Despite the fact that we don’t all live in a nation where guns are freely available to all and sundry, most of us will have heard of the designers or the guns themselves on this list. Here is a quick trip through the history of arms manufacturing.
The designer of the first successful machine gun, although not the first automatic machine gun. It was, in effect, a gigantic revolver of six barrels operated by a hand crank. A bin of several hundred loose rounds (not belt-fed) was set on top and gravity fed the ammunition into the breech, enabling someone who knew nothing of firearms to lay a sheet of lead into an advancing army, at about 200 rounds a minute. To the Civil War soldiers accustomed to muzzle-loading single rounds at a time, this might well have been like seeing something out of Star Wars.
It had its drawbacks, though, primarily that so much black powder churned up into a huge cloud around the weapon, and all the enemy artillery and snipers honed it on it.
The designer of the M1 Garand, which the U. S. military used to great effect in WWII, Korea and even Vietnam. General George Patton famously called it, “the greatest battle implement ever devised.” It was the first successful semi-automatic rifle to be issued to the military of any country. It fired the 30-06 Springfield round, an extremely powerful piece of hardware, which had been the standard since 1906, when it was patented for the bolt-action Springfield.
Soldiers entering combat were confident of themselves, because they had 8 rounds of serious firepower that they could fire as fast as they could pull the trigger. No movement was required to operate the action of the weapon, and the weapon weighed around 10 pounds: light enough to carry easily, yet heavy enough to manage recoil.
“Carbine” Williams went to prison in 1921 for selling moonshine, when the raid on his still resulted in an officer’s death. Williams swore that he was not guilty, and his trial resulted in a hung jury. However, he then confessed to 2nd degree murder, having fired at a sound without knowing if it was a man or an animal.
He was sentenced to 20 to 30 years, but was pardoned after 8 years because, in the prison machine shop, he invented two brilliant principles for the military’s firearms. Most importantly, he invented the short-stroke piston for use in gas-operated small arms. His patented design has not been improved on since 1940, when he perfected it, and it was first used in the M1 Carbine. The U. S. military had been searching for a lighter alternative of the M1 Garand, but still with long-range capability and stopping power.
Williams’s short-stroke gas piston was the key. He also invented the floating chamber, which greatly reduces recoil, and enabled the military to train its machine gunners with less expensive .22LR ammunition.
Today, the Mauser bolt action is the most widespread of all bolt-action firearms. It was adopted by the U. S. military for use in the Springfield 1903, which became standard issue until the M1 Garand. There are 3 major bolt actions, the Mauser, the Lee-Enfield, and the Mosin-Nagant. The Mauser has one significant advantage on the other two: a third locking lug at the rear of the bolt. The other two have only the two locking side lugs, and thus, cannot cope with the higher breech pressures of magnum rounds. They are, therefore, inadequate for hunting rounds intended to kill large, dangerous game.
The Mauser’s third lug gives it the strength to fire a round in any caliber currently produced, even the .700 Nitro Express, which is a rifle round almost as large as a 12 gauge slug, but extraordinarily powerful and designed to flip a charging bull elephant backward. Either of the other two actions would explode in the wielder’s face if such a powerful round were used.
The Mauser action is the most common bolt action in the world, present in nearly all hunting and military bolt-action rifles, and has not changed at all since the Mauser brothers perfected it in 1871.
The designer of the first truly automatic machine gun, in 1884. The Maxim gun was the primary armament of all major armies in WWI, and probably caused more battlefield deaths than any other firearm in history. The German and Russian versions were almost exact replicas, with only cosmetic changes. It fired 600 rounds a minute, using the recoil of each round to open the breech and chamber the next. This rate of fire was beyond belief to anyone in the world at the time. It was, therefore, the first truly modern weapon of warfare, able to lay waste to entire land armies. This necessitated the abandonment of the line-abreast approach armies had employed since antiquity. Classical formation battles were now a thing of the past.
Thompson saw in the trench warfare of WWI that infantry needed a “trench broom,” a weapon that could sweep away all the enemy in front of the soldier, in the same way as the pump shotgun, but with even more firepower. He used John Blish’s delayed blowback breech lock, which enabled the different metals of the weapon’s moving parts to slide together under the intense pressure of the round’s discharge without sticking strongly together.
In 1919, Thompson came up with the Thompson submachine gun, chambered in the man-stopping .45 ACP round. Thompson’s idea for a “trench broom” was now real, even if trench warfare had been made obsolete. The Thompson could fire at 600 to 1200 rounds a minute, with sufficient power to stop a 1942 Ford Super Deluxe automobile.
Designer of the first successful breechloading rifle. The 1819 Hall rifle was the first breechloader, but was still a flintlock or percussion cap weapon. Sharps used the brand new self-contained cartridge in his design, which was single shot, employing the sturdy falling block action, and extremely accurate. With only iron sights, experienced marksmen could hit game animals or enemy soldiers at 1,000 yards.
The cavalries of both sides of the American Civil War used it to great effect, and Sharps continued to improve on it. The 1874 version is the most well known, chambered in the powerful 45-70 hunting cartridge.
Designer of the first breechloading, lever-action, magazine-fed rifle. The Henry rifle fired about 28 rounds a minute, with a 16 round tubular magazine, in the solid .44 rimfire. He patented it in 1860, and 900 were issued to the Union army in 1862. The Confederates couldn’t believe what they were seeing, and lamented about “that damn Yankee rifle that they load on Sunday and shoot all week!”
