Top 10 Sci Fi Inventions that Should not be Invented
Published on January 16, 2008 - 200 Comments
There are tons of awesome inventions in sci fi movies and books. Things like faster than light travel, force fields and bionic implants. There are also some things that, on the surface, seem like they would make life easier and simpler. This is a list of sci fi inventions that seem great, but are really more trouble then they are worth.
10. Flying Cars
Imagine being stuck in traffic. It sucks right? Now imagine that you could flip a switch, and suddenly your car would begin to rise into the air. You fly over all those suckers stuck in traffic, gloating. Now that you’re flying, imagine running into a tree. Next, imagine getting into a fender bender with another flying car and plummeting toward your death in a flaming heap of twisted metal.
Flying cars would undoubtedly solve a number of problems. The only thing is, they would create a whole new world of problems. To keep from running into every single power line and radio tower we would need to create laws dictating where you could drive. Kind of like creating flying roads. Of course, as soon as you get enough flying cars, you get a traffic jam on the skyways, thus negating the purpose of having a flying car.
9. Cryogenic freezing
Cryogenic freezing actually exists today. Every year, dozens of people elect to be frozen in the hope that medical advances will progress to the point where they can be thawed and cured of their diseases. Despite obvious risks and expenses, this process has been around for decades.
Now, let’s assume that medical science advances to the point where it is possible to thaw the frozen bodies and heal any diseases which might have occurred. Suddenly, you can just go freeze yourself and thaw yourself at some point in the future. The question is then, what happens to the population when people who would have otherwise died, are brought to life in the future? Talk about overpopulation.
8. Artificial Intelligence
Movies and literature are chock full of robots. It’s quite possibly one of the most cliché objects in sci fi media. Despite this, robots are very real today and AI is not far off. Wouldn’t it be great though, to have a servant who will do anything you ask? Or perhaps a lover who never ages? What about a machine that completely supplants all menial laborers?
The answer is no, it would not be great. AI is a common theme in sci fi and usually it causes more problems than solutions. If you don’t believe me, think about the facts. The current trend is that every two years processors double in speed, halve in size and halve in price. Assuming this trend continues, in 20 years you’ll be able to purchase a computer the size of a postage stamp that’s smarter than the human brain, for about $1. Now who’s the superior species?
7. Prediction of the future
Wouldn’t it be great to stop murders before they happened? How about wars? What about knowing next week’s lotto numbers? Worthwhile goals, all of them. And entirely within reach with a time viewing machine. Imagine how many problems would be solved. No more war, famine or pestilence. The complete utilitarian society, right?
Wrong. So let’s say, hypothetically speaking, that the US has a time viewing machine; this machine then predicts that China is going to attack Los Angeles. To prevent this from happening, the US issues a preemptive strike, thus starting a war in which China launches a missile headed straight for California. Thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is true of any major man made catastrophe.
6. Teleportation Device
Imagine a world where you can travel to New Zealand on Saturday, then stop over in Denmark for quick visit on Sunday, before you have to be to work on Monday. No longer do we have to use precious fossil fuel to travel. Terrorism in travel is a thing of the past. Until a terrorist teleports a bomb into the White House.
First, let’s assume that there is some sort of safety protocol in place to prevent things like that from happening. Technically, a teleporter breaks down all of the atoms in your body and sends them to the destination, where they are then reconstructed. The only problem with this is the actual transmission of the atoms. That’s where information age comes in. It makes far more sense to just transmit the blueprints of your atomic structure to a reconstruction device. Essentially, a teleporter is just a fax machine. The problem arises in the early use of such devices. Have you ever made a copy of a copy of a copy? Even using the highest quality copy machine, the quality degenerates rapidly. At first, it might not be noticeable. What are a few atoms from a hair? Or a fingernail? Or your heart? We’re not sure what even the smallest change in your atomic structure would do.
5. Nanobots
Cancer has been cured! The human lifespan numbers in the centuries. All degenerative diseases have ceased to exist. Major injuries heal within seconds. Recreational drug use no longer has any negative effects. Hangovers are a thing of the past.
Nanobots have cured the world. These self replicating robots are now injected into everyone as a natural immunization. To describe the horrors of these machines, here’s a quote from Eric Drexler’s book Engines of Creation:
Imagine such a replicator floating in a bottle of chemicals, making copies of itself….the first replicator assembles a copy in one thousand seconds, the two replicators then build two more in the next thousand seconds, the four build another four, and the eight build another eight. At the end of ten hours, there are not thirty-six new replicators, but over 68 billion. In less than a day, they would weigh a ton; in less than two days, they would outweigh the Earth; in another four hours, they would exceed the mass of the Sun and all the planets combined - if the bottle of chemicals hadn’t run dry long before.
Part of the appeal of nanobots is that only a few need be injected and they can replicate in the human body. This also describes the danger. To put it succinctly: We are the Borg. Lower your shields. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance if futile!
4. Weather Control
Welcome to the future. Global hunger has been solved. The world community lives in utopian tranquility without hurricanes, tornadoes or floods. The human race can now turn its gaze to more worthwhile things like space travel and beer.
The problem with weather control arises when we unleash specific weather on delicate ecosystems which cannot exist except under certain conditions. If this hurdle is overcome there is no reason we shouldn’t have a weather control device. Until it breaks. Then a world lulled into complacency by good weather is suddenly thrown into a natural disaster. Or, in a worst case scenario, a hostile foreign power takes over our weather control devices and unleashes storms of unimaginable power and magnitude against us.
3. Genetic Engineering
Perfect humans. Engineered from before birth to be the best of the best. What could be better than having the perfect child, with no possible risk of inherited flaws? All without the use of those messy nanobots. I think the movie Gattaca (1997) says it best:
We want to give your child the best possible start. Believe me, we have enough imperfection built in already. Your child doesn’t need any more additional burdens. Keep in mind, this child is still you. Simply, the best, of you. You could conceive naturally a thousand times and never get such a result.
The danger arises not from any physical aspect of genetic engineering, but rather the social aspects. When you begin to breed perfect humans, you create an entirely new social class. Bringing discrimination to new levels, the class you belong to will not be determined by social status, income or the color of your skin, rather, the build of your genes.
2. Holodecks
After a stressful day at work, what could be more relaxing than coming home and relaxing in a nice peaceful meadow? Perhaps going for a relaxing drive in your flying car? With a holodeck, you can go anywhere, be anyone, or do anything. With the way videogames are heading, holodecks are not too far off. Imagine that you can have anything you want. Any fantasy you have is possible. And there is the danger.
It’s the perfect drug. Why would anyone bother going dealing with their crappy wife and kids when they have the perfect life in the holodeck? Why would anyone bother dealing with reality? You want to be Emperor of Rome? Sure! You want to be Blackbeard the Pirate? Why not? You want to have sex with Marilyn Monroe? Whatever you want is possible with the holodeck. It’s been jokingly put forth that the holodeck would be the world’s last invention. The thing is; it would be. Why bother inventing anything else when you’ve already invented the perfect world?
1. Replicators
Replicators are the solution to nearly every problem the world has. Imagine no more world hunger. No longer is there any energy crisis. Never again will there be a shortage of medical supplies. The perfect world where you can have anything you want.
Until the complete and utter collapse of society. You see, the replicator would make work obsolete. There would be no need for money. As a matter of fact, you would only need one large replicator and you could replicate another one. You could make anything from fresh pizza to a molecule-for-molecule exact reproduction of the Hope Diamond. The last day of the world will come when anybody can make anything.
