10 Vilest Villains of Fictional Literature
- Published December 4, 2009 by FlameHorse - 272 Comments
Villains – we all love to hate them. Without wicked characters, most books would be extremely dull. This list looks at ten of the most vile of the vile villains to grace the pages of literary works.
She covets. That is her nature. She wants Dorothy’s silver slippers. The Wizard himself believes that the Witch’s magic is more powerful and could kill him in an instant if he goes near her.
The Wizard finally offers Dorothy a trip home if she will kill the Witch. That’s how loathsome she is to the embodiment of good in Oz. The Witch actively tries to kill Dorothy and company several times, with wolves, bees, the winged monkeys, crows. She captures the Cowardly Lion and tries to starve him to death. She tries to burn the Scarecrow to death. All to force Dorothy to give up the slippers. She steals one of Dorothy’s slippers, by tripping her over an invisible bar. Dorothy finally has enough and throws a bucket of water on her. Why does it kill her? Because water is pure. The Witch is thorough corruption in all respects, and thus the embodiment of impurity.
No wonder Huck Finn doesn’t really care for religion. Why should he honor his father, if his father is a drunken child beater? When he first appears, he is pasty white, sweaty, filthy, stinks, and repeatedly threatens to beat Huck to death if he doesn’t stop trying to be civil for Miss Watson.
He is probably the only character in the story that Huck really hates, but Huck is also scared to death of him, and reluctantly obeys him as much as he has to. Pap kidnaps Huck and forces him to live with him, tries to sue the local judge for the money Huck found at the end of “Tom Sawyer,” on the pretense that Huck is Pap’s property, because Pap made him, and thus the money belongs to Pap, and was never Huck’s to give away.
Huck finally just escapes from him out of terror and loathing. Jim finds Pap dead later, and doesn’t tell Huck until the end. No one sheds a tear.
Forget all that sexual stuff you see in the movies. Dracula vants one thing: blood. He requires the blood of humans to survive, and has no qualms at all about killing everyone in the whole vorld, vone neck bite at a time, to keep his thirst quenched.
The interesting about Dacula is that he kills vone person at a time, and yet manages to vipe out the entire crew of a Russian cargo ship bound to England. He does this in the form of a volf, because as a volf, he is supremely savage, ripping people to pieces and lapping their blood off the ground.
His motive for traveling to England is simply that he currently lives in a remote area of Transylvania, and there aren’t a lot of people to suck dry. England has “teeming millions,” as he puts it.
The main characters of the book start to get in his way, and he immediately starts viping them out, vone by vone, turning Lucy Vestenra into a vampiress, scaring her mother to death. Van Helsing starts plotting against him, and he retaliates by going after Mina Harker, the most dear to everyone of his rivals.
He is vicked, cruel and heartless right to the end, ven they cut his head off and stab him through the heart.
All he wants is the whole world of Middle-earth brought under his control. Power, power, power. That is his motive. He also has a generous capacity for revenge against the Valar and elves, for defeating him at the end of the 2nd Age, before the story begins.
He has no one to answer to, as the most powerful entity in Middle-earth, and as a result, commits atrocities rampantly across the whole land. He sends his armies into Gondor, Rohan and the Shire, without provocation, for the sole purpose of finding his Ring of Power, and killing everyone in the way.
He is finally undone, destroyed into permanent spirit form, by one of the smallest creatures of Middle-earth, but according to the lore of the story, he is not dead. He has merely been dealt so severe a blow that he will never rise again (we hope).
His final words are, “If one good deed in all my life I did, / I do repent it from my very Soule.”
That’s the vilest “screw you” in literary history. He is the main instigator of the carnage throughout the play, and yet his only motive is that he enjoys what he’s doing. He loves to hurt people. He wants people to hate him. It is ecstasy to him. He proclaims in his big speech, while standing with his head in a noose, that his only regret is that he was not 10,000 times worse before he was caught.
He convinces Demetrius and Chiron, the sons of the Queen, Tamora, to kill Lavinia’s betrothed, Bassianus, in front of her, just to make her grieve. They do this, then rape her and cut her tongue out and hands off, so she can’t tell. Aaron eats it all up. It’s delicious fun to him.
Then he frames Titus’s sons for Bassianus’s murder, and lies to Titus, that if one of his family will cut of his hand and send it to the emperor, the emperor will spare his two sons. Titus complies, cutting off his hand, which is returned from the emperor, along with Titus’s sons’ heads anyway. Aaron knew it would happen, and loves every minute of it.
He’s finally caught and forced to die by starvation and dehydration. He refuses to show remorse.
Dickens describes him thus, early in the novel: “a stoutly-built fellow of about five-and-thirty, in a black velveteen coat, very soiled drab breeches, lace-up half boots, and grey cotton stockings which inclosed a bulky pair of legs, with large swelling calves;–the kind of legs, which in such costume, always look in an unfinished and incomplete state without a set of fetters to garnish them. He had a brown hat on his head, and a dirty belcher handkerchief round his neck: with the long frayed ends of which he smeared the beer from his face as he spoke. He disclosed, when he had done so, a broad heavy countenance with a beard of three weeks’ growth, and two scowling eyes; one of which displayed various parti-colored symptoms of having been recently damaged by a blow.”
Oliver Reed played him to terrifying perfection in the musical version, “Oliver!” He is Fagin’s finest protege, from years back, and now, he is well trained to steal and burglarize, but he is depicted as being just as likely to kill a man when no one is looking, rather than try to pick his pocket without being noticed.
He has absolutely no moral scruples of any kind. He is only out to make a buck for himself. Nancy, the poor whore he sleeps with, thinks he loves her, and because she used to be a pickpocket also, trained by Fagin, she feels unstable. Sikes seems to offer her stability. Until he beats her to death for trying to stop him from beating Oliver to death.
He regularly beats his dog, Bull’s Eye, until the poor dog needs stitches. Its so patently terrified of him that it follows him around, afraid to run. Sikes is finally undone by the London mob, which hounds him through the streets until he accidentally hangs himself.
from Milton’s “Paradise Lost.”
His motive for attempting to overthrow God is that he believes himself to be more beautiful, more powerful, and thus rightfully deserving of the Throne of Heaven.
So he and his minions, whom he has corrupted from God, wage war against God and his minions. Not smart. They lose, although they make a better fight, 3 days’ worth, than expected, because they can’t be killed if they’re already in Heaven.
Then they’re thrown into Hell, where Satan immediately decides on revenge. But not open war. That failed once. No sense in trying again. If he can’t beat God, he’ll ruin all of God’s work. It’s all Satan has left as a weapon. It makes him repugnantly underhanded, no longer willing to stand and fight like a man.
He stabs God in the back, as it were, by corrupting his greatest creation, humans, and introducing sin into the mortal universe. It will require the death of God’s own Son as recompense. Satan’s story is easily the most vengeful ever told.
Jean ValJean is released from prison after nineteen years, all for stealing a loaf of read for his starving family. That was a five year sentence. The rest was aded on for escape attempts.
Once out, he finds it difficult to function as a citizen, and steals out of habit. But a Bishop pities him and covers for him so he doesn’t go back to prison. Valjean then turns over a new leaf and six years later, has become mayor of Montreuil-sur-Mer.
Enter Javert. He is Montreuil’s chief police inspector and used to work at the prison where Valjean was incarcerated. He suspects the Mayor to be Valjean when Valjean lifts a horsecart off a helpless man. Only Valjean could be so strong, Javert remembers.
What follows is almost a thousand pages of abject misery for Valjean, as Javert hounds him all over France. His motive? The law must be upheld. Valjean had stolen a child’s silver coin out of habit as soon as he was released. He then tried to give it back but couldn’t find the child.
Over and over, Javert witnesses the magnanimous good deeds Valjean commits, and refuses to give up the chase. Valjean finally gets the drop on him, but refuses to kill him, even though Javert’s pursuit is the primary reason for several of Valjean’s family members’ deaths.
He releases Javert, who cannot reconcile this mercy with his conscience, and drowns himself in the Seine, rather than live in a world where there is good.
Grendel is the classic monster in all of literature. Except for his lineage, directly back to Cain of the Bible, he has no motive for killing and devouring as many of the innocent townsfolk of the meadhall, Heorot, as he can.
Whether he enjoys it or not is not said, but he is sure to enjoy the meal of thirty people at once. Beowulf arrives and rips his arm off. Grendel flees rather than keep fighting like a man. Beowulf finds him in his mother’s cave, like a spoiled bully finally beaten. he is cowering in a corner, and Beowulf beheads him. Good riddance.
He is the pettiest, the most underhanded, the embodiment of the prime, immortal blemish of mankind: envy. He has been said to have no motive for destroying the life of every major character in the play, other than revenge, at first, for Othello’s passing over him for the post of Lieutenant.
Othello chooses Cassio for Lieutenant, while Iago believes he is better for the promotion from Ensign. He then sets about ruining both Othello and Cassio’s lives with a web of lies. He cannot fight Cassio or Othello face-to-face, because he is afraid they will kill him.
So he corrupts Roderigo, a local moron, who is in love with Desdemona, Othello’s wife. Thus, Roderigo does all of Iago’s dirty work for him, causing Othello to go mad with jealousy over his wife’s apparent affair with Cassio.
By the time it’s over, Roderigo has gotten in a fight with Cassio, and they wound each other. Then in the confusion, Iago stabs Roderigo in the back to silence him. Othello kills Desdemona, whose best friend, Emilia, rats on her own husband, Iago, who immediately kills her to save himself.
How do you kill a fiend so vile? It is left somewhat ambiguous at the end, with Lodovico promising to torture Iago. Whether he will be killed is not stated.
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December 4th, 2009 at 1:38 am
nice list… how about 10 heros from fiction? i think atticus finch would lead that.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:40 am
I disagree with almost everything on this list, I’m sorry to say. Some arguments I have against the items you’ve chosen are that the wicked witch was comic, Pap Fin was totally overshadowed by Injun Joe in Tom Sawyer, and Satan was the tragic hero of Paradise Lost. Also, to put a petty criminal at number one seems really quite a letdown.
However, I don’t want to be a total downer – I agree with some of this stuff, but it seems to draw from all one genre, and its villains seem to be mostly cast from the same mold.
At the very least it’ll spark some sharp debate though.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:43 am
wow nice list
December 4th, 2009 at 1:59 am
I’m very surprised to see Javert on this list, he’s barely a villain at all, much less one of the top 10 vilest.
Iago at number 1 is great though, I have never had such a guttural distaste for a character.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Doctor Moriarty would be good for this list. I always thought of Zeus as a villain also so would he make this list as well?
December 4th, 2009 at 2:02 am
i love iago
December 4th, 2009 at 2:06 am
What about Nurse Ratched from One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest? She’s pretty villainous, although she might not be top ten material.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:09 am
@nipper (4): thats harsh
December 4th, 2009 at 2:12 am
Nice list … tough the response is … well … pretty less. And I think Satan should have been no. 1.
Not many people care about literature, I’d say, but good list. Hoping for one with 10 best heroes
December 4th, 2009 at 2:19 am
how about mother-in-laws
December 4th, 2009 at 2:25 am
Are dorothys slippers silver in the book?? cause in the movie and everywhere else theyre red!
good list
December 4th, 2009 at 2:26 am
@ nipper (4):
there is no way of knowing whether the bible is real or not, other than building a time machine and going back in time (which is impossible with current technology). therefore, you cannot call the bible fictional or factual. it is somewhere in between. you can compare it to the Ilias from Homer about the Trojan War. we do know that there was a war for Troy, but Homer quite probably has thrown in some literary freedom. the same is true for the Bible. we know Pontius Pilates (the person who sentenced Jesus) existed. however, we don’t know the true facts.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Voldemort anybody???????
