10 Most Decisive Ancient Battles
Published on July 31, 2008 - 130 Comments
Everyone loves a good tale of battles and blood - which is clearly evidenced by the plethora of movies and movie scenes based on them. In this list, instead of just looking at great battles based on numbers or deaths, we are looking at battles that were strategically important or changed the methods of warfare. This list only includes battles from before the time of Christ. Later battles will be the subject of a future list. I have generally avoided describing the actual events of the battles in order to present the overall historical impact. You can use the “source” links to read more on each battle. This list contains a competition - read more at the bottom of the list.
The Battle of Carrhae in 53 BC was a decisive victory for the Parthian Spahbod Surena (try saying that 10 times fast!) over the Roman general Crassus near the town of Carrhae (now the present-day ruins of Harran, Turkey). A Parthian force of 1,000 cataphracts and 9,000 horse archers under general Surena met the Romans at Carrhae. Crassus’ cavalry was screening ahead of the main force when they were engaged by the cataphracts, and the weapons his cavalry employed were not capable of piercing the cataphracts armor. His cavalry was soon surrounded and routed, and his son Publius killed. Rome was humiliated by this defeat, and this was made even worse by the fact that the Parthians had captured several Legionary Eagles. It is also mentioned by Plutarch that the Parthians found the Roman prisoner of war that resembled Crassus the most, dressed him as a woman and paraded him through Parthia for all to see. The capture of the golden Aquilae (legionary battle standards) by the Parthians was considered a grave moral defeat and evil omen for the Romans. It required a generation of diplomacy before the Parthians returned them. An important and unexpected implication of this battle was that it opened up the European continent to a new and beautiful material: silk. However, the most immediate effect of the battle was that Carrhae was an indirect cause for the fall of the Republic, and the rise of the Empire. [Source]

The Battle of Pydna in 168 BC between Rome and the Macedonian Antigonid dynasty represents the ascendancy of Rome in the Hellenic/Hellenistic world and the end of the Antigonid line of kings, whose power traced back to Alexander III of Macedon. It is often considered to be the classic example of the Macedonian phalanx against the Roman legion, and generally accepted as proving the superiority of the latter over the former. This was not the final conflict between the two rivals, but it broke the back of Macedonian power. The political consequences of the lost battle were severe. The Senate’s settlement included the deportation of all the royal officials and the permanent house arrest of Perseus. The kingdom was divided into four republics that were heavily restricted from intercourse or trade with one another and with Greece. There was a ruthless purge, with allegedly anti-Roman citizens being denounced by their compatriots and deported in large numbers (300 000). [Source]
The Battle of Ipsus was fought between some of the Diadochi (the successors of Alexander the Great) in 301 BC near the village of that name in Phrygia. Antigonus I Monophthalmus and his son Demetrius I of Macedon were pitted against the coalition of three other companions of Alexander: Cassander, ruler of Macedon; Lysimachus, ruler of Thrace; and Seleucus I Nicator, ruler of Babylonia and Persia. The battle opened with the usual slowly intensifying skirmishing between the two armies’ light troops, with elephants eventually thrown into the fray by both sides. Efforts were made by both sides to hamstring the enemy’s elephants, but also had to hang back to protect their own. Demetrius’ superior right-flank cavalry drove Antiochus’ wing back, but was halted in his attempted rear blow by Seleucus, who moved the elephant reserve to block him. More missile troops moved to the unprotected Antigonid right flank, as Demetrius was unable to disengage from the elephants and enemy horse to his front. At the beginning of the day, Antigonus had not been able to wear plate armor; this disadvantage was unexpectedly used by an anonymous allied peltast, who killed him with a well-thrown javelin. Without leadership and already beginning to flee, the Antigonid army completely disintegrated. The last chance to reunite the Alexandrine Empire had now passed. Antigonus had been the only general able to consistently defeat the other Successors; without him, the last bonds the Empire had had began to dissolve. Ipsus finalized the breakup of an empire, which may account for its obscurity; despite that, it was still a critical battle in classical history and decided the character of the Hellenistic age. [Source]
The Battle of Gaugamela took place in 331 BC between Alexander the Great of Macedonia and Darius III of Achaemenid Persia. The battle, which is also inaccurately called the Battle of Arbela, resulted in a massive victory for the Macedonians. While Darius had a significant advantage in numbers, most of his troops were of a lower quality than Alexander’s. Alexander’s pezhetairoi were armed with a six-meter spear, the sarissa. The main Persian infantry was poorly trained and equipped in comparison to Alexander’s pezhetairoi and hoplites. After the battle, Parmenion rounded up the Persian baggage train while Alexander and his own bodyguard chased after Darius in hopes of catching up. As at Issus, substantial amounts of loot were gained following the battle, with 4,000 talents captured, as well as the King’s personal chariot and bow. The war elephants were also captured. In all, it was a disastrous defeat for the Persians, and possibly one of Alexander’s finest victories. At this point, the Persian Empire was divided into two halves – East and West. Bessus murdered Darius, before fleeing eastwards. Alexander would pursue Bessus, eventually capturing and executing him the following year. The majority of the existing satraps were to give their loyalty to Alexander, and be allowed to keep their positions, however, the Persian Empire is traditionally considered to have fallen with the death of Darius. [Source]
