping for controlling banking. It bore a remarkable resemblance to modern microlight aircraft.
Alleged Inventor: Al Gore (note: he actually never said that he “invented” the internet; but he did say: “During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet.”
Actual Inventor: The true fathers of the Internet (the direct creators of the ARPANET from which the Internet grew) are Vinton Cerf, with Lawrence Roberts, Leonard Kleinrock, Robert Kahn.
Vinton Cerf (born June 23, 1943, pictured above) is an American computer scientist who is the “person most often called ‘the father of the Internet’.” His contributions have been recognized repeatedly, with honorary degrees and awards that include the National Medal of Technology, the Turing Award, and the Presidential Medal of Freedom. During his graduate student years, Cerf studied under Professor Gerald Estrin, worked in Professor Leonard Kleinrock’s data packet networking group that connected the first two nodes of the ARPANet, the predecessor to the Internet, and “contributed to a host-to-host protocol” for it. While at UCLA, he also met Robert E. Kahn, who was working on the ARPANet hardware architecture. Cerf has worked for Google as its Vice President and Chief Internet Evangelist since September 2005.
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smithstar15: if you keep insulting people and calling them names, it takes away any credibility to your complaint about Randall calling you names! Why not just forget it all and get on with enjoying the site and comments – name calling is pointless regardless of who is doing it.
“I now am a now a support *****yst for new program designs for the financial institution I work for. I test all of the new products and services coming in and look for flaws.”
sheesh….
I play with mud and… I look for air bubbles? haha…
95. jfrater – April 11th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Why does the Gore thing have to be about left-wing versus right-wing? He made the statement and that is that. Would it be different if George Bush had have said it?
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Because it simply doesn’t belong on this list. Nobody attributes the invention of the internet to Al Gore, just look at the verbal contortions The_Snowdog had to go through to try and justify your position. The fact is, he played an extremely important role bringing it into the private sector (see #94), and only rightwingers attempt to ridicule his statements on the subject. Even if he was bragging, how does that in any way mitigate his contributions? I suspect JFra chose #1 because he disagrees with Gore and 95% of climate experts on Global Warming. Sorry Jamie, you are provably wrong on GW, and wrong to have a Republican talking point as your numer one entry on this list. I challenge you to cite a single person, anywhere, who would without irony, answer Al Gore, when asked who invented the internet.
smithstar15: WordNet® 3.0, © 2006 by Princeton University
Your churlish retorts are cute and all, but when you start citing sources, damn that cuts me to the quick.
this feces eater attacked me first
LOL, you just called yourself “feces”. Nice. Way to rally up support for your cause.
Tomas Edison tried to take credit for this list too until Jfrater stopped him…
jfrater:
Jame, I wasn’t referring to YOU when I made my comments. I was referring to the people who’ve since commented in this thread, who were bashing Edison (yet again).
What about the brazilian Santos Dumont?
refering to the #2
Wow. Leave it to people here to take every word written down in a quick post and look at it under a microscope until they find some kind of discrepancy and call you out on it.
People relax. I should have said perfected instead of invented. Fine. The point is I was surprised that many people think Ford invented the automobile. I kind of regret even mentioning the assembly line.
Some people here need to find other hobbies really bad.
I like fantasy baseball. I knows its a little nerdy. But some of you regular posters should now all about nerdiness.
sheesh… I wasn’t criticizing you, Rolo, but rather making addendums. If you want to continue thinking things that aren’t true, hey, that’s no skin off my back. Less time I have to commit to researching facts to help out people who don’t want my help, I suppose.
sorry if it’s nerdy that I enjoy learning. simply part and parcel of who I am.
Edison’s and Ford’s brilliance : they took inventions and turned them into practical products and yeah they made a few bucks.
@116 – Hey, I brought up Eli Whitney in comment #89! And it was brought up again as your own idea in your comment. I guess it IS in the spirit of the topic of the list, though.
Sorry gabi, I couldn’t help myself, it had to be done!