Because it used a self-contained cartridge, it was no use for the Confederates to steal them, because they had no ammunition for it. It was the precursor to all lever-action rifles today, having been improved on very little.
He did not invent the revolver. But as a boy he saw that almost all firearms were single-shot muzzleloaders, and thus, when a man had fired, he was a sitting duck for the next 20 seconds, provided that he could reload that quickly. So he set about inventing “the impossible gun,” something that could fire repeatedly 5 or 6 times like Elisha Collier’s revolving flintlock, but would still be more reliable and faster to reload.
The result was the 1836 percussion cap revolver, which saw widespread use in the American Civil War. It was the first successful repeating firearm.
Browning patented 128 designs for firearms and associated apparatuses. He invented the gas-operated machine gun, an improvement over Maxim’s recoil operation. All machine guns since 1895 have used Browning’s gas operation.
He invented the 1911 model of the Colt .45 handgun, which is recoil-operated, and was standard issue for the U. S. military from 1911 until 1985. It is still used by many personnel today, and is one of the most popular handguns in the world. His design has not changed at all functionally.
He invented the lever action shotgun, based on Henry’s rifle design with a few moderations. Then, 6 years later in 1893, he invented the pump action shotgun. The function of this action has not changed since. Then, 7 years later, he still managed to top himself with the semiautomatic shotgun, the first ever. It is recoil-operated, and remained in production, changing only cosmetically, for 98 years.
He invented the Browning Automatic Rifle, a fully automatic 30-06 and a street sweeper if there was one.
He invented the 1919 .30 machine gun, and then even topped this with the 1921 .50 BMG. He also invented several cartridges still popular today, the ACP rounds in .25, .32, .38, .380, .45; and the .50 BMG.
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1 shandya
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 am
nice list. though I think those such things never existed on earth at the first place
2 shandya
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:36 am
*shouldn’t have* never existed
3 monjoriser
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:40 am
you made no reference to "Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov" …… any special reason for that, AK series cannot be ignored
4 timothyjames
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:45 am
Interesting list. Though I was expecting to see Smith & Wesson on here. Granted, I don't really know anything about guns – that's just a name that I strongly associate with them.
Although, in regards to #2, wasn't the famous Colt "Peacemaker" a revolver? From the quick bit of research I just did, they were instituted right after the Civil War in the US Military and was designed by Colt's manufacturing company.
One last thing, I'm not sure about the title of this list. Like I said, I don't know a lot about guns, but it seems like the actual mastery of designing guns comes after their first inception. Of course, all of these men were pioneers and extremely influential in the development of firearms, but I don't know if I would call them the greatest designers of said firearms. Just my two cents.
5 timothyjames
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:46 am
Seconded.
6 Muscarius
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 am
thougt Kalashnikov would be n°1. also: what about Beretta?
7 @PRKoneko
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:48 am
Oh, this is interesting! I haven't seen this topic in a while, so it's a refreshing serving from LV today!
8 danmoo071
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:20 am
completely agree
9 danmoo071
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:21 am
So American!….
10 Sheikh_Mahand
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 am
Is there any reason that they're all Americans? Kalashnikov should be number one no question, the AK-47 is THE most widely used firearm in the entire world.
11 Ali Hayat
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:31 am
No idea why.
12 mustangmarine
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:35 am
The beretta is an Italian cost effective way of making money.
The AK-47 is the best combat weapon ever.
13 RobertfH
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 am
Since this is all american..what about Winchester?
14 Grsa
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:47 am
really… Kalashnikov cannot be ignored, if his patent was not stolen by the army or the government or whoever, he would be the richest person on planet
15 Flytch
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:52 am
Too right, Kalashnikov should be number one.
16 Ali Hayat
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:15 am
What about :-
- Mikhail Kalashnikov
- Arisaka Nariakira
- Uziel Gal
- Eliphalet Remington
- Robert Adams
- Gaston Glock
- Alfred von Kropatschek
- Aimo Lahti
- Ferdinand Mannlicher
- Hugo Schmeisser
More like 'Top 10 greatest American firearms designers'. However, the Mausers have the most badass beards ever. Ever.
17 coocoocuchoo
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:17 am
Maxim was British, Mauser was German
18 Viper
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:07 am
Thought M.Kalashnikov would be here.
19 Arsnl
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:09 am
I had little doubt when i saw the title that this would not be a flamehorse list. If i remember correctly he’s from NC so yeah, not amazed.
Beside the obvious Kalashnikov, id like to mention also Robert Goddard (the inventor of the bazooka). He made it during ww1 but sadly (or happily, i prefer the later) the armistice was signed a week later. Tough luck.
20 Anti Emo
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:10 am
Agree with Ali Hayat.
21 missmozell
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:24 am
Ah. Now I finally understand the conversation in Hot Fuzz where they talk about Sgt. Angel shooting a crook with a Kalashnikov. I assumed it was a gun. Now I know it was an AK. You learn something new every day.
22 flgh
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:26 am
Sir Maxim is Brit. Since when do Americans get knighted?
23 paulo
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:36 am
Cool list!!!
24 Arsnl
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:43 am
Somehow i feel very good about not knowing at all what “third locking lug”, “12 gauge slug” etc, etc mean but the phrase “the most widespread of all bolt-action firearms” seems quite sad to me.
25 Smithdogg
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:54 am
Very much thought Kalashnakov was number 1… why not?
