Top 10 Cocaine Songs Of All Time
- Published July 3, 2008 - 314 Comments
Cocaine has had a significant impact on popular music. While booze is far more likely to result in sloppy work and an unsightly beer gut in middle age, coke leaves you wired enough to ensure that you will produce a whole lot of something, and thus ups the odds that you will actually produce something good.
Keith Richards may have fallen out of a tree in Fiji while out of his gourd on other than vitamin supplements, but he is what rock n’ roll is all about: debauchery. And, while a sober Eric Clapton was quoted as saying, “I hate listening to my old records, which I did stoned or drunk,” he’s alone in that camp as most fans of his music hate listening to anything that he’s done straight.
Keith Richards’ entire career, Neil Young’s coked out performance at “The Last Waltz”, Stevie Nicks having built up such a tolerance to cocaine that she had to have it blown up her rectum to get a high (this never happened, apparently, but is nonetheless one of the more entertaining urban legends), cocaine use is an integral part of the rock-star lifestyle. It’s what young boys dream about: One day, if I practice enough and work on perfecting my skills as a singer-songwriter, I too will be able to snort cocaine off of the breasts of a vacant-eyed stripper whose name I’ll forget before I’m back on the tour bus and liquidating a savings account by mobile phone to settle debts with unsavory characters.
Here we have compiled a list of the Top 10 Cocaine Songs of all time — songs about, influenced by, and more than likely written on clouds of Peruvian marching powder:
In this one, the good Reverend regales us with the modern day parable of a farmer out in his field pulling corn and carrots “when two low-flying aeroplanes, ’bout a hundred feet high/dropped a bunch o’ bales o’ somethin’, some hit me in the eye”. The farmer cuts the bales open and notices a mysterious powder inside. Being a rube, for whom presumably white lightnin’ is still the biggest thrill in town, he has no idea what it is and brings it to his “Crazy Brother Joe”: “He sniffed it up and kicked his heels, said, ‘Horton, that’s some blow!’” Our lucky farming friend then heads into Dallas, becomes a millionaire by selling his find, ditches his farm in Texas and buys another in Peru. Think of it like the Bill Paxton movie “A Simple Plan”, only a whole lot happier and without Billy Bob Thornton in the role of a mouth-breather. We can safely assume that at some later point in this farmer’s life the drug dealers whose fortune he stole would have tracked him down and introduced him to the latest in Columbian necktie attire, however, for taking a different angle on the cocaine song and for its appreciation of the entrepreneurial spirit, we salute the Reverend Horton Heat and include “Bales of Cocaine” on our Top 10 Cocaine Songs of All Time list:
Bales of cocaine, fallin’ from low-flyin’ plane
I don’t know who done dropped ‘em, but I thank ‘em just the same
Bales of cocaine, fallin’ like a foreign rain
My life changed completely by the low-flyin’ planes
This is a song that needs to wipe its nose before returning to the dinner table. With two founding members who met in a tattoo parlor and bonded over their mutual love of AC/DC, Buckcherry exemplifies the type of hard rockin’ lifestyle that has enriched many a well-connected roadie. A song meant more for the mosh-pit than for lyrical analysis, this one is interesting though for the number of places in which the narrator gets “lit up”. They include: a plane, his couch, his bed, on a train and backstage somewhere with a groupie knocking, “Crack the door for the curious girl cuz she’s waitin’ she’s been waitin’…” And fulfilling the age-old maxim that all bands who look like this will eventually do something that reminds one of Spinal Tap, we get a replay of the classic, “It goes up to 11″ bit of dialogue in the following bit of verse: “I’m in touch love, from this crutch/Well you’re on ten but buddy I’m on eleven”.
“I’m on a plane With cocaine And yes I’m all lit up again”
“I don’t do cocaine anymore. Well, only occasionally,” GNR guitarist Slash, 1992. Long before the band broke up and Axl Rose set about attempting to strangle whatever bit of fan support they had with the “Chinese Democracy” debacle, the Gunners were at the forefront of cocaine-fueled hard rock with Appetite For Destruction, and “My Michelle” was one of their best. The Michelle in the song actually existed. She knew the band and asked Axl to pen a tune for her. She did not get “Sweet Child Of Mine” treatment. This one tells a story of a hard-living woman whose “daddy works in porno/Now that mommy’s not around/She used to love her heroin/but now she’s in the ground.” The song and the real-life story both have a happy ending, as, according to Slash’s biography (which would no doubt require a snort of something illicit to get through), Michelle has since moved across the country and cleaned up her act.
“So you stay out late at night And you do your coke for free Drivin’ your friends crazy With your life’s insanity”
Though better known for penning that motet Sweet Home Alabama, heard if a case of Amstel Light, a $150 Yamaha guitar, a group of white people, or a campfire are within a 100-yard radius, Skynyrd is also known for this thoroughly unpleasantly titled opus: ‘What’s that smell?’ being one of the worst questions you can ever hear uttered, along with ‘Is anyone here a vegetarian?’ A well-worn refrain when it comes to the rock ‘n’ roll lifestyle, members of the band were killed by over-consumption, but in this case, it was of fuel, at least according to the National Transportation Safety Board, who determined this caused their plane to take a nosedive into a Mississippi forest. This song references an earlier and less-killing crash involving guitarist Gary Rossington, whiskey, coke and an oak tree that would just not get out of the way.
“Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars
Oak tree you’re in my way
There’s too much coke and too much smoke
Look what’s going on inside you
With an obstructed view concert ticket to one of their performances costing in the range of your average eight-ball, The Eagles certainly know a thing or two about life in the fast lane, a song inspired by a road trip Glenn Frey took with a dealer named ‘The Count’. In ‘Hotel California’, (a song so ubiquitous you can be wandering the rugged mountains of northern Laos and hear a villager who’s otherwise had no contact with modernity, humming a few bars) there were ‘mirrors were on the ceiling’, and in this song, their paean to hard-living, they served a dual purpose other than a means to admire your feather mullet and creepy mustache.
“They threw outrageous parties, they paid heavenly bills
There were lines on the mirror, lines on her face”
These Dead songs casually mention cocaine use as part of the average work day for those in two occupations — a train conductor and a trucker — and we’re hoping this was more fantasy than fiction. Truckers are already not the kind of people that most like to share the road with — their egos being inflated in proportion to their rigs and requiring no further boost from chemicals. Cocaine use might, however, explain, how train conductors can crash something that sets out on a predetermined track. The ‘livin’ on reds, vitamin C and cocaine” lifestyle is unlikely to feature prominently in the health and wellness section of your local bookstore alongside “You: On a Diet”, or “Train your Brain to Think like a Thin Person”.
“Driving that train, high on cocaine,
Casey Jones is ready, watch your speed.”“Livin’ on reds, vitamin C, and cocaine
All a friend can say is ain’t it a shame?”
Pound for pound, or more accurately, ounce for ounce, “Sticky Fingers” is one of the most drug-addled albums ever released, with nearly half of the songs on it in some way referencing drugs either obliquely, or quite explicitly with heroin in Dead Flowers, morphine in Sister Morphine, or singing the praises of a nighttime bump in Moonlight Mile. Sticky Fingers, along with Neil Young’s “Tonight’s the Night” are among the most depressing albums of the 1970s, and together make the Tom Waits song catalog sound like the collected works of the Village People by comparison.
“Yeah, you got satin shoes
Yeah, you got plastic boots
Ya’ll got cocaine eyes
Yeah, you got speed-freak jive”“Sweet cousin cocaine, lay your cool cool hand on my head
Ah, come on, sister morphine, you better make up my bed”“When the wind blows and the rain feels cold with a head full of snow, with a head full of snow”
There are numerous songs out there that go by the name “Cocaine Blues” or a variation thereof, presumably because there was no shortage of real-life material on which to base such ditties. We’re slotting two of the more prominent in our third and second spots. The first is a “traditional” song, which means that it’s public domain and can therefore be burned, photocopied, recorded, dubbed over, mixed with farm animal sounds, and played over and over again on the street corner to the annoyance of everyone within 100 yards (public noise ordinances notwithstanding) — all with copyright-infringement impunity. The Reverend Gary Davis, who, unlike Brother Horton Heat earlier in the list, actually was an ordained minister, laid down the definitive version of this one, and a young Bob Dylan added it to his repertoire. This version takes us through some of the less pleasant aspects of cocaine use — hence the “blues” part — including:
Any pretense to romance going out the window:
You take Sally, an’ I’ll take Sue,
Ain’t nah difference between the two.
Cocaine all around my brain.
Unpleasant physical effects:
Hey baby, you better come here quick,
This old cocaine ’bout to make me sick.
Cocaine all around my brain.
And one quite bizarre veterinary notion:
Cocaine’s for horses and it’s not for men,
Doctor said it kill you, but he didn’t say when.
Cocaine all around my brain.
The second of our public domain songs (go ahead and record this one on YouTube using a butt kazoo and a ukulele for all the record companies care) was first known by the far more ominous sounding name “Transfusion Blues”, but popularized as Cocaine Blues by none other than the Man in Black (especially after Labor Day) Johnny Cash. This was one of the songs that Cash sang at Folsom Prison that no doubt had the guards ruining underwear while wondering whether they would soon have a riot on their hands. This super-charged song tells the story of Willie Lee, a “hack”, which we presume means either a prison guard or cop, as a reporter for a schlock newspaper wouldn’t be as cool, who takes a shot of cocaine and shoots his cheating woman down. He then flees to Mexico, but is apprehended, put before a jury of “12 honest men” and sentenced to “99 years in the Folsom Pen”. By the end the convicted prisoner advises his fellows to stay off the cocaine, not to murder, mind you, but to avoid the cocaine; he seems ok about the murdering your wife part.
The judge he smiled as he picked up his pen
99 years in the Folsom pen
99 years underneath that ground
I can’t forget the day I shot that bad bitch down
Come on you’ve gotta listen unto me
lay off that whiskey and let that cocaine be
Don’t be fooled by Clapton’s fatigued version, this gem penned by J.J. Cale (a man to whom Slow Hand arguably owes his entire career) is in our estimation, the definitive blizzard ditty. Clapton is quoted on Wikipedia as having once said that “Cocaine” is actually an anti-cocaine song. If you study it or look at it with a little bit of thought… from a distance… or as it goes by… it just sounds like a song about cocaine. But in actual fact, it is quite cleverly anti-cocaine.” Being that Clapton didn’t write this song, this opinion is about as valuable as the answer you’d get if you asked the Byrds what they were thinking when they came up with “Mr. Tambourine Man”. Defending his position, Clapton mentions the lyric, “If you wanna get down, down on the ground; cocaine” to demonstrate that the song is anti-coke. He doesn’t mention though that every other lyric in the song could feature in the text of a Colombian drug-runner’s spring/fall catalogue:
If you want to hang out, you’ve got to take her out, cocaine
She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie, cocaine
If you got bad news, you want to kick them blues, cocaine
When your day is done and you got to run, cocaine
She don’t lie, she don’t lie, she don’t lie, cocaine
If your thing is gone and you want to ride on, cocaine
Dont forget this fact, you cant get it back, cocaine
She dont lie, she dont lie, she don’t lie, cocaine
Honorable or dishonorable omissions: Never Change (Jay-Z), Snowblind (Black Sabbath), Cocaine (The Game), No Thing On Me (Curtis Mayfield), What A Waster (The Libertines), Picture (Kid Rock)
Contributor: Sharkguys












July 3rd, 2008 at 3:51 am
Hah! What an original list
. I love the idea!
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:54 am
nice list! love songs about drugs… wonder why… lol! Always good to see some controversial content. Kudos!!
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:55 am
p.s. I’ll have buckcherry in my head all day now.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 am
Great list, with enough vids to keep me from getting any work done for a nice long time
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:23 am
Small correction. The Dead’s song, “Truckin”, is not actually about truck driving. It is a semi-autobiographical song the band wrote about life on the road. The whole line that mentions cocaine goes, “What in the world ever became of Sweet Jane? She lost her sparkle, you know she isn’t the same. Livin of reds, vitamin C, and cocaine. All a friend can say is ‘ain’t it a shame.’” So, the reds, vitamin C and cocaine refers to fans, friends, hangers on, and/or groupies of rock bands, not truckers.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:24 am
I don’t know why it doesn’t say it but the Rolling Stones song being played is Can’t You Hear Me Knocking?
On a side note I have a new current favorite song in Lit up.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:30 am
You left out a major anti-cocaine song by Frank Zappa – Cocaine Decisions. A beautiful melody and rhythm with the power of Zappa’s razor sharp wit and his ability to turn a phrase. A snippet from the master:
Cocaine decisions . . .
You are a doctor or a lawyer
You got an office with a foyer
And the cocaine decisions that you make today
Will not be discovered till it’s over ‘n’ done
By the customers you hold at bay
Cocaine decisions . . .
You are a movie business guy
You got accountants who supply
The necessary figures
To determine when you fly
To Acapulco
Where all your friends go
Cocaine decisions . . .
We must watch the stuff you make
You have let us eat the cake
While your accountants tell you Yes Yes Yes
You make EXPENSIVE UGLINESS
(How do you do it? – let me guess . . .)
Cocaine decisions . . .
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:34 am
Good list.
Is heroin next?
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:39 am
what a shame that something so terribly devestating is praised in popular music. how far we have fallen.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:53 am
That’s what I thought, DiscHuker. This list is in pretty bad taste, J.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 am
Actually the Grateful Dead lyric is:
“Casey Jones you better watch your speed”
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:31 am
What about Eric Clapton’s cocaine?
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:32 am
DiscHuker, romerozombie: I regarded this list as more like a history lesson than ‘praise’ of cocaine abuse. It is a pity though that some singers/bands choose to make drugs sound attractive.
Anyway, someone could probably make an alternative list of songs that are anti-drug taking which is equally compelling
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:38 am
Pretty interesting idea for a list. I liked it : )
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:50 am
Ahhhh where would the entertainment industry be without recreational drugs?
I guess they wouldn’t be very entertaining.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:10 am
Sam, I was wondering that too. It’s the first song that came to my mind when I saw the title of the list because it’s so blatant on the subject.
Awesome list save the omission.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:20 am
Tempyra: Did you read the intro? It IS a praise for doing cocaine.
You can’t deny that music during the last decades was influenced by cocaine (as exposed by this list), but that doesn’t mean you get to applaud and even be proud of that fact.
“coke leaves you wired enough to ensure that you will produce a whole lot of something, and thus ups the odds that you will actually produce something good.”
So, if artists did cocaine more often, they’d probably make better albums?? Come on.
“It’s what young boys dream about: One day, if I practice enough and work on perfecting my skills as a singer-songwriter, I too will be able to snort cocaine off of the breasts of a vacant-eyed stripper whose name I’ll forget before I’m back on the tour bus and liquidating a savings account by mobile phone to settle debts with unsavory characters.”
Really? That’s what young boys dream about this days? About how decadent and disgusting their lives can get to be? What kind of world are we living in where debauchery is the ultimate goal in life?
And are we supposed to believe that music would be better off if instead of real down-to-Earth artists, we had an entire indusrtry of Amy Winehouses? Please.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:37 am
Sam – Patches – please read the # 1 entry before posting. That song was written and performed by JJ Cale.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:38 am
dont forget Pat Travers “Snortin whisky and Drinkin Cocaine”
Snortin’ whiskey & drinkin’ cocaine
Been snortin’ whiskey & drinkin’ cocaine
Got this feelin’
I’m gonna drive that girl insane
I’m a fast movin’ baby
I can show you around
I got so much cocaine
Ain’t never comin’ down
Snortin’ whiskey, drinkin’ cocaine
Got this feelin’ I’m gonna drive that girl insane
Insanity!
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:38 am
is it just me, or do the vocals to “life in the fast line” not really go with the high powered riff? maybe im just crazy
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:40 am
You know Frater I’d thought I’d come in and check out ListVerse this morning thinking you’d have some 4th of July/Red/white&blue theme going before the Friday Holiday – and up pops Top Cocaine songs….
….I guess you kinda did find a way to tie in fireworks.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:44 am
” It’s what young boys dream about: One day, if I practice enough and work on perfecting my skills as a singer-songwriter, I too will be able to snort cocaine off of the breasts of a vacant-eyed stripper whose name I’ll forget”
Now that was just uncalled for..
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:51 am
I’m with disc and romero. What poor idea for a list and even poorer idea posting it. I’m disappointed.
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:54 am
WTF?? WHERES WHITE LINES??
gottta have a bit of the flash…
hahaha.
i love the bob dylan one
July 3rd, 2008 at 6:59 am
Kreachure: Maybe I didn’t read the intro properly the first time. I went back and re-read it though. It still seems like a tongue-in-cheek mockery of history than ‘praise’ to me.
I guess if there’s going to be many easily-influenced people reading this list, then yes, it is in poor taste.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:06 am
Sorry, but this is *without a doubt* the stupidest list I’ve yet seen on List Universe. What an inauspicious thing to see in conjunction with the site’s birthday. Cripes.
It’s not just that it’s in poor taste. Okay, that’s subjective, though i’d agree it kinda IS in poor taste… but it also plumbs the depths of absurdity, this one. It’s like a suburban white boy’s idea of what’s cool, confined to only white performers–ignoring the plethora of cocaine-influenced and cocaine-themed stuff done by *black* blues artists going back god knows HOW long…
And then it’s like… what does this list SAY? Not much that I can see.
I don’t know, I just find this one pointless and vapid.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:10 am
Ouch.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:13 am
I was going to bitch about it being a ripoff because I saw this featured on gorillamask, but it looks like the authors are the same guys.
http://www.thesharkbook.com/blog/2008/06/da-nose-knows-top-10-cocaine-songs-of.html
I gotta go with Randall on this, I think we’re better than this.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:16 am
I like, I like.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:17 am
Randall, I couldn’t agree more. This list displays no far-reaching knowledge of music in general, let alone music with the theme at hand. It teaches us nothing, doesn’t have anything even vaguely interesting to say (all the items are simply descriptions of the song…no reason for the ranking given, no reason given why the particular song was chosen, especially given the number of songs about cocaine by non-whites and non-top 40 bands). It seems contrived and arbitrary. Almost like the writer thought to himself, “You know what would get some cheap yuks? A list about songs about cocaine.” Probably conceived while the writer was under the influence of the substance in question. Two big thumbs down, and I’m actually feeling a bit ashamed of the LV this morning because of it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:20 am
fun list. I like Damien Marley’s “Pimpa’s Paradise” myself..