Though, I have to give you credit on adding the Oldsmobile to the subject, thus creating an improved, marketable comment…
131 – My apologies for trying to steal your thunder.
132 – Thanks a bunches!
haha, MisterSir, you are a funny one…
In the past I’ve told people to refer to comment ___ and would almost guarantee they wouldn’t look it up. It’s become easier to be redundant than to have people do research themselves. For the record, I never claimed it was solely my idea or I would have copyrighted that thing as I am doing with this comment.
(c) gabi319
TAKE THAT!!
it’s funny that smithstar now thinks that gabi/maggot/randall are one person attacking him through aliases, because he left this over on the overrated novels list a while back:
“Lo-Randall-*****Taxi-Whatever name you’re going by at the present–”
so he thinks that at least 5 distinct people (all with different writing styles and opinions) are just one person out to get him, hiding behind screen names.
that’s pretty paranoid! i wish he would stop the vile name-calling, it’s pointless and adds nothing to the list discussion. did we have nearly a whole week where people were mostly civil? sigh…
if you have a difference of opinion with someone here you should feel free to debate it and exchange ideas -it’s interesting for many. in comparison, simply rattling off a list of insults is boring and distasteful (and the boring is probably a bigger offense
).
Lo–or maggot or randall or whatever you’re calling yourself at the present–You’re the most boring of all.
All the same writing style–I had a person who knows about such things *****yze it–Most probably you’re institutionalized–That would account for the erratic hours you’re allowed on a computer. And when you have these flights of fancy where you’re going to dine with CEO’s and celebrities,I imagine that’s when they’re taking you down the hall for your shock treatments.If this is the case and I’m sure it is even though you won’t admit it(and I don’t blame you)I truly apologize.
Many people enjoy learning Gabi. Many people also enjoy bickering with complete strangers on a simple internet forum.
I enjoy this site for its content. I check it about two or three times a month and make sure I at least glance through mostly every list. Some are very entertaining (I even posted two myself one on cannibalism and one on wrestling). But every time I scroll down to the comments I see the same people having the same arguments.
I think to myself. “Wow some people really invest a lot of time into these little back and forths”. Do I think some of them just do research on the fly depending on the daily topic? O yeah, there is some blatant cutting and pasting and paraphrasing.
But whatever. I guess different people go on sites for different reasons. Hey I least during some of these asinine exchanges they at least spit out some form of knowledge. Its better than some of the knuckleheads that I run into on a daily basis, who don’t know jack ***** and wouldn’t know where to find it even if they wanted to.
So the word nerd comes to mind. But not a nerd in a Deans list, Lambda Lambda Lambda, pocket protectors, black glasses with white tape in the middle kind of way, but nerd in a lonely , non existent social life, live in your moms basement, dont get enough action, kind of way.
believe me the way some commentors respond to each other I seriously doubt that too many people would put up with them in a social setting.
thanks for proving my point perfectly, smithstar.
you know, over on the novels list you claimed to be a 67-year-old totally disabled veteran. and we know you have a paranoid persecution complex. and apparently fantasize about having someone *****yze the writing styles of comments on an internet entertainment list (or really, really enjoy wasting your time/aren’t able to understand “voice” in writing on your own).
is it possible that you’re projecting something of yourself in this last comment, just to complete the package?
Lo–or maggot or randall or whatever
Welcome to the club, lo! Actually, my real name is segue.
smithstar: “All the same writing style–I had a person who knows about such things *****yze it”….sure you did. How about taking a trip into the forums and look up some of the people you are talking to? We are all different people.
Hey, lo….he now lumped you into the fray as well. Some people just don’t get it, I guess. I also couldn’t help myself to respond to the troll. Very bad of me, I know.
Lo–or maggot or randall or whatever
too lengthy. why not combine it to one catchy name….
lomagdallever
oouchan, i know, it was just remembering him form the other list combined with him being so vile, couldn’t help it.
i’m done feeding it now.
