Who doesn’t love a good legend? They are obviously extremely popular owing to the millions of spam emails that fly around the internet every day filled with the latest urban legend waiting for snopes to debunk it. This list looks at some more historical legends which, believe it or not, some people still believe to this day. It seems that no amount of snopesing can debunk them; perhaps listverse will fare better.
An incubus is a demon in male form supposed to lie upon sleepers, especially women, in order to have sexual intercourse with them, according to a number of mythological and legendary traditions. Its female counterpart is the succubus. An incubus may pursue sexual relations with a woman in order to father a child, as in the legend of Merlin, and some sources indicate that it may be identified by its unnaturally cold penis. Religious tradition holds that repeated intercourse with an incubus or succubus may result in the deterioration of health, or even death. A number of secular explanations have been offered for the origin of the incubus legends. They involve the medieval preoccupation with sin, especially sexual sins of women. Victims may have been experiencing waking dreams or sleep paralysis.
The Ten Lost Tribes of Israel refers to the ancient Tribes of Israel that disappeared from the Biblical account after the Kingdom of Israel was destroyed, enslaved and exiled by ancient Assyria. Many groups of Jews have doctrines concerning the continued hidden existence or future public return of these tribes. This is a subject that is partially based upon authenticated and documented historical fact, partially upon written religious tradition and partially upon speculation. There is a vast amount of literature on the Lost Tribes and no specific source can be relied upon for a complete answer. Some scientists have researched the topic, and at various times some have made claims of empirical evidence of the Ten Lost Tribes. However, religious and scriptural sources remain the main sources of the belief that the Ten Lost Tribes have some continuing, though hidden, identity somewhere. It should be noted that the Book of Mormon suggests that the Native Americans are from two of the lost tribes.
The Fountain of Youth is a legendary spring that reputedly restores the youth of anyone who drinks of its waters. Florida (ironically) is often said to be its location, and stories of the fountain are some of the most persistent associated with the state. Eternal youth is a gift frequently sought in myth and legend, and stories of things such as the philosopher’s stone, universal panaceas, and the elixir of life are common throughout Eurasia and elsewhere. Unfortunately, earlier native versions of the legend (from before the Old World became old) are not known outside of what snippets Spanish chroniclers managed to preserve of what is sure to have been a rich tradition.
The Wandering Jew is a figure from medieval Christian folklore whose legend began to spread in Europe in the thirteenth century and became a fixture of Christian mythology, and, later, of Romanticism. The legend concerns a Jew who taunted Jesus on the way to the Crucifixion and was then cursed to walk the earth until the Second Coming. The exact nature of the wanderer’s indiscretion varies in different versions of the tale, as do aspects of his character; sometimes he is said to be a shoemaker or other tradesman, sometimes he is the doorman at Pontius Pilate’s estate. The origins of the legend are debatable; perhaps one element is the story in Genesis of Cain, who is issued with a similar punishment — to wander over the earth, never reaping a harvest again, but scavenging.
Pope Joan (also called La Papessa) is the name of a legendary female pope who supposedly reigned for less than three years in the 850s, between the papacies of Leo IV and Benedict III (though there were only two months between the two reigns). She is known primarily from a legend that circulated in the Middle Ages. Pope Joan is regarded by most modern historians and religious scholars as fictitious, possibly originating as an anti-papal satire. The story of Pope Joan is known mainly from the 13th century chronicler Martin of Opava – writing 500 years after the alleged Popess. Most scholars dismiss Pope Joan as a medieval legend. The Oxford Dictionary of Popes acknowledges that this legend was widely believed for centuries, even among Catholic circles, but declares that there is “no contemporary evidence for a female pope at any of the dates suggested for her reign,” and goes on to say that “the known facts of the respective periods make it impossible to fit [a female pope] in”. For those who are wondering what would happen if this were true (or were to ever be true): nothing; a female is not able to be a priest and a Pope cannot be crowned unless he is a priest first.
Robin Hood is an archetypal figure in English folklore, whose story originates from medieval times, but who remains significant in popular culture where he is known for “stealing from the rich and giving to the poor” and fighting against injustice and tyranny. His band includes a “three score” group of fellow outlawed yeomen – called his “Merry Men.” The origin of the legend is claimed by some to have stemmed from actual outlaws, or from tales of outlaws, such as Hereward the Wake, Eustace the Monk, Fulk FitzWarin, and William Wallace. There are a number of theories that attempt to identify a historical Robin Hood, but for various reasons (such as the popularity of the name in the Middle Ages), it is unlikely to ever come up with any evidence that suggests he is not just a legend.
