Top 10 Kids Movies That Adults Will Love
- Published July 9, 2008 - 265 Comments
These are films that I consider were made for specifically for kids or families to enjoy. Many kids films are so juvenile or poorly executed that it’s a real joy to find some that can be on an adults list of must-sees. I’ve left off some real obvious ones, like Wizard of Oz, because it’s so well-regarded already. Also, films like “Spirited Away,” while a great film, and many may argue that it is for kids, is a little inaccessible for the smaller ones. As usual, tell us your favorites in the comments.
The first of several Pixar films on this list. This is an amazing film with themes that soar over the heads of little ones. It’s almost Chaplinesque in style, and has already been compared to Chaplin’s classic “Modern Times.” Extremely intelligent, funny, touching and with a message that is worth heeding. Great music too. What other kid’s movie would feature Louis Armstrong’s version of Le Vie En Rose?
Absolutely sublime and hilarious. This smart Brit stop-motion feature stars the great clay duo made famous in several shorts, and adds a crew of memorable characters. The transformation scene itself is worth the price of admission. And look for the funny little winks throughout like a jar of “Middle-Aged Spread” or the cleverly place box with the label “May contain nuts.” Bang, zoom, right over kids heads and into the laps of adults.
This little seen gem was written and directed by Brad Bird, the genius who later joined Pixar and created The Incredibles and Ratatouille (see later on list). It’s traditional cell animation, with some CG enhancements, but that’s not what makes this a classic. The story is kind of a nod to E.T. (extraterrestrial stranded on earth, befriends young boy), but it’s told with such unique wit and heart, you can’t help but love it for it’s own outstanding merits. And the retro ’50s style and be-bop soundtrack are right on spot.
The original was completely original. It didn’t have to resort to making Kermit a character other than himself. The genius hand of Jim Henson is all over this, and the hilarious cameos, like Steve Martin, Carl Reiner and Big Bird are great. It’s fun, funny and a real classic for kids and adults.
Another great Pixar entry, from the mind of Brad Bird. These guys are master story tellers, and never resort to winks about pop culture or smarmy asides to make their films connect with audiences. This is a beautiful film, Paris is perfectly rendered, and the food is mouth-watering, even if it is prepared by a rat. Only Pixar could do that. Very little ones might get bored, but for the ‘tweens and adults with heart, this is a must see/must own.
A fun Disney film, one that Disney seems to have forgotten. Robert Zemekis created an incredibly fun world where toons co-exist with humans. The opening cartoon is a hoot, especially for anyone that loves the mayhem of classic Tex Avery cartoons. Kids will think Roger is hilarious, and adults will love the double entendres and Jessica’s assets. Patty-Cake anyone?
Connery before Bond. Live action Disney at it’s finest. Sure, Mary Poppins was great and The Absent-Minded Professor is a classic, but this one is just a real joy. Never silly, always full of whimsy. Kids will love the bouncy fun, adults get to relive childhood. And the effects are pretty darn good for the time.
If you don’t love Spongebob, take your pulse, because you’re probably dead. He’s one of the best cartoon characters to be created since Bugs Bunny. Continually funny and outlandish. And Patrick is the perfect idiot to accompany him. This is an incredibly hilarious movie for everyone. I dare you not to sing the “Goofy Goober” song after it’s over.
It’s a superhero movie. It’s a dysfunctional family movie. It’s a mid-life crisis movie. It’s all these things and it’s an absolute joy. Mr. Incredible’s desire to regain his glory is so heartfelt that every guy in the theater will think of their own past success with a tear. Every character is perfectly realized. It’s funny and thrilling but with a really big heart in the middle of it. Kudos to Brad Bird and Pixar again. Watch for the winks to the Incredible’s sex life…
One of the most memorable and wonderful family films ever. Christmas, Halloween, Tim Burton, how can it miss? The soundtrack from Danny Elfman is amazing, with witty, beautiful tunes and lyrics. Jack is perfectly realized as the “town hero” who seeks more in his life (or death, as it may be), a place we all find ourselves time to time. Sally is lovelorn and pines for Jack to not only love her, but just notice her. Incredibly animated by Henry Selick, based on Tim Burton’s original story, NBX has become a cult classic that Disney often sweeps under the carpet in place of pushing their more mainstream offerings. Too bad. This one is a true masterpiece.
Notable Omissions: Shrek, Little Manhattan, Snow White, The Love Bug, Watership Down, The Borrowers
Contributor: SteveD












July 9th, 2008 at 3:08 am
Yay for The Nightmare Before Christmas!
and I just saw Wall-E yesterday!
but what about Kung Fu Panda?
lol
July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 am
The only one I haven’t seen is Darby O’Gill and the Little People. sounds……interesting. My favourite kids type movie would have to be school of rock.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:23 am
I also agree about Kung Fu Panda!!!
Wall-E is so the next movie I am going to see.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:25 am
XD I started screaming “Yesss! Yesss!” when I saw that Nightmare was number 1. I’m 15, and it’s been my favorite movie since I first saw it 2 years ago.
And yeah, Kung Fu Panda was great! All of my (dare I say, mature) teenage friends & I loved it.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:30 am
I would have said that The Iron Giant was written by Ted Hughes rather than Brad Bird, its based on his novel The Iron Man. Though I suppose Brad Bird may have done the screenplay.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:36 am
nice list, I was personally disappointed not to see The Lion King, Aladdin or Labyrinth in there… but I guess you can’t have all such movies listed on here
July 9th, 2008 at 3:42 am
Wall-E just came out a couple of days ago, how can it even qualify? Who Framed Roger Rabbit isn’t even technically a kids movie it’s a novel adaptation.
My God! Whatever happened to E.T. or something at least remotely redeeming like The Sound of Music? You uncultured little brats! Sing sometime instead of bobbing your head to the latest Fallout Boy and praying that your Wii fit will actually work and take off your Micky Dees supersized thighs!!!!!!!!!!
Can’t…. Breathe….. Choking on….. Whole sale….. Pop…. Culture…… gasp….. Refuse……
July 9th, 2008 at 3:46 am
I also agree Labyrinth should be on here as well.
And if we’re adding Disney movies what about Beauty and the Beast?!
July 9th, 2008 at 3:53 am
oh, and Willie Wonka/Charlie and the Chocolate Factory (I personally liked them both)
July 9th, 2008 at 4:06 am
The goonies. Or the Dark Crystal. come on!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:40 am
Wonderful list! Cartoons are pretty much all I watch. They’re the only things that are happy on tv. Even when I’m 80yrs old, I’ll still be watching them!
July 9th, 2008 at 4:50 am
I’m soo happy to see Nightmare before Christmas at number one! Where’s Finding Nemo…?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:51 am
…and Toy Story?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:58 am
The newer Disney pictures would be a notable omission – Beauty and The Beast is my favorite. C’mon Angela Lansbury, Jerry Orbach and David Ogden Stiers. How could it be much better?
Also I have a fondness for Monsters Inc. Hilarious, and the animation is amazing. The fur looks so real.
Good list though, I’ve only missed a couple of ‘em. Nightmare before Christmas is stunning.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:04 am
I agree where is finding nemo!?!? I would much rather watch Finding Nemo to The Nightmare Before Christmas, as would a lot of people
July 9th, 2008 at 5:05 am
Ah yes, my kind of list. As a mom, finding movies that appeal to me AND my children isn’t always easy. I’ve found Disney classics and recent Pixar movies fit the bill. I have seen every movie on this list except Wall-E and love most of them. Great idea for a list and well executed SteveD.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Finding Nemo one of the best movies I’ve ever seen (cartoon or other!).
Of course, seeing as how my son (my first born) was born around the same time, may have something to do with my love for that masterpiece.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:09 am
I thought that the Nightmare Before Christmas was actually pretty disturbing with how everything looked.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:15 am
Roger Rabbit had some terrifying villians though. That movie gave me nightmares. I’d like to see Wallace and Gromit higher, and Ratatouille should be #1.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:17 am
I prefer 2D animations rather than the new pixar movies that seem too come out every week -er- no day. But I wont say their bad movies, infact I like some of them and will probably try to see Wall-e.
Tim Burton is a legend, I’d prefer his movie to Finding Nemo which I think is slightly overrated…
July 9th, 2008 at 5:19 am
Crimanon: Just because it’s not a classic movie doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be on the list.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:20 am
I must be one of the dead people roaming the internet then ‘cos I cannot stand Spongebob
Wall-E is a movie I would quite like to see though. And I love Wallace & Gromit!
July 9th, 2008 at 5:35 am
WTF where is Finding Nemo?!
July 9th, 2008 at 5:38 am
Having been through three kids in the early Nineties and having to keep them entertained, I must say Disney’s golden age was a godsend for me. The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Beauty and the Beast and the Lion King were great movies. I’d put Mulan in there too but only because Eddie Murphy was hilarious in that. Beauty was even nominated for best picture. Trust me, after suffering through some really horrid movies on video, it was really great to be able to enjoy a movie made for kids and I didn’t really mind having to watch it a million times when they came out on video. I’d also second the Toy Story nomination mentioned above.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:48 am
I love all of the movies on this list- at least the ones that I have seen
The Incredibles and Ratatouille are terrific movies, but I also love Finding Nemo and I think that it deserves a spot on the list. Maybe it’s because I’m an aussie citizen, but it’s probably my favourite Pixar movie. I also really want to see Wall-e but it doesn’t come out here in Sweden until september, which is a bore.
Anyway, Who framed Roger Rabbit is really fun, and so is the Muppet movie and Wallace and Gromit! (although I really prefer the shorties- the one with the pants and the penguin is great) I never like Spongebob Squarepants though. It might be because I only ever saw one part of an episode while browsing the channels, and it was a really odd one where he turned into a snail which said meow.
yeaa so I never really watched it after that, haha
July 9th, 2008 at 6:00 am
Great list, but I don’t think Carl Reiner appears in the Muppet Movie.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:00 am
Thank you for having The Nightmare Before Christmas number 1!! It’s one of my all time favorite movies. Also Who Framed Roger Rabbit was one of my favorite movies as a kid and I LOVE LOVE The Iron Giant. I think the Iron Giant is highly underrated…I don’t know a lot of people who’ve seen it but it’s a fantastic movie.
Plus uhh…I hate Spongebob…
July 9th, 2008 at 6:09 am
First of all, nice list, but you fail to mention Finding Nemo? Unforgivable.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:15 am
No Toy Story I or II, both of those are classics. Great story, great adventure and funny. Some adults thing II is better than one.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:16 am
#3, #7, and #9 shouldn’t be on this list in my opinion…I mean seriously…spongebob? Most kids over 8 hate spongebob let alone all the adults that despise him (her?)! I thought #7 was really boring but maybe that’s just me. And I turned off #9 about 15 minutes in but maybe I just don’t get british humor or something because it was really dull…however #2, #6, #8, and #10 really earned their place on this list. Glad to see Wall-E up there. But what about Finding Nemo?
July 9th, 2008 at 6:18 am
And like frank said…what about Toy Story? Then again if it were up to most people this list would be almost nothing but Pixar
July 9th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Personal choices often dictate the content of these lists – but at least people are making good suggestions in the comments. I would have added Sound of Music and a couple of other much older ones if I had written the list – but the ones here are definitely appropriate for a list of this type
July 9th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
Even though you gave Shrek honorable mention, it still should have been on the list.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Now. Several of this films are great for adults because they weren’t made for kids per se. For example, Who Framed Roger Rabbit is rated PG for profanity and cartoon violence. The fact that it had classic cartoon characters doesn’t mean that it was made with kids in mind.
The same thing happens with The Incredibles (also rated PG). Never mind the violence (very unusual for a Pixar release), but, as the list mentions, there are several moments where there is implicit sexual insinuation between Mr. Incredible and Elastigirl. I doubt that kids would get it, but it’s there nevertheless.
And finally (or as far as I know), anyone who knows about Tim Burton knows that his style, genuinely expressed with Nightmare before Christmas, is an anti-thesis of typical “mainstream” Disney films. It’s dark, and has ‘cartoonishly disturbing’ characters and situations. It’s a family film, for sure, but its style was meant to be more thoroughly
enjoyed by adults (at least I know I did).
July 9th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
is this working yet?
July 9th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
alright!!
i would have included a personal favorite “the sandlot”. a story about a kid moving to a new town and trying to make friends and enjoy the game he loves (baseball). the kids love it because they can immediately relate and the adults love it because it reminds them of a simpler time.
i can’t believe no one has said “the princess bride” (although that may be due to the comments being down for several hours)
“nightmare” might be good for the adults, but not so sure that is a kid movie.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
im 14 so i wouldnt quite call myself an adult but im not a kid either. ive never seen #4 but it seems like a good movie. and the rest are really good movies. the nightmare before christmas is actually my favorite movie. i saw wall-e in theaters and it was better than i expected. who framed rodger rabbit is a classic for my family.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Yeah, Finding Nemo Princess Bride & Toy Story!!