134. lo – “it’s funny that smithstar now thinks that gabi/maggot/randall are one person”
This I would shorten to say gamaran. It sounds like a Transformer.
gabi….
“Transformers, More than meets the eye. Transformers, Robots in disguise.”
I loved that cartoon!
Stop fighting people – it benefits no one
If it continues I will have to take off my belt.
144. jfrater: sorry dad!
“If it continues I will have to take off my belt.”
…at least wait until I can find the ***** music…
fun fact about the light bulb thing.
the actual inventer of incandescent lighting (a lightbulb/the kind of lights we use in homes etc.) may have been invented in 1802.
but by the time the ‘lightbulb’ as we know it was invented etc. Arc lighting had already been in use for years in streetlights in major cities.
(basically tesla coil = giant arc lighting example).
it was just too expensive and impractical for everyday use in a house.
and i have NO idea why i know this. I’m full of useless trivia. Might be why I like this site so much.
oouchan: that’s fine – you are safe for now…
gabi319: I prefer Peaches – “F*** the pain away” please
Thomas edison was a dole bludging, idiot who actually never invented anything we give him credit for yet he is still known as one of the best inventors of all time…
what a bloody legend.
lol. Smithstar is funny. Stupid, but funny.
O dear. Now he has to find a new name because obviously I also go under the alias of:
segue
lo
oouchan
randall
gabi319
maggott
The entire internet is acutally just a conspiracy out to get smithstar. What moron also gives his real name on a site where everyone is allegedly out to get him?
Sorry for the ad hom jfrater! Couldnt resist. That and the promise of you taking off your belt and gabi stripping – more than I can handle!
HAHAHAHA!!!
Excellent choice, but sorry Jamie. The only CDs I will contribute to the LV strip joint are from my job and the studio attracts many of the 3 to 9 year old age group so risque music has been strictly verboten. You can have your choice of “Disney Princesses” or “Kidz Bop”!!
Thanks for the song recommendation, though. I bought it and will add it to my mix of “Songs I blast in my car immediately after I get off work.”
Well, here’s a list about inventions, and the left wingers bring Bush into it. On top of that, one of them (Yogiisabust) compares Bush to Hitler, which just goes to show the poor quality of today’s public education system. Seriously, Bush had his problems, but anyone who makes such a comparison has no credibilty and if fact, is probably drinking way too much Kool-aid of the Jim Jones variety.
Hey someone else agrees with me that the american education system is failing todays youth! Maybe I don’t have such a narrow minded view. Or maybe I do! Only time will tell.
Steelman, you aren’t terribly perceptive are you. I compared the damage Bush caused to the damage Hitler caused. I’ll stand by my statement that the stolen 2000 election is the biggest disaster to befall Western civilization. Here’s one major difference between the two. Hitler *****ed up a world when it was in the throes a depression. Bush *****ed up a world that was thriving.
My objection to the #1 on this list is because it was really a snide comment disguised as an objective fact. Nobody, including Gore, attributes the invention of the internet to him. Instead of giving Gore major props for taking a taxpayer funded invention and adapting it for public use, your side ridiculed him. You did the same against Kerry in 2004. Instead of honoring his service to our country, you lied about his record.
You know, if I have to hear this goddamned stupid ass cliche about “drinking the Kool Aid” again, I’m seriously going to puke all over a LOT of people who will not appreciate it, and then I’ll get all CRAZY VIOLENT like a mash-up of the guy in “No Country for Old Men” and Daffy Duck… and not only will it not be pretty, but it’ll hurt me, you, and a whole freakin’ BUNCH of innocent bystanders.
SO ENOUGH with the crap cliche, okay? Before my eyebrows burn off already!
Oh yeah another thing Steelman, “drinking the Kool-aid” is a very trite and tiresome metaphor. It shows a lack of imagination and in this case it’s directed at the wrong party. In order for it to have merit, I would have to be defending someone who is evil and be willing to commit suicide for him. You are the one defending Bush, and you are the voter who sacrificed the lives of your family, your friends, your co-workers, American soldiers, and innocent civilians to serve the wishes of a narcissist.
drinking the kool aid? First. What is kool aid? Second. Who mentioned kool aid?