The Battle of Marathon during the Greco-Persian Wars took place in 490 BC and was the culmination of King Darius I of Persia’s first full scale attempt to conquer the remainder of Greece and incorporate it into the Persian Empire, which would secure the weakest portion of his western border. The longest-lasting legacy of Marathon was the double envelopment. Some historians have claimed it was random rather than a conscious decision by Miltiades - the Tyrant of the Greek Colonies. In hoplitic battles, the two sides were usually stronger than the center because either they were the weakest point (right side) or the strongest point (left side). However, before Miltiades (and after him until Epaminondas), this was only a matter of quality, not quantity. Miltiades had personal experience from the Persian army and knew its weaknesses. As his course of action after the battle shows (invasions of the Cyclades islands), he had an integrated strategy upon defeating the Persians, hence there is no reason he could have not thought of a good tactic. The double envelopment has been used ever since, such as when the German Army used a tactic at the battle of Tannenberg during World War I similar to that used by the Greeks at Marathon. [Source]
The Battle of Cynoscephalae was fought in Thessaly in 197 BC between the Roman army, led by Titus Quinctius Flamininus, and the Antigonid dynasty of Macedon, led by Philip V. This Macedonian defeat marks the passing of imperial power from the successors of Alexander the Great to Rome. Along with the later Battle of Pydna, this defeat is often held to have demonstrated that the Macedonian phalanx, formerly the most effective fighting unit in the ancient world, was now obsolete, although in fact the phalanx was able to force the legions back and held their own with swords until twenty maniples fell upon their rear (due to the weak Macedonian flanks and the Roman elephants routing the disordered Macedonian left flank). As a consequence of his loss, Philip had to pay 1,000 talents to Rome, as well as disband his navy and most of his army. He also had to send his son to Rome as a hostage. The battle in many ways determined the subsequent history of the Mediterranean. It also was a major turning point in how wars were fought. The image above is the site of the Battle of Cynoscephalae today. [Source]
The Battle of Actium was the decisive engagement in the Final War of the Roman Republic between the forces of Octavian and those of the combined forces of Mark Antony and Cleopatra. It was fought on September 2, 31 BC, on the Ionian Sea near the Roman colony of Actium in Greece. Octavian’s fleet was commanded by Marcus Vipsanius Agrippa, while Antony’s fleet was supported by the fleet of his lover, Cleopatra VII, queen of Ptolemaic Egypt. The victory of Octavian’s fleet enabled him to consolidate his power over Rome and its domains, leading to his adoption of the title of Princeps (”first citizen”) and his accepting the title of Augustus from the Senate. As Augustus Caesar, he would preserve the trappings of a restored Republic, but many historians view his consolidation of power and the adoption of his honorifics flowing from his victory at Actium as the end of the Roman Republic and the beginning of the Roman Empire. The political consequences of this sea battle were far-reaching. As a result of the loss of his fleet, Mark Antony’s army, which had begun as equal to that of Octavian’s, deserted in large numbers. In a communication breakdown, Antony came to believe that Cleopatra had been captured, and so he committed suicide. Cleopatra heard the news about Mark Antony and, rather than risk being captured by Octavian, committed suicide herself, on August 12, 30 BC. She allowed herself to be bitten by a poisonous asp that was reportedly hidden for her in a basket of figs. [Source]
The Third Servile War, also called the Gladiator War, The Battle of Siler River, and The War of Spartacus by Plutarch, was the last of a series of unrelated and unsuccessful slave rebellions against the Roman Republic, known collectively as the Servile Wars. The Third Servile War was the only one to directly threaten the Roman heartland of Italia and was doubly alarming to the Roman people due to the repeated successes of the rapidly growing band of rebel slaves against the Roman army between 73 and 71 BC. The rebellion was finally crushed through the concentrated military effort of a single commander, Marcus Licinius Crassus, although the rebellion continued to have indirect effects on Roman politics for years to come. The Third Servile War was significant to the broader history of ancient Rome mostly in its effect on the careers of Pompey and Crassus. The two generals used their success in putting down the rebellion to further their political careers, using their public acclaim and the implied threat of their legions to sway the consular elections of 70 BC in their favor. Their actions as Consuls greatly furthered the subversion of Roman political institutions and contributed to the eventual transition of the Roman Republic into the Roman Empire. [Source]