According to Christian mythology, the Holy Grail was the dish, plate, or cup used by Jesus at the Last Supper, said to possess miraculous powers. The connection of Joseph of Arimathea with the Grail legend dates from Robert de Boron’s Joseph d’Arimathie (late 12th century) in which Joseph receives the Grail from an apparition of Jesus and sends it with his followers to Great Britain. The development of the Grail legend has been traced in detail by cultural historians: It is a legend which first came together in the form of written romances, deriving perhaps from some pre-Christian folklore hints, in the later 12th and early 13th centuries. The early Grail romances centered on Percival and were woven into the more general Arthurian fabric. Some of the Grail legend is interwoven with legends of the Holy Chalice.
King Arthur is a legendary British leader who, according to medieval histories and romances, led the defence of Britain against the Saxon invaders in the early 6th century. The details of Arthur’s story are mainly composed of folklore and literary invention, and his historical existence is debated and disputed by modern historians. The historical basis for the King Arthur legend has long been debated by scholars. One school of thought, citing entries in the Historia Brittonum (History of the Britons) and Annales Cambriae (Welsh Annals), sees Arthur as a genuine historical figure, a Romano-British leader who fought against the invading Anglo-Saxons sometime in the late 5th to early 6th century, but the lack of convincing early evidence is the reason many recent historians exclude Arthur from their accounts of post-Roman Britain.
The Children’s Crusade is the name given to a variety of fictional and factual events which happened in 1212 that combine some or all of these elements: visions by a French or German boy; an intention to peacefully convert Muslims in the Holy Land to Christianity; bands of children marching to Italy; and children being sold into slavery. A study published in 1977 cast doubt on the existence of these events and many historians now believe that they were not (or not primarily) children but multiple bands of “wandering poor” in Germany and France, some of whom tried to reach the Holy Land and others who never intended to do so. Early versions of events, of which there are many variations told over the centuries, are largely apocryphal. Recent research suggests the participants were not children, at least not the very young. The confusion started because later chroniclers, who were not witness to the events of 1212 and who were writing 30 years or more later, began to translate the original accounts and misunderstood the Latin word pueri, meaning “boys”, to mean literally “children”. The original accounts did use the term pueri but it had a slang meaning, similar to how the term “country bumpkins” is used as a derogatory term in the rural United States.
The legends of Prester John, popular in Europe from the 12th through the 17th centuries, told of a Christian patriarch and king said to rule over a Christian nation lost amidst the Muslims and pagans in the Orient. Written accounts of this kingdom are variegated collections of medieval popular fantasy. Reportedly a descendant of one of the Three Magi, Prester John was said to be a generous ruler and a virtuous man, presiding over a realm full of riches and strange creatures, in which the Patriarch of the Saint Thomas Christians resided. His kingdom contained such marvels as the Gates of Alexander and the Fountain of Youth, and even bordered the Earthly Paradise. Among his treasures was a mirror through which every province could be seen, the fabled original from which derived the “speculum literature” of the late Middle Ages and Renaissance, in which the prince’s realms were surveyed and his duties laid out. Despite the non-existence of Prester John, the medieval belief in the legend affected several hundred years of European and world history, directly and indirectly, by encouraging Europe’s explorers, missionaries, scholars and treasure hunters.
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She turned me into a newt!
A newt?
Well I got betta…
#59 THAT was friggen masterful Randall.
You need to play some Mario Kart or go for a walk sometime brother, all that reading is going to rot your brain.
Damn Interne service goes down for a few hours and my (highly eloquent
) post about the trollish nature of AnonX goes in the crapper. Oh well.
Recap: He´s a troll. Ignore it.
Anyway…. Great list Jamie! I had actually never heard of Pope Joan or Prester John. It´s always greatly appreciated when these lists spark new research that allows me to procrastinate at work!!
Me too GTT – but i saved mine:
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Most boils run their course within 4 to 10 days. (good lord let’s hope so)
Randall…that was good!
58. Cedestra: illegal_immigrant in number 37 said it perfectly: “You have to know these things when you’re a king, you know.”
King of Swamp Castle: “Please! This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let’s not bicker and argue over who killed who.”
I too must join in congratulating Randall on an excellent diatribe
since when has “country boy” been a derogatory term? john denver sure was happy to be one….
jfrater, words like “hicks, country bumpkins,” and of course “white trash” are certainly derogatory, but i don’t think “country boy” is automatically an insult (or a commonly used one.)
anyone from “the rural United States” have thoughts on this?