“She loves to party, have a good time
She looks so hearty, feeling fine
She loves to smoke, sometimes shifting coke
Hey…she’d be laughing when there ain’t no joke”
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 am
*Damian
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:22 am
how about about john butler trio’s “i used to get high for a living”, might be about dope,but hey, sounds a long the same lines.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:24 am
Like Tempyra said, it seems a tongue-in-cheek mockery but I don’t think it was carried far enough to remove the praise that it carries.
And I think what Cash meant was that cocaine was the major cause of the murder.
hmm, I don’t think I enjoyed this list.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:26 am
Ah? I think I’ll have to disagree, it thought me that people like to write about drugs..
Duh.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:27 am
Wow, I haven’t seen this many negative comments on a list since I’ve been visiting this website! I was a bit unsure when I first started reading, then as I continued I couldn’t help but think that perhaps it was posted tongue in cheek and maybe even with a hint (more than a hint, IMO) of sarcasm. I’ve always gotten the vibe that JFrater has a decent sense of humor, and is far too level-headed to post something like this and take it seriously. Correct me if I’m wrong though.
I don’t totally think it’s in poor taste, but then I’m not that sensitive when it comes to things like this, and I don’t even do drugs. I think if someone’s that weak minded that a website is going to make them start blowing coke, it should not be the fault of the website. I thought a few of the song descriptions were funny, I got a good chuckle out of this one at least.
All in all, I’ve definitely seen better lists but I don’t hate this one.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:29 am
Tempyra: Perhaps it’s mockery, but nevertheless, judging by what some commenters have already said, I don’t think you need to be easily-influenced in order to be sickened by the introduction alone.
Except for, y’know, those who are used to snorting cocaine off a stripper’s breasts as part of their day
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 am
I expect that most ListVerse readers are going to agree with SlickWilly, Randall, et al. This list clearly trying to be humorous. (Heavy emphasis on trying) Humor is not without its place on this site. It shouldn’t, however, take the place of research or actual knowledge of the subject.
To be honest the last two lists are not a great way to start year 2.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:30 am
Great List, another good cocaine song, it doesnt deserve to be on this list but its a good song, is Tell it to Me by Old Crow Medicine Show
Well I’m ridin’ down Fifth Street, I’m comin’ down Main
I tried to bum a nickel for to buy cocaine
Cocaine’s gonna kill my honey dead
Chorus:
Now won’t you tell it to me
Tell it to me
Drink the corn liquor let the cocaine be
Cocaine’s gonna kill my honey dead
I sniff cocaine before I die
I’d be sniffin’ cocaine if it took my life
Cocaine’s gonna kill my honey dead
(Chorus)
Now I sniff cocaine, I sniff it in the wind
The doc he says it’ll kill me but he can’t say when
Cocaine’s gonna kill my honey dead
(Chorus)
All them rounders that think they’re tough
But they feed their women on the beer and the snuff
Cocaine’s gonna kill my honey dead
(Chorus)
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:33 am
Kreature
#37
I don’t know anyone who DOESN’T start the day by snorting cocaine off a stripper’s breast. Its invigorating!
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:43 am
umm. white devil by alexisonfire!
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:47 am
Great list, it’s quality to see Buckcherry getting a mention on the site.
Doesn’t seem too much of a controversial list, it’s nice to learn something about artists I wouldn’t have known about otherwise, for example I’ve only previously heard of the Rev. Horton Heat through Guitar Hero II, never knew there was a liking for the powder! Keep up the quality lists!
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 am
kowzilla – trying to be humorous? Ok, I see your point, but none of the commentary or songs made me laugh. I didn’t even chortle or snort, not even a titter. I’ve read funnier things on Hubba Bubba wrappers. Besides, it’s a reprint from a blog.
But a ’sense’ of humor is just that, a sense of what I find funny. I could go with a list about ten cocaine songs, that’s fine and somewhat interesting. But their commentary wasn’t exactly all that funny, and it seems I’m not the only one with that opinion.
I think a list about things I found in the yard would have worked better.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 am
I would add this one to the list:-
Dillinger – Cokane in my brain.
Can be seen here:-
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BiBGQ26Zpf0&feature=related
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:54 am
buc: Things you found in the yard?? I’m sold.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:12 am
This list might have it’s tongue firmly in cheek, but it fooled me. Subject aside, it wasn’t funny in the slightest. I’ve never even done weed, but I’m no prude when it comes to drugs, either(not light oes, anyway). I’m all for experimentation. But a clear enough line wasn’t drawn between the supposed humour in this list and the content, and there was no anti-cocaine statement whatsoever. Don’t anyone accuse me or others with the same view as being weak-minded and sensitive, either. You just can’t see the reality of the absurdity of this list.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:13 am
will someone please tell me how you get the youtube screen to do that in the bottom right hand corner ?,mine just makes the screen bigger or smaller
thank you
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:27 am
I don’t see what the big deal is. This is a site for lists, and if there wasn’t enough material for this list it wouldn’t exist. It is interesting, informative, and a LIST. Exactly what I expect from this site. Thanks.
Question-Is Pink Floyds ” Comfortably Numb” About cocaine? I was told it was, and if so, shouldn’t it be on here? Good song, regardless.
Keep ‘em coming!
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:28 am
I think there’s some slight misapprehension here. I understood that this list was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but no, it isn’t funny, and no, it didn’t SAY anything interesting about its subject, nor was it it ANY way even remotely scholarly. So that’s that.
Lighthearted lists are okay, no problem. But this one, between its topic and delivery, just fails. It’s a waste of time without being lighthearted to at least make it entertaining.
buc:
There was once a Letterman top ten list on some topic, I don’t remember what… but one of the items was, “Things You Want to Pound and Pound with a Shovel.” I think that goes well with your “Top Ten Things I Found in My Yard.”
I don’t know… there’s another aspect to this. Maybe Slick, buc, and I are getting old… but the whole drug thing just isn’t funny to me anymore. Cocaine especially. In the 80s cocaine was all “cool” and shit—there was a lot of it on campus, when i was at college, for instance. But of course a lot of us came to see it as a stupid drug… what with the way it fucked up lives and all… and then as you get older you start to view ALL drugs as stupid, if they end up dominating your life… even weed. I knew a guy who let his whole life be devastated just because he’d been a giant stoner all his life and couldn’t snap himself out of it and *accomplish* anything. You start to realize that “all things in moderation” isn’t just a useful axiom, it really is the only way you can get through life without making a wreck of yourself. Of course, if that’s your objective, go for it.
Sometimes I feel vaguely un-hip and elderly for this sort of view, but I’ve never been impressed by the self-destructive impulse in people. You got one life, you ought to side WITH life all the time, and not be doing your damnedest to drive life off the next embankment and over the cliff.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:42 am
I’m not getting old, I’m only 24. But cocaine directly contributed to my best friend’s suicide two weeks before Christmas last year. Forgive me if I don’t personally find the topic all that humorous.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:48 am
Slick:
Huh. All this time, I thought you were older… closer to my age. Don’t know why I got that impression.
Anyway, my sympathies… I had a friend (a more distant one, though) from college who also committed cocaine-related suicide several years ago.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:51 am
bucslim (43)
I cite the following passages as the writers’ attempt at “humor.”
“burned, photocopied, recorded, dubbed over, mixed with farm animal sounds, and played over and over again on the street corner to the annoyance of everyone within 100 yards (public noise ordinances notwithstanding)”
“Though better known for penning that motet Sweet Home Alabama, heard if a case of Amstel Light, a $150 Yamaha guitar, a group of white people, or a campfire are within a 100-yard radius,”
I agree that these are clearly failed attempts at humor but it does raise the question of what the writers’ day job is. Clearly it is some form of surveying as they appear to infatuated with radii of 100 yards.
(PS: I emphatically agree with you all, and I’m 19. So it definately isn’t an age thing.)
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:59 am
This list lacks wang.
No “Cocaine” by Eric Clapton? No “White Lines” by Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five? No “Gold Dust Woman” by Fleetwood Mac? No “Rush Rush (with the Yayo)” by Deborah Harry (from the Scarface soundtrack)?
Seriously, you should do some research first next time.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:05 am
even though it’s a cover, Scott H. Biram’s cover of cocaine blues, is by far my fav. version of the song.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=AtVGW4hLFqg&feature=related
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:06 am
I like the idea, but have a problem with the execution of this list. Firstly, I would argue that the majority of the songs listed here are anti-cocaine, and yet the descriptions are decidedly not. Secondly, the notion that cocaine is in some way responsible for the production of a vast number of what we now consider classic rock songs is foolish at best. Who knows what these artists might have produced, in their prime, if they were clean? I’m sure most of the surviving artists would love to take those years back and find out.
That being said, I don’t have a problem with the theme- it’s in no worse taste than some of the other lists on this site. If you’re offended by talking about drugs, and their effect on pop culture, the title of the list should have alerted you to stay away.
Of course, I would much rather have had a “top 5 fireworks displays” list today, but if I wanted one, I should have done it myself I guess.
That is all. Now back to that stripper….
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:10 am
Bucslim:
Okay, Top Ten Things Found in Bucslim’s Yard:
10. Something Sticky. And Yellow. With Hair.
9. Not Sure. Dog Shit? Or Sausage that Fell Off Grill Last Summer?
8. Ballpoint Pen. Says “Pudgies Pizza” On It. Nearest Pudgies Pizza Six States Away.
7. Yarn
6. Something that Looks Like Cheese.
5. Left Side of Headless Chipmunk.
4. Car Key. Lost Seven Years Ago. Spent $53.75 Plus Tax Getting New Key from Dealer Because of Computer Chip Embedded in Key. Got Rid of Car Three Months Ago.
Pause for Anger.
3. Melon Rind? No… Closer Inspection? Old Sock.
2. Thing that Looks Like Dried Toothpaste.
1. Small Mound Where Neighbor’s Dog Buries Bits of Gristle.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:13 am
I like the fact that my first thought was that I didn’t know there was this many songs about cocaine and then Listversers come up with a bunch more. I think if there was a list called “Top 10 Albinos over 7ft tall that have climbed Mount Everest” listversers could come up with a couple more. This is what makes this site so mush fun because of the diverse knowledge of listversers all over the world. By the way I will put “Top 10 Albinos over 7ft tall that have climbed Mount Everest” in “Suggest a Topic” in the forums if anybody wants to tackle it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:23 am
Sure not the best list ever submitted to listverse, but it isnt THAT bad.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:49 am
Eric Clapton’s song “cocaine” is a cover of JJ Cale’s version. Listen to both versions. They sound the same because Clapton covered JJ Cale’s version. Also, “Snowblind” by Black Sabbath is another great song about the bands cocaine use that I thought would at least break the top ten.
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:56 am
Although more cryptic Honey White by MORPHINE is a great song.
For the spanish speakers try CAÍNA by Rubén Blades.
The lyrics are just brilliant:
“Con la Caína no hay amigo ni hay verdad, se ve la cara pero no lo que hay detrás, óyeme
No se puede creer en la Caína”
(“With the Caína (Coke) there´s no friend and there´s no truth, you see the face but not what´s behind, listen
You can´t trust the Caína”)
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:04 am
Randall…..that was friggen awesome.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:08 am
SlickWilly: Curious how people keep on blaming and tagging things and objects as “good”, “evil” or “responsible”; since those are human characteristics exclusively, don´t you think?
Next time don´t get offended by a list about Cars since they bring death!
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:17 am
Jesus relax, it’s only a list. I have sympathy with those who have lost friends to cocaine, I have a few friends doing it a the moment and im quite worried about them. I don’t touch the stuff but ye must all acknowledge that music written on drugs sounds a waaaaay better when its not. Im young and listen the 60s 70s music because i think it sounds better and most of that then is music of bands on drugs, Pink Floyd ,Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Rolling Stones. I know at my situation now I wouldnt cocaine, I would only take it if I hit the big time and fuck around with my music, the music industry, live fast and die young fuck it all and live the lifestyle. God damn the music industry is shit right now. It needs more experimentation. I think LSD would probably be best for that though………. not cocaine with shitty techno hammers. Thank you Listverse for informing me, I will now go out and take drugs, become a degenerate, live off the state, shoot whales and sell pirate DVDS. Fuck sake people, Your on about the 4th of July tomorrow…. lest ye forget Free Speech
P.S ‘if you asked the Byrds what they were thinking when they came up with “Mr. Tambourine Man”’ Didn’t Dylan come up with that?
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:19 am
psychosurfer: Curious how you would bring up some tired, pseudo-philosophical nonpoint about value words, since I didn’t mention anything about cocaine being evil. Also curious how you assumed I was offended. Next time, I would think and read carefully before you post something like this and make an ass of yourself again.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:26 am
psychosurfer, others:
Yeah, backing up SlickWilly here.. it’s not that anybody’s OFFENDED…. I’m frankly not. I just didn’t think much of the list. And I (and others) gave reasons. Nothing to do with offense. I just found it a crap list.
And remember, kid… rock and roll is about sex, not about drugs and space and shit like that. (pace Jonathan Richman).
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:26 am
Why not have a list of cocaine inspired songs, after all songs and music are a way of expressing our feelings and are an outlet for just about everything from happiness to heartache. The use of cocaine has been here for longer than anyone here as been alive and up to 75 or so years ago perfectly legal, but being illegal now is not a reason to not write a song about something. Songs about our human lives weather they be happy, sad, hard, soft are what music is about and expressing our feelings, emotions and thoughts. For those who think it is in bad taste must remember that taste is a personal thing and what is poor taste to you may not be to me. If you dont like the list wait for a few hours and there will be another.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:27 am
so there!
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:28 am
dj:
Look, we always criticize lists when we feel there’s reason to criticize. That’s part of this process. Makes for better lists in the long run.
A hundred comments of “great list!” would be a colossal bore, wouldn’t it? And inaccurate anyway, if the list was missing things and/or was crap.
So back off the mealy-mouthed “wait for the next list” routine.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:29 am
Slick:
Thanks man.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:30 am
You too, Randall.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:32 am
I so totally agree with dj.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:41 am
Number 5 should be at number 2! I agree with numero uno though! Off-beat but nice list.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:42 am
seashell:
But that’s just it. I personally didn’t find this list interesting OR informative.
I don’t expect to be wowed by every list. Or to be interested in every topic. But I think lists like this should be ABOUT something and SAY something about their subjects—and be well-researched. This one was none of these. In the absence of all this, a list should at least be somewhat entertaining… and this one isn’t that, either.
The poor research is really what bothers me the most. Hundreds of songs, probably, by great blues musicians with a million times more talent and soul than some of the losers on this list… and we don’t get any of them.
I personally get very tired of the extremely limited tunnel vision that a lot of people have about music. There’s a hell of a lot more (and better) stuff out there than Pink Floyd and The Grateful Dead, folks. And I frankly find that whole worship thing in regards to these bands to be distasteful and moronic anyway. It’s ever-juvenile and utterly lacking in imagination. Like some kind of herd mentality.
Be different, and find something to be passionate about besides a bunch of ancient hippies whose relevance passed from this mortal coil decades ago.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:47 am
Nice try Randall, but actually it’s more like:
10. Unmentionable undergarment from a certain listverse contributer’s mom.
9. Metal trap door to the sex torture dungeon
8. A pile of dead clawless rodent remains
7. Several empty tubes of rogane
6. The head of a rabbit furry costume
5. Videotape of ‘activity’ with someone in a rabbit furry costume
4. Numerous empty Peach Skoal tins with fake rabbit hair stuck to the sides
3. ‘Bottoms’ of rabbit furry costume
2. Print out of 10 songs about cocaine
1. A goat
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:48 am
I’ve just seen this is very active. I’m not in my own water here, nor have I (yet) read more than a smidgeon of the first and last comments. But it interests me philosophically.
Quite objectively, there’s something about ends justifying means here, a bit like your gun debate. Is the right to bear arms and the protection (and yes, pleasure) gained from that justified by the murders, school marracres, etc. Or is the British way the answer?
If the best music in the world were only inspired by screwing litle kids, would limited paedophlia be justified?
A friend once told me that when the Romans invented The Orgy, their most exquisite orgasms came from screwing a goose to its death shudders as they wrung its neck.
The question of how far can and should Art go, has been well aired but scarcely resolved.
Apropos, Histroically we Brits are supposed to have maintained a hold over China with the drug trade, aren’t we?
A good philosophical view is that it doesn’t matter what you do to yourself so long as you don’t harm others. The problem is, charismatic performers affect others by influencing.
I’m really driven to these comments because I just watched a TV investogation exploring the affect of cocaine (pasta base) on a fucked-up family where I live. One of the boys got high and shot the only girl who wasn’t snorting and was trying to get out. None of them could escape. They were all trapped and inventing hymns to coke, because that’s all their lives were. The parents ended up in the slammer at the end, with the kids emotionally shattered.
On the other hand we know plenty of wealthy, well-adjusted friends who snort and probably have it much under control as smoking.
Is the answer to legalise?
I’ve been called away to lunch.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 am
buc:
Even better!
But unfair of you to expect me to know that your “condition” had returned, after all that therapy and medication.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:52 am
lol some of these are funny, like the first one
good list of good music
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:53 am
Spanner, I thought Brits invented English, but I’m not sure you’re typing it in your post.
marracres?