Love Spongebob. Don’t know if I could watch a whole movie of him, though.
Can’t stand the Roger Rabbit movie. That’s not a kids’ movie, in my opinion.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Once again – when it comes to movies everyone has favorites – but lets stick to – “That Adults Will Love”
Missing – ICE AGE – I love Manny, Diego, and god bless Sid.
BUT – I agree 100% with the number one choice – I saw NIGHTMARE years ago – and I watch it at least once a year minimum. everyone who isn’t getting this needs to go back and watch it twice. There is so much right about this movie. Art, music, singing, good guys and bad – it truly deserves credit as one of the best animated films of all time!
July 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
The Iron Giant is a fantastic movie! Nightmare wasn’t as good as The Corpse Bride.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:57 pm
I was stunned to not see “The Princess Bride” as the #1
July 9th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Thanks for including Wall-E on this list!! I saw it this weekend and LOVED it- go see it people, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.
I’m with the others that Finding Nemo should have been included. I loved the Labrynth as a kid, but every time I try to make someone watch it that didn’t grow up on it hates it! Oh, and Roger Rabbit scared the be-jesus out of me as a kid… Good list though!
July 9th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
Shrek should have been in the main list.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
@ fresno bob : That’s because The Princess Bride was never billed as a movie specifically for kids, it was adapted from the novel which was a satire on fairy tales (billed as “A Hot Fairy Tale” right on the cover.)
Although I also hold that movie near and dear to my heart.
I love that Nightmare Before Christmas makes this list (and although I have seen Wall-e a lot recently, as well as Ratatouille and The Incredibles; one of those should have not made the list in favor of Finding Nemo, but just my personal opinion along with just about everyone else, it seems like.)
@ marqueemark: I loved The Corpse Bride, but it doesn’t compare to the overall magnificence achieved by Nightmare.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:22 pm
goof_ball: no offense, but 14 is still a kid. enjoy it while you can
July 9th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
I cheered when I saw The Nightmare Before Christmas on the top spot and the Incredibles on second. They are some of my favourite movies (being 16, i can still say that ^^)
And Who Framed Roger Rabbit? is my grandad’s favourite movie ever ^^
July 9th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
I hated the Incredibles, I can agree with a lot of them though. I personally would’ve included Toy Story, Toy Story 2, Finding Nemo, the Emperor’s New Groove, Kung Fu Panda, and the Lion King, but I see you mentioned that you left some off intentionally due to them being so popular already. Nice list, either way
July 9th, 2008 at 3:53 pm
I was loving this this list until I got to #1 Nightmare has become extremely overated-a thing for “goth and emo” teenagers to idolize and wear merchandise for to show how edgy they are
July 9th, 2008 at 4:19 pm
I LOVE Nightmare Before Christmas. I am really glad it was number one. Finding Nemo is okay. I think Roger Rabbit was not so much a kids movie. Rather adult themes in it. I love Iron Giant and Vin Deisel had an excellant voice for it. Muppet Movie brings back sooo many memories. I love the songs. I am not a huge spongebob fan as are others posting here. A lot of the Disney movies have adult humor thrown in. I think it is what makes them so popular with kids and adults. I like that Shrek was in the notable omissions too.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory deserves a spot on the list.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Has anyone else notice how hard it is for a new movie to get a G rating?
July 9th, 2008 at 4:28 pm
although I agree that “NBX” was perfect (I managed to get my dad to take me to the movies to see it when I was 18) I was very disappointed that
“The Lion King”
“The Princess Bride”
“The Bear”
and the
“Land Before Time” (the original)
where not listed here. (I LOVE Littlefoot! but all the spin-offs and sequels sucked petrified dinosaur eggs)
my favorite movie as a child was “Flight of the Navigator” I recently re-saw it on satellite and it seems kinda cheesy now. But I am convinced that this movie is the sole reason I now live in Ft. Lauderdale and have an Australian Shepherd. coincidence?
(I also watched “Honey I Shrunk the Kids’ about 100 times one summer because we had our first VCR and my little brothers loved the movie so much, we watched it just about every day before my mom kicked us outdoors, unsupervised, to “Go Play OUTSIDE!” which usually meant playing in the street. really. back in the 80’s, it was a safe thing to do!)
What I can’t understand is how come Disney no longer seems to be making all those cool live-action, emotion-wrenching, delightful, animal dramas like “Benji the Hunted”, “Never Cry Wolf”, (which, by the way, is a superb book by Farley Mowat), and ‘Old Yeller”(another phenomenal coming-of-age book by Fred Gipson)
Last one I saw was “8 Below” which, I got a “sneak peek” to go to. Okay. Not one of Disney’s greats.
rtr
July 9th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
ringtailroxy: I remember liking The Land Before Time back in the day, too! But I don’t think I would enjoy it as much now as an adult.
Sadly, twelve (yes, FRICKIN TWELVE) sequels later, it has become a forgettable series for people nowadays.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
As long as it’s relevant to the list’s subject, did you know that Disney was accused of promoting sexual promiscuity because of a scene in The Lion King where the letters S E X can supposedly be seen? The animators said that it says SFX, but they took the scene out in future releases. Here’s a screenshot:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lionkg2.jpg
Thus I ask, is nothing innocent anymore?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
When I saw The Nightmare Before Christmas on #1 I was so happy I almost cried. THANK YOU. Finally someone who has got it! It is an awesome movie and it has deserved that first place!
July 9th, 2008 at 5:13 pm
A lot of you seem to be forgetting that these are movies made for kids but seem to strike it more with adults due to well placed comedy. Not Disney movies like Lion King (although good, but no well placed comedy.) Crimanon….Roger Rabbit is a kids movie, I distinctly remember watching it as a child.
And I remember when my dad took me to see Nightmare Before Christmas in theaters when I was 7, been a fan of Tim Burton since I was a kid, and didn’t even know it! Beetlejuise and Edward Scissor Hands were my favourite movies as a tyke…disturbing eh?
July 9th, 2008 at 5:37 pm
I enjoy Nightmare before Christmas, but I do think “seven” has a point.
Kreachure, I believe it says SFX and was a tribute to the sound crew. People see whatever they want to see.
July 9th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
i think you forgot finding nemo
July 9th, 2008 at 6:07 pm
I saw ratatouille and thought it was hilarious. I’m a sixteen year old guy, and all my friends make fun of me.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:09 pm
I think the transformers would have been a good choice, after all it was the
July 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I think the Transformers would have been a good choice, after all, it was the #1 cartoon of the 80s.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
Ok… so i have seen every movie on this list but Wall-e (as soon as it comes out on DVD ill get it.. but with a 3 month old Boob baby its hard to go to the movies)I agree that Finding Nemo should be on here.. and Nightmare before Christmas…. Really.. number 1??? dont get me wrong.. i love the movie… but my kids will never watch it till they are like 10. I dont think that really qualifies as a kids movie. Not that im over protective of my kids.. but Nightmare has a few things in it that would scare any young child.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:38 pm
I think the statement in the intro:
“I’ve left off some real obvious ones, like Wizard of Oz, because it’s so well-regarded already.”
…answers as to why other perhaps “obvious” ones, like Lion King, Toy Story, Nemo, were left off? Mary Poppins, Sound of Music, etc. Pretty much the ones that are listed are reletively unknown, in comparision to these not-listed biggies.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:47 pm
What about The Lion King?! It’s only the best movie ever made! It has deep meanings and themes that kids don’t get, but that are evident to teens and adults, making it an enjoyable, brilliant movie; also, kids love it for its fun characters and songs. (I love that Wallace and Gromit made the list. Definitely one of my presonal favorites.
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July 9th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
Of the movies on the list I took my kids (who are all adults now) only to
‘The Muppet Movie’ and ‘Who Framed Roger Rabbit’…if I recall, they were older somewhat when that came out…but they both wonderful.
‘Princess Bride’ was another great movie for kids and adults, as was Project X.
At the end of Project X, my son, who was almost 10, climbed into my lap bawling with relief at the final safety of the chimps. I had to hold him for 15 minutes while he cried, but it was a good crying. I liked that a movie could touch a child so deeply and so purely.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:53 pm
As the author of the list, I’m amazed at the amount of comments this has generated. Of course, there were lots of movies I considered. The Toy Story films are favorites of mine and surely would fit in this list. And from the amount of feedback, Finding Nemo seems to be a definite adult favorite, although I didn’t find it to be as enthralling as many of you out there. I thought for all its heart, it lacked much of the humor of the others. Of course, even the worst Pixar flick is heads and tails above just about anything out there.
I also considered some of the Disney flicks from a few years back, such as Lion King and Beauty and the Beast, but again, as good as they all were, I still didn’t get as much out of them as the films I listed. As a few commenters mentioned, humor definitely plays a big part in keeping many adults interested. Oh, another notable omission: Disney’s Teacher’s Pet. Hilarious!!
Yes, I could have easily made this a list of 15 or 20 or even 30, but I kept it to the top ten in my mind. If I added more, it would have become a Pixar list. Again, thanks for all the comments. Now, excuse me, it’s time to watch Bratz: The Movie.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:14 pm
FierceGrace: I remember watching Alien when I was a kid, does that make it a kids movie? Parental Discretion is advised. “It” was another kids movie to me and as far as I know Stephen Kind has never made a kids movie. Just because you watched it doesn’t mean it was a kids movie.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
I love The Incredibles, The Nightmare before Christmas and Who framed Roger Rabbit! Wall-E should be interesting to watch when it comes out (on dvd I mean, I hate theatres).
July 9th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
I just saw “Wall-E” the other day in theaters, and it just may be my favorite Pixar film now (The Incredibles and Ratatouille are among my favorites) and should be higher up on this list; but the way Wall-E was done was amazing, loved every bit of it. Glad to see “Iron Giant” on the list as well, as that is one of my favorite movies too.
Nightmare Before Christmas is great and truly a cult-classic, but it’s been killed by the “emo” crowd and all that stuff to the point I almost can’t stand it anymore.
And I agree, Pixar movies are among the best for kids and adults, they haven’t disappointed yet, I don’t think it’s possible they can.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:32 pm
Great list! The Nightmare Before Christmas is a great movie, one of my favorites.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Lovely list. We recently bought DVDs of both ‘Ratatouille’, Hill Larius, and ‘Wallace & Gromit: Curse of the Were-Rabbit’ (you could add all their films and the shorts as well. Nick Park et al. are a collective genius). We only buy films we know we want to watch over again (or sometimes over and over again!).
Unquestionably ‘Pinocchio’ (the Disney one) belongs and should have been in your 10. The wonderful ‘An actor’s life for me’ song, inter alia, is absolutely up there for adults to revel in, even when it isn’t combined with the fantastic animation sequence.
Perhaps ‘A Bug’s Life’?
I’m so glad the name of Ted Hughes has cropped up (‘Iron Man’), he’s always been one of my favourite poets/authors.
Spike Jonze’s ‘Where The Wild Things Are’, still apparently under wraps, may come into the reckoning once in public circulation.
Apropos. This site is so refreshing after others I’ve visited in the last day or so. Like a sweet mouthwash!
I ran into a posting block and haven’t been able to send this for yonks (most of the day) after it was written. It was written in haste and ‘blind’, and I still haven’t had time to read through all the rest above. So I’ll just post now and amend later if necessary. Apologies for any repetition, although repetition does add force.
July 9th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
The part about Disney sweeping Nightmare Before Christmas under the carpet is completely off.
Disney knows how popular the movie still is and use it to their advantage. Every year the Haunted Mansion ride at Disneyland changes to a “holiday mode” where the characters from the movie are placed in the ride.
There are also several stores and stands at the Disney Resorts selling Nightmare merchandise. Last time I went I bought a Jack Skellington belt and noticed everything from hats to shirts, to posters, to signs, to snow globes, to pretty much anything. I’ve also seen some of this merchandise in the Disney stores in malls.
Disney knows the popularity of the movie and uses it pretty good. Far from sweeping it under the carpet.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:04 pm
I saw Darby O’Gill and the Little People in a theater with my family when I was but a wee lad. There’s a scene in the movie with banshees that scared the beejeezus out of me for weeks.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:07 pm
I started to like spongebob after I saw the movie. It was awesome. Where’s Toy Story and The Lion King? When I was a little kid I watched the land before time so much that I broke the VHS and it would skip the hyena song. =(
July 9th, 2008 at 8:10 pm
There are possibly hundreds more that could qualify for this list, but these movies are great regardless. Good job and nice list.
The Nightmare Before Christmas is perfect at #1
July 9th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Iron Giant rocks the shit dude.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Seven: I agree that many of the punk/goth/emo losers have taken the popularity of tNBC too far. But without it I don’t Disney would have re-released tNBC into theaters (in 3D no less!). That was the first time that I was able to see this glorious movie on the big screen. My mom forbade me to go see it when it came out (I was 10). But my cool aunt gave it to me for my birthday on VHS and I have been a huuuge fan ever since.
