Following the popularity of our historical misconceptions, we offer you another list – top 10 common misconceptions. Feel free to add your own in the comments.
10. Napoleon was unusually short
Much of the reason for the rumours that Napoleon was a short man (and thus had to compensate by invading countries and becoming ruler of Europe) comes from the confusion between old French feet and Imperial (British) feet. Measured shortly after his death in 1821, Napoleon was recorded at 5ft 2in in French feet, which corresponds to 5ft 6.5in in Imperial feet, or 1.69m. This makes him slightly taller than the average Frenchman of the 19th century. Napoleon’s nickname of ‘le petit caporal’ has also perpetuated the rumour, with non-francophones interpreting ‘petit’ to refer to his height, when it was actually a term of affection referring to his camaraderie with ordinary soldiers.
9. Danish Pastries come from Denmark
Arguably the world’s most misleadingly named food, Danish pastries actually originated in Austria, inspired by Turkish baklava. Their name comes from Danish chef L.C. Klitteng who popularized them in Western Europe and the United States in the early 20th century, including baking it for the wedding of US President Woodrow Wilson in 1915. In Denmark and much of Scandinavia, Danish pastries are called ‘Viennese Bread.’
During the Islamic cartoon controversy of 2006, Danish pastries were renamed ‘Roses of the Prophet Muhammad’ in Iran, due to its association with the offending country.
8. Meteorites are hot when they hit Earth
We’ve all seen the cartoons where a meteor falls to Earth (at which point it becomes a meteorite) with a red-hot tinge and smoke blowing off it in all directions. In truth, small meteorites are cold when they hit Earth – in fact many are found with frost on them. A meteorite has been in the near–absolute zero temperature of space for billions of years, so the interior of it is very cold. A meteor’s great speed is enough to melt its outside layer, but any molten material will be quickly blown off, and the interior of the meteor does not have time to heat up because rocks are poor conductors of heat. Also, atmospheric drag can slow small meteors to terminal velocity by the time they hit the ground, giving them time to cool down.
7. Water spins in different directions
Another bane of cartoons. Toilet water does NOT spin in a given direction due to being in a particular hemisphere of the Earth. That phenomenon only occurs in weather patterns of hundreds of miles in size like hurricanes, due to the rotation of the Earth. So there.
6. Bats are blind
A common misconception perpetuated by its use in metaphors and similes (see also 5), bats actually have fairly normal eyesight, although they are very photosensitive and often dazzled by excessive light. However, bats do often use echolocation in situations where their eyesight fails them, such as times of darkness.
5. Chameleons change colour to match their surroundings
An interesting and fun idea, sure, but simply not true. While chameleons can be perceived to change their colour to match their background, a chameleon’s colour change is actually the expression of the physical and physiological condition of the lizard. Chameleon’s are already naturally camouflaged to match their surroundings, and change their colours depending on their mood, and sometimes a sign of communication. A chameleon that is frightened, for example, will turn black.
4. A duck’s quack doesn’t echo
Sounds ludicrous right? Well this rumour somehow worked up a cult following on the Internet who protested its factuality with an almost religious fervour. It got to the point that a respected scientist actually decided to take valuable time out of his day, when he could be curing cancer or something else unimportant, to test this theory. Trevor Cox, of the University of Salford, England, confirmed what all us logical people knew all along – a duck’s quack DOES echo.
He placed a duck in a reverberation chamber and tested its quack. Sure enough he concluded that a duck’s quack does echo, though the sound that comes back is very soft due to the fading nature of the actual quack. Hooray for science.
3. Hitler was an atheist
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.”
– Adolf Hitler, Berlin, 1933
Christianity – a religion of peace and tolerance that preaches moral values and love for one’s enemies. Well clearly, from a historical perspective, this has certainly not always been the case, although it’s not so much the religion’s fault as the people who attempt to follow it. With over a billion worldwide adherents, is it really probable that everyone who considers themselves a Christian is a pious, holy and moral human being?
One of the most damning criticisms of Hitler and of atheism in general is that Hitler, as an atheist had no morals and thus could kill freely without care or feeling. Well Hitler was certainly not an atheist; he was born a Roman Catholic, although how religious he actually was is debatable. It is clear though that Hitler was an evil man, and that his religion was irrelevant to his malevolent personality.
In Mein Kampf, Hitler wrote fondly of his experiences in Church festivals, and as leader of the Nazi party made many references to the glory of Christianity in his speeches. Including making references to Jesus’ death at the hand of the Jews in an attempt to rile up anti-Semitic sentiment in his mostly religious audiences. He adopted many aspects of Catholic hierarchy, liturgy and symbolism, though he was very critical of Catholicism in private. In fact, Hitler favoured Protestantism, due to it being open to interpretation. He also ridiculed occultism and neo-Paganism that was relatively popular in Germany at the time.
Strangely enough, Hitler greatly admired the Muslim faith and tradition saying, “the Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”
2. Humans evolved from monkeys
One of the most common misconceptions about Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection is that Darwin claimed we evolved from chimpanzees. Darwin never actually said this, nor will any respectable biologist. This myth was actually spread by religious zealots during the 19th century in order to try and discredit Darwin and promote anti-evolutionism among the religious. Humans and chimpanzees are actually cousins (we share about 94% of our DNA with them) and both evolved from a common ancestor, thought to be Sahelanthropus tchadensis, around 7 million years ago.
