The Nobel prize for peace. It is a controversial award having been granted to many who seemingly don’t deserve it, and not granted to those who do. This list looks at ten people who were robbed of the prize.
Irena Sendler was a Polish Catholic who died in 2008. From 1939 to 1945, she personally saved the lives of 2,500 Jewish children from the Warsaw Ghetto. She forged identification papers, passports, sheltered them in children’s homes throughout Warsaw.
The Gestapo caught her in 1943 and severely tortured her for the location of the Jews she had extricated from the Ghetto. She refused to give them up. She was sentenced to death and saved by a bribe to the Nazi officer in charge, who simply left her in deep in a forest with all four limbs broken.
She recovered and went right back to work saving Jews from the Ghetto. She was nominated in 2007, but was passed over in favor of Al Gore. She was 98 when she died.
Mohandas Gandhi was murdered in 1948. He began his work for Indian independence from Britain in 1916 and finally succeeded in 1947, when Louis Mountbatten relinquished India from Britain to the Indians. One man, by himself, Gandhi has been credited with defeating the British Empire singlehandedly, without raising one finger in violence.
He was nominated in 5 years, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1947, and 1948. 19 people nominated him in those years, especially Ole Colbjornsen, member of the Norwegian Parliament, who nominated him the first 3 times. In the years between 1939 and 1947, he was either not nominated by anyone, or the Swedish Academy refused to consider nominations during the War. Likewise, in the years preceding 1937, not one person on Earth nominated him.
A rule stipulates that death before being awarded the Prize renders one ineligible for it, nominated or not. But I think the Academy could have given it to him posthumously, and no one would have complained. In which case, they could still award it to him for the year 1948. He could certainly replace Cordell Hull, for 1945. Hull is mentioned on another Listverse list.
It is possible that his “experiments” with under-aged children (item 8) reduced his chances of receiving the prize, but as earlier stated, most people would probably not object to his having been awarded the prize despite them.
The head of the Edhi Foundation, based in Pakistan, he is a philanthropist, who in 1951 opened a small medical shop in Karachi, using his own meager funds, with the sole intention of helping anyone who came in. He had learned little about medicine, but wanted to help people. He claims that he does so because he enjoys it, in the same way that an evil man enjoys hurting people.
He has been treating everyone in the Karachi area, and all areas where his branches are located, over the whole world. He treats people at extremely low cost. He began the Edhi Foundation with donations from friends and supporters around Karachi, and the Foundation is a free maternity clinic and nursing school. Students may enroll at absolutely no cost. Tuition, books, and other equipment are free.
Karachi suffered a flu outbreak in 1957, and Edhi immediately set up tents in which he and his faculty treated everyone for free. He bought an ambulance with donations, which he personally drove to accidents, and to his own clinic, or to hospitals. The Edhi Foundation has a $10 million budget, but Edhi refuses to take any of the money for himself. As he is still alive, it is not entirely fair that he should be on this list, as he may win in the future. But I thought it fitting, given the recent 2009 Peace Prize, and the fact that he was considered for it also.
Jose Figueres Ferrer was the President of Costa Rica 3 times, and during his first term, he granted women the right to vote, stating that while men may be stronger, there is no difference between male and female mental faculties. He abolished his country’s army, arguing that only a police force is necessary for domestic law enforcement, and that an army only exists for the promise of invading another country; he did not believe any country around him wanted to invade Costa Rica.
After nationalizing Costa Rica’s banking and creating a welfare state, he outlawed Communism. Ferrer oversaw the writing of a new constitution, guaranteed state managed public education for every citizen, gave citizenship to the children of black immigrants, and established a civil service bureaucracy.
He graduated from Munich University in 1932, and was appointed as a diplomatic secretary in Turkey, then in Vienna in 1937. The next year, Hitler annexed Austria, and Ho was promoted to Consul-General of the Chinese Embassy in Vienna.
After Kristallnacht, everyone in Austria knew full well the predicament facing the 200,000 Jews throughout the country. Their only hope was to escape from Europe, and this was possible only with exit visas. The Evian Conference of 1938 caused 38 countries to refuse Jews immigration, and Ho was ordered by Chen Jie, the Chinese ambassador to Berlin, not to provide visas for Jews.
Ho endangered himself for all six years of the War by refusing to obey this order. He issued 1906 visas by 27 October 1938, some for Jews, some not. How many Jews he saved will never be ascertained, but given that he issued almost 2,000 in only his first 6 months, he may have saved thousands of lives. Whoever saves one life saves the world entire. He was 96 when he died. He has been nicknamed “China’s Schindler.”
He has been called “the Mexican Martin Luther King.” He found working conditions appalling for common Latino laborers in California, and co-founded the National Farm Workers Association, which is now called United Farm Workers. He organized civil rights activism, and became the Community Service Organization’s national director in 1958. His efforts to gain higher wages and better working conditions for farm laborers finally succeeded in 1966.
After that, he fought to restrict illegal immigrants from entering the U. S. and taking jobs from legal Mexican citizens. His birthday is a state holiday in California. He died in 1993, and the next year was awarded the Medal of Freedom from Bill Clinton.
After Nelson Mandela was imprisoned in 1964, Steve Biko became the primary authority of the anti-Apartheid movement in South Africa. He founded the Black Consciousness Movement and advocated a worldwide “brotherhood of man.”
He was the primary architect of the protests that reached a head at the Soweto Uprising in June, 1976. He preached non-violence, which was not entirely heeded, and the uprising resulted in Apartheid police slaughtering school children at random in the crowds.
They then targeted Biko and finally caught him, and beat him to death, from 11 September to 12 September, 1977.
Dorothy Day (November 8, 1897 – November 29, 1980) was an American journalist, distributist, and devout Catholic convert. In the 1930s, Day worked closely with fellow activist Peter Maurin to establish the Catholic Worker movement, a nonviolent, pacifist, movement that continues to combine direct aid for the poor and homeless with nonviolent direct action on their behalf. A revered figure within segments of the U.S. Catholic community, Day is being considered for sainthood by the Catholic Church. Day has been the recipient of numerous posthumous honors and awards. Among them: in 1992, she received the Courage of Conscience Award from the Peace Abbey, and in 2001, she was inducted into the National Women’s Hall of Fame in Seneca Falls, New York.
Oskar Schindler was the most famous member of the Avenue of the Righteous. He saved 1,200 Jews from the Nazis by employing them in his munitions factories from 1943 to the end of the War. He therefore placed himself in extreme mortal peril constantly during that time, as the Nazis knew full well that his workers were Jewish.
He was very persuasive, having paid millions to the Nazi Party up to that time, and insisted that his workers were more useful to the Wehrmacht by manufacturing pots, pans, and ammunition. But secretly, he had his workers sabotage the ammunition so it would not function.
On April 28, 1935, four years before the War even started, Eugenio Pacelli (soon to become Pope Pius XII) gave a speech that aroused the attention of the world press. Speaking to an audience of 250,000 pilgrims in Lourdes, France, the future Pius XII stated that the Nazis “are in reality only miserable plagiarists who dress up old errors with new tinsel. It does not make any difference whether they flock to the banners of social revolution, whether they are guided by a false concept of the world and of life, or whether they are possessed by the superstition of a race and blood cult.” During the war (when Pacelli had become Pope) he spoke out strongly in defense of the Jews with the first mass arrests in 1943, and L’Osservatore Romano carried an article protesting the internment of Jews and the confiscation of their property. The Fascist press came to call the Vatican paper ‘a mouthpiece of the Jews.’
Prior to the Nazi invasion, the Pope had been working hard to get Jews out of Italy by emigration; he now was forced to turn his attention to finding them hiding places: “[t]he Pope sent out the order that religious buildings were to give refuge to Jews, even at the price of great personal sacrifice on the part of their occupants; he released monasteries and convents from the cloister rule forbidding entry into these religious houses to all but a few specified outsiders, so that they could be used as hiding places. Thousands of Jews — the figures run from 4,000 to 7,000 — were hidden, fed, clothed, and bedded in the 180 known places of refuge in Vatican City, churches and basilicas, Church administrative buildings, and parish houses. Unknown numbers of Jews were sheltered in Castel Gandolfo, the site of the Pope’s summer residence, private homes, hospitals, and nursing institutions; and the Pope took personal responsibility for the care of the children of Jews deported from Italy.”
The consequences of the actions of Venerable Pope Pius XII in defense of the Jews were such that the Chief Rabbi of Rome (Rabbi Zolli) during WWII converted to Catholicism and changed his name to Eugenio (out of reverence for the Pope). [Source]























November 4th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Awesome list!
November 4th, 2009 at 2:03 am
nice list……….
November 4th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Jeez…flamehorse lists just keep popping up every second day. Great list anyway!!
November 4th, 2009 at 2:20 am
steve biko
November 4th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Wow. I can’t fathom the fact that Gandhi is no.9 on this list. (you forgot to mention the huge service he rendered for which he is remembered in South Africa)
November 4th, 2009 at 2:26 am
Top list, they all deserved the Nobel Prize. Well done Flamehorse on another fantastic list!
November 4th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Great list, but missing Japanese diplomat Chiune Sugihara.
Similar to #6 here but from my recollection issued many more visas to Jews in Kaunas, Lithuania.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:41 am
We are such a small country that even our great men seem to be forgot…
“Aristides de Sousa Mendes do Amaral e Abranches,1885–April 3, 1954; was a Portuguese diplomat who ignored and defied the orders of his own government for the safety of war refugees fleeing from invading German military forces in the early years of World War II. Between the June 16 and June 23, 1940, he frantically issued Portuguese visas free of charge, to over 30,000 refugees seeking to escape the Nazi terror, 12,000 of whom were Jews.”
He saved thousands of people, lost his career, his family, and died in poverty and in disgrace with the Portuguese (dictatorial, at the time) government.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:41 am
I think we have to remove “nice list”, “awesome list” etc from the entries. The same way we did for “first” entries. They’re annoying !
November 4th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Forgot to give the link:
from “Wikipedia” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristides_de_Sousa_Mendes
November 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
The meaning of peace is not yet defined. People of different regions living in different situations in different times perceive its meaning in different ways. Maybe that can be one reason why the nobel people are having problems in awarding it.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
We could possibly rename this list as “Top 10 people robbed of the Nobel Peace Prize”
November 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Very impressive. But very sad. Its hard to have much respect for the noble’s when you actually learn much about them. As a kid i never understood why people occasionally turned them down. Beginning to see why.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Great list, the very opposite from the bystander one.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Why the **** did obama get this? For making a bunch of speeches? WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
November 4th, 2009 at 2:54 am
I don’t believe that the Peace prize is actually awarded to those who deserve it, though some of the previous winners did. I believe it’s awarded to the person nominated who would be the most politically important and/or compelling.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:54 am
@Pissedoff (15):
He won it for not being Bush.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:04 am
With all these people “passed over”, it only makes Henry Kissinger’s that much more insulting
November 4th, 2009 at 3:08 am
WHOEVER DECIDES THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE WINNER IS A JERK
they deserve something!
November 4th, 2009 at 3:08 am
It is appalling how westerners seem to perceive the holocaust as the single most horrendous crime against humanity in history of mankind.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Mahatma Gandhi should have been much closer to #1 than his #9 position. His teachings of non violence, being truthful and cleanliness is still followed all around the world.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:27 am
great list!
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 am
i would’ve liked more info on #7, i learnt alot about these peace leaders through this list thanks!
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Stanley Tookie Williams was robbed of a nobel prize numerous times and then robbed of his life.
And why did you feel the need to include criticisms of Gandhi and no one else?
And as this is bound to turn into an Obama debate I think he probably got it for all he’s done for Western/Muslim relations, his work for non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, the (soon) closing of Guantanamo Bay and just his general decent attitude towards the world and everyone in it.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:31 am
A minor correction in number 9 – the nominations for the peace price goes through the Norwegian Nobel Committee, not the Swedish Academy… Sweden handles the rest of the prices, but the peace price is completely handled by Norway.
Which I am quite happy with considering some of the price-winners.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:31 am
People literally live in the internet, but all they are able to see is what’s going on in their neighbourhood.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Flamehorse…I am falling in love…
November 4th, 2009 at 3:35 am
Flamehorse…I’m falling in love.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Sorry but there seem to be several problems with this list IMO.
1. It seems the main way to get a NPP according to the author is for saving Jews from the holocaust. Many noble acts carried out by noble people as detailed in an earlier list specifically dedicated to the subject. A list that roused considerable controversy over the actual actions of Pius.
2. Far too many of those ‘robbed’ lack any detail of their nomination and who they lost to. In fact 8 of the 10 lack any of this detail. In the case of a 9th (Gandhi) you fail to make any case for why he was robbed in any of the years he was nominated.
And frankly, worthy though many of these people may be, if they have not even been nominated then they can hardly be deemed to have been robbed.
Finally an editing error. The last paragraph of 10 makes no dense in the context of the subject.
Cheers
Lee
November 4th, 2009 at 3:46 am
@Andy V (21):
Non violence as followed in Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine/Israel, any number of African countries.
Cheers
Lee
November 4th, 2009 at 3:52 am
@Barold (24):
Seeing as you have opened the Obama debate (as opposed to the meaningly venting posted earlier). Obama may well deserve the NPP by the end of his Presidency but awarding it to him this year based on quite frankly no tangible evidence cheapens both his efforts and the award itself.
In fact given the absolute howlers of awards in two of the last three years I wonder whether people consider the award to have any value or relevance anymore?
Cheers
Lee
November 4th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Very informative and interesting list, flamehorse.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:54 am
correction meaningly = meaningless
Cheers
Lee
November 4th, 2009 at 4:04 am
@Barold (24): Delivering poetic speeches and being a visionary doesn’t make one eligible for a Nobel. ACHIEVING what you have envisaged might. In case of Obama, there’s no denying his pure intentions. He might have probably won it later on, but for the hastiness of the people responsible for awarding it he has earned more ire than praise.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:05 am
Have to agree with k1w1taxi (29) about the lack of information on the nominations and why people were passed over – and if they weren’t nominated for a Nobel then they can hardly be robbed. Maybe a list name change to People Who Deserved A Nobel (Peace) Prize?
Otherwise, it is always nice to learn something new and I hadn’t heard of a few on this list
November 4th, 2009 at 4:17 am
Great list as usual. However, about the Chief Rabbi of Rome – Rabbi Israel Zolli – converting to Catholicism because he was moved by what Pope Pius XII did might be too far-fetched. Rabbi Zolli was a controversial figure within the Italian Jewish community of the WW2. For example, he was blamed for not immediately destroying the synagogue registry and thus revealing the names of Rome’s Jews to the Nazis. Also, while he hid and saved himself, he failed to warn other Jews about their imminent deportation. After the war, Zolli attempted to regain the position of Chief Rabbi of Rome but was rebuffed by what remained of the Jewish community.
He had referred to himself a “Meshumad Lehachis” – an apostate out of spitem ; apparently his decision to convert out of Judaism to Catholicism was motivated by years of what he described as unfair treatment by the Jewish community.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:20 am
@El the erf (34) Actually the Peace prize can and is often awarded to someone trying to achieve peace rather than someone ACHIEVING it!!!!
