NOTE: This is the second submission of this list. The first submission proved quite unpopular because I ranked movies according to Rotten Tomatoes freshness and my decision to include The Sixth Sense, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Princess Mononoke. The criticisms are well taken; so, this is the list as I originally wrote it MINUS the three afore-mentioned movies. To make it an even 20, I threw Contact back in from an earlier version, even though I dislike the movie.
While the technical quality of sci-fi leapt forward during the 1990s, the decade features a depressing dearth of really good sci-fi in this post-Star Wars era. Many of the movies that Hollywood produced in the 1990s made from great sci-fi books or other established source materials should have been better in execution—much better: The Postman, Starship Troopers, Contact, Sphere, The Phantom Menace, Lost in Space, Star Trek Generations, Judge Dredd, Aliens3 and Godzilla. (Quick: What size was Godzilla when she was stomping round New York City? No one knew, especially that schlock-fest’s producers.)
What follows is a selection of the best from the 1990s. On the plus side, at least half of the movies that made the cut were not big-budget blockbusters. And like the 1980s, some of the best sci-fi movies were Japanese anime. Notable and deliberate omissions: Apollo 13 (it’s sci-FACT, not sci-fi); the fun and quirky Being John Malkovich (fantasy, not sci-fi); Total Recall (more dumb than good); and Independence Day. Despite the gee-whiz special effects, stirring speeches and fun characters, Independence Day was just stupid—as in unintelligent. The three most egregious “sins” are: the techno-advanced aliens needing our puny satellite system to “coordinate” their attack, the massive mother ship exploding in close proximity to Earth with no damage to the planet, and Jeff Goldblum successfully hacking into the mother ship with his puny laptop. Those three things ruin the experience.
It took a while for this Charlie Sheen sci-fi thriller to grow on me. Co-starring the late Ron Silver, The Arrival is a fast-paced sci-fi thriller featuring Sheen as radio astronomer Zane Ziminski who detects what appear to be alien signals. Mysteriously fired for showing his findings, Ziminski gets thrown into a wild conspiracy that leads to a disturbing discovery. It’s actually better than it sounds, and as far as first contact-style movies go, The Arrival is superior to the haughty and overblown Contact and often-laughable Independence Day.
A strange mixture of cyberpunk with the then-hip tech of virtual reality, the British and Canadian eXistenZ skillfully explores the blurring of reality and fantasy. Players literally jack into a virtual reality game by plugging a connection into their spine. Talk about literally putting you in the game!
I didn’t place Contact higher on the list for one very important reason: the characters are too one-dimensional. For example, the motivation for Jake Busey’s character to destroy the first “Machine” is laughably stupid. In fact, the whole film—and Carl Sagan novel—seems like just one long, ridiculous and ignorant rant against religion. Still, the film is intriguing and doesn’t shy away from the real controversy: Did Jodie Foster’s character actually travel through space in the blink of an eye? The final 15 or so minutes make sitting through the rest of the film worthwhile.
Yes, this is a guilty pleasure, but unlike most other big-budget popcorn flicks, this movie never takes itself seriously. The first time I saw this movie I had so much fun it didn’t matter how silly or incomprehensible it was. The second time I tried to watch it with a critical eye, but wound up not caring again while I was having so much fun. If you take this movie seriously (like Independence Day), then you’ll ridicule it as a piece of overblown garbage. If you take it for a light-hearted, shoot-‘em-up, let’s-have-fun-in-space popcorn flick, then it’s a blast. Bruce Willis stars as a world-weary cab driver (are all heroes now “world-weary”?) and former elite soldier named Corbin Dallas—great name, by the way—who ends up the guardian/love interest of the “supreme being,” the universe’s only hope from a gigantic sphere o’ pure evil. It seems like the cast just had a blast making this movie, including Ian Holm as the bumbling priest, the late and great Byron James as Dallas’ former CO, Gary Oldman as the wicked, evil, devilish industrialist bad guy, and Chris Tucker as Ruby Rhod, a spacey space-cadet of a 23rd century pop idol/diva. And frankly, Chris Tucker is what makes this movie for me (some people hate his character, though).
The Truman Show is an intriguing movie where Truman (Jim Carrey) lives out his entire life as an unwitting participant in a wildly popular reality TV show about his life. But one day, a stage light falls from the “sky” and Truman begins to realize that his reality is not really reality. (Say that 10 times fast.)
This eighth Star Trek voyage is the best one since 1982’s Wrath of Kahn, and the only ST film featuring the Next Generation cast that really appeals beyond Trek circles. Heavy with overtones of Moby Dick, First Contact features our heroes battling the cybernetic Borg for the future of Earth. A little corny in places (Dr. Cochran says to the Enterprise crew members from the future: “You’re like astronauts… on some sort of star trek!”) but overall, the script is good and the action exciting.
Men in Black was a surprise 1990s monster hit, based on the comic of the same name. It’s pure popcorn, but ragingly good popcorn. Agents K (Tommy Lee Jones) and J (Will Smith) of the Men in Black maintain earth as a “Casablanca without the Nazis” until a bug with a bad attitude (Vincent D’Onofrio in a terrific performance) arrives and starts some stuff. More “fi” than “sci,” of course, but it’s still one of the best fun sci-fi flicks of all time. Best line: When J puts on his black suit and shades for the first time, he tells K: “The difference between you and me is I make this look good.”
Michael Crichton’s tale of dinosaurs come alive through cloning introduced the world at large (outside of certain scientific circles, of course) to one of the greatest killing machines ever: the velociraptor. With a gorgeous John Williams soundtrack, believable f/x and a typically—wonderfully—nerdy scientist performance by Jeff Goldblum (Ian Malcolm) Jurassic Park was and still is a terrific ride. By necessity, the movie is thinner than the novel—and trying to figure out the landscape of the T-Rex attack scene will make your head spin. (Where did that cliff come from that the heroes climb down?) Best line: Hammond tells Malcolm that “All major theme parks have delays. When they opened Disneyland in 1956, nothing worked.” Malcolm replies, “Yeah, but John, if the Pirates of the Caribbean breaks down, the pirates don’t eat the tourists.”
One of the more imaginable sci-fi films in a long time, this fun fairy tale features Johnny Depp as a scientific experiment accidentally left unfinished when his creator (the late great Vincent Price) dies. An Avon lady (delightfully played by Dianne Wiest) discovers the abandoned Edward, who still has several blades and scissors for hands and fingers. Sort of an update of the Frankenstein story.
Quite a different movie than the others on this list, this French film depicts a dystopian society where a scientist kidnaps children to steal their dreams. If you’ve seen the director’s weird post-apocalyptic “Delicatessen,” you kind of know what you’re in for. Somewhat grotesque, it’s definitely not a run-of-the mill sci-fi psychological thriller.
Bruce Willis stars as a convict sent back in time to help unravel the mystery of a super virus that ravaged earth in the mid-1990s. His search centered upon a group of radical animal rights fanatics led by Brad Pitt—but is he on the right track? This well-received post-apocalyptic flick is based on 1962’s La Jetee. (See my list on great sci-fi films of the 1960s.) What I like about this film — other than the lovely Madeleine Stowe — is the fact that noting is quite as it seems.
This hilarious send-up of Star Trek is actually a fantastic adventures-in-space movie in its own right. It’s also a better Star Trek movie than most of the Star Trek movies. Tim Allen plays the William-Shatner-like star of a defunct TV series called Galaxy Quest (heh). He and his former cast-mates spend time slumming at sci-fi conventions. That is, until they’re kidnapped by aliens who think the show was the real deal. Totally rips/plays up great sci-fi and Trek stereotypes, such as Sigorney Weaver’s character, who starred on Galaxy Quest as pure eye candy.
Gattaca is a rare modern sci-fi movie that relies on thinking and serious themes instead of f/x and explosions. Ethan Hawke stars as Vincent, who is born without the aid of genetic manipulation, and therefore becomes an instant outcast in a future society that values genetic manipulation before birth. A “god-child” or “faith-birth” by purely natural means like Vincent is considered greatly inferior to “valids.” “Imperfect” Vincent ends up trading places with “perfect” Jerome, the former getting to become an astronaut and the latter actually getting to dream at night. Well worth the time to watch.
If you’ve followed my lists of sci-fi films of each decade, you’ll recognize that I favor films that depict a dystopian future. Jin-Roh is my favorite such flick, and one of my all-time favorites of any genre. Loosely based on a manga series, Jin-Roh is set in an alternate history of post-war Japan, where an elite force, called the Kerberos Panzer Cops, is an above-the-law paramilitary unit that combats domestic terrorism. The protagonist, Kazuki Fuse, freezes when he confronts a “red riding hood,” a bomb courier for the terrorists. The girl detonates the bomb, causing widespread damage; a friend saves the frozen Kazuki from certain death. Kazuki, ordered back to training, starts a tortured relationship with dead girl’s twin sister. Jin-Roh is beautifully made film—entirely hand-drawn!—and is heavy with symbolism. Panzer Cops are equipped like WWII German soldiers, right down to their helmets and MP-42 heavy machine guns. The wider story skillfully draws from the tale of Little Red Riding Hood — not the kid-friendly Grimm Brothers version, but the much darker original tale. All-in-all, Jin-Roh is just superb.
This well-received movie—a Sundance winner and somewhat obscure for popular audiences—is more psychological thriller than pure sc-fi. And I’d be on crack if I claimed I understood all of the theories and mathematics presented in this film. Nevertheless, Pi (π) deftly explores how the life of a paranoid and recluse mathematical theorist goes out of control when he stumbles upon a formula for predicting the stock market. Contains a gruesome climax.
While the second and third installments were such convoluted disappointments, the first Matrix movie was a mind-blowing trip. Programmer/hacker Neo goes searching for The Matrix—but in the fine tradition of “beware of what you wish for; you may get it,” Neo discovers that his reality is actually a construct of machines who use docile humans as a power source. Neo comes to learn that he is “the One” who will end the machines’ dominance once and for all. Highly influential with its f/x.