December 4th, 2009 at 2:32 am
i like the list, it would be almost too easy to fill the list with all shakespeare characters except i do believe that you have to flip iago and aaron, aaron like iago used mostly his words and tongue but he made people do far far far more “vile” things
December 4th, 2009 at 2:35 am
@Maria Ly (10): wow, if you don’t know who these characters are you need to do a little catching up, i feel sad for you
December 4th, 2009 at 2:39 am
Evil step-mother should be on the list.. she just keep on appearing on lotsa books.. and she’s just mean
December 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Boring. This list is too personal to whoever created it.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:46 am
The demon Pazuzu from the Excorcist was absolutely gut-wrenchingly evil and vile in both the movie and the book. A part two of this list should definitely include him… but absolutely excellent list!
December 4th, 2009 at 2:47 am
HAHAHA!!! Silver Slippers. They are “RUBY” slipper. Jesus.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Interesting list, I haven’t read all of these so I can’t really comment but I just have to say that the Dracula description made me laugh, as vone is vont to do.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:51 am
Whats with the author of the list…he seems to so much like the english letter V that he is replacing W with Vs and inserting where ever he wants..(Dracula section -vants, vone, vone , volf, … and more )
December 4th, 2009 at 2:52 am
Aaron the Moor should definitely be more up in the list – at least beating Iago. And at nipper [04]- maybe you’re fictitious.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:57 am
@1 lala: Yes. Atticus is the man.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Dorothy had red ruby slippers in the Wizard of Oz, not silver slippers. I think it was the same in the book too.
December 4th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Javert is a outragous call. He kills himself because his principles are proved wrong but he can’t abandon them. The list is in an odd order too from murderers to thieves. In reverse it could work better
December 4th, 2009 at 3:11 am
@nipper (4): Is it possible that EVERY list on these site has to have a biblical debate???
Very nice list. I disagree with Grendel being N#2 (he’s just a mindless monster)
December 4th, 2009 at 3:16 am
maybe I’m biased because I am a King fan but what about:
Randall Flagg – The Stand
Pennywise – It
Other ones that come to mind:
Long John Silver – Treasure Island
Grendel’s mother – Beowulf
Kurtz – Heart of Darkness
December 4th, 2009 at 3:35 am
@nipper: I knew that someone was going to bring that up…
December 4th, 2009 at 3:42 am
@23 and 28: Dorothy’s slippers were indeed SILVER in the book. They changed them to ruby for the movie. Hasn’t anyone read the book? Anyone?
December 4th, 2009 at 3:44 am
And I was kind of hoping to see Fernand from The Count of Monte Cristo here. Framing a guy for treason because you want his girlfriend is pretty evil.
December 4th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Ellsworth Toohy of Fountainhead would have been a worthy addition to the list..his portrayal was the most realistic and in a fashion the most evil…..
December 4th, 2009 at 3:51 am
CRAP LIST – One can wholeheartedly agree with Mendacity (#2) – If one has to pick a single character on this list to be Number One – it MUST be Bram Stoker’s Dracula!
As for Sauron – he was only a (lesser) Maiar Spirit become incarnate: His master; Melkor a god-like Valar was far more evil destroying much of the Elven Race, causing separation and estrangement of the races of Middle Earth and ultimately authoring a war which dropped 3/5 of the land surface of Middle Earth beneath the sea.
AVI (#6) Agreed Moriarty should be here
What about: Mr.Hyde
Long John Silver
The White Witch
Cthulhu
Shere Khan
Grendel’s MOTHER (was the TRUE villain)
Ernst Blofeld
Hannibal Lecter etc etc
NIPPER: (#4) Given that the life, trial and execution of Jesus is verifiable from surviving Roman documentation and that Pontius Pilate WAS the Governor of Judea at the time – I’d say the New Testament was fairly real – Paul’s Letters certainly are – whether you believe in Jesus’ Divinity is a matter of faith – something YOU have NO right to question in another.
KGB99 (#28) & GIANTSHREDDER (#23) – WRONG! In the original book by Frank L. Baum; Dorothy’s slippers were SILVER. They were changed to Ruby for the movie starring Judy Garland (Factoid: Cinderella’s slippers were fur nor glass – suck that PETA).
NZALL (#15) – A new book by Iman Wilkens called “Where Troy Once Stood” has made a case (which is being accepted by more and more archaeological minds) for Troy actually standing on the eastern coast of England (near Cambridge) – the geography fits; the names of the tribes fit; even the directions of the fleets and Odysseus later voyages (The Iliad) actually work better if he sailed the Atlantic as opposed to the Mediterranean. Finally – Homer NEVER called the combined attackers Greeks; they were Danaeids (Timeo Damaeos et Dona Ferentes – Beware of Danaeids (not Greeks) bearing gifts) All fit better than Schliemann’s discovery and his forcing the story to fit his dilocation. Finally, the war was fought over TIN – not a woman! Trouble is – even a soft cover costs $600; or it did last time I looked!
December 4th, 2009 at 3:52 am
I’ve been here here even before Randall was chosen to be the evil villain of this list. I’ve witness a load of treat not to be here again for so many reasons,that includes advertisements. Maria, we need to pay our bills
hey we missed to include Randall on this list? just kidding, you honor….
December 4th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Of all the villains I always found Pew the blind pirate in Treasure Island to be the most damn terrifying.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:04 am
Why is Steerpike from Gormanghast not on here!!!! He would definately make my top ten list! And I agree with The_Snowdog, Pennywise is terrifying.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:15 am
Marketing strategies these days are bolder, I agree, Maria.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:20 am
Dracula is not a villian!! He is a most misunderstood romantic hero!
December 4th, 2009 at 4:22 am
You should include God from the Old Testament. I mean he is pretty vile, destroying cities and drowning allmost the whole human population.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:41 am
For some reason, for #4 the title of the book and person are overlapped to me. Is anyone else having this issue?
December 4th, 2009 at 4:56 am
Grendel’s Mother was more vile than Grendel himself. Grendel was just a monster who hated noise. And Dracula should be number one.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:02 am
To all of you that say that the bible isn’t fictional:
If you’re going to say that a book containing magic boats, zombies, angels and an all-powerful god that can’t defeat iron chariots; is for real, then you have some evidence to produce.
And no, “faith” is not worth damn, as it is just another word for “gullible”.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Good choice on #1. Iago is definitely the most cunning and manipulative character in all literature.
But I can’t agree on Inspector Javert. Justice is a value as much as mercy, and if he was overzealous in his pursuit of justice, well, he made his choice in the end.
I also think Milton’s Satan is a sympathetic character. We know why he rebels, even if you don’t agree with it.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:13 am
hmmm. Fictional literature is too vast a subject to pick out a top ten from. It’s too subjective.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:19 am
I just can’t believe that this list is Flamehorse’s contribution.. Poorly researched(in case of fiction,there are many other choices..reading variety should be expanded) and too many errors ..wassamatter Flames? Have you really written this list? Maybe your kid?
December 4th, 2009 at 5:31 am
how dare you not include scar from the lion king.
….ohh and speaking of cartoon character villains, that crazy bitch from sleeping beauty, malificent. she was a real pice of shit.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:39 am
From wikipedia: In L. Frank Baum’s original novel The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, Dorothy wore silver shoes. The movie’s creators changed them from silver to ruby to take advantage of the chromatic possibilities of the new Technicolor film process.
Does anyone apart from flamehorse and me still read books? This list is about literature – not movie adaptations.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Glad Bill Sikes was included in this. I think he was the worst. Interesting list.
@The_Snowdog (30): I would agree with you that Flagg is the most vile from King’s works. Loved him best in Eyes of the Dragon…especially when he was running up the tower stairs swinging that double headed battle axe!
December 4th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Interesting choices. I agree with some of the previous comments that Javert really isn’t vile, just rigid and merciless. When confronted with noble behavior from someone he considers to be scum, it totally snaps his world view and he can’t handle it. I like the inclusion of Pap Finn and Bill Sykes. You don’t have to have a lust for world domination to be evil. And you don’t have to be particularly intelligent.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:43 am
@jfrater (46): I read! I prefer it over movies any day! Some others mentioned the slippers already in the comments, so I didn’t feel the need to input that again.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:49 am
this has got to be a great coincidence
just saw beowulf movie (starring angelina jolie) today and was reading on it over wikipedia
and out of a habit visited listverse and on the same day, grendel is on the day’s list.
i remember there was a word for this occurence, ain’t it?
December 4th, 2009 at 5:51 am
When we performed the musical version of Les Miz, someone said of Javert “He’s so Presbyterian!”. (It might even have been the actor who was playing him.)
December 4th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Grendell is such a badass name!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
You’ve cleary never read Paradise Lost if you feel that Satan should be included on a list of ‘vilest villains’. As some body has already pointed out, he is more tragic hero than vile villain.
I’m not to sure about this list. It just seems like you chose the first ten that came to mind. And if we’re looking at all literature, you’ve got to say that the God of the Old Testament deserves a place on this list. That guy is pure evil.
Although on a brighter note you do win the award for ‘most cliched opening gambit’.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Norman Daniels From the book ‘Rose Madder’ written by stephen king should be on this list.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Vile = loathsome, isn’t it?? So how come we see Sauron instead of Gollum? Same goes for the Harry potter series (which I see has been unfairly denied a place in this list), where the vile would be Wormtail not Voldemort,right? See, so these blokes come under 10 terrifying villians of fictional literature, and not this one. I mean come on! Sauron would never want to share the roof with Grendel. Why, as I see it… its an insult!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:29 am
how about these:
lord voldemord from harry poter
golum from the lord of the rings
galbatorix from eragon
December 4th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Javert is not a villain. If there is a villain in Les Miserables then it would be Monsieur Thenardier.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:37 am
How did Satan, the Devil, the source of all evil… rank #4? One would suppose he might rank a notch or 2 higher… say “Number 1″?
December 4th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Heh, I KNEW Iago would be on this list – we’re doing Othello in English Literature at the moment and he’s pretty darn vile…
December 4th, 2009 at 6:45 am
i am aware about just
9, 8, 2 (learnt about him just today), 1 (vaguely)
how ’bout Big Brother from 1984
December 4th, 2009 at 6:59 am
I agree with the list for the most part, but Javert and Grendel, I think you failed. Javert drowns himself because he’s lived his life being absolutely sure of everything he knows, everything his instincts tell him. The fact that Valjean wasn’t innocent, but fundamentally a good man, and that Javert had given his life to pursuing him and causing such misery upon him was the reason for his suicide.
Grendel was just a maligned creature, an abortion of nature. You can’t really say something was fundamentally evil if it didn’t have the capacity to be so, or to have a choice in the matter, in the first place.
I agree with No.1 Iago, he was certainly the best. But I don’t agree with the comments – he’s my favourite Shakespeare character ever.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:05 am
@ 60 – one of the major points of 1984 was whether Big Brother actually existed. If we’re going to name vindictive, omnipresent beings, the lets name *cough*.
… Yeah that’s trolling.
Oh and to all you Golem/Smeagol people, I should refer you to the above post. He was corrupted by the power of the ring, I think any Geek can appreciate that.