“Unlike the other Nobel Prizes, which recognize completed scientific or literary accomplishment, the Nobel Peace Prize may be awarded to persons or organizations that are in the process of resolving a conflict or creating peace.”
But I’ve noticed on the comments of this site people go round and round having the same arguements about the same topics but never getting anywhere so I might leave it at that. Although I am hoping this turns into another ‘the Holocaust didn’t happen’ debate because they’re always fun to read!
November 4th, 2009 at 4:22 am
“A rule stipulates that death before being awarded the Prize renders one ineligible for it, nominated or not. But I think the Academy could have given it to him posthumously, and no one would have complained. In which case, they could still award it to him for the year 1948.”
correct me if i’m wrong but did they not chose to give no one the award the year gandhi died because they could not give it to him. if thats true well then fair enough. they recognise his achievements over all the others and still didn’t have to break the rules of the prize.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:31 am
Jose Figueres, known to us in Costa Rica as Don Pepe, abolished the army and doesn’t even get it!
Basketball Jonesama ups the anti in Ghaniland and Pakistan and gets it.
Gotta protect that opium for AlCIAduh.
It’s quite apparent that a Nobel prize is right up there with having a pair of Roseanne Barrs dirty panties.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:57 am
@Barold (37): That eligibility criterion is exactly why the NPP tends to get mired in controversies.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:04 am
awesome list… makes you feel good to know there are ppl in the world who actually care and are so unselfish
November 4th, 2009 at 5:16 am
wow… wonderful people
November 4th, 2009 at 5:34 am
@Barold Just compare Mandela and Obama and see for yourself where the mistake lies.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:40 am
A fucking nobel prize list? Another one? yeah great list flamehorse, awesome list..The only thing more boring than the nobel prize itself is a list about it. Hows about another conspiracy list, or atleast Top 10 People Robbed at Gunpoint…this list and all the people on it suck!
November 4th, 2009 at 5:44 am
@El the erf (40&43) That may be the case but he is within the criteria, he is doing a lot for peace and I’m sure every winner has had their nay-sayers but that didn’t make them less deserving.
I don’t really see the point of (43) Are you saying that only someone who has been fighting and sacrificing for years should be allowed to win? Maybe they should make a nobel prize for alturism instead.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Yet another 10 reasons why the NPP is rigged. Its a popularity contest. A “If we like you, you win” mentality.
I agree that at least 6 of these people listed should have received the award.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:01 am
FlameHorse you are just non-stop with these things, aren’t you?
November 4th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Fidel Castro? Common bring on the haters
November 4th, 2009 at 6:08 am
pope pius XII is studied in italian history and he is often described as a man who mingled with fascist, and one of the causes mussolini rose to power with the lateranensi pacts, he did not oppose the dictatorial regime when he could of done.
just saying but:
i think this might be the cause of him getting robbed even if he did save a lot of jews
November 4th, 2009 at 6:10 am
What’s the criteria for making this a TOP TEN list rather than a list of ten? I don’t see order from years nominated, nor an objective ranking based on number of people saved or some quantifiable way to rank their “level of personal risk” in the face of danger. Without further knowledge in that particular year’s nomination process, there’s no real tangible way to see how one was robbed more than another based.
Very curious to understand how this order was formed.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Point#1: It is pathetic that you have to invoke “child experiments” in Gandhi’s write-up. To say that there are 8 folks who deserve it more than Gandhi is a crude joke at best. The last i saw, their efforts didn’t change the destiny of 500 million people!
The snobbish feeling of deciding the social standards to follow and in a culture that you barely understand is fit for 18th century living.
Point#2: Why does it happen that saving Jews make the shortlist for Nobel Peace Prize? I have nothing against Jews but there have been & are still many oppressed communities that have suffered a lot. Why not highlight them? Please don’t mistake my criticism as putting down these great folks who did a lot, but focus on my point that there are hundreds of others who did yeomen service to the downtrodden – Dr. Ambedkar is a good starting point for your education!
November 4th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Interesting list. However if the things I have heard are true then Gandhi was kind of a dick.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:33 am
@Barold (45): The point was simple: Go according to the rules that you have set. Shouldn’t have they announced a NPP for Mandela much earlier rather than wait for him to get outta bars and personally receive it,duh?
November 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I originally had Gandhi at #1, but the list has been changed in various places. No problem. I’m just glad it’s up. At least people are reading it.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:48 am
You forgot to add “Whoever should have gotten the 2009 Peace Prize instead of Obama”.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:54 am
@ El the erf(53) I think I probably missed the simple point because it doesn’t really relate to Obama’s prize. Whether they should have waited for Mandela to get out or not is kind of irrelvant to whether Obama deserves it for what he has already done and for what he represents. And anyway, that was about 15 years ago (might be wrong, didn’t look up!) and so maybe the ideals/motivations of the committee has changed anyway.
As for the ‘Duh’, welll that was uncalled for. I haven’t been rude to you so I don’t see the need.
November 4th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Fantastic list!
All such admirable people; they deserve so much more than an award and simple recognition.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:02 am
@ Barold – so, I’m going to wish real hard that it will rain lollipops and marshmallows and that everyone just really likes each other… do I get the Peace Prize now?
November 4th, 2009 at 7:05 am
@Barold (56): Sorry if that upset you, but I didn’t really know ‘duh’ was a slang. It was the (duh?) of big moose’s of archie comics.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:08 am
@ Rebecca (58) No.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I don’t understand the last line of entry number 10, for Irena Sendler. Who is “credited as the spiritual leader of the destruction of communism in eastern Europe”? Surely not Al Gore?!?
As for Stevie Biko, it seems that if he died an early death at hands of the police and the Nobel rules prohibit the nomination of dead people, you can’t exactly say he was robbed. He was immortalised in a song by Tribe Called Quest though, and given the devaluation of the Nobel prize recently that may be more of a lasting tribute!
Interesting list, I had never heard of some of these people.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:11 am
@El the erf (59) My mistake, sorry. I’m far to British to know what Archie comics is so I didn’t get the reference. No offence taken.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Should be renamned “Top ten people who were robbed of the Nobel Peace Prize”.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Yet another reason to hate Al Gore. Jetsetting around the globe with a laptop and a powerpoint bullshit speech means people will line up around the block to blow you. Meantime a wonderful old woman who risked her life to save people gets the high hat. Way to go Al you smug SOB.
@El the erf (20):
“It is appalling how westerners seem to perceive the holocaust as the single most horrendous crime against humanity in history of mankind.”
Normally I wouldn’t respond to a twerp like you that makes idiotic statements like this, but do you actually think before you write? What’s so appalling about it? Are we supposed to stack up all the atrocities in history and assign a number to them like it’s Rate a Record on American Bandstand? Are you really that offended that people are sensitive about rounding up an entire race of people on the European continent and attempting to snuff them out like they were garbage?
November 4th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Oh yeah, about nr 7 Jose Figueres Ferrer, if he poke out about communism during the era of the soviet union, don’t excpect any european country to give him a prize.
We kinda don’t like pissing people off if we don’t have to.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:21 am
It actually makes me feel a little sick to my stomach that some of these individuals, who saved thousands of lives, were passed over for the prize in favour of people like Al Gore who did relatively nothing but theorize. Not even theorize about peace but about the environment.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:27 am
FlameHorse do you type a list a day or something?
November 4th, 2009 at 7:29 am
When did “creating a welfare state” become something to be brag about?
November 4th, 2009 at 7:36 am
“The Nobel prize for peace”
Not Fair, Peace = Non Violence = Gandhi. And you place him on the 9th Spot, check the History and will find out why am I saying this (Indian History).
Awesome List though………….
November 4th, 2009 at 7:37 am
All these wonderful people, wow! Thanks for the uplifting list.
By the way, how did our sofa-king-we-todd-did Obama get the Nobel Peace Prize??? He hasn’t done anything except give lip service to the world. Obamination should have gotten the Nobel ‘Tool’ Prize.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:43 am
It is important to remember no one can be awarded the Nobel Prize posthumously.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
@ Bucslim (64) Thank you. Was going to reply to this twattish post myself, but you said everything I needed to say.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:49 am
@Chanchita (72):
‘Twattish’ – fantastic creation, wished I had thought of it.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am
@ Bucslim (73) That´s why we´re a team. You respond to the idiots, I think up cool names for them.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:01 am
@bucslim (64): Don’t worry about it dear. That statement can be understood by those people who live for real, who know what’s boiling at present in the world, not those who have their noses in the net 24X7.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Yes, I have my nose in the net 24/7. That´s why I find the Holocaust terrible. Because I´m always on the internet. Otherwise it wouldn´t be terrible.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:09 am
@Chanchita (74): Bucslim is not gonna leave his wife for you. And thanks to you two dunderheaded coconuts for turning this into a mudslinging fest. Grow up.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:10 am
My god. How they passed that poor woman over for al gores rejected ass? Im thinkin he paid for the prize because he didnt win or deserve it.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:10 am
@Chanchita (74): Forget it, Bucslim is not gonna leave his wife for you. And many thanks to you two dunderheaded coconuts for turning this into a mudslinging fest. Grow up.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:11 am
@ianz09 (67): Yeah, I have no life. Lonely…I am so lonely…I have nobody…
November 4th, 2009 at 8:14 am
@ El the erf: Grow up? You called me a dunderheaded coconut, then told me to grow up.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:16 am
@El the erf (75):
Well you certainly answered my first question with aplomb.
What’s boiling at present in the world? Nice comeback, you’re really on a roll. That statement just sent me reeling. Let’s just forget about the holocaust, just a blip on the pages of history, insignificant compared to what’s happening now. El – you might want to try reading a book now and then. And after you try that, try not typing bs.
Nose in the net 24/7? You mean like getting on a site and pretending you’re someone else for a week like you did? The subtle misspelling of my net handle was really awesome dude. Everyone just thought you were so clever.
No El, that statement you made can’t be understood by anyone who understands history and takes it seriously. Try telling that to someone who actually went through the holocaust, see how far you get.
Sorry you fell asleep in class, perhaps you should go back and actually try to learn something dork.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Al Gore makes me gag. He’s a dunderhead coconut.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:20 am
How about Greg Mortenson? he was nominated this year and should have won. He wrote the book, “Three Cups of Tea.” Look up what he has done and I think you’ll agree he was robbed. especially considering the winner this year hasn’t done anything.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am
In Asia, very few have knowledge on what happened to the Jews in Europe, maybe just like Europeans, only few knew we exist and also suffer.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am
@El the erf (79):
This isn’t a mudslinging contest moron, I asked you a question about your original statement. – “It is appalling how westerners seem to perceive the holocaust as the single most horrendous crime against humanity in history of mankind.”
What’s so appalling about it?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:21 am
My nominee:
Vicente Ferrer Moncho (Barcelona, Catalonia, Spain April 9, 1920 – Anantapur, Andhra Pradesh, India, June 19, 2009) was a philanthropist who spent his life working to improve the lives of the poor in the mission he founded in Southern India.
Today the Vicente Ferrer foundation carries out humanitarian projects in Andhra Pradesh, bringing aid to over 2.5 million poor people.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:29 am
@bucslim (86): & @Chanchita (81): Very good for standing up to trash like that.
Yes there are other atrocities out there…just can’t think of one that could trump this one. How can someone say what he did? Not firing on all thrusters, is he?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Does Obama win mean that the Nobels are following the Oscars trend?
November 4th, 2009 at 8:36 am
@ oouchan: Agreed. And even if something “worse” did happen, wouldn´t make the attempted slaughter of an entire race any less awful.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am
@psychosurfer (89): I listened to a BBC radio interview where the guest interviewed was angry that the Nobel prizes in medicine are awarded by medical experts, literature Nobel prizes are awarded by literature experts, but the Nobel Peace Prize is awarded by 5 codgy old men who are financial experts. Apparently, there is a small flaw in how the NPP is awarded.
I think it is indeed like the Oscars. Follow the money! Follow the money! There’s ALWAYS a paper trail. There’s ALWAYS a motive.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:43 am
FANTASTIC list!!!! I really enjoyed this one!
November 4th, 2009 at 8:46 am
@bucslim (82): Flamehorse really did that?
That´s the lowest, nastiest, most dishonorable thing to do in the internet.
Boo to you Flamehorse.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:47 am
@psychosurfer (93):
No, El the barf did.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:49 am
@RadioHead (91): You got it.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
OOOPS!!!
Sorry Flamehorse, your list is really interesting as usual, Yay to you!
Boo to El the erf!
November 4th, 2009 at 8:57 am
i finding shocking that the above mentioned story of oskar schindler is still propagated.
He was not a hero that ’saved’ 1200-1400 jews by keeping them employed. those slaves made him money so it was in HIS direct interest to keep them alive and rape the women on the side.
Also the ’sabotaged ammunition story has been debunked countless time.
For a more accurate portrayal of schindler i encourage a google on his wife and statements she made about him. far more accurate than that farce of a movie based on him.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:00 am
good list – great comments
@El the erf (20):
As my dear old dad used to say “think before you speak”
you are being an insensitive arse El – the holocaust was “the single most horrendous crime against humanity” I can’t think of anything that compares. The nuclear bombs in Japan at the end of ww2 were horrific too, but for sheer lose of life the holocaust was the worst.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Well people,me thinks that the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were more horrifying than the Holocaust.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Environment sucks and Al Gore is fat.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:04 am
@ BravehisTickle and everyone else fighting over it: “Me thinks” that it is not very respectful to try and rank awful human disasters in history from the worst to the least bad.
One person killed in a massacre of 10 is just as tragic and senseless a loss as one killed in a massacre of 10,000.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:06 am
All you anti-Barack Obama and Nobel committee people,Obama was awarded the Nobel peace prize considering the long term effect it would have..definitely he wouldn’t be an idiot like Bush to declare war on any weak country on the pretext of imaginative WMD’s
November 4th, 2009 at 9:08 am
@rushfan (68):
I second that! Why is that “achievement” even in there?
November 4th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Me thinks Chanchita is right.Senorita,you are so sensible.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:09 am
As tragic as Nagasaki and Hiroshima were, the casulties were less than 1 million whereas in the camps across europe 6 millions jews were starved and shot. Both events were truly appalling and shows that the lines between good and evil during wartime are blurred.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:13 am
That´s señora
November 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Though it has been stated in the introduction,still ‘peace’ should be added to Nobel prize in the title,else it could mean anything-economics,physics etc.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
@Chanchita (106): Sorry senora
@columbofan (105): Yer absolutely right,one should not make a competition of disasters(natural or man-made) when just reading about them is so tragic.
@All:
Just imagine if you were one of the survivors and you hear people bickering about which one was worse,which should be ranked first etc crap….how would you feel?
November 4th, 2009 at 9:23 am
@bucslim (94):
What is appalling is this:
Some eight years back an indefinite ‘x’ number of people die in a naturally enriched country.
People sit up and take notice…(Oh! People are dying somewhere??That’s bad!)
8 years later, the same ‘x’ number of people die in the same naturally depleted country.
Nobody bat’s an eyelid. (The stock markets are on the rise??Great!)
Why?
There’s a movie going on in the local theater -The Horrors of Holocaust Part 10′…and rivers of tears flow down the valley.
