This is a list of facts and anecdotes that have a science-related slant. They are items of trivia that people all seem to know and share whenever the opportunity arises. But, at the List Universe we like to get our facts straight – and the items on this list are all dead wrong! Enjoy our thorough debunking of some of the silliest facts attributed to science.
False Fact: A scientific study on peanuts in bars found traces of over 100 unique specimens of urine.
After rigorous searching for more information, it turns out that no scientific study (or non-scientific study for that matter) has ever been conducted in to peanuts at bars. However, there was a study in ice-cubes in UK bars in 2003 which discovered that 44% of ice cubes tested contained coliform bacteria – bacteria that comes from human poop. Even more shockingly, 5% were infected with the potentially deadly E. Coli bacteria. I guess that proves that they aren’t making their ice cubes from bottled water. So, next time you are in London, pass on the ice and enjoy some peanuts instead.
False Fact: Elevators have killed or can kill when their cable snapped
There is a small element of truth to this “fact” – but we will get to that soon. Firstly, elevators usually have a minimum of four operating cables, as well as an inbuilt braking system and a backup braking system in the shaft which forces a wedge into the shaft to prevent too rapid a drop. If the cables were all to snap (and believe me, elevator cables are strong), the cars braking system would detect the free fall and automatically apply. If that also fails, the shaft’s braking system takes over. Now, the small element of truth I mentioned earlier is that there has been one recorded account of a complete elevator free fall; it was caused by an airplane which crashed into the Empire State Building in 1945. The crash caused the cables in the elevator to be weakened – ultimately leading to them breaking. The person riding the lift (Betty Lou Oliver) survived the 75 floor free fall because of air pressure beneath the car.
False Fact: You can’t fold a piece of paper in half more than 7 times
This is one we all hear regularly – and we believe it because it is true when we tried it. But, in 2002 a US high school student Britney Gallivan proved it wrong by folding a piece of thing gold leaf more than 7 times with the use of tweezers. To further prove that it could be done, she bought a giant roll of toilet paper on the internet and her and her family took it to the local mall where they attempted to fold it more than 7 times. Seven hours of folding later, they had it folded into 12 folds.
False Fact: Elephants are the only mammal that can’t jump
First of all, just so you know, it is true that adult elephants can’t jump – if by jumping we mean the state of having no feet on the ground at the same time after propelling oneself from a stationary position. But contrary to the popular myth that it is is the only mammal that can’t, it is joined by a few others. Firstly, the sloth is unable to jump which suits its lazy lifestyle rather well. Also, rhinoceroses and hippopotamuses also cannot jump, though unlike elephants, when they run it is possible for them to have all four feet off the ground.
False Fact: One dog year is equal to seven human years
This bogus fact is usually worked out so that a dog life is equal to a human life in total years, but the numbers just don’t add up. The average human life expectancy is 78, while the average dog life expectancy (in false dog years) would equal around 90 years. Furthermore, different dog breeds have dramatically different life expectancies, ranging from a short 6 years to 13 or more years (in general, the smaller the dog, the longer its life expectancy). Furthermore, dogs have a very short “childhood” and a very long middle-age, making the comparison completely invalid.
False Fact: If someone wrongly advertises goods for the wrong price, they have to sell it to you at that price
This is a very popular misconception and I have even seen people arguing about it in a shop. But the reality is a little more bland. A shop price is an “invitation to bargain” not an “invitation to buy”. This is true in the United States, United Kingdom, Commonwealth nations, and probably the rest of the Western world. If a shop makes a mistake, they can simply continue to sell the goods at the normal price. Attempts to defraud by advertising lower prices are caught in other consumer laws. However, it should be noted that if an electronic transaction is completed you may be eligible to keep the goods if a mistake is made.
False Fact: NASA invented the DustBuster
First of all, how do you vacuum in a vacuum? You don’t, so why would NASA need a vacuum cleaner for its space missions? It didn’t, but what it did need was a small battery powered drill, so they teemed up with Black and Decker to come up with the perfect device. Once the device had been realized, Black and Decker were left with great technology from which they eventually developed the DustBuster and other useful home devices.
False Fact: Polar Bears are left handed
Where this myth came from is now lost in the dark recesses of history. The widespread of this misnomer is quite extraordinary with more google results announcing it as gospel than not. But in reality, scientists who have spent their working lives studying polar bears have found that they are actually ambidextrous (they use both hands equally well). It is possible that the myth was started when people observed the bears working well with their left hands, but they neglected to notice that they also worked well with their right.
False Fact: No two countries with McDonald’s franchises have ever gone to war.
This theory was proposed by Thomas Friedman and became massively popular all around the world. It was used to show that countries loving democracy (those most likely to have a McDonald’s franchise) have lived peacefully together due to the merits of that political system (this is also called the Democratic Peace Theory and the Golden Arches Theory of Conflict Resolution). Friedman proposed it in his book The Lexus and the Olive Tree. So, is it true? No. Georgia and Russia were recently at war with each other and both have McDonald’s. Furthermore, Israel and Lebanon also defy the theory for their conflict in 2006, and right after the book was published, NATO bombed Serbia – again disproving the idea.
False Fact: The Great Wall of China is the only manmade structure visible from space.
Well this is wrong on many levels. Firstly, while you are still close enough to earth to actually see the great wall, you can also see road networks, and other large objects created by man. There is, in fact, no distance from earth in which you can only see the great wall. By the time you get a few thousand miles away, you can see nothing manmade. Astronaut Alan Bean said:
“The only thing you can see from the moon is a beautiful sphere, mostly white (clouds), some blue (ocean), patches of yellow (deserts), and every once in a while some green vegetation. No man-made object is visible on this scale. In fact, when first leaving earth’s orbit and only a few thousand miles away, no man-made object is visible at that point either.”
Contributor: JFrater






















February 4th, 2009 at 1:54 am
“You can see an awful lot from space,” says astronaut Ed Lu, the science officer of Expedition Seven aboard the station. “You can see the pyramids from space, especially with a pair of binoculars. They are a little difficult to pick out with just your eyes.”
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/visible_from_space_031006.html
February 4th, 2009 at 1:58 am
Mine was the first substantive comment… venom’s wasn’t really a comment.
Btw, from same link:
“‘You can see the Great Wall,’ Lu says. But it’s less visible than a lot of other objects. And you have to know where to look.”
However from the context it may also be based pn binoculars.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Great list
I love things like this, mainly so that I can be a smart-ass with my friends..
(and then I wonder why I don’t have all that many friends.. hmm..)
February 4th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Huh, I’d never heard the paper thing before.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:08 am
cool list..agree!!
February 4th, 2009 at 2:10 am
Turtles can’t jump, and neither can snails..
February 4th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Great list!
February 4th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Turtles and snails aren’t mammals!!!
February 4th, 2009 at 2:40 am
The Peenuts one just made me wince a little. Ew..
February 4th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Photoshopped!
February 4th, 2009 at 2:45 am
That dog in number 6 is HUGE. I’m sure the owner could fit her head in its mouth.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Turtles, tortoises, snails, slugs, centipedes, millipedes, earthworms…surely none of these can jump?
February 4th, 2009 at 2:48 am
I’m gonna have to ask for your source on number 8.
I’ve always heard the fact as ”fold a sheet of standard office paper in half more than seven times.” (It is accurate, I dare you to disproof me).
Plus I can’t seem to find anything on the mysterious Brittany Gallivan.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:49 am
ahhh…mammals. Forget that then.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:58 am
I’d only heard 4 of these before. I knew the one about folding paper was wrong because they did it on Mythbusters – you just need a REALLY big sheet of paper.
Number 5 was the only one I actually thought was true so I looked it up and this is what I found on the Irish website citizensinformation.ie:
“This act (Consumer Protection Act 2007) also covers claims about prices. Actual prices, previous prices and recommended prices of goods and services must be stated truthfully. Where a price is stated it should be clear what particular item it relates to. It should be the total price and there should be no hidden extras. If a retailer makes a mistake the buyer does not have the right to demand that the goods be sold to them at the marked price.”
If prices must be stated truthfully then why does the retailer not have to sell it at the stated price? Makes no sense to me!
February 4th, 2009 at 3:03 am
17 is a good number
February 4th, 2009 at 3:06 am
Jorge: sorry – the error was in my spelling, her name is actually Britney Gallivan and here is the Wikipedia article on her which describes her achievement, furthermore, here is another link that describes what she does and includes a photo of her and the paper.
February 4th, 2009 at 3:35 am
“Invitation to treat” is the English term, but I believe I am right in saying that only covers items where there is no price listed (there was an English case on it involving a knife).
If the price is listed I think it is considered an offer, for the purposes of contract, and if someone takes it to the till then they are accepting it. Ish.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:07 am
In Britain if any offer or price is left up on an item they have to sell it at that price, well the only place i have noticed it is the co op but not any small stores, i’d imagine it isnt really law, just customer service.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:21 am
So was the McDonald’s theory was true at the time the book was written? And since when has NATO been a country?
Otherwise, a very interesting list. I’ve believed most of these at some point, but am slowly chipping away at errors. I’m sure I hold many more. I’m human. I’m fallable.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:32 am
Hi guys – first time poster here – be gentle!
To jiminut – There’s a big difference between ‘from space’ and ‘from the moon’.
Space starts where the earth’s atmosphere effectively ends. That’s around 100km. The moon is on average 37,000km. Then angular size of objects varies proportionally to the distance (for small angles) and you can use Rayleighs criterion (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/Hbase/phyopt/Raylei.html) for resolution to get an absolute maximum estimate for the distance at which the eye can resolve something. (It’s an excercise I did with a friend to solve this argument some time ago
)
Manmade objects CAN be seen from space, but not from the moon, but that’s pretty much what JFrater said.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:46 am
@jiminut
The Space Station is a lot closer to earth.
