Top 10 Greatest Rockers
Published on July 14, 2008 - 507 Comments
We have had some very controversial lists relating to rock and pop music over the past year and a bit - and today we have one that I think might take the cake. This is a submitted list of the ten greatest rockers (bands or individuals). Almost all of the bands or people here have been featured on other lists but in differing orders or for different reasons. Hopefully there is at least one group here for everyone’s taste!
The Beach Boys are an American rock and roll band. Formed in 1961, the group gained popularity for its close vocal harmonies and lyrics reflecting a California youth culture of surfing, girls, and cars. Brian Wilson’s growing creative ambitions later transformed them into a more artistically innovative group that earned critical praise and influenced many later musicians. The group was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1988
Metallica is an American heavy metal band that formed in 1981 in Los Angeles, California. Founded when drummer Lars Ulrich posted an advertisement in a Los Angeles newspaper, Metallica’s original line-up consisted of Ulrich, rhythm guitarist and vocalist James Hetfield, lead guitarist Dave Mustaine, and bassist Ron McGovney.
Metallica has released eight studio albums, two live albums, two EPs, nine videos, and has finished recording their upcoming ninth studio album, Death Magnetic. The band has become one of the most commercially successful and influential heavy metal acts. With over 95 million records sold worldwide, including 57 million in the United States, the band has won seven Grammy Awards, and has had four albums peak at number one on the Billboard 200
Queen are an English rock band formed in 1970 in London by guitarist Brian May, lead vocalist Freddie Mercury, and drummer Roger Taylor, with bass guitarist John Deacon joining the following year. Queen rose to prominence during the 1970s and are arguably Britain’s most successful band of the past thirty years.
The band is noted for their musical diversity, multi-layered arrangements, vocal harmonies, and incorporation of audience participation into their live performances. Since 1975, eighteen of the band’s albums have reached number one on numerous charts around the world. Since 1973, they have released fifteen studio albums and five live albums.
Pink Floyd are an English rock band who initially earned recognition for their psychedelic or space rock music, and, as they evolved, for their progressive rock music. They are known for philosophical lyrics, sonic experimentation, innovative cover art, and elaborate live shows. One of rock music’s most successful acts, the group have sold over 200 million albums worldwide including 74.5 million albums in the United States alone.
They have released fourteen studio albums, four live albums, seven compilations, twenty-six singles, twenty-six B-sides, fifteen music videos, and six video albums.
The Who are an English rock band that formed in 1964. The primary lineup consisted of guitarist Pete Townshend, vocalist Roger Daltrey, bassist John Entwistle and drummer Keith Moon. The band reached international success, became known for their energetic live performances, are regarded as one of the most influential rock bands of the 1960s and ’70s, and recognized as one of the greatest rock and roll bands of all time.The Who have sold more than 100 million albums worldwide.
The Who were inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1990, the UK Music Hall of Fame in 2005 and won the first annual Freddie Mercury Lifetime Achievement in Live Music Award in 2006. They received a Lifetime Achievement Award from the British Phonographic Industry in 1988, and from the Grammy Foundation in 2001, for creative contributions of outstanding artistic significance to the field of recording. Tommy was inducted into the Grammy Hall of Fame in 1998, “My Generation” in 1999 and Who’s Next in 2007.
The Rolling Stones are an English band whose music was initially based on rhythm and blues and rock & roll. Formed in London and having their first success in the UK, they subsequently became popular in the US during the “British Invasion” in the early 1960s.
The band formed in 1962 when original leader Brian Jones and pianist Ian Stewart were joined by singer Mick Jagger and guitarist Keith Richards, whose songwriting partnership later contributed to their taking the leadership role in the group.
The Rolling Stones have released 22 studio albums in the UK (24 in the US), eight concert albums (nine in the US) and numerous compilations; they have had 32 UK & US top-10 singles, 43 UK & US top-10 albums between 1964 and 2008 and have sold more than 200 million albums worldwide. 1971’s Sticky Fingers began a string of eight consecutive studio albums at number one in the United States. In 1989 the Rolling Stones were inducted into the American Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
The ‘Jimi Hendrix Experience’ were an English/American rock band famous for the guitar work, original songs, outrageous style and performance of its eponymous frontman Jimi Hendrix on songs such as ‘Hey Joe’, ‘Purple Haze’, ‘Foxy Lady’, ‘Fire’, ‘Little Wing’, ‘Spanish Castle Magic’, ‘All Along the Watchtower’ and ‘Voodoo Child (Slight Return)’. They are also known for their performance at Woodstock. The Experience was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 1992.
Led Zeppelin were an English rock band that formed in 1968. Led Zeppelin consisted of Jimmy Page (guitar), Robert Plant (vocals), John Paul Jones (bass guitar, keyboards) and John Bonham (drums). With their heavy, guitar-driven sound, Led Zeppelin are regarded as one of the first heavy metal bands. However, the band’s individualistic style draws from many sources and transcends any one genre. Their rock-infused interpretation of the blues and folk genres also incorporated rockabilly, reggae, soul, funk,classical, Celtic, Indian, Arabic, pop, Latin and country.
Close to 30 years after disbanding following Bonham’s death in 1980, Led Zeppelin continues to be held in high regard for their artistic achievements, commercial success and broad influence. The band has sold more than 300 million albums worldwide including 111.5 million sales in the United States and they have had all of their original studio albums reach the U.S. Billboard Top 10.[16] Led Zeppelin are ranked No. 1 on VH1’s 100 Greatest Artists of Hard Rock. Rolling Stone magazine has described Led Zeppelin as “the heaviest band of all time” and “the biggest band of the 70s”.
Elvis was an American singer, musician and actor. He is considered a cultural icon, sometimes referred to as “The King of Rock ‘n’ Roll”, or simply “The King”.
Presley began his career as one of the first performers of rockabilly, an uptempo fusion of country and rhythm and blues with a strong back beat. His novel versions of existing songs, mixing “black” and “white” sounds, made him popular—and controversial—as did his uninhibited stage and television performances. He recorded songs in the rock and roll genre, with tracks like “Hound Dog” and “Jailhouse Rock” . Presley had a versatile voice and had unusually wide success encompassing other genres, including gospel, blues, ballads and pop. To date, he has been inducted into four music halls of fame. The King has had 215 top singles worldwide.
The Beatles were a pop and rock group from Liverpool, England formed in 1960. Primarily consisting of John Lennon (rhythm guitar, vocals), Paul McCartney (bass guitar, vocals), George Harrison (lead guitar, vocals) and Ringo Starr (drums, vocals) throughout their career, The Beatles are recognised for leading the mid-1960s musical “British Invasion” into the United States. Although their initial musical style was rooted in 1950s rock and roll and homegrown skiffle, the group explored genres ranging from Tin Pan Alley to psychedelic rock. Their clothes, styles, and statements made them trend-setters, while their growing social awareness saw their influence extend into the social and cultural revolutions of the 1960s. After the band broke up in 1970, all four members embarked upon solo careers.
The Beatles are one of the most commercially successful and critically acclaimed bands in the history of popular music. The Beatles are the best-selling musical group in history. In the United Kingdom, The Beatles released more than 40 different singles, albums, and EPs that reached number one, earning more number one albums (15) than any other group in UK chart history. This commercial success was repeated in many other countries; their record company, EMI, estimated that by 1985 they had sold over one billion records worldwide. According to the Recording Industry Association of America, The Beatles have sold more albums in the United States than any other band. According to Rolling Stone Magazine, The Beatles’ innovative music and cultural impact helped define the 1960s, and their influence on pop culture is still evident today.
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1. Jackie - July 15th, 2008 at 5:40 am
I’d replace the Beach Boys with Aerosmith…
2. Val - July 15th, 2008 at 5:42 am
Nice! haha ^_^
3. codman - July 15th, 2008 at 5:45 am
What the hell? Black Sabbath should be number 2 Led Zeppelin should be number 1 and the Beatles shouldn’t be on there! The Beatles are good but they’re not that good. Metallica should be higher and Guns n’ Roses and Aerosmith should be on there instead of Pink Floyd and The Beatles.
