This is to say that I am sorry for publishing the list on mass murders. I should have been more thorough in my checking of the numbers and I should have followed my first instinct (which normally I do) regarding the especially controversial subject matter. We have in the past had a “your view” on the same topic and it was no where near as controversial as today’s list was.
I value the majority opinion of the readers here, and it is for that reason that the list is now removed. The majority of people were extremely unhappy with the list so it is now gone. I am sorry to those of you who were commenting when the list vanished – there is no way for me to remove a list without that risk.
In closing, I would just like to repeat: I am sorry.
Ain’t your fault, honest mistake.
What was the list about?, i know the tittle, but what did it was referring to?
what happened????
Good call for deleting it.
It was controversial because it dealt with the issue of abortion.
We will not however, start the discussion again here.
Best not to ask, may start it up again
It was not your fault, Jafe. I say the fault lies with those who have nothing better to do at the computer than get angry. It’s like a rug. They gotta have their fix. At someone else’s expense, is the name of the game.
like a drug, I meant to type.
It is not an easy thing to apologize for something that you personally dont feel you have the wrong ideas about, I personally dont think I would be big enough to do this. So wow
But more importantly the ability to listen to the voices of your viewers and have their will be done though it is not always your own is an amazing quality to have.
The numbers in the list were false, and the author admitted to falsifying information, and that he really only wanted to create the most controversial list. Or so I’ve been told. Assuming that is accurate, I imagine that that was a major factor in removing it, not just the angry comments. Although that would do it too.
Wow… whats the point even having this site, if you can’t post a whole bunch of controversial stuff? What a bunch of *****es…
It was a good list except for #1. It obviously had no place on that list and had you left it off there would have been little problem other than the number of native Americans murdered.
@12
Do not go over all the arguments again, let it rest ffs.
thank you.
hear hear
Thank you.
jfrater, I had read the list before it was removed. I think that deleting it was the mistake, not posting it in the first place.
Lists, news reports, movies etc. that touch on the historical facts surrounding genocide and colonial occupation are always going to stir up controversy, mainly because many people don’t understand that by pointing out that colonising societies all but wiped out indigenous populations, a fact is being expressed instead of blame being apportioned to people who live in those settler societies. I live in Australia, and this country has a hard time recognising and acknowledging the historical and ongoing abuses committed against our Indigenous people.
Whether or not the numbers were out (and with Indigenous Australians, you underestimated by a couple of hundred thousand), this list was an important one for people to read, critique and discuss.
So, by removing this list, you may have stopped controversial statements being made in the comments, but you have also severed a rare avenue for meaningful debate and dialogue between people who agree and disagree. In essence, you have given in to the majority who unwilling to accept the historical reality of the atrocities people commit against one another based upon race.
You better be sorry.
@Dervis_khan (9): I think jfrater has always been pretty good to the readers. He has posted plenty of things he doesn’t agree with, keeping personal opinion out of his decision to publish. He also has replies to comments (as much as he can), both on the thread and off. For example, I submitted the scary roads list, but it was very short. But, rather than trash it (the submission form states that most lists with less than 10 items won’t make it), he added to it and published it. It was my first list, and a lot of people enjoyed it. He pretty much picked up my slack so I could be a contributor, and now i have another list published, this time on my own. Both were pretty well received, despite my not being too prominent on the site. At the risk of sounding like a kiss-ass, he is generally very fair and respectful towards his readers. Now that the jfrater worship is over
, I just want to say to jfrater: The website is impressive, it is popular with good reason, and your personal approach is one of the main factors. It quickly became one of my favorite websites, and I think I speak for the majority of the people here when I say you did a damn good job. The apology, really, was unnecessary, I think. But we appreciate it, and look forward to tomorrow’s list.
I often tell my students that in 100 years, the history books would deal with this topic in the exact way that this list layed it out. You’re just ahead of your time, JFrater.
@16 There is no such thing as meaningful debate on the internet.
@ Anonymous
Wise, wise words indeed.
Thank you for removing it. That was the first time I was actually disgusted by a list. I don’t blame you in the slightest for your actions. Shannon should be ashamed of himself for putting that in print.
You were right to pull it. Anyone who says otherwise, just wants to argue.
repost it as a controversial list!
im interested now! haha
@Glass (17): shut the ***** up, glass. he said he was. leave it at that. no need for your “mightier than thou” pious *****ass self to be a dick.
@lulu (16): Some of the facts were falsified.
@ianz09 (18): Better words i could not have said myself.
@lulu (16): The problem is that I think the debate was not meaningful – plus (as has been mentioned) there were factual errors. At some point in the future the list may be reworked and reposted (minus item 1). At present it will stay in the cupboard for a bit though I think
On a lighter note…love the freaking picture for this topic haha. I’m using that the next time someone gets mad at me.
@ianz09 (18): Thanks ian – I appreciate the comment.
@amazedperson (11): See: Archives, category: Controversial.
leaving out #1 would be a dumb move.
@jfrater (29): No problem, I appreciate the site.
@Renegade (28): I really wanted to use a beaver holding flowers (so bucslim could mention beaver ass juice) but alas all I could find was a hamster. But he is cute nevertheless (the hamster – not bucslim).
Ok so the list was about mass murders and genocide, so my guess is that who ever made the list put controversial stuff, like people who support abortion or something to that effect?.
And yes, there can be meaningful debate on the internet, the people just need to be meaningful
@jfrater (29): PS- Did I kiss your butt enough to win that iPod?
Joking. I already have one, like I’ve said. But about that book….
I thought the list was very interesting and thought provoking. The fact that people were so infuriated by a list posted on a website that has no real ramifications is absurd. You handled #1 in what I thought was a responsible and mature way. Unfortunately, many readers did not interpret #1 in that same responisble and mature manner. You are not the one who should be apologizing, the readers who posted comments bashing someone’s given and rightful opinion should apologize. And this post is coming from someone whose under the firm belief that #1 is incorrect.
@jfrater (33):
(It’s Renegade, didn’t realize I wasn’t logged in o.O) Haha that’s why they make photoshop! So you can put in a Beaver holding flowers and allow bucslim to have his comedic fun. Everyone goes down happy lol.
#1 proves that there is nothing more dangerous than a human with permission.
@renegade01 (37): Sadly my photoshopping skills are appalling – it would end up looking like an alien blob or some such thing!
i agree it should have been amended removing no. 1 (as it was just there to spark said controversy), there were other genocides and mass murderer times mentioned in the posts not dealing directly with abortion that could have been added, and maybe fixing the falsified info as well?
thats my two cents
besides the controversy (i only read the first 250 comments before getting bored and having to go to do other things) that the rest was pretty good and could be better if correct information
@jfrater (39): Then bucslim would have another thing to make fun of. Alien Ass Juice!
so….what I gather is that a bunch of self righteous trolls ruined today’s entry? i love the internet [/sarcasm].
I think the issue here is “The top 10 mass murders”… and some people think abortion is not murder in that it’s not an actual child yet… and then you get into the whole political debate… It’s all very messy.
Now i’m not going to even attempt a debate on the wrongs or rights of abortion, I’ll leave that to other people.
I’m just saying that whether i agree or not, i can understand why people got upset about that particular list.
I wish I could have at least viewed this list. Even though it was apparently controversial, it sounded interesting, to say the least.
Whoa whoa, where did Twilight Zone go?
@ianz09 (45):
Into the Twilight Zone
That is so sad I think you should shut the site down so other pussies won’t get offended….
@ianz09 (45): It is still there…
That was definately less offensive than the Furries list.
I didnt get a chance to read the list because of work, but Iwas interested in reading it. THough if there were known factual errors I dont find it that appealing
@jfrater (48): Nope, it’s gone…
i dont think you should have removed the list ….. however i do think that it takes a big man to apologise for a mistake that was not entirely your fault, for that i commend you, keep up the good work and im looking forward to tomorrows lidt.
i hope no one comes complainging about the torture of hamsters
@jfrater (48): Nah, not on my browser. I got medical quacks, then an apology.
complaining*
Hey @JFrater, fellow Kiwi here saying keep up the awesome work. Really love the site – these things happen mate. I don’t know what I’d do at work without ya! ;D
x
@szebutrans – I’m writing a strongly worded email to my local MP as we speak…
Sorry – it is back – it happened when I edited it before! oops.
It shouldn’t be deleted! How about FREE opinion without any bias, or if it has, nobody should care! If you don’t like then don’t read it! Keep up the good work man!
@ianz09 (54):
i’ve lost the “twilight zone” list too. weird.