See: http://www.heavens-above.com/orbitdisplay.asp?satid=25544
Bean said:
“In fact, when first leaving earth’s orbit and only a few thousand miles away, no man-made object is visible at that point either.”
February 4th, 2009 at 4:53 am
Nice list, but, is anyone else concerned about the number of mis-spellings?
February 4th, 2009 at 4:56 am
MacDonald’s is dead. Long Live Starbucks! They are secretly taking over the world one cup of coffee at a time
February 4th, 2009 at 4:58 am
no 4 “First of all, how do you vacuum in a vacuum? You don’t, so why would NASA need a vacuum cleaner for its space missions?”
Come on now. There is air, not vacuum inside spacecrafts. And there is probably dust made of skin flakes, food particles and whatnot. So a vacuum cleaner could be useful out there.
Love the lists!
February 4th, 2009 at 5:37 am
What the heck is with that dog? It loooks like a giant puppy! Great list btw.
February 4th, 2009 at 5:49 am
A nice list. I like writing down facts and I really dislike falsified facts.
February 4th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Good list. Similiar to #5, my favorite “wrong fact” is that “the customer is always right”. I worked for years in retail and had to explain to many customers how wrong they actually were.
February 4th, 2009 at 5:59 am
@22 & 23, thanks for the clarification. I re-read the item and that is exactly what it says. Funny how things make more sense with a few hours sleep. For what it’s worth, my gut says that the pyramids would be more visible than the wall from a higher distance.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:14 am
I strongly recommend everyone checking out Qi. If you haven’t heard of it, it’s a quiz show dedicated to this very topic and absolutely hilarious. You can watch it on youtube. I’ve learnt so much from it, like there’s no such thing as a panther, the orangey bit in jaffa cakes is made from apricot and there were 14 commandments given to moses.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:18 am
25. cymraegbachgen87 – Then why are they closing stores?
February 4th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I’ve never heard about the McDonalds thing, but I studied the Democratic Peace Theory at university and from what I understand, the idea that “no true democracy have ever fought another true democracy” still holds strong.
According to Freedom House:
Russia is not a true democracy
Lebanon is not a true democracy
As for Serbia, at the time of the bombing it was a dictatorship not a democracy
February 4th, 2009 at 6:52 am
PWH, you’re right about the typos:
#10: “peenuts”
#8: a piece of “thing” gold leaf
February 4th, 2009 at 7:05 am
“Peenuts” is obviously a play on words…considering that it has to do with urine. Funny!
Didn’t hear the one about the polar bears. That was a weird one.
Love the list!
February 4th, 2009 at 7:38 am
No dry square piece of paper can be folded symmetrically more than 7 times.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:45 am
chocmilk (34) peenuts is a pun.
I knew polar bears were really black and they covered their noses when they hunt but I’d never heard they were left handed, and now I guess I’m fine never having heard it.
And if its true elevator don’t free fall I guess I don’t have to worry about jumping at the last second to save my life. What a big weight off my shoulders.
February 4th, 2009 at 7:46 am
but dogs CAN look up!
February 4th, 2009 at 7:47 am
josh: brilliant
February 4th, 2009 at 7:50 am
i had an argument with a customer about number 5 once lol
February 4th, 2009 at 7:52 am
this story is similar to #10 and it is true.
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f94/fast-food-restaurant-toilet-water-cleaner-than-ice-167227/
a junior high girl’s science fair project was to test the bacteria content of toilet water versus the ice machine at local fast food restaurants. you can only guess her results if it made the national news.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:12 am
I’m sorry but you lost me at #10
NOT making their ice-cubes from Bottled Water is why they’re bad?? PLEASE, fucking people like you are the reason that there are still idiots out there who believe bottled water is somehow amazing for you…it’s not! It’s no better/worse than most tap water! All you’re doing is paying 500% more for the very same water you could be getting for free! And you’re adding tons of plastic waste to landfills which will be around long after we’re all gone. Idiot.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Hey,white men can’t jump..right?Or is that just a myth?
February 4th, 2009 at 8:49 am
I believe the standard quip about the elephants is that they are the only animal that cannot RUN. In the true sense of all limbs being off the ground at the same time, this is true, they can’t. They just walk quickly.
Also, maybe the sloth just doesn’t like to jump. Have you ever seen a level 80 WOW shut-in who lives in their parents basement jump? I doubt it.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:51 am
E.coli is not necessarily dangerous unless it is of a specific strain. E. coli is normally found in your digestive tract and it’s presence in ice just shows that the water that was used to make the ice was in contact with human fecal matter. If the strain O157:H7, the same strain that was infecting spinach and other vegetables recently, was found in ice, there would be Ill people all over.
Also, ice cubes from bottled water would be more likely to have coliforms present because it is not filtered and sanitized as much as tap water.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Nice list !
So glad you cleared up the 7 year thing with dogs. I have known so many 14 year old dogs but have met very few 98 year old people. I also found it interesting reading about Betty Lou Oliver. Talk about having a bad day!
February 4th, 2009 at 9:36 am
@Peri – starbucks eventually have to close stores because they open so many that they saturate the local market and effectively canibalise their own stores until the opposition is suppressed. Then some of them close!
February 4th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Thanks, jfr.
I was able to tick off my personal list first thing this morning the requirement: ‘learn something new every day’.
Now for one of those smart-arse(ass), clever-clever remarks that spotty, adolescent schoolboys like to make.
Can a fact still be a fact if it isn’t true?
“fact: thing certainly known to have occurred or to be true. datum of experience.”
Shurely ’supposed’ facts?
Another piece of Anon pedantry to ignore, since we all know exactly what’s intended.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Apparently here in brazil there is actuallly a law that if someone advertises two prices, they have to sell it for the lower price.
February 4th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I have heard stories and read stories about how human hair and nails continue to grow after death. You will be surprised how many people believe in this.
This is actually an illusion. As the body begins to dehydrate and shrivel, the nails extend further beyond the tip of the fingers. Similarly, the skin of the face shrinks and this makes the hair appear longer.
Thanks JF
Nice list.
February 4th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I used to have E. Coli back when I was a homeless rodeo clown but not any more. Now I am a world class magician !
February 4th, 2009 at 10:42 am
hippos can’t bend their knees
February 4th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I agree with the #8 myth as it is written. However, the original fact is that you can’t fold a standard sheet of 8.5″ x 11″ paper(or A4 paper) directly in half more than 7 times by hand an unaided. That is true and millions of people have tried. Yes, you can certainly fold any sheet of paper more than 7 times in half if it’s large enough. Britney and Mythbusters are violating this fact by increasing the size of a the sheet to be folded. Good for them to prove the “any” size paper myth incorrect. That rocks!
You will never get a debate from me about “any” sheet of paper. That can be done, but you can’t fold 8.5″ x 11″ or A4 paper in half more than 7 times.
Great list.
February 4th, 2009 at 10:44 am
lol sorry i dint think that would post but ye i went to malawi with my school and when i was on safari we had to stay in huts that were off the ground so hippos couldnt get in. the teachers’ huts didnt have steps tho lol, i was just waiting for one of them to have a friendly visitor in the night…
February 4th, 2009 at 10:45 am
N°5 in France is true in a self service shop.
You have the right to buy at the price advertised on the shelves, even if the shop made a mistake. But there is a limitation: the mistake should not be obvious (If you see a Flat-TV screen for 20€ instead of 2000€, forget it!)
February 4th, 2009 at 10:46 am
The person writing this list seemed a bit tipsy with their spelling errors and strung out sentences. Although there were some interesting facts, most of it was rubbish. McDonald’s wars? Please.
February 4th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Yes, if you advertise a product at a certain price, you have to sell it at that price unless you say something along the lines of “starting at…” and then you can place only one item at that price and all the others much higher. I *think* what this is referring to are items found on a sale rack that should not be there. Many customers will claim that since they found it there, that is what they should pay. Unfortunately for them, this is not necessarily the case. Many people will walk around a store with different items and drop them off pretty much anywhere which is what confuses the next person to come along.
PD – Sorry if that rambled a bit but I am in a huge hurry and I really wanted to post!
February 4th, 2009 at 11:25 am
Awesome List. I was very impressed with the things you have caught. I normally dont comment on lists, but I very much enjoyed this one.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Boyohboy, jf, I laughed so hard at “peenuts” I just about did…
Re: the dog years item. Yes, small dogs do tend to live much longer lives than large dogs, but there are exceptions. I had a Border Collie, a beautiful Sable/black/white, who lived for 15 1/2 years. She was incredibly active, running, jumping, herding the birds, squirrels, and neighbors at every opportunity. When she was a young dog, there was a herding for pay ranch near us in L.A., and I would take her once a week…until I realized she was perfect at herding as long as I was running next to her.
I knew most of these facts, but the list was so beautifully put together, and so funny, that it made my morning!
Thanks.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:27 am
#10- I still think that the peanuts at a bar are going to have urine on them. It just makes sense. If you have a couple of slobs drinking all day and eating peanuts out of the public peanut bowl on the bar after they urinate every 30 mins, there has to be urine in there. Maybe not 100 different types or whatever you say. I would only eat the peanuts if they have a shell still on them.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Growing up and living in Alaska you hear ALOT of silly “truths” about polar bears/moose/walrus/natives. I can honestly say I have NEVER heard the myth about left handed polar bears though. Sure I’ve heard, even jokingly told a few tourists, silly things like how we live in Igloos and have pet wolves and polar bears for protection and warmth in the winter months. Sure I’ve sent a few people in the wrong direction when they ask me where to find the “Eskimo reservation” (fyi there is now place to go and “watch real live Eskimos” here in their “natural state” we are not zoo pets damminit!). Never though have I heard the left handed thingy. Maybe that’s because I grew up knowing and watching them so I never saw them favor one paw more the the other. There is my bit. I new open the soap box to others!