4. Judit - July 15th, 2008 at 5:47 am
sorry codman, I love it the way it is…
5. mregan - July 15th, 2008 at 5:53 am
The Boss is conspicuous by his absence.
6. Frank - July 15th, 2008 at 6:02 am
Is this really a necessary list? Besides, this subject is probably different for everybody, so I see little sense in posting a list here, other than to indulge personal opinion.
7. Cate - July 15th, 2008 at 6:03 am
Cool!
Jimi Hendrix always
8. f - July 15th, 2008 at 6:06 am
The Who?
THE WHO! ANYONE?
9. RConrad - July 15th, 2008 at 6:08 am
How about a list of top 10 (pairs of) Knockers.
This would be a GREAT LIST.
Hope to see it soon.
10. warrrreagl - July 15th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Of course The Beatles are number 1. Of course. But besides that, I think the bulk of the debate on this list will revolve around using the word “rocker.” Is this list supposed to represent Guitar Hero types or Pop stars or valuable slices of 20th century musicology?
I’d like to challenge all those who suggest an alternative entry on this list give us an A side and a B side - who should your suggestion replace?
11. Crispin - July 15th, 2008 at 6:13 am
BLACK SABBATH???????????
12. rockon - July 15th, 2008 at 6:13 am
WHERE THE HELL IS MORRISON!!! WTF!!!…..cmon ppl…..he was the best rocker ever……..
13. Christian - July 15th, 2008 at 6:17 am
I agree with Aerosmith - I was surprised when they weren’t on the list. The Beach Boys????? I don’t get it.
14. henry o - July 15th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Sorry, qwerty_man, but this is about the most random list on the whole site. Your rationale doesn’t really mean anything.
15. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 6:20 am
WHAT *IS* THIS freakin’ obsession with classic rock?
Haven’t you people ever heard of PUNK?
AND WHY ALL THE GODDAMN WHITE PEOPLE? Jimi Hendrix is only here because he’s the darling of suburban whites, the token black guy… and only because he played guitar the way white heavy metal kids *want* to play. Kee-ripes.
Where the hell is Chuck Berry? Otis Redding? Jackie Wilson? JAMES BROWN? For that matter, what about Jerry Lee Lewis? Quite a bit more a “rocker” throughout most of his career (except for his descent into country) than Elvis was in reality.
QUEEN? The godawful, drekky QUEEN are included? And The Clash are left off? The Sex Pistols? Where the hell are *they?*
And what IS THIS obsession people have with Pink Floyd? They’re on a list of top 10 ROCKERS? Their music puts me to sleep, and it’s pretentious to boot. Good lord.
And the Beach Boys… oh for the love of christ. I love the Beach Boys, but I would never have put them on a list of this nature.
I don’t know how old qwerty_man is, but I’m willing to bet he’s younger than me. Born perhaps in the 70s, maybe even the 80s.
Explain to me, someone… PLEASE… how it is that these kids/twenty-somethings, etc., have developed this bizarre amnesia where they utterly forget most of the music of the last THREE GODDAMN DECADES (except for execrable metal nonsense like Metallic–don’t even get me started on the irrational worship of Metallica… it’s so freakin’ suburban/rural white it makes me sick) and are hyper-focused on stale music from long before they were born? What IS THIS?
I love the 60s music, myself. I was born in the 60s. I still love the soul, R&B, the pop, and the rock & roll of that era (and the 50s as well). But I grew out of this adoration for has-been styles of hippie music AGES ago. Yes, the Who were an important band and made some great music. But in looking back, they are no more important than the Sex Pistols or the Clash or Nirvana. And in fact, a lot of the Who’s music is far more forgettable and lousy than any of these bands… they had a lot of clunkers, as did the Stones. No one today remembers this. It’s conveniently forgotten.
So okay, I can understand the hero worship for these ancient monuments of rock… but why is hero worship for more recent monuments of rock UTTERLY NEGLECTED? Why are the Clash forgotten? The Ramones? The Sex Pistols?
It’s like these bands are taken less seriously because they didn’t go for making pretentious “concept albums” and ridiculous “rock operas.”
And the omission of anyone of color here, except for Hendrix… it just screams white middle-class rural/suburban ignorance and faint racism.
16. RConrad - July 15th, 2008 at 6:23 am
Why is it that you get,Jim Morrison freaks,Elvis freaks and Pink Floyd freaks but you don’t get beatles or Rolling Stones freaks etc?.
You must know what I mean!!!!
17. kowzilla - July 15th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I foresee the comments section taking a certain route in the near future…This route to be specific http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/duty_calls.png
ANYWAY,
Good work, all of these choices are very valid.
18. Kreachure - July 15th, 2008 at 6:27 am
Well, this list is as subjective and generic as it gets. The comments will obviously be flooded with:
-agreement and disagreement and complete disagreement
-complaints about how some bands are too pop to be considered ‘great’ rock bands
-complaints about the lack of classic metal bands
-complaints about the lack of more modern bands
-mentions of many other rock bands which could be considered ‘great’ as well
-other complaints that I myself can’t think of but will surely pop up in commenters’ heads.
I certainly don’t see the “Twist” of this list (if you don’t get what I’m saying, please refer to this site’s motto). It’s just a generic list you can easily find anywhere else on the net, and done by people considered to be experts on the subject too.
19. RConrad - July 15th, 2008 at 6:29 am
Spot on Randall,although I am not a great punk fan,you are CORRECT.
20. Cyn - July 15th, 2008 at 6:35 am
now, now children. do let us behave. no name calling. its only a list.
and one regarding a truly trivial topic.
21. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Cant disagree with the Beatles. Not if you have half a brain.
I think I’m gonna enjoy the comments on this list far more than the list itself.
22. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Randall, who are some black guys that rocked? I love blues, I wouldn’t say any of them rocked except like Chuck Berry. To call it racist when there’s only a hand full of black bands who play rock music out of a million white bands is ignorant. Rock is pretty much aimed at white middle-class anyway.
I do agree though that the entire punk generation is way overlooked, the Ramones totally deserve a spot on here. Yeah a lot of the Who’s and the Stone’s music is pretty forgettable, but they also had a lot of hits. As did bands like the Ramones and the Clash who put out 8 CD’s and came out with 5 songs that people actually know.
The list has a few problems, but any list based on opinion will. High-five to the writer.
23. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Hahaha.
That is so true to this site Kowzilla.
24. SlickWilly - July 15th, 2008 at 6:43 am
I’ll agree with just about everything Randall said, except his comments about Queen and Pink Floyd. This list was not very well thought out. It’s almost as if the author got the idea - a bland and generic one, if you ask me - and typed the list up with about five minutes of actual work, considering most of the description sections are copied and pasted directly from Wikipedia. I’m sorry, but I just wish some people would put a little more thought into their lists.
25. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 6:44 am
Now that I can agree with. Not one of LVs finest lists.
Nothing special about it. I didnt learn anything I didnt know before.
26. mr_evilmonkey - July 15th, 2008 at 6:56 am
Punk Sucks.
What no Tool?
27. Cyn - July 15th, 2008 at 6:56 am
http://listverse.com/submissions
for those of you who don’t like this list, i’d suggest submitting your own for consideration.
btw..
given that there are 100’s and 100’s of lists in archives…i’m sure not every single one would be considered stellar material by every single LVer.
viva la difference! each to their own opinions!

28. James - July 15th, 2008 at 6:59 am
What about Santana? I have not seen this name on any of the music/rocker/performer lists. He is still making hits to this very day and he as covered every stype of rock there is out there and still had room or Latin, Afro Cuban and R&B.
What up wit DAT????
29. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 7:04 am
Trigun472:
WHO ARE SOME BLACK GUYS THAT ROCKED?
Are you freakin’ SERIOUS with that shit? And you’re calling ME ignorant?
Black folks INVENTED rock & roll! And no, pinhead, it is NOT “aimed at white middle class”—you just THINK it is, because like ALL white middle class lunkheads, you think the world revolves around you.