A man wakes up in a hotel with no memory of who he is or what he’s doing there. He’s soon on the run from beings called “the Strangers” and comes to realize he has psychokinetic powers. The Strangers, who can alter reality, time and memory, are actually parasitic aliens who are experimenting the nature versus nurture aspects of humanity. (Is a person’s natural state more important to what makes a human who and what he is, or is nurturing—life experiences—more important?) Some have dubbed Dark City “the thinking man’s Matrix.” Roger Ebert declared Dark City the best movie of 1998.
This Spanish sci-fi thriller was well-received and celebrated when it was released. A man, Cesar, is horribly disfigured in an accident and begins to have many disorienting experiences. After he murders a woman he thinks is his ex-lover, Cesar learns that after the accident he was cryogenically frozen — with some seriously disturbing implications. Open Your Eyes was remade in 2001 as Vanilla Sky — with both versions starring Penelope Cruz — but the original is better. Ranked #84 on the wide-ranging Online Film Critics Society’s Top 100 Sci-Fi Films list.
If Akira was the anime triumph of the 1980s, Ghost in the Shell takes props for the 1990s. In fact, this cyberpunk sci-fi film is such a mind-trip that its influence is hard to underestimate. Like most great anime, Ghost in the Shell takes its inspiration from the manga of the same name. And like the best of all sci-fi, Ghost in the Shell seriously explores what it means to be human in a time of super-science. Motoko Kusanagi and her partner, Batou, are cyborgs who fight high-tech criminals. She chases after the elusive “puppet master” in her quest for existential meaning. Absolutely not to be missed. And yes, it’s violent in places, but quite deep. Originally, this was #1 on my list, but I moved it to number 2 at the last moment.
This is one of the greatest sci-fi movies of all time, and it’s #1 for two reasons: First, T2 is a rare sequel that improves upon the original, and second, T2 actually goes beyond the explosions and gee-whiz to make you think. In T2, Arnie’s T-800 terminator goes back in time to protect John Connor, not kill him. The antagonist is the T-1000, made of liquid metal, ably played by Robert Patrick. What actually makes this movie great is not the action or the fun lines—although they are fantastic—but its exploration of humanity. Pay attention to Sarah Connor’s thoughts in the middle, where she says that the machine proves to be a good “father” to John. And Linda Hamilton’s second turn as Sarah Connor is not a one-dimensional, wilted-flower-makes-good type of character she was in the first film. Here, she is moody, brooding and full of horrible visions of the future that lead her to the brink of savagery. Her reaction immediately after shooting up the scientist’s home is just a great piece of film-making. And who can forget the horrifying nuclear war dream segment?














April 17th, 2009 at 2:03 am
What about doing a list on worst sci-fi movies?
April 17th, 2009 at 2:04 am
cmon i would never put truman show as sci fi thats ridiculous
April 17th, 2009 at 2:05 am
there are lots of other movies that should be here.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:05 am
Thought matrix would of been higher up, jurassic park is a classic
April 17th, 2009 at 2:07 am
overall crappy list there are so many better sci fi movies from the 90’s out there, t2 matrix and jurassic aprk are just about the only ones i agree with here, groundbreaking special effects for all three, the rest crap, first contact?? please you are adding that only as an obligitory star trek movie (which was the best out of the one’s from the 90s) but does not deserve a place in the top list, horrible horrible list, shame
April 17th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I love the hell out of Princess Mononoke, but I wouldn’t think of it as a Sci-Fi. Neither with Batman or Truman, but whatever, it’s not my list. Good effort.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:12 am
good list
altough the matrix deserves a higher spot
that movie reintvented the genre
April 17th, 2009 at 2:23 am
cm -that list would be far to large and difficult to cut down to a manageable size
April 17th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Gattaca?
City of the lost children?
April 17th, 2009 at 2:24 am
I agree with the general sentiment that not all of these films are really sci-fi, some are definately more fantasy, or dramatic fantasy. Still a decent list though as there are plenty of my favourites up here
April 17th, 2009 at 2:31 am
No Star Wars? No Independence Day? Starship Troopers? This list blows sorry to say! Nice try but no sigar!
April 17th, 2009 at 2:33 am
This list is ridiculous. How can The Matrix be down at #10. At worst, it should be #2 (after T2).
MIB above The Matrix in the list of greatest sci-fi movies. It cannot get more ridiculous that this!
April 17th, 2009 at 2:35 am
hey this was a great list. i love to hear what other people have to say about movies that i have seen and liked very much. however, i do not think that these cartoon anime junk you put on this list really qualify as sci fi movies of the nineties. thats like me making a list of coolest sea creatures and making spongebob squarepants one of them.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:40 am
guy – hilarious
jfrater – how did you let this list get by you, sure it has pi on it but cmon, a cartoon batman as sci fi???
April 17th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Dark City
Cube
eXistenZ
The Fifth Element
Hmmm…I am not really sure if The Sixth Sense should be called a Sci-Fi.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:53 am
love it, watched 8 of these movies.
April 17th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Guess everyone has their favourites but…..but…actually can’t be bothered finishing the end of that sentence….. lost the will to live picturing the Matrix……
April 17th, 2009 at 3:06 am
First Contact is the eighth Star Trek movie.
Apart from that cool list, even if I don’t agree with everything, but it’s quite pointless thinking to know the ultimate and only truth.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:14 am
Great List
April 17th, 2009 at 3:22 am
There are so many problems with this list that I don’t even know where to begin with…. I have been noticing an overal decrease in quality lately regarding Listverse, both in the quality of the writing and in the choice of subjects, but this one really takes the prize… (sigh)
First things first: The Sixth Sense IS NOT a sci-fi movie, and really, I don’t even have to look up the definition of sci-fi to know this, I just plain know. Why don’t you just put all the great horror/suspense movies of that decade in the list and calll them sci-fi?
Second: Batman Mask of the Phantasm IS NOT a sci-fi movie, and by the way, neither is Princess Mononoke. Also, The Truman Show and Edward Scissorhands ARE NOT SCI-FI MOVIES. You are being too general in the definition of sci-fi, and by the standards of these movies, I think you could have chosen just about any movie and say that it is sci-fi.
And really, you have the nerve to put Galaxy Quest above The Matrix in the list? What is wrong with you, man? The Matrix should be at least number 2, if not number 1, and putting it in #10 is almost as dumb as calling MIB “one of the best fun sci-fi flicks of all time.”
You criticize the whole “Goldblum successfully hacking into the mother ship with his puny laptop” in Independence Day, and yet say nothing about the whole “Giant Bug eats Tommy Lee Jones, who yet remains alive” thing? How can you not put Independence Day on this list? It was a great ride, even if dumber than dumb, and it’s more sci-fi than half of the movies on this list.
It seems to me that this list should be called: “15 Movies that I really like, and think are sci-fi”. My point? Gattaca, Independence Day, Aliens 3, Contact (NOT BORING, NOT DUMB, more “exploration of humanity” – as you call it – than ten T2 assembled together), The Fifth Element, Starship Troopers, etc etc etc, just make your research.
Sorry about the long post and the language, english is not my first language.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:23 am
Decent list. I haven’t seen them all, but I don’t agree with The Sixth Sense being sci-fi at all. At least in the animated Batman, they had stealth jets that not only didn’t show up on radar, but they were hard to hear and medical lasers. You included SS because you included Ghostbusters on a previous list. At least they had the sci- part with the miniature nuclear reactors firing proton beams.
Too bad that Batman Beyond; Return of the Joker came out in 2000. It would’ve been a shoe-in.
For those who would argue that Independence Day should be on here, take a look through the trivia section of IMDB’s entry for it to see the cut scenes and how it was originally a sci-spoof. Unfortunately, they didn’t rewrite enough of it to make it a good sci-fi.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Disregard that, I realised I’m wrong. Sorry guys.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:36 am
AHHH!! How could you not include The Fifth Element on this list? It is by far better than freakin Men in Black! Oh so disappointed.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:36 am
i love this part of the intro “Notable and deliberate omissions: Apollo 13 (it’s sci-FACT, not sci-fi); the fun and quirky Being John Malkovich (fantasy, not sci-fi); Contact (boring and dumb); Total Recall (more dumb than good); and Independence Day.”
he is telling us what is and isn’t sci fi, i never would even consider being john malkovich sci fi, nor would anybody that knows anything about this movie genre, thanks for keeping it off your list buddy,
contact maybe boring true if you believe men in black to be one of the greatest sci fi movies of all time, dumb though, just because it is over your head and made you think too much till it hurts does not make it dumb,
i am just in shock about this list,
what idiot would even think about putting sixth sense in a sci fi list, it has absolutly nothing to do with sci fi,
truman show is not sci fi at all either, just because it takes place in the near future does not make it sci fi, it was providing an example of reality tv at an extreme end, not sci fi,
why didn’t you add lion king into this list, you have other cartoons but not one with talking and singing animals, that is more sci fi than a lot of movies on this list,
also sorry but pi would not be considered sci fi either…
correct title for this list 15 greatest scifi movies of the 90s if you don’t like movies and have no idea what the sci fi genre is about
April 17th, 2009 at 3:38 am
I remember that Batman movie! Another great list jfrater!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:41 am
@knight_forked – I’ll agree with Fifth Element! Peace out jfrater ‘coz I know you didn’t like Ruby Rhod!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:44 am
Good to see Truman Show and Galaxy Quest on the list. But The Matrix should’ve been first. It is the defining film of the decade, while Terminator 2 was kinda 80s style.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Oh and yes, Fifth Element also deserves to be on the list.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:54 am
Nice list, STL Mo
But……
Just like music, movies are a matter of personal taste. Doubt there ever could be a definitive list of all-time greats; how do you judge it. By popularity?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder………..
April 17th, 2009 at 3:57 am
i am not judgin how good movies are on the list, i am judging that they do not deserve to be on a list of sci fi movies
April 17th, 2009 at 3:58 am
Based on what I think of as sci fi, I would prune this list down to 1, 3, 5, 6, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15 plus the Fifth Element and make it a top ten. I love Independence Day, and I think if we went through this list we would find plenty of moments that were equally as silly as the ones you mentioned, but I can understand why you might want to leave it off. Fifth Element though, I think REALLY belongs here.