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 am
Randall, I didn’t say it was my rabbit furry costume that just happened to be in my backyard, you can’t prove that no matter what my therapist says.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:55 am
Randall,
I understand your point of view, and belive it or not actually agree with you on the whole worship thing. I, personally found it interesting and informative, because I learned something I did not know before logging on today. I knew that there were songs about cocaine, but I had no clue how many or who wrote them. I always thought Clapton wrote #1, but now, I’ve learned it wasn’t. I find learning new things to be interesting, and the process of learning involves taking in new information, hence my finding the list interesting and informative. Do I think promoting drug use, or idolizing performers who do is a good thing? Of course not. But I did learn something new, and that’s why I come here everyday. I can’t honestly say I am a big fan of any of these performers, or even this list for that matter, but I got from it exactly what I expected. I learned something I didn’t, or wouldn’t have known if it weren’t for listverse. I also agree that everybody saying its a great list eveyday is an extreme bore, which is also why I log on everyday, because I look forward to the debate and the give and take of the posters. You all make my day a little more pleasant, and I thank you for that. This place wouldn’t be what it is without the posters. I meant no offense, just my 2 cents.
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:58 am
I was happy to see J.J. Cale listed instead of Clapton
Humour is subjective
I’ve seen lists here about serial killers get fewer negative comments
I didn’t get the impression that this list was about the glorification of a lifestyle, but does indeed touch upon some musicians penchant to live a drug-fueled lifestyle. Or at least write songs about it. And some of those songs do glorify it. I think that if that kind of thing offended or dissappointed me, it would be the songs and artists that did so, not a list of them.
I think my biggest gripe is with the name of the list. It should be “Top 10 modern era cocaine songs……” or something along those lines. It was mentioned earlier in the thread that Blues artists have been lamenting substance abuse since the Blues began. Had those musicians and their tunes been included I feel that the list would have benefited from a much needed educational aspect. Of course, I don’t know a lot about the blues, so that may just be me.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:07 am
Spanner:
No offense man, but it sounds like you already ARE out to lunch.
Now, wading through the thick algae of stuff you brought up that bears at best a very loose relevance to the topic at hand (Romans screwing geese? please), we can pick a little clarity out of the water. (not easy to do).
What concerns me is not so much what music is about, as much as whether or not it’s “good.” Admittedly, “good” is subjective. But aside from the obvious aesthetics, one way I define “good” is the context which is attached to a particular form of music.
To clarify… I personally have never seen the attraction of laying around with headphones on, listening to stoner music. I’d much rather be shaking my ass to Otis Redding or some great punk tune, with a hot chick. But that’s just me.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:09 am
Slick: VERY Curious how you reacted to my comment
I guess I was just trying to point out that there were external reasons for your views on this stupid list.
Although I don´t find it specially informative, transcendental or even “pseudo-philosophical”, I don´t think it was meant to be in the first place.
Sorry about your friend.
Peace man.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:10 am
Ok I am not sure if anyone has already mentioned is as I did not read ALL 77 comments but did anyone think of Grand Master Flash and Mellie Mells “White lines”? I mean even as an honorable mention!
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:12 am
Cocaine lets you be Superman or Wonderwoman for a little while. Yes, the price is high, but you get to be Superman!!! There’s a lot of moralists reading these lists. It sure is good to hear from y’all.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:15 am
Sorry folks,
I don’t usually scrabble away without reading the results, I should have trashed that and begun again. I can spell as a rule, ‘onest, guv.
Perhaps what I’m trying to get at Randall, is inspiration. You don’t get good stuff without inspiration. So what is the inspiration for Coke songs, and can it just be considered out of context? Or am I still struggling in the blanketweed?
Anyway, I ain’t got time right now to give this any attention, let alone proper attention. I doubt I’m relevant here, so I’ll take a powder. (Appropriate?)
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:22 am
I’m out of time for the nonce…
but inspiration? Eh. It doesn’t need to come out of a bottle or from a powder or a weed. That, frankly… is a shade weak, I think.
Though I understand it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:25 am
Randall: with only one (known to me) exception…Jim Morrison. I think he would disagree with inspiration not coming from time spent in “another dimension.”
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:32 am
also…what about “White Horse” by Laid Back. That is the first song about cocaine I remember ever hearing and I didn’t realize it until years later.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:37 am
I have to say I think that all the comments regarding bad taste of the list are unnecessary and add an overall negative feel to the comments of this article. I come to listverse in order to educate and entertain myself. I do not browse the lists here for advice on how to live my life or whether or not I should pursue a life of snorting cocaine. This list was very entertaining and I learned a lot about a genre of music that I don’t usually listen to. The content involving illegal drug use is independent of the overall goal of the list.
That being said, as a rap fan I like the songs Ayo For Yayo by Andre Nickatina and Pure Cocaine by Yo Gotti and Gucci Mane.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:42 am
well this list is very original, awesome list!
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:48 am
all of the negative comments are unnecessary, this list is not in bad taste, it is just a list like every other list, so it’s published 2 days after the site’s b-day, what would you have wanted, 5 months? it doesn’t matter.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:54 am
Black Sabbath’s Snowblind not in the Top 10
What a shame
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:55 am
I will admit that the list’s execution left something to be desired. I would have liked more info on each topic, for example. But all in all, it was a decent list. I have certainly been more dissappointed by others…
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:56 am
O.K., I’m on my post prandial drink now,
So let’s see if I can swim calmly away from this site for good in fairly clear water.
Anita and I fell away in tears from that TV programme the other night about a family totally fucked up by pasta base. It was one of a series that had also dealt with the favelas of Brazil and a whole abandoned ghetto in our own country.
The line that there’s always been drugs won’t wear, well not where we live. When I first visited, there were poor ghettos galore, but almost no drugs. Now the whole country is riddled through, and its getting more violent all the time. Kiddies regularly shot dead in gang crossfire. We’re only a processor, not a primary producer as well.
I’m not deeply into rock, it’s a fairly marginal music for me, but that doesn’t mean I couldn’t if I had more time. But the fact that I really enjoy most of the listed performers as sideshows rather than mainstream means I’ve no right to a subjective opinion here. But this list obviously means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.
I think what I’m asking is, how do you reconcile these two extremes? How do you keep the music that is so inspirational for many of you guys, and avoid the misery that’s all around us here?
Is there an answer?
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:59 am
#48 Seashell No, it’s not.
Controversy makes for good reading. I didn’t realize there was so much stuff in bucslim’s backyard!
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:00 pm
no snowblind?? bummer.
i suggest a cannabis list next, but it would have to be like a top 50 songs, haha
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:15 pm
wow, i guess i started a storm with my original comment. not intended. in reality, i wasn’t saying that i thought this list was in poor taste (though i think it is) i was lamenting the fact that there is atleast this much (10 songs) glorification of something so terrible (cocaine)
while there is some serious debate to the usefulness of drugs, i’m not sure anyone is going to stand up on behalf of cocaine improving the world.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:19 pm
hey randell I am not criticizing the list at all, It is all those who say the list of cocaine songs were in poor taste or should not have been done as it glorifies drug use, that taste is a personal perspective and if I dont like it I wont read it and go on. I personally enjoyed the list and read it and listened to the songs. As for promoting drug use that is crap, if you are wanting to use a drug you will if you dont have a desire to use a drug then you wont and a “song” will no more intice you to do use as it will to make me want to kill myself in a backmasking suicide pact make with the devil.
ps I am a cop too and I say rock on coke or no coke still good songs about a point in someones life.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:21 pm
As regards the list itself: yawn. As regards the lad-mag jauntiness of the intro & descriptions of the songs, nerdily striving so hard to be cool & ironic: do me a favour.
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Are you people serious? If you don’t want drug inspired songs, go listen to New Kids on the Block and Miley Cyrus.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
CK2003: I don’t know, I think you have to be pretty high to write songs like that. God knows you need to stay on drugs to live with yourself.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:19 pm
“Cocaine” by Eric Clapton?
J-roc – the Clapton version sucks ass…bigtime.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:22 pm
10. Unmentionable undergarment from a certain listverse contributer’s mom.
buc – very fecking funny. You know damn well that that was part of a harness from a beach-donkey’s cart!
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:26 pm
So…does anybody here know if Stevie Nicks is, erm, hiring ?
She’s a goddess, and I’d even bring my own straws…
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
The topic of the list is not the problem. A top ten list of songs that discuss cocaine is fine with me.
What I have a problem with is the way the list is written. It is tragically unfunny (despite the authors’ best efforts).
The problem isn’t that the subject is “bad” but that the list itself is badly written.
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Blogball (#57)
Here are some ideas for your Top 10 Albinos over 7ft tall that have climbed Mount Everest.
Travis Tillman
Benjamin Heller
David Johnson
July 3rd, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Randall/Slick; Sorry fellas I disagree. The intro could possibly be said to glorify coke use (I too realize that it was intended to be tongue and cheek, but it is a tad over the top). At worst the songs chosen illustrate the lifestyle and at best they condemn it. None glorify it, unless you consider anonymous sex with someone or other (it doesn’t matter which) a plus.
I like most of these songs, they are of course, in the immortal words of Joe Pesci “Tunes from my yout.” They trigger all the associated memories and have a pull. I was not in a bar with disaffected ex-democrats during the late 70’s and 80’s. I was living and working in the part of Canada worst hit by the recession. We didn’t listen to wishy-washy new wave crap. We listened to this stuff. Hard life, hard music.
I would consider changing up the descriptions some, but I like the list. And the music.
So in that vein. One of my favorites, a red-neck tune of debauchery. Hank Williams III
*there is swearing, so those of sensitive ears may wish to skip
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:05 pm
What about ‘Girl’ from The Beatles?
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:25 pm
there is no rap in this list
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Kowzilla that’s great “Thanks” I already had David Johnson along with 6 others so with Travis Tillman & Benjamin Heller I just need one more !
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:48 pm
It’s all fun and games until a coke head tries to rob you and you have to give them a beat down. I don’t believe this list is glorifying cocaine except maybe a little in the intro. Cocaine is not my thing drugs are for losers. Hugs instead of drugs:)
Good collection of songs though.
July 3rd, 2008 at 2:58 pm
This is a cool list, nice to hear some old names like lynard and the eagles. I dont mean to be a metal head, but its worth mentioning metallica for the lyric ‘chop your breakfast on a mirror’ from Master of puppets.
I’m also anti-drugs, infact, one of my bands made a pact to be drug-free, this is the one that makes the most artistic music.
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:01 pm
MPW: haha, thats a nice motto
July 3rd, 2008 at 3:53 pm
Well – the comments have certainly surprised me upon waking up! I am not sure whether I should just pull this list like I did to another recent one or whether I should leave it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:09 pm
You kids slay me! One of my favourite cocaine tunes dates way back to the early thirties called “take a whiff on me”; to whit:
‘I got a nickel, you got a dime
‘you buy the coke, I’ll buy the wine
‘Hey hey, baby take a whiff on me.’
Also known as Cocaine Habit Blues, it was an American folk song.
I play a slide guitar version just for grins!
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:12 pm
It really annoys me when people get on their high horse and try to control things. If you don’t like the list, then don’t read it. The title totally gives the content away. This site is trying to appeal to all walks of life, and there are going to be lists that people wont like, or take offence to at some point or another.
I’m anti drugs, but I don’t take offence to the list. I personally think the list is great.
Oh and randall, you keep saying that you don’t find the list interesting or entertaining. Surely someone who isn’t interested doesn’t keep coming back to said list and commenting again and again??
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Jfrater, the only problem I have with this list is that it’s on another site as bucslim pointed out in # 28
http://www.thesharkbook.com/bl…..gs-of.html
Even if it’s the same guys that submitted it. It’s nice to have listverse with all original lists never posted anywhere else.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:23 pm
Another hit-and-run contributor, unless I missed his comment somewhere. I actually disliked the writing more than the content. It reads like a poor attempt at a cracked.com list. Way too many run on sentences that stop, like the goat in bucslim’s backyard when he realizes he’s being pushed to a cliff, and interjections, like the one’s I’m including in this sentence. Just too verbose, although some did make me laugh. I don’t have a strong issue with the content. It’s a list about stuff that was made that has a common theme; yes, Top Ten Snuff Films would get me pissed off, but the list seems to be neither glorifying nor dissuading drug use.
Again, regular commentors, please e-mail me at nerikasne@hotmail.com to help with a little birthday gift for the site. I swear it’s nice, easy, and free; I promise not to hook you into any pyramid schemes or carve out your kidneys in a bathtub full of ice.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:31 pm
jfrater: I think this is a somewhat naff list & I find the author’s or authors’ witless wit annoying, but I would hate to see it withdrawn simply because it’s attracted negative comments. That would constitute a form of censorship that in my admittedly limited experience here goes against this site’s spirit. Most of the comments above are in fact complimentary anyway. And provoking some controversy is healthy, surely.
My assumption was that you pulled the ‘Indian Facts’ list because it was plagiarized. This list has appeared elsewhere, God help us, but its authorship is not in question.
So, please let it be.
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:35 pm
well well well… Good list. I love the song cocaine by J.J.Cale. I have never heard the other version. I recall my big brothers liked this song growing up – otherwise I would probably not even know it existed. Good list
July 3rd, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Its like Bill Hicks said, think of all the greatest music that you’ve heard in the last 40 years, all of it made by guys on drugs. Amazingly its true. Bob Dylan, the Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, even the Beach Boys. Brian Wilson was so wasted after making Pet Sounds, he didn’t get out of bed for 15 years! Amy Winehouse may be a train wreck in real life, but that doesn’t change the fact that the quality of her music was vastly superior to the mind-numbing R+B that saturates the market today. Drugs are bad when it comes to living a normal life, but as far as artistic expression goes the facts speak for themselves. Baudelaire once wrote that drugs will open a door, but that it is up to the individual to actually walk through it.
July 3rd, 2008 at 5:18 pm
chris: OK. But it depends on the drugs. And the musicians. Drugs are indirectly responsible for some of the most pretentious & deeply boring music in the history of mankind. I’m thinking of the prog rock cul-de-sac of the 70s. Thank Christ for the advent of punk. Plus, even if some drugs can enhance creativity it doesn’t follow that songs about drugs are interesting. By & large they’re not.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:47 pm
ciunas: very true, but think of the greatest of the greats, all wasters at some point of their lives. And prog rock is terrible, but those guys, like ELO and Emerson Lake and Palmer were straight. Do you see the connection, whereas the Punk pioneers were off their chops. But I agree, songs about drugs are generally boring.
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:52 pm
Thank you all for the comments, positive and negative…
And those in the negative camp, there is nothing stopping you from doing your own lists…or landing your own book deals, for that matter.
Sorry to all those who took offense…and to those who enjoyed it, who knows? Perhaps a heroin list is on the horizon…
July 3rd, 2008 at 7:58 pm
By far, my favourite arrangement of the iconic “Cocaine” by JJ Cale is by Nazareth, on their album “Snaz”. If you haven’t heard it, look it up. It’s very acoustic and percussive, and not what you might expect.
Seriously, this version is one of my all-time favourite songs, and has been for over 20 years.
I was going to link the Youtube video, but it’s absolute shite.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:19 pm
Loser List. This is like the Papparazi or TMZ, when you don’t have talent yourself, you talk shit about others.
July 3rd, 2008 at 8:43 pm
#125 thesharkguys I’ve mentioned it before (forgive me) but I love the song “Heroin” by the Velvet Underground. I would hope that would make the “heroin list”
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:14 pm
I only read the intro and glanced at some of the songs’ names. But from reading over some of the comments (the ones I agree with), count me among those who think it was a stupid idea for a list and, as someone posed (maybe more than one), I am disappointed that it was posted. Then, the issue of whether or not it’s plagiarized comes up???
July 3rd, 2008 at 9:37 pm
S_R: had you have done more than just skim the comments, you would have seen the one which is only 4 above your own by the AUTHOR of the list who sent it to me. The issue of plagiarism clearly does NOT come up. How do you know whether you agree with a comment? Do you read the first couple of words to see if you agree and ignore the rest? Do you not find that that hinders your ability to broaden your horizons and learn new things?
July 3rd, 2008 at 10:44 pm
Well, thank the Net for its diversity of opinions. I personally thought this list was hilarious. And I thought that some of the more negative opinions on here made the posters of the comments seem like a bunch of joyless drones. Viva la difference.
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:27 pm
A year or so ago, a close friend from high school messaged me on MSN and asked me if I’d ever heard of Buckcherry.
“Uh, no. Why?”
“Oh. I just fucked the lead singer.”
So now whenever I see them, all I can think is “Stacey Lynn did you.”
July 3rd, 2008 at 11:49 pm
maybe you should correct the title to top ten ROCK songs about cocaine. there is a lot of really good cocaine rap.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:59 am
This is missing Black Sabbath’s Snowblind.
July 4th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Good point to the person who suggested that this be renamed the Top 10 Rock Songs about Cocaine (though a couple wouldn’t fit). Indeed, some rap stuff was missed…
That said, how can you complain about the writing in this one? This is VERY WELL WRITTEN compared to the majority of lists out there…
All in all, a great job, though sadly racking in cocaine rap…
July 4th, 2008 at 2:15 am
ayo for yayo?
July 4th, 2008 at 2:31 am
My first thought when I saw the title of this list was GRANDMASTER FLASH! I can’t believe its not on here, but superb list nonetheless
July 4th, 2008 at 7:39 am
nice list! very happy to see the absolute Cash classic Cocaine Blues, and of course the great album Sticky Fingers
July 4th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I don’t know…I thought it was great…and they did get Jay-z, The Game on there…read to the end…
July 4th, 2008 at 8:48 am
I have a *LOT* to say, but I’m not going to say most of it.
The songs which really spoke to the subject of cocaine, its ability to gain a few minutes of pleasure in an otherwise awful existence, were the old Blues songs. As the contributor left out that entire genre, the genesis of all the bastardized rock songs in the list (and many, many more), I feel it would be the height of dishonor to comment on the list itself.
Randall: SpannerInTheWorks is a trained, working Botanist. When he speaks of weed or weeds, he is speaking of garden pest plants, not marijuana. He doesn’t deserve to be belittled or otherwise:
#87. Randall – July 3rd, 2008
but inspiration? Eh. It doesn’t need to come out of a bottle or from a powder or a weed. That, frankly… is a shade weak…
You may have been away when his job was under discussion, and he is a Brit, with the Saharanly dry Brit sense of humor. If you’re not used to it, it takes some doing.
