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		<title>By: pozcyseo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Feb 2012 05:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ed Buckby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Buckby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 13:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The responsibility does belong to the posessor, but having someone wishing to kill you with a weapon is more dangerous than someone without a weapon.  If someone comes at me with a knife, I might be able to run for it, or if appropriate, grab the nearest solid object and fight it out. Against a gun there’s very little recourse. Gun also do not protect oneself against other guns, because the first person to shoot has much greater odds of being the victor.

Someone who TRULY wishes to kill you is dangerous regardless of what weapons are legal or not.  For someone who wishes to commit murder, the threat of a firearms charge on top of a murder charge isn’t much of a deterrent.  In the US where getting a firearm is relatively easy, strangulation, poisoning, and stabbing are still used rather frequently.  Anyone who truly wishes you dead and has little or no regard for their own safety is most likely going to be successful.  They have a higher rate of success if their target has no access to effective protection.  If you and I are alone in a room, unarmed, and I want you dead, shoelaces make a wonderful weapon.

As for your assertion that guns are no protection against guns, I offer up almost any armed conflict since the implementation of gunpowder.  Anyone who shot BACK at their opponent and hit them refutes your assertion.  I would also offer up a couple of hundred years of pistol dueling as evidence, as well.  Many times one participant rushed a shot and missed while the other aimed more carefully and came out alive.  Also, if ANY pistol duel went more than one round, obviously there wasn’t that big of an advantage to shooting first.

Short of explosives, firearms ARE the best defense against other firearms.  More importantly they are a deterrent against gun crime.  Criminals typically don’t want a challenge or danger.  If they were that ambitious or daring, odds are they either wouldn’t be criminals, or they wouldn’t be street criminals.  A thug with a knife or even a gun most likely is going to shy away from targets that they either know or strongly suspect are armed and, even worse, trained.  For example, the local city near me many years ago had a rash of carjackings, and in many cases, the people were beaten, stabbed, and a few shot.  We changed the law to state that carjacking in any form can be considered a lethal threat, and therefore lethal force in defense was legal.  Three or four dead carjackers later, and the criminals went back to stealing empty cars.  Criminals don’t respect the law, but they DO fear for their lives.  Sometimes you must speak in their language.

I understand the point you’re making i.e. a gun makes killing someone easier.  That works both ways i.e. offense and defense.  What you might overlook is that it also allows for a weaker person to defend themselves.  You say if someone has a knife you might be able to run and find an improvised weapon.  Fine enough.  Let’s say the thug misses you, you grab a rock, and face your opponent.  He’s 6’6” and 300 pounds.  You’re female, 105 pounds, and 63 years old.  Would you rather have that rock or would you rather have a firearm that you’ve been shooting for years?  Firearms, better than any other tool, equalize physical traits in a fight.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The responsibility does belong to the posessor, but having someone wishing to kill you with a weapon is more dangerous than someone without a weapon.  If someone comes at me with a knife, I might be able to run for it, or if appropriate, grab the nearest solid object and fight it out. Against a gun there’s very little recourse. Gun also do not protect oneself against other guns, because the first person to shoot has much greater odds of being the victor.</p>
<p>Someone who TRULY wishes to kill you is dangerous regardless of what weapons are legal or not.  For someone who wishes to commit murder, the threat of a firearms charge on top of a murder charge isn’t much of a deterrent.  In the US where getting a firearm is relatively easy, strangulation, poisoning, and stabbing are still used rather frequently.  Anyone who truly wishes you dead and has little or no regard for their own safety is most likely going to be successful.  They have a higher rate of success if their target has no access to effective protection.  If you and I are alone in a room, unarmed, and I want you dead, shoelaces make a wonderful weapon.</p>
<p>As for your assertion that guns are no protection against guns, I offer up almost any armed conflict since the implementation of gunpowder.  Anyone who shot BACK at their opponent and hit them refutes your assertion.  I would also offer up a couple of hundred years of pistol dueling as evidence, as well.  Many times one participant rushed a shot and missed while the other aimed more carefully and came out alive.  Also, if ANY pistol duel went more than one round, obviously there wasn’t that big of an advantage to shooting first.</p>
<p>Short of explosives, firearms ARE the best defense against other firearms.  More importantly they are a deterrent against gun crime.  Criminals typically don’t want a challenge or danger.  If they were that ambitious or daring, odds are they either wouldn’t be criminals, or they wouldn’t be street criminals.  A thug with a knife or even a gun most likely is going to shy away from targets that they either know or strongly suspect are armed and, even worse, trained.  For example, the local city near me many years ago had a rash of carjackings, and in many cases, the people were beaten, stabbed, and a few shot.  We changed the law to state that carjacking in any form can be considered a lethal threat, and therefore lethal force in defense was legal.  Three or four dead carjackers later, and the criminals went back to stealing empty cars.  Criminals don’t respect the law, but they DO fear for their lives.  Sometimes you must speak in their language.</p>
<p>I understand the point you’re making i.e. a gun makes killing someone easier.  That works both ways i.e. offense and defense.  What you might overlook is that it also allows for a weaker person to defend themselves.  You say if someone has a knife you might be able to run and find an improvised weapon.  Fine enough.  Let’s say the thug misses you, you grab a rock, and face your opponent.  He’s 6’6” and 300 pounds.  You’re female, 105 pounds, and 63 years old.  Would you rather have that rock or would you rather have a firearm that you’ve been shooting for years?  Firearms, better than any other tool, equalize physical traits in a fight.</p>
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		<title>By: shirija</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2012 10:20:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The responsibility does belong to the posessor, but having someone wishing to kill you with a weapon is more dangerous than someone without a weapon. If someone comes at me with a knife, I might be able to run for it, or if appropriate, grab the nearest solid object and fight it out. Against a gun there&#039;s very little recourse. Gun also do not protect oneself against other guns, because the first person to shoot has much greater odds of being the victor. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The responsibility does belong to the posessor, but having someone wishing to kill you with a weapon is more dangerous than someone without a weapon. If someone comes at me with a knife, I might be able to run for it, or if appropriate, grab the nearest solid object and fight it out. Against a gun there&#8217;s very little recourse. Gun also do not protect oneself against other guns, because the first person to shoot has much greater odds of being the victor.</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Buckby</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Buckby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No problem!  I&#039;ve actually read reports from Eastern Front action where there would be a long exchange of gunfire where the weapon and soldier would get hot or sweatty, and then when the action was over, gloves or even hands would freeze to their weapon.

