This week is thanksgiving week in the US, so it seems fitting that we should have a list especially for our American readers. This list looks at 10 of the great moments in the history of the US – ten of the reasons that you are giving thanks this week. These are in reverse chronological order, but they are also (coincidentally) very close to being in order of importance.
It was a symbolic moment in the history of the United States when the last racial barrier in American politics was overcome. Just 143 years earlier, the man who would now hold the supreme office in U.S. government could have been a possession, another man’s property. President-elect Obama said, “If there is anyone out there who still doubts that America is a place where all things are possible, who still wonders if the dream of our founders is alive in our time, who still questions the power of our democracy, tonight is your answer. “The road ahead will be long, our climb will be steep… I promise you that we as a people will get there.”
The moment seemed to generate memorable quotations. When Apollo 11, the first manned lunar mission, made contact with the surface of the moon, there was “The Eagle has landed.” When Neil Armstrong became the first man to set foot on the moon, he said, “That’s one small step for a man, one giant leap for mankind.” But the quotations didn’t end there. Frank Borman later was quoted by U.N. Secretary General U Thant as saying, “We saw the earth the size of a quarter and we recognized that there really is one world. We are all brothers.” A favorite Armstrong quote is, “I believe the good Lord gave us a finite number of heartbeats and I’ll be damned if I’m going to use up mine running up and down a street.”
The text of the bill was simple and straightforward: “No person in the United States shall on grounds of race, color, or national origin, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of or be subjected to discrimination under any program or activity receiving federal financial assistance.” Overnight, it became illegal to force segregation in schools, workplaces, and housing. Racial discrimination wasn’t dead, but it was dying. The addition of “sex” as a protected category was added by a southern legislator in the hopes that Democrats relying heavily on support from labor unions would defeat the bill. Unexpectedly, the bill gave women’s rights advocates additional ammunition.
Considered by some to be the noblest undertaking in American history, and by others to be a waste of the $12,000,000,000 that was eventually spent on the plan, the European recovery program had three objectives. George Marshall, Secretary of State under President Harry Truman, designed the program to promote European production, bolster European currency, and facilitate trade after the devastating effects of World War II. The purpose was to help Europe recover as a healthy trading partner and ally, and to repel the Communist threat from Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union. Marshall laid the groundwork for a revitalized Europe and the establishment of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. He received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1953.
The right of women to vote was achieved through decades of devoted work by determined men and women. In 1840, Elizabeth Cady Stanton and Lucretia Mott traveled to London as delegates to the World Anti-Slavery Convention. Because they were women, they were denied the right to speak. They determined to form an organization to fight for women’s equal rights. Over the years, supporters of women’s suffrage resorted to mass marches, hunger strikes, and denial of conjugal privileges to husbands who were opposed. In 1893, New Zealand became the first country to grant women the right to vote at the federal level. Australia followed suit in 1902, but it was not until 1920, when President Woodrow Wilson advocated for the women’s right as a war measure, that the 19th Amendment granted American women the right to vote. Wilson’s decision followed daily picketing of the White House by hundreds of women. By the time the amendment was passed, 500 women had been arrested there for loitering, and another 168 for obstructing traffic.
Lincoln believed that the purpose of the Civil War was to preserve the union. He wrote to Horace Greeley, “If I could save the union without freeing any slave, I would do it. If I could save the union by freeing all slaves, I would do it. If I could save the union by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that.” The Emancipation Proclamation did not free slaves in states loyal to the union or in states that had been reconquered. It only freed slaves in states “in rebellion that had not laid down arms by January 1, 1863.” Nor did it make slavery illegal. That change came with the Thirteenth Amendment in 1865. It did accomplish important steps, however. Twenty thousand slaves were freed immediately, and many more rushed to join the union advance into the South. Moreover, the proclamation won approval in France and Great Britain, effectively ending the Confederate States’ hope for recognition by those countries. Ultimately, more than 4,000,000 slaves were freed.
They were not the first settlers of Northern European origin. The natives there were quite accustomed to trading with white men, and Station Camp, near where the Columbia River empties into the Pacific Ocean, had 36 houses. Moreover, the Northwest Passage they had sought did not exist. Hoping that the Missouri River would gently lead to the sea had been in vain. The Missouri and the Columbia both had huge rapids and cataracts making river travel difficult and in some places impossible. But their journey had not been without value. Arriving at the Pacific coast exactly one year, six months, and one day after leaving St. Louis, Lewis and Clark had collected plant specimens, studied new animal species, and acquired priceless information about the geography and inhabitants of what would be the western United States.
President Thomas Jefferson faced a dilemma. Napoleon Bonaparte’s aggression made it likely that New Orleans, which was paramount in international trade, and the Mississippi River, which was vital for national and international commerce, could be closed to U.S. trade. He had learned in 1801 that Spain had retroceded its territory to France in a secret compact. But the Constitution had no provision for acquiring territory. Ultimately, Jefferson took matters into his own hands and dispatched envoys to see if Napoleon would sell. The emperor, facing a war with Great Britain, realized that he was unlikely to be able to defend the territory. He decided to sell for a total cost, including forgiven debts, of $15,000,000. The purchase doubled the country, including the territory of fourteen states. Napoleon was satisfied, as well. He said, “I have given England a maritime rival who sooner or later will humble her pride.”
The Federal Convention which had drafted the Constitution had no authority to impose it. An elaborate four-step plan for ratification was adopted. 1. The Constitution was submitted to Congress. 2. Congress transmitted the Constitution to the state legislatures. 3. Each state elected delegates to attend a convention and decide whether to ratify. 4. Ratification by at least nine of the thirteen colonies was required. This plan avoided the hostility of states’ rights advocates and made the Constitution less vulnerable to changes of opinion. In September of 1787, the Congress bitterly debated the Constitution and ultimately submitted it to the states with neither an endorsement nor a condemnation. The Constitution was validly before the people. The first five ratifications came quickly, but Massachusetts demanded a means of amending the document as a condition of ratification. This demand ultimately led to the passage of the first ten amendments, known as the Bill of Rights. Final acceptance of the document by the states took place in July, 1788.
Arriving at consensus was no small feat. At the beginning of the month, only eight of the thirteen colonies were in favor of independence, with New York abstaining from the vote pending a local decision. The American Prohibitory Act had made all vessels and cargoes from the colonies forfeit to the Crown, and in May King George had issued an order hiring German mercenaries to fight the colonies, which he now considered to be in total rebellion. Still, many believed the rift could be patched up. Jefferson was dispatched by a committee to write up a declaration explaining the views of those who favored independence. He completed the document in two weeks, starting on June 11, 1776. Then Benjamin Franklin and John Adams made additions and deletions, and at last it was presented to the full congress, where redaction went on until late at night on July 3. Finally, on July 4, 1776, all thirteen colonies signed “…the fragile object which bears so great a weight of meaning to our people.”
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1 Budget Buddy
November 25th, 2009 at 1:34 am
Nice list, as always. Though it looks like everyone’s on vacation–I seem to be the only early bird to give a comment.
2 Zack
November 25th, 2009 at 1:35 am
End woman’s suffrage! Woman have suffraged enough in the past. How is that a good thing?
3 dbrownl
November 25th, 2009 at 1:35 am
very important points made, thank gos you didn’t say obama winning the nobel prize
4 Joanne
November 25th, 2009 at 1:40 am
Another American list, eh? I think this list would’ve been a bit better if the items were arranged in chronological order. Now let’s wait for all the anti-American and anti-Obama comments!
5 azsed
November 25th, 2009 at 1:41 am
#10 killed the list…
6 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Excellent list. I know there will be a LOT of haters making snide, cynical remarks about how we “didn’t land on the moon”, or “shouldn’t have needed an Emancipation Proclamation in the fist place”, not to mention all the groaning that will be directed toward #10, and a whole bunch of other BS, but you did a great job capturing some of the finest moments of American history.
Happy Thanksgiving, to Americans and non-Americans alike.
7 dbrownl
November 25th, 2009 at 1:45 am
i meant thank god, and i’m not anti obama just against him winning the nobel prize
8 El the erf
November 25th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Ah, am I tempted to hum a particular Rammstein track.
9 dbrownl
November 25th, 2009 at 1:51 am
which one
10 Karl
November 25th, 2009 at 1:51 am
@Zack (3):
Ugh. Stupid sexist. It’s a good thing because:
1)Women DIDN’T have any suffrage rights before the late 1800s.
2)Everyone will have the right to vote anyone, including women.
3)Presidents get more votes.
11 Rodeny
November 25th, 2009 at 1:51 am
I ask why you do not post a list on the great accomplishments of other nations? England, South Africa, Lebanon (Phoenicia), Israel, Iraq (Mesopotamia), Persia (Iran), China (The Middle Kingdom), Russia?
12 Jay
November 25th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Good list. I bet there will be an anti Obama comment by comment 20
13 choochoo
November 25th, 2009 at 1:53 am
shit list!
14 undaunted warrior
November 25th, 2009 at 1:54 am
Nice list but I think the comments are going to make some interisting reading.
15 Steve
November 25th, 2009 at 1:55 am
“Anti Obama comments” offend Democrats same as anti Nixon comments offended “Republicans”.
16 azsed
November 25th, 2009 at 1:56 am
@Karl (11):
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb120/apollo114/1241591170853.jpg?t=1259139324
17 Bleh
November 25th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I support a socialist America!
18 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 1:57 am
@ Joanne (5):
“I think this list would’ve been a bit better if the items were arranged in chronological order.”
Uh…might want to take another look at the list.
@ Kevin (11):
Ugh. Before calling someone else stupid, maybe you should develop the cognitive ability to understand basic humor (you know, puns?).
@ Rodeny (12):
No one’s stopping you from taking your own advice. Why tell other people how to write their own lists? They ain’t exactly getting paid for this. They don’t “owe” you any services.
19 Rodney
November 25th, 2009 at 1:57 am
I support the death penalty and I think Bleh should go first.
20 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 2:00 am
Now, this is interesting:
10. Barack Obama elected president [Democrat]
9. Armstrong walks on the moon – JFK [Democrat]
8. The Civil Rights Act – JFK [Democrat]
7. The Marshall Plan – Harry Truman [Democrat]
6. Women’s suffrage – Woodrow Wilson [Democrat]
Looks like America’s finest moments since the 20th century have all involved…no, nah, shouldn’t draw any conclusions.
21 Rodney
November 25th, 2009 at 2:00 am
Haha, I din’t mean it that way Calm_incense. I didn’t demand anything. I simply meant that we should teach the youth of other cultures. I am an American, English blood from the Maine.
22 KTD
November 25th, 2009 at 2:02 am
Good list, interesting reading. Nothing wrong with positive list regarding progress.
Am a very big fan, first time to comment but have been visiting every day since almost the beginning of
the site.
23 Mindymoo
November 25th, 2009 at 2:03 am
I don’t care if I am the only one who says it: I love my president. I don’t agree with everything he does, but I don’t agree with everything anybody does. I think he is a man of great character, who inherited the presidency while the country was in a shitty situation, and is doing the best anyone possibly could. I sleep much better at night knowing that he is in charge, than I would knowing that John McCain is in charge, or Sarah Palin is a heartbeat away from the presidency. I am, and always will be, a proud liberal.
24 El the erf
November 25th, 2009 at 2:07 am
@dbrownl (10): “We are all living in america, america, americaaaaaa…” Wonderful whacky track from the german band..check it out on youtube. I’m using a cellphone, can’t possibly give you the link.
25 deeeziner
November 25th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Thank you for your sentiments but this list is a pile of crap, much like your last list Shannon. And we all know how THAT ended up.
–These are the reasons that you feel I should be giving thanks at MY holiday table this Thursday?!? I’m sorry, but IMHO, Thanksgiving is the holiday given to us by forefathers who had to struggle beyond our capacity to understand, with the unknown and new.
To come together in a new land, with the actual inhabitants and strive to LIVE, regardless of what our forefathers may have felt were the political and gender based right of their community.
In spite of whatever technological discoveries were available to them.
Please do NOT try to muddy the season with a self serving list of America’s “accomplishments” that were achieved almost two hundred years or more after the first meal.
When I give thanks this coming Thursday my thoughts will be with the hard working and good will seeking first Anglo-Americans and their Native American neighbors….And the items on THIS list will be just an everyday homage to enlightenment and discovery that are made from Man’s journey through history.
26 Rodney
November 25th, 2009 at 2:13 am
This list is made by a “SharonE” not “Shannon”.
27 symonee
November 25th, 2009 at 2:14 am
cool list ;
it’s 3:13AM & i was waiting for the newest list
28 deeeziner
November 25th, 2009 at 2:18 am
@Rodney (27): Well then I apologize to both parties….But my sentiments upon this list remain the same.
29 jfrater
November 25th, 2009 at 2:19 am
@Rodeny (11): Because it is not Thanksgiving in those countries on Thursday…
30 jfrater
November 25th, 2009 at 2:23 am
@deeeziner (25): I should point out that I wrote the introduction – so it was me suggesting that these might be remembered on thanksgiving (a holiday I obviously don’t celebrate as I am not American), not SharonE
31 Rodney
November 25th, 2009 at 2:26 am
True Mr. Frater but that can be said both ways. You should get involved here more often, we miss your comments brother.
32 Joanne
November 25th, 2009 at 2:27 am
@calm_incense (19): No, the list is in reverse chronological order. What I meant was Independence first, Obama last. But I did have another look at the list and it turns out I missed the list author’s reasons for writing it this way, and it’s fine with me.
33 KTD
November 25th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Mr. Frater, thank you for such a great site. Some list suggestions if I may.
-Human rights, Best and worst records.
-The Monetary System/monetary rule.
-Political sabotage. Problems caused by our governments without general public knowledge.
-Journalists and their accomplishments/hardships.
-Clandestine operations and cover-up’s exposed espionage and assassinations.
-Intelligence agencies and Special Forces groups like the following and their impact:
JTF2, KSK, SAS, Delta, DEVGRU/ST6, KGB/FSB, CIA/OSS, GRU, INTERPOL, NSA, DNI, ASIS, CSIS, MSS, Mossad, SID, MI6, NZSIS and many others.
-Russian arms dealers Viktor Bout.
-Iran-Contra affair, events 5 weeks prior to Lockerbie bombing and events in Gulf of Sidra during 80′s.
-The Venus Project.
-Great survival tales.
-Air disaster survivors.
34 deeeziner
November 25th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Well dammit Jamie, now I have to apologize again. Crap.
Shannon you have written a wonderful list of things that DO make me feel proud of my country.
But Jamie…These are not the things that I will be giving thanks to on Thursday….I still stand by forefathers and their struggle to make that first dinner.
BTW—Did this put me out of the running for the Christmas Competition? JK
35 deeeziner
November 25th, 2009 at 2:35 am
SharonE—God, am I obsessed or what?
36 corinthian0430
November 25th, 2009 at 2:35 am
it’s an unwritten Republican rule – VP candidates should almost always be dumbasses
case in point:
George Sr., Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin
37 Arsnl
November 25th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Damn eurocentric bastards. Typical for americans to put buying stuff in such a list.
But more seriously now i dont see how the marshall plan helped “repel the communist threath in eastern europe”. It did help western europe a lot but hey there’s more to europe than just its west
@jfrater : so when are you going to poste those submarine stories
38 demirah
November 25th, 2009 at 2:43 am
good to know about us history
thnx for the list
39 Mike B
November 25th, 2009 at 2:43 am
Lists I am working on (that will somehow include Barack Obama, though not necessarily in a mindless, sycophantic manner):
10 Ways Americans Are Trying To Appease Their Collective Guilt Over Things that Happened Hundreds of Years Ago
10 Corrupt Urban Political Machines That Birthed Successful, Mostly Clean Candidates
10 Fairly Ordinary Persons Worshiped As God-Like Figures By Fawning, Ignorant Masses
10 Naive Liberals Who Spent All Their Political Capital and All Their Constituents Savings In a Very Short Time
10 Presidents Who Made History As Being “First” at Something, Even if They Weren’t Very Good at Being President
40 seneca
November 25th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Great list, great photos, well-written!
41 seneca
November 25th, 2009 at 2:57 am
@Rodeny (11):
You write: “I ask why you do not post a list on the great accomplishments of other nations?”
I think the publication of the Philipine list went well. I was shocked at the enthusiam of the Philipine respondents. I think publication of that list was a risk, and it went very well.
I too hope that encourages Jamie to consider other countries. I learned from the list, and I learned MUCH from the comments.
Mike
42 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 2:58 am
@ Mike B (39):
Why’d you make Joanne (4) and Jay (12) wait so long?
43 Joanne
November 25th, 2009 at 3:06 am
@seneca (41): Yeah maybe a new category of lists is in order
44 Moloch1123
November 25th, 2009 at 3:11 am
@Joanne (32): Great idea! Then we can show how we have cycled from a government which crippled and oppressed us, to crippling and opposing others(slavery), to being crippled and opposed once again; this time by those we used to own.
Oh, by the way, no, I do NOT support that lying sack of filth Blow-Bama. He is constitutionally ineligible for the position of trust he holds, and as such should never have even been a choice on the ballots.
Obama was nothing but an Equal Opportunity Employment hire.
45 Friend of the Frodo
November 25th, 2009 at 3:13 am
lol the 9 weas in the moon and the 100 should be in a bettetr pocision go barack obama
46 Cernunnos
November 25th, 2009 at 3:14 am
armstrong’s most famous quote is a lie. it was one small step for him, but a step backwards for the u.s.
the lunar mission proved that america values winning a pissing contest, that the russians didnt really give a damn about, more than scientific research. bravo.
47 giantshredder
November 25th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Obama will also be in the list “Worst Moments in US History”.
48 Iain
November 25th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Does it really need saying that the key quote from the Obama item is “Just 143 years earlier, the man who would now hold the supreme office in U.S. government could have been a possession, another man’s property.”? Regardless of your personal estimation of the individual or current political views (extremists not withstanding), that does seem like something to be thankful for.
49 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 3:41 am
yeaah.. well ..ho-hum..m sure that most of the people here knew most of these points listed,huh??