I already NAMED some black guys that rocked! Can’t you read? Have you never heard of James Brown? Wilson Pickett? Bobby Womack? Otis Redding? I could tick off a dozen others! Lloyd Price! Jackie Wilson! Aretha Franklin! Etta James! The Temptations! The Isley Brothers!
My god! Don’t give me this crap, that these guys didn’t rock. It IS racist to term them “black music” as though they have no right to lay a claim to rock & roll… as though that’s strictly “white music.” It’s ridiculous, AND disgusting.
30. amoondoo - July 15th, 2008 at 7:05 am
Kreachure: well said.
this is great!
thanks!!
31. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 7:05 am
Randall- perhaps the reason that the kids of today look back to “stale” music from before they were born is because almost everything that comes out now is cookie cutter. There are a few exceptions but the kids who want real music are required to harken back to days gone by to hear true music.
32. Dani - July 15th, 2008 at 7:07 am
RE: Randall
Thank god the Sex pistols were left off because they are terrible. There are much better representatives of punk out there.
Anyway, this sounds like a typical 15 year old kid’s list who is just getting out of their nu-metal phase. Somebody who hasn’t really gotten a taste of what’s out there music-wise.
33. Mom424 - July 15th, 2008 at 7:08 am
What the hell is going on? I actually agree with Randall on a music list. I too would have glossed over the punk/nw scene, much as I did in real life, but there is no mention of the true pioneers that Randall mentioned. No Chuck Berry, No Jerry Lee, No Janis, and way too much commercialized pap. I didn’t learn anything today. How did these folks influence rock music and those who came after? It doesn’t say anything much, now does it? Commercial success should not be the only yardstick when creating a list like this. Boo!
34. romerozombie - July 15th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Was this list posted just to cause arguments? The order isn’t factual, just personal opinion, so it can’t be. Did Rolling Stone submit this list? They did, didn’t they?
35. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Dani:
Look, to each his own about the Sex Pistols. Personally I think you’re nuts. I don’t know how you can say they were “terrible”… do you not understand the whole IDEA behind punk?
But anyway, as I say, I’ll let that go. But the reason I brought them up in particular is also because of their HISTORICAL importance. The Pistols and the Clash set the scene for punk in many ways, along with the New York bands like Television, Ramones, Blondie, Talking Heads, and so on. But as we know, it’s that *sound* of the Clash and Pistols that more or less “became” punk in time… it turned into a style based on that sound, rather than the idea it originally was (to just be able to get up on stage and play, regardless of ability).
At any rate, I agree with your assessment of the list otherwise.
36. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 7:15 am
What about woman rockers, guys?
37. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 7:15 am
Dani- Love the comment about nu-metal. I personally like metal but the nu-metal is part of the cookie cutter music I was referring to in my former post. It all sounds the same. Also, Black Sabbath should have the Metallica spot. While I like Metallica they are not the best metal rockers.
38. Kristin - July 15th, 2008 at 7:17 am
All I have to say is Skynyrd!!!!
39. Royce - July 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am
The Beatles never rocked they were terrible live performers barely performing 20 minute shows. Zeppelin should be number 1 everyone knows it.
40. Hobolad - July 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Hehe, this list is gonna cause some entertaining arguments.
Personally- I’d have got rid of Zeppelin (Maybe I’m alone in this, but serial-song-stealing perverts aren’t my cup of tea). And- Bowie. We needed some Bowie! And Dylan! Stone Roses if just for the first album… The Clash- of course!
That’s just me though! We all differ, that’s what’s cool about music! It just wouldn’t be the same if there was a rock solid formula for what we like that could be churned out mechanically and please everyone.
41. deedee0323 - July 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am
Good list but I feel like it’s been done before so many times. I knew the rankings before I even read it.
42. Cash Pash - July 15th, 2008 at 7:19 am
No Nirvana, no Pearl Jam, no Red Hot fucking Chili peppers? No love for anyone post 70s except for Metallica, who blow major cock anyway. I’m sorry, is this the greatest rockers or the best 70s fags? What about Slash or Guns n Roses? Slash is the best fuckin rocker ever. How about STP? How about ACDC? Honestly, get some fucking brains, this is pitiful. Why so much disrespect for the 90s? It disgusts me.
43. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Shut up about the beatles. They were great.
44. youmademerealize - July 15th, 2008 at 7:21 am
Thin Lizzy would of been nice…
45. Hobolad - July 15th, 2008 at 7:23 am
“The Beatles never rocked they were terrible live performers barely performing 20 minute shows.”
The Beatles played pretty much all day in the Cavern…
46. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Sorry Randall apparently I did miss the paragraph of you pointing them out. Most of the names you pointed out are R&B/Soul/Blues though, which to me is a different category as “rockers”. That’s not to say they weren’t good, or I don’t like the, or they weren’t influential, but on what is basically a popularity scale style list for Rock they really don’t have a place up there. BTW unless I made a typo somewhere, I never called their style black music, nor did I say rock n roll was a white only genre. I’d agree that’s retarded. I’m also not saying this is a well thought out list, or everyone on it deserves to be there.
47. Jenna_Bug - July 15th, 2008 at 7:26 am
Wow this list caused a lot of arguing…. Music lists will never please everyone obviously. Everybody has different taste. I personally like most of the list, Queen is my favorite band, so…
48. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 7:30 am
Randall…come down off that soapbox and join us please. This list was not the top ten greatest Punk Bands, this list was not the top ten greatest R & B or soul singers, it was top ten best ROCKERS. You’re in the wrong genre and I don’t know where you pulled that race card from. I usually agree with you, but you’re barking up the wrong tree..wrong whole FOREST with this one, bud.
In keeping with the toip ten best ROCKERS, I agree Aerosmith, GNR and maybe NIN should be included. The Beatles and the Beach Boys are more pop and should be saved for a different list. Same with Pink Floyd- but them on a jam bands list…oooo jam bands. Someone do that.
49. SaturnIon - July 15th, 2008 at 7:31 am
I agree with Cash Pash….
I’m very disappointed that Guns N’ Roses aren’t on the list. Whether or not you like them, there is no denying that they rock, and Slash is one of the best guitar players ever.
50. Adam - July 15th, 2008 at 7:31 am
Randall, you are stupid….stop talking cuz you dont know anything. Other then the Beach Boys, this list is great the way it is. Stop pushing for the Sex Pistols- cuz theyre just not good
51. GuyIncognito - July 15th, 2008 at 7:32 am
Queen you got right, but they should be higher on the list.
And I agree with Cash Pash, where the hell is Nirvana or Pearl Jam? They always but on great, exciting, high energy shows. Pearl Jam still does, I saw them about a month ago. Those two bands were/are the definition of rockers.
52. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 7:39 am
Eh? Last I checked punk was rock, so why if the Beach Boys are here can’t The Ramones or The Clash be? And sure The Sex Pistols didn’t play that well, but they made a huge impact and they rocked
53. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 7:43 am
CashPash- Totally agree. This list seems to be more musicians not”ROCKERS”. The best bands for that genre have almost all been left off. Elvis Presley was not a “rocker”. He helped to create but he was not a rocker. Just listen to the you tube clip-not rock!Sorry, I know I have angered impersonators all over the world with that one!
54. Phender_Bender - July 15th, 2008 at 7:45 am
Where are Dragon Force??
Relax, it was a joke.
55. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 7:47 am
RConrad- do you think a list about tits would be safer? that is a subject that will certainly be disagreed on. Some like melons and some like mosquito bites. Some like pear shaped and some like oranges. See my point? Anyway if you want to see tits that bad- you are on the internet!
56. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 7:49 am
hahaha dragon force. Why not Deathklok?
57. Cyn - July 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
RConrad and scarlettangel

that comment was moderated as spam. thought it was a pornbot.
this is not a porn site. i suggest you Google ‘porn’ if you want that kinda thing.
58. Crispin - July 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Seriously,
I love Metallica and I guess they represent Heavy Metal on this list, but really this list should have The band that started Heavy Metal: BLACK SDABBATH!!!!