26 undaunted warrior 1
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:01 pm
Good list flame I carry a .38 special with hollow tips, and that can cause some damage.
Thanks enjoyed the read.
27 Jarggoh
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I agree with comments, how can you left Kalashnakov out? Okay, he wasn't the greatest designer, but he designed the greatest firearm there are to this day. And as a finnish, I was suprised that Aimo Lahti was missing. Hes Suomi Konepistooli design was first modern automatic rifle and example the AK-47 used almost the same mechanism (Suomi Konepistoolis blueprints were stole after the war by russian spy)
28 lalabhaiya
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:19 pm
Thirded
29 Sanyal
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:27 pm
Can you please inform us about the present statuses of some of these companies (if formed).
30 sega
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:40 pm
I thought Gordon B Ingram would be on here. He developed one of the most reliable sub machine guns, the MAC10. And Kalashnakov was left out.
"Guns dont kill people, bullets kill people"
Great list!
31 oouchan
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:46 pm
It's been said many times above, but Kalashnikov should have been on this list. Along with a few others in place of Henry or Sharps.
Also, I'm not a big fan of guns. If you want to own one, fine …. but I won't. I don't see a need to.
32 Lyric
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Mikhail Kalashnikov is not on the list because he wasn't a great designer. You may be a fan of his ak-47 but he his design wasn't advanced and only used technology developed by others.
33 stevenh
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:13 pm
While I may not agree with your order (if, indeed, you intended an order), I totally agree that these name should have been included.
Enough will be said about Kalachnikov, but to ignore Gal, Schmeisser, Mannlicher, etc is a disservice.
34 stevenh
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:14 pm
where is jajadude when you need him???
35 mainer
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Hiram Maxim was from Sangerville, Maine. He WAS NOT a Brit
36 Ali Hayat
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
smokin' guns on the list, firearms are what i use to keep my hoes and woes incheck yo
(An impersonation of jajdude whom we all love)
37 deeeziner
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Hey Flamehorse, you forgot Jim Bowie…
Oh damn, there I go bringing a knife to a gunfight.
38 Simone Nicole Figeroux
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
I swore that Samuel Colt would've been number 1, but anyway, cool list. I'm no fan of guns, I must say…
39 ArjayM
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Yeah you have the point.. It needs to be included there.
40 Simone Nicole Figeroux
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:55 pm
Lol!
41 Simone Nicole Figeroux
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm
Agreed! American list… But ok list, anyway.
42 Gav
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Excellent and informative. Lacking a few monumentals but overall a good encompassing list. I'm not sure who is greater- the designer or the one who improves on the design to make it more accurate/safer/effective. However you look at it, I feel good that civilians, not just governments, can own these…at least in many countries.
43 robfl
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 am
Just because the ak47 is so widely used does not make it the greatest weapon. People without any military experience do not know that ak47 teaches poor marksmanship. But, it is a good weapon for a peasant to use with minimum training. Interesting list.
44 Jazinho
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:31 pm
Fourthed
45 Gabriel
May 23rd, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Where's the dude that created the AK-47?
46 Anthony
May 23rd, 2010 at 3:32 pm
The Ak-47 was a remarkable design, and arguably one of the most influential weapons ever. It was extremely reliable, and never jammed. American soldiers during the Vietnam war would abandon their m16's for the Ak-47. To simply ignore Mikhail Kalashnikov makes this list irrelevant. Maybe he wasn't the greatest designer on this list, but he still deserves a place, and it better not be bonus. It's like making a list of the greatest quarterbacks and leaving of Joe Montana.
47 Cosmo312
May 23rd, 2010 at 3:35 pm
2. Samuel Colt
"He did not invent the revolver, but…"
hmm, odd that you put someone who improved the revolver at number 2, but dont include the person who actually invented the revolver at all. I wonder why that is…
*looks on Google*
Oh, would you look at that: The first revolver was invented by the German "Hans Stopler", and was the first multi-shot firearm of any kind in history.
What about the first machine-gun, invented by Englishman James Puckle?
What about the first cannon, invented by Ctesibius of Alexandria?
There are several thousand years of worldwide history that lead to the development of modern firearms. That you narrowed that down almost entirely into 19th and 20th century north america is almost a feat in itself.
48 whereishe?
May 23rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
Unbelievable. How could you possibly forget about Mikhail Kalashnikov, the creator of not only the powerful, but extremely devastating (not to mention cheap compared to any American rifles) AK-47? I was really hoping to see him on the list (especially as number one) but I guess the 60+ years of great usage by countries all over the world isn't enough to put him on the list.
49 jop
May 23rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
Finally someone understands.
These were all great innovators in firearms.
50 whereishe?
May 23rd, 2010 at 3:48 pm
I agree with you fully. After looking over the list again, I found out that only Paul and Wilhelm Mauser are not American. 1 OUT OF 10. It would have been really helpful to put some of your ideas into the list, especially Mikhail Kalashnikov, who is my all-time favorite.
51 Jay
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
I am afraid that you are a little misinformed. The AR is not an automatic rifle, it is a semi-automatic like the Ruger 10/22. One pull of the trigger shots one bullet. AR doesn't even stand for automatic rifle, it stands for ArmaLite Model, the name of the company that originally produced them. The military version M-16 is the automatic version. To own an automatic weapon requires a special license and extensive background and other checks. And yes, there are quite a few people who use AR's for hunting because they come in a wide variety of calibers. If anyone owns a fully automatic version of it, they got it illegaly or have the special license. It is also illegal for civilian's to own grenade launchers.