50 DoctorAnoose!
November 25th, 2009 at 3:43 am
NOTE TO ALL ABOUT TO FLOOD THE SITE WITH ANTI-AMERICANISM:
These are only events in American history. Not the worlds history. No one is saying that these are world firsts so let’s avoid “that’s not significant” or “that happened elsewhere” or “but a greater event was”. Enjoy the list for what it is or bugger off.
(Greater things did happen earlier and elsewhere however. Haw!)
51 Snor
November 25th, 2009 at 3:43 am
The Netherlands is way cooler then the US
52 Stephan
November 25th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Com on man!
And what about things like:
The invention of powered flight (wright brothers first flight)
Edisons lightbulb
the invention of the internet
the detonation of the first atomic bomb (the single largest guarantor of global peace in our time)
All of these are less important then welfare for a destroyed Germany?
53 brosiusjb
November 25th, 2009 at 3:53 am
All you Obama bashers are funny. Even if he does wind up being a poor president the fact that he follows the worst president in the history of the nation will make him appear better by contrast alone. And this obama not a born american is funny, keep it up. We’ve been in a conservative era since Nixon was elected and the middle class has disappeared, we VOLUNTARILY started a 2 front was (Afghanistan wasn’t voluntary but Iraq was the height of frivolity) and the rest of the world hates us. Go Repubs! When your default solution for a problem is “do nothing, lower taxes” you can’t at the same time claim to be intelligent. Half of you probably believe the cure for cancer is the cutting of taxes. You Repubs had your shot with control of all 3 branches and we are where we are as a result. Need I remind you that the “do nothing” approach concerning OTC derivatives is the main reason we’re in global financial trouble? Consider that with the wars and your position on climate change and its fair to say you NeoCons didn’t just present the worst Constitutional crisis in the history of the nation as well as a deep recession, you let f’ed up the rest of the world too. But you’re correct, Obama trying to undo all that is a bad thing. Learn to read.
54 tallulahleigh
November 25th, 2009 at 3:55 am
O-B-A-M-A!!!
55 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Obama is much better than the evil and semi-illiterate Bush,much much better,much much better
56 7raul7
November 25th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I think the greatest moment in US history was declaring war on Iraq for non – existant reasons & invading Afghanistan to kill & capture the people America itself made, armed & trained.
Just lettin out some steam … pretty good list anyways
57 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:11 am
@7raul7 (56): You are right,citizen of Pakistan
58 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:34 am
I bet Americans would also be bored by this list.At least some humor could have been injected just to make it an interesting read
59 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:35 am
@gh0st (58): You shut your mouth racist idiot
60 astraya
November 25th, 2009 at 4:38 am
At this stage I’m not sure which is going to be more vociferous – the comments of non-Americans complaining that the list is too American, or some point of US foreign policy (as recently above) or the comments of Americans mass-debating the finer points of the current president.
BTW, both “America” and “US” are potentially ambiguous in theory, though rarely in practice. “America” (and “American”) could refer to the continent of America, and include everything from Baffin Island to Tierra del Fuego. “US” could refer to the Estados Unidos Mexicanos. If I was Canadian or Mexican, I would object strenuously to the hijacking of the term by one nation on the continent.
61 John
November 25th, 2009 at 4:40 am
@brosiusjb (53):
Don’t forget, these same people who blindly should ‘lower taxes!’ are crudely trying to undermine the most noble act of any citizen in the country. Forget being a soldier! who pays for the bombs? Taxpayers. Who pays for kevlar vests? Taxpayers. without taxes there wouldn’t be an army. I’m a total combat sissy but i’ll never skip out on or demand for lower taxes.
Not to mention all of our current socialised programs like school, police, fire, and other government-based services. Because those are evil, aren’t they? Oh yeah, by the way, they are very much socialised. A person who has no kids still supplies the money for a teacher’s paycheck.
Sorry, I digress.
62 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 4:44 am
@Geronimo1618 (55):
@7raul7 (56):
@tallulahleigh (54):
This is why I hate these lists. There’s no interesting discussion, just biased assholes spreading at the LEAST unintelligent support and more freuqently, lies or political garbage. I don’t care if you believe this BS – it’s enough. Get over yourselves. Bush-bashing serves no cause other than inflating your own damn ego.
As for this list, I think there are a few things missing – and it definitely seems to have some political slant on its’ own. And I don’t mean Obama in particular, just…why is winning World War II not on this list? Why don’t you ask someone that actually lived through the horrors of World War II, then think deeply for a minute or two if the United States’ intervention in the Pacific or Europe was one of the most significant events in world history, let alone US history.
And no, don’t correct me about the USSR and Germany – I know who took Berlin. But I also know why Germany’s forces were divided.
63 rocknopera
November 25th, 2009 at 4:50 am
You’re going to include Obama’s election last year as a top ten moment in US history? That’s absolutely outrageous. The last racial barrier was overcome? How ignorant. As if there were only blacks and whites in this country.
How about picking a President that accomplished something? I’m not taking about using tax dollars to have lavish parties or trips to NYC on a date with his wife.
This list is pathetic.
64 Pyderz
November 25th, 2009 at 4:50 am
I’d like to read a top 10 Worst Moments in US History.
65 John
November 25th, 2009 at 4:52 am
@rocknopera (64):
Like nobody else has done those things, I mean, really.
And yes, the last racial barrier was overcome not because he was black but because he wasn’t white. Seriously, what’s the percentage of white presidents in this country before obama? 100% homogenization is bad. At least things were mixed up a bit.
66 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 4:53 am
@Pyderz (65):
Prediction: George Bush will be somewhere on the list. How short memory can be, no?
It’s funny that the party that preaches tolerance and political correctness can’t even tolerate those that politically disagree – as most of the comments on this list seem to illustrate.
Tolerance…as long as they’re not -too- different. Great slogan.
67 Lizzie
November 25th, 2009 at 4:55 am
@Geronimo1618 (59):
Why exactly would all Americans be bored by this list? I quite enjoyed it actually.
68 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:55 am
@Sandy (67): Man,I bet you are a hypocrite in real life,stop advising others..haven’t you heard about’ the freedom of expression’?
69 rocknopera
November 25th, 2009 at 4:55 am
John.
You forgot to mention a single thing Obama has done… That was kinda the point. And no, the racial barrier is more dividing today than it was 5 years ago.
70 rushfan
November 25th, 2009 at 4:56 am
#6 reminded me of this video
71 Rufus
November 25th, 2009 at 4:57 am
just makes me jealous that i’m a chinese, not an american…
72 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 4:59 am
@Lizzie (68): Oh..yeah,it’s your country..anyways I was just venting out some heat because I perceived this list as average stuff..no great shakes
73 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:00 am
@Geronimo1618 (69):
Why yes, yes I have. I just don’t like the fact that I can’t even read intersting-looking things about my own damn country because it has to be slathered in political BS.
As someone pointed out a few dozen comments ago, most of hte list are accomplsihments by Democratic politicians.
Now this can mean one of two things:
- Republicans are absolutely worthless in every regard
- The list is biased.
Now, if you believe the former, then you’re exactly the hypocritical garbage I stay online to avoid in real life. If you don’t, then maybe you should acknowledge the very human error of not being able to easily spot bias on your own side – it’s called confirmation bias, and it’s a very, very well documented weakness of the human mind. We all do it, but very few admit something’s biased when it agrees with them.
74 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:01 am
@rocknopera (70):
I think you’re pretty short-sighted, to be honest. The fact that there’s any health care discussion at all in the media is pretty big by itself. And really that’s the only thing I really pay attention to at the moment.
I mean, I could go on about vague things like reinvigorating American pride as a world leader and not a world police state, or that younger persons such as myself feel like they can actually affect the outcome of our nation. Or maybe that, yes, people of color and races other than white can actually have the potential to become the most powerful person in America instead of thinking they’ll be stuck at bs part-time jobs their whole life. But those aren’t important.
75 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:04 am
America will not be truly free of racial divide until any minority can be elected without it being a huge deal.
76 rushfan
November 25th, 2009 at 5:05 am
@corinthian0430 (36): Obviously you prefer a mindless lying admitted plagiarist as your VP? C’mon, people who live in glass whitehouses…
And history will show the significance of Obama’s election and subsequent reign will be that he ordered and oversaw the destruction of this once-great nation. The fact that he’s a black guy will be but a footnote in history.
77 DoctorAnoose!
November 25th, 2009 at 5:07 am
WORST moment: The illegal war the US made on Nicaragua.
78 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:07 am
@rushfan (77):
You know, I understand what you’re saying, and I know your fear. It’s totally legitimate. It’s the exact same thing I felt when Sarah Palin was selected as VP.
79 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:10 am
A lot of Obama’s appointees have been…well, to put it mildly, “controversial.”
Cast not the first stone, for you live in a glass house. Obama’s appointees are just as fair game as Bush’s – moreso, honestly, because Bush is history and Obama is current.
80 Mark
November 25th, 2009 at 5:15 am
@rushfan (77): You accuse someone else of “mindless lying” (quoting the party line?) and then turn around and do the exact same thing.
81 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 5:18 am
@Sandy (74): I don’t believe in either,but global opinion is anti-Bush..just because Obama has been elected Prez,one can’t forget the atrocities by the Bush administration too easily.. as you..simply because you are not in the least affected by his actions
82 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Do people really believe that there have been no truly great events in the 70s, 80s, 90s, or 2000s before Obama’s election?
Honestly?
83 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:20 am
@Sandy (80):
So I just have to say this because it’s something everyone does and to be honest, I don’t agree with your viewpoint.
But you say ‘controversial’ as if this is an Obama-exclusive phenomena. Not trying to start a fight, cause I really don’t want to fight with you, just promoting good conversation/debate/argument practices.
84 Not Known
November 25th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Instead of the emancipation proclamation, you should have just done when slavery was abolished. Lincoln used that as a tool against the south to better the north, not to free slaves.
85 Me
November 25th, 2009 at 5:25 am
hooray for americans who voted for obama and constantly congratulate themselves for voting for a black president, he even had his own catchphrase like a toy. Then again if you look at all the other shitty candidates you had no real choice.
86 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:25 am
@John (84):
I was actually replying to someone else using it against the opposing side anyway. I don’t think controversy is limited only to those I don’t support politically.
I do, however, think that controversy over history is ridiculous. Bush is already out of office – why continue to remind us if you (not you in particular, just people in general) don’t support him?
87 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:26 am
@Not Known (85):
Something I learned from another list here:
The Emancipation Proclamation didn’t actually really free many slaves.
88 mikerodz
November 25th, 2009 at 5:29 am
What make me a fan of this site are those interesting people giving their what we called “comments”.
89 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 5:29 am
@Sandy (87): OK,we will drop this Obama-Bush et al debate/discussion coz it’ll most probably spiral into worthless ranting..
90 oouchan
November 25th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Well….I can see this is going to be an interesting list.
I can see why the items chosen were put on this list above others that have already been mentioned in the comments but it just doesn’t sit right. Also, I don’t give thanks. I just can’t….not anymore.
For everyone, please enjoy the holiday.
91 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:34 am
@Sandy (87):
I think there’s a fine line between history/recent history/present day. I do my best trying to not Bring up Bush Jr. in an argument because I’m more than happy with moving on with my life and working with what’s going on today, but this isn’t really true of everyone. I think as long as there’s policies laid down by the Bush administration in effect, there will be people to complain about them.
On a semi related note, You could say the same for Reagan, Clinton, Eisenhower, and both Roosevelts, but people still bring them up on a fairly regular basis, in both positive and negative lights. So what I’m trying to say is that if you want people to never ever mention Bush again, you couldn’t say any good things about him either. That and history is fact, just because we’re in the present didn’t mean it didn’t happen.
92 rushfan
November 25th, 2009 at 5:36 am
@Mark (81): The truth about Biden is widely known and accepted. Shows your level of involvement in national affairs.
@John (79): Interesting. I see what you’re saying. We both fear extremism from either side, but Obama has surrounded himself with some seriously questionable people. Just look how many people have had to step down due to their extremist views! And there are more who will undoubtedly do so in the coming months. What was the most extreme thing about Palin? She’s pro-life? I’m not a huge fan of hers, she’s just a politician like any other, but if we’re going to scrutinize her, let’s be fair and scrutinize the most powerful man in the world.
93 Bilhamblin
November 25th, 2009 at 5:38 am
It was a great list. It amazes me that no matter what the subject the discussion always`resorts to name calling and tantrums.
94 rocknopera
November 25th, 2009 at 5:39 am
@ John
Write your own list. Then let’s talk.
95 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:41 am
@rushfan (93):
And I don’t discount scrutiny on either side.
Really, though, I’d like to say that the only real extremism between the two of us is the end-of-the-world think that really doesn’t get us anywhere. It’s the mad scientist paradox: How can you rule a world you destroy? No real point in it.
I’m all too well aware that both sides have their pros and cons, it just so happens that what I want to happen happens to coincide with the current democratic message, whereas the Republican message is something I really, really don’t agree with. Don’t get me wrong, I like aspects of the Republican Party, but what they chose to run their campaign on really, really scared me, not unlike Obama does you.
96 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:41 am
@John (92):
That was more directed towards the people that see fit to spam “george bush is evil!!!!!” in blog comment fields.
I, of course, have nothing against reasoned debate about history – I quite happily debate things from as far back as World War II with people over IM at times. It’s fascinating the relatively few mistakes Germany made that truly led to their defeat…
But, for instance, I’m just sick of seeing “Obama is much better than the evil and semi-illiterate Bush,much much better,much much better” spammed everywhere I go. I can’t watch youtube videos without “BUSH IS EVIL!” I can’t read listverse without “OBAMA MUCH BETTER!”. That’s not reasoned debate. That’s not even historical perspective. It’s BS and I wish the bush-bashing at least would die down.
I by no means think people shouldn’t be allowed to complain about policies that are in effect. I’m just sick of the spam.
97 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:41 am
@rocknopera (95):
Right back at ya, buddy.
98 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:45 am
@Sandy (97):
Hah! You and me both! It might be in a vice-versa sense, but hey, I’m willing to say we were both drawn here to vent our political frustrations. I know I was really bored beforehand, but this can be fun to.
See? We’re not all that different.
It’s not like I think the Obama-bots are all that much better, I did mys stint as one around election time, now I’m waiting to see what happens along with everyone else. But I do get tired of the general fear and terror(Granny killing, socialism, etc) that gets thrown around carelessly.
99 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Hey ho people. Lont time reader (nice site) first time poster.
An Englishman’s point of view on Obama -
A good orator… But so was Hitler. The same Hitler you could have voted in and still made an improvement on that last ape you had in office. I was over the moon for you when he came to power, being a non-racist non-gun crazy and non-oil loving kinda guy, you know? Now I’m not too sure. Give him time, though. Unless he’s the Anti-Christ. That’ll be a downer.
While the mix of blind patriotism and guilt shown by American’s makes the rest of the world chuckle I will gladly admit that England hands are just as bloody. We did not build the former Empire on rainbows and happy faces. Maybe it’s time both nations moved on a stopped dwelling on the past. Of course it’s good to know your history but then it is better to make your own. Peace, love, rainbows and happy faces to all.
PS – Ghost with his Paki comment. You must live in bliss. You sure are ignorant enough.
100 Spocker
November 25th, 2009 at 5:47 am
@calm_incense (20):
“Now, this is interesting:
10. Barack Obama elected president [Democrat]
9. Armstrong walks on the moon – JFK [Democrat]
8. The Civil Rights Act – JFK [Democrat]
7. The Marshall Plan – Harry Truman [Democrat]
6. Women’s suffrage – Woodrow Wilson [Democrat]
Looks like America’s finest moments since the 20th century have all involved…no, nah, shouldn’t draw any conclusions.”
No, you shouldn’t draw any conclusions. Neil Armstrong walked on the moon on July 20, 1969, some six years after JFK was assassinated. It was President Nixon, a Republican, who spoke to Armstrong and Aldrin during their walk.
To your credit, JFK gave the inspiration to walk on the moon by the end of the decade, though.
101 Andy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:49 am
The Marshall Plan noble?! Yeah right. Notice how how we were in debt to America, isn`t mentioned, and how we had to pay a 450, BILLION POUND refund which took over 60 years to pay back? That isn`t mentioned is it? And why is The Declaration of Independence a Major Event? It`s only because of the French (who fought with every country that we fought), that there is a Declaration of Independence! And why is Barack Obama becoming President a Major Event? It`ll be a Major Event, when a Native American becomes President!
102 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:52 am
@John (99):
There’s just as much socialism granny-killing gun-confiscating fear in radical Republicans as there is anarchism minority-killing rights-robbing fear in radical Democrats.
It’s the same thing. There’s just a different president in office, and the people who spam anti-bush stuff are the exact same people that get so offended at the anti-obama stuff.
@salfordio (100):
To be honest…you’re an Englishman. As in, you’re not in American. As in, I want a president that caters to what AMERICANS want to see in office, not to what foreigners want to see in office.
I think foreign relations is very important, I honestly do. But I’d also like to ask that you consider more carefully in the future the culture differences present. Just because something is good in Europe doesn’t mean it’s good in the US – and vice-versa. This has proven true throughout history for quite a long time.
103 John
November 25th, 2009 at 5:52 am
@salfordio (100):
Man, you had to go and break Godwin’s law!
But no, seriously, I like your point of view on things. I wish I could be a European watching American news for just an hour so I could get the perspective on the whole mess.
If you can comment in the middle of this mess it must not be all that bad though. Cheers!
104 Jordan
November 25th, 2009 at 5:56 am
It isnot that I am so much against #10 but I don’t think we can put it on there until the end of his term or terms when we know whether it was good for the country…a little premature I think.
105 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:58 am
@Jordan (105):
Premature praise seems to be the theme of the first term.
To be honest, there are good reasons for it. Correct or not, Bush was and is VERY unpopular – and a lot of Obama’s popularity stemmed from nothing more than being able to point at Bush and say “I’m not him.”
I’m not saying Obama has no qualities of his own. But a lot of his popularity are mostly circumstantial, rather than the man himself, and I do object to that.
106 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:00 am
At, or @ john thingy whatever… (I’ll suss this site out yet!).
Man, the level of xenophobia shown against American people by those who call you Rednecks can’t help but bring a smile to my face. Some people have no sense of the ironic, see?