Nm. Found it!
But seriously? Kool aid?
By the way, it was heartily amusing to pop in here this morning after only having about five minutes to pop in last night, and see this smithstar clown hang himself with the ample rope he was given.
According to him, I am, now, apparently the following people:
Maggot
gabi
segue
cymsteelbeltradialbakushan
oouchan
lo
and quite possibly jfrater.
I have never felt so schizo in all my life. At least I’ll never be lonely again.
Look at that! Randall and I were writing the same comment at the same time. Normally I’d say, “great minds think alike”, but that would be an insult to Randall.
cymlungfishbutter:
No Kool Aid in Wales? It’s a powdered soft drink of the faux juice variety. Peddled by a gigantic glass pitcher with arms and legs and a happy face… and a disturbingly deep voice.
YogiBarrister:
Aren’t we one and the same person too? See, I’m all confused now. Don’t know WHO I’m supposed to be.
Damn it all of you I cant think! I thought I was all of you. Not you were me! Now I’m confused. If all the other voices would just be quiet?
Ahhhh thats better.
I think smithstar is just jealous because the voices aren’t talking to HIM
Don’t you agree Randall?
Why yes I do cymthedayandcymthehour!
cym:
You needn’t have asked, since we’re in each other’s heads anyway. Of course I agree.
I am, as ever,
cymchakakhanagan
cym: now that you know what Kool Aid is, do you know what the “drinking the Kool-aid” metaphor refers to? I’m figuring you’ve probably not heard that one before, so it makes no sense to you?
Cym
Re: Kool Aid
Yes that’s the juice mix but kool aid referred to is ‘special’. Jim Jones of the People’s Temple mixed cyanide and tranquilizers in the juice as part of the mass suicide cult ritual.
Chicken Robot has a great Zombie Kool Aid sketch.
Randall: “cymlungfishbutter” lol hilarious.
Jim Jones actually worked for Kool Aid and was trying a marketing test for a new Kool Aid flavor. Needless to say the hundreds of people who took the taste challenge didn’t respond well to it.
165. Of course I know what it means. You are in my head after all. Or am I in yours?
I have no idea what you guys were referring to so I stayed quiet. I figured one of the other voices in my head would explain it if i stayed quiet long enough…
smithstar15:
You have a lot of nerve… I´ve read your comments on other threads denouncing Randall for calling you a moron and you have the balls to come on this thread and insult him for no apparent reason? And then you do the same to illegal_immigrant? Get off your self-rightous and obviously hypocritcal high horse and see if you can make some actual constructive comments.
Oops, sorry about that post! I see jamie has put his foot down but I was just too indignant to wait and read all the posts before commenting. My mistake…
*****
gabi319 (166): Thank you… I was just going to ask what was wrong with Kool Aid. I´ve actually never tasted it but I have seen the large, freaky red jar. For a moment there I thought they were mixing Kool Aid with some sort of liquor which didn´t sound THAT bad… Thanks for the clarification!
No. 8 = Stupid … EVERYone knows it was roentgen, not edison, it shouldnt be in the top 10…
& also, Edison dominates the list … Any idea why ?
“Steelman, you aren’t terribly perceptive are you. I compared the damage Bush caused to the damage Hitler caused. ”
Yogi, I’m perceptive enough to know that you made a strong implication that Bush was worse than Hitler. Someone else picked up and commented on that same perception. So nice try to back-down from your original position, but you’re still way out in left field.
“I’ll stand by my statement that the stolen 2000 election is the biggest disaster to befall Western civilization.”
Stolen?? Really??? Three major newspapers got involved after the election and confirmed via recount, that Bush did indeed win Florida, which pushed him over the top anyway. I guess you missed that and are happy with you’re talking points.