The Battle of Pharsalus was a decisive battle of Caesar’s Civil War. On August 9, 48 BC, the battle was fought at Pharsalus in central Greece between forces of the Populares faction and forces of the Optimates faction. Both factions field armies from the Roman Republic. The Populares were led by Gaius Julius Caesar (Caesar) and the Optimates were led by Gnaeus Pompeius Magnus (Pompey). In addition to Pompey, the Optimates faction included most of the Roman Senate. The victory of Caesar weakened the Senatorial forces and solidified his control over the Republic. Pompey fled from Pharsalus to Egypt, where he was assassinated on the order of Pharaoh Ptolemy XIII. The Battle of Pharsalus ended the wars of the First Triumvirate. The Roman Civil War, however, was not ended. Pompey’s two sons, the most important of whom was Sextus Pompeius, and the Pompeian faction led now by Labienus, survived and fought their cause in the name of Pompey the Great. Caesar spent the next few years ‘mopping up’ remnants of the senatorial faction. After finally completing this task, he was assassinated in a conspiracy arranged by Marcus Junius Brutus and Gaius Cassius Longinus. [Source]
The Battle of Salamis, was a decisive naval battle between the Greek city-states and Persia in September, 480 BC in the strait between Piraeus and Salamis Island, an island in the Saronic Gulf near Athens. The Greeks were not in accord as to how to defend against the Persian army, but Athens under Themistocles used their navy to defeat the much larger Persian navy and force King Xerxes I of Persia to retreat. The Greek victory marked the turning point of the campaign, leading to the eventual Persian defeat. The Battle of Salamis has been described by many historians as the single most significant battle in human history. The defeat of the Persian navy was instrumental in the eventual Persian defeat, as it dramatically shifted the war in Greece’s favor. Many historians argue that Greece’s ensuing independence laid the foundations for Western civilization, most notably from the preservation of Athenian democracy, the concept of individual rights, relative freedom of the person, true philosophy, art and architecture. Had the Persians won at Salamis, it is very likely that Xerxes would have succeeded in conquering all the Greek nations and passing to the European continent, thus preventing Western civilization’s growth (and even existence). Given the influence of Western civilization on world history, as well as the achievements of Western culture itself, a failure of the Greeks to win at Salamis would almost certainly have had seriously important effects on the course of human history. [Source]

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Omissions: Kadesh, Megiddo, Thermopylae (less decisive than Salamis above), Cannae, and Gaixia
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1. genesis105 - August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 am
Nice list! I love ancient history. Haha
2. Sunshine - August 1st, 2008 at 4:44 am
Those kind of battles always sound scarier than the more present battles fought. :[
3. Sunshine - August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 am
Hehe, damn you genesis105. I was thinking that I’d get the first comment. :]
4. Geraint - August 1st, 2008 at 5:06 am
Great list love it
5. Tempyra - August 1st, 2008 at 5:12 am
Cool list, I only knew about a few of these before reading it
6. Randall - August 1st, 2008 at 5:30 am
My kind of list… ancient history. Gotta love it.
Long live Greece!
7. bucslim - August 1st, 2008 at 5:32 am
Jamie did you write this?
I started on a list like this about a month ago, but never finished the research. You did a nice job. I would have liked to have seen Zama listed and there’s some on here I didn’t research so I’m going to have fun looking them up.
8. cparker - August 1st, 2008 at 5:42 am
Now this is a kind of list you should do as often as possible. I am anxious to see the top ten for a.d. battles.
9. bucslim - August 1st, 2008 at 5:47 am
A very good read and probably one of the best written lists here. I’m happy you chose the more technical aspects instead of merely ‘famous’ battles. I’m really impressed with your attention to detail here.
Just a very well researched list - fantastic job.
10. mregan - August 1st, 2008 at 6:19 am
I would suggest the Teutoburgerwald.
11. dangorironhide - August 1st, 2008 at 6:28 am
Heavy list for when you’re just woken up… Awesome though, a really interesting read.
12. dastex - August 1st, 2008 at 6:31 am
Good list but too much emphasis on Greco-Roman conflicts. The other great civilisations (Inca, Maya, Nubia, Zulu, Aryan, Urdu) also fought epic battles of great importance. Sure the literature on them may not be as extensive but their significance is very real.
BTW the fugitive list is not loading.
13. ohrmets - August 1st, 2008 at 6:46 am
Very thorough list!
Although I did expect to see Cannae somewhere on there, and like mregan, thought the Teutoburg Forest should have had a least a notable omission nod.
14. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 6:47 am
bucslim: yes - I put this one together.
15. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 6:48 am
dastex: it loaded for me - try shift-refresh - it might help
16. Iain - August 1st, 2008 at 6:55 am
It seems strange not to have any Punic war (Carthage v Rome) battles - but I guess the point about Hannibal’s great victories is that they weren’t decisive. However shouldn’t we have Scipio’s victory over Hannibal at Zama? The end point of a clash of civilisations.
re Dastex - I agree with your point - but a lot of your examples are post-AD and the rest are a bit light on historical material. I tried checking out the early Chinese Empire myself - and while there must have been equally decisive battles I couldn’t see anything specific.
Great list - I had hoplite wallpaper when I was a kid.
17. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 am
Iain: I tried to keep it to smaller battles - as opposed to entire wars - hence leaving out the punic wars but including Spartacus and his part in the servile “war”.
18. Iain - August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 am
There used to be a show on (not so long ago) here in the UK, where people refought ancient battles, including a lot on this list, against a computer (crappy graphics though) - aided by a Sandhurst professor.