Actually, Lord Voldemort is kinda badarse, even if you dislike the HP series. HE KILLS PEOPLE TO MAKE HIMSELF MORE POWERFUL. Pretty good show in if you ask me.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:06 am
@jfrater (46):
I do
Pap Finn though, seriously? I believe one of the previous posts said something about Injun Joe greatly overshadowing old Pap. I completely agree.
And how about Jadice/The White Witch? I was very surprised not to see her on here as she’s much more evil than many of these.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Other than the points above, I believe you have written yourself another winner on Listverse, flamehorse.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:10 am
great choice for #1, Iago is by far the most evil character ever
December 4th, 2009 at 7:13 am
@ mitch (60)
regarding big brother..
ain’t that the villainity (is it a word?) to the most extreme level that ppl fear him but dnt even know if he exists or not
also about ‘You-Know-Who’ of HP series, he ain’t that badass
i mean a kid is able to stand up against him
December 4th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I LOVED this list!!!! It´s like it was written just for me!!!!!
LOL at number 8, nice! Plus it was well written, other than like 2 or 3 mistakes which I think were typing errors anyway.
Love love loved this!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:18 am
@ Mitch (61) I agree with that actually re Javert, something didn´t ring right about not wanting to live in a world with good, that wasn´t really the reason for his suicide, it was more realising that everything he´s believed in his life and strived for for over 20 years has been a fallacy.
Still really cool list though
December 4th, 2009 at 7:23 am
nice List, I read loads and I enjoyed it.
I whish people who criticize would submit their own and proove they can do better…
Thanks, Flamehorse, for your good work!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:24 am
just to remember everyone that this list is not a “Top 10″ but simply a “10″… me too I think there’s a lot of villains that could have been in this list. But FlameHorse provides a good argumentation for each item, even if you disagree.
the subject is nice and a list title “Another 10 vilest villains of fictional literature” can be done and a lot of people will appreciate it!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Read Wicked, you’ll probably find that Elphaba isn’t so vile after all..
December 4th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Shouldn’t Satan be #1? I mean really, it kinda difficult to be MORE evil than Satan.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I honestly think God is the vilest fictional villain. He killed millions of innocents in the bible and has since been the justification of the murder of millions more.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:50 am
I’m sorry to be Captian buzzkill but The Wicked Witch and Satan? Have you actually read Paradise Lost or are you just religiously inclined to make him the bad guy? Satan was the tragic hero! And have you ever read Wicked? You’d know the Witch wasn’t always a b**** but was, like Satan, a tragic hero made into the villain of the Wizard of Oz through unfortunate events.
I don’t know, man. This list needs revision.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:50 am
I agree with Avi, Moriarty from sherlock holmes should definitely be on the list. Also I don’t know if you would count this or not but what about Napolean from Animal Farm. He represents Stalin and its hard to get more Vile than that.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Satan is a pussy. I’m the most evil motherfucker!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Good list, but yes I agree Grendel’s Mom was the more vile of the two.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:02 am
@jfrater (46):
Agreed. It’s even worse when, rather than just being wrong, someone arrogantly tries to call someone out as being stupid and then reveals themselves to not be as clever as they thought.
Wait. No. That is actually better.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I have a question… Out of all the people who are saying this list or any list is bad, how many of you have written a list at all? Moreover, how many of those lists have had rave reviews? I guess what I am trying to say is if you think you can write a better list… Do it! If you cannot, then disagree with the list but do it like civilized adults, not children.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Also, I could be wrong in my interpretation, but I always thought that Javert’s suicide at the end had to do with him “seeing the light” as it were. He could not just cease pursuing a criminal, and found himself actually having to deal with the difference between The Law and Justice. Since he was incapable of ignoring The Law, he ends his own life as his way of ‘doing the right thing’.
I found this to be an attempt at redemption, thus it would have made him ineligible for this list had I wrote it.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:11 am
@archiealt (53):
I am inclined to agree withyou dude…this list does kinda seem “off the cuff-ish.” Kinda…
I think THE JOKER would have been a good addition. Or Megatron…
Blackheart from Ghost Rider. He was pretty diablolical right?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:14 am
@Giantshredder (19) Ouch dude! You just got owned big time. Guess you have only seen the movie. The list title does say “10 Vilest Villains of Fictional Literature” not movies. I guess you can go and gobble a big, fat cock. Jesus.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:18 am
Fun list! Plenty of room for another 10 . . .
December 4th, 2009 at 8:19 am
nice list! though, i think melkor (aka morgoth) should be in place of sauron. He makes brothers kill brothers, he lies, he cheats, he steals and he corrupts everything all the other gods do.
Though… his story has a lot in common with satan’s, so i guess you did the right choice when you placed sauron instead of morgoth.
depend on the point of view. there are no perfect lists
December 4th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Also, if you like to read, you should look up “DROOD.”
Great book, and the villain is indeed diabolical. Just read the book…wow.
Or “Relentless” by Dean Koontz! Waxx is HOSS!!
And the boneman from “Boneman’s Daughter” by Ted Dekker too!
December 4th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Sauron should be 1. Interesting list overall, but not what I expected.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:42 am
@JFrater (46)
So if you had read the book, you didnt need to look it up in Wikipedia… right?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:44 am
I protest Javert. He always acted according to the letter of the law, which implies a deeply rooted moral code. In fact, when he finally discovers an alternate truth, he is so heartsick over his mixed feelings that he ends his own life. How is that evil, again?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:49 am
(#50 ME) I think that’ called synchronicity or just plain ol’ coincidence.
Great list. I smiled when I read “silver slippers” knowing that a great number of people wouldn’t know this, and many other aspects of the book.
JF: nice to include the pics from movies to trip them up. After all, most kids today wouldn’t know classic literature at all if it weren’t for the Hollywood treatment.
I’m waiting for Emmerich’s “Paradise Lost”.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Has anyone read ‘And the Ass Saw the Angel’ by Nick Cave? Euchrid’s parents, particularly his mother where quite vile. I must read that again.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I agree that this list is personal, but I’m ok with that. I love that two Shakespeare characters are on the list! Iago had no glimmer of guilt.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:52 am
My lists are so controversial…
But as you can see, I don’t entertain the naysayers.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@Ashleyy67 (71):
A bit of harmless trivia: do you know the origin of Elphaba’s name?
December 4th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Betterthantheoriginalwally (86)
I’m sure JFrater knows what the book says. he is a brilliant master of the written language surpassed by few and adored by millions. Wikipedia provided him with what the book didn’t say and that’s WHY Hollywood changed them to ruby slippers. (Of course if he would have read “Uncle John’s Bathroom Reader” ref: Wednesday’s list) he wouldn’t have needed to look it up on Wiki.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:14 am
I enjoyed this list. I think it would look different for each person who wrote it. My list would probably include at least five of the characters that flamehorse included. As for the others, good arguments can be made for all of them.
I definitely agree with whoever mentioned Kurtz – he’s quite vile. For whoever mentioned 1984, I would think that O’Brien would qualify as quite the villain.
It’s really hard to choose a Shakespeare villain, he wrote so many good ones.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Its a good list but it seems you’ve misconstrued the meaning of certain characters. Satan, as portrayed in “Paradise Lost,” is more of an anti-hero as the reader is made to sympathize with him. In fact, for the early part of the narrative, Satan is the protagonist. I would also like to dispute the addition of Grendel as he is another complex literary character that is difficult to reduce to the trope of evil villain, or even villain at all.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
@Shagrat (32):
“A new book by Iman Wilkens called “Where Troy Once Stood” has made a case”
RUBBISH.
First of all, this idea of Troy being located somewhere in Britain (along with a dozen or more other places) is an OLD one. Wilkens didn’t just come up with it. But it’s never had any evidence behind it and has never been anything more than ludicrous wishful thinking on the part of some cracked Anglophiles and the like. There were also theories that a Trojan named Brutus or Bruton escaped the destruction of Troy and emigrated to what is now Britain, managing to get the place named after himself and found the “British race,” who are thus noble descendants of the once-noble Trojans. It’s all malarkey, and scholars like M.I. Finley dispensed with this nonsense ages ago in various tomes that have gone over, at length, the REAL historical and archeological evidence regarding Troy.
“(which is being accepted by more and more archaeological minds)”
BULLSHIT. You name me ONE respected, accredited archeologist who accepts this crap. There is not ONE. Because it is utter, ridiculous nonsense without a shred of evidence to back it up. Here’s a DIRECT quote about this–sadly from Wikipedia, but it’s CITED, so it’s at least valid: “His work has had little impact among professional scholars. Anthony Snodgrass, Emeritus Professor in Classical Archaeology at Cambridge University, has named Wilkens as an example of an “infinitely less-serious” writer.”
“for Troy actually standing on the eastern coast of England (near Cambridge) – the geography fits;”
In fact, the geography does NOT fit. It requires a good deal of fudging and broad interpretation to make the geography fit. The geography for what is and always has been known as the Troad–the area in Anatolia around Troy–fits Homer’s geography MUCH better. Especially given information that has been uncovered over the years about the geography of the site during the Bronze Age, which matches up extremely well with the things Homer says.
But let’s get something else clear. Homer was an epic poet, not a geographer or a cartographer. He *was* evidently working off of information handed down by tradition from the Mycenean bards who preceded him, and it’s been theorized that Homer did do some traveling on his own to see some of the sites he was singing about (though of course there’s no actual proof of this). His descriptions of the area around Troy and its location in the easter Aegean match well with the site of Hisarlik, which is where Troy is today believed to have stood. But when he gets beyond the Aegean, describing matters pertaining elsewhere in the Mediterranean and even in parts of mainland Greece, he falters. This is particularly true in the Odyssey, where some of this directions and descriptions seem to make sense only part of the time.
The answer to all this has always been clear to scholars: One, Homer was mixing up what HE knew of the eastern Mediterranean with information he had inherited from the Mycenean bards. But THEIR Greece, politically, was very different from his. THEY had seen Troy during the Bronze Age—he could have only seen it some 500 years or more later, during the Iron Age. And then, Two, we can assume that while Homer may have known parts of the eastern Aegean and Anatolia well (contributing to the belief that he was an Ionian) his knowledge seems to decrease the further he gets away from this region. Clearly, he never traveled much beyond the southern and perhaps western coasts of the Peloponnesus.
So… while some of Homer’s geographic descriptions can be relied upon–to a point–others are surely conjectural or even fictitious. To try to base some wild theory of Troy being in Britain, then, on the basis of Homer’s geography, is foolhardy.
“the names of the tribes fit;”
Again, hardly. From what I know about it, the “fit” is no better than coincidence could explain, and again, is often built on interpretation and fudging. Whereas names in Anatolia, over the years, have been found to be far better–and more apt–fits.
“even the directions of the fleets and Odysseus later voyages (The Iliad) actually work better if he sailed the Atlantic as opposed to the Mediterranean.”
Bullshit. And Odysseus’ later voyages are chronicled in the ODYSSEY, not the Iliad. And see above, in my remarks about Finley, et al, regarding the inaccuracy in Homer’s geography, particularly in the Odyssey.
Wilkens and those before him in essence have taken advantage of Homer’s fuzziness on this point. Homer is inaccurate about parts of the Mediterranean, so, they think, we can make him sound accurate about the North Sea and the Atlantic. This is ridiculous nonsense. While it’s true that there’s some evidence of Bronze Age trade between Greece and Britain, (particularly in regards to tin) there’s also evidence that much of this trade was handled through middlemen. There is no explanation or reason why the Greeks should have bothered to go to war over a city so far away from their homeland–other, of course, than the near-fairy tale justification of the abduction of Helen. And while Helen may have been real, and her abduction also (but again, there’s little proof of this) it has always been doubted that this on its own would have been considered justification for such a long and costly war. What is much MORE logical is that Troy, being a wealthy and NEARBY city, was a plum pick to the Greeks, who decided to sack it for its wealth–with Helen’s abduction a mere pretense. There is NO evidence for such a wealthy, advanced city as Troy in Britain at this time–indeed, Britain was, in the Bronze Age, in a very primitive state (though the early Britons were highly inventive) and even if there had been, there would have been little sense or motivation for the Greeks to sail SO far to sack a city when there were countless others within much easier reach.
At any rate, to base ANYTHING on Homer’s often sketchy geographical data OUTSIDE of the Aegean is ludicrous.
“Finally – Homer NEVER called the combined attackers Greeks; they were Danaeids (Timeo Damaeos et Dona Ferentes – Beware of Danaeids (not Greeks) bearing gifts)”
He did not call them Greeks because the Greeks *themselves* have NEVER called themselves Greeks. They have, since the archaic age, called themselves HELLENES, and that is the name of the country TO THIS DAY. But you are also incorrect in that he did not ONLY call them Danaeids–he also, MORE frequently, called them ACHEANS. And that matches with knowledge we have of Bronze Age Greece—not only the Achean tribe, but with names which occur in the Linear B tablets. MOREOVER, it matches the names mentioned in the Hittite archives, on tablets which refer to the Ahhiyawa, which the BULK of scholars today now admit IS Acheaea—in other words, Greece. FURTHERMORE, the Hittite archives also make mention of previous troubles between themselves, in the west, with the Greeks/Acheans, around a city/land called Wilios. CLEARLY this is “Ilios,” and again, most scholars today admit this connection. And it makes sense that Troy should have been a western Arzawa nation, allied with, but not ruled by, the Hittites. The location works EXTREMELY well for Hisarlik, and indeed, over the years, even more linguistic (not to mention archeological) evidence has been uncovered to support this.
One other thing. Homer also calls the Trojans, and times, “Dardanians.” This has been shown to match not only a tribe known in Anatolia, but a tribe mentioned by the *Egyptians*–the Drdny–who fought alongside the Hittites at the battle of Kadesh, and who later also appear amongst the tribes of the Sea Peoples. Again, this makes sense for a Troy in Anatolia, which would have been allied with the Hittites. Hence their presence at Kadesh.
“All fit better than Schliemann’s discovery and his forcing the story to fit his dilocation.”
This statement is just pure and utter bullshit. Schliemann’s ORIGINAL discoveries and thoughts on Troy/Hisarlik were off the mark, for various reasons, but NOT on account of LOCALE. He mainly got the wrong LAYER of Hisarlik, when in fact Troy was several layers above. But his belief in Hisarlik as the location of Troy has been vindicated TIME AND TIME AGAIN by subsequent archeologists and expeditions. If you want details, I’d be glad to give them. A MOUNTAIN of them. Over the years the evidence for Hisarlik as Troy has grown astronomically, and as such Schliemann and his successors have not only been proven correct, but it has been proven with a near certainty that every single archeological scholar I know of accepts wholeheartedly. As do I.
“Finally, the war was fought over TIN – not a woman!”
Again, this is BULLSHIT. First of all, where is the evidence for this? Tin is not even MENTIONED by Homer. Second of all, as I said above, there IS evidence of trade with Britain for tin, but far less evidence that this trade was DIRECT, in any substantial degree. Much of it was overland, across Europe. There’s no evidence, nor does it even make sense, to suggest that the Greeks would have found it necessary or efficacious to go and invade Britain to secure a supply of tin. First of all, while Britain was always a major source of the metal, it was BY NO MEANS the only source. There WERE sources that were far closer to Greece—both in Anatolia and the Middle East. Securing a supply of tin could have been accomplished in far easier ways than heading across Europe to invade a country that was barely known to them.
Of course, Wilkens’ crazy idea is based on the even whackier belief that the Iliad is not even originally Greek, but that it was an ancient British poem that the Greeks somehow borrowed and made their own. This is ludicrous in the extreme. There is a strong provenance suggested for a Greek Mycenean origin for the Homeric poems, and no evidence whatsoever that the ancient British could have invented such a literary work. They too may have had bardic poems–but there is no reason to believe that Bronze Age Britain was a heroic culture of the type talked about in Homer. There is simply NO FIT AT ALL.
Wilkens, lastly, is a *classicist.* NOT an archeologist. He is quite simply another in a long line of eccentrics who feel some bizarre need to reinterpret Homer to fit their own desires and biases. There is a reason his books are out of print, and there is not one single scholar I know of that accepts his “theories.”
December 4th, 2009 at 9:21 am
another vote for Voldemort (harry potter series)
what about the Queen of Hearts from Alice in Wonderland. cruel, vicious (Off with their head!), stubborn, self-centered
December 4th, 2009 at 9:33 am
@Giantshredder (19):
They were silver in the book moron.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:38 am
@ Everyone who’s saying that Satan dosent belong on this list needs to remember that the author is only making a statement about the Satan from “Paradise Lost” a poem by John Milton. He makes no reference at all to the bible, so really regardless of your beliefs the Satan he is talking about can be included on the List. Though I agree he is a more tragic ant-hero in the poem in my opinion.
Good list by the way.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:41 am
This list has a problem, in that it leaves one with the impression that Flamehorse first went to books that have been adapted into films, and then worked backwards to the book. Hence the confusion some are having about strictly literary vs. strictly cinematic villains. The list has an air of the “obvious” which suggests that he FIRST thought of film villains, and then looked for those that were adaptations of books.
The inclusion of Satan, as many have already noted, isn’t really sensible given Milton’s characterization of Satan in “Paradise Lost.” He’s a tragic figure, not a “villain.” There’s some reason to believe that the villain in “Paradise Lost” is God, not Satan.
Iago makes perfect sense and I would have balked if I hadn’t seen him here. But why Aaron the Moor, from one of Shakespeare’s more obscure plays, over, say, Richard III? Richard is one of the key villains in literary history. He’s the template for the “fun, over-the-top villain.” Or how about Edmund from “King Lear”? It seems as if Flamehorse decided to grab for Aaron in order to make the list *seem* more literary-based than film-based. But in doing so, the patch only made the hole more obvious.
Pap Finn over Injun Joe? But for that matter, what about Uriah Heep? Why isn’t he here? Bill Sikes is a good call if you want a Dickens villain, but Heep could have been another, and far more of a real “villain” than Pap Finn.
What about Simon Legree from “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”?
Svengali from “Trilby?” Classic villain.
Moriarty from the Sherlock Holmes stories?
Someone mentioned Big Brother from 1984… this is wrong, because Big Brother isn’t really a *person* per se, in the novel… but O’Brien IS. And he’s a huge villain.
How about Quilty from Lolita?
Don Juan? A loveable villain, to be sure… an anti-hero. But also a tremendous villain.
All in all, I think this list grabbed for the obvious and managed to miss some obvious choices—and I suspect it was because the author was thinking cinematically first and in a literary sense second.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
@flamehorse (91):
Well done you. You ignore the people who point out the mistakes in your lists, rather than addressing the issues and perhaps explaining any decisions you made which many have questioned. Very mature.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Once I saw Satan from PL on the list, I knew we’d have a bunch of wannabe Bill Blake’s coming in and talking about how Satan was Milton’s hero in that poem. Ridiculous. Stop parroting stupidity your lit professor said because he thought it sounded cool.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:55 am
yess! soo many good ones on here. I love Titus Andronicus and Othello. I acted out a part from Othello for a project in my theater class, very depressing!Les Misrables is great too, as is oliver twist.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Dracula is from my country,Romania !
:D:DD:d
this is a great legend and Romania is well known for this…. my advice is to visit the places were Dracula lived
December 4th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Where is Marquis de Sade, he would certainly strip all this sissies and sodomize them repeatedly until they acknowledge his evil superiority.
Another strong contenders are:
- Alex from Clockwork Orange
- Bucslim brothers (oh wait those guys DO exist)
@bluesharpie (54): He doesn´t qualify since SK can´t be considered “literature”.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:07 am
@flamehorse (91):
dude what the f are you talking about? “yeh *grunts like cowboy* my lists are always contriversal. Ok? your list ismt controversal. liek 2 items on your list are. and for 2, so freaking what? what is the point of that statement? lol thats funny dude
December 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
1. Luca Brasi–”The Godfather” (those who have read the book, where he is more prominent featured than the movie, know what I am talking about)
2. Dr. Hanibal Lector–”Red Dragon,” “The Silence of the Lambs,” “Hannibal”
3. Barack Hussein Obama–”Dreams of My Father,” “The Audacity of Hope”
December 4th, 2009 at 10:21 am
add two more to the list
1. the man who corrupted hadleyburg
2. the man who killed conscience in the story Recent Carnival of Crime
both by Mark Twain (greatest author ever from US)
@ gav (88)
thanks for the word synchronicity, dnt knw if thats the one i was looking for
December 4th, 2009 at 10:23 am
@ r_Bob (73)…Umm..not fair. What if some people went round killing millions of people, and then said “I did it in defence of r_Bob!” Would that make you evil?
Being the “justification” for someone else´s evil does not make you evil.
@ Lubergoob (87): I never thought of it that way before. But…could his “deeply rooted moral code” really just be stubbornness? And failure to admit that he was wrong about a man?
Don´t forget the reason why Jean Valjean was imprisoned in the first place. He stole some bread to feed his sister´s dying child. If Javert had a “deeply rooted moral code” he would have objected to a justice system that would imprison a man for such a crime.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:25 am
VILEST is equivalent to-
most despicable
most loathful
most nauseating
most noisome
most offensive
most sickening
most worthless
most wretched
queasiest
slimiest
ugliest
unworthiest
Now tell me, WHERE does Sauron fit in?
December 4th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Hey, why voldemort is not here?
I mean he kills people just beacouse their blood status…
He killed A young father, a young mother and tried to kill an innocent 1 year old baby… he’s like the magical version of Adolf Hitler.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:33 am
For those calling for the inclusion of a Harry Potter villain please see the title. These are the 10 Vilest Villains in *Literature*.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:35 am
@ Giantshredder (19) : You just made yourself look like a major dickhead, mate.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Flock O’Seagulls
3. Barack Hussein Obama–”Dreams of My Father,” “The Audacity of Hope”
Wondered when the idiots were coming out. It only took 107 comments.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:37 am
@ scratch (112)
lol, mate
December 4th, 2009 at 10:38 am
@Randall (96):
That was a masterful, boner inspiring expose’ of wit and perspicacity. I’ve read Homer for most of my life, both for scholarly pursuits and for pleasure, and I feel like I’ve learned a few things after reading your post. I wasn’t aware of another location being considered for Troy, mainly because that issue is already settled. Proposing an English locale is farcical and preposterous. It fails historically, culturally and well, . . . geographically. I suspect someone is trying to sell books.
You see kids, having a classics and history background can be useful and fun when smiting your opponent.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
No Voldermort?!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
@ Marv in DC (114) LOL!