It might seem a child-like view but there are good people and bad people. Simple as that.
PS – It’s aluminium
107 John
November 25th, 2009 at 6:01 am
@Sandy (103):
You know, I believe this exactly. And it’s very well put.
Reading the second half of your comment made me think. So, I’m just curious, but do you think there’s a good balance in this? I really think that if we do want to be rid of all wars, all strife, and, well, most of the problems we have today, then adequate focus is required on the global community.
This is where my patriotism starts kicking in. While we may continue to have our own problems at home, I believe America is in a unique position to setup the framework, hold the talks, and motivate countries so the whole world can take the next step forward and we can start thinking in terms of the planet, not creedos. Of course, if the environmental summit recently(can’t remember the name of it, I just know we told a bunch of countries we weren’t going to match them on pollution reduction policies) is any indication we could lose that position, to, say, China, which I’m not really groovy with.
Global warming is a whole other topic though, but I de believe America exercises an embarrassing amount of excess, and if we can give a little humility, we might just win the whole world over. Not saying the world will be America, but we might just go down in history as the country that managed to bring the world together, which is what I’d really like to see, and I do support Obama in whatever sincere efforts he may be doing in that regard.
108 Signe
November 25th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Sandy: Why don’t you want people to say that the USSR won the WWII when that is in fact the truth?? do you feel it takes away from your American pride that you helped out a lot but did not actually win? Just be proud that the US came to Europe and helped the Brits on the western front, and did a really good job. And the give credit where credit is deserved, to the USSR!!
109 John
November 25th, 2009 at 6:05 am
@salfordio (107):
Whoa buddy keep your extra i’s to yourself.
I imagine the world’s the same all over, but I’d love to see the colorful descriptions we get from, say, France. I’m sure it’s very creative. I’ll have to get fluent in other languages to pass as one of them though, and like a true American, I don’t feel like it ;D
110 alexman
November 25th, 2009 at 6:07 am
i’m not american but ppl who moan this list is about america are stupid.
if the list was on uk or russia or france ect there would be ppl saying why isnt the list about US or any of the other countries.
they can be done in later lists if someone wants to make them.
good list although all of it is common knowledge so nothing particuarly new or interesting was learned by me.
111 Chanchita
November 25th, 2009 at 6:09 am
@ Rodeny (11)… Piss off. I´m English, not American, but I don´t expect every bloody list to be related to my country.
I live in Chile, where kids are taught nothing but their own country´s history in schools. It breeds more patriotism than is necessary.
Oh, and bloody calm down, if I remember rightly, this list was not headed with “10 Great Moments in US History But Only The US Cos It´s The Only Country That Matters”.
Maybe they were going to do Lebanon tomorrow.
112 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:10 am
John – I don’t know if there is a Godwin’s Law for superheroes but with great power comes great responsibility. Humble politicians? An oxymoron bud.
PS – Can I ask our American members a question? I’ve read somewhere (this site?) that Palin does not believe global warming is man made… Is this a legit comment or slander? One of the biggest mistakes assumed by the US people is that the rest of the world knows all of it’s buisness
Just pulling your collective puddings, so to speak.
113 archangel
November 25th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Nice list!
As for the comments about Obama above me. Great points. We shouldn’t stop being critical of those in power after all.
Certainly, quite a lot of Obama’s popularity is substantially from circumstance (as in, I’m not Bush)…
Though there is something else about him that makes him popular. It takes more than ‘I’m not Bush’ to be elected, let alone gain substantial popularity. I’m sure the Americans are intelligent enough to vote not based on ‘I’m not Bush’ sentiments.
Well, at least, for me… Obama represented a break from the past institution. A change in America’s global stance. Past administrations were less accomodating of the world, and more about American might both in terms of virtue and power. At least Obama knows that isn’t the way to go – which is quite new for an American president. Perhaps in a long-term (still unknown) perspective, his accomodating stance has averted great power competition (i.e. against China or Russia). But who knows!? History can still change.
114 John
November 25th, 2009 at 6:15 am
@salfordio (113):
Granted, but a guy can wish, can’t he? Especially when he voted for the guy.
And yeah, every source on the subject said so. That’s one of the subjects that tends to be towed along party lines here so it’s to be expected and there isn’t anything exceptional about Palin saying it.
115 deepthinker
November 25th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Cool list!! Happy Thanksgiving!
116 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Archangel 114 –
Wanna know the best bit of advice I have ever been given?
“Never assume other people have common sense”.
Good post, mind.
117 deepthinker
November 25th, 2009 at 6:19 am
@ salfordio- you probably did read that somewhere. I’m not sure of it, but I do believe than many in politics may say this not because they believe it, but because they don’t want to admit that we are the reason the planet is dying. But I can’t really speak for anyone but myself.
118 archangel
November 25th, 2009 at 6:20 am
117 salfordio
I try to keep a positive view… one can hope can’t he? Or at least assume his hope corresponds to truth! If I’m gonna generalise, I should probably do them the honours of doing so positively. =P
119 John
November 25th, 2009 at 6:20 am
So I gotta point this out since I just figured it out today but…
If you click on the name of the person in any given post, that’s how you get the neat:
@salfordio (117):
bit. It automagically adds it to your comment box.
120 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:20 am
John – Seriously? Jesus. I thought we were beyond the stage of denial. Oh well, eh?
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything. Nietzsche said that.
To live in hope is to live. I said that.
121 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:22 am
@archangel (119):
Amen.
John, cheers for the tip
122 archangel
November 25th, 2009 at 6:37 am
@Sandy (76):
I absolutely agree. I personally think the US sometimes gets it wrong with regards to race-relations. Obama’s election is a step nonetheless. But it shouldn’t matter that he is ‘black’ (and mid-American-English). The fact that it does shows America is still in the works with its race-relations (as with many other parts of the world).
It truly will be a great day when it matters not what colour (or gender) the presidential nominees are!
@Sandy (103):
Understandable. But one should not underestimate US influence and power. America is a giant, and it makes other nations scared and lesser. The actions of the President and the US government, be it domestic or international, can influence the path of the entire world. That’s why the rest of the world cares who Americans vote as their president. We are influenced by American power, but have no say in it. We leave a chunk of our fate to American hands, trusting in their ‘common sense’ and judgement.
So your elections are a scary, anxious affair for us all! But in any case, it’s the same reason why the rest of the world all know about Thanksgiving. So Happy Thanksgiving!
123 Romanov
November 25th, 2009 at 6:43 am
If your a patriot and you think things like Thanksgiving are important then your an absolute imbecile. Kill yourself immediately so your offspring doesn’t cause my offspring any stress.
124 Atreyu3388
November 25th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Great list, however, I was wondering…did you specifically NOT include military events in this list? I think quite a few of our military conquests really outshine a lot of these events. (D-Day, Battle of the Bulge, etc.)
Otherwise, a pretty solid list.
125 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 6:59 am
@Romanov (124):
Where you from kiddo? Think you’re being a bit harsh to be honest. Though a patriot may turn his eyes, or have said eyes turned, from an atrocity they in themselves are not always the issue. There is nothing wrong per say with love for your country… It’s only when it blinds you to the truth that trouble may arise. What is worse then a Bible bashing (Thou shal not kill, anyone?), war happy fool starting an illegal war? Perhaps it is the leader of another country that goes along for the fireworks. Hence though I have a certain love for my country, England – or rather it’s leaders – on the world stage should hang its own head as low as America.
126 WolfeDrone
November 25th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Great list!
Reminding ourselves, and others, of how great a nation we truly are, is needed from time to time.
Pride without regret! We are the greatest to ever be.
127 Mary Jo
November 25th, 2009 at 7:00 am
@astraya (61): Thank you Astraya!!! Most people fail to realize that America is a whole continent not just “The United States of America”.
I’m all the way down in Chile and I’m also American. =)
128 Steph
November 25th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Great List!!! although you do have the civil rights act, I was hoping for the “I Have A Dream Speech” would be up there…. but all in all, great list!!!
129 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 7:04 am
@Atreyu3388 (125):
A mistake often made by American’s (While I hate to genralise I can only assume this happens through selective education – Any country that mades kids swear upon a flag in school is to be treated with caution) is that they alone ended the war, or rather they saved others asses. D-Day is a proud moment in others history too, so should not be included in this list for that reason.
130 NickMatrix
November 25th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Yay Thanksgiving. Lets celebrate how we enslaved and killed the people who sheltered and fed us!
Coming from a Native American, I cannot endure how this “holiday” is still celebrated.
131 L
November 25th, 2009 at 7:07 am
(Small step for man, giant leap for mankind, small step for man, giant leap for mankind, don’t get it wrong, Neil, don’t fark it up) I am small man with a giant.. damn!
watch?v=vITJdaJ4xxM
132 Petie
November 25th, 2009 at 7:14 am
@El the erf (8): Can you roll your Rrrrrrrr’s like Till? Dang it! Now I got Rammstein going through my noggin! Thanks a lot, man.
133 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 7:21 am
really? barack obama is on the greatest moments in US History that seems a little naive considering we haven’t given ample time to make his intentions clear so far everything he’s done is try to make America worse lets recap what he has done so far “credit card bill of rights” which raises the payments of people with good credit and lowers those with bad credit and “the second stimulus package” which he highly opposed the first one the bush did but then only a few months later he proposes his own i guess when he opposed bush’s stimulus it was because it wasn’t enough money I do truly feel that as time plays out obama’s election will belong on the top 10 worst moments in us history and what did he do to win the Nobel Peace prize again?
134 Butskie
November 25th, 2009 at 7:21 am
What about WWII, what about the industrial revolution? What about the assistance that we offer to people who suffer natural disasters? This list seems to be dedicated only to things that people point to as negative about the US. The US has numerous accomplishments that are what made it a great country not just events that corrected injustice.
135 Davy
November 25th, 2009 at 7:23 am
Nice list, SharonE. I expected the arguments about obama.
136 Chanchita
November 25th, 2009 at 7:26 am
@ Mary Jo (127): Hey! Whereabouts in Chile are you?…You could be my next door neighbour! If you are I´ll come out and say hi
137 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 7:27 am
@Butskie (134):
The assistance offered to those who suffer natural disasters? Sure, unless they are American. And Black. And live in New Orleans. Now I am in no means anti-American but I just could not say nothing to that comment.
138 Moonbeam
November 25th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Hey @Arsnl (37): I have a great idea, why don’t you post the same comment every day? That would be great.
139 mom424
November 25th, 2009 at 7:33 am
You guys should all move to Canada; if this is the yard-stick by which you measure accomplishments we’ve got you beat. We abolished slavery first, we allowed women the right to vote first, and don’t forget healthcare. We looked after that almost 50 years ago. You guys are copy-cats.
@rushfan (76): Sorry, but Bush beat him to it.
140 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Now this whole healthcare thing… Should be free. Simple really, esp as you are a Christian nation (not that it should matter). You are one of the most developed lands on the planet and hold sway over most of the Western world and yet in this regard you are rather backwards. If taxes must be raised so people do not die in the street then it seems fair enough, really.
141 Adam
November 25th, 2009 at 7:44 am
okay mark this down as “just sayin…” but, this list has nothing to do with Obama’s policy, its simply marking the moment a black man became president.
Any Anti-Obama comments are not applicable to the list at hand, because it truly IS one of the 10 greatest moments in US history, that we, in an alarmingly racist nation, actually voted a black man into office.
Now, if someone wants to make a list called “The 10 Campaign Promises Obama Broke Most Audaciously” your comments would surely fit in there! : )
142 Moonbeam
November 25th, 2009 at 7:45 am
One of the issues I have with conservatives is that they always seem to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to things like civil rights. Just look back at issues like segregation, minority rights, woman’s right to vote, equal pay for equal work, sex education, evolution vs creationism, birth control, environmental protections,….
Even now they are against the right for same sex couples to marry. Their argument being it will undermine “the sanctity of marriage.” As though all those politicians – of both parties – who every so often have to stand up and apologize for their infidelity (while their poor spouse stands off to the side heartbroken) are good examples of “the sanctity of marriage”.
143 Mary Jo
November 25th, 2009 at 7:51 am
@Chanchita (136):
Heey!!!! I’m from Viña, but I had to move to Santiago because of work.. this is so nice!!! Where are you?
144 damien_karras
November 25th, 2009 at 7:54 am
@Mary Jo (127): Wait a sec, I live in the United States, does that mean I’m Canadian?
145 665605
November 25th, 2009 at 7:59 am
To be quite honest, I believe that presidents get too much credit and too much blame for things that happen while in office.
146 damien_karras
November 25th, 2009 at 8:00 am
So if the new health care bill does pass, and it is MANDATORY for every US citizen to carry health insurance, what happens to the ones who refuse to carry it? Are they fined? Possible jail time?
147 Adam
November 25th, 2009 at 8:01 am
@665605 (145): im behind you 100%
148 Mary Jo
November 25th, 2009 at 8:02 am
@damien_karras (146):
Sure! That is if in your map The United States appear to be IN Canada… In my map Chile happens to be IN America, you know as in the CONTINENT…
149 Romanov
November 25th, 2009 at 8:03 am
@salfordio (125):
Where am I from, ‘kiddo’? How condescending. You make an interesting point but unfortunately it is ruined by your immediate assumption. And no I am not being a bit to harsh to be honest. People who carve up turkeys around a dinner table on thanksgiving are essentially celebrating the slaughter of other humans. I’m not telling people not to celebrate. I’m just calling them idiots because I’m entitled to and thats what I think they are.
150 CARD
November 25th, 2009 at 8:03 am
archangel (123)I totally agree with you, you couldn’t have put it better…
151 Galactus
November 25th, 2009 at 8:06 am
We want the 10 worse moments in US History.
We want the debate and comments the comes along such a list, be they made by wise persons or evil trolls.
Who will be brave enough to make such a list?
152 damien_karras
November 25th, 2009 at 8:08 am
@Mary Jo (148): Well, then I’m happy to call myself an American whether I’m in Canada or Chile! I’ve been to Canada, I hope to visit Chile one day.
153 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 8:09 am
@Romanov (149):
Kiddo is a term of endearment. I;m certainly not trying to undermine or condensend anyone.
154 salfordio
November 25th, 2009 at 8:11 am
@salfordio (153):
… Or at least it is where I am from, I shpuld point out.
155 undaunted warrior
November 25th, 2009 at 8:12 am
@mom424 I agree with you 100%, but it is just to darn cold their, Min 14 deg. in winter and max. of 38 deg. in summer here if we could do a climate change between our 2 countries I would move next week.
156 wondersquid
November 25th, 2009 at 8:13 am
OH! OH! How about: “MR. GORBACHOV, TEAR DOWN THIS WALL!” It was AWESOME!
157 Cindy
November 25th, 2009 at 8:29 am
@mom424 (139): Canada is too cold.
158 Randall
November 25th, 2009 at 8:30 am
@Andy (101):
Sorry Andy—the Declaration was adopted BEFORE any French offers, let alone guaratees, of assistance to the fledgling United States.
It was, in fact, a supreme example of courage and the human spirit operating to state what is right, good, and proper for individuals and governments.
I take it you are English. You should, in fact, be indirectly proud of the Declaration of Independence–not dismissive of it—as it was in part a product of English traditions of liberty. It was a direct product of the American mind–but that mind was informed by English tradition.
As for the debts owed by Britain and other European nations following WWII… are you saying if you foot a bill for a massive undertaking on the behalf of not only yourself but others, that some shouldn’t have to pay it back?
Can I borrow a thousand bucks?
159 Mary Jo
November 25th, 2009 at 8:30 am
@damien_karras (152):
And you should be!! No matter where I am, I’m proud to be an American too =)
By the way, you really should come visit, it’s beauitiful, fun and we’re very nice people…
160 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 8:31 am
@damien_karras (146): yes it will be mandatory if you dont get insurance then you will be fined up to three times then jailed after that and the federal government will have a new health insurance that they offer that will be cheaper than other health insurances the problem with that is it will put all the other insurances out of business then we willbe stuck in a situation where the fed gov requires health insurance and is setting the price of the required health insurance and they will enact a new tax to pay for the insurance then charge you for it also
161 Mike B
November 25th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Ya know, way back in Comment #39, before I successfully derailed the conversation into a pitiful partisan whine-fest, I was in fact trying to make a point about lists, not about Presidents of questionable historical merit.
Let’s say I were a fan of the Green Lantern, to the point that I associate with him all things good and interesting. I imagine I could sit around every day and come up with a list that would include the Green Lantern. “10 Famous Test Pilots” (as Hal Jordan, his alter-ego). “10 Powerful Rings in History” (I guess there might be 9 other royal rings or something).
I’m not anti-Obama at all, but I meet people every day who have to find ways to bring up how happy and proud they are that he was elected President. I found this list to be another example. The other 9 “moments in history” were otherwise fairly random and obvious afterthoughts, filler for a list that quite plainly begins with the list-writer’s ‘thesis statement’, that Mr. Obama’s presidency is and will be a defining moment in American history.
As was stated previously, would the first female or Hispanic to become President then be relegated to the 11th spot or below? Can we take a vote on Watson and Crick laying the foundations for the future of genetic science as maybe being a little more significant than 2 guys finding a well-known Ocean, collecting plants and spreading smallpox and chlamydia across the US?
The first gay President will be “someone who just decades earlier could have been lynched, chemically castrated or imprisoned just for being homosexual”. The first female: “could have once been locked up just for trying to vote in the election she has now won”. Equally as dramatic, but still not more important than when we left the Gold Standard and switched to fiat currency. That was far more historically significant, but not nearly as emotionally satisfying (or easy to explain).
All I’m saying is that, if you have an agenda when writing your list, just put a little paragraph at the front that says “OMG! OMG! Green Lantern does not get enough LOVE on the Listverse, so I put him at the top of my first list! Enjoy! KISSES!”
Whether Mr. Obama is getting too much or too little love on the ‘verse is, admittedly, still open for debate.
162 Yo Yo
November 25th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Wazzzaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaapppppp Obammmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
163 psychosurfer
November 25th, 2009 at 8:43 am
How about the “trade” for Texas, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Washington, and Oregon, as portions of what would later become Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Wyoming, and Montana.