Shibari Hime Out!
February 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am
In the last post of mine in the last sentence I meant I NOW open the soap box to others. Not new.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
@ Anna (52) Sure they can
http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_01/hippoSPL0706_468×297.jpg
February 4th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Comforting to know polar bears ain’t sinister.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Good list Jamie. For those of you concerned about the ice/bacteria fiasco – it’s not the water that is the problem, it’s the lack of hygiene. When the restaurant is busy the ice machine is always open the temperature goes down and bacteria can multiply. Ice machines are “supposed” to be emptied and disinfected once a week; this is rarely done, it’s a big job and is easily ignored. The bacteria, both e-coli and coliform bacteria are ubiquitous in our environment; the problems occur when they find niches in which to multiply. Like in the melty mess in the bottom of the ice machine. (I sold restaurant equipment for years; that’s how I know this stuff btw)
February 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
that dog is effing huge
February 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
When I was on a 4 week shoot deep in Mexico in the early 90’s, we were in an old colonial city that was not set up for tourists. As it was we ended up surviving on bread, the few safe fruits, beer, and tequila.
One day, our producer really, really wanted his drink colder than it was, so he dropped a couple of the ice cubes the bottles were sitting in into his drink.
He got sick. 6 months later he was dead.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
66: RP – yeah, I looked at that pic long and hard – still not sure if it hasn’t been diddled with. I have to say though, JFraters small forte is finding GREAT pics!
February 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
67: segue. I hear that it is a good idea to avoid buying ice in certain countries as they could be made from anything from badly water-treated tap water to river water, and even sea water. Sometimes, the ice in the ice buckets is refrozen over and over.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
69. Lifeschool: Yes, thank you. I knew that. Everyone on the shoot had been told that. The producer was just being…foolhardy. He did pay for his foolhardiness, but it was too high a price.
February 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
67. segue
Where in God´s name were you?! Well, at least that´s one good thing about tequila… You can drink at room temperature (not sure how the pics would turn out though…)
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65. Mom424
I guess that would be true in most “developed” countries but down where I come from, the ice is made from tap water and the tap water is not necessarily filtered…
February 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
“If someone wrongly advertises goods for the wrong price, they have to sell it to you at that price.”
Just as a side note, this is actually sort of true in some places. I work in advertising and before that retail. In British Columbia, Canada. If a store advertises something (either on the shelf or in a flyer) and the price is actually different when you try to buy it, they have to give you the product for free (if it’s under $10) or a $10 store credit (if it’s over).
We had to do a lot of training for this when it first came into effect because we thought people would take advantage of it.
After the first week pretty much everyone forgot about doing it. You can still get it done at large retail stores in BC if they have a manager who knows the law…
February 4th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
GTT, Segue; You are correct, I should have specified North America and Europe. I wouldn’t drink the water in any form from Mexico, The Carribean, etc. Even if it’s safe for the locals, it isn’t safe for us. We haven’t the immune system to deal with their particular bacteria and parasites.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Like Ligeia(15), I saw the MythBusters’ version of the paper folding myth. They officially got 11 folds (true folds, by half, turn, half, repeat). As for that girl who folded toilet paper 12 times, that was a simple end-over-end fold, which does NOT qualify for the myth’s purposes. In fact, they did a similar end-over-end fold test on MythBusters which gave them even more than her 12-count.
Give me a sheet of paper the size of New York City, and I’ll fold it… how many times? Meh… don’t matter… it’s just NYC after all.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
71. GTT: Where in God´s name were you?!
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We were in the city and surrounding countryside of Zacatecas. I don’t know if, by now, they have become more of a tourist mecca, but in 1991/92 they were not.
We started the job in mid December, came home for Christmas and returned on New Years Eve, and stayed another two weeks in Z. then on to Cancun for a week.
That New Years Eve was the day the uprising in Chiapas began. So from that day on we had Mexican Army everywhere we went.
Interesting.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Great list, Jamie! Thanks!
February 4th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
My family’s dog, a Yorkshire terrier, turns 18 in a couple of months. He’s completely blind and deaf, and he can’t take stairs anymore, but he gets around just fine by smell and touch. He’s a cranky little guy, but I’ll hate to see him go.
February 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
segue,
When I did my military service in Cyprus as a 19/20-year-old, we went mad on fruit, but were so, so careful if it was eaten straight. I used to love water melons (sandias). One time, after eating one I got violent amoebic dys. I was raving for a night and a good bit of the following day (some here would claim I never recovered). I never suspected the melons, because of the protective rind. Then someone revealed that the local farmers injected them with water to make them weigh more and get a higher price from the RAF! (Or maybe it just a cunning form of EOKA terrorism, who knows?) We lived on a small wireless detatchment. I’d heard all sort of horror stories about the main military hospital. Luckily (or not) we had a laid-back watch sergeant who covered for me for several days until I could stagger around and just about get back to some sort of working state. The distance from our billets to the wireless building was a long, long walk … Luckily most of mny shifts were after dark!
From the start I had an instinct I needed to fill myself constantly with tepid, boiled, salty water. I also somehow knew what to eat, and gradually regained strength and health. When I was demobbed and used to travel abroad once a year, for a long time I got strong repercussion bouts. The bug was obviously still entrenched. Over time the bouts dwindled, and now I have a powerful resistance to most common stomach upsets.
Decades afterwards I related that tale to our then family doctor. She looked horrified and told me the worst thing I could have done was not to go to that awful hospital. My kidneys could so easily have been infected and damaged without medicaments. If they had been, I would have died in short order, like your director, but in any case long before the time I chatted with her.
Gulp. Just one of my 14-odd ‘lucky cats’ lives’.
Here endeth another tedious Anon anecdote.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I pursenelly hayt peeple what kant spel or what uses wrongly gramer.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
interesting :]
kudos.
February 4th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Oh wow, I remember everyone trying to disprove the paper folding bit in my Grade 9 French class. No one could get past six, alas.
February 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
The whole Law the McDonald’s Wars is kind of stupid, because Thomas Friedman never really proposed it as some sort of theory that it would never happen. He merely brought it up as an interesting point of how consumerism deters two countries from fighting, but in no way did Thomas Friedman expect the theory to hold true. You can see his response to people after the NATO bombing of Serbia in the newest updated version of The Lexus and the Olive Tree.
February 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Bigwig Rabbit (79):
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn’t mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh?
I solte tihs form teh itneernt.
February 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
fruitypeebils (82): it is a paradox
February 4th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
JayArr: This may be true, but the reason we can do this it that we have learned the words with the correct spelling in the first place.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
78. Anon: What a horrible thing to go through! I’m glad you inherently did the right things and recovered without lasting damage.
To be perfectly honest, the producer had a compromised immune system, so something like this was a time-bomb in waiting in those days.
Drat! He was the most intelligent, funniest, most compassionate person I’ve ever known. His death from an ice cube is one of the most tragic wastes I can imagine.
February 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
amishtlnbasintdiiariatsesenm
February 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
anon-
antidisastablismentarianism?
February 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
i meant antidisestablishmentarianism, of course
February 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Fact number five. In Canada (some places) if they wrongly charge you for an item under $10, then you receive it for free. At least, that is in some stores in the province I live in.
February 4th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
The thing with the paper is that it should be a sheet of paper… like out of a book or your printer, not gold atoms or toilet paper. TRY it it’s impossible.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Hey cool list!!
just an addition to number 2, Peru and Ecuador also went to war and they both have McDonald’s.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
88. Anon: oh that was good i almost pseisd myself
February 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
number 1 is the dumbest myth. And everyone knows that dog is photoshopped right?
February 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
JayArr That is funny. I’ve seen it before. Always makes me smile.
The other day I got orange chicken from the local deli section of a market. It was 1.21 lb, and the lady punched it in at $0.04/lb. I paid a nickel ($0.05) for dinner that night! Didn’t even notice until I looked at my receipt when I got home.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Iraq has McDonald’s. United States has McDonald’s.
February 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I am so glad that someone noticed that dog years are not equivalent to human years!!!
February 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Until recently I had been misusing the word “factoid”. Then wikipedia showed me the error of my ways.
‘A factoid is a spurious — unverified, incorrect, or fabricated — statement formed and asserted as a fact, but with no veracity. The word appears in the Oxford English Dictionary as “something which becomes accepted as fact, although it may not be true”.
Factoids may give rise to, or arise from, common misconceptions and urban legends.
The word factoid is now sometimes also used to mean a small piece of true but valueless or insignificant information, in contrast to the original definition.
As a result of confusion over the meaning of factoid, some English-language style and usage guides recommend against its use. Language expert William Safire in his On Language column advocated the use of the word factlet to express a “little bit of arcana”.’
February 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Very Interesting list. I especially like entry #5. I used to work in retail and had do deal with pricing issues, that’s what I get for taking a job selling stupid stuff to stupid people.
Does anybody here remember Vera Lynn?
Remember how she said that
We would meet again
Some sunny day?
Vera! Vera!
What has become of you?
Does anybody else here
Feel the way I do?
Hi Vera Lynn! Love ya babe!
February 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
What`s an orange chicken ?
February 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
bigsky (101) It’s a chinese dish made with chicken, orange zest and juice, and sesame seeds. Too sweet for me.