1. “Just Desserts”
‘Just desserts’? Does that even make sense in context? The correct phrase is actually ‘just deserts’, and don’t worry if you didn’t know that because you’re not alone, and the chances are that someone much more intelligent than you didn’t know it either. The reason for this misunderstanding comes from the rarely used noun form of the verb ‘to deserve’; something which is deserved is a ‘desert’ (pronounced dessert). It’s hard to tell when the usurpation of the original word was made, but it probably had something to do with witty restaurateurs naming their businesses ‘Just Desserts’ as a pun, and the phrase catching on as the original is forgotten.
Contributor: JT























December 1st, 2007 at 4:15 am
I laugh when people say this then I point out that yes Hitler wasn’t religious in the usual sense of the word, but he not only persecuted Jews, Roms, and homosexuals, and others, but also the communists in Germany because he called them atheistic. Like Eisenhower did when he put “In God We Trust” on US currency.
No matter how tall Napoleon was he was still a little pipsqueak (that’s what my history prof called him).
December 1st, 2007 at 4:23 am
We actually share 91% of our DNA with the lettuce.
Wooh! I’m the same height as Napoleon!! xD (Taller than the average Frenchman =B)
December 1st, 2007 at 5:44 am
is it just me, but I got a bit confused by the different letter types…
anyway nice list
December 1st, 2007 at 6:27 am
well, the Napoleon one it also didnt help his guards he had with him all the time were over 6 ft um… over 182.88 cm for you metric folks, which was a tall for that era, remember folks washington was a tall man being at 6 ft, and so what edward longshanks, and i do believe attila the hun
December 1st, 2007 at 6:55 am
Incidentally, isn’t number 7 called the Coreolis Effect? There was a whole Simpsons episode dedicated to it, too! Cool list by the way!
December 1st, 2007 at 7:04 am
Is the text larger at the bottom of the page to anyone else? Oh yeah Nice list.
December 1st, 2007 at 7:45 am
Yeah the Font size increases after #6…. I thougt he was just being very passionate about this list. XD
December 1st, 2007 at 8:35 am
the changes in appearance are not from the format of the list…something about how the page is loading. i suspect its more a WordPress glitch than entry format. thankfully temporary..as it looks fine to me now.
December 1st, 2007 at 8:56 am
sorry about the font bug. It Is fixed now
out shopping – back soon
December 1st, 2007 at 9:02 am
Yeah im gonna disagree with #7 as stevewriter said, its known as the Coreolis effect, it may not affect toilets but it doesn’t only happen to weather systems miles in diameter.
You can to test on both sides of the equater with a matchstick and bowl of water
December 1st, 2007 at 9:06 am
From wikipedia.
“The Coriolis effect is the apparent deflection of moving objects from a straight path when they are viewed from a rotating frame of reference.”
“Contrary to popular belief, the Coriolis effect is not the determining factor in the rotation of water in toilets or bathtubs (see the Draining bathtubs and toilets section below).”
“Draining in bathtubs and toilets
A misconception in popular culture is that the Coriolis effect determines the direction in which bathtubs or toilets drain, such that water always drains in one direction in the Northern Hemisphere, and in the other direction in the Southern Hemisphere. This urban legend has been perpetuated by several television programs, including an episode of The Simpsons and The X-Files.[1] In addition, several science broadcasts and publications (including at least one college-level physics textbook) have made this incorrect statement.[2]
Many people who misunderstand the Coriolis effect compound their misunderstanding by claiming that drain water spins clockwise north of the equator and counterclockwise south of it, which is reversed from direction of spin that would result from the Coriolis force if it were a determining factor. In addition, the Coriolis effect is a few orders of magnitude smaller than various random influences on drain direction, such as the geometry of the sink, toilet, or tub, and the direction in which water was initially added to it. For example, consider a bathtub where draining creates a water level difference of 3 cm over 60 cm, giving a pressure gradient of 500 N/m3. Now assume the water is draining at a speed of 50 cm/s. At a latitude of 45 degrees, this would give rise to a Coriolis force of 0.05 N/m3, or only 0.01% of the pressure gradient. Most toilets flush in only one direction, because the toilet water flows into the bowl at an angle[3]. If water shot into the basin from the opposite direction, the water would spin in the opposite direction[4].
When the water is being drawn towards the drain, the radius with which it is spinning around it decreases, so its rate of rotation increases from the low background level to a noticeable spin in order to conserve its angular momentum (the same effect as ice skaters bringing their arms in to cause them to spin faster). As shown by Ascher Shapiro in a 1961 educational video (Vorticity, Part 1), this effect can indeed reveal the influence of the Coriolis force on drain direction, but only under carefully controlled laboratory conditions. In a large, circular, symmetrical container (ideally over 1m in diameter and conical), still water (whose motion is so little that over the course of a day, displacements are small compared to the size of the container) escaping through a very small hole, will drain in a cyclonic fashion: counterclockwise in the Northern hemisphere and clockwise in the Southern hemisphere—the same direction as the Earth rotates with respect to the corresponding pole.