I don’t think putting The Sixth Sense on here compares to Ghostbusters at all. Ghostbusters at least had a bunch of crazy machines and some made up ghost science. The Sixth Sense was pure ghost story.
And it has been awhile since I’ve seen Galaxy Quest, but I don’t remember it being even close to movies like Jurassic Park, The Matrix, and 12 Monkeys.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:10 am
scandal007, this is not a question of personal taste: considering The Sixth Sense a sci-fi movie is not a question of taste, but more a question of poor, dumb judgement.
I think I will start my own list, I will call it “15 greatest comedy movies of all time”, it will include Schindlers List, Sophia’s Choice, The Godfather (1 and 2), Titanic, Shawshank Redemption, Braveheart… man, there are so many I don’t even know where to start.
What? These movies are not comedies? WEELLLLLLLLL, I think they are, and it’s really a question of taste, y’know?
This list should be taken down. JFRATER, I volunteer myself to writing a new and better list, and I promise it will include only sci-fi movies, at least. What say you?
April 17th, 2009 at 4:13 am
uhhh mars attacks! come on greatest movie ever
April 17th, 2009 at 4:14 am
no fifth element?????? gasp!
April 17th, 2009 at 4:15 am
After reading a much too long intro I then read a crap list of your opinions on movies. The Truman Show? Cartoons? Edward Scissorhands? Do better next time StlMo.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:15 am
the Fifth Element is one of my fave Bruce Willis movies! (next to Sin City…)
and Princess Mononoke? i about screamed-it is my #1 favorite anime…i have watched it over & over… done fan art…it’s such a beautiful movie…but hardly sci-fi…the whole forest gods thing just rocks…
rtr
April 17th, 2009 at 4:25 am
This site has been on my daily Internet rounds for a while now, and no matter how much I gripe (internally) I always return. However, this list has forced me to surface for the second time! It’s not the ‘what film should have been where’ argument (it’s OPINION people, come on!) but just how messy and half-arsed this list is. As it stands, I agree with most that Princess Mononoke, Edward Scissorhands and Batman are NOT sci-fi. However, if you’d taken the time to justify your choices, maybe putting forward an idea here or there about WHY you feel it’s sci-fi, I’m open to persuasion. Shame you didn’t though. You’ve created something quite unique with this site, J. It’s not just a ‘top ten’ site (of which there are THOUSANDS), it’s something altogether bigger. It’s important. I’m kinda disappointed something this weak made it onto the site. But hey, rant over.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:25 am
I agree with pretty much everyone above. These are not SciFi movies, and the Matrix should be much, much, higher. Bad list.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:32 am
Sorry to say but this list is the worst ever, only 2 or 3 are genuine Sci-Fi movies…. terrible terrible terrible… I cant even come up with jokes for it!!
In fact the only thing that made me stay on longer was Penelope Cruz’ picture on #10….
April 17th, 2009 at 4:33 am
hows this
1. 12 monkeys
2. fifth element
3. matrix
4. t2
5.stargate
6.gattaca
7.dark city
8.virtuosity
9.event horizon
10. jurassic park
notable omissions – id4, existenz, universal soldier, fire in the sky
hey throw in what you want, at least this list is all sci fi (apologies for #8 and 9, i realize a lot of people don’t like those two but i think they are cool)
April 17th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Jennifer Connelly was part of Dark City, right?
April 17th, 2009 at 4:43 am
yes so was keifer sutherland
April 17th, 2009 at 4:46 am
The Fifth Element was considered a very good Sci-Fi movie. There are also many others that could have taken the place of say “The Sixth Sense” which is not really SCi-Fi but more in lines with Horror/Drama
April 17th, 2009 at 4:46 am
This is just a top 15 on rotten tomatoes. So it should have been top 15 most highly rated films on rotten tomatoes.
Anyways even though rotten tomatoes is an average score of selected critics , I almost never agree with their ratings on films.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:47 am
Sorry. I posted twice by mistake. I hope JFrater can take care of that. Thanks Mate!~
April 17th, 2009 at 5:01 am
All, this list was originally 22 entries, but Jamie cut it to 15, as is his right as site owner.
Ommitted movies are:
22 Jihn-Roah: The Wolf Brigade (one of my absolute favorite movies of all time)
21 The Arrival
20 The Fifth Element
19 eXistenZ
18 Dark City
17 City of Lost Children
16 Gattaca
This time I tried something different: organizing the list according to what Rotten Tomatoes raters said of them so that the list would be less subjective and more objective. So far, it doesn’t look like a good move, but if you want to know why one movie is higher than another one, well, that’s the reason.
Organizing by RT fr4eshness made for a different list than what I originally had. Originally, I had:
22 The Arrival
21 eXistenz
20 Mask of the Phantasm
19 Fifth Element
18 Sixh Sense
17 Truman Show
16 ST: First Contact
15 Men in Black
14 Jurassic Park
13 Edward Scissorhands
12 City of Lost Children
11 Twelve Monkeys
10 Galaxy Quest
9 Gattaca
8 Jin-Roh
7 Pi
6 Princess Mononoke
5 The Matrix
4 Dark City
3 Open Your Eyes
2 Ghost in the SHell
1 T2
But I went for a more objective approach, and, well, seems not as successful as previous sci-fi lists.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Never disagreed with a list so much before. Truman Show? ’nuff said.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:29 am
Great List. Downloading Open Your Eyes and Mask of The Phantasm right now. I love hard sci-fi and am extremely disappointed at what Hollywood does with most movies in this genre.
#2: The great masters of the Golden Age of science fiction (Heinlein, Asimov, Clarke) dealt mostly with sociological issues and the impact technology may have on society and human personality without specifically mentioning the mechanics of the technology for the most part (lack of techno-babble is what makes Battlestar Galactica interesting to a wide audience). For this reason, films based on their novels would be great movies in their own right. Science fiction is poorer for not having any writers such as these anymore (Crichton, Clarke, and Charles Sheffield passed away recently and I don’t see who will replace them).
#9, #15: Great selections for the 2nd list the author proposes. It was interesting how Cube was a rip-off of a Heinlein short story without giving him any credit. But, then, many films rip-off the masters (Shakespeare, Heinlein, Pohl, Sturgeon, Dick, Niven, Seffield, etc.)
#11: I wish I had not wasted time on Independence Day and Star Wars. Verhoeven completely destroyed Troopers. I was surprised how he mistook the emphasis in the book on duty and sacrifice for “fascism”. The short novel was written for young teens and therefore necessarily was more black-and-white and simplistic.
#20: I think most science fiction writers will take exception with this categorization of their art. Except for Gattaca, I don’t think the other films you mention were any good as movies.
#24: I think the author’s emphasis is correctly on great sf movies and not “techno-science” itself. Using the criteria in most comments, we would have to insist that most great science fiction (such as The Foundation series) were not sf because they lacked or under-utlized glorified mention of technology and its mechanics. Please also note that science is much more than computers and star-ships (and I am a computer engineer myself.)
#32, #37: Using these criteria for excluding the movies you mention, we have to throw out most of Mary Shelley, Poe, Philip Jose Farmer, Heinlein, Asimov, and Dick from our University sf curriculum.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:47 am
First of all, I LOVED the 60’s, 70’s, and 80’s sci-fi film lists. And I was really looking forward to this one.
But I’m very sad to see how this one turned out to be. Very disappointing given the standards set by the previous sci-fi film lists.
It’s all over the place, basically. If this is a “greatest scifi” film list, why would there be so many films which are either absolutely NOT sci-fi or barely sci-fi at all? That makes no sense to me.
How is Sixth Sense sci-fi? OBVIOUSLY Ghostbusters is sci-fi because they use technology to face creatures from the beyond, but what does that have to do with Sixth Sense?? The same thing Sixth Sense has to do with sci-fi: nothing.
Princess Mononoke is Historical Fantasy, that’s the point of the whole film! You can argue (somehow, I certainly couldn’t) that it has sci-fi elements, but even then why include it in a greatest sci-fi list if it’s only marginally sci-fi?
Mask of the Phantasm is certainly a bold choice, and I’ll be the first to say that I love anything DC Animated. But I’m sure that in order to get it in the list you overlooked other films with much more merits in sci-fi cinema.
Edward Scissorhands is not sci-fi, and the list agrees: “… this fun fairy tale features…” if it’s a fairy tale, it’s probably not sci-fi.
As for that short comment about Contact: you’ve certainly managed to piss me off. How could you just dismiss the film like that? How is the film dumb? It’s a movie adaptation of a wonderful novel by the great Carl Sagan, and I believe they translated the undeniable intelligence and fascinating story of the book to the big screen well enough. Even if it suffered a traditional Hollywood dumbing-down (common to this day and age), you just can’t call it “dumb” and be done with it. And as for the “boring” part, let me ask you this: did you find “2001: A Space Oddyssey” boring? If so, then you would just dismiss it from being one of the greatest sci-fi films ever, right? WRONG.
Where’s Gattaca? Where’s the Fifth Element? Where’s Dark City? As you can see, I’m not alone when I’m mentioning these omissions.
Finally, why submit the order of the list to what Rotten Tomatoes says? If I wanted to know what the greatest sci-fi films are according to Rotten Tomatoes, guess what I would do.
I WOULD GO TO ROTTEN TOMATOES.
Because of this, the list loses the last glimpse of worth it had. It would’ve been interesting to see how the positions and top three were defended, just like the previous lists. But instead it’s a total cop-out.
By the way, I was quite sure The Matrix would have been number one.
Alas.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:48 am
This is timely seeing as how my friend and I have been doing weekly Top 25 lists covering anything and everything. Sure it’s geeky, but it’s fun. Talking Heads topped my Top 25 bands list. And just for the yell I get, here’s my Top 25 Sci-Fi list (in no particular order and also includes films outside the 90’s):
Serenity
Robocop
The Empire Strikes Back
2001: A Space Odyssey
Back to the Future
Blade Runner
Children of Men
A Boy and His Dog
Dark City
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Minority Report
Planet of the Apes (original)
Terminator 2: Judgement Day
Pitch Black
Predator
Alien
Starship Troopers
A Scanner Darkly
Jurassic Park
The Day the Earth Stood Still (original)
Escape from New York
The Abyss
The Road Warrior
Gattaca
The Matrix
Honorable Mention would include: Silent Running, The Fifth Element, and Total Recall
April 17th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Worst…list…ever…
April 17th, 2009 at 5:54 am
STLMo: Well, awkward timing with my comment and yours. But I have to tell you this: you should’ve used your common sense, and your boldness about the subject matter, like you did with your previous lists, to make this list a good one as well. You should’ve known better from the previous lists’ experience. Why change something that ain’t broken??