I have no problem with your views, just for spreading false information.
52 Jake
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Yeah why is that MASSIVE omission not there?
53 ThisListSucks
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Well he is not American so he therefore does not qualify to be on a Flamehorse list.
54 otcconan
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:21 pm
You left out a Browning design that also wears his name: The 9mm Browning Hi-Power.
55 Ringer
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:25 pm
Rubbish jop, it was a cheap and reliable weapon that could take a huge amount of stress and has been used for decades. That is a truly great weapon for an army. You have missed the point of a great design.
56 betterthantheoriginalwally
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Huge omission not putting in Kalashnikov…almost gives an otherwise good list not much credibility.
57 fivestring63
May 23rd, 2010 at 4:38 pm
Jay is correct. Also it depends on what state you're from that depends on some of the things you say. Here in Tennessee, Yes you need a background check if you buy from a dealer. But, you can sell person to person without a check. There is no waiting period here. Checks are done on the phone to the proper authorities in minutes.
Also here, we have no registration of firearms.
58 Lifeschool
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:03 am
Hi, an informative list in as much as most others by Flame. I bet he’s kicking himself with all this AK talk.
If there is a consensus, JF could rename the list ‘greatest American firearms designers’ or something – to make way for a sequel.
(or the cynic in me want’s to say ‘the top 10 MEN who killed the most people with guns’.)
-
Jajdude hasn’t been on the LV in years – fond memories there.
59 Robert Ott
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:08 pm
bill gates was knighted, and so was rudy giulliani (spelled that wrong i am sure of it) the former mayor of NYC if i am not mistaken.
60 Robert Ott
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:13 pm
i love how people make it seem like they are personally offended because some dumb russian guy didnt make the list. like the AK series of guns holds some special meaning to them in their lives or if they are just saying it because its their favorite gun to use in call of duty.
my bet is that only half of the people arguing for it have even seen any type of AK weapon in real life, and then only about half of those people have actually fired one.
by the way i love the list because i am currently playing through Red Dead Redemption (which i am loving btw) although i dont really like things with old western themes because the old west is just too american, no russian manufactured guns or anything….
61 FlameHorse
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:34 pm
Actually, you guys are absolutely right. I intended to put him at about 4th, but completely forgot. Screw up on my part. Sorry.
62 FlameHorse
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:36 pm
Yes, yes! I forgot Kalashnikov. I think I'd put him at 4th place. Total oversight!
63 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
You're a dick
64 Arsnl
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:44 am
@robert ott: it has nothing to do with testing the actual rifle. When people comment or write a list they dont have to have direct experience on that topic or even know everything on that item. Sometimes (actually id say most of the times) you have to rely on other people and on their experience. Im sure flamehorse didnt try all of these guns.
Ps i love it when people make statistics of the top of their head. Im sure you do statistics for a living, so you are quite an expert.
65 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:45 pm
I learned something new today.
66 steve
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:58 am
kalashnikov(is that how you spell it in latin alphabets?)should be on the list,also molotov,and
whoever invented the grenade should be on the list to
67 Arsnl
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 am
@steve: woow really good one. This must be the funniest comments here. Molotov didnt invent the cocktail. He was a soviet politician. Yes he was involved in the death of many people (signed the famous ribbentrop-molotov pact that practically made eastern europe a playground for russians and germans and he was involved in the katyn massacre) but he didnt put gasoline in a bottle.
68 ericKarthik
May 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
Lots of prominent names missing !!! Average list meant only for Americans
69 Edgar
May 23rd, 2010 at 12:03 pm
What about Stoner.
70 Ali Hayat
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:13 pm
LOL.
71 shaymm09
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:41 pm
Flamehorse has earned a reputation here for providing excellent, well-thought out lists. This one surely qualifies. Another good list.
72 Maggot
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Not saying your criticism isn’t warranted, but it would be nice if in your rush to criticize, you included the achievements of these names you mention. About four of them might be somewhat apparent to the novice reader, but the rest probably require looking up to understand why you think they should be on the list.
Btw, here’s a couple others to consider (sorry, more Americans):
Henry Deringer – invented the “pocket pistol”.
Jack Cover – invented the Taser.
73 MachooPurO
May 23rd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
Where is Oppenheimer
74 Maggot
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:14 pm
In addition to Arsnl’s comment about Molotov the politician, neither the Molotov Cocktail nor the grenade are considered to be firearms.
75 Jolly
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:52 pm
Why? For pointing out a large flaw in this list? Seems fair enough to me.
76 BooRadley
May 23rd, 2010 at 8:55 pm
Ha ha ha ha!!! Good one!
77 bassbait
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:11 pm
Fun fact:
Browning was an LDS member. I seem to recall some of his lists saying some very idiotic stuff about LDS, but it's just interesting to point out that the greatest firearm designer was the kind of guy who you would expect to be against shooting people.
78 ron
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:18 pm
Are you joking?
79 graz
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Pietro Beretta? Mikhail Kalashnikov? Gaston Glock?
Jeez what a bad list…
80 sime hui
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:41 pm
Where the hell is Kalashnikov? He is the indisputable greatest firearm designer of all time.
81 mailedbypostman
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:44 pm
Needs a followup. Still decent otherwise.
