10 Reasons To Change The NZ Government Tomorrow
Published on November 6, 2008 - 133 Comments
I don’t normally post lists concerning the politics of my home country (New Zealand), but tomorrow is the General Election and I know that we have many readers from New Zealand. Therefore I have asked permission from David Farrar who runs New Zealand’s most popular political blog (Kiwiblog) to re-print his “top 10 reasons to Change the New Zealand Government Tomorrow“. First, a little background: New Zealand uses a proportional system of voting, so we vote for a party and the percentage of the vote won determines the percentage of people in parliament representing them. The party with the most members in parliament (or the one able to cobble together a majority from the minor parties) becomes the government and its leader becomes our Prime Minister. At present our Prime Minister is Helen Clark - she has governed for 9 years and it looks like she may lose tomorrow.

For some perspective, Helen Clark is the leader of the Labour Party and the main opposition is John Key, the leader of the National Party (pictured above on the right, talking to Rodney hide, leader of the ACT party) - both parties are to the left of the Democrats in the US - we don’t really have an equivalent of the Republican party, though National is closer to it than Labour as many Labour party members are socialists or have a background in socialism.
For those who are curious, I am voting ACT who are a Libertarian party - they closest resemble the principles of Ron Paul in New Zealand. I have helped them out a bit during the campaign and will be eagerly awaiting the results to see how well they do! This list will mean more to New Zealanders than anyone else and I am aware that this is a bit of a vanity post, but if you aren’t interested - or don’t understand, just skip it - there will be a regular list tonight. Anyway, enough of me talking, here is the list courtesy of Kiwiblog (which I strongly recommend you check out).
1. The New Zealand economy is facing the most challenging international circumstances since the 1930s. To get through it with a minimum of damage to people’s jobs and incomes will require a Government that has an unrelenting focus on economic growth – just as Kevin Rudd (Australian Prime Minister) does.
2. Winston Peters. If Governments get away with tolerating Ministers who blatantly lie, then the message it will send is that you get rewarded for lying to the public, The behaviour of Peters has been a disgrace, and only exceeded by the Prime Minister’s tolerance and defense of it. It will be healthy for Labour to get punished at the polls, so that next time they are in this situation their response will be not to tolerate corruption instead of making excuses for it. Rewarding Labour with a fourth term for covering up for Winston would be an awful message to send. [Winston Peters has been caught out accepting money to introduce certain policies.]
3. Healthcare. The ideological jihad against the private sector must stop. It is literally killing people. A coordinated approach to using all the resources out there will lead to better outcomes for those who need top quality healthcare. [Labour are very opposed to using the private sector for health - even though the public hospitals are filled to overflowing and the private hospitals have plenty of room.]
4. Tax. If Labour is returned it is almost inevitable they will massively increase taxes in their secret December mini-budget. They have shown an inability to keep a lid on spending over the last nine years. The best you can get under Labour is that they will not cancel the tax cuts already legislated. Under National [and ACT] you will have a Government that knows it is spending your money and will work hard to reduce taxes so families have more in their pockets.
5. The Electoral Finance Act. Need more be said. National will repeal it immediately (while leaving in place transparency around donations). Labour will make it worse, exempt their own MPs from much of it, and introduce full taxpayer funding of political parties. [The Electoral Finance Act puts limitations on the public’s right to free speech during an election year.]
6. Law & Order. We saw this week that Brad Shipton gets out in under three years for a pack rape with a sentence of almost nine year. Sickening. But this is no accident. Labour deliberately changed the law in 2001 to allow rapists and violent criminals to get parole after one third instead of two thirds of their sentence. I have no idea why, but they did. We don’t necessarily have a lot of criminals in NZ – we just keep letting them out to keep committing crimes. National will I am sure will be tougher on criminals. Labour have said they see no need for further changes and that the status quo is acceptable.
7. Public Service Independence. Where does one start? The Police Commissioner hounded out of office on Helen Clark’s lies (this is beyond dispute). Madeleine Setchell and Erin Leigh. The attacks on the Auditor-General for doing his job over the illegal Parliamentary spending. The disgraceful behaviour towards the Director of the Serious Fraud Office because he exposed the truth about Winston’s donations. A neutral and independent public service is preferable to the US model where politicians appoint their supporters to everything. Throwing out Labour will help restore an independent public service.
8. Education. By the time kids are at secondary school, it is too late if they can not read or write. Their future prospects are blighted and wasted. National’s focus on early detection and intervention for children who can not read, write or count could be the most important thing they do. National will spend more money on eight year olds that can’t vote than 18 year olds that can.
9. Moderation or Radicalism? A John Key led Government will change direction and policies from Labour, but not radically so. The focus will be on improving economic growth, jobs and incomes. National looks to make up around 95% of a National-led Government. The alternative will be an unstable radical Government where Labour makes up less than 75% of it, and economic growth will be well down the list of priorities of its coalition partners. National, ACT and United Future may disagree somewhat on the policies for economic growth but they all see them as vital. The Green Party sees economic growth as a necessary evil, and to be tolerated only under duress. Chris Trotter said that a Labour/Green/Maori Party Government would be the most leftwing Government in 70 years, and he was right.
10. John Key. He will be a great Prime Minister. Give him the chance to prove it.
So remember Kiwis, vote tomorrow! But before you do, check out the ACT party 20 point plan - it has some great stuff in it!
UPDATE!
Tonight New Zealand voted for a change of government. I am (obviously) thrilled as my party (the libertarian ACT party) now has 5 members in parliament and is part of our new government. Let freedom reign! Here is a little video clip from one of our favorite New Zealand political bloggers in response to the result:
Oh - and just when you thought it couldn’t get any better, Winston Peters (item 2 above) has been removed from parliament with his party, and the Prime Minister has resigned as head of the party - calling for a new leader to replace her. It really doesn’t get much better than that!