Bonus: Time Travel
Though not actually possible, time travel would create incalculable problems. Imagine going back in time and you meet a nice girl and take her out and things happen and you go back to your time and nine months later, she gives birth to your father. You kind of have to ask yourself, “What?”
The slightest change in the past would create ripples into the future. Only you would know about those ripples, because to everyone else, that’s just the way history turned out. Then let’s say you go into the future and copy the blueprints for some fantastic machine like a replicator. You bring it back to your time and invent it and somewhere along the line some knave steals your blueprints. Oh wait! That knave was you! It just doesn’t work.
Contributor: Mystern
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1. Anthony - January 16th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Being the complete Sci-Fi geek I am, I find myself disagreeing completely with any of these not being invented. Still, well written and a joy to read.
2. Harsha - January 16th, 2008 at 11:20 am
To Mystern : Please next time post an original list. Its nice that about half of it is yours.The rest…well its from Cracked.com, the articles are almost identical, except the fact that cracked tries to make it look funny.
Here, see how obvious it is :
http://www.cracked.com/article.....-suck.html
3. Atom - January 16th, 2008 at 11:29 am
I’m all for most of those and think they would actually benefit mankind.
Especially cryogenic freezing, genetic engineering, and nano bots. Even ethical philosophers agree that the benefits of these outway the negatives.
And as for AI not being far off, you’re very wrong. Sci Fi is awesome, and I love it, but it has givin the impression that we will have fully self-aware and intelligent robots soon. It’s not going to happen soon. Not when we barely understand how the human mind works and while we’re still trying to grasp what conciousness is. It’s possible we’ll have very advanced scripts that mimic AI, but it’s still going to be scripted behavior.
4. Shadow - January 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am
I disagree only with the replicator and time travel. While it would seem to be the end of the world if people could have anything they want, it wouldn’t be. People will always find ways to adapt to new things.
As for time travel, it is possible, just not at our current level of technology, at least that’s what the ubiquitous “they” say…
5. Hitesh - January 16th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Worst. List. Ever.
6. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 11:35 am
not to mention the terrorism that will come from a flying car.we have trouble dealing with terrorists on the ground as it is but then when you give them an extra dimension to use it will be almost impossible to deal with
scientists are already doing dodgy things with technology they dont really understand.for example some scientists are trying to make a bacteria that can break down plastic.if it gets released by accident it makes plastic a great deal more useless because the fact plastic cant be broken down makes it so usefull.then there is the fact we can recycle plastic quite easily and their is no need to break it down
7. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 11:36 am
we already know time travel is impossible because if it was we would meet people from the future
8. SlickWilly - January 16th, 2008 at 11:52 am
King of the Horizon:
Ever heard of John Titor?
9. JUSTINW - January 16th, 2008 at 11:52 am
just sayin
10. Mathilda - January 16th, 2008 at 11:59 am
I like this list; the only one that I disagree with is the Holodeck. Anyone with a good imagination can already go anywhere they want to, whenever they want!
11. Stacy - January 16th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Hey King, how do you know you never met anyone from the future?
I think Time Travel is possible and it’s been said so by people who have more brains then any of us have collectively. However, I don’t think future people can meet us here and now because that is assuming the future is already written. That what’s going to happen to me tomorrow is already predestined no matter what. However I think you can one day go to the past and that can screw up the present.
12. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
hey stacy.
in all honesty i think about subjects like these so much i change my view on them regulary.i mean theres a possiblity they end up in a parralel dimension.how can we control that we end up in our own dimension
13. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 12:11 pm
Harshaw: Thanks for posting that. I simply felt that the list at Cracked was a bit wordy and could use some additional items.
14. Kelsey - January 16th, 2008 at 12:14 pm
Great List! I completely agree that the AI and the Time Machine are bad ideas, although I also do not believe that time travel is possible.
15. romerozombie - January 16th, 2008 at 12:18 pm
Best list I’ve ever read on this site.
PS. Does anyone know, if you’re able, how to submit a list?
16. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Romero: Go here: http://listverse.com/contribute
17. killerAngels - January 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
In regards to the teleportation device, the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle makes it physically impossible. So if you were ever able to get them to teleport, the chances of you ever reassembling them, are low. And the chances of them reassembling in the correct order to form a functioning human, are well, very slim.
18. romerozombie - January 16th, 2008 at 12:28 pm
“And the chances of them reassembling in the correct order to form a functioning human, are well, very slim.”
Yeah, we all saw The Fly.
Thanks Mystern.
19. HandyMandy - January 16th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
Good List! It’s fun to think about some of this stuff. But I agree with Mathilda, if you have an imagination you can go anywhere, or be anyone you want.
20. Eric - January 16th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
The biggest problem with flying cars is accidents. Many people already cannot handle driving in two dimensions - the # of accidents that would occur adding a 3rd dimension (elevation) would be gigantic.
Replicators and holodecks - I don’t see it. somebody has to know how to make and repair these things, and the energy usage of these devices would be enormous - I don’t see society collapsing because of these devices.
21. Juggz - January 16th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
King of the Horizon : Current speculations in time tavel indicate that tiem travel can only occur within the time that a time machine is created. Which since one hasnt been created yet, time travel doesnt exist yet. Explaining why we havent met anyone from the future. I personally dont think time travel will ever happen, not that i wouldnt like to see it but the complications and paradoxes it would create are just mind boggling to think about.
AI already exists maybe not to the extent that movies and science fiction make it out to be, but i see no reason why it wont. IMO it is the most possible and likely item on this list.
22. SubliminalDeath666 - January 16th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
That list is not even original!! The original one on cracked.com is funnier. Whoever made this list sucks total ass!!
23. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
Eric: The idea is that the first replicator invented would signal the end of society as we know it. It may be true that society would not collapse completely, but certain things would no longer matter. The idea of labor would have to be completely redefined as well as copyright and wealth. I agree about the enormous power the replicator would take but the simple fix is to replicate more simple energy types, like hydrogen.
As far as holodecks go, they might not destroy society all together, some people might prefer the challenges of real life. Others might not.
24. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Subliminal: Thanks for posting that again. Please read comment number 13.
25. Allan - January 16th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
@ - Eric
I suppose you could just replicate your own energy supply eh? But then I guess that turns into a chicken or the egg dilema.
As far as flying cars go though, yeah that would be a total s@#t storm.
26. SubliminalDeath666 - January 16th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Mystern: Sorry lol. XD Your version of the list wasn’t so bad either though.
27. DiscHuker - January 16th, 2008 at 12:55 pm
we all think differently. when i read the title for this list, my first thought was “well, i bet holodecks and replicators aren’t on this list”. i see the conundrum that you present, mystern, however the holodeck has always been the most intriguing part of the Star Trek universe to me. and then once you get done, to be able to walk over to a machine and say “filet mignon, medium rare with mashed potatoes and a nice beverage” is just the cherry on top.
being that we are dealing with the fantasy world here, why not a list of the top 10 cool things to use a replicator/holodeck for.
leave all this realism at the door, of the holodeck that is.
28. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
DiscHuker: Yeah they’d be convenient, but the would also change nearly every aspect of society.
29. Eric - January 16th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Re Mystern
Hyddrogen is not an energy source - it’s an energy carrier - some form of energy production be it fusion, solar, etc. is required to produce free hydrogen to use as an energy transport medium. The topic is things that shouldn’t be invented - I wouldn’t put replicators or holodecks in this category. Certainly they would dramatically change society, but so did many other inventions. That doesn’t mean they are/were bad. Plus any real replicator/holodeck will have limits and/or a price on it’s capabilities that will limit their impacts as well.
30. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
Eric: I concede those points. Well said. My intention was to present the dangers they might cause. I certainly don’t have a time viewing machine to tell you what would actually happen.
31. Eric - January 16th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
Real functioning holodecks and replicators would dramatically improve the ability of humans to travel in space. Rather than the Star Trek type uses though, imagine a spaceship that takes years to make a trip at non-relativistic speeds. Thing is, you can deal with this. A couple of replictors on board means you can make any spare parts/modifications, food etc. while on the trip. A large holodeck means that the human occupants can endure the trip by spending the time in an environment that won’t drive everybody insane.
32. Cat Skyfire - January 16th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Two thoughts.
Flying vehicles: Think about how much trouble we have traveling on a flat plane. Could you imagine really trying to navigate vertical as well?
Weather control: The worst aspect of weather control is that some of the natural weather phenomenon are good in a long term sort of way. The flooding of the Nile was how Egypt became an agricultural and world power. Hurricanes, while destructive to man, often work things out in a nature way. And while watering deserts sounds nice, the destruction to the eco-system would be vast.
33. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
im not that afraid of replicators.i mean they took care of them in stargate right?
34. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
LOL @ King of the Horizon
35. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
a thought about holodecks
spam.
imagine yourself walking across a long sandy beach.the day is beautiful,the sun is golden-hell you can even feel yourself tanning.you see a very scantily clad woman in the distance.hey she seems to be beckoning at you.you run over but you suddenly are rooted to the ground.then in a genric pornstar voice she states why it would be practicly free to joing 14 sites all at once for only $8 dollars a month.
36. HandyMandy - January 16th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
Point well made about weather control. -Cat Skyfire
37. The lolster - January 16th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
Holodecks remind me of the machines in Pendragon, lifelight i think? Anyway it ruined their society
38. Chris - January 16th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
its not cool that you didnt even credit the website you copied exact text from, i had come to respect you and this website but you have lost a lot from me, not if it matters to you but at least post a source page
39. SocialButterfly - January 16th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
Besides the fact that I do think time travel will be possible, I thought this list was great… Most people only ever think about why something would great. Thank you Mystern for showing us the other side.
“From great power comes great responsibility.”
40. Mystern - January 16th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Butterfly: glad you enjoyed it.
Chris: Sorry to disappoint but I repeat my previous statement: Please see comment 13
41. DiscHuker - January 16th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
butterfly: why do you think time travel will be possible?
42. wetsocks - January 16th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Time travel to me doesn’t seem that farfetched. Going backwards in time, however, doesn’t make sense. Aside from the many paradoxes that you could create, how could you go back to a time BEFORE your time machine was even created?
43. SocialButterfly - January 16th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
DiscHuker: Honestly I have no technological or scientific theories to back my thoughts up. I am just a movie geek who would love for Doc Brown to be right.
44. Andie_Girl9 - January 16th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
“Oh wait! That knave was you!” Classic!! But what should be invented is the technology to erradicate useless media whores like Paris HIlton or Britney Spears. It will happen. In due time. In due time.
-Andrea Carlena Beauman
45. andrew - January 16th, 2008 at 2:45 pm
awesome list.
46. King of the Horizon - January 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
to settle it once and for all time travel is possible and i have proof!!!
its called living.as we live we travel forward through time at a very slow rate.we can make time travel seem faster by doing enjoyable activities such as wactching tv or reading listverse(sucking up=])
47. Crimanon - January 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
I say we need a way to deactivate the “Bubble of Stupid” around minivans. Or a way to harness the Dryer Vortex. Free Energy by way of buttered toast and a cat. I could go on, but I think our heads would explode.
48. Blogball - January 16th, 2008 at 3:40 pm
This was an entertaining list Mystern. Thanks for submitting it. I have actually thought about the practicality of many of these when I used to daydream in grade school… OK high school too…OK college also and I still do to this day. Are you satisfied now?
I am thinking about submitting a list in the future. I guess one has to be prepared to roll with the punches and defend and explain every word that is written. I guess that’s one of the things that makes this site so enjoyable.
49. Dana - January 16th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
Lots of food for thought there. However, I do like the holodeck idea. Although as a woman, I really don’t care to have sex with Marilyn Monroe.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that.
50. Fallenangel - January 16th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
This was just a great list and fun to read thanks hun
51. ? - January 16th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
Mathilda - your comment reminded me of this article: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33642
Hah!
52. islanderbst - January 16th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
i hate to think about senior citizens driving flying cars. i doubt theyd drive fast enough to stay off teh ground
btw the 1 thing i want invented is a hoverboard like “back to the future”, it’d be sweeeet
53. Kelsi - January 16th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Hmm…interesting idea, but poorly executed I think.
Besides, no Death Star?
54. chsrocket47 - January 16th, 2008 at 5:03 pm
i think that genetic engineering should be #1 for the same reasons you have already listed. social discrimination would be on an entirely different level. i’m pretty much repeating what you say but yeah it’s a pretty good list.
55. Brian Moo - January 16th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
Could’ve sworn I same list on one of the hot link sites a while back.
56. deep - January 16th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
I want all of these to happen. lol. it’ll be great!
57. Altron - January 16th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Time travel has already arrived, it’s been here since the dawn of man. You simply turn off the lights, lay down on your bed, and close your eyes. Before you know it, it’s 8 hours later!!
58. Dr. Frobischer - January 16th, 2008 at 6:33 pm
I’ve always had a problem with time travel. You see, it implies space travel as well. Imagine I made a horrible mistake six months ago and to rectify the problem I build a time machine to go back to that fateful point to set things right. Unfortunately, when I turn it on I go back in time six months and realize I have travelled through time but not space. The Earth was on the opposite side of the Sun six months ago and now I’m approximately 180 million miles from my objective - and a nice source of oxygen. The mathematics and computing power involved in plotting the path of anything to a point where you could land safely is what will keep this idea purely on the fiction side of science fiction. Of course, one should never say never so perhaps the cosmos is filled with time machines - but they are all floating in the interstellar void and filled with people frozen in death with a look of “D’oh” on their faces. Come to think about it, maybe that’s where all the dark matter comes from…
59. amoondoo - January 16th, 2008 at 6:41 pm
“To put it succinctly: We are the Borg. Lower your shields. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resistance if futile!”
Start trek quote~!
60. vmars - January 16th, 2008 at 7:19 pm
What a bunch of nerds.
61. davo - January 16th, 2008 at 7:26 pm
i agree with the holodeck.
No one wants to confront Atilla the Hun and his techno space babble
62. Chris - January 16th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
thanks mystern, i skipped over your original message becuase i thought you were jfrater… name change or something?
63. Mom424 - January 16th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
I thought the list was great
re: time travel,, the latest consensus seems to be that time travel back in time is impossible, but forward and back to now may just be….
check this out
http://www.livescience.com/tec.....ravel.html
ps: this is a great site, its in my hot links,,(after LU of course)
64. Mom424 - January 16th, 2008 at 8:37 pm
by the way,,,anybody out there that can explain string theory in a way that I (fairly intelligent but not quite mensa, well maybe borderline..lol)
can understand would be appreciated….
65. Elle Rayne - January 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
Sorry, but most of these are not very well reasoned, and the arguments against several of these technologies (e.g. eugenics — positive eugenics is not the same as negative eugenics) have been disproven by respected futurists.