Hi MPW! Love back atcha Honey. XXXX
February 4th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
OK thanks I never heard of it. Is that a 200 lb Beagle on photo #6 looks like a world record to me. Maybe that should be added to top ten LV errors HA.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Sesame chicken is better than orange chicken, although orange chicken is very good!
I’m trying to fold a piece of paper in half more than 7 times. It’s too hard!
I’ve seen someone cut a piece a paper in such a way that they can fit their body through it. I’ve tried that too, its hard!
February 4th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Ever see that guy fit his body through the head of a tennis racket? Strings removed of course. That’s just not right.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
It’s embarrassing that anyone has ever believed that a naked eye can see the Great Wall of China from space. It is only 20-30 feet wide. That is like placing a piece of dental floss all the way around the bottom of the Sears Tower, then going to the top and saying, “Ooh, I can see it because it is so long.” It does not matter how long it is if it is not also WIDE enough to be seen. This just shows how illogically so many people think. An adult mind should understand this.
February 4th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Please fix the error to do with ‘Why would Nasa need a vacuum in a vacuum?’
I think it’s pretty clear.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Thanks Jamie this list was cool!! I actually have only heard of like two of these but still…
February 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
yeah, and i agree facts in the title should be “facts” cause of course they’re not real facts if untrue. semantics, semantics.
fun list jamie!
February 4th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
We all know that elevators only kill humans when one of us falls mistakenly in their path , by way of an open door on the wrong floor(13) or tripping into the open shaft, just enough to where the head sticks out and gets squashed like a watermellon.
Because thats what elevators really like to see happen.
human heads getting squashed like watermellons.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
lo, (89 & 90),
I was told when about 14 that was the longest word in the English language. I never forgot from that second on.
If that’s how you recognised it too, you’re disqualified!
Lowbrowfraterloglyngygolcglychillyndwogglylswannliliograph
I’ll make it even easier for you this time with a faint clue. If you don’t get it, cymraegbachgen87 surely will.
February 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
swampsnake, (94),
“88. Anon: oh that was good i almost pseisd myself”
You mean you nearly dianerd yourself?
February 4th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
That`s a town in Wales isn`t it ?
February 4th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch!
i cheated, i googled it (not having ever been to wales.)
and yes, i was familiar with the other word, but as astraya said, “the reason we can do this is that we have learned the words with the correct spelling in the first place.”
-not that i could spell it without help!
but i think our brains must recognize the root word to “see” it in the misspelling. fun stuff
February 4th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
bigski, (113),
You are indeed a scholar, sir!
lo, (114),
Correct. But I like mine better. It’s a cybervillage in Listverse Land! Don’t ask me how it translates either, or jfr will send Cyn round to knock some sense and respect into me. Hahaha.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
115. Anon -
‘..jfr will send Cyn round to knock some sense and respect into me.’
nah. no knocking of the sense/respect into you Anon. i seriously doubt there’d ever be a need. but ..i could forsee you knocking some sense/respect into some of these folks in these here parts. as you’ve so aptly been a’doing.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
re 72 Ninjaboy – Pricing Law
We have a similar law in Quebec. Better yet, the rules are posted at the cash.
This list barely scratches the surface of “Facts that Are Wrong”. There is so much more disinformation than truth.
In fact, I think the MacDonald’s effect (Democratic Peace Theory), is pretty close to the truth, in spite of the exceptions.
Also, the idea NASA inventing Dustbuster story has some truth in it since the core component, the motor, was an “offspring” of the program, like exotic ceramics, etc.
I’d love to see a list of more insidious “Wrong Facts”; 911 “truth”, fear of ordinary low energy electromagnetic radiation and well known substances, the ridiculous theories of naturopaths, chiropractors, and other witch doctors.
NIce list today, thanks
February 4th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
wikipedia has a discussion about the longest word at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_word
Because prefixes and suffixes can be added almost ad infinatum, it is possible to create words like “pseudoantidisestablishmentarianistically”, for example.
February 4th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
astraya, you’re amazing!
but i think once we go beyond prefixes and suffixes and get into new medical names of things (and really old welsh names of things?) it just gets out of hand, these are some crazy words! we can all google “longest word” and be left speechless (or at least pronunciation challenged.) i’m laughing
thanks y’all
February 4th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
cymraegbachgen87: with the economy as it is there is an ever ever dwindling chance that my husband I will be making a trip to France, Italy and Ireland and surrounding areas in 2010. I am definitely going to relearn my French, but I also wanted to learn Gaelic, and thought you might have advice on this idea. Would it be of any value? Would it be worth the trouble of learning?
I am good with languages, so I am not particularly worried about that part of it. Would it get me by in Ireland and Wales, or do they requires two different languages? I have the feeling I may be biting off more than I can chew, but it would do me good to try.
I really need your input here. Thanks in advance.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:04 am
segue-
i’m so jealous that you’re good with languages! trying to learn even one second language (spanish, i started at 27) is easily the biggest intellectual challenge of my whole life. and i’m (usually ) quite good with english (my mother tongue) -maybe that’ why it’s so hard? i always want to “translate” in my head, as opposed to really learning to think in new words. arrgh! frustration…
if you can learn gaelic just for travelling you will be my new language hero! you probably are even if you can’t
February 5th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Don’t waste your time learning Gaelic! Firstly welsh is an entirely different language and is arguably useful to learn but unless you’re from Wales it shouldn’t be in your top 10 langauges to learn. Gaelic is redundant and would have gone extinct long ago if it weren’t for the irish government’s funding of it. Everyone who speaks it also speaks English (except may a few people, but I think that’s child abuse! Imagine not being able to understand 99% of western culture!)and only one place in the whole of Ireland do people speak gaelic first. The amount of money spent on gaelic is ridiculous, if they instead spent it on educating people with science how much better off would the country be?
February 5th, 2009 at 1:38 am
what about “dogs can’t look up” (shawn of the dead)
February 5th, 2009 at 7:29 am
87. segue
“Death from an ice cube”…. If it weren´t so horrible I could almost laugh to imagine it on a tombstone…
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93. gabriel
I´m hoping you are from Peru my friend otherwise I´ll just have to bomb you, McDonalds or not!!!
February 5th, 2009 at 7:52 am
astraya (118) and lo (119),
Yeah, that’s why I was careful to say “that I was TOLD was the longest word in the English language”. I considered putting ‘alleged’, but even that seemed too solid! As one who had a bit of school German dinned into me (oh, if only I had segue’s natural gift now I’m living out of my natural lingual environment!) I know well enough about almost-infinite compound structures!
February 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am
I’m glad that most people don’t know that #5 isn’t true, I’ve gotten many a good deal from an incorrectly priced item. I bought my surround sound speakers, which were suppose to be $1500 for a meager $299 because of a computer price error. I didn’t even have to argue! Please delete #5 so we can keep the people ignorant so I can keep getting deals! I’m still waiting for that BMW 745i with the wrong sticker to come my way!
February 5th, 2009 at 7:56 am
GTT, (124),
I’m from Chile and we got accused by Peru of supplying Ecuador with arms at that time. At least no one managed to blame us for supplying either side or both with MacDonalds! Tee hee hee.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Are humans who have had both legs amputated not mammals? I ask you.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:15 am
To get right back on track after being partially derailed for a good while, I’m rather surprised by one absentee. The Mars Canals.
I might even even have expected them to take precedent over Nº1, the G.W. (We Brit’s had a splendid comedian called Max Wall, who used to refer to himself as The Great Wall of China. I saw him live once, but happily from a bit nearer than space.) I’m indebted to wiki for putting a bit of flesh on my existing knowledge:
They were ‘discovered’ in the latter 19th century by an Italian astronomer, Schiaparelli, and finally rejected some way into the 20th. Although apparently not originally proposed as artifacts, this idea was enthusiastically adopted by the influential British astronomer Percival Lowell. It is of interest that no one ’saw’ them the same, and many quite different ‘maps’ were drawn. Some astronomers did not see or record them at all. Also of interest is the suggestive factor behind the contemporary construction of the Suez and Panama canals (cf. UFOs and the space programme.) It is now widely accepted that flaws and imperfections in the existing optical equipment of the time were probably responsible.
There was notable ‘apostacy’. Wells didn’t include them in his ‘War of the World’s’, and one of my heroes, Alfred Russel Wallace, wrote a carefully considered paper negating the possibility of any form of life on Mars, let alone one capable of civilisations.
Nevertheless, a good deal of their importance comes from the considerable body of literature they have inspired or featured in, including such luminaries as Edgar Rice Burrows and Ray Bradbury.
February 5th, 2009 at 8:50 am
127. Anon
LOL… Yes, well, I´m watching you mister!!
February 5th, 2009 at 8:51 am
As a matter of fact,man’s distance from d planet called earth, is d only determining factor as 2 what we see or do not see.For at great distances from earth, even the ocean, clouds and d desearts will not b visible.
February 5th, 2009 at 9:46 am
The point has been made that the Wall of China is not very wide, and therefore even less likely to be visible. However, if you consider a long piece of fine cotton-thread on the carpet or floor, it is usually much more quickly evident than a random blob here and there which is wider. The reason being that the line of sight cuts across and picks it up readily. True enough that The G.W. is not visible far away from Earth for the UNAIDED eye. However, it might in all liklihood be the first historic sign of human civilisation picked up from beyond the atmosphere by fictitious ‘Third Rock Investigators’ with a bit of optical aid, as I have facetiously suggested elsewhere in LV.
February 5th, 2009 at 10:31 am
GTT, (130),
Well, bear in mind the motto on our national coat of arms (designed by an Englishman!): ‘Por la Razón o la Fuerza’ (by reason or force)!