Add to it , all that a pathetic neighbor does is hold discussions about whether the holocaust took place at all.
Btw, the figure is 1033711 and still counting.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:27 am
@ BravehisTickle (108) I wholly agree. It is like the difference between 9/11 and the 7/7 London bombings, on a smaller scale. A child who has lost a parent in the London bombings doesn´t care that more people died in 9/11. And someone who died in the Hiroshima tragedy is no less important or tragic than a Jew who died in the Holocaust.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:29 am
flamehorse is a jew…
November 4th, 2009 at 9:35 am
@psychosurfer (96): Thankee. To ever body.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Get off hitler
November 4th, 2009 at 9:44 am
@El the erf (109):
Thanks El for that incredibly ignorant, naive and tragically misguided attempt at explaining yourself.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am
@BravehisTickle (102):
The Nobel committee gave the peace prize to Yasser Arafat in 1994 (who used the money to finance more terrorist acts), to Wangari Maathai (who supported the theory that AIDS was created by scientists to destroy the black race), to Rigoberta Menchú (who altered her own biography in order to support her left-wing cause) and even proposed the peace prize for Hitler himself in 1939.
This time they screwed it again giving it to someone that has great wit, charisma and maybe good intentions but has DONE nothing relevant yet.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
@El the erf (79): You’re crossing a line here el; showing off your age and ignorance to the nth degree. Do you not understand what happened during the Holocaust? The Germans applied modern methods to the wholesale extermination of an entire people. The same way that we mass slaughter Chickens for KFC or Beef for MacDonalds was used against people. People whose only sin was being born into the wrong religion. There are many despots who killed more people; Mao, Pol Pot, for example; but not in the same systemic way. The deaths of their victims are a by-product of their policies and tactics while the Holocaust was the desired outcome of Hitler. An important distinction and why The Holocaust is perceived as “the single most horrendous crime against humanity in history of mankind.”
November 4th, 2009 at 9:56 am
awright’,whatever you say mom
November 4th, 2009 at 9:57 am
@Mom424 (116) I’m not disagreeing about the tragedy of the Holocaust but your post made me laugh:
Macdonalds kills cows not beef! And neither KFC of MacDonalds uses gas chambers…
“The wrong religion” How inappropriate is that statement…. even though I know you didn’t mean it the way it sounds!
Oh and it was just Hitler on his own decided one day it’d be fun to kill all the Jews. The decision involved a lot of people.
But, yeah, the Holocaust was really bad.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:01 am
@ Barold: I disagree, I don´t think that statement sounded inappropriate. It´s like saying “being in the wrong place at the wrong time”, except it´s the “wrong” religion.
And hmm…debateable…did the “decision” involve a lot of people? Or were all those people following orders based on the decision of one man?
November 4th, 2009 at 10:03 am
@psychosurfer (115): Yeah Senor,you got a point there, BUT don’t you think that awarding the NPP to Barack Obama would pressurize him in the following coming years to act more benevolently towards other countries welfare and not be a greedy pig like Bush? After all he IS the most powerful man on earth right now,and his thinking and actions would decide the future of many countries,directly or indirectly.
And as you said ‘maybe good intentions’..we have to believe in that,if not him then who?
PERSONALLY,I think that it is quite a good and thoughtful dceision on part of the Nobel committee.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:16 am
#83 Petie: Lol too true al gore is a dunderheaded coconut. It wierdly fits him too.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I agree that these people all should have won the prize, and many others. However, I as the selfless figures that they are, I believe they felt their reward was the gratefulness of those that they saved. All of them will be remembered forever in the history books as great humanitarians. Thousands of people escaped death and/ or lived better lives thanks to these people, and I’m sure that meant more to them than some piece of metal.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:19 am
@Chanchita (119):
I know what he meant, when I read that I also thought it sounded a bit…I dunno…just seemed quite a strange way to put it at the time. Of course I know ‘mum’ didn’t mean it that way, and the sentiment behind the post was spot on, but there where a couple of things in it that made me giggle.
Also, I think it would be unfair to pin the whole of the holocaust on Hitler. I think it’s fair to say that it was his baby, but the likes of Himmler also had a big hand in overseeing the operation.
Oh, and on the debate people are having with regards to Obama getting the Noble Peace Prize, let’s see if the judges still feel that was the correct decision when he’s invading Pakistan.
@Barold (118):
I really want to see protesters outside Mcdonalds with signs like
‘Stop Killing Beef’ and ‘Beefs have rights too’
November 4th, 2009 at 10:20 am
@hitler (111): Even IF Flamehorse is a jew,he/she has made and contributed this list,not you,therefore he/she can write whatever he/she personally feels is correct.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
@BravehisTickle (120):
Any President that takes in consideration the winning of a Nobel Peace Prize when making decisions should not be President.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I hope comment 20 doesn’t bar me from submitting a list
November 4th, 2009 at 10:29 am
I wonder about American Republican trolls visiting this site to spew venom on Obama. That you make reasons denying him Nobel Prize is understandable if not agreeable. But of the various ‘undeserving’ candidates that you compare Obama with, why not take the name of HENRY KISSINGER? What did HK do to deserve the Nobel Peace Prize? He is no better than Arafat …
November 4th, 2009 at 10:30 am
@archiealt (123): Ho sir,do you really think that USA would ever invade Pakistan? Pakistan is USA’s ally,it provided them with army bases during the attack on Afghanistan..and USA regularly provides Pakistan weapons,aid etc so that they can ‘battle’ terrorism in their own backyard..haven’t you read the recent reports on Pakistan bombings?
An Obama-invasion of Pakistan in the near or distant future is a foregone possibility.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
@bucslim (64): @Julie (66): @General-Jake (78): @Petie (83): @General-Jake (121):
http://ricketyclick.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/irena_sendler_bw-1.jpg
November 4th, 2009 at 10:36 am
@Eyeswideshut (127): Yeah,Republicans are still feelin’ shitty that ‘ol McCain didn’t make it.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Great list again from the flaming hoofs, well done pal you must be burning the candle at both ends to pump out so many lists in such a short time, well done again.
@mom424 (116) Yes I
November 4th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Nice list. I think lists like this should not be ranked, just indexed.
Also, the title doesn’t mention “Peace”. Kinda misleading …
November 4th, 2009 at 10:47 am
mom424 at my comment 131 Im sorry it was cut short I have grandkids and sitting on my lap a wee while ago the little blighter must have done what all kids do play with the keyboard.
Will catch up later
November 4th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I hope people got to know I was pointing to what’s happening in Iraq in comment 116
November 4th, 2009 at 10:53 am
@Eyeswideshut (127): Yup, some of us are indeed American Republics. America is a ‘Republic’ of fifty states. Fifty individual states, each state is supposed to have a say in government. With that said, Obama’s a Federalist, and a damned arrogant, snotty one. Obama doesn’t believe in state rights, he believes his will will be done – regardless that more Americans disagree with him than agree. Anywho, arrogant Obama does not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize. Obama talks A LOT, but has accomplished nothing. Zip. Which is actually a good thing.
Obama deserves every bit of venom. You see, here in AMERICA, we can spew all the venom we want against our government. It’s quite legal. Oh, I think I can say with confidence, most Americans don’t give a rat’s crap that europe and hollywood have a fashionable love affair with our current president.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:01 am
5
El the erf
November 4th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Wow. I can’t fathom the fact that Gandhi is no.9 on this list. (you forgot to mention the huge service he rendered for which he is remembered in South Africa)
21
Andy V
November 4th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Mahatma Gandhi should have been much closer to #1 than his #9 position. His teachings of non violence, being truthful and cleanliness is still followed all around the world.
24
Barold
November 4th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Stanley Tookie Williams was robbed of a nobel prize numerous times and then robbed of his life.
And why did you feel the need to include criticisms of Gandhi and no one else?
And as this is bound to turn into an Obama debate I think he probably got it for all he’s done for Western/Muslim relations, his work for non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, the (soon) closing of Guantanamo Bay and just his general decent attitude towards the world and everyone in it.
51
Eyeswideshut
November 4th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Point#1: It is pathetic that you have to invoke “child experiments” in Gandhi’s write-up. To say that there are 8 folks who deserve it more than Gandhi is a crude joke at best. The last i saw, their efforts didn’t change the destiny of 500 million people!
54
flamehorse
November 4th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I originally had Gandhi at #1, but the list has been changed in various places. No problem. I’m just glad it’s up. At least people are reading it.
69
AJ
November 4th, 2009 at 7:36 am
“The Nobel prize for peace”
Not Fair, Peace = Non Violence = Gandhi. And you place him on the 9th Spot, check the History and will find out why am I saying this (Indian History).
Awesome List though………….
NUMBER 54 EXPLAINS THINGS WELL..
November 4th, 2009 at 11:02 am
@RadioHead (135):
‘Obama talks A LOT, but has accomplished nothing’
Give him more time,bet he would accomplish much more than greedy Bush or what ‘ol McCain could have if he had been Prez.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:06 am
@NiB (136): Bah!you were not required to copy paste the whole thing,just click at their username to reply..it unnecessarily lengthens the post.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:09 am
@RickyRicardo and 85% of you on here:
It seems that commenters on LV are true Obama haters. How can you all come on here and blatantly disrespect (i.e. “our sofa-king-we-todd-did Obama”) the President of the United States as if he is doing absolutely nothing to fix our country. Ugh, I can’t read comments most of the time on this site because of the blatant hating and racism you all display gets to me. Quit with the racism and work together to help our country progress.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:12 am
@RadioHead
Move out and make us sane citizens happier. Heard Canberra’s nice. Your negativity, racism and “assholeness” is freaking annoying and people like you make our country look bad.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am
@undaunted warrior (133):
“the little blighter”
I like it!!
November 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am
@Americana (139): Who said anything racist? Disagreeing with someone is NOT racist.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Eyeswideshut
Gandhi alone has not given independence to India…..correct your facts.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
@BravehisTickle (137): No, he just talks a lot. In one more year, we’ll have our mid-terms, the opposition party will take the House or Senate, then the US gov’t will be dead-locked once again. Just like the US government is supposed to be – in deadlock. The more politicians squabble, bicker, and fight amongst themselves because they can’t agree on the time of day, the less they impact the lives of ordinary people. Just like the Framers designed it to be.
So, I don’t care if you’re conservative or liberal, as long as one majority doesn’t have all the power at any one given time, the US gov’t doesn’t accomplish much. We’re fortunate Obama’s inept and snotty, because he’s lost his luster to many, many middle-of-the-road Americans. Russia’s not buying His Will Be Done, the Middle East isn’t buying His Will Be Done. Most Americans aren’t buying His Will Be Done. So, he can TALK all he wants. He can hold all the Beer Summits he wants. It ain’t going anywhere. Good.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:17 am
@Americana (140): Its not racism, it’s just that there are much better candidates for the Peace Prize.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Obama is certainly not among the worst choices ever made for the nobel nor is he among the best choices ever made.
He’s probably hovering somewhere around the middle. He did do a lot to change the tone of American foreign policy and, like it or not, most of the international community appreciates this.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am
@Americana (140): And your use of the English language is ‘freaking’ annoying. Like, totally, gag me with a spoon or something.
Like, did I even mention Obama’s race? Well, duh, no, I did not. Like, do I even care about his race? Like, NooOOOOoooo. Hey, like, Al Gore is a very rich idiot! Does that make me racist against whites? Like Michael Moore is another rich idiot. Like, does that mean I hate all fat slobs?
When you read a sentence, do you even comprehend what the writer is trying to convey? Or do words go in one eyeball and right out the other with being processed?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:31 am
@Americana (139): Because everyone was so respectful of Bush while he was in office?
No country is ever going to 100% respect it’s leader. Disapproving of him isn’t automatically racist, Americana.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
@RadioHead (144): So what do you suggest, that McCain woulda been a better president? Politicians would be still bickering even then and suppose what if McCain(if elected prez) decides to attack Iran or some other nation like his predecessor..which he is very prone to..then what? That wouldn’t do any good either to the image of America as perceived by others or to the families of the soldiers who are already living on the edge.
Atleast some initiatives have been taken by Obama..don’t believe the same in case of McCain.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Change the title to Noble *Peace* Prize…I was expecting to read about the science discoveries that were never recognized, i.e. Einstein and relativity.
As for peace prizes, I always thought Reagan should have been awarded one for helping end the cold war and liberate eastern Europe. The founders of the European Union seem like a good choice, too.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Number 10 should have won the Nobel prize for awesomeness as judging from her picture she can perform the HADOUKEN!
November 4th, 2009 at 11:42 am
@BravehisTickle (149): Cool story, bro!
November 4th, 2009 at 11:46 am
If you gave Mohandes Gandhi the Nobel Peace prize, you would probably also have to give him the Nobel prize for capitulation, racism, division and nationalist isolation at a time when the rest of the world was trying to defeat the Nazis. But you’ve got to pick your battles, don’t you?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:47 am
@RadioHead (144):
Your lack of knowledge about the American Constitution is typical of right wing loudmouths such as yourself. The horrible flaw in democracy is that the moronic and ignorant can still vote–and it’s quite clear you are just such a dull-witted voter. What a shame that there’s no feasible way of correcting this flaw. The only tool to address it is education. I suggest, therefore, that you listen up.
“In one more year, we’ll have our mid-terms, the opposition party will take the House or Senate,”
We’ll see. Frankly, I doubt it. Every poll I’ve seen still shows the Republican party to be roundly hated by the great majority of the American people. As the party as moved further and further to the insane right, it’s lost more and more of its grip on the voter, and more and more people express dissatisfaction and even hostility for Republicans.
“…then the US gov’t will be dead-locked once again. Just like the US government is supposed to be – in deadlock. The more politicians squabble, bicker, and fight amongst themselves because they can’t agree on the time of day, the less they impact the lives of ordinary people. Just like the Framers designed it to be.”
This is in fact not so, and is simply another right wing distortion of the truth, and really nothing more than an out-and-out lie.
IN FACT, “Radiohead” (by the way, change your name–I have no doubt the band would resent their moniker being co-op’d by some right wing jackass) our two party system is NOT built into the Constitution and is not even MENTIONED there. It is *tradition,* not “how the Framers designed it.” We settled into a two party system because it simply made things more expedient and efficient than having four or five major parties or more–though in fact most countries do settle into two or three, at most four major parties, with a few notable exceptions. The US early on settled into two parties, and the system has been somewhat gamed to support that in several ad hoc ways–but it was NOT the intention of the Framers for this to be so, else they would have written it in. It was not. Some supported such a system, that’s true–but others did not. But support is not the same thing as “designed,” and it is certain that the two party system is NOT “official” in the US and never should be.
The Framers never intended for there to be “deadlock.” They would, in fact, have found this anathema to their notion of a functioning government. What they designed is a system of separation of powers–which is by no means the same thing. This does not equal deadlock in the slightest. What causes deadlock is, rather, polarized politics, for the most part.
“So, I don’t care if you’re conservative or liberal, as long as one majority doesn’t have all the power at any one given time, the US gov’t doesn’t accomplish much.”
Which is an insane thing to wish for and be proud about.