82 hermy304
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:10 pm
Ok its hard to go about this.They caused alot of deaths but how many of us now live a much better life thanks to these weapons in the fight for freedom and peace.Then they cause misery when their is no war just a cause for order and murder.
83 Saber
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:19 pm
So, so on Item 6 I've been thinking, that that gun was invented a hundred years earlier and the britons versus the americans on 1700+ and the americans where now using trenches not the old style formation then before the british could say FIRE! they're all blown to smithereens? HAHAHAHAH love to think of that.
84 roro
May 23rd, 2010 at 10:42 pm
agree
85 Scratch
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Nice. Well played sir.
86 kennypo65
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Saying that these guns killed a lot of people is stateing the obvious. The thing is these innovations in weapon design made the guy pulling the trigger safer. He was a more effective soldier, and could fight more effeciently. Yes, people died due to the use of these weapons, but in the end, perhaps fewer died before the conflict was resolved. Ya gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet.
87 krn
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:15 pm
thank you…. i thought i was the only one that notice he was missing
88 Bobble
May 23rd, 2010 at 11:25 pm
Yep, you forgot the king! The man whos weapon has claimed more lives than any other and used more than any other…
And Eugene Stoner…
and you forgot Mr Glock
89 Arsnl
May 23rd, 2010 at 5:18 pm
@kennypo: your argument made me think a little. (yes i do think in general before posting but this thing was a bit more delicate). Technically you think we should blame cars, boats and other means of transportation for the great number of casualties in recent wars? The these brought more people on the frontlines and more people equal more deaths and guns were just an easier way to do it right? So yes maybe if we’d have machine guns but still use horses the number of casualties would certainly decrease.
But your argument still doesnt explain one thing. Why did genocides become much more brutal the last, what, 400 years? I dont have statistics so ill just make some assumptions. Before the use of gunpowder to create a massacre you would need much more many people. If you have a spear of a sword you can hold your ground against how many unarmed people? Lets say not more then 10 right? They will charge and they will know well probably the first 2,3 will get killed but the rest can easily killed the guy with the sword. But with a gun everybody knows they are all likely to get killed. With a machine gun its even worse. You could kill what 20 unarmed people easily. A gun has a fear factor that a sword cant replicate.
So before to kill 10.000 people you would nead also a great army, all that hacking and slicing i imagine to be very tireing also. Nowadays you dont need that many people to create a genocide. You just have to push a trigger to kill. No need to go all the way deep with a sword. Its simple effective easy and it can be done for a long period of time. Guns made large genocides possible.
Guns dont kill people. People kill people. Yes obviously true. But with a gun its so much easier.
90 k1w1taxi
May 24th, 2010 at 12:56 am
What FIREARM did Oppenheimer invent? The atomic (or any other) bomb is NOT classed as a Firearm
DUH!!!
Lee
91 diogenes
May 24th, 2010 at 12:57 am
I'm SO glad you did NOT include Mikhail Kalashnikov on this list! That fuckwad killed my brother! and my brother's adopted brother! And HIS brother's dog! And his dog's vhs copy of Deerhunter!
Don't get me wrong, I luv guns!
92 diogenes
May 24th, 2010 at 1:00 am
by breaking a few eggs, you mean skulls? and by omelets you mean victory?
93 k1w1taxi
May 24th, 2010 at 1:03 am
Another factor you missed Arsenl is the gore factor in earlier times. Using a sword or spear the user gets covered in the blood etc of the victim. Rather off putting after a while, also doing so much killing up close allows the killer to actually see the results of his handiwork , whereas a firearm tends to distance the killer from his actions (Pun intended)
Cheers
Lee
94 k1w1taxi
May 24th, 2010 at 1:33 am
Pedantry time.
4. Sharps is known for his Rifles so why is this item accompanied by a picture of a pistol?
1.[quote] All machine guns since 1895 have used Browning’s gas operation.[/quote]
Surely contradicts [quote]The Maxim gun was the primary armament of all major armies in WWI,[/quote]
unless all armies were using Machine Guns that were over 20 years old? Not to mention that the Primary armament in numbers terms would have been the infantry rifles.
I also find it hard to believe you would Moderate anything when modifying a rifle action to work with shotgun cartridges.
Cheers
Lee
95 the mick
May 24th, 2010 at 1:46 am
don't know much about guns, but where is Smith and Wesson? or is it because they didn't make anything that was innovative in design?
by the way, no one can argue that the AK47 is indeed a very widely used and powerful weapon, but it is just that. powerful. its also highly inacurate, not as robust as many people think, and not very adaptable to changing conditions. other rifles have been designed to accept many add-on features, e/g laser sights, grenade launchers etc without any mods…
could be just me, but i spend wayyyyyyy to much time playing combat sims…lol
96 j
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:16 pm
Though I agree Kalashnikov should be on the list I disagree he should be 1. John Moses Browning invented more guns than the rest of the list put together while M.K. only invented one truly inovative firearm.
97 awhaaaaaat
May 24th, 2010 at 2:28 am
That's what I was thinking. It's literally the most popular, by that I mean well known, gun in the world. Most used probably too.
98 Plum
May 23rd, 2010 at 7:42 pm
AK’s are the most “pop-culture” popular guns. A midrange rockandroll gun that’s becoming obsolete. Urban enviro’s we have fully auto shotguns, and any field rifle could take out that AK in a heartbeat.