19. Avi - August 1st, 2008 at 7:10 am
man i would not want to do anything with these battles. hell i bet getting killed was better than getting injured in those times also.
20. Iain - August 1st, 2008 at 7:15 am
jf - fair point - but I still suggest ‘Zama’ as a single battle.
21. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 7:17 am
PLEASE NOTE: there is a competition on this list - for some reason it vanished - it is now the bonus item.
22. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 am
Iain; okay - I concede that to you - ending a 17 year war is fairly decisive
23. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 7:21 am
Avi: I seriously think you are right
24. warningdontreadthis - August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 am
Lots of focus on the Persians being the bad guys. As always, what would expect.
I have one question, aren’t the Parthians basicly the Persians? Pre Achaemenidean empire? or am I just mistaking that for something else?
It was a nice list jfrater, but wouldn’t picture 8 fit better with battle nr 7?
25. ErickRN - August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 am
fun list!!
26. warningdontreadthis - August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 am
I say that cause I saw a lovely terry jones docu about them
27. sgvaibhav - August 1st, 2008 at 7:38 am
This list is very informative!
WE come to know something about our history and gain knowledge in our religious background.
Frankly speaking, i never have heard of any of the battles above.
28. sandiebush824 - August 1st, 2008 at 8:02 am
I love ancient history battles to but they all seem so brutal
29. Ghidoran - August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 am
Damn it! I was gonna submit a list like this! You forgot Chalons, jfrater. How could you? If it was lost, Europe would now be controlled by Asian barbarians. Link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T....._the_World
30. Ravyn - August 1st, 2008 at 8:08 am
Very interesting list. More for me to go study.
31. kowzilla - August 1st, 2008 at 8:31 am
This may take the cake as the most scholarly list ever on ListVerse. Dangorironhide is right; its a bit much to think about right as you wake up. But its still a very interesting list.
32. Melody Kitn - August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 am
More to learn through List Verse, my favorite being the one mentioning Cleopatra and Antony, almost Romeo and Juliet-esque in times of war.
33. Sheldon Roy - August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 am
I love ancient history, I’ve never even heard of half of these. Nice list
34. playyahplay - August 1st, 2008 at 8:41 am
I think it was Patton that said “War is Hell” but he never got stabbed by a bronze sword or stuck by a spear.
35. Kreachure - August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 am
Very nice list. I have learnt much from this.
BTW, I think this is a much more suitable picture for the Battle of Salamis.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com.....8416_o.jpg
36. Dudi - August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 am
The list is indeed focused on the Western civilization, and even then, on the Hellenic-Roman aspect of it. I would add the Battle of Emmaus, that took place in 166 BC. It was fought between the Maccabean Rebels led by Judas Maccabeus, and the forces of the Hellenic King Antiochus IV Epiphanes, ruler of a Hellenic kingdom that spread from the Mediterranean to India.
The Maccabean Revolt took place as a result of Antiochus’ laws forbidding the basic practices of Jewish Religion, and trying to enforce the worship of Greek Gods in ancient Judea. If successful, these laws would have effectively ended the Jewish religion. The Battle of Emmaus is considered the most important battle of the revolt; if the Jewish forces would have not won that battle, it can be assumed that the Jewish religion would have ended there and then - and with it the future Christianity and Islam. Judeas Maccabeus’ victory was the beginning of the end of the Hellenic rule in Judea, and heralded the independent Jewish Hashmonean Kingdom in Judea and Israel.
37. Kreachure - August 1st, 2008 at 9:03 am
Oh gosh, my previous comment sounds so serious and snooty if you don’t actually click on the link…
38. warningdontreadthis - August 1st, 2008 at 9:09 am
Kreachure : hahaha, fantastic.
39. Burgerbuddy - August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 am
Let’s not forget Caesar’s battle at Alesia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Alesia
40. Csimmons - August 1st, 2008 at 9:52 am
ahhh, great list, always good to wake up to a list about people dying.
41. henry o - August 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
Man, I loved the Spartans when I was a kid. “Laconophilia” is the word.
42. Dow - August 1st, 2008 at 9:53 am
#9 ‘The kingdom was divided into four republics that were heavily restricted from intercourse or trade with one another and with Greece.’
No intercourse among themselves is one thing, but no intercourse with Greeks is where I draw the line.
43. Dow - August 1st, 2008 at 9:56 am
Jamie,
Still no DVD from the Western competition I won in May. Follow-up emails have been sent, and sent, and sent. What’s the deal?
Dow
…Formerly registered as Barack Obama
44. Daithi - August 1st, 2008 at 10:22 am
This. Is. LISTVERSE!!
45. alien_girl01 - August 1st, 2008 at 10:28 am
Nice list. I was a history major in university but unfortunately never got to take an ancient history class. Very informative.
46. flgh - August 1st, 2008 at 10:33 am
I agree with dastex ; too much emphasis on Greco-Roman battles. Where’s Chandragupta Maurya’s conquest of Macedonian territories?