Oouchan, check me out :
http://imagetecphotos.com.au/futsal.php
I’m the fella kicking it – hard – in the 11th pic, of day 1 – FD10019.jpg
We actually won that game too
68. lo : Being “country” here in QLD is a thinly veiled insult – only usable by city people – I don’t know about country boy though.
mark, i agree that a city person saying someone or some thing is “so country” is them implying that it’s unsophisticated, or otherwise inferior to “city” things. i just don’t think “country boy” is commonly used -other than by people of rural origins who’ve “reclaimed” it a la john denver and other country singers celebrating their “non-city” ways.
Im a country boy from the southern U.S. It`s not a derogatory term. It just means your not from the city.
Also you have different skills than city boys as far as getting along in the world.
lo: perhaps it is a city thing – but I agree that country bumpkin is definitely clearer. I will change it.
Lo: I’m a country girl too. Rural Illinois by the way. I agree with you. Country boy/girl isn’t bad but the other are.
Mark: You kinda look like Kevin Bacon in that picture. (lol) You were playing hard there too it looks like! Thanks for the pics!
What was the score for the game? Also, take a stroll through the forums. My kid and I are there.
Uhhhh…. AnonX, or Mom_424…I accidentally clicked the link under “Report Abuse” on one of your comments. I’m sure it won’t make a difference, but I thought I’d let you know.
For those who are really interested in these Medieval legends…the majority of them and more are incorporated into Umberto Eco’s book “Baudolino” which is a fantastic read! He is a young Italian boy in the 12th century who goes out to seek the kingdom of Prester John.
It should also be noted that the Wandering Jew is also connected with The Count St. Germain.
The story of the Wandering Jew comes from Matthew 16:28, where Jesus says:
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.”
As hundreds of years had passed since then, the story of the Wandering Jew was created to explain why the Second Coming had not yet occurred.
Oh number 10! The first thing I thought of when I read that was sleep paralysis. I was glad to see it mentioned.
For anyone who doesn’t know what that is:
“Physiologically, sleep paralysis is closely related to the paralysis that occurs as a natural part of REM (rapid eye movement) sleep, which is known as REM atonia. [MY NOTE: Your body is paralyzed while you are dreaming so that you don't act out your dreams.] Sleep paralysis occurs when the brain awakes from a REM state, but the body paralysis persists. This leaves the person fully conscious, but unable to move. The paralysis can last from several seconds to several minutes “after which the individual may experience panic symptoms and the realization that the distorted perceptions were false”.”
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis)
I have it sometimes. It’s HORRIBLE, even though I know what it is. There is a very weird sensation that someone is lying full length along my back (I sleep on my side) and pressing into me. It’s easy to see how the incubus/succubus legend and other beliefs about nocturnal demonic visitations could have come from this.
Do you mean that Erroll Flynn was actually Robin Hood?–I thought he was just a Hollywood actor.Boy,you live and learn. Is Danny Devito actually Friar Tuck?
1st one’s interesting.
74. oouchan : You can check all the scores out here if you’re interested :
http://vikingspacificregional.sportzvault.com/common/pages/public/rv/draw.aspx?entityid=30829
We’re Central Queensland in the U/17′s.
“…You were playing hard there too it looks like! Thanks for the pics!…”
Yes, I does appear that wayd doesn’t it? If I remember correctly that was a low, hard (sort of?) shot that didn’t go more than two feet due to the legs of a defender
– and you’re welcome, there’s plenty of sweet pictures there, not just of the boys either
“…Also, take a stroll through the forums. My kid and I are there.”
LOL! She looks just like you
Oh yeah, the other orange team were Mid North NSW – they sucked – the light green were South West QLD – they finished top on points but lost the finals – white and red were Brisbane South – the most frustrating game ever, I missed a one-on-one with the keeper and we lost
– dark blue were Brisbane East – we came back from 3-2 to win and I scored the equalizer
– and the light blue team were Wide Bay – I scored 2! Yays!
Hope that helps
Fantastic list jfrater, educational and interesting!
Mark: It does help. I will go back through the photos again. I just showed them to the kid and she thinks you are cute! Yeah..she looks just like me. I had a clone instead of a kid. Can’t deny her if I tried.
jfrater- glad to make a helpful suggestion
and to the country boys/girls out there, good to see you representing!
i’m originally a suburban (chicago) girl, but i love the country.
oouchan, i live in carbondale now, maybe we’re almost neighbors? did you know that a straight shot measurement from edinburgh all the way to london is a bit less then from chicago to southern illinois? makes conceptualizing the US/UK geography for stuff like the “UK misconceptions” list fascinating, don’t you think?