Ugh, your original list made MUCH more sense!!!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:59 am
truman show….wtf
April 17th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Not big on the Truman Show pick, and there is no excuse for Event Horizon not being there (even if it is “horror”) but otherwise nice list. I actually agree with the anime adds.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Hey, Jamie, any chance we could just scrap this entire post and I could resubmit my original one, before I brought Rotten Tomatoes into the picture?
Please?
April 17th, 2009 at 6:02 am
I don’t think the Truman show is a sci-fi.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:07 am
No, it’s Alien³. Not “Aliens3″, what the hell. Aliens was the second film, Alien was the first. And it was a good film. So screw you, person who wrote this list.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:07 am
What, no Dark City? My favorite movie of all time, and definitely good sci-fi
April 17th, 2009 at 6:09 am
Paceman, why not make an original list and submit it? I really hate it when people post their own version of the list but yours is really unnecessary.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:13 am
The sixth sense was an awesome movie but I’m not sure, like others, that it belongs on this list. Maybe Unbreakable could take it’s place or better yet Signs. 12 Monkeys is another flat out awesome movie. I thought The Truman Show was just God awful and doesn’t come close to science fiction. The Matrix was a good movie but I thought Reloaded was far superior. MIB and MIB II were both wonderfully funny movies and absolutely belong here. Galaxy Quest…really? Just my humble opinions.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:21 am
I am a MAJOR sci-fi lover. If this list is accurate, then there were no good sci-fi movies made in the 90’s.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:22 am
“Science fiction”, according to the American Heritage dictionary: “fiction in which the plot is based on speculative scientific discoveries, drastic environmental changes, or space travel”. This should pretty much rule out “Truman Show” as a candidate for this list. I actually really like that movie, but it is misplaced here.
I haven’t read all the comments thus far, so forgive me if this is a repeat, but “Stargate” should be in the top 7 or 8 at least. To think James Spader went from that to slinging ice cream as a washed-up alchoholic that wouldn’t apologize to Costanza… sad.
Back to the list itself, I am not one to judge someone else’s opinion or undermine the time involved in creating any list, so I won’t. I think there are some solid choices, and also some that fall into gray areas, sci-fi wise (for instance, Galaxy Quest is a comedy SET in a sci-fi world, but I digress).
One thing I’ve noticed is that the more over-exposed something gets, the more we tend to think of it negatively simply because we’re tired of it- i.e. the Matrix. I agree the two sequels were clearly inferior, but I also think the original still stands as a landmark piece of filmmaking, sci-fi or otherwise.
I really wanted to try to convince everyone that “Equlibrium” was from the 90’s just to include it, but alas, it’s from 2002. Stupdendous movie.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:23 am
hum, this is a nice list, but I would add some movies to it, you missed like, total recall, or alien, or predator, those can’t be missed!
April 17th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Having written a list for this site before, I empathize with STLMo. But, I guess you can’t hit a home run with every list. I enjoyed seeing the rankings, even if some of the films were more sci-fi than others. Here’s a question, though, since everyone seems to be debating: what is sci-fi and who gets to determine it? I mean, everyone agrees that many of the lists on this site are “opinion”. Wouldn’t the definition for sci-fi be opinion, too? Even if a majority of people in the world agree on what sci-fi is, isn’t it still “opinion”? What one considers sci-fi, may not be what someone else considers sci-fi. As far as I know, there is no governmental organization that has laid down laws defining sci-fi, just groups of writers, artists, directors, producers and, of course, fans. But here’s the real question. When it comes to opinion, just because a majority of people have the same “opinion” of something, does that make it right or correct?
Also, not to be a spelling Nazi, but I believe in the second line under “The Sixth Sense” the word should be “taut” not “taught”.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:28 am
** Spellcheck: “Stupendous”. See I know how to spell it.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:31 am
I was in the process of posting when Zrex posted this quote: “Science fiction”, according to the American Heritage dictionary: “fiction in which the plot is based on speculative scientific discoveries, drastic environmental changes, or space travel”.
Again, my question: Just because the dictionary defines it in this way, who’s to say they are right? Are the editors of the dictionary basing their definition on what the majority of people believe sci-fi to be? If so, does that necessarily make it the “right” definition? Since when did life become majority rule? To twist a sci-fi movie quote, “Do the opinions of the many outweigh the opinions of the few, or the one?”
April 17th, 2009 at 6:34 am
63. Randy:
I think you raise a good point concerning what sci-fi is and how much of it is defined by opinion. Maybe to some degree it depends on where you’re from- I know sci-fi in Great Britain is somewhat different in scope than in America. I’m from the farms of Kentucky, so around here sci-fi means anything that might involve a beaker or flask. That’s a joke.
IMHO, I think true sci-fi means anything in the realm of “impossibilities”. Of course that changes over time somewhat, but if you look at the classics from the 50’s and 60’s, to a large degree they are using the same plot devices as what is being used today. Of course some of this is because many sci-fi movies today are simply wretched remakes of said classics.
I had a point here, I feel sure… I went a bit off-track.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:35 am
First Contact is Star Trek XIII not X.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:38 am
i love edward scissorhands..i love johnny depp.. ü
April 17th, 2009 at 6:51 am
T2! T2 was a total sell-out to acquire the teen market, after the original film where the Terminator wouldn’t stop, relentlessly pursuing Sarah Connor, then in the second film the cutey Terminator instead of protecting John Connor as programmed does nothing but allow himself to be manipulated and be “nice”. I would have rather this film had gone after the R or 18 (depending where you live) rating and had more edge to it. Then T2 could have been a great film, not the utter sell-out T2 was.
At least Independence Day wasn’t on the list, this was one of the two films I ever asked for my money back on seeing them at the cinema. I actually thought that 20 minutes in it was a comedy and starting to laugh along with it. I was told to shush by someone convinced it was a real sci-fi film.
Mind you, it wasn’t the worst sci-film I’ve seen, Hardware, seen that? Utter rubbish!
April 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
About Star trek: First Contact. While I thoroughly enjoyed the Borg scenes (“Assimilate this!”), I just could not completely buy into the storyline. My problem stems from my sensibilities as an avid Trekker (hence my name) and my devotion to assimlate (pun intended) all aspects of the Start Trek universe in a cohesive whole. It irks me when scriptwriters diverge from this.
Specifically, I draw attention to the portrayal of the one named Zefran Cochrane, played in this case by James Cromwell, who is a great actor in his own rite. In the original series, in the episode ‘Metamorphosis’, the charactor of Cochran shown as being an intelligent, young, and handsome, played soberly by Glenn Corbett, who couldn’t have been any older than 35 years. Cochrane was presume to have died 150 years prior, but sustained at a youthful age by ‘The Companion’.
What I find disturbing is that in ‘First Contact’, Cochrane is a middle-aged (say 55ish) drunkard, totally inept of any social courtesies whatsoever. It is so far beyond the character that was introduced in TOS that I could not suspend my belief in believing that this was the same guy. AND I was further exasperated by two other elements in the plot. One was that the Enterprise crew told him who they were, thereby breaking the crucial ‘Prime Directive’ order and jeopardizing the space-time continuum.(I realize that that was already disrupted by the Borg, but in my judgment unnecessary to further damage it. Had the writers kept the Cochrane character consistent with TOS, they would have no need to reveal that they were from the future). Then they writers had the audacity to have Riker and LaForge ride along on the first warp trip in Earth’s history. Come on, give me a break.
However, it was a nice touch in who they came in first contact with.
Still, I actually liked ‘Star Trek: Generations’ better than this one.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:54 am
how is the matrix not in the top 5?
come on you have cartoon movies in there! ridiculous
April 17th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Fifth Element is one of my favorites, but I liked this list. Love Star Trek!
It might not be true to sci-fi list but it has a touch of it. Pretty good start!
April 17th, 2009 at 6:57 am
oh no wonder this list is so jacked up. you used rotten tomatoes?
get a clue IMDB is much more highly regarded
April 17th, 2009 at 7:00 am
It may already have been pointed out – the maker of this list has no idea what sci-fi actually is. It’s really not that hard to classify. By my reckoning, only eight of these qualify.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Wait…Independance Day gets cuts for its silly premise and Jurassic Park it included for its premise of…cloning million year old dinosaurs? I love both of those movies, but they’re both rather out there plots. It’s what makes them sci-fi. I also vote for Fifth Element for an honorable mention.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:10 am
STL Mo, with all due respect to the hard work you surely had, how about this:
Don’t write any more lists about sci-fi movies, because clearly you don’t have a clue about what a sci-fi movie really is. Sorry about being this harsh on you, but man… even after all the bitching and moaning from comments, you have not acknowledged this simple fact:
The Sixth Sense
Princess Mononoke
The Truman Show
Mask of the Phantasm
Pi
Edward Scissorhands
ARE NOT SCI-FI MOVIES! I would love to hear the reasons why you consider they should be in this list, really.
And honestly, Open Your Eyes and Ghost in the Shell higher than The Matrix? Galaxy Quest higher than 12 Monkeys? MIB higher than The 5th Element? Ok, ok, it’s your opinion, but it would be interesting to read at least some kind of justification to the positions of each movie.
I mean, you don’t just put on a list of movies in order of subjective personal opinion of importance, and the don’t even bother to justify the positions. Seeing that the justification for not including Contact was just simply retarded (not you, the justification), I am not surprised by this.
Care to coment?
April 17th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Sandman – While I too would like to hear STL Mo’s reasoning behind those movies, you aren’t being fair to the guy. Read his 1970’s sci fi list and his 1980’s sci fi list. They are both really solid and interesting.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:22 am
I have to throw my hat in the ring with those who think at least half of this list is not sci-fi. Granted, the non-scifi movies here are very good movies, but they are good movies that belong on another list.