You’re a bright guy. You know I like you. I know you’ll learn Spanner is a top-notch fellow.
July 4th, 2008 at 9:13 am
S_R wants nothing but Jesus lists. Go praise Fake-o somewhere where it isn’t so annoying to everyone else.
July 4th, 2008 at 9:15 am
JFrater: On a list like this where I’m not going to go into detail about explaining my stand, yes. Since I dislike the subject matter to begin with, I read a couple of sentences to see which direction the author is taking. Even if he opposes my beliefs but words his post in an intelligent manner, I might read it. If he’s juvenile about it, though, I’ll skip it.
At 48 years old (in 12 days), I’ve gone through many periods in my life, including letting drugs destroy it at one point. Thank God, I’m out of that. So, I’ve been on both sides of the fence, so to speak. I know PLENTY about drugs and what they can do. So, Jamie, and I mean this in a nice way, I know all anyone needs to know about drugs. My “horizons” have extended WAY betond what I wish they ever had.
Drugs destroy lives and kill people, even innocent ones. So does alcohol, but it’s LEGAL. That to me, is STUPID! Just so you know I’m not so uptight–I don’t understand why alcohol is legal but marijuana isn’t. In fact, I’d rather see marijuana legalized rather than alcohol. It’s the lesser of the two evils. You don’t hear about people committing the atrocities they do when drinking when they’re smoking. I’d rather no one did either, but that’s not going to happen.
July 4th, 2008 at 9:19 am
I forgot to add, they’re “praising” the creative abilities of the artists while on coke, but they forget, they had a lot of problems in their lives because of it. And many DIED. Yet I read a couple of posts where people have condoned its use for artisitic abilities and even encouraged it. How selfish can one be? “If coke makes you write better music that I like, go ahead and kill yourself. Just get me some cool tunes, man.”
July 4th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Well written and provocative list Sharkguys. Back in the 80,s I was a limosine driver for a while. Nearly every tip I received was a rolled up hundred dollar bill. I never cared for the drug myself or being with people who were using, although I must say, once when I was dead tired, driving from Montreal to Vermont (in a snow storm of course), I did a line and it not only woke me up, it made improved my night vision to an astonishing degree.
July 4th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
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144. YogiBarrister – July 4th, 2008
…, I did a line and it not only woke me up, it made improved my night vision to an astonishing degree.
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Sounds like an argument for a line just before stepping up to the eye-test portion of the DMV test.
July 4th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Wow. It’s not a GREAT list, but it was an interesting read.
Too much whining over it though. :/
July 4th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
well, the last few sentences mention some other songs, but to me coke rap is also: clipse, rick ross and young jeezy aka the SNOWMAN. nevertheless, this is a great list.
July 4th, 2008 at 9:23 pm
I registered just to put in my two cents… Metallica’s Master of Puppets. Its got to be about coke…
July 4th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
You don’t need to register to comment. But it helps if you take a bump before going online. Funny list… It was well written that’s for sure.. Feels like some old blues guys are missing, but I can’t think of any songs right now…
Hmmm….
Anybody? Dang! Tip of my tongue!
Anyway, these were some interesting choices, and an interesting discussion here too. The comment from the former limo driver about rolled up tips gave me a good laugh.
Thanks!
July 5th, 2008 at 1:40 am
no “master of puppets” by metallica?!!
July 5th, 2008 at 7:55 am
Tell It To Me by Old Crow Medicine Show is a good cocaine song.
July 5th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
“Save my life,Im going down for the last time
women with the sweet lovin is better then a white line
dont you know she could bring a good feeling aint had in such a long time
or how about the old beatles song
Here come old flat top he comes groovin up slowly hes got choo choo eyeballs he shoots coca-cola
I dont see why this list is any worse or less creditable then compared to some of the other lists on here.And whether you do this drug or not you negative,closed minded people still come and look at the list ,but hey how dare they list such a thing,Well then get the fuck out of this list dumb asses.I am not for cocaine but I dont come to a list if I dont like what the subject pertains to or am curious what other people are saying about it,Dont complain if you wanna come inside because you are just gonna bitch .GTFO!!!!
July 5th, 2008 at 1:42 pm
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152. Janet
…quite a bit of extraneous drivel pertaining to Janet’s self-delusional self-importance edited, due to complete lack of substance…
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Janet, I’m a regular reader/poster on listverse, so are a lot of the people posting here. The idea isn’t to have a lot of lists with which everyone agrees…in fact, we quite often have some rather educated debates, pro & con, over various list subjects.
It would be a boring list indeed, if the only lists posted were so saccharine or so bland that everybody could agree with one another.
One of the hallmarks of an adult, Janet, is to be able to disagree with ones peers, even disagree strongly, and still have respect for that person.
Yes, there are a couple of people here who seem to be stuck records, but we know who they are and choose to either engage them, or ignore them.
Your solution “GTFO!!!!” is the classic playground ploy of “If you don’t wanna play *my* way, I’ll just take my ball and go home!”.
It might be a good idea for you to either just spend a few weeks lurking; watching how we operate around here.
Other than that, take your own advice, and just go away.
School will start up again soon, and you won’t be so bored that you have time to try and bother the grown-ups.
July 5th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Seuge, you are about a real jerk.I have been here and do act like an adult but am sick of the winers who dont just make a statement but like you they act 2 years old.Dont think that I dont think it is about debates but to say the childish things that some have said ,yourself included,really are about people who are just STUPID.Oh and by the way next time you speak take the dick out of your mouth first you punk.
July 5th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
*edited for the tight assed amongst us*

have a beer. do a line. smoke ‘em if ya gotta. shoot it up. like whatevah……
given the hostile nature of some recent comments….this is why i never liked cocaine, it makes people mean and nasty. so everybody chill and fire up a doobie. like get mellow people. its just teh internets.
*edit*
this is a personal sarcastic remark not representative of my usual sarcastic remarks made as a sarcastic representative of this site.
loosen up dem sphincters dude.
geezus!
July 5th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Oh and another thing you stupid moron,dont speak for everybody else like your some superior person here and you know what this site is all about.Only childish minds like yours who probably do cocain would just assume they are so much better,.Grow up or GTFO!!!!!!!lol.I bet you are gay and use your little nuts for mud flaps while your getting your pencil dick up some poor fools hershey highway you are using your nuts for mud flaps right now you gay mo fo!!!!!!!Now get the fuck out.lol lol lol.Polish=Seuge English=Sewer.What a dumb stupid name,what a jerkoff!!!!!
July 5th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Janet -
read
http://listverse.com/comment-faq/
and adjust your meds.
July 5th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
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154. Janet
**winers = whiners
**dont = don’t
**Dont think that I dont think it is about debates but to say the childish things that some have said ,yourself included,really are about people who are just STUPID
…If there was some way to unravel that attempt at a sentence, I might try to answer, or rebut, but since grammar and syntax are so glaringly missing, I’ll just have to let most of it go. Two things I did manage to garner from that hash of words:
1 – Some people, including myself, have said some childish, stupid things. Well now, isn’t that a crime?
Imagine! Sometimes we get carried away and post something dumb! Sheesh! Somebody just shoot me now! I can’t be 100% intelligent 100% of the time.
2 – Obviously Spelling and Grammar are no longer taught in the schools.
**Oh and by the way next time you speak take the dick out of your mouth first you punk.
…(actually we type here)Have you ever tried to speak with a dick in your mouth? It’s really almost impossible, and usually painful to the owner of the dick.
Oh! btw, re: the punk statement, darling child. Shall we guess which one is the punk, or put it up for a vote?
July 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
segue -
QOTD goes to you!
‘Have you ever tried to speak with a dick in your mouth? It’s really almost impossible, and usually painful to the owner of the dick.’
ROFLMAO!
July 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
Whoa anger. I thought this list was cool and well-written! I love music lists and I always thought number one was by clapton for some reason!?!? Now I learned something.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
Cyn, how could I possibly resist a line like that?
I’ll be sooo glad when school is back in session.
July 5th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
R-O-T-F-L-M-B-O ! ! !:
Segue:
“Janet, I’m a regular reader/poster on listverse, so are a lot of the people posting here. The idea isn’t to have a lot of lists with which everyone agrees…in fact, we quite often have some rather educated debates, pro & con, over various list subjects.
It would be a boring list indeed, if the only lists posted were so saccharine or so bland that everybody could agree with one another.
One of the hallmarks of an adult, Janet, is to be able to disagree with ones peers, even disagree strongly, and still have respect for that person.
Yes, there are a couple of people here who seem to be stuck records, but we know who they are and choose to either engage them, or ignore them.
Your solution “GTFO!!!!” is the classic playground ploy of “If you don’t wanna play *my* way, I’ll just take my ball and go home!”.
It might be a good idea for you to either just spend a few weeks lurking; watching how we operate around here.
Other than that, take your own advice, and just go away.
School will start up again soon, and you won’t be so bored that you have time to try and bother the grown-ups.”
July 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Cyn:
“given the hostile nature of some recent comments….this is why i never liked cocaine, it makes people mean and nasty. so everybody chill and fire up a doobie. like get mellow people. its just teh internets.”
So, as a representative of the site, this site is now PROMOTING drug abuse??!!
July 5th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
S_R: you seem to be obsessed with collective thinking. Cyn can say what she likes. I can say what I like. You can say what you like. This site does not promote or the inverse any particular way of thinking or behaving. Individuals on the site (whether admins or not) have their own ways of thinking and their own morals – leave them to it and stop accusing people (in particular my site!) of things.
Let us not forget that I defended your point of view on the homosexual marriage list – no one called me names for doing that – you seem to be the only one doing so. Relax – we will all get along much better that way.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
Jamie, you misunderstood what I was trying to get across. I was “reminding” her that she DOES represent this site and she should be careful about posting things like that. Especially since she’s always worried about the “advertisers”.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:32 pm
S_R
dude! you crack me up!
July 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pm
OH. I expected her to delete that post as hse’s done before.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
S_R -
i strongly suggest you watch yourself and shut up while you still can. a personal warning not as a representative of this site.
oh but for a cyber version of ‘taking you out behind the barn for a good whuppin’. personally, i’ve had enough of you pontificating all over this site. so do not come after me directly. got it? comments is not the place. forums is fine. btw..think my forum avatar will speak for itself. this is a personal comment.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
S_R: I represent this site – whatever anyone else says is their own business. And no one has to be careful about what they post – so quit going down this road and enjoy yourself
July 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
this is J’s place. i only do what he allows me to do on the admin side of things. which is how it should be. that he tolerates me at all…i am forever grateful. he knows only too well how i can be.
frankly..i love this site. i do tend to take things too personally. i hate when people trash it. or use it as their own personal pulpit. so i can get kinda intense about stuff. heh..
way i am.
July 5th, 2008 at 6:55 pm
OH, did miss. cyn get upset? No cookies for me today, right?
July 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
I’m just going to hop on with a couple broad comments actually intended to add a little perspective to the situation so people might re-appraise their pre-set judgements and take stock of their own mistaken assumptions.
1: About the argument of the ‘bad taste’ of the subject matter: Taste is a purely subjective and personal opinion. You have the right to it, just as you have the right to enjoy the taste of oranges and to dislike apples.
Plato said: Only a fool argues taste.
Think on that. Can you see how stupid it would look to watch someone try to force someone else to like apples when they didnt? So, believe it or not, your assumption that ‘cocaine is universally evil and bad and bad taste and we can’t talk about it’ isn’t universal and you have no more right to censor others or force your taste on them than they do you.
You do, of course, have the right to logically and rationally refute their stances, with valid and reasoned points that build the foundation for your justifying your beliefs so that they prove themselves as the optimal route.
You can’t, and won’t ever be able to, force a person to agree with you. Not only is it the hallmark of fascism, but if you are a grown up you should know this by now. The comfort of being a 12 foot tall Norse warrior from behind a monitor in your mom’s basement allows average sane people to turn into 5 ft tall soccer moms in SUVs with road rage screaming and threatening criminal biker gangs. Think on that.
2: As soon as you start personally insulting someone else and are no longer deconstructing their points and stances, THEY WIN. YOU LOST. You have just announced to everyone else taking part that you cannot handle your beliefs in an intellectual arena and lack the ability to invalidate the stances of those who disagree with you, and thus must behave like a child in order to distract people from noticing that you weren’t intelligent enough to prove your case. While it may whet the appetite for rage, it is a false rage, and it is a public declaration of failure.
3: ‘Moral Failures’ are again subjective. Claiming shock and horror at the idea that someone is taking part in a culture that you have been taught to abstain from, with the intent to sway opinion and forcibly coerce others to adhere to your stances, is an intellectually corrupt and cowardly act. You will find this most often with people who cannot use reason to validate their stances, and thus must resort to plea bargaining with attempted manipulations of visceral reactions.
I can see specific comments in this list but I will remain neutral for this post and bring up this as an example instead:
In North America there is a large stigma and associated image of uneducated, poverty stricken and ignorant personage when it comes to a single mother or even moreso, a single mother with children from several different fathers. It is fairly often judged as immoral and dirty and a sign of general failure.
In Iceland, however, it is commonplace not only for women to have children before marriage, even to do so while still attending university, but to also have children with multiple men (in consecutive relations, not concurrent) where the interaction between all parties, past and present, remains amiable. This is not only a norm, but is fully embraced and accepted as good by it’s culture.
Sound strange to you? Then we should also note that Iceland is ranked the best country on the planet to live in and ranked the happiest people on earth.
Point being, feigning moral outrage or revulsion is another admission of failure- it is a last resort when the user lacks valid and logic driven stances at best and a greasy, manipulative, used car salesman tactic at worst.
Shame is a tactic of control; what shame hates is those people who do not fear it and thus expose it for the cowardice it truly is.
4: Finally, on cocaine: you may be surprised to hear this, but the world actually keeps going while you are asleep. And out in that great big darkness, there exists good reason to believe your most heartfelt stances are completely and totally wrong. Let me say this:
Cocaine has NO HARMFUL EFFECTS WHATSOEVER.
Now, as half of you are flippin apeshit and the other half are slying grinning because they know what I’m on to, let me explain:
There are no harmful qualities to cocaine. The actual drug does not harm and does noharm anyone. Before it is pushed through the modern refining process, it possesses no biologically damaging qualities or harmful/poisonous effects on the human body. The final product of refined cocaine adapts its dangerous and destructive properties due to additives that are so harmful they literally create toxic waste in the process.
I live in south america. I’ve studied the plant and the culture around it; from a botanical point of view the coca is actually beneficial and used as medicine because of the cocaine. From a societal point of view, the cultures have been using pure unadulterated cocaine for centuries with none of the destruction you have assumed (and assumed for everyone else as well) every incarnation of the plant makes.
Still not convinced, huh? Then look this up yourself: The U.S. government sanctions pure cocaine for medical use and imports it quite out in the open, no controversy or stir, every year. Go ask your dentist about the practises of using cocaine in dentristy. Look up the medical distribution of cocaine. I mention the U.S. because it is safe to assume the majority of posters in any generic location on the net that is english will be american (I can show you the logic why but it would be a derail).
Now, my point for all of that was to show that your assumptions- what you think you know you know and everyone else knows too and anyone who disagrees with you is wrong or stupid or evil- is just your own ignorance and hubris.
Say it again with me, folks: hubris.
Hubris.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:07 pm
Janet You’re ridiculous. It’s segue, not seuge. And I’m pretty sure segue’s a woman And I know for sure that segue is brilliant. Always posts interesting, reliable facts and well thought out opinions. Segue is highly respected around these parts, girl. Why don’t you look up “segue” and see what it really means.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
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There is *some* truth to what you say.
Due to an extremely rare, and severely painful disease, I am on, and have been for almost 11 years now, a rotation of 3 opiates in doses which would kill the average human. I take this dosage 3x a day.
Used properly, under the guidance of a doctor trained in the use of pain medications, these drugs *ARE* safe.The list of qualifiers is long and stringent. A doctor must go through extra years of specialized training to become a pain management specialist.
Without this special training, without this special knowledge, I might have been dead years ago. I would never trust my care to any doctor without this training, much less take the word of some article posted on the web.
July 5th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
174 Segue: I can only sympathize (actually I don’t sympathize at all; sympathy is a form of pity and pity is a form of contempt- there is no reason to give you that) with you so much because I am almost in the exact same boat. I had multiple doctors tell me I was probably never going to work again before I even turned 30, and by the time I was given a constant supply of morphine I had both my neurologist and my GP admit to me that as of present there is nothing they can do but make me comfortable. Because of a lack of a genetic marker, nearly all forms of painkillers have a massively reduced effect and I recieve minimal benefits from them. So, you’re not alone.
However; I’m not sure how these situations relate to my post. I was using examples to prove how assumptions and leaping to conclusions on behalf of others are blatantly wrong. Also, you note that ’some’ of what I said was true. You made no note of what was true and what wasn’t, and I can only surmise that somehow you became of the opinion that I am advocating the principle that all drugs are harmless or some such.
Nothing I posted urged anyone to go and do any drug; I urged them to look into factuals and ask their doctors to get the truth, actually, which is what you did.
Or maybe I didn’t catch what you meant by your post (always a logical possibility in written discussion) and that you were citing your situation as another example as to how an individual circumstance might go against what is otherwise held as ‘mythology’ or somesuch; in your case the administration of drugs far beyond their limit but done by a professional.
I find it confusing because you start with a statement that dissavows the validity of a majority of my writing, but clarify nothing in the statement, not even which you agree or disagree with, and finish with what looks like a possible reference to discrediting the value of my post in lieu of conferring with a doctor, which I wouldn’t understand because nothing I posted attempted to subvert a physician’s knowledge.
Anyways, if you could clarify, I would be appreciative. Thanks.
July 5th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Mr Graves: I haven’t made any pro- or anti-drug statements yet so allow me to be hubristic. You seem to be saying that cocaine in its pure state isn’t physically harmful. Well, so what? It’s the short- & more importantly the long-term psychological effects of taking the drug that are potentially damaging — as I’m sure even its most enthusiastic proponent would admit.