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1. astraya - November 6th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
“Be sure to vote” - Sorry, I’m an Australian citizen currently not registered even in Australia, because I am overseas for too long.
2. jfrater - November 6th, 2008 at 9:09 pm
atraya: that’s okay - we will vote for you
3. llamee - November 6th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
Flight of the Conchords is one of New Zealand’s greatest assets.
Too bad they can’t just solve all of the problems. America believes in you!
(And thank God Obama is president) (He’ll help you guys out in the long run)
4. Paulb - November 6th, 2008 at 9:40 pm
after a year of crazy politics, im pretty much “politcaled” out
5. maximuz04 - November 6th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Hmmm, interesting list, didnt know much about newzeland but the places to visit
6. maximuz04 - November 6th, 2008 at 9:43 pm
Oh I thought of an interesting list. Top 10 surprising/good endings to video games.
What do you think?
7. Angelina - November 6th, 2008 at 9:44 pm
Rapists getting out after 3 years??? I’m appalled!!!
Informative list. Thanks for opening my eyes to the issues of your country. National seems to be the way to go!
8. james - November 6th, 2008 at 9:45 pm
wow how boring
9. goof_ball - November 6th, 2008 at 9:58 pm
that was interesting
*note the sarcasm*
10. SoCalJeff - November 6th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
All the best with the election tomorrow. I can’t say I know much about New Zealand politics, but I do know about 10 things more now.
Thanks for sharing.
11. Sarah Palin - November 6th, 2008 at 10:08 pm
Is New Zealand a country?
12. Monkey222 - November 6th, 2008 at 10:15 pm
Angelina: What about a convicted murderer being released on bail and killing another person and seriously assaulting two others? If anyone else wishes to find out about the atrocities committed in recent MONTHS simply look up the case of a three year old girl named Nia Glasse. If you are easily disturbed by horrific details of child abuse don’t look it up but if you want to find out about our lax criminal justice system have a look
R.I.P Baby Nia
13. k1w1taxi - November 6th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
Sailing very close to the wind with Item 2 Jamie as nothing has been proved on this. And Winnie does love his lawyers
The other item forgotten is we will be rid of the Arrogance of Clark and Cullen and Mallard in particular.
I am certainly hoping the polls are right as my biggest fear is that National will finish just a couple of % short of the numbers to govern with ACT and Peter Dunne and Helen will then form the many headed dog of a government.
Cheers
Lee
Voting Early, Voting Often
14. Jessy - November 6th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Normally enjoy this site very much, but I say keep politics out of it- or at least in the forums. And no one appreciates being told who to vote for and why.
15. Hillery - November 6th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I thought the list was interesting, and I’m not even being sarcastic. Two things I wish had an equivalent in America: Your lack of the equivalent of a Republican, and a Libertarian who had a fighting chance. I also really dig your proportional system as opposed to our basic “winner take all” approach.
16. jajdude - November 6th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
Rusted guns on the list, g, but where is New Zealand???
17. swampsnake - November 6th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
jamie isnt telling you how to vote only how he is voting and why . politics has always been a big subject on the site and i hope it will always be. open civil debate i think is the essence of the listverse.
18. jfrater - November 6th, 2008 at 10:44 pm
jessy: I didn’t tell you how to vote - I said who I was voting for! If you want to vote for labour go ahead - just make sure you vote! Oh and we have had US political lists that upset no one
19. CRSN - November 6th, 2008 at 10:46 pm
Well Jfrater, atleast you didnt have to choose between Mr. Sheen (Howard) and Christopher Robinson off Winnie the Pooh (Rudd)
20. D Holmes - November 6th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
Hmmm… interesting article (sincerely) as I must admit, I’m never very well acquainted with New Zealand politics. Though if I was a New Zealander, I *might* (note: might) object to the inclusion of this partisan article here, but hell, its your website, not mine (so I respect that as I greatly respect you for your excellent website). And I’m from the U.S., so I will not complain. Besides, I’d like to try my hand at a few political lists, so I can’t say one thing and do another :P.
But Ron Paul? I can’t stand Ron Paul (I’m going to get slaughtered for saying this by Ron Paul fanatics/ assassins… just FYI… *sigh*). But as far as American Libertarians (tad different from international Libertarians, though) go, there are FAR better examples. He’s not a bad politician, but I object to many of his ideas (I’m too tired to elaborate, its the late evening here as of typing) and I think because of him, people get the wrong idea of American Libertarians (which I am not one, at least not fiscally; maybe socially).
You might find this interesting as it compares the US and NZ political candidates/ parties in 2008
U.S. Primaries: http://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2008
NZ 2008 GE Parties: http://www.politicalcompass.org/nz2008
Explanation of how the grid works: http://www.politicalcompass.org/analysis
Oh and by the way, I used waaaaaaay too many parenthesis due to my tiredness and current inability to form an entirely coherent thought, so I apologize (no really, I mean it).
21. D Holmes - November 6th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Is there something wrong?
I don’t see my comments showing up at all.
If they eventually pop up, I apologize for the double posting (I guess triple posting now).
22. D Holmes - November 6th, 2008 at 11:00 pm
Ah, I see what I did. I had three links… crap.
Its in moderation right now… so JFrater or whoever is on, please take my second comment, if possible, not the first. The second contains some mistakes as I look back to it, but I don’t want to tie things up by submitting the comment a third time.
23. Mr.Crow - November 6th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Is is just me or does this seem like political propaganda. Most of us no nothing about NZ and so his opinion could easily sway us. This all seems rather suspect. I suggest this no happen again.