That being said, thank you for another entertaining installment. Keep up the good work STL Mo!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:23 am
This list was spot on. I wish that The Fifth Element had been on the list. Glad it was in the original. Especially glad to see The Sixth Sense.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Sorry, I don’t respond to people who tell me I have to “get a clue.”
I’ve already explained (in #46) why I did it this way, and oviously doing it this way is not popular.
I’d be happy to submit the list as I originally wrote if if Jamie permits, but otherwise, I’m done.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Probably already ben stated – butt hee Velociraptors in Jurassic Park were, in fact, Utahraptors.
Velociraptors are smal – no more than 2-3 feet tall an 4-5 ft long. The modelmakers were ‘twitchy’ about constructing a ‘raptor of the size Speilberg wanted because it didn’t exist (not in the fossil record, any way). However two hours after the head sculptor rang palaeontologist Bob Bakker with his concerns (they didn’t want to look like idiots) and he convinced them to go ahead with the “super-’raptors”: Jim Kirland also rang Bbakker with the news; “Bob, we found a claw!” It was the killing-claw of a super-sized ‘raptor which, after escavtion and reconstruction, proved to be a ‘raptor (Dromaeosaurid for the correct term) even bigger than Speilberg’s at 9 feet tall and 18 feet long!
Science imitating art!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Sorry – ‘Jim Kirland’ above should have read Jim Kirkland: dodgy keyboard.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I don’t understand this list either. It isn’t the ranking, and I think using RT to rank them is a good idea, but the fact that most of these movies are not sci-fi. How do Batman: Mask of the Phantasim, Edward Scissorhands, The Sixth Sense qualify as sci-fi? Where is the science in these movies?
April 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Yeah, I’ve got to agree with majority opinion: I would toss the cartoons and the Sixth Sense; they are not science fiction. It boggles my mind that you didn’t include Contact, which is as poignant and as you can get.
However, I’ll go with you in terms of The Truman Show being science-fiction. It isn’t just an example of extreme reality television, as someone here phrased it. The dome that Truman lived in was supposed to be the largest object on earth. Think of all the ingenuity that went into maintaining the world so that Truman would never question its reality. If the Truman Show had had him just stuck in a house, it wouldn’t have been science-fiction, but the creation of an artificial city pushes The Truman Show just barely over the line into sci-fi territory, I think.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Okay, half of these aren’t really what most people call sci fi, I think its a bit of a stretch for some of these movies.
Princess Mononoke for example is one of my favourite movies, but its a fantasy sorry, not sci fi.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:44 am
STL Mo, I haven’t told you to get a clue, I specifically wrote that “you don’t have a clue” about what a sci-fi movie is. Then I stated my reasons for saying this. Maybe I am being a bit too harsh, since I have not read your other sci-fi movies lists, but let me state this (whithout any intention of insulting you):
Even if you consider 2001 the greatest sci-fi movie of all time, if you think The Sixth Sense is a sci-fi movie, you really don’t have a clue about sci-fi movies.
Don’t feel insulted by what I wrote, I am just acknowledging that you surely don’t know what sci-fi is, or else you would have not included so many non sci-fi movies in your list.
In #46 you justified the missing movies mentioned in the comments, and the order of the list. You have not justified your choice of movies which are not even remotely sci-fi.
Also, you have not justified your opinion regarding Contact. So if you care to answer back, go ahead, if not, I don’t really care.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:45 am
wow…I love scifi. I seem to agree with most, that the list is wonky. But I just think there are too many awesome scifi movies to pick 10 or 15. I guess that’s why I don’t make lists. lol Here’s my vote for a 2nd or 3rd list on this topic.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:47 am
The above comment about Contact should have been “It boggles my mind that you didn’t include Contact, which is about as poignant and thought provoking as you can get in terms of sci-fi”. I accidentally deleted part of the sentence and rewrote it poorly in my haste to post. oops.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Also, does it make me a horrible person if I don’t like 2001: A Space Odyssey, a movie mentioned by Sandman as being the greatest sci-fi movie of all time? I’ve watched it twice, and I still can’t bring myself to sit through it without a) getting bored or b) making fun of it (oh how mature I am), despite the fact that it is supposed to be one of the greatest movies ever made. No matter how thought provoking it is, and I do acknowledge that it is, I just can’t see what everyone else sees in it.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:53 am
shit list.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:55 am
This is a terrible list. Most of it is not science fiction. Just because a film has tech that doesn’t exist does not make it sci-fi. For example, Alien is a thriller, fear and tension are the causes of the film and the reason for it’s story, not scientific concepts.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:58 am
agree terminator and ghost in the shell
April 17th, 2009 at 7:59 am
msulli22, it does not make you a horrible person, for disliking 2001, it’s your opinion, as subjective and right and wrong as my opinion that it is one of the best sci-fi movies ever made.
Although if you like Contact, and think about it, both movies are very very very similar, in many many things.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
By the way STL Mo, i don’t believe you have not included Strange Days in the list, as much as I don’t believe that it still wasn’t mentioned, by me or anybody else.
It was a great sci-fi movie.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Absolutely terrible list. Animation doesn’t belong on it, and Jurassic Park belongs in the top 3
April 17th, 2009 at 8:10 am
stl mo: to be honest resubmitting is not going to be easy – as it is now 3:09 AM NZ time and I am extremely drunk. So, you can send the list, but if I post it there will be big errors as I have to gather the pics, etc. We are going to have to weather this storm I think
April 17th, 2009 at 8:14 am
is everyone forgeting one thing the best sci-fi movie ever BAMBI
April 17th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Oh and I have a house full of guests who demand my attention at singstar
April 17th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Everyone who keep screaming “how can you rate movie x above movie y” should take note that they are in order of Rotten Tomato’s score.
As for anime being included, I’ve said this in other lists. Animated movies should never be compared to live action movies, there is no acting, no directing, nothing but cartoons. I like some animated films but I would never compare them to real movies because as someone else stated that’s like including Spongebob in a list of real sea creatures.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:28 am
it is CRIMINAL that you skipped the fifth element!
and very sad that you missed gattaca and dark city as well.
-and if jfrater is the one who thought the above were less worthy sci-fi endeavors than what follows, than he doesn’t know the meaning of the term (which i somehow doubt.) jamie how could you see sixth sense as more sci-fi than fifth element?! were you drunk-editing last night too?
remember, you eliminated being john malkovich from consideration by deeming it fantasy. well, although i really like many of your selections as films, i’d find it very hard to argue that the following are anything other than straight fantasy as well:
*the 6th sense: since when is a contemporary ghost/physic story sci-fi? where’s the sci?
*princess mononoke: beautiful cautionary ecological fairy-tale, with the english writing by neil gaiman! but where’s the sci?
and barely on the edge of being sci-fi:
*batman: yes, animated batman is my favorite too, but the only thing slightly “sci” in any batman is his ridiculously extensive collection of tools/gadgets. that’s just tech, my friend.
*the truman show: once again, it’s tech that allows a man’s world to be planned/simulated while being filmed. with the way reality shows and home schooling combine today, this could basically be achieved now if no one had ethical concerns about doing it to the infant and person they’d become.
*edward scissor hands: well, he is the creation of a “mad scientist” a la frankenstein’s monster, but nothing else sci-fi figures into the plot in anyway. a big stretch to put it in anything other than fantasy.
and ST MO, your decision to use rotten tomatoes over your own (excellent) intuition was, well, rotten. i know you’ve accknowledged this, and we can’t learn if we don’t make the occasional mistake. but i still can’t see a single sci-fi factor in the sixth sense not one. what sci-fi elements did you see in it?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:32 am
and i meant “psychic story” “physic” sounds like an athlete’s tale or something :S
April 17th, 2009 at 8:34 am
How about a list on Top 10 Lists I wish I’d never bothered with…although I think I read that one, maybe time for Another Top 10 List I wish I’d never bothered with?
April 17th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Why would you list “Batman” under “science-fiction”? I guess you think Spiderman is judt a ficticious character also.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:58 am
mat_ep: What’s your definition of sci-fi?
April 17th, 2009 at 9:09 am
matrix should be no.1
April 17th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Akira????
April 17th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Wow. Lots of serious comments today. I have to say, I agree with most of whats been said. My addition would be Mars Attacks, and I do have a soft spot for Total Recall.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:27 am
First Contact is my alltime favourite Star Trek movie. Even people who don’t like Star Trek like the movie. It’s fantastic!! Best part: “Jean Luc BLOW UP THE DAMN SHIP!” “NOOOOOOoooooOOOOOOoOOOOooOOOOOO *smashes things*”
And boy did I ever love Galaxy Quest when it came out. I was 9 years old, and I just ADORED it. I had the movie novel and everything. I watched it on TV the other day and it still has it’s charm.
CAW CAW! CAW CAW!
April 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I saw MIB at 6 and was like WTF!? until I saw the rest of the list. Great list overall
April 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am
OK, here’s the deal. First, for anyone wondering why certain ones aren’t listed, see #46 BEFORE commenting.
Second, I included movies that SOME consider sci-fi and SOME don’t. So, my decision to include The Sixth Sense was based on a personal choice, plus some reviewers who considered it sci-fi. True, more reviers than not consider it suspense/horror, and perhaps I should have gone with my initial instincts to not include it at all.
Third, I understand sci-fi very well. Sci-fi is NOT all about future tech. It’s about the future condition of humanity, or an alternate look at past human events, e.g. “what if?”.
Fourth, the “cartoons” are in fact sci-fi because of what they discuss and explore. Just because it’s not live action doesn’t mean it’s not sci-fi. And yes, to whoever said that there are no actors in the animated movies, well, you know that’s wrong.