I have news for you, pinhead. The US government accomplishes a great deal every day regardless of whether you think it’s in “deadlock” or not. And in fact, much of it is for the good. We were never meant to HATE government, jackass. We were meant to only be distrustful of it, to keep our eyes on it, to be active participants in it as good citizens. Turning your back on it and wishing it into ineffectuality is NOT being a good citizen—it’s being a barbaric idiot—which is a growing cancer in the right wing, it seems.
“We’re fortunate Obama’s inept and snotty,”
This is your opinion. Frankly, I’d love to hear your evidence for his “ineptness,” particularly given the immense ineptness we were just saddled with the previous 8 years. As for “snotty,” this is particularly amusing. Is it code for “uppity,” one wonders? As in “uppity black man?” Perhaps. Or perhaps not. But it’s interesting you call a man “snotty,” who, for the most part, seems like an agreeable, decent enough sort, if a tad on the cold side.
“because he’s lost his luster to many, many middle-of-the-road Americans.”
Your opinion, and in fact I think a worthless and unsupportable one. Where’s your evidence for this? Dips in his polls? Please. There’s no precedent that says these dips in his approval ratings are anything but the usual cyclical movements in approval that *every* president endures—particularly one who is presiding over a horrible economic debacle, even if he did inherit it from the previous, inept Republican president.
Your wish that our government be eternally hog-tied is the childish wish of an ill-informed lout who doesn’t understand or grasp the way the world works in the slightest, but remains duped into thinking he’s got all the answers. You don’t. And frankly, I don’t think the majority of Americans really agree with you.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Reagan did NOT end the cold war.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
@BravehisTickle (149): I do not think McCain would have made a better President.
What I think is, is that I have lost a great deal of respect for most politicians. They’re greedy, egotistical, blood sucking administrators. First and foremost, the less power they have, the better off we all are. Second, I think when the Constitution was written, the founding fathers knew this, so they put a system in place to severly hamper the progress (abuse) powerful people can make.
What this has to do with the Nobel Prize is beyond me. I think I razzed the Holy Savior of the Planet, Obama, and got automatically nailed as a racist. I probably insulted half of the world while I was at it. Whoops! And THAT is why I am not an Internation Ambassador.
November 4th, 2009 at 11:57 am
@Anon (150): No Reagan should not have been because the Iran-Contra affair revealed his administration’s hypocrisy,that’s why.
You gotta have clean candidates for the NPP.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
@Randall (154): Hello sire,I hope my post in the previous list has cleared any misconceptions you had about me.I am no ’stalker’ or ‘troll’
November 4th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
@RadioHead (156):
“What I think is, is that I have lost a great deal of respect for most politicians. They’re greedy, egotistical, blood sucking administrators. First and foremost, the less power they have, the better off we all are.”
While I feel the same way about politicians (“politics” by the way is derived from two words – “poli” meaning many and “tics” which are small bloodsucking parasites), I do not think that taking power away from politicians is going to solve anything. What we need are a new breed of politicians. I think Obama actually marks the first wave of that new breed, though he is still to accomplish anything major. I don’t think he deserved the Nobel prize, certainly.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
@Randall (153): Oh, there you are. You draw some mighty conclusions there, randall. Especially from my brief, Twitter sized comments. Gee, you got me pegged. Not really, I just said that in case you missed my sarcasm. You’re just trying to train-jack the discussion (is that the correct phrase the trendy IntraWeb users use to hijack a forum). I’ll have to look that one up. In the day, we just called it Bogarting.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Also, Reagan should not be considered because of his actions in Central America and the simple fact that he had almost nothing to do with the fall of Russian Communism.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Why is The Holocaust, called the Holocaust? Why don`t people refer to it, as another genocide? Like the genocides commited by England, France, Germany, The Ottoman Empire, Pol Pot, The Interhamwe, Radovan Karadzic and Ratko Mladic, and other madmen? If you think about it, seriously, child trafficking is worse.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
@BravehisTickle (124): So sweet of you! I’m not Jewish. Just ordinary ol’ Protestant. All my ancestors come from England. And I love Jews.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I would also like it duly noted that changes were made to this list primarily in the interest of slimming it down. I have no problem with it as it is, but I had Gandhi at #1, and I had Popes John XXIII, and John Paul II on here.
Gandhi was an incranation of the ideal of peace, and even the Nobel Committee, which usually doesn’t admit it’s mistakes, has said it’s ashamed to have missed him.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Good list. It’s a pity that the NPP has debased itself so badly over the years…especially recently.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
muzli wrote “I think we have to remove “nice list”, “awesome list” etc from the entries. The same way we did for “first” entries. They’re annoying !”
I am personally annoyed by pointless griping.
November 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
@RadioHead (futurely know as AC/DC)_ (159):
So you have no answer. I thought so. Nice try at squirming away from the subject, but, to use a “trendy IntraWeb user” phrase, “epic fail.”
I too am old enough to have used the term “bogart,” Radiohead. It’s a pity that while we’ve each spent a similar number of years on this earth, I have learned and grown while you have only stagnated or moved backwards.
“Mighty conclusions?” Only from the evidence you presented. Check your rhetoric if you don’t want to give off a taint of right-wing nuttiness.
And if you think your comments are “Twitter-sized,” I’d say you’re not real “up” on the tech culture. In any event, you wrote long enough for an impression to be formed which I have little doubt is of great accuracy.
Care to offer any corrections?
As for hijacking the discussion, I’d love to see you illustrate THAT one. You made asinine, unsupportable statements–and I called you on them. That’s hardly “hijacking” anything. Except your unchallenged BS.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
@Randall (167): Go back to academia, randall. I know your tricks, and I have better things to do than go in circles with creeps like yourself.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
OHH PLZZZZZZ Ghandhi at no 1??? r u kidding me??? he doesnt even derserve 2 b on dis list…u might not knw but v know how dis so called “peace maker” betrayed d muslims of his land and got them killed…sorry but ghandi on dis list is totally out ov order…read history in detail of Indo-Pak partition thn you will knw…n make sure its not written by an INDIAN or definately u wud end up totally defocused…
November 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
@AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) (168):
So… no answer. Got it.
Doesn’t take “tricks” to out a loudmouth who doesn’t know what he’s talking about.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@Randall (170): *Sigh* No, randall. I have answers. Apparently, they don’t jive with yours. And, I do not care to go around in circles with you. Frankly, you creep me out. There’s something not right about you.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
@AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) (171):’Frankly, you creep me out. There’s something not right about you.’ indeed
November 4th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
@AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) (171):
Oh, I’m perfectly secure in the self-confidence that I am sane, rational, and quite normal. Can’t even give you a “nice try” on that one.
A) If you had the answers to give, you’d give them. It’s quite clear you don’t.
B) I have a thick skin, so I’m not impressed with your attempt to belittle me with the “creep me out” bullshit. In fact, I’m sure no one else is impressed either.
C) Let’s not play a “who gets the last word” game. If you have anything relevant to say in response to what I originally wrote to you, then say it. If all you can do is pull *this* silly nonsense, then let’s both shut up and walk away.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Wow, I was certainly not aware that Reagan ended the Cold War…this certainly seems like another conflict the US takes credit for ending, just like every conflict they’ve ever been involved in. I apologize for my ignorance, my knowledge of history is very limited so if someone more educated will correct me I will certainly appreaciate it, though that statement sounds a little far-fetched to me.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
@Randall (173): Fine.
November 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
[deleted]
November 4th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
@ Nicosia (166) Someone has to gripe once in order for all the other annoyingness to stop…
@ Sammie davis (176) Mmmm… I think I can hear your mum calling you, time to leave the grown-ups to their forum.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
How in the hell does the LV administrator allow people like sammie davis and AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) to keep their comments up? Pure racism and bigotry on this site. It is sickening.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
@ WTF Listverse: Sometimes, freedom of speech can be annoying. However, I would rather have it than not.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Tell ya what AC/DC, I’ll help you out a bit.
Here is how everybody thinks Randall works:
He is an incredibly arrogant individual who takes great pleasure in bashing and flaming all those around him. He has no life but on the Internet, and has claimed this site as his own. He rules his online kingdom with an iron fist, and verbally smites those he disagrees with. He is truly an ass, and has nothing better to do with his life. If you even sneeze in a way he doesn’t approve of, you will be annihilated.
And now, the truth.
Randall in fact has very few qualms against people disagreeing with him. No, it’s true. But, he has a big problem with: arrogance, ignorance, immaturity, and irrelevant personal attacks. I have actually strongly disagreed with him before (see Controversial
Album Covers), and I survived! No, I’m not an invincible arguing machine. But I A) Wasn’t full of myself. B) Defended my position with strong, well thought out arguments. C) Kept the debate civil and adult. And D) Never insulted him or what he had to say, as there was no need. And when you aren’t bitching at/about him, he is quite smart and funny, and is really pretty cool to talk to, on the couple occasions where I have. I have plenty of people state that they do not agree with him, and when they behaved like civilized adults, he chose not chew them out, but calmly talk to the person, never resulting in harsh words. I have also seen plenty of people make stupid or ignorant statements (ahem) and/or come here and say something similar to “Boy, that Randall sure is a dick. I mean, he thinks he is hot shit, huh?” You can assume, probably accurately, what happens next. He enjoys speaking his mind, and your statements clearly struck a chord. He doesn’t hijack threads, he contributes. He is a regular around here, and it is more expected for him to say something than for him not to. if this is a problem for you, I can’t really offer you anymore advice.
Also, I noticed when he said “change your name” you listened. I am not entirely sure of why you chose to, but it was interesting.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
@sammie davis (176): Wow, if I had a dollar for all the IQ points you didn’t have.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
@ Ianz09: I LOVE your writing!! Haha – “smite” “annihilated” “flaming”!! – You should write a column
November 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
@ianz09 (180):
Bless you my son.
The check is in the mail.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
@Randall (183): My life… has been completed.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
@ianz09 (184): I thought I got you figured out pretty well in my description, and I wanted to be a good Samaritan and pass the knowledge to the lesser users.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
@Chanchita (182): Idk about a COLUMN. But I think I have at least a wee bit of talent in writing. My ONLY talent. Maybe some day I’ll hone it enough to write something worth getting published.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
@ Ianz09: Well, I´ll write you a reference.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
@Chanchita (187): This day gets better and better.
BTW Randall, if that check bounces, I’ll find you.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
@ianz09 (180): Good observation about the name change. RadioHead was very rude to Americana, which I feel kind of guilty about – a bit over the top. The comments drew some flies and the race card was flung. Then — it drew the vulture, which was unexpected. Randall, though wrong half of the time, or at least as useful as a quick google search, got involved and suggested the name change. Since I like RadioHead, but not really the RadioHead persona, I changed to AC/DC, who I don’t really like at all (AC/DC fans please don’t take offense!). Since randall clearly likes to intimidate, he made the suggestion, and I decided to follow suit to give him the upper hand to see where he’d run with it.
So, I should make my point. It’s just an excercise on anonymity, especially on Internet forums. So, the conversations, and setups, which I suspect the outrageous ’sammy davis’ comment was one of his, and possibly one or two others, was kind of just entertainment for both of us. But, of course, there’s no ‘proof’. Just a twinge of suspicion.
Sure, it’s infuriating, and sometimes hard to keep the persona seperate from the actual human behind it, but it’s also fascinating and gives a little insight into how people think. Being anonymous is a bit like how you might think something, but have the sense not to say it or act on it.
So, I know all about ‘randall’ on LV. I don’t like to tangle with him, he really does creep me out. That I was not kidding about. But, I use another name here *SURPRISE* who gets along with him well enough.
It’s all Internet, baby!
November 4th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
…That´s all quite creepy, baby.
November 4th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
AC/DC (formerly Radiohead) is one of the regular contributers around here? Intrigue!
P.S. for the mods – when does this comment regulation expire?
November 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
@AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) (189): Well I can’t really say anything to put down the anonymous argument. I mean, it’s between AC/DC and Randall, two Internet usernames, not two people face-to-face. I understand, and Internet arguments really aren’t special, but I personally keep my Internet persona very similar to my personal persona (almost redundant sounding, huh?). I behave and speak on the Internet very much the same as I do in real life. I’m equally as immature and stupid on here at times as I am anywhere else, and can also bust out my proper intelligent side as well. Some people probably think I’m this idiot little kid, then some people might think I am some 30-year-old voice of reason. So, I personally don’t approve of the Internet-anonymity freedom thing. I usually associate people who use it as a crutch as trolls. You may not be a troll, but surely you see where I would make the association.
So, it obviously doesn’t worry you, getting into arguments and whatnot, but hopefully you understand and respect my point, regardless of whether you agree or not.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
@ianz09 (191): No, it is a troll thing. You’re correct there. And arguing isn’t always fun, nor should it be. Nor is trolling particularly mature – I really hate that word – mature. That’s why you can’t take these forums seriously.
Thanks, have a good evening.
@Chanchita (190): LOLZ. Yup. That’s humanity. Creepy as all hell. That’s why Hollywood is always making movies about people, they’re fascinating.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
@RadioHead (192): Then we have an accord! Too bad champagne can’t be shared over the Internet.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Its hard to say that people were “robbed” of the Nobel. Gore is a great example. Global warming is the biggest problem facing the most amount of people in the world today. Although his information was equal parts self promotion and marketing, its hard to imagine a person who took the platform to more people. And by any stretch of imagination, that was quite an accomplishment.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Well, I managed to get to #10 on this list before getting very angry. Al Gore won over this woman who personally saved 2500 children? I´m thinking the committee had coctails for lunch before the vote…
And I´ll agree with all the people who believe Obama should not have gotten the prize. And no, I´m not a Republican. That doesnt change the fact that he still has A LOT to accomplish before he deserves this award. Honestly, I think his biggest accomplishment to date is simply not being Bush.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
@Randall (154): I’m so glad you zeroed in on the use of the terms, “snotty Obama” and “arrogant Obama” Your reply, “As for ’snotty,’ this is particularly amusing. Is it code for ‘uppity,’ one wonders? As in ‘uppity black man?’” – perfect. I was thinking the same thing.
Certainly, I imagine that in order for anyone to run for such a high office, a person must have to possess a highly developed ego. But why would anyone only call out the “black man” as being arrogant? Hmmmm.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I think Rosalind Franklin deserves to be on this… for finding the X-ray diffraction patterns for DNA. Watson and Crick wouldn’t have been able to determine DNA’s shape without her research. Franklin died from cancer before the nobel prizes were awarded.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I have to agree with k1w1taxi Who robbed them ? They deserve a nomination or an award, in comparison to which nominees and winners?
AND why is it that Americans always hijack the discussion to make it all about them ?
November 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Hey, Flamehorse, I’ve noticed something. Your last two list have been about how people have been ignored. Are you running out of ideas? I hope not, because I really like your lists. And this one was stellar too.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
@Moonbeam (196):
Yes, that’s precisely it, isn’t it? It’s very funny–actually it’s suspicious–that Obama is repeatedly singled out for “arrogance” and the like, by the Right. Now, of course, we tended to say something similar about George W. Bush, but then he *demonstrated* it quite readily. And of course, people said it about Clinton and… and well, aha… your point is made, isn’t it? The man who aspires to and attains high office is going to have an ego. There’s no doubt about that. But then, does anyone reasonably and truly feel Obama has demonstrated the same level of ego, publicly, as Bush or Clinton? Frankly it’s absurd to think so. Obama has his flaws, but I wouldn’t place “arrogance” amongst the top number of them. And yet–it’s a term, along with terms synonymous–that get applied to him by the Right all the time. Hmmm.