500,000 square miles flooded with oil: 500 million USD
Defeating a close-to-nothing army force: 2 years
Stealing half of a country: Priceless!
164 Cubone
November 25th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Nice list! Happy Thanksgiving, Americans!
165 Italo Canadese
November 25th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Isn’t there room for a great American sports moment on this list? You guys are pretty good at sports! Oh wait, that’s only sports you create… haha JK
166 Mathilda
November 25th, 2009 at 8:54 am
[b]SharonE[/b], I like your list.
When Obama was campaigning, we took our then six year old son to see him. We were thinking about how just before we were born, segregation and discrimination were still legal, but how our son would not remember a time when an African-American man could not be President.
And we shall celebrate Thanksgiving; my husband and son are both tri-racial as they have African-American and Native American ancestry as well. Unless someone feels that they should sit at the table and beat upon the European side with the non-European side? As for myself, none of my relatives were even here until fairly recently; they were still over in Europe.
So we will all sit at table together tomorrow, celebrating the fact that, while some of our ancestors were here for quite some time, some came unwillingly and in chains, some chose to come for a better life for themselves and their children, and some were fleeing political/economic conditions in their original countries, they all made it here, made it through the ups and downs of their own lives, and at least tried to leave things a bit better for their own children. This part of their combined efforts is extremely grateful and appreciative of their sacrifices and hard work; we have a better life than many of them could even have dreamt of. And that is what we will celebrate tomorrow; the many people and things that we have to be thankful for.
167 brasicana
November 25th, 2009 at 8:56 am
About the only thing to be thankful for with Obama is his color. I would have voted for Condoleeza Rice in a heartbeat, thus giving us an African-American woman. I did not vote for him, but it had NOTHING to do with his color!!
168 El the erf
November 25th, 2009 at 8:57 am
@Petie (132):
mention not dearie-o, mention not
just enjoy the great song
and don’t forget the motto of the song!
..when you can’t lick ‘em … JOIN ‘EM !!
169 crispin
November 25th, 2009 at 9:03 am
@mom424 (139): Yikes, no thanks, I would have to agree with the others: it’s too damn cold up there!
Also while you guys may have accomplished many things before the USA did, you gusy waited until 1982 to declare independence from Britain. And you still have the damn queen on your currency!
I have enjoyed my visits to Sasketchewan, however, as I have a dear friend who resides there. It really is beautiful country.
170 psychosurfer
November 25th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Comments like 167 make me wish we had an imbecile-proof filter.
171 oouchan
November 25th, 2009 at 9:13 am
@mom424 (139): I would like to but I live in Arizona. I would freeze before I got within a 100 miles. I can wave to you though.
@NickMatrix (130): That is why I don’t celebrate or give thanks. I just can’t anymore. I do give thanks other times of the year, but not on this day.
172 General-Jake
November 25th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Oh i love it when Eurotrash and others get all pissy about American stuff. Jealous much? However im a dam proud american but number 10 is totaly bogus. Obama spinlessness is not Americas speed.. He should be like Britains PM or somthin that would fit better.
173 Randall
November 25th, 2009 at 9:18 am
@Mike B (161):
I have to kind of defend what Mike B has said here. And really, to be honest, it was well-said.
Now, god knows I voted for Obama, and god knows I detested George Bush and I feel the Republican party has gone way off the deep end and is no longer functioning to represent anything but a very slim minority in this country. And god knows I think Obama’s election WAS an important step in American history. I mean, I’m in my mid-40s. I’m old enough to know how utterly unthinkable it was for a black man to be elected president in my lifetime. All of these are true. And we should recognize that Obama’s election IS important.
But we do seem to have a hard time distancing the vital nature of the EVENT from the actual MAN himself. Now, I like Obama… at least his public face. I don’t know the man personally. He’s clearly highly intelligent, thoughtful, and capable of making good decisions. This is in huge contrast to his predecessor, who was none of these things. And certainly I feel some affinity for Obama because he is the first president from MY generation—and I had and have hopes that my generation might be able to make some changes that are long needed, and take us on a better course. Furthermore, I’ve agreed with Obama’s policy making and policy stances.
But he’s not Mr. Panacea. Contrary to what a lot of right wing goofballs said, there has been no “Koolaid drinking” with me or amongst any of the people I know. I’m actually not wholly pleased with Obama’s performance up to now, though I feel it’s still early and I’m continuing to give him the benefit of the doubt. However, I detect in his style a certain reticence for taking action that might make sense on a level or two, but might not really be what is needed from a president. We’ll see.
At any rate, while I don’t totally agree with Mike B that Obama’s place at the #10 spot casts a shadow of bias over the whole list, I do feel that he’s right about this tendency we have to just slobber all over Obama himself. I imagine it’s rather akin to what happened with John Kennedy–at least, I recall my mother’s feelings about the man (JFK). But that was her generation. I suppose we need national heroes. A little hero worship is okay–but historically, presidents are men who have flaws as leaders as well as good points. Never mind their personal flaws.
So… I’m not saying the list is really negated or harmed by Obama’s inclusion—I in fact think it made sense. But Mike B. also has a good point. Questions like this are sometimes difficult to find a compass for.
174 Phil
November 25th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Fuck the dead, they needed to be cleared out to make way for the living.
175 Sammy
November 25th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Now, this is interesting:
10. Barack Obama elected president [Democrat]
9. Armstrong walks on the moon – JFK [Democrat]
8. The Civil Rights Act – JFK [Democrat]
7. The Marshall Plan – Harry Truman [Democrat]
6. Women’s suffrage – Woodrow Wilson [Democrat]
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10. World War I – Woodrow Wilson (Democrat)
9) World War II- Franklin Roosevelt (Democrat)
7) Bay of pigs disaster – John Kennedy (Democrat)
6) Escalating Vietnam War – L. Johnson (Democrat)
5) Iranian Hostage takeover – Jimmy Carter (Democrat)
4) World’s Boot licker – Obama (Socialist)
3) Major contribuor in ending Cold War – Ronald Reagan (Republican)
2) The most bad ass U.S President – Teddy Roosevelt (Republican)
1) Freed the slaves. Abe Lincoln (Republican)
176 blacksunshine
November 25th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Reading these comments I wanted to start shouting “FIGHT, FIGHT, FIGHT!” but then my husband would have looked at me funny, so I didn’t.
177 lrigD
November 25th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Great list!
I’m not American but what I’ve seen of it (I visited it once) I loved. The USA is such a controversial country, which is no doubt the reason this list already has so many comments.
I kind of get tired of the anti-USA comments here though. Whether you like it or not, the USA HAS been important in the course of history, especially recent history (though past decisions still affect us nowadays). To not take those important steps into account is to ignore a part of human history. What would Europe (and yes, I live in Europe) be without the Marshall plan? Sure, the USA has bad sides. Every country does. But the USA has good sides, too, like every country. We just hear/talk a lot more about it because the USA is so omnipresent in our day-to-day lives.
Anyway, like I was saying, great list. I really enjoyed it. I’ve never had much US history at school so I’m really learning new things here.
178 not that JB
November 25th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Thank you Sammy @ 176.. I was just about to post the same.. Some people are really stupid..
Teddy Roosevelt is no Joke!
Abe also kept the US together.
179 not that JB
November 25th, 2009 at 9:38 am
oops meant Sammy @ 175
180 alpenstocks
November 25th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Butskie: (134) WWII and the industrial revolution were not American accomplishments…they were worldwide. America was only a participent in those big events. Ever wonder why its called WORLD War II? Thats what the first “W” is for.
181 LoveLife57
November 25th, 2009 at 9:38 am
abe freed the slaves to save the union, he had no care at all for blacks
182 GTT
November 25th, 2009 at 9:46 am
@Mike B (39): I, for one, would be happy to read any of those lists.
@Mike B (161): I guess the reason would be that this is the first time a non white male was elected as president. This was the first variation in race. Though I have to say I am hoping for the day we see a female US president.
Oh, and PS to @oouchan (90): That´s so sad… I´m not American so I dont celebrate Thanksgiving as a holiday but I do give thanks in other ways… Why so sad?
183 Scratch
November 25th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Ronald Reagan did not have a major role in ending the Cold War.
184 alpenstocks
November 25th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Sammy (175) The Bay of Pigs was Eisenhower’s plan. It was presented to Kennedy shortly after he took office. Other great Republican moments:
Watergate
Iran-Contra
Stock market crash 1929
Hoovervilles in depression
Federal troops assualt on Bonus Marchers, depression
Teapot Dome Scandal
Invasion of Cambodia
Highest budget surplus since WWII turns into largest budget deficit ever under “conservative” president.
Im too tired to go on
185 lyckligmig
November 25th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Well, honestly…. Barack Obama is also HALF white… so I’m not entirely sure why we’ve overcome a racial barrier. He’s “black” because it was good for his campaign and our newly discovered overly liberal mentality.
186 oouchan
November 25th, 2009 at 10:03 am
@GTT (182): Mostly because of what it has come to stand for. Other reasons are too numerous to post.
187 jim
November 25th, 2009 at 10:06 am
when we elect the first “Native American” as President will that knock Obama off the list?
Just asking because that would really be a great American achevement
188 Matt
November 25th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Oh, hilarious comments.
First of all, if you generalize all members of a political party into one stereotype, then you’re being very ignorant. All Republicans are not tax-fearing, racist, gay-hating, Bible-thumping warmongers, and not all Democrats are peace-loving, tree-hugging, pot-smoking, gun-stealing, tax-hiking socialists. Are there Republicans and Democrats that fit those descriptions respectively? There’s no doubt, but I, being a Democrat, do respect the right to bear arms. Tree hugging? I’m still not convinced that climate change is entirely the fault of man. Socialist? I agree in free enterprise and capitalism, as long as it is regulated so that crises like these never happen again. People have called me a Republican just for those first two things, and even a Communist for the third, but I vote Democrat. I agree with them on more social and economic issues. I’d rather not be generalized into a black-and-white(not the races) group. And by the way, Ann Coulter fans, we liberals don’t hate America. Liberals and Conservatives love their country (save for maybe a few), just disagree on how to run it.
Now for the issue of Bush and Obama. Bush was not evil. Was he a good president? Absolutely not. The worst? I doubt it. Obama’s term is still premature, so anyone trying to make the call whether or not he’s the best or worst president is a walking ball of bias. Obama did not steal the election, only a couple guys from ACORN registered a few thousand votes, and they were busted. (I’ll avoid the topic of Bush v. Gore and how Gore cost himself the election by recounting the wrong districts, since it wasn’t as much Bush stealing the election as it was Gore being an idiot) He was born here, search for his birth certificate on Google. He’s just as American as you or me. Has he acted completely in my favor as a voter? Hell no. Has he acted totally against me as a voter? Hell no! First of all, this list isn’t about what he did as President, but what he did as a Presidential Candidate, so stop acting like he doesn’t belong there. Did people vote for him just because he’s black? Most likely. Did that win him the election? Who knows, but he won.
I live in the States, and I thought this list was a bit predictable. It had everything I was taught in school to be the greatest achievements in American history, but still, I enjoyed it.
189 alpenstocks
November 25th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Did my entire comment get lost? I posted one that never appeared.
190 John
November 25th, 2009 at 10:14 am
@Sammy (175):
“4) World’s Boot licker – Obama (Socialist)”
You know, by spreading crap like this you make republicans look bad?
@HAHAHAHA (160):
Where in the hell do you get your information? Or you be trollin’
191 That Guy From Pennsylvania
November 25th, 2009 at 10:22 am
it’s an unwritten Republican rule – VP candidates should almost always be dumbasses
case in point:
Lyndon Johnson, Walter Mondale, Joe Biden
Oh, wait….nevermind.
192 grandmasterflash
November 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Emancipation Proclamation main purpose was not to free slaves but to keep England and France from backing the South during the civil war. Simple war strategy by Lincoln…After this, the South was isolated because others would feel morally obligated not to interfere cause now “slaves would be freed”. This was it’s main purpose.
193 damien_karras
November 25th, 2009 at 10:36 am
@John (190): I hear you about comment #160. The dearth of punctuation made my eyes bleed. But HAHAHAHA didn’t answer my question: if a new health reform bill passes and one of its stipulations is mandatory coverage for all, what happens if I do not want health insurance? Will I be fined, incarcerated? I’m having a bit of trouble finding any information on this.
194 plasmatwa2
November 25th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Good list, but I wish there were some entries that were a surprise. I like the inclusion of The Marshall Plan, instead of one of those generic and incorrect “America entered WWII and almost single-handidly won the war” entries, which is what I expected.
195 Mad Jayhawk
November 25th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Obama’s election made the list and 9-11 didn’t? It is like giving him the Peace Prize. He ain’t done nothing yet folks except move us down the road to socialism. Get over it. He is not even a natural born citizen. There were a lot more important things in the history of race relations other than Obama’s election: MLK assassination, the Brown decision, Rosa Parks, the Civil War, and even the OJ trial.
I would most definitely add The Kansas Jayhawks winning the NCAA basketball tournament in 1988 or The Kansas Jayhawks winning it again in 2008 or The Kansas Jayhawks winning one more time in 2010 to the list. Any one of those would be fine.
Seriously:
All the following were big time transformational events in US history.
The 1929 crash of the stock market. The end of the Civil War. The bombing of Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Pearl Harbor. D-Day. The assassination of MLK. Linbergh’s flight. Any one of Edison’s inventions. Completion of the transcontinental railroad. Gold found in California. Start of the Interstate Highway System. The Lewis and Clark expedition. 9-11. All these caused a tremendous impact on the country’s history.
I would delete just about everything on the list except the constitution, declaration of independence, and the Louisiana Purchase (the purchase of the Louisiana territory and not the bribe paid to Senator Landrieu.) Most of the events on the list are interesting but not really that transformational.
196 Marv in DC
November 25th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@HAHAHAHA
health insurance that they offer that will be cheaper than other health insurances the problem with that is it will put all the other insurances out of business then we willbe stuck in a situation where the fed gov requires health insurance and is setting the price of the required health insurance and they will enact a new tax to pay for the insurance then charge you for it also
What, if any, evidence do you have that can justify this opinion?
@Sammy (175):
If you honestly think that Lincoln and Roosevelt would be welcomed in today’s republican party you are sadly deluded. Oh and I forgot about the part in history where Wilson started WWI and FDR invaded Poland in order to start WWII, not to mention Truman ordering North Korea to attack South Korea. Guess all my history books are wrong.
197 Mad Jayhawk
November 25th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Re #193. We ought to put up a statue memorializing the first person who gets arrested and jailed because they didn’t buy health care insurance under Obamacare. Why heck his arrest might even make a list like this in the future.
The dirty criminal should also win some sort of Nobel Socialism is Good For You Whether You Want It Or Not Award.
I hope Obama has a nice prime time Rose Garden ceremony for the guy with all the Democrats who vote for this monstrosity of a bill standing behind him, grinning like fools. They can probably find Bush’s Mission Accomplished sign and hang it in the background.
Obama can cuff the poor guy and the senators can throw him into the back of a paddy wagon backed up to the garden. Harry Reid, who might be an ex-Senator along with half the people in the crowd by then, can ceremoniously lock the doors on the back of the paddy wagon and pat the door then yell to the driver to haul the dirty SOB off to Marion.
It will be a good day for all Americans.
198 Trent B
November 25th, 2009 at 11:01 am
@20
Harry Truman also dropped two nukes on Japan sooo…..
199 necro_penguin
November 25th, 2009 at 11:06 am
@Mike B (39): i would love to see those lists.
200 WiseMenSay
November 25th, 2009 at 11:08 am
i just don’t get all of the Obama hate. over here we have a hugely unpopular, (technically) unelected PM in Gordon Brown and he doesn’t get anywhere near this kind of flak. in fact when The Sun tried to do something like this about a misspelled letter of condolence (Brown is half blind and has notoriously bas handwriting) it got ripped to shreds by the rest of the media. why does Obama get so little respect? he is the President after all, i don’t think even Bush had it quite this bad.
201 ben
November 25th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I am disgusted by two idiotic parties conservative and liberal ruining our great moments by arguing over shit why don’t you both shut up and agree on our achievements also number 1 might be more memorable if you wrote the words of the declaration
202 ben
November 25th, 2009 at 11:16 am
The Declaration of Indpendence
‘When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separationWe hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.
He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
He has refused for a long time, after such disolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.
In every stage of these Oppressions We have Petitioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our British brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the circumstances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.’
203 Newdall
November 25th, 2009 at 11:17 am
I hardly think the election of ANY president in particular belongs on the list, especially one who hasn’t even done anything significant yet.
204 ben
November 25th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Maybe people who aren’t american aren’t aware of this document but it is in my opinion one of the greatest ever written and it has been ruined by politics and anti americans alike. The reason most europeans have never read this document is because after the war your leaders were ashamed so they didn’t teach you anything that might make the U.S look too good because they wanted to make the public feel like they were better than us. It is sad that such a document has gone to waste all of mankind should forever remember these principles liberty, peace happiness natural rights bestowed upon man. But as Roussue said everywhere man is born free everywhere he is enslaved. This is the cause of all american nationalism and this is why we don’t understand why the rest of the hates us. We only want every nation to enjoy these rights.
205 WolfeDrone
November 25th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Although the Declaration of Independence is significant, the Constitution is what separates us from the rest of the world. We rule the Government, rather than the Government ruling us.
206 Scratch
November 25th, 2009 at 11:39 am
@ben (204):
You’re right. My parents were forbidden from reading the Declaration of Independence as it was censored by the Dutch government. They were worried that it might make the U.S. look too good.
We are also not allowed to read it in Canada. It’s too much freedom for us to handle.
207 WiseMenSay
November 25th, 2009 at 11:40 am
@ben (204): we studied the declaration of independence and the constitution in a-level politics. we even had a school trip to washington dc and saw the originals. i’m british, so you’re wrong on that account.
208 Drew
November 25th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Everyone should be illegal.