85 lo: I have a good friend who lives in Bond County which isn’t too far from Carbondale, actually she lived there a few years ago. It was through her that the very differences in our geographies you mention were made starkly clear to me. My definition of “a long way” and hers are vastly different. It’s funny how our perceptions of these things, which would seem pretty objective on the face of it, are so much influenced by our experience.
lo….I was born in Rockford! I have moved from there but I have always been a country girl. Lived in Indiana, Illinois, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and now Arizona. With the exception of PA and AZ, the others were rural areas. In IL I lived on a farm. Still miss it even now.
I agree…geography is an easy target for misconceptions. Sounds like another list could come from that….mmmmmmm.
84. oouchan : Well that’s good, sort of. We really should’ve made the finals – we absolutely spurned the Brisbane South and Wide Bay games – but after 7 games in three days, I was ok with a break.
“…I just showed them to the kid and she thinks you are cute!…”
Should I be worried right about now?
“…Yeah..she looks just like me. I had a clone instead of a kid…”
Why change it if the orignal was so good hey?
86. Spange : Agreed. When my family and I travelled to NZ their idea of a “long drive” was two hours. It takes me at least three to get home from school, and that’s a short trip over her in Australia, especically places like QLD and WA. It takes 10 hours from my home and 6-7 from my school to get down to Brisbane – the capital city of QLD – that is like the length of both the the islands of NZ combined!
88. Mark:
“Should I be worried right about now?”
No…she thinks most boys are cute. But since you are very far away…you are safe.
“Why change it if the orignal was so good hey?”
So true! Got myself a carbon copy kid. It amazes everyone that she is so similar to me. Even better I have had some ask if I am her sister…makes me feel real good to hear that. Now how’s that for old?
90. oouchan : “…No…she thinks most boys are cute. But since you are very far away…you are safe…”
What’s this I hear? Dissing your own daughter while she isn’t here to stand up for herself… I expected better from you.
“…Now how’s that for old?”
Well… She does kinda look a little old for her age…
Part of, or a result of, the pope Joan myth is the fact that every new elected pope is supposed to be put upon a trone with a hole in it. Upon wich one of the bishops pokes a feel and is supposed to say “Habet duos testes, et bene pendentes”. (he has two and they are hanging well) Thus making sure the new pope is a man and testifying to this fact to the world.
I’m from the Chicago suburbs as well. Seeems we have a community here.
Did you hear the one about the wandering Jew who married Rhoda Dendron. Her brother was Phil O’Dendron.
91. Mark: Not dissing her…it was all in fun. She got a laugh out of it, too.
I will have her reply then. Her nick is dead_girl.
So now you are calling her old? If that is the case, you must be ancient! (of course, without saying, I would be a relic!)
And Crispin Crispian shall ne’er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd;
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England, now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.
HENRY V
91. Mark: im not old! im only 13. so that must mean your 160 XD.
im just kidding mark.
94. oouchan: Nice one mom XP
94. oouchan : Lols. I did say that she looks old *for her age*, I’m not so sure about you though…
96. dead_girl : I was actually going to ask if you were going to show up anytime soon. I guess I got my answer
Mark: I don’t look my age. I still get carded..which sucks, but is a nice moral booster!
dead_girl: hi, dear!
97. Mark: yeah my mom told me and i did not think that was nice but i forgive you. and i say hi
98. oouchan: ok i think thats funny mom
“I still get carded..which sucks, but is a nice moral booster” XD
98. oouchan : Hi dear? Yuck! More love on LV, my heads gonna asplode soon
99. dead_girl : Likewise, I forgive you for being oouchan’s daughter, you’re the source of a lot of debate and discussion here, most of which I come out of worse for wear… Hi!
JFrater: I just had a great idea I would like to run past you (Ok..I admit I’m halfway thru a one liter bottle of Johnny Walker Red scotch whiskey)–Oouchan’s post actually gave me the idea–Why not have it so everyone can upload a recent picture of themselves that would appear in the upper left hand corner of their posts? I think that would be fun. Of course members wouldn’t have to if they didn’t want to. They could upload a picture of their favorite pet or movie star or whatever–Just a thought.
101. smithstar15: I second that! Not that anyone would want to see ugly old me, but that would be a neat idea. Something small, like one of the avatars on the forums? It would have to go through an approval process first to keep it clean.
Oouchan–It’s been my experience that young women who say they are ugly are just the opposite–And I imagine that would be so with you too.
But yeah,small like an avatar–and maybe you could click on it and see an enlargement–I think it would be great fun–And we wouldn’t have to guess who’s male and who’s female–Well,most of the time anyway-LOL–
Thanks for seconding my idea–
smithstar15….Thanks for that. I am peeved that I didn’t think of this idea first. But glad someone did!
LOL
oouchan:
Actually I would not have gotten the idea without your post.So really you can say it IS your idea.