Also the part played by Cochrane (Scottish!) in your independence.
We’ll tactfully allow a veil of forgetfulness to pass across few other episodes, saving perhaps mutual respect for the heroism of Prat and Grau …
What we really ought to do is get together on the soccer pitch and put these wretched uppity Brazilians and Argentinians in their place!
February 5th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Anon (133)
“Por la razón o por la fuerza”…. What a great motto…
Anyway, yes, I think Peruvians got the gist of the motto when Lima was ransacked…
It´s amazing that you still find quite a few people with a lingering resentment of all things Chilean. In fact, two of the biggest department stores here (where I currently work) are Chilean in origin and our competition is always using that against us. Their advertisements will literally claim “Compre Peruano!” (Buy Peruvian).
In any case, I´m with you on the soccer/futbol thing although I cannot say we´ll be much help… Peruvian futbol is more than just mildly embarassing…
February 5th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
GTT, (134),
Right now, yes. But like us you’ve had your World Cup moments and fine players (e.g. Norberto Solano). Didn’t Cuzco take the Copa Libatadores against the whole of South America’s best a year or so back too?
Some of our most memberable Andean plant-hunting took place in Peru during one shortish visit (Cordillera Blanca, El Misti, environs of Cuzco, etc.). We’d love to return. At whose expense though? Boo hoo.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Where on earth did the typo memberable come from, a Freudian slip, perchance?
February 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Astraya(86) Too true. I was, shall we say, feeling silly when I posted that.
February 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Vera Lynn(96) Heh! I’ll bet the bird weighed 4 pounds too! That would explain a lot. mmmmmm…..chicken!
February 5th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Anon:
LOL… Memberable, huh? I dont think I want to know what you did on that trip!
And as for the futbol, you are right. We have had some highlights… Unfortunately, most were a very long time ago and these days our players seem to only make headlines relating to paternity tests, late-night partying, etc. All well and good if we won anything but here we are, first country to be eliminated from the World Cup qualifyers… Fun!
February 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
MCDONLDS + STATE = DEMOCRCY HAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeah rght!
February 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
JayArr, (137),
“Too true. I was, shall we say, feeling silly when I posted that.”
No you weren’t, you were felineg slily.
It’ll follow you everywhere now!
February 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
#6: That has to be the largest Beagle ever!
February 5th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Good list!
February 5th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
No? Still haven’t fixed the ‘why would NASA need a vacuum cleaner?’
February 5th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Re the vacuum cleaner: But it’s not a vacuum inside the space craft. Things can still suck in there. They don’t (can’t) suck outside.
February 5th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Anon-There`s an article in Dec 08 National Geographic about Alfred Russel Wallace entitled The Man Who Wasn`t Darwin. If he`s your hero there`s a good article and outstanding photo`s. To me the article kind of hints that he came up with the TOE before Darwin or gave him the idea anyway.
P.S. I think that town in Wales with the long name was on one of these list.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Uh huh, yeah, best of luck to anyone who wants to try explaining #5 to an irate customer. If you do want to attempt it, let me know so I can sell tickets; people love a good fight!
February 5th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
121. lo: My family seems to have a strong language acquisition aptitude, it’s also strongly linked to maths, music, art, and creative writing. Some members have all of the abilities, others only two or three, but no one has less than two. I truly believe it’s genetic.
February 5th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Anon: Schiaparelli wrote (in Italian) about canali, which better translates as “channels”, which can be natural or ‘man’-made. Lowell either translated that himself, or was relying on someone else’s translation, as “canals”, which instantly suggests something artificial. With a moderately powered telescope and a dollop of “seeing” what he expected to see, he saw “canals”. There is also the suggestion that he was seeing the blood vessels in his own eyes. I’ve experienced something similar at the optometrists.
Early planetology is full of similar stories: Mercury keeping one face to the sun, Venus covered by oceans and perhaps harbouring primative life, the existence and fate of a planet between Mars and Jupiter, the ring (or rings, as they later found out) of Saturn and the size of its particles, the existence and size of Pluto (even as recently as 2006). And let’s not forget Uranus …
segue: I got maths and music, and have a reasonable ability in non-fiction writing, but sucked at art and never got the chance to study languages. I was talking to a South African English teacher here who grew up with an English mother and a Dutch/Danish father, learned Africaans at school and various native languages from friends. He’s now doing better at Korean than I am. He’s been told not to speak Korean to his colleagues or students: he’s there to speak English. He doesn’t let on how much Korean he understands, so finds out all the gossip and what they’re saying about him. I find that the odd bit of Korean helps get the students on-side, but it’s disheartening when I say something in Korean and they say “Huh?”. (I suppose I do that in reverse sometimes, most of the time, almost always. (My main grouch is that more Koreans speak English very softly.))
My understanding of Welsh in Wales and Gaelic in Ireland is that almost everywhere that a tourist is likely to go there will be English speakers. You would have to be dedicated or lost to find yourself anywhere with no English speakers. I spent half a day in Cardiff (hardly a hard-core Welsh area). From the train I saw the “Siop Rygbi” and at the station I saw a sign for “taksi”, and I thought “Oh, I can speak Welsh”, but it got harder from there. I saw a signboard at a restaurant advertising “faggots”, and I thought “Oh, I hope not”.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
It’s a old English/Welsh country food of some sort, by the way. Hooray for wikipedia: “a British meatball commonly made of pork offal”.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
bigski, (146),
Thanks, I’ll look that one out.
Actually Darwin didn’t derive anything from Wallace, and in fact came up with his idea first. However, Darwin was kind of analy retentive and shitting himself at the same time, even though that doesn’t make sense! In other words he wanted to work and work and work at the TOE, spending all the time he could co-ordinating evidence until he could find not a scrap more. That was the one hand. On the other he was socially rather timid (he left others to debate the subject in public), and understood what a bombshell his theory would be, especially to the prfoundly religious, and not least to Emma (his wife). In the end Wallace acted as a kind of trigger pulled by his friends (Huxley and Hooker), who warned him that if he didn’t publish after everything he’d put into the project, Wallace soon would. Darwin had scruples, but again his friends reassured him that he had thought of the idea first and independently, and had worked on it for far longer than had Wallace.
In the end a fair compromise was worked out whereby Darwin and Wallace published a preliminary joint scientific paper before Darwin’s book. The two remained good friends and colleagues for life. Wallace was from a much humbler background and later on had the misfortune to lose much of his savings. Thereupon, Darwin, Huxley and Hooker, men of means themselves, wrote to the Prime Minister (personal friend!) and obtained a handsome annual pension for Wallace.
February 5th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
GTT, (134),
“It´s amazing that you still find quite a few people with a lingering resentment of all things Chilean.”
No problems at all for us in Peru. You should try Bolivia though. The moment any of them discover one (in this case Anita) is Chilean, on goes the gramophone record: “When are you going to give us our sea back.”
Reminded me of those pathetic little cries of kids playing too close to the their neighbour’s fence: “Can we ‘ave our ball back, Missis?”
February 5th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
148. segue-
i’ve always believed some people have minds “wired” to process everything in the style of language or the style of mathematics.
out of your list i’m strong in all areas other than math (and new language acquisition.) i can do math, but always found it boring as questions have only one answer, and i neglected it.
i think you are right that some people genetically have “a gift” with languages. when traveling a met a 22 year old girl from the states who’d become functionally fluent in spanish after only 6 months. of course, this was in total immersion traveling south america with a spanish speaking boyfriend she met in mexico. literally every person i met who’d grown up speaking english and learned spanish as an adult told me the key was to have your boyfriend or girlfriend be a native speaker (preferably with limited english)! and i mean EVERY person
so maybe that’s the answer if you don’t have “the gift”
February 5th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
149. astraya & lo 153: I knew instinctively you were “arty” as well as scientific, and your theory, based on anecdotal evidence from traveling friends, sounds pretty much spot on…except for those with “the gift”. My son taught himself Korean in high school, then became fluent in Japanese, reading, writing, and speaking in Uni. He has perfect pitch, has amazing musical talent, has both art and writing talent and can do theoretical maths as easily as most people can add 2+2. He’s weird.
All this aside, I have decided that learning Gaelic is absolutely on my agenda. I’m going to do it even if the economy doesn’t allow us the trip. I don’t care that it’s hard, it seems like fun. I like fun.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
segue: About 6 weeks ago I had a dream in which one of my sisters was speaking Korean better than I was, which I thought was very unfair. When I woke up I realised that my subconscious was making her speak Korean better than me. My subconscious speaks Korean better than my conscious does.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
segue- from your comments on various lists here i gathered you’re now on the central california coast (unless i’m sleepily stupid right now, always possible.) but are you originally from the UK/EU? -”maths” and “uni” caught my eye?
how wonderful for your son! the reason i’m so jealous of the language “gift” is because of how valuable it is to be able to speak to people in their own language in our global world. listening and speaking about important things without a translator is pure gold in understanding people.
February 5th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
i disagree with this list whole-heartedly
February 6th, 2009 at 4:33 am
nah jj good list
February 6th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I hadn’t come upon ‘math’ before LV. Or perhaps I read but didn’t register. There seems to be no other term but ‘maths’ (short for mathematics) wherever I’ve been around long enough in the English-speaking world. Except in compounds such as ‘polymath’.
I came upon something similar in another specialised reference book recently. When considering anything but one type, it constantly used the word ‘musics’, which I have seldom been aware of as a plural before. I.e. classical music, but all the musics of the world.
I suppose I’ve instinctively ‘heard’ these words as being like the word ’sheep’: the form that I know being applicable equally to singular or plural.