209 bassbait
November 25th, 2009 at 11:48 am
@Calm_incense (#20)
“Now, this is interesting:
10. Barack Obama elected president [Democrat] (But did democrats cause him to win?)
9. Armstrong walks on the moon – JFK [Democrat] (Did JFK walk on the moon?)
8. The Civil Rights Act – JFK [Democrat] (Martin Luther King was the one who did the work)
7. The Marshall Plan – Harry Truman [Democrat] (ya, you got me there)
6. Women’s suffrage – Woodrow Wilson [Democrat] (Woodrow Wilson wasn’t the one who FOUGHT for it)”
“Looks like America’s finest moments since the 20th century have all involved…no, nah, shouldn’t draw any conclusions.
”
Ya, you shouldn’t. There is no correlation between political party and achievement. Guess who freed the slaves? Abe Lincoln was our 2nd greatest president, and he was republican. Washington was our greatest and he opposed political parties. Any correlation? No. The significance of all those presidents have little to do with the significance of the actual moment.
210 ben
November 25th, 2009 at 11:50 am
@WiseMenSay (207): Right sorry
211 ben
November 25th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Good i seem to have brought the conversation away from party politics and back to a good old your american your an idiot debate thats what i intended to do
212 Chipmunk
November 25th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Good list, SharonE! Keep ‘em coming!
Also… really, do you people have NOTHING better to do than to sit here and just explode over one little thing on a list on the internet? REALLY? I mean… for you Americans, Thanksgiving is tomorrow. Shouldn’t you be… I don’t know, out buying food? Getting the house all spruced up for the family? NOT playing Internet Tough Guy?
I mean, I love ya J-man, your site is amazing… but sometimes snarking the commenters is like shooting fish in a barrel. I haven’t seen a group of people so inflammatory since ONTD on LiveJournal.
Except, y’know, instead of people arguing over whether or not Lady Gaga has a penis, it’s people frothing at the mouth any time President Obama is mentioned.
213 Chipmunk
November 25th, 2009 at 11:58 am
@Bassbait 209
ACTUALLY…
The idea of what a “Republican” and a “Democrat” is changed during the Civil War. Current Democratic ideals were held by pre-1860′s Republicans, and vice-versa. So, what you’re saying isn’t exactly correct. Pretty much, the name flip-flopped, as the Southern Democrats obviously supported slavery, because otherwise their slave-driven economy would collapse.
214 Scratch
November 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@ben (211):
Wait, how did you do that?
215 Yawyack
November 25th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@Butskie (134):
Erm, I think you’ll find that the Industrial Revolution was ignited in Britain not the US. Check out the wikipedia page and see how much of the page is dedicated to Britain: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution
216 Yawyack
November 25th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
@ben (204):
Pfft. The Magna Carta has a cooler sounding name…
@Scratch (206):
Indeed. And there was me just thinking it was part of a Natasha Bedingfield song.
217 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
@Marv in DC (196): You’re right i have no evidence that states that will be exactly what happens just ‘common sense’ not to be confused with ‘liberal sense’ aka ‘nonsense’ but what evidence can you provide that it is constitutional for the federal government to require citizens of the united states to purchase any certian product (health insurance)and before you try note its not the same as requiring auto insurance because the auto insurnace is required by the state not the federal government and it is only required if you are driving and driving is a privilage not a right so you can be a citizen and not have auto insurance but under the HR3200 you would be required by law to have insurance if you are a us citizen and that is unconstitutional here is the address to the bill you can look at it for yourself and pay special attention to page 425 the sucidial counselling is hilarious http://crapo.senate.gov/issues/healthcare/documents/HR3200.pdf
“HR 3200 kills the private insurance industry. … How do the private insurance companies compete with the government run health care plan? They don’t. This bill is designed to kill the private insurance industry and force people onto the government plan. …
Senator Jim DeMint remarked that Obama’s health care reform plan will be his Waterloo if the GOP can successfully stop it, and based upon what’s in HR 3200, you better hope the GOP and Blue Dogs are successful.”
Kim Priestap
218 kking
November 25th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I think Barack Obama’s election, while considered history in very superficial terms now, will come to symbolize how most of a nation was manipulated into voting for someone who hadn’t achieved anything, hadn’t governed anything, and hadn’t a single position on any issue. It will go into textbooks as a brilliant campaign rather than a brilliant administration or brilliant candidate.
219 Marv in DC
November 25th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
@HAHAHAHA (217): Actually I am hoping like hell that it gets passed. I grew up in Germany where they have both Private and Public health insurance. Everyone was covered but if you wanted you could opt for Private insurance that got you extra benefits. My point is that most people (my parents included) chose to get the private insurance because they could tailor it to the needs that they had. If the insurance industry can’t give US Citizens adequate affordable insurance then they should go out of business. Oh and don’t forget Medicare, that’s public insurance but I don’t hear anyone saying we should get rid of that.
220 Whatever
November 25th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
I was kinda hoping for a bonus, for some reason.
221 Rainmaker
November 25th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
This is the supidest list I have ever seen any one who thinks that Obama going into office is good is retarted thanks for ruining this website for me . I mean it u really ruined this hole site for me . And hopefully u get ur head straight and see wat this dude is doing to are country .
222 Pablo
November 25th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
the list forgor to mention all the wars that the usa got involved in which they shouldnt ave been in!!! oh wait…
223 StephenR
November 25th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
@calm_incense (18): hey calm incense, it was the REPUBLICANS who voted in Civil Rights, the Democrats voted against it. The democrats like JFT and Wilson would not recognize the party now, in fact JFK ushered in immense TAX CUTS which, as always, stimulated the economy.
224 superbloop
November 25th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Predicitable. Obama winning was important, but there is definatly more important events US history.
225 Tom
November 25th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@20…Hey dumbass, even if JFK launched the initial challenge to do so, Nixon (Republican)was President when we first landed on the moon. The President of the Confederate States Jeff Davis was a former Democrat and Lincoln who emancipated the slaves in slave states and won the Civil War was a Republican. Although Truman was in office during the Marshall Plan, the author of the plan General Marshall himself was a Republican. Just some facts behind your smug liberal ignorance.
226 Scratch
November 25th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@Yawyack (217):
I’m still convinced that the Bedingfield song came first.
@Rainmaker (222):
Read your comment again to check for the amusing spelling error that undermines your entire statement.
227 Marv in DC
November 25th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
@Rainmaker (222): Correct spelling and punctuation tend to make a stronger argument. Just my opinion.
228 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
@Marv in DC (220): Well i think we should i think the whole healthcare should be reformed but i dont think that the government should have that much power to require you to buy it and then they are the ones selling it seems a little like giving up freedom you should be required to purchase anything by the federal government esspecially if they are going to be the ones controlling the price it sounds more like organized crime and less like federal government i also feel that the american people won’t tolerate it for long when they realize how it will affect them personal level
@Rainmaker (222): haha ok here’s a bonus question for you
Obama’s approval rating has went down all across the board. [[EXCEPT]] In the black community it stays at 97% approval rating, even though unemployment for black males 19-24 has peaked at 34% thats the highest out of males aged 19-24 of any race. The question is Does the black community have a 97% approval rating for Obama based on his policies or based on his skin color??
another obama note He was campaigning to bring the troops home lets see what happens next week when he reveils his afghanistan plan
229 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
shouldn’t* haha
230 Leann
November 25th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Why do so many people feel the need to comment about how bad lists are? If you don’t like it, make one that’s better or shut up.
231 Emily
November 25th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Let’s all agree on one thing: Obama is really handsome.
232 Randall
November 25th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@Tom (226):
Nixon was president… but he summarily and prematurely cancelled the program. In part for budgetary reasons, but in part because it was “Kennedy’s baby,” and Nixon, as we know, by that point detested the Kennedys.
233 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@Emily (232): {sarcasm alert} yeah thats what we should considered when electing a president anyway the physical characteristics, Ha policies what do they matter so what if he ruins our nation at least he looks good doing it right?
234 Emily
November 25th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
@ HAHAHAHA: {sarcasm alert} Yes, you’re right. In fact, that’s the only thing I took into consideration when I voted for him.
Honestly, you don’t need to be a dick about it. I was just trying to lighten up the mood.
235 HAHAHAHA
November 25th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
@Emily (235): I’m sorry for being a dick
236 Joel
November 25th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
“Finally, on July 4, 1776, all thirteen colonies signed”
Why has no one commented on this yet? As far as I know, only John Hancock had signed the Declaration of Independance on the 4th of July
237 Maggot
November 25th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@Whatever (221): I was kinda hoping for a bonus, for some reason.
How about: when “Jon & Kate’s” 15 minutes of fame are finally over?
238 evcunningham
November 25th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Is it wrong that I read this list for the comments? I mean I already knew what would be on here, though I half expected winning the Mexican-American War would be on the list. Maybe an honorable mention.
239 ClassyKoehler
November 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
It seems as though some of the things mentioned on the list are just events which occurred in other countries first and then the U.S. followed suit. If there’s one thing I learned from reading a bunch of Howard Zinn, it’s that our country followed other countries examples and just made a bigger deal about it. Some of these feats are no so momentous because they happened elsewhere and we just got to that point late. We were expected to do them anyways. Civil Rights, women’s suffrage, emancipation proclamation, etc. were all just semi-ratified versions of what other countries had already accomplished.
Hard to explain.
240 K
November 25th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Actually woman have not even gained certain rights until the 1970′s like being able to work at the same jobs as men and get the same amount of money for it.
241 Sammy Valenti
November 25th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
@Marv
@Sammy (175):
“If you honestly think that Lincoln and Roosevelt would be welcomed in today’s republican party you are sadly deluded. Oh and I forgot about the part in history where Wilson started WWI and FDR invaded Poland in order to start WWII, not to mention Truman ordering North Korea to attack South Korea. Guess all my history books are wrong.”
No one said Wilson had to join World War I
No one said we had to sends troops into Europe in World War II
No one said we had to fight the North Koreans
242 TheGanjaGuru
November 25th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Does anyone else find it kind of sad that this is all we have managed to accomplish in 233 years of existence?
TheGanjaGuru
243 Mark
November 25th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
@Sammy Valenti (242): The US was put in charge of South Korea after WWII. You wouldn’t have to fight the Chinese to defend Alaska, but I’m pretty sure that you would.
244 Mark
November 25th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
@rushfan (92): I’m Australian, they’re not my national affairs. Claiming that Obama’s election would destroy the US isn’t widely known or accepted, nor is what he is doing actually going to wreck the USA in any conceivable way. Learn some economics.
245 Sammy
November 25th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
“Mark
The US was put in charge of South Korea after WWII. You wouldn’t have to fight the Chinese to defend Alaska, but I’m pretty sure that you would.”
I’m not sure if you know this, but Alaska is part of the United Sates. South Korea is not.
Apples and Oranges
246 Robert
November 25th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
I’ve given up trying to talk to people about politics.
If I tell a liberal how I don’t agree with the health care bill they respond with “You just want people to die! You don’t care about anybody you war mongering, gun crazy, right wing wacko!”
If I tell somebody on the right how I don’t think we should be in Afghanistan that’s met with “You just want America to lose because you hate it liberal!”
Why is it so hard for people to understand not everybody thinks in black and white.
247 Sammy
November 25th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
“How about the “trade” for Texas, California, Nevada, New Mexico, Arizona, Utah, Washington, and Oregon, as portions of what would later become Oklahoma, Colorado, Kansas, Wyoming, and Montana.
500,000 square miles flooded with oil: 500 million USD
Defeating a close-to-nothing army force: 2 years”
Trade “Texas”? I think you may need to learn a little history.
248 Chanchita
November 25th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
@ Mary Jo (143) I´m in Santiago too well Padre Hurtado!! Where are you?
249 escobar
November 25th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
@evcunningham (239): Why would that get an honorable mention??
250 Mark
November 25th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@Sammy (246): You’re right, the argument was specious, how about this:
The US was attacked by Japan before entering WWII (one could assume that that was why) the Phillipines wasn’t a part of the US, but they did control them. Should they just not defend it? Not bother? No, because not only were they strategic (like South Korea) but the US also has to show the world how “good” they are.
Do you really think that the US should have given up South Korea and basically just said to China “you attack something and you can have it, we don’t really mind.”?
251 GTT
November 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
@oouchan (186): OK, point taken. As you probably know, I´m not American but I did study in an (international) American school so my only memories of Thanksgiving involve a first-grader me dressed up as an Indian and some of my friends dressed up as Pilgrims all sitting at a huge table at school, eating until we wanted to explode and going home early for a 4 day holiday!
@Mad Jayhawk (196): The title is GREAT MOMENTS (as in postivie) not transformational (?) moments. 9/11, the assassination of MLK, Pearl Harbor, etc would definately NOT be great, positive moments in US history.
252 GTT
November 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
OK, I know I´m probably going to get flamed for this (and I´m regretting my decision to jump into this argument even as I type this), here are my two cents on Obama:
Shouldnt we all wait until he´s actually done something before we all either hail him as the next savior or condemn him for “leading the country to destruction”? The man deserves a chance to prove himself.
That said, I´m a little confused by the people who seem to think he´s the best thing since sliced cheese when it´s not like he´s left a bright, shining legacy behind him. Why are these people so desperate to approve of him? Is it because he´s black? Or for the simple reason he´s not Bush? Shouldnt he actually have to DO something to deserve all the praise (and the Nobel prize)?
253 nuriko
November 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Happy Thanksgiving!
254 Diogenes
November 25th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I hate fucking patriotism
and fuck thanksgiving.
aside from that,
I liked your list.
didchuknow:
Buzz Aldrin urinated in his moonsuit, midway down the ladder, before stepping on the moon.
255 Some Guy in NEPA
November 25th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
#10 Barack Obama becomes the first non-American elected President.
256 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
@Signe (108):
Is winning World War II not a great moment in US history?
As I said, I know who took Berlin – but I also know who took Japan.
257 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
To all the people arguing that things like winning WW2 shouldn’t be on the list because America didn’t do it alone:
Um, the US didn’t give women the right to vote alone, nor did they even do it first.
I do agree that I feel this list, like a few others, were just ways to bring up Obama more. It reminds me of…if any of you live on college campuses: You ever notice how you always know which computer people use iMacs? You may not know who made everyone’s PC but you definitely know who buys Apple. That’s because they tend to make sure you know. I’m not saying all Apple fans are this way by any means – but the most vocal of them are just like the most vocal obama-supporters.
258 trish
November 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
I don’t like obama’s opinions on policy. I voted for him in the primaries but eventually voted for a libertarian in the main election. When Obama accomplishes something great besides being the first black president I will support him.
I think a native american president would be greater than a black one considering how badly we screwed the indians.
259 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
@ Spocker (100):
“To your credit, JFK gave the inspiration to walk on the moon by the end of the decade, though.”
That was kind of my whole point.
@ bassbait (210):
“Ya, you shouldn’t. There is no correlation between political party and achievement. Guess who freed the slaves? Abe Lincoln was our 2nd greatest president, and he was republican. Washington was our greatest and he opposed political parties. Any correlation? No. The significance of all those presidents have little to do with the significance of the actual moment.”
Maybe you should learn how to read. I specifically referenced from the 20th century and onward. Obviously the 1700s and 1800s preceded what we now recognize to be the Republican and Democratic parties.
@ StephenR (224):
“in fact JFK ushered in immense TAX CUTS which, as always, stimulated the economy.”
JFK also described himself as a proud liberal. Huzzah.
260 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
@ Tom (226):
So smug, yet so ignorant. Read my above post.
Oh, and LMAO at you trying to take credit for the Marshall Plan.
George Marshall was not partisan, and certainly wasn’t Republican.
Moreover, the most serious opposition came from the right wing of the Republican Party. Republican senator Robert Taft (who planned to run for president), former Republican president Herbert Hoover, Republican senator James Kem, and conservative commentator Henry Hazlitt ALL opposed the Marshall Plan.
Why did they oppose the Marshall Plan? For roughly the same reasons that they currently oppose health care reform. LMAO.
261 Carole
November 25th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
All Hail America’s slave owning forefathers! The greatest being Thomas Jefferson, who fathered 14 children with his wife’s half sister slave maid.
Woman’s Suffrage? I think England was way ahead of you on that one.
262 Yondofan12
November 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
You forgot when I was born.
@carole: You can include that on the England list then.
263 plasmatwa2
November 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
@ Sandy (258): You’re right, America did “take” Japan and the U.S.S.R. did “take” Germany. You said earlier you also knew why the German troops were divided. You should also make sure to remember it was not only the atomic bombings that caused Japan to surrender: The Soviets declared war on Japan on August 8th and quickly destroyed the Kwantung Army. That was one of the primary reasons (along with the bombings) that forced Japan to surrender.
264 Garash
November 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Meh, so-so list, it’s mostly so-so because i already knew this stuff, i mean a lot of people,even non-usanians (<-lol)
Would be more informative and interesting (at-least for me)if you picked a smaller nation that i knew little about.
How about an african country? Surley at least 1 have progressed since the 1900's.
265 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
^ And by “they” in the last line of the above post, I mean “Republicans”. It should be obvious, but I may as well clarify myself, considering the questionable capacity for reading comprehension characteristic of those who have thus far called me out in this list.
266 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@ Garash (266):
You’re free to contribute a list of your own…
267 Pablo
November 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Happy Thanksgiving! Fuck Obama! He didn’t put the turkey on our table.
268 Comrade
November 25th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
One of the best lists I’ve read, but USA never landed on the moon
269 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
@ Comrade (270):
The US also never signed the Declaration of Independence. OMG CONSPIRACY!!!
270 gr81disp
November 25th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
WTF is the greatest achievement in human history (much less US history) doing at number 9?
271 jake ryder
November 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I was very hesitant to read this list when I first saw the topic. But I’m glad my fear of American propaganda didn’t stop me. It was well done with no excessive flag waving.
272 Maggot
November 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
@gr81disp (273): WTF is the greatest achievement in human history (much less US history) doing at number 9?
It’s sitting right there between “2008″ and “1964″. That’s what it is doing. Why do you ask?
273 jake ryder
November 25th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Oh by the way. re:273 the list is reverse chronological that’s why it’s at 9
re: 270 you’re just a moron for believing conspiracy theories. Shut the computer off and turn on Mythbusters.
274 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
@ jake ryder (274):
Maybe you should take a hint.
275 The Annoyed Elephant
November 25th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Seriously? Obama beat out things like “Winning World War 2″, “Beating the Great Depression”, and “The US Defeats the Soviet Union in the Cold War”?