I chewed coca leaves in Peru & Bolivia, incidentally, when travelling there. The dependence on this habit by indigenous cultures is in no way comparable with the effect of refined cocaine on modern societies.
July 5th, 2008 at 9:18 pm
ciunus, you are, in effect, bolstering my statement. however i don’t think you realize that that was merely an example, and not the point, the point being our perceptions of knowledge are not as all encompassing as we like to tell ourselves.
so, as an example, i gave way to showing how ‘cocaine’ was not ‘evil’.
you’ll hear no argument from me saying that coke/crack (or refined cocaine) doesn’t destroy people’s minds and lives; my point was to show how even the beliefs we assume to be completely solid may be questionable.
speaking from my study and experiences in various parts of south america, including peru and the mountains of cusco particularily, the only negative determinet coca leaf consumption is admitted to cause is yellowing teeth- although this isn’t even from the coca leaves but from the lime they chew in conjunction.
my entire point was to show the massive disparity of the worlds between ‘cocaine’ and ‘cocaine’, making blanket labels redundant out of paradox.
July 5th, 2008 at 10:47 pm
Perhaps I can come in here again with a relevant comment that isn’t off-the-wall and bloody stupid this time, as my previous entries above, which I ran from in shame.
As botanists who live and work in South America, occasionally stooge around on foot very high in the Andes and are then liable to suffer from ‘puna’ or ’soroche’ (altitude sickness)*, Anita and I can speak from personal experience of coca in Bolivia and Peru. People there recommended chewing the leaves, or better, drinking a diffusion or tea, as a remedial or preventative. (An entire garlic is said to be effective too!) It has always been part of Aymara and Quechua indian culture. It deadens hunger and helps to get workers through long and tedious hard labour at altitude, such as tin- and silver-mining. We think of it in connection with Spanish imperial ’slavery’, but no doubt it functioned in earlier Inca days as well. Apparently there is no pathological clinical addiction, as there is after the complex chemical processes that refine it to a potent powder.
We have also worked botanically in Turkey, where the oppium poppy is the resident narcotic. Areas in west Turkey are set
aside for official medical opium production. Women give their teething babies the seed pods to chew on, as the gum from which the heroin is refined helps to deaden the pain.
Both these two herbs have to be refined to become potent and addictive and socially destructive.
*Its fucking dangerous. One of our working botanical colleagues died of it in Nepal.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
Mr Graves,
I have backtracked a short way up the column from the readings that led to my last posting. (It seems I must have Chinese genes: I always seem to work from the bottom upwards. Eventually I may even discover what these Cocaine Songs actually are.) So it seems I haven’t stated anything new at all, merely in part supplemented your excellent discourse, not too tautologically, I trust.
I would only add that it occurs to me your use of the word cocaine, and explanation of its non-harmfulness, as opposed to the contaminants that come with it (these added in our country, shame to say), may perhaps be too ‘pure’ for most folks in the street. What I mean by that is that the word cocaine has become irrevocably attached in common useage and understanding to the tragic contaminant horrors that had us reeling so tearfully away from on our TV exposé here at the beginning of the week. (And caused my ill-considered red-rag-to-bull reaction above.) Not to mention the ‘trade’. A ‘trader’ actually lives opposite us, but at least he’s quiet and extremely discreet behind his sub-fortress walls, and we live on the dictum that a fox never fouls its own earth. Fascinatingly, he and his light candles to the (or a) virgin to bring them success in their enterprise.
I wonder how near-neighbours we might happen to be, Mr Graves?
Next, from what I have just learned above from and about segue. Whatever form of expression that appropriately conveys my feelings without, as Mr Graves says, bearing negative contempt or pity, I would wish to express to you, segue.
I consider though, Mr Graves, you were more than a bit harsh on that kind word sympathy. It is our common currency towards those who have just lost loved ones, after all, and I hardly think we can be accused of running down the line through pity to contempt in that case.
I’ve just dug my battered Concise Oxford out for the second time tonight.
sympathy: Being simultaneously affected with the same feeling, tendancy to share or state of sharing another person’s or thing’s emotion or sensation or condition;
mental participation in another’s troubles, compassion.
That’ll do from me, segue.
July 5th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Segue,
Oh, thank you, thank you for posting 158. I don’t feel half such a prat now. Only a quarter!
July 6th, 2008 at 12:34 am
Spanner in the works
Segue
I TOLD you, you would have fun here. You two are the best. And Spanner(Spinner) Prat? I get it. Just giving you a hard time. POST POST POST,. I Love it.
July 6th, 2008 at 3:30 am
Spanner: how very curious; on the topic of the definition of sympathy- I am not quite sure if this may be of a buddhist slant to my perspective but I have been taught that sympathy comes from a place where it is handed down, and empathy comes from a place where it is shared; the difference being that empathy is an actual effort to place yourself in their situation so you could understand and share the suffering of another (or any feeling) while sympathy is a recognition of suffering or loss without taking part in it.
It was odd that when I was reading your oxford description of sympathy I was actually saying to myself: ‘that’s the definition of empathy’.
Strange enough but no worries; perhaps at least it is clarified. I would not need to empathize with seque because I have had similiar experiences; and sympathy would be a denial of those similiar experiences to me.
Regardless, thank you for the clarifications on the botanicals in a much more conscise way than I am able; and I agree that you are absolutely coorect in differentiating the street connotation of cocaine from the indigenous roots; this was part of what I was trying to convey with mentioning that our individual perceptions, all of us, don’t encapsulate the world. There are people out there who only no of cocaine as the street chemical and nothing else; there are those who only know it as a sacred plant. I guess wisdom and dignity is earned for ourselves when we recognize that none of us sees through the universal eyes of whatever God we wish to follow.
July 6th, 2008 at 3:45 am
and I apologize for my terrible spelling and grammar; it is late here.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:25 am
Mr Graves,
Don’t apologise. I, we, most of us do it all the time (make grammatical slips and spelling errors) here. What we are doing is almost conversation in writing in essense. Sometimes I correct stuff afterwards in the next posting and kid myself I’m doing that to clarify for the readership, but I fear its our old friend hubris again!
If I want something publishable, I have to keep re-checking and revising it about 10 times. I’m not Wolfie Mozart: I can’t write out a perfect string quartet on the back of a table napkin straight off while I’m playing billiards (even if I could write string quartets or play billiards). Actually, I understand he did revise a lot more than is generally supposed.
I suspect sympathy and empathy have become muddled, with the latter now largely a synonym of the former in common useage. It happens all the time. I once regretted the loss of the word gay in its other meaning (gay 90s, a gay little flower, etc.), but it’s no good banging your head against the wall for lost causes (I rather like that mixed metaphor). I nearly said no good kicking against pricks, but there’s another mixed-up little word that might get me into deep trouble! As a botanist, I have thought to use ‘Kicking against Pricks’ for my autobiography simply because of the simple beauty of its ambivalence.
I’m on the run now, but I’ll look up what the COD says for empathy later.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:25 am
As a title, I mean.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:40 am
Spanner in the Works: You’re too late, mate! Samuel Beckett published a collection of short stories with the title ‘More Kicks than Pricks’ in 1934…
July 6th, 2008 at 7:42 am
Or rather, ‘More Pricks than Kicks’. (The book’s behind me on the shelf as I type.)
July 6th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Thanks ciunas.
On the basis that imitation is the finest form of flattery, that 1934 is quite a long way (culturally) from twothousandandsomething (and God, doesn’t it feel a long way, not that I go back QUITE that far), and that few people into botanical exploration are consciously Waiting for Godot, I’ll probably go ahead anyway. Besides I have particular pricks in mind. Did he?
empathy: The power of projecting one’s personality into (and so fully comprehending) the object of contemplation (COD 1956, when it was defined as a term in clinical psychology).
July 6th, 2008 at 8:09 am
Oh, do you recommend the Beckett?
July 6th, 2008 at 9:56 am
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Segue,
Oh, thank you, thank you for posting 158. I don’t feel half such a prat now. Only a quarter!
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Well, someone had to say it, and I just happened to be there.
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“Still not convinced, huh? Then look this up yourself: The U.S. government sanctions pure cocaine for medical use and imports it quite out in the open, no controversy or stir, every year. Go ask your dentist about the practises of using cocaine in dentristy. Look up the medical distribution of cocaine.”
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Spanner in the works and I both addressed your comments far more clearly and fully than you. You claim to have suggested people speak with their physicians about cocaine, but the only reference to speaking to anyone is to a dentist.
You offer something to “look up”, but no directions or instructions as to where. Of course, I could find it, but what about the folks who are buying the stuff on the streets? Do you suppose they have the first clue about how any of this?
Spanner actually covered everything I would have posted, had I been in the right place to do so. So just re-read his post and add a “me, too”.
July 6th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Higher up, Randall accused me of throwing scads of algae in the water. Well, he was correct. But the problem with this subject (drugs, art and life) is that it IS full of blanketweed, and what has happened since I left with my tail between my legs merely proves just that. There are ‘n’ viewpoints and ‘n’ aspects and they all interlock and intertwine. And many folks wear blinkers to see what they want to see, and nothing else.
In case I don’t have time to develop any ideas, which is highly likely, here are a few key associated words and short ideas I jotted down on a scrap of paper. You can almost cut them up into units, drop them in a hat, pull out any two or three and make a perspective. Each on its own will also probably lead you off somewhere into the subject. Sorry they’re just a lot of disjointed, addled fragments
I’m no professional in any of these areas. My only tools are amateur logic and homespun philosophy. Real intelligent discussion requires trained professional specialists, creative artists, etc. etc.
Addiction. Obsession (mainly men). Compulsion (mainly women). All these are probably evolutionary-evolved human necessities. Addiction is far more common in our lives than we mostly suppose. I think I may be becoming addicted to Listverse. I seriously mean that.
‘Dr House’ addicted to his painkiller. (Splendid actor)
Effects: Neurological. Other physical. Heightened perception. Distorted perception. cf. drunkenness. Harmless. Toxic. Withdrawal symtoms. Pathological. Psychedelic.
Social and personal dangers. Influence.
Inspiration: Communicating heightened or altered perception. Ludwig, JSB and Wolfie worked on a different plane.
Taste is indefinite. Bad taste. Good taste. Largely defined by specialist or general consensus. A slippery concept that varies with time, place and context. Taste gurus. Taste is not synonymous with popularity: lists such as 10 Fads are dealing with this. ‘Taste’ is like feeling sick or happy. We all know exactly what these feel like but they’re almost impossible to put into words.
O.K. You can all chuck me out of this list again now for screwing up the topic.
As a penance I will repair to my tape collection and play what I have of the heading artists (Guns ‘n’ Roses, Lynyrd Skynyrd, The Eagles & The Stones. Wot, no ….?)
Who knows, I might even enjoy them.
July 6th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
There’s one aspect I forgot. It’s so integral it shouldn’t be left out.
Most countries stamp all over marijuana. Yet their governments and societies fund themselves heavily by taxes on two drugs known for their serious social and health problems: alcohol and tobacco.
So the missing word is: Hypocricy.
July 6th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
segue: I’m not exactly sure I have any idea what you are talking about now; I’m even more confused than before. Everything spanner and I have discussed we have been in agreement on.
For some reason I think you take offense and I’ll not waste my time worrying about it because your stance is completely convoluted>
‘Spanner in the works and I both addressed your comments far more clearly and fully than you.’
Spanner confirmed what I was saying; I only asked you to clarify what you actually disagreed with. Nothing I stated contradicted anything he said. I’m not sure where you get the idea how I can agree with everything he has said and it somehow fuel’s your idea that I am wrong and you are right on something that I don’t even know you disagree with me on because you haven’t even told me when I simply asked you what part it was. The last bit about being more clear and full blablabla is just uncalled for but to each their own.
‘You claim to have suggested people speak with their physicians about cocaine, but the only reference to speaking to anyone is to a dentist.’
I’m not quite sure what country you are from, but where I am from, dentists are doctors. If it is different for you, that’s surprising to me, but no worries, I could see how you would find that an odd statement. If not, then I’m starting to see an agenda of passive agressiveness. I won’t lose sleep over it.
‘You offer something to “look up”, but no directions or instructions as to where.’
OK, fair. I didn’t say ‘Google’. I could add derogatory sarcasm and follow with how to use google, but that would be as unneseccarily hostile as, say, interjecting pedantic accusations on simplistic logical consequences.
‘Of course, I could find it, but what about the folks who are buying the stuff on the streets? Do you suppose they have the first clue about how any of this?’
Neither of those two questions address the point of my first comment, which was about how different locations in life can lead to radically different views on the same topic and assuming everyone should have the same view is false. In fact, those two questions are arguments in favour of supporting that.
The entire issue of cocaine was an EXAMPLE. I could have used cheeseburgers. Example.
‘Spanner actually covered everything I would have posted, had I been in the right place to do so. So just re-read his post and add a “me, too”.’
Um…. great. All I ever did was ask which parts you thought I was wrong about and you went off like I’m trying to hump your cat or something. I’m sorry. You weren’t clear. Now you’ve become passive agressive and looking for a reason to be offended to justify it.
Look, you stated a portion of what I wrote simply wasn’t true/correct. I only asked what parts you thought because you didn’t say which. If that is somehow a huge affront on my part, I’m not going to apologize. I will regret that we got off on the wrong foot, but you can go back through what I wrote and I don’t think you can find anything delibrately insulting or offensive towards you in any way. I don’t need to justify things I didn’t do, nor do I need to waste any more time explaining the same thing over and over again. I did it in attempt to be courteous and polite.
July 6th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
Boy, I feel like I really am the spanner in the works now!
(Oil on troubled waters joke, folks.)
July 6th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
ayo for yayo by andre nickatina. can’t forget that one..
July 6th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
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Mr. Graves, I’m sorry to have confused you, and I may not help undo much of the confusion here and now ( for reasons I do not wish to go into, but, honestly, I feel no aggression, so any you pick up is coming from elsewhere ).
Anyway, no, Dentist’s are not Doctors here.
They have entirely different educations, at entirely different schools, and study for much different lengths of time, undergoing different internships under different rules and in different institutions. The two have *no* similarity at all.
Hence, my confusion.
I’m in no condition to be analytical at the moment. So ta.
July 6th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
Cyn; After reading these comments I definitely need a fatty. Between this and the gay marriage thread, maybe 2.
I understand that you were just making a point about the lack of friendly attitude and the need for everyone to chill out.
Obviously some folks aren’t quite so perceptive.
July 6th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Spanner in the works: Well, yes, I would recommend Beckett’s prose fiction generally, but with the caveat that the prose is often v dense & difficult. The novel ‘Murphy’ is perhaps the most accessible. V funny occasionally too. But a beach book it ain’t.
July 6th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Mom424 -
July 6th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
ciunas,
Thanks for the rec. I ain’t got a beach anyway, squire. Never read any Beckett, but used to listen to him broadcast on BBC 3rd sometimes. Long time back, but an especially memorable work was a monologue perhaps written for the actress who performed it. I believe she may have been Billie Whitelaw. It was about a woman who had done nothing in her life but play bingo. Dead, she was obliged to occupy herself for eternity doing the only think she knew: bingo. Memorably black.
I’ll have a word with our local lit.-whizz ex-pat. lady friend when she comes back from July 4 celebrations in NY, and find out if she has any in her library to lend.
July 6th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
What, on God’s green earth, is a fatty?
July 6th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
segue: Mom424 partakes of the kind bud, dude.
July 6th, 2008 at 6:51 pm
Angelina: Segue is a dudette. I’m sure she still gets the point.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
segue a “fattie” is a joint. A marijuana cigarette.
July 6th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
#191 Spanner in the works Are blinkers the same as blinders? Like you would put on a horse.
July 6th, 2008 at 8:05 pm
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204. Vera Lynn
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Thank you all, “fatty” was not a term familiar to me, I’m sure we had a different name for the same thing. In the day, my recreation of choice was not pot, but acid and other “see what isn’t there” organics.
Now my drugs are by order, not for fun .
July 7th, 2008 at 12:11 am
Vera,
You’ve got it. I hadn’t heard the word blinders before, but that’s exactly it, that’s what blinkers are too.
And you and the others have put my ‘Slang Thesaurus’ to shame. It gives me 32 alternatives for a joint, but no ‘fatty’. It does date from 1986 though, so is ‘fatty’ more recent, or has my thesaurus missed out (again!)?
July 7th, 2008 at 12:24 am
I found quite a lot of the comments in the list itself pretty funny, personally.
The comments on the list, a lot less so. I understand that not everyone will enjoy every list and some will have very personal reasons as to why. But I will never understand the instant correlation between personal dislike and the ‘it shouldn’t exist’ mentality.
Some commenters that I’ve enjoyed on other occasions came off looking like pompous, over-zealous moral majority asshats, which is very discouraging. If you have an issue with cocaine, as legitimate as that issue might be, why read a list about cocaine? And if you do choose to read it, why try to quash it?
Even more disturbing than the content of those comments is the tone. It seems as though some have a sense of ownership to this site and unless I’m mistaken, JFrater only has the one name. Also, pig-piling on someone with a dissenting opinion is the lowest form of debate, if one can even call it that. Threats and personal attacks do little to further your viewpoint and actually do harm to it. Those things, far more than the content of this list, strike me as inappropriate and disappointing for listverse.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:37 am
Arisma -
well said.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:39 am
Metallica – Master of Puppets
(…)
Chop your breakfast on a mirror
Taste me you will see
More is all you need
Dedicated to
How I’m killing you
July 7th, 2008 at 6:19 am
Neil Young says, “It’s a shame that the things we need to help us live end up killing us.” Or something like that.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:31 am
Thanks, Cyn.
Took some pondering to figure out exactly why those comments irked me so much, but I think I got it in the end.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:42 am
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Threats and personal attacks do little to further your viewpoint and actually do harm to it. Those things, far more than the content of this list, strike me as inappropriate and disappointing for listverse.
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I wish you had been here a few days ago…but then, I wouldn’t have had the opportunity to be granted QOTD.
So I guess all’s well, that ends well.
Your comments, however, are quite intelligent and to the point. Exactly what I was trying, in vain, to get across myself.
