When FlameHorse sent this list in, I was rather surprised to find that after two and a half years, we have not features a list of greatest composers! We have had influential composers, composers you didn’t know, and composers who died odd deaths. So, filling in the gap we now present the greatest composers ever.
The father of the modern symphony and the inventor of the string quartet. He wrote 340 hours of music, more than any other composer. His symphonies, though, leave a lot to be desired, as he himself said on his deathbed, “I have just figured out how to use the winds.” They are more like 1 symphony with 103 variations.
He invented the string quartet when only three members of an ensemble were able to attend a recital. A violinist, a violist, and a cellist. Haydn quickly re-orchestrated one of his composition scheduled for that evening, for a quartet including himself as a second violinist. He liked the sound so much that he decided to write more music for the orchestration.
Also an outstanding opera, oratorio and mass composer, although his operas were intended for Count Esterhazy’s personal opera house. Haydn explained that they should never be performed anywhere else. His string quartets and piano sonatas approach the melodic genius and pristine formality of Mozart’s. Haydn’s greatest work: his cello concerto, or his “Creation” oratorio (clip above), or his string quartets.
Born in Germany, but traveled Europe and settled in England, as the king’s court composer. He wrote 315 hours of music, second only to Haydn for prolificness. His mastery of all the complexities of the Baroque style is evident in all his works. He invented the modern oratorio, when he wanted to make money during the holy seasons of the year. During those seasons, operas were expressly forbidden to be performed, as they were secular. Handel requested from the king that he compose a musical setting of some story in the Bible. The king allowed this, and Handel wrote in 1732, “Esther,” which was performed by an orchestra and a choir, with soloists singing the parts of the characters, but without acting or costumes.
Handel is known today primarily for “The Messiah,” (video above) the greatest oratorio ever composed, in which some of the most famous music in history lies, especially the “Hallelujah Chorus,” which ends the Easter section.
Handel also wrote hundreds of concerti grossi, which were the forerunners of the Classical and Romantic concerto.
Handel’s greatest works are the “Messiah,” “Water Music,” and “Music for the Royal Fireworks.”
One of the few composers who was equally virtuosic at performance (piano), and conducting an orchestra. He legendary for his second two, of four, piano concerti, the third being probably the most difficult and pianistic concerto every written, containing one of the finest piano cadenzas. He is known for writing large chords of up to 5 notes per hand, which he could perform easily with his gigantic hands.
His shorter works include large-scale piano sonatas, epic enough to be considered concerti without orchestras, and preludes, of which his most famous is the “Prelude in c-sharp minor,” a work which became so famous in his lifetime that he grew sick of playing it.
His greatest works are “the 2nd Piano Concerto,” “the 3rd Piano Concerto,” the “Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini,” (video above) and his sonatas.
One of the finest orchestrators, and one of the supreme melody writers in all of music. Not surprisingly, his favorite composer was Mozart, in honor of whom he wrote “Mozartiana,” an elaboration of several of Mozart’s melodies. Tchaikovsky is the all-time master of the ballet, and all of his are world-famous: the “Nutcracker,” “Swan Lake,” “Sleeping Beauty.” He wrote two operatic masterpieces, “Eugene Onegin,” and “The Queen of Spades.”
His ballets are well known for their melodic magnificence, but he also wrote 6 symphonies, the last three of which are universally accepted as legendary for the resplendent orchestration and development of their lyrical melodies. The fourth is also noted for the bombastic, violent, celebratory spirit of its final movement. The fifth is famous as an elaboration of this same spirit, culminating in a complex final movement of victorious, fanfare quality. The sixth is considered by many to be more affecting and better than the fifth or fourth. It is nicknamed “Pathetique,” for its somber, sad emotion.
Tchaikovsky was also a master of the concerto, and wrote three piano concerti, the first of which is one of the most famous in history, and one of the most superb for its hyper-Romantic, lyrical qualities, and the famous octave passages. Its first movement famously ends with a 1-4-1 cadence, unique to all music up to that time. His violin concerto is world renowned for its technical demands and lush, lyrical beauty. Joshua Bell has compared the final movement to running a three minute mile.
Tchaikovsky’s greatest works are his “1st Piano Concerto,” his “Violin Concerto,” his last three symphonies, his ballets, “Eugene Onegin,” the famous “Overture to 1812,” (finale video above – listen for the canons!) and “Capricio Italienne.”
The symphonist of death, you could call him. Mahler’s repertoire is quite small compared to that of any other on this list. He only wrote 10 symphonies, the last of which he had not orchestrated before he died. He wrote a symphonic song cycle, “Das Lied von der Erde,” which has been called his finest symphony, though he did not intend it to be considered one, and he wrote dozens of other songs, many preoccupied with death.
His first symphony is largely imitative of a more Classical sound, but his second begins the career of the Mahler everyone knows when they hear his music. It is nicknamed the Resurrection, and it’s final movement’s premiere was said to have made women pass out, and grown men weep. His third is the longest symphony ever written, at an average performance length of 1 hour and 30 minutes. It also ends with a majestic bravura climax.
His sixth is called the tragic, and returns to his roots of a preoccupation with death. The seventh is notable for its last movement, a fanfare extolling the happiness of life on Earth.