276 J. West
November 25th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Seems a bit rich to include obama’s election in there.
277 waffenss
November 25th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
since you decided to add that obama as one one our “greatest momements” i will never againe rea this sight. He is worthless and you have showed leftest side and that is the side that will be rememberd.
278 imcrystalclear
November 25th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
@astraya (60): I have to second all that you said. I live in the United States and I have reminded my daughter on several occassions that, although we are “American”, our neighbors on both sides of us are also “American”, they, too, live in North, South or Central American. Thank you for reminding everyone of this.
279 imcrystalclear
November 25th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
@J. West (277): I don’t know the writers mind, but I think the point was that an African-American was elected President when there was a time in my history when many people thought that would never happen. I’m not an Obama fan, but I think that our Nation electing an African-American shows that we are beginning to put some of our horrid past in the past. Hopefully, we will only move forward and accept all people for who they are not what race they are.
280 mom424
November 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
@Maggot (237): I certainly hope so. Right along with the baby machine chick, the Beckhams, and anyone who has ever appeared on an episode of Survivor, The Bachelor, et al.
By the way – Excellent comment section today folks. Good job everybody!
281 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
@waffenss (278):
Not that you’re here to read this, but there’s more than one author. Some are pretty nonpartisan, some are sadly pretty biased.
I do resent this website telling me I should be thankful for Obama’s election. My family is juuuust at the edge of the upper middle class, and the taxes and penalties we face for being self-sufficient are hurting us, very badly, to support plans we didn’t vote for.
282 Marv in DC
November 25th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
@Sammy Valenti (241):
Seriously? That’s your argument? We didn’t have to get involved? The comments I was replying to were ones that implied (falsely) that the US was somehow responsible for WWI and WWII and that the democrats were part of that. As far as I know, neither the republicans or the democrats were responsible for either war. Once again I guess I’m reading the wrong history books. Care to expand on your comments?
283 Marv in DC
November 25th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@Sandy (281): I get what you’re saying but in all fairness I have had to pay for decisions made that I didn’t agree with for the last 8 years under Bush. As much as you think Obama is leading us to the destruction of America as you know it, I think he is doing a better job than Bush who I thought was destroying America as I know it.
284 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
@waffenss (277):
LOL. Good riddance.
285 uninsane
November 25th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I HATE THIS LIST
If it’s going to be a list of great moments in american history can we please lay off all the political B.S. and look at some things that are actually great ( excluding 9 , 7 , 2, 1)
Where is the invention of transistors ,AC motors, radio , airplanes , the internet , ………
THE ELECTRIC GUITAR and most of all the thing that reminds Americans that they live in the greatest country on earth and still kick ass ….
The 50 Caliber Machine Gun
286 The_Snowdog
November 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
The problem I have with #10 (Obama) is that it focuses on the fact that Obama is black.
In order for the US to be truly racially neutral, everything needs to be color-blind. So, to point out continually that Obama is the first African American president perpetuates the race topic. How many protests would there be if Washington was celebrated as the first white president?
There are too many areas where the color of skin is specified such as Miss Black America, Black History month, etc.
Substitute White for Black and there would be an outcry. Racism is racism whether it is racism against blacks, latinos, asians, and against whites.
And the so-called protectors of race such as Jesse “Hymietown” Jackson and Al Sharpton are 2 of the most racists idiots out there.
Affirmative action is another example of racism that is accepted.
People should be hired and elected based solely on their ability to do the job. For anyone who voted for Obama just because he is black – that is racism.
I did not vote for Obama – not because he is black but because of his policies and where he wanted to take the US. I did not feel he was the best person for the job. And his agenda and actions since the election have shown that he is not up to the job.
So, as far as #10 is concerned, it is not a “great moment in US history” because a black man was elected nor would it be a “worst moment in US history” because a black man was elected.
287 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
@uninsane (285):
I, for one, am extremely glad SharonE wrote this list, and not you.
288 dudemeister
November 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
#1- Declaration of Independence- Good pick
“Dear New Yorkers,
You’re welcome for your independence, liberty, and taxation with representation. No need to thank us, we’re just doing our job.
Sincerely,
Philadelphians
P.S. Yankees Suck”
289 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
@Marv in DC (283):
I’m sorry, did I say anywhere that Obama is the end of America as we know it?
Did I say that earlier? That’s funny. I must’ve been pretty tired, because I don’t remember claiming that.
All I said is that Obama’s policies are harmful to me, and because of it, I don’t like his policies. Please don’t make me out to be some kind of radical because I actually made a good point – if my point is not valid, then please say how it isn’t. If it is, please don’t lie and say I made a different point so you can say -that- is invalid.
If you thought Bush was the end of America as you knew it, you must feel pretty silly right now. America’s still standing. I’m fairly confident America will be here long after Obama, too.
290 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
@Sandy (281): You can’t expect everything going perfect for you in life..
291 bil
November 25th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Intresting list. Too bad #10 is trampling on #1. For those intrested in the U. S. Constitution should check out The 5000 Miracle on Amazon.com. Also since when is “skin color,”a determing factor to be included in a list of great U. S. Moments? That is one of the main problems with the U. S. Today; P. C. In other words;since when is a person’s skin color more important than their character?
292 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
@bil (291):
Yes, because we all know that blacks were enslaved in America because of their “character”, not their skin color.
293 Cdn Eh
November 25th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
calm_incense (Post #20):
Now THIS is interesting:
294 Cdn Eh
November 25th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
oh shoot, here’s the link (it’s late, I’ll blame it on that
)
http://www.mapsofwar.com/ind/american-wars.html
295 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
November 25th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
@The_Snowdog (286): I would agree with most of what you said. Except I did vote for Obama haha. And I do think that to an extent Obama being elected was good symbolically, but people always seem to forget he is just as much black as he is white.
296 stefan
November 25th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
fuck america, especially obama that faggot hasn’t done shit to help the economy and peoples lives…
worse yet he got a nobel peace prize over people who give up their time and lives to aid those in need with no recognition
so why did obama get it?
BECAUSE HE’S A BLACK PRESIDENT
this world disgusts me
297 Thewho
November 25th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Barrack Obama really should be considered one of the saddest days where the American people were tricked. Obama by far is already one of the worst presidents. This whole list is shit now and can’t be taken seriously.
298 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
@stefan (296): Wow man you are being incredibly racist..Obama got it because he was a better option than McCain and the oh so intelligent and experienced Sarah Palin..and not because he was black
299 uninsane
November 25th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
@ calm_incense
appreciate the feedback , and I hope you know the last line was a bit of a bad joke.
But seriously I would have to say on any given day inventions that change the world are far more important than any political thing.
300 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
@Thewho (297): No need to indulge in anti-Obama comments under two or three aliases
301 stefan
November 25th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
@Geronimo1618 (298): i wasnt intending to be racist
i just think its a little screwed up how a man got such a prestigious prize just because of what is is not who he is.
and he may have been the best candidate etc, but that doesn’t take away the fact that hes really done nothing.
such hype for so little result
302 Sandy
November 25th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
@Geronimo1618 (290):
So, if I were to come to your house, armed, and take your family’s money that they earned through hard work, and tell you I was going to give it to people I think are more worthy of it, would you roll over and say “Well, life’s not perfect?”
I sincerely hope not. But police would do exactly that if I don’t pay my taxes.
You can’t expect life to be perfect, but do you just accept that instead of spamming BS about how Bush is evil long after he’s been removed from office? No?
Don’t give advice if you can’t take it. If you can’t stand to see people that disagree with you politically, then please don’t post your own garbage – conservatives hate conservative-bashing about as much as liberals hate liberal-bashing.
303 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
@Sandy (302): OK man,you are angry and hurt at Obama being prez and people criticising Bush because you think that Obama is almost as bad..but that’s life,move on..else keep sulking for five years..
304 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Hoooo..I am waiting for the next list..Hope it’ll be more interestin’ than this..this wasn’t that bad but a bit borin’
305 calm_incense
November 25th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
@uninsane (299):
AC motors, the radio, airplanes, the Internet , and the electric guitar were all nice inventions, but none of them had anything to do with the US, other than that they were invented or developed by Americans. Maybe you couldn’t tell, but the entries on this list have more to do with America’s own progress as a country, rather than mankind’s progress due to America…
@ stefan (301):
Who would you say had done more than Obama during the past year to facilitate international peace?
306 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Shit man ,I’m bored with this Obama and Bush stuff.Sandy was right..I’ll refrain from making any more unproductive comments.
307 damien_karras
November 25th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
@Geronimo1618 (303):
Ok, I’ll roll over Geronimo since you are of the mind to be so generous with other people’s money. How much, (just give a ballpark percentage), do you think is a fair amount for a person to give to the government from their paycheck?
308 sof
November 25th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Has there ever been a list that didn’t devolve into a liberals VS conservatives flamefest?
309 Geronimo1618
November 25th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@damien_karras (307): Well..that depends on the income,but for mid-upper class it should be say 10% or 15% of their paycheck.
310 Fred
November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 am
#308: Nope. I think there are a lot of very thin-skinned people who are the more active commentors, unfortunately. They’ve gotta show how important they are by sh!tting all over the place.
BTW, great list. These are all accomplishments with which we can all be proud as Americans. If you can’t, maybe you need to step away from the partisan crack for awhile.
311 Hugo
November 26th, 2009 at 12:26 am
@Zack
You are truly stupid aren’t you?
In case you don’t actually know what Women’s Suffrage is, then I am sorry.
312 DoctorAnoose!
November 26th, 2009 at 1:18 am
@Andy (101): Now that’s quite an interesting point raised by Andy. I wonder if a Native American could ever become US President?
313 Purdaddy
November 26th, 2009 at 1:18 am
I think, personally, #1 should be beating England in the Revolutionary War
314 joker
November 26th, 2009 at 1:19 am
america faked the moon landings eveyone knows that.
315 Anon
November 26th, 2009 at 1:26 am
Seems to me there’s a fair amount of bias in this list. Liberal bias, and I don’t like it
. Not one bit
316 dbrownl
November 26th, 2009 at 1:33 am
This week is thanksgiving week in the US, so it seems fitting that we should have a list especially for our American readers.
why didn’t us canadians get a special list on our thanksgiving??? just whining here
317 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 1:54 am
@Geronimo1618 (309):
It’s a lot higher than that. A LOT higher than that.
@calm_incense (305):
Women’s suffrage, the Marshall Plan…those aren’t really exclusively great moments in US history any more than the invetnion of the Internet is.
I’m still for replacing Obama’s nomination with, say, the end of World War II or something. It’s a moment in American history and it sure was a great moment.
318 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 2:52 am
@Hugo (311):
You are truly stupid aren’t you?
In case you don’t actually know what a pun is, then I am sorry.
@Sandy (317):
The invention of the Internet wasn’t really an exemplary “great moment in US history” because it doesn’t really have anything to do with the nation as a whole; it was just an experimental development that most of the public knew nothing about. And the fruits of this ingenuity were certainly not limited to the US.
Women’s suffrage, by comparison, was made possible through massive, nation-wide activism, on behalf of millions of supporters, and the efforts of everyday Americans.
The Marshall Plan, meanwhile, was a shining example of American generosity that every American ought to be proud of. Not only that, but it literally helped Western Europe transform into the incredibly wealthy environment it is today, after being completely devastated by war. America essentially saved Western Europe from ruin, which I’d say is pretty “great”.
Winning World War II was certainly a great thing, but it happened in retrospect of millions upon millions of lost lives, and winning that costly of a war isn’t really a “great moment” so much as a thankful moment.
The inclusion of Obama’s election has nothing to do with Obama in and of himself, or his policies. It’s about the symbolic ability of a nation of people to elect a racial minority to its highest office, an act more or less unprecedented in Europe and the rest of the world.
Aka, we gave those supposedly forward-thinking, progressive, liberal Western Europeans a run for their money.
319 Ozhan
November 26th, 2009 at 3:08 am
In Turkiye, people talks that thanks to the marshall plan, Turkish railroad services took a big hit. By making the cars and gasoline temporarily cheap then forcing the aid money to be spend only in areas USA sees fit such as roads and USA cars.
So today many people accuse the Turkish goverment of that era to be sold outs.
320 Muscarius
November 26th, 2009 at 3:42 am
@ 11 (Rodeny)
and Italy! we ruled the world, long, long, long, LONG ago!
321 The Annoyed Elephant
November 26th, 2009 at 5:40 am
@calm_incense (305):
>> Who would you say had done more than Obama during the
>>past year to facilitate international peace?
American soldiers.
322 ROCK FLAGGAAND EAGLLEEEE
November 26th, 2009 at 5:58 am
ROCKFLAG AND EAGGGGGLLLLEEEEEE
Do one of these for turkmenistan, US politics (democrats vs Republicans) are boring as hell and all their policitians are caricatures,
it makes me wonder how the ordinary americans can be so nice but their politicians are idiots and caricatures
323 Chanchita
November 26th, 2009 at 6:34 am
@ Snowdog (286) & General Tits.. (296): THANK you. I 100% agree with everything you´ve written! I´m not American, so I didn´t get the opportunity to vote for someone based on their skin colour, but I wouldn´t have done…
The thing is, as you say, Mr Chodehoffen, Obama´s half white. So what happens when, in the future, America has its first fully black president? Will there be all the hype all over again? And will everyone now shouting about Obama being the first black president then suddenly turn around and say “Well, Obama was only HALF black, after all…”
Oh and completely agree re Black History Month and Miss Black America. If I tried to introduce a beauty contest for only white women, I don´t think it would go down very well.
324 warlock6
November 26th, 2009 at 7:07 am
great list, as usual. i just know that there are strong doubts exist as for #9. video shows that the American flag has an influence of a wind. but where can you find a wind in space????
325 the faltese malcon
November 26th, 2009 at 7:12 am
What about Elvis?! And side by side with BO at #10: Mr Universe, Governor of California! :]
326 GTT
November 26th, 2009 at 7:53 am
@The_Snowdog (286): I actually had that same conversation with my mother just the other day. She says it always surprises her when she reads/hears news in the States… It´s always “African-American male did this” of “Caucasian female did that”. You dont see that in other countries (at least not the ones I´ve lived in).
And I also agree with your other points.
The public outcry over a White History Month would be deafening while no one says anything about Black History Month.
While it is true that affirmative action had some relevance at one point, I think we should be past it. How is it “fair” that a black/Hispanic/whatever person gets a job just because of his/her race over a more qualified white person? Job offerings should be blind to all except qualifications.
327 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 8:16 am
It’s due to American education. Public schools in America teach children to be extremely sensitive about race. They’re always pointing out racial differences – there’s a black history month, a latino history month, a native american appreciation month…etc.
And you won’t go through middle or high school without learning about Martin Luther King Jr. every single year, often in multiple classes at the same time, and especially in Feburary. I’m not saying he’s not important, but there aren’t many other topics that I can say I’ve had to learn about for over twelve different courses (esp. lit, social studies, history courses) in seven years.
If I understand correctly, schools in other countries aren’t so eager to point out the black kid, or the asian kid, etc. Over here, it’s brought up nearly constantly in public school, and there’s always events, clubs, etc. just for blacks, or latinos, or asians, or whatever – never for whites for obvious reasons. And there are a lot of scholarships and opportunities for miorities when it comes to college.
I’ve seen a lot of white-on-black crime be labelled a hate crime for no better reason than the victim and the perpetrator being two different races. It’s really sad.
So Americans are more sensitive partly because of how traumatic race relations have been in American history, but also because we teach our children to be very sensitive to it. A lot of children that’re old enough to understand the concept, over here, report in national studies that they feel they have to be nicer to minorities because teachers are more strict about those kids than others. Again – it’s really sad. It’s just racism in a different form.
328 Scratch
November 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I will bite my tongue about Obama bashing and the idea of a white history month.
I feel that it is much too early to include Obama in a great moments in US History list. I can understand the argument for it, but it just seems premature to me.
I think he could be replaced by the emergence of the US as a superpower after World War II, although I guess it would hard to choose a moment that defined this emergence. I suppose this comment section would be lit up with comments about the many flaws in American foreign policy then too.
Meh.
329 MUWAYI IDDI
November 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Actually I agree with all what the Author have just disclosed here on this blog and indeed this sound more substantial in the History of US.
Am a Ugandan and living in Uganda at the moment but i do follow what is happening around the World with latest development and worst event claiming lives of many Human beings around the globe.
All what this topic under discussiion concerning the History of US shows a great picture of democracy,development,unity and Brothery as People of same Blood despite of Colour,race,religion and so forth….lol.
Cheers
MUWAYI IDDI
UGANDA (EAST AFRICA).
330 Braden
November 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I think it’d be a lot better if someone who acknowledged the Constitution were elected rather than Obama. I understand the barrier was broken, but at what cost? He is carrying out the same thing the Bush administration was doing, only worse.
331 dudemeister
November 26th, 2009 at 8:59 am
*CORRECTION*
The Declaration of Independence was not actually signed on July 4th, it was adopted on July 4th. Most of the signing was on August 2nd, 1776.
332 Karly
November 26th, 2009 at 9:59 am
I really enjoyed this list! As for #10, I don’t understand why the argument has to become political. Perhaps we should wait to see how Obama does as President before we put him on a top 10 “greatest moments in history” list, but that wasn’t the author’s point. The fact that a black man was elected to the highest office in America IS significant. As SharonE said, that same man would have been another man’s possession 150 years ago, would not have been served at the same restaurant 50 years ago, and is still considered by some Americans to be a second class citizen. That doesn’t mean we all have to agree with his policies.
To the conservatives who complain that this list is biased, everything is biased. I’m sure your own list would be biased, as well. And to the conservatives who think this list places too much importance on gender and race issues, it’s no wonder Republicans have the reputation of being racist and sexist. I am NOT saying that’s an accurate perception. Racism and sexism exist in both parties, to be sure. But really, how can you argue that women’s suffrage, the abolition of slavery, and the breaking down of racial barriers aren’t significant? We have come a long way, baby, and we have a lot further to go. That doesn’t mean we can’t appreciate the progress we’ve made, while at the same time always striving to make things better for all people.