66. dusty bottoms - January 16th, 2008 at 8:44 pm
I’ll take a little of number 4. Houston weather sucks. Who cares if the ecosystem dies. It can’t be any worse than the one we have now(speaking of houston)
Let’s assume time travel will exist some day(it won’t) Where will be the first place everyone goes?
67. Chestica - January 16th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Awesome! Freakin awesome and I’m not even a sci-fi fan.
68. rigbydog - January 16th, 2008 at 8:57 pm
poorly justified…where IS Jfrater??
69. Cyn - January 16th, 2008 at 9:29 pm
http://listverse.com/administration/travel-update/
70. footobear - January 16th, 2008 at 9:32 pm
I come and read this site on a daily basis. The fact that they would allow someones article to stay up even though the person admits to stealing it completely pisses me off. Mystern, you are an idiot.
71. 20Fan20 - January 16th, 2008 at 10:22 pm
I have always enjoyed the idea of time travel.
Dr. Frobischer brings up a new and interesting idea. Of course if you have time travel ability I assume you have some pretty stout computing power to begin with. But I am not sure it would be needed. Moving through time also includes moving through space. I thought they were connected in the space time sense. For example, the fabric of space continues to expand. We, and all matter such as planets etc. do not expand with it because the strong nuclear forces holding our atoms together is stronger.
The arguement against time travel becuase we would have met time travelers is not completely true. It assumes that the time travelers want to come to our time. They may not. It assumes you can time travel and return to your time and reuse the machine. I don’t imagine a whole lot of time travelers in the future taking one way trips, then again you never know.
There is not reason a time traveler did not come back in time and we never found evidence of it.
72. Crimanon - January 17th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Mom: Great info on String theory;
http://www.overstock.com/Books.....2-000-000.
A beautiful piece, It’ll take you awhile if you’re not familiar. It was so good I bought it twice!!!
73. Drogo - January 17th, 2008 at 4:25 am
A problem with flying cars: You’re cruising along, but then you get stuck behind some 90 year old woman who’s flying too slow, with her UP turn signal blinking.
74. fishing4monkeys - January 17th, 2008 at 5:27 am
Teleporting a bomb into the white house?
It could just be set up like an airport except without planes and each gate would be a teleporter…not like a teleporter in every house or office building, people would get alot fat(er) and would never walk anywhere haha.
And why is time travel a bunus? By the logic you used with #7 traveling back in time would be redundent! Anything that has happened couldn’t be changed by traveling back in time as what has happened is a result of said time travel. “A person travels back in time and does something thereby fulfilling history and leading to the invention of time travel and that person traveling back in time and doing something which in turn…” and so on.
Yeah I really think out my theories haha
75. Baron Samedi - January 17th, 2008 at 6:46 am
I disagree! One thing – bear in mind that I am here answering on that “…should NOT be invented”. I will present counterarguments why this STILL should be invented (since positive feats of these inventions beat negative). Also, I must apologize for my English, I am not an English native speaker. I will do my best to be clear as possible. And brief.
10) Flying cars - when the car was invented, there were speculations that it will mean the end of people, since guys with cars would feel a tremendous power and would start hitting till they die in car accidents. True, car is today the biggest man killer, but still apocalyptic speculations didn’t happen. My guess - when we invent flying cars, we will discipline ourselves, like we disciplined ourselves not to sacrifice children every time a lighting struck a house.
9) Cryogenic freezing - all true, but author does not take in account that we will maybe make colonies on other planets, so overpopulation will not be a problem.
7) Prediction of the future machine - it should not be invented since it is purely impossible to make it! The future is combination of ALL possible factors, no matter how small and insignificant. Just for example: Hitler assassination from Von Staufenberg. The placement of the bomb (just behind the table leg) SAVED Hitler, although all calculations showed that Hitler could not possibly survive the bomb blast so close to him.
6) Teleporters - I have no problem to be faxed.
First of all, if you have a problem that the teleported person will not be you, than you NOW have a very big problem. Unknown to big number of people, scientists discovered that ALL cells in your body die and regenerate in the same time. They even went so far to state that “A body on 31st of December is not the same body of that on 1st of January, although it is the same person”. In the process of that dying and regeneration, SOME cells do not regenerate, and that is, combined with free radicals from our environment who destroy cell structure, called AGING. So - since my body is never the same, I have no problem of “copy/delete” function, if it will save time, costs, environment, etc. About terrorist threat - isn’t that an American of start 21st century looking at technology, social status etc in - maybe - 22nd century? If I recall, there WAS NO TERRORISM in the beginning of 19th century? So, you CAN’T know if there will be terrorism in 22nd century.
5) Nanobots – That scenario applies only if you program the nanobots to self-replicate in eternity? If you are not working in a Hollywood studio, why would you do that? The aim of nanobots is to perform a certain helping function in a human body (patch up a blood vessel, clean fat, break the blood-plug to prevent infarctus miocardii etc), and not to entertain a doctors in self-replicating killing spree. This argument “Do not invent nanobots since they will kill the body and make grey-goo apocalyptic scenario” is similar to one “Do not invent scalpel, everybody will kill with scalpel”. We forget that nanobots are STILL a –BOTS, what means that we program them.
76. Baron Samedi - January 17th, 2008 at 6:47 am
4) Weather control – I doubt that we will have sufficient weather control systems before we colonize other planets. And then, we will not need these. And why is that I think that we will have flawed junk? Because, again, weather is not just “press the button, and a cloud pops out, and the rain starts”. There are such things as ATMOSPHERIC PRESSURE, that creates WINDS, who, in turn, bring CLOUDS over some area. And when there is ENOUGH clouds, the water particles combine, become heavier than air and fall down as rain. So, for a sufficient WCS, we have to have these pressure “lowerers/riserers” that are strategically spread through entire globe (since you can put pressure down in USA, pull winds and clouds and make rain, but if lower pressure is over Europe, sorry, the rain will fall in Atlantic, since there will be clashes). That in turns gives birth to COOPERATION between the states (“you rise pressure so we will drop it for a month, and then vice versa”) etc. And that means that no mean Iraq will have rain for themselves – cause it CAN’T!
3) Genetic engineering – I COMPLETELY AGREE, this should not be invented. BUT! FROM EVERYTHING author mentioned, this is NOT THE FUTURE, this is PRESENCE. We already mapped good portion of human genes. How large is the step between “knowing what is it for” and “using”? I see the natural rights and “all men are created equal in their rights” as something that should counter it by all means possible. ‘Couse this is not the future – this will be done even by 2020.
2) Holodecs – I used to think this was for a longer time, till I found out that there are people that use Internet – and go out! And have fun! And that there were unsociable people before the invention of Internet. I don’t know about you, but EVEN THIS ARTICLE – in which an author is making a statement of his attitudes, and comments below, where we reflect on it – is a FORM OF INTERACTION between living creatures. You all forget that in Holodeck you can kick Chuck Norris’ ass – but you cannot talk about beauty of a moon, how a movie tonight was great, how a great ass has your 20 year old neighbor… Again, do not forget – similar argument about “death of socialization” came rising in birth of computer and again internet. And guess what? Socialization is alive and well!