His eighth is nicknamed “Symphony of a Thousand,” though he hated this epithet, because of the monstrous orchestra it calls for. It is the only symphony scored entirely for orchestra and chorus, the chorus present in all but 12 minutes or so of its 1 hour and 20 minute duration.
It ends with the most glorious, heavenly, galactic climax in the history of music, as the characters of Goethe’s Faust sing the final scene, and are lifted to Heaven.
Das Lied von der Erde is a song cycle of 6 Chinese Poems praising Earth, which Mahler translated into German. They are the maturation of his compositional style.
Mahler’s greatest works are his 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th symphonies and “Das Lied von der Erde.” (video above).
Italy’s greatest opera composer. Verdi’s operatic output is staggering, with 28 operas, many of which contain arias that have made their ways into popular culture and become mainstays. His mature period produced “Nabucco,” “Ernani,” “Macbeth” (after Shakespeare),” “Luisa Miller,” “Rigoletto,” “Il Trovatore,” “La Traviata,” “Un Ballo in Maschera,” “Don Carlo,” his most famous work: “Aida,” “Otello,” and “Falstaff” (both after Shakespeare).
But his finest hour came with the “Messa di Requiem per Alessandro Manzoni.” Verdi, devoutly Catholic, composed in this, some of the most deeply religious, majestically glorious, and terrifying music ever heard. The most famous section, and rightly so, is the Dies Irae (video above), or Day of Anger, which depicts God’s wrath inflicted upon Mankind in Armageddon. This is the most furious incarnation of melody and harmony ever put on paper. The Tuba Mirum, which follows, is the loudest un-amplified music ever written. The score calls for a bass drum played “fffff,” five fortes.
Verdi’s greatest works are his mature operas and the “Requiem.”
Brahms was one of the finest craftsmen in music history, refusing to write retrogressions, and adhering very strictly to form. He wrote 2 piano concerti, of which the 2nd is the most titanic concerto for piano ever composed. It is not as technically difficult as Rachmaninov’s 3rd, but the piano is required to overpower the entire orchestra much of the way through, and this demands a Hercules at the keyboard.
He wrote 4 symphonies, all outstanding, a Requiem in German, his finest work, and one of the greatest violin concerti in history. He was a superb fugue composer.
His finest works are 2nd Piano Concerto, Variations on a Theme of Paganini (the same theme Rachmaninov chose), Variations on a Theme of Haydn, A German Requiem (video above “Denn alles Fleisch”), and his Violin Concerto.
The greatest pianist of all time. Liszt sightread Grieg’s Piano Concerto, playing it perfectly the first time he saw the music. He wrote hundreds of short pieces, songs, preludes, etudes, two piano concerti, symphonic poems, and was an al-around master of every genre in which he composed. Most of his piano works are among the most technically demanding, almost impossible, to play, but of note are his Transcendental Etudes, designed for the piano student to master all forms of piano performance. They are probably the most difficult pieces of music ever written for any instrument, and even veteran professionals refuse to play No. 5, “Feux Follets.” (video above)
If not the Transcendental Etudes, his Sonata in b minor is extraordinarily difficult to play. It is his finest composition.
The most idiomatic composer for the piano who ever lived. Chopin did not understand orchestration, which he freely admitted, and had help from friends, including Liszt, in scoring his two piano concerti. Even so, the orchestra takes a back seat while the piano indulges in the finest filigree work any composer has ever managed.
Chopin’s melodic genius is superlative in all respects, and he composed primarily short works piano works, of which the most notable are his ballades, etudes, sonatas, mazurkas, waltzes, nocturnes, preludes, and impromptus. Chopin was the most innovative composer for all of these genres except the sonata. His finest work is his Ballade No. 1, in g minor (video above).
The quintessential Romantic composer. His music is the most German sounding of all. He was a genius in all genres, producing masterpiece symphonies, especially his 3rd, nicknamed “the Rhenish,” for its triumphantly Bavarian quality, his chamber music, especially his Piano Quintet, a monument in the history of music, and his Piano Concerto in a minor, perhaps the finest ever written. His finest works are the Piano Quintet, and the Piano Concerto. He is also well regarded for his huge quantity of vocal music.
The greatest songwriter of all time, and the second greatest master of melodic, lyrical composition. Schubert had a natural mastery of all the forms of the day, but loved songs the most, and wrote them so quickly that as soon as he was finished with one, he threw it to the floor and grabbed another sheet of paper to start another. He wrote “Hark, Hark, the lark,” one of his finest, on the back of a beer hall receipt, in one sitting. He wrote approximately 650 songs in the sixteen years of his career.
His most famous work is his Piano Quintet, nicknamed the Trout, for the inclusion of one of his songs as a movement. He also wrote masses, 9 symphonies, of which the last two are universal brilliancies, sonatas, ballets, string quartets, and operas.
His finest works are his 8th and 9th symphonies, his Trout Quintet, ballet music to Rosamunde, Marche Militaire, and some of his songs, Gretchen at the Spinning Wheel, The Erl-King, and Nacht und Träume (video above) among them.
One of the most hateful and unpleasant people who ever walked the earth. Wagner despised Jews, and blamed all the problems of the world on them. But you can’t hold any of that against him when you hear his music. It transcends all the idiocy of the man himself. He only wrote operas, which he termed “music dramas.” But of them, his finest masterpieces are Tannhauser, Lohengrin, in which you’ll find the world famous “Here Comes the Bride” theme, Tristan und Isolde, which some consider his finest achievement, Die Meistersinger von Nurnberg, Parsifal, and his gargantuan four-opera cycle Der Ring des Nibelungen.