333 cryan
November 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
1920; worst year in amurican history. obama should be lynched
334 blackwatertown
November 26th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Thanks for the list. Especially #3 The Louisiana Purchase. I was aware of it, but I’m embarrassed to see how wrong my undestanding was of just how much territory was included in the buy-out.
Though I wonder if Americans are aware of the extent to which they may owe a debt to Haiti for having in Napoleon such a willing seller? That’s because the French had suffered such reverses at the hands of the revolution led by Toussaint L’ouverture.
335 HOMER SIMPSON
November 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
yay america
336 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
@The Annoyed Elephant (321):
That’s a great answer that is sure to get you cheers from wide-eyed American voters if you ever run for office, but I’m sure you’re well aware that’s not a feasible recipient for the Nobel Peace Prize.
If you can’t think of a single individual who has done more to foster international peace than Obama over the past year, maybe you and your folks should quit yer bitchin’.
337 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
@Scratch (328):
“Premature”? You DO realize that the entry’s inclusion on the list has nothing to do with Obama in and of himself, or his policies, right? That’s like saying, “Well, yes, we gave blacks the right to vote, but before calling this a ‘great moment’, let’s wait to see what they do with it.”
-_-
338 jazinho
November 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
stopped reading at “the last racial barrier in American politics was overcome.”
339 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
^ I realize reading can be a difficult endeavor. Don’t worry about it.
340 Scratch
November 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
@calm_incense (338):
Yes, I realize that, but I think it is important to have some distance from an event before declaring it one of the most important events of a history.
If this list had been made a year after blacks obtained the right to vote I would say that was premature too. Not because it would remain to be seen what blacks did with the vote, but because other laws could have been enacted to prevent their vote.
I believe that we can only truly see the significance of an event when we have some distance from it. Have all racial barriers in the United States been overcome now that Obama is president? I really don’t think so.
341 GTT
November 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@Sandy (327): True…
But the point is: while the stated intent might be to end racism, arent all these policies and attitudes just perpetuating it? Why cant the country just let go of that separating marker?
342 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
@Scratch (341):
No one ever said “all racial barriers in the United States have been overcome”. But electing a racial minority as President of the United States has always been seen as a hypothetical symbolic marker of social progress, kind of like a “when pigs fly” time-schedule.
It’s clear you’re interested more in real progress than symbolic progress, but “real progress” is much harder to measure, and it’s often impossible to put a “timestamp” on it.
343 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
@GTT (342):
That was kind of Sandy’s entire point…
344 GTT
November 26th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
@calm_incense (344): My point is WHY are you Americans so obsessed with continuing the racial divide? WHY do you still teach it in school? WHY is everyone who does not follow these racial classifications termed not PC or worse, a racist? WHY do you continue to celebrate holidays that only serve to further divide between races (I´m not talking about MLK, I´m talking about Black History Month, or Hispanic Appreciation Week or whatever)?
It´s incredible that you would continue to pat yourselves on the back over electing a BLACK president. His race shouldnt matter, his qualifications should. And until as a culture you learn to look past his race, you will never actually get over that “last racial barrier.”
345 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
@GTT (345):
Again, you’re repeating Sandy’s point. Do you not realize you’re saying the same thing she already said…?
Like her, I, too, agree with the argument for post-racialism. So your questions towards me are largely falling on deaf ears.
You would also benefit to refrain from assuming all Americans think alike. I hope you don’t actually think that millions of Americans haven’t already made the same argument you’re making now.
346 archiealt
November 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@GTT (345):
‘It´s incredible that you would continue to pat yourselves on the back over electing a BLACK president. His race shouldnt matter, his qualifications should. And until as a culture you learn to look past his race, you will never actually get over that “last racial barrier.”’
So true. I live in England, and when Obama got elected there were loads of people over here saying stuff like,
‘That’s soooo great for America, it’s about time we got a black Prime Minister over here’
…..What? No, it’s about time we got a good Prime Minister, regardless of race. Those people who voted for Obama solely because he’s black are almost as stupid as those who didn’t vote for him because he’s black.
347 GTT
November 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
@calm_incense (346):
Again, if those millions of Americans are making the same argument, WHY ARENT THEY ALL CLAMORING TO ERASE THE RACIAL DIVIDE THAT IS TAUGHT AT SCHOOLS? You hear (in the news) people who lobby to change curriculums regarding Creationism, etc but I´ve yet to hear the first news piece regarding ONE person who lobbyed to eliminate racial clubs and scholarships… Do you understand what I´m saying now?
348 Scratch
November 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
@calm_incense (343):
I can see how this could be considered a milestone in America’s racial history, particularly considering how recent the Civil Rights movement was and how much reverence Americans have for the position of president. Still, I think it is too early to talk about this being one of America’s top ten historically great events.
For those who are arguing that race should be ignored, I think that it’s a well-meaning thought but an incorrect one. Out of their segregation, oppression and continued discrimination, black Americans have formed a strong and beautiful culture. So although race is a useless construct biologically, it has become imbued with cultural meaning. Celebrating this and other cultures within America should not create animosity or division, but should foster pride in an integral culture within the American culture.
Key word being should.
349 Woyzeck
November 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Call me Mr. Carter or Mr. Lawnmower, but reading this list of achievements reminds me of the special needs kids at High School who were given awards for “effort” at graduation.
350 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
@GTT (348):
Because that’s “racist.”
If you lobby against, say, a black youth group, you get labelled a racist. And in America, “racist” is right up there with “rapist” or something – it’s a term you really don’t want to be stuck with.
It doesn’t matter how well-reasoned your argument against it is. America is a culture of thirty-second headlines. You may argue that they contribute to a racial divide by discouraging racial integration, but Americans by the hundreds of millions will hear “This person lobbies to ban black youth organizations!”
351 crumpetthestrumpet
November 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
don’t care…
352 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
@crumpetthestrumpet (352):
don’t post…
353 Chanchita
November 26th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
@ Sandy (351).. Just a side point..umm…where in the world is “racist” a term that you DO want to be stuck with?
354 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
@Chanchita (354):
Some places are more sensitive to race than others. I didn’t mean to imply racxism is okay elsewhere.
355 Scratch
November 26th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
@Sandy (355):
But why would you lobby against a black youth group?
356 Karly
November 26th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
In a perfect world, race shouldn’t matter, and it shouldn’t be something we even consider. But in America, race has always been an issue, and to overlook it now has its own dangers. Because the white standard is still in effect, not looking at race inevitably leads to assuming everything should be “white.” That’s one of the benefits of being in the privileged majority. It’s easy for whites to think that recognizing race perpetuates division and prejudice. But if we don’t consider race and all of its historical implications, then we’re pushing a huge part of our history under the rug. We’re forgetting the stories of millions. Race, whether we like it or not, continues to be a very real issue with very real, far reaching effects.
357 psychonauticalmindbloom
November 26th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Good list but I think the top spot should have been reserved for getting rid of W
358 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
@Scratch (356):
Read some of the above comments. Creating a whole seperate organization just for black kids (or any minority – blacks are just an example) is no less racist than having a seperate bathroom for black kids.
It teaches our children, from a very young age, lessons about racial division. It teaches black children that they should play with other black children, and it teaches white children that they should play with other white children.
Having only graduated high school last year, I still have vivid memories of my high school cafeteria. You’d think, in a high school that’s only 20% white, there wouldn’t be such a racial divide – but there was. There were rather clearly “white” tables and “black” tables and “hispanic” tables and even one “asian” table, with very little overlap. And I think this is at least partially because even as very young children, we see groups exclusively for given minorities. It’s just divisive.
There’s a reason I preferred lunch in the library. Listverse not being blocked on the school computers was just a bonus.
359 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
@Scratch (356):
It’s not because I don’t think black kids should be in youth groups, I just don’t see why they can’t be in the same youth group other children are.
360 Woyzeck
November 26th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
America really is fucked.
361 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
America’s not doing too bad.
362 Snert
November 26th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I stopped reading after reading the heading of #10. Obama’s election was and is not a great moment in US history. It will go down as one of the worst moments of this great country’s timeline.
The man is trying to destroy what is great about the US.
Obama is one and done. The only good thing about what Obama, Pelosi, Reid and their ilk is trying to do is that it will destroy the democratic majority in congress for the remainder of my lifetime.
For that, I’ll be grateful for Obama.
363 calm_incense
November 26th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Thank you, Snert, for your original insight.
[/sarcasm]
364 BravehisTickle
November 26th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@Snert (363): You are so intelligent and wise that I dunno what to say,missing Ol’george are you..? (snicker)
365 Sandy
November 26th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
@Snert (363):
To the two after it and everyone thinking the same thing:
That’s EXACTLY how conservatives feel when the exact same thing is said about Bush.
Try looking at it that way. If that annoys you, then try thinking about how much you annoy others. There have been SO many “bush was evil go obama!!!” comments in the comments here, you can stand to see the reverse once or twice too.
And here I was told the Republicans are the intolerant ones. And I’m only half-Republican at that – the religious right irritates me as much as the socialist aspects of the left.
366 BravehisTickle
November 26th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
@Sandy (366): Oh,that’s why you are tryin’ to advise everyone.I’v heard Republicans are very happy of their Prez achievements of massacring every pseuso-US-threatening country..great man you people are the best..Bush is the best,GO Bush Go!
367 calm_incense
November 27th, 2009 at 12:04 am
@Sandy (366):
I’ve never said anything remotely similar to “bush was evil go obama!!!”. In fact, I don’t even have a negative opinion of George W. Bush.
Never forget the first three letters of the word “assume”.
368 BravehisTickle
November 27th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Real bored with this Bush Obama crap talk(guilty myself) and some wisecrack’s personally assumed correct opinion..let’s move over
369 Sandy
November 27th, 2009 at 12:41 am
@calm_incense (368):
I was paraquoting someone else from the night before; can’t be bothered to go find the specific post. Sorry.
@BravehisTickle (367): @BravehisTickle (369):
*posts a very trolllike post in reply to a post complaining about those posts, then immediately suggest the topic be dropped so as to be able to call the responders aggressive or persisitent for pointing it out*
I just wish more people would stop and ask themselves a few honest questions before posting that kind of stupid garbage that we’ve seen in this thread previously. Republicans don’t like killing innocents any more than Democrats want to live in Soviet Russia, and anyone with half a brain knows that. Similarly, though I disagree with him, I do believe Obama and his crew are doing what they think is right. I don’t even universally disagree with Obama, even.
There is no universally wrong party. If the Republicans were wrong about every. single. thing. and did not have any valid point whatsoever, they’d have been abolished a long time ago. Same with the Democrats. Politics is so messy precisely BECAUSE neither side is exactly right or exactly wrong. By refusing to acknowledge that the other side even has an argument, all you do is insult them and turn them off to your way of thinking. All it does is make you look stupid.
370 mhazwanrashid
November 27th, 2009 at 12:57 am
#9.is it true? :p
371 ♥ ♫ ☼ ♪ Londemoon ♥★™
November 27th, 2009 at 2:58 am
great article!
372 Bobby
November 27th, 2009 at 6:57 am
The Dems of pre 1960s were much different. In fact, they believed in eugenics(still do but keep it hidden)and were not in it for rights but for votes.
373 AWOL
November 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
FUCK AMERICA!! EXCEPT FOR RON PAUL AND HIS SUPPORTERS.
374 Dan
November 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Thanks AWOL that’s a very good and well-informed opinion you’ve got there but I’m going to have to disagree! What a shame we couldn’t have gotten along a bit better.
375 Jay
November 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Please don’t say anything conservative on this site or the liberals will mock you without actually bringing up anything of substance. I haven’t seen this pattern before…
376 Scratch
November 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
@Sandy (359):
Black Americans creating a separate organization just for black kids is not racist at all and isn’t even remotely related to segregated bathrooms. Black Americans have their own culture, and they should be able to celebrate it.
Having a black youth club does not enforce divisions. It teaches black youth about their history and culture and gives them positive role models.
If white children are only playing with white children and black children are only playing with black children then there is a problem in American society that goes far beyond any cultural clubs.
Cultural diversity should not be seen as a threat. The solution is not to repress diverse cultural expression or to create one cultural standard that all must embrace. In fact, it is those types of reactions that make communities more insular and less trusting of one another.
377 Sandy
November 27th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
@Scratch (377):
Cultural diversity? How exactly is having separate organizations for all the different minorities “diverse”? It’s the precise opposite of diverse. Walk into a black youth organization and tell me how much diversity you see. Here’s a hint: You’ll see none of it. That’s the whole point.
America has a “white” culture and a “black” culture and a “hispanic” culture and all the other “cultures.” Having all these separate cultures is not cultural diversity. Having one integrated culture that all are a part of, despite their differences – that’s cultural diversity.
I fail to see how everyone embracing a unified culture makes communities more insular. Just because you say it does, doesn’t make it true.
378 Woyzeck
November 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
@Sandy (378):
You can’t enforce that kind of diversity. The best you can do is allow these clubs to exist, but encourage them to accept other races as members. Refusing to let these clubs exist can cause nothing but ill-feeling.
379 Scratch
November 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
@Sandy (378):
I never said the membership of a cultural club would necessarily be diverse. You are completely misunderstanding me. Having cultural clubs allows youth to learn about and celebrate their culture. It does not mean, as you imply, that these youth will suddenly rebel against making friends outside of their own cultural group or that membership will be restricted to their cultural group.
Your seem to be suggesting that cultural diversity is one monolithic culture that overwhelms all differences. That is not diversity, that’s conformity. Diversity within a united America is what you should be aiming for, in my opinion. Differences as well as similarities should be celebrated.
When I say that enforcing one cultural standard makes communities more insular, I mean that a decision would have to be made about which culture within America represents the standard. Inevitably, this sort of cultural imperialism would result in minority communities feeling that their culture is not respected. This would make them suspicious of those trying to enforce the monolithic culture on them and make them turn inwards.
380 Sandy
November 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
@Scratch (380):
“…or that membership will be restricted to their cultural group.”
But the groups that are allowed in ARE restricted.
I object to the sentiment that children necessarily should be brought up only learning their own culture. Racism starts by misunderstanding – the white child who’s brought up knowing only other white children is going to be FAR more likely to dislike, say, a black child, the first time they meet. Conversely, the black child who’s stuck in exclusively-black groups, organizations, etc. aren’t going to have the same amount of normal interaction with children of other races. It creates an “us and them” mentality – and trust me, that is a VERY bad thing.
Look, I’m not talking about forcing anyone into a culture they’re not part of. I’m talking about incorporating their culture into, well, culture. The goal therein being inclusive, not insular.
381 marc t
November 27th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
to put obama on this list makes the list null and void. he is one of the worst americans there ever was. america hater and whitey hater. partisan extremist. never met a baby in the womb he wasn’t ok with killing. but other than that a man of great character.
382 Steelman
November 27th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
@WiseMenSay (200):
You’re quite correct, Bush did not have it as bad as Obama – he had it worse. Some he deserved, some he didn’t, but the mainstream media here in the states quite obviously belong to the democratic party, and for journalisms sake, that’s a damn shame.
383 Sandy
November 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
@Steelman (383):
That’s something very rarely appreciated. It’s not just a general feeling – every election, pollsters release statistics on the ratio of positive to negative stories about politicians. Republicans fare FAR worse.
384 Sandy
November 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
@marc t (382):
I’d just like to say that the rest of us aren’t quite that exaggerated about it. ^^;
385 marc t
November 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
no exaggeration sandy. truer words were never spoken
386 calm_incense
November 28th, 2009 at 12:21 am
@marc t (382):
Yes, Obama must have *really* hated his own mother.
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387 Scratch
November 28th, 2009 at 7:22 am
@Sandy (381):
Cultural clubs are not restricted.
You seem to think that the existence of a cultural club NECESSARILY means that those involved will have no other opportunities to interact with other groups. It does not.
I never said that children need to be brought up ONLY learning their culture. I think it’s important that children learn about their culture and the culture of other groups. I also think that it’s very important that children interact with other cultural groups.
That being said, there is absolutely nothing wrong with a cultural youth group. Nothing. It will only be negative if those who are in the group do not learn about other cultural groups and have no other opportunities to interact with other cultural groups.
Black American culture and Hispanic American culture are already incorporated into American culture. They are integral parts of the culture. A black youth group or an hispanic youth group will not change this.
388 marc t
November 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
i don’t care whether he hated his mother, calm, he hates white, christian, heterosexual males. and america because blacks are taught that america is such a racist country, even tho blacks are better off here than in any country in africa. and his wife too.
389 padre9396
November 28th, 2009 at 11:22 am
no “tear down this wall!”?
390 calm_incense
November 28th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
@marc t (388):
He hates whites even though he himself is half-white.
He hates Christians even though he himself is a Christian.
He hates heterosexuals even though he is a heterosexual.
He hates males even though he is a male.
He hates America even though he is an American.
Apparently Obama is quite the self-loather.
@padre9396 (389):
At the time, that speech received little media coverage, and the Soviets were unimpressed by it.
391 Yun
November 28th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@WiseMenSay (200): A lot of it is frustration by the right in this country, who are fed up with the media making President Obama out to be the second coming of Jesus, JFK, MLK, and Abraham Lincoln all rolled into one super-awesome package whose toenails we common folk are not worthy to lick.
Okay, that was hyperbole, but the frustration is real. There is a huge, and, in my opinion understandable, backlash against the deification of the President. The unhinged, downright libelous attacks on the previous president don’t help, either. (Lord knows I could easily write a list of “Things Barack Obama Has Done That Would Have Gotten George Bush Impeached.”) Nor does the American left’s propensity for attributing every single one of our beliefs to some form of irrational hatred.
Combine the frustration we already have with a president and congressional leadership who arrogantly believe than the last election was a mandate to swing the country further to the left than it ever has (it wasn’t), their insistence on pushing nation changing legislation through in the first year with next to no debate, and their repeated assertion that those who disagree with them only do so because of the color of the president’s skin, and the backlash is not only understandable, but inevitable.
In short: It’s less an anti-Obama sentiment as an anti-leftist/statist sentiment. President Obama just happens to be the most visible symbol of the things we hate about the left.