24. Kealey - November 6th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
So. I was stuck on who to vote for. But on reviewing my situation I realised I was just being damned selfish and considering labour because they’re what you’d refer to as the ‘hand out party’, and being a single mother of a young child I would benefit from that. But I was thinking about it and realised, I’m going to benefit from it and my daughter is going to benefit from me voting for national. Because they are commited to keeping the scum out of our streets. Longer sentencing, longer parole etc etc. And they’ve propsed to change the DPB so that mothers are required to find work or study when their child starts school. Thus meaning there will be less people bludging off the benefit as apposed to being assisted. Because to sit on the DPB while your kid is at school is exactly that, bludging. Anyway, To sum up my post, I’m voting national. Or bill and ben.
25. Kealey - November 6th, 2008 at 11:09 pm
Haha Mr.Crow, whut?? Sway you to do what exactly? Vote our election? You’re obviously not a new zealander, this obviously doesn’t apply to you, just move along before you say something silly… oh wait.
26. toni-m - November 6th, 2008 at 11:21 pm
haha yea Kealey I kinda wanna vote Bill and Ben just to see Bill get into parlament.
But serious Labour have had their time…. Sorry Helen..
27. D Holmes - November 6th, 2008 at 11:23 pm
@Kealey
Yes, he’s obviously not from NZ, but Jamie posted this for everyone to see because he felt it was important that its message got out, thus it applies to everyone. When Jamie made this website, he was aiming it for the world, not just his home country.
Mr.Crow should be allowed to form an opinion without you telling him he can’t.
Respect your fellow posters right to say what they want (you don’t have to agree with them).
28. Kealey - November 6th, 2008 at 11:25 pm
“This list will mean more to New Zealanders than anyone else and I am aware that this is a bit of a vanity post, but if you aren’t interested - or don’t understand, just skip it ”
kthx
29. diamond - November 7th, 2008 at 12:31 am
nice to hear from our little baby cousin floating around there with tazzie!
I wonder if the election will even get any newspaper space over here… shows how sadly americanised Australia is becoming. I’ve just had to put up with their election crap all year. I know it’s important, I’m just concerned that this is the first I’ve heard of NZ election, and they’re our most important neighbour! Shame on you Aussie newspapers!
30. Smurff 2 - November 7th, 2008 at 12:42 am
They say you are never to old to learn, Ive learned something about your politics today - thanks.
31. Crimanon - November 7th, 2008 at 12:53 am
That sucks! People scream about how We (USA) have it bad. Best of luck JayNu.
Libertarian 4 Life!
32. Nope - November 7th, 2008 at 12:59 am
Im canadian but i’ll try to vote anyway. Even though i probably couldn’t point out NZ on a map. Its beside australlia right? I point my Rowboat in that direction and see what happens.
33. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 1:19 am
Is New Zealand a country?
Sara Palin - don’t you ever read the newspapers? …oh, wait…
And, no, you can’t see it from your house.
34. ian - November 7th, 2008 at 1:30 am
comment #12 made me pee my pants
hahahahah XD
i love this website!
35. guy - November 7th, 2008 at 1:48 am
a pretty meaningful list considering that my nation which i love, just elected a new president which not only marks a milestone in american history but promises change as well(although for personal reasons i did not vote for him). you know i am very suprised that you do not have any lists about rugby because me being a rugby player for my college in the USA, knows how outstanding of a rugby team new zealand has.
kiwiboi- not cool man
36. sharlu - November 7th, 2008 at 2:07 am
hmm i’m still confused on who to vote for . . and it’s tommorrow :O . . haha i might be lazy and vote for who my parents are voting for . . or bill and ben
. . but this list really opened my eyes! . . and yay this is the first ever time i’m voting tehehe *excitement*
37. Redcaboose - November 7th, 2008 at 2:08 am
I have always wanted to visit NZ. My dad did his R&R there during WW2, and had nothing but good to say about the people, country, etc. I am happy to have learned a little about its form of government. Thanks
38. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 2:17 am
guy - send me in a rugby list and I will post it for sure!
39. Jono - November 7th, 2008 at 2:26 am
Well, I’m voting for National, irregardless of what I read here. But some of the points are good to see again. It strengthens my conviction to support National.
I really hope that National does win. We need it.
Also a point sorely under-reported in the list is infrastructure. In the early 1990s New Zealand was at the forefront of many technologies, not excluding Internet technology. 10 years of a Labour-led government have reduced our dominance to a mere mid-30 ranking, down from a top 10. If I’m not mistaken (could quite well be) we have also slipped in the OECD rankings.
40. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 2:29 am
….will work hard to reduce taxes so families have more in their pockets. Is’nt this the point of ‘Working for Families’ shite.
A police enquiry cleared Winston, so got to turn from that one.
Gotta agree Brad Shipton is sickening, just cant believe that piece of shit is allowed out, he still hasnt accepted his guilt so how does he get parole? Thats fucked up. Law and order should have been a bigger issue.
JF is this your way round the EFA. and was the EFA a response to the Brethren malarchy from the last election? Have been in UK for couple of years so missed a bit of that ruckus.
41. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 2:33 am
“They have shown an inability to keep a lid on spending over the last nine years”
I seem to remember a few large surpluses in that time and people complaining they should be spending it?
42. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 3:27 am
Well, my Reuters screen is currently strongly suggesting (based on a collation of the latest polls) that National will win the election.
Moreover, it seems (on the figures quoted) that NZ First will not get back into parliament.
National FTW!
43. Spart - November 7th, 2008 at 3:55 am
Helen Clark had a moral compass that was light years ahead of Howard, Blair, Lopez and Bush.
For all of her peculiar defense (or political pragmatism / one eyedness) when it came to Winston Peters, I would have taken Clark in a heart beat.