These last four operas are the single most famous masterpiece in opera history. Of the top ten longest operas, 7 are by Wagner. The average opera length is 3 hours. Gotterdamerung, the last of the Ring cycle, is 6 hours long. More importantly, Wagner invented the leitmotif, a very short melody which represents a character, emotion, event, or object. He revolutionized the art of opera, and operas are not written in any other style today except his, or the Classical style which preceded him. There has been no progress beyond him in operatic art. It has also been said that the art of filmmaking would be set back 500 years, had Wagner not existed. Film soundtracks owe their ability to enhance the story to Wagner alone, who owes his ability to the next composer, and almost all film composers, including John Williams, agree that Wagner is the greatest film composer in history. Films can be set to his music.
His finest work is probably Tristan und Isolde, but the Ring cycle could well be equal to it. Everything he wrote, from Tannhauser on (video above), could be his finest work. All his mature works are unparalleled in orchestration, and he is one of the very few opera composers who wrote his own libretti.
The inventor of Romantic music. Before him, all that could be said in music had been said (by the next two composers). Beethoven began his career by imitating the styles of Mozart and Haydn, and is considered the third greatest Classical composer after them. With his 3rd Symphony, nicknamed “Eroica,” and his 4th and 5th Piano Concerti, the world of music entered its Romantic Era, out of which it may not yet have emerged.
The advent of film required that Romantic music not be done away with, as the more modern music of Schoenberg, Berg, Webern, etc., was not suitable for the enhancement of drama. Thus, as film’s musical lineage goes directly back to Wagner, it goes back farther, to Beethoven, who influenced Wagner the most.
It was Beethoven’s temperament that created his finest, and most idiosyncratic works, among them his 3rd to 9th symphonies, his last three of five piano concerti, his violin concerto, the finest ever written, two masses, one of which is the Missa Solemnis, the second greatest mass ever written, his chamber music, especially his string quartets, the last 6 of which, the Late Quartets, are universally considered to be among the greatest musical works in history. Of these, Igor Stravinsky deemed the Grosse Fuge of the second to last quartet the greatest piece of music ever written. Beethoven’s 5th Symphony (video above) begins with the single most famous melody in music history. People who don’t even know who he was hum it every day.
Beethoven’s finest works are also the finest works of their kind in music history: the 9th Symphony, the 5th Piano Concerto, the Violin Concerto, the Late Quartets, and his Missa Solemnis, although this last work is not quite as glorious as a mass composed by #1 on this list.
And he achieved all this despite being completely deaf for the last 25 years or so of his life.
The most gifted musical genius in history, the most famous genius of any field in history, and the perfecter of Classical music. He wrote 41 symphonies, 27 piano concerti, a large amount of chamber music, 23 operas, 18 sonatas for piano, 36 for violin, for cello, church sonatas, organ pieces, 18 masses, including one Requiem, 4 horn concerti, 20 string quartets, serenades, divertimenti, and many others.
He was the supreme composer of melody and lyrical quality in music history. All other melodic composers aspired to his greatness, including Schubert, Chopin, Tchaikovsky, Saint-Saens, etc. He wrote his music in full orchestral scores, without corrections of any kind, until late in life when he was sick. His first drafts were his final drafts. His greatest works are all legendary, and cannot be listed entirely, but of them, his Requiem Mass, the greatest ever written, although he only finished half. The second half was finished by his pupil, Sussmayer. His last 20 symphonies or so, his last serenade, nicknamed Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, his 20th through 24th piano concerti, his 15th and 17th masses, in C Major and c minor, respectively, his 12 variations on Ah, vous dirais-je, Maman, which is commonly known as Twinkle Twinkle, Little Star, and there are many others.
It was because of his perfection of the Classical mode, that Beethoven decided not to imitate, but rather to create a new mode. Mozart’s work features, among other things, the finest balance between solo instruments and orchestra.
He was one of the finest pianists to ever live, and equally adept at the violin.
Probably his greatest single work, for its pristine clarity in all respects, is his opera Don Giovanni (video above).
The greatest composer of music who has ever lived. Bach did not invent any new styles of forms of music, but rather perfected every single one of them which existed in his day. He remains the all-time master of the fugue, a form which is so difficult to write that even Mozart and Beethoven, both of whom wrote fugal masterpieces, hated writing them. Bach, however, improvised fugues for 2 hours at a stretch, and then wrote them down from memory afterward.
Bach wrote universal masterpieces in every genre, including the 6 finest concerti grossi ever written, nicknamed the Brandenburg Concerti (clip above). He also wrote the finest single work of sacred music in history, the Mass in b minor, which has been argued by many musicologsts and composers to be the single greatest work of music of all time, in any genre, in any style.
Whereas, most composers did not typically relish complexity, Bach was at home in it. The Sanctus from his b minor Mass is a 6-part chorus, including a 4-voiced fugue. In the annals of fugal composition, no composer as ever attempted what Bach accomplished, and he did so without difficulty: his monumental Art of Fugue, which is a thorough examination of all the methods by which fugues are written. Using one theme, Bach explains in music all the possibilities of contrapuntal composition inherent in a single musical subject: the fugue, the double fugue, the triple fugue, the quadruple fugue, the stretto fugue, the mirror fugue, canonizing the fugues, etc. If you were to turn the scores of the two mirror fugues upside down and play them, they would sound the same.