47. kittym - August 1st, 2008 at 10:36 am
Excellent list! I always looked forward to learning about the different wars Greece had been involved in, as well as Rome when I was in my various history classes during high school. If I could have afforded it, I would have liked to have studied more about this in uni. Ah well, maybe I’ll go back when I have some extra money lying around! Good list!
48. Thomas - August 1st, 2008 at 10:40 am
Actium was the coolest!
49. scrumpy - August 1st, 2008 at 11:05 am
35. Kreachure
ha ha! nice one
50. kris - August 1st, 2008 at 11:11 am
i felt as i was reading my history lessons… doesn’t make feel i missing school haha!
51. JayArr - August 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
I must say, I’m very pleased that the list is consistently Before Common era. Very cool. I’ve studied a number of ancient battles/wars over the years… never ceases to amaze me how just the right conditions on the battle field and the right decision at the right moment can mean the difference between total victory and utter annihilation.
52. icarusfoundyou - August 1st, 2008 at 11:51 am
*phew* i finish my history GCSEs and you start it all up again!
seriously though, this page is more informative than any of my history lessons haha
53. segue - August 1st, 2008 at 12:11 pm
This has to be my favorite list so far! History has always fascinated me, and ancient history in particular…maybe a strange obsession for a female, but all of my obsessions are. My shelves bulge with history books, science books, biographies…
Jamie, I would curtsy if I knew how. In lieu of that, a great big “Thank you”, for a list which allows us to stretch the old grey matter a bit, and dig into those reference books, reminding ourselves just how far we really haven’t come after all.
54. ninjajim - August 1st, 2008 at 12:28 pm
Some people say America’s democracy will fall in much the same way Rome’s republic did. I think it’s still too early to tell, but it is quite possible.
55. sdggrant - August 1st, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Loved the list. Im going to major in ancient greek history specifically because I LOVE ancient warfare. It would of been cool to mention the Battle of Megiddo, 1457 BC. simply because it is the first ever (historically) recorded battle. Or the battle of Battle of Chaeronea, 338BC, in which Phillip brought all of Greece under Macedonian rule. Which in turn allowed alexander to conquer the world! Anyways, excellent list, keep em’ comin.
56. sdggrant - August 1st, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Oops, just saw that you mention Megiddo as an omission, my bad.
57. Hined - August 1st, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I wrote a report about the battle of Pharsalus, which got me hooked on ancient history.
However, although Rome has a great history, and is always excited, I’m tired of all the attention it gets. Same thign with Greece. History happened in other parts of the world too!
Great list though.
58. Caitlin - August 1st, 2008 at 1:26 pm
What a great list! I love learning more about history!
59. travis - August 1st, 2008 at 1:35 pm
The battle of adrianople, around 370 AD, would make a great addition to this list. the battle was an utter defeat for the roman military against the goths, and to add to the humiliation, the roman emperor Valens was killed in the battle. this battle is largely seen as the begining of end for the roman empire. Or even the battle of teutoburg forest, that battle prevented roman expansion into germany for the remainder of the empire. i dont know what i would take out of the list to include these, probably the siler river and the cynoscephalae battles.
60. BA - August 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Great List! I think this provides a good lead into the 10 Most Decisive Modern Battles. I was surprised to see some sea battles included, which just proves I know nothing of ancient naval power.
61. ohrmets - August 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Interesting choices for the DVDs up for offer, jfrater. One of the very best ancient history movies, and one of the very worst! Can you guess which is which, haha?
62. Cubone - August 1st, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Great list! I don’y know a lot about this stuff, but were there no world-changing battles fought in the far-east? Or Central or South America?
63. goof_ball - August 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
Good educational list! Some I knew, some I didn’t.
64. Snowzinger - August 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pm
In respone to your question Cubone, in America around this time, most people are still nomadic and hunter gathers, in the Far-east things are still getting settled and there are wars, but they just werent mentioned here.
65. Hitman - August 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pm
The Battle of Alesia was a major battle that lead to end of the Roman Republic. Julius Caesar defeated Vercingetorix of the Arverni to finally pacify Gual. This victory led Ceasar to cross the Rubicon and eventually to the formation of the Roman Empire.
66. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Dow (43): Thanks for resending the email -I just got it and have replied.
67. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Ghidoran (29): erm - the Battle of Chalons was in 451 AD - this list only includes ancient battles - ie, BC
68. Beranabus - August 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pm
Great list! So many battles you don’t hear as much about, maybe since most happened in BC? Less written records? Anyway, I was glad to see so many battles I’ve never heard of. Always great to improve your mind.
69. Cthulhu - August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
A few notable exceptions:
1. Battle of the Metauras (207 BC): Forget Zama. The war was practically a bygone conclusion by then. However, in 207 BC, Hannibal was marching up and down Italy unopposed and was about to get a massive reinforcement (30 thousand men to his 40-50 thousand), plus siege engines. This is the battle that isolated Hannibal and ensured that he wouldn’t conquer Rome.
2. Battle of Syracuse (413 BC): Sparta blocks Athens from creating a Greek empire.
3. Battle of Megiddo (15th century BC): Thutmose III turns Egypt into an empire.
4. Battle of Teutoberg Forest (9 AD): Halted Rome’s expansion into Germany and prevented them from having a nice border. That little wedge would prove quite troublesome.
5. Battle of Thymbra (547 BC): Cyrus conquers Lydia, expanding the Persian empire and leading to a conflict with Greece.
6. Battle of Leuctra (371 BC): Epaminondas of Thebes hands Sparta a major military defeat, ends Spartan supremacy, and establishes Thebes as the major Greek power (a short-lived position). Oh, and he revolutionized military tactics.
I’d probably swap out Pydna and Ipsus and replace them with Metaurus, Syracuse, Megiddo, or Teutoberg Forest.
70. Cubone - August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pm
I like the idea of mentioning Judeas Maccabeus Dudi! (all you Catholics should be familiar lol). Think of life if Judaism (Cristianity and Islaam) were defeated!
71. CanadianGuy - August 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pm
I was pretty impressed by the list but I was seriously hoping that Pharsalus would be first as I love Roman history, specifically that of Caeser
72. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pm
cubone and dudi - you may be interested to know that today is the traditional feast day of the Seven Holy Maccabees. And for those curious, you can read them in the Bible (Catholic editions only - the books were removed from protestant Bibles by Luther) here:
1 Maccabees
2 Maccabees
73. CanadianGuy - August 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pm
Another great war was the battle at Troy, but historians are still fighting over if Homers the Illiad is fact or fiction. I believe that it is fact
74. CanadianGuy - August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pm
Cubone, the reason we dont hear much of wars from the far east and new world is that most of our history is written from the eyes of the Europeans, therefore what we know as history is based upon them. History is decided by the winning side. A VERY important war that was forgotten was the war that occured when Hannibal attacked the Roman Republic in 221 BC. Many of the Romans war tactics they learned from Hannibal and his army. If you look at his and compare it to Caesers, you will notice they are VERY similar.
75. segue - August 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pm
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#54. ninjajim
Some people say America’s democracy will fall in much the same way Rome’s republic did. I think it’s still too early to tell, but it is quite possible.
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It’s quite impossible, as America’s form of government is not a democracy. It’s a democratic republic.
They are two *very* different things. The American people do not elect their President directly, as they would in a democracy. They elect representatives who have *said* they would vote for one candidate or the other but, in fact, they are not bound to do so.
76. ninjajim - August 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
My bad, I know its not a true democracy, and I do realize what the differences are between the two. I just didn’t feel it was too important to post the distinction because most people simply deem America a democracy. It’s actually not “quite impossible”; for any government led either directly by the people, or through representation faces such a danger. If you look now at social trends, especially things such as political correctness, you’d swear people’s personal liberties are being restricted more and more every day in favor of a more unified and homogeneous culture, rather than one in which people feel safe to act individually. Obviously the PC movement isn’t the only catalyst, and I’m not trying to villify Political correctness (however I do believe there are those who wish to take something good and turn it against people; as the saying goes, “When danger’s near, exploiut their fear!” One book(out of the many out there on this subject) which I have read and found personally interesting is “The Rise and Fall of the American Empire Are We Rome?: The Fall of an Empire and The Fate of America” Anyways thanks for clearing that up for others who might not have been sure of the distinction.
77. jammy - August 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pm
somebody copied your list:
http://thebizzare.com/cool/10-.....t-battles/
78. MPW - August 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Interesting list, I’m referring to this list if I ever have to battle.
79. Cthulhu - August 1st, 2008 at 8:40 pm
Just noticed that the pic accompanying the Battle of Ipsus actually depicts the Battle of Issus (333 BC), the first battle between Alexander the Great and Darius III (Alexander won).
80. warningdontreadthis - August 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pm
Could some one please answer the question I posted on #24?
Cause I’ve heard there is some “debate” around that.
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81. jfrater - August 1st, 2008 at 11:12 pm
warningdontreadthis: according to Wikipedia, the Parthian rule in Iran was preceded by and succeeded by Persian rule. So I guess they are not the same - they spoke Parthian too - not Farsi.
82. danesc - August 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pm
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Which battle was the most decisive?. It has to be battle between those who know and ‘get’ ListUniverse and the rest of mankind.
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83. segue - August 2nd, 2008 at 12:17 am
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76. ninjajim…It’s actually not “quite impossible”…and I’m not trying to villify Political correctness..
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ninjajim, I just didn’t know whether you knew the difference or not. And the “quite impossible” was a flip answer (apologies) meaning that a type of government we don’t have couldn’t be over-thrown. I am in agreement with most of the balance of your statements re: the political climate here.
As to P.C. I do villify it.I have from the get-go. It’s an artificial solution to fix what is, in most cases, an artificial problem. It’s stupid.
84. chunkylover77 - August 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 am
This is why I love Listverse! Outstanding list, informative, educational, interesting, I need a thesaurus to find more words to describe why this site tops other sites! I accidentally stumbled upon this site back when there was only 20 or so lists and kept coming back for more. Keep up the good work Jamie.