Australia became a darker place under Howard, and Bush is the most reviled President of the last century.
44. ringtailroxy - November 7th, 2008 at 4:06 am
as for rapists getting out in 3 years…
here in Florida, if you get caught with as little as 1/8 of an ounce of weed, not only will you be going to jail, you will be hit with tax evasion (since this state has a marijuana tax) and if you grow it, it only takes 15 plants, mature or immature, to be considered a “grow house”. Minimum mandatory sentencing-15 years in prison, no parole!!! There are also several other marijuana crimes in the State of Florida. Simple possession of less than 20 grams of pot is a first degree misdemeanor punishable for up to one year in jail. If a person possesses more than 20 grams of marijuana(less than an ounce!!!) that is a third degree felony punishable for up to 5 years in prison. If someone possesses 25 pounds of marijuana or 300 or more cannabis plants, that is considered trafficking in marijuana and the arrested person is facing up to 30 years in prison.
but…
I personally know of a woman who was raped a little over 8 years ago. She still has difficulties having romantic relationships, and suffer from PTS Disorder due to the crime. The man who did this to her, who basically has given her a life sentence of distrust, fear, and emotional pain, had been released from prison by serving ‘good behavior’ for only 1/3 of his 15 year sentence. 1/3! 5 years? so you serve 5 years in prison for brutally violating another person, harming them irrevocably for life, but if a gal had an oz of weed she will absolutely go to jail, do not pass go, do not collect 200$, for 5 years? no parole or chance of early release?
and to think-Massachusetts just voted 2 days ago to decriminalize marijuana, and it passed with an amazing 65%! Michigan also voted to decriminalize pot…
*sigh*
rtr
45. Jessy - November 7th, 2008 at 4:41 am
Jfrater: I’m Canadian actually, just voted for our own election (via South Korea)….then heard all about the American election. Perhaps I really am politicized out, because if I have to hear about one more platform, I can’t be held responsible for my actions :p.
46. Ellie - November 7th, 2008 at 4:53 am
I’m a kiwi, and definately going with National, also a student so I’m hoping they can improve things for students alittle too!
47. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 5:10 am
Ellie: I am sure that they will - even if it just the fact that they will get the government out of your life when you don’t want it is reason enough to vote that way.
kiwiboi: pray - and pray hard! If NZF get back in it throws a spanner in the works! If they don’t get in, today’s 5 polls all state that National + ACT will govern after tomorrow.
I have just returned home from a night out for a friend’s birthday and I saw a perfect example of why we need change:
I went outside a bar I was drinking in for a smoke, the bouncer on the door said I had to stand in a 2 square metre area with my drink or I was breaking the law - because it is illegal to drink in the one inch outside the square. Now I am not a crazy drunk who throws bottles around - I just wanted to have my wine with me when I was having a smoke outside (a smoke that I was allowed to have inside 5 years ago but no longer thanks to the minority anti-smokers lobbying the government). So - if I stand one inch outside a special line I am a criminal. How is that NOT a nanny state?
48. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 5:30 am
Winston “Lazarus” Peters
49. SoCalJeff - November 7th, 2008 at 5:42 am
jfrater, curious how you feel about the reserved seats for the Maori population - do they serve the intended purpose? Do the seats create resentment by non-Maori visible minorities for not having the same (or resentment by the majority Anglo population for that matter)?
BTW, hope to visit New Zealand some day. When my cousin returned from his studies in Australia he spent a week in New Zealand. He says it was the most beautiful place he’s been, hoped he had more time.
50. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 5:48 am
if I stand one inch outside a special line I am a criminal
jfrater - I can think of more than one instance where “one inch” can be critical
How is that NOT a nanny state?
Easy. Because it is a Bully State (thought the UK takes some beating).
Anyhows…unless that bouncer was a dibble, why did you not just ignore him?
51. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 5:49 am
* “thought the UK” = “though the UK” (typo, sorry)
52. Peri - November 7th, 2008 at 5:50 am
I actually understood most of this list. I have a good friend who is from the Christchurh area and he talks about the politics there all the time (mostly against the current government).
53. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 5:52 am
I agree the UK is unbeatable on the NannyState list, the general pop. have forgotten how to think, innit.
54. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 5:53 am
and yes the bouncer is a dibble
55. Sarah Palin - November 7th, 2008 at 5:59 am
kiwiboi: Cute username. What does it mean?
I can see Russia. Is New Zealand further than that?
What’s a newspaper?
56. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Phil - how do you know that the bouncer is a dibble (cop) ?
More to the point, you do not (really, you do *not*) want to get me started on the British Bully state. The mere mention of Jacqui Smith’s name makes my blood boil!
57. Muttley - November 7th, 2008 at 6:18 am
And an 11th Reason - because it’s New Zealand!
58. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 6:22 am
Oh dibble = cop. Thought just = stupid/muppet etc. Anyway maybe the bouncer was just being a bouncer. Some of these guys make it up as they go for their own powertrip. The smoke inside the square thing is original though.
59. Mom424 - November 7th, 2008 at 6:35 am
Mr. Crow: Isn’t that the point? Giving people knowledge so they can go to the polls fully informed? I’d be far more concerned about the US policy of publishing exit polls. They really can sway the vote. They are illegal in Canada, as are any polls the day before elections and until last official voting station is closed.
60. darthbarbie - November 7th, 2008 at 6:38 am
It’s great to hear about someone’s election that isn’t the States. I’m Canadian and I’m tired of how saturated the American election has been here. My parents are visiting your lovely country right now and then off to visit my Aunt in Australia. Please be gentle with them….
61. Mike - November 7th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Why would you want your government to emulate the one that has just brought the world to the brink of economic collapse and gotten the U.S involved in an illegal and immoral war?