February 6th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Anon (152):
I´ve never been to Bolivia and I have to admit, it´s not on my priority to-do list…
I did, however, once have an interesting experience while on a business trip to Buenos Aires. I was sharing a cab with a girl from Chile and our Argentine guide and we were just chatting on our way back to the hotel when we heard the driver groan. I made the mistake of asking him what the problem was and his response was “Oh great, a Peruvian…” Shocked as I was, it took me a second to react and in that moment, my Chilean colleague called him out on his rudeness to which he responded, “If there´s anything worse than a Peruvian, it´s a Chilean…”
Needless to say, we got out of that cab and refused to pay him.
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segue (154):
OK, now I feel bad about dropping my Italian lessons. I´m going to have to go back and retake those….
February 6th, 2009 at 8:34 am
See this video:
This man is describing a vacuum in spacecraft. Number 4 is wrong.
February 6th, 2009 at 8:56 am
GTT, (160),
And they expect the countries we live in to support their spurious claims to the Falklands, of whatever they call them in Spanish. Sounds like that deserves the single finger salute as practiced by Mr Bean!
February 6th, 2009 at 8:57 am
sorry … or whatever they call them …
February 6th, 2009 at 9:14 am
156. lo: I am a natural born citizen of the USA, but my mum was Australian and my first 3 years I had both my mum and her mum in constant attendance. Then from 4 to 7 I lived in Australia. All of that, combined with my mum and her circle of Aussie girlfriends, kept my vocab a bit Brit.
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155. astraya: If subconscious speaks Korean better than your conscious does, that sounds like good news. It means all you have to do is tap into your subconscious!
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160. GTT: molto bene!
February 6th, 2009 at 10:46 am
segue- aha, the aussie history totally accounts for it
anon- in the states we always call it “math” as in “i have math homework to do”. even though i’ve seen it plenty by now “maths” still sounds weird to to me every time, more than any other english variant, i don’t know why.
February 6th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
lo, (165),
I’ve repaired to my learned sources, both essentially based on British English, but one often taking transatlantic useage into accout.
The first point would seem to be the derivation: the Greek word mathematikos. That seems clearly to me the origin of our ’s’ ending. We have other equivalents though, such as physics, aeronautics and electrics, for example, which are universal ‘plural singulars’ I believe, as in: ‘physics is my study’.
The Concise Oxford Dictionary starts; “noun, plural (usu. treated as sing.)”
The Right Word at the Right Time: “Mathematics takes a singular verb when it means the academic subject or science. E.g. ‘Mathematics is my worse subject’ …. It takes a plural verb when it refers to the the mathematical figures or calculations involved in a particular estimate or project; E.g. ‘If my mathematics are correct that comes to $50 …”
I did vaguely wonder whether the singular referred to individual elements such as geometry, algebra, arithmetic, trigonometry, but apparently not. Plural and singular are just alternative cultural uses. No mention of ‘math’ is made by either of my sources.
February 6th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Anon- Thanks for the info.
February 6th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
anon- nice “math homework”
i didn’t mean how we use it in the states was more or less correct, just notably different. like mom/mum, college/uni, or our varying definitions of “pissed” or “sick”.
i love etymology! the author bill bryson (of the awesome “A Short History of Nearly Everything (2003)”) has a wonderful book “The Mother Tongue: English and How it Got That Way (1990)” it’s very good because he writes with both wit and knowledge.
he has another book “Made in America: An Informal History of the English Language in the United States (1994)” which is also quite wonderful. it’s really a history of the U.S. seen through the prism of how we talk, and it’s LOL funny (to word nerds like me, anyway). but i don’t recall either of them addressing the “math/s” divide.
check them out if you’re interested (admittedly, they might not be as interesting if english is not your first language, but i still recommend them highly.)
February 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
lo,
segue will tell you that ‘A Short History of Nearly Everything’ also happens to be one of my top recommendations. Snap! We have an intelligent friend in the UK who’s a Bryson freak and put me on to him long since. I’ve always intended to read more of his, but the problem is there’s a weight limit to the amount of books, DVDs and CDs I can fly back with from visits to England. I always want to bring back far more than I can anyway. For a variety of reasons, mailing isn’t practical.
No, right and wrong didn’t enter into it, although I do find at times that a few people seem to expect everyone to adopt and understand American English as the lingua franca of LV, which can be mildly irritating. Too American! Hahaha.
February 6th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Anon etc: pneumnoultramicroscopicsilicovolcaniconiosis(sp?) is the longest word in the English language. The spelling is close but maybe not exact.
February 7th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Vera, (170),
Hi, me dear!
And clearly one to be avoided around Mt St Helens or my part of the world from the look of it!
February 7th, 2009 at 6:43 am
At all events, it isn’t very sicolistpfredlrcageioiupaiiuaxclis!
February 7th, 2009 at 6:58 am
The wiki article says that Pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis was coined simply to be the longest word, and hasn’t ever been used in real life.
February 7th, 2009 at 7:07 am
I was thinking about “math(s)” earlier today. As far as I’m concerned “mathematics” ends with an “s” (whether it is construed as singular or plural) so “maths” has to as well. The only analogies I can think of are “home economics”, which at my high schools were “home ec” and “home eco”, and “gymnastics”, but “gym” really is a different concept. “Gymnastics” = Olympic sport; “gym” = what at my high schools was called “PE”.
At my first high school there was a subject called “Mech Drwg” (pronounced McDrag). At my second high school it was called “Graphics”. In Victoria, “graph” is generally pronounced “graff”. One science teacher pronounced it “grahf”. In South Australia, it is generally pronounced “grahf”. Despite this, “graphics” is still “graffics”, never “grahfics”.
I’ve toyed with the idea of writing a list of differences between US and UK English (with the odd excursion into Ire, Can, Aus, NZ and SAf at least). I’ve toyed with a lot of ideas for writing a lot of lists, and mostly don’t.
February 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Having had lingual influences at home from both Australia and the American South, and growing up (for the most part) in Los Angeles, my use of words is all over the map.
I use “pips” for “seeds” in fruit such as oranges.
I use Uni. for college, and I notice that I’ll say I’ll be in hospital, when most Americans will say I’ll be in the hospital.
After we moved back to the States, when I was 7, I would always, through high school, ask to be excused to go to the lavatory.
**lo**, Anon can testify that I am a wordoholic, too. While still in grammar school, not only did I read the entire E.B. but the Unabridged Dictionary, too. Then in Uni. a friend and I played a game every week; we had to choose 5 words which we had never before known. We’d write the words on index cards, along with part of speech, and translation. At the end of the week, we’d have to use the word in normal conversation, and do so in a way that made it obvious what the word meant!
It was a brutal game.
February 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
More curiosity on my part.
Maths is essentially colloquial British English. We might talk about our maths teacher and maths exam, but formally it would be a mathematics examination and he would ba a mathematics master.
I assume ‘math’ is also informal. So does the curriculum state something like: the subjects taught this term will be History, Geography, Mathematic, Physics, French and English?
February 7th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
On second thoughts, maybe that fourth is actually Physical Science, or something in a formal context.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
segue, (175).
I trust you didn’t deal yourself pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. That truly would have been brutal!
February 7th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
176. Anon: No. It would be listed as History, Geography, Mathematics, Physics, French and English.
I have no idea why the terminal s is dropped.
February 7th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
178. Anon: segue, (175): I trust you didn’t deal yourself pneumonoultramicroscopicsilicovolcanoconiosis. That truly would have been brutal!
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Fortunately, no, but I do remember getting some doozies!
February 7th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
segue, (179),
According to the strict processes of abbreviation I was taught, it should either be math. or maths, the stop indicating that an abbreviation lacks its final letter. As in Brig.-Gen. Smith, but not Dr Brown. That no one knows or cares was made amply clear when I explained that anon and anon. have two quite separate meanings, differentiated by the use of the stop. That might be confusing anyway when the abbreviated word comes at the end of the sentence. Take the very sentence: ‘Define the word anon.’! A careful user might rephrase it as: ‘What do we mean by the word anon.?’
I realise I’m only babbling to the converted here, who can probably be counted on the hands of both fingers.
February 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
181. Anon: I realise I’m only babbling to the converted here, who can probably be counted on the hands of both fingers.
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It’s probably higher than that, but abysmally small, no doubt!
*I* get unduly annoyed (but have learnt not to make an issue of it) when posters capitalize the first letter of segue. I chose segue with care, it’s meaning is very personal, and very meaningful to me, while Segue (actually spelled Ségué) is a *place*, a small island. This place is situated in Mopti, Mali, its geographical coordinates are 14° 24′ 0″ North, 4° 8′ 0″ West and its original name (with diacritics) is Ségué. Last time I checked, I was not a small island…though you can check my photo in Forums and come to your own conclusion.
February 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I didn’t get that word from wiki. I’ve known it for years. In fact I am a tad insulted. I almost never use wikipedia for a source.
February 8th, 2009 at 12:58 am
anon & segue-
hhhhmmm, while americans do know the word mathematics (as in “she’s a professor of mathematics”) i think we use it very rarely.
in a school environment i remember courses/classes being titled by their specific type of math such as geometry, advanced algebra, etc. (out of the many maths, perhaps?). i’m sure in elementary school it was “math time” or even “multiplication time” depending on the actual type of operation we were currently learning. i remember a college course once called “math for non-majors.” perhaps formal speech is ceasing to exist at all over here? we all have quirks, obviously i choose to rarely capitalize when not writing for business or schooling purposes, but i’m happy just to see people writing in anything other than “text speak” lately.
February 8th, 2009 at 9:55 am
184. lo:…i’m happy just to see people writing in anything other than “text speak” lately.