392 Yun
November 28th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
@WiseMenSay (200):
Also, if you think Obama is getting it worse than Bush, you haven’t been paying attention. For the last eight years, the Democrats have stood for nothing as consistently and unwaveringly as “George Bush is always wrong.” There’s a reason the phrase “Bush Derangement Syndrome” fell into popular use.
Concerning President Obama on the list: I agree with his inclusion. I was extremely proud on January 20, despite not having voted for the guy. Every day since then has been more painful than the last. Hopefully the next black presidential candidate will be judged on the content of his character and not by the color of his skin.
393 Sandy
November 28th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
@Yun (392):
A president judged on the content of his character? If it can’t happen to the last 50 white guys in office, it probably won’t happen to the first black guy, either.
394 marc t
November 28th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
sorry calm, but obama is not a christian. far from it. you can’t murder 55 million babies and still be a child of God. he also only identifies with being black even tho his white grandmother raised him (who he threw under the bus). although he is male he is not a man, he is a metro-sexual. and he is not an american. he is an african american. the two are not the same. african americans hate america because the race baiters like jesse jackass teach their young america has made no progress in race relations at all. where i live blacks are treated fairly and equally. he hates white christian hetero’s because they lead the fight against the extremist homo agenda who he needs politically. and what in the bible does he stand for. only what helps the black community. he is ok with stealing what belongs to me to give it to someone who didn’t earn it. and that my friend makes him a thief as well as a murderer and a racist. and lets not forget extremely incompetent. gonna bankrupt america.
395 calm_incense
November 28th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@Yun (391):
I’m sorry, but that is largely all in your head. The notion that all the media is deifying Obama as if he were some “messiah” is and has always been a facetious myth. You’re just trying to imagine yourself as the “heroic underdog”, to fulfill some psychological ego-oriented need, when in reality you’re just one of roughly half the entire nation who has ALWAYS believed Obama was overrated. Clearly, if nearly 50% of the nation thinks he’s overrated, this, by definition, cannot be so.
Secondly, conservatives for far too long have been downplaying hostile sentiment against Obama. They like to think that liberals and Democrats attacked Bush ceaselessly and for no reason, but no one in America, except for a few brave souls, will dare speak out against Obama. Utter bullshit. If you honestly can’t see an irrational hatred for Obama that has been seeping into the mainstream, you’re blind. People believe he hates America. He hates whites. He hates capitalism. He hates unborn babies. He hates Christians. These aren’t just the beliefs of the “fringe”; gullible everyday people have been led to believe this as well, themselves believing they are in on some kind of “secret” that casts them as the lone underdogs.
Lastly, I just have to laugh at this:
“Lord knows I could easily write a list of “Things Barack Obama Has Done That Would Have Gotten George Bush Impeached.”
George W. Bush is believed by many to have started an illegal war that resulted in over one million lost lives, including 3,000 American deaths. That doesn’t include the 3,000 Americans that died in a terrorist attack “on his watch”.
And yet he wasn’t impeached.
Are you saying Obama has done ten things more controversial than THAT?
I’m sorry, but had something like 9/11 occurred during Obama’s presidency, conservatives and Republicans would see to it that Obama get impeached in a heartbeat. Hell, plenty of conservatives and Republicans were calling for him to be impeached BEFORE HE WAS EVEN INAUGURATED. George W. Bush, meanwhile, enjoyed some of the highest approval ratings of any American president, particularly after 9/11. Don’t ever DARE say that Democrats and liberals didn’t give him a fair chance.
396 Scratch
November 28th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
@marc t (394):
sorry marc t, but you’re not literate. far from it. you can’t murder the language one thousand billion times and still be literate. you also only identify with being human even tho a developmentally challenged donkey raised you (who you pushed in front of a trolley). although you are male you are not a man, you are a pimply-faced adolescent. and you are not an american. you are a shitheaded american. the two are not the same. shitheaded americans hate themselves because of baters like you who teach them to look in the mirror for their jollies. where you live there is a library but you never use it. you hate asian atheist homos because they have a good sense of style and you don’t have any. and what in the grammar textbook do you stand for. only the parts that don’t deal with using correct punctuation (such as questions marks), syntax, sentence structure, and capitalization. you are ok with writing idiotic statements on the internet. and that my friend makes you an idiot as well as a fool and a clown. and lets not forget extremely incompetent. gonna type nonsense till you die.
397 calm_incense
November 28th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
@marc t (394):
*sigh*
When I read comments like these on the Internet, sometimes I don’t even know why I should bother. And yet, for some strange reason, I’m going to do you the kind courtesy of responding to every single one of your silly arguments.
“obama is not a christian. far from it. you can’t murder 55 million babies and still be a child of God.”
Are you familiar with the Son of God, who goes by the name of “Jesus Christ”, Marc? If so, perhaps you’re familiar with His teachings. You presumably consider yourself to be a Christian, which is great news! Because that means you’re well aware that Jesus Christ commanded men not to judge each other, and that GOD is the only righteous judge. As mankind is limited in wisdom, no man, not even you, Marc, can appropriately cast judgment on some else, particularly for something as bold as denouncing someone’s professed Christianity. Only if you are completely sinless may you cast your stone, and hell, if you are a sinless man, that pretty much renders Jesus Christ irrelevant, now doesn’t it?
Your call.
Oh, and never mind the fact that he’s taken absolutely ZERO legislative action regarding abortion. As far as actual LAW is concerned, he currently has the same record as Bush. But Obama still hates Christians.
“he also only identifies with being black even tho his white grandmother raised him (who he threw under the bus).”
I’d like to see your “evidence” for such a claim. Apparently the fact that just about EVERYONE in his administration is WHITE doesn’t matter much. I’m curious how quick you would be to disown half your family, because that is exactly what you are accusing Obama of doing. And not the half of his family that he had next to no contact with, but rather the half of his family that raised him his entire life. Interesting theory you’ve got there, Marc.
“although he is male he is not a man, he is a metro-sexual.”
Funny, he doesn’t talk quite like Perez Hilton. Nor does he have much of a hair-do. Nor have I ever seen him wear anything “trendier” than standard business attire, which, if I’m not mistaken, is more or less what every single other president in American history has worn. But no, there’s *something* different about Obama that makes him a metrosexual. I wonder what it is. Certainly it’s not because he’s young and in shape. That would be crazy. Ah, yes, it must be because he’s a basketball player! We all know how “girly” athletes are, after all.
“and he is not an american. he is an african american. the two are not the same. african americans hate america because the race baiters like jesse jackass teach their young america has made no progress in race relations at all. where i live blacks are treated fairly and equally.”
Yep, he hates America. That must be why he increased the defense budget and plans to send more troops to Afghanistan to fight Al Qaeda. Because he hates America.
“he hates white christian hetero’s because they lead the fight against the extremist homo agenda who he needs politically.”
Never mind the fact that he has taken absolutely ZERO legislative action regarding gay marriage. Not to mention his statement that he believes marriage is between a man and a wife. Nah, forget all those. Obama hates heterosexuals!!!
“and what in the bible does he stand for.”
Yes, because we all know the Bible only stands for opposing the liberal agenda. Love? Pfft, heaven has no room for such silly sentiments.
“only what helps the black community. he is ok with stealing what belongs to me to give it to someone who didn’t earn it. and that my friend makes him a thief as well as a murderer and a racist.”
Never mind that welfare has existed for decades. It’s only when *Obama* comes into office that welfare becomes an act of racial allegiance. Hm, I wonder *why*…
“and lets not forget extremely incompetent. gonna bankrupt america.”
Never mind that America was already bankrupted several years ago by the previous president. Nah, it’s still OBAMA’S fault. We didn’t start borrowing ANY money until Obama came into office!
Sandy and Yun, I’m hope you’re both happy. You guys have plenty of support from fellows like Marc here and will most likely get your way come 2012.
398 CastingCrowns
November 28th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Didn’t bother to read the rest of the comments, but let me say that while I dislike Barack Obama, I am proud to see a black president elected to office. It was an important barrier to break down.
399 marc t
November 28th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
scratch i can’t believe anyone as stupid and dumbass as you were allowed to attain adulthood. your mother should have aborted a worthless liberal fool like you. i spit on scum like you, poop for brains. and you to calm. you think you your so smart but your just a horses ass like all liberals. and after we lose this great country because of america haters like you and scratch his butt, history will blame people like you.
400 marc t
November 28th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
and calm you wouldn’t know a real christian if one bite you in the ass. and you don’t know what Jesus said because you follow the real God . your a liberal who makes it up to what pleases you. bite me scum. your revisionist history is well known. the worst thing bush did was try to get along with evilcrats. also remember freedom is not free. there is going to be another civil war in america between the evil side and conservatives. this country is too divided.
401 calm_incense
November 28th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
*sigh*
402 Scratch
November 29th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@marc t (399):
marc t i can’t believe anyone as intelligent and genius as you can’t form a coherent sentence. your parents should have put a semi-literate obsessive extremist like you in remedial school. i raise an eyebrow in absolute incredulity at ideologues like you, pee-pee head. you know you can’t form a comprehensible argument but you insist on typing nonsensical regurgitated conservative talk radio phraseology on the internet. and after you lose all of your marbles because you watched Rush Limbaugh one too many times, the psychiatrist will blame your obsession with liberals.
403 Sandy
November 29th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
@calm_incense (397):
Actually, calm, thanks for writing that. The only thing I hate worse than a liberal of that level of intelligence is a conservative of that intelligence. They make the rest of us look that stupid. It makes it easy for people of the other side to point and say ,”Oh, wow, this is what conservatives actually believe” when that’s so depressingly far from the truth I was tempted to make a similar post myself, had I not had only an hour of sleep the night before.
But please don’t try to use people like that as argumentative weapons against those of us with more reasoned opinions. You know perfectly well there were just as many, if not more, stupid and “semi-illiterate” arguments about how Bush hates babies and muslims and america and whatnot.
Yes, you can make any side look stupid by judging their dumbest members. That doesn’t help you nor does it help anyone else. It’s just kind of frustrating to see more ratonal arguments essentially ignored for the sake of debunking dumber ones.
404 Jiblets
November 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
The inclusion of Obama on this list is just absurd. Completely ridiculous.
405 Valkyrie
November 30th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Generally a good list, though I would have gone with the amendment abolishing slavery instead of the emancipation proclamation. Since the states were in rebellion, it didn’t actually DO anything, except in the most symbolic terms. Rebel states that had fallen to the Union or slave states that had aligned were not effected. How can you free slaves in a state when the state doesn’t accept you as an authority?
Excellent choice on the Louisiana purchase!
406 Cleveland
November 30th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I’m sick and tired of people being so joyous over having a black man in office. It’s just a color. Focus on his policies, not his skin. It’s ridiculous.
He’s half-white anyways :p
407 yeaaaaahhh
November 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
barack obama being elected president may be a big part of our history now… but it is most definitely not one of the greatest moments in our history
408 gnostic
December 1st, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Great moment: Obama. Who, other than his race? He is a dyed in the wool political animal with few principles, and a gerneral disdane for America’s principles. IF he was black and good, yes. Black andnot to great, but seen a great for symbolic reasons cares about race bfore his performance. that is racism n action.
409 Bones
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:54 am
#10 Yeah first black president great! That’s about the only good thing about it.
410 muwayiiddi
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
He is an exampler man who each leader around the World can bye his approach in serving the Community.
411 Sandy
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:46 am
He’s not even through his first year yet and he’s already at the top of the great-moments-in-US-history list.
That’s what frustrates me. History should be the judge of things like that.
412 Dewayne Wayne
December 2nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
I feel like Jesse Owen’s 1936 Olympic performance belongs on that list. Lets not forget that he basically shut hitler up.
413 calm_incense
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
@Sandy (411):
I’ll repeat myself:
The inclusion of Obama’s election has nothing to do with Obama in and of himself, or his policies. It’s about the symbolic ability of a nation of people to elect a racial minority to its highest office, an act more or less unprecedented in Europe and the rest of the world.
Aka, the inclusion of Obama’s victory has more to do with Americans as a people than Obama the person.
414 calm_incense
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Aka, even if Obama fucks up majorly, that doesn’t make his election victory any less significant, because IT’S NOT ABOUT HIM.
I really don’t know how many other ways I can repeat this.
415 Rorschachinstein
December 4th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I think this list had to much emphasis on race
416 Sandy
December 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
@Rorschachinstein (415):
Half the list was some kind of minority-relations thing.
It’s not that I don’t think that’s important. But there’s more to America than this.
417 dustyu
December 9th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Excellent list – Can’t say I disagree with any of your choices – might have put the in a different order – but?
418 Lucian
December 18th, 2009 at 1:35 am
While I would rather not admit it, I am a classical liberal, and since we dislike government programs, some of us likes to claim that the Marshall Plan was a purely financial fiasco. That the countries that were most helpful recovered slowest. That in the case of Germany, which was very Marshall aid, began the explosive recovery only after we started phased out assistance programs and deregulated economy.
419 MichaelAUS
January 6th, 2010 at 6:25 am
I think your lists are great but i think there was one big one you missed. ROE V WADE the case that went before your supreame court in which women we leagally protected to do what they want with there own bodies. I think that was a big one. thanks for the great list
420 htmrovs
January 10th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
MichaelAUS is as dead-wrong as are the mothers-to-be who kill their kids for convenience.
an uncharacteristically silly list. 100 years from now will an act of government such as the marshall plan be as significant as our first steps on the moon? this list misses the point: The moon was possible because of the first two items, the DofI and the Constitution…
421 Braden
January 17th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
We could have elected a black president with economic sense. This one either has none or is a tool. He can’t be stupid, in fact, he is pretty damned smart. But he has no economic sense and is carrying Bush’s spending and destruction of the Constitution to another level. That would have worked for this list.
422 nicoleredz3
January 19th, 2010 at 10:46 am
Impeccable list!
423 Jason
January 29th, 2010 at 4:33 am
This list is a farce. Obama is one of the worst things to have happened. He is destroying this country.
424 King Julien
February 1st, 2010 at 5:03 pm
My question in here is why Independence was a good act. 1. If 6 rich men from California (for example) convince their citizens to became independent from USA and the government will not have the force to stop them, even if California will be a more powerful, gifted and a superpower nation, how’s that a good thing?
People have the rights to aspire to freedom and to choose another way of life and mentality but means to cut from other country rights?
2. Why Lousiana affair is a great moment for a country? It sounds like a blackmail to me, France didn’t had the power to defend his territories so made a forced deal.
Number from deserves the place in this list, is a symbol.
425 ???
February 23rd, 2010 at 1:41 am
Obama’s election is one of the greatest moments in US history? Not inventing the airplane? Car? Television? Not winning World Wars I and II? Is Obama’s election really greater than saving Europe (twice), and defeating some of the most evil people to have ever existed? The Berlin airlift? Fall of the Soviet Union? Brown v. Board of Education? Really?
I guess I’m just one of those idiots who believes that America is greater than whoever is in charge at the time. Either that, or whoever wrote this is stupid.
426 katerz
February 24th, 2010 at 12:17 pm
Obama’s just another politician. What would be more stunning than any “race” of president is a female president…(and what to call the male equivalent of the First Lady?)
There are infinitely more awesome, amazing, miraculous moments in American history than some schmuck’s rise to power. The victory at Valley Forge, the ABSOLUTE turning point in the American Revolutionary War, was infinitely more important as well as momentous than President Obama. Who knows what would have happened if Washington and his men had not prevailed through the awful weather?
The “Little Ice Age,” as it has come to be known, was an insanely cold year, horrible for all agricultural pursuits, and it is overwhelmingly fortunate that they won the battle against the weather AND completely surprised the Red Coats & Hessians!
427 jrockstar
April 21st, 2010 at 8:56 am
Hmmm pretty good list but lets also remember how we freed so many people from opression and how our servicemen died so they could live free. i think the sacrifice of the american military is both the greatest and saddest achivement of the united states
428 reg dwight
May 3rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
after seeing #10 there is no point in reading the rest of this list. whoever put it together is a fool.
429 Sneaker_Pimp
May 16th, 2010 at 10:42 am
Half of the stuff that’s on this list is America fixing it’s own problems. You look at the WORST things this country has done, it’s considerably worse.
430 PalinFan
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:42 am
Obama a great moment? He is an embarassment to America.
431 PalinFan
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:46 am
You and Obama are jokes.
432 PalinFan
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 am
Well, I got a big laugh out of #10.
433 PalinFan
May 22nd, 2010 at 4:50 am
Thank you for posting this.
434 Morgan
May 26th, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Please be a troll.
435 rogerkni
June 8th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
#1: First line: "At the beginning of the month" — What month? Change to "June"
436 baxterRG
June 15th, 2010 at 7:13 am
That was 28 weeks ago. I bet you regret this comment now pal. Liberal idiots like you are the reason why the once great United States of America is falling apart and leading to the end of a once great nation as we know it.
437 baxterRG
June 15th, 2010 at 7:20 am
Really? You must watch to much CNN.
438 baxterRG
June 15th, 2010 at 7:25 am
If taxpayers dollars were spent more wisely, higher taxes would be unnecessary.
439 brGeddie
June 17th, 2010 at 1:55 am
So true, so true.
440 john
June 17th, 2010 at 11:18 pm
then get the hell out of here
441 Hi Mom
June 23rd, 2010 at 11:22 pm
better than Fox News. ( :
442 Hi Mom
June 23rd, 2010 at 11:31 pm
Some idiots electing George Bush twice as President!
443 Jol
July 5th, 2010 at 12:45 am
Obama being elected a great event? How about one the worst mistakes ever made? The events are proving him to be one of the incompetent presidents ever.
444 jon
July 5th, 2010 at 12:47 am
Like "idiot Obama"? That one's' being proven by his performance.
445 Jol
July 5th, 2010 at 12:50 am
Bet you're talking out your other ass now!
446 jol
July 5th, 2010 at 12:51 am
Is an idiot. Shown by his performance to date.
447 jol
July 5th, 2010 at 12:51 am
Do you want Obama? You can have him.
448 Nathan
July 9th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
I would say the important ones were done by Republicans
1, 3, and 5
449 Anonymous
July 13th, 2010 at 7:03 am
I only agree with 5 of these being positives.
450 Anonymous
July 13th, 2010 at 7:04 am
I mean 6, but going to the moon has had no real effect.