Fifth, one of my primary sources/inspirations for sci-fi is one of my relatives, who’s a Nebula and Hugo-winning author of sci-fi. So, please don’t insult me by saying I need to get a clue about what it is. I’ve very much aware, thank you.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Seriously, no Fifth Element? That is my favorite movie of all time and you, sir, have offended me. Good day!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I’ve read all your lists and this is my 1st comment. Generally your lists are right on, but there is NO WAY you can have a best Sci-Fi movie from the 90’s list without
Gattaca and Dark City
two of the finest most high-brow sci-fi movies ever made
Otherwise keep up the great work!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:27 am
ST MO, well, i did read all, the comments, even 46 (note that i put the blame for the “omissions” back on jamie).
and i’m happy that you consider sixth sense sci-fi. as always, you (like everyone else) are entitled to your opinions.
but what i want to know is what are the specific elements of that particular film that strike you as sci-fi? i don’t really care what “professional” reviewers thought, it’s your list, and that’s the only one where i can’t name a single element of sci-fi. but i’m acknowledging that it could be there and i’m not seeing it, so i’m asking you for help, please.
i think your definition: “It’s about the future condition of humanity, or an alternate look at past human events, e.g. “what if?”.”
is too broad, it must include “It’s about the future condition of humanity, or an alternate look at past human events if they were to be modified by technologies, techniques and knowledge of reality from the field of science, e.g. “what if?”.”
leave out my bold bit and it’s just general fiction. without that caveat, a story where the south wins the US civil war or the US fails to win independence from britain (and does so through poor strategic choices of the commanders alone, -NOT a non-contemporary/invented weapon or time travel, just pure human error/choices) would be sci-fi.
the “sci” part is important.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
STL Mo, in my opinion you sound just like someone who realized it made a mistake, but will stubbornly stick to it, just because you can’t admitthat you were wrong and somebody else was right all along.
So this one relative of yours is ACTUALLY a sci-fi writer who won some MAJOR awards in the field… have you told him about this list? I suggest you do, and then try to dodge when he tries to facepalm you while saying “6th sense IS NO SCI-FI!!!”
Personally I have no problems with the “cartoons”, like Ghost In The Shell, because they surely have a story and deal with subjects of the sci-fi realm. It is not the case with Princess Mononoke and Batman, however,
“Sci-fi is NOT all about future tech. It’s about the future condition of humanity, or an alternate look at past human events, e.g. “what if?”.”
This is an interesting definition, and even if we can apply it to many sci-fi movies or subjects, you should not narrow it down in such an anal-retentive way. It’s like you are saying – and I do believe it’s what you are saying – that ANYTHING that resembles or approaches this definition should be considered sci-fi. Which is, of course and without a doubt, WRONG!
What bothers me the most is the last part of your sentence: “an alternate look at past human events, e.g. “what if?””. Let me try come up, from the top of my head, with some movies that can fit into this:
10.0000 BC – An alternative take on the past of humans.
APOCALYPTO – Same thing, but with Mayans.
THE LAST KING OF SCOTLAND – It is the story of Idi Amin told from the perspective of a fictional character, so that covers the “what if pretty well, i suppose.
THE MAN IN THE IRON MASK – Same “what if” thing, alternate look at the past.
I could come up with many more examples, but I think I made my point here. These are no sci-fi movies, no matter how much you spin it around. And the same goes for the movies I mentioned in your list.
You, sir, are dead wrong on this one, so don’t even try to pull ranks saying one of your relatives is a sci-fi author. It doesn’t matter, really, for all I know you could be the secret son of Isaac Asimov and Arthur C. Clarke, but you still would be wrong if you said that Truman Show or Batman were sci-fi.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Oh, T2. Love
April 17th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Princess Mononoke appears in this list as well:
http://listverse.com/movies/top-10-fantasy-adventure-movies/
so now i’m really confused, is it sci-fi or fantasy?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:02 am
The difference between Sci-Fi and Fantasy from a genre or writer’s perspective is defined as thus:
Science Fiction explores scenarios that do not exist but are possible. (Hence, future technologies, exploring other worlds, alternate versions of human development based on theoretical but possible technological advances)
Fantasy is based on possibilites that exist outside of technological speculation… for instance… casting magic or dragons in medieval settings. Gods giving people special powers, etc. Supernatural or paranormal are also technically fantasy, although they are often seen as horror because of they are used to evoke those feelings.
The core difference is that science fiction could be possible, where fantasy would not be, by any rational definition. Space ships may one day be possible- Hobbits and Orcs have never been.
For this, I think most of the list at least somewhat qualifies, but some would be excluded. Princess Mononoke wouldn’t be considered as science fiction by the majority of establishments rewarding outstanding work in the genre (And trust me, I love that movie). Sixth Sense is based on elements that contain the supernatural and wouldn’t be accepted as Science Fiction by, say, Nebula or Hugo. While Ghost in the Shell is definately a contender. Because it was made before the late 90’s, 12 Monkeys would work because at the time it was predicting a possible future, etc. Scissorhands would be contestable but maybe, and Batman would generally not be accepted (but in some cases might).
Not a bad list, I think it just went up without a little bit more polishing than it deserved… all of the movies listed were great though!!
April 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
just cuz we live in a technology age doesn’t mean that all “science” is technology.
think of the title “science” and “fiction” – made up (or what if) stories about science (whether technology, space, engineering, chemical or whatever).
This is why Jurassic Park fits so well – “what if” about science. Edward Scissorhands could meet this definition as well – what if a science experiment went wrong?
Sixth Sense and Truman and Batman are a little harder. Although there is some science (psychology and TV and gadgets) and definitely some fiction (i see dead people?), the focus was not on how the science was fictional, so its harder to see as “science fiction”.
As for Independence Day and Fifth Element – boy talk about some fictional science!
April 17th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Ugh. I can’t add much to what’s been said – I have to agree with pretty much all of the comments (anime!?! I mean, freaking ANY ANIME movie is a better sci-fi picture than Independence Day?!?!).
As for the three points you made about ID, IMnotsoHO, it is hands down the best sci-fi movie ever made, if for no other reason than the pure entertainment value. Not to mention that it ACTUALLY IS of the sci-fi genre. I mean, that’s the whole point of sci-fi, right? What don’t really know what would happen, because IT’S FICTION, so we use some real and some fantastical scientific possibilities to make something that entertains. Independence Day rocked in with those criteria in mind.
Anyhow, at least you took the time to make and submit a list, which I still haven’t done (although I have a really good one cooking…).
My vote for best comment of the thread: #98 – I’m too damn drunk to fix it now, so sail on, sailor. HA… Mr. Frater, should you ever come to the U.S., I would be very happy to buy you a (several) drinks…
April 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Uh, Sandman, I’m not “stubbornly sticking” to my decisions. Please re-read my comments carefully. But if you insist, I think I DID make a mistake or two. However, just because you disagree doesn’t mean that it’s a flat-out mistake.
However, because of the reception and second-guessing over this list (including my own), I asked JF if I could resubmit this list as I originally wrote it instead of the one I remade with Rotten Tomatoes rankings. (#56) If that isn’t an admission of error, well, then, I can’t help you.
And for the record, The Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America voted The Sixth Sense the Nebula Award for Best Script in 1999. THAT, ultimately, is why I went ahead and included it.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:32 am
ST MO-
also, i just glanced over your sci-fi films lists, 1950’s-this one, and they’re quite good. up until now they all involve some serious science element in shaping the reality each film exists within.
i’ve learned that you think “fantasy will not be included because it deserves its own list.” you really like anime/manga, and in addition to finding contact “dumb” you also dismiss soylent green as “stupid”, not because of the film itself, rather because of the fact that its “twist” became a pop-culture catch phrase (hey, kinda like “i see dead people!”) “Soylent Green is stupid. When what’s supposed to be a movie’s “shocking” ending instead becomes an enduring derisive punch line, you don’t exactly have a “great” movie.” personally, i think it’s rather stupid to judge a film as “not great” merely because people found it quotable, but hey the movie may have sucked, i haven’t seen that one (unlike the movies on today’s list).
and including sixth sense is nothing like including ghostbusters.
the “sci” bit of ghostbusters was all of their ghost detection, trapping, and disposal equipment. in sense it’s uhm, bruce willis’s training in talk-therapy? seriously, the equivalent of talking to the school counselor about your fears and problems -especially ones that stem from the paranormal (non-science by definition)- is not science fiction. i love bruce willis and like that film, but truth is truth.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:35 am
and Pi was not mainly about a formula that predicted the stock market, but the core of the movie was the notion that the formula was more the Messianic Age, as the number represents the unspeakable name of God.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Lo – I didn’t care for Contact at all because the characters were so one-dimensional and cliched. Those who opposed the Machine project were made out to be irrational luddites for no seemingly good reason other than hatred of religion and the need for a convenient bad guy. That’s why I called it dumb.
And the crack about Sixth Sense and Ghostbusters was A JOKE.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Interesting and I guess controversial list STL Mo . I’m not a Sci-Fi film expert and it’s not my favorite genre so I can’t say what qualifies as a Sci-Fi film. You did mention the Nebula Award which is an award given each year by the Science Fiction and Fantasy Writers of America. (I had to look that up) I did notice that an award was given in 1999 to the Sixth Sense for best script. So I’m not sure what makes a film Sci-Fi or fantasy or just plain fiction. And it really hasn’t been explained clearly in any of the comments. Maybe if the name of the list was “15 Greatest Science Fiction/Fantasy Films of the 90s” it would have brought on less criticism. Just a thought from a guy who doesn’t know that much about Sci-Fi movies. Anyway It was interesting reading your list regardless.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:42 am
ST MO-
from nebula’s website: “All works first published in English, in the United States, during the calendar year, in the genres of science fiction, fantasy, or a related fiction genre are eligible for the Nebula Awards in their respective categories.”
http://www.sfwa.org/awards/rules.htm
so that means they could’ve chosen the sense script (and indeed they did) without themselves considering it sci-fi! they might have seen it as a paranormal fantasy or other “related fiction,” whatever that means. i had no idea that such a broad genre of fiction was covered by those awards. i mean medical fiction is related to science fiction, can house win a nebula now?
April 17th, 2009 at 11:49 am
OKAY, everyone: I’ve just resubmitted this list with the following note attached:
“NOTE: This is the second submission of this list. The first submission proved quite unpopular because I ranked movies according to Rotten Tomatoes freshness and my decision to include The Sixth Sense, Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and Princess Mononoke. The criticisms are well taken; so, this is the list as I originally wrote it MINUS the three afore-mentioned movies. To make it an even 20, I threw Contact back in from an earlier version, even though I dislike the movie.”