He wrote in the Baroque style, but his music is as Romantic as anything Beethoven or Wagner or Schumann ever composed, and films can be set to it. He is the greatest of all composers, of all time, because of the intellectual depth of his music, the technical demand, and the artistic beauty.




















@fifthsonata (119): Brava! You’ve hit the nail directly on the head.
The classicists have so effected my musical taste that I can listen with rapture to much of World music, most especially much of the African tribal music and Caribbean music, the spiritual acapella from mid-east monasteries and nunnaries .
Beautiful music binds us all together. It is a language we all share. I remember riding with a cabby who had a tape playing, and I found it beautiful.
“What is that music?” I asked him.
“I am Muslim,” he replied, “that is praying”.
That answer was perfect.
aaawww… nice list…
@astraya (108):
My (91) says “I would have chosen…” denotes personal preference, astraya. I am – or rather was – a flautist and I generally found more enjoyable challenges from a CPE than from a JS Bach.
@Yawyack (107):
Nice. No list of composers can be complete without Johann Gambolputty-de-von-Ausfern-schplenden-schlitter-crass-cren-bon-fried-digger-dingle-dangle-dongle-dungle-burstein-von-knacker-thrasher-apple-banger-horowitz-ticolensic-grander-knotty-spelltinkle-grandlich-grumblemeyer-spelter-wasser-kurstlich-himble-eisenbahnwagen-guten-abend-bitte-ein-nürnburger-bratwürstel-gespurten-mitz-weimache-luber-hundsfut-gumeraber-schönendanker-kalbsfleisch-mittleraucher-von-Hautkopft of Ulm. Why is he always forgotten?
Where’s Shostakovich? Where’s Stravinsky?
Excellent list! Thank you! I have to say I have mixed feelings about Chopin, some of his work is absolutely beautiful. Some of it gives me a serious headache…
Doesn’t Beethoven’s music make plants grow faster?
i don’t believe mozart deserves to be higher than beethoven. i’d like to let you finish man, but beethoven was the most influential composer of all time! wagner and brahms both cited beethoven as prime influences (the former having an unhealthy obsession with the beeth’s) and his ninth symphony is essentially what ushered in the romantic period. mozart was of course a master of his time and is often associated with timeless music and form-mastery, but beethoven really did expand music and did not necessarily relegate his music to classical structure.
i’m also surprised debussy, stravinsky or schoenberg were not included.
but yeah, i guess there isn’t any set criteria for how the composers are placed and like easy said, music is pretty subjective…
This post makes me think of the movie, Mr. Holland’s Opus. I wonder if two generations from now, school children will know anything about these remarkable men. Sigh.
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At Christlike (14)
Come ON!
I mean the beatles is good, but composition-wise they not only wouldn’t exist without these ten, but they also aren’t even CLOSE to as good as these ten. Even popularity wise. Let’s see, what do people remember more, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star or Imagine by John Lennon? Well, Twinkle Twinkle Little Star! That was written by mozart. The “composers” that you named are no more than pop acts, where as these guys were revolutionizing music, and Bach especially deserves top spot.
I was lucky enough to work at Ravinia Park in Highland Park, Illinois for 10 years and to hear many of these performed by the Chicago Symphony Orchestra as well as many other pieces by them. It was a dream job. I also met many many people including YoYo Ma (sp?). I also played many works by these composers having played the flute for orchestra and band since I was 9.
gabi: Even if it’s your personal choice, the title is still “greatest composers of all time”. That means that the list can’t just be your (or anyone else’s) personal choice.
segue: The Two Ronnies did a brief skit of the first 30 seconds or so (up until the end of the first “Hallelujah” section).
bassbait: Mozart did not write that. Someone else wrote it and Mozard wrote a set of piano variations on it. And why is it so famous? How many people know it from Mozart and how many people know it from parents, grandparents, older siblings, kindergarten staff or the Disney corporation?
Vera: (envy!!!!)
I Think That Top Pick is Definately Bach! But I am also a huge Fan of Hyden and Mozart
Claudio Monteverdi is great too!
How Do I get people to read my blogs on wordpress?? im new to the whole thing!
What was with the chorus in the 1812 Overture, I’ve never heard that before and I’ve heard the overture countless times.
I think the main objection is that when people log on to Listverse, they expect the universal opinion ie. which seems the most appropriate and not any personal liking, but then I don’t support that theory else everything would be mighty boring eg. in case of ‘top 10 greatest boxers’- one generally expects Ali to be on the top, but Rocky Marciano was a good change- it makes people think on the subject and maintains the spirit of the quest for knowledge.
All I have to say is:
** Thank you flamehorse for your lists** Keep up the good work!
@ianz09 (104): Hey where is ur gravatar man,I wanna see you n your famous gun
Did anybody else hear the “clink-clink” sounds in the Verdi clip(10) at 1:35? What is that?
Just got a chance to read this. Nice list! Learned a bunch.