I was very glad to see that the Iron Giant was on there. Some other movies that could be on there that haven’t been mentioned is Babe, Willow, An American Tail, Titan A.E., Fantasia, and Fantasia 2000 just to name a few.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:49 pm
To all of you who hated on Spongebob a pox on ye.The writers and creators of that cartoon are in a league with Bugs Bunny,Daffy Duck,Popeye and so on. Never heard of #4 but looks kinda cool.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
O.K. I’ve read through now.
Like so many here, Anita and I, as well as various friends thoroughly enjoyed ‘Nemo’, but as much for the stunning artwork and imaginative marine settings as the story. Perhaps that’s a good enough reason. The story is O.K., but not as surprising, subtle and ‘deep’ as many others. I think ‘Ice Age’ perhaps qualifies similarly. We’d certainly buy them as DVDs, but perhaps not at full price.
Perhaps SteveD you intended the great early Disney’s as too familiar, like ‘Wiz’, but surely one exemplary great historical example of the art ought to have been included? ‘Bambi’ is surely too sentimental for today’s savvy adults, and ‘Snow White’ perhaps too “innocent”, but I stand by ‘Pinocchio’. It has that quality of nearly all absolutely outstanding kiddieflicks, ancient and modern, feature or short (i.e. the Tom and Jerrys). Its style and contents were cunningly designed to hit both knowing adults and naïve kids, and do, bulls-eye. The artwork and creative imagination of ‘Pinocchio’ are peerless. It has scenes that can terrify the imaginative, boys turning into donkeys, the entrapment in the belly of the whale. And the characterisations … We enjoy a lot of pixar stuff hugely, but would never say it displaces this and the other early masterpieces. Is ‘The Battleship Potemkin’ less of a masterpiece than ‘Das Boot’? Judging them on purely technical quality, yes. Such comparisons cannot and should not be made.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:54 pm
What happened to “The Neverending story” ?
July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 pm
I’m a child of the 1970’s, so movies like “The Rescuers”, “The AristoCats” and “The Apple Dumpling Gang” fit the bill for me here.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:05 pm
Oh as the father of three I agree with these (except Roger Rabbit)but there are so many more. I was just watching Snow White with my daughter last night as she was up puking the whole night. I was struck by the fact that kids have been watching that movie for 7 decades now.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
jake ryder,
You’ve obliged me to backtrack a bit on my qualification of ‘Snow White’ as rather “innocent”. As a young child I suffered hugely over the death of Bambi’s mum. But despite Maltin’s observation that Pinocchio “contains some of the scariest scenes ever put on film” it did not terrify me. The gruesome wicked witch of ‘Snow White’ and her abilty to transmogrify from the equally chilling stepmother were part of the stuff of my nightmares for a good few years though.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
‘Stuart Little’ anyone?
**** Amazon, ***Maltin’s, **Halliwells.
Plus a chance to see Hugh Laurie BEFORE he became Dr House!
July 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I think that Corpse Bride is also really good, and everybody in my family likes it. And did anyone mention Bambi? my dad said that it nearly ended the hunting of deer, its a good movie, and i think it would qualify to be in the list.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
I was kinda hoping to see A Christmas Story somewhere on this list. It relates so well to everyone and I have yet to meet a person that hasn’t seen this movie as a family during the holidays.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
I also think that for fairness on this list all the Pixar movies should have been placed as one number. I remember reading a list of modern black and white movies where directors were not repeated as too include as many as possible and that should of came into play here as well to try and accommodate more movies. I personally really don’t see what makes Finding Nemo better than Wall-E or any of the others besides personal taste.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:50 pm
Omniforous.
Yes. I mentioned ‘Bambi’ at 83, two postings above you
July 9th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
And at 79.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:52 pm
I second that ct305! I don’t know anyone who doesn’t like Pixar movies! They are all exceptional in their own right, and I’d be hard pressed to choose a favorite. They are the only cartoons I MUST go see on the big screen.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:46 am
The Sponge Bob Movie is on here, yet no classic Disney?
Please let me know when the world has more taste.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:48 am
Where’s Toy Story?!?!
July 10th, 2008 at 12:57 am
I second that esa (well, I already have done in some detail).
July 10th, 2008 at 12:58 am
I second, or third, or whatever ‘Toy Story’ too.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:49 am
“The Incredibles” was long, tedious, and boring.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:15 am
Beauty and the beast,finding nemo
July 10th, 2008 at 4:43 am
nightmare before christmas rocks!!
July 10th, 2008 at 5:43 am
Tried to post this yesterday, but of course ran into trouble with the site. But…
I am going to pontificate here and get all pedantic and self-righteous. Sorry.
I cannot STAND Disney films (with some rare exceptions, the 50s version of Treasure Island among them) and my kids hate them too (blessed, intellectual kids that I have). I hate them not just for the phony, corporate-cynical mien of the hated Disney company itself (and the hypocrisy also of Walt himself) and for the bizarre, the-mother-is-always-dead-or-killed plot contrivance of Disney films AND for the sickening cutesiness they exhibit–but I also hate them for the way they SHAMELESSLY bowdlerize their subject matter–and sometimes even steal it.
(Please note that I EXCLUDE Pixar films from this. Pixar is not Disney. Thus far they have remained their own stylistic entity, not succumbing to the giant corporation’s horrid ways).
The Lion King—stolen whole cloth from a Japanese cartoon of the 60s.
Little Mermaid—sickeningly cutesy RUINATION of the beautiful and sublime story written by Hans Christian Andersen; a tacky happy ending (whereas the ending of the original tale was moving and slightly sad, but lovely nonetheless and would have taught kids a lot more about life than the usual boy-gets-girl-after-defeating-villain ending of the Disney film).
Beauty and The Beast—disgusting next to the Jean Cocteau version, which my daughters FAR prefer… as do I. And again, a ruin of the original story, turned from sublimely lovely to cutesy sickening.
Aladdin—UNBELIEVABLE bowdlerization of the original tale, and disgusting, again, in comparison to the Alexander Korda version, or the silent version with Douglas Fairbanks… again, my daughters prefer the latter two immensely over the Disney, which is perhaps the worst offender of all of the examples I’m mentioning here, in crapping on its source material with glib abandon.
Pocahantas—godawful distortion of history. Phony and moronic.
Need I go on?
Add to all this the humorless, commodity-driven attitude of the Disney Corp., only one story in regards to which should suffice: (I recall this from an old “Hate Disney” web site which listed–at length–the various shady/unethical/near-illegal or downright illegal practices that go on at Disney World and Disney Land, as well as the filmic crap that I’ve outlined here)… there was once a daycare center (pretty sure it was that) that had, upon finishing construction (or refurbishment, I can’t recall which) had decided that, to please the children, it would decorate with a Disney theme–festooning the walls with Disney characters. Sadly, the Corporate Assholes got wind of this, and soon a cease-and-desist order appeared on the doorstep of the daycare center–ordering them to remove the character depictions or face litigation of a most terrible nature.
Naturally, the center, having no funds to stand up to the corporate giant, demurred and removed the images.
Hearing of this nastiness, the folks at Hanna-Barbera, a fine and doesn’t-take-itself-too-seriously-company (unlike the masters of the hated mouse) donated murals and figures of their popular characters–Flintstones, Scooby-Doo, etc. Showing that not all business types are sphincters.
But I digress… back to the films…
It’s not too much to expect kids to appreciate better versions of stories, folks. TRY them. Kids are smarter and have better taste than we all sometimes think. They KNOW when they’re being lied to and cheated… but they won’t know if all they’re ever exposed to is the lying and cheating of Disney, all wrapped up in its pretty packaging.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:55 am
Yay for Randall and his articulate opinions!
I, too, cannot stand Disney movies.
Watching Aladdin or The Little Mermaid is like eating candy floss: tastes kinda nice and sweet, then it gives you sugar burn, and if you make a habit of eating it you’ll be terribly unhealthy. The worst part is that you KNOW all that before you give in to it’s fluffy pink looks and fork over far too much money for what is just sugar and food colouring whipped into fluff and sold at fairs, themeparks, circuses and anywhere where parents are slightly more susceptible to the demands of their children.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:49 am
note to self…don’t suggest going to disney world with randall.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:13 am
First I thought: Oh no heres Randall going on one of his rants again and criticizing my beloved Disney films. But he makes some very good points, when I read the orginal ending to Little Mermaid I was shocked. H.C. Andersen’s ending is much better and so sad it moved me to tears. Alot of Disneys work is ripped off and too cute and cliche but I still love’em (some of them). Despite the fact that there are many things I would like to change about them.
Did Hanna-Barbera every make any films? Because they were my favorites and so much better than Disney. You know Top Cat, Flinstones, Jetsons, Scooby and Yogi. Now theres some fun cartoons I havent seen for ages.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:18 am
I think Emperor’s New Groove deserves a spot. It may be the funniest movie for kids that I have ever seen. Squeekity Squeek Squeekums.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:22 am
warningdontreadthis:
Disney sucks ass, W., and they enslave the unwary with their cutesy mind-control. The sooner you accept it, the sooner you shall breathe free again. I’m glad you found some wisdom in my rant, and glad that you agree, at least, about The Little Mermaid. I cried like a baby when I read the original. And yet, it was a beautiful and sublime ending, not simply sad. There would have been a way to do it, in a film version, that wouldn’t have been a downer for kids.
Hanna-B. only made a few actual films that I’m aware of–chief among them the great version of “Charlotte’s Web,” from the 70s, and “Hey There it’s Yogi Bear” and “A Man Called Flintstone” in the 60s… a spy spoof which was actually pretty good. I loved it. For the most part they were TV only, though–and let’s face it—they had their heyday, then went into an awful decline in the 70s and 80s…. only to rebound recently with the whole Cartoon Network thing.
The real kings of animation—far better than Disney and more intelligent, more honest, more real–are Warner Bros. I’ll take Bugs Bunny any day over that damn annoying mouse.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Disc:
I was taken to Disney World–once–when I was 9 years old, in 1974. I hated it. I really did. Even the 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea submarine ride was a letdown. The haunted house was cool, and the park had a fun sort of overwhelmingly surreal air to it (Pirates of the Caribbean for instance, was coolly weird) but that was it. I also hated the asshats walking around in costumes.
I had a much better time, I remember, at Cape Canaveral, and at Busch Gardens, which was still in good shape back then. But really I just preferred the beaches.
But then I always preferred Maine over Florida, so what do I know?
July 10th, 2008 at 9:11 am
Randall,
Hear, hear, hear, hear.
But to pìnch a classification from music, you are talking and listing the scummy oodles of middle-period Disney (Pixar is late period, as per last Beethoven string quartets, but hopefully not ‘last’!) For what I know you may place all Disney in that category. Not all we wrinklies do. Some of us hate what I will label the post-war crap and cynicism (although I am only speaking for myself). Instead of developing those few that were shining pillars of our childhood (and I would add ‘Dumbo’ to the three already mentioned), all went downhill on skids. The shite came out when we were more adult, and we afficionados despised them just as much as you do. To be fair, shallow and callow though the overall treatment is, one could pick enjoyable and imaginative MOMENTS out of, say, ‘Alice’. There was fringe stuff such as ‘Song of the South’ where I certainly loved the animated stories, though would fast-forward with eyes shut through the rest today.
Maybe you hate the bathwater so much you can only chuck out the baby as well. If you do, I suggest you will be betraying the artists who devoted their skills as a labour of love to creating flicks such as ‘Snow White’. A TV docu of that was once shown. Those guys worked far beyond the call of duty in a mood of collective inspiration which was not motivated by pay packets. As a driven botanist who at times can’t help doing what he loves for bugger all bread, I picked up the same vibes from them (the survivors) as they talked. I don’t think you can classify some of their terrifyingly portrayed moments already mentioned by me above as ‘cutesy’. O.K., the overall mood is less anarchic, and even in those days more sprinkled with sugar than their rivals’ work. That was simply Disney’s policy: as much when he still had some idealism left in him as when he became a total vile corporate monster.
As a young child, and in the less savvy and often more grim context of the times (war, austerity) I also enjoyed many, though by no means all the shorts. The more anarchic Donald Duck with his splendid vocals was always far more acceptable than the all-too-often embarrassing, swivel-eared Mickey. It is interesting to note that the venerated ‘Monty Python’ team partially owes direct descent from these. Their main source of inspiration was the madcap and incredibly innovative radio ‘The Goon Show’ which catapulted Peter Sellers to fame. Its writer and other main creative vocalist, Spike Milligan, a true anti-establishment rebel, based the voice of one of the main characters, ‘The Famous’ Eccles, on Goofy.