I would have loved to see remmington on here! All the hunters I know started with the 870 and they still have them. Rugged, simple, and accurate. And yes mostly american list… But frankly we’ve made 90 percent of the best guns ; )
99 Rossco
May 24th, 2010 at 4:31 am
Wow another terrible list. What has been happening to listverse lately…I love this site and the people who contribute to it are doing a great job. But c'mon. Step up ya game fellas.
100 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
May 24th, 2010 at 4:36 am
No for being a dick
101 dcasquis
May 23rd, 2010 at 9:40 pm
This is a nice list, but you should've added to people (in my personal opinion):
Mikhail Kalishnikov-inventor of the most reliable assault rifle (maybe even firearm) in the last century.
Manuel Mondragon-inventor of the world's first automatic rifle (the mondragon rifle)
And by the way, the M1 wasn't the first automatic rifle to be introduced succesfully into an army, the Mondragon Rifle was used by the Mexican Army in 1887. Wikipedia has a nice article on the rifle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mondragon_rifle
EDIT: Mondragon's design has influenced every single automatic rifle after it, it's pretty much the grandaddy of the M4's or the AK's being used in Afghanistan and Iraq right now.
102 jl anthony
May 24th, 2010 at 6:29 am
Hiram Maxim was American born. He moved to England in 1881 and became a naturalised British citizen in 1899. He devised the first weapon to use the power of recoil to load, fire and eject cartridges that were fed continuously on a belt of webbing. One development of his design was the rapid-fire Pom-Pom gun which fired one-pound shells.
Following further development at the Royal Arms Factory at Enfield the Maxim became known as the Vickers gun – a water-cooled weapon that could fire 450-500 rounds a minute – and as such it served through two world wars.
103 blag
May 24th, 2010 at 7:16 am
Sixth'd. Was seriously expecting Kalashnikov to be #1 on this list, given that the AK-47 is the world's most widely used assault rifle, and is of legendary durability.
104 bluesman87
May 24th, 2010 at 1:12 am
i dunno i thought you did it on purpose for some secret flamehorseness reason, was expecting him in part 2 with the inventors of the M16 and the glock, winchester smith and wesson etc . Also love Brownings (esp the highpower) they art like the Gibson of the firearm world….
105 bluesman87
May 24th, 2010 at 1:22 am
What about the guy who invented the super soaker ? When i was 8 that thing took the 2 year war with my neighbor to new levels…dont get me wrong the attrocities of that terible war has brought me nothing but guilt and shame…but sometimes a man realises the only justice there is is the justice he takes….
106 23redleader
May 24th, 2010 at 8:39 am
sweet list! i own a 1911 and i think its the greatest pistol ever made!
107 sammy
May 24th, 2010 at 9:14 am
Calm down tits. It's a good point. Besides, you're a tit! : )
108 Des
May 24th, 2010 at 9:50 am
No Joseph Manton?
109 Team BANANA
May 24th, 2010 at 10:19 am
I'm not much of a gun-nut so i didnt get most of the terminology but other than that great list.
110 monjoriser
May 24th, 2010 at 10:52 am
S#%t happens .. nice list otherwise
111 WTF?
May 24th, 2010 at 12:21 pm
I do not believe you're married to a gun collector, nor do I believe you even own a gun. Your post is just too misinformed and suspect. Just how does a .223 tenderize venison anyway? You have no clue, do you?
Are you also assuming gun owners are also Replublican and Christian? That's exactly what you imply when you try to villianize gun owners, republicans, and Christians in a single sentence. Not very subtle.
I think you are just saying you own a gun to make yourself look credible. Let's hope you're just making that part up, because if you actually named your .22 pistol, you have other issues.
112 stevezio
May 24th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
Except for leaving out Mikhail Timofeevich Kalashnikov I'd say this is the BEST LIST EVER
113 ringtailroxy
May 24th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
wow. so I stand corrected! I never said I was the collector or even touched my hubby's reloading table (I'm the dog trainer & artist of the family) but I do find the accusations a bit harsh, even by LV standards!
So I am uninformed, but since when does that deter people from speaking their ideas? A "better" person, a more "informed" person, would take the opportunity to educate & enlighten an uninformed individual, not berate them, insult them, & further turn them off of gun-toting, varmint-killing, GOPs.
Every day i meet people who don't know a damn thing about dogs, aside from the fact they throw some Ol' Roy dog food in a plastic bowl outside once a day. I still meet people whom would rather perpetuate old wives tales than listen to modern medical advancements.
Do I insult them? No! They would never listen if I did! So I point out their falacies, don't accuse them of not owning dogs, & hopefully, maybe, if I delivered the information in a simple & inviting manner, they learned something.
Yes I have P22. My hubby bought it for me & paid for me to have lessons at the local indoor range, so I would not be afraid of it & know how to use it if I ever needed to.
Oh-and the AR, used by the military or law enforcement, IS automatic. And if you think for one minute that serious collectors or criminals do not have them, you are the one whom is mistaken.
114 Gav
May 24th, 2010 at 1:10 pm
What about the Red Ryder Carbine-Action Two-Hundred-Shot Range Model Air Rifle. Other than the occasional risk of shooting one's eye out, it was a top design.
115 Scratch
May 24th, 2010 at 1:48 pm
Good list Flamehorse – has anyone pointed out that Kalishnakov is missing yet? No?
No really, I found the list very interesting – well done.