Well, I think we’ve both hit it on the head. Because quite often it’s coded racism. Read “uppity” for “arrogant” and you’ve got it. But of course they’ll always deny this. And quite possibly they’re denying it even to themselves—true as it likely is.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
@Woyzeck Returns (191): It will end when I decide it will end
November 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
@AC/DC (Formerly RadioHead) (189):
“….which I suspect the outrageous ’sammy davis’ comment was one of his…”
EXCUSE ME? ARE YOU REFERRING TO ME? ANYONE who claims to know me on this site would know DAMN WELL I would never have written that comment. EVER.
PROOF can be had easily by asking Jamie to verify this.
As for this bullshit about “creeping you out”—let me tell you what’s “creepy,” asshole. Acting as two different people on the same website is CREEPY. I have NEVER done that, and NEVER would. YOU, however, by your own admittance, are someone we all know here… but you now appear under another name–for what earthly reason I cannot see.
You know what? If you HAVE used another alias here, then why not just fucking admit what it is, and then we can all know just who it is that finds me “creepy”? Hmm? Have the freakin’ courage to do that.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
@ Randall: Totally agree about the double identity thing being creepy. And the no discernible earthly reason for it thing.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
OK, I believe you randall. You did not post that racist remark. Sorry I even suspected that. Creep.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
@jfrater (202):
So in other words never?
November 4th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Woyzeck: I said “when I decide” – that includes no implication that it will be never.
November 4th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
@Woyzeck Returns: You’re the Woyzeck I’m thinking of, right? ‘Cause I’m not sure, I didn’t ever think he would actually go through with rehab. But if you are him, then congratulations! I’m so proud of you! Isn’t your life so much better now?
November 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
The people defending Obama getting the NPP seem to forget that he was nominated only 12 days after winning the Presidency and under Nobel rules, anything they do AFTER nomination is not taken into consideration. So, all his uselsss posturing about non-proliferation and mending bridges with the Muslim world counted for zero in his winning the award. So the question remains, what did he do in those first 12 days that warranted such an award? It is not supposed to be awarded for potential.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Cota Rica is apparently one of the best places for Americans to retire to, and they also do a decent job of protecting their wild areas.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Wonderful list reading it makes me want to do better and be better….good job well done.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Not wanting to be disrespectful but did anybody else have to do a double take on the picture of Gandhi? I thought for a second that it was his hand below the smiling girl’s waist.
November 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
@Randall (203): Calm down Randall. To tell you the truth, you creep ME out. I mean, that thing you did… the one we aren’t supposed to talk about… I think I’m justified in finding that to be kind of… odd. And the way you stare into everybody’s bedroom windows… I mean, it’s not that you stare, it’s the WAY you stare, promise. Maybe tone down the slobbering and the whatnot. And I’m not pointing fingers, but I found a tiny camera hidden in my bathroom. Now, I’m not saying it was you, but you HAVE been getting better at your lock picking, and my front door was ajar the other day. And all that stuff you write in your diary… I won’t go into detail for OTHER people sakes, but the stuff about ‘being Jesus’ and ‘making us drink Koolaid’ should probably be toned down a hair. I mean, what is your psychologist going to think next time your cell is searched?
November 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Some nutcases nominated Obama. I suppose they figured since Al Gore beat a more deserving person to the prize, it should be a cinch for Obama!
November 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
The people in this list wouldn’t care if they had a nobel prize or not. What they’re concerned about is much deeper and more important than a prize that has all but lost its meaning.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
@ Iakhovas (209) Wow, I didn´t know that.
@ Blogball (212) Had a look and nope, it´s just your filthy mind.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
@GiantFlyingRobo (200): Oh, I got plenty of junk kicking around up here.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
waitaminute… I have not read all the comments but
Nobel Committee does NOT release the names of hominees for 50 years. So how can you claim Irena Sendler was nominated in 2007? How can you claim Abdul Sattar Edhi was nominated in 2009? This is unverifiable information. So most of this list is merely conjecture.
Go to this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_peace and read this “The statutes of the Nobel Foundation do not allow information about nominations, considerations or investigations relating to awarding the prize to be made public for at least 50 years after a prize has been awarded.[8] Over time many individuals have become known as “Nobel Peace Prize Nominees”, but this designation has no official standing.”
November 4th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Eh… this site kind of blows. I’m getting tired of lists people come up with as excuses to attack liberals. I remember a list from not too long ago where global warming was implied as being non-existent. Now we’ve got this one too. Oh, and the old one with “top 10 liberal hypocrites” or something. Mhmm.
Bitter, bitter, bitter.
November 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I am very sure that the people who were robbed of the Peace prize could give a rats ass about the peace price.
They did not set out to get no stupid, worthless prize. They did the right thing and that is all they gave a shit about. For the people that got it and did not deserve it, I am sure when they are all alone with plenty of time to think, they must truly feel like shit, since they know the do not come even close to the acts of greatness of those who do deserve it never got it, but could give a shit about it
November 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
@…. (219):
Well, in all fairness the one about liberal hypocrites was followed by one about conservative hypocrites, so you’re being a bit one-eyed and selective about your perception of bias. And I fail to see how this list, or any others, specifically or even indirectly attack liberals. I think it’s all in your paranoid head. And as far as global warming being non-existant, well, let’s leave that debate for another time and place.
November 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@tony: doesn’t matter if it’s unverifiable information or not. The point is, Al Gore was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize over all others who were much more deserving. Whether Irena Sendler was a nominee or not, she deserves the Nobel way way more than Al Gore.
and Nobel Peace Prize to Obama? seems the Nobel Peace Prize has become another meaningless empty award
November 4th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
@flamehorse (217): That sounded… vaguely wrong. Aw, crap! I thought too much about it! Eww! Gah, why’d you have to use the word ‘junk’?! I think I need to go take an aspirin and go to bed…
November 4th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
the pope should never have been on this list let alone #1 he personally was never gonna be harmed as the catholic church allied with the nazis and he ordered others to take the risk of helping jews escape
November 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Oculus…
if someone states a person is nominated and there can be no proof. that is called a lie. I could be nice and call it misrepresentation, but stating something as a fact when it is not is distortion.
Yes it is disappointing that these people did not receive one… but we have no way if they were even considered in the first place.
November 4th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Irena Sendler was one of the most courageous people who ever lived. I’m glad more people are beginning to recognize her heroism and sacrifices. You can be sure she never wasted a second worrying about the Nobel Prize – or any other award. She spent her lifetime avoiding publicity and deflecting praise.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Why did schinder get ahead of the lady? She saved more!
Otherwise, nice list
November 4th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Meh. I kind of feel like this is a “virtue is its own reward” situation.
When you’ve done that much good, who cares if the nobel peace prize people acknowledge it or not.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
@El the erf (109):
Ah, I will bite then…
Why is Iraq now a “naturally depleted country”? Is there something I missed?
And…
Trying to compare Iraq’s war and subsequent civil strife to the Holocaust is lamentable. The Holocaust was a systematic attempt to eradicate what the Nazis deemed undesirable people. These were people whose only “crime” was their religion, “race”, sexual orientation, disability and political beliefs. They were rounded up in camps, forced to live in inhumane conditions and forced to work. They were underfed, overworked, beaten, raped, shot, put in gas chambers, experimented on, etc. All government sanctioned. How on Earth is Iraq anything like this in practice or scale?
Are you just ignorant about the Holocaust, or an insufferable arse?
I could really go on and on about this and make a better post. But its very early in the morning for me (5:30), I have things to do, I‘m hung-over, I need to find a way to apologise to a lass, and this is something you really should research yourself.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Nice to see somone from Pakistan
Hope all Pakistanis turn peaceful.
November 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
And just to try combine two conversations in to one. Cos I am all powerful like that. Here is an exert from a George Orwell essay on Ghandi:
“In relation to the late war, one question that every pacifist had a clear obligation to answer was: “What about the Jews? Are you prepared to see them exterminated? If not, how do you propose to save them without resorting to war?” I must say that I have never heard, from any Western pacifist, an honest answer to this question, though I have heard plenty of evasions, usually of the “you’re another” type. But it so happens that Gandhi was asked a somewhat similar question in 1938 and that his answer is on record in Mr. Louis Fischer’s GANDHI AND STALIN. According to Mr. Fischer, Gandhi’s view was that the German Jews ought to commit collective suicide, which “would have aroused the world and the people of Germany to Hitler’s violence.” After the war he justified himself: the Jews had been killed anyway, and might as well have died significantly.”
http://www.george-orwell.org/Reflections_of_Ghandi/0.html
November 4th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
“…an *excerpt* from a George Orwell essay…”
November 4th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
The Holocaust. Truly horrible. I don’t know the exact death toll but from memory it is somewhere in the vicinity of 5-6 million?
However, a bit of perspective – The Death toll from Mao Zedong’s regime is conservitively estimated to be 40 million (with speculation it could be as high as 75 million!). 20 million in forced labour camps. Throw in famine on top of that.
But I guess they all just look alike to y’all?
November 4th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
@Thom (233): see comment #116.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am
whats funny about caeser chavez is that he did soooo many good things in his life, and even though we recognize his birthday as a holiday, it isn’t a holiday in the sense that schools and banks and things like arent closed. there is actually a statue of him at my school Cal State San Marcos
November 5th, 2009 at 1:17 am
Everyone on that list is a great humanitarian, deserving of great adulation.
Humanitarianism is different to peace. People often fail to recognise that distinction, and just feel that the Nobel should go to the “best” person.
There are maybe four people on that list who would realistically be contenders for the Peace Prize.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:47 am
oh man lol at the randall radiohead/acdc debate!!!
and also, steve biko? a nobel peace prize? oh lol. nice. but no.
good list though.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:12 am
@GiantFlyingRobo (208):
I bag groceries at the foodmart now. I don’ think the boss likes me very much.
I saw an automobile once when I was a kid… now, they’re everywhere.
WOYZECK WAS HERE.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:16 am
@mom424 (234):
Thanks for that mom
As one who often gets peeved at the seeming bias in favour of the holocaust as the worst genocide ever when there are other numerically much larger ones it is good to be reminded that the reason is more than just a Western bias and a good PR campaign by Israel and surviving Jews.
Cheers
Lee
November 5th, 2009 at 2:40 am
Actually Pope Pius XII was renamed as Pope Gutless Bastard I
November 5th, 2009 at 3:13 am
Thanks for this list. I needed that after the bleak bystander syndrome-list.
November 5th, 2009 at 4:19 am
@bellmyra (8)
I was going to link his wiki page here but you already did.
[i]I could not have acted otherwise, and I therefore accept all that has befallen me with love.[/i]
For a man who lost everything in order to do the right thing, he trully deserved more recognition.
November 5th, 2009 at 4:50 am
#10 was passed over for Al Gore? Seriously?
November 5th, 2009 at 6:56 am
@Woyzeck Returns (238): Are you thinking of ways to violate your parole? Andy is down in Mexico, you know…
November 5th, 2009 at 8:29 am
@austrian_death_machine (235): I´m Mexican and ashamed to admit that I have never heard of Cesar Chavez before. I assure you that 99% of non-emigrant Mexicans don´t know him either.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Al Gore must know about Irena Sendler…if he had one ounce of class he would give up his prize and give it to her, albeit posthumously at this point…the woman endured torture at the hands of the nazis, all her limbs broken, and left for dead in the middle of the woods and still wouldn’t give up the location of hidden Jews…and then kept doing it after she healed!!! What did Al Gore do??? A PowerPoint presentation. The committee that awards nobels should give themselves a prize for ass kissers of the century.
November 5th, 2009 at 10:44 am
…knowing this makes me not have even a little sympathy for his presidential bid in 2000…oh and these people make obama’s win for his speeches look utterly pathetic too.
November 5th, 2009 at 11:13 am
The Nobel committee will always be a source of wonder for those of us who think or just feel. It’s only political and poor Albert must be spinning in his grave. The committee reminds me of some people who are thinking rationally, and then every other year, they go in the back room and sally forth with white powder clinging to their nostrils and lose all contact with reality.
November 5th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Gandhi was a hideous old nutsack who claimed to believe in non-violence while preaching death against both his enemies and several groups of non-Indians.
But of course, you’re not allowed to say so in public because if you are you’re an imperialist or a fascist and must therefore be castrated.
November 5th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
@Woyzeck Returns (249):
I’m glad somebody’s said that, Gandhi was a complete prick. Totally overrated. Same as Mother Teresa, she was a nob as well.
November 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Where are you from Psychosurfer, I do not think your statement is correct. Cesar chavez is very well known by the Mexican American community in the Southwest. Schools, High Schools,colleges, buildings and many monuments have been erected in memory of this man
Talk about commitment
this men fasted for 36 days to prove a point
November 5th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
@Woyzeck Returns (238): Okay, it’s you. But I was kinda expecting a more vulgar, foul-mouthed, and/or disgusting response. You dissapointed me, Woyzeck(Returns).
November 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
The Nobel Peace Prize is 100% political award, just like all other Nobel awards. I’d rather receive a reward from a nonprofit, poor association rather than a rich one staffed by blowhards. So lawyers issuing back slapping prizes to other lawyers. What a lawyer paradise!
November 5th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Ok, the first mass arrests of Jews in WW2 were made in 1938, after the “Crystal Night”. I’ve always heard the Catholic Church with all it’s influence did nearly nothing to prevent the holocaust. All of Germany was catholic, and by 1939, all hell was breaking loose, and anyone outside Germany at the time would have realized Germany and Hitler’s intentions toward Europe and the Jews. The Pope decides to be Neutral. After so many people on the list who actually risked their lives for peace, you put a controversial leader who wouldn’t even risk his reputation for number 1. C’mon!!!
I’ll shut up about Obama. If I go off on that crap, it would take up a whole blog. The Nobel peace prize is really nothing but a bad, bad joke.
November 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Shouldn’t this be “Another Top 10 People Robbed of a Nobel Prize” list. It was already done before. Ah I welcome myself back
November 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
@ Archiealt (250) While “Mother Teresa was a nob” is a perfectly valid contribution to these comments (!), maybe you could elaborate on your view?
November 5th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
They should have the awards…
i hate biased people.
November 5th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
@wattatripp (254): All of Germany was NOT Catholic during WW2. There was a large amount of Catholics in Germany, but most of them were Lutherans. Still others were Protestant. Just a correction.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:02 am
@GiantFlyingRobo (258): You are correct… I got carried away… But nevertheless, my argument still stands. Another thought: given the criteria that is used for the awards today, and the current winners, maybe PPXII should be on the list.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:05 am
who are all these people? (c) I am just joking! thank you for one more great list which helped me to learn some new information for myself! your posts are always very interesting and informative! that is why they are so popular with comments I think! good luck!
November 6th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Pope John Paul II is missing from the list.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:53 am
The Holocaust-story is the greatest hoax of history.No such thing happened.You know the number of GERMAN jews killed in the war?A little above 10 % 12 – 13 %.