I can still recall one Disney cartoon seen as a very young child in central London cartoon theatre about a small goldfish accidentally lost down a plug-hole and its odyssey of a journey to the sea. And you’d say ‘Nemo’ was original? (O.K. I’m a biologist, I know goldfish cannot survive in salt water, but nor can clownfish away from their protective coral hosts!)
I appreciate your sickened reaction. You are also, of course, absolutely at liberty to express your personal opinion and react according to your taste and experience. But when it comes to the early periods works, you can hardly deny you’re swinning against an almost full consensus, even these days. Out of interest, I check out films I value against (at least) Maltin, Halliwell (critics), Amazon (public) and 1000 films to see before you die (critics):
M H A TOTAL
MAXIMUM 4 4 5 13
Snow White (1937)* 4 4 4.5 12.5*
Pinocchio (1940) 4 4 4 12
Dumbo (1941) 4 4 4.5 12.5
Bambi (1942)* 4 4 4.5 12.5*
Song of the South (1946) 3.5 1 5 9.5
Alice (1951) 3 1 4.5 8.5
The Muppet Movie (1979) 3 2 5 9.5
Nemo (2003) 3.5 2 5 10
* = in 1000 films to see before you die.
Notes: Without exception, and from an adult point of view, everyone whose opinion I value would put ‘Pinoke’ first. I’m disappointed it’s slightly downplayed here, and also appalled by public taste (Amazon). My overall view is nigh on identical to the ever-severe Halliwell.
They were staggeringly unique, and ‘Snow White’ in particular was an act of faith. It nearly broke the studio and all concerned were constantly told it would be a box office flop. The first ‘Big Four’ have perhaps never even been equalled since (I’m allowing Pixar as a different technology), except for the odd one-off masterpiece such as ‘Les Triplettes de Belleville’. I’d be happy that this historical viewpoint was at least acknowledged.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:13 am
I was afraid that would happen. The transfer has buggered up my table. It didn’t respect the spacings. Oh, well, just hope you can sort it out, if interested.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:16 am
Randall,
I just love what Bart Simpson does to the ‘asshats walking around in costumes’.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Haha…not too sure I would have put Watership Down on the “honorable mentions.”
Not too sure if you’ve seen the movie – but it’s fairly harsh. I’ve read the book, and saw the movie when I was much younger, and I was slightly traumitized. Granted it’s a very heartfelt story – but it does depict like 10 rabbits being killed in pretty graphic ways…
Still could kind of give me nightmares…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:08 am
This list could too easily have been a top 20 or 30! Had I written this list it would simply have been a list of Pixar movies in no particular order! I would have put Nemo on the list before The Incredibles, but I love all that is Pixar! Wall-E, by the way, was phenomenal! I’ve seen it twice already, and yes, it should qualify even though it’s been out only a few days!
Oh! and Darby O’Gill! I must find a new copy of that, I used to watch it every year at St. Patty’s day, my dad recorded it off the Disney Channel when it used to be a pay channel, during one of their free weeks, so it would pop up saying “call 1-800-Disney1 to order Disney Channel!” or whatever every 15 minutes. It’s an excellent movie, go see it if you haven’t!
And to all you Disney haters I say ppptttthhhhhhffff. I love Disney, and you all can’t stop me!
July 10th, 2008 at 10:13 am
I’m a major fan of Tim Burton, and have been obsessed with Nightmare Before Christmas since it first came out, so I was very happy to see in at the number one slot. All the others I’ve seen (even though I detest Spongebob), and agree with most. I’d mention Toy Story, but I was prime age when that came out, so I may have some childhood bias about that one.
Excellent list, and I’m so glad that none of the dead-mother-helpless-princess-waiting-prettily-for-her-prince films made it on there.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:16 am
But but but… I like Disney movies and their happy endings. I LOVE Disney World (a place my husband vows to never go again). Randall, have you been talking to my husband? He used to like Disney. I understand your point of them ruining the true stories, but I don’t mind the happy ending changes made to their movies. *SPOILER ALERT (But if you have not seen Moulin Rouge by now I have no sympathy if I ruin the movie for you.) I remember watching Moulin Rouge with my boys. We cut it off just before she dies. Not meaning to, but the boys were happy there was a happy ending. So we left it at that. Then they watched it again another time and found out she died. They were very sad. I almost felt bad about ruining the illusion of a happy ending. However, I do encourage my boys to read the true stories and compare, the same as any movie made off of a book.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:19 am
I hear ya on Disney World, JuJu! It is one hell of an awesome place. Even the rides that are geared more towards kids are a lot of fun. I went there with some family members about 3 or 4 years ago and I had a total blast the entire time.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:31 am
Randall,
I don’t believe you can invalidate ALL Disney by comparison. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Randall – I read your post 98 which basically is opposed to everything I said in post 24. OK, fine, I see your point and I pretty much agree with what you’re saying, Disney sucks harder than an airline toilet when it comes to ruining original stories or intent. I wasn’t thinking of all that when I was in the audience with my little goobers. I took each film for what it was worth and I found value in most of the ones I mentioned earlier.
The biggest problem I had with Disney is those motherfuckers would pimp the next film or video with every new film or video. It’s a goddamn machine – “Get this now before it goes into the Disney vault for 10 years!” Assholes. They definitely weren’t making the movies for art’s sake it was to grease the Tarkus like behemouth they had created. I turned that shit off around the Pocohautas stage because it was nothing more than a dredging up of tired bullshit of the white guys gettin off the boat, spreading the clap and small pox and stealing the hot women and land. Hunchback was probably one of the worst films I’ve ever seen.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
has anyone else noticed that the movies that have jokes that can go over kids heads (while still appealing to kids) and make adults laugh end up doing REALLY well at the box office?
July 10th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
TokiLoKi12 (115),
From my 79 above:
“… but I stand by ‘Pinocchio’. It has that quality of nearly all absolutely outstanding kiddieflicks, ancient and modern, feature or short (i.e. the Tom and Jerrys). Its style and contents were cunningly designed to hit both knowing adults and naïve kids, and do, bulls-eye.”
July 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Toy Story, Shrek and Lion King.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
okay, i love it that you love spongebob… not many adults would admit to that.
and making the nightmare before christmas #1? hallelujah!
thank you for not putting any of that disney shit on here… one of my all time favorite movies WAS “the little mermaid” but think about the negative undertones of it… a woman gives up her voice and spreads her legs AND give up who she loves being just to be with a man? screw that, bring on the pixar.
plus, name me ONE disney hero/ine that does not have at least one dead parent and “hercules” doesn’t count cause he meets them later, he doesn’t grow up with them. and that movie sucked anyways, it was like one of the last remaining disney cartoon animation attempts before pixar rocked the house.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Seth~ Titan A.E.! I forgot that one! Isn’t it a Don Bluth film? I remember loving such great Don Bluth films as
The Secret of NIHM
and
Banjo the Woodpile Cat
when I was a child of the 80’s. Banjo was the greatest little guy!I totally related to his character.
July 10th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
cocololo, 118.
Minnie Mouse?
July 10th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Well Great,
O.K. So Snow White, Dumbo, Bambi and Pinocchio are sheer worthless Disney shit. I’m so glad I’ve at last found better, more valid critial opinions than Maltin, Halliwell and at least a few hundred members of the public who bothered to write them up in Amazon.
Thanks.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
I’m glad to see Nightmare Before Christmas as number 1, because I am 18 years old now, but I’ve loved that movie since I was a kid. I do have to agree with most though, Spongebob should not be on this list at all, mostly because people older than 8 do hate him because he is SO ANNOYING. I do believe that Finding Nemo should be on this list, as well as Aladdin, Mulan or Toy Story. Not Toy Story Two though, that one was terrible compared to the first.
And one last note, Corpse Bride was so not better than the Nightmare Before Christmas.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
****
#115. ToKiLoKi12
has anyone else noticed that the movies that have jokes that can go over kids heads (while still appealing to kids) and make adults laugh end up doing REALLY well at the box office
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Such has it always been, all the way back to the Fleischer cartoons.
btw, re the early, early Disney. I have the bit, “When I see an Elephant Fly” from Dumbo, on my personal blog.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
I saw an episode of SpongeBob, where Spongebob, his boss and patrick went on a panty raid. that isn’t for children
July 10th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
MPW: I’ve always thought spongebob was on drugs.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
I love Cartoon Network. It helped me learn English and thank Fry for that.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:46 pm
#118 Cocololo “plus, name me ONE disney hero/ine that does not have at least one dead parent”
Mulan’s parents were both alive. And so was her grandmother.
I am starting to see why some of the adults here do not enjoy these kids movies. You all are reading way too much into a children’s film.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
hey, i love cartoons and i think finding nemo should be here. FINDING NEMO!
July 10th, 2008 at 4:49 pm
I remember when I saw TNBC in theaters, it was so sad, yet cute and happy, and I was obsessed ever since!
Im going to go watch that right now!
July 10th, 2008 at 4:53 pm
It’s strange. Over 129 comments and yet only Mom424 has ponted out that Monsters, Inc. has been omitted from this list.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
“The Lion King” anyone?
July 10th, 2008 at 6:29 pm
segue, 123,
“When I see an elephant fly”
Reply short but sweet and focussed. I knew if I’d get a direct response finally from anyone, It’d probably be you.
Ever felt you were talking yourself?
And it was the first sign of madness?
JwJwBean, 127,
In some cases, no. They are simply not reading anything into GREAT childrens’ films. Simply ignoring them.
If I said Hitchcock’s films were shit, you’d quite rightly all be jumping over me. (And I be jumping over myself.) If I said some Hitchcock films were masterpieces (and named them), but Hitchcock didn’t happen to hit my particular button. you’d find that a reasonable answer I hope. Wouldn’t you?
July 10th, 2008 at 6:31 pm
The Lion King Rules and yes I know it has been mentioned
July 10th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
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#132. Spanner in the worksj
segue, 123,
“When I see an elephant fly”
Reply short but sweet and focused. I knew if I’d get a direct response finally from anyone, It’d probably be you.
Ever felt you were talking yourself?
And it was the first sign of madness?
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LOL! LOL! LOL!
Oh, Spanner, quite often!
You know, the old cartoons, Fleischer, Merrie Melodies, the early Disney’s, the early Warner Bros. were really little gems. I can still envision entire Fleischer and Merrie Melodies scenes, and thanks to both them, and Bugs Bunny, I’ve found myself, more than once, having to stifle laughter at Philharmonic performances or Operas. I always wonder how many other audience members are having the same reaction.
As to Hitchcock, some of my all time favorite movies are Hitchcock’s. He could build more fear and suspense with the use of shadows, or camera angle being just off, than any modern director can do with aall their fancy equipment…and I worked in the industry.
But enough.
Time to drug myself into senselessness.
ta!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
segue,
For when you come back: and I hope you don’t get put through too much of a medical mill meanwhile.
Of course talking about films to you is teaching grandma to suck eggs (eggs suck?). I’d forgotten.
I’m beginning to feel sorry for these pixar-worshippers and wondering just how much of the great early stuff you and I have mentioned they really know. That isn’t in any way, in the slightest sense playing down pixar. But it’s a bit like going to the same magnificent holiday destination every year and saying it’s better than anywhere else, so who needs to go anywhere else. Personally I find that sort of exclusive approach antipathetic, but there you are. One has to specialise somehow or other, that’s all life’s short span allows, but I do that reluctantly, knowing I’m missing out on wonderful alternatives, rather than dismissively. Of course, one also has to apply the critical faculty and personal preference, but it seems to me people are confusing or mixing those two here.
I’m sure you know it, but I think my all-time favourite short, maybe my all-time favourite animated, is the Tom and Jerry ‘Cat Concerto’. It’s divine, it’s sublime, it’s as close to sheer genius as the music it’s drawn around, Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody Nº 2*. Every second is full of superb invention. And it has a happy ending too! Whenever I watch it, mixed-emotion tears come welling to my eyes; of laughter, of appreciation at its magic, of sheer joy.
*(Actually, I don’t particularly enjoy Liszt except for the thrilling Psalm 13 “Herr, wie lange willst du meiner so gar vergessen?”. But if he did nothing else than inspire that cartoon, I’d be eternally grateful!).
And talk of vile Disney deterioration. What about the modern Tom and Jerrys, etc. Ugh! ugh! What a cynical betrayal of standard there too.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
ringtailroxy – Yes, Titan A.E. was a Don Bluth film… Sadly it was his last =/ It bombed so bad that he was forced to close down his studio… or something to that nature. My favorite, FAVORITE Don Bluth films are: Land Before Time, Secret of NIMH (very dark movie), All Dogs Go to Heaven, Anastasia, and last but definitely not least, An American Tail (which was also the very first movie I saw in the theaters).