1) Replicators – If I am not mistaking, ending famine and diseases, as well as most of human problems, is a goal we all wait? I mean, look at RELIGION – they wait for a guy who will end famine, poverty and diseases, as well punish the wicked? In Xtianity, it is J.C. In Judaism, it is Meshiah. In islam, it is mahdi. So, the concept of having machine that will help people totally is VERY WELCOMED for me. BUT! Replicators will not bring an end to a sorrow because your wife is cheating on you. It will not bring an end because your child died in a crash. It will not bring joy when you see a birth of your first child. All things that plague us and rejoices us will still be here, life will still have color. You could replicate a Jenna-Jameson-like vagina for a momentary satisfaction, but you will not be able to replicate a caring and loving woman who will be here for you. And that is what, in end, counts…
Oh, yeah,. Reflect on something – you will have replicators. WHO WILL REPARE THEM? WHO WILL MAKE SPARE PARTS? WHO WILL INSTALL THEM? WHOSE SOFTWARE WILL BE ON IT? There WILL be work after creation of replicators. If for something, for a technology that would enable us to leave Earth, so overpopulation would not occur.
77. TerranRich - January 17th, 2008 at 8:05 am
#10: You don’t know what failsafes will be in place by the time flying cars are invented (which is a possibility - watch “2057″). As for sky traffic jams, there will undoubtedly be multiple layers of traffic, as well as road traffic still existing for short drive and other reasons. More layers means more cars being able to drive around, means less traffic jams and tie-ups. As for accidents, there could be built-in failsafes, or emergency failsafes in existence on land to prevent horrific fatalities like the ones described here.
#9: Overpopulation is a very valid point, and I agree, this would be a problem if it suddenly became a widespread fad or practice.
#8: I don’t see the problem with AI helping us in our everyday lives. Superior species? Sure, there are ways to make AI think for themselves, learn, adaps, etc. But having them turn on us maniacally is something saved for the movies.
#7: Again, I agree. Self-fulfilling prophecies are also a theme in some time-traveling movies/stories.
#6: Considering atomic teleportation (like that seen in Star Trek) is physically impossible, this isn’t an issue. There are quantum issues to deal with in regards to transporting atoms and molecules.
#5 was very vague. We are the Borg? I get the reference, but who’s saying we’ll be taken over by these nanobots? There would undoubtedly be programming to limit replication. The thing is, computers are perfect… the humans that program them are not.
#4: Hah, I agree with this one. Imagine a thunderstorm causing a state of emergency simply because rain came with it. RUN!
#3 is one I highly agree with. Genetic engineering should be outlawed immediately, like it is in the Star Trek universe. The good does not outweigh the bad by any means.
#2: I’d imagine that the programming of holodeck characters wouldn’t be perfect; users would know the difference and it just woudln’t be the same as reality. Sure, you could have sex with Marilyn Monroe… and it would only be a computer program, with stale responses and noticeable repititions. Sure, it would satisfy some people, but not enough to consume the entire world. I’m sure some would even be against their use and shun them completely.
#1: Replicators would NOT make work obselete, by any means. There’s still the service industry to consider. Assuming holograms and/or AI haven’t replaced humans in the service industry. But replicators along wouldn’t make work meaningless. There are people who work, not only to provide for their families, but because they have a need to work. There are people who work after retirement because they’re just bored and need something to do, and hobbies just don’t cut it. There’s also the entertainment industry. Basically, replicators would only make one type of work obsolete: production of goods and materials.
Bonus: What you’re describing only relates to one particular theory of time alteration. I subscribe to the theory that, if you go back in time and alter the past in any way, once you travel back in to the future, you’re traveling to the future of THAT timeline. If you kill your grandfather in the past and “return” to the future, you will find that nobody knows who you are. You created an alternate timeline where you never existed, and suddenly you’re out of place. There are no paradoxes with this theory.
78. JLo - January 17th, 2008 at 8:13 am
“Wrong. So let’s say, hypothetically speaking, that the US has a time viewing machine; this machine then predicts that China is going to attack Los Angeles. To prevent this from happening, the US issues a preemptive strike, thus starting a war in which China launches a missile headed straight for California. Thus becoming a self-fulfilling prophecy. This is true of any major man made catastrophe.”
IT’S IN REVELATIONS PEOPLE!!!
Sorry, couldn’t resist a Simpson’s connection.
79. Sidereus - January 17th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Well, I think most of these are quite plausible. The reasoning behind avoiding these technologies doesn’t quite convince me and will probably be no less than laughable when in the future these technologies actually exist. Of course they will have their problems, as all things do. That doesn’t mean they won’t still be hugely beneficial and worthwhile.
Flying cars will be used by the public someday, it’s more an issue of fuel efficiency. Cryogenic freezing is a useful technology, but I think it’s stupid to freeze people with the hope of thawing them out in the future. It’s not overpopulation that’s the problem since these frozen people would only be a tiny part of the exponentially expanding population. It’s that people of the future, assuming they DO have the technology to thaw safely, would have no motivation to do so.
AI will definitely play a major role in the future, though I don’t think we need to worry about machines “taking over.” After all, robots will be designed to perform specific tasks and those alone. Full out androids will be rare.
Prediction of the future? Well, we’ve already got meteorologists and the CIA. Of course people are always trying to know the future before it happens. This is one “technology” I don’t think will ever be perfected.
Teleportation devices have been in Sci-Fi for a very long time, but still no one has any idea how they might work aside from essentially killing someone and then piecing them together again. This method is obviously too dangerous to be used on humans. I suspect that teleportation will first be used on shipping material, and then later someone will come along and invent a human-safe version.
What’s wrong with nanobots? They wouldn’t “weigh you down.” If they replicated, it would be using materials available, not creating atoms out of nothing. Also, suppose they were programmed just like human cells to stop replicating at a certain point. I really don’t see the issue here and I hope exciting technologies like this go mainstream soon.
Weather control. Well, we destroy delicate ecosystems anyway, so that’s nothing new. And it’s silly not to build a facility because there’s a chance it can be taken over. By that logic, we would have no government, no airports, no gas stations, basically no organized civilization. I think weather control is within our reach and will someday make devastating hurricanes a thing of the past. Maybe we’ll also have a system to control tectonic plates and prevent earthquakes.
I’m not really sure about genetic engineering. There are definitely some issues here that will have to be resolved in the social and economic playing fields. I think the technology holds promise, though.
Holodecks… ok, I’m not sure about this one. I’m too blinded by this day’s concerns to be able to see the light of this in tomorrow.
Replicators that use a stock of blank material to create something useful are pretty cool, but imagine replicators that create things out of nothing, or at least not anything from this dimension. Now that would be awesome.
I sort of think that only forward time travel will be possible. If backward time travel will someday be possible, wouldn’t we already know?
80. Randall - January 17th, 2008 at 10:47 am
No offense, Mystern, but this has to be one of the most pointless lists I’ve seen on this site. Giving your personal opinion as to why some sci-fi technology shouldn’t be allowed to come to pass seems a bit… well… masturbatory to me.
Besides which, your arguments aren’t even that good, nor are they terribly logical. So even the entertainment level of this list is pretty low. Sorry.
Your argument against flying cars is similar to arguments that were raised when *ordinary* cars were first being built, for example.
You may deny being anti-technological—but this entire lists smacks of it. And being anti-technology is such a waste of one’s personal energy–it’s rather childish, really. Future technologies will come if there’s a demand for them, and if they can be made to work. What’s really wrong with flying cars, for instance, is that in the context of current technology, they really would simply be personal airplanes. And if we could all have our own personal airplane, the number of accidents and collisions and resulting deaths would skyrocket. Making harsh rules and laws for flight wouldn’t be the answer. The answer would be developing technology that takes “flight” out of the hands of the pilot/driver and makes it entirely automatic. And we’re nowhere near that sort of computer-capability as yet–we don’t even have it for the road, let alone the sky. But surely that capability has to come first, before we take millions of currently accident-prone individual drivers and give them carte blanche access to the heavens.