[edit] Coriolis in meteorolog”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coreolis_effect
December 1st, 2007 at 9:17 am
#9 Roses of the Prophet Muhammed makes me laugh, like stupid Freedom Fries in the US. I visited a friend in Belgium and he laughed at me when I asked if there was really such a thing as Belgian waffles. However, what they really are is still very different than what you get at IHOP. And Chinese takeout in the US is not really Chinese food.
December 1st, 2007 at 9:59 am
Great list, JT. Threw in some things I didn’t know (not a huge feat, mind you).
December 1st, 2007 at 10:14 am
just for my own peace of mind –
People in the US are aware that Chinese take out is not authentic Chinese cuisine, just as we know Belgian waffles are not the same kind of waffles you’d get in Belgium.
Also nobody called them Freedom Fries unless they were making fun of the idiot Congressmen who “declared” the name change. At least nobody I know.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:29 am
I have to clarify a couple things. On #6 certainly species of bats are very nearly blind and use echo location as thier primary sight. Just so, so too are some species purely daytime bats with perfect sight. Not all bats have echo location. #5 same as #6. Certain chameleons use it for communication, whether with each other or to indicate emotion. But other species do use it to hide. Go to Florida and have some fun with them down there. Put one on a red carpet, it will turn red. Put it on a brown carpet, it will turn brown, and so forth. And lastly, for #2. Using the word “are” in the statement indicates fact. There is still unto this day no concrete evidence that evolution exists. Both the origins of man and the age of the Earth are highly debated subjects in every field of science. You may believe what you wish, but please don’t state something as a factual thing when you’re only going with what you believe. You lose credability when you do that.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:36 am
Couldn’t we test the toliet bowl idea by just having someone down south flush and someone up north flush!
December 1st, 2007 at 10:40 am
poptart: Many, many people in the US do not, in fact, know that Chinese take out is not “authentic Chinese cuisine” and are horrified when they finally take that trip to China and can’t get their General Tso’s Chicken. And I really did not know what authentic Belgian waffles were until I traveled there. Unless I am the one great idiot in this country (which I very highly doubt) then I expect I am in good company with that one as well.
Also, I personally saw the name Freedom Fries on quite a few restaurant menus.
Obviously, the US is very large, and not everyone in it knows the same things. You are clearly surrounded by culturally astute people who probably are also aware that Taco Bell is not authentic Mexican food, either. I have lived in several parts of the country, and am continually surprised by what people do and do not know.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:40 am
I dont get number one. I’ve never heard that expression in my life.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:47 am
All I was doing in number 2 was trying to dispell the myth that scientists believe that humans evolved from monkeys. As for the process of evolution, that is a scientific fact accepted by all respected scientists in the field. ‘Evolution’ too is a vague word here. There is overhwhelming evidence for microevolution, and the evidence for macroevolution too is very strong, more so than any other theory out there. Evolution is definitely the widely accepted scientific consesus for how humasn developed.
As for no 6, there are no blind bats, all have at least passable eyesight, and as far as I know, all bats have echolocation.
For chameleons, I’m afraid I have never seen one outside of a zoo, so all I had to go by was my research which found that chameleons do not change colour purposefully to match their surroundings.
http://www.newscientist.com/backpage.ns?id=lw400
http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/content/questions/question/983/
December 1st, 2007 at 10:47 am
Gravy: Its commonly used as an expression to say that people will always get what’s coming to them “He’ll get his just deserts.”
December 1st, 2007 at 10:55 am
Is the font problem fixed for everyone now? Luckily I was able to edit the list while I was out shopping – thanks to my trusty iPhone!
Okay – I just posted this comment so everyone would know I have an iPhone – I am lame.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:59 am
jfrater: You are too funny. I don’t have an iPhone. Now everyone knows how uncool I am.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:59 am
Yep! looks good now, thanks Jamie!
Your not lame for havng an iphone, just a conformer lol
December 1st, 2007 at 11:19 am
I don’t know. Being raised Catholic, admiring aspects of the church, using Jesus’ death as a rallying cry, and being against the occult do not necessarily make you not an atheist. I have found the most outspoken atheists, or humanists, or whatever they are called, were raised in piety and continue to admire certain aspects of the faith they abandoned.
December 1st, 2007 at 11:20 am
I think the iphones are ugly and bulky and not worth hundreds of dollars.
December 1st, 2007 at 11:26 am
#2 contradicts itself. In the title it says monkeys, and in the paragraph it says chimpanzees. Chimpanzees are apes.
December 1st, 2007 at 11:34 am
well. either way both are misconceptions we didnt come from chimps god put us here at the same time…jk, we evolved along side them
December 1st, 2007 at 11:37 am
I see a religois debate in the works on this thread
December 1st, 2007 at 12:00 pm
oh well if it comes it comes.. ive even managed to convince my friend into believing evolution and hes the biggest christian i know
December 1st, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Jfrater: After realizing the awesomeness that is your ability to update the site anywhere*, I have since changed my opinion on the Iphone.
aplspud: I NEVER heard or saw anywhere that had “Freedom Fries” on their menu. Where do you live, that you’d see that?