An interesting side note: Had it not been for the huge success for An American Tail, there probably wouldn’t have been the Little Mermaid, Aladdin, Lion King, Beauty and the Beast, or any other of the post 80’s Disney movies. I read in a few places that Disney company was on the verge of shutting down their animated movie productions due to the lack of box office dollars they were getting (I guess The Great Mouse Detective and Oliver & Company were the last straws). But when An American Tail came out, it was a huge success (beating the Great Mouse Detective in 1986). This showed Disney there was still an audience for good animated movies. I tried providing a link to support my claim, but sadly I could not find one. If I do I will post it later
July 10th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
To Randall and all others who have expressed a strong dislike for Disney:
I hear you and I agree- Disney warps fairy tales so that everything ends happily, regardless of how the original tale went.
I applaud you for taking the time to share the original versions of these stories with your children, because I agree that if you feel they can deal with the darker aspects, they should be allowed to enjoy them. I love, for example, the Norwegian variation of Beauty and the Beast.
That being said, I love Disney of the 80s and early 90s. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite movie, animated or live action. In my defense, I have read multiple versions: the Jean Cocteau version, whichever version was used for the creepy talking Mother Goose tape player, a Norwegian variation called East of the Sun, West of the Moon, and the original Roman myth of Cupid and Psyche. Despite the many changes Disney made, it was the message of the film that touched me- you can be liked for being yourself, regardless of appearance.
I recall seeing a more traditional version of the Little Mermaid that actually pointed out what she endured- the feeling of daggers when she walked, losing the prince to another, turning into sea foam rather than kill him. I loved that too. Rather than painting Ariel as a woman who “gives up her voice and spreads her legs AND give up who she loves being just to be with a man”, I grew up seeing her as someone who was willing to sacrifice everything for love. Call me a romantic, but I loved it. I still do.
And the Lion King? Before it was a Japanese cartoon in the 60s, it was a Shakespearean play known as Hamlet.
Someone argued that Disney movies are not good because the protagonist is almost always missing the mother figure. Looking back at the original stories, there’s still no mom. Disney didn’t come up with that on their own.
I could go on in detail as to how there is good and bad in Disney films and how Disney has done nothing new in changing a story to suit the audience (which has been going on as long as there were stories to tell), but frankly, I don’t want to type that much.
Yes. Disney is a massive corporation set on making money off of selling happy stories to young children. Disneyland is an overpriced shrine to all things Disney. I still love it, because when I was young, I wanted to see the prince and the princess live happily ever after. When I’m having a bad day, I need to see that things can work out, no matter how unlikely it may seem at the time.
People see what they want to see in Disney films. I see that little bit of magic we all search for as a child and give up on as adults.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
I must point out that despite the fact that I love Disney I cant defend their recent work.
I have two 11 year old sisters who live and breath the shit Disney dishes out. High School Musical and Hannah Montana. Surley even Randall can agree that watching the Disney version of Little Mermaid is 1000 times better than watching a whore to be prance around in a wig acting like she can sing. I remember seeing an episode of Oprah where forty – fifty year olds were cheering and even crying when they saw her come in with her huge teeth and extensions. What the hell happend to dignity?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Moose:
I totally agree with you on The Little Mermaid. I love it too. That was my favorite movie as a child, and I got the special edition for Christmas last year. Watching it again as an adult was an entirely different experience than as a child! I am moving to a different continent in a few months, and watching the final scene when she leaves her family in the ocean to be with Eric was so much more than a happy ending – it was a moving goodbye as well! I have to say it really got to me.
ringtailroxy:
Titan A.E. is an amazing film! I love Don Bluth, although the Land Before Time series is crazily out of hand. How many are there now? 15?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Kind of addressing your theme, Seth,
I would have to admit on reflection to being unfair and biased in lumping all later Disney animateds together for overall tubeflushing. If you can excuse that, it’s my reaction against the total ignoring or rubbishing of the early masterpieces, which were also, does anyone recall, technical ground¡breakers in so many respects. That coupled with the fact the later ones you just name were and are receiving their fair share of shouts.
To take two, I’d rate ‘An American Tail’ as definitely watchable and enjoyable, if not up to the high original standard, but perhaps ‘Aladdin’ comes close or is. That is borne out by both critical and public response, which, as per my posting 105, give an aggregate of 11.5 out of 13 stars. I wonder what the difference might have been without Robin Williams?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
warningdontreadthis: I’m no fan of disney and definatly not Hannah Montana but come on…would you rather have them watching something completely braindead like spongebob? Disney doesn’t care about dignity! They’re a company..they care about money. Disney is doing to the film industry what EA is doing to the video game industry. Pumping out as much stuff as they can and then milking it to death. They don’t give two sh*ts about dignity…they’re rich!
July 10th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Man. I though Finding Nemo was a terrible film.
As a gigantic Tim Burton fan I have to say Nightware was excellent. It definitely deserves it’s spot.
And it’s La Vie En Rose, not Le Vie En Rose.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:08 pm
Hannah Montana is great!
A show with Billy Ray Cyrus.. Yummy.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:43 pm
Somewhere up above, The Hannah Barbera Flintstones is held up high against Disney, and questions were asked about whether the company made films.
I should just like to note that in my opinion the two Flintstone films are insurmountably monumental crap, a witless and humourless insult to the better aspects of their own series, and wrongly considered by at least one critic as fit to appeal only to young kids. Poor young kids!
And not only my opinion. I love the following crisp critiques quoted in Halliwell, a remarkably similar set of variations on a theme:
‘Yabba Dabba Doo-doo.’ Philadelphia Inquirer.
‘Yabba Dabba Don’t.’ USA Today.
‘Yabba Dabba Dud.’ New York Daily Post.
‘Yabba Dabba Poo!’ Empire.
Well, apparently the public flocked to see it, and it even garners an astonishing three out of five stars in Amazon, so I’m digging in for a backlash here.
No general criticism of Hannah Barbera intended.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:01 am
Thought I’d done that. Too bloody tired to concentrate properly.
Hanna Barbera, of course not Hannah. Nothing at all to do with Woody Allen.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:26 am
anything pixar
July 11th, 2008 at 12:27 am
The Nightmare before Christmas is a classic, it was a little unfortunate that the next movie made by them, The Corpse Bride” wasnt up to the same standard, the animation was great, but the story line was just lacking.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am
Spongebob square turd is a horrible animation, not only are the writters lacking an imagination, but have no idea how to put a story line together that actually has some moral meaning that gets the child/adult thinking.
i mean, even Buggs Bunnie and the Daffy Duck cartoons dont really have any moral meaning to them, but, at least they weren’t making us dumber by watching them, as horrible as a cartoon it was, “Captain Planet” sticks in my mind to this day (i thought the blond was hot when iwas
now, i might not recycle as much as i probably could, but between the greenies advertising to recycle and take care of the planet and pretty much giving me the shits and Captain Planet, i think the good old captain implanted the thought that “hey! maybe i should put this can in the recycle bin”
i’m not saying that every cartoon/animation should have a moral meaning, but i aint letting my son watch bloody Pokemon or Dragon ball Z just so he nags me to go get him the trading cards or shit like that.
The old school Nija Turtles back from the early 90’s and even the OLD Transformers should be re-run instead, classics are classics and shoudnt be fucked with.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:42 am
CRSN (148),
The reason not to let your son watch ‘Get Poked’, ‘Dragon’s Bollocks’ and the worst of the saucer-eyed, Jap-crap (No racism intended: I’d as freely put Britshit, if appropriate)is not the attendant merchandise. It’s the appallingly cynical rubbish itself.
With that stuff so thick on the screen, I don’t understand why you people are so hellbent on kicking Disney and Sponge ass (as you say). Take away those of the present generation that are based around violence; whose puerile artwork could be equalled or bettered by talented kids at most art schools I have known (faces, that if they show any emotion or expression at all, can only offer hatred or revenge-aggression), and are not redeemed by a minimal portion of humanity and/or humour, and what’s left? By comparison, most of those leave the much-maligned bath commodity looking like a cross between Albert Einstein, the Dalai Lama and Bob Hope.
Many contributors here have recorded fond and important childhood memories of what Moose (137) above niceky described as “that little bit of magic we all search for as a child and give up on as adults”. I’m not going to stir up irrelevant controversy here by naming pets and pet aversions among former cartoon characters, but even the worst had humour, humanity of story line (or the violence was unmistakeably tongue-in-cheek in the cause of laughter), and decent standards of artwork and body-animation. What similar images are today’s kids going to carry away from the presnt mouldering pile as cherished memories of their old age? Given this situation; let alone the shining lights of ‘The Simpsons’ and ‘Futurama’, not for the very young anyway, thank heavens for dear old spongebob, says I.
Or is there a whole load of high quality regular animation out there that’s passed me by so far?
July 11th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Someone said in defence of Disney earlier in this list that writers had taken stories throughout history and rewritten them to their style.
Too true, blue. Move on to the next list: W. Shakespeare, Esq.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
I don’t really consider Who Framed Roger Rabbit to be a kids’ movie. When I was a kid and it came out, I had no idea what was going on. I watched it not too long ago, now that I’m older, and it has a lot of adult themes in it.
I’m surprised actually that a few Pixar movies made it but not Finding Nemo, that’s my favorite one, as an adult! =)
July 11th, 2008 at 3:31 pm
Surprised not to see Beauty & The Beast, for this was visualling a stunnng movie, and the only animated movie to nominated for Best Picture, how could it not be on the list!!!!
What about the Jungle Book, the last movie Walt Disney was involved in with great story line, wonderful memorable songs by the Sherman Bros and regarded as a Disney Classic.
Another movie that has adult humour is The Emporers New Groove, check it out, very funny and one of my favourite out of Disney.
July 11th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
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I’m sure you know it, but I think my all-time favourite short, maybe my all-time favourite animated, is the Tom and Jerry ‘Cat Concerto’. It’s divine, it’s sublime, it’s as close to sheer genius as the music it’s drawn around, Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody Nº 2*. Every second is full of superb invention. And it has a happy ending too! Whenever I watch it, mixed-emotion tears come welling to my eyes; of laughter, of appreciation at its magic, of sheer joy.
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I couldn’t have said it any better, so I won’t add a word.
I don’t down-play what Pixar has accomplished. They have come up with some very nice stuff…but I know how it’s all done, so it sort of takes away the magic. It’s machines, though humans get it going and finish it up some…for what it makes up in all its technical glory, it somehow lacks the soul of the man-made, cel by cel, cartoons we grew up with.
But again, apples and potatos.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:44 pm
i love the ir0on giant. it was one of my favorite movies as a kid! i was so happy to see it on this list!!
July 11th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
i have seen all the movies on this list-but i haven’t seen the new 3-d verson of the nightmare before christmas and my middle sister and i watched roger rabbit to death!!! the original Fantasia is my all time favorite movie and in my opinion one of the best movies ever made!!!
July 11th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Lethal Pixi,
Interesting to have ‘Fantasia’ on board. Another major early Disney. It’s a mixture of the arts that Wagner would surely have thoroughly approved of in theory and hated in execution!
It had actually slipped my mind higher up the postings here. I’m too far down the line of musical sophistication for it to be an out-and-out personal favourite, although it is one of Anita’s. I certainly wouldn’t rate it as a childrens’ film under any circumstance either. An intelligent child, definitely a musical one, might survive and even enjoy Dukas’s ‘The Sorcerer’s Apprentice’ (certainly one of the Mouse’s best outings). ‘Night on a Bare Mountain’ and ‘The Rite of Spring’ are surely adult fare though, even when modulated by all that colour and movement, and the whole thing is well over two hours long. Of course that can be chopped up on DVD.
Even now it wallows in critical acclaim, with its acknowledged vulgarities (Wipe that dreadful ‘Pastoral’ visual, please. UGH!) and cutesy sentimentalities forgiven for its overall brilliant passages of invention. The words stunning, strange and beautiful, and innovative crop up for it from normally severe pens. The dancing hippos and alligators remind me of a much more recent hilarious ballet by a modern Dutch dance company, who dressed up as fatties in foam body-suits and light-footed it to one of the fast Bach Brandenburg concertos!
There’s no way of knowing, but I wonder how many people have been introduced to classical music by ‘Fantasia’? It was also another bold and risky venture by Disney himself that can in no way be rubbished as commercially cynical, or as corporate greed, or similar. The only valid condemnation could be on grounds of artistic taste, and for that one must also bear in mind what was the intention and the intended audience.
July 11th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
To be upfront, although this is a film for children, and for me a lovely one, it’s very obscure and provincial, and would
never qualify for the list. The problem is, I don’t know the title and want to, so I’m hoping some film buff, above all Australian (it’s an Oz film) can come to my aid after a brief synopsis.
A lonely young boy wandering around comes to a large, empty barn-like building in the town. He explores inside. I’ts dark and has recessed workshops. In one of them he comes upon a hostile old recluse who is secretly rebuilding a crashed tiger moth biplane. They are both lonely and alientated and the old man initially tries to drive the boy away. But soon they are co-operating on the construction, the boy bringing in parts, and eventually they finish the project.