I warn you, letting the private sector into health care will cost you more and provide poorer service in the end. Why are there so many unused private hospital beds anyway? Sounds like poor management and over building - would I trust business leaders with that bad judgement with my health care? I think not.
Mike
U.S.A.
62. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Mike makes a point.
63. Callie - November 7th, 2008 at 7:24 am
56:
Um..election’s over. Is it really necessary to do that anymore? Obviously your guy won. You have nothing to be bitter about.
Twit.
64. DiscHuker - November 7th, 2008 at 7:28 am
very interesting, jayfray. i have never even heard of this type of government, proportional. interesting concept.
one big battle that i have been waging over the last few weeks as the american election grew close is the temptation to “vote your pocketbook” or more specifically vote as to what helps YOU the most. to function as a country that moves progresses we, and you kiwis as well, have to vote what is best for EVERYONE.
if i vote for the guy that will give me the biggest tax breaks and incentives but that will push the country deeper into economic problems, i, as a responsible concerned citizen, have to vote for the other guy. otherwise it is the epitome of selfishness.
65. kiwiboi - November 7th, 2008 at 7:35 am
Oh dibble = cop. Thought just = stupid/muppet etc
Phil - well, the 2 definitions are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
The term “dibble” is (predominately) Liverpool slang for a cop; derived, as you probably now guessed, from Officer Dibble in Top Cat
66. Mom424 - November 7th, 2008 at 7:54 am
Mike: In Canada we have a combination of public and private institutions. The rates paid by our gov’t administered health insurance is the same for both types. If you can make a profit using the provincially set pay/fee guidelines you are welcome to compete.
Most hospitals are public institutions but many of the labs and testing facilities are privately owned and operated. It appears to work. Not perfectly, but a damn site better than most everywhere else. (User fees are illegal, but offering semi-private rooms and other percs are not)
67. Phil - November 7th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Just voted! Amazingly the guy from Play School is running for the Greens in my electorate.
68. Col.Pickle - November 7th, 2008 at 9:12 am
Do you mean to say that other countries besides the USA have elections? Whoah…
69. Brithombar - November 7th, 2008 at 9:47 am
I don’t passionately care for any side in political arguments, but I like that you’re promoting the awareness to an audience of this scope. These things do matter to people and they should be taken seriously.
70. Phillies - November 7th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Good luck with the elections! Hopefully the right man will take over and set the country right
(said the McCain voter…ironic i know, haha)
And to the posters who find the list boring or uninteresting…grow up and show some respect. Just cause it doesn’t interest you doesn’t mean it won’t interest others.
71. segue - November 7th, 2008 at 10:40 am
It sounds as if New Zealand is facing a lot of the same problems we were (are) facing here in the U.S.
It will be interesting to see what happens here, and what happens in NZ.
Somehow, I believe the enormous change we’ve voted in here, will affect what happens in similar situations in other countries.
Ah, I could be wrong, I could be wearing rose colored glasses, still high from Obama’s win, but I do trust that if we’ve had the courage to make a major change, to make a complete paradigm shift in the way people think and act, it *will* rub off.
New Zealand is it’s own country. New Zealanders think for themselves, of course, but what I mean is can’t what happened here affect, for the better, what happens there?
72. Polymath - November 7th, 2008 at 11:13 am
You see a lot of posters for poilitcal parties that have the”with permission from David Farrar”.. Well not today. For those interested David Farrar has held many roles within the New Zealand National Party. Anyway, Its a list and I come here for lists.. New Zealand is a superpower (lol) and today I vote.
73. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 11:45 am
SoCalJeff: I do think the Maori seats should go - but I don’t think they cause resentment - I just don’t think they have any reason to exist while we have a proportional system. When the Maori seats were created we didn’t have a proportional system.
Kiwiboi: I did ignore him
74. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Mike: the aim is not to emulate the US system - it is to allow private hospitals to take some of the burden off the public system when the public system fails to provide for all - the private beds are there, why not use them? The government would pay for it. It would not mean a single penny extra to be paid by regular kiwis and it would not degrade the public system at all - that will still be the first port of call. We have seen how the US system works and believe me, no political party here would advocate duplicating it.
75. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 11:51 am
DiscHuker: I completely agree with you - I always try to vote for the party/policies that are the best for everyone in the country - not just me - and now it is especially important due to the financial crisis.
76. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 11:56 am
Phil (67) haha I know - the Greens certainly seem to like their TV celebs.
Segue: yes - you are right. The funny thing is both our left and right parties were using Obama - the left were saying “America voted left so we should” (flawed argument I think) and the right (who are still left of Obama) were saying “The US voted for change - that is what we need to do”. It will be interesting to see what happens
77. highslime - November 7th, 2008 at 11:59 am
This list was very enlightening. But as many said, I’m pretty tired of politics in general. This past year or so has been insane, and in the past few months, you couldn’t sit through a commercial break without seeing an Obama or Mccain ad.
Now here’s to hoping Obama wasn’t full of empty promises….
78. Scientific - November 7th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
I wish the Libertarian Party was better represented in the U.S. It is the best party for individual freedoms while not attacking your pocket book with a bunch of useless taxes like Obama wants to do. The Libertarian Party is the answer to the future, not left wing libs/dems, and not right wing conservatism. If you want freedom from government intervention, freedom to choose where your taxes go, and not get hastled if you want to smoke a doobey you should check out www.lp.org.
79. segue - November 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
jfrater: Whatever happens tomorrow in NZ, good luck! I wish you the best!
80. Taranis - November 7th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
whoa, wait, JFray, you’re from NZ? I totally thought you were from the UK or something. wow, I’m out of the loop. haha
81. BrotherMan - November 7th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
jfrater: This list provides me, and others as well, with a great insight into your government and the way that your country works.