“Here’s one major difference between the two. Hitler *****ed up a world when it was in the throes a depression.”
See, it’s people like you with a huge distorted perspective, that help screw up this world. Hitler was a genocidal maniac intent on racially purifying the world. There is no comparison at all.
“Bush *****ed up a world that was thriving.”
Hmmm, by himself, huh?? Try again. Politicians of all stripes in America helped screw up our economy. I distrust all of them. You seem to forget Democratic policies of forcing banks to sell to poor people who couldn’t afford the homes to beging with. I’d add that our culture was to blame as well – a need for big, immediate gratification. As for the rest of the world, they created their own similar problems. But, if your claim helps you demonize Bush and make you feel ok about yourself…………..
“My objection to the #1 on this list is because it was really a snide comment disguised as an objective fact. Nobody, including Gore, attributes the invention of the internet to him. Instead of giving Gore major props for taking a taxpayer funded invention and adapting it for public use, your side ridiculed him. You did the same against Kerry in 2004. Instead of honoring his service to our country, you lied about his record.”
Oh, and your side didn’t ridicule Bush on every single comment? Hell, your side ridiculed and started to question McCain’s service when it suited. Hypocrisy does not serve you well.
Dude, I think you love bush a bit too much, as evidenced by your statement on the war weapons list:
“158 Steelman.
“Though I have my issues with Bush as well, just watch. In about 10-20 years, he will be remembered differently, especially in keeping us safe for 8 years.””
You haven’t answered my points there. Maybe you can answer them here. How do you say the man kept you safe when he declared war on iraq under false pretences, declared a ‘crusade’ against extremists (a poor choice of words) and was president during the worst terror attacks in US history. The man alienated america from the East and made your country highly unpopular in Europe. The man was a lack-lustre president at best.
As I said on the other list, the world breathes a sigh of relief now obama is in office.
And why is it that serving your country immediately makes you fit for the most powerful job in the world?
In Britain it is university educated lawyers, accountants, scientists and economists who get the top jobs in politics – not someone who justifies a political seat because he spent a war in a prison camp
I suppose that is just a difference between Britain and America.
@gabi #133:
Copyrighted comments? I like it!
You didn’t steal my thunder, anyway. Like I said, it’s all in the spirit of the list!
Steelman:
“Three major newspapers got involved after the election and confirmed via recount, that Bush did indeed win Florida, which pushed him over the top anyway.”
i wasn’t aware that newspapers were supposed to provide the definitive answers to any questions in the US election system.
have you noticed all that recount stuff that has kept Minnesota from seating a 2nd senator for nearly 6 months now? it seems to be being handled by the state canvassing board and the courts.
so why didn’t anyone tell the Minneapolis StarTribune that they had the power to declare the winner? maybe because newspapers -non-elected, mostly privately held, for-profit corporations- are supposed to report election results, not determine them!
rupert murdoch, a conservative Australian-born naturalized-US citizen, through News Corp. owns practically half of the world’s large news media outlets, does that mean he controls global recounts from now on? that doesn’t seem very democratic, somehow.
Steelman:
I just had to butt in, though I should leave this to YogiBarrister… but this statement of your just begged for a challenge:
“Hmmm, by himself, huh?? Try again. Politicians of all stripes in America helped screw up our economy.”
It’s convenient for right-wingers to now claim that the current economic mess is *everyone’s* fault and not just theirs. This is in fact an all-too-typical gambit resorted to by people who need to lie to cover up the blame they must suffer.
But it won’t wash, for a number of reasons. For instance:
“I distrust all of them.”
(Yet no doubt you’ll vote right-wing in the future, won’t you? So in fact you “distrust” the right a bit less than the left, don’t you? Uh huh. Sure.)
“You seem to forget Democratic policies of forcing banks to sell to poor people who couldn’t afford the homes to beging with.”
I’ve heard this tired old excuse so many times it almost puts me to sleep. Let’s get some facts straight, shall we?
A) The “Democratic policies” you refer to were several years old before ANY sign of trouble occurred in the economy. Awfully funny that it took so long for this trouble to surface, without a single indicator prior to that to illustrate that these policies were in fact the terminal cause. Because, of course, they IN FACT were not.
B) This debacle is most certainly NOT the fault of a few “poor people” defaulting on mortgages they couldn’t afford. Don’t make me laugh. Naturally it’s the inclination of the right wing to blame the uppity poor whenever messes like these arise, but by now it’s a transparent bit of propagandizing that few fall for. And it’s reprehensible at that.
The fact is that the economic mess we’re mired in is due to rampant greed and unbridled deregulation (or failure to regulate) of a banking system which was encouraged by the Right to play dangerous-but-lucrative games with the money they were entrusted with.
“I’d add that our culture was to blame as well – a need for big, immediate gratification.”
And again, another attempt at deflecting blame away from the Right. It is the RIGHT that has touted this lifestyle of immediate gratification ever since the 80s–under the banner heading of it being good for the country and the economy. It is the right that led us into a consumerist self-destructing economic model that built up, over time, to the disaster we now inhabit.
“As for the rest of the world, they created their own similar problems.”
In fact, the rest of the world HAS made mistakes, but this mess in actuality mostly lies at OUR feet. We were the opening breakdown in a chain reaction of failure… and again, as pointed out—the origin of that failure can be laid at the feet of the Right Wing in this country.
“But, if your claim helps you demonize Bush and make you feel ok about yourself……”
It takes little effort to demonize the man who history will show to be clearly one of the worst presidents we have EVER had, bar none.
You know, Steelman, I can blame the Left for a great many things as well, related to any number of current conditions in the world and in our country. In point of fact, there’s plenty of blame for to go around. But this disingenuousness about the Right and Bush in particular is just goddamned intolerable. THIS TIME it’s the fault of the Right, mainly, and Bush and his administration’s policies to a great extent. In fact, I prefer to blame the Right more than Bush himself–blaming Bush lets the Republican party off too easily, because in fact it’s the party that supported, encouraged, and went along with policies that Bush only kept fulfilling–but in fact did not always originate with him.
The remark about history judging Bush better because he “kept us safe” for the eight years of his presidency is also laughable. In point of fact it’s already appearing that history is going to judge Bush and his policies responsible for the lowest ebb in American prestige and power in the entire post-WWII era.
I’d be only too happy to talk about all the mistakes made by the Left in past times—but these attempts to avoid the blame for the debacle of the last 8 years–and the debacle of the current economic mess in particular—are downright sickening.
WOW! You know this comment list started out as a list about “inventions wrongly attributed” and now we’re talking about politics, leftists groups, right wing groups and Bush. Its interesting where these discussions will go. I still love reading the site.
“Hitler was a genocidal maniac intent on racially purifying the world. There is no comparison at all.”
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I’m only comparing the results, not the relative merits of what motivated them. Bush damaged America more than Hitler.
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“Stolen?? Really??? Three major newspapers got involved after the election and confirmed via recount, that Bush did indeed win Florida, which pushed him over the top anyway. I guess you missed that and are happy with you’re talking points.”
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The newspapers didn’t count for the 20,000 vote flip nor the caging which prevented far more than 500 Gore supporters from voting.
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“Oh, and your side didn’t ridicule Bush on every single comment? Hell, your side ridiculed and started to question McCain’s service when it suited. Hypocrisy does not serve you well.”
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First of all, your side was the one who called McCain’s service into question during the Republican primaries in 2000. No Democrat would tolerate that kind of bull*****. We hated when you did it to McCain as much as we hated it when you did it to Kerry. As far as ridiculing Bush, we have contempt for him because he was so *****ing nasty and incompetent. You are ridiculing Gore because he is so intelligent(make that elitist) and because he rightfully took credit for something great that he accomplished, namely ushering the internet technology into the private sector. Oh the horror!