December 4th, 2009 at 10:51 am
*sigh* I know it’s terrible but I was really hoping to see Voldemort on this list.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Chanchita think people want Voldemort because Harry Potter only book they have read…
December 4th, 2009 at 11:03 am
nescient fools, I shalt sweep thou all with my broom
December 4th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Perhaps Moriarty isn’t listed because he’s only in one of Doyle’s stories, “The Final Problem.” Not much with which to work as far as being a vilest villain. It helps if you’ve read the work before you suggest to add him to the list.
Iago is a solid choice for #1. I would have selected Richard III over Aaron the Moor however.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I agree with the first post; a hero list would be a great list.
I think there is one glaring omission in this list. I would have put Macbeth on this list. Hell, this entire list could be populated with characters from Shakespeares’ work alone.
Good list; I enjoyed it.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:20 am
@psychosurfer (105):
The Marquis de Sade was an author, not a character.
Flamehorse courts controversy by dragging Satan’s name through the mud. OF ALL THE FUCKING CHEEK.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Very well written list. An entertaining and refreshing read.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Dude..Pennywise. That was one bad clown/spider/whatever the hell he actually was.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Wow, those of you who are saying Dorothy’s slippers are ruby have clearly never read the book. In Baum’s original book, her slippers are silver. They were changed to ruby for the 1939 film adaptation because the color would show up better.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Disagree with the Shakespeare characters and their placement. A true villain does acts without motivation or provocation. They do it because that’s just how they are. They see the world differently than we do.
Aaron does fit this, well enough that I would have given him a higher ranking, but his sacrifice of himself for the sake of his child brings question to his evilness.
While Iago does cause some major mischief, it’s a misnomer to call him a villain. He is motivated by jealousy and greed, and it actually kind of pathetic in many ways.
Look at Edmund from lear as a villain of a high degree. The amount of damage he causes is insurmountable, and he is calm and collected till the bitter end. His dismisal of other “evil” people blaming nature, or fate is a testament to this ” should have been that I am,
had the maidenliest star in the firmament
twinkled on my bastardizing.”
December 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Hey guys, I submitted another list, so hopefully it’ll be published soon!
December 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
@bucslim (116):
Thanks much, pal. I’m honored. Now I know you love me.
Positing oddball locations for Troy was a game for the bored, eccentric, and literary elite going way back–not anywhere NEAR as widespread as the game of proposing weird locations for the Garden of Eden or Atlantis, but still, it came up from time to time. Of course anyone who follows the mainstream view in any way knows that Troy is in Anatolia, because that’s where Homer said it was. There was then a lot of arguing about WHERE in Anatolia it was—but Hisarlik won out when Schliemann dug up the city there, and this was then confirmed by his successors, Wilhelm Dorpfeld, Carl Blegen, and the German team which is still there.
Now, actually the more usual play with Troy by the left-fielders was to connect fictional Trojans with later locations–like the Brutus or Bruton I mentioned. This goes back to Aeneas supposedly being the founder of Rome–and the Aeneid was written for that very purpose–to give Rome a legendary connection to the great city of the far-flung past. The Romans, ever the nouveau-riche of the classical world, were somewhat touchy about their humble origins, and stealing from the far-older and nobler Greeks wasn’t enough for them—they wanted some kind of ancestry that was as old.
As things stand right now, there have been ever more exciting finds in and around Hisarlik which continue to confirm it as Troy. The hope has always been to find writing there, but as yet there’s been nothing. However, this is probably due to the fact that A) the later, classical builders on the site levelled the top of it, where the palace would have been… thus perhaps destroying forever any archive that may have been there… and B) Schliemann himself surely added to this destruction when he carved out the center of the site, thinking that the Homeric Troy was far deeper than it actually turned out to be.
There remains the hope that some fragments of writing might someday be found in the debris from Schliemann’s digs… but I don’t think archeologists are holding their collective breath. The more exciting finds have been the Hittite archives, which as I said, are now known to make mention of a previous “war” over the city Wilusa, between the Hittites and the Greeks. Even Paris, the son of Priam, the king of Troy, is mentioned… as “Alexandros,” which was Paris’ other name. Even Priam might be there, as a villainous usurper named Piramajadus (I might have that spelling wrong) though of course this wouldn’t fit Priam’s character–but we can assume that many details got garbled in the 500+ years of retelling between the actual war and the time when Homer lived.
Sadly, we have no writings from the Hittites or the Mycenean Greeks that are *contemporary* with the Trojan War. This is because the survival of the records we DO have was purely accidental. Both the Mycenean Greeks and the Hittites wrote on clay tablets. When dried they were destroyed, either naturally or deliberately. To get them to last, you had to bake them in an oven. But this was rarely done. So few tablets survive that were deliberately designed to do so. (Some do, of course).
BUT, at the end of a particular city’s life, if you had a conflagration–a great fire set by invaders or what have you–some of the tablets were “baked” accidentally, and thus we have these records from the END of several cities–Pylos, for instance, and Myceneae. In other locations deliberate bakings occurred to preserve records—at Knossos on Crete for instance. The Hittite archives, I believe, are a mix.
A temporary ditch has been discovered surrounding Hisarlik/Troy, far out from the city, which has been posited to have been an “anti-chariot” defense measure. The size of the Troy site has also been greatly expanded from the original thinking, and it is now recognized that Troy was a very large city for its day.
There are many physical details about the city unearthed by Schliemann, et al, that match Homer’s descriptions… Homer could not have seen these, since in his day the city was buried under layers of earth.
It just makes no sense that the Greeks would have “co-opted” this story from ancient Britons or Celts. Their contact with them was tenuous. And Homer’s Iliad is the Greek national epic. They would not have “borrowed” a story so vital to them from another culture. Nothing about it matches the culture of ancient Britain.
I think some of this stems from weird British pride on the part of eccentrics like Wilkens, who are ruffled at their national failings in the ancient world. They want to have a culture as old and as high as ancient Greece, and to even subtract from it if possible.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
@Woyzeck (124): I obviously know that but it seems that my comment wasn´t clear enough, you could cite any of his characters since all of them have a autobiographical factor (even wicked Juliette and virtuous Justine).
December 4th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
No, Marv, it appeared with the atheistic trolls proclaiming God to be a villain, and then it went on to you. If you’re from “DC,” you’re probably a federal employee. It was nice of you to get on the internet during working hours to defend your boss/messiah. Now go back to your work in DC–running the country into the ground.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Have you guys actually read Les Miserables? If you have, I’m very impressed, it’s over 1400 pages and most of it isn’t even about the story. So kudos to those who have read it!
@damien_karras (92) Elphaba comes from L. Frank Baum, who wrote the Oz series. Oh yeah, and how many of you knew that there was more than just “The Wizard of Oz?” That was actually one of the less impressive books in the series, in my opinion.
And to whoever said stuff about the letter V, were you being serious? He was making fun of the way Dracula talks.
Anyway, this was an okay list, although I agree that it seems like he thought of famous movie/play villains and then went back to the books or scripts.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I’m not going to read all of the comments and maybe this has already been said
BUT
In the movie “The Wizard of Oz”, they wanted to stay true to use silver slippers as well but you couldn’t see them in the back drop, so they went to red!
Also, they considered Shirley Temple for the part of Dorothy :X
December 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Yes, Marv, because the country was so high above being run into the ground before your boss took office. . .
December 4th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Flock O’Seagulls:
And it’s nice to see YOU have internet access in the trailer park, goofball. Good for you. Running water too?
How very *prick-like* of you to make the blithe assumption that Marv works for the federal government. And how very douche-baggy of you to assume that simply because Marv doesn’t believe Obama to be a “villain” that he must instead view him as a “messiah.” What it must be like to live in a world with no middle grounds and greys. I’d suggest anti-psychotic medication to clear that right up.
As to the idea of God being the villain, we were talking about God as a character in “Paradise Lost,” clown—a tome I have little doubt you have never encountered, much less actually read.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
i don’t think anyone has mentioned them yet but what about Mr. Croup and Mr. Vandemar from Neil Gaiman’s Neverwhere. i think they’re probably my favourite literary villains (them or General Woundwort, but it might be a bit odd to have a rabbit on this list…)
December 4th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
@El the erf (110):
He corrupted the Men of Númenor and had them practice human sacrifice.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
@Randall (130): Very interesting thank you, I was aware of the whole controversy around Schliemann claims, still when I read his “The Gold of Troy” as a teenager, I found it quite entertaining and adventure inspiring.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I agree with Gastby, Moriarty is not suitable, as he only appears in one single story. It’s Hollywood’s take on Holmes that has given him such status.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
YES! another person thinks IAGO is the worst villain!!! loving it!
December 4th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Alex from A Clockwork Orange
Grenouille from Perfum
O’Brien from Nineteen Eighty Four
Captain Nemo from 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (maybe not as evil as the others, but still a pretty messed up individual)
December 4th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
L. Frank Baum was something of a villian himself; in the aftermath of the battle/massacre at Wounded Knee he called for the extermination of all native Americans.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
@psychosurfer (131):
Ah, I see. I misunderstood.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Iago is honestly one of the most inspiring villains in all literature, he’s the basis for so many after him, I’m glad to see him so high on the list. Morgoth probably should be thrown above Sauron seeing as Sauron was what, his high priest, back in the day?
And say what you like but I think Voldemort was pretty damn evil, and I’d call Harry Potter pretty damn fictional. I think he deserves a spot on the list without question. I see this list leans more towards classic literature but really, this guy was freaking evil.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Flock O’Seagulls
I don’t think Obama is a Messiah. I’m just tired of idiots jumping on the internet spewing anti Obama crap without any proof or justification. You made a blatantly politcal statement by claiming that he is one of the Worst Villians in Literature (You do realize he isn’t a fictional character right?). Oh and don’t worry, your welfare checks are going to be processed just as quickly as they always are. By the way I’m not a Federal employee nor do I work for the government. I’d say more but Randall put you down much more effectively than I can.
Thanks Randall!
December 4th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
To those that wish to ‘flame” you Flamehorse–Bah! This list was a good read in itself, and has kept the comments primarily scholarly—It’s a little tiring to go through 400+ comments made up of fanatical foam froth.
For me, I was a little disappointed to not find a King villain. I kind of see Annie Wilkes, the killer nurse who wants to keep a human as her personal pet. Or Leland Gaunt from Needful Things. He may not be a killer, but he has a knack for causing the misery of others for his own amusement.
But I do carry high hopes that we will see another list of literary villains.
And for those that say that King is not an author of “literature”, what is the definition of the word that precludes his inclusion?
December 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Yes, I’ve read Paradise Lost, Randall.
No–God is only a villain to dipshits like you, Randall.
If you’re in DC and you’re not a fed. employee, then you’re on the dole. I, however, am gainfully employed, thank you very much, and I am not the denizen of a trailer park, Randall.
The list is about villains in “fictional literature,” Marv. The villain need not be fictional. “Dreams of My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope” are not only works of fiction, but ghost-written ones at that.
Both of you can now return your heads to where the sun doesn’t shine.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I’d like to nominate Anton Chigurh from “No Country for Old Men” and “Randall Flag” from “The Stand”
December 4th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Flock O’Seagulls
Have you even been to DC? I’ve been in this city for 14 years (Gainfully employed for all of them.) There are lots of people who live and work here who are not on the dole and don’t work for the federal government. Your post about that shows how ignorant you are.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Mr. Seagull’s, flaming others really doesn’t seem necessary here. And assuming really isn’t working out for you, it seems.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
the list is interesting
Think it would be a good idea make a greatest sci-fi villains list to avoid debate over fiction vs science fiction.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Not sure if this has been mentioned yet…
but Big Brother from 1984. I can’t think of anything more terrifying than an entity (whether an individual or representation of a collective) trying to wipe out all individual thought.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
And I also would have liked to see a King villian. “RF” has been a constant theme in so many of his books, and is basically the embodiment of all evil.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Answered my own question about Stephen King and literature…Apparently the Nobel Committee feels he is an author of literature…They awarded him a Nobel prize in 2005.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Gatsby, Barry
Moriarty actually appears in two stories.