Few of your other points seem valid to me; rather it seems like you were reaching for things to react to. Again, there’s a great lack of logic in most of it.
Try again.
81. Mom424 - January 17th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Baron Samedi,,,well thought out and intelligent comments,very optimistic, good job.
But you forgot one point…if there is a possible way for humanity to f*@! something up they will. Maybe humanity is too broad, Bureaucracy and self interest will insure that there is terrorism for the foreseeable future. Until there is either a concerted effort to truly share the wealth or the evolution of man insures it (personally I believe this is what will happen, as education levels increase globally and birth control becomes more wide spread, standards of living will even out), there will be have and have-not societies; therefore terrorism….It’s hard to justify being a suicide bomber if you’re trying to save enough money to take the family on vacation to Disneyland.
ps: your English is very good
82. Mom424 - January 17th, 2008 at 11:14 am
Mystern; I believe that there is a physical consequence to genetic engineering as well as a social one. Any decrease in the genetic diversity of a species if of concern. Us included. Its been recently discovered in other species that redundant or seemingly harmful genetic combinations are actually a benefit in certain environmental situations, and actually insured the survival of that species during environmental upheaval. Curing genetic disease is admirable and necessary, but start screening for other attributes and we will soon become very homogenized. That is truly scary.
83. King of the Horizon - January 17th, 2008 at 11:18 am
i disagree with baron samedi on one point.you will never ever be able to kick chuck norris’ ass period.
84. Rocky - January 17th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Mystern, you can say “see comment 13″ all you want, but that doesn’t explain why you didn’t even bother to cite the source you took the list from.
As for time travel the reason it is impossible and not just plausible for the future is that in order to travel through time one would have travel faster than the speed of light and that is something that man will never do. Nothing can travel faster than the speed of light, we have approached the speed of light yes, but going faster than it, no. The same principle is why we will never have “warp speed”.
85. JUSTINW - January 17th, 2008 at 12:15 pm
It’s pretty sad that you nerds flock to this stale site just to chat in the comments. Go to fark or somewhere jeeze.
BTW, if you have enough$ to go on a month long vacation you should have someone updating your site. Period. Plus, you are still taking time to respond to comments and update us on your vacation… yet the site sits.
Stealing cracked’s list is just dumb.
86. evan - January 17th, 2008 at 12:26 pm
lol your pathetic justin. why are you still here?
87. Ashyja - January 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
To be honest, there’s one more thing from SciFi movies that I’d fear: Changing or enhancing parts of your body with bionic things. I guess everyone would like to have an enhanced brain, being able to make huge mathematical calculations in less than a second, accessing information at a mere thought… this would even remove the problems with genetic enhancements or flying cars. Who needs better genes, if you can improve yourself with something that’s a thousand times better than any gene could provide you with. And “driving” a flying car would be absolutely easy if you are connected to sensors at the car and are able to react to them without the need of any time loss due to muscles, for example.
And now… think about viruses, for example. Viruses in your brain, to be more exact…
Not a nice thought, to be honest.
88. Epex - January 17th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Okay I completely disagree with everything here…..
89. SlickWilly - January 17th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
On time travel: 2 words…..”John Titor”
An elaborate hoax, yes, but very engaging and vastly entertaining. And whoever this Titor guy really is, he has some ver intriguing things to say about the nature of time travel.
90. Du - January 17th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
isnt time travel technically possible?
as long as you travel at a speed that is faster than the speed of light, theoretically, you would no longer be traveling in an XYZ dimention, but rather, WXYZ, where W is a measurement of time?
now, it has already become a general consensus in the scientific community that attaining a speed that is at, or faster, than the speed of light would require an infinite amount of energy, which is currently impossible for the human race at the moment.
Now, traveling into the future is a completely different concept. it involves the idea of time dilation. It IS indeed possible to travel in space, away from earth, and have time slow down in your frame of refrence, so when you return back to earth, the time on earth would have extended beyond the amount of time that you have experienced.
yea im really bored, dont mind me xD
91. Avi - January 17th, 2008 at 5:08 pm
I would love a Holodeck! who cares if the world is ending, as long as i have my asian harem i couldn’t care less.
92. avi - January 17th, 2008 at 5:57 pm
i didn’t write comment 91!
93. excogitate - January 17th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Don’t walk to the end of the Earth. You might fall off. It’s flat, remember?
94. Ben Heitzman - January 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Time travel is hypothetically more possible than teleportation.
95. Mom424 - January 17th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
du, slickwilly, and all you time travel geeks,,,take a look at the link I posted earlier in the comments,,,,answers the time travel question
backwards = no
forwards = big maybe
96. Rourke - January 17th, 2008 at 9:56 pm
I disagree about nanobots and genetic engineering. First, with nanobots: the danger of “gray goo” isn’t likely at all, because it takes A LOT of energy to break things down into their chemical components, but (assuming that nanobots derive their energy from the ambient environment) most of the energy the nanobots acquire from the environment will be spent on powering their systems, meaning that not a lot of energy is left, meaning further that a given nanobot takes more work to manipulate molecules, which basically means that (in my prediction) nanobots would work too slowly for the world to be covered in “gray goo” before people could just shut off the nanobots.
And as for genetic engineering–yes, the possibility of social discrimination based on genetics definitely needs to be taken into account if we assume that convenient genetic engineering will eventually be possible. But are we sure that the kind of discrimination that’s depicted in GATTACA will necessarily be that extreme? I mean, it’ll be a social issue to deal with, but does that mean that the technology has to be abandoned simply because of that?
And last but not least–only nanotech, cryogenics and genetic engineering have the slightest chance of ever occurring. Time travel, weather control, teleportation, all those other technologies involve breaking one or more physical laws. If we ever succeed at breaking someone down into individual atoms and then send them somewhere…we’ll probably end up killing the guy who volunteered. If anything, there’ll probably be just a pile of fine subatomic ash where his body should be, because the ability to reconstruct every atom of a given body involves the power to identify the locations of every single atom, and that’s impossible according to quantum physics.
97. Rourke - January 17th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Well, actually, I forgot about the holodecks–those are technically possible. But I agree that such technology would be bad.
98. Rourke - January 17th, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Dang, I forgot about AI–my dad and brother are programmers, so I know from personal experience and many conversations that “strong AI” is nothing but a myth. Fundamentally, computers lack volition. Computers can be made to do very smart things–and even, perhaps, have the appearance of “intelligence”–but it’s impossible for a computer to *want*, to have desires, unless you program a computer to. So a crazy scientist might *tell* a bunch of robots to go conquer the world, but a computer will never, ever, ever just spontaneously decide to on its own. A computer is nothing but programming and the hardware that allows it to run.
99. 20Fan20 - January 17th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Actually we (Germans I think or maybe it was in Germany) have succeeded in teleporation. They teleported 1 atom across some river between two dectors. It was based on entanglement and the atoms spin. This was not the first time this was done just the farthest distance. Pretty crazy that they could do it with even 1 atom. If you want more details please google away or send me a ton of money so I can change to a physics major!
100. 20Fan20 - January 17th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
avi: I wonder why we are not required to use unique names. I can see duplicate names becoming a problems some day.