December 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pm
First of all, I enjoyed the list. With that being said I did have a issue with the misconception of Hitler. I don’t anything you said proves Hitler isn’t Atheist. Hitler used religious ideas for his own utilitarian ethics. As Machiavelli mentions in The Prince, if one wants to maintain a position of power over the masses it is better to appear Christian than to actually be Christian. I think Hitler knew this lesson very well. He was quite fond of the Atheist philosopher Nietzsche who encouraged the will to power and overthrowing the current moral system to create a new race of Overmen. You are correct to mention that Hitler, at times, seems to speak in favor of God or some notion of God and religion. But if you read further you will find that it is done for utility and manipulation that ends up justifying his own ends. To say that Hitler believed in a personal God that would be behind the said religions is going beyond the available evidence. I think the proper conclusion is that Hitler was an atheist. I admit that this isn’t conclusive, but given his philosophy and the context in which he lived I have no problem maintaining that he was lying when he said he believed in God.
December 1st, 2007 at 12:43 pm
Daniel: Since 9/11 I’ve been in NYC, Jersey, California, Washington and a lot of places in between. I really can’t remember exactly when or where I saw it (and yes, I realize that reduces my credibility) but I just know I did. I know at least one of them was in NYC on a chalkboard sign outside of a restaurant.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:21 pm
rph2odbp: Now you’re going to claim Nietzsche was an Atheist… there’s even debate surrounding that claim. His sister, Christmas, altered some of his works and he would have despised Hitler’s actions if he were alive. The most famous quote, from the Gay Science, stating “God is dead”, is merely something said by one of his characters and even if he did say that personally, he could very well have meant that we, as a society, have killed God. Nonetheless, getting back to the actual list, there are great arguments for both sides of the “Hitler is/isn’t an Atheist”… I just accept that we probably won’t know!
aplspud: Oh gosh, I’m sure one of those signs marketing “Freedom Fries” showed up in NYC! Haha!
And I seem to remember news reports of various restaurants (mostly in the South… where I live!), selling “Freedom Fries”.
Yummy Yummy!
December 1st, 2007 at 1:26 pm
TheTerm “God is DEad” was onlie coined to explain societies desecration of the idealism behind God. It was not Nietsches own personal belief that God is Dead.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:33 pm
I will claim that Nietzsche’s philosophy does not recognize any moral good, or evil for that matter. He is concerned with overturning current moral conventions and bringing about a new humanity. A moral standard would exist if a “Thou” existed to legislate morality for humanity. And I am not even thinking of the famous “God is dead” line, (oh how i love the presumption) but his powerful narrative “Thus spoke Zarathusa.” See the whole I-thou section.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:40 pm
Hey about #7. its actually completely true. When I went on vacation in Africa I was taken to the area in africa which is directly on the equator. Then my Guide took out a funnel filled with water and put a small bamboo stick in it. When we were directly on the equator and he let the water drop from the hole the stick literally fell straight down without moving clockwise or counterclockwise. When we went literally 30 feet north it started spinning clockwise and when we went 30 feet south it spun counterclockwise.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:42 pm
The best judge of Hitler’s religious views are accounts of his private conversations to his closest associates. I could have written tonnes on his beliefs but I didn’t want his section too long.
Firstly Hitler was a member of the church, and demanded that all his closest associates remained memebers of the church, including Goering and Goebbles. Both Albert Speer and Joseph Goebbles have noted in their diaries that Hitler was deeply religious, though very critical of Christinity as an organised religion. He was very much in favour of ‘Poitive Christianity’ which reinvented Jesus as a kind of fighter against the corrupt Jewry he saw. Hitler very muched admired Jesus and constantly mentioned him in speeches both public and private. Hitler’s anti-semitism is very much derived from his feeling that they sent Jesus to his death and this can be seen from his speeches. Furthermore, as previously mentioned, Hitler very much persecuted Communists based on their atheistic beliefs.
Here are some quotes by him and about him:
“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” – Mein Kampf
“I sank down on my kness and thanked Heaven out of the fullness of my heart for the favour of having been permitted to live such a time.” – Mein Kampf
“I know Herr Hitler very well personally and am quite close to him. He has an unusually honourable character, full of profound kindness, is religious, a good Catholic.” – Rudolph Hess, private letter
“I shall remain a Catholic forever.” – private statement to General Engel, 1941
Not to mention that Hitler invoked God in practically every speech he made, to the point that it would be irresponsible to say that Hitler didn’t at least believe in a deity, even if he was critical of organised Christianity. Just to say that because Hitler said it, it can’t be true is wrong. there’s no reason to beleive that Hitler was sincere when he invoked God in his speeches, and any historian will at least say that he did believe in God.
Hitler also had a very cosy relationship with religious figures such as Pope Pius XII, who refused to condemn the Nazis and even gave Hitler veto power over who he could appoint as bishop in Germany.
Hitler was quite fond of Nietzsche, but mainly because he interpreted his ideas about ‘will to power’ as the coming of a superior Aryan race to rule over inferior races such as Jews and slavs.
December 1st, 2007 at 1:47 pm
Pius XII vehemently fought against the Nazis – the recent idea that he was pro nazi is revisionism – even many members of the Jewish Hierarchy have spoken out in praise of Pope Pius XII for all that he did to defend and protect the jews – including him ordering all German priests and Bishops to give false baptismal certificates to jews to enable them to appear to be Catholic when they weren’t. Pius XII was in a difficult position because Hitler was already sending Catholics to the camps – many Martyrs came from the concentration camps – the Pope did all he could to protect the jews whilst also trying to protect Catholics in Germany.