I found the film simple, unpretentious, moving and beautifully done.
Anybody?
July 12th, 2008 at 5:23 am
I would like to suggest Goonies & Monster Squad. They were both good movies. I watched them as a kid and now watch them with my kids.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:35 am
these movies rock
i thought alice in wonderland would be on here, but thats ok
July 12th, 2008 at 6:46 am
What about the Hunchback of Notre Dame?
It’s a fantastic film. Children love it because of the whole good verses evil, funny talking gargoyles, beautiful princess sort of thing. But the animation is incredible, and there’s a definite undercurrent of darkness and a much more adult storyline, if you look closer (torture? genocide? burning an innocent to death?), particularly with the character of Frollo. It’s definitely my favourite “traditional” Disney film (musical, 2D animation etc.)
July 12th, 2008 at 8:43 am
How the hell did ‘Big’ (Tom Hanks) get left off the list? And how come I’ve only just thought of it? This is a thoroughly delightful, I would say magic, film that got totally under my and Anita’s skins. We’ve watched it a couple of times, I’d gladly watch it over, and it’s somewhere on the list of DVD wants, should we ever get around to it. It goes straight to the heart of “that little bit of magic we all search for as a child and give up on as adults”, as already referred to. The acting is flawless and the story and invention never flag, and are never forced or false. It mixes its two generations in a seamless way that must surely appeal to and touch both equally; indeed anybody with a drop of ‘knowing innocence’ left in them.
Rosi,
The Hunchback has its supporters like yourself, and detractors. It’s certainly got all you say, though is not an easy one to assess from every angle. If people are going to come back here, they’ll probably point out the several very dark and fine ‘traditional’ filmed versions (the unforgettable Charles Laughton and that catchphrase, imitated by generations of comedians!). However, I’m not sure comparison on just one plane is valid. It was a bold and courageous venture, but would generally be considered too flawed to be right up there, I think.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:31 am
What about The Dark Crystal? At least an honorable mention is needed
July 12th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
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Lethal Pixi,
Interesting to have ‘Fantasia’ on board. Another major early Disney. It’s a mixture of the arts that Wagner would surely have thoroughly approved of in theory and hated in execution!
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Interesting. I just now thought of Fantasia!
I was taken to the cinema to see it when I was quite young.
I loved it. It filled me with a series of emotions; wonder, delight, dread, fear, amusement, terror, but mostly, wondrous delight.
That there was an entire level of the movie I did not understand was not lost on me, but that took nothing from it for me.
I saw it again, years later, and wondered what I had seen in it.
Then I saw it yet again, with my children, and was again, filled with delight.
Maybe it’s one of those rare situational movies. If you ain’t in the right situation, you just ain’t gonna get it.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
segue,
How did your children react?
We have it on VHS, but haven’t small-screened it yet. Maybe better not to and just live with the memory.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
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segue,
How did your children react?
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They saw it on VHS, and they reacted pretty much as I did at their age. It was delightful to watch them enjoying, laughing, squealing with joy or semi-terror, but loving it.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Forgot a couple:
The Goonies (starring Sean Astin), and Little Monsters (starring Fred Savage, his younger brother Ben Savage, and Howie Mandell).
July 12th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
segue,
From what you’re saying, sounds as if the Disney images might have done a lot to carry the music across to them subliminally, which was part of the idea behind ‘Fantasia’. I also asked because perspectives change with context and generation. Quite a lot of classical music floated on the airwaves when I was young, when there was only radio and very little choice of stations (all BBC). Nowadays it’s nearly all rap, rock and pop for kids, background and foreground, and there have been gradual changes towards that all the time. Besides which youngsters have become progressively more worldly anyway. So I was wondering whether that had caused a different reaction in your children to your own.
These time change perspectives are fascinating. I often wonder what the congregation at Leipzig, listening to yet another hastily rehearsed weekly cantata by their harrassed Kantor, Mr Bach, made of it. Did they have the faintest notion the future would be hailing it as some of the sublimest music ever written? Or were they just itching to get the hell off the hard pew to the warm comfort of home and a hot toddy?
July 12th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
Ohh wow, what about Follow that Bird? It had an all start cast and tons of cameos. LOL I’m 24 and I still like to watch the movie whenever it’s on Tv.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:25 am
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From what you’re saying, sounds as if the Disney images might have done a lot to carry the music across to them subliminally, which was part of the idea behind ‘Fantasia’. I also asked because perspectives change with context and generation…Nowadays it’s nearly all rap, rock and pop for kids, background and foreground…
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Spanner: I was one of “those” moms. I controlled what they watched on television, and how much of that. Same with radio.
They were all voracious readers well before they turned 4, so many a dreary afternoon would find the four of us huddled together on a couch or bed, reading, while listening to classical music or, while it lasted, a wax on thin cardboard record of the “Song of the Humpback Whale” (my son’s favorite recording), which had come inside a copy of National Geographic. Regardless of weather, everyday had at least an hour devoted to reading.
On nice days we’d go to the park or the beach or the aquarium or the art museum. We always had all the art supplies a kid could want, and a special place where messes could be as messy as messy could be.
Outdoor activities, too, were part of the daily schedule. Bike riding, skating, kicking a ball about, climbing trees;basically getting dirty and tired.
I was strict about nutrition, too. Everything was homemade…everything.
They weren’t exposed to rap, rock, pop until school, by which time they had been immunized against the worst of it. Even as adolescents they didn’t like rap or pop or most of what passed as rock. There were some groups they liked, and I even took them (besides to the Phil, Opera and Ballet) to Jazz and The Who and Stones.
I think they had a fairly well rounded upbringing for having only one parent.
But your point, ” Besides which youngsters have become progressively more worldly anyway.”, is usually spot-on.
What I see in my own eldest, with her 16 mo. old daughter, is the beginning of an almost exact replay of the way I brought her and her sibs up.
So maybe there *IS* hope.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:29 am
segue,
Lucky children. And it sounds as if they appreciated your intentions all down the line, which many don’t. There’s that thing about telling them what you don’t want them to do so they’ll rebel and do what you do want them to do. Sadly, that’s hypothetical advice that doesn’t get off the runway in real life.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
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…There’s that thing about telling them what you don’t want them to do so they’ll rebel and do what you do want them to do. Sadly, that’s hypothetical advice that doesn’t get off the runway in real life.
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Spanner: The trick is not telling them what you don’t want them to do, but just doing what you what them doing from the get-go…leading them gently and positively in the direction you’ve chosen. That way it’s a positive experience all the way along the line. Couple that with repeated, heartfelt, congratulations for a job well done, no matter how small (age dependent), and they grow up with a very positive self-image.
They had nothing to rebel against because I’d never said “no”, not until they were much older and it could be a discussion, not a dictum.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Toy Story is one of my dad’s all-time favorite movies (not just kids movies), and he’s a pretty harsh movie critic.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
I wasn’t introduced to classical music through Fantasia- my dad was a drummer in band when he was younger and my mom was into sports. my parents seperated and divorced when I was in elementary school. I was encourged to be active in school including sports, (I played basketball, soccer, and track & field) band, (started out playing clarinet advancing to bass clarinet and then marching baritone when I was in high school along with some left handed guitar thrown in there!) and anything else I wanted to be involved in- lots of clubs!! my parents listened to classic rock as I grew up, and at 25 I believe I have a pretty good respect for all music. I fell in love with Fantasia because it was so different from any other movie I had ever seen and of course I love and respect the movie and art that went into it. I have the dvd of Fantasia and Fantasia 2000 and the extras in the original explain the concept and hope that Disney had for Fantasia only for it to be one of it’s biggest flops. Fantasia was suppose to be an experience and change some everytime it was shown. ‘Fantasound’ was created and alot of theatres were not equipped for the stero sound that was suppose to be with Fantasia and took away from the experience. I suggest to anyone to get the dvd of the original and just check out the extras. The Nutcracker Suite is my favorite chapter in the original and I plan to have some of the clarinet music from The Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy tattooed on my arm and incorporate a Fantasia theme with the tattoo. I can’t wait!!!!!!
oh, what do I know- I’m just some skateboarding punk with piercings and tattoos that just loves music!!! I hope when I have kids they will enjoy Fantasia as much as me!!
July 13th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Spongebob Squarepants is the worst thing top hit television since Bevis and Butthead…come to think of it…they made a horrible movie out of that too
July 13th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
Lethal Pixie,
You know, come to think of it, I think the sound track quality of ‘Fantasia’ was the bit I least liked, even then. It wasn’t until the LP era, followed by CDs and hifi radio, that I became aware of what such stuff was supposed to sound like when recorded.
Dave,
Well, you can have all that endless repulsive Japanese shite and its inane, deadbrained like we never watch on our television, and we’ll relieve you of the sponge. Certainly not that good, but, By The Beard of The Great Prophet, a million times better and more ‘human’.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:33 pm
Spanner in the works
(149) i had replied to your post more recently, but must not have uploaded, it was pretty long winded and i couldnt possibly remember the exact wording of what i wrote, but, breifly, i was not having a go at Disney, if you do some research, you’ll find that Disney has been the corner stone of telling some of the most moraly correct stories that actually influenced children of the day, since then they have lost that bit of sparkle, if i remember correctly as well, Disney was involved in a lot of war propaganda during world war 2 and even having a negro portraid as a “Sambo”
Now, they arent considered politicaly correct, but back then it was a way of pushing your ideas in to the publics phsyce.
that aside, because its not what we’re talking about, i think society has developed an unhealthy veiw of how the world works, over the evolution of media has come the evolution of commercialism, where one goes – the other tags a long, and it has produced a generation of spoilt, money hungry, must have that new accessory, children.
then in 30 to 40 years time, we can have brain dead leaders running the world, but that being said, its up to the individual at the time to make up their mind of what appeals to them.
Great one that should be on the list, “Alice in Wonderland” now try watching it while on LSD, its quite weird.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:41 am
176. Your post dizzies me. I’m not a grammar Nazi, but your run-on sentences, disjointed thoughts, and spelling errors took away from whatever point you were trying to make.
Naw, I’ll pass on Alice in Wonderland/LSD. You can tell me all about it- or try.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:18 am
Cedestra – using out of date technology at the moment, half the stuff written ain’t coming out properly, in regards to the spelling, I just got the shits with the computer I was using because my whole system is down (server and desk tops)
so it was a mix of stuffed up computers and my lack of patience, as you might see in the comment, I did post something earlier which didn’t upload, but with my server and desktops not working at 100%, its been hard to get anything done from my end, there’s probably a post or two on another site that doesn’t make any sense at all as well, I haven’t been able to comment on the lists as regularly as I have in the past and a lot of the stuff I’ve written about hasn’t come out the way that I wanted to say it.
trust me, I know where your coming from, all I’ll say in my defense about my comments is that I don’t like how all the commercialism has flowed through into children’s entertainment, its always been a factor, but children at any age are innocent and impressionable beings, I know from when I was young (and I’m only 24) that the amount of advertising, whether it be through a movie or on TV, has at least doubled or tripled and has become more in tuned with the wants of young children, which in turn (as long winded as it might sound) gives the next upcoming generation a very distorted view of how the world works.
Simple analogy:
work = money = spend
not: spend = work = money
and that’s a trap that people fall into from an early age, they go out, spend up big (credit card or not) get big bill in the mail and stress the fuck out until its worked off, something I was taught long ago is “if you don’t have the money, wait until you do” sounds a little stupid, but try telling a parent that who has constantly got their children nagging them for the new over the top accessory and cant afford it by paying cash, therefore resorting to plastic credit instead of passing on to the children the values of being able to work with what you have.
It is better to be humble with what you have and pass on those kinds of teachings.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:52 am
Cedestra : how did that list go?
July 14th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Toy Story should definitely be on this list; it’s one of my father’s favourite movies.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Moose:
“People see what they want to see in Disney films. I see that little bit of magic we all search for as a child and give up on as adults.”
Oh PUH-YOOK. Please.
What do you do for a living, Moose? Write blurbs for Disney video packaging?
I mean, I’m sorry… but what IS this mealy-mouthed crap? First you’re agreeing with me… but then you plow right on to compose a Disney love-fest. What the hell?
“That being said, I love Disney of the 80s and early 90s. Beauty and the Beast is my favorite movie, animated or live action.”
Uh….okay.
What can one say to that? I could say lots (I’m a mean bastard, after all) but I feel like I’d be kicking a cripple.
Clearly you mean well and you have a good heart, Moose. But I think you missed the point entirely of what I was saying.
How can you recognize the value of the unadulterated, un-bowdlerized original versions of these tales… and yet go on to defend what Disney does to them for the sake of a buck? Can you not see the problem with this? The damage they do? You say the message is still there. I say it gets lost in the glitz and pukey colors and pukey sentimentality.
“And the Lion King? Before it was a Japanese cartoon in the 60s, it was a Shakespearean play known as Hamlet.”