Perhaps it was at the wrong moment to do so.
Thank you, Arisma.
July 7th, 2008 at 9:41 am
Slick, Buc, and Randall want more lists about puppy dogs and neat pictures of clouds that are shaped like things.
If you don’t like the list, read the next one.
Love,
Dow
July 7th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
Segue et al; I am pretty sure the term fatty is just a short form of a big fat joint or fatty joint. I too experimented with mind altering psychedelics; decided in my early 20’s that I prefer both feet on the ground with the brain in close proximity. I prefer the illusion of control; I have only been drunk maybe twice in the last 20 years. And my kids have never seen me not in control of my faculties. (Well as much as I am able, anyway). I smoke weed as a relaxant, after work, after supper to help me unwind. I’m a tad high strung. Just in case you didn’t notice.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Mom424: Is weed legal where you live?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Joe,
That’s an interesting variant on ‘We always kill the things we love.” Maybe it’s their revenge?
Dow,
Clouds shaped like things is a fascinating subject, because some folk believe that if you see the face of someone you know as a cloud in the sky it’s a miracle, others consider it is just one of the rolls of the dice of chance, and still more suppose it’s probably through snorting coke.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
#217 Spanner
My sister sees faces in tree trunks. It’s weird. When I look at clouds, I see clouds (or floods lately around here). I see faces and animals in rocks and ceramic tile. Same object, different face depending on lighting. It affects the shadows.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
I have a picture on my Cell phone with several faces in it. My brother took the picture which is of a miniature waterfall in front of some apartment building in my city. The faces are very detailed especially one of them that resembles an elderly man. True story.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
MPW There’s something like that here in Millenium Park. It’s faces and a waterfall. Only saw it once so my recollections are fuzzy.
Hi BTW. (Don Juan)
July 7th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Hi Vera Lynn.
these are ghost faces, one looks like my aunts dead boyfriend
July 7th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
The BuckCherry and Johnny Cash songs are good. Not fond of the rest.
Eric Clapton must be insane to think that song was anti-coke!
July 7th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
MPW; No it is not, but it is socially acceptable none the less. Our politicians actually inhaled. The penalties for possession are almost non-existent. And growing for your own use is generally ignored. Of course because it is still illegal (pressure from the USDEA a big part of its continuing illegality I might add) means that it attracts the criminal element. I personally try to be responsible and generally purchase from small non-criminal farmers. (Well technically I guess they are criminals, but not the gun-toting organized crime type criminals). It is legal with a doctor’s note and it can be purchased from the Gov’t. I understand that it was pretty shitty to begin with, I don’t know if it has improved. I personally know someone who successfully fought prosecution by showing all the prescription meds she no longer took.
July 7th, 2008 at 8:13 pm
218, Vera.
Come to think of it, I seem to have seen more than a few movies where trees have faces. Sometimes the trees also move about. Sometimes not. Sounds like another list coming on.
Mom424
Where we live in South America they raided an old lady who had been told to grow mary for a serious health problem and prosecuted her. It made me wonder who actually was sick.
July 7th, 2008 at 8:15 pm
No sorry. the U.s. guvments war is still pedjewdiss and propaganda sublimity.
cooder be worse, but the pilgrims and thar she blows muskets, still puff and they’ll tag your camper like out dated hippy I luv the dead bumber stick to the roof of forgotten camps shared bubble gum.
yo!
2008
July 7th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
spanner mo whammer the backdoor high rise of knarry green sprouts apon the cement are a confiscated issue..”I take and not give you ticket”
Off the highway of the world, is what i heard first accounts of.
but this aint no cocaine sing song
so never mind yah
2008er
July 7th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
okey dokey smokey
iffy sniffy
those clubs off yar1 that dance floor boogie. girlies in the pisser, exchangin blows
the white snow of destruction…but oh hell yeh / a good afro-dizzy yak ack ack.
this girls a buzzin
lookin for action?
2008erz
July 7th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
if it aint right, it is wrong. this pile of dirt dont do shit. but maybe this pile is stronger than dirt. If it is stronger than that, I raise my only king. so stick him out a window and raise a landfill of crack, make soul train trends of forgotten soldiers
July 7th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
pretty pretty
chuncky abigail looked good in blue light
i luv her hands as they wave in the angel dust of my heart
obvious now, no? this “les horribles” bird within the room. too much is too much. but the dangle of death swings like a daffidil. I am in heaven, with or without you.
cocaine songs be damned!
July 7th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
Oh Abigail, you are so pretty. Chunky Abigail is looking good in blue light. Your hands wave like love. My wings are light dust of youth. Abagail angel, death curls up and shrivels all the beauty away. Tonight is young but tomarrow is a weak bird without grasp of anything.
July 7th, 2008 at 10:33 pm
#225-#230 booger
Huh? I didn’t really catch that. Are you OK? I’m kind of scared for you. It seems too disjointed and disconnected. Tomorrow isn’t a weak bird, but an informed consequence.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Jesus, I’m gone for a few days, and look at the mess you people leave.
Segue:
You wrote to me way up above, in comment #140, I believe:
“Randall: SpannerInTheWorks is a trained, working Botanist. When he speaks of weed or weeds, he is speaking of garden pest plants, not marijuana. He doesn’t deserve to be belittled or otherwise:”
You misunderstood, seg, and should re-read the discussion more closely. I believe Spanner was trying to put forth the question as to whether drug use was defendable (or something along those lines… memory fails me at the moment). I belittled his tortured prose, not the gist of what he was saying.
“You may have been away when his job was under discussion,”
I was.
“…and he is a Brit, with the Saharanly dry Brit sense of humor. If you’re not used to it, it takes some doing.”
I can assure you I’m very used to it. I have several very good friends who are Brits. I have an ex-girlfriend, still a very good friend, who is a Brit, and still lives there… very posh, very dry wit.
But in the original post Spanner wrote, which I replied to, it seemed he was.. mixing his metaphors and confusing his issues a tad. The mere fact that he’s a Brit doesn’t give him license. I’ve read some of his posts–clearly he’s a highly intelligent soul and I’ll be glad to carry on conversations with him should the occasion arise.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:03 am
And Spanner:
I hope I *didn’t* offend… I’m in a bad mood these days. Grumpy and distracted is what I am.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:59 am
I yam what I yam, and that’s all that I yam… hmm… I must be a tuber…
July 8th, 2008 at 8:15 am
Welcome back, Randall: thought you’d been pretty quiet lately. How about a site where we can all post when we are off and able to reply or participate. Our enemies will then appreciate they haven’t won!
I wrote the main body of this posting (an intended air-clearing) apart, so here’s mine to your recents above, 232-233. No offence taken at all, squire, you have it in a nutshell. I think I made pretty clear by words and deeds (i.e. pissing off temporarily) that I had, to put it delicately, fucked up above. I’m delighted we should keep on track together (see also below).
It was sweet of segue to take my part (Hell, I haven’t even found time to read that as ‘original’ yet. It’s tough going trying to contribute, AND read, AND visit even a tad of the sites that might interest one.) I was actually going to put ‘weed’ in my 224, but chose ‘mary’ for a bit of variation. I’m quite likely to refer to a reefer or happy cake as ‘weed’; and the plants in my garden that I don’t want and dig up or spray with herbicides as “you bastards”, usually prefaced by “Die”!
Sarahan wit? Oh, dear. Now you guys are trying to make responsible for all that famine and misery in north Africa.
SERMON
My main purpose here is act as intermediary and plead for MrGraves and segue to mend your fences. You belong on the same side. You both represent the Voice of Reason and tolerance and stand against bigotry and narrow-mindedness.
One of you has a very cool and highly analytical mind, the other is more tinged with emotional overtones and personal experience. Perhaps I fall somewhere inbetween. I suspect that it is these two differences and some misunderstanding engendered by them that perhaps has come between you. May I suggest you accept this, recognise your overwhelming common ground, and wipe the slate clean.
Verb. sap. There has been calm and sensible wisdom spoken here about staying away from the list (I was tempted to use a medieval metaphor and say ‘staying out of the lists’) if you don’t want to stick to, and contribute positively to, its musical style and content. Irrational and disrespectful aggression and anger have also been condemned. It has been noted how people have misinterpreted its intentions and humour, and brought along a whole load of excess baggage. I think this is astonishingly naïve though. If you put the word ‘cocaine’ in the title, you must expect people to be drawn to it like bees to honey out of curiosity and existing strong feelings. I was. You cannot then change the goal posts and blame them. Nor can you post a notice qualifying the sort of reponse and respondees you want. I suspect that any title with an evident content of religion, politics, race, drugs and (homo)sex (no one bothers much about the hetero kind these days), plus some medical topics will have the same effect. Not everyone is blessed to be born with a coherent intellect and the ability to express its refined contents calmly. My brain is hurting just trying to set down these ideas in order! When strong feelings are aroused that cannot be expressed, they almost inevitably burst out as unrefined anger, even violence. Don’t expect anything else. If emotion is strong enough, it may overwhelm our usual reason anyway. It’s plain enough that anyone who happens to know a friend or relation who has been killed by a gun, or in a car accident, or had their lives negatively affected by drugs, or has been racially abused, or had a child raped by a paedophile, is going to have very different but very valid views on those subjects to those without that direct experience. You’re hardly expressing that sort of latent possibility in a title like ‘The World’s 10 Ugliest Beetles’! But you won’t get around 200-300 often passionate responses for beetles either: just a handful of comments from a few way-out wierdos like me.
It has also occurred to me that Listverse is a bit like the equivalent of a cross between a pub and a huge debating society for the blind and deaf, if that doesn’t sound too oxymoronic. What I mean is, we exchange ideas socially and vividly without having the faintest idea what the rest od us sound or look like, or perhaps where they come from. At times there is doubt as to whether someone is male or female (I don’t mean that literally), or how old they are. That’s half the fun, but our different backgrounds and styles, and the inability to pick up verbal nuances or facial expressions and react accordingly can easily lead to unintended misunderstandings, as segue has wisely pointed out. It’s happened twice to me already (more times, for all I know). We should all be sensible of that, and make plenty of allowances.
After the irrelevant diversion on opal mining over on another list, the thought struck me that this electronic get-together has similarities. Each list is its own little opal mine, and we all tunnel enthusiastically into it for a while finding fire opals, black opals, common white opals, and at times low quality stuff or even sheer useless rock. We mine each tunnel until we’ve extracted to a reasonable level, then leave and open a new mine. Some enjoy returning to the old ones occasionally and finding a few gems that have been left behind or overlooked. Its great, but sometimes needs a bit of give-and-take. Mine tunnels can be claustrophobic places.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:15 am
sticky fingers depressing? this album broke my rock’n'roll cherry! one of the greatest albums of all time-yes robert you are correct, it is “can’t you hear me knockin’”
July 8th, 2008 at 8:16 am
l.2, word 8 above: ‘unable’, not ‘able’.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:50 am
Don’t tangle with botanists, JayArr,
We’re the most pedantic buggers in the world next to rock freaks.
Yam: Dioscorea spp. (“some collected for manufacture of steroidal hormones or use as oral contraceptives. D. daemona (= demon yam) tubers used to kill pigs and fish in Sumatra.”)
Also Ipomaea batatas an edible morning glory.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:27 am
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Yam: Dioscorea spp (”some collected for manufacture of steroidal hormones or use as oral contraceptives. D. daemona (= demon yam) tubers used to kill pigs and fish in Sumatra.”)
Also Ipomaea batatas an edible morning glory.
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Also, as you very well know: Dioscoreaceae Dioscorea batatas Deene.
Which just happens to be my favorite vegetable.
did my last, long, post go through? The one addressing both Randall and Spanner?
July 8th, 2008 at 10:19 am
segue,
213 is your last, so probably not.
Anyway, here’s the chance I’ve been waiting for.
I had to leave this comment for another list. I promised not to obfuscate ‘Epics’ any more, and being Bitish I’m a man of my word (but wait for an upcoming comment somewhere about the Belgrano sinking!):
You have some gorgeous wildflowers in your neck of the woods.
July 8th, 2008 at 11:48 am
Seriously, I was gone last week but some of the greatest minds of history used cocaine. Sigmund Freud, Ben Franklin… Drugs were not even considered bad until the early 1900s
So, to quote Rick James…
Cocaine is a hell of a drug…
July 8th, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Benjamin Franklin?!?! It’s no wonder he got so much shit done. That “blows” my mind. How do you know? I knew he liked to drink (Beer is proof G-d loves us), but cocaine?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:31 am
segue,
Your 239. Nothing since. Did your long post get lost then?
I’ve learned the hard way that it’s better to set out long postings safely on file first; copy them onto the ‘launch pad’ of the list; and finally eliminate the original after having checked the posting has gone through. Saves a lot of heartache in the event of a technical cock-up.
More botanical pedantry. I should have written Ipomoea not Ipomaea. Stoopid me.
Also, and I’ll probably shoot myself when you tell me the obvious answer, I didn’t get the ‘Deene’ bit following the latin name of your favourite vegetable.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:34 am
just me
I don’t think they’d yet invented the Medellin cartel and all that in those days either.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:08 am
Spanner/Segue,
When you speak of ‘one of us’ having the analytical mind, I am fairly sure the mathematical permutatons will lead to the subject being myself. I only wish to add, elucidate, enunciate, that I (as I am sure so many others have) been around online discussion for a chronological period extensive enough to eliminate the non academic from my regimen- unless it is pre-agreed upon that it is a valid stance.
I feel no need to humour anyone, let alone seque in any silly dance of semantics, anyone who cared enough to reread over the chronology of posts could quite easily see my point elucidates itself exactly, not through what I have submitted, but through the meandering attemtps at passive aggresiveness and then the follow through gambit for semantic elusiveness when segue’s first faled play is called upon.
The play is quite easy to see; seque made an accusation; I called segue upon it; they retreated to the standard ‘I’ve said it and if you can’t see it then it is your own fault’ play. This is an easily rebuked method of intellectual cowardice, most often exhibeited in someone with no training in critical discourse.
This is perfectly fine in something as nonsensical and meaningless as a forum; as an educated scientist I am quite sure you know and acknowledge that such a response would be laughed at and mocked in the academic world- at kindest.
However, I have many better things to do with my time, as I sure you do. My point is that you should not waste your valuable time trying to mediate when the medium is so ripe for the average mind to pretend it is canny through common elusiveness hidden by nothing more than dodging the basic, simple question, and trying to wrap it up in misdirections and red herrings.
So, segue, rather than trying to hide, please, as I have asked many times and you feel the need to run away from, simply enlighten me as to which parts of my original post you feel are not true.
If your ego was not such an obstacle, you might find that in the end I may have even agreed with you. Or, perhaps, you made a statment that in restospect, you do not find valid.
Regardless, addressing anything other than the exact issue, is intellectual cowardice.
Good day.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
MrGraves,
I pointed out above that Listverse strikes me as something like a cross between a debating society and a pub. Debating societies can have procedures, rules and moderators. Pubs certainly don’t. They are known for their occasional brawls. They may need their bouncers (= jfrater). I believe you are demanding an intellectually high standard you would be hard-pressed to find anywhere. Certainly not in politics, and, it hurts me to admit, not universally in science either, where plenty of intellectual dishonesty occurs, given half a chance. Even in science at the highest levels, peer reviewing is required to keep matters up to standard. From what I’ve read, you also seem serious to a fault. I’m having a lot of positive fun here. I expect rough and tumbles. When the moment comes that a list no longer offers me that, or response dies out, or I run foul of something really shitty, I leave it. The same philosophy will hold for Listverse as a whole, although I may sooner or later be forced to leave reluctantly anyway because, as you indicate, there is so much else to get done. However, I would prefer to qualify those alternatives as being more relevant to me and mine than actually ‘better’. King Canute doesn’t rule here, I suggest. The makeup of Listverse respondees is what it is. A mishmash. You cannot set a throne on the sand and expect it to conform to your specifications.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:15 pm
Spanner: You said it beautifully. Kudos.
That being said, Mr.Graves You are perhaps the most elequent poster. But do you have to be so confrontational? Lord knows, you don’t want the rep that S_R has.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
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MrGraves……I believe you are demanding an intellectually high standard you would be hard-pressed to find anywhere……You cannot set a throne on the sand and expect it to conform to your specifications.
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Spanner, first of all, thank you.
I consider you a friend, albeit a rather ethereal one, and would not hesitate to step up and say a few words in your defense.
This is not the first time Graves and I have come to loggerheads. There was a list a while ago on terrible abuses done to women around the world.
Graves made a remark to the effect that these deeds were not evil, because does not exist; evil is merely a perception.
I took great offense, and let him know it in not at all kind terms.
I believe he’s still attempting to get back at me.
I won’t play.
I have quit reading one list due to the posts of one member, and I will just as easily refuse to play Graves games, for games is all they are.
I have nothing to win, nothing to lose.
I have too much fun with the rest of the folks here to let a couple of ego’s ruin it for me.
And now, my body is reminding me that it’s well past time for my nightly opiate dose, my brain is closing down because the pain is creeping in.
Til tomorrow, ta!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 pm
segue,
If you’re back tomorrow, I’m just considering evil (and good)very briefly for another list (though much, much briefer than below).
My perception, for what it’s worth:
Evil can be taken on one of two planes. As an eternal, objective, consistent, integral element of existence. Or as a subjective, even expedient and somewhat flexible creation of intelligent minds. I subscribe to the latter.
Let’s be sensible. How can it be ‘evil’ to wear a bikini in 1908 and perfectly acceptable in 2008? Clearly any creature we feed on would have seen the murder of Kennedy not as evil, but as the ‘good’ removal of one of its predators. It would similarly rejoice in the existence of serial killers and Hitler, and only wish for more like them!
But my view does not in the least deny the existence of evil. Far from it, it only qualifies. A social as opposed to largely religious view of evil perhaps tends to invest it with a rather woolly edge, but there is also a definite ‘hard-centre’ based on consensus. (I am discounting sociopaths, psychopaths and other perpetrators as judges of what the rest of us regard as ‘evil’ of course.) That is, homosexuality is regarded as evil by some but not by others (woolly). Paedophilia and violence against the defenseless, however, is quite rightly regarded as evil by effectively all society. Even then, we have to acknowledge that in treating or trying to cure such offenders the emotional concept, ‘evil’ is not only irrelevant, but may even be counterproductive to medical circles.