And it is implied in The Final Problem that many of the crimes Holmes worked were in fact orchestrated by a large crime ring. Which we learn in the book is Moriarty.
There for he is indirectly involved in many of Holmes stories.
And I still think Napolean from Animal Farm was vile. I mean he was Stalin esque. But definitley a great list.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Scratch that…God I hate phony google info.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I don’t think Moriarty qualifies as one of the Vilest Villains. It seems that he is more of a criminal mastermind. Kind of the Anti Holmes. I agree with a poster upthread that nominated Ellsworth Toohey. One of the few characters in Literature that I actually loathed while I was reading it.
December 4th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I would like to suggest Captain James Hook.
and maybe mr. Hyde (although he is also mr. Jekyll, no villain)
December 4th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
@max (21): Vhat are vou talking avout?
December 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
How is the wicked witch of the west vile?
all she wanted to do was take back her sisters shoes from a Dorthy, which the shoes didn’t even belong to her in the first place
December 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
@El the erf (55): Nah, I disagree. Because Wormtail, despite himself, helped them in the end, and then was strangled to death by the hand that Voldemort gave him.
Voldy, on the other hand, didn’t have a compassionate bone in his entire body, even before he lost it. So definitely, Voldemort was worse than Wormtail.
Also, Hannibal Lecter should be on this list. Even though he later became an antihero, he’s still pretty freaking vile.
December 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@Randall (101): OOH! Good suggestion. I forgot all about O’Brien!
December 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Boring list
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December 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Well that was supposed to be a violin, playing just for the complaints.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
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I don’t believe there is any documentation that there was a Jesus much less documents of his trial. In fact I think more historians who aren’t blinded by faith agree that Jesus is a composite at best.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
I’d like to present an argument for Big Brother. Yes, he is probably not a person, but that is just a huge part of what makes Big Brother so terrifying. Big Brother is nowhere and everywhere at the same time. Big Brother knows what you are thinking and doing at any given moment, and if you so much as mistakenly think about anything opposing Big Brother, Big Brother will hunt you down, fix you, and then kill you. Sure Big Brother wasn’t a person, but he had such PRESENCE that he could be seen as a villain. Besides, who says that a villain had to be a single person and could not be an organization or something constantly lurking inside the collective mind of an entire society. WAY worse than Iago to me (though I an not in contention with his appearance on the list).
Speaking of George Orwell novels, how about Napoleon from Animal Farm? Sure, it’s a pig, but it’s satire; what do you expect?
Voldemort, for some reason, never seemed as villainous as he was hyped up to be. Cruel? Yes, definitely. But top ten worthy? I don’t know.
I agree with Grendel’s mother.
Disagree with Edmund from King Lear. His actions were mainly out of his frustration for being passed over for everything in favor of his brother, and while that is hardly forgivable, it is an actual reason for his evilness. And he repents while he is dying.
Definitely disagree with the inclusion of Grendel, Satan (at least the Paradise Lost version), and Javert.
Agree with Bill Sikes.
I would include Claude Frollo from the Hunchback of Notre Dame for a similar reason that I wouldn’t include Javert. Javert was doing what he did was right, though it caused a lot of suffering, and eventually he saw the light. Frollo also had good intentions and was actually once very compassionate, but over time his frustration grew until he became (in my book) one of the most horrifying antagonists.
Just my random thoughts.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Love the list! I was thinking of some characters from various mythologies, though I don’t know if one could consider that literature.
December 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Surely Satan should be no.1?
Since he’s the embodiment/origin of evil, surely nobody else would even be on the list if it wasn’t for him?
December 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
where on earth is Nurse Ratched, Hannibal Lector, or the sort?
December 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
@Mendacity (2): i agree that most of this list isnt particuarly good but Iago was not a petty criminal. he was a master manipulator who destroyed lives out of spite and envy and never repented. that goes with the lists name of vilest villians
December 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I don’t know if plays count in this list, but Mrs. Lovett was a vile villain.
December 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Haven’t posted in a few days. Got to now. This list was terrible. Dracula at 9 and just some other lame asses thrown in the mix? And Satan? I mean come on! Yawwwwwwnnn!!!
December 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I sense a lot of discontent with this list, and I have to say it wasn’t my favorite either.
I do agree with most of the choices, but I think the problem is that you excluded some that people wanted to see on there, like Voldemort, Randall Flagg, etc..
Still, I enjoyed the list.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Dorothy’s slippers in the book were silver. MGM made them ruby ‘cos they looked purty in Technicolor.
I read recently that the book’s underlying theme was the U.S. monetary system. Baum was a populist and a supporter of silver currency.
http://www.halcyon.com/piglet/Populism.htm
December 4th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I was excited to see Aaron the Moor on the list I always think of him as the evilest character I’ve ever seen.
I would also place Joker on the list because his role as antagonist to the Batman character is so so good.
No Randall Flagg! No Jean Jackets.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
The worst part about this list is that it pales beside real life which has produced so many more evil bastards.
December 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
@me (109): Did you think the man that corrupted Hadleyburg was a villain? I thought he was a backwards sort of hero. He showed the town the emptiness of the “honesty” they prided themselves on. By the end of the story, he actions had made them less smug and actually more honest.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
@Some Guy in NEPA (177):
Nope, sorry… the old theory about the populist symbolism in The Wizard of Oz is nothing but balderdash:
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/362/is-em-the-wizard-of-oz-em-a-satire-of-the-french-revolution
December 4th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
How about Raskolnikov in Dostoevsky’s Crime and Punishment?
December 4th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I disagree about Javert being a “vile villain”. He is my second favorite character in Les Miserables, second only to the tie that exists between ValJean and Eponine for first. He is essentially a good man, though perhaps misguided. In his mind, ValJean was a criminal who deserved justice, and he honestly didn’t know (or, for that matter, probably even consider) that ValJean was actually a good man. I feel like his suicide at the end is not out of some horror that good exists in the world (supported by the fact that his job entails maintaining good in the world), but horror that came from realizing that he essentially ruined not only ValJean’s life but his own as well, having fanatically pursued a kind and decent man to the brink of destruction. In Javert’s mind, his entire life had been essentially wasted the second he realized his efforts had plagued a good man’s life, and his suicide is his final act of justice – the only justice a rigid man of the law could provide at that point: taking himself out of the picture, and thus enabling ValJean to live the rest of his life peacefully.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Flock O’Seagulls:
“Yes, I’ve read Paradise Lost, Randall.”
I bet you haven’t, really.
“No–God is only a villain to dipshits like you, Randall.”
I see you don’t know to whom you are speaking. Otherwise you would not make the grievous error of calling me a “dipshit.” That term does, however, fit *you* quite nicely. I can think of several others that are equally apt.
Had you truly read “Paradise Lost” then you’d know what we’re talking about in regards to Milton’s depictions of Satan and God. *I,* however, did not say that God was the villain, I merely pointed out that some feel there’s reason to view him as such, in the story. But Satan is not so much the villain of the story, either, than he is a tragic figure. If, as you claim, you had read the work… and didn’t get the sense of this… then I suggest you more than a little on the dense side. This is confirmed by your postings here, which hardly show you to be an erudite wit.
“If you’re in DC and you’re not a fed. employee, then you’re on the dole.”
News, I’m sure, to all the employed citizens of Washington who are NOT federal employees. Probably they’re just figments of our imaginations.
“I, however, am gainfully employed,”
Surely not at any kind of job that requires brain processes.
“thank you very much, and I am not the denizen of a trailer park, Randall.”
I bet you *are.* I just have that “sense” about you.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
This list was mildly interesting and cut across many genres. It did seem a bit haphazard, as if the author didn’t know when to be funny or serious. A minor point: picture of the motion picture versions of literary characters was distracting for me.
December 4th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
@jfrater (46): Thank you for that Jamie, I was pretty angry to see so many people stupidly say “lolsilver slippers, tehy were red! duh!” I’ve not only read The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” a few times, I read most of the rest of the Oz books when I was a kid. I do vastly prefer the movie over the book, I just feel like it had much deeper meaning.
December 4th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
I have an inkling that Flamehorse and Flock o’ Seagulls are the same person.
December 4th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
No. 2 is so freaking ugly!
December 4th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
GiantFlyingRobotman is me, if anyone cares. I updated alot of stuff on my computer.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Even though it is modern fiction, what about Anton Chigur from “No Country for Old Men”? He is one of the most loathsome, frightening individuals I could ever imagine coming across. He was brilliantly portrayed in the film, but man, what a scary SOB. And the “promise” he kept Llewelyn’s wife… Ugh.
Also, Charlotte Haze in “Lolita.” HH was a creepy, dirty pig, but I was cheering once Charlotte finally threw herself in front of that car. How jealous she was of Dorothy was just pathetic and nasty.
December 5th, 2009 at 1:30 am
Hey Randall – have you always been an obnoxious fucking idiot with way too much to say or do you just make an effort for this list: Right at this moment I’m siutting here trying to imagine you with a personality – - – - or a friend!
You are living proof of that old adage – So many assholes; so few bullets.
At least Wilkens has had the balls to actually put something on paper while all you do is sit back and snipe at onters: shut up or fucking put up you wanker: yes I know you SUPPOSEDLY work at a University – so what! A lot of floor-moppers work at universities – so why are you special.
You are validating my distrust of strangers – and assholes!
Here’s a change – try placing an occasional RATIONAL, REASONABLE and ORIGINAL point of view instead of just denigrating anything and everything anyone else might contribute. Dickhead
December 5th, 2009 at 1:36 am
@deeeziner (156):
stephen king, nobel laureate?? ha
harold pinter in 2005
December 5th, 2009 at 1:42 am
@wondersquid (180):
the man wwho corrupted hadleyburg corrupted the whole town w/o even revealing himself, that was the beauty of it
dnt remember, if the identity was revealed in the end or not
December 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am
@gav (94):
December 5th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Of course Satan should be no1, he “copyrighted” evil, he owns it, he made it, he is evil. Come on…he is the origin
December 5th, 2009 at 2:30 am
@Shagrat (191):
This Randall guy.. I know him, he’s the real- life-loser sorta guy who enjoys running hopping mad around here…just don’t be too hard on him, he might piss in his pants real hard.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Just read some Clive Barker and H.P. Lovercraft and you’ll se there EVIL. Good list but it’s just the opinion of the editor there can be more, it’s something personal, everyone has his own fears and people or entities whom are afraid of.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:47 am
This Randall little man has nothing else to do than write here pages and pages of comments, the comments should be short and on subject. Get a life man and a girlfriend. Goood!!!
December 5th, 2009 at 3:01 am
@63jax (195): Girlfriend you say??? Ha. Every fortnight,another girl,man.. this guy never went steady with any one his
The “Use n throw boy”,yea I remember..that’s what we called ‘im…always cracked me up…
December 5th, 2009 at 3:15 am
Spiderman
Come on man he can’t be that macho, every night another girl.What da’ fuck, he is some kind of beauty prototype a supermodel? I doubt that.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:32 am
Not a bad list. There were a few changes I would have made, but good overall. I noticed they were all from classic literature, so all the people clambering for Voldemort should zip it. Someone up there mentioned Eragon and that piece of tripe should never be placed in the same area as the gems above. Dracula should have been higher on the list is my only real complaint. He is based on Vlad the impaler, one of the evilest men to ever walk the Earth.