Hitler who came to power in 1933 tried for at least seven yaers to persuade the jews to leave Germany.With some succes (Kissinger and many many others had no problem with leaving, most choose of course the U.S.).
Stalin killed many more jews (who were often party members).After the war at the Nuremberg-trials the killings were mostly put in the shoes of Hitler Germany (the clearest example being the Katyn massacre).These are the facts.You want to know : read the exellent book of Robert CONQUEST : The Great Terror (about the Stalin purges in the thirties.
November 6th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Ariane
How do you explain away the meticulous records the Germans themselves kept, documenting their Final Solution? Remember, they thought they were going to win. They were documenting their “glorious achievements.”
And how sweet and considerate of Hitler to tell tax-paying long-term citizens of the country that they could leave “if they wanted to.” Citizens who had lived there for centuries! Citizens who had fought in the First World War FOR Germany! And go where? Do you remember the immigrant quotas even the “open-armed” US had?
November 6th, 2009 at 6:45 am
@tony (263):
as in Gore hate, facts doesn’t matter
November 6th, 2009 at 7:59 am
@Devildog (251): I the key words there were Mexican Americans. I think what Psychosurfer was trying to say is that this man is not very well know to Mexicans (people who still live in Mexico and have not emmigrated to the US).
November 6th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Ionz09 said about Randall:
“He is an incredibly arrogant individual who takes great pleasure in bashing and flaming all those around him. He has no life but on the Internet, and has claimed this site as his own. He rules his online kingdom with an iron fist, and verbally smites those he disagrees with. He is truly an ass, and has nothing better to do with his life. If you even sneeze in a way he doesn’t approve of, you will be annihilated.”
You forgot “hypocritical, immature jackass”, but I agree for the most part.
“And now, the truth.
Randall in fact has very few qualms against people disagreeing with him. No, it’s true. But, he has a big problem with: arrogance, ignorance, immaturity, and irrelevant personal attacks.”
Really? have you even read most of his posts, which start off with, “Ok you ignorant asshole, you’re wrong and you better listen up.” Randall is the epitome of an an 5-year old, immature jag-off. Actually, that’s an offense to most 5-year olds. Randall’s worse. Most of what he ponitificates as “fact” is nothing more than his left-wing vitriolic opinion. Randall is nothing more than a pompous internet dweeb who throws tantrums when he is called out.
November 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@Steelman (266): Well sir, you will notice the phrase “ignorant” you were so kind to include in Randall’s metaphorical commencing phrase. I even stated in my post that Randall hates ignorance. If the person says something he disagrees with, AND doesn’t APPEAR to know what they are talking about by supporting with *solid* facts, Randall feels it necessary to chew them out. Some will argue he is just an asshole, but I’ve actually conversed with the guy, and he’s pretty cool, as long as you aren’t ignorant/mean/a suck up. You may have just ruined your chances of ever being cool with him, but you probably don’t care, so nobody lost anything.
November 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Tony,
Those “meticolous records” are not what you think them to be.They were listings of people who were arrested on PENAL grounds and put in concentration camps.There was always mention of the reasons why they were arrested.
They could be, it is true, political prisoners (but remember there had been a spartakist coup in Germany after WW.1.-Germany was infiltrated as many other european countries (Spain, France even G.B.) by communist agitators (many of them jews).Others like f.i. were homosexuals who were imprisoned for pedophilic acts and rape of children (so there was no systematic persecution of gays), others as f.i. gypties were caught for theft.These groups were interned because they had commited crimes.
Hitler wanted the jews to leave Germany because he held them responsible for catastrophes that happened to Germany especialy the great depression.That crisis was a disaster to Germany, millions of jobless who could no longer feed their families, the burden of the repayments Germany had to make, hunger deseases starvation of large parts of the population.The depression was a DIRECT consequence of the monetariy policies of Wall street and the American government (Hoover).Most jews sold their properties before they left Germany.They were not looted.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:28 am
You need to include Rosalind Franklin
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1004244,00.html
November 6th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
@Steelman (266):
Get a sense of humor you moron.
As for “calling me out,” you haven’t managed that feat even once, so please let’s not get absurd. I’d love to hear how you or anyone else here has ever “called me out” in any way that ever proved anything but an embarrassment for the person in question.
As for my “left-wing” vitriol… I guess that says it all, right there. You adhere to a marginalized, broken, and sick political philosophy that no longer has relevancy. Your attacks on me are nothing more than the wailings of a crippled old curmudgeonly bear that doesn’t know it’s drawn itself into a hopelessly tiny corner.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
@Ariane (268):
Take your Holocaust denying ass out of here. I haven’t the patience or time right now to deal with you, but if you want a fight over this I can promise you one.
November 6th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Insults are not arguments.They should be based in facts.
One should remaine civilised.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
@Randall (271): I think she drew the fight card.
@Ariane (272): Ignorning the facts is just as bad. You only see part of the picture…not all of it.
Hitler wanted to WIPE OUT the Jews. He didn’t politely ask them to leave. Extermination was his goal. Hitler being portrayed as a compassionate leader asking the Jews to leave for whatever reason is nothing but Nazi propaganda.
I agree with Randall. Take that sort of nonsense out of there.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@Ariane (268): Remain civilized? That would require NOT denying basic historical truths. Have you not seen the archive footage of the german citizens cleaning up the camps? What do you figure those emaciated corpses were? Would you care to explain the discrepancy between pre and post war census? Where do you think all the Jewish folks went? On holiday?
You also deny the accounts of those who survived? And the aforementioned meticulous records kept by the Nazis? Your blatant hate-based ignorance (for that’s all it can be) does not require civility – you don’t deserve it.
November 6th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
mom424
In the last months of the war Germany was bombed out.There were severe shortages everywere,most railways, bridges, highways were destroyed by allied bombings (have you ever seen the pictures of bombed-out german cities).
The camps could no longer cope with catering food and medecines.The german civilians themselves died with the hundreds of thousands.Epidemics of typhus broke out (and it takes little time to change a healthy man into a skeletton when one catches these deseases).
The census: there are no fiable censuses.They differ largely and are often contradictory.Remember there were constant migrations in pre ad post war Europe.
The accounts.It depends on what accounts.Many were fabricated by comissions set up by Stalinist (russian and polish)regimes.What do you think f.i. about the veracity of the witnesses at the Nuremberg trials who testified that the Germans were responsible fot the mass-mureders at Katyn?Answer please.
Of course I do not denie that many jews were killed f.i. by the einsatzgruppen, at the eastern front.But many more non-jews were killed.The war at the russian front was horrific.I would advise you to go to the library and read some SERIOUS books about history.I get the impression that many people are completely ignorant on this subject and only get their information from Holywood films.
November 6th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
@Randall (270)@Randall (270):
“I’d love to hear how you or anyone else here has ever “called me out” in any way …”
Thanks for continuing to make my point. You’re a pompous jackass who will never admit that most of your posts are opinionated vomit.
“You adhere to a marginalized, broken, and sick political philosophy that no longer has relevancy.”
Oh really? And what may that be? What, in your oh so great telepathic ability could you even tell what my philosophy may be? You give yours away in just about every post, just as you did in your response to Radiohead.
Really, what is it with you? Did your mom withhold candy from you one Halloween night and you never recovered?
November 6th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
@ianz09 (267):
The problem is that Randall takes many subjective issues and believes his one and only opinion miraculously becomes a statement of fact. Believe me, I’ve been down that well worn path before with him.
I once posted that history may very well judge former president Bush in a positive manner in the future. Note, I said ‘may’, not that it would absolutely happen. History shows it has happened with Adams, Truman, and Reagan already. Adams was marginalized as a president for 200 years. Truman left office with a 22% approval rating (worse than Bush’s 33%). Reagan left with the opinion that he was an old, senile war-monger. Things have changed for all three today.
Well, you should have seen good ole’ Randall’s reply out of nowwhere (the post was not directed toward him at all). Let’s just say he was a complete jackass as his left-wing psychosis reared it’s ugly head in a rant that must of took an hour to type. Believe me, I would prefer not to converse with such a person, but I will call a spade a spade, or in this case, a jackass a jackass.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Steelman, well said. As one who has served the starving in refugee camps, the other day on the “Bystander effect” list, I posted a thoughtful alternate view of Carter. Randall completely ignored it. Now, he’ll say it wasn’t worth replying to but go back and read it for yourself. Sometimes he adds meaningful comments (a lot of times actually) and sometimes he just rants. In the short time I have been here, on several occasions I have stated that i was stood corrected. Maybe Randall has as well but I’ve never seen it. The man seems to have no understanding of the wonderful nuance that history and lists for that matter, so often is. I’m no conspiracy theory advocate but I’m not going to say that all of them are doing it because they want to believe that their the only ones with the truth. A lot of conspiracy activists are actually the only voice of opposition. Also can you imagine the balls on someone who says that the Nobel committee robs people. Have they seen the list of committee members? Jesus, its members run the spectrum of political philosophies.
And all this Al Gore bashing, again, for the love of God, the man presented the Global Warming problem to the world! What more do you want?
I love this site but I’m sick of seeing people argue its political bias. Why would anyone try to argue that? Its largely conservative. Who cares? Thats not an insult. this isn’t a news org. Jesus, I also read the New Yorker and as a liberal I would never try and argue a conservative about it having a liberal bias. It does, so what? Listverse does as well. Who cares? But to argue it, thats ridiculous. People on here too often try to argue things that they have no reason arguing. In fact, I imagine it would be impossible to create a list site that didn’t have some sort of bias. I think JFrater, whoever the hell he is, does a great job and honestly, I enjoy the bias because its thoughtful and often makes me rethink my world view. No one is saying that its a bad thing but to deny it outright, thats just insane.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
@Chanchita (256):
No no, I think ‘Mother Teresa was a nob’ pretty much covers all I have to say on the matter. I suppose I could say she was an old nob, but that doesn’t take in to account the fact that I only knew her as an old nob. I’m sure she was young once. Or maybe not, who know, maybe she was just born an old nob.
November 6th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Steelman is very stupid. This post was not directed toward him (Steelman) at all. Honestly
November 6th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
@sammie davis (281): Actually, this is Listverse. A quick correction.
November 7th, 2009 at 12:54 am
@Randal (154): you are a very angry person. typical democrat. just can’t stand having someone oppose your views. it’s people like you that are destroying your country.
i’m not an American – but am an admirer and have been witnessing BS remarks and attitudes such as yours for years. makes me very very worried for your country.
Grow up and understand that everyone has an opinion – even if it opposes yours!!!!
November 7th, 2009 at 12:56 am
@sammie davis et al
My God You Suck!
November 7th, 2009 at 2:33 am
no you suck!
November 7th, 2009 at 3:25 am
@sammie davis (284): You were deleted as your comments offended others. Your comments you have now, most likely will go the same way. Grow up.
Jamie, who runs this site, has control over what he wants to put on his site and chose not to have your comment on there.
November 7th, 2009 at 10:17 am
143: Ohlala
That’s the most stupid comment that i have seen.
Did Nelson Mandela single handedly end Aparthied?
Did Lincoln single handedly end slavery?
Did Johnson single handedly bring civil rights movement?
With Gandhi & all great leaders, they inspire people & lead by example and serve as an example for the rest.
BTW, i didn’t say that Gandhi was the only person who got India its independence!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:25 am
135: Radio Head: The last i saw, Obama didn’t lead your country to war through lies, didn’t abandon the war against the 9/11 perpetrators, took the US economy to the brink and leave hundreds of thousands jobless. And for that ALONE, he deserves the NOBEL PEACE PRIZE!
If awarding the prize made republicans burn in anger, that the BONUS for the world.
Anyway, since you claim to be republican, i want a question answered: Why is that the Republicans look to Ronald Reagan as a war president (when he was only a supporting player in the USSR collapse) and never invoke the name of Roosevelt who ensured WWII victory. Is it a shame to respect him for his services? Is partisanship so much ingrained into the blood of the republicans?
As a parting gift, let me reveal sometime to you: You are able to criticize Obama and sleep at home in comfort because you live in a DEMOCRACY!
November 7th, 2009 at 10:30 am
153: If you gave Mohandes Gandhi the Nobel Peace prize, you would probably also have to give him the Nobel prize for capitulation, racism, division and nationalist isolation
My response: Please come back to your senses and we can have a meaningful discussion.
November 7th, 2009 at 11:28 am
@Mememe (242):
Completely agree with you. Unfortunately, instead of being known for great men like Aristides de Sousa Mendes or even Henry the Navigator, Portugal is known for those excellent examples of the human kind such as Cristiano Ronaldo…
Now tell me, if you know of Aristides de Sousa Mendes you must be portuguese.
November 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
this shit is racist!
November 7th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
@L (280):
Nice, intelligent comment. Really – who are you? Wasted space I presume.
November 8th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Can somebody explain why Steelman is replying to post #280, it’s clearly stated that “This post was not directed toward him”
Oh and welcome to XXI century, America
November 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Great, another interesting discussion hijacked by the “I HATE RANDALL” club. Yes, yes, you´ll all incredibly interesting, and your hate postings are all incredibly original and clever. Now, can we please get back to the topic at hand?
Most of what he ponitificates as “fact” is nothing more than his left-wing vitriolic opinion.
If that´s the way you feel, then how bout you come back with some well-thought out and researched facts of your own? See, that´s just the point. You post something without citing facts, you get called out on it, and all you can do is come back with “Randall, you´re such a meanie…” Grow up.
You´re the epitome of a 2-year-old whiner. Actually, that’s an offense to most 2-year-olds…. and most whiners.
November 9th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Can someone please explain to me why we, The LV community, seem to be collecting Holocaust deniers and skeptics?
@ Ariane #275 – Listen freak, I don’t know what your malfunction is, but the only libraries I go to have books upon books about the Holocaust, accurate books. You know, stuff we all learned about in Jr. High history? We’re all pretty much on the same page when we say that the Nazi’s systematically robbed and killed Jewish people. When I say ‘we’re’ I mean the people who DON’T have their head up their ass. Sure, we’ve all seen movies made about it, but that was AFTER a teacher told us from a REAL history book about WWII and the Nazi’s program of eradicating Europe of Jews.
See, the ‘books’ you’re reading are published by Aryan Skinhead douchenozzles. And when you try to pawn that bullshit off on the rest of us as fact it only proves one point, YOU’RE INSANE.
And while I’m on a roll here, since you can’t seem to spell, use grammar or punctuation with any efficacy, it proves that not only did you not pay any attention in social studies class, you were pretty much asleep in English class too.
To coin a phrase, stupid, ignorant and racist is no way to go through life.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
@bucslim (294):
Was it you who coined the phrase “dunderheaded coconut”? I think it applies… Though “douchnozzle” is pretty freaking hilarious as well….
November 9th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
@GTT (295):
I believe Patton Oswalt was the first one I heard to utter the term ‘douchenozzle.’ And I must unpleasantly add that it was ‘Smell the barf,’ . . . er I mean El the erf who came up with dunderhead coconut.
November 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
@bucslim (296): Thank you kindly for your comments. Cracking up over them. *snort* smell the barf…hahahahahahaha!
November 9th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
@oouchan (297):
I know it doesn’t have anything to do with this list, but I like Skittles!
What’s the square root of 45? I need to know right now, ha ah ha ha!