I have been too focused on our U.S. election lately and it is commendable and admirable of you to provide a list of issues and debates happening outside of “my world”.
Your list is definately appreciated, Jamie. Thank you.
82. BrotherMan - November 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pm
Taranis: He did live in the U.K., but returned to his home country in NZ. You have to keep up with the latest news, my friend!
83. relevant>random - November 7th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Completely pointless list - if you are going to talk about New Zealand, talk about the Flight of the Conchords.
84. McSquida - November 7th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Something I’ve always wondered, maybe some of our Kiwi friends can answer it: Helen Clark is married, right, and has been for a while? Why is she always referred to as ‘Miss Clark’? Is it just ignorant Aussie journalists or is it some weird thing that she doesn’t like being called Mrs?
It’s been so hard to find news on the NZ election over here in Australia with the US election going on; it wasn’t even in the Adelaide paper here a couple days ago, which is terrible.
85. Hoagy13 - November 7th, 2008 at 3:57 pm
Plenty of room in Australia if you feel the need to get away from Ms Clark. As for Winston, you don’t need to be Einstein to guess why the Labor Government hasn’t done anything to remove him. His ancestoral background is the reason.
86. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pm
McSquida: they usually refer to her as Ms Clark at her request - she is actually Mrs Davis (married to Peter Davis). She stated in her biography that it was a marriage of convenience in order to move ahead in the party during the times that women were seldom seen in government here. I would suggest you look at nzherald.co.nz for news on the elections here but the law here does not allow any political commentary on election day until the polls close tonight.
Hoagy13: apparently we have been leaving in droves for that very reason
And regarding Winston - there are rumors that he has “dirt” on Helen and that she can’t fire him or he will make it public. I suspect we will never know though.
Brotherman: thanks for the nice comment - I appreciate it - especially as so many have posted annoyance at this vanity list
segue: thanks! I will be off to vote shortly - can’t wait.
87. khen913 - November 7th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
I have to say that I love this site, but with that said I hate this list. I am from the United States, and with that said the one thing I hated the most this year was a particular canidate’s supporters telling me to vote for [enter canidate here]. The fact that the main page on this site was used to tell Kiwis how to vote has honestly made me lose a little respect for the site. If I were you, JFrater, I would keep this to the forums.
88. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
khen913: I have not told anyone how to vote - I have said vote for change. Unlike the United States we do not have one party - we have more than 10 - voting for any one of those parties can cause change because our government is built up of a group of parties working together. No matter who gets the most votes, they will require the smaller parties to join them in a coalition or no government will be formed. Remember that the world is not a mirror image of the US - we do things differently here.
89. Kyran Wray - November 7th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
your a bad man Frater, how many people will this list influence?
90. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Kyran Wray: I suspect by the time I posted it yesterday, that most kiwis had already made up their minds - so not many
91. Angelina - November 7th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
So much for free speech, eh Jamie?
92. nipper - November 7th, 2008 at 6:39 pm
I just voted national and Simon Bridges, and I’m in the Tauranga electorate. Winston Peters is outta here
93. Yun - November 7th, 2008 at 7:18 pm
It’s funny how you say there’s no equivalent to the Republican party, but simply replacing “Labour” with “Democrat” and “National” with “Republican” would make this list incredibly similar to our own list of issues.
Here’s hoping you guys don’t screw it up like we did. Here’s hoping we get a chance to change this country back into something resembling America in 2010 instead of the United States of Europe the incoming government wants to create. >.
94. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
nipper: damn right - Simon Bridges is a great guy - he will make an excellent MP in Tauranga for many more years to come.
95. jfrater - November 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pm
Oh - incidentally, I recommend TV3 for the election coverage because it has Jenni McManus (a real straight shooter), Linda Clark (our best commentator), and Matthew Hooton - another straight shooter.
96. Me! - November 7th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Thanks for this post. I have always wanted to visit NZ and it’s interesting to learn more about it.
97. el duderino - November 7th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
As easy as it would be to post a snarky comment about how no one, other than half a million kiwis, really give a shit about NZ politics, I’ll try to refrain.
As an American who tends toward conservative/libertarian, I hope that your man does better than Ron Paul - who has about as much influence here in the USA as NZ does in the world - which is to say not a lot.
Free trade is of fundamental importance to NZ, and the worlds largest economy just elected a 1/4 term senator who wants to unilaterally withdraw from key international free trade agreements. Rots-o-ruck NZ, things might get bad for a while before they get better.
98. DK - November 8th, 2008 at 1:17 am
Jamie, I found this list incredibly interesting, and a nice change of political pace from all the US stuff. Interestingly, I was recently talking to an online friend who lives in NZ about they way your political system works, so between that chat & this list, I feel like I’ve learned a lot!
99. Shadow - November 8th, 2008 at 3:43 am
Jamie, I’m glad others want to see their country do better. Hopefully, all went well with your elections!
100. Shadow - November 8th, 2008 at 3:44 am
Oh, and Jamie, it may be a good idea if, assuming there is a next time, the author posts sources and facts to back up what he says. I believe you, but others may not. Fact and all would be a good way to keep their mouths shut.
101. Jono - November 8th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Congratulations to the National Party for winning the election!
Yay! Hopefully this ends a decade of lackluster governing!
102. Jono - November 8th, 2008 at 4:23 am
el duderino:
Just so you know, New Zealand has been vying for a FTA with the US for a number of years now, and each attempt bas been systematically denied. So it doesn’t seem like it can get any worse for us.
103. McSquida - November 8th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Anyone having a go at this list for being about NZ politics, really, get a life. There are other countries besides the US out there, and it’s good to actually get a viewpoint from one of them.