To some of the other commenters, check your facts before posting. READ!
December 5th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Rob
What do you know about Vlad Tepes? I am from Romania and Vlad was one of our leaders he actually was a good man, he managed to defend our country against Otoman Empire (Turkey) and yes he was known for impaling his enemies. He was never what Bram Stoker made of him. Occidental literature fucked him up. Peace.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:55 am
@63jax (200):
ha ha.” beauty prototype a supermodel”. good one. But y’now… these Rushdie type o guys, how they charm ‘em all with all rubbish codswallop they call as good penning.
He was that type o guy.. But you don’ get alarmed man, he always got those big teeth and potato nosed girls ha ha.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:00 am
how about Juda? i mean he caused the death of Jesus (although he was resurrected later; but still what Juda did was pretty bad)
December 5th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Hey what’s wrong with Galbatorix? If he ain’t vile then who is? He almost led a whole race to extinction (dragons that is).
December 5th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Satan is supposed to be evil but in truth he is just god’s most beautiful angel who refused to bow down to god’s new favourites. Plus if you read the book ‘Wicked’ your entire view of the wicked witch changes who’s name, is Elphaba.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I still can’t believe no one has mentioned Steerpike in Gormanghast, he was one twisted dude.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:27 am
@Shagrat (191):
Awww. I hurt your little feelings. Good.
Now listen up you little creep. You’re pissed off because you got called on the pure BULLSHIT that you were peddling. It would have been one thing if you had come on here and simply MENTIONED Wilkens’ theory… then I would have responded to say, “no, that’s wrong, and here’s why.”
But you DIDN’T do that. You came on here TOUTING Wilkens’ theory as if it HAD to be right, making TOTAL BULLSHIT statements (such as: it fits the evidence better than Hisarlik/Troy–which is NOT true, and the claim that many archeologists are coming over to Wilkens’ side–which was just an outright LIE). You have made a HABIT of this kind of behavior–coming on here making definitive statements that are DEAD WRONG, yet with an air of authority as if you know what you’re talking about.
THAT KIND OF SHIT PISSES ME OFF. Because all you’re doing is misleading people. The thing I hate most of all on the internet is people like you who go around shooting their mouths off about shit which in fact they have only a SCANT knowledge of.
As I say, it would have been one thing if you’d just PRESENTED Wilkens here. But you felt the necessity to PROCLAIM Wilkens as RIGHT and to LIE about it… presumably so some gullible people would just accept what you said as factual.
What kick YOU get off of shit like that I don’t know. But it’s typical of a certain kind of person who isn’t willing to delve into the facts because it would take too much time and effort. Instead, they fall for whatever silly nonsense they come across and just BUY into it. And then they turn around and try to pollute others with the bullshit.
I’ve seen you pull this shit time and time again on this site. And no, I’m not going to let you get away with it—particularly when you shoot your mouth off on a subject which is dear to me professionally and personally.
AND OF COURSE when challenged, the response of a prick like you is to go right into a personal attack against the challenger. You didn’t even TRY to refute ANY of the points I raised–which were NUMEROUS. You instead attempted to insult me, and tried to suggest that *I* was the one not being rational here. You’re unbelievable! The sheer audacity is shocking! I presented you a DEEPLY cogent, rational, and intelligent response… now if you HAD ANYTHING, really, in that head of yours, you could have come back and refuted my points, put up an argument. BUT YOU DID NOT. Instead, you respond with irrelevant bullshit about ME. Which is just total fucking desperation—because in fact you have NOTHING to say and no knowledge on this subject to back yourself up with.
Frustrated and bitter, you attacked ME instead of my argument. That alone proves how wrong you were from the get-go.
As for my professional credentials, asshole, the answer is that I TAUGHT this shit at a university. I was trained in it, I hold an advanced degree in it. I took the time and made the effort to accomplish this. IF you have any argument to present, then, bring it on. Because I’ve got the knowledge to back up what I say. I’m quite sure, on the other hand, that YOU do NOT.
As for my personal life, you just make me shake my head with amusement. I’ve heard this same bullshit time and time again here. I’m confident and secure in the happy life I have… and having a total stranger try to attack it is ludicrous and only proves that you have nothing.
December 5th, 2009 at 7:51 am
The character of count Dracula was inspired by an actual person (Vladimir Dracoul, or something to that nature), who was said to be so vile he frightened even the Turks. He put friend and foe alike on stakes and used both captives and his own men as ammunition, all still living to scream as they were sent flying into the masses. How’s that for a character?
December 5th, 2009 at 8:05 am
@ Chris30 (171) Try READING the rest of the comments.
@ Justin (183) I disagree. Javert IS a villain. I direct you back to my own comment at 110.
December 5th, 2009 at 8:26 am
I’ve not read the contemporary re-telling of the story of the “Wicked Witch,” but in the ORIGINAL version referred to at the top of this list, the witch’s description and antics differ considerably from the 1939 movie version:
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“Now the Wicked Witch of the West had but ONE EYE, yet that was as powerful as a telescope, and could see everywhere. So, as she sat in the door of her castle, she happened to look around and saw Dorothy lying asleep, with her friends all about her. They were a long distance off, but the Wicked Witch was angry to find them in her country; so she blew upon a silver whistle that hung around her neck.
At once there came running to her from all directions a pack of great wolves. They had long legs and fierce eyes and sharp teeth.
“Go to those people,” said the Witch, “and tear them to pieces.”
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The entire book, “The Wonderful Wizard of Oz” first published in 1900, appears online — http://www.classicreader.com/book/123/
December 5th, 2009 at 9:38 am
No Nurse Ratched? That was one evil nurse.
December 5th, 2009 at 11:52 am
@flamehorse (166):
Again, very funny. Very clever. Well done you. But on to more serious things, are we to assume then, that you haven’t read Paradise Lost. Because that would explain your decision to put Milton’s Satan on this list, and then your subsequent inability to explain that decision. Fancy giving it a go? Or don’t, I actually don’t care, i’m going to go drink my bodyweight in Snakebite. Have fun playing World of Warcraft.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Judge Holden from Cormac MaCarthy’s Blood Meridian.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Chillingworth from The Scarlett Letter.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Nice stab at christianity.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
voldemort
December 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Voldemort is a fucking pussy.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Thanks for that correction, Randall, but it doesn’t mean Baum didn’t drop little things into the mix that would go over the heads of children. In other words, not a straight allegory, just a wink and a nod here and there.
Sort of like the montage scene in the movie version of The Grinch that featured a peek into the window of a house where the adults were passing around a goldfish bowl and putting their keys in it. Harmless to the kiddies, unless they happened to catch “The Ice Storm” on cable.
December 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
What about Abagail Williams from “The Crucible”?
She’s horrible!
Ceylan
December 5th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I liked this list. I think I’m in the minority of agreeing that Iago deserved the number one spot.
There are a few I disagreed with, though. Grendel was a monster, not a villain, and I think there’s a distinction since he seemed to be essentially mindless. As a few people have mentioned, Grendel’s Mother was probably more of a true villain than Grendel himself.
Though Satan in general (since there are many, many stories involving Satan, of course) could probably be considered a terrible villain, I think Milton’s Satan was not so much evil or villainous as tragic and possibly misunderstood. Much the same with Dracula.
The silver/ruby slipper drama is hilarious. When people are wrong, I gently correct them. When people are wrong AND jerks, I make fun of them. Giantshredder, do some research or maybe read the damn book before you start mocking people.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I have to disagree (respectfully) with the inclusion of Javert on this list. I have read Les Miserables twice (all 1463 pages of it), seen the musical twice (once in London, once in New York), and had dinner with Herbert Kretzmer, who wrote the lyrics to the English version of the show. I have dissected, analyzed, synthesized, and reanalyzed every page of this work until I could wrap my head around it, and now that I’ve gotten it (mostly) figured out, it has utterly changed my perspective on life.
Javert is in no way vile. Yes, he is a “villain” in that he unwaveringly pursues Valjean – the good guy – over a period of many years, upholding the law despite Valjean’s numerous redeeming acts. Nevertheless, his dedication to the law is admirable: while many lesser characters would simply give up after the first few jailbreaks, Javert never relents. His dogged dedication to the law – the only moral code by which he lives – leads him to follow Valjean until he can finally obtain what he sees as justice.
Javert is so dedicated to the law that he fails to see the distinction between legal responsibility and justice. At heart, both ideas hold that one must account for one’s actions; if you commit a crime, you somehow have to pay for it. Javert simply doesn’t understand that imprisonment – legal responsibility – is not the only way to atone for a crime and that Valjean’s generous actions are his way of repaying society for that measly loaf of bread. He is dedicated to what is almost always viewed as “right” but such unwavering perseverance gets in the way of his ability to forgive.
Javert’s other shortcoming is that he believes people to be incapable of change – once a con, always a con. This is why he is so utterly shaken when Valjean releases him rather than executing him at the barricades: the convict Valjean would have shot him without a second’s hesitation, but the changed Valjean finds it within himself to let his pursuer free. When the former con man does something generous, Javert’s world-view is so shattered that he has no choice but to end his own life.
I’m not suggesting that Javert is a flawless, shining paragon of dedication; he certainly has his faults. He’s imperious, pompous, and as condescending as they come, and after a while I too begin to ask why he can’t just cut Valjean a break. However, his pursuit of the law and the “right” is definitely not a detestable quality. His vileness comes not from his core values, as would that of a true villain, but from his relentlessness.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
In relation to God being on the list here is a quote from Richard Dawkins “The God of the Old Testament has got to be the most unpleasant character in all fiction. Jealous and proud of it; petty, vindictive, unjust, unforgiving, racist – An ethnic cleanser urging his people on to acts of genocide.”
To the people that say this list is boring – go back to your televisions.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
@smbrickner (157):
It is true that he is mentioned in two stories, but only directly appears in one.
December 5th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
I just thinks it’s funny that people still believe in god. Don’t forget to leave some cookies out for Santa as well kids!
December 5th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
@Davo (226):
Dick.
December 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
@Drew (227):
Yeah total dick – logic and scientific inquiry is for c***s.
PS There is no Santa.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
@Barry Brien (228): pretty sure Drew’s point was that it’s rude to make fun of other people’s beliefs, not that God > Science.
And seriously? Not all religious people are fundamentalists who think the fossil record was faked. No need to be rude to someone who is quietly following their beliefs and not forcing them on anybody.
December 5th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
PENNYWISE
December 6th, 2009 at 12:19 am
Since so many people have commented on it already, I won’t go into detail why Satan from Paradise Lost shouldn’t be on this list.
Satan from the Bible? By all means. That would make sense.
But not from PL.Two entirely different characterizations.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 am
None of these are villains, they are all heros
December 6th, 2009 at 2:00 am
Here’s an 11th. The Reverend Lewd from The Horatio Horseblanket Chronicles. Nasty piece of work, he was.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:13 am
Pap Finn over Injun Joe?
well that would really make me laugh
nice list though
December 6th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Madame Defarge of A Tale of Two Cities was always a favorite of mine. Who doesn’t love an old woman who knits shrouds for her victims?
December 6th, 2009 at 9:03 am
By putting Iago at number one you keep all credibility, I don’t care what anyone else says. The monster from Frankenstein was pretty bad too if I recall correctly.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Sauron?