Thanks, everyone. This is actually a very old list I sent in, I think the first. This is a list I compiled after years of reflection, since I listen almost exclusively to Classical music. I’m working on some other stuff right now, which should be up in a few days, depending on how busy Christmas makes me.
I can’t make an educated comment on the list since I don’t know that much about classical music
This is no fault of the list – the fault is mine since I do like classical but haven’t taken the time to delve into it deeply.
I do know that one of my favorite pieces is Pachelbel’s Canon in D and was disappointed not to see Pachelbel on the list but again I do not have knowledge of Pachelbel’s body of work compared to names on the list.
And the other piece I really love is Rachmaninov’s “Rhapsody on a Theme of Paganini Op. 43, Variation XVIII” made famous I guess by the movie Somewhere in Time
I would love to be able to pick up a guitar, violin, piano, or anything and start playing some of these classical pieces.
Alas, with my lack of musical talent, the only instrument I can play is the radio.
@The boy from Troy (136): You made my day.
Thanks.
@The_Snowdog (141): Thanks for not dismissing it as “booooooooring.”
@General Tits Von Chodehoffen (139): Hey, I want to know if there are any videos of your band on youtube, can you share the link?
@bucslim (70): I can pull that off.
@the_snowdog
if you can play the radio, you are fully competent to play “imaginary landscape 4″ by john cage! it’s a piece for 12 radios.
@astraya (133):
The author of the list is flamehorse – NOT me – therefore I wasn’t subject any particular limitations of unbias within my own comment. Flamehorse compiled a list of some great composers and I liked what I saw. It was my *personal* opinion that JSBach is just meh and so I wrote that in my *personal* comment.
Yes, the title is Greatest Composers of All Time and I do believe any composer who played a heavy role in ushering in a new movement (as did CPE Bach) could be considered a Great.
Only really have a place for three in the genre in my heart – Beethoven, Wagner (music only – singing does my head in) and Stockhausen. Good list though. Taken me awhile to comment as I’ve played through all the clips.
Carole@52
He was also a bit of a dick to some of his friends. Neitzsche for instance. Still, nobody is all bad. Hitler made a mean lasagne.
Dear gabi,
Your first comment was “Well, regards to the list, I probably would’ve chosen CPE Bach over JS Bach”.
You were clearly referring to the list, not to your personal opinion.
Love and best wishes always from astraya
i think you should have included josquin deprez, the greatest renaissance composer ever. you forgot to include any renaissance composer by the way.
Dear astraya (149):
That was written that way because I started off way off-topic with the “…-centric” complaints of published list. I try my hardest to not completely disregard the list or the author’s work and so I stopped the “…-centric” babble and focused on the actual list by writing “Well, regards to the list” to segue into a new topic.
It WAS my personal opinion that was talking about THIS particular list rather than lists in general.
Hugs and kisses (but none in a form that would make your wife angry) from gabi
Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart – “The most gifted musical genius in history, the most famous genius of any field in history, and the perfecter of Classical music.” and his in 2nd place?!
Bad choice on top3
The right one would be like this :
3 – Bach
2 – Beethoven
1 – Mozart
lol @ the halleluja chorus it really made me laugh.
Seriously now this list should be named “top 15 greatest composers of cllasical music”, not of all time. There are great composers tha didn’t write classical music, like Dr.Dre for example.
It’s Georg Friedrich Händel, not George Frederick Handel!
that
lol @ shadydeathrow
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA OMG DUDE… -.-’
@Dan (156):
I think Dr. Dre would have been somewhere between Tchaikovsky and Wagner in terms of the brilliance of his composing.
Great list, but omitting Stravinsky is criminal. He was really the last composer of concert music (not classical music, classical is a period, not a genre) to create a widely felt and broad ranging revolution in composition. We have yet to see another composer of that caliber have the same influence.
Because of this list, I love classical music now! I;ve always wanted to be in orchestra (I play trombone), but now I even more so want to be!
But I still gotta keep my musical interests wide… I love everything from Mozart to Muse, Bach to Lady GaGa, the list goes on…
What is the name of the composer for Jurrasic Park he is amazing composer of Classical Music…. Can’t think og the name and I am too lazy to go onto IMDB right now to cehck it out….
I decided to overcome my laziness and look it up it is
John Williams amazing composer
John Williams is not a “great composer”, he’s an over-rated composer who stretched his creativity beyond the breaking point a decade ago. Everything he writes nowadays is derivative of previous works of his own and others. The same can be said for another popular one these days, Hans Zimmer. Danny Elfman is the best one out there right now. He has a style that is instantly recognizable, yet he has managed to consistently deliver new material.
At least as far as modern film composition goes, but that’s really all most people know these days aside from Mozart and Beethoven.
At least as far as contemporary composition goes, but that’s really all most people know these days aside from Mozart and Beethoven.
The is a great list with some good clips, but actually, Handel never became court composer after his arrival in England in 1711. The official position of Master of the King’s Musick was held by John Eccles until 1735, Maurice Greene until 1755 and then William Boyce until 1779, well after Handel’s death in 1759. In fact, Boyce was largely ignored by the time of his death in 1779 as King George III, under whom Boyce was Master, was so completely devoted to the music of Handel that Boyce was pretty much forced to write in a High Baroque style, not the Galant style that became popular in England around the 1770s or so.