December 1st, 2007 at 2:02 pm
Pius definitely co-operated with the Nazi regime, and they in turn helped implement various Catholic laws such as a ban on abortion. How much he knew of the Nazi’s atrocities is debatable, and could explain his continued silence against the regimes of Hitler and Mussolini, but still does not vindicate him when people such as Dietrich Bonhoeffer and von Galen were actively protesting against the clearly inhumane aspects of the regime. I would suggest picking up ‘Hitler’s Pope’ about Hitler’s relationship with Pius which was written by a devout Catholic who set out to exhonerate Pius but discovered that he really was ‘Hitler’s Pope’.
NOTE: None of this is meant to be an attack on Christianity, just an attack on dogma.
December 1st, 2007 at 2:09 pm
JT: Hitler’s Pope is the very revisionist book that I am talking about – no one has spread the lies the author of that book spreads until now. Pius XII did what he could to protect Catholics from persecution and everything in his power to help the jews. As I said in my previous comments – even the Jewish community has spoken out in his defence against the pile of lies in “Hitler’s Pope”. Incidentally – he was not silent on the issue – after his first anti-Nazi encyclical, he penned a second which was not released because (presumably) the first reports of priests being sent to camps were coming in.
December 1st, 2007 at 2:21 pm
The mere fact that Hitler still wanted to be associated with the Church doesn’t mean he believes in God as a divine being. Many Jews and Catholics today still live out many of the cultural norms of their inherited religions without believing everything it teaches. This can all be accounted for by what I said earlier. Many people admire Jesus as a social revolutionary without believing he is actually God. Maybe even along the lines as Hegel says; Jesus just happens to be the first one to realize that he is God. Mein Kampf is a piece of political propaganda Hitler wrote while in prison. I’m skeptical of his use of religion in it. Furthermore the relationship you speak of with Pope Pius XII is completely erroneous. The book “Hitler’s Pope” was a bunch of political propaganda by ex-seminarian John Cornwell who uses faulty history and perpetuates lies. All I can say is check your sources! John Cornwell has been discredited in the academic arena by Catholic, Jewish, and secular scholars. I recommend the articles made available by the Catholic League: http://www.catholicleague.org/pius/framemain.htm of course you can find many other sources as well if you are skeptical.
December 1st, 2007 at 2:39 pm
Good list JT! Although I’ve never heard of number 1 anyway…
December 1st, 2007 at 3:46 pm
When I was a kid I was so excited when I heard that lizards would change color to blend in with their surroundings. I used to catch them and put them on pink or purple paper and wait for them to change color. I was so disappointed when it never worked.
I think it’s interesting that so often the same people who will insist that some miserable excuse for a human being was not really a Christian, for example, because of their actions, but are more than happy to turn around and insist that, say, a suicide bomber is in fact a true Muslim because “that’s part of their religion”. (I’d like to see the reaction if I tried to claim that persecuting Jews is part of the Christian religious tradition.) If someone has not left writings in which they clearly state that they are pretending to believe in a certain religion just to gain support then I think that one must assume that they actually do believe, in their own minds, that they truly are following the tenets of their self-professed religion. (George W. Bush, anyone? I have yet to see him display any of the virtues that Jesus endorsed.)
December 1st, 2007 at 3:55 pm
couple people have written that the coriolis effect does indeed change the way water swirls. sorry folks, you’ve been had.
you can quite easily demonstrate with your sinks and bathtubs that water draining from it will swirl different directions with different initial conditions. the same tub will swirl the same way each time, but that has to do with the shape of the tub.
conservation of angular momentum is the name of the game here. if you had perfectly motionless water and imparted no turbulence as you pulled out the plug (and the sink was perfectly symmetrical), then sure coriolis would have an effect, but that effect is just absurdly small over the volume of a bathtub and time period it takes to drain.
December 1st, 2007 at 4:05 pm
wow…just…wow. Especially the camelion one!
December 1st, 2007 at 4:19 pm
I also recommend Rabbi David Dalin’s monograph, THE MYTH OF HITLER’S POPE.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0895260344/lewrockwell/
1) After the war the Israeli Phil put on a public concert in honor of the pope in gratitude for all Pius XII had done for the Jews
2) The chief rabbi of Rome, Israel Zolli, converted after the war, taking the name…you got it..Eugenio. (Pope Pius XII’s birth name)
3) There is a quote from Albert Einstein in Time Magazine (December issue from around 1948 or so) where he says that he is forced to thank the Church which he once disliked, because she was the only one who spoke out in defense of his people
December 1st, 2007 at 5:34 pm
Omri: What you witnessed was a common con. When the water is poured into whatever vessel is being used, it is poured towards one side of the hole or the other – whichever direction the water initially goes, it will continue in that direction – ie. if it starts out clockwise it will drain that way. Don’t let too many people in on the secret though, unfortunately it’s the only living many poor people can make. Besides – the dollar it would cost you to have a guide take you back and forth over the equator to demonstrate this is worth it for the entertainment value.
December 1st, 2007 at 5:36 pm
The arguments against Pius’s Nazi collaboration are in fact very true. The pope’s sentiment can be summed up to this effect; if he openly denounced Hitler, then he would have to denounce Stalin as well, and where would that leave the allies? The fact remains that the pope was caught between a rock and a hard place. Could he have done more? Perhaps, but perhaps he did all he was able to do.
As for Hitler’s beliefs, he most certainly was not Christian. The book Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler’s real views.
I will only provide one quote but there are many, many more:
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors– but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity…. My regret will have been that I couldn’t… behold .” (p 278)
I think going as far as to say he was an atheist is too much. Perhaps he did believe in a god, perhaps not, but the evidence does support the fact that he definitely was not Christian.
The post about Hitler following Machiavellian techniques captures his reasons for invoking the religion.
Let us not forget that a man arguably more evil than Hitler was most definitely an atheist, Josef Stalin.
December 1st, 2007 at 5:54 pm
Raven – the iPhone is definitely not bulky – I assure you – I am always up to date on phones and this is the slimmest I have ever owned
December 1st, 2007 at 6:10 pm
Ive held one there not bulky but yah i suppose you better use a headset to talk, cuz i wouldnt want to hold one up to me head….
December 1st, 2007 at 6:38 pm
I’m concerned about no.7 with the water direction. Has anyone ever seen Michael Palin’s ‘Pole To Pole’ when he’s on the equator?
I’VE SEEN IT!
December 1st, 2007 at 6:59 pm
Mathilda
you should pay more attention to politics the the c-BS news
December 1st, 2007 at 7:03 pm
[dazednconfused]…you’re correct. “The descent of man from apes”, NOT monkeys.
December 1st, 2007 at 8:41 pm
Maybe for top ten common misconceptions you should add Pope Pius XII is Hitler’s Pope.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:22 pm
Wow, for a site that attempts to dispel myths, it has abundantly created yet more mythology.
10) Most historians say Napoleon was short, a few argue otherwise.
A famous meteoroid in Tunguska was so hot it detonated before it hit the ground as do many meteoroids. It depends on the entry angle, etc.
9) a) Most people don’t think Danishes come from Denmark, but they do now, they are ubiquitous there. Also the Danish was popularized in the USA by a Dane, in a shop titled “Danish…..”. That makes it a Danish Danish.
7)Wrong. The Foucault pendulum is an example of the measurement of coriolus. There is a Foucault pendulum in the lobby of the MIT Science museum.
6)Bats fly at night….they can’t see at night….
5)Wrong
4)True
3)Hitler was not an Atheist.. nor was he Catholic. He created a neo pagan religion that suited his Arian beliefs.
2)Darwin advanced the theory of natural selection, not evolution, not common descent, nor mutation.
1)whatever
All together.. very poorly assembled “misconceptions”… poorly explained.. or incorrect altogether.
December 1st, 2007 at 10:38 pm
Ahhh so we do have a test for the water in the toliet bowl!
IF the coriolis effect will alter the direction of water flow shouldn’t cause some motion before the tub starts to drain? In order for it to effect the direction of water it must act as a force on the water. That force will be there at all times due to its specific nature.
I am confident enough to start laughing at my family members who believe it! Thanks
Now I just need to return the call to my realtor. Does anyone know the zip code to Kansas? I need to hurry before that ocean front house is sold up to another buyer!!!
December 1st, 2007 at 10:40 pm
great stuff. now let’s get down to it, and talk about the 10 political myths, and the ten or twenty methods for manipulating opinions. what about ten things we can do to effect global warming?
December 1st, 2007 at 10:55 pm
whoever wrote this is a fucking idiot. not only are you completely wrong about some of the claims you’ve made, but you clearly haven’t even tried to find the correct information. You also are probably some 15 year old kid or worse, a 30+ year old who lives with his mother.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:17 am
@AF: Your hateful remarks aren’t needed here. There are better ways to go about telling someone they are wrong than to insult them.
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:36 am
How about the misconception in America that Saddam was behind 9/11?
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:54 am
AF – good evidence provided mate….
I love this site
December 2nd, 2007 at 6:49 am
great list .. You lost me me on #1 though
December 2nd, 2007 at 7:06 am
By jeez by crikey by christ this has to be the best goddamn list i have ever seen in terms of arguability. Lets look at the subject matter (with apologies to Johnny Carson):
10. a mad hatter
9. a pastry platter
8. a flying boulder
7. a flushing crapper
6. a flapper
5. a fraudster
4. a quacker
3. a Hitler
2. a hairy crawler and
1. a misnomer.
but seriously folks….
i always tremble like a priest in a primary school when i hear talk in the wind about that old classic, the mutha-f**king coriolis effect. i’m gonna quote a special source – the actual list:
“That phenomenon only occurs in weather patterns of hundreds of miles in size like hurricanes, due to the rotation of the Earth. ”
This is almost word for word true. Bob Jones #55 mentioned the foucalt pendulum which is another _non-gas_ example. Good call bro. But it confuses the issue slightly. look up Fictitious force on wikipedia for a really good discussion.
From actually doing scale plug-ins of rough numbers in the coriolis equations, (i only got a 32/100 in Dynamic Meteorology, though, because i was a dunce at fluid dynamics) what you see is this:
You will see big-ass circles of rotation of gas hundreds of kilometres wide, resulting from air velocities at tens of kilometres per hour, around the earth which rotates at hundreds of kilometres an hour.
These are all big numbers, and so a big deflection is seen. You cannot scale this down. We are talking gigatonnes of gas and moisture, a hell of a lot of momentum, and, ultimately angular momentum.
“Toilet” numbers deal with the much denser liquid water in scales of kilograms, travelling at centimetres per second, that anyway doesn’t even get the chance to stay in a fixed plane. I will stop now i am going cross-eyed.
hello to my old meteorology lecturer if he is reading. I always thought i could make you proud somehow.
December 2nd, 2007 at 10:18 am
Let’s do some test. Put water into washbasin or bathtube and let it drain. When it start to swirl (in northern hemisphere – clockwise), try to change the direction (with anything you can, fingers, hands, whatever). I my washbasin water starts to spin in another direction (ccw) only for 1…2 seconds, then stops and restarts spinning in the original – cw direction.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:00 am
Actually water does spin in different directions depending on teh hemisphere. When I was in Uganda, on the equator there was a man who demonstrated the effect by putting water in a bowl and shoing how it went donw the plughole in the Northern Hemisphere then crossed over the equator and did the same thing in the Southern Hemisphere and the water spun different ways
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:03 am
Yeah, well, Big All also says dogs can’t look up. . . .
December 2nd, 2007 at 12:40 pm
I also believe this list is flawed in several of its (mis)statements. BTW, Focoult’s Pendulum is evidence of the rotation of the Earth, not the Coriolis Effect.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:16 pm
The biggest misconception of all?
The Immaculate Conception.
Ask anybody what that is and they will say the birth of Christ, right?
Wrong…
The Immaculate Conception actually refers to the birth of Mary free from the stain of original sin. Look it up.
December 2nd, 2007 at 1:48 pm
This list should be titled, 10 things Chica thought she knew..LOL At least I know better now.
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:06 pm
JJ – very true – even the majority of Catholics don’t know that anymore – at least not since the 60’s anyway
December 2nd, 2007 at 2:09 pm
Chica – you are not alone
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:28 pm
Yay! Thanks jfrater! lol
December 2nd, 2007 at 3:36 pm
The chameleon one is so totally not true. A friend of mine back in high school had one, as well as a couple of Tokay Geckos and an iguana. The chameleon and the geckos would climb onto the fireplace and then match the color of the brick exactly, so that they were hard to find when we wanted to put them away.
They would not only match the color of the brick, but also the look of the texture.
Scientists and wiki writers can say whatever they want, but I’ve seen a chameleon change its color to blend with its surroundings a hell of a lot of times. They do it.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:18 pm
Pope Pius supporting the Nazi’s is a myth and is not based on fact but rather media hype to put the Church in a bad context once again. Also, numerous Catholics were persecuted during the Holocaust, and being born a Catholic does not mean you profess the faith or practice it.
December 2nd, 2007 at 8:32 pm
*waves madly at Chica* hi ya sweetie…oh, sorry. please carry on.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:09 pm
aplspud, I saw a menu with ‘freedom fries’ on it in DC, and another in Fairfax, VA.
December 2nd, 2007 at 11:17 pm
LOL there is someone using the same name as me and posted a similar one to this one,, biggest misconception # 2 jesus was born on december 25,NOT true its just the day his birth is celebrated no one knows the exact date
December 3rd, 2007 at 12:35 am
I like the way he put it. There are over a billion “Christians” in the world, and people in general judge Christians by their actions, as they should, problem is, it’s in reality a poor representation. That’s the problem with the Bible and Christianity. It’s so open to interpretation. Only the source of Christianity can provide the real interpretation. That’s the challenge.
December 3rd, 2007 at 2:33 am
Great
December 3rd, 2007 at 3:21 am
The water in my North American toilet doesn’t swirl either way, it goes straight down the hole.
I had a type of chameleon that had two colors. On light colors it was pale green. If you put him on a dark surface he would slowly fade to brown.
Darn it! I knew a guy from Belgium but never thought to ask him about waffles.
December 3rd, 2007 at 8:14 am
The problem with people trying to define Christianity is that if you’re not a believer, it doesn’t matter, and if you’re a believer, it doesn’t matter.
Your faith is supposed to be based on FAITH, not proof. If there was proof, faith would be pointless. Hope and free will would cease to exist. If there was incontrovertable evidence of the existence of God, we wouldn’t think, question, or challenge. We would simply cower and obey.
Christianity allows an INDIVIDUAL the ability to choose and define his or her own level of commitment. At the end of the day, only you can answer for your actions and intentions, and only you can know your soul.
One’s faith is not defined by one’s actions. One’s actions should be defined by one’s faith. In other words, volunteering at a soup kitchen does not mean that you are a good Christian. A Christian might feel compelled, as a result of his/her faith, to volunteer, but is not required to do so to score points. Your actions should be determined by an internal desire to do good things, not the other way around.
And I know that this post might get some of your blood boiling, but that’s okay. I’m not here to debate religion. I’m not quoting any verses, and I’m not reaching out for converts. I just see so much venom in some of these posts, from both sides, and decided to lay it out there.
Evolution…
Though there is considerable evidence for Evolution, there is also evidence to the contrary. I’m not a scientist, but I do know that if and when there is a definite proof, say a missing link or what have you, it will be on the front page of every newspaper in the world and the team that finds it will be given the Nobel Prize immediately.
So, without getting too far into that debate, the problem Christians have with Evolution is not that it takes their faith away, but that it excludes God (or whatever you want to call it) and the possibility thereof from the argument. When you present the idea as a fact, at the exclusion of other ideas, beliefs and possibilities, it closes the door on God. Well, there you have it. That’s why the religious right gets so mad. They really don’t care if birds and dinosaurs have similar bone structures. They are angry about the fact that children are being fed secular science that at its essence says that God doesn’t exist.
The ‘religious right’ has weilded some considerable political power in this country for a while, but those of you who are athiests or humanists or whatever should be happy, and I mean overjoyed that we have a system that protects you and allows you to attack, insult, and constantly deride those of us who still believe in something, rather than call for your execution because you were playing with a teddy bear. (read the news.)
Whew. That got heavy.
Okay, for those of you that are wondering:
Yes, I’m a Christian (if it’s not obvious)
I smoke. I drink. I have (and still) engage in premarital sex. I cuss. I only go to church for weddings and funerals.
I’m not the best example, but I also:
Treat my fiance with love, honor and respect. I keep my promises. Help out friends and neighbors with whatever strength and/or finance I can. Stay away from gossip or other things that are designed to hurt. Read and otherwise educate myself to be a more knowledgable human being rather than a blind automaton…
When I die, one of two things will happen. I will either be worm food, and none of this will have mattered. Or, I will wake up with a lot of things to explain. And whether or not Jesus married Mary Magdalene or that a man-like homonid walked around a long time ago is not going to make any of the things I’ve thought or done in my life any less answerable…
Just think about it.
December 3rd, 2007 at 8:29 am
some like Pascal’s wager, a very simple, but definately not religion’s best arguement.
If you believe in a God, and are wrong, you’ve lost nothing.
If you don’t believe in a God, and one exists, you’ve lost everything.
If you believe in a God, and one exists, you’ve gained everything.
So, all things being equal, from a gambling perspective, it is better to believe, you have the possibility of being correct, if you are wrong, nothing was lost.
December 3rd, 2007 at 6:59 pm
@Juggz:
…wait don’t you mean conformIST?
December 3rd, 2007 at 8:11 pm
I try very hard to stay out of religious arguments (mostly because when it comes to religion, the only things I know about it is what I see on television and learnt about in school), so I’m sure I’m going to regret this, but …
I grew up in a non-religious household. I was baptized when I was little, my parents stopped going to church, and not once have I read through the Bible (but not without trying! Confusing read, that). I believe in science but I also believe in a higher power. I’ll swear to anyone who asks that my family’s old cottage was haunted, yet I’m not quite sure about the whole heaven/hell thing. I cry when a life is lost, I smile when a baby is born, and I feel warmth when good is done. I don’t drink, I don’t smoke, I don’t swear nor do I use anyone’s name in vain. I also don’t judge people by what they believe in or for their actions, and yet the fact that I don’t go to church or pray or atone for my sins means I’ve earned myself a one-way ticket to a fiery sulphuric pit amongst the murderers and heretics.
My belief (Ha! Can’t say it’s wrong if I call it a ‘belief’) is this: I wasn’t around when humanity began, so I don’t know how it came about. I don’t know what’s going to happen when I die because I can’t see the future. I believe there’s a higher power, but I don’t know if Christians or Muslims or Hindus or Buddhists or none of the above got it right. What I DO know is that so far I’ve lived a good life, I’ve been kind to those around me, and I don’t yell my head off when a Christian condemns me to hell for what I do or do not believe in. Does that not account for anything? Or is being a decent human completely wasted on me? I may not be Christian, I’m not considered Atheist, but I’m not a lost soul either. In fact, I find myself to be less judgemental than certain religious people I’ve come into contact with in the past.
This is my response to whoever implied that only Atheists judge and/or scorn Christians…they seem to have forgotten that it works both ways.
December 4th, 2007 at 7:42 am
Kittym:
I have to ask, and please don’t take this as a challenge or whatever, but just how often do you find yourself being scorned and/or judged?
I hear of this a lot, but I have to say, in my 32 years of life, I’ve seen a manic street preacher exactly once. I’ve seen some stuff on TV, but in real life, only once. And that guy was yelling at everybody– no bias, no prejudice, just a scattergun of dire warning.
I can’t speak for everyone, but what I see is that when it comes to Christianity, as with just about everything else, there is a very vocal minority that ruins it for everyone. Most Christians are just normal people that keep to themselves and try to live good, honest lives.
My role as a human is not to judge you or anyone else. Those who do that have missed the point. Like I said, only you can know your soul. There are times, however, when one’s ’sinful’ actions cause harm to others, and when this happens, it could become necessary to point it out in the hope that the person will realize it and maybe change their behavior. Again, this is not judgement. Cheating on a spouse or significant other is not a crime, but it is mean and hurtful, and though there may be reasons behind it, it’s wrong. It doesn’t mean you’re going to hell. It means you’re a jerk, and as a Christian, I’m going to try to make you see that…
(And I know you don’t have to be a Christian to agree. It’s just an example.)
When I spoke of athiests judging and/or scorning, like I said: 1 crazy street guy in 32 years. But go look around this site alone. