Top 10 differences between Europe and America
Published on November 25, 2007 - 198 Comments
Though only a stone’s-throw away across the grand Atlantic, Europeans and Americans are as different as night and day. And being anywhere from 5 to 7 hours difference in time, they literally are, too. Back in the days of old when that rag-tag batch of ticked-off Englishmen decided to brave the snarling sea and make new their lives in America, we’ve held similarities close to our hearts. However, times force great changes and leaps in advancement force gaps in our likenesses and make them far more diverse and different. Gone are the days when the ‘New’ Americans would take tea time, instead, we, as Americans, stumbled upon the idea of lunch… similar, but still, quite different. Well, you get the idea. Here are ten (of many, as we all know) ways we, as Americans, are different from our jovial brethren across the pond: the Europeans.
10. Government
Our Governments could not be any more unalike if we purposely attempted to create them so. And, as it turns out, we (the US) kind of did. Not happy with the persecution the European Government was dishing out to specific religious groups, the original Pilgrims who ended up on American shores would eventually go on to pass down ideas for a new government in their new land - despite the fact that they persecuted people in equally (if not worse) ways than the nations they left behind. Here are the governmental differences spelled out as clearly as possible:
Europe: The European Parliament (Europarl or EP) is the directly elected parliamentary body of the European Union (EU). Together with the Council of the European Union (the Council), it forms the bicameral legislative branch of the Union’s institutions and has been described as one of the most powerful legislatures in the world. The Parliament and Council form the highest legislative body within the Union. However their powers as such are limited to the competencies conferred upon the European Community by member states. Hence the institution has little control over policy areas held by the states and within the other two of the three pillars of the European Union. The Parliament is composed of 785 MEPs (Member of the European Parliament) who serve the second largest democratic electorate in the world (after India) and the largest trans-national democratic electorate in the world (492 million).
America: The federal government of the United States is the United States governmental body that carries out the roles assigned to the federation of individual states established by the Constitution. The federal government has three branches: the executive, legislative, and judicial. Through a system of separation of powers or “checks and balances,” each of these branches has some authority to act on its own, some authority to regulate the other two branches, and has some of its own authority, in turn, regulated by the other branches. In addition, the powers of the federal government as a whole are limited by the Constitution, which leaves a great deal of authority to the individual states. The federal government is based in the federal district of Washington, D.C. and is often referred to as “Washington”.
9. Television
While Americans enjoy a mind-numbingly huge array of television stations via satellite or cable, Europe (though able to acquire said choices) also has a slew of nationally funded channels that offer them different types of programming (and in the case of the BBC in Britain, free of advertising). Since about 2000, both continents offer roughly the same when it comes to cable, satellite, and the offers of broadband with phone service and TV. The BBC and ITV are due to launch Freesat, which, unlike Freesat from Sky, will be a free-to-air system similar to Freeview. Europe, of course, features comedies and dramas specifically catered to its core audience, such as Dr. Who and the original Office. We here in American television companies have been know to pilfer European (usually English) programming which then needs modification to make it more appealing to US viewers. In some cases these American spin offs have become more popular than the originals. Two in particular that spring to mind are The Office, and Three’s Company.
8. Meal Times and Etiquette
Europeans are more likely to be found eating as a family around the dinner table than many Americans who prefer the convenience of eating in front of the television. As a result, fast food chains are not as popular in placed like France and Italy as they are stateside. This, however, is not true of all nations in Europe, as the English (possibly through the influence of American television programming) are also beginning to lean toward the convenience of fast food (either ready made or ready-to-cook). Another striking difference is that in mainland Europe, supermarkets are far fewer in number than in America, as a large number of Europeans still buy their food daily from markets in their towns or city centers (again, this is probably no longer true of the United Kingdom). These markets are part of the appeal that Europe has for Americans traveling to Europe.
Trivia: In Europe, an entree is usually the first course of a meal (the same as an American appetizer). The main course is called “the main course”. American’s like to have a salad course, but this is almost never seen in Europe as salad (if it is being served) will usually be presented alongside the main course.
7. Shops
Shopping in the typical American city is a mater of walking around, going inside of whichever building one needs explore in order to locate goods and services, and purchasing. We have a plethora of the Big Box Stores like WAL-MART, Target, Meijer, and those similarly huge home-improvement shops like Lowe’s, Home Depot, and the like. We like what we need readily available at our finger tips and unfortunately this has contributed greatly to the end many of mom-and-pop stores. Grocery delivery is very common in England, while it is still only seen occasionally in the US. Europeans prefer the open-air shops with the amazing array of vastly different foods available in each specific location suited specifically to the item’s location. In Europe you will still see more high street shopping than malls, though this is beginning to change in some countries. The upside to this is that you get personal service, the downside is that if you get dreadful service, you have no one to complain to. It can take a lot more effort to find the items you need as you have to go to many shops instead of one.
6. Money
American currency is just about as basic as it comes: Bills for anything for a dollar and over (5,10,20,50 etc.), and coins for anything a quarter (25 cents) or less: dime (10), nickel (5), penny (1). For the most part and for the longest time our bills have been green with nothing more than age-old etched images of presidents and persons of historical significance, and some say hidden meanings dating back to the rise of the Free Masons and other government clubs. The member states of the European Union have adopted a universal currency called the Euro (with the exception of the British who are exempted from adopting the Euro). This can be incredibly convenient when on holiday, but the adoption of the Euro has caused some difficulties in nations where prices dramatically rose - such as Italy.
5. Language
America has one language for all - American English (though some might say that Spanish is creeping in) - Europe, on the other hand has more languages than nations. As a result, most Europeans will learn at least one other language in school (this is often compulsory in mainland Europe, but not the United Kingdom). English is spoken in most major cities and in the case of some people - like the Dutch, the English in Europe can be better than the English in England. Combined with the universal currency of Europe, this really does make holidaying easier.
4. Sports
To Americans, nothing kills a weekend more appropriately than sitting around with some good friends, nursing a few beers, and watching your favorite sports team beat the snot out of its opponent. We here in the U.S. have five major sports: Baseball, American Football, Basketball, Hockey, and Car Racing. Grabbing several bowls of artery-clogging goodies, staking out a spot in a favorite chair, and yelling at the television is what sports fans are all about. We love our sports so much we’ve delegated entire clothing lines to them. Now in Europe, the four main spectator sports are Football (soccer), Cricket, Rugby, and Tennis. And as we all know, your rabid attraction to your home teams rivals the beastly incorporation we have with our own. In fact, I have never seen anything even remotely close to the mass of infuriated spectators rising in unison to a bad call or a loss than European sports crowds. It’s just scary and has been known in the past to be deadly.
3. Cooking
American cooking, for all its variety and excitement, owes its very existence to everywhere else. Even our deep-seeded southern roots stemmed from French influence. If it can be successfully fried, we’ll happily do it. If it can be mass-produced and served with fried potatoes, we’ll joyfully do that, too. We love our steaks, our hamburgers, our hot dogs, our potato and tortilla chips, and our foods smothered in gravy. Europeans have a diverse cultural history in their food and this is still obvious in every nation. It would be wrong, however, to consider European food healthier overall - this is not necessarily the case and Europeans, knowing this, tend to eat smaller portions. Virtually every aspect of French cooking involves butter and cream. Of all the European nations, England is the one with the worst reputation for food - it is expensive and usually bad. This, however, is beginning to change as more English people take an interest in redefining old English favorites (such as steak-and-kidney pudding) for the new millennium.
2. Drinking
There is very little doubt that America’s favorite alcoholic beverage has got to be beer. We love to import, export, and support the local micro-brews of which there are literally thousands. In fact, I live smack in the middle of six, and the beers produced there are always readily available. We do have quite the active wine making community as well, generally on the west coast in California, though other states, such as Michigan where I live, produce wine as well. In my state, selling alcohol before 12 p.m. is not only taboo, but illegal. On Sundays you aren’t allowed to purchase after five p.m., and if it’s a holiday, none after 2 a.m the previous day or on the holiday at all. Now, in bars and pubs, you can purchase (as long as you are inside) until 2 a.m. Also, unless you want some serious trouble, you ought to be 21 to do so at all. Despite this high drinking-age, many kids start around 16 or 17. Europeans of course have beer, wine, and other alcohol, but most often just different variations on the common theme. In Europe the drinking age in each country varies too, but to be on the safe side, carry your ID if you drink or purchase alcoholic beverages. Some countries list two legal ages: one to buy beer and wine and another to buy stronger spirits such as vodka, while other countries allow younger people to drink while dining in the company of adults. It seems that the laws are similar as are the concerns for under-age drinking and especially drinking and driving. One major difference here, however, is that many European families give their children wine with dinner (often watered down) - there is much less a taboo associated with alcohol in Europe than America, which may be partly a side-effect of the prohibition movement.
1. Day to Day
While Americans and Europeans (excluding the British) drive on the same side of the road, there are still many different rules. The most obvious is the American rule allowing cars to turn on a red light. Most of the street signs use the same international symbols. In England, there are a variety of different crosswalks with different names: A puffin crossing has the lights on the same side as the pedestrian; a toucan crossing is a crossing for pedestrians and bicycles; a pegasus crossing allows horse-riders to cross as well. There are also tiger crossings (alternating yellow and black stripes) to allow cyclists to cross without dismounting, and of course, the zebra crossing. But wait - there’s more. There are also pelican crossings which are traffic light controlled.
Power sockets in the United Kingdom differ from the rest of Europe, and both are different from American (and Japanese) sockets. European plugs generally have two circular pins for inserting in to the socket (though there are variations in almost all of the nations in Europe), while British and Irish plugs have three thick rectangular pins. Also, European lights switch off in the opposite direction to American lights.
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1. Robert - November 25th, 2007 at 3:10 pm
There are lots of great American Tv shows! They are not just all rip off’s of British shows.
The Simpsons, Arrested Development, It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia, Lost, Deadwood etc etc
Also…Any major grocery store will deliver to your home now. I don’t know why the author thinks it’s only for disabled or elderly people.
2. 20Fan20 - November 25th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Why does it feel like the author hates living here or falls for the grass is greener on the other side.
What about healthcare being a big difference?
How about the variety of different cultures living here (in large populations?)
I am not trying to attack the author but to constantly slam on one country while proping up another does not make for the best list.
3. angelina - November 25th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
This list doesn’t do much to quell the belief that Americans are fat, ignorant, and lazy . . . unfortunately most of us are!
And there is just something about a man with an accent . . . purr . . . Good stuff 
4. Stacy - November 25th, 2007 at 3:14 pm
I believe this list could have been written without being insulting. Strangely, I’m actually offended with the way this list was written whereas I wasn’t offended at all with the NSFW lists.
5. rp - November 25th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Clearly, the author has never seen an Italian eat.
6. JDavis - November 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
The British language we know today isn’t real British, it was made up 300 years ago in order for the nobles to sound more educated. The early colonists as well as the commoners of England sounded very similar to us.
7. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 3:28 pm
As you all know I am not American, but as I published this list (though I didn’t write it) - I feel I should point out that I would kill to live in America! If anyone has any ideas on how I can get a greencard, please let me know
8. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 3:31 pm
The list is just the writers opinion on things. It wasn’t meant as an attack on anyone and you certainly shouldn’t be “insulted” by it. We all know that all americans arent fat and lazy, just like we know that not all brits would rather chew on rocks than brush their teeth. Everybody stereotypes even when we know that those steretypes aren’t necessarily true. It was a light-hearted list, its not like it was openly hostile and degrading. So just ENJOY IT!
9. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 3:33 pm
I forgot to say, living in Europe but having been in the states, the biggest difference I have seen is that Americans are far more friendly than Europeans
10. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 3:36 pm
sdggrant: that comment is hilarious - it reminds me of the Simpsons episode where Bart is the shown the “book of English Smiles”
Alas because of the health system in England, it is not too far from the truth.
11. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 3:37 pm
Oh yeah, the differences in the views on sex and nudity should of been mentioned. I had a stepmother from sweden and she brought newspapers from all over europe back to america. I was surprised to see nudity all throughout the papers like it was no big deal. Do that in America and your lose every cent you have to your name, not to mention you will probably land in a jail. Also, my buddy is from Poland and whenever I go over there his father walks around in speedo’s (inside and outside the house) because its “no big deal in Poland.” Guess that what happens when your country was founded by the prudes and bible thumpers of europe
12. rp - November 25th, 2007 at 3:42 pm
jfrater: The Mexicans have shown us that green cards are optional.
13. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 3:46 pm
sdggrant: you are right - the puritanical origins still have an effect I think - just as the Victorian prudishness is still effecting England (at least in my opinion).
rp: hehe I need to do it legally for peace of mind
14. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
TOO true rp! I live in Southern California (orange county) and in some places it would be hard to tell that you are in america still. I wish I was joking.
15. angelina - November 25th, 2007 at 3:49 pm
jfrater: Ok, I’ll marry you . . . for the green card, of course!
16. Daniel - November 25th, 2007 at 3:50 pm
jfrater: Find yourself a good, skinny, blonde, sweet and smiling American girl if you want that card.
What parts of America have you visited?
17. Daniel - November 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
hehe, looks like angelina was a minute ahead of me on the marry-for-the-card idea!
18. angelina - November 25th, 2007 at 3:51 pm
Why does she have to be blonde???
19. ana - November 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
As someone who does live in Europe, allow me to just ask this: has the person who wrote this list ever been here? Or ever been somewhere else here other than a few selected parts of London? It certainly doesn’t sound like it.
20. Bonnie_ - November 25th, 2007 at 3:52 pm
Whoever wrote this article must live on the East Coast. What about our National Forests, covering millions of acres, where Americans go camping, hiking, fishing and hunting? Europeans don’t spend their summers sitting around a campfire in the middle of the wilderness, roasting marshmallows and looking at the stars. In America, that’s practically our national pasttime.
I love America fiercely. We save our lands, we protect our forests and wilderness, we battle oil spills and regulate our industry so we don’t hurt our wild life. In my home state we preserve open space so coyotes and rabbits and prairie dogs can live side by side with humans. We protect wolves and mountain lions and bears, so much so that we occasionally lose human lives to these predators for the privilege of sharing our world with them.
Europe has lost their wilderness, their wild animals, their places where one can go deep into the primeval. That’s the difference between Americans and Europeans.
21. Claire Modine - November 25th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
Unsurprisingly, the fat American writer shows his ignorance by constantly referring to Britain as part of “Europe”. Most Brits would beg to differ with that association - they refer to Europe as “The Continent” and are frequently at odds politically with the EU, France, Germany, etc. Britain does not recognize the euro as its currency. Also, Britain is far more pro-American than is The Continent, France’s Nicholas Sarkozy notwithstanding. In short, there is Britain and there is Europe; despite geographic proximity, they are not one and the same.
22. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 3:57 pm
haha - thanks angelina
you have proven my point about how nice Americans are!
Daniel - the only part I have stayed in is San francisco - I went in January for the apple conference. I went to cannery row in Monterey too - as an homage to Steinbeck whom I love
23. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 3:58 pm
Sorry Bonnie, but the only reason those lands are protected is because they aren’t needed right now. Just look at Southern CA, land that used to be protected is turning into prime Beachside real estate. Even the great redwood forests in central ca are slowly being torn down. The only difference between Europe and America is that Europe has had a few extra hundred years to tear their forests down, were not too far behind…
Too true Claire, too true. I work with quite a few Brits and they aren’t to shy about pointing that fact out to the ignorant.
24. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
claire - while I appreciate your sentiments, Britain is part of the EU. There are special conditions in their membership that allows then to retain the pound for now
25. Jevanzz - November 25th, 2007 at 4:02 pm
Bonnie: We europeans still have our wilderness and wild animals, albeit less than Americans due to the vast amount of land you guys have :).
26. Claire Modine - November 25th, 2007 at 4:03 pm
San Francisco (and New York City) can hardly be called representative of America - both are not conservative enough. Go check out Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, or Indiana for real America.
27. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 4:09 pm
I agree to some point with you Claire, 90% of my family lives in either South Dakota, Montana or rural Maine. And while they might live a “traditional” american life, the same kind lived 100 years ago, it is not representative of the popular american culture and image. If the small states were the true image of America, we would be less hated.
28. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 4:11 pm
claire - I didn’t write the list - someone asked me what part of the US I visited - it was nothing to do with this list. And please forgive my slow replies - I am typing on my 2 day old iphone and am not yet used to it
29. Twinkle - November 25th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
hmmm… it seems as though america and europe are just the same… same automaton societies! lol…
why not come visit asia? you’ll find diversity of all sorts.
30. JT - November 25th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
Shouldn’t this list be differences between the USA and the UK? I didn’t see a single other European country mentioned - even referentially.
31. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 4:16 pm
incidentally, thanks all of you for your calm reasonable comments in spite of a controversial topic - that is what makes this site so great!
32. jfrater - November 25th, 2007 at 4:17 pm
JT - they’re between the lines
33. Robert - November 25th, 2007 at 4:18 pm
Claire - We’re trying to get people to like America!
34. Bonnie_ - November 25th, 2007 at 4:21 pm
There are over 23 different beach parks in California including nine National parks. Those beaches comprise over 1,000 miles of protected property. They aren’t going anywhere. There are also thousands of miles of protected parks in inland California. Prime Beachside real estate is as it has always been — private property bought and sold on the open market. Any American, however, can enjoy one of a thousand miles of free and open public beaches in California.
I am always irritated by people who extrapolate their personal space to the entire world. I’m hungry — the world is starving! I’m crowded — the world is overpopulated! Today is hot — the globe is heating up and we’re all gonna die!
Sorry about the overcrowding in California, dude. You want some breathing room, we got plenty here in the great Western states.
35. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 4:33 pm
Aye, Bonnie, I’m not denying that there are plenty of protected natural areas because there are. Call me a pessimist, but I think that in the long run(100 years from now, 150 years) those places will become too valuable as the population rises. Its happened many times, I dont agree with it, but it wil happen.
And yeah, crowding sucks. Once I get my degrees and a solid cash reserve, I plan on high tailing it out of southern ca, hopefully to somewhere on the Great Plains.
36. Daniel - November 25th, 2007 at 4:41 pm
angelina: I mentioned she had to be blonde to showcase some more American stereotypes… no real reason
I have dark brown hair and the actresses I consider most attractive are all brunette.
I once asked my British friend to do her impression of an American; she replied, “You want me to sound 15% stupider?”
I love the British sense of humor!
37. rp - November 25th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
Sdg, according to this list you should probably high tail it to England instead of the Great Plains. Wonderful weather, great health care, luxurious and affordable housing, gorgeous women, and all the boiled meat your bloated American gut can stand. Hell, what are you waiting for?
38. Sandra - November 25th, 2007 at 5:01 pm
how about word pronunciation? My boyfriend is Welsh, I’m American, and we are always arguing over the word aluminum. He says al-u-min-ium, and I say it’s alum-in-um. I say that one state in merica is bigger than his entire kingdom, so we’re right, but he says we’re all stupid and fat and have completely butchered the language. So who wins??
39. ian - November 25th, 2007 at 5:04 pm
umm what about eletrical outlets…
i didnt take the time toread all these comments so if someone already said it then so be it. it was the first thing i thought off when i saw the title of the list
40. MadBess - November 25th, 2007 at 5:06 pm
jfrater, I live in Monterey. I just moved here, I haven’t been to the Steinbeck Center in Salinas yet but it is on my list of things to do.
41. angelina - November 25th, 2007 at 5:08 pm
Daniel: I get your meaning.
For full effect, you should’ve added “big boobs”.
42. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 5:16 pm
Wait, wait wait, sandra…You said you’re American, then you said your boyfriend said all Americans are stupid and fat… I’m willing to be he’s been sleeping in the dog house since then, huh?
and RP
I love my country, even with all its faults, so moving overseas is a no-no, even if it does sound nice!
43. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 5:17 pm
Ok, Ok, the cat has got to be let out of the bag…this list was meant to be mostly farcical and I was in a comedic mood today. I never in a million years expected to tune in to over 40 comments on something I wrote this morning! I felt a lighter lilt to the air was in order after I had written that evil child list (still stuck in my craw by the way) and, with Jamie’s blessing, I went all self deprecating with this list. No, i have never been anywhere near Europe, and no, I am not from the east coast. In fact, I live in south-western Michigan and it’s of no surprise to any other Americans who’ve read this, we’re a pretty bloated state. Of course America is gorgeous and I have been to 48 of the 50 states and I know just how awesome our country is. Please forgive me from those of you who are offended, and I honestly promise that this was very tongue in cheek. Please, laugh along with me, after all, I am a writer!
44. enin ytenin - November 25th, 2007 at 5:24 pm
someones got a boner for europe.
and not every person living in amerika is completely retarded and white trash, as the “list” puts forth.. just as not every person living in england is eurotrashy with bad teeth and an uptight manner.
lets face it, europe and america are one in the same; petty cultural differences dont do too much to the overall picture of a diehard love of capital and imperialism.//
edit;;; this response is to the list conceptually, not to the author
45. NestorV - November 25th, 2007 at 5:25 pm
Wow, you live in MI.
Cool, in what area?
46. JMurf - November 25th, 2007 at 5:32 pm
Bonnie_: Europe has a huge amount of wilderness, right in it’s heart is Austria, Switzerland and the Alps, all postcard stereotypes of wilderness.
The quality of documentaries in Europe is far far better, BBCs Planet Earth can actually be regarded as a masterpiece, though its considered a British documentary. Not known as being European, when you live in Europe.
Sandra: you have to let your boyfriend win, they learnt the language before the Americans
Humour is wittier in Europe too, but that goes down to taste I suppose
47. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Stewwriter, something I’ve learned over the past few years, is that many many people have almost zero ability to detect sarcasm and/or humor on the internet unless you say one of the following: lol, haha, rofl, or roflwtfbbq, directly folowing your attempt at humor. By they wya, I enjoyed your list
48. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 5:34 pm
NestorV: Portage city in the County of Kalamazoo! Pretty lovely area, actually!
49. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 5:37 pm
sdggrant: Thank you! You have the knack for defending the poor fellow directly responsible for pissing of not one but TWO nations at once! I appreciate you’re noticing of my subtle-as-a-tack-hammer humor! Well done!
50. Fallenangel - November 25th, 2007 at 6:01 pm
I’m sorry dear Stew, but I have a hard time findng a funny is such a sad description of our America. Granted, I’ve ALWAYS wanted to go to England. I am a proud American… how trite is that.(there’s a rarity ha ha) Maybe because my husband & father are NAVY my brother is ARMY, and one of my best friends is AirForce, It means something more to me. But no matter where you go, you’ll find smart people, dumb people, good people bad people…in may case someone who ramble. I just don’t see how putting us in the negative in the shadow of England (Or Europe)is funny. . . Okay I think that’s outta my system.
51. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 6:13 pm
Thats because humor is relative, fallenangel. What I find funny, you do not. What you find funny, I do not. Doesn’t make you or me any less of a “patriot.” I was born on a military base in North Carolina, and then lived on different bases in california until I was around 14 or so, and yet I can still laugh. Just take it all with a grain of salt and realize we dont laugh at the same stuff.
52. Diogenes - November 25th, 2007 at 6:15 pm
Didn’t they– (who “they” are is up to whoever)– ship all the edible underwear- (used ofcoarse) — to Europe because no one else was purchasing it?..Or consuming it for that matter.
twas an after dinner mint from rock munching perhaps.
53. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 6:16 pm
Fallenangel: I am sorry, as I stated in the previous apology, and I will try not to offend as maliciously again. However, as sdggrant has often stated, humor is relative.
54. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 6:22 pm
Uhhh, what diogenes??? That was a total curve ball, lol.
55. SubliminalDeath666 - November 25th, 2007 at 6:23 pm
What about the women!? Most of the chicks in Italy and especially Spain are really beautiful.
56. Fallenangel - November 25th, 2007 at 6:24 pm
I understand that sdggrant, I did not mean to offend, I hope I did not. I can completely see various views of humor. Heck I laugh at some REALLY stupid stuff.
as for an apology Stew, dear, you have the right to say what you think is funny, and I support it. I guess the sterotype of fat and lazy bothers me, especially since I got injured, gained a ton of weight and can’t be anywhere as near as active as I was, but that’s a personal issue. Either how, I concour infectiously… humor is relative… see if you can’t find some dark humor for me would ya
he he
57. Lizzie - November 25th, 2007 at 6:28 pm
With regard to the comment about the smooth sophistication of British accents, you are full of crap. Have you ever heard people speak on Eastenders or Coronation Street? It could make your ears bleed!
58. Yohan - November 25th, 2007 at 6:32 pm
This should be a post comparing the UK and the USA. Europe is not a single country, and the UK is far from a typical European country. In fact, there may not be a “typical” European country. The BBC is not a European organization. Airbus is.
59. PopeNoah - November 25th, 2007 at 6:36 pm
On no.5 you talk about the superfluous ‘U’ and I can’t tell if you don’t like the ‘u’ being in there but I have to say that being a Brit that moved to the U.S. I find it highly annoying when I read words without that ‘u’ in there. It just seems to make more sense with the ‘u’
60. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 6:47 pm
Ok, folks, I can do this all night if you want to. Apparently I made a pretty stupid mistake with this little list and all I can do is try to calm everyone down by reiterating the fact ad nauseum if necessary that this HUMOR. I suppose masking as something else entirely was maybe the first mistake, and next time I try to ‘liven up the room’ I will consider my audience first. I guess I sound like I’m getting a little over zealous here with my continued attempts at covering my ass here, but, as stated, I never guessed I’d receive such scathing and angry comments. That being said, those of you in the crowd who are looking around realizing that this was a comedic piece from the get go, I applaud you.And for the record, again, I LOVE AMERICA and everything in it. It’s home, it is a great place to live, and i wouldn’t change its variety for the world. So, with that, i hope we can close this chapter and just enjoy the list for what it was meant to be. Good evening.
61. Ross - November 25th, 2007 at 6:52 pm
you fuck, You’re an American who just bashes your own country to look good for a bunch of pussy Europeans..
You should of said that the main difference between the U.S. and Europe is that the U.S. has balls and Europe doesn’t…I’ve lived in Denmark for 6 years…the countries are great..it’s the people that are annoying…maby if Europeans didn’t think they were on such high horses, they’d be ok…you also didn’t mention that Europeans don’t bathe everyday and they smell like shit.
62. Juggz - November 25th, 2007 at 6:57 pm
man im gonna have to read through these comments
63. sdggrant - November 25th, 2007 at 6:58 pm
Re-read what you just wrote, Ross… Europeans need to get off THEIR high-horses??? Hopefully your post is just a joke of great distaste, if not then you need to learn to judge people individually and not by their geographic location.
Hopefully you are just an angry teenager, then your ignorance could at least be attributed to something other than stupidity.
64. angelina - November 25th, 2007 at 7:09 pm
Stew: Come on, admit it, you like to get people all riled up!
Good writers always stir the pot. Kudos to you! Loved the list, it was very humoUrous! 
65. Useless - November 25th, 2007 at 7:42 pm
This is so badly flawed and incorrect that it actually offended me. Congratulations.
66. rp - November 25th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
Well, useless, maybe it just confirms that Europeans are also superior to Americans in writing.
67. StewWriter - November 25th, 2007 at 8:04 pm
This just keeps getting better. Yes, Angelina, I really REALLY do!
68. Fe - November 25th, 2007 at 8:55 pm
StewWriter, despite your attempt to be humourous….it just wasn’t very funny. I’ve read satire about the differences between America and [the rest of the world] that literally had me crying I was laughing so hard. Some of my favorite satire makes fun of Southerners and Texans (howdy!) and I don’t get offended easily WHEN IT’S FUNNY. Your list….wasn’t.
69. D Holmes - November 25th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
Claire Modine
“San Francisco (and New York City) can hardly be called representative of America - both are not conservative enough. Go check out Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, or Indiana for real America.”
None of these states are the majority of America and neither are they the the most conservative states in America. I would know, I am from Kansas and I’ve been to all of the states you listed.
Some of the nicest people in the nation and some of the nicest people I’ve ever met period live in those areas.
So don’t try to group people together and act like they are terrible b/c you assume that all people in those areas are conservative (I’m a Kansan and I am definitely not conservative. Though there are a good amount of conservative people here).
Theres nothing wrong in holding your own political beliefs, even if you don’t agree with them.
On another note, before I get thoroughly bashed, the list didn’t bother me in the least. The ignorance of some people is what riles me up.
70. mfacek - November 25th, 2007 at 9:26 pm
This was a horribly made list, not only was it not funny but it was actually mildly offending. I have been coming on this site for awhile and have read most of the lists, but i made this account today just so I could comment and say this is easily my least favorite list ever posted. Not because it bashed Americans, I could really care less, but that it wasn’t at all funny.
A list that was actually funny and was unbiased and bashed both Europeans and Americans or even a list that isn’t humor and actually list bona fide differences between Europeans and Americans would be much more entertaining. Also, This list doesn’t seem to be differences between America and Europe, but America and England. You talk about English accents, English television, and English currency. Come on JFrater! As a big fan of your site I am disappointed you posted a list of this poor quality!
71. mfacek - November 25th, 2007 at 9:32 pm
O and I forgot to mention, Europeans sound sophisticated and Americans sound asinine? Obviously you have never hear a Scottish accent or the Dutch language (It really sounds like a throat disease.) And this is another example of this being a American/English difference list because last time I checked German, Dutch, Polish, Swedish, Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Russian, etc. were languages and not accents.
72. miss_c - November 25th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
Interesting comments and preference is surely subjective on which is better, if such a thing exists
I have to say, this list definitely should be titled “…differences between the U.K. and America”. While certainly a part of the EU, this is more representative of the two countries rather than a true comparison of the entire EU and America.
Btw, I am a North American living in Europe.
73. drb0b - November 25th, 2007 at 10:13 pm
Worst list ever
How could you possibly get so many things wrong? Britain and Europe are not the same yet you talk about the BBC as if it were a pan-European channel rather than just a British TV Channel (Hint, the first B stands for British), you mention pounds as if they were the European currency unit even though they’re only used in the UK, most EU countries use the Euro so what’s the point of using the pound as an example of teh differences between Europe and the USA. How on Earth can Europeans sound British? What about the French, Italians, Germans, and so on - do you seriously believe they all have British accents or that they all speak English, as implied in No 5. So many other errors too. This list is absolute rubbish.
74. Ravi - November 25th, 2007 at 10:28 pm
differences in the power supply is totally ignored.
donno exactly but right hand drive and left….
and i beleive both americans and europeans are very gud at heart ,otherwise they wouldnt have allowed so many indians in
75. chadster - November 25th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
Well… somebody wants to move to England. The prejudice in this article is quite bloody astounding my jolly good chaps, blokes, and mongrels.
76. chadster - November 25th, 2007 at 10:51 pm
Also… the list has absolutely nothing to do with Europe…duh.
77. The Dum Guy - November 25th, 2007 at 11:59 pm
I would’ve gone with at least the difference in Americans being gun-happy psychos and Europeans being drugged-up (see: Amsterdam) socialist, but only to offend and in bad taste.
I say that as someone who sleeps with several guns in my house and who is keen on living life better thru chemistry (most of the time nature’s chemistry).
78. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 12:09 am
I have to say I am at a bit of a loss with this one - normally when there are so many complaints I would modify the list to correct problems but I am not sure that would help! Maybe we can just all put it behind us and move on to the next lists - what do you say?
79. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 12:10 am
On second thoughts, I am going to make a few tweaks. Stay tuned.
80. sdggrant - November 26th, 2007 at 12:11 am
Problem isn’t the list, it’s the uptight people >=(
81. Samardeep - November 26th, 2007 at 1:04 am
Very informative article. I was not aware that there are so many differences between Europe and America.
82. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 1:10 am
Okay - I have gone through and edited this list - I have taken in to account all of the comments here, so thank you (even to those who were vitriolic!) I have given it a more Euro-centered slant than UK-centered.
83. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 1:12 am
Samardeep: please don’t advertise your website in your comments - It makes more work for me as I have to edit them. Draw traffic to your site with good content, not spam
84. lola - November 26th, 2007 at 2:20 am
Every person has a right to be patriotic, and because mostly Americas read this site, the commentors are predominantly offended and defensive. I myself have lived nine years in America, six years in England and and ten years in Europe. All these places are great, but without a doubt Europe is the best! The history, the architecture, the beauty, everything everything. I adore Europe.
85. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 2:24 am
lola: you are right - generally we try to not show any negative bias here - but occasionally it slips through
I have edited the list now to rectify this.
86. lola - November 26th, 2007 at 2:46 am
Jamie-about getting a green card, you either marry an american which is the quickest way, or you find work in america which you are extremely good at, and then the boss/company will sponsor you to get a greencard, so you can continue working for them.
87. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 2:48 am
lola: have they not made the marriage law tougher now?
88. lola - November 26th, 2007 at 2:51 am
I am not sure, but if you marry for love, it works. Thats how I got my card, and now I am a US citizen.
89. Sandra - November 26th, 2007 at 2:59 am
sdggrant– no, he’s not sleeping in the doghouse, fortunately he thinks i’m the most beautiful creature in the world.
lola– unfortunately about greencards, my bf is here on a work sponsored visa of a british company, which means he can not work for anyother company unless he gets his own visa, which can take up to a year to receive. As for the marriage, well, we have to many problems in our relaionship as it is without adding marriage. I wonder if theres a way we could get a greencard using his relationship to our daughter?
90. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 3:39 am
lola: oh - of course if it is a legitimate marriage it would be fine - but I thought that there were many checks in place to ensure that they are.
Sandra: If you both have a child together that must count for something surely? I think it does in the UK.
91. Drogo - November 26th, 2007 at 4:07 am
America is vast enough that it has regions that are culturally different than other regions, There are regions that have their own personalities, and are almost like countries within a country. California and Texas are almost countries of their own. The regions are like clusters of neighboring states or areas where people from similar backgrounds still have some influences of the cultures of their ancestors (Immigrants), the population density, the local weather and even the terrain of their area. There are differences between the New England states and the Mid-Atlantic, which is different than the Midwest, the Pacific Northwest, the Southern states, the Southeastern states, etc.
I’m just saying this to point out to people who have only visited one part of the U.S.A, like if they went on vacation (or holiday) to Disneyland, that they shouldn’t think that all of America and Americans are exactly the same.
92. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 4:27 am
Drogo: I definitely have plans to visit other parts of the US.
93. Drogo - November 26th, 2007 at 4:39 am
Yes, you would be surprised at how different New York is from North Dakota.
94. Zack - November 26th, 2007 at 5:22 am
Hi, I would add that cricket und rugby are not among first 4 sports in continental Europe.
I am almost sure that in continental Europe, besides soccer, basketball and handball are among most popular 4 sports.
Cricket is played only in UK, and rugby is very popular in France also.
I am not sure about Ireland.
95. Dandelion - November 26th, 2007 at 6:20 am
I thought this list was about the differences between America and EUROPE, not America and Britain. This list really was quite bad.
96. Shabab - November 26th, 2007 at 8:07 am
95 comments…Wow…I havent read each n evry one so i dont kno if it has been said already…..BOOBS….yes boobs….Europe has so much more boobs….evrywhere….on tv, at the beach etc….come to think of it the first time i saw a pair( i was 5) was on a hotel tv in brussells…..it was a soap commercial and they even had boobs there…..
97. Emily - November 26th, 2007 at 8:22 am
wow this list has got a lot of comments!!
someone mentioned healthcare not being on the list… that’s what I was thinking.
And I don’t understand #9. It doesn’t sound like there was any difference listed. No offense, whoever wrote this, but this list kinda sucked.
98. Marco - November 26th, 2007 at 8:24 am
Not my favourite list. Too much generalization, too heavy on England, and little appreciation for regional differences within the US or Europe.
99. Patrask - November 26th, 2007 at 8:48 am
Sweden does not have Euro because it sucks. Also, since Norway isn’t a member it makes Sweden and Finland look like male genitalia.
Take a look: http://www.micc.org.mt/wimages/Euro_coins.jpg
Seriously, WTF is that?
100. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 8:55 am
Patrask: hahah. I certainly wish that England would get with the program and adopt the Euro as well. It would certainly make holidays to France easier.
101. rp - November 26th, 2007 at 9:25 am
You removed the blatant anti-American slant. Too bad, as it will kill the digg numbers.
102. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 9:36 am
rp: I did - though the digg numbers were unlikely to have moved much more as they seldom will if you only reach the top 40s by the end of the day.
103. Randall - November 26th, 2007 at 10:44 am
You can’t win, can you, jfrater? My sympathies.
This wasn’t such a bad list. Of course, I only saw it post-tweak.
But you know—what Americans (who have an inferiority complex about Europe) need to know is that there is *tons* of stupidity and bad taste and a *lot* of white trash in Europe. (Trust me on this one, I know). I mean…. come on, think about it… these things were *invented* in Europe. We just imported them. The Europeans simply have an easier time covering it up, because at the opposite end of their spectrum, they have their tremendous, ages-old culture to hide behind.
On the other hand, gung ho Americans need to realize that we *don’t* have some corner on great living in this country; we have much to be proud of, but also much to be ashamed about. We should stop ignoring that, and ‘fess up to it. The fact remains that to this day the greatest contribution America has made to Western civilization is the combined codification of our political philosophy in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and Bill of Rights. Yes, we’ve played an important role in history… but artistically, culturally, intellectually… we’ve given the world very little as of yet beyond those aforementioned great documents, some good films, (but not as many as we think) and of course popular music—probably the second best thing we’ve delivered. Yup, we’ve offered economic opportunity to people… and we’ve certainly given back, altruistically, to those in need. But human life is also more than that, and much of what we offer doesn’t go beyond the limits of sustenance and material satisfaction–because these happen to be the things we’re most concerned with at home.
Europeans, on the other *other* hand, sometimes need to get off their collective high horse and admit once and for all that America saved Western civilization in the 20th century; this is no jingoistic flag-waving claim, but simple fact. Without America, the world today would be sunk in a barbaric nightmare of totalitarian horror. Whether German or Russian, we and only we had the power to face it and prevent its tide from sweeping you all away. Yes, the Brits deserve great credit for facing the Nazi threat alone for a time–but even Churchill knew that without America, Britain was doomed. And without America, Europe itself would have been doomed to Soviet domination after the war.
And I hate George Bush as much as anyone—but all this talk about “American Empire” is *still* just largely that–talk. I agree the threat of it should be taken seriously, as long as American greed runs our foreign policy… but then again, up to now America has never sought or taken the *real* kind of national aggrandizement that truly defines an imperial power. I find it especially irksome when Brits harp on this—a people who built the largest empire the world has ever seen (and empires, as we know, live entirely on subjugation and exploitation) and they have the nerve to bitch about American imperial pretensions. Check the beam in your own eye, my friends, before you deign to lecture me on the mote in mine.
104. dangorironhide - November 26th, 2007 at 10:51 am
Well said Randall, though I think if Europe needs to accept that America saved them, America needs to accept that they should have come to their allies aid earlier, instead of when it suited them.
105. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 11:01 am
Randall: I would say that America has also contributed more to the world of Opera (the study of the voice - not necessarily the repertoire) and poetry/literature in the 20th century than any other country. The American method of opera singing is the highest quality around now, and the 20th century literature of people like Ginsberg, Plath, WCW, etc. is monumental.
And Randall, thanks for such a decent comment - for the most part I agree with your sentiments.
106. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 11:02 am
Oh - and you are right - we can’t win, but that is all part of the experience
107. Randall - November 26th, 2007 at 11:38 am
jfrater:
Thanks much… see, I CAN be decent… when I don’t have crackpots attacking me.
But I’ll tell you something, Jamie. I’m a writer, as it happens, and work in academia. One of the degrees I hold is in English Lit. And I’ll admit, there’s been some very good American literature. And I’m not one of those who feel the *English* are the best representatives of their own literature. In fact, if you look at that last couple hundred years, you see that, aside from DH Lawrence, Orwell and a few others, most of the giants of “English” literature were not English–but Irish (Joyce), American (Eliot, etc.) and so on.
All the same, I leave our (American) contribution to literature out because I feel it’s been very limited in scope and quality. A few greats—but not that many—and a multitude of mediocrities. And I don’t share your enthusiasm for Ginsburg or Plath, or even William Carlos Williams. I detest Hemingway. I *am* a great admirer of Henry Miller—and he’s been a huge influence on my own writing—but I also acknowledge his many faults as a writer.
These, of course, are only my own opinions… but looking back over the history of the US… I don’t feel our literary output has yet come up to snuff… nor will it, probably, for a very long time, as we seem to have entered a very non-literary age.
But then again, maybe I’m too dismissive of American authors and poets. I’m the first to admit that I’m biased towards European output of the early 20th century.
But you’ve given me an idea for a list or two… I might just be sending you something in future, if you’re open to it.
108. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 11:49 am
Randall: absolutely send some in - I would be very interested to see a list on great American literature that manages to exclude the names I mentioned above! How can you not like Ginsberg and Plath? Howl and Daddy are astonishing in their clarity and dark beauty! Are you one of those Kerouac haters too?
What do you think of Burroughs (he is one of my favorite writers).
109. Randall - November 26th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Now now, Jamie… I didn’t say I *hated* Ginsburg or Plath… I just don’t hold them in the high esteem you apparently do.
And no, I’m not one of those Kerouac haters. I like Kerouac well enough.
As for Burroughs, you know… as Burroughs himself was something of a follower of Henry Miller, I have, therefore, some small affinity for Burroughs. But the circumstances of his life have always made me queasy–drug abuse, murder, etc. I realize this isn’t fair–one’s supposed to judge the work, not the artist–but sometimes the life intrudes on the art, as it were.
But see… there’s the pattern you often see; when people talk about American literature, they very often bring up the Beats and only the Beats… Kerouac, Brautigan, Burroughs, Kesey…. and my reaction is that I find some of their individual works to be important and good, but *overall* I see the Beats as a dead end, and all the surrealism and angst bores me after a time.
Miller, on the other hand, was life-affirming, and I’ve always preferred the call to life over the squashy, squalid, and miserable.
110. el duderino - November 26th, 2007 at 1:08 pm
Which America does one compare? Glendo Wyoming and Boston’s Back Bay have much less in common than NYC, London and Paris do.
Americans are on the whole much more conservative than our European cousins. Witness the age of constitution compared the relative youth of our republic. We have had one type of government here for the last 231 years. How many governments has France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Portugal even Britain had during that same period?
111. jfrater - November 26th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
el duderino: Britain has had the same governmental system (in essence) since the Magna Carta in the 1200s (I think 1200s). France got their government shortly before yours and it has been the same in principle since then. Spain still has the King and Queen - the same as before Franco (giving them at least 1,000 years of the same government), with Franco holding their place for them during the communists attempts to take over. I don’t know about Portugal. Italy has been a mess for the last 200 years.
Randall: I appreciate what you are saying - though I don’t generally find the beatniks to be anti-life - I find Burroughs work very inspiring and it enhances my life!
112. Randall - November 26th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
jfrater/el duderino: (nice moniker there, by the way, “el duderino.” Is that written in some neo-goth script with flaming decals on the side of your van?)
Some small corrections: jfrater is skirting the truth a tad when he says Britain has had the same governmental system (in essence) since the Magna Charta. Now now, Jamie… let’s be honest with the boy; while it’s true we can call Britain a constitutional monarchy all through that period, it’s equally true that A) there was a great governmental reform in Britain in the 1820s which *in actuality* created the British government we know today–more or less–whereas prior to that time the government was far more at the whim of the King, and the system of representation–no to mention suffrage–was far more limited and was by no means actual democracy. B) Also, you forget that little episode with Cromwell… you know, King being beheaded and all that, a revolutionary government subsequently overthrown in its turn… small point, that.
On the other hand, we CAN say that, aside from the aforementioned governmental reforms, Britain HAS had essentially the same system since the United States officially became a nation.
Now, with France, Jamie… come now. It went from monarchy to revolutionary state to totalitarian nightmare to imperial monarchy, back to standard monarchy, then into another revolution, another imperial monarchy, onto democratic (more or less) parliamentary state… then conquered by the Nazis, then free state again, then near-revolution in 1968… I think it’s fair to say that France was less than consistently governed during the 230 year period “el dude” is referring to.
As for Burroughs, to each his own… again, I don’t dislike his work, I’m just not a big fan of the Beats in general, is really all I mean to say.
113. mfacek - November 26th, 2007 at 1:55 pm
Jfrater- Great job updating the list!
114. shaunism - November 26th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Hmmm… did Sweden, Denmark, Bulgaria and Romania adopt the euro while I wasn’t watching?
115. D Holmes - November 26th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Drogo - Very well put.
I’m glad somebody came up and said it.
And that doesn’t necessarily apply just to Americans though.
People will go to one part of a country or maybe meet a few tourists from that country visiting their own (tourists are the worst representation of a country and a culture b/c they are in unfamiliar ground where their rules don’t apply) and they automatically assume that EVERYONE from that country or culture is the same. Its a terrible assumption.
For example, its like that stupid Canadian bit “Talking With Americans”. All they do (Jay Leno does the same thing with “Jay Walking” with less emphasis on stupid Americans) is ask people questions and edit out ALL of the intelligent answers and leave in the small amount of really stupid answers. Though they are trying to be humorous, people take it the wrong way and assume EVERY American is that stupid.
Just search for those bits on Youtube (which contains some of the worst people on the internet) and read the comments.
116. Ashley - November 26th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
WOW.
I quite liked the list
… although I would have liked to see it before the editing so I could see what all the fuss is about.
Maybe do one about Canadians vs Americans next time!? From what I hear the rivalry is similar to Kiwis and Australians.
I love this site!!!
117. whisperingishard - November 26th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
jfrater, I must confess, I didn’t read all of the comments so the offer may already have been posed, but if you’re looking for an American to marry, I’m game! I love the List Universe and as you are its creator, I’m sure I will love you too!
I’m not blonde and must also disclose that I live in Central Ohio which, while not as glamorous as California, is friendly and quaint. Anyway, love the site.
118. Kelsi - November 26th, 2007 at 7:59 pm
“Also, European lights switch off in the opposite direction to American lights.”
O.O
NO WAY. That’s nuts. Why?
And Randall: I think I agree with you for one of the fist times ever. You actually haven’t totally gotten my blood up with your post. =p Good defense. I enjoyed reading it.
As for the list itself…not funny. I only saw it post-editing, so not terrible anyway, but definately not humorous.
119. nopunynerd - November 26th, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Drogo: I think “Top 10 Ways New York is Different from North Dakota” is an outstanding idea for a list!
StewWriter: How ’bout it, Michigan boy?
120. el duderino - November 26th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Cromwell’s Britain was no small coda to the history of British governance. Hell, Cromwell had Charles I beheaded and made himself Lord Protector, surely an unprecedented form of government in Britain and then set up the English Republic, ravaged Catholic Ireland and Scotland.
The French have had more governments than baths. I know it’s been like 60 years or so but the guys in charge of France during WWII and who ruled from Vichy were just like the Nazis only not as effective nor as well dressed. De gaul headed the Free French government in exile in London and Algiers while he was tried in absentia in Vichy France and sentenced to death for treason.
Spain’s constitution is less than thirty years old. Yeah the have had a monarchy for millenia, but the Spanish monarchs haven’t always been Spanish, i.e. Joseph Bonaparte. Then there’s the governments of military dictators de Rivera and Franco, giving way to Juan Carlos II in the 20th century. As late as 1981 the military has tried to take over the Spanish government.
Now Europeans are governed to some extent by the EU. Americans would never allow themselves to be governed by any pencil necked apparatchik in Brussels. Never.
Randall, no regrettably el duderino is merely my bogging/online name.
121. rp - November 26th, 2007 at 9:13 pm
For those who missed it, Stew probably pressed the boundaries of good taste. And considering the amount and venom of the responses, it could be considered a success, actually. And, given what I know now, I’m a bit embarrassed to have taken it seriously.
Really, when you look at the number one subject on the list (which has since been changed to something far more sensical) it was obviously meant as a joke. Was it satire or more a reflection of the author’s take on his own country’s shortcomings? Up to the viewer, I guess.
122. StewWriter - November 26th, 2007 at 9:34 pm
nopunynerd: Perhaps, perhaps… I have been to both, but, considering my current track record for state and country comparisons, I think I’ll steer clear of that potential blast radius.
re: Thank you. I do believe that sums it up. And, despite my chastising and verbal waylaying, at least you can all take part in reading my other, far superior and less pointless, lists. Sometimes humor is about as well placed as a exhaust backfire: it’s messy and it stinks.
123. rp - November 26th, 2007 at 10:10 pm
No need for apologies, as I know how difficult it really is to compile good lists.
Personally, I’m working on a few lists for the site, but I will be the first to admit that it is very VERY difficult to come up with something that is interesting and informative. Everything has been pretty much been taken, as you know.
For the most part it’s a matter of cleaning up and/or improving the most basic of them and going on from there… or coming up with something really different which takes unusual creativity and imagination. And then there is the further matter of writing ability, which so few of us possess.
124. lola - November 27th, 2007 at 1:16 am
Jamie—–when you apply for a green card through marriage you need to prove that your marriage is real. This includes joint bank account, joint tax return documents, the same address, photographs of your life together, such as wedding,(though not nesesary) on holiday, at home ect.. If you have a very good friend to help you do this you can pull it off. I have seen it done many times. The most nerve raking step of the process is when you go in for an interview with one of their government workers, you need to look in love, because they are the ones who make the decision, whether to grant you a card or not.
125. jfrater - November 27th, 2007 at 1:31 am
lola: wow - that is a lot of effort!
126. blaaaah - November 27th, 2007 at 4:51 am
for the most of it, this list is bullshit.
you compare Europe and USA like Europe is a country, but you seem to know that it isn’t. for example the !st difference: government of the EU does not rule Europe as a country, and governments of individual countries in Europe ARE dividied in judicial, legislative and executive. Reading the first difference, being crap, I say that everything else in this list, but the last paragraph is also crap.
this doesnt mean I dont enjoy the rest of your site.
127. Randall - November 27th, 2007 at 7:02 am
dangorironhide:
I agree 100%, though to be fair we must remember it was a different world then, and Americans at the time found it far more loathsome than they do today, to get involved in the affairs of foreign nations—except for our little neighbors to the South, of course, whom we were all too willing to invade and otherwise push around as it suited us.
el dude:
Really, you should think about the van.
128. DiscHuker - November 27th, 2007 at 7:56 am
wow, i can’t believe nobody did this yet…
Vincent Vega: [Y]ou know what the funniest thing about Europe is?
Jules Winnfield: What?
Vincent Vega: It’s the little differences. I mean they got the same shit over there that they got here, but it’s just, just there it’s a little different.
Jules Winnfield: Example.
Vincent Vega: Alright, well you can walk into a movie theater and buy a beer. And, I don’t mean just like a paper cup, I’m talking about a glass of beer. And, in Paris, you can buy a beer in McDonald’s. You know what they call a Quarter Pounder with Cheese in Paris?
Jules Winnfield: They don’t call it a Quarter Pounder with Cheese?
Vincent Vega: No, man, they got the metric system, they don’t know what the fuck a Quarter Pounder is.
Jules Winnfield: What do they call it?
Vincent Vega: They call it a Royal with Cheese.
Jules Winnfield: Royal with Cheese.
Vincent Vega: That’s right.
Jules Winnfield: What do they call a Big Mac?
Vincent Vega: Big Mac’s a Big Mac, but they call it Le Big Mac.
Jules Winnfield: Le Big Mac. What do they call a Whopper?
Vincent Vega: I don’t know. I didn’t go into Burger King. You know what they put on French fries in Holland instead of ketchup?
Jules Winnfield: What?
Vincent Vega: Mayonnaise.
Jules Winnfield: Goddamn.
Vincent Vega: I’ve seen ‘em do it, man. They fucking drown ‘em in that shit.
i just had to get that off my chest.
JFray, is there a way to see the original list. i was so confused as to why everyone was so upset. then, after reading 81 comments, i saw that the list had been changed.
i promise i won’t get mad stewie!!
129. dangorironhide - November 27th, 2007 at 8:07 am
Mmmmm, I love mayonnaise on my chips
Mayonnaise is one big thing for me that KFC has over Macdonalds
130. fleur-de-lis - November 27th, 2007 at 11:11 am
Well, reading through all these comments I’ll just say one thing: EVERY region in the world has it’s pros and cons, it’s charms, and it’s bad sides. But at the end of the day it all depends on the individual him/herself as to how they perceive these…
I call Vancouver (BC, Canada) my HOME, and I just LOVE it, there is no other way to put it!!!
–It does have a lot of rain, granted, but many have still named it the number 1 city to lie in, in the word
I haven’t lived here my whole life though. I was born in Bosnia-Herzegovina, where I spent my childhood, and I loved it there. The country is amazing. The people even more so. When I go there to visit family and old friends I’m always amazed as to how friendly and happy all the people are, even after all what they’ve been through during the Serbian aggression.
Also, I lived in Croatia for some time, and I loved it there too… The people are awesome and the culture too. The nature, the sea, countless islands…
I’ve traveled throughout the Europe, and EVERYWHERE I’ve been to I enjoyed the people, the culture, and the settings they live in. (I love history, so I may actually move back to Europe sometime, for that reason alone. There is tons to see. Although I love Vancouver, I miss that aspect of things… For instance, Vancouver is just about 150 years old).
On this side of the globe I’ve been to a number of cities in the states (mostly west coast), and again I must say the people are VERY friendly, open, and easy going.
Different people, cultures, cuisines, languages, countries, etc. are here for us to explore.
Wouldn’t it be boring if everything, everywhere were the same.
Carpe diem.
131. Shawna - November 28th, 2007 at 12:51 am
Main difference….
Europe is a Continent.
America is a Country.
Most of the differences make alot of sense now huh?
132. shaunism - November 28th, 2007 at 3:33 am
As an ex-New Yorker, I would love to see a top 10 differences between NYC and WY.
On a similar vein, for a good read, look at this –> http://members.aol.com/david10567/journal.htm
It’s the journal of a Texan’s experience of moving to New York. Quite entertaining and insightful.
Cheers,
Shaun
133. rbR - November 28th, 2007 at 6:58 am
Here in South Africa, we lean more to the Europeans, though I’d say more British, Dutch and French.
I guess that will derive from Colonial times, since the Europeans were basically the “founders” and colonisers of many of the Southern African countries. Basic stuff like driving on the left hand side of the road, we got from the British.
134. NoPunyNerd - November 28th, 2007 at 8:40 am
shaun: really enjoyed David Bell’s journal … thanks for the link. I recently moved back to Houston after being away for years. Top 10 Differences Between NYC and WY sounds great.
Penny
135. lordtoran - November 28th, 2007 at 1:49 pm
The list is far too focused on the UK, which is not really seen (especially culturally) as a part of Europe. Some corrections here from Germany, which is a far more typical European country.
10. Government: Quite right as it is written.
9. Television: You have a lot of TV options in Germany, either digital or analog; terrestrial, cable or satellite. You get a few hundred channels, if you like, via digital satellite.
There are two nationally funded channels (ARD and ZDF) and two dozen or so regional (on the state level) “third programs” like WDR and NDR. All of them are advertising-free. The commercial channels are usually in the hand of a few media empires and full of crazy reality shows no sane human (even including Americans) would watch.
8. Meal times and etiquette: I live in a major urban agglomeration, and no supermarket is more than five minutes by foot away. Huge malls/shopping centers are not that common as in the US (2 in my city of 400000), but there is usually at least one hypermarket in every city district or smaller town.
7. Shops: Open air markets and mom-and-pop stores? Maybe in rural Romania. Where I live, you go to the supermarket or one of the large specialty stores because there are not many other options.
6. Money: Prices also increased in Germany when the Euro was introduced in 2001 because the retailers saw the opportunity to round up by a few cents. But competition between the retailer chains removed that effect quite soon.
5. Language: Germans and Scandinavians are probably the best non-native English speakers. But in France and southern Europe, you will have a VERY hard time trying to communicate in English, as I know from experience.
4. Sports: Cricket? Rugby? Is that something you can eat? Germany and most other European countries are all about soccer, soccer and soccer. Maybe sometimes Tennis, if there is nothing better on TV.
3. Cooking: Whether European food is healthier or not healthier than American food is arguable, but Americans apparently eat more strongly preprocessed fast food. Where I live, there is a very diverse and international fast food and snack culture. Most of it definitely has more vitamins than Big Mac & Co., because it visibly contains uncooked vegetables.
2. Drinking: Poor Americans. Germany is not especially liberal with drinking age for European standards, but it still means you can drink in the public with 16 and consume the stronger booze with 18.
The funny thing is: Because Germany is so liberal with drinking in public places, you actually DON’T SEE many drunk people on the street, which on the other hand is a major problem in the UK.
1. Day to day: Ok, the intersection stuff makes me finally think the Brits are some really crazy folks
German intersections have four-stage traffic lights (red, red+yellow, green, yellow) and when there are none, there are stop/yield/right of way signs. Without signs, there is a right-before-left rule, e.g. you have to give right of way to everyone right of you.
You can only turn right at a red light if there is that small green arrow sign next to it, and only after you have stopped and ensured it is possible without endangering someone.
136. Jay - November 28th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Bonnie: “I love America fiercely. We save our lands, we protect our forests and wilderness, we battle oil spills and regulate our industry so we don’t hurt our wild life.”
LOL! That’s because you invade and ruin everybody else’s lands, cut down their trees, steal their oil and and regulate your industry by putting their children to work to make shoes!!! God bless America hey…
137. evan - November 28th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Jay what country do you live in?
138. Jay - November 28th, 2007 at 3:48 pm
UK originally but I emigrated several years ago.
139. D Holmes - November 28th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
Shawna -
“Main difference….
Europe is a Continent.
America is a Country.
Most of the differences make alot of sense now huh?”
No, no, no.