Oh man, I LOVE classical music, so as soon as I saw this list on ListVerse’s front page yesterday on the train (on my iPhone), I KNEW I was going to have a doozy with this one, both with the list itself and the comments.
To preface, YES this list is OF COURSE going to be “biased”, by the very fact that both “music” and the criteria for what qualifies as “great” are inevitably subjective. If you’re “angry” about who are on or not on this list, or the ranking of this list, you need to GET OVER YOURSELF.
So, here’s my input:
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Intro:
Amen. I can’t believe it’s taken this long to have a “Greatest Composers of All Time” list. I’m pretty sure we’ve already had multiple lists for authors and directors. This list was long overdue.
Oh, and props for making this list have 15 entries. If people were already *****ing about THIS list missing their favorites, imagine how much moaning there would be with a TEN-entry list. -__-
15. Franz Joseph Haydn:
Interesting how you dismiss his symphonies, when they more or less are what he is best known for. I do, however, agree that his symphonies tend to sound the redundant, but then again, I think the same could be said of many composers: You can certainly tell when you’re listening to Chopin, Mozart, or Bach. I think it’s more that his symphonies just lack that extra oomph that would make them more worthwhile listens. The common sentiment seems to be: “Why listen to Haydn when you could listen to Mozart?”. Hehe, indeed.
14. George Frederick Handel
This guy’s music’s always seemed rather boring to me. Indeed, I do tend to view his music as “water music”, and not in the good way (ala Takemitsu, heh). And I tend not to care for choral works, so Hallelujah does nothing for me.
13. Sergei Rachmaninov
I was quite surprised to see him placed so low on the list. Perhaps even more surprised to see no mention of his four symphonies (one of them being his unnumbered choral symphony, “The Bells”), as well as his masterful symphonic poem, “The Isle of the Dead”.
But it is true that people seem not to go crazy over Rachmaninov the same way they go crazy over, say, Mahler or Tchaikovsky. I guess his stern music just leaves some a little cold. o.O
12. Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky
Tchaikovsky’s a tricky one. In some way I believe he is both overrated AND underrated – the former by his followers, the latter by his critics. His symphonies do nothing for me – they are MUCH too brash, loud, and blaring. It’s almost like I’m listening to Hans Zimmer (LOL). Meanwhile, “Nutcracker” is beautifully and exquisitely done, and of course his other ballets follow suite. His first piano concerto is entertaining, but his violin concerto bores me. Perhaps it’s just my recording (Semyon Bychkov, 1992), but “Eugene Onegin” does nothing for me. Much of his other “weepy” music is also too, for lack of a better word, “wimpy” for me.
11. Gustav Mahler
Glad to see him on the list, though his symphonies certainly do tend to invoke that “bleh” response from those not in the mood (myself included, no doubt). I actually prefer Bruckner to Mahler; even if his music wasn’t quite as inventive, it is certainly easier to swallow (albeit equally challenged when it comes to brevity, LOL). Mahler is definitely one of those composers of whom I appreciate more than I enjoy. My favorite of his symphonies would probably be his bookends – the first and the tenth.
10. Giuseppe Verdi
It’s funny, I simply don’t have ANYTHING by this guy. I’ve never been a big opera fan, but while I’ve got many operas from the likes of Puccini, Wagner, and a handful of non-exclusively-operatic composers, I’ve got nothing by Verdi. Ah, well. Perhaps after I get into Puccini.
9. Johannes Brahms
A fair inclusion. The common sentiment seems to be that his chamber music is easier to swallow than his symphonic works, and I do agree. I personally love his first piano concerto. The first movement of his German Requiem is beautiful, though I’ve yet to fully embrace the rest.
8. Franz Liszt
I was quite shocked to see Liszt placed so highly on this list, above the likes of Brahms and Mahler. Well, fair enough. His music seems rather one-dimensional to me, and relies almost ubiquitously on its aesthetics, but meh, his music certainly can be enjoyable if you’re in the mood. “Totentanz” certainly does rock harder than most rock bands.
7. Frederic Chopin
I was quite surprised to see Chopin rank so highly as well, although Chopin happens to be one of the composers whose music I most enjoy. Considering his lack of instrumental territory, I suppose you could say he didn’t do much, but what he did do, he did so greatly.
6. Robert Schumann
Now THIS one truly caught me off-guard as well. Schumann’s music has always struck me as rather stale and boring, which certainly isn’t what you’d expect given his history of mental instability. Perhaps the edgier composers of the High Romantic era spoiled me, and I can’t appreciate the subtler, more conservative nature of Schumann’s style. Ah, well. More on this later…
5. Franz Schubert
…like now. In the same way that Haydn strikes me as a less-exciting predecessor to a more innovative Mozart, Schubert has always struck me as a less-exciting predecessor to a more innovative Beethoven (the chain goes on, mind you). Of course, it is unfair to judge Schubert in the context of those who came after him, but what can ya do – life is unfair. As I’ve probably made clear multiple times in this post, I don’t care much for vocal music, so I can’t appreciate his lied.
4. Richard Wagner
A fair placement. As apathetic as I am for opera, his orchestral “incidental” music is absolutely stunning and engrossing. It’s a shame he didn’t write a couple of symphonies (he did indeed write a symphony, but it was a very early work, and likely not representative of the genius of his more mature years).