Glock has got a solid lubricant that doesn&#039;t freeze for such cold weather work.  Duck hunters, for years, have fought similar problems.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No problem!  I&#8217;ve actually read reports from Eastern Front action where there would be a long exchange of gunfire where the weapon and soldier would get hot or sweatty, and then when the action was over, gloves or even hands would freeze to their weapon.</p>
<p>Glock has got a solid lubricant that doesn&#8217;t freeze for such cold weather work.  Duck hunters, for years, have fought similar problems.</p>
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		<title>By: peter8172</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 22:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Ed Buckby. Thank You for straighten me out on the Glock and never would it have crossed my mind about the elements of subfreezing temperature and still firing. Now you have me thinking as to conventional warfare during WWII and the Germans raiding the Russians where the temperatures would go down to -40 to -50 degrees and how their rifles and guns would operate or any hand held weapon during that time. Thanks again, I have learned something new today ! ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Ed Buckby. Thank You for straighten me out on the Glock and never would it have crossed my mind about the elements of subfreezing temperature and still firing. Now you have me thinking as to conventional warfare during WWII and the Germans raiding the Russians where the temperatures would go down to -40 to -50 degrees and how their rifles and guns would operate or any hand held weapon during that time. Thanks again, I have learned something new today !</p>
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		<title>By: Ed Buckby</title>
		<link>http://listverse.com/2009/10/07/top-10-greatest-firearms-in-history/comment-page-15/#comment-456471</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Buckby]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 21:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think the confusion in the &quot;sand&quot; reference stems from one of the stress tests used for firearm evaluation.  It involves burying the weapon in sand for some x period of time, then digging the weapon up, SHAKING IT OUT, and then test fire the weapon.  Depending upon the testing criteria, the weapon is either loaded or unloaded during the test.

Glocks have passed this test both for the US military and other countries with no significant issue.  What&#039;s left out is the &quot;shaken out&quot; part.  It&#039;s highly unlikely (bordering on impossible) for almost any conventional firearm to fire with the barrel full of sand or almost any other foreign material.  Glocks DO perform once shaken out by hand.  Granted, there is plenty of sand left all over the weapon including the mechanism and probably some in the barrel.  On the other hand, the weapon&#039;s barrel is not full of sand.

Glock isn&#039;t the only weapon to pass this test.