America is not a country, but a region comprising of two continents and in the list’s case, Northern America .
The United States OF America is a country.
Nice try.
140. sdggrant - November 28th, 2007 at 10:22 pm
D Holmes -
Aren’t you nitpicking a bit? It was understood that by saying America, she was refering to the United States of America. Most Amerians just say “america” when refering to our country, maybe it was just lost in translation?
edited for a typo!
141. sdggrant - November 28th, 2007 at 10:26 pm
Jay, every country exploits countries less powerful than itself, I’m not saying its right, but it happens. You say you are from the UK? The UK is the origional SUPER-empire and most african and asian coutries are still fucked up due to colonization by English and European nations.
I remember hearing a corny saying when I was little - “Everytime you point a finger, there are three pointing right back at you.”
Cheers!
142. Jay - November 28th, 2007 at 10:40 pm
I’m not disagreeing with you. I was merely pointing out how ridiculous the statement from Bonnie was. And it’s slightly Ironic that Americans feel so proud of their country and swear allegiance to their flag, when the only other people to do the same are from the places the USA are at odds with, like N. Korea, Iran, Iraq etc. But I guess that irony is lost on most Americans..
Not having a go at Americans, just making a point. You won’t find too many Europeans making statements like that about their home country. Most have an inherent cynicism and mistrust of their Govt.
That’s probably the biggest difference.
143. Jay - November 28th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Oh, and BTW, although the British Empire was certainly not saintly, it didn’t just rape the counties for local resources. Most of the countries it took over it left better off. It gave many countries education, sanitation, infrastructure, medicine, stable government… the list goes on.
It was motivated by the greed and want for local resources, granted, but it wasn’t all bad. Look at Australia, India, Hong Kong, and let’s not forget the good old USA… If there’s one thing the Brits know how to do it’s run an occupied country! Lol
144. sdggrant - November 28th, 2007 at 11:10 pm
The USA has its own god examples as well. Just take a look at Singapore. Puerto Rico? How about post WWII Japan, the US did alot to bring them back on their feet, and it shows with the good relations we still have with them today. I dont think there is any one horrible country in the world. Only horrible leader.
I agree with you in that the US gov has a bad rep for real and some good reasons. The US might be no holds barred when it comes to dealing with other countries, but it protects the basic rights of those living under her. Presidents will come and go, but life for americans really wont change much due to the way our system of gov works. As long as this system stays in place I’ll always be a loyal American.
Take Bush for instance, the last 4 years my life and the lives of my friends and family has improved, even though Bush is a dimwit. The system of checks and balances ensures that one man(even our own leader) will not be able to drastically change our way of life.
I think that all nations will, to some degree, have the same successes and failures due a common trait shared by all. We are all human. All humans fuck up, its inevitable.
145. sdggrant - November 28th, 2007 at 11:15 pm
I’m a bit tipsy right now, sorry if I’m all over the place
146. Useless - November 28th, 2007 at 11:38 pm
“Well, useless, maybe it just confirms that Europeans are also superior to Americans in writing.”
I’m British, genius. It was the descriptions of Europe I found offensive.
147. Jay - November 29th, 2007 at 12:21 am
Randall: Your claim Europe would have been doomed if the USA hadn’t stopped Russia? An outrageous, exaggerated claim that is purely speculative. It was pushed by the USA at the time in order to give the Govt. carte blanche on carrying out it’s foreign policy pertaining to it’s anti-communist ideals.
Secondly America was selling arms and supplies to the Allies way before they joined the war, choosing to profit from the Nazi onslaught before being forced into the war by Pearl Harbor in 1941. Hardly something to be proud of.
Also the Russian casualties in WW2 fighting the Nazis were more than all other allied casualties combined. Giving sole credit to the USA for saving the world from being “sunk in a barbaric nightmare of totalitarian horror” is a little over the top, if not patronising and frankly disrespectful to those that sacrificed themselves from day one. Not to mention the “dangerous” state of the world today, due largely, again, to American foreign policy. America carries much of the blame for the anti-western feeling among the Muslin nations, so claiming the USA is making the world a safer place is quite bizarre.
And people “bitch about American imperial pretensions” because the rest of the world has learnt from long gone empires and their mistakes, it’s just America that sees it necessary to invade countries that have never posed a threat to them.. Altruism you say? I think US foreign policy is the absolute antithesis of altruism. You couldn’t be more wrong.
But hey, that’s just my opinion.
148. Jay - November 29th, 2007 at 12:36 am
And don’t get me wrong - I know I sound like I’m just having a go at Americans but I’m not. I like America, have many American Friends. It just upsets me when the US tries to re-write history and ignore the more unattractive aspects of past and present governments.
149. sdggrant - November 29th, 2007 at 12:59 am
“Secondly America was selling arms and supplies to the Allies way before they joined the war, choosing to profit from the Nazi onslaught before being forced into the war by Pearl Harbor in 1941. Hardly something to be proud of.”
Whoa whoa whoa, there was no need for us to be involved in WW2 until Pearl Harbor, USA tried to keep our nose clean, isn’t that what the rest of the world wishes we would do now? No one allied nation is resposible for “winning the war” but it could be argued that America entering the war tipped the scales in favor of the allies.
Also, during the Amerian civil war (more american casualties than all other wars combined) the UK and FRANCE did nothing but profit from the war, while refusing to take sides. They refused to takes sides until it was clear that one side would be able to win on its own. In other words, they only wanted to step in at the last minute, when the smoke was clearing, and try to gain a new foothold on American soil.
And for christs fucking sake, Jay. America has done NOTHING that the core European (UK icluded) nations have not done. The only difference is that we did them AFTER. The reason for that is because we just got a LATE START.
The USA has tons of idiots within its borders, unfortunately they are usually the most outspoken individuals. Most of these idiots think that the USA can do nothing wrong and mouth off like they actually know something. Ignore these people, you seem like an intelligent person, Jay, so just ignore the idiots. Say what you need to say, but realize that America has dont nothing that Europe hasnt done, you guys just got a head start.
150. Jay - November 29th, 2007 at 1:58 am
I pretty much agree with you sdggrant. The only thing I would say different is that the USA did these things, and continues to do, AFTER everyone else as you say, with the benefit of the history books, which is pretty bad in this modern age.
But you are right, every country on the planet has blood on it’s hands, there is no denying that. I agree completely. I am indeed guilty of getting angry due to the louder ignorants out there..
I was basically replying to the post from Randall as it got under my skin. Will commence with ignoring post haste.
151. shaunism - November 29th, 2007 at 2:09 am
I am a New York expat living in London and I love America too; if by “America” you are talking about everything East of the Hudson and West of San Francisco Bay.
sdggrant: You are right - “America” means the USA; if people mean North or South America, they say that, or both, “The Americas”. Of course, if you’re from Texas, it’s “Amurka”.
152. shaunism - November 29th, 2007 at 2:30 am
Re: WWII - America actually stayed out of the war because of a strong isolationist mentality prevailing amongst the population of the time. Roosevelt actually thought America should go to war, but knew there was no way the public would support it (hence all the conspiracy theories that he ‘let’ Pearl Harbor happen, akin to those that Bush ‘let’ 9/11 happen…).
Truth is, until Europe was decimated by WWII, America was a pretty inconsequential country, almost a backwater on the edge of the world - I think most people just wanted to stay safely on their comfortable, spacious continent and let the world get on with its own affairs.
As I said, I am from New York (I don’t lay claim to any part of North America off the island of Manhattan), and I have great misgivings about America and its current policies. However, I do find it a bit frustrating that America is demonised for its heavy hand, but conversely is expected to step in whenever there is trouble. Unfortunately, you can’t have it both ways. I think, on balance, it’s much better America’s no longer isolationist, and I hope the recent mistakes are just blips and not a foreshadow of a consistent new American Way.
153. Cyn - November 29th, 2007 at 2:40 am
shaunism..”Of course, if you’re from Texas, it’s “Amurka”.”
hey, not all Texans talk like that.
i don’t.
154. shaunism - November 29th, 2007 at 2:45 am
Cyn: Thanks for taking my light-hearted fun the way it was meant to; after I posted that I read more of the posts and realised I could’ve opened up another flame war. Whoops!
You know, I was just thinking about how everywhere has its points to be proud of and its points to laugh about, and how they each attract different sorts. My friend David said very wisely about New York “Your family and friends from back home will hate New York for all the reasons you love it.” I think that is a brilliant insight and can be said about most everywhere.
155. Cyn -