I wouldn’t classify Elvis, Beatles, Chuck Berry, or Beach Boys as “ROCKERS” they are pop. Talented but not rockers
59. warrrreagl - July 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
“The Beatles never rocked they were terrible live performers barely performing 20 minute shows.”
“The Beatles played pretty much all day in the Cavern…”
And the strip clubs of the Reeperbahn in Hamburg, as well. There, they played daily 9-hour shows. They are well-documented in England as being the most vicious, savage, tenacious, and hardest rocking tight band anyhwere. By the time they got to the 30 minute fluff shows in America, their reputation was sealed.
And although I can see where Randall’s fury is coming from, I have to semantically disagree with Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Aretha Franklin, et al, as being “rockers.” They were soul artists. Rock and roll is an equal blend of rhythm & blues and country. When yoou toss in some gospel to that mix, then you have authentic southern soul. So although I wouldn’t have put The Beach Boys on this list, I also wouldn’t have included all the soul artists mentioned above.
60. Carol - July 15th, 2008 at 7:56 am
Kreachure, your comment was the best one! It’s so much fun watching people get really angry over this kind of list. As someone up there said: it’s better than the list itself!
61. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 7:58 am
@Crispin
How can you not count Chuck Berry as rock? Not only is he the “Godfather of Rock”, he is also the one who Angus Young copies everything he does from (soloing style, and performance wise). If you can consider AC/DC Rock, you have to say Chuck is rock too.
62. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 7:58 am
I remember a time when Jamie published a list about cooking and everyone rejoiced. And we all shared tips and all was well.
Oh how the times change.
63. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 7:59 am
Cyn- I don’t want that kind of thing. What’s pornbot? Delete comment 55 please!
64. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:03 am
Callie:
Uh, no thanks Callie.. I don’t WANT to join this white suburban ignorance fest. I’ll stay on my soapbox, thanks.
And let me clarify… the list is TOP 10 Greatest Rockers. Punk, Callie IS rock. So is R&B and soul. No, I am NOT in the wrong genre… rather, YOU, Callie, don’t know what the hell you’re talking about.
You people don’t get to define rock&roll as strictly white, metal-ish, hard-rock band music. And sorry, yes, the race thing DOES come into it, because what YOU are calling “rock” IS largely a white thing—note the bands cited in this list, for instance. But as I say, YOU and people like the creator of this list do not get to define rock & roll as you like to exclude certain “genres.” For that matter, if you want to talk like that, then EVERYTHING is genre-based. And then ask yourself–how would the Rolling Stones THEMSELVES feel about a list like this that excluded THEIR chief influences–who were almost ALL black?
No, the bottom line is, we don’t get to say “rock” is only defined by the kind of music on this list. It isn’t. Rock is at least as black as it is white, if not more so. THAT is the problem with your way of thinking Callie, and the way of thinking of a LOT of white kids, who think it can’t be rock if it doesn’t sound a way that is narrowly defined by THEM… and often times–VERY often–that cuts across not only rigid stylistic lines, but across race lines.
65. Crispin - July 15th, 2008 at 8:04 am
Hobolad
Crazy Comment
Dylan is the most overated talent in the world and the topic is “ROCKERS”. DYLAN DOES NOT ROCK
66. chris - July 15th, 2008 at 8:06 am
This is the same list as every other “greatest rock band” list that has ever been published.
67. Crispin - July 15th, 2008 at 8:07 am
Randall
What about Living Color
Glamour Boys was such a great tune. Boy did they stand the test of time
68. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:11 am
warrrreagl:
(how many “r’s” in that, by the way? Is that Ukrainian?)
Read what I just wrote to Callie, warrrr. I don’t agree. Don’t tell me (or anyone else who knows anything about music—don’t tell Mick Jagger this shit, for instance) that Otis and Wilson were NOT rock, because they were soul/r&b. R&B IS rock & roll, warrrr… as is much of what was called “soul.” Yes, there are variations on soul today that move away from “rock” in the way that “disco” moved away from rock… but that’s not what we’re talking about.
So don’t tell me that soul/r&b artists aren’t “rock,” warrrr… you need to re-think that and realize (once again) that you’re coming at that opinion from a white vantage point which is *dead wrong.*
69. Cubone - July 15th, 2008 at 8:15 am
AC DC!!! Anyone?!
70. Dan - July 15th, 2008 at 8:15 am
This list is still just one person’s opinion, and written to spark this debate.
Randall, I would have to agree with warrrreagl concerning rock’s origins, and therefore, Soul and R & B should be off the list. Rock evolved from these styles.
71. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 8:18 am
I’m sorry Randall, I didn’t realize you were stalking me. Where’s your proof I’m a young white kid? That as I write this I’m staring out at my picket fence petting my golden retriever eating a sandwich made of Miracle Whip and Wonder Bread? Maybe I’m an old bitter black man like you seem to be. Don’t start playing the stereotype game with me.
Punk, Soul, and R & B are OFFSHOOTS of the rock genre. Think of it as a library. In the suspense section ,there may be murder mysteries, there may be whodunits, there may be ghost stories and tales of the supernatural. These are classified as suspense until there’s enough to make their own classification. It’s like a family tree.
There are more than enough punk artist and R & B artists to make up their own lists.
No one is attacking these artists or saying they don’t deserve a place in music history or even on this site- you’re just too steeped in your own bitterness to see it.
72. Renee Pussman - July 15th, 2008 at 8:21 am
What a shitty list. The beatles weren’t great rockers. Whoever made this list is a fag
73. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Callie:
Where’s my proof that you’re a young white kid? Well Callie, I have no proof—I didn’t say I did. But you TALK like one. You’re stereotyping YOURSELF, Callie… I don’t need to provide that service *for* you.
AND NO, AGAIN–if you are going to maintain this LUDICROUS idea that punk, r&b etc. are NOT rock, then YOU tell me, Callie, what IS rock. DEFINE it.
You’re defining it by exclusion, in fact. You’re writing off certain genres because it SUITS you, and for no other reason. Certainly not historic, because R&B is NOT an “offshoot” of rock. And what you’re writing off is largely BLACK.
So you tell me, Callie.. what is YOUR definition of “rock & roll?” Go ahead. I’d love to hear this one.
74. jack - July 15th, 2008 at 8:26 am
i disagree with everyone saying Guns n Roses should be on here. I think they suck. As for all the punk bands, they didn’t really do anything to change rock and roll. I think these bands did.
75. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Ok? Lets have different opinions, but don’t use the term fag as a bad thing. Unless with fag you mean cigarettes.
76. Alicia - July 15th, 2008 at 8:28 am
With the exception of the Beach Boys, Queen, and the Beatles, I agree almost wholeheartedly with this list.
Although I would, admittedly, change the order a bit.
77. Mr.Graves - July 15th, 2008 at 8:28 am
Plato once said only a fool argues taste. Now back to your diversions. Children are still starving.
Keep on rockin in the free world.
78. SocialButterfly - July 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
You know Randall it’s not very often that I will call you out, in fact I very much enjoy the way you make all others cower in fear (myself included occasionally), but why does it matter what colour the presons skin is?
Honestly, why in the hell would you bring skin colour into a perfectly reasonable music list?!
I am a fan of all sorts of music, it is rare that you find a genre where I don’t know of at least one artist that I enjoy. This list should have been specified as classic rock to be true, but to point out a reasoning such as the colour of someone’s skin, That’s just ignorant.
79. Mom424 - July 15th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Heya Randall: I do agree with SB on this point. The list is lame because it is not well researched or poignant. Racism would imply intentionally omitting folks because of race not of ignorance. I’m going for the “Don’t know any better, neglected to find out” over racism any day.
80. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 8:33 am
@Jack
Punk has had a huge influence. Most of the music now, and a lot of the glam metal from the 80s is based off Punk. So is most of the music we hear today. A lot of the heavy speedy type bands like Motorhead also took the speed element from Punk.
81. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:34 am
Social:
READ what I’m saying here, SocialB. I am saying that in excluding black artists, this list is white-centered and, in that sense, more than slightly racist.
I don’t think you got what I was saying or getting at. Read again, please. Carefully this time.