104. jfrater - November 8th, 2008 at 5:18 am
Tonight the National Party won - New Zealand elected a change of government - and our libertarian party (ACT) is an important part of it! Thanks to all who voted - our country is going to be better for it! Congratulations to Prime Minister Key!
105. astraya - November 8th, 2008 at 6:09 am
And there’s wall-to-wall coverage on Korean tv, like there was for the US election.
Not.
It does get top spot on the Sydney Morning Herald online, though, but without the banner headline that the Melbourne cup and Obama got (in that chronological order).
106. Mom424 - November 8th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Congratulations Jamie! National did awesomely. Your party is key to their majority in the house - you’re going to be busy for the next few years I bet.
107. segue - November 8th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
To everyone who complained or bitched about Jamie using LV to post anything about the elections in New Zealand: Get a life!
I read and reread the list. Looking at it from the outside all I can say about it is, *it was as fair as it could be*.
It *WAS* fair. He presented facts.
Jamie - Congratulations!
108. BrotherMan - November 8th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Congrats from me as well, Jamie! In the coming years we shall both see what will become of our countries with the new government bodies in office. You have actually inspired me to keep track of the goings-on in New Zealand now that I sort of know a little bit about the current issues.
109. k1w1taxi - November 8th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Another notable difference was the quality of concession speeches last night. Neither Helen nor Jeanette Fitzsimons (Greens) were exactly generous in defeat. In fact Fitzsimons came off looking very poor I thought, especially after hearing John McCain’s concession on Wed (our time).
Ian (34) I hope your post refers to something other than the post currently showing as 12 as there is nothing whatsoever to laugh about in the extremely tragic case of Nia Glassie, which is is possibly the saddest in a very long line of domestic related child murders in this country.
Cheers
Lee
110. JimL - November 8th, 2008 at 9:07 pm
This is right wing propaganda. Left wing propaganda also exists of course, but propaganda is propaganda. The ACT party got about 3% of the vote on the far right. They are slightly left of the Nazis and the KKK, but not much. Ze trains vill run on time! Or as we’re talking about Noo Zealand, the train.
Of course now there will be no crime. And by the way, the Labour party is like the democrats and the Nats are like the Republicans. And then there are the fruit loops on the fringes, who write on blogs. But I’m not one of them of course. Bring back direct rule from London, all is forgiven Liz.
111. 3rd Period Points - November 8th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
#110 “And by the way, the Labour party is like the democrats and the Nats are like the Republicans. And then there are the fruit loops on the fringes, who write on blogs.”
This is an example of the most dangerous and pervasive line of propaganda currently accepted as truth throughout the world, particularly in my nation, the USA. The oppression and sedation of the populace hinges upon convincing the electorate that they must choose between 2 parties, 2 candidates invariably controlled by many of the same special interests.
“Fruit loops” don’t inhabit the fringes of the political spectrum. Thomas Jefferson, according to the extant collection of his writing, would gladly take a prominent position on the fringe of today’s political landscape. JimL, I encourage you to research the unfiltered ideas and convictions of our(?) founding fathers. Those men shared more in common with current libertarian (and Ron Paul-esque) philosophy than with the current Republicans or Democrats of any ilk.
Thanks, j.frater, for the thoughtful post.
112. Crimanon - November 9th, 2008 at 12:30 am
Proud member of a third party! The get-togethers are a little more amusing as well!
113. jfrater - November 9th, 2008 at 1:09 am
k1w1taxi: I agree - Helen even went so far as to arrogantly state that she hoped that all the good work they had done (dragging our nation in the bottom of the OECD and doubling the number of welfare recipients) would not be destroyed on the bonfire of right wing policies. I am so glad she resigned!
114. jfrater - November 9th, 2008 at 1:16 am
JimL: you think the National party is like the republicans? The National Party are going to continue working for families - a welfare policy which gives money to middle class 2 parent wage earning families. They are going to keep public health. They are going to keep all of the current welfare. They are going to keep the anti-nuclear positions. They are going to keep gay marriage. They are going to keep the separation of Church and State. How exactly is that like the republicans? I think you are obviously a Labour party supporter - and let us not forget that the labour party are so far left they are like the Communist parties in the world.
As for ACT, you are mistaken, they are a libertarian party - the Nazis wanted to control their people (much like the communists) - they were the first government in history to run anti-smoking propaganda campaigns. They were (like the communists) intent on control - they just wanted to control in different ways. ACT are libertarians - they want people to have the freedom to make their own choices in life. They want people to pick their own schools for their kids, to pick their own health systems, etc. Saying they are just slightly to the left of the Nazi’s is extremely misleading. The last 9 years of government here have been closer to the Nazis ideals of controlling people through propaganda and passing laws to keep the people towing the party line than any other party in our nations history.
115. GRUMPYNZ - November 9th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
Good weekend: another All Blacks win, and a National-led government. Great stuff.
116. DDRM - November 9th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Thanks for the list! Nice to hear about an election after 2 years of only hearing about the US.
(although as an kiwi i’m biased
)
Congratulations to “The bill and ben party” Two NZ comedians who got over 10000 votes! More than many of the actual smaller minor parties!
…who’d vote for politicians anyway
117. Amanda - November 9th, 2008 at 7:52 pm
As a Labour supporter, I am disappointed about the change in Government, but I’m not so one eyed that I can’t “Suck It Up” and look in to what National CAN do for me and the country.
I’m not blind to Labour’s faults - yes I have issues with the health and education system. But far from being the “Hand out Govt”, I see first hand what they’ve done for the hard working middle class ie: myself. And that’s no interest student loans (Ellie: There’s one of the things Labour did for students, and they were going to introduce a universal student allowance), reasonable taxes (c’mon 20 cents in the dollar is pretty reasonable!), and the Civil Union Bill.