Morgoth was worse.
December 6th, 2009 at 10:09 am
@ Greeki527 (223) I quote myself in an earlier post. I have to paste it here because you haven´t bothered to read the rest of the comments before posting yours. I hardly blame you.
“Don´t forget the reason why Jean Valjean was imprisoned in the first place. He stole some bread to feed his sister´s dying child. If Javert had a “deeply rooted moral code” he would have objected to a justice system that would imprison a man for such a crime.”
December 6th, 2009 at 10:28 am
@Chanchita (238): You make a good point. However, Javert doesn’t have his own, independetly-formed moral code; he uses the law, in which he has been basically indoctrinated, as his moral compass. Because he staunchly refuses to believe in anything other than the law, he is unable to understand that Valjean was maybe justified in stealing the bread.
I don’t suggest that Valjean was completely wrong in stealing the bread, nor do I suggest that Javert is morally infallible – quite the contrary, in fact. Javert is so fixated on catching Valjean that he fails to see the bigger picture, which is a trait I hardly endorse. What I admire, however, is his unwillingness to just give up. Sure, he puts it to pretty bad use, but it’s a critical characteristic of just about anyone who is successful – what would have happened if, say, Shakespeare had given up after his first play? If Edison gave up after his first crack at a lightbulb? If Bell gave up the first time his telephone didn’t work?
And yes, I did, in fact, read each of the comments before I posted mine. I wished simply to add my perspective to the discussion, and now to clarify it since it may have been misunderstood – not to rebut anyone else’s opinion of Javert. Personal opinions can never be wrong because they are formed by a person’s own experiences and background and are therefore unique to that person; please forgive me if mine do not conform to yours.
December 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wicked? Pfft. Read “Wicked” or see the musical to get the REAL story! *wink*
December 6th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Wicked Witch of the West? Pfft. Read “Wicked” or see the musical to get the REAL story! *wink*
December 6th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
cool!!! =)
December 6th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Amen bruthuhs and sistahs. When I saw this post heading, “10 Vilest Villains” the one character who came to mind was Iago. Racism seems to bring out the worst in people, as we see when we look back on the Holocaust, the bleakest moment in REAL history. In fiction, Iago is the embodiment of racism at its most vile.
December 6th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
how about the witch in Hansel and Gretel? Not much trumps Vile than luring kids into your house and putting them in the oven to cook for dinner. This must be a terrifying story for kids, whose imaginations really work up stories to real imagery in their heads. Maybe the moral is stay away from strangers, but the Brothers Grimm, who were pretty grim themselves, really outdid themselves when they created this wicked villain.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
How about Mr. Potter (It’s a Wonderful Life). He didn’t even get his comeuppance at the end! Now if there were a ten heroes list would be topped by George Bailey.
http://www.uglywomansguide.com/index.php/2009/11/323/
December 6th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
@Woyzeck (218):
I heartily agree.
December 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
nice list!
December 6th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
I don’t agree with Grendel at #2, but then I’ve actually read Grendel, which was a great book, as compared to Beowulf, which was a dull book with a cocky, intolerable hero.
December 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
The list was interesting, and inspiring to say the least.
I agree with those that say that Milton’s Satan is more of the tragic hero, not the villain.
I also agree that Big Brother should be on here, it never says that only people can be evil.
I will argue that Shakespeare’s Hamlet should also be considered a villain, maybe not top 10, but definitely worth noting, he killed innocent people (Polonious, Rosencrantz and Guildernstern) just because he was afraid they were all in this secret plot against him and because they were close with the king Claudius. He may have started combating evil and in the process turns evil himself. Also, he makes it a point to kill Rosencrantz and Guildernster without time to repent their sins, and in the scene where he is about to kill Claudius, he backs off because he thinks Claudius might be repenting, and if he kills him then he would send him to heaven . That makes Hamlet pretty damn evil.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
No to Javert, noble fool that he is.
December 7th, 2009 at 7:53 am
I love you for putting Iago at the top or should I say at the bottom — at the bottom of human sin, comprising the filthiest and the most villanous layer of depravity. I am sure if we could see Satan embodied that would be Iago — crumpled into nothingness (as for as good is concerned) for his malignant essence.
Putting Satan at No. 4 is though mind-boggling for me. The two of these should go side by side or one after the other.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
what about the nurse from “one flu over the coco’s nest”
December 8th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Where is Darth Vader?? He has destroyed a planet…..
December 8th, 2009 at 4:48 am
Also I very humbly suggest Uriah Heep…
December 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
WHERE IS THE JOKER??????????????????????????????????????????????? AND WHERE IS LORD VOLDERMORT??????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jeepers creepers!
December 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
@teevrabuddhi (254):
You forgot to mention “No Heart” from the Carebears. Yeah, I’m sure there’s a book and, it seems right up your alley.
December 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
@Suzuu (29): Finally, someone else who has read the book. They were indeed silver in the book, but were changed to red for the screen because it showed up better.
December 8th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
How about Randall Flagg
December 8th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Sorry fellas ,all of you have missed out on Milady De winter from ‘The three musketeers’ ..she was a true badass villain..
December 9th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Yea lord voldemort should be here too.
but I think instead of being a villain (though he was an out and out villain) he comes to light more due to his undying greed to govern (…. absolute power corrupts absolutely!) which made him tear his soul apart.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:24 am
I mostly Agree…Except for the fact Satan and Lucifer are very different creatures in Judeo-Christian Mythology. Satan was of a lower class in the Choir of Angels, with Lucifer behind in highest Choir. However Satan is one of the Demon Rulers of Hell, alongside Lucifer and five other demons, which embody the seven deadly sins. Lucifer embodies Pride, whereas Satan embodies Wrath, Lucifer led the rebellion against Heaven, not Satan.
December 9th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I strongly have to disagree with #10. Taken from TV Tropes:
“•Watch The Wizard Of Oz closely. We never see the Wicked Witch of the West actually do anything to harm anybody who wasn’t trying to harm her. Throughout the entire film her only motivation is to retrieve her sister’s Ruby Slippers from the person who killed her (accidentally). Sure the Witch sets the Scarecrow on fire, imprisons Dorothy and sends her flying monkey-things out to capture her friends, but remember: The Wizard sent them to assassinate her. And she only tried burning the Scarecrow after he infiltrated into her fortress, and after she had used non-lethal methods (Poppies & threatening messages) to slow them down or scare them.”
December 10th, 2009 at 2:27 am
I largely agree with the lengthy cast of evil characters, but there is one I feel is missingm and that is Cathy Ames in John Steinbeck’s East of Eden. Cathy is possibly one of the most evil characters ever thought up in the human mind and I personally think she deserves a place on this list
December 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Javert is not a villain. Not even close. He has integrity and is willing to die for his beliefs (as misguided as they sometimes were). I think you might be relying too heavily on the film versions which always twist his character into the villain. Antagonists aren’t always villains…
December 11th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
In the ‘Wonderful Wizard of Oz’ book by L. Frank Baum Dorothy’s slippers are silver. You should definatly read the books. They are much better than the movie.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Good list, but where is Cathy from Steinbeck’s East of Eden? that woman was a monster…a sheer beast in human form. She gave me nightmares. She should be on here.
December 26th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
What about Voldemort?
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:40 pm
Some notable omissions:
1. Randall “The Walkin’ Dude” Flagg (Stephen King’s The Stand, with appearances in different form in other novels). The personification of all evil.
2. Tom Chaney (Charles Portis’ True Grit). He has always seemed to me to be an almost composite character, representing the worst
3. S. Behrman (Frank Norris’ The Octopus: A Novel of California). Another composite bad guy, representing the ugly, greedy and myopic rich people behind the industrial revolution. Meets perhaps the most ironic end of any character in literature. No spoiler here: you should read this book.
4. Lamar Pye (Stephen Hunter’s Dirty White Boys). The author sums him up concisely: “He was everything other men secretly admire: He was as without fear as he was without remorse. In a kinder world, he’d have been a great soldier, an athlete. In the world into which he was born, he’d become a criminal, a bad, bad boy who would know only one thing about life: what to do next.”
5. Anton Chigurh (Cormac McCarthy’s No Country For Old Men). Relentless and almost benignly evil, he is the terminator without metal. A chilling character unlike any in literary history.
6. Harry Flashman (George McDonald Fraser’s Flashman series). A coward, liar, womanizing cheater with no sense of morals…and the hero of among the most enjoyable series in literature. Written from the perspective of the character as a 100+ year old man writing with complete honesty about his life–which intersects Zelig-like with numerous real-life legends from Custer to Bismark to Lincoln (although the series was started many years before Zelig, so it might be more accurate to say Woody Allen’s character was Flashman-like). The fact the character is painfully honest about his own villany gives the novel a sense of integrity: you believe Harry’s version of history, but at this point he seems uninclined to lie. The books are also side-splitting hilarious, and as minutely detailed as any historic novels ever written.
7. Frank Burns (Richard Hooker’s novel, M*A*S*H: A Novel About Three Army Doctors). More vain and self-serving in the novel than the sniveling character from the show, Burns is yet another great composite character, representing the vainglorious types who truly make war hell. When a patient dies at one point in the book due to his negligence, Frank’s response is to suggest it’s either God’s will “or somebody else’s fault.”
8. Captain Ahab (Herman Melville’s Moby-Dick, or, The Whale). People may jump on this to suggest he was not a villain, but a representative of man’s folly. More symbolic than anything. I disagree. I believe he personifies the very thing that makes a great villain: a man so self-absorbed he is indifferent to the suffering he causes to so many around himself.
9. Max Cady (John D. MacDonald’s The Executioners). Best known from the movie versions of this novel: Cape Fear. A man so evil he blames innocent people for his own wrong-doing…to the point they must be “punished.” If that involves raping a teenage girl, so be it.
10. Agent Nixon (Matthew Bailey’s Don’t Pet The Dingo). Okay, I’m cheating here…that’s my novel. But trust me, he’s a bad dude! (Available at Amazon.com. Hint, hint.)
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Oooooo…thought of one more:
Hank Mitchell, from Scott Smith’s book A Simple Plan. Hank is almost a cliche “nicest guy in the world” type. Hard working. Loving husband. Friend to anyone in the community. Until he and his brother find a suitcase full of money. What made this book so earth-shattering was how easy it was to believe his decent to pure evil (in the book there is a scene left from the movie where Hank chops up a woman with a machete). In the end, what makes Hank perhaps the most ultimately vile villain is that he WAS such a nice guy. Somewhere in all of us there is a villain waiting to get out…and there is nothing it won’t eventually stoop to in the right circumstance.
January 2nd, 2010 at 11:51 pm
PS: I agree with many who suggest that Javert is truly “a villain” in that he is a basically good person who honestly believes in justice…but is driven mad by his obsession. He is more to be pitied than hated.
January 17th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Vorbis
from terry pratchetts ’small gods’ has in my mind gotta be one of the vilest.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Morgoth should be on there instead of Sauron.
February 2nd, 2010 at 5:50 pm
I think that at least one of Stephen Kings characters should have made it considering just how many novels full of them there are.
I think Mathew is right with his nod to Randal Flagg, if not him you could always choose Mortred or The Crimson King from the Dark Tower series.
BTW: maybe Jim Rennie (“Big Jim”) from the new Under The Dome could be considered. I finished reading it a couple months ago and it literally cuased my audible anquish as i cringed at the things he does.