There is another disturbing aspect. We consider Bin Laden the personification of evil. Many fundamental moslems see him as a messenger of Allah. That too seems to me to deny any all-pervading universal ‘hypothetical’ evil.
However evil is qualified, good must be similarly qualified.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:03 am
segue,
How remiss of me not to thank you for your kind remark on friendship, and not to return it, even if it is e-thereal.
(I used to pronounce that etther-reel as a kid).
A bit like ‘84 Charing Cross Road, maybe, but a corporate system, not individual distant communication. Good, that gives us yet more friends.
Apropos, unlikely though it may seem, in another re-incarnation, the property 84, Charing Cross Road provided me with the core of my CD collection. An excellent record shop it was too before it closed down in the 90s.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:10 am
what about “cocaine” by eric clapton????
July 10th, 2008 at 7:31 am
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…editing not because what you wrote doesn’t address the issue, or isn’t spot-on, but because I’d have to include the entire post…
“However evil is qualified, good must be similarly qualified.”
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Exactly!
It is, and has been for many, many years (since 7th grade to be honest, but refined along the way), my contention that *evil* is the doing of harm to those who are weaker than we, or who are under our control. It can be, and in many cases *MUST* be, extended, to include turning ones back on helping those in peril of losing their lives, when your aid could be the difference between life and death, between a life worth living and a life of torturous pain.
*Good* is pretty much the opposite of evil. It is offering a helping hand to another human being. It is taking an active role when someone is in immediate danger. It is honoring every working able-bodied person, no matter the job (we need garbagemen as much…or more… as we corporate CEOs). It is acting as a responsible steward for our home, our planet, and the animals who rely on the planet for their daily sustenance, their livelihood, if you will. *Good* has nothing to do with fashion, or what is the currently “politically correct” climate, and has everything to do with how we treat each other.
Obviously, I could make this much longer and more “eloquent”, but I wanted to respond to your post, with which I agree ( at least I seem to
July 10th, 2008 at 11:13 am
segue,
I’d just like to add that I feel turning one’s back on someone in need may often be cowardice, lack of confidence in one’s ability to rise to the occasion, physical fear, or even at times sheer social inhibition (a kind of psychological fear), rather than evil. Not that I am offering those as excuses. Knowingly pushing someone who couldn’t swim into a deep, flowing river and walking away would, on the other hand, undoubtedly classify as evil.
Of course helping out inevitably involves the converse word, as exemplified in The GOOD Samaritan.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Apropos.
When I was 8 and couldn’t swim, I was alone with a friend in a garden, no adults. A hot day, and we began to fill up a very deep swinning pool. When it was about half-full, he pushed me in. I couldn’t reach the edge and went under several times. All my other friends would have panicked and run off. He pulled me out. His ‘good’, cool reflex action following his ‘evil’ deed is one of many reasons I am writing to you now. Later, as an army instructor, he rugby- kicked away a live grenade a recruit had dropped. It exploded
in the air a distance away and so did not kill or main any of the 13 recruits and himself. For that he received a very high-ranking medal. He was that kind of guy. Sorry, I’ve hi-jacked the topic yet again.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
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I had to abandon this topic for a bit, or I would have filled out my answer more completely. I see you have done the job for me.
Tomorrow is going to be devoted mostly to doctor appointments, which I have grown to hate more each year. You’d think that after eleven year of having to devote at least 3 or 4 days a month to various doctors ( not counting their delightful high-tec test), I’d have grown a thick skin about it.
No.
The day before has to be pretty much a “play-day”…as was today.
A few hours at the beach, garden time, now I’m in the middle of making a dark pumpernikle loaf and dark pumpernikle with currants buns.
I’d be working on my photography project, but some of the supplies I need have to be special ordered, so there’s a hold up with that.
Your childhood friend seems to have discovered, even as a child following his childish impulse, what his true nature is. And it is good.
My youngest child, my rugby playing, petite daughter, came across a 6′2″ man kicking his girlfriend, who was cowering on the ground. My child, well, she was 24, attacked the attacker, her flexibility and power, gained from capoete and rugby, meant she was able to kick the much larger man in the back of the head, in the chin, in the chest…by the time the police arrived, the man was more than ready to surrender.
When she told me what had happened, I was shocked. I had raised my kids to help those in need, but I never thought of this particular scenario. She was in shape, she was ready, but Mom was blown away, scared half to death. Then scared again at the trial, when she was escorted in and out of the court building but half a dozen huge detectives. Even I was not allowed to be with them.
Very bad people, evidently.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
segue,
Hope you’re still a-reading.
Your story reminds me of another I heard at second-hand, from my “pot”-ty landlord, Pete, and landlady of yore, Joycey, (lived with them just post-divorce from first wife). It concerned another in their circle I knew quite well, a very lean, strong and chipper-looking fellow whom we all once helped out with some physical building work. I knew this guy was a British regional amateur Black Dan judo champion. Pete told me he’d been walking home from the gym late one night to where he lived on the very outskirts of south London. He ran into two white youngsters beating up a black guy. Well, that cooked their goose, eh? Not a bit of it. It gave the West Indian a chance to sprint for it, but they both drew knives. Our friend laid one of them out. The other sliced his arm open, including an artery. By the time he was finally got to hospital he’d lost so much blood, it was touch and go whether they could save him. Happily they did … just.
I am still haunted by what might have been a similar story for us in Turkey, and unsure whether my own part was cowardice or sensible prudence.
We had arrived at a small town in the foothills of the Antitaurus mountains for a botanical exploration trek, four of us in camper. We were 20s, 30s, two chicks, two blokes. My companion was studious, not an action man. I was never, a fighter, but reasonably fit. The usual huge crowd of curious male Turks crowded round us in the narrow valley road. In particular the girls drew them like a magnet, though they came anyway. Turks have a native hospitability to some extent based on religion. An old, bent shoe-cleaner fellow wanted to brush us all up. We didn’t need it, but were embarrassed to refuse. Everyone watched the proceedings. He coudn’t do anything with my flip-flops! He also didn’t want any payment, but that again embarrassed us seemingly well-off ‘infidels’. We pressed some uselessly small money onto him. His acceptance apparently enraged a hulking great young brute of 19-20, on the verge of military service, who punched him to the ground and started kicking shit out of him. (Turkish male kids were – are? – by and large utterly spoiled and repulsive until mitilary service, when it’s all knocked out of them and they emerge as thoroughly pleasant young men. He was clearly on the point of call-up and probably jittery about that into the bargain.) By the time what was happening had sunk in, I began to wonder what I should do, as no Turk was miving a finger to stop it. Then through my mind flashed the thought that I was responsible for the girls. What if it turned really ugly and the crowd reacted against any intervention on our part? Never mind me. At last an older fellow intervened and dragged the brute off, who immediately rushed into his nearby home and came out brandishing a large knife. He took a swipe at his restrainer, but luckily this time a few hands grabbed his knife-arm and he was eventually restrained.
That was an early Turkish working journey, only our second. Diplomatic friends whom we got to know later said I did exactly the right thing. I would not only have risked injury or death myself, but the others might indeed have become dangerously embroiled. This was borne out by our own later experiences (happily always resolved), and worse ones we heard at second-hand involving tourists. But I’ve never truly become reconciled with my failure to intervene. To me that situation only arose because of us.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:05 am
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Spanner, that you did the right at the time, should have been made quite clear by the words of your more experienced Diplomatic friends.
You’d been put into a position not of your making (the shoeman’s forced attentions), where neither acceptance nor denial would have been viewed as appropriate by the crowd; followed by your acceptance and attempted payment which, again, was viewed as inappropriate (as well as making at least one fellow mightily angry at the poor old man for accepting)…but, again, *you, your group* were put into a situation *NOT* of your making. You had to do what was right under the circumstances, and that was protecting your group.
Oddly enough, your Diplomatic friends agreed with my assessment.
The old man’s own family, certainly represented in the curious crowd, were going to be on hand to be his protectors. Family ties are very strong in that part of the world.
It may have seemed a long time to you, before someone jumped in to save the old man, but you were probably somewhat in that state of hyper-awareness, where time slows down, and you seem to be able to consider all of the options, watch all of the actions, before coming to what is the best decision.
In reality, it takes no more time than normal.
I’ve experienced this, just before a horrific car accident, so I know it first-hand.
You did the right thing.
Stop worrying.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
segue,
Thanks again. To clarify, I don’t actually worry. In fact the matter only ever crosses my mind when I relate the tale, or something reminds me of it. I’ve worst things than that to be ashamed of in my life, but I’m not one to cart guilt baggage around with me anyway. What’s the point? Learning from your past mistakes is the only logical procedure.
I’m only really saying that the line between prudence and cowardice may be very fine, and perhaps one may not be sure of it, even within one’s self. This theme was explored in the magnificent film ‘The Four Feathers’ (Korda version). It is also embedded in the British historical consciousness by the case of Admiral John Byng, who was ordered to in with a weak naval force to make an attack that neither he nor his superiors realised was utterly suicidal until he was able to assess the situation visually. He withdrew to preserve his force until reinforced (he requested re-inforcements) or to engage a more equal force. He was tried for cowardice, found guilty and executed by firing squad on the quarter deck, thus giving rise to Voltaire’s famous saying “pour encourager les autres”. A shameful episode, and recognised as such at the time.
“Oddly enough your diplomatic friends agreed with my assessment.”
Not so odd, really. I was really interested in how the perceived typical British career diplomat was portrayed in ‘The Last King of Scotland’. As a detatched cynic trying to gain possession of information and facts of value to his country, in this case by an ill-judged attempt to recruit a thundering young idealist. And later by using that same idealist’s safety and life as a bargaining pawn. And finally by abandoning the idealist to his fate as unworthy of official help.
Our considerable involvement and personal friendship with admittedly only two middle-ranking diplomats in Turkey partially supports and partially denies that picture. One task of all diplomats is to find and analayse what is going on in their ‘domain’, as it affects their own country. This covers all aspects: commercial, military, political, public opinion, etc., etc. They are the ‘ears to the ground’ and probably (I have no evidence of this) liase with, and perhaps recruit, more ‘shadowy’ sources. However, an equally important role for them is, or should be, the representation and protection of their own citizens in the host country, even when those citizens have done something criminal or stupid. The two we knew would never, ever, have abandoned a Briton in trouble to his/her fate, no matter how he/she reacted to them, or what their personal opinion was of him/her. Ultimately it is only possible for diplomats to advise, recommend and intercede. They cannot force a Briton to take a wise decision if he/she is determined not to. But that is a case of the citizen abandoning the diplomat, not vice-versa.
Ian, our great friend who commented on my case in question, was in fact an honorary vice-consul and a businessman on the Levant. He was born in Turkey of British parents, and had dual nationality. Although he looked and lived the part of the humorous, laid-back colonial, drinks on the verandah, and all that, he knew Turkey and the Turks inside out, as indeed he should, and knew how any situation should be handled or avoided.
When facing some aggressive animals, one should submit and back away. With others you must face up. If you retreat, it will embolden them and they will attack. Turks are like that, and I had the good fortune to divine it instinctively from the start. Even when quite alone, I often got out of minor or possibly dangerous problems with rough bunches who started demanding money, etc. by standing tall and letting them have a good, loud mouthful of Anglo-Saxon. We may not have understood one another, but they got the message and left me peace.
And you are right about the Turks handling things their own way. A German archeological prof. and three students on their first visit had been camped overnight by the wayside. They were found face down, dead, shot through the back of the neck next morning. A few kilometres down the road the police found a couple of peasant hunters strung up by the roadside. The story emerged. The peasants had wandered up to Germans out of mere curiosity. They saw all their cameras and valuables and started to become aggressive, eventually pointing their guns and telling the Germans to lie face down. Following the rule of it being better to lose your possessions than your life, they obeyed. They lost their possessions and their lives. Villagers had found the bodies. They had no trouble finding the killers either, who, without any plan, had not attempted to hide or run away, but were merely sitting down, nonchalently counting their gains. The peasants lynched them on the spot. We have no shortage of other stories, some funny, some not nearly so. That was about 40 years ago. Things must cerainly have changed to a degree since.
My companion got to know the other diplomat, a short, dapper Turkish-Cypriot consular official at the British Embassy in Ankara while I had to go home for a few months to process our work. They kept company for a while, and my friend got involved in such official business as identifying the not very fresh corpse of a lone young British climber who had fallen in the Kurdish Taurus a fortnight or so before.
They also had to travel to a remote east Turkish prison to help a Briton in jail there who had been travelling through on his way to Iran. Two young Turkish boys had been playing chicken, and his was the misfortune to kill the winner. One never moved, the other dashed out straight under his wheels. His case was due up. The child’s family was demanding what in today’s money would be about $10,000 U.S. to drop it. My friends told him to pay up and get the hell out of the country at the nearest border poste haste. He said no, he was innocent, and would stay and fight the case. He took a lot of persuading, but eventually was after they related accounts of three known cases of foreigners who were innocent victims of similar lethal accidents, and who were now all languishing in Turkish jails for periods of between 10-15 years. Even so, they had to curse and bully and browbeat the fellow before he finally saw reason and realised he was not under the British judicial system.
So you see, diplomats often a great and difficult job, and our two knew their local onions right down to the root tips.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
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…So you see, diplomats often a great and difficult job, and our two knew their local onions right down to the root tips.
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I have *never* envied the life of the professional diplomat. I’ve had brief encounters with one or two, not to the degree you did, thank God, but enough to tell me that the Hollywood version of the suave man in black tie, cigarette in one hand, martini in the other, surrounded by blondes and cads with guns, was a tale out of Hitchcock (“The Man Who Knew Too Much”, for one, who actually knew nothing. Quite the joke.)
July 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
segue,
Much more Graham Greene creations, I think.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Ah, yes!
July 11th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
segue,
I just had a thought and read through my long account above.
I was right. I’m horrified by the picture of the Turks I seem to have painted by default and as though racially superior, making them appear almost like animals in my view. In no way does that represent either my overall experience or my assessment of the country and people. We have (or rather had) lovely, sophisticated fun-loving Turkish friends, and have received the utmost kindness from country folks in passing. Inevitably there are national trends, as for any country, and the usual bad apples in the barrel. A Turkish tendency is to be very pro-active towards visitors in both good and bad ways. But to have done the equivalent of describing a number of muggings and bad experiences in our own counrties as though typical of them was unforgiveable. I’m only relieved I noticed it and can correct the impression here.
July 11th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
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…I’m horrified by the picture of the Turks I seem to have painted by default…I’m only relieved I noticed it and can correct the impression here.
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Sometimes, I think, in describing a throughly nasty experience from a fairly young age, it’s the “nasty” part that continues to stand out in relating the story.
For you to have realized the impression you left, and corrected it, was a very proper, very good, thing to do.
Thank you for the clarification.
and btw, why the sudden addition of the “j” at the end of works?
July 11th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Spanner in the works
Segue
Not to repeat myself, but I TOLD you that you two would have fun here.
How do you y’all type so much so fast? My keyboarding skills stink.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
Vera,
I answered your question then blew it away before posting or copying. So much for my keyboard skills!
segue,
I wanted to give you a reference to a recent off-centre reference of my own to the extra ‘j’. It is one of the latest postings in ‘Your View: Does God Exist’. I’ve tried on five occasions to home in on that today and only succeeded twice. So the answer to ‘Does God Exist’ appears to be be “Sometimes”! If I were superstitious I might also be getting jittery now about divine intervention! (Oh, What did I do, what did I say?)
Anyway, I’m too shattered tonight, so I’ll come back tomorrow in the hope that the celestial reconnection has been attended to and I can give your the number of the posting. As I remember, it’s at least past 1110, and addresses evolution.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:45 am
What about “Cocaine (We’re All Going to Hell)” by Strata? Or “This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I’m On This Song” by System of a Down? Both good songs.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:36 am
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I’ve been thinking about you all morning! Really!
I admire good math teachers in a way that borders on devotion. I’m sure that’s due, in part, to my selective math abilities, and partly due to my sons math teachers.
My kids went to grammar schools and middle schools for the highly gifted. I told them they could all ( all 3, with a 2 year 10 month total spread!) choose their own high school, but I set the parameters.
Of course they all chose different schools!
My son chose a school which gave him the opportunity to leave high school at a Uni sophomore or first semester Junior level, which I thought was a good choice.
His Math teacher immediately noticed how far ahead of the class he was, and how, when she gave an assignment, how much further on he would go.
So, he’d get bored in class.
She, being wise, arranged to have him teach the class 2 or 3 times a month.
I thought you, being a math teacher, might enjoy this true-life tale.
Although he started Uni as a Pure Math Major, he is the one with the MFA in Writing and Lit. (both American and European)
July 12th, 2008 at 9:18 am
segue,
God will still have nothing to do with me (and who could blame Her?). I’ve tried in vain a couple of times to contact the jfrater direct e-mail: the server rejects and asks me for information I don’t understand. In desperation I’ve gatecrashed the latest list and asked Jamie to contact me directly, if he isn’t too overwhelmed by basic admin. We’ll see what happens. Watch this space.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
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I e-mailed Jamie directly also, because I can’t get onto the “Does God Exist” list either.
Kind of weird.
I’d been meaning to go to that list for some time, just afraid to, frankly.
Not afraid of God. Afraid one poster might have taken it over…held it hostage.
That’s silly. Like being afraid of the boggie-man.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
segue,
Thanks for letting me know. I wasn’t sure whether it might be a general problem or a regional one related to where we live.
Perhaps it’s quite surprising that opinion list hasn’t gone the way of another we wot of too. But at least we can rest assured a firm hand will be applied by Big Brother (JOKE) if it is.
I had a hint about the dysfunctioning elsewhere. Sounds like it’s being seen to.
July 13th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
segue,
God is in His Heaven again and all is well with the world.