Or maybe we could have a separate “profile page” with a pic and a small bio–
100. Mark: hahaha very funny mark and what do you mean im in most of the debats and discussion here???
108. dead_girl: That’s because I always talk about you.
Mark…glad you know where you stand.
109. oouchan: oh…..ok!
107 smithstar15: Or maybe we could have a separate “profile page” with a pic and a small bio–
You just continue to outdo yourself.
amazing as to how fake stories are concocted around…
I loved this list
I knew most of these were (at least) legends, but I didn’t know about the Children’s Crusade…
And I have honestly NEVER heard of #1.
Anyway… A great book has been written about the Children’s Crusade. I don’t know if it’s available in English, but it has also been made into a movie (Crusade in Jeans or something like that)
The Dutch title is Kruistocht in spijkerbroek. It’s written by Thea Beckman and it’s one of my favourite books ever =D
109. oouchan/110. dead_girl : Don’t you two live in the same house or something like that?
114. Mark: She doesn’t read all of the comments. I have told her but it seems she didn’t put the 2 together. That happens.
115. oouchan : Lucky, lucky woman
I, too, was taught that the Children’s Crusade actually happened back in high school. I have never heard of #1 and my biggest historical interest is medieval England.
I would have liked to see something on excommunication – the medieval way of lashing back at kings who didn’t listen to the Pope. It was interesting how the Pope would punish royalty who got in his way. In excommunicating the king of the country, it also punished its people.
Great list though!! Loved it.
@59.Randall:
Would you care to ellaborate on that reference to Descartes? That sounded like a rant! From what I’ve heard from you in these forums, I wouldn’t think you’d diminish Descartes’ place and importance in the history of science – more specifically, in the making of modern science.
Cheers!
POTSW:
Do I have to actually defend Descartes now?
Re-read what I wrote, but read it CAREFULLY this time. I wasn’t calling Descartes a fool or a bad philosopher or mathematician. Nor was I diminishing Descartes’ place in, as you say, the “making of modern science” (though I do think there’s a great deal to be said for the latter day criticisms of the Cartesian view of things–particularly dualism–which has been written about by Fritjof Capra, amongst others).
What I SAID was that, Descartes, like most other French philosophers, was a party to an oddly and uniquely French intellectual flaw. I don’t know what you’d call it; I personally like–and used–Kenneth Clarke’s phrase to describe it–”tidy mindedness.”
Descartes was a great man and certainly a great intellect. But he was also wrong and ill-informed about several things, and yet, like many French intellects, he was rather dogmatic about what he believed to be true and believed to be not true. That, more or less, forms the essence (if an overly-simplistic description) of what I was getting at.
Randall,
thank you for the answer. I actually read what you wrote carefully, and what I meant was not that you were diminishing Descartes but, au contraire, that I was quite sure you wouldn’t do it. I may not have been clear about it.
My question rephrased would be, where is it in Descartes thought that you find this sort of dogmatism? But you have already answered – at least partly.
If we were to compare Descartes’ positions to, say, Hume’s, it would have been quite clear who the dogmatist would have been (and I find Hume’s critique of Descartes way more interesting than Capra’s, which I find quite weak). And even though Hume’s critique is great, it changed ways in the realms of philosophy (via Kant), but not in science.
But the fun thing would be that the cartesian dogmatism helped to overthrow the aristotelic dogmatism, without being made of the same fabric of the latter.
Cheers!
POTSW:
All very true, and I agree.
I lumped Descartes in with all the other French philosophers, and I maintain that this was justified. But let’s put it this way: I’ve always had less of a problem with Descartes than with Diderot, and less a problem with Diderot than with Metz, Foucault, Barzun, and the like. (I’m not sure how much of a problem I have with Rousseau). Perhaps it’s just that the French have become… annoying… over the years.
But note… Capra’s criticism of Descartes is from the vantage point of our own time. Hume’s wasn’t. Hume was, it’s safe to say, smarter than Capra though.
But even Capra acknowledged Descartes’ importance, validity, and innate correctness *for his time* and for a good period after. But to say we’ve grown out of that, now, and that it was inadequate in the end, is not wrong.
And a further point: while Aristotle was wrong about a great many things, and represented a frame of mind which should never have held sway over science (and certainly not for as long as it did) I’m not sure I’d accuse him of having been a dogmatist, in the pure sense. He was, rather, made INTO a dogma by subsequent generations. But that might be nitpicking. In any case, yes–it was a good thing that Cartesian thinking overturned that, and a good thing now that we’re re-examining Cartesian philosophy and, hopefully, moving away from it to some extent.