Uh, no, Moose… sorry. You can’t play it that way. I frankly don’t even see the resemblance (is there another play you’re actually thinking of?) but it hardly matters. When i say Disney’s Lion King was lifted near VERBATIM from a Japanese cartoon–I MEAN it.
“Someone argued that Disney movies are not good because the protagonist is almost always missing the mother figure.”
Yeah, that’s me.
“Looking back at the original stories, there’s still no mom. Disney didn’t come up with that on their own.”
EXCUSE ME? No, wrong, Moose. SOME fairy tales, yes, include the loss of a mother (and I believe the original story of Bambi does, as it’s central to the plot) but Disney goes *out of its way* to write stories of that nature even when the source material doesn’t include it.
“I could go on in detail as to how there is good and bad in Disney films and how Disney has done nothing new in changing a story to suit the audience (which has been going on as long as there were stories to tell), but frankly, I don’t want to type that much.”
well forgive me, but sounds more like you don’t want your illusions shattered.
You can’t have it both ways, Moose. Disney offers pap and illusory trash. That it’s pretty and attractive illusory trash doesn’t change the fact that it still smells.
“Yes. Disney is a massive corporation set on making money off of selling happy stories to young children. Disneyland is an overpriced shrine to all things Disney. I still love it, because when I was young, I wanted to see the prince and the princess live happily ever after. When I’m having a bad day, I need to see that things can work out, no matter how unlikely it may seem at the time.”
Well… you just can’t change a mind like that. The world is chock full of romantic lies because people want to believe them. The tragedy is that such people never recognize the harm in it… they think it’s simply harmless fun.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:37 pm
Randall: Take it easy on the guy. It’s clear he just likes Disney films. I like Disney films too. I don’t care what’s been done to them, really. Most people don’t. We just like Disney movies because they are nostaligic. I don’t watch Sword and the Stone to critique the cinemagraphic techniques or the arching character struggles. I watch Sword and the Stone with the same fascination as a guy in your generation would have finding his old lava lamp buried in a trunk in his closet and decides to plug it in for a few minutes. “Hey, I remember that! It’s been so looooong…cool!” Disney fans don’t really care that the movies are, by and large, pap and illusory trash. Watching them is just revisiting a piece of our childhood and pretending, for a moment, that you are still young enough not to know what you are watching is garbage. It’s entertainment, pure and simple. You won’t see John Grisham or Clive Cussler win any literary awards anytime soon, but I still occassionally enjoy to read them.
Oh, and this quote: “You can’t have it both ways, Moose. Disney offers pap and illusory trash. That it’s pretty and attractive illusory trash doesn’t change the fact that it still smells. ”
Reminds me of one of my fav. sayings, said by a close friend of mine: “You can cover a turd in gold dust, but all you got is still just a gold-covered piece of shit.”
July 14th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
Slick:
But I’m so ANGRY….
July 14th, 2008 at 5:00 pm
Spanner in the Worksj!
I wrote to jrater about your problem, and got this reply:
Hi there – he should be able to change it himself on the next post he makes – he can’t change his username if he is logged in which means he must be allowing his webbrowser to auto-fill for him – all it takes is to change it once again and it will be fine.
Jamie
So, log out. Then log in on *every* list once. ta-da!
July 14th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Randall,
Last night we watched bits of ‘Madagascar’ while we were eating and doing other things. Not a great film, certainly; not to be on the 10-list here anyway. But it made a courageous attempt at facing up to the fact that lions don’t in fact lie down with lambs (well, with zebras, hippos, giraffes and lemurs, to be pedantic), except occasionally when they’ve been conditioned, aren’t hungry and have been fed on someone else’s ‘personal’ meat. That’s a bold message to aim at kids. The film also had a good shot at pointing up the marvellous biodiversity of Madagascar itself, even if David Attenborough would have made a better fist.
It’s not the only childrens’ film to push these real-life issues, although tons don’t. As I remember, ‘Bambi’ had moments of nature red in t & c.: the raging forest fire, and the mortal enemy “Man”. He learned that from whom? His mother, Faline as it happens (no I didn’t look her name up, I remembered it from the age of about 8 or 12). The way those moments were conveyed on the screen hit home quite terrifyingly to one small, imaginative boy: me. Cutesy? Make me laugh!
The fact that I can remember films such as ‘Snow White’, ‘Pinocchio’ and ‘Bambi’ with such pure clarity as a treasured part of my childhood memory speaks for itself to me. I hope you aren’t going to turn round and tell me I’m a sentimental fool with no critical facilities. If so you’d better do the same to Maltin, Halliwell and the ‘Guardian’ critic who compiled ‘1000 films to see before you die.’
Why are you so angry? Calm down and consider a little more calmly and objectively, instead of just wanting to kick shit of everything that ever bore the name of Disney from ‘Plane Crazy’ onwards. Disney (corporate) is like Beethoven, the works and attendant philosphy could easily and justifiably be split into periods. These periods are not all to be lumped together and judged in the same breath. You owe your fine intelligence more than that I believe.
Apropos. By pure co-incidence I just happened to read by chance a surprising encomium about the Disney propaganda contribution to WW2 (No jokes from you about in favour of the Axis powers, please!), as mentioned by another recent poster just above.
However, I don’t want to go on and on in heavy vein here. If you are expressing a personal opinion, or stating your own taste, “I hate all Disney”, fair enough, that’s your privilege. But please don’t expect the rest of us to accept such ‘extreme prejudice’ as objective criticism. There is more of that here in the postings of some who actually enjoy some Disney. Sure, there is plenty to splat Disney with from over the years, but you will not make the required criticism count if you are unselective. And as I’ve already stated above, in my opinion there is a whole stinking trash can full of modern cynical child-corrupting crap that could use your attention well up the list before Disney. Or perhaps you’ve had the good fortune never to see or be aware of any of that?
July 14th, 2008 at 11:05 pm
segue,
My protestant work-ethic finally caught up with me today. (Wow, and in a catholic country too!) Anita and I went to the big bad city for a consultation about a book we’re supposed to be co-authoring.
Eyes propped open with matchsticks, I’m desperately reading through all the posting to find out what’s relevant. Despite the above I-trust-good-natured disagreement, I’m grateful Randall saved me by proxy from getting involved in the great U.S. presidents’ rumble. I’m also rather shocked to find myself accused of totally avoidable running over a small, innocent child on my bicycle many. many years ago, something I suppose I shall have to go back and address, if I can be bothered.
So thanks so much for helping me with ‘j’ problem (and to jfr too), which I shall leave for the moment, but will try to sort out when I’ve revised all the lists.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:47 am
what about any of the older classic kid’s movies? i feel like whoever wrote this was born yesterday.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:51 am
No Star Wars…?!?!?!
July 15th, 2008 at 3:03 am
Anything Disney should be on here.
And @ Milander: Star Wars? Definitely NOT aimed at kids. At all. While kids may like it, I’d say its more of a general audience/sci-fi/nerd sort of thing. Which is awesome.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
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178. CRSN
Simple analogy:
work = money = spend
not: spend = work = money
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CRSN: I wish every idiot who cries “foul” and blames the “system” and “advertising”, and has to declare bankruptcy would be obliged to have that tattooed on their forehead!
No one, and no amount of advertising, can make an intelligent individual spend money they don’t have on things they don’t need.
Simple as that.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
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#183. Randall
Slick:
But I’m so ANGRY….
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Randall: adjust your med’s
July 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
segue:
Yeah, that was a joke, seg.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
Randall (192),
Oh, Hell, and I fell for it just like Wile E under one of his own Acmes. The whole Disney creeping trench barrage is to wind-up we Bambi lovers, aint it?
July 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
You naughty little devil, Randall. Go and stand in the corner with Lisette.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
Spanner:
Look, if you want me to acknowledge Snow White as a great work, I will do so. Because of course it is. And it was historically important. Pinocchio and Bambi I’m not so fully behind, because they drip with more than a little of their own kind of sugary sweetness that, to my taste, goes over the top. I always thought so, even when I was a kid. But again, sure, I acknowledge those films have their strengths too… and largely, none of these fuck with the original story.
It’s more THAT last point that irks me about Disney, not so much the sweet sentimentality and crass commercialism (though I despise those aspects of the Disney product as well). Disney, it seems, went through phases… in the beginning, from Snow White up through, oh, say Dumbo or so, they stuck fairly close to a straightforward albeit overly-cutesy form. Nevertheless most of these films had their charm, and it’s those films that your film critic pals are citing (remember, though, the appeal to authority isn’t the best argument. I’m guilty of this myself sometimes, but I hardly hold Leonard Maltin, for instance, in very high esteem as a film critic. I’m a Dwight MacDonald/John Simon man myself). In the 50s on through the 60s, however, Disney seemed to have gotten into some soulless groove where most of the films were just lacking in even a heart. Pete’s Dragon, The Sword in the Stone and Robin Hood are the big examples of this. Cutesy treatments of stories that had little point, it seemed, beyond the idea of being merely cute.
With Little Mermaid on (excepting the Pixar efforts) you get films that seemed designed as sleek, box office cash cows—drained of soul but at the same time finely honed to make shitloads of cash. The story was damned–they threw story out the window–and went for the big spectacle. These are the blockbuster versions of animation. And they have the same things wrong with them (plus other things) that live action blockbusters are faulted for.
So there’s my answer. Do other companies also make drek? Sure. Tons of it. Don Bluth largely makes me sick, for instance. My kids hate Bluth films for the most part. Yet nothing done by any of these–Disney included–stands up to something truly great, such as The Iron Giant.
So there you go.
July 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Spanner:
No no no… I meant that my thing about “I’m so ANGRY” was a joke… not my thoughts on Disney. They’re no joke. I mean those.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
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186. Spanner in the worksj
My protestant work-ethic finally caught up with me today. (Wow, and in a catholic country too!) Anita and I went to the big bad city for a consultation about a book we’re supposed to be co-authoring…
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When this gets published you *have* to find a way to let me know the name so I can buy a copy!!!
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So thanks so much for helping me with ‘j’ problem (and to jfr too), which I shall leave for the moment, but will try to sort out when I’ve revised all the lists.
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No prob.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
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#192. Randall
segue:
Yeah, that was a joke, seg.
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It didn’t sound like you, Randall, but I’ve had a bellyfull of two posters who seem to have a god-complex, one ego, the other literal, and I just snapped.
I apologize.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
seg:
NOTHING to apologize for… Please… don’t be so glum. I have a huge sense of humor.
July 15th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
lalalalaaa Well I was just reading all the comments that’s it
How about the movie Sky High… I like it
July 15th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
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#199. Randall
NOTHING to apologize for… Please… don’t be so glum. I have a huge sense of humor.
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So I’ve noticed, on several occasions.
Thanks.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
190 Segue – i agree, it just doesnt help these days with over advertising, i dont blame “the system”, every individual is accountable for there actions. nuf said.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Randall (196),
I didn’t really doubt it. Bluff. Double-bluff.
I mean all mine as well. Shack urn are sonn goot. I’m hangng in with the critical and public consensus on my favourites. If ever you find yourself in a cinematic fahrenheit 451 situation, just leave a copy of each of them for me, please.
That’s all I ask.
July 16th, 2008 at 3:45 am
oy
Really loved wall-E…such a wonderful wonderful film:)
July 16th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
OMG i love the nightmare before christmas(L)
July 16th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
I should really blind-trust some of you listmakers more. We wasted three hours in town today trying to change a computer mouse. But the electronics section was showing ‘The Incredibles’ on a demo screen. Didn’t think it was something that would greatly appeal to us before that. Today we added it to our collection with joy!!! VHS, not DVD: alas, but as an offer at less than $4.00 US, who’s complaining?
July 16th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
Zathura? Goonies? How could they NOT be on this list? Two very well made, Kid Movies That Adults Will Love!
July 17th, 2008 at 6:59 am
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207. Damon Davenport
Zathura? Goonies?
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I think it’s likely a generational difference, DD. I’ve *heard* of Goonies without the slightest desire to see it; as for Zathura? I didn’t even know it existed.
If I asked my kids, who are 29, 30, 31, I’m betting I’d get the same answer. But If I talked to my husbands 17 yr. old granddaughter, she’s probably seen them.
July 17th, 2008 at 10:11 am
I love the debates people get into on this site. They keep me very entertained at work. :]
July 19th, 2008 at 5:36 pm
Randall,
I don’t know how it happened: I try to read through carefully, but I somehow missed your posting 195 here. So I’m chipping in late to thank you for a thoughtful personal reply and hope you’ll find this as you troll through LV. I’ll try to put a reminder in one of the recent postings too.
