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		<title>By: Mr Ed</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mr Ed]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep JS is No 1, a genius.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep JS is No 1, a genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Francisco F</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Francisco F]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2012 19:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where the hell is Vivaldi????????!!!!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where the hell is Vivaldi????????!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: le sheriff</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[le sheriff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2012 19:20:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I  liked the list (if not the selections inbedded).

Beethoven is MY man too.

If we are to talk productivity and influence beyond the 19th century, I woud definitively include my &#039;modern times&#039; fave, Irving Berin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I  liked the list (if not the selections inbedded).</p>
<p>Beethoven is MY man too.</p>
<p>If we are to talk productivity and influence beyond the 19th century, I woud definitively include my &#8216;modern times&#8217; fave, Irving Berin.</p>
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		<title>By: peter8172</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter8172]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 04:17:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ glazar, You have definitely hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Beethoven&#039;s ODD numbered symphonies 3, 5, 7, 9 (and for good measure, I&#039;ll also say his 6th). His 3rd was the one that had everyone in Europe abuzz. The average length of a symphony albeit to that time was around 25-30 minutes max. But then comes Beethoven&#039;s 3rd at 50-55 minutes in length and WOWED the audience and the public. Plus the story of how he dedicated the symphony to Napoleon and when Napoleon proclaimed himself Emperor, Beethoven went into a rage of anger and scrawled out his name on the opening page. There is a list here on LISTVERSE called &quot;7 Classical Piano Duels&quot; and 3 of them concerned Beethoven and these poor saps who were jealous of him and thought that they could beat him in a piano duel. Another thing that I learned about Beethoven was that his &quot;sight-reading&quot; of music was unequaled in history. He could look at a piece of music for a couple of minutes and not only play it, but improvise on it for over half-an-hour. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ glazar, You have definitely hit the nail on the head when you mentioned Beethoven&#8217;s ODD numbered symphonies 3, 5, 7, 9 (and for good measure, I&#8217;ll also say his 6th). His 3rd was the one that had everyone in Europe abuzz. The average length of a symphony albeit to that time was around 25-30 minutes max. But then comes Beethoven&#8217;s 3rd at 50-55 minutes in length and WOWED the audience and the public. Plus the story of how he dedicated the symphony to Napoleon and when Napoleon proclaimed himself Emperor, Beethoven went into a rage of anger and scrawled out his name on the opening page. There is a list here on LISTVERSE called &#8220;7 Classical Piano Duels&#8221; and 3 of them concerned Beethoven and these poor saps who were jealous of him and thought that they could beat him in a piano duel. Another thing that I learned about Beethoven was that his &#8220;sight-reading&#8221; of music was unequaled in history. He could look at a piece of music for a couple of minutes and not only play it, but improvise on it for over half-an-hour.</p>
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		<title>By: peter8172</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jan 2012 03:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Greatest Composers should be categorized by the different types of classical music that have been and are composed today. Let me give you my opinionated list : 1). SYMPHONIES ; LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN, no question, 2). SONGS or LIEDERS ; FRANZ PETER SCHUBERT and GUSTAV MAHLER (HONORABLE MENTION, GEORGE GERSHWIN), 3). OPERA : RICHARD WAGNER, undoubtedly, 4). STRING QUARTETS ; AGAIN LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN, 4). CANTATAS ; JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, 5). MUSIC FOR JUST THE PIANO ; FREDERIC CHOPIN, FRANZ LISZT AND ALEXANDER SCRIABIN, 6). MUSIC FOR THE HARPSICHORD ; FRANCOIS COUPERIN, 7). MUSIC FOR THE ORGAN ; AGAIN, JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, 8). MODERN 20th CENTURY MUSIC ; IGOR STRAVINSKY, 9). OPERETTAS ; FRANZ LEHAR, 10). VIOLIN CONCERTOS (DESPITE THAT HE ONLY COMPOSED ONE) ;  JOHANNES BRAHMS, 11). PIANO CONCERTOS ; AGAIN LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN and JOHANNES BRAHMS, 12). WALTZES ; THE STRAUSS FAMILY (not to be confused with RICHARD STRAUSS as they were not related) and FRANZ VON SUPPE, 13). CELLO CONCERTOS ; ANTONIN DVORAK and SIR EDWARD ELGAR (and when listening to their Cello Concertos, make sure that they are being performed by the late and legendary cellist Jacqueline De Pre), 14) Just for fun, the most depressing piece of music ever composed PETER I. TCHAIKOVSKY&#039;S, SYMPHONY # 6, 15). GREATEST OPERA LIBRETTOS EVER WRITTEN ; AGAIN RICHARD WAGNER, WHY ? BECAUSE HE WROTE HIS OWN LIBRETTOS AND DID NOT HAVE A LIBRETTIST. 16). GREATEST CONDUCTOR EVER ? : YOU CHOOSE !! and finally 17). THE GREATEST COMPOSER WHOEVER LIVED ; JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH. WHY ? ITS NOT JUST HIS MUSIC ITSELF, ITS ALSO THE MATHEMATICAL  PERFECTION OF HIS COMPOSITIONS. There are only two things that come to my mind when it comes to Bach, composing incredible music and making babies (he had 21 children in all). ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Greatest Composers should be categorized by the different types of classical music that have been and are composed today. Let me give you my opinionated list : 1). SYMPHONIES ; LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN, no question, 2). SONGS or LIEDERS ; FRANZ PETER SCHUBERT and GUSTAV MAHLER (HONORABLE MENTION, GEORGE GERSHWIN), 3). OPERA : RICHARD WAGNER, undoubtedly, 4). STRING QUARTETS ; AGAIN LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN, 4). CANTATAS ; JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, 5). MUSIC FOR JUST THE PIANO ; FREDERIC CHOPIN, FRANZ LISZT AND ALEXANDER SCRIABIN, 6). MUSIC FOR THE HARPSICHORD ; FRANCOIS COUPERIN, 7). MUSIC FOR THE ORGAN ; AGAIN, JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH, 8). MODERN 20th CENTURY MUSIC ; IGOR STRAVINSKY, 9). OPERETTAS ; FRANZ LEHAR, 10). VIOLIN CONCERTOS (DESPITE THAT HE ONLY COMPOSED ONE) ;  JOHANNES BRAHMS, 11). PIANO CONCERTOS ; AGAIN LUDWIG VAN BEETHOVEN and JOHANNES BRAHMS, 12). WALTZES ; THE STRAUSS FAMILY (not to be confused with RICHARD STRAUSS as they were not related) and FRANZ VON SUPPE, 13). CELLO CONCERTOS ; ANTONIN DVORAK and SIR EDWARD ELGAR (and when listening to their Cello Concertos, make sure that they are being performed by the late and legendary cellist Jacqueline De Pre), 14) Just for fun, the most depressing piece of music ever composed PETER I. TCHAIKOVSKY&#8217;S, SYMPHONY # 6, 15). GREATEST OPERA LIBRETTOS EVER WRITTEN ; AGAIN RICHARD WAGNER, WHY ? BECAUSE HE WROTE HIS OWN LIBRETTOS AND DID NOT HAVE A LIBRETTIST. 16). GREATEST CONDUCTOR EVER ? : YOU CHOOSE !! and finally 17). THE GREATEST COMPOSER WHOEVER LIVED ; JOHANN SEBASTIAN BACH. WHY ? ITS NOT JUST HIS MUSIC ITSELF, ITS ALSO THE MATHEMATICAL  PERFECTION OF HIS COMPOSITIONS. There are only two things that come to my mind when it comes to Bach, composing incredible music and making babies (he had 21 children in all).</p>
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		<title>By: glazar</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[glazar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2012 23:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s clear that the compiler of this list 