I can’t wait for Thanksgiving, even though it’s a long way to grammas house!
My calculator only has 15 digits, what’s yours have? LOL!!!
Buying new shoes is great, but they give me blisters!
Why is everyone telling me to shut up? It’s not like I want my name up on the top commenters page. Me=sad.
I just love that new car smell, so I put one of those new car smell trees in my old car, now it smells new!!!
Green M-n-M’s make you horny, but red ones makes you smart and I ate a lot of those today!!!!
That was my awesome imitation of Smell the Barf.
Secretly hoping that he, she or it won’t notice that I’ve mentioned them. If they do, we’ll be treated to more brilliance.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
@bucslim
Very well put, and your imitation of Erf is uncanny.
Besides their ridiculously flawed capacity for reason, these Holocaust deniers also all seem to lack the ability to construct a sentence with anything resembling proper grammar, syntax, and spelling.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
@Scratch (299):
I’ve learned my lesson for flaming someone with bad spelling and grammar, because when I was doing it I fudged something up myself. But this was a fastball in my sweet spot, I have to swing.
November 9th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
@bucslim (298): You owe me a new pair of britches for that one! hahaha! Of course it will be noticed….and commented on…forever.
@Scratch (299): I get the feeling when they (meaning the deniers) are so eager to share thier “knowledge” that they barely take time to read what they write. Basically, “throwing up” their post as if to say “There! See what the truth is in my small little world?” and see what we all make of it.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
@bucslim (298): You scared me there for a minute before I realized you were channeling a certain spirit. Uncanny by the way. That imitation made me start twitching in exasperation… same reaction I get to the genuine article!
That said, yummmmmmmmmmm…. Skittles.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
@bucslim
lol. You didn’t miss this time, that’s for sure.
@oouchan
Yeah, “throwing up” their posts is a good way of putting it. I think their messy posts resemble their scattered thought process.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
@bucslim (298): Funny stuff, bucslim.
November 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Alright already, why don’t you two just make out and get it over with.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
@bucslim (298):Friggin’ hilarious!
November 9th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Thanks much GFR, Davy, Scratch, GTT oouchan
‘preciate all the love, but if I was really imitating Smell the Barf, I would have spread those chestnuts over 30 or so individual comments. Cause you know – I get my name on a list and a cookie.
November 9th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
@bucslim (307): HAHAHAHAHA! The cookie part got me.
November 11th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Bucslim,
Robert Conquest is one of the most respected historians concerning WWII, Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Stanford University.Your commentaries are nothing but a series of verbal abuses.English is not my native tongue.I don’t know what books they made you read,but I would advise you to throw them away as you seem completely ignorant about the facts.Still waiting for the answer on Katyn.
November 11th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Um, Ariane?
Robert Conquest has never denied the Holocaust, he is an historian specializing in the Soviet Union.
He would condemn every single argument that you have presented on this page, including your attempt to use the Katyn massacre as a smokescreen in order to argue that the Nuremberg trials were unfair.
Get a life, you Nazi disease.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@Ariane (309):
“Robert Conquest is one of the most respected historians concerning WWII, Research Fellow at the Hoover Institution and Stanford University.”
So?
“I don’t know what books they made you read,but I would advise you to throw them away as you seem completely ignorant about the facts.”
Standard American and World History books from public schools is what I read. Throwing them away won’t change the facts. You have not presented anything that makes your argument the least bit compelling. There’s no doubt that those Bolshevik bastards did their fair share of atrocities at the close of the war, systematically robbing, raping and killing of Jews wasn’t one of them. No doubt some Jews were mistreated, relocated and killed during Stalin’s reign, but they weren’t herded into concentration camps, tortured, raped, mutilated and left to rot. General George S. Patton was right about one thing, we should have rolled our tanks into Moscow when the Nazis were defeated and kept those sonsabitches corralled up where they belong.
Ole’ Blood and Guts aside, I simply will not get into a debate with a person of your ignorance. Your initial statement that the Holocaust as being a hoax is proof enough to me that you have no respect for something as obvious as a historical certainty. I would suggest that you go back under the rock you slimed out of and keep your dimwitted, ignorant and ridiculous bullshit to yourself.
November 12th, 2009 at 4:19 am
I can assure you that this will be my last comment on your not so interesting website.The debate will be closed but others will open it, the truth always surfaces in the end.You say “Bolshvik bastards did their fare share of atrocities at the close of the war but systemativally robbing, raping and killing of Jews was’nt one of them.”
No, they systematically robbed, raped and killed Russians,Ukrainians,Belarussians,Georgians,Kozaks,Germans,Latvians,Lithouanians,Estonians,Poles,Finns,Hungarians,Rumainians etc.etc. and in Stalins case a lot of Jews too.
I have no arguments?I have thousands, too many to be cited.Alow me just one.In his book “Two-hundred years toghether, Jews and Russians 1917-1972″ there is a very long list of Jews who where executed by Stalin in the purges (1936-1940).But a few lines further there is a sentence that almost made me fall from my chair :and I quote “But then, a surprising (that’s an understatement) information has filtred down that tells us that the notorious douchegoubki (gas chambers on wheels)were not invented by Hitler in WWII but by the soviet NKVD in 1937 and its inventor was a certain Ishaiah Davidovitch BERG, chief of the economic service of the NKVD oblast Moskow”.Now that little sentence definitetly cured me from my Holocaust-delusions and since then I never ever have read a book by the Weasel or the Wiesenthals.And I can assure you it made me very very angry too.
Ade!
November 12th, 2009 at 5:26 am
@Ariane (312):
Fantastic. One sentence from one book changes your entire outlook against a mountain of historical fact from countless historians, eyewitnesses, official documents and crystal clear evidence of Nazi Germany’s final solution to the Jewish question.
Well I have another sentence that will change your life for the better:
Piss off!
November 12th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Ariane,
In whose book? Solzehnezian’s?
Because really, that hackneyed grammatical nightmare of a sentence does not belong in any writer familiar with the conventions of the English language.
And even if the information it contains is true, it does absolutely nothing to refute the atrocities committed by the Nazis on the Eastern Front.
November 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Scratch, yes the author is Alexander Solzenitsine.
Alow me to quote from the book by Robert Conquest:
“As I write mass execution sites are known in several places: the one in Vinnitsa, discovered by the Germans in 1943,where over 9000 corpses were exhumed, even tough part of the area remain uninvestigated;one between Khabarovsk and Vladivostok,where some 50 000 seem to have been executed in 1937 and 1938;one at Gorno-Altaisk;one at Bykovnya, near Kiev;one,with over 46 000 bodies,near Leningrad;one near Tomsk;one close to the well-known grave site at Katyn;ner Chelyabinsk;near Poltava;in Donetsk;near Voronezh;and,above all,the mass grave at Kuropaty, near Minsk,of wich much was written in the Soviet press in 1988 and 1989,wich became the eponym of later discoveries and where no fewer than 50 000 victims lie buried,while considerably higher estimates have been given in the Soviet press.These included many from newly annexed western Byelorussia in 1939 and 1941 (five of the eight mass-graves actually dug up were of western Byelorussians, and three were from 1937 and 1938, though this may not be representative).The total in any case is unexpectedly large,especialy when five more sites are reported waiting investigation in or near Minsk alone,with others in the Byelorussian provincial capitals…”So Katyn is only the tip of the iceberg!
A bit further R.Conquest states “The Nuremberg judges examined the Katyn Affair from 1 to 3 july 1946(3 days for 20 000 murders?!)in a DERISORY fashion, and did not mention Nazi responsibility for it in their verdict;no evidence of any sort has ever been forthcoming from German prisoners or captured material of Nazi responsibility for this particular crime..”
So no mention of Vinnitsa, Bukovnya…
And who was one of the prosecutors at Nuremberg??Nikitchenko,a stalinist who had condemned thousands to death at mock-trials!If it wasn’t so tragic one would laugh oneself to death.Don’t you see the link between the mass-murders above mentioned and the protocols of Nuremberg?Think hard.
I am almost certain that many of the slaughterings (wich happened I agree) of Jews in f.i.the Baltic states, Ukraine a.o.were perpetrated by the local populations in revenge of what was done by the communist regime.
The question I pose again and again is : what did Churchill and Roosevelt realy know about what happened in the Soviet Union.They must have known.That makes them accomplices of Stalin.Look at the famous picture in Yalta and you see the three greatest mass-murderers in history.
November 12th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
@Ariane (312):
“I can assure you that this will be my last comment on your not so interesting website”
Not only are you ignorant and racist, you’re also a liar.
November 12th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
@ bucslim (316)
Give her a break, it’s hard for a Holocaust denier to write anything that isn’t a lie.
@ Ariane (315)
Ariane, the war crimes of the Soviets are not a new revelation at all. They do not erase the Nazi war crimes, and Robert Conquest has never and will never argue ANYTHING resembling that. It’s pretty clear to me that you don’t even understand what you’re reading half of the time – and I’m being generous.
The Katyn massacre was dismissed at the Nuremberg trials because the Americans and British knew that the Soviets were responsible. The Soviets were not on trial, the Nazis were. This was a trial for the Axis powers, and the Allied forces were bound by international law and their own military justice. (Not that that mattered to the Soviets)
At the Nuremberg trials, Nikitchenko’s extremism was tempered by the more balanced approaches of the British, American, and French judges. When the Katyn massacre was brought up by Nikitchenko, the other powers were embarrassed and the German defence was able to show conclusively that the Nazis had not committed this particular atrocity.
Wow, you’re stupid.
And no, the Holocaust against the Jews in Ukraine, Poland, and the Baltic States were perpetrated by the Nazis who often had help from the local populations. This was not a “revenge of (sic) what was done by the communist regime.” It was anti-Semitic hatred fomented by the racist Nazi ideology.
Roosevelt and Churchill did have an idea of what was happening in the Soviet Union, but it is Stalin and the Soviets who were responsible for their crimes. The British and Americans made a pact with the devil to defeat another devil.
Tek weh yuhself.
November 13th, 2009 at 3:09 am
“The Katyn massacre was dismissed at the Nuremberg trials because the Americans and British knew that the Soviets were responsible. The Soviets were not on trial, the Nazis were.” And why were these monstrous crimes commited by the communist regime (at least 30 million deaths)and the allies never judged?Because the Nuremberg trials were a gigantic revenge of victors on the vanquished.It was a show trial that had nothing to do with justice.The Allied Forces were bound to international laws ,you say,yes,some of wich they fabricated themselves, post factum, wich is contrary to every basic rule of justice.
Not only were there false witnesses (as in the case of Katyn) but the defenders were tortured (as in the case of Hoss).”The British and Americans made a pact with the devil…”exactly, but why did they ally themselves with the devil in the first place?
It is known that Churchill does not mention once the word “gaschamber” in his thick memoirs.Wasn’it because he knew well it was also a Russian lie and if he pretended to believe it,it would expose his whole diary as lies and propaganda.
I mentioned the sentence from Solzenitsine’s book because after I’ve read it,some questions kept creeping into my mind:why were the so-called “death-camps” like Auschwitz solely located in places that were “liberated” by the Russians and not by the Allies?But foremost:could it be that the Germans were accused by the Russians of atrocities THEY THEMSELVES HAD COMMITTED (as in the case of the “douchegoubski’s).In the case of Katyn it was all too obvious but could it also have been the truth of Auschwitz?After all these camps were controlled during even the last months of the war by agents of the red cross,whom had seen nothing of the “gassings”.(Was that perhaps one of the reasons that count Bernadotte was murdered?)What was the role of the propaganda by the Polish comunist regime after 1945;they “reconstructed” a gas-chamber, did they not?Why?It smacks of fraudulent evidence.
The allied powers very certainly made a deal with Stalin because their own gigantic atrocities (Dresden, Hamburg,Tokio,Hiroshima,Nagasaki etc.etc.) had to be covered up, so Stalin had probably no problem in imposing his secret deal.”I will not mention your little crimes, so dont’mention our little crimes”.
The victors were not the most righteous men there were the most ruthless!
And I don’t lie, I mention facts,wich you can look up for yoursleves if you wish.The problem is it is not just in Stalins ‘time that there is brainwashing, propaganda.
Look at the story above.Do you realy believe it?Ask yourselves the right questions.Why did she wait for 65 years to tell that story ?Are there still eyewitnesses alive (oh and there a Russian saying “he lies like an eyewitness”),how much money did the interviewer propose her to tell “her” story.I see that some people on this blog believe her.I can only crie out as that martyr who was burned at the stake because he defended the views of Galilei,when he saw a litlle old woman put a bunch of wood in the fire : “SANCTA SIMPLICITAS!”.
November 13th, 2009 at 8:11 am
“And why were these monstrous crimes committed by the communist regime (at least 30 million deaths)and the allies never judged?”
The Nuremberg trials were set up to judge the Axis powers. Was the USSR part of the Axis powers? No, they were not. Should the monstrous crimes of the Soviets been brought to justice? Yes, but that was not the purpose of the Nuremberg trials. If the Allies had wanted to bring the Soviets to justice, they would have had to wage another long and bloody war.
Again, because you’re a bit dense and it bears repeating, the Nuremberg trials were set up to judge the Axis powers NOT the Allied powers.
The Nuremberg trials used the Nazis’ own copious and meticulous records against them in addition to eyewitness testimonies. The Nazis were burnt by their own documentation of their crimes.
And again, not ONE Nazi was found guilty for the Katyn massacre at the Nuremberg trial. This only goes further in proving that they trials were fair and just.
Did the British and American forces commit war crimes? Yes, they unfortunately did. This must be placed in context of the Nazi policy of “total war,” their brutal war crimes, their oppression of the occupied countries, and their genocide of the Jews. This does not justify British and American war crimes, but their crimes are really dwarfed by the pure unadulterated evil perpetrated by the Nazis.
“Why did they ally themselves with the devil in the first place?”
Because, when you’re backed up against a corner by one devil, you best work with the devil that is fighting him on the other side. Does this mean that the British and Americans trusted the Soviets or promoted their methods? No. For further reference, please see the Cold War.
“It is known that Churchill does not mention once the word “gaschamber” in his thick memoirs. Wasn’it (sic) because he knew well it was also a Russian lie and if he pretended to believe it, it would expose his whole diary as lies and propaganda?”
I can see how your historical research is conducted. You fill in the gaps with your imagination.
“I mentioned the sentence from Solzenitsine’s (sic) book because after I’ve (sic) read it, some questions kept creeping into my mind:why were the so-called “death-camps” like Auschwitz solely located in places that were “liberated” by the Russians and not by the Allies?”
Rather, historical denial crept into your head after you had read regurgitated Holocaust denial misinformation on the internet.
Buchenwald, Dora-Mittelbau, Dachau, Mathausen, Flossenburg, Bergen-Bergen, and Neuengamme were all liberated by the Americans and British forces. Had the Soviets snuck behind enemy lines and built these concentration camps without the Nazis noticing? Do you even think about the words you’re typing?
As for your ridiculous assertation that camps like Auschwitz, Belzec, Sobibor, and Treblinka had been built by the Soviets in order to tarnish the good name of the Nazis, the camps were DOCUMENTED in photographs and on paper by the Nazis and were witnessed by locals, Jewish survivors, Soviet, British, American, and Canadian troops and admitted to by the Nazis who ran them.