116 smbrickner
May 24th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
Well done. I am a big time hunter and love to see list's like this come out. While I am sure it will wind some people up I am glad the we are allowed to own guns. I do agree that automatic weapons shouldn't be owned by the general public. There is no use for them. If you can't hunt with it you don't need it in my opinion. The obvious exception being a self defense pistol.
117 Omar
May 24th, 2010 at 2:38 pm
You just made fun of people who criticize this list for the AK exclusion because "its their favorite gun to use in call of duty" and then proceeded to praise this list because you are "currently playing through Red Dead Redemption".
Did you happen to read this post before you wrote it? It stinks of hypocrisy and stupidity.
fail.
118 Robert Ott
May 24th, 2010 at 4:37 pm
notice the RDR part was still poking fun at the "anti-american" idea that is in the comments. and how would i read something before i have written it? that doesnt make much sense either, i think what you meant to ask was, "did you happen to read this post AFTER you wrote it?". but ill forgive you.
and i didnt know that hypocrisy and stupidity had any kind of scent to them, do they have those smells for air fresheners or those little things you hang on your review mirror?
119 Robert Ott
May 24th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
i do actually, im currently employed at the NISS (National Institute of Sarcastic Statistics) and the US Governments DRD (Department of Redundancy Department)
i compile various forms of data into useless info that people on the internet take offense to. i also put useless info that i have compiled from various forms of data onto the internet for people to take offense to.
120 LONSDALE
May 24th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Pretty sure it's nearing the Hundredth-ed mark, but I thought I'd make sure to chime in. Was expecting this highly influential designer to be somewhere in the top 5, if not #1. I believe the AK-47 played a lead role in popularizing "true" assault rifles to the point at which we see today.
121 leithold
May 24th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
thank you! Mikhail Kalashnikov should definitely be on this list.
122 massive611
May 24th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
Haha. Are you joking? Or are you Flamehorse just trying to do some self-promoting?? In any case, if it isn't Flamehorse, you really ought to look back at his old lists. I think you are either a) a very poorly informed individual, or b) you just wanted to make flamehorse feel better.
123 massive611
May 24th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
Flamehorse needs to go to his local library and get his passport done. I don't think he has any idea of what lies beyond American borders… such a shame…
124 k1w1taxi
May 24th, 2010 at 6:41 pm
Obviously you completely fail to understand the design objectives behind the AK 47. It hit every single one of them first go – and has needed no revisions top make it work in the conditions it was designed (in 1947) to operate – unlike almost every piece of US military hardware since that time. As for your alleged lack of robustness I would strongly disagree – it is both very robust in a outright sense and against any of it's opposition.
Cheers
Lee
125 johnnydouchebag
May 24th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
any particular reason why this list doesn't include the ak-47 lol that is the greatest gun in the world and i think that is the weapon that has killed the most and is still killing lol hell armies that are fighting each other are killing with ak's, much of the world uses ak's plus another gun you forgot is the Sturmgewehr 44 which essentially the first modern assault rifle…dude seriously look at the rest of the world why dontcha
126 fivestring63
May 24th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
OK, I'm trying to inform and enlighten you. Not all AR's and AK's or any other type of military weapons are all automatic. The semi-automatic variants are legal to own by anyone. I've own a few from time to time. I'm not a hunter. I'm a target shooter and not a criminal. The serious collector with a special license can own an automatic weapon. A criminal may have one, but he is just that, a criminal. Prosecute him instead of burdening the rest of us.
127 jEFf
May 24th, 2010 at 10:57 pm
[Quote]I do not feel that anyone outside of the military or police force should have access to anything beyond a hunting rifle or hand pistol. [/Quote] How about not owning one, then let anyone else who owns one do so?
[quote]No civilian should have an automatic rifle in their possession; there is no use for it.[/quote] With that logic, I would assume that you don't want anyone to own a car that can exceed the legal speed limit, since there is obviously no use for it…
If you don't like guns… Don't own one. No gun has EVER just gone out and committed a crime on its own… The problem is NOT the gun, it's the people who break the law with them… Take away guns, and the VERY same people will break the law with the next best think. Try to focus your energy by eeffectively analyzing and coming up with logical positions
128 therush
May 24th, 2010 at 11:08 pm
Winchester and Kalashnikov should have been on this list.
129 bucketheadrocks
May 24th, 2010 at 11:19 pm
The Browning is really good against Nazi Zombies i can tell you that.
130 Sam
May 25th, 2010 at 12:15 am
Yes but you shouldn't think Saber because you are not very god at it. It will only lead to trouble! Try to stick to something you are good at.
131 Yarp
May 25th, 2010 at 12:17 am
Agreed.
132 FATSEXY
May 25th, 2010 at 12:51 am
No Kalashnikov, no Beretta, no Glock?? I agree that any list of firearms designers has to have John Moses Browning at #1, and the rest of the list makes for lively debate. Good list.
133 shaymm09
May 25th, 2010 at 7:04 am
No joke, most of hist lists are somewhat thought-out and informative. At least eh knows how to properly put together a sentence–which is often not the case with some of these lists. I can't say I sgree with all the lists, but nontheless they're not too bad.
134 Heunceut
May 25th, 2010 at 7:27 am
Where's AK47?
135 eteddsy
May 25th, 2010 at 8:05 am
I think this should really be named the most famous firearms designers rather than the best. I only say this as it ignores a massive portion of firearms history and focus' on modernity's commercial brands. Who invented the brown bess? I personally have no idea, but in its day that weapon had more variations and was more widespread than the AK is today. There is no mention of the 17th and 18th century famous master gunsmiths who innovated powder composition and rifling techniques in their weapons.