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Every time I see text speak I scream (silently, of course). It’s so inane.
It’s not like I don’t “get it”, I both understand it and understand why it was invented, but it’s still inane, makes the sender look incredibly stupid and uncouth, and someone I wouldn’t want to waste a minute’s breath on.
February 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
segue (185),
“Every time I see text speak I scream (silently, of course). It’s so inane.”
Too idle to check, but have we had Top 10 Modern Most Irritating Trends yet? I’ll nominate urban (well, any) graffiti as another. Whenever it crosses my line of vision (happily not too frequently) I wish the stocks or ducking stool could be brought back!
February 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
186. Anon:…have we had Top 10 Modern Most Irritating Trends yet? I’ll nominate urban (well, any) graffiti…
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When I lived in Los Angeles, graffiti was so commonplace that, unless it was spectacularly different in some respect, you almost didn’t observe it. The police did everything they could think of to stop it; they hired graffiti artists to paint murals in the flood channels, on the side of certain buildings…They tried arresting them and putting them in jail. Nothing worked. It all just bred more graffiti.
Now, in the little village in which I live, there is *NO* graffiti. Never has been.
It’s so clean. I sometimes think I’ve accidentally wandered into Disneyland’s Main Street, where everything is polished and swept.
But I agree with you about the stocks and ducking stool! That would be fair justice, and I’d be in line to take my turn at the handle.
February 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
segue, (187),
I often wonder whether the whole current wave of piggish disprespect and disregard for others as expressed in arrogant loudness and loutishness of all kinds doesn’t originate from graffiti.
We had a famous case of two adolescent Chileans who sprayed graffiti over a public monument in Cuzco, Peru. They were caught on survey video, arrested and charged. There was a lot of reaction both ways. I think the thing that shocked our family and many others was the misplaced sympathetic reaction of the president of the time. He said he quite understood how many young people felt alienated from society, and that gave them the right to express their frustration through graffiti (often on CHILEAN public monuments and buildings, I might add). Oh, fine. So if you are a kid disgruntled with school, then walking into a library and scribbling all over books or ripping out pages is a legitimate response? I’ve been told that even tourist revenue can decline sharply when places are badly defaced by graffiti. People arrive, but don’t stay. They don’t want to take photos with that muck all over them, quite apart from the fact that it represents a sickening eyesore. What’s worst of all is the inability of developed, sophisticated democratic societies to exercise the least control over a tiny destructive element giving it the finger, and gives it nothing positive. That’s actually both sad and frightening. I’ll except the few genuine, artistic and creative murals, although those are often themselves soon defaced anyway.
Political slogans are sprayed up everywhere in Chile at election times, national and local. To observe the law permission must be obtained, and the candidate or party named is held responsible for any breaches. When we first arrived, our brand new wall was sprayed. We went to the municipality, got legal assisstace and eventually the offense was cleaned off and the wall repainted. They were very reluctant to comply, and it cost us quite a lot of time and effort though that others probably wouldn’t have considered worthwhile.
February 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
188. Anon: I often wonder whether the whole current wave of piggish disrespect and disregard for others as expressed in arrogant loudness and loutishness of all kinds doesn’t originate from graffiti.
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I think, in one way, you’re onto something. In another way, there’s more to it than that (of course you know this already), but kids, especially kids who are smart and under challenged and under motivated, will find a way to vent their rage. Also, and this is *big*, a kid will live up to, or down to, what is expected of them.
Case in point:
When my son was a sophomore in high school, he was one of the founders, under his AP English Lit. instructor’s friend, who worked for Warner Bros., of a youth empowerment magazine. It was entirely written, illustrated, edited, layed out, printed and delivered by students.
The first six months, the magazine worked out of the Warner Bros. buildings. Then, they began to renovate. All of a sudden the magazine needed new digs.
At the time, we were living in a large house in one of the canyons between Hollywood and the San Fernando Valley – a perfect location, as the school was a magnet school and the pupils came from all over, plus the magazine staff came from numerous high schools, and we were close to freeway exits/entrances.
So. I volunteered my home. Suddenly, I had multiple computers installed and a roster of 50 kids who might, at any given time, pop in to work on the magazine.
I had a meeting before the first session and laid out the rules:
1 – It was okay to eat or drink while in my home, but they had to clean up after themselves, so I would never know that had.
2 – No smoking. Anything, anywhere.
3 – No horseplay in the house. There was a very large deck off the front of the house, they could play there.
4 – If my bedroom door is closed, be as quiet as possible. Otherwise, jam on.
I taught them how to bypass the alarm system (I was working in the film biz still, so my hours were unusual at best), I didn’t want to have to get up to let them in, nor did I feel comfortable leaving the alarm unset. I told them that they had my complete trust until they proved to me that they didn’t deserve it.
They stayed 4 years. They stayed even after my son graduated and left for Uni. Never once, even as the staff itself grew-up and graduated, turning the magazine over to a new generation, was my trust misplaced.
The word was passed along, “this lady trusts us. She’s okay.” Some of the kids were kids who were troublemakers in school. They weren’t troublemakers in my home. Ever. I treated them with dignity, and was treated with dignity in return.
And this is what I think is missing from so many homes and schools. Dignity. It’s a simple concept. It’s simple to implement. It just takes a bit of courage at the start, after that, it’s easy.
February 8th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
segue, (189),
Sounds like some of Anita’s former classes. They’re married with kids, even divorced or separated, yet they still keep in touch with her. When we bought this place in Chile and had a house-warming, her entire favourie class came along with their babies and significant others to a special barbie. I told Anita that a good teacher can have more influence on kids than the genes or example (or lack of) of their parents.
Leaving kids to their own devices almost permanently is one problem nowadays. I think dependency has a lot to do with it as well. When we were young we were dependent on adult society for almost everything. There were so many devastating punishments that could be meted out if we stepped out of line: humiliations, deprivations, physicals (the latter not in my case at home: at school yes). Almost all such significant sanctions have vanished with social changes. Obtaining money for almost anything depended either on working damned hard for not very much of it, or at least earning it by expected behaviour. There were rebels of course, but they were extremely bold and very few, and their actions were not particularly significant, either collectively or individually, even though some were our secret heroes! There were dark and lonely places we didn’t go because we could be beaten up by nasty boys. Rarely older adolescents would attack lone or vulnerable adults in such remote places, but more usually one another. Last time I was in the UK there was an article by a young journalist who had been in a full railway carriage of young and youngish working adults returning from white collar and secretarial jobs in the City of London. Three 14-year-olds entered the carriage with a portable pounding out rap at full blast, fouling the air with their equally loud language. No one dared to chgallenge them except the reporter. They got off where he did and threatened him. He called their bluff, but admitted he might easily have been knifed.
A democracy which cannot exert enough control over its antisocial elements, from presidents and politicians through criminals down to rampaging kids may possibly be opening the door to future trouble. There is a tendency to push the envelope to find out what the limits are.
February 8th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
GTT, (160), (if you’re still here reading),
It occurred to me afterwards that I ought to modify my comments based on personal experience. We’ve actually travelled a great deal in Argentina and have found the folks almost without exception to be wonderfully friendly, helpful and courteous. We have many, many good amigos there (happily we never bumped into Maradona!); in Patagonia, the centre and the NW. Far from hostility towards Chileans, they frequently flash their headlights in greeting when they see our licence plate. The same applies for the British. We had small plaques of the Chilean flag and Union Jack on the jeep once in the early 90s. A guy pointed at the Union Jack at a filling station and strode pruposefully towards us. Uh, uh, trouble! But no. He broke into a wide smile and said, “Man U just beat the Brazilian champions. Any country which beats Brazil at soccer is our friend for life.” In fact Anita prefers the polite aspects of the social behaviour of Argentinians to the not infrequently more boorish, profane and cavalier attitudes of her own coutrymen.
I say all this notwithstanding continuing support for independent British dependency for the Falklands (cost permitting!), which I can defend with impeccable logic!
Our botanical friend of the region, Prof. David Moore, had extremely close Argentinian colleagues. Everyone agreed to disagree genially about the islands, which they called the Falkvinas!
February 8th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
190. Anon: Anita’s class seems a lot like a teacher my son had in high school. He also subbed in my youngest daughter’s h.s. AP Econ. class. His mother worked in the Bush administration in Washington and was rarely home, his father was a prof. at UCLA with long hours. Somehow, he decided to adopt me. He’d drive my son or daughter home and come in and just stay, hanging around through dinner and on.
My son graduated in 1996 and left for Uni. Teacher kept coming over. Younger daughter graduated in 97, and left for Uni. Teacher kept coming over.
It’s now 2009, and we’re still in touch. He still comes over.
February 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
segue- i love your story of what happened in your home. it reminds me of one of my best friends, she just finished a masters related to social service non-profits, community organizations, and youth services. in her study program she worked for a year in an alternative technical school for kids who’ve come out of the “juvie” equivalent in the poorest part of kingston Jamaica (her favorite time of her life -so far!) then six months of academics/thesis-writing in london. she’s done great work with some americorp related programs she helped create in the states too.
her whole observation is if your treat “youth” (we’re only 28 ourselves) with respect and at the same time challenge them to earn more of it through (positive for life advancement) demonstrated skills and actions they’re more then happy to. if a current or potential gang member, criminal, social outcast, whatever is given a chance to earn “cred” amongst their peers and their elders by positive works instead of negative they almost ALWAYS will. her dream is to change how incarcerated teens/young adults are treated “in system.”
talking to you and anon here inspires me! i think you’re my new LV-life mentors
jamie made a really great thing by encouraging intelligent discussions spring-boarded off the lists, and pure entertainment wit too
February 9th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Nick (#42)
I would really like to know what is so amazingly frustrating about some off-hand comment about making ice with bottled water. I think from now on I’m ONLY drinking water from a bottle – with it’s handy little plastic, ozone-depleting carrying case and the fancy little twist-top cap at truly exorbitant prices. As a matter of fact, I’m going to buy Dasani, and only Dasani, because I know that it is the Coca-Cola version of tap water. And believe you me, I drink many, many, many gallons of water a day. Maybe like…15 or something (exaggeration for effect)!