A test Glock DOES do particularly well is firing in extremely cold conditions.  Many weapons will either freeze up (lubricants) or will lose enough mechanical tolerances to cause inoperation.  Glocks have a significantly positive history and reputation for cold firing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the confusion in the &#8220;sand&#8221; reference stems from one of the stress tests used for firearm evaluation.  It involves burying the weapon in sand for some x period of time, then digging the weapon up, SHAKING IT OUT, and then test fire the weapon.  Depending upon the testing criteria, the weapon is either loaded or unloaded during the test.</p>
<p>Glocks have passed this test both for the US military and other countries with no significant issue.  What&#8217;s left out is the &#8220;shaken out&#8221; part.  It&#8217;s highly unlikely (bordering on impossible) for almost any conventional firearm to fire with the barrel full of sand or almost any other foreign material.  Glocks DO perform once shaken out by hand.  Granted, there is plenty of sand left all over the weapon including the mechanism and probably some in the barrel.  On the other hand, the weapon&#8217;s barrel is not full of sand.</p>
<p>Glock isn&#8217;t the only weapon to pass this test.</p>
<p>A test Glock DOES do particularly well is firing in extremely cold conditions.  Many weapons will either freeze up (lubricants) or will lose enough mechanical tolerances to cause inoperation.  Glocks have a significantly positive history and reputation for cold firing.</p>
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		<title>By: peter8172</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 20:14:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ david. Pouring sand down the barrel of a Glock 9mm and be reduced to junk ?? Not according to my older brother, a 20+ year veteran Senior Chief Petty Officer of the  US NAVY whose rating was Anti-Submarine Warfare and flew on PC-3 Orions and was a sharp shooter in the NAVY. He said you can run over a Glock 9 mm handgun (which is what I believe that you are referring to) with a Sherman Tank and do anything you want to it to permanently damage it, and it will still fire. In his 20+ years, he never saw a Glock 9 mm ever fail to perform. Why do you think policeman carry them at all times ?? ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ david. Pouring sand down the barrel of a Glock 9mm and be reduced to junk ?? Not according to my older brother, a 20+ year veteran Senior Chief Petty Officer of the  US NAVY whose rating was Anti-Submarine Warfare and flew on PC-3 Orions and was a sharp shooter in the NAVY. He said you can run over a Glock 9 mm handgun (which is what I believe that you are referring to) with a Sherman Tank and do anything you want to it to permanently damage it, and it will still fire. In his 20+ years, he never saw a Glock 9 mm ever fail to perform. Why do you think policeman carry them at all times ??</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jan 2012 13:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pour sand down the barrel? Yes it will fire...and promptly be reduced to junk. This article is full of either misinformation and or ignorance]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pour sand down the barrel? Yes it will fire&#8230;and promptly be reduced to junk. This article is full of either misinformation and or ignorance</p>
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		<title>By: J.Gray</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[J.Gray]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2012 08:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[m1 garand?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>m1 garand?</p>
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		<title>By: Gun Nut</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gun Nut]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jan 2012 23:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost every description is *way* off. 
//which is sufficient to cut a man in half
False, not even remotely true.
//The Glock is the ultimate in modern reliability
False, the Glock is the _standard_ for a reliable pistol, because it&#039;s the standard in almost every field. What is truly revolutionary in this gun is its polymer frame and &#039;safe action&#039;
//a 10 round magazine, compared to 8
The Mauser has a 5 round internal mag, not 8 round. Besides the SMLE and K98k are not even remotely related.
//The rifle is accurate to 1,000 yards with open sights
Accuracy is not affected by the sights, usability is. Btw, it&#039;s accurate to around 500 yards and with open sights usable to around 3-400y.
//the most awe-inspiring shoulder-fired cartridge to date
One answer: 14.5x114mm
//1,200 rounds per minute
More like 500 RPM.
//Special Sabot rounds can go clean through tanks.
That&#039;s something even a 30x173mm armour piercing depleted uranium shell won&#039;t do. Keep on dreaming.
//Its caliber was sufficient to flip a charging man backward off his feet.
Not even the 50 BMG has so much momentum. The author obviously watched too many movies.
//568 foot-pounds of stopping power, more than enough to put a man down
&#039;Stopping power&#039; has nothing to do with energy or momentum.
//Every bit as rugged and reliable as the AK-47
The 1911 is known for many things, like it&#039;s good accuracy, quality of finish and great ergonomics. Being reliable isn&#039;t one of them though. Because of it&#039;s very precise finish with a lot of pins and moving parts, it tends to jam when exposed to dirt, mud and sand. It was one of it&#039;s few shortcomings.

Overall a very badly written piece, by someone who has not the slightest clue about these mentioned firearms.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost every description is *way* off.<br />
//which is sufficient to cut a man in half<br />
False, not even remotely true.<br />
//The Glock is the ultimate in modern reliability<br />
False, the Glock is the _standard_ for a reliable pistol, because it&#8217;s the standard in almost every field. What is truly revolutionary in this gun is its polymer frame and &#8216;safe action&#8217;<br />
//a 10 round magazine, compared to 8<br />
The Mauser has a 5 round internal mag, not 8 round. Besides the SMLE and K98k are not even remotely related.<br />
//The rifle is accurate to 1,000 yards with open sights<br />
Accuracy is not affected by the sights, usability is. Btw, it&#8217;s accurate to around 500 yards and with open sights usable to around 3-400y.<br />
//the most awe-inspiring shoulder-fired cartridge to date<br />
One answer: 14.5x114mm<br />
//1,200 rounds per minute<br />
More like 500 RPM.<br />
//Special Sabot rounds can go clean through tanks.<br />
That&#8217;s something even a 30x173mm armour piercing depleted uranium shell won&#8217;t do. Keep on dreaming.<br />
//Its caliber was sufficient to flip a charging man backward off his feet.<br />
Not even the 50 BMG has so much momentum. The author obviously watched too many movies.<br />
//568 foot-pounds of stopping power, more than enough to put a man down<br />
&#8216;Stopping power&#8217; has nothing to do with energy or momentum.<br />
//Every bit as rugged and reliable as the AK-47<br />
The 1911 is known for many things, like it&#8217;s good accuracy, quality of finish and great ergonomics. Being reliable isn&#8217;t one of them though. Because of it&#8217;s very precise finish with a lot of pins and moving parts, it tends to jam when exposed to dirt, mud and sand. It was one of it&#8217;s few shortcomings.</p>
<p>Overall a very badly written piece, by someone who has not the slightest clue about these mentioned firearms.</p>
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