This list looks at some amazing past inventions that have been lost. Some may be cause for skepticism but almost all of the items here are things that we would definitely love to understand better today. Keep an open mind as some entries are famous for their part in conspiracy theories. Be sure to list other lost or suppressed inventions in the comments.
Greek fire was an incendiary weapon used by the Byzantine Empire. The Byzantines typically used it in naval battles to great effect as it could continue burning even on water. The ingredients and the processes of manufacture and deployment of Greek fire were very carefully guarded military secrets. So strict was the secrecy that the composition of Greek fire was lost, and remains a source of speculation to this day. Consequently, the “mystery” of the formula has long dominated the research into Greek fire. Despite this almost exclusive focus however, Greek fire is best understood as a complete weapon system of many components, all of which were needed to operate together to render it effective.
Orgone energy is a hypothetical form of energy first proposed and promoted in the 1930s by psychoanalyst Wilhelm Reich. It is claimed that orgone is a manifestation of the Freudian concept of libido. Reich saw orgone as a universal bioenergetic force lying behind and causing much, if not all, observable phenomena. Reich developed a device – an “orgone accumulator” for clinical trials and tests. From the 1950s onwards, the FDA became involved in aggressively investigating healthcare providers who were offering treatment not accepted by mainstream researchers, and in particular by the American Medical Association. Reich was one of the therapists who was targeted. On February 10, 1954, the U.S. Attorney for Maine, acting on behalf of the FDA, filed a complaint seeking a permanent injunction under Sections 301 and 302 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, to prevent interstate shipment of orgone accumulators and to ban some of Reich’s writing. The court complied and ordered that all accumulators and their parts were to be destroyed. All written material that discussed how to use the accumulators was also to be destroyed. It also banned ten of Reich’s books that mentioned orgone energy, until such time as references to orgone were deleted.
Schauberger and his works have become part of an internet-based conspiracy theory claiming that Schauberger invented free energy/perpetual motion devices and that this was “covered up” by the US government. While, perpetual motion devices are impossible under basic laws of physics as they violate the fundamental concept of conservation of energy, Schauberger never claimed to have invented perpetual motion machines, but instead stated that he used the Earth’s natural power. After the Second World War, Schauberger was apprehended by US intelligence agents, and kept in custody for 9 months. They confiscated all his documents and prototypes, and interrogated him to determine his activities during the war.
Some people, including a number of doctors and biochemists, believe ozone has remarkable healing properties. The advent of precise medical ozone generators has only recently allowed the mechanisms, action and possible toxicity of ozone to be evaluated by clinical trials. But despite anecdotal evidence of ozone therapy having caused remission in a variety of diseases, therapeutic use of ozone is not endorsed by health authorities or medical associations in any English speaking country, and most US states prohibit the marketing of ozone generators, its medical use, and even research and clinical trials of ozone therapy, so that doctors risk losing their medical licenses by administering or prescribing ozone therapies.
In 1956, the aviation trade publication Interavia reported that Thomas Townsend Brown had made substantial progress in anti-gravity or electro-gravitic propulsion research. Top U.S. aerospace companies had also become involved in such research which may have become a classified subject by 1957. Though the effect he discovered has been proven to exist by many others, Brown’s work was controversial because others and even he himself believed that this effect could explain the existence and operation of unidentified flying objects (UFOs). Brown’s research has since become something of a popular pursuit around the world, with amateur experimenters replicating his early experiments in the form of “lifters” powered by high-voltage.
Eugene Mallove was a notable proponent and supporter of research into cold fusion. He authored the book Fire from Ice, which details the 1989 report of table-top cold fusion from Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann at the University of Utah. The book claims the team did produce “greater-than-unity” output energy in an experiment, which supposedly was successfully replicated on several occasions. Mallove claims that the results were suppressed through an organized campaign of ridicule from mainstream physicists. He was fatally beaten May 14, 2004 in Norwich, Connecticut by an unknown assailant. His violent death was suspected by some to be related to the nature of his work.
Stanley Meyer produced nine patents relating to his “water powered” car. He was subsequently sued by two investors and the court found Meyer guilty of “gross and egregious fraud”, ordering him to repay the investors their $25,000. Following his sudden death, an autopsy showed that he died of a cerebral aneurysm. Meyer’s supporters continue to claim that he was assassinated by ‘Big Oil’, Arab death squads, Belgian assassins, or the US Government in order to suppress his inventions.
At one point while experimenting with mechanical oscillators, Nikola Tesla allegedly generated a resonance of several buildings causing complaints to the police. As the speed grew he hit the resonance frequency of his own building and belatedly realizing the danger he was forced to apply a sledge hammer to terminate the experiment, just as the astonished police arrived. The Discovery Channel’s popular MythBusters show examined Tesla’s claim that he had created an “Earthquake Machine” in their 60th episode. They tested the physical phenomenon known as mechanical resonance on a traffic bridge, which today are built to withstand such forces. While a single I-beam of steel was deflected several feet in each direction by their oscillator, and they reportedly felt the bridge shaking many yards away, there were no “earth shattering” effects. It is worth indicating that, in the time of the event undertaken by Tesla, buildings were not built to withstand such resonance.