3. Ludwig van Beethoven
Well, the top three were a big “duh”. I do know that many consider Beethoven to be the greatest composer of all time, so his placement at number three was nonetheless still not *entirely* too predictable. Listening to his Große Fuge, I can’t help but feel like all the “innovation” of 20th-century Modernism (ala Stravinsky, Shostakovich, and co.) to be nothing more than a bastardized return to this 1826 work. [/*que *****storm*]
2. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart
Well, considering Mozart was either going to be No. 2 or No. 1, I was glad to see his placement at No. 2. It took me awhile to warm up to his light, “bouncy” style, but once I did, I appreciated the melodic depth and layered complexity of his works. Still, I can only listen to so much of him before they all start running together (not unlike lesser composers such as Vivaldi).
1. Johann Sebastian Bach
Fair enough. A safe choice to be sure. Bach’s music truly is unique among all peers, either historically contemporaneous or of any that would come to follow. His music beckons a very ethereal “spiritual” factor that I’ve not heard in the works of any other composer (occasionally hinted at by Hovhaness, though in a very different, and much less enthralling and engaging, way). I’m not a fan of all his works, but no composer’s music lights up the mood quite like Bach’s. A great alternative to the depressing melancholy of all the Romanticists.
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Now, for the fun part:
@christlike (14):
“This list should specify “Classical Music Composers”. There are a lot of other music composers of other types of music that are considered brilliant such as: Stevie Wonder, Prince, Charlie Parker, T.Monk, John Lennon,etc. This is a list for snobs.”
Sorry, but none of those individuals belong on this list. Furthermore, this list is sufficiently titled.
@Bakken (16):
“Where in the hell is Edward Grieg??????? Should be atleast top 5. But not even on the list??”
Where in the hell is he? Not on this list, and that’s exactly where he belongs. Top 5? He’d be lucky to make the top 20.
@Secillic (18):
“I think John Cage should have been thrown in there at some point.”
Why? For variety? Cage was more of a music philosopher than a composer. I don’t really see how someone who relied on aleatoric music could be considered a greater compose than the likes of Ravel and Dvořák. -_-
@Arsnl (27):
“hey but what about pierre boulez. In a list with 15 i was pretty sure boulez would make it. It would have given this list some originality.”
What’s more important? Giving the list “originality”, or making it ACCURATE?
@The boy from Troy (29):
“Hoo boy, no Indian composer here- seriously, hasn’t any of you heard Indian music? like ever? Lez see how much interest that list would generate- about Indian composers.. bet people would say- how boring, who wants to know about India.”
Drowning in a river of self-pity, much? Geeze.
@oouchan (42):
“Wonder if John Williams has a place among these great composers?”
Hopefully not.
@filipinoknight (43):
“And also it should say classic composers, because you have modern day composers such as Williams, Horner, and Shore.”
Ugh, no. This list is perfectly adequately titled. What have any of those composers done that hadn’t already been done before?
@FamousAmos (47):
“Danny Elfman? Come on, the opening to Men In Black is brilliant!”
I enjoy Elfman’s music as much as the next guy (Pee-Wee’s Big Adventure, Beetlejuice, and Batman Returns are all delicious), but he doesn’t belong here. Maybe if his entire scores were as interesting as his main titles, he’d have a shot, if not for ear-candy alone.
@Karl (48):
“This list is so inaccurate. As a lover of classical music I think that Bach shouldn’t be on top of the list because he’s too average.”
“Average”? Who ELSE wrote music that sounded even REMOTELY like Bach’s?
“Why not we make a Top 25 Greatest Composers list???? That would be much better.”
Well, gee, you know what? Why not make a Top 50 Greatest Composers List????? That would be SO much better. Or, wait a minute, I just got a BRILLIANT idea! Why not make a Top 100 Composers List?!?! OH MY GOD MY GENIUS IS TOO MUCH!!!!
@El the erf (49):
I HIGHLY enjoy Indonesian gamelan. But can you really say any individual gamelan composer was more talented than, say, Wagner or Beethoven?
“Anyway, if it was for me to compose this list, Hans Zimmer would take the top spot hands down.”
Er…interesting.
@Stevezio (55):
“Missing is Roger Waters at #1″
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@Cubone (57):
“you forgot John Williams”
I’m pretty sure he didn’t.
@annebonannie (61):
“Title should have read “Top 15 Greatest WESTERN Composers of all Time”.”
Who would you say are some specific Eastern composers that belong in these ranks?
@ianz09 (73):
I’m curious to hear it, though I can’t help but expect for it to suck. I’m disappointed Serj didn’t even do his own orchestral arrangements – how lazy is that? At least Matthew Bellamy, as disappointing as his album was, did his own orchestral arrangements for Muse’s “The Resistance”.
@Dan (152):
“Bad choice on top3
The right one would be like this :
3 – Bach
2 – Beethoven
1 – Mozart”
“Bad choice”, even though they’re the exact same choices as yours, just in a slightly different order? Wow, talking about someone being full of himself.
@shadydeathrow (153):
“There are great composers tha didn’t write classical music, like Dr.Dre for example.”
If you really believe Dr. Dre belongs in the company of the composers on this list, you really don’t understand classical music. At all.