Left with just the story-line, indifferent animation, and no ‘Actor’s Life’, I’d perhaps judge ‘Pinocchio’ a little more severely myself. I never tried to give my own kids such a cutesy overall view of nature as represented in ‘Bambi’ either, although I lived the story as a child when I saw it, and don’t reckon it left any lasting over-sentimental stamp on my psyche. However, the animation of both of those was so brilliant, and there were so many wonderful episodes in them as well as in ‘Snow White’ that … well, I’ve already said it …
I would also claim that the lyrics and score of ‘Pinocchio’ were in a class of their own: another reason I rate it. ‘Snow White’ is much soupier musically overall, ‘Bambi’ yet more so.
I’m not sure whether it’s a valid point or just an excuse I’m making up (well, two points). As I remember them, those were grim times, with Hitler making life mildly unpleasant for all and sundry. Those films shone out like humane jewels in the darkness. Also kids had a somewhat different outlook on life and conditioning, although with Lewis Carrol, Edward Lear, the Brothers Grimm and so on, one could hardly claim children were not exposed to the darker side long before Disney arrived on the scene. Of course today’s context is a different ballpark.
We are agreed on the later stuff. All crap for you, bits and pieces at long intervals here and there for me, is my summary. There are always episodes of humour I can run along with personally.
By the way, Randall, I’m not intending to knock you for standing out against any tide, albeit of critics, public, or both. God, no. I thoroughly approve in principle, and try to follow that example whenever I feel sure I’m not simply trying to be different for difference’s sake. In essence I was trying to goad you into giving me answer I felt I hadn’t yet received, and which you have now kindly supplied.
July 21st, 2008 at 8:11 pm
It’s too bad that Little Manhattan wasn’t actually on the list,but honorable mention is good too,great list!
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:49 pm
Lion King!!
July 25th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Lion King and Aladin
July 25th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
I agree with the Muppet Movie and Spongebob. And maybe the Incredibles.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:54 am
What? No Toy Story, Enchanted, or even Kung Fu Panda?
August 9th, 2008 at 10:04 am
crimanon- its just a list… clam down! plus, not all kids are fat. they’re are some incredibly decent kids out there who care about nutrition. those kids and they’re fancy music playing machines and baggy pants!
August 10th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
I’d add Brother Bear to the list.
August 24th, 2008 at 9:52 am
why is ppl saying wall e is good it’s shit!!!!!! and boring
September 17th, 2008 at 9:22 pm
What about Finding Nemo? I yet to come across someone (including adults) who doesn’t love that movie.
September 19th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
I don’t agree with the SpongeBob Squarepants. Just about every adult I know loathes the series. It warmed my heart to see Who Framed Roger Rabbit. Same thing with Nightmare Before Christmas. Other than SpongeBob Squarepants, I think agree with everything. I would’ve put Finding Nemo like a lot people have been saying. There’s probably something better that could have been added, but all I can think of is PG13 movies I watched when I was younger. As far as what I think in regards to the whole Disney discussion I think it sort of is important for a child to watch sugarcoated pieces of fluff, so that they might be a bit more optimistic about the world. I mean, I know you can’t sugarcoat the world, but I loved watching Disney films when I was younger and they always left me with a feel-good family type of feeling that the Disney movies are famous (Or infamous) for. I think a lot of the more recent Disney movies are crap, however. Wall-E was amazing, though. Loved it to death.
October 2nd, 2008 at 9:21 am
NBX is the best kids’ movie of all time.
October 5th, 2008 at 7:01 pm
Nightmare Before Christmas is absolutely brilliant but then again anything Tim Burton does is brilliant (albeit not always suitable for young kids).
As a kid I loved loved loved Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (I wanted to indulge my inner Veruca) and The Wizard of Oz. As an adult I am always amazed by other adults who say they hated The Wizard of Oz. Must be the flying monkeys.
Now that I have kids I groaned at the thought of having to watch that sappy Disney Princess shit. But guess what? They loved The Sandlot, School of Rock, How to Eat Fried Worms, Ratatouille, Kung Fu Panda and Nanny McPhee. And I personally loved a scene in Nanny McPhee where you get a great view of Colin Firth’s butt as he runs from his work to his home to see what his naughty kids are doing. Lol. That’s the beauty of a lot of kids movies these days-there’s a lot of adult humor that goes clean over their heads. Something for everyone!
October 11th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
I have to add Harriet the Spy was a very enjoyable, well done kids movie, too.
October 16th, 2008 at 6:18 am
Spongebob… ah!
The only other cartoons that could make me split a gut like that was Bugs Bunny/Daffy Duck (Daffy Duck=God).
Nightmare Before Christmas is just gorgeous… visual candy.
November 12th, 2008 at 5:04 pm
Being a child myself, I have barely an attention span for movies, so I am quite angry at myself for not finishing Nighmare.
I see Shrek as an HOnorable Mention and I think that should have been in but the others are so great or I haven’t seen them so I don’t know in place of what.
I have yet to see Wal-E but that is something I definitely aspire to do around Christmastime.
But anyway I count The Incredibles as one of my all time favorite movies.
November 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pm
Ehh… spongebob is cool and all… i love him, but uhh… the movie (no offense) wasn’t as good as the tv episodes. So really i agree with all the list except for that.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:40 am
..Are you kidding me?! Where is SHREK, it is simply one of the best comedy films I have ever seen. It is helarious!
Then, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, by all means it is one of the best children movies of the 20th century. Should have been at least mentioned as a bonus-film.
November 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am
Oh yes and I think Harry Poter (the first two at least) are a honorable mention.
December 5th, 2008 at 6:48 am
I cant believe that neither of the toy stories are up there! thats great humour!
December 5th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
i love the sponge bob squer pants movie
December 5th, 2008 at 9:53 pm
i love does movies
December 8th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Labyrinth-this was my 16 year old daughter’s favorite when she was 3 years old. Surprised me since I thought it might be frightening for someone so young but she loved it. Must be genetic-she has been showing it to my grandaughter (5) since she was 3.
Beauty and the Beast-saw that in the theater when my 8 year (now 25) old was asked to the movies by a boy and his mom and I went along. Great movie. When I saw the credits and realized the Beast was voiced by Robbie Benson I had to go back and see it again since I could not believe it was him.
December 13th, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Excellent list.
January 17th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
ah i love all of these movies and so do my parents. I cried at the end of sponge bob. haha
January 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Spongebob is ok for the 15 minute episodes but 1.5/2 hours of him and Patrick would make my ears bleed and my brain cells shrivel up.
I wouldn’t have included Ratatoullie or Incredibles in my list… I like them both but I think they’re to sedate in tone to keep a child’s attention span.
I would’ve included Monster’s Inc. I’m suprised no one’s mentioned that! It’s a relatable topic for many kids and adults who may have wondered about monsters hiding in the dark.
And perhaps on of the disney golden-age films… Lion King, Beauty and the Beast and the like… Had it been one or two movies, I doubt there’d be as big an anti-Disney movement as there is now. I’m not advocating it but as with any business, you find a formula that creates profit, and you’ll stick with it. As many people as there are that hate the formula, there’s probably twice that amount that still buy the merchandise. Now that Pixar has become a firmly-attached branch of Disney, it’ll go the same way. Anyone see Bolt? Decent enough but not quite up to Pixar standards. IMDB mentioned that Disney scrapped much of Pixar’s original storyline and did away with a lot of the voicework to bring in Miley Cyrus and John Trovolta.
January 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am
bs.. where’s shreck and madagascar?
January 27th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
wt about toy story 1 and 2 and soon 3
January 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Randall-
But I AM a cripple =) Wanna face my cane?
I know I sound like I shit rainbows. What can I say? I’m a female English major. It’s practically required. I think my point was that people love Disney movies because of the nostalgia, not the criteria that usually applies to good movies.
Big thing to remember? Though many animated movies hold appeal for adults, they are first and foremost aimed at kids. Kids like songs, easy stories, and happy endings.
Though I wouldn’t mind writing PR blurb for Disney (it probably pays better than working in a daycare), I don’t. I dislike a lot of the new crap that Disney puked out over the past 5 years. Look at the new waste of animation “Tinkerbell”. Did the writers ever see Peter Pan? Tink was a jealous bitch in a skirt that would make a ho blush. She is not a sunshine and lollipops kind of girl who just wants to make friends.
The most recent (and upcoming) theatrical releases from Disney (Enchanted, Princess and the Frog) make me excited.
OH! OH! GUESS WHAT? PRINCESS AND THE FROG HAS THE MOM IN THE PICTURE! HA!
I’m sorry. My inner 10 year old popped out =)
SlickWilly- Despite my nickname, I am actually a girl. =)
January 27th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Randall-
Oh, and while I do know that Lion King is a pop version of Kimba the White Lion… The plot is still Hamlet. Well, a Hamlet where the cast doesn’t all die at the end.
To be fair, Billy stole his stories too.
January 28th, 2009 at 7:56 am
lion king and alice in wondeland!
February 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
wall-e does not qualify for this list..its not for children…it is for special children…LOL…the sound of wall-e sucks…waaaaallllll eeeeee…grrrrrrr
February 16th, 2009 at 1:32 am
oh i love the Iron Giant, one of my favourite movies ever.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
this is def an incomplete list.. What about the labyrinth
February 19th, 2009 at 11:00 am
have you ever seen Flushed Away? brilliant!
March 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
What No Fraggle Rock!!!!!!!
March 17th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Hook, Toy Story, Aladdin, Emporers New Groove, The Goofy Movie, Harriet The Spy…Hook, Hook, Hook.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Wall-E mot assuredly should be at the top of this list, and I agree that Hook deserves a spot here.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 am
The Nightmare Before Christmas falls far short of everything on this list. It is short, forced, and without anything to hold an adult’s attention(the movie was one of my favorites when I was 8, but falls flat now-just like Beetlejuice-also Tim Burton).
A Goofy Movie should have been number one, Shrek should have been top 5, without a doubt. Toy Story is painfully overlooked, and what about “The Great Mouse Detective”? Sherlock Holmes as a mouse-quite good.
Anyway-Spongebob the best cartoon character since Bugs Bunny? Hardly. Spongebob is(and remains) a child/stoner’s dream. He’s dumb, energetic, and gross(a poor replacement for Ren and Stimpy), but by no means is he a great cartoon character. It may have been on for 10 seasons(i have no idea why) now, but length doesn’t equal good. The Muppet Movie was not intended as a child’s movie, doesn’t belong on this list.
Also, another great one that’s aimed at preschooler’s-Blue’s Big Musical Movie. That still entertains me to this day.
Best cartoon character since Bugs Bunny? Couldn’t tell you, but it’s not Spongebob.
July 17th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
THANK YOU FOR INCLUDING THE SPONGEBOB MOVIE!!!!!!!
In my opinion Spongebob Squarepants is one of the all time great cartoons EVER!!!!!
August 6th, 2009 at 8:29 am
nightmare before christmas?? i dont even know any kids who like that let alone adults. Shrek and Toy Story notable ommisions
August 26th, 2009 at 4:41 am
I THINK THat the best kids movie is spy kids2 and drop dead fred
August 30th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Where’s Shrek I, II, and III? Where is Finding Nemo?
September 6th, 2009 at 8:52 am
@BlackYamiCat (46): @C-Girl17 (216): @alexishaider (241):
September 13th, 2009 at 10:26 am
“Bolt” is great, really not 4 kids.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
bolt is the best aswell as barbie and teletubies and bob he builder im a big fan ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
October 1st, 2009 at 1:34 pm
is there a teletubbies movie? awful cartoons.,,
i love Bolt and Up.,,
October 15th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
i love Monsters Inc. that should be on here.
was Roger Rabbit actually a kid’s movie though? i am ssure it was classed as a PG( uk classification) and was designed for adults in mind.
love wall-e and nightmare before christmas,fantastic films! hate all spongebob cartoons.
October 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
oooh and the little mermaid! and what about beauty and the beast?
a bugs life was brilliant! labyrinth also.
October 20th, 2009 at 1:59 am
Roger Rabbit isnt a disney movie..
October 20th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Nvm, I am mistaken. I could of sworn it wasn’t, though.
November 6th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
awesome choices!
November 7th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
The best part of Spongebob Squarepants movie was the fact that there was part of a David Lee Roth song in it lol
November 8th, 2009 at 4:46 am
shrek should definitely be number one, without question. find me one person (adult) who hasnt cried laughing, or misquoted some part of it ..
also (as has been said) i cant believe finding nemo & bambi aren’t there ..
charlotte’s web is beautiful (the original) and def deserves an honourable mention.
but how is the list complete without cars? i know grown adults, blokey types in their 20s who specifically requested cars to watch
also, i ADORE harry potter, probably more than most kids i know! (im in my 30s) ..
November 15th, 2009 at 6:51 am
I love Mrs Doubtfire…
November 19th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
I think that BOTH of the Madagascar films should be up there, my whole family LOVES THOSE,
Also, All three Ice Age films, those are good for the whole family as well.
But a series I am SHOCKED isn’t up here is… SHREK! Especially the first one! I mean, it’s a classic!