I support friends in the gay community, whom National have been really rough on over the years, so that’s one of the emotional issues for me.
But, as Jamie says, for all our perceived conservative vs liberal brooha, New Zealand is still a pretty forward moving and liberal country (Go Go Gadget No Nukes, No War, Civil Union!)
118. JimL - November 10th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Okay J Frater I was thinking about the Nazis and after all they were the Nationalist Socialist Workers Party of Deutschland so I guess they were really Lefties weren’t they? Regarding the Nats, they only say they will do those things so no doubt they won’t anyway. This left and right stuff is very confusing. Anyway you can claim to be as free thinking as you like but some of those videos you find so funny are just plain nasty.
119. sharlu - November 10th, 2008 at 1:08 am
hmm . . i’m not sure if i’m that happy about National’s win . . road tolls! and all that stuff about kiwisaver? I really hope it’s kept as it is . . and Helen Clark’s speech was actually quite good . . I still respect her as one of our nation’s best leader’s . . nobody’s perfect . . let’s see what mr investment banker can do for us haha:D
120. JayArr - November 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Dang, the wicked witch had some serious problems with her teeth.
So, does anyone in NZ know Pamela Brown? She’d be in her late 60’s or early 70’s about now.
121. Miss Nimbus - November 11th, 2008 at 4:48 am
I voted ACT too….. I’m glad Peters is a gonner…. what a loser, although I think he had some good ideas he was so arragant eh….
122. Pwnstar - November 11th, 2008 at 11:18 am
No Republicans? Get me on a flight to New Zealand….
123. bigski - November 11th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
Im from the U.S and dont know about N.Z politics and I hope everything workes out for them. Im kind of in the middle between left & right.Good luck.
124. Mister In - November 11th, 2008 at 9:06 pm
You really are a little nazi lasseiz fare chip off the old private school neo conservative block aren’t you? Crawl back under your stone and die.
125. esl - November 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
All of you National voters will definitely get a little more cash your pockets with John Key’s tax cuts. Too bad you’re going to be spending that tax-cut money to pay for your own healthcare when National privatizes ACC!
I think every NZer who voted National/ACT should be sent to America to fend for themselves…that’s where your country is headed now (actually, you’d probably be better off in America now that Obama has just been voted in…maybe healthcare will now be cheaper in the States than in NZ!).
Ambivalence and ignorance is bliss, New Zealand!!
126. Crimanon - November 12th, 2008 at 10:43 am
And maybe all of the Jews would be better off in Israel. What ever happened to doing positive things for your country and coming together for the greater good? I’m going to be facing someone that I Didn’t vote for. What makes you so special that you shouldn’t cope with Change?
Our healthcare system is going to drop off the map. Quantity not quality is not what I’m looking for in insurance. Universal heath care is going to over medicate, misdiagnose, and encourage us to stay at home and “Tough it Out”. I think there are quite a few cancer patients who think walking it off may be a bad idea.
Don’t be so daft, You should focus on your own country and it’s problems without making an undereducated assumption about others’.
127. esl - November 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
I wasn’t making an undereducated assumption - you were (you assumed I was just some American; I’m not). I’m an ex-pat American who works in the NZ media (and my partner works for the NZ government) - I have to deal with NZ policy everyday.
128. Crimanon - November 12th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
esl: I knew full and well that you weren’t American. Not a stretch to figure that out after you shouted “New Zealand!!”
What you fail to catch was a much more polite way of me saying “Leave my country out of this.” You’ve clearly made up you mind about where you want to be in this world, we have no need to hear of our own problems again.
My Father, Mother, several friends, numerous acquaintances, and about twenty percent of the people I see everyday work for the US gov’t. I’m not impressed, It could be anything from Defense to taxes to sweeping the floors in a local shelter. Could there be a more ambiguous career? Not impressed and it proves nothing about you knowledge of NZ Gov. A few minutes of internet searches and I could sound like a kiwi too.
129. Nicosia - November 12th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
Ron Paul freakin’ rocks! I love a fiscal conservative! Republicans get such a bad rap… We just would rather rely on ourselves than our “ever-so-efficient” government.
130. Taylor Paki - November 15th, 2008 at 3:09 am
Hmmm… Another New Zealander here who isn’t particularly chuffed about the outcome of the election. Having only reached voting age last month and being one of the few high-school aged students who got to vote, I’m almost certain that if the voting age were lowered by even a year, Labour would have stayed in Government. Every single student I talked to over the course of the Monday following the election said they were furious about the results of the election. And that’s approximately 80 of the more intelligent students in my high-school. Although it may have been a regional thing as all of my teachers were rather dejected also.
131. Sophietta - November 15th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
What i find funny is that the ACT spokesman on law and order is actually a criminal himself. Not convicted of course but he held a forged passport and the police came looking for him. And know he talks about zero tolerance. Ha!
132. labrat - November 16th, 2008 at 6:43 am
if things don’t work out you could join up with your western neighbours. think about it; New Zealand, Australia’s 7th state! it has a ring to it.
133. Rational Thinker - November 17th, 2008 at 6:39 am
National are a lot more right-wing than you explain. National is very similiar to the Republican party.
This article is extremely biased and maybe the author should do some better research (i.e the economy article, the healthcare article, probably all of them actually)
John key is a multi-millionaire BUSINESSMAN, and will do the same as every other national government (make himself and his friends wealthier in the name of a “better looking” economy, create a bigger gap between rich and poor, sell NZ assets and abolish social welfare for the needy).
I notice this article doesn’t mention John Key lying about how many shares he owned in NZ rail and how he sold them back (for quite a bit) to his own country after his party sold NZ rail originally. They are also PRO-WAR.
Don’t listen to this Cretin, do your own research, and figure things out for yourself.