knows very little about music, or indeed 

about reality.  It&#039;s absurd to claim that 

such a complex thing as evaluating the work 

of composers, many of whom were amongst the 

most complex and intelligent men who ever 

lived, can be reduced to an ordered list.

The most one can hope to do is to list those 

you personally admire.

It&#039;s also absurd for people to argue that 

Bach was &quot;better&quot; than Beethoven, or vice 

versa.  Both were giants, as indeed was 

Mozart.

My personal list of favourites would reverse 

the order here, not because I think 

Beethoven was more talented than the other 

two, but because I like his music more.  He 

may not have been a better speaker than 

Mozart or Bach, but he had more to say.  He 

was a more complex man, and a more powerful 

personality, and his music was more 

ambitious in its scope and in its depth than 

that of the other two.

The string quartets, the odd-numbered 

symphonies (3.5.7,9), Fidelio, the Missa 

Solemnis, the violin concerto, the 

Hammerklavier, and the 4th piano concerto 

are works of great power and utter magic, 

and are imbued with a fire and depth that 

the stolid Bach and frivolous Mozart could 

not, and did not, match.

Coming to the other two, you cannot 

appreciate the genius of Mozart&#039;s music 

without knowing his operas, which are only 

approached (and not surpassed) by those of 

Verdi, who in my view should be number 4 on 

this list. He wrote some attractive 

concertos, but the symphonies (like Haydn&#039;s) 

are pale shadows of those of Beethoven and 

the Romantics.  

A lot has been said already about Bach.  His 

music was indeed close to perfect, often 

profound, musically complex but also 

accessible.  With Beethoven&#039;s temperament, 

he might have equalled or surpassed 

Beethoven, but he was content to take what 

was there, and perfect it.  He was not a 

great innovator.

I have mentioned Verdi, but Handel too 

should have been much higher up the list.  

The complier is clearly not a great admirer 

of opera, but he can&#039;t deny that many of our 

greatest composers worked in that medium.

The inclusion of Schumann and Liszt is 

quirky.  Chopin deserves his place, because 

although a one-trick pony, what he did was 

superlative. 

Those who mention some modern film-score 

composers, or pop-musicians, need to listen 

to more music.  Proper music.