82. Kreachure - July 15th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Heheheh… all my predictions (#18) have come true already.
You’re all cigarettes
JK!
83. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 8:35 am
Randall aren’t you white? What makes your white point of view so much better than everyone elses?
84. G Note - July 15th, 2008 at 8:35 am
No Doors? That is an outrage of monumental proportions.
Anyhow i agree with RConrad, let’s see a list of great knockers.
85. ninjajim - July 15th, 2008 at 8:38 am
Randall: “because like ALL white middle class lunkheads, you think the world revolves around you.” Now that IS racist and uncalled for. I was going to agree with you about some of the greatest rockers of all time including The Temptations, Ray Charles, Chuck Berry, Marvin Gaye. Though I’m not a huge fan of punk. All of them deserved to be on this list, however I find your comments very angering. Please think before you go into such a tirade. Anyways I believe Buddy Holly should have been on this list seeing as how he contributed most to the creation of the whole modern rock ‘n roll genre after all, influencing artists like Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Elvis etc.
86. Carol - July 15th, 2008 at 8:39 am
Oh Gee, you guys have to chill out!
Randall, you’re being incredibly rude. It’s not because you make use of polite words that make yourself polite or not offensive. I am usually a polite person, but I have to say that if you don’t agree with the list, just go find another one that suits you better or make one yourself, isn’t that more productive than trying to convince everybody else to have the same opinion as you?
And before you start pointing every little mistake from this comment, let me warn you that I am not a native speaker of English and live in a third world country, and anything you say i can and will consider racism.
87. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Kreachure: You are wise
88. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 8:43 am
I’m done talking about this. No doubt you’ll spin this as I never knew what I was talking about in the first place and make it fit your own “I am right all the time” needs. You were born in the sixties, you’ve lived through some stuff. You’ve got to know more than a silly young white girl, man. You’ve just got to. And to prove it, you’ll use lots of CAPITAL LETTERS and CURSE words to convey your UTTER DISGUST at those of us in our GODDAMN SAFE MIDDLE CLASS WORKING FOR THE GODDAMN MAN JOBS. Why that term white collar? SOOOOO racist, right? You’re so full of hate, Randall. That’s sad. It’s a music list. I’m sure this debate will go on just fine without me, so I’m dipping out of it on top cause I’m pretty sure most people reading this think you’re off your rocker today.
89. SocialButterfly - July 15th, 2008 at 8:45 am
Randall I can read perfectly well, and the fact of the matter is that you immediately pulled out the race card instead of theorizing that perhaps the list writer just didn’t have many on for a completely other reason.
You are the one who pointed out race, you talk about wanting equality, but every time you point out another race, you push it back again. Equality is not looking at a person’s colour it’s not seeing a colour at all.
90. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:46 am
Mom:
Sorry honey, but to me that IS a form of racism. No, not the active kind where someone says, “I’m going to exclude blacks because I hate them, etc.,” but what I’m saying is, the focus on what is almost strictly white (with a black thrown in) out of ignorance, is a form of *exclusionary racism.* And in addition to that, note that I was also going after the comments made by various people here to the effect that r&b and other forms of black music are “not rock”—and if that kind of thing isn’t a form of racism—exclusionary, perhaps, but racism nonetheless–then I don’t know what it is.
I know, I know—we white folks (and yes, I am white, at least on the outside) are very sensitive about being called racist, and we react to it nastily. But the truth hurts an awful lot. And racism isn’t just guys in white hoods burning crosses–we should damn well know that by now. Nor is it just manifested when people use derogative names or say derogative things. It’s also manifested when we drop black culture and black people (or other races for that matter) out of our consideration and out of our worldview. How dare anyone here say, for instance, that r&b is NOT rock? Ask Mick Jagger or John Lennon or Jimmy Page or any of your other beloved white artists if this is so. They’d laugh in your face, or be disgusted with you. (well okay, not Lennon ’cause he’s dead–but you know what I mean). How dare anyone lay claim to rock and say it is only certain bands–99% of whom “just happen” to be WHITE?
No, it’s all part of this broad ignorance and EXCUSED ignorance of our white world, which discounts what black people have done, *particularly* when we have co-opted it for ourselves, we white folks. Nope, that’s not as in-your-face a kind of racism as burning a cross or excluding a man from a job–but it’s still a subtle form of racism that makes us think that we can exclude with impunity that which we consider to “not fit” our view of reality–which, as I say, “just happens” to often be white-centered.
As always, of course, people will get pissed about this and say I’m wrong. But in your hearts some of you know it to be so.
91. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 8:47 am
Randall- why are you trying to bring race in? It’s not a black and white thing, it’s a MUSIC thing. If R&B and soul were rock, they wouldn’t be classified as R&B and soul would they?
92. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:49 am
SocialB:
Uh, all well and good, Social, but read what I just wrote to Mom.
We don’t live in a world where everyone “doesn’t see color at all.” The attitude is there–that people feel they can exclude black artists because what THEY make isn’t “rock”—it isn’t “our” music.
And THAT is what I’m saying is wrong.
Get it?
93. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 8:52 am
scarlett:
Why is heavy metal rock then? Why is “psychedelic” considered rock? Why is garage band considered rock? I could go on and on. Why is surf music rock?
These are all sub-genres and genres. The mistake you’re making is thinking that there is some central core that is “rock,” that is genre free–and that all other “different” forms are merely genres that can then be excluded.
If that’s the case, then you tell me what “rock” actually is. Define it.
94. warrrreagl - July 15th, 2008 at 8:53 am
Randall, I’d be glad to tell Mick Jagger that Otis Redding and Wilson Pickett were not rock, because I regularly show to my classes the filmed interviews with them and Jerry Wexler where they clearly differentiate between soul, R&B, and rock. I’ve watched them from within my classroom for over 15 years tell us over and over again that they were not rock.
But more importantly, I’ve worked in the recording studios in Muscle Shoals where they (Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett, Aretha Franklin, Percy Sledge, and many others) recorded soul - not rock. I’ve met, talked to, and worked with The Swampers, and my comments are substantiated up by the ones who created the music in the first place - not some goofy internet source.
And it is four rrrr’s, by the way.
95. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Randall with your reasoning, any American could claim that this list isn’t patriotic. They are almost all English bands. The American bands are being excluded except for a couple of token ones. Do you see how ridiculous your reasoning is? No one ever made the comment that people were excluded because they were black, they were not involved as “ROCKERS”. Elvis does not belong on the list either, in my opinion. Just listen to the clip- that’s not rock!
96. Csimmons - July 15th, 2008 at 8:55 am
Should have had Aerosmith, BLACK FUCKING SABBATH, and maybe The Who, I otherwise agree with the choices.
97. Trigun472 - July 15th, 2008 at 8:57 am
Haha so you’re saying, because black people invented ‘rock’, anything that a black person makes they can decide is rock? So in your way of thinking, since white people invented cars, black people can’t decide what makes a car look good? They can’t decide if a vehicle is an SUV or a Truck? White people invented movies, so a black person can’t decide if a movie is a horror flick or a suspense film?
98. scarlettangel - July 15th, 2008 at 9:00 am
You are right because those are sub-genres.
R&B is it’s own genre. It is never listed as a sub-genre, because it can stand on it’s own as R&B.
99. B_Rad - July 15th, 2008 at 9:02 am
Holy racism! Why does someone gotta bring that card to this? You don’t need to get all riled up just because your opinion isn’t being accepted by everyone here.
Here we go, here’s a definition from dictionary.com:
“a genre of popular music originating in the 1950s; a blend of black rhythm-and-blues with white country-and-western; “rock is a generic term for the range of styles that evolved out of rock’n'roll.”
When I saw this list, I figured it would be about modern music with bands who had crazy shows or who would get wasted on stage, get arrested, etc. I mean, that’s the connotation that “Rocker” has. Everyone’s opinion is different, my #1 would be Tool, and I would include other bands like van halen, AC/DC, Black Sabbath, Nirvana, etc.