Of course it is most likely my duplicate from the future doing it!
101. Smiles - January 18th, 2008 at 12:25 am
If you don’t think AI would be good, go read some Asimov stories. Seriously.
Prediction of future - impossible… chaotic functions and suchlike.
Teleportation - someone above explained why it would be so impossible pretty well.
Nanobots - materials don’t just come from nowhere. Did you know that one red blood cell can turn in to two red blood cells. Ever notice how the world isn’t covered in red blood cells? Yeah, kinda like that.
Weather control - yeah, there would have to be some people to make sure we weren’t idiots about that. But we probably would be idiots about it. People are idiots en masse.
Genetic Engineering - Gattica is a very good movie. I honestly can’t decide for myself whether it would be good or bad. There are many pros and cons. I’m inclined to say it is good because I believe in scientific progress.
Holodecks - Some people would get addicted, some wouldn’t. They would be like very expensive, very good video games and porn combos.
Replicators - you can’t make something out of nothing. You would need gold molecules to make gold. Gold molecules are expensive. They would just be a decent assembly technique, taking a bunch of assorted materials and making a finished product. Probably a pretty decent thing, but unlikely to set up something too complicated.
All the others I don’t really care about.
102. suzi - January 18th, 2008 at 1:35 am
I think this is an excellent list for inspiring comments.
I disagree with the conclusion drawn by the writer at least 50% of the time. The reasons given for considering the inventions to be undesirable are very one sided and simplistic. There have been some good points made above.
Bottom line, most of this is just supernatural speculation, which is a joy to debate and intellectually stimulating, but not viable in the real world.
103. Shabab - January 18th, 2008 at 4:48 am
weak list…..this was on cracked.com as Harsha points out…you should atleast mention on the list somewhere that u got parts of it from cracked.com….cant wait for Jamie to return so the daily addition of quality lists resumes….
104. Shabab - January 18th, 2008 at 4:58 am
PS: i did see comment 13….its just that u didnt point that out urself….someone else did….shame shame…
105. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 7:11 am
Wow, cool comments guys. I was sick yesterday so I wasn’t able to respond to any of them (sorry) so here’s a few general points.
For all those arguing for the creation/possibility of these technologies, this list was simply to point out some of the dangers. I personally would love to see most of these come to fruition. I kind of agree that humanity in general creates things before extensive thought into the subject. That’s why we have most of the technology we currently have. Humanity has generally decided to deal with the consequences as they come up, which is fine. Perhaps I’ll write another list as to why these things should be created.
On the subject of time travel. There are tons of valid points here. Thanks. Time viewing though could be possible considering the curvature of space. Check out the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape_of_the_Universe
On the note of certain technologies destroying society: Society will survive no matter what. The question is in what form? Perhaps it would be a good thing to destroy society as we know it.
In response to a few specific comments:
Ashyja: I seriously considered placing Bionics on this list but it lost out to Genetic Engineering.
Randall: Let’s, you and I, not get into another philosophical debate here. I personally think that humanity needs another great war. Reason being, all great technological jumps have come about due to adversity. We need better technology, that’s true.
Smiles: I love Asimov. But even he goes into some of the dangers of AI in a few of his books.
106. JUSTINW - January 18th, 2008 at 9:05 am
WOW THIS SITE HASN’T BEEN UPDATED, WHO’DA GUESSED!???!! IF A WEBSITE IS GOING TO BE YOUR JOB, DO IT.
107. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 9:07 am
Justin: Hey guess what? This isn’t JFrater’s job. It’s just a side project. If you don’t like it, leave.
108. Randall - January 18th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Mystern:
When have you and I *got* into a philosophical debate before? Refresh my memory, because I don’t recall.
As for your statement about how humanity “needs” another great war–first of all, you’re joking right? You’re not serious.
And second of all, what does that have to do with what I said?
Thirdly, if you’re trying to make the point that we get greater technological leaps out of war–sorry, pal, but wrong again. This is a sophomoric historical fantasy that a lot of people weave. *Military* technology often advances from wartime, but those technologies rarely then crossover into practical uses in ordinary life. The technological advancements of the 20th century, up to today, have come far more from peaceful, market-driven sources.
“Great” wars do no one *any* good, Mystern. They’re horrid, godawful tragedies and are to be avoided at all costs.
I can sense the argument you or someone else might make about this… so let’s dispense with it forthwith: The technological advancements of the Second World War can be said to have brought us A) atomic power, which, however, was used for destruction and has threatened us ever since with obliteration… yes, we get energy from it as well, but not the greatest tradeoff in human history…and to negate the argument, it’s certainly true that in time atomic power would have been developed anyway, since experimentation was underway with it in the 20s and 30s. B) jet engines for aircraft–admittedly a boon to travel, but again, the technology would have been developed in due course anyway–it was already being experimented with in various countries, well before the war— C) Radar–admittedly another boon, but also, again, something that would have been developed in time, regardless of the war. It was a natural consequence of radio/electronic experimentation that was being pursued well before the war.
The war sped the development of these things a bit. But hardly by leaps and bounds.
Some might try to argue that because the British constructed the world’s first computer (Colossus) to help break German codes, we therefore owe modern computers to the war. Bullshit. Colossus was a completely secret project and was never exploited publicly and later all copies of the machine were destroyed. The technology, as a result, did not issue from the development of Colossus. The “birth” of computer technology remains the American ENIAC, built well after the war… even though the Brits did it first.
WWII in fact put a number of advancements in technology on hold. Television, for example, was well on its way to fruition in the 30s and had the war not come along and stunted it, we would have probably had TV in the early 40s, instead of nearly 10 years later.
The argument that war brings leaps in technology is, sorry to say, one that falls flat. It can bring leaps mainly in the technology that allows us to kill each other more efficiently. That’s about it.
The great bulk of technological advancements in modern history have come from people wanting something and science and the market then providing it.
109. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 9:39 am
lol @ Justin
Whatever.
110. Randall - January 18th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Justinw:
So…. I take it we won’t be hearing from you again, here? That’s good. Whatever bug is up your ass about this site, it’s nice to know you’ll be taking it with you, where it’ll continue to eat you up. Sounds like you deserve it, pinhead.
111. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 9:45 am
Randall: Okay. You win. I don’t feel like getting into it. As for the debate you and I got into, sorry, I was wrong I was confusing you with someone else. You participated in the conversation but I wasn’t debating with you.
Also, nice comment to justinw
112. Randall - January 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am
Mystern: oh yay, I win. So easy when they just roll over and pretend to play dead.
As for justinw, he’s clearly an idiot. Thanks for the compliment, though. It’s one thing when people have something to say… even if what they say is mostly retarded. But when people just pop on to a site in order to badmouth the site itself–I mean, that’s just bizarre. Some life needs to be gotten there, I think.
113. Blogball - January 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
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114. SocialButterfly - January 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
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115. Dan - January 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am
One of the best lists I’ve read. I agree with all of them. Any chance of a part 2 or top 10 sci fi inventions that should be invented?
116. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
Dan: JF suggested that as a topic and if he doesn’t write it I will.
117. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 11:20 am
lol @ Blogball
118. Mom424 - January 18th, 2008 at 11:41 am
blogball; ha ha ha good one
justinw; obviously holidays infuriate you, your need to shout and bitch shows that. Cracked.com is a purely commercial site, with publishers etc,,not just one guy and a few buddies….