April 17th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Truman Show and Mononoke are on my list of favourite movies EVER! Nice to see them in the same list (although IMO I don’t think either of them class as sci-fi…)
April 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I never understood what everybody saw in Pi. Yeah, I get that the chaotic feel to it is supposed to be reflective of the protagonist’s mental state, but it got in the way of decent storytelling, making the whole thing kind of unbelievable and boring. I could see how the unbelievability played into the whole chaotic feel, but in the end, the overstylized feel detracts from one’s ability to enjoy the film.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Truman show? Sci-fi? I’m so sorry but, nuh-uh..
April 17th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
wow… looks like from the comments that everyone is trying to re-write the list. I won’t do that, because as much as I love science, and as much as I like fiction, I must say that I’m not much of a sci-fi fan, weird huh?
April 17th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Just realised that Akira was made in the late 80’s. Don’t think it got a Europe/Us release until the 90’s though?
Amazed that there hasn’t been an attmept at a live action remake!
April 17th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Visiting this site is one of the fun things I truly enjoy doing during my day. The lists are always great, informative, interesting and entertaining. This list of top Sci-Fi was also entertaining. However, I have to say that this was the first list I have seen on this site that failed to list correctly what it’s title implied. I have seen all of these films; and I feel, out of the 15 mentioned here, I would only consider 9 of them to be true Sci-Fiers. If you were to redo this list assuring that all 15 films fall into the Sci-Fi genre, I would love to read it. Thanks for all your great list.
April 17th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Sandman – Well put
April 17th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Thought Dark City and Gattaca should be on here, too. Great movies and it’s not my fave genre.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
hell yeah T2, i wouldn’t go to this site anymore if that wasn’t number 1
April 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Disappointed to see that The Fifth Element wasn’t on the list.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Overall a disappointing list. A few like The Matrix and Jurassic Park were enormously influential and should have been far higher and some of these films are NOT science fiction such as The Sixth Sense and Princess Mononoke.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Fifth Element?
Dark City?
April 17th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Give the poor guy a break~~dang ! All the interesting list STL mo puts out and all you sci-fi geek/nerds pile on him for a percieved faux pas. Im not so crazy about sci-fi but if I was and I wanted to insult him I think one post would do it.
But to go on about it– go mow your grass or wash dishes or something.Try not to let the list ruin your day.
Much love.
April 17th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Jamie! Leave some wine for me!
April 17th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Woo, I’ve seen most of the movies on this great list!!
I must say, even though Independence Day was junk-scifi, I still LOVE that movie. I like all the actors, the effects are cool, and it’s just a great popcorn movie.
I also love Total Recall BECAUSE it’s so stupid.
People may hate on me, but I liked the Spielberg War of the Worlds too. The klaxon sound the tripods made scared the crap out of me. I spilled my popcorn. And the cameo by Tim Robbins was BRILLIANT.
(Sorry about all the caps…I don’t know how to make italics in here.)
April 17th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
The Truman Show is my favorite movie of all time!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
142. Mabel: I actually liked that version of War of the Worlds, too. I really hate Tom Cruise, but he was out-acted by the little girl so it worked out ok. I kept hearing that sound when I was trying to sleep that night after watching it the first time…didn’t get much sleep that night.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Look, I have one job on this lousy ship! It’s stupid, but I’m gonna do it, okay?!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I am not as emotional as some on the list, but I agree that some of the things on this list fail as either being good or being sci-fi. I do not think that a good rating on Rotten Tomatoes solidifies quality. I think that Including Pi and Open your eyes was a great choice. And for anyone who has any problem about Ghost in the Shell, you are a complete moron. If you have any appreciation for the Matrix, then you cannot NOT love Ghost in the Shell. I tend to look for philosophical undertones in movies and Ghost in the Shell is one of the most mind blowing movies I have ever seen. With that being said, I agree with whoever said that Existenz and City of Lost Children should have been included as well. And all though I do absolutely love the Truman Show, I have no idea what-so-ever that movie has to do with the sci-fi genre. Same can be said for the other movies on the list, with the depletion of the word “love.”
But I love you Jfrater! I don’t care what anyone has to say. I would like to see any of these cynical people devote as much time and energy as you have to such a wonderful (and sickly addicting) website. If I were you my response would be just to say “You can’t be perfect all the time”
April 17th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
145. chershey: That was funny!
“Never give up. Never surrender.”
April 17th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
The Truman Show is in my all time favorite movies…but its not sci-fi…at all.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Okay. I normally don’t say anything even if I disagree. But this list (you’re not even trying if your gonna add RT ratings) is just ridiculous.
I raised an eyebrow at #9 Batman: Mask of the Phantasm.
Then I was like, “what the” at #8 Galaxy Quest.
But I threw in the towel at #7 Edward Scissorhands.
Other sci-fi flicks that would have been better choices despite being “stupid”.
Starship Troopers
Total Recall
Independence Day
Alien Resurrection
Even Judge Dredd and Demolition Man would have worked.
Hell, where’s The Fifth Element??
April 17th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Batman? Sixth sense? Scissorhands? What are they doing on a sci-fi list?
April 17th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Contact is one of my favorite movies, why don’t you go back to watch cartoons!
April 17th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
STL MO-
i hope you don’t think i was dismissing your list making abilities, just quibbling over the definition of sci-fi. i appreciated the list.
i’m not sure what jamie will do with the revised submission (he’s probably hung over
)
sorry to be so insistent earlier. (and bigski 141, i actually did spend the afternoon doing yard work, and my day wasn’t ruined a bit
)
April 17th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Wow…some people are taking this list seriously! I may not agree with the entire list, but damn people take it easy!
P.S.
The Matrix should have been higher! (sorry I couldn’t resist!) =:^)
April 17th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
There are indeed problems in this list, but thank you for not including Independance Day… I liked it when it came out because I was 10 years old, seeing it again I realise how idiotic it is.
Those people who say they know about movies and complain that Independance Day isn’t on this list need to watch more sci-fi… or better movies.
Independance Day is like Transformers… its just a blockbuster for adolescants.
April 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Good list, but I think that you spoiled the twist of “Open your eyes”
April 17th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
First Contact and Terminator 2 rock my socks!
April 17th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Of the entire list I saw only Jurassic Park and Edward Scissorhands;Not enough to make any kind of judgement of the list on.
April 17th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
I haven’t cared enough to read anyone else’s comments so I’m sure I’m repeating things. Matrix not even in the top 5? And GALAXY FUCKING QUEST is higher than the matrix? wtf.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
What’s with BATMAN?!?! i mean sure he’s awesome as heck but he’s not SCI-FI!!!
April 17th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
This list really falls short of the usual brilliance on this website.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
no one thought ledger was a great actor till he died.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
161. ViewARandomList… : We’ve always liked him down her in Australia…
April 17th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
lo- mine either.I went grocery shopping and did the dishes.
Have a nice evening. Im gonna pop a top and roll a cousin of yesterdays list and chill.
I`ve seen 1,5,6,7,10,11,14~~ don`t know if there Sci-fi or not but I liked them.
April 17th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
At first I thought they gave Heath Ledger the oscar because of his death.
Then I watched the movie and was blown away.Very good job.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
mononoké hime… why is it on a sci-fi list… well It dosen’t belong in a sci-fi list in my opinion.. but I do agree It’s one great good amazing movie.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
“The Truman Show” would have been infinitely better if it hadn’t been for the fun-sucking appearances of Laura Linney’s character as Truman’s engineered-for-TV wife. Her character is so annoying, irritating, and ingratiating that she ruins every scene she is in for me. I have refused to watch the movie again solely because of her.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
If I wanted to see a list based on Rotten Tomatoes, I’d go to Rotten Tomatoes. Make your own list.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Okay – due to popular demand, STL Mo has sent in a replacement of this list. Sorry I couldn’t get to this earlier but I had guests last night
April 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
i think jfrater allowed this submittion because he is working on his own new worsts lists on listverse.com list, sorry stlmo having a relative great at something does not make you great at it, check out wayne gretzky’s brother, not another great one, how about obama’s relative in jail will he make a good president??? no.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
STL MO: I didn’t like Contact either. Thought it was a good idea on paper but very poorly executed.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Hey, to all the people being jackasses about the list; constructive criticism gets listened to- being an idiot only exposes you as an idiot.
No matter what you do, there will always be some small section that whines and complains. All of the movies on this list were good ones; some of them were questionable due to different definitions of the genre. that happens in real life at times.
Being a dick about it certainly isn’t going to make anyone want to be open to your suggestions of change- making a clear and conscise analysis that is understandable and productive, will.
Also, put up or shut up- when you can make a list that no one disagrees with ever, then maybe you can earn some credit. Until then, you are the lowest form of life on the planet- the fanboy. The only variation is that you are just being a fanboy to your own opinion. You’re still behaving like a whiny, spoiled douchebag that is probably covered in doritos grime and drinking extreme mountain dew while downloading anime tentacle rape porn as your major social outlet. How cool! Greedo shot first!
If the guy has done a bunch of good lists and one has a couple errors, give him a break and be helpful; he’s certainly contributed to this site a lot more than you have. Or maybe that’s why the anonymity of the net both scares you and makes you so truly macho.
April 17th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
You go Mr.Graves.
April 17th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
How is Contact (the novel) a rant against religion? Have you actually read it? As a Christian, I thought it was remarkably sympathetic toward the idea of God. Carl Sagan is somewhat of a mystic; he’s been criticized for that very fact. And now you’re saying that it rants against religion?
The movie, of course, is very movie.
April 17th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
great list brings back some good memories. theres a couple on the list that i need to see.
and bravo Mr. Graves. more people need to realize that. most of the time i dont even read the comments for that reason. whiners.
April 17th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Thank you, Mr.Graves! Well put.
It’s not easy writing a list. STL Mo, keep a stiff upper lip!
April 17th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Thanks for listening to some constructive input STL. The updated list looks great, keep up the good work.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
If you think The Arrival is superior, and clearly state that, then putting it lower down on the list just makes it seem like you’re not brave enough to put up with criticism. I guess that’s understandable in a way, after the deluge of comments already received.
Also, this is very important:
One-dimensional is not the same as two-dimensional.