@GaRipper (162):
Interesting comment. I do agree, to an extent, though I haven’t hard enough recent film music to know whether to truly agree or disagree. I do know that Elfman’s main titles for Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was rather stunning (not to mention, the songs were pretty damn good as well). Williams certainly has become rather boring, for me at last. I can’t even listen to his 70s scores, simply because pop culture has become too inundated with them. I got sick of the Star Wars main title a LONG time ago, and now I can’t even listen to his entire scores for the saga, because the overly-familiar parts ruin the rest of the experience for me. Ditto for Indiana Jones and the like.
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*whew*
@calm_incense (166)
When I write my Master’s thesis I will be doing it on John Williams and his penchant for recycling. His music provides me with a lot of entertainment, not for the complexity or grandiosity, but because i enjoy identifying other scores he has reused. just the other day I was watching to Jurassic Park, and the slow menacing motif he uses in that film is almost exactly the spaceship communication motif from Close Encounters of the Third Kind.
@calm_incense (166):
That is one thorough comment.
@GaRipper (167):
Certainly. Though, I do appreciate that he has more recently made efforts to step out of that mold. Memoirs of a Geisha and War of the Worlds, albeit nothing new or innovative, were at least different directions for himself as a composer. Certainly the first time I remember getting déjà vu due to Williams was when listening to the beginning of the fourth movement of Dvořák’s ninth symphony, which struck me as a much more interesting “rendition” of Jaws, although I cannot say with any certainty whether or not it was from where the motif was actually derived.
Then again, the brassy major theme of that same movement seems to foreshadow a plethora of similarly-sounding swashbuckling pirate film scores to come, so certainly Williams isn’t alone in his recycling.
@calm_incense (166): That must be some train ride!
Love the comments, btw.
@segues (170):
Lol, I was on the train yesterday, and I postponed writing my comment until today. There’s no way I could write all that on my iPhone. ^_^
Aaron (135) I have heard the 1812 Overture many times (they do it at Ravinia Park every 4th of July) and thats the way it’s played. I don’t know what version you’ve heard, but that part is always played. Its a portrayal of the war. Its battling anthems.
(Hit enter too soon.) The French and Russian.
i’ve been a quiet fan of classical music for a small amount of time, though i can’t really play any intstruments. i think this list is pretty damn good. i casually skim over as many comments as i can stand so i sound somewhat intelligent.
the problem with people who comment on lists they know very little about is that they just come across as ignorant. I AM ABOUT TO MAKE MYSELF SOUND IGNORANT. you have been warned.
i enjoy pachelbel’s canon but he’s a classical “one hit wonder”. as far as i’m concerned the same can be said for vivaldi. he was (i believe) a priest/clergyman of some kind of and a virtuoso on violin but i can’t name a thing of his except the four seasons, and i doubt anything else is much different.
again, i can name very few pieces by grieg, yeah the march of the mountain king is cool but what else can you name?, or wagner, i know he has ridiculously long operas but i doubt most of it is all that enjoyable. ride of the valkyries is one of the most overused classical pieces ever.
i’ve always thought of bach (j.s.) as a bit of a mature adult perfectionist to mozart being a petulant child with more talent but a wild streak. bach’s pieces are perfection but i find them less enjoyable because of that. i think a lot of mozart’s pieces take chances others wouldn’t have.
again, all lists are subjective but i think this list is quite good. and personally i can’t listen to any of chopin’s pieces, there’s just too much going on at once that sounds the same.
@john m (174): Well, you DID warn us.
@calm_incense (171):…and here I was being all awed by your adeptness with the phone’s keypad!
LOL!
You know what they say about pianists with gigantic hands?
Yep…large chords.
Finally checked though the posts and I fear I am the only one with love for the mighty Stockhausen. Oh well.
Pretty much agree with the list, altough I believe Debussy should have been included in it.
I’ve loved classical music all my life.What is sad is that with some of the very great, only the least of their works are popular.For instance Schubert.To me he is on the level of Bach and for romantic songs Number One, indeed as said above, the greatest songwriter of all times.But even educated people seem to know only his “Unfished symphony” or “Ave Maria” works wich in my opinion are not that great.But most of his songs are realy heavenly f.i. listen at “Auf dem Strom”(On the Stream)performed by the English tenor Ian Bostridge (EMI classics)or his chamber music (piano sonatas and quartets).
Wagner greatest works are also little known f.i. the miraculous “Siegfried Idyl” a symphonic work.
I particularly like the scene in the forrest when the little bird speaks to Siegfried in “The Ring- Siegfried”.Of course I can also understand that to sit trough an opera that last four hours can be a very tiresome ordeal!
@calm_incense (169)
I agree with you about Williams not being the only one who recycles. Hans Zimmer’s scores for the Pirates movies all harken back to older pieces; there are strains lifted directly from his scores for Gladiator and the Lion King, not to mention works from the 19th and early 20th century. I think part of it is not so much that they are “plagiarizing” other’s works as being influenced; they probably have heard it before and it stuck in their heads. Howard Shore came to my high school and actually talked about that, and he said they usually don’t notice until someone points it out to them.
I think one reason why Danny Elfman doesn’t repeat so much as the others is that he doesn’t have an actual formal training in music. He still manages to go back and cover old ground sometimes, but it’s only brief moments. He knows his stuff, that’s for sure; using the theme from Gone With the Wind for one section in The Corpse Bride was absolutely hilarious.
Excellent list. No Josquin or Palestrina? They’re certainly as significant as several of these figures.