Come on dude, the general modern view of “rockers” is gonna be of white bands. Don’t forget about Living Colour or Lenny Kravitz, they rocked and they were black. But when people think of “rockers”, they aren’t gonna think of Chuck Berry, Little Richard or James Brown just to name a few. They would have 20 years ago, but not now.
I do have to agree though that this list was misleading. It wasn’t about the “greatest rockers”, it was about what bands sold the most albums. A greatest rocker list is going to be very subjective, it’s kinda pointless.
100. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 9:02 am
warrrr with four R’s I think I just fell a little bit in love with you.
Now then, getting back to what this list is actually about, I miss Freddie Mercury. I love glam rock. Those who are fans should give Semi Precious Weapons or Mika a try. You won’t be disappointed.
101. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 9:08 am
warrrreagl:
So… is that Scottish? A long, rolled “rrrrr?”
Listen, you make a point about the appeal to authority thing, but *I* was also trying to make a point, and I still say that if you were to poll the great musicians of our age and say to them, is black music NOT rock? They would almost all answer that it IS rock. But leave that aside. The point is that this whole thing of white people co-opting the form to say it is THEIR music is the offense here.
Rock is all-inclusive. If you do want to talk authority on this, then ask the critics and historians of the form, the big names. No less an authority than the Rolling Stone History of Rock & Roll includes ALL of the artists I’ve mentioned. Are they within genres? Sure. But rock is chock full of genres. EVERYTHING in rock is basically in a genre. Who is anyone here or anywhere to say which genres belong and which don’t?
Even the people making the music themselves can’t agree. What IS rock? I ask–and in fact defy–anyone here to define it. I know I can’t. Not comprehensively, certainly. You either get down to being very exclusionary–which clearly doesn’t work–or you face that everything has to be counted in.
CLASSIC rock we generally consider to be the kind of stuff on this list–but don’t tell me that classic rock is the definition of rock. I don’t care where you’ve worked, I don’t care if you were at Sam Philips’ side in Sun Studios, (in which case you’d know better anyway) classic rock is not the limiting definition of what rock is. If that were so, then we’re saying that it IS limited to a bunch of largely white guys (and few if any women) making music mostly in the post-Beatles period (few if any classic rock radio stations play music from the 50s–even Elvis).
But then what IS rock, warrrr? Tell me. Because I can’t tell *you.* I only know it’s wrong to exclude the people I’ve mentioned. Just as it would be wrong to exclude the Monkees because they were pre-fab or Anthrax because they were too cheesy-metal.
102. SocialButterfly - July 15th, 2008 at 9:10 am
Randall: Yes I “get it.” I am fully aware that the world still sees colour, what I am getting at, is that if you wish to see things differently do something about it. Be the change you wish to see in the world.
All I was saying is that bringing up the race card to prove that a list without alot of Black people on it completely and totally alienates the point that you were trying to make.
What fascinates me most Randall is that you have already decided in your mind that I am wrong for whatever reason. So I could argue anything I wanted and you would be justified in your own reasonings. You need to open your mind to the idea that others may have a good point every once in a while.
103. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 9:11 am
*Wants popcorn, slick doesn’t notice her.*
*Gives up.*
104. SlickWilly - July 15th, 2008 at 9:12 am
*Sits back and watches, eats a little popcorn*
*Drinks some pop*
*Belches, continues eating popcorn and watching*
105. Rachel - July 15th, 2008 at 9:14 am
boring
106. Csimmons - July 15th, 2008 at 9:17 am
*joins slick*
*pulls out the huge never ending bottle of moutain dew*
*gets all his snacks from the magic fridge*
107. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
You know, I don’t want to become the S_R of this list and have it turn into a “is gay marriage wrong” situation where I stand here pointing out the subtle racism inherent here, and one commenter after another disagrees with me and we get into an endless, pointless argument about it.
I note for the last time here–people are getting very angry about this, saying *I* have played some kind of race card. It’s laughable, or rather it would be if it weren’t so sick and sad. We sit here, largely a bunch of white middle-class or slightly higher people (I grant all this is guessing, but I bet I’m right) and we’re arguing over this. *I* find it absurd that people can say with straight faces that black folks don’t belong on a rock list. Lots of you see no problem with this.
Fuck it, leave it at that. I won’t be the one here to try to fill *that* giant hole with a spoon. Go back to arguing over whether the Beatles were “rockers” kids… and ignore the elephant in the room. Much easier. As always, easier to play the safe game than look at yourself with honesty. Oh so safe, oh so easy, oh so simple.
So let’s make this the last thing I’ll contribute to this list, and you folks can go back to your back-patting and dream-state existence.
108. B_Rad - July 15th, 2008 at 9:22 am
Well…bye.
109. SlickWilly - July 15th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, children of allllllll ages! Welcome to today’s main event! In the red corner, wearing the black and red trunks, the reigning champ of pop culture knowledge and pretty much knowledge in general, the master of disaster, the Dane of pain, the King of sting, the bruiser cruiser, the chief thief, robbin’ ya chance of life, the pound-for-pound baddest man around….RANDALL! And in the blue corner, wearing the white and green trunks….EVERYONE ELSE!!! To the thousands of fans in attendence and the millions watching around the world…ladies and gentlemen…we are…reeeeaaady toooo RRRRRUUUUUUUUMMMBBBBLLLLEEE!
110. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 9:23 am
Randall:
Go back to arguing over whether the Beatles were “rockers” kids… and ignore the elephant in the room.
—–
Beacause they were
111. Csimmons - July 15th, 2008 at 9:27 am
I have 40 on everyone else!
112. TimB35 - July 15th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Cream?
The Doors?
Black Sabbath?
Chuck Berry?
Bo Diddley?
Little Richard?
AC/DC?
The Sex Pistols?
The Clash?
The MC5?
The Stooges?
The Beach Boys shouldn’t even be in the top 100 becuase all they did was recycle old chuck berry and bo diddley riffs.
This could’ve been a top 50 list and it still wouldn’t have covered enough great rock bands. There are too many subgenres in rock music to have such a generalized top 10 list. Also, why are there never any blues lists? We all know that rock music is just sped up rhythm and blues. The Who never classified themselves as a “rock” band, but rather as a “maximum R&B” band. Why don’t you have a list that goes to the source and inspiration for rock music and countdown the best blues players like John Lee Hooker, Muddy Waters and Robert Johnson. Almost every band on this list either has played blues in their careers or has lists blues artists among their influences. Why not break the mold for your music lists for once? Every music list is the same. It always counts down the same 10 or 15 bands and everyone complains about the order of those same bands over and over. Yes, Zeppelin, the Stones, and the Beatles are great, but how bout giving some recognition to bands like the MC5, the Stooges, AC/DC, John Mayalls Bluesbreakers, Peter Green’s Fleetwood Mac, or the Paul Butterfield Blues Band? There are too many great bands in the world to just showcase the same ten every single time you publish a list.
113. scruffy - July 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
Great list ! perfect
114. John - July 15th, 2008 at 9:47 am
Randall: I have been reading what you have to say and you make some very valid points that I very much agree with. I am a 56 year old black man that has seen things that would make you cringe, racism has been something that I have never been able to run away from. The one thing that I have been able to enjoy with people of all races has been music, all types of music. That is the beauty of music it brings people together not tear them apart. Yes there is racism in everything in this world including music, but the pioneers of rock, R&B, Soul,etc.. know what they have done for music and so do ALOT of others, and no one can take that away from them or us for that fact. It is up to the older ones to pass on knowledge just as musch as it is for the young ones to search out knowledge. If you have some knowledge then make a list of your own and pass it on, there is an audience for what you have to say. Now……what gives you the right to take up the “BLACK PERSONS CAUSE” because you feel it inside and the world has done such an injustice that you must speak up? If you feel this way then SPEAK with Dignity, Pride, Integerty not an angry tirade. Teach these young ones by example not by yelling!
At the end of the day, who cars what is on this list? Will it stop you from getting in your car or going home or hanging out with friends and turning on the radio, playing a record or playing a cd and listening to the music that you love?
I can bet you a whole lot of money that the answer is
NO!
115. THEKID - July 15th, 2008 at 9:48 am
Dude, big risk in posting this list. There are simply too many great rockers out there to list. While I approve of those you put on the list, you left out a good deal of them. The Doors, AC/DC, Janis Joplin, Buddy Holly, Jerry Lee Louis, The Clash, Cream, Nirvana?
Just too broad of a subject I believe.
But also, to the rest of you; it’s just a list. No need to get so worked up. Obviously it was one person’s opinion….I think we can all agree that this list does not make what it says true. So deal with it, and forget about it.
116. John - July 15th, 2008 at 9:49 am
Randall: I have been reading what you have to say and you make some very valid points that I very much agree with. I am a 56 year old black man that has seen things that would make you cringe; racism has been something that I have never been able to run away from. The one thing that I have been able to enjoy with people of all races has been music, all types of music. That is the beauty of music it brings people together not tear them apart. Yes there is racism in everything in this world including music, but the pioneers of rock, R&B, Soul, etc… know what they have done for music and so do ALOT of others, and no one can take that away from them or us for that fact. It is up to the older ones to pass on knowledge just as much as it is for the young ones to search out knowledge. If you have some knowledge then make a list of your own and pass it on, there is an audience for what you have to say. Now……what gives you the right to take up the “BLACK PERSONS CAUSE” because you feel it inside and the world has done such an injustice that you must speak up? If you feel this way then SPEAK with Dignity, Pride, Integrity not an angry tirade. Teach these young ones by example not by yelling!
At the end of the day, who cars what is on this list? Will it stop you from getting in your car or going home or hanging out with friends and turning on the radio, playing a record or playing a cd and listening to the music that you love?
I can bet you a whole lot of money that the answer is
NO!
117. ChuChu353 - July 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am
I guess women don’t rock >:-(
118. codman - July 15th, 2008 at 9:51 am
10. Iron Maiden
9. The Who
8. Aerosmith
7. AC/DC
6. Guns n’ Roses
5. Metallica
4. Nirvana
3. Pearl Jam
2. Black Sabbath
1. Led Zeppelin
I know some people are gonna think I’m nuts for puttin’ Pearl Jam and Nirvana but they’re still rock and they’re two of the best bands ever.
119. Patrona - July 15th, 2008 at 10:00 am
I think most of the people are missing the point that this list is based on the artists’ sales throughout history.
If you notice that as you go from 10 to 1 the number of hits and sales is increasing.
Apart from that, we are noticing some comments that are shameful to rock’n'roll! Cmon! I mean whether you like the Beatles or not, You can’t insult all their fans by saying they were shitty. It is obvious that music taste differs among people. But there are certain taste that outcome others by observing the number of holders. You dare to compare the sex pistols to The Beatles. Did you even listen to them?
Another thing, why mix racism with music? Jimi Hendrix is included in this list. Is he white? Why is it our problem if black people were involved more in other types of music. Of course there are a lot of Black rockers, but were they the greatest?
It is the list of the greatest Rockers! When you say Rock and Roll, what’s the first thing that comes on your mind? Don’t you picture some sixties or seventies band on stage like Zeppelin or the Beatles?
Nevertheless, I don’t totally agree with this list. I preferred seeing Chuck Berry, since for my opinion he’s one of the most influential artist in Rock’n'roll, because like John Lennon once said:”If you tried to give rock and roll another name, you might call it ‘Chuck Berry’”
120. jhm - July 15th, 2008 at 10:03 am
The beatles and the beach boys should not be on here.
121. warrrreagl - July 15th, 2008 at 10:04 am
Randall, why would I ask a critic or an historian what is or isn’t rock when I’ve already asked the musicians themselves who created it? I’m damn satisfied with their answers.
Maybe that explains why the apparent great sage Mick Jagger came to Muscle Shoals Sound in 1971 to work with Jerry Wexler and The Swampers to give the rock sound of the Stones more of an authentic soul edge. They didn’t come to Alabama looking for rock influnces, that’s for sure.
122. WarningDontReadThis - July 15th, 2008 at 10:06 am
Patrona: Wouldn’t it be more logical to call it top ten best selling rockers?
123. bucslim - July 15th, 2008 at 10:08 am
I think this list is a little misplaced. I certainly wouldn’t categorize the Beach Boys as ‘rockers.’ I think if you’re going to have this list there certainly should be a tip of the hat to the Mississippi bluesmen - that’s where most of the people on this list got their chops, Lennon, Jimmy Page, Keith Richards and Pete Townshend would all say the same thing. You can’t have a rock list without some sort of acknowledgement.
Once again I think the contributer misses because it’s too goddamned broad. No punk, no grunge - you’re missing a shitload of rocking. And I’ll throw my considerable weight behind Tenacious D. After all, they defeated a demon with their rocking.
Somebody explain to me exactly how hard the Beach Boys ‘rocked?’
124. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 10:12 am
ChuChu–
you’re right. Guess the listmaker hates non-whites AND women
I KID, I kid…On an unrelated note, I went to pay for lunch and my wallet wasn;t in my purse. What a yuck feeling.
Codman–
Good list. Iron Maiden is underrated.
125. MiSaNtHrOpE - July 15th, 2008 at 10:16 am
Ayreon, led by Arjen Anthony Lucassen, should make one of these lists. His albums feature 9 to 11 vocalists and many, many instrumentalists. His most acclaimed album, The Human Equation, about a man in a coma after a car crash, is the best $20 I’ve ever spent.
126. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 10:19 am
warrrreagl:
I honestly don’t want to keep coming back to this. But I had to say that frankly I think you’re trying to trump me with these claims of yours (that you got this stuff straight from the horse’s mouth) but it won’t work pal. I’m not intimidated, and think it even possible that you’re exaggerating what you’ve heard.
But screw it, I don’t want to argue this, as I said. I’m done. You aren’t going to tell me or convince me that r&b, etc. are not “rock.” It’s just nonsense, and I think in your heart of hearts you know that.
And as I’ve repeatedly maintained, it’s a form of junior-league, subtle racism to *exclude* black artists from rock, as though “their” music doesn’t count as “rock.” Implying that rock, therefore, is “white” music.
If you can’t see this, warrrr (it’s pretty simple logic) then I don’t know what to tell you.
127. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 10:24 am
John:
Thanks for agreeing with me. But as we can see, white people don’t like to be reminded of, or called out on, their exclusionary ways any more than being called out on their more overt forms of racism.
Anyway, thanks for what you said.
Now… you also said:
“…what gives you the right to take up the “BLACK PERSONS CAUSE” because you feel it inside and the world has done such an injustice that you must speak up?”
Who do I *have* to be, John?
This is a website frequented, in large part (I guess this, again, but I feel it’s a correct guess) by roughly middle class whites of varying ages (largely in their 20s - 30s though with a few youngsters tossed in and a few people my age-40s-and older). I don’t see what it matters WHO speaks up about this shit, me, you, or whatever–but I was here and I took it upon myself to do so.
128. Carol - July 15th, 2008 at 10:29 am
Oo Randall gave up!
Now let’s go back to our lives and make something useful out of them ^^
129. SocialButterfly - July 15th, 2008 at 10:40 am
If you ever use that disgusting word again I will find you IP address and strangle you with my bare hands!
130. YogiBarrister - July 15th, 2008 at 10:50 am
The title itself is the main problem with this list, that and the banality of it. Either create a list of the greatest rock artists or one about the greatest rock performers. I wouldn’t exclude great Black talents like Otis Redding or James Brown, the probable finalists if we could hold an all-time battle of the bands, but if the author wishes to do so, that’s his prerogative. In fact, to keep in the spirit of this comment thread, I’ve got two separate but equal lists of acts I have or would most enjoy seeing live:
Chuck Berry - Elvis Presley
The Ronettes - Sleater-Kinney
The Temptations - The Kinks
James Brown - The Rolling Stones
The Four Tops - Ten Years After
Otis Redding - Bruce Springsteen
Jimi Hendrix - Led Zeppelin
The Supremes - Elvis Costello
Aretha Franklin - Janis Joplin
Sam and Dave - The Hives
131. Miss Destiny - July 15th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Well, after reading the mini-novel that was the comments…I can only shake my head and sigh.
I don’t really think the Beach Boys should be on here, I’ve always considered them pop. I thought the Beatles were more of a pop band too, but I guess they rock harder than the Beach Boys. (All due respect to the Beach Boys! I do enjoy their tunes.)
There is little variety on this list. Rock has so many different sub-genres and blends of genres that you could make a much larger list and still not scratch the surface. Still, there could be a better representation in this smaller batch of bands.
All that being said, kudos for putting Elvis on the list. He does indeed rock!
132. caboose - July 15th, 2008 at 10:57 am
I’m gonna go ahead and say it, this list is incredibly mediocre and looks like someone who doesn’t know the first lick about rock. Its neglected many of the great RNB artists and put in a few that I would disagree with, Metallica for one, They lost there credibility and title of being a rocker as soon as I saw Lars Urlich in court with his little suit on complaning that he isn’t getting his sixty nine cents of royalties. I would also like to mention artists like Frank Zappa and Captain Beefheart are the most under appreciated muscians around producing brilliant music but still very obscure to most people.
I did not enjoy reading this list but I did very well appreciate Randalls comments, after the first three or so I was printing out “Randall FOR President” signs on my computer, I do agree with Randall. Punk, RnB, Blues and ect have been severly overlooked because people fail to tha yes this is rock and who are you to define it not to be.
I would concider renaming this list “Top 10 Rock Artists (As viewed by A white person)”
133. John - July 15th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Randell answering your question “Who do I have to be” is a question only you can answer. The only thing that I would suggest is when expressing for yourself and bringing others into your opinion is to do it with dignity, unfortunatly you passion was drowned out due to your anger and your opinion and point was missed by quite a few. Being that I am a black man I would hope that anyone who choose to fight for a cause/opinion who do so in a way that would honor me and anyone else that shares my color or beliefs
134. tron - July 15th, 2008 at 11:02 am
racist list.
135. JayArr - July 15th, 2008 at 11:07 am
WOOHOO! I can feel the love! The rants and raves just fly off the screen into my bloodshot eyes… I’m stunningly surprised that this list got more than 30 posts for comments.
looking forward to new lists on pairs, pears, pares, live chickens and peach preserves!
136. Sedulous - July 15th, 2008 at 11:14 am
This is definitely a cliche list but it’s for the most part true. I would have just narrowed it down to rock “BANDS” because there is only one single performer on there. I don’t like the beach boys on a rock list. It’s called the Top 10 Greatest Rockers and I don’t the beach boys were great “rockers”. They were great in their own way. I think a more specific criteria would have been better. Like based on album sales or based on influence or number ones or something. Generally the only difference in this list and every other list you see on VH1 or read about in Rolling Stone magazine is they don’t include the Beatles. So I would say it doesn’t really work since it’s BARELY original which I thought was part of what this site is about.
So to me a great “Rocker” would be a true rock band or individual rocker that had the greatest impact on people. You can define that as whatever. Great rockers rock people, and when someone is rocked they are affected, they are influenced. Great rockers also change things and shift paradigms and accomplish things no other rockers have accomplished. I think choosing your top ten with that in mind and then add good explanations of how that band rocked would have been much better.
137. warrrreagl - July 15th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Randall,
The comments about racism came from someone else - not me. I didn’t refer to anyone’s race, so I’m not sure why that part of your response was addressed to me.
“Have you never heard of James Brown? Wilson Pickett? Bobby Womack? Otis Redding? I could tick off a dozen others! Lloyd Price! Jackie Wilson! Aretha Franklin! Etta James! The Temptations! The Isley Brothers!”
You stated that certain specific artists were rockers, and I countered that in their own words those artists vehemently deny being rockers and classify themselves as authentic southern soul. This is not a fallacious appeal to authority, as you suggested earlier, for these are their words, not mine.
I’ve never met James Brown, Otis Redding, Lloyd Price, Jackie Wilson, The Temptations, or the Isley Brothers. But I have met Wilson Pickett, Bobby Womack, Aretha Franklin, and Etta James - all of whom recorded in Alabama. But if I see them again, I’ll be sure to tell them that Randall says they’ve been recording rock music all these years, and they must know that in their heart of hearts.
138. Sedulous - July 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
To clarify I meant that Rolling Stone Magazine lists and VH1 lists don’t include the Beach Boys…..they always include the beatles somehow.
139. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 11:35 am
caboose & tron:
Thanks for the support.
140. Sedulous - July 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
I think warrrreagl has a good point. If those guys really say they aren’t rock….why should everyone else? I will agree though if they are going to put individual performers on that list. Chuck Berry BELONGS! That dude very nearly invented rock n roll.
141. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 11:41 am
warrrrr:
Tell you what, warrrr.. if you’re for real, yes… tell them that… but you tell them in the context it was MEANT, not the one you choose. Don’t tell me Bobby Womack wouldn’t understand what I mean–I just heard an interview with him on the radio a few days ago (possibly an old interview, I don’t know) where he essentially says what I’ve been saying.
And if you REALLY do know such people… I honest to god mean this, I would give damn near anything to be in your shoes, and if there’s anything I can do to schmooze up to you so *I* too can meet these people–for god’s sake! Etta James! Wilson Pickett! Aretha! Then just tell me what it is.
142. Carol - July 15th, 2008 at 11:44 am
You have to be really disturbed to bring racism to a rocker’s list…let’s face it: prejudice exists and i’m pretty sure it’ll always exist, but should we really go that far over a simple list? Tsc tsc tsc….
143. Randall - July 15th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Carol:
Okay, that fucking does it. I said I was dropping this, but I won’t stand for being called “disturbed” by some idiot on the internet who doesn’t even know me.
“DISTURBED,” Carol? Why?
Because I pointed out things that you don’t want to hear?
Things you don’t want to acknowledge?
You don’t wish to hear, perhaps, that excluding black artists from a style of music WHICH THEY INVENTED is a form of backhanded racism? Why? If you don’t agree, then argue it with me. Prove me wrong. But if you just don’t want to hear it–if you feel it’s “disturbed,” then you tell me HOW it is “disturbed” and WHY you don’t wish to hear it.
Yes, Carol, I *know* this is just a “simple list.” But this kind of thing is INDICATIVE of what’s wrong with people–drawing these white/black lines and claiming THIS thing for white culture and relegating THAT thing to black culture… and it is *particularly* odious when it’s done so white people can co-opt a cultural form that *black* people not only invented but practiced with great talent and ability—but noooooo…. they’re not part of it because the music of “those people” isn’t ROCK, it’s BLACK.
Don’t ever “tsk tsk” me, lady. It’s because of people like YOU that other people acquiesce in this shit and it continues to happen, unchallenged. LOOK at the response that’s gone on here… people like you have got on my ass for pointing out the injustice in closing black people out of this form that they have contributed HUGELY to… and yet, why? Why? Why does it bother people so, to admit black music into this tent of rock and roll? Why the demarcation between what’s rock and “not rock,” and then it just happens to turn out that the “not rock” is mostly *black* music?
Do these questions not bug you, just a little? Just a tiny bit? Never mind the triviality of a stupid list on a web site… doesn’t this LARGER issue mean anything to you?
Or do you just not *think,* period? …as your comments seem to sadly indicate?
144. Seven - July 15th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
Are you just arguing because you’re bored??
Perhaps you could go try and solve some LEGITAMATE cases of racism…
145. goof_ball - July 15th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
i love everyone on this list! ive even seen the stones live. but i think theres a lot of others that should be included. it would be a great top 25 list instead of top 10
146. Callie - July 15th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
I kinda called it with using capital letters to prove a point no one is listening to anymore. Vindication…got me some of that. Feels good. I like the asterik-ed *I*s though. I have a mental picture of a four years olds tear streaked tantrum throwing face on Randall’s body. “I dont WANT to be wrong!!!! *I* am right!!!!! LOUD NOISES!!!!”
147. cocololo - July 15th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
okay, normally i’m down with the lists and have a few changes i don’t agree w