Thank you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear that the compiler of this list </p>
<p>knows very little about music, or indeed </p>
<p>about reality.  It&#8217;s absurd to claim that </p>
<p>such a complex thing as evaluating the work </p>
<p>of composers, many of whom were amongst the </p>
<p>most complex and intelligent men who ever </p>
<p>lived, can be reduced to an ordered list.</p>
<p>The most one can hope to do is to list those </p>
<p>you personally admire.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also absurd for people to argue that </p>
<p>Bach was &#8220;better&#8221; than Beethoven, or vice </p>
<p>versa.  Both were giants, as indeed was </p>
<p>Mozart.</p>
<p>My personal list of favourites would reverse </p>
<p>the order here, not because I think </p>
<p>Beethoven was more talented than the other </p>
<p>two, but because I like his music more.  He </p>
<p>may not have been a better speaker than </p>
<p>Mozart or Bach, but he had more to say.  He </p>
<p>was a more complex man, and a more powerful </p>
<p>personality, and his music was more </p>
<p>ambitious in its scope and in its depth than </p>
<p>that of the other two.</p>
<p>The string quartets, the odd-numbered </p>
<p>symphonies (3.5.7,9), Fidelio, the Missa </p>
<p>Solemnis, the violin concerto, the </p>
<p>Hammerklavier, and the 4th piano concerto </p>
<p>are works of great power and utter magic, </p>
<p>and are imbued with a fire and depth that </p>
<p>the stolid Bach and frivolous Mozart could </p>
<p>not, and did not, match.</p>
<p>Coming to the other two, you cannot </p>
<p>appreciate the genius of Mozart&#8217;s music </p>
<p>without knowing his operas, which are only </p>
<p>approached (and not surpassed) by those of </p>
<p>Verdi, who in my view should be number 4 on </p>
<p>this list. He wrote some attractive </p>
<p>concertos, but the symphonies (like Haydn&#8217;s) </p>
<p>are pale shadows of those of Beethoven and </p>
<p>the Romantics.  </p>
<p>A lot has been said already about Bach.  His </p>
<p>music was indeed close to perfect, often </p>
<p>profound, musically complex but also </p>
<p>accessible.  With Beethoven&#8217;s temperament, </p>
<p>he might have equalled or surpassed </p>
<p>Beethoven, but he was content to take what </p>
<p>was there, and perfect it.  He was not a </p>
<p>great innovator.</p>
<p>I have mentioned Verdi, but Handel too </p>
<p>should have been much higher up the list.  </p>
<p>The complier is clearly not a great admirer </p>
<p>of opera, but he can&#8217;t deny that many of our </p>
<p>greatest composers worked in that medium.</p>
<p>The inclusion of Schumann and Liszt is </p>
<p>quirky.  Chopin deserves his place, because </p>
<p>although a one-trick pony, what he did was </p>
<p>superlative. </p>
<p>Those who mention some modern film-score </p>
<p>composers, or pop-musicians, need to listen </p>
<p>to more music.  Proper music.</p>
<p>Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: The Bach 5</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Bach 5]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Bach Five says: BACH IS AMAZING!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Bach Five says: BACH IS AMAZING!</p>
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		<title>By: Borsoo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Borsoo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jan 2012 03:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Where is Vivaldi?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where is Vivaldi?</p>
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		<title>By: bob jacobson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bob jacobson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 01:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yeah 
gershwin at least should have made it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah<br />
gershwin at least should have made it!</p>
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		<title>By: peter8172</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peter8172]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jan 2012 00:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ dizit : Yes you are absolutely right and I humbly apologize for my faux pas. It just so happens that my father was a classically trained Pianist and studied part-time at the Longey School of Music on the campus of Harvard. I got together with him today and asked him about it and the 3 compositions that I mentioned. He said the exact same thing that the piano had not been invented yet and that those 3 compositions were composed on the Harpsichord and then transcribed onto the piano. But as far as Bach is concerned, I also have to agree that he was the greatest composer whoever lived and I base it on his mathematical precision. There is a list on here called &quot;7 Great Piano Duels&quot;. 3 of them concerned Beethoven, 1 was with Liszt, 1 was with Mozart, 1 was with Scriabin. But read the 1 concerning Bach. I think that you will find it amusing. Again, I apologize for jumping the gun. I seem to learn something new everyday when I go on to this website. Thank You for correcting me. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ dizit : Yes you are absolutely right and I humbly apologize for my faux pas. It just so happens that my father was a classically trained Pianist and studied part-time at the Longey School of Music on the campus of Harvard. I got together with him today and asked him about it and the 3 compositions that I mentioned. He said the exact same thing that the piano had not been invented yet and that those 3 compositions were composed on the Harpsichord and then transcribed onto the piano. But as far as Bach is concerned, I also have to agree that he was the greatest composer whoever lived and I base it on his mathematical precision. There is a list on here called &#8220;7 Great Piano Duels&#8221;. 3 of them concerned Beethoven, 1 was with Liszt, 1 was with Mozart, 1 was with Scriabin. But read the 1 concerning Bach. I think that you will find it amusing. Again, I apologize for jumping the gun. I seem to learn something new everyday when I go on to this website. Thank You for correcting me.</p>
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