Flexible glass is a legendary lost invention from during the reign of Roman Emperor Tiberius Caesar (between 14 CE-37 CE). As recounted by Isadore of Seville, the craftsman who invented the technique brought before Caesar a drinking bowl made of flexible glass, and Caesar threw it to the floor, whereupon the material dented, rather than shattering. The inventor was able to simply repair the dent with a small hammer. After the inventor swore to the Emperor that he alone knew the technique of manufacture, Caesar had the man beheaded, fearing such material could undermine the value of gold and silver.
Father Ernetti is fascinating not just because of his work as an exorcist in the Venice region, but more especially because of his work on the “chronovision”. In the 1960s he is said to have claimed he constructed a time viewer of sorts in the 1950s, as part of a group that supposedly included Nobel Laureate Enrico Fermi and Wernher von Braun. The machine was called the Chronovisor, and could allegedly see and hear events of the past. According to an explanation by Ernetti, the luminous energy and sound that objects emanate are recorded in their environment, such that proper use of the chronovisor could reconstruct from said energy the images and sounds of a specific set of events from the past. Through the viewing screen of the chronovisor Father Ernetti claimed to have witnessed a performance in Rome in 169 BC of the now-lost tragedy, Thyestes, by the father of Latin poetry, Quintus Ennius. He also claimed to have witnessed Christ dying on the cross. On his death-bed in 1994, Father Ernetti said that he attended a meeting of all the people involved in the chronovision at the Vatican during which the only existing machine was destroyed.
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July 31st, 2009 at 1:38 am
awesome list man
July 31st, 2009 at 1:40 am
Clever yet evil way of thinking for Caesar in number 2.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:41 am
I remember watching an episode of Mythbusters in which they tried to recreate the Greek Fire. It was an incredibly complex mechanism they created (using mirrors to reflect the sun) and took a very long time, but they eventually created some semblance of fire.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:42 am
first ??
July 31st, 2009 at 1:47 am
Has there ever been a day where somebody hasn’t wished for flexible glass.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:47 am
As I heard it, #2’s story was the inventor had made glass that wouldn’t shatter – like modern Pyrex. As shatterproof glass is made by adding substances such as lead to the glass mix, it is plausible. It’s also been suggested that Tiberius put back optics by hundreds of years – adding substances to glass can greatly increase refractive index and make it possible to create more powerful telescopes and microscopes.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:54 am
Unlukely Father Ernetti’s invention is, here in Italy, known certainly as an hoax.
http://www.cicap.org/new/articolo.php?id=100413
The only picture taken to Cronovisore’s screen (allegedly Christ), was debuked and Ennio’s Tieste was rebuilt from previously known fragments.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:59 am
Why would Tiberius!? He could’ve rivalled Chinese porcelain! And Rome could’ve monopolised on such a ‘wonderful’ invention!
On the flipside, tupperware parties would’ve existed far earlier than thought (imagining Elizabeth I hosting tupperware party – haha!).
July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 am
If I remember correctly, cold fusion was proven to be an enormous hoax as well
July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 am
I’ve been a little bit bored with most of the recent list on listverse, but this definetly one of the best
July 31st, 2009 at 2:04 am
Wow the bonus is crazy! anyway great list keep it up
July 31st, 2009 at 2:07 am
@gabi319 (3): THAT WAS NOT GREEK FIRE THAT WAS ON ARCHIMEDES’ WAR MACHINES
July 31st, 2009 at 2:20 am
Number one is kinda creepy to me.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:48 am
these types of list are veru interesting but they are not explained very well… there good for the info but then u have to go on wikipedia for further facts.
other than that a great lsit
July 31st, 2009 at 3:23 am
WOO WOO list.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:47 am
In greek it was called ‘igro bir’, ‘υγρο πυρ’ which translates directly to ‘liquid fire’.
July 31st, 2009 at 3:49 am
@Lowdog (14): I think it is probably a good thing that people feel inclined to go and do more research on items that are published here. We give you the blurb and then you go and spend a day reading everything you can find on it
July 31st, 2009 at 3:51 am
@Nick (16): Wouldn’t your Greek transliterate to “ugro pur”? There are no iotas there and in Ancient Greek the ‘υ’ is a u.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:01 am
Great list. Just to let people know that there is a book by CJ Sansom called Dark Fire. Its about a fictional search for the formula in Tudor Enland linked to a murder mystery and plot against Cromwell. Fiction I know, but a great read.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:14 am
Good list, although I wouldn’t call the “orgone” theory an “amazing lost/suppressed invention”.
Reich used to be a disciple of Sigmund Freud’s, who later dismissed him (and his theories), probably for being a sex-obsessed loose cannon who would analyze his patients in the nude. Strike one for Reich. Reich then pestered Albert Einstein so he would scientifically demonstrate the existence of the “Orgone”; unfortunately, try as he might, Einstein couldn’t demonstrate anything. Strike two. And finally he was diagnosed with paranoia, delusions of grandeur and delirium of reference, and ended up convicted in a psychiatric facility within the Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary, where he died. Strike three.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:20 am
Caesar was an arse wasn’t he?!
Good list! I like the idea of Greek Fire!
July 31st, 2009 at 4:26 am
This list is just nonsense. Why do you want to dig up old myths that have been proven to be hoaxes? Some ignorant people might actually believe this crap.
Lets take Orgone and Wilhelm Reich for example. Did you know that Mr. Reich also invented new forms of psycho analysis? Yeah, the kind of where he asks his patients to undress for him for therapy and then he would touch them to see how they react.
The same man also invented the root cause of all cancer (the so called T-bacilli), claimed that he could create bacteria by heating up minerals and then cooling them (of course, no bacteria is born this way) and to top it all, he also created a device that would make rain. Yeah, the cloudbuster. Do I have to mention that it didn’t actually work?
He also met with Albert Einstein to whom he showed his orgone accumulator device and they tried it out. After Einstein noticed a flaw in their test setup and noted that the device didn’t do a darn thing, Mr. Reich wrote Einstein a 25 page letter calling him ignorant.
Mr. Reich also had had mental problems since the 1920’s and had been hospitalized for it.
So ladies and gentlement. What do you think, was Mr. Reich a genius who invented a new form of energy, a way to make life and the cause of cancer but was supressed by the evil goverments of the World. Or, was he a person who suffered from a mental illness, made up a whole bunch of strange ideas and whose legacy has since been exploited by a crowd of conspiracy theorists wanting to sell their books and alternative medicine nutjobs trying to sell their herbal enemas?
July 31st, 2009 at 4:47 am
with that said, I guess the time machine is not as crazy an idea for a possible invention as I thought it was, although it must not be invented for the risks are, well, …
July 31st, 2009 at 4:58 am
Pretty interesting list even if most of these are proven fake – kind of explains how all those whack-job conspiracies continue to thrive today – People will believe anything.
I’m pretty certain that the Mythbusters episode that Gabi was referring to was about Archimdes’ setting ships in the harbour on fire using mirrors – much like kids do with a magnifying glass and ants. I’ve read about greek fire though – pretty sure it’s thought to be some sort of bitumen mixture; it will burn on top of water. The delivery mechanism? who knows?
July 31st, 2009 at 5:04 am
@mom424 (24): how nice to debate you on the main site for once
how can these things be disproven when the government bans and burns the scientific tests and literature?
July 31st, 2009 at 5:11 am
Great list! I personally think that flexible glass is the best invention.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:17 am
Wow, you don’t want to piss off those Belgians, do you?
July 31st, 2009 at 5:21 am
Here’s a list of other amazing scientific inventions that have been suppressed by the evil guv-a-mint:
1) Ghost Ship GPS: invented by the Captain of the Mary Celeste, this device will steer your destiny-bound ship to any location in the world, as long as it is within the Bermuda Triangle
2) Homeopathic Cancer Cure: Did you know that grinding up tiny little cancerous tumors, dissolving the result in water, then throwing away the solution and inhaling air that passed through the mixing equipment will cure cancer? It wont! But millions of brain-dead hippies believe it will!
3) Crystal Skull Hats: Everyone knows about the mysterious apocalyptical sound-wave powers of the ancient Crystal Skulls, right? Did you know they originally came with little crystal beanies, that will allow them (and you!) to contact their alien homeworld, after which they will bring their native pastries and comic books to Earth? It’s troo!
In other words, most of this list is the stuff of Idiot Legend, propped up with ludicrous comments about how the “inventors” were suppressed by society. Um, yeah, and by all the sane people around them who know science and stuff.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:24 am
“Meyer’s supporters continue to claim that he was assassinated by ‘Big Oil’, Arab death squads, Belgian assassins, or the US Government in order to suppress his inventions.”
LMAO at Belgian assasins, I’m from Belgium myself and let me tell you, we’re not world-renowned for expert assasins.
Our ’secret service’ is a joke, and has lost track of several criminals.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:27 am
awesome! really enjoyed this! useful information- cool!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:31 am
very interesting list..
i could say that the chronovision is the best, though i wonder why would they have it destroyed? it could answer numerous questions from the past that seek clarifications that even people from our generation seem fail to unravel
July 31st, 2009 at 5:35 am
MikeB@
Your list is much better than the original!
jfrater@
What evidence of this so called supression we have? I mean, other than the saying of the original authors or their followers?
And how does this supression work in reality. If I publish my research in my website, and the goverment wants to supress it. How does it get my research of the Internet?
July 31st, 2009 at 5:37 am
Extremely interesting. Especially about the orgone energy theory.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:39 am
@Taylor Osborn (12):
@mom424 (24):
Apologies. Reading comprehension is not my friend at 4:30 in the morning. Apparently, I mistook “Greek Fire” with ‘a Greek who made a fire’.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:46 am
Greek fire would be an amzing weapon today for Naval Warfare. The Fire touches the ship and you can just leave cause you know the ships gone.
For the flexible glass why would Cesar kill him instead of just asking for secret and then using it for himself?
Then he could kill him.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:49 am
I always liked the “theory” of Perpetual Motion.
It was good for a chuckle.
Hadn’t really heard of the rest of these and will be looking up a few of them that sounded interesting. Cool list.
@gabi319 (3): I saw that episode but it was for something different than the greek fire. It was kinda neat, but took a long time to re-create it.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:51 am
Pretty good list.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 am
there are many lists on this website that have secret societies,disappearences and other unexplained things. most of them havent been proved or disproved and so why moan at jfrater for putting this list up. yeah logically most are probably false but so religion and look how many people follow that load of crap.
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 am
Jfrater: Being found guilty of gross and egregious fraud should provide a clue eh? Einstein doesn’t understand and is ignorant?
Schauberger wasn’t institutionalized after the interrogation was he? If there was some substance to his claims he would have either re-built it or sold his knowledge eh?
Ozone therapy? That one I’ll give you – I know nothing about it although from what I’ve seen it does appear to have some use for skin lesions/infections/slow-healing wounds.
Cold fusion? A fake, not able to be duplicated ever.
The resonance generator sounds pretty plausible to me – Tesla was a nut case, but a brilliant one.
Flexible glass seems equally plausible – additives can make glass have some pretty cool properties or equally possible they could have discovered some sort of cellulose based clear material (I buy clear cellulose “cigarette” papers).
The chronovision has been debunked too – if I could read Italian I’d tell you all about it.
and thanks a ton Jamie. Making me actually think this early in the morning.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:10 am
nice work jamey. here come the conspiracy nuts…
July 31st, 2009 at 6:21 am
Orgone is basically the same thing as ‘chi’… or, to use a more ’science-friendly’ term, electrodynamics.
…Flexible glass? Don’t we call that ‘plastic’ now? And Greek fire might have just been oil – or napalm.
We all think we’re so modern, but a great many things were discovered or invented long ago. Through wars, deaths and births of old and new nations, knowledge was lost, incredible amounts of it. Imagine all the information lost with the destruction of the Library of Alexandria, or religious zealots of the Dark Ages in Europe, when it was accepted that all knowledge gathered under ‘pagan’ religions was heretic and should be destroyed.
And regarding all of these inventions/discoveries, it’s plausible that some of them were intentionally suppressed, but we have time to figure them out again.
Meh… it’s all conjecture.
Good list, though.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:50 am
Hi all. I’ve also done some research into this sort of thing, so some of the list items are really quite interesting to me. I could go on and detail what’s what – and to clarify a few things – but I’m not going to be forcably removed from the internet a second time. What I will say is this – don’t piss around with the government.
Here’s a few video links to be going on with – see what you make of these….
Tesla – The Race to Zero Point (source)
Stan Meyer – It Runs On Water (source)
Nature Was My Teacher – The Vision of Viktor Schauberger (Source)
July 31st, 2009 at 6:51 am
Cold fusion is not a hoax
July 31st, 2009 at 6:51 am
Cool list! Not that I believe any of this.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:52 am
@mom424 (39): let’s not forget that Einstein rejected the early formulation of the big bang – who is to say he was right this time? Thre science was destroyed before it could be taken further – molto fishy in my opinion
July 31st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Sorry the ‘It runs on water’ link is a bit crappy. The documentary is well worth a look – and is available in clearer forms around the internet.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am
10. going theory is that it was napalm like substance, not exact, unforantly there is no way to prove anything about it
9. Reich was a but nutso, come on.
8. Perpetual Motion is a fraud yes, but in theory you can use nautal forces to get free energy, hydro-electric, solar, ect….
7. I honestly don;t know too much about it except that o-zone can be unhealthy, but so can most medical treatments
6. Most research into has shown it wasn’t true anti-gravity, more like with “Perpetual Motion” just using natural forces, most of his was magnetic in nature
5. If he had gotten Cold Fusion to work, the goverenment would have protected him, so they could buy it to sell, like what has been stated no one has been able to duplicate it (the ground work of sceince, has to be duplicated)
4. no one has brought this up yet, there has been more study into it by car manufautuars, i beilive its Honda or Hyundai actualy has a test car that runs on hydrogen and produces water (they had a clip on the show 30 Days, the episode about conserving stuff when they the 2 people went to live on hippy retreat thing)
3. Tesla was insane, he did invent alot of remarkable things, and alot of things that might have done lots of damage (The Tunguska Event of 1908 in Siberia may have been him theory too) so it is impossible to say he couldn;t envent it, but unlikely, the mythbusters used moderen stronger parts and it still broke itself
2. completely plausiible, but like everything on the list, impossible to prove do to most of the inventors being dead, but we do it now a days so possible
1. if it did work, he would get a jumbled mess nothing exact cuase if he is seeing the previous events, he would see them all at once, and if eny type of fire, earthquake, or other diastor it would mess it all up as well
and sorry, not in the mood for the relgion debate today, been a while, but i need to finish packing to move tomorow
July 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
NIKOLA TESLA INVENTED A TOWER THAT WOULD HAVE PROVIDED FREE ELECTRICITY TO THE ENTIRE WORLD ON LONG ISLAND NEW YORK, ADD IT AS A BONUS PLEASE
July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am
i agree with (41) mememe….i think that the flexible glass mighta been a early form of plastic.
the greek fire 1 is cool.
the chronovision is plain silly. that ernetti guy was nuts
July 31st, 2009 at 8:30 am
(48) Feen
do u have facts/evidence to bak that up??
July 31st, 2009 at 8:37 am
W. Reich may have been a nutso, but that is no reason to put him in jail and ban his books. Ban his books!? In America!
Perpetual Motion violates the laws of physics, but according to this list, the inventor NEVER said it was perpetual motion. Other people just started calling it that.
Ozone: Again, why is RESEARCH banned? The only way to find out if it’s crap or not is to study it.
Tesla was eccentric. He was NOT insane. He was brilliant. Also, feen, Tesla invented a tower to transmit energy wirelessly. There was nothing free about it! I find it believable that Tesla invented a machine that resonated with his building and nearly shook it down. I can also find it believable that the tale grew in the telling as well.
Flexible glass: Whenever something like this dates back thousands of years, I get suspicious. This was probably just some form of early plastic or celluloid. And Tiberius probably killed the inventor because he fancied him. Tiberius usually didn’t need a good reason to kill someone.
Chronovision. Isaac Asimov wrote a story about such an invention. The catch was, what IS the past? Well, Asimov pointed out that two seconds ago is the past and the Chronovision machine in his story was going to be used for spying! I’d love to view the past without fear of interfering or getting trapped.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Woo JFrater. You takin’ da heat on dis’ lis’….
I’m heading over to the salon now.
Got an appointment for my tanning, nails,
and the orgasmatron!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
Very interesting list. Especially the chronovision. Also, its crazy to hear that so much researches and so many books were banned. In this day and age, I would suspect that wouldn’t happen…and that research would be encouraged, even if it is ridiculous.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
@Eric (32):
“And how does this supression work in reality. If I publish my research in my website, and the goverment wants to supress it. How does it get my research of the Internet?”
I´m thinking most of these were before the widespread use of the Internet. It was not so easy to publish every little thing you wanted in the 50s… not to mention Rome in the year 30 CE.
I really liked this list. Yes, most of these are probably fake but still fascinating as possibilities. And I´m no conspiracy nut but I wouldnt have a hard time believing that the inventor of a “water car” (or any type of car that cheaply and efficiently uses alternative fuel sources) might be assasinated. Do you know how much money is at stake?
Though I agree with a previous poster…. Belgian assasins? That´s like an oxymoron, isn´t it?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Interesting list, Jamie. It gave me my days work of research. On Tesla, Yes, he was eccentric. Yes, he was brilliant. But why would anybody build a machine to cause earthquakes. If you want one, just move to California or Japan.
The Greek Fire sounds like napalm to me. But lets research it, maybe we can use another stupid weapon.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:23 am
What about the telsa coil?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:25 am
the Tesla Coil wasn;t supressed or lost, still used all the time today, on a computer? thank the tesla coil
July 31st, 2009 at 10:47 am
@ mom424 what are you putting in your plant cellulose “cigarette” papers
July 31st, 2009 at 10:48 am
what about creationism?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:50 am
i still don;t feel like debating religion, got to pack still
again, its lost or supressed inventions
July 31st, 2009 at 10:51 am
@frushka (52): Where can I buy me one of them?
@feen (48): Yeah right. I believe that too – along with UFO’s, fluoride as mind control, and the moon landing hoax. Where’s the proof?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:53 am
Hey , these facts are great…I was very much surprised by the Chronovision feature that can capture the past incidents… Hats off… Any way by which we can get more details over it…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:54 am
@Bjart (59): what about creationism?
Well, you’re right about one thing… it was invented.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:55 am
sorry, didn’t mean to make you mad
i return after a long absince from posting and thats the greeting you give me though?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:58 am
I love this site. It’s the first thing I go to in the morning. I especially like lists like this one. The subject matter is great and I love reading the comments. Kudos to JFrater.
On an unrelated note (sorry)-
OUCHAN-what is your gravatar? I can’t make it out and when I try to enlarge it I just get pixels. Thanks-it’s driving me nuts (don’t know why!).
July 31st, 2009 at 11:11 am
When I was in my teens I was fasinated with perpetual motion to such an extent that I wanted to do an experiment.
I used an bicycle rim with a new shaft and greased bearings and rested the shaft ends into a metal stand ( cradle ), and fixed a fairly big magnet to the rim, and a second one on a wooden rod, so when you turned the rin the two magnets would pass each other face on with +- 3 mm to spare.
So each time the magnet on the rotating rim passed the stationary magnet positive against negative it would keep this wheel turning.
Shit this was 40 odd years ago, I thought I would win the nobel prize or something – but alas not to be magnets also wear out.
Thanks Jamie -nice list.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
A guy I knew when I was at Uni was an absolute freak. Even watching him walk around campus was funny, as he’d run for 30 seconds or so and then slow to a crawl for a couple of minutes.
He was also a physics genius.
Last I heard, he’d been accepted for post-grad studies, and he’d come up with an idea that would remove the need for power-lines. He’d been told not to speak about it to anyone because there were vested interests out there that might see fit to kill him.
When I read #5 “He was fatally beaten May 14, 2004 in Norwich, Connecticut by an unknown assailant. His violent death was suspected by some to be related to the nature of his work.” I thought immediately of this guy.
I wonder what happened to him.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
@undaunted warrior (66):
that is actualy the same principal behind the anti-gravity on the list, to make it true perpectual motion it would require eltro magnets, and a vavuum space, and the spinning of the wheel charging the magnets, becuase you also get gravity slowing it all down, and air aswell (which is why perpectual motion doesn’t work even in a vaccum you got gravity)
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
@taos777 (68): Friction also plays a big part in it, no matter how greased the axle is. Plus air causes friction.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
There is a song written about almost everything.
Those energy stimulators
Just turn your eyeballs into craters
But an orgone accumulator
Is a superman creator
It’s no social integrator
It’s a one man isolator
It’s a back brain stimulator
It’s a cerebral vibrator
I’ve got an orgone accumulator
And it makes me feel grater
I’ll see you sometime later
When I’m through with my accumulator. – Hawkwind
July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
taos777 @ (68) Thanks for that info, very interesting, always been fascinated with this topic.
But as mentioned in my earlier comment this was many many years ago, and being a young teenager at the time I though to myself that when I patent this, I would be one of the worlds riches guys.
My bubble has popped so many times over the years that I dont even chew gum anymore.
Thanks for the reply.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
@taos777 (68): That was not Jfrater but a dirty rotten imposter. I’m glad to see you back, rest assured.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Glad I came back to this site some new very interesting items which I wanted to know more about. Great work on your site.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I love a good conspiracy story.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Some very interesting points have been made here, it is refreshing to see that your site gets quality visitors.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Interesting…while the chronovision is the least plausible, if it did exist and could be reproduced, the others on this list could be rediscovered much more easily. Then one could combine the anti-gravity, cold fusion, Greek fire and earthquake generator to become an awesome supervillain. Sure, you could sell them for trillions of dollars, but villainy is funner.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
@timmar68 (65):
Now I have to look at that gravatar aswell. My guess, its someone wearing a batman helmet, hugging a dog.
(what do I win?)
July 31st, 2009 at 2:00 pm
@timmar68 (65): @chubbmeister (77):
You should check out the forums. Many of us (including oouchan) use the same avatars there and they are a bit bigger.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:02 pm
That was an interesting bit of reading, although a couple seem pretty obvious. For example, couldn’t greek fire be explained by simple oil? And flexible glass by plastic?
July 31st, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Hieronymus machines:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hieronymus_machine
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=516534
http://www.lifetechnology.org/hieronymus.htm
July 31st, 2009 at 2:37 pm
@timmar68 (65):
@chubbmeister (77):
Remember you asked!
It’s from a yaoi manga I read. It’s two guys kissing.
July 31st, 2009 at 2:38 pm
@Shifty (78): Thanks Shifty!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:44 pm
many disproved by mythbusters
the anti gravity device
the water fuel cell
greek fire
July 31st, 2009 at 2:58 pm
@undaunted warrior (71): “My bubble has popped so many times over the years that I dont even chew gum anymore.” I gotta remember that one.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Cold fusion didn’t start out as a hoax, but the results where proved to be unrepeatable. The state of Utah funded the NCFI (National Cold Fusion Institute) with GE, but produced no results supporting the existence of cold fusion .i think there is something mysterious about low temperature energy as you can see from this vid
ice vs thermite Mythbusters
July 31st, 2009 at 4:43 pm
“let’s not forget that Einstein rejected the early formulation of the big bang – who is to say he was right this time?” He rejected idea of big bang but said that math behind it is solid. And he later accepted it.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:46 pm
greek fire can’t be disproved tom as it was a historical fact so mythbusters didnt disprove it they just couldnt replicate it.
while i don’t believe in most of these inventions it does seem suspicious that most were murdered, attacked, had their inventions destroyed or were confined to mental homes.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I remember story similar to that of flexible glass. Some medieval inventor made something similar to machine gun. His king decided that such weapon would ruin art of war and applied his art of beheading on poor subject
July 31st, 2009 at 4:59 pm
great list! i love the science and conspiracy theory ones. more of these and less sporty ones!
if greek fire translates to liquid fire maybe it was just some sort of acid?
also watching the simpsons when i was younger made me think perpetual motion machines were real. “it just keeps going faster and faster”
July 31st, 2009 at 5:10 pm
LOL ouchan. I love it! I thought it was someone chugging a beer or something as I saw what looked like an arm raised in the air. So, I was sort of right-an arm IS raised, just holding something else!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:21 pm
@jaglarxwx (85):
thank you for the vid, but it isn’t the same as cold fusion, it still required the heat of the thermite, then again cold fusion itself still uses heat to boil water water and turn a turbine (like a regular nuclear plant) it is just a cheaper way of doing it, a metal in heavy water, the metal reacts with the heavy water (heavy water is h3o, extra hydrogen) there by releasing the extra hydrogen which is hot, then that heats up a tank of water, boiling the water, heating water in a pipe, the water in the pipe turning a turbine
that’s the best i can remember, been years since i studied it
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 pm
perpetual motion= The Cox Clock. look it up.
Telsa’s Vibrators: Thats right folks! Get them now while they last! Topple The Tallest Skyscrapers, BEFORE THEY ARE FULLY ERECTED! That’s right. If you’re like me and believe the modern age of architecture is a bloody eyesore, then a Tesla Vibrator is for you! With a device that is so small, it’ll fit in your pocket or concealed in your fist! you can’t go wrong!
But thats not all! If you buy now, I will throw in the Wild -N-Wacky Vibatronic 2000. The kids love them. All they got to do is stand on the little platform and click the switch and AWAY THEY BUZZ INTO VIBRATION FUN! But watchout for Grampa. The Vibatronic 2000 isn’t just for kids, Isn’t that right Samuel Longhorn Clemens?
-Speaking of Good Vibrations, John Keely’s Bizarro World of Invented Apparatuseseses.
-All those other telephones before THE telephone.
-Who never wanted to levitate? huh?
-I thought some US corporation stole all of Schauberger’s “ideas”(Ive always loved that picture of him ((although very cropped here)) with his power station).
then I recall that after Telsa died his hotel room was supposably cleared of invention paperwork. Its easy to start a conspiracy, yet I find them sometimes more of interest than the truth. yet from an idiot’s standpoint. The complex frame work of conspiracy theories are really amazing inventions in themselves.
Who was that artist? Lombardi, Mark Lombardi. Hung himself.
-Thinking of the different booms in Free Energy thought activity.
W.R.- Misterije Organizma
LSD
never heard of Father Marcello Pellegrino Ernetti before.
Chronovision makes me think of 3D glasses and all those crazy William Castle cinematic gimmick gadgets like “Smell O Vision”
which has triggered the whole “something-O-something”s as titled iventions
Belief-O-Matic, for instance. What, no Lafayette Hubbard here?
You know the Raelians were the first to clone a human, they had to publicly state their success the way they did to weed out the majority that had been fooled by the horrendously funded so-called “real scientists” and their fake ethical (ie: we care) slow pacing. Being true pioneers in the field, Cloneaid further suppressed themselves by fabricating the cloning as a hoax. So, by hoaxing a hoax, after sending out “the signal”, the true rebirth was able to take place and The Receiver is on it’s way.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Oh yeah right!, a monk in the 50’s invented and built a machine that can view and hear the pass. What a bunch of crap.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Cool list. Wouldn’t it be neat if the chronovision was real? That would be a great tool for writers to look back into the past and glean details for period works!
Also, it would be fun to see history as it happened.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Lisa come here a minute….
Yes dad
“in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!”
-Homer in reference to #8
July 31st, 2009 at 7:49 pm
@taos777 (91)
Heavy water is not H3O. Chemistry and physics are a little different.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@iamcanjim (96):
ok its 2h2o, little 2 near top then little two at bottom
deuterium, also called heavy hydrogen
but it still the same principle mentioned above
@Maximuz04 (95):
which episode was that again? now i want to watch it
August 1st, 2009 at 12:04 am
Wilhelm Reich? Geez…
August 1st, 2009 at 12:44 am
Without knowing more about #4 it would seem to be more of a urban myth. I must research this bad boy to figure out if someone is having us on. Water is lovely when in pretty little tanks, but can it create energy?
August 1st, 2009 at 2:51 am
Poorly researched list.
Amazing hardly describes any of these things. About the only credible things on your list are Greek Fire, Flexible glass and the Earthquake machine.
Next time include PROPER technologies. Damascus Steel? Tesla’s Death ray? Antikythera Mechanism? etc
August 1st, 2009 at 4:16 am
The list is you’re starting point. Build something. Prove it or disprove it, that’t the fun part. Even a hoax has something that can be expanded with a different point of view. Get off your butt and invent something. Then bar the door, I hear “them” coming for you because this is too good to get out. Or, maybe “them” are here to give you a large bag of cash for your idea. I pick door number two.
August 1st, 2009 at 4:49 am
From #1: “…Father Ernetti claimed to have witnessed a performance in Rome in 169 BC of the now-lost tragedy, Thyestes, by the father of Latin poetry, Quintus Ennius. He also claimed to have witnessed Christ dying on the cross.”
Hmmm, isn’t it amazing that he just happens upon those two events and not just some jamoke mucking out a horse stall?
Reminds me of those celebrities who claim to have been reincarnated. Somehow they know who they were previously and it’s always someone like Marie Antoinette, never some average farm girl.
August 1st, 2009 at 7:53 am
@95 taos777
Its the episode where the teachers go on strike
August 1st, 2009 at 10:10 am
http://www.thehutchisoneffect.com
August 1st, 2009 at 10:41 am
Niiice lol its a bit strange thou ;D
http://matts-people-search.ws
August 1st, 2009 at 11:22 am
just a thought here: could flexible glass have been an early form of plastic?
August 1st, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Make another list!
August 1st, 2009 at 3:01 pm
JFrater: as a composer, you’d also want to check out some of Percy Grainger’s “Free Music” machines as part of this list- while there are (non-working) prototypes for some of them, others have been lost (or damaged beyond repair.) If some of them would have been around (such as the one which he tried to affect pitch oscillations and create audible glissandi using brain waves), who knows what music you’d be coming up with now.
http://www.rainerlinz.net/NMA/articles/FreeMusic.html#3
August 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Very cool list, been reading them for a while now and I am definitely addicted to this site. I was surprised to see Eugene Mallove on here as he was a family friend…however, the police do NOT think his murder was related to his work. They think it was a botched robbery.
August 1st, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Random comment here:
I’ve always believed that time travel was possible, but it would involve finding a vehicle (most likely a jet of some sort) that was capable of moving extremely quickly. Essentially, the vehicle would just have to be fast enough to make it all the way around the Earth in less than one day, but for practical reasons it would need to be much faster. (Who wants to fly for twelve days to end up a few hours back in time?)
Thus, if you wanted to go back in time, you simply flew very quickly against the rotation of the Earth, crossing the international date line once for each day you want to go back (taking into account travel time as well). To go forward, you simply fly with the rotation of the Earth, but faster.
Also, it should be noted that you would still age up over the time you were gone. Therefore, if you went back in time for a year, you would still be a year older when you returned, even if you flew back to the same day you left.
This is a very impractical and quite unpleasant idea, yes, and the energy and risks taken are very high. However, I feel like it would work.
I’ve also always felt that time travel in itself is futile, and that time has already taken your interference in stride and made accommodations, that if you went back in time to kill Hitler or something that you couldn’t. Time runs on its rails.
August 1st, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Could it have been that the “flexible glass” was just plastic? It kind of sounds like it, but I don’t know if they would have had the resources or anything back then. Just a thought.
August 2nd, 2009 at 2:39 am
Fuckin great list man. Absolutely love it
August 2nd, 2009 at 3:31 am
@Zach (110):
I hopr to God you were being sarcastic. I don’t think you are though.
Flaws in your “idea”:
• When you fly across the Earth, you’re not going backwards in time at all. Timezones are a concept invented by humans to have a unified system where local time is measured with respect to the sun and that time is then relative to the reference time (Greenwich Mean Time) by a number of hours.
• Travelling at any speed (large fraction of c) would incur far too much friction in the atmosphere to ever be viable using a jet engine (acceleration is far too low). Even space is far from frictionless as a collision from one of the few and far between atoms would take a large chunk of momentum from the craft. Current technology optimized to it’s fullest could not overcome this.
• If we take into account special relativity, and you did travel in a very fast craft, and you went away for one earth year (wrt to Earth), you would age less than a year (you would feel like you went away for a day, but the people of Earth would all be a year older).
August 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 am
I sure wish the Evony woman would cover herself.
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:24 pm
the number 1 guy was definitely full of shit. Fuck you Father Ernetti, you lying bastard
August 2nd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
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August 3rd, 2009 at 4:52 am
interesting…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Tesla’s wireless transmission of energy: Tesla built it and it worked. However, for a number of reasons it was not practical. (I believe noise was a factor, but I may be remembering things wrong.) However, I recently read somewhere that new technology has made Tesla’s idea viable again.
Tesla’s Earthquake machine. I don’t think he built this with the intention of creating earthquakes. In any case, to make a true earthquake, the energy he would need would be impossible to generate. However, the device he did build would have had some use in building destruction (instead of dynamite) and even as a weapon, at least around the time he built it. Nowadays building might be too strong.
Finally, I believe there is nothing wrong with the idea of cold fusion, it’s just that no one has done it yet. Before the Wright Brothers, most people thought heavier-than-air flight was possible, but no one has achieved it yet. A couple of scientists did fake their results, which casts a pall over the ENTIRE concept!
August 4th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Wow, someone needs to write a story from alternate sixties where all these inventions work…
August 5th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
#1 made me LOL! How can anyone believe a priest to have time-travelled, or at least view an event of the past using a cabinet filled with crap, pieces and pieces of crap..(if that cabinet called chrono…whatever really exist in the first place)..Common man, a PRIEST?!!?Known for their teaching full of lies! It was actually funny that the priest-turned-scientist-while-still-being-a-priest claimed that he actually saw Christ being crucified when in fact Christ was not even hang on a cross..Silly, stupid and a lying priest like all the priest in the world now…
August 6th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Ooh flexible glass… aka Plastic…
“Hey, lets travel back to ancient Rome and wow the turnip heads with ‘amazing technology’ from the future! We go back with some Tupperware and they worship us as gods!!!”
Oops.
“Safety not guaranteed”.
August 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
this should be retitled wo wo list.
August 15th, 2009 at 7:01 am
An interesting list but i have to say most of it is absolute toss. I have been a scientific researcher for several years and i presonally find ideas such as cold fusion and the cronovision laughable. However, i do think that the greek fire could have easily been invented using an early mix of oils and waxes similar to a napalm
August 27th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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August 30th, 2009 at 4:49 am
No.6 has been done by John Hutchison in Vancouver, Canada;
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:18 am
Flexible glass…sounds like plastic.
September 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
You know what emits ozone? Arc welders. If ozone has so many benefits, how come welders don’t lead significantly longer lives?
September 17th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Perpetual Motion/Energy is all around us, at least for
as long as the Earth, Sun and Universe exist.
How to capture some of that energy? That’s the big one!!
Aether drag hypothesis, some food for thought
on energy and gravitational waves.
September 17th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
to 128) Prepetual motion doesn’t exist. Neither does our universe or anything else. If it existed, then what created it? If so, then what created the creator? and so forth. Time is indeed curved. It’s a circle, because the only reasonable explanation for the start of our universe is the death it, so when our universe collapses on itself, the cycle starts all over, repeating itself in exactly the same way down to the very atom. The only question is, what cycle is it on and how do we destroy this paradox that the universe is in. There’s 2 sides to everything. Ying Yang. Republican’s Democrats. Atheists and Godfolk. Well, theres existance, and nonexistance. Existance must have a place of origin. Something nonexisting must have created existance in order for existance to sustain it’s definition. Therefore we can clearly apply this analagy to the real world and claim that God doesn’t exist. God created the universe as a nonexistent source of energy. Time is God. God is Time. God keeps the cycle going. God doesn’t exist.
September 23rd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
flexible glass? i got some of that in my hand its called clear plastic. perhaps it was not glass exaclty but a kind of plastic in which case it wouldnt be a lost invention
October 12th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
In the 1950s “Chronovision” may be the term used by Father Ernetti for a computer’s monitor.
The Australian researcher, Ronald Pegg, found that a certain computer system has been documented throughout time.
Through some form of TIME TRAVEL, this device has been shown to many ancient people to give them warnings of what the future will bring.
Certain historical cd-roms were played on this device. One of them mentions ‘Thyestes’ in its “Atreus” article.
Is Father Ernetti’s discourse about ‘chronovision’ yet another encounter with modern computer technology that was sent back to the past ?
This computer system has been previously seen throughout history and documented as ‘an Oracle’ and ‘a Magic Mirror’.
The associated cd-roms were also known as ‘tablets of stone’, ‘book written within’, and ‘magic circles’.
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