But yes, there will always be a place for innovators like colt and kalshnikov who took established designs and made them more efficient and cheaper and thus gave the guns to the masses.
136 P. Button
May 26th, 2010 at 4:27 am
What's with all the pacifist B.S. in the comments? Sure guns kill people. So do cars, but you don't hear people saying that cars are intrinsically evil. Don't touch my guns and I won't touch your tofu.
137 epanterias
May 26th, 2010 at 6:01 am
The Garand: wasn't that the gun called 'suicide' by the American soldiers in France due to the very loud 'ping' made when the magazine was automatically expelled after the final round was discharged – allowing an enemy to 'free-fire' knowing the GI couldn't fire back because he was reloading?
BTW – where is Evelyn "Evo" Owen: inventor of the Owen sub-machine gun. THE most reliable automatic weapon produced durin and after WW2 – so much so that the Kiwi and US armies bought them by the thousands to supply to troops – especially those fighting in the Pacific, South-east Asia and Korea – it could be dropped off a cliff, dragged behind a boat, stomped into the mud and thrown at a wall – - – and STILL fire first time, every time and keep firing – even if the barrel was full of soupy mud
138 franco
May 26th, 2010 at 10:54 am
The Mauser wasn't really perfected until 1898.
139 John D. Walker
May 26th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
This list sucks. You didn't include some of the greatest firearms designers.
140 fizzure
May 27th, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Hiram Maxim was American born. He moved to England in 1881 and became a naturalised British citizen in 1899, when he was knighted. Maxim was the first to use the force of a guns recoil to load, fire and eject cartridges that were fed to it on a long strip of webbing. He used the same technique with the later Pom-Pom gun which fired one pound shells.
Variants of the Maxim machine-gun were used by numerous countries. In Britain after further development by Vickers at the Royal Arms Factory at Enfield, it became known as the Vickers gun, and proved a sound enough weapon to be used in two world wars.
141 Win
May 28th, 2010 at 4:09 am
Eugene Stoner and Kalashnikov have to be on this list. Both designed weapons so far ahead of their time they are still hard to replace. The M-16 and it's variants are the longest serving rifles in American history. The AK series is the most ubiquitous weapon in the world because of it's resiliency and simplicity.
142 Win
May 28th, 2010 at 4:11 am
@epanterias: Patton called the M1 the weapon that won the war. While the Germans and Japanese were putzing around with ejecting rounds and re-acquiring the target, the GI was pouring rounds downrange. A GI with some experience could have that rifle reloaded in a couple of seconds. No, the M1 was probably the best individual rifleman weapon until at least the Stg44 was fielded by the Germans. But the Germans couldn't field many of them. Every GI had an M1.
143 nonick
May 29th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
How about Geoge Constantinescu, Romanian inventor of the "Constantinescu synchronization gear", which allowed machine guns mounted on planes to shoot between the blades of its own propeller without damaging it? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantinesco_synch...
144 Magnumto
June 2nd, 2010 at 12:38 pm
FlameHorse, I don’t care what everyone else says, I think you did a great job.
Although you didn’t mention every single person who has a firearm named after him, you seem to have identified the major players who were responsible for more than just a single gun. Kalashnikov probably should be on there somewhere, just because the Soviets were able to make his (Kalashnikov’s) gun in sufficient numbers that they are now considered ubiquitous in any armed conflict. But one still doesn’t new weapons touting the “Kalashnikov action” or some such. His great contribution seems to be that the AK-47 was simple enough that it could be made by workers of limited skill (no negative reflection on Soviets or Russians intended), and that they could be fired and maintained by any idiot (negative connotation definitely intended).
Thanks for a GREAT list!
145 Matti
July 4th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Kalashnikov? Lahti? Stoner? Schmeisser?
146 mark hurney
July 11th, 2010 at 12:36 am
absolutely. I visited the Klashnikov museum in Tulla, south of Moscow. What other weapon is till in use that was made in 1947.
147 Vitalir
August 3rd, 2010 at 8:32 pm
Should have been number 1. When I was in Somalia we found a loaded AK buried in the mud, one of the guys in my unit wiped it off cleaned out the mouth of the barrel and it fired.
The thing was covered in rust and the idiot didn't think it would fire in a million years. But boom. If I was in the shit i'd rather have an AK over pretty much any weapon you could name.
The AK is the most reliable guerrilia combat weapon ever made.
It's not the most accurate and it's really heavy but it always fires. In 3 months of enemy arms training we had 200 solders training on the AK firing thousands of rounds each and not 1 misfire.
148 mace_windu
August 16th, 2010 at 7:38 am
I don' get it.. Everybody says: AK 47 isn't a great waeapon.. I quote: "and that they could be fired and maintained by any idiot". First: guns ussually aren't fired and maintained by geniouses, so please.. The point of any weapon is that it's efficient, reliable and easy to handle.. Excuse me, but to fire a Colt you certainly don't have to be genious.. That's the point. Good gun is a good gun.. If you want to make transparent list, it must be objective.. This one isn't. I'm not saying that Kalishnikov had to be No.1, but to make a list without him.. That's not transparent.. Just isn't.. We can say what his gun is today.. It's not the best gun today. But it was the best gun of it's time, as was for instance MP40, and this list list can't be complete without thier inventors. That's it