Two dimensions means a flat plane. But how about this: If you mean flat, just say flat.
Flat.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
177. Angharad-
ah, but a “one-dimensional character” in literature is not the same as a flat plane in maths.
if you want to describe a character as “flat” go ahead and do so, but you’ll be using a terminology all your own, which will take more work than the established descriptor of “one-dimensional.”
this is also very important.
April 17th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Arnies a T-101 nto a T-800.
April 18th, 2009 at 12:14 am
well done rewrite, kudos to you, i like the choice of dark city at #4 and above the matrix, love it
April 18th, 2009 at 12:30 am
The List is now meaningless, seeing as you changed it to please other people.
If you’d made errors,then fair enough edit them out and acknowledge it, but you never made any errors…….you just upset a lot of nerd and geeks because you never included their favourite movies.
Stay strong, young STL Mo….the Force is with you!
lol
April 18th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Sorry STL mo, I had checked out your list when you had about 100 comments and as far as I could tell it was still your original list.
I have come to the comments section of your list at about #182, and have found your list modified, and without any of the photo support usually provided by jamie..
What’s up, STLmo? Stick to your guns and do not let the comments of those who have not taken the time to submit a list of their own influence or sway your integrity.
Stlmo, you have done more work than I, with this list in it’s original context. And to admit the truth, I haven’t read EVERY comment that has lead to this ooutcome, But I do hold true to the belief that you have done more than the average poster, just in the process of having a list that you have submitted be published by Jamie upon this site.
Stick to your guns, don’t fold to the masses. I feel your original post to be outstanding. And in the flavor of your original opening to the list,
May I suggest The Cube, As one of the entries that had filled your original list to the total of 22? Aw crap, you changed your intro as well.
STL Mo – Dammit, trust in your intelligence and if nothing else, Jamie’s judgment that you have submitted to quality work, and screw the haters.
April 18th, 2009 at 2:11 am
P.S. Pardon my illiteracy. I think you can figure it out, and if you can’t….
April 18th, 2009 at 3:56 am
178. lo
No. Just… no. No? Really no. Not in the least.
http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/one.html
April 18th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
What a bunch of whiny bitches.
Good grief.
April 18th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
132 JP: I have heard that a live action remake of Akira is indeed in the pipeline. In fact I just checked and it’s in development. Time will tell if it’ll do justice to the original.
April 18th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Might I suggest Stargate as a notable omission.
April 18th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Now this topic/list is worst than ever. Still an intro that is WAY TOO LONG! You and JF should have just pulled the original list and comments (it’s been done before) and re-submitted the new list. Then you could have taken your time and did it right. Also JF, being drunk at 3am is no excuse for not working. That’s when I do some of my best work!
April 18th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
184. Angharad-
here’s a tip: the whole of the english language is not limited to the strict definitions of terms used in mathematics. have you ever read a work other than a textbook?
http://www.websters-online-dictionary.org/on/one-dimensional.html
read the above, continue reading the varied definitions after the mathematics one.
how sad to be such a literal person, you must have a limited and boring experience in this world.
April 18th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
shit where’s blade runner?
April 18th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
blade runner is back in the 80’s!
April 19th, 2009 at 2:28 am
Well that certainly stirred up the hornets didn’t STL Mo, and the think Kutuup was dismayed at the reaction to his/her list
The only real problem I have with the whole thing is that coming so late it feels like I have been reading comments that are totally unrelated to the list I just read. I do not think that the resubmission was handled in the best way Jamie.
Despite all the criticism I admire you for tackling the topic STL Mo as I think the 90s became even worse for the Genre film wise than the 50s. Too many directors thought all they had to do was blind us with ever flasher CGI to make a great SF movie and forget all about the plot and characters.
Finally of the ones I have seen T2 definitely belongs at No1, though MIB should be above JP.
Cheers
Lee
April 19th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Why can’t movies based on comic books be classified as science fiction. Does there have to involvement of aliens, outer space, time travel? I think not.
By that token Spiderman 1 and 2 were both great movies. Bitten by a radioactive spider to gain amplified powers of a spider; sounds like science fiction to me.
I agree, though, with the number one choice. T2 was one helluva film.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:39 am
STLMo #111: Ahhh! I wanted to ask how you knew so much about sf but did not dare. This explains it. I have been an ardent student of the genre myself and am disturbed about people putting schlock fantasy in this genre and excluding the seminal works of which The Truman Show and The Sixth Sense would have been prime examples in another era.
April 19th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Event Horizon should be on there…but, I digress.
Maybe…these types of lists are not a great idea.
April 19th, 2009 at 8:16 am
What about “Spaceballs”–Oh wait–That was in the 80’s–Never mind. May the Shwartz be with you.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:17 am
you guys are ridiculous. First of all: Many of these movies you guys think should be on this list weren’t even made in the 90’s. Read the title of the lists! Hey “the william g”: was stars wars made in the 90’s? Lets think hard about that one. Many of these movies were quite good, so lets not overreact.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Good job on the second list! I still liked the first one however. I guess you can’t please everyone.
Keep up the good work, STL Mo!
April 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am
@ aspyr:
While I do agree with your main point, I should point out that he was probably referring to Star Wars Episode I (1999). Granted, it does have a lot of haters, but it wasn’t really *that* bad so as to make it an impossibility of someone believing it belongs on this list.
But I agree with you as far as “you guys are ridiculous” is concerned.
April 19th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Charlie sheen will probably always smell and grow on you.
April 19th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Ghost in the machine. Stories would be cool too. Shorter the better an author inspired image. Sorry.
April 19th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Ah ha! A new list.#1,5,12,13,14,15 and 18.seen them ! The rest i`ll read up on. New list is good to.
April 20th, 2009 at 11:31 am
good list though i got one complaint.
Its T100 not T800!
April 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I haven’t seen anybody mention Total Recall. If you wanna mention popcorn movies that you don’t need to take seriously that movie is a blast to watch not to mention it has some of the best Arnie quotes ever “Get your ass to Mars!!”
The Matrix should definitely be at #2 or even #1. Granted the sequels blew, but part 1 was good stuff.
To all those who mentioned the Star Wars sequels, remember this is a list about the best Sci-Fi movies of the 90’s, not so with these movies and I love Star Wars. My Phantom Menace DVD only get’s played to test my sound system with the POD Racing scene or to watch the final battle with Darth Maul. The rest of that film is pure crap.
Also, Truman Show should not be here. Some movies on here I don’t really agree with but I do like T2 as #1. That movie is one of the few sequels that is any good and in this case better than the 1st.
April 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Stop bitching, honestly. You all sound like ten year olds. Do you pay to see this site? No. Do you have to look at the list? No. Stops acting like such ingrates, if you don’t like the list then fine, speak up, but don’t call the writer stupid, because you only sound like a hypocrite in the process.
My two cents. This world needs to grow up, I hope most of you are still in high-school, and even then that kind of mentality would be barely understandable.
April 20th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
^ Thank you.
April 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
everybody stop slating the list its a matter of opinion everyone knows that if you dont agree with the list make your own =)
easy skankinn
April 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Glad to see Fifth Element, Galaxy Quest, 12 Monkeys on your list….I personally don’t think amine belongs on the list. But that’s just me. Independence Day was overboard self indulgent bs I agree. Star Trek 1st contact—when the borg queen descends with her silver spine showing…wow!
144…the sound the machines made in W of the W is what scared the bejeebers out of me.
April 21st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
oops anime….long day
April 22nd, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I pretty much agree with all the ones I’ve seen, but I think Event Horizon deserves to be up there, too. That movie disturbed me like no movie should lol.
April 24th, 2009 at 5:48 am
swegreek: no, it IS T-800 (model 101). There is no T-100 in the movies.
April 24th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Nice list, you’ve given me some new titles to amazon there
Love the films twelve monkeys as well as ghost in the shell, the sequel for ghost in the shell sucked on toast tho…
April 25th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I actually enjoy this list!
Truman Show is definitely sci-fi….(twilight zone is sci-fi and its very twilight zone-ish)
However i don’t think it is deserving to be on the list when “Pleasantville” covers social metaphors to more entertaining and thoughtful heights.
The only films i wish could’ve been added are…
“Fire in the sky” (solely because its based on a pseudo-true story, “Armagadden” (Meteors are based on science… Liv Tyler can act is Fiction), and Strange Days (hey i enjoyed it!). Anywho ExistenZ rocked!
~knowledge
April 27th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Bloomin’ great list, off to check out “La Cité des enfants perdus”, never seen it and it sounds interesting – not that I am a big Sciffy fan, but all great movies in their own right.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Surprisingly, quite a good list. It was good to see Pi on there (being my all time favourite film). However, as much as I love it, i’m not sure Edward Scissorhands can be classed as sci-fi -more just fantasy (unless you count the inventor/automaton side of it as being sci-fi).
May 19th, 2009 at 1:52 am
One of the more decent “Best” lists Ive stumbled across. I have little argument, enough to keep the finer points to myself.
But I Do think EVENT HORIZON could have gotten seeded on there somewhere.
The aprox 2-3 second clip alone of what the ship recorder reveals happened is enough to send chills down even the most season sci-fi vets spine. Pausing with DVD doesnt lessen it.
May 28th, 2009 at 4:31 am
you bible-bashing moron… your list is shithouse
June 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
You’re right, Contact totally bashes religion. Because religious zealots have never destroyed a mega structure due to idiotic and unexplainable reasons… uh… wait…
June 6th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
BTW, Star Trek VI is a WAY better film than First Contact. 1992.
June 27th, 2009 at 2:13 am
my favorite here id edward scissorhands, which is truly heartbreaking.
what..no godzilla?
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August 13th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
What about Armageddon? I know it was slightly factuous but alot of the equipment they used was fictional wasn’t it?
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Not to mention the fantastic theme song sung by Aerosmith?
Excellent film !
November 5th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Here are a few suggestions
Memories – Katsuhiro Ôtomo
The Iron Giant – Brad Bird
Cube – Vincenzo Natali
Strange Days – Kathryn Bigelow
The Faculty – Robert Rodriguez
I wouldn’t consider Edward Scissorhands a sci-fi film.