85. Mr.Graves - August 2nd, 2008 at 1:40 am
JFrater, I’m saddened that you missed what may possibly be the most decisive battle in ancient time- The Battle Of Agincourt. Not only do King Henry face of with a few thousand english longbowmen, but he took to the field facing up to 30,000 heavily armoured French knights. Not only did he suffer nassive casualties, but the French in their desperation flanked the runners and squire and murdered them in cold blood.
In light of this, Henry refused to give quarter until the french made the first plea for quarter, and only after the the french plead to surrender, for he was willing to allow the heavily bogged down mudd caked kightsto be continually picked off by the vastly superiorer english longbo!!
86. Geraint - August 2nd, 2008 at 1:42 am
Mr.Graves, Agincourt is not an ancient battle it was in the middle ages.
87. Ozhan - August 2nd, 2008 at 2:01 am
I had hard time to understand “6-Marathon” entry. Well, yes Im not native English speaker but still I think it’s confusing.
Other than that, nice list. Im waiting for a AfterDate version
88. Twinkle - August 2nd, 2008 at 2:07 am
wow no battles in China? Egypt?
89. Chickensoup - August 2nd, 2008 at 6:10 am
Sorry to be anal, Geraint, but it was ancient. It just wasn’t BC.
90. Kreachure - August 2nd, 2008 at 6:42 am
*sigh* I wish people read the intro to the lists more often:
“This list only includes battles from before the time of Christ.”
91. png191 - August 2nd, 2008 at 7:53 am
How about the battle of Thermopylae?
An interesting read,especially as I recently picked up a game about Roman battles!
92. png191 - August 2nd, 2008 at 7:54 am
Oops, I didn’t see the omissions list
93. Mom424 - August 2nd, 2008 at 9:48 am
Absolutely wonderful list. Informative and well written, one of the reasons I’m hooked.
Can’t wait for the sequels!
94. iamaneviltaco - August 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 am
I’m disappointed that there isn’t a single eastern battle on here.
Hell, if properly inclined one could do a full list of the battles of the 3 kingdoms alone. I’d have put the battle of Red Cliffs, since it basically cemented the beginning of the 3 kingdoms era and was a pretty solid stomping involving both land and sea. Considering that it happened in 100, or something near it, a joint land and sea battle is pretty amazing, and considering that cao cao basically sabotaged his own fleet and burned it in the hopes of repelling the vastly superior forces of Shu and Wu.
95. leinad - August 2nd, 2008 at 10:51 am
well, all this battles were decisive to determine how we live today. That’s why there are no recent battles, only ones from the cradle era.
96. Cubone - August 2nd, 2008 at 10:56 am
Excellent CanadianGuy and thanks Jam (#71,#72)!
97. j_teether - August 2nd, 2008 at 11:51 am
Sweet list! I can’t wait for the next one!
98. Cedestra - August 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 pm
This list smacked of Randall, but I guess it was Jamie! Great job, I hadn’t heard of any of these (no surprises there- I’ve never studied ancient battles in depth).
99. Brian Moo - August 2nd, 2008 at 4:22 pm
I did a report on the Battle of Salamis back in High School. It was an awesome battle, there was an episode of Ancient Warfare or something similar to that that detailed it.
100. Idreno - August 2nd, 2008 at 4:58 pm
I’ve always been a bit of an ancient history buff (I always said that if I wasn’t a musician I would have studied archeology or classical history), but some of these battles are not too well known and are certainly fascinating!
Actium is definitely one of my favorite battles to read about, probably because I’ve always been so partial to the history of Cleopatra (and more importantly, to the musical representations of her and her life). I personally have always been more intrigued by her relationship with Julius Caesar more than Antony, despite the latter being the more famous and ‘romantic” — Thanks Shakespeare!
For those opera buffs out there…I would recommend listening to the final scenes of Samuel Barber’s opera “Anthony and Cleopatra” (as sung by Leontyne Price, whom the role was written for), Berlioz’s “La Mort de Cleoptare” and Massenet’s rarely heard opera “Cleopatre” which has a seductively beautiful and very moving death scene for the heroine.
101. set89 - August 2nd, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Nice list,some I knew but of course I always learn something from these lists.
102. rhharley - August 2nd, 2008 at 10:32 pm
Interesting, some stuff there I hadn’t known.
103. uvberot - August 2nd, 2008 at 11:44 pm
hey what about kurukshetra?
104. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:01 am
Chickensoup-
Actually, Agincourt wasn’t in ancient times, not by a long shot. It took place in 1415, and the Middle Ages began around the year 500.
105. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:07 am
I’m surprised that the Battle of Philippi wasn’t mentioned. It was a result of this battle that the Second Triumvirate came to power.
106. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:12 am
Another important battle was the Battle of the Hydaspes, where even though Alexander the Great’s forces beat King Porus, his forces refused to move on, which prevented Alexander from conquering India.
107. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:23 am
Here’s a good Chinese battle that could have been on the list:
The Battle of Changping, which took place between the states of Qin, which eventually unified China, and the state of Zhao. Over 500,000 troops were killed in all. In the battle the Qin forces feigned a retreat, and then cut off the pursuing army by attacking from the rear.
108. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:33 am
Another important Chinese battle: the Battle of Mobei, in which the Xiongnu federation’ power was broken, but because of the losses of the Chinese army, a high tax burden was placed on the Chinese peasants.
109. leinad - August 3rd, 2008 at 12:50 am
somerandomguy:
couldn’t you say all that in just one post?
110. ac12 - August 3rd, 2008 at 1:41 am
Nice to learn a little something new every time I come look at the lists. Good job on including some nice educational lists!
111. Ghidoran - August 3rd, 2008 at 7:31 am
Ah, thanks for clearing that up jfrater. Guess I got my dates mixed up.
112. somerandomguy - August 3rd, 2008 at 10:17 am
I suppose I could have, but I was looking these things up one at a time.
113. paulygonic - August 3rd, 2008 at 1:44 pm
How the hell could Cannae be omitted? It was tremendously decisive not only due to the fact that the entire Roman army was annihilated to a man (making it one of the most costliest battles in history) but it also led to several Roman military reforms.
114. Ashantai - August 3rd, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Cannae was not decisive though. It might have been, but Hannibal did not march on Rome. Despite the extreme losses it was no more decisive than Trebia in that regard.
A very interesting and good list. Good to see Pynda and other battles such as Ipsos there. As someone pointed out, the murial for Ipsos is actually the painting of Alexander at Issus 30 or so years before. Minor quibble though.
Of course, there are always more that one can use, but this is a great list, informative, and detailed, and not just including the famous battles.
115. TheBoonDockSaint - August 4th, 2008 at 7:28 am
What, no Sterling Bridge?!! FEEDOM!!!
116. TheBoonDockSaint - August 4th, 2008 at 7:28 am
**FREEDOM!!! SORRY W.W.
117. Tempyra - August 4th, 2008 at 7:34 am
FEEDOM is probably an opposite of FREEDOM
118. Quiana - August 4th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I havent heard of any of these battles, I need to catch up on a lot of reading : (
119. chris - August 4th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
I was a bit worried there that Salamis would be overlooked for Thermopylae, cause of those stupid movies, but there it was at no 1. Nice one.
120. robneiderman - August 4th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Like many others, I also expected to see Thermopylae, Zama, and Cannae on here, though their omissions are reasonable.
For those who keep mentioning medieval battles, though I have heard a few historians refer to the middle ages as the end of the ancient world (thus dividing history into only ancient and modern), most end ancient western history with the collapse of Roman imperial control in Italy in the second half of the 5th century. (In any case, the intro specifies BC, so it’s a moot point.) This sets us up nicely for a Most Decisive Medieval Battles list. Agincourt might find a place on the list, as might Stirling Bridge. I wonder if Hastings would be too obvious as #1. Ooh, maybe Tours…
121. Frankie Di - August 5th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Interesting fact : Gaugamela in Greek means “apples that bark”
Nice one!
122. somerandomguy - August 6th, 2008 at 2:06 am
Yeah, for the Medieval list I could definitely see Hastings at #2, and Tours at #1. But I’d definitely put Bannockburn ahead of Stirling Bridge for Scottish battles. But for 100 years war battles, don’t forget to include later French victories, like the Siege of Orleans or the Battle of Castillon.
123. jfrater - August 6th, 2008 at 4:52 am
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124. Axel - August 6th, 2008 at 5:52 am
Megiddo, Thermopylae and Cannae should be in this list.
125. MPJ - August 7th, 2008 at 10:31 am
How about a list of modern (post revolutionary) decisive battles/Operations?
- Bastogne/Normandy
- Inchon
- Debekka Ridge
- Khe Sanh/Diem Bien Phu
- Yorktown
- Antietam/Gettysburg/Bull Run
- Battle of the Phillipine Sea
- The Somme/Belleau Wood
…to suggest a few
126. demosthenes - August 8th, 2008 at 8:51 am
i am also very surprised the battle of Cannae was not mentioned, as it was decisive in the sense of being a revolutionary tactic. ive even heard it said that the battle is a case study in military academies, even West Point.
on a side note, i was wondering why the Battle of Sekigahara isnt here, but then i realised it happened during the gunpowder era
127. Pleb - August 17th, 2008 at 4:22 am
Great list and the emphasis of Rome and Greece demonstrate that these two civilisations have impacted on more people/places and history than most as you could argue that most history following the creation of these cultures has been influenced by them and their ancestors (Western Europe??)
The only two other battles I would suggest are relatively unknown:
1) The seige of Syracuse (415BC) If Athens had won then Sicily would have come into their Emprie and it would have ended the Peloponnesian War very differently.
2) The battle of the Metaurus (207BC)is hardly known but if Hannibals brother had won then Hannibal would have had enough troops to besiege Rome…thank god for the forced march of the consul Nero!