So…nanana-boo boo.
February 9th, 2009 at 2:43 am
194. Confused- oh your sarcasm is searing!
but really, if you’ve ever spent time in a country with third-world level infrastructure were even all the locals drink only rain water or boiled/bottled water you’ll note potable water is VERY important. you’ll note that people living in countries with perfectly safe and potable tap water choosing to drink “pure” bottled water IS asinine for both their wallets and the planet (your comment did, i know.)
and you’ll be smart enough to know that the problem in ice machines is one of two:
1. perfectly potable water came out of a tap into the ice machine. then workers who failed to adequately wash their hands and/or ice scooping device contaminated the ice with bacteria. -undoubtedly the case in the UK ice noted in the actual list! (i’ve worked in restaurants, people touch the ice.)
-yes, it irked me too that JF left this fact out of the list -many people on this planet don’t even have “safe” water to dirty with poor hand hygiene in the first place.
2. the water that came out of the tap (or bucket) to make the ice was itself contaminated with bacteria in a place of human habitation where the government/inhabitants are unwilling/unable to purify it before it’s frozen. in this case i’m not going to blame the ice maker (but poor hand hygiene could always exacerbate the situation.)
*clean, drinkable water for everyone is still an important world issue. it’s even recently (as in right now) been an issue in rural villages in alaska without plumbing or sewage systems. -and alaska is part of the USA -not usually known for it’s third-world health and safety living conditions.
ugh, if you have safe tap water be happy! if you think it tastes bad (or know it contains a lot of agricultural and/or mining run-off chemicals) filter it. in the case of the chemicals -write your city council/senator/president a letter (and don’t drink it if it’s really dangerously bad.)
don’t take your water for granted (and NEVER pay for dasani/aquafina/other bottled TAP water again)!
-sorry for all that, but safe drinking water for ALL is a pet issue of mine. if you’re human, consider making it one of yours as well.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:20 am
p.s
if you live in the USA, or any other country that legally regulates its tap water quality, and you really DO have reason to believe it’s dangerously contaminated by chemicals (hey they just spilled a few 100 pounds of mercury into the mojave desert here, but -by nature of it being in a desert- they think ground water will be unaffected and only the workers who were dusted with the stuff should need to worry) tell your government you want tighter water regulations! democracy only works if you use it. and if your water’s safe to drink rejoice and drink it
again, sorry to be up-in-arms, not trying to make anyone angry. i only want everyone to have safe drinking water. the end goal seems like something we can all agree on.
February 9th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Uhh…
Actually…I honestly don’t care how they make their ice, and I don’t particularly have anything against any types, brands, and/or styles of drinking water – potable or otherwise. I was kinda’ just pickin’ on Nick (#42) for FAREEKIN’ out about the bottled water thing. I actually don’t drink bottled water and happen to thoroughly enjoy the sweet, sweet nectar of our kitchen tap. I do, as we all do, agree that clean drinking water is a necessity for the whole, wide, big ‘ol world, and I understand that many others are not as fortunate as I am. However, I often find it quite humorous, (less occasionally, ridiculous) that people get soooo excited and turn all UNICEF in the comments. I’m almost positive that the contributor was in no way trying to compare or suggest that bottled water was a safe alternative to tap water – including the cost to the purse and the environment. In conclusion, I was just havin’ a little fun. That’s my way, no hard feelins’ and I do appreciate your enlightening information, much of which I had not previously given much thought. I look forward to these lists – and most importantly – these often “friendly” back-and-forths we find just under the related list links.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am
193. lo:…talking to you and anon here inspires me! i think you’re my new LV-life mentors
jamie made a really great thing by encouraging intelligent discussions spring-boarded off the lists, and pure entertainment wit too ;
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Thank you, lo (I’m blushing…really!). And yes, Jamie deserves so much credit for allowing, and even encouraging intelligent discussions to spring from the main topic to include side topics.
He’s one bright guy.
February 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I thought that the only mammal that couldn’t jump was white people.
February 9th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I looked up the Britney paper folding problem. Turns out she had a bet to fold some thing 12 times and was the first person to realize what actually caused the limits and then derived the equations for them. Paper had never been folded more that 7 or 8 times before her. Her calcualtions were first confirmed by some people at Cal Tech and look difficult to derrive.
She was a consultant for the Myth-busters folding of paper tv segment and they gave her credit according to a reference. And they did not fold a single piece of paper but some 17 pieces taped together. Allow that and Gallivan could have put two pieces folded 12 times on top of each other, taped the ends together and said she did 24 times.
her book says making paper wet does NOT allow it to be folded better it just allows the paper to break into pieces and in affect be cut, which is not folding. Wet paper is does not fold better. It is thicker and will not stretch more than a few percent.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/space/workinginspace/great_wall.html
maybe you should be a bit MORE thorough next time.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
There have been several reported things that can be seen from space from many different astronauts. The Astrodome can be spotted easily from space because of the color contrast to the surrounding area. Also the light atop the Luxor hotel in Las Vegas can easily be seen from Space.
February 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
i bet this page is banned in china.
February 10th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
As for the polar bears. The myth came about due to baseball. Most early field were built with home plate to the west so the hitters would be facing east as the sun was going down and it would not be in their eyes. So when there was a left handed pitcher he was called a southpaw. South equals Antarctica which equals polar bears. Get it?
February 10th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Except that polar bears don’t live in Antarctica. They live in the Arctic region, which would make them northpaws.
February 10th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
right on astraya!
February 11th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Poor List. I am totally lost for insulting things to say.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Jim Lu is a Space Station astronaut, and the space station only orbits at 190 miles up, 1/5th of the distance in Alan Bean’s quote. For that matter the Space Shuttle orbits at around 240 miles normally, and can be as high as 300 if deploying satalites, which is considered Low Earth Orbit, and is still in the most upper reaches of our atmostphere.
February 11th, 2009 at 8:32 am
i bought a mobilephone from a norwegan shop at 10% of what it was supposed to cost because of a typo on an internet comercial, they had too sell it at the price it said on the internett (100,- intead of 1000,-)
February 11th, 2009 at 9:25 am
a fact that is not true: a nonfact.
February 13th, 2009 at 12:16 am
the burj dubai building is so tall that u can see the curve of the earth standing on the terrace of the building
fact
February 13th, 2009 at 1:44 am
With 2 left & right HANDS, These polar bears must be magic on a keyboard.I could use one for compiling code =)
February 15th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Thanks for sharing, will share among friends
February 19th, 2009 at 2:33 am
the “Great Wall” is not “a wall” at all. it’s a series of walls between different “provinces” that were at war w/each other. it was built by several different dynasties between fifth century BC, and 16th century AD.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Hi all. I apologize for the following post. I tried to resist the temptation; but, alas, the power was strong…and I am weak.
The Wongs
Su Lin Chow maries Lee Wong. The next year, the Wongs have a baby.
The nurse brings over a healthy, lovely, bouncy…but definitely WHITE Caucasian baby boy.
“Congratulations,” says the nurse to the new parents. “Well, Mr. Wong, what will you and Mrs
Wong name the baby?”
The puzzled father looks at his new baby and says, “Well, two Wong’s don’t make a white, so I think we will name him…”
(are you ready for this?)
“Sum Ting Wong”
(rimshot…please)
February 26th, 2009 at 6:12 am
NASA may not have invented the Dustbuster, but they could easily need a vacuum cleaner in space. Their astronauts do not operate in a vacuum as this list suggests – they would all be dead if they did. On the space station and the shuttle they have an atmosphere – what they don’t have is gravity, so in fact a vacuum cleaner would be very useful as a way of sucking up spills that would otherwise be floating around. Check out how a space toilet works – it’s on a similar system to a vacuum cleaner. The waste is sucked away. So NASA may have asked for a vacuum cleaner after all, guys! Have I debunked the debunkers?
April 18th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Wow! I thought that number 5 was true! Apparently so do a lot of merchants as I too have gotten serious reductions on items )mostly food items in a supermarket) based on this assumption. Maybe it is confused with “bait and switch” and merchants just don’t want to be accused of it or bother arguing in front of other customers.
April 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
that theory about the great wall of china is that it is the only thing made by human hands no machines or mechanical things
August 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
About #7: dolphins, seals, whales, etc. can’t jump either-or if they do we can’t tell, because they do it underwater. And I guess that goes for mammals that live underground as well.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Re: #5 “offer to buy” There is a law in Michigan, USA called The Michigan Pricing Law or Scanning Law. This law states that most items on store shelves must have a clearly visible price tag. Also if a person is charged more than an item is marked for, the person has 30 days to recieve a refund of the overage, plus a “bonus” of 10 times the difference not to exceed $5.00. Stores are allowed to post a list of several items which are exempt from this scanning law. (I think there is a set number, but not set items which may be exempt.)
If you’re interested, you may look up the FAQ about the law here:
http://www.michigan.gov/ag/0,1607,7-164-34739_20942-134114–,00.html
This also includes a non-legalese version of the law.
October 27th, 2009 at 9:40 am
@Jorge (13): http://www.pomonahistorical.org/12times.htm
November 18th, 2009 at 8:28 am
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