“And I don’t lie, I mention facts,wich (sic) you can look up for yoursleves (sic) if you wish.”
Your facts have been weighed on the scales and found to be lacking – no wait – they’ve been found to be distorted and made-up.
“ I can only crie (sic) out as that martyr who was burned at the stake because he defended the views of Galilei,when (sic) he saw a litlle (sic) old woman put a bunch of wood in the fire : “SANCTA SIMPLICITAS!”
Don’t ever compare yourself to a martyr. A martyr sacrifices for truth, justice or the greater good. You, however, are the polar opposite: a selfish, racist, foolish Holocaust-denying Nazi. You sacrifice truth in order to feed your desperate need to perpetuate a dead and vile ideology.
November 13th, 2009 at 8:32 am
The nobel peace prize is a joke. Al gore won in 2007 because of his work on “Global WarminG.” And now obama got it for doing nothing but saying his country has made some mistakes in speaches overseas. Freaking JOKE.
November 13th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Nothing but stupid liberals, and their useless ideaology
November 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am
@Scratch (319):
Please stop using logic, facts, the truth and other valuable items to make a reasoned and competent argument. I’m getting aroused.
Besides, talking to a empty headed Nazi sympathizer while using these tools and being relevant isn’t working. And why isn’t it working? Because it never will. Deniers will continue to be intellectually lazy, disregarding plain facts and challenge the rest of us to look deeper into an issue that is as obvious as the noon day sun. History be damned, eyewitnesses and survivors be damned, public records be damned, physical evidence be damned and plain old common sense and courtesy be damned. They’re just going to build this house around their deeply ingrained racism and continue to positively revel in their own shitheadedness.
Simply put, they have no shame.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
@ buclsim (322)
Thanks, well said.
You’re absolutely right, it really does no good to try to reason with these shitheads. Everytime they’re shown that they’re wrong, they either repeat the same lie or switch to a completely unrelated lie. They’re impervious to logic or evidence because it’s so foreign to their brains.
It makese sense, though, Nazism is an ideology that embraces the anti-historical book-burning irrationalism that attracts the worst of humanity.
November 13th, 2009 at 10:03 am
@Ariane (318):
I´m confused… So basically, all the eyewitness accounts relating basically the same thing (torture and death at these camps) were completely made up? All these many, many people got together and said: “Let´s all lie about the same thing just so…” what? What was the objective?
Do you know how absolutely impossible it would be to maintain a conspiracy that massive secret all these years??? Does that really make sense to you?
November 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
To everyone who suggested Rosalind Franklin: When Watson and Crick AND MAURICE WILKINS received the Nobel prize, Franklin was already dead and therefore, ineligible to even be nominated, as the award cannot be given posthumously.
Franklin was working in Wilkins’ lab, and Wilkins went on after to work on confirming Watson and Crick’s hypothesis.
So in a way she was recognized and, however, she would not belong on this list anyway because the award was given based on a lot of research the men had done in the interim, not just on the double-helix DNA structure.
While her story is sad, she did not deserve a Nobel prize.
November 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Is that the real, famous, well-beloved lower-case anon?
November 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
@GTT (324):
Everyone knows the Jewish ’survivors’ lied because of the Jews great historical love for the Russian authorities
@Ariane (318):
The allied powers very certainly made a deal with Stalin because their own gigantic atrocities (Dresden, Hamburg,Tokio (sic),Hiroshima,Nagasaki etc.etc.) had to be covered up, so Stalin had probably no problem in imposing his secret deal.”I will not mention your little crimes, so dont’mention our little crimes”.
Yeah that’s right, never heard of any of these before.
Note for Ariane (because holocaust deniers are so gullible) my answers involve a high degree of sarcasm
Cheers
Lee
November 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I admit that some of the phrases I used were a bit crippled but that is because English is not my mother-language and I usualy write in haste.
What I realy meant is what someone called Jeremy from the UK wrote in a letter to Ynetnews on 12.22.07 and I quote:
“Teaching atrocities is all fine and dandy, but it needs to be based on facts, not on war time propaganda and inflated statistics, and other stories that have trough research turned out to be lies.In case you don’t have a clue to what I am talking about, youtube this (mass grave found in Ukraine).It’s a mass grave of 300 000 Polish Jews,the Germans accused,tried and convicted of this terrible crime, it was recently examined after 60 years of silence from the Soviets.Evidence nocw clearly proofs that the Soviets ,not the Germans did this.The commission that convicted the Germans of this,was the very same that made the first claim about the death camps.To date there have been six mass graves examined totaling almost a milion souls that were attributed to German brutality, onmy to realise after examining the evidence, that it was the Soviets that did this.But you won’t find this in any Holocaust lesson.How about Yitzak Arad..but what most don’t know is that he is also a war criminal,who commited murder while serving as an NKVD agent, the same group who killed all those 300000 Poles, of wich he took part, all the while being praised in Israel, but you won’t find that in a history book either.If genocides need to be taught in order to prevent them, maybe you as an Amercan,should focus on the largest genocide in history..The Native American genocide, but wait it’s better not to look at one own closet, isn’t it?!”
What I meant, Lee, is why are there hundreds of books, films, documentaries on f.i. the Titanic in which a few hundreds people perished, but never one about an “incident” that happened on May 3 1945 in wich almost 8000 survivors of Nazi concentration camps died.
I will tell you the facts I only came to know about two years ago (I quote from the …Jerusalem Post!):
By early May 1945, the rumours of Hitler’suicide had rekindled hope for beleagered prisonors of Nazi concentration camps.The red army had just conquered Berlin, the British held Hamburg and Americans were in Munich and Vienna.In these closing weeks of WWII, thousands of prisoners from the Neuengamme c.c. near Hamburg, the Mittelbau-Dora c.c near Nordhausen and the Struthof c.c. near Danzig were marched to the German Baltic coast.Most of the inmates were Jews and Russian POW’s, but they also included communists,pacifists, Jehova’s witnesses, homosexuals , prostitutes, Gypsies and other perceived ennemies of the Third Reich.At the port of Lubeck almost 10 000 camp survivors were crowded into three ships: Cap Arcona, Thielbeck, and Athen.
Altough the final surrender was imminent, British Operational Order no.73 for May 3 (so a few days before the end of the war) was to “destroy the concentration of ennemy shipping in Lubeck Bay”.While thousands of prisoners were being ferried out to the Cap Arcona, the RAF’s 263rd, 197th, 198th and 184th squadrons were arming their hawker Typhooon fighter-bombers with amunitions, bombs and rockets.At 2:30 p.m. at least 4500 prisoners were aboard of the Cap Arcona as the first attack began.Sixty-four rockets and 15 bombs hit the liner in two seperate attacks.As the British strafed the stricken ship from the air, Nazi guards on shore fired on those who made it into the water.Only 350 prisoners survived.
The Thielbeck-wich had been flying a white flag-and the poorly marked hospital ship Deutschland were attacked next.The Tielbeck was crowded with 2800 prisoners.The overcrowded freighter sank in just 20 minutes, killing all but 50 prisoners.So in less than 2 hours more then 7000 concentrationcamp survivors were dead from friendly fire.Two thousand more would have died had not the captain of the Athen refused to take additional prisoners in the morning of the attack…the tragic deaths of so many who had suffered so much for so long were quickly forgotten.”
Why were these war crimes never mentioned not even at the Nuremberg trials?That is what I meant with cover up.And why do we never see films or documentaries about the “Gustlof” or the persecution of millions of Germans driven out from their homelands in Eastern Europe of whom three millions died from killings, starvation and desease.
Because the perpetrators were not of the right kind.
I just can’t stand the unjustice, or maybe I should react like that Chinese who was asked what he tought about the French Revolution and answered : how can I have an opinion about that, it only happened 200 years ago!
In a hundred of years, I am sure of that, historians will have a completely different view about these conflicts.
In the meantime, again, get the FACTS right, or ponder on what a German once said : if you know nothing, you must believe everything!
And that will definitly be my last comment.
November 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Good, now fuck off, Aryan.
Convenient that you never responded to any legitimate points.
November 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
In the words of the Holocaust survivor, Rabbi Hugo Gryn, when confronting a Holocaust pseudo-scholar, David Irving: “Look me in the eyes and tell me it didn’t happen. Tell me that these people killed didn’t include my grandparents and my little brother, Gaby.”
November 17th, 2009 at 12:38 am
@Ariane (328):
Last comment maybe, but you seem to have learned nothing at all from these comments.
Why were these war crimes never mentioned not even at the Nuremberg trials?
FFS Hasn’t it sunk in yet. They, like the Soviet crimes were not brought up at Nuremberg because it was a trial of NAZI War Criminals ONLY. Not a general war crimes trial. To introduce it would be as relevant as introducing information about the US abuses at Abu Ghraib at the trial of Saddam Hussein.
Should these atrocities have been examined at another trial, maybe. Was that ever really likely to happen – NO!
Cheers
Lee
November 17th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Looks like I’m gonna have to start saving jews if I’m gonna have a shot at your next list!
November 17th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Add Greg Mortenson to the list. Greg Mortenson is the co-founder (with Dr. Jean Hoerni) and Executive Director of nonprofit Central Asia Institute http://www.ikat.org. Since a 1993 climb on Pakistan’s K2, he has dedicated his life to promote community-based education and literacy programs, especially for girls, in remote mountain regions of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Mortenson is also founder of Pennies For Peace http://www.penniesforpeace.org, co-author of the #1 New York Times best-seller, Three Cups of Tea: One Man’s Mission to Promote Peace…One School At A Time http://www.threecupsoftea.com, and author of Stones into Schools: Promoting Peace with Books, Not Bombs, in Afghanistan and Pakistan http://www.stonesintoschools.com.
- from http://www.gregmortenson.com
November 18th, 2009 at 8:26 am
@ Lee (331)
Well said.
November 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
A truly shit list. What about Nikola Tesla for inventing the radio, or Nicolae Paulescu who invented the insuline(and the prize for inventing the insulina was awarded to 2 canadians a couple of decades late).
And these people on the list should receive nobel for what? Gandhi was great indeed, but get a Nobel for Peace? HE STARTED A WAR! A non-violence war was, but a war.
November 20th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
@bellmyra
November 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
@bellmyra (289)

But does it really matter? Great people will always do great deeds, no mater if they get the credit or not.
ASMendes has a Virtual Museum (website) dedicated to him, and there’re wonderful images and movie clips of the thousands of people of all nationalities, creeds and walks of life who got through the borders, being given soup and bread by the locals in a completely selfless and very typically Lusitanian initiative, right under the political police’s and border patrol’s noses.
Though the rural communities had very little, as you probably know, the important thing was to get those people some much needed food and a few welcoming smiles. Regular country folk did that, which showed how empathic and kind we can be to our fellowman, even when we’re starving and being oppressed ourselves.
Were some of these newcomers Jewish, here, in a traditionally Christian nation? Were some of them rich refugies with dangerous connections to the enemy’s enemy? Or poor ones? Who cares? Get them a bowl of hot soup, they haven’t eaten for three days!
When the refugees got to the capital they spread out everywhere so the city wouldn’t collapse – the government allowed this as well and even demanded these foreigners got permanent residences so they would be accounted for and not left to sleep on the streets.
For a country which was supposed to be neutral and under a Fascist regime, there was a lot of good done at the time… So in the end, we all deserved a Nobel Peace Prize.
Very cool.
But pride in your own nation is a bit silly IMO – we’re just leasing the land for the 75 or so years we’re around, and borders change; they have in the past and they will in the future. Doing the right thing has to do with your heart, not your heritage or the people running your Government at a given period of time.
December 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Yor article has been copy/pasted without permission, just so you know :
http://www.metalhead.ro/Zece_oameni_carora_li_s_a_furat_premiul_Nobel-aid74008-l1
December 28th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
its sad that gandhi is even on this list, he does not deserve it. learn the truth people, dont b blinded by the popular media and the hype. yeah its very appealing to cast ur vote in the name of nonviolence but seriously, dont b distracted by that, do some research of ur own u’ll realize what a disgusting man he was.
January 7th, 2010 at 11:35 am
These 10 people should be happy ont to be included on a list that includes the likes of Barack Obama, Al Gore, Jimmy Carter, Yassar Arafat (to name a few).
January 7th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
Good points, I think I will definitely subscribe! I’ll go and read some more! What do you see the future of this being?
January 28th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Gandhi never deserved the Nobel Prize nor did he do anything for independence in India. If anything, his bullshit is what actually DELAYED the independence of India. Keep reading if you want to understand this. This is the biggest myth the west doesn’t understand. He was a puppet for the British government.
There were plenty of activists in India at the time, that sacrificed their lives at martyrs and killed many top ranking officers in the British Army. There was constant ‘terrorism’ i.e. rebellion from Indians in India when the British occupied, that the country become uncontrollable. Much like what you see now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Constant terrorism and rebellion, so they hired a puppet (Gandhi) that was Indian to calm everybody down i.e. trying to calm the terrorism and protests.
Truth is, it didn’t really work and the rebellion still continued.
Gandhi gets the credit for getting rid of the British ironically from who.. The British. Why are the British praising a guy who apparently kicked them out of one of the most wealthiest nations at THAT time. Why?
Because, his teachings of non-violence was really non-violence toward the occupying British. The British wanted the Indians to believe non-violence was the way as it allowed them to maintain their power for a very long time, minimizing uprising, rebellion and attack.
Another reason this non-violence crap is so praised by the British is because it let them save face when they left India, to make it worldwide as if they left on their own will instead of running away defeated.
If you do some research on Indian rebels such as Shaheed Bhagat Singh and Udham Singh, you will find that at that time alot of British people were getting royally fucked up in masses screwing up the government big time.
January 28th, 2010 at 5:02 pm
@DontTalkShit (342): Where’s your information sourced from? Wouldn’t mind reading into that.
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:39 am
The prize is a joke!!
Arafat won it and hundreds or even thousands of great people were denied it.
It’s political bullshit.
February 6th, 2010 at 8:00 am
Why was Abdul Sattar Edhi not Awarded the Nobel Prize or shoiuld i say In-Nobel Prize , with or without Nobel Prize he is a living Legend and he lives in peoples hearts and i Pray that he get a Longer Life .
There is no other person on Earth who deserves this Prize , but to say the Truth Nobel is a Small Prize for him , he has saved Millions of Lives all over Pakistan and he has buried almost 200,000 unclaimed Bodies all over Pakistan . He has set up Free maternity Hospitals , he has centers for Illegitimate Childrens , he is much much larger than Life than of the People mentioned above , they might have some intentions and motives for their Deeds but Edhis motive is to Just Help the People , no matter if they are Rich , Poor , Black , White , Jews , Muslims , Hindus , Christians etc ., unlike Mother Teresa whose intention was to spread Christianity Edhi has never once converted anyone to Islam or any other religion or Sect or thought . So i would whole heartedly support Edhi for a Nobel prize , But again i would say this Prize is very Small for him , this is just for recognition but for Edhi he says he does’nt wanst to be notice also he is a Great Human serving the Humanity and living for Humanity and Indeed he will be Given a Much Bigger Award from Allah and Allah Almighty will definitely give him a Much Bigger prize in this World and the hereafter . Ameen .