Here is what I wanted to copy for you:
“If you look at my heading, you will see that I have accidentally programmed a ‘j’ into my nickname that I cannot get rid of. That is a random mutation that is (at present) slightly more of a nuisance than an aid. But it doesn’t basically change Spanner in the works to a different species … yet. You still know its me. however, if something went wrong with my computer and it kept on making random additions, we might eventually end up with Spanner in the worksjustmypennamemyrealnameis….. (it might also by random chance feed in the right spaces, but I feel that would be asking a lot of it). Then you would have at least a subspecies. In fact Spanner in the works would technically then become the subspecies and my real name the species from which it evolved. But you will notice there is a long sequence of those random letters where you are moving towards a distinct change from Spanner, but haven’t got there, and in fact may never do so. A lot of natural mutations fail, and in fact they only usually succeed if they perform a useful service to the organism a every stage, although harmless variations (such as random colour variations in flowers) are often retained and may develop into something really useful for the plant if a new pollinator comes along and responds to them. That could then trigger off a whole new line of adaptive evolution.”
Actually the ‘j’ is the first letter of our e-mail code, which the system sets up, and which got left behind in the mistaken wrong place instead of being eliminated one time. I didn’t notice it before I posted, and it stuck. I can’t get rid of it. So it’s a case of me, ‘warts and all’ now.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pm
The most notable omission has to be Cocaine by Eric Clapton. The Stone’s song that refers to cocaine eyes is “Cant you hear me knockin”.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
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…That is a random mutation that is (at present) slightly more of a nuisance than an aid. But it doesn’t basically change Spanner in the works to a different species … yet…
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I suppose it’s a good thing we already like you, warts and all!
**A question: Is the j there only on listverse, or everywhere?**
This will make a great story to tell my husband, Jack, who is a P.C. guy, while I am a loyal Apple’er…Applette?… started on one in ‘82 and just stayed. Have a Desktop and a laptop at the moment. I have to assume, if you can’t correct such a small problem, you have to be on a P.C..
Yea? Nay?
As I read your explanation, though, a lovely thing happened, I began to weave a story in my head. It’s one that had begun several nights ago while dreaming, and now your post added the needed push to put me into the strange and “other” place I need to be to write this tale.
Adaptive evolution is something I know a bit about. It’s one of my favorite sciences to read up on…a complete list would leave you snoring…but if computers became truly an adaptive species, not like HAL in 2001, who was programmed in such a way that his “take-over was inevitable, but computers which had a bio-technic basis, and so could “grow” and adapt to its environment, well, all sorts of things could happen.
I’m not explaining it well on purpose (writers are stingy that way). I’m sure you get my drift, though.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
segue,
Quite right too. Anita and I are also paranoid about keeping our scientific work under wraps before it’s been published, and I do the same with any creative idea I think might be useful once I start my literary career (planned for when I break 80). Can’t be too careful. As they used to say during the war “Walls have ears”. Being a very literal-minded child, I couldn’t figure that one out, because I’d heard of wall-eyed, but never wall-eared! I also had to grow up to make head or tail of the road sign ‘Halt at major road ahead’. Who was this Major Road? Why did I never see him? and why should I halt for him? And that was just one variation/interpretation I put on it.
I cannot go into descriptive detail here, but the source detail for my ‘j-mutant Spanner’ is Richard Dawkins’s ‘The Blind Watchmaker’. (In combination, those are three very blasphemous words to use in the presence of many conventionally religious folks.) Have you read it? If you have, return to p.158 and the few pages preceding it. If you haven’t, get it, and read the same relevant bit, because it’s about the possibility of silcon-based life (computers) displacing its carbon-based creators (us) in an imaginary future. If you haven’t read any Dawkins, I recommend you read at least this work. Two other absolute essentials are ‘A Short History of Nearly Everything’ by Bill Bryson, and Ed (E.O.) Wilson’s ‘The Diversity of Life’. These books are absolutely seminal for me.
The ‘j’ got added as follows. Originally, Jamie’s box on the computer screen asked me for a pen name, which I typed in, Spanner, etc. It then moved down to the other box below, which requested the e-mail which I also began typing in. As soon as I had typed in the first letter, j, the computer rang up our three e-mail codes beginning with ‘j’ as options. From then on, every time I post, I have only to type ‘S’ in the top box, and Spanner, etc., will be filled in automatically. Next, I move down to the e-mail, type ‘j’ and up comes the code selection. I click in the correct one. However, the cursor occasionally stays at the end of the Spanner name (i.e., I neglect to move it), and the ‘j’ gets typed in there. Until the one time, I always noticed, wiped it and typed it anew in the proper box. One time I didn’t, must have left it and also typed in a second ‘j’. Once fixed, I couldn’t get rid of the unwanted intruder whatever I did. It must be part of the jfrater server system, since it is impervious to any orders from me, and doesn’t affect anything else in our system. Hope all that makes sense!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pm
Apropos,
God has gone on the blink again.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
274. Spanner in the worksj, of course I’ve read Richard Dawkins’s ‘The Blind Watchmaker’, but somehow my copy ( a first edition!) has gone astray. I am going to replace it posthaste. It’s easy to check on any book in my library, as it is totally arranged alphabetically by author, and sub-alphabetically by title when (as is usual) I have several books by one author…I may have have some by you…
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Two other absolute essentials are ‘A Short History of Nearly Everything’ by Bill Bryson, and Ed (E.O.) Wilson’s ‘The Diversity of Life’. These books are absolutely seminal for me.
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I have read the E.O. Wilson, and others by him, but nothing by Bryson, whose works I will order from Amazon or Abe tomorrow.
I am nearly out of shelf space, but I can be creative when I have to be, and books on the arts and sciences always find space somehow, as do my camera and art equipment, the things which keep me sane (or, at least, as sane as I can be).
**btw** If you email jfrater directly, he can almost certainly remove the “j” for you, since it affects only listverse. If you don’t have his direct email, let me know and I’ll do it for you.
July 13th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
segue,
Thanks for the reply. I could hardly believe you wouldn’t have read Dawkins, at least. Ed Wilson’s ant books are as entertaining as his general ones. It’s his specialised line of study, as I’m sure you know. I’ve already recommended ‘Nabokov’s Blues’. Another that kept me enthralled was ‘The Song of the Dodo’ by David Quammen.
My humiliatingly failed attempt to contact jfr, was based on the email contacts he leaves on ‘Ways to help Listverse’.
I was actually trying to tell or ask about the God list. The ‘j’ glitch is scarcely enough to bother him with. He must be up to his neck in admin., poor, wee thing. I was also working on a couple of list ideas, and wrote a word or two to him about these and another idea, but managed to wipe the lot. (Not having learned the oft-repeated lesson to always copy text.)
July 14th, 2008 at 8:59 am
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277. Spanner in the worksj -
I’ve already recommended ‘Nabokov’s Blues’. Another that kept me enthralled was ‘The Song of the Dodo’ by David Quammen.
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WOW!
I didn’t mention David Quammenn to you because, though he is one of my very favorite science writers, I didn’t think he might be “serious enough” for you.
I have his “Flight of the Iguana”, “Monster of God” and “Natural Acts”. I’ll have to put “Song of the Dodo” on my ever expanding list of books to purchase.
Re: contacting jfrater…I take it you haven’t joined Forums?
We’ve had 4 power failure already this a.m. so I have no idea how long I’ll have the luxury of being online. I’ll try to help.
July 14th, 2008 at 11:39 pm
segue,
Thanks for the other Quammens. I’ll add them to MY list. See a response to your kind help with my ‘j’ bird over on the kid’s films site, I think. No I’ve not done the Forums thing yet. I won’t look into that tonight, I’m too tired after our day on the tiles (well nosed to the grindstone is more the truth). I need to make an urgent contact as I just thought up three more list possibilities while on the public transport in town earlier!
I’m going to copy this and try to shuck off the ‘j’.
July 14th, 2008 at 11:41 pm
Done it. It was so easy. What was my problem first time round. Am I a dill or something? Don’t answer that.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:56 am
278,
Anyone who writes honestly about these matters is serious enough for me. Modern science and technology is so complex and highly specialised that if is it isn’t reduced to easily readable digestiblity (and I don’t necessarily mean Reader’s Digestibility) and leavened with general interest and even perhaps a bit of humour, it ends up as geek writing or talking to geek. And I don’t mean any old geek. The geek has to be so much part of your own speciality that it’s like looking into a mirror. Happily, the geeks in our line are also really fun and rounded human beings, or else I think writing scientific papers would reduce me to clinical depression. Bryson, by the way, is wonderful at putting stuff over in a style that’s as light as one of my dear old late Mum’s sponge cakes. (You have to add ‘cakes’
these days, or everyone thinks it’s the squarepants thing.)
July 15th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
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Anyone who writes honestly about these matters is serious enough for me.
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Jared Diamond is a personal hero of mine, for just that reason.
The first book of his I read was “The Third Chimpanzee”, and I read it half to death. It even had some hot chocolate spots on the inside title page. After reading that, I read everything by him.
He’s one of those brilliant people, totally excited by their chosen profession, who refuse to assume their readers are idiots just because they might not have the same background in the subject. So his books are literate and enjoyable.
He teaches at UCLA, and I attended a Writers fair at which he was participating. I took my mound of books for him to sign, which he was excited to do, and when he came across the well thumbed, soft-paged from use, cocoa spotted “Third Chimpanzee”, his eyes lit up like spot lights and he *insisted* on signing across the spots!
Hows that for a great guy?
July 17th, 2008 at 12:20 am
segue,
Sorry, I’m overdue on a response here. Trouble is I’m getting stretched, and once we get stuck into our work properly, it’s going to get worse. Staying out of the three latest lists has helped, but I’ve been getting a bit more feedback in general too, so that’s rather cancelled it out.
Funny how someone can become emblematic without one actually having read any of their works, but only read ABOUT them. That’s how Jared Diamond is with me. His first name always grabbed me, because it was used in a more modern sci-fi radio adaptation of H.G.Wells’s ‘The Time Machine’, where the eponymous man finds Wellsian adventures with a very attractive, savvy, sexy late 20th C lady. I can’t remember any detail, but know I enjoyed it at the time.
What a delightful personal contact story of you and Diamond. When I can, I will now go out of my way to make up for my lapse. Thanks again.
Ah, nearly forgot. I was reminded of something I posted, probably for Jamie’s eyes, though I have divined he must be too busy with admin. and latest lists to manage anything else these days, poor guy. It was either on the Evolution or Global Warming site (yes, almost sure it was the latter.) He questioned how a layman could keep up and decide between differing ‘expert’ opinions. I offered some ideas, for what they are worth, including how to test information on offer, and finding trustworthy and reliable authors to believe. As a codicil to that, I suggested that once you have found a core credible and creditable author, you may also trust his or her sources, and those he or she admires. Jared Diamond makes a perfect illustration of that for me.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Hmmm, looks like my ‘merican homies have forgotten that Congress decided to play power-grab in the early 20th century by outlawing citizens’ right to decide what substances could be consumed by an individual. Unfortunately, that proved to work just fine. The power structure has used the tactic to demonize and control various segments of society.
Propaganda is very powerful stuff, kids! I daresay that quite a few posters have had a hard time resisting its seductive charm…
July 24th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
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284. CatGrampy
…Congress decided to play power-grab in the early 20th century by outlawing citizens’ right to decide what substances could be consumed by an individual. Unfortunately, that proved to work just fine…
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Fortunately, that proved to work very poorly, indeed. Which is why they undid what they did.
What is unfortunate is that Congress seems to decide the legality or illegality of a substance based on the amount of money in a lobbyist’s pocket.
Who pays the lobbyist?
Big money interests.
Who has this big money?
Tobacco.
Liquor.
NRA.
Billy Graham, et al.
July 26th, 2008 at 9:35 am
My Michelle is about Heroin, not Cocaine. You even listed some of the lyrics involving Heroin.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Here are two good ones
“Lua” by Bright Eyes
http://www.myspace.com/brighteyes
“iNeed better friends” by The Jing Bang Show
http://www.jingbangshow.com
August 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
Not sure if this qualifies – Master of Puppets by Metallica.
“Needlework the way, never you betray
life of death becoming clearer
Pain monopoly, ritual misery
chop your breakfast on a mirror
Taste me you will see
more is all you need
you’re dedicated to
how I’m killing you”
August 19th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Feel Good Hit Of The Summer – Queens Of The Stone Age.
Nicotine, valium, vicodine, marijuana, ecstacy and alcohol.
co-co-co-co-co-cocaine.
August 22nd, 2008 at 7:35 am
Hey, not sick enuff! How about a Top 10 to celebrate Lady Princess Dianas Death? 1) Roll on down the highway – Bachman Turner Overdrive 2) Crawlin from the Wreckage – Dave Edmunds, 3) Saturday Night Killing an Arab – The Cure 4) I can see paradise by the dashboard light – Meatloaf 5) come on help me out………
September 8th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
No Snowblind. This list = fail.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
bananas and blow!
now i’m locked inside a stall in the cantina
liking the bananas and the cocaine off the mirror
January 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
what? no Queens of the Stone Age with their ‘Feel Good Hit of the Summer’? =P
January 29th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
dylans cocaine blues was a davy graham song
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:01 am
no reggae songs in list?
i think most songs bout coke are reggae tunez.
there hundreds of them…
most of m a bit obscure i admit.
but no mention of dillingers cocaine?
thats just wrong..
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
GOT COCAINE RUNNIN AROUND MY BRAIN….
February 25th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Aww, no Snowblind, that’s disappointing. Especially when you consider that when they played it live Ozzy had a tendency to just scream out “cocaine” at random times during the verses.
Never the most subtle band were they Black Sabbath?
March 7th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
I love them even more than I already did
March 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am
How about “White Line Fever” by the Flying Burrito Brothers? Not their best tune but definitely makes some references to the drug.
May 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
I LOVE THIS FRIGGEN LIST WHY!?!? CAUSE I LOVE BLOW! TITS, whatever you wanna call em… I love COCAINE!
June 5th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
No Snowblind? Damn.
Also, this should have been on there.
June 12th, 2009 at 5:37 am
@Anna (301): I know! I feel ripped off. The Reunion version even has Ozzy yelling “cocaine” in the verses
June 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
yum
July 11th, 2009 at 6:33 am
a wonderful list. what a wonderful drug cocaine is.
it’s already been said, but bright eyes’ “lua” is another wonderful one. i like the ones that capture all the aspects of what the drug is, and “lua” does it.
also something new but that is classic is “consoler of the lonely” by “the raconteurs” -
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haven’t seen the sun in weeks; my skin is getting pale; haven’t got a mind left to speak & i’m skinny as a rail;
light bulbs are getting dim; my interest is starting to wane; i’m told “it’s everything a man could want” & i shouldn’t complain;
conversation’s getting dull; there’s a constant buzzing in my ears; sense of humor’s void & null & i’m bored to tears
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a lot of the best cocaine songs aren’t on this list most likely because it wasn’t made by someone who uses cocaine the way us rock stars do. that is, the best ones don’t have the word “cocaine” in them unless it’s a bizarre coincidence.
josie
September 1st, 2009 at 2:46 pm
what abaout Song For Clay by Bloc Party???
September 4th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
just watch the last waltz with a gram and have fun people
September 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
What about Husker Du’s “Pink Turns To Blue”?
September 16th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
a cocaine song : “the shop around the corner”
http://www.fairtrade-music.com/mp3/thefuckinjunkyrabbit/8-the-shop-around-the-corner.mp3
October 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
There are enough cocaine songs to make a top 10? Does anyone else find this worrying?
October 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
@Rowena (309):
No, because cocaine is AWESOME! Seriously, fucking awesome. It honestly makes you feel like you are Superman.
P.S. C.I.A. by American Sneakers should get a special mention on this list.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
klymaxx – meeting in the ladies room — A FAVORITE!
Sia – I’m just the girl who lost her cocaine – good too.
Cocaine Habit – Old Crow Medicine Show
grandmaster flash – white lines
snowblind
clapton – cocaine
johnny cash – cocaine blues
laid back – white horse
That Smell – Lynyrd Skynyrd
Feel Good Hit of the Summer – Queens of the Stone Age
Draggin’ The Line – Tommy James & The Shondells
“Mr. Brownstone” – Guns N’ Roses
Alexisonfire – White Devil.
Yellowcard-Powder
Grateful dead- Truckin
Grateful dead- Casey Jones
Cocaine by Jackson Brown
white line fever” by motorhead
Cocaine – Tex Perkins
The Game – cocaine
project pat cocaine
1. Cocaine – JJ Cale
2. Prangin’ Out (Pete and Mike’s Version) – The Streets
3. Night of the Living Baseheads – Public Enemy
4. Cocaine – Jackson Browne
5. Snowblind – Black Sabbath
6. This Cocaine Makes Me Feel Like I’m on This Song – System of a Down
7. Psycho – SOAD
8. Truckin’ – Grateful Dead
9. That Smell – Lynyrd Skynyrd
10. Lit Up – Buckcherry
11. White Lines – Grandmaster Flash
12. Draggin’ The Line – Tommy James & The Shondells
13. Life in the Fastlane – The Eagles
14. Feel Good Hit of the Summer – Queens of the Stone Age
15. Save Me – Shinedown
16. Twist of Cain – Danzig
17. Gold Dust Woman – Fleetwood Mac
18. Junkhead – Alice in Chains
19. Master of Puppets – Metallica
20. What a Waster – The Libertines
21. Cocaine Habit – Old Crow Medicine Show
22. Morning Glory – Oasis
23. Powder – Yellowcard
“A Man convinced against his will is of the same opinion.”
In other words, suck it.
November 11th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
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IF YOU DON’T LIKE THE LIST, DON’T READ IT.
YOU ARE NOT AN INTERNET SUPER HERO.
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November 17th, 2009 at 11:43 am
You should add Snow by Red Hot Chilly Peppers to the list. The song is about Anthony Kiedis’s addiction to cocain and heroin. “So white as snow… Privately divided by a world so undecided” is the dividing of the coke in half for it to be snorted.