And this site is way better than cracked,,,lots of mistakes on cracked, very few here and its 1 guy,,,
grow up
119. SlickWilly - January 18th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
To Randall:
I think your argument might be a little exaggerated. It sounds like you were incensed at the suggestion of war being a boon of technology, and were lashing out at what you perceived was someone complimenting war.
The fact of the matter is, corporations love war, because they get huge, and I mean HUGE r&d grants from the defense budget to develop technology. It is first developed for military use, but corporations arn’t stupid. If a new technology comes along thanks to war spending, they WILL exploit it in the commercial market. No question. Corporations love nothing but money and they will adapt and exploit any new technology that people are willing to pay for.
There are quite a bit more technological developments that came from WWII then you list there; you have to admit that your list is oversimplified. I’m not saying war is good by any stretch of the imagination, but to say that the government spends money in the private sector to develop technology and the private sector will not explore that technology with their own budget to adapt it to commercial use is just naive.
120. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
Yeah Randall, what he said.
121. copperdragon - January 18th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
here’s a couple i was expecting to see:
Interstellar travel: basically flying cars taken to the next step. i know we have the shuttle, etc. but i’m talking millenium falcon travel. sci-fi uses it all the time as a fact that civilizations on different planets across a galaxy or universe ALL developed space travel at roughly the same time.
How soon in real-life? as soon as someone invents a cheaper way to escape earth’s gravity. propulsion in space is as easy as letting air out of a balloon.
Laser swords/guns: Lasers exist now, but how soon till we can shoot a short laser pulse rapidly? or limit its length into a solid, viewable stick? hopefully soon, but they would probably face the same weapons-restriction laws we have now…only worse.
122. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
Copperdragon: Wait, you want to see those on the list of things that should not be invented? I was thinking those things might be on the list of things that should be invented.
123. copperdragon - January 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
mystern: i was just hoping they’d be on the list for discussion. personally, i’m in favor of space travel (lets see whats out there), but not laser weapons (you think gangs are a problem NOW.)
124. Mystern - January 18th, 2008 at 2:16 pm
Copperdragon: Ah. Well I’ll write a follow up list over the weekend and be sure to include them on the list. Thanks.
125. SubliminalDeath666 - January 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
Wow I thought comments were supposed to COMMENT the list and are supposed to be a SHORT sentence. I find it amazing yet really stupid when people spam info from wikipedia. Idiots.
126. copperdragon - January 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
i know i indicated that i hope laser weapons would happen soon. i’m changing my mind.
here’s why i think laser weapons would be bad…
imagine an easily concealed knife with a 3 foot blade thats as hot as the sun. by Sony.
Or
a sawed-off shotgun sized pistol that shoots 2-foot long hi-energy sun-hot plasma blasts. unlike in the movies, the beam would not stop because it hit a piece of metal or plastic. it would go right through, and through what was behind it, and behind it, until it ran out of energy. by Glock.
127. copperdragon - January 18th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
SD666: anyone in particular? or are you just jealous someone else might have beat you to it.
128. mistere - January 18th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
The plagerism on this site has gotten so out of control. Like others have mentioned, this is the exact same list on cracked.com. If you copy a list from another website at least cite the source where you’ve taken it from.
129. Randall - January 18th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
SlickWilly:
Name me three… JUST THREE technological advancements that came out of WWII that wouldn’t have come out within 10 years of 1940 *anyway.*
That’s the point I was making—it isn’t that war doesn’t sometimes bring advancements—but it’s influence on technology is way over-exaggerated.
Almost all of the technologies brought to us out of WWII were in fact already in development *before* the war, and would have been achieved, no doubt, by 1950, if not earlier, anyway. I invite you to refute this with at least three examples.
130. SubliminalDeath666 - January 18th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
copperfaggot: Dude, I type on what I feel or think about the list, that is my definition of a comment, ok?
I don’t do this:
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P.S. Why would I be jealous of some idiot spamming the comments with their worthless information!? Dumbass.
131. avi - January 18th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
excogitate:what?
132. SubliminalDeath666 - January 18th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
He’s making fun of Sherri Sheperd who made a stupid mistake of not knowing whether the Earth is flat or not. If you ask me she probably still doesn’t know! lol! How can you not know if the Earth is flat or not!?
133. StewWriter - January 18th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
Anyone else thinking this is getting entirely too far out of control?
134. NoName - January 18th, 2008 at 4:44 pm
StewWriter: Absolutely…how about people just keeping their gobs shut if they haven’t anything constructive to say!
135. Blogball - January 18th, 2008 at 5:05 pm
Kind of reminds me when I was in 4th grade and we had a substitute teacher for a month.
Actually I take that back the 4th graders acted more mature than what I see here.
136. StewWriter - January 18th, 2008 at 5:20 pm
NoName + Blogball: You guys are so far on the money with this mess I must commend you on your collective genius. Look guys -everyone here- Jamie was away, we all understand that. Everyone needs and deserves a vacation and none as much as Jamie who has, more or less for the most part, been running this sight on his own. Sure, he relies on the kindness and submissions from users and viewers, me being one who has done many, but he still has to go over each and every list, convert it to the code he uses for this site, and post it: it TAKES TIME. All you guys need is some patience and some understanding and to all just take a collective breath and ease up on the poor guy. He’ll be back in a matter of days and things will return to normal. Yes, for a few days things haven’t updated here, and there may have been a better way to handle things in his absence, but he chose his own way and we all, as readers, need to respect that. In my humble opinion, if those of you who insist on bitching and clogging up the comments with your shitty attitudes can’t find a more constructive place to vent your issues, you need to turn off your computers and find something else to do. If one list irritates you, find another that doesn’t and move on with it. Okay, I feel marginally better. Now let’s just chill and be a Listverse Family once again. I feel like i just ended a Brady Bunch Episode… criminy!
137. Stormy617 - January 18th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
One of the things that I have enjoyed over the past month or so since I found this site is the interaction between Jamie and the members/commenters on this site. That is the great thing that sets this one apart from other sites. This is in fact the first and only place I have ever commented on. I don’t understand why people can’t be a little more understanding and let the man enjoy his holiday with his family without complaining that they are not being entertained enough.
138. Daniel - January 18th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Wow, so JF is away for personal vacation and he’ll come back to this mess…
Anyway, about the list;
My first thoughts were, “Haven’t I seen a similar list somewhere else?” and when I saw the comment about Cracked I remembered. I do like how Mystern fleshed out what Cracked created as purely humor/entertainment into a thoughtful (yet sometimes disagreeable
) list.
Ever since I saw Back to the Future, I dreamed of having my very own hoverboard! Make sure that’s on the list of things that should be invented!
139. ben - January 19th, 2008 at 1:09 am
I apologize if someones said this before me, i skipped ahead. First, the idea of nanorobots really isn’t an end-of-the-world armageddon after all, because chances are by the time we get nanobots to the point where they can be used we will have means of programming or simply preventing them from multiplying. The nonobots would probably work much the same way our cells work. If you left bacteria in a perfect environment with food and absolutely positively no predators, that bacteria could take over the earth easily. But thats never happened, has it? As for the idea of timetravel, dismissing it as irrational based on physics is also wrong. Theres a theory, don’t remember its name, saying the universe we live in is one of countless alternate ones. Every decision ever posed to every person, ever, creates a new branch of an alternate world. Time travel could exist, just not in the branch of the dimensions we live in. That said, it is a far out idea. Finally ill take a poke at someone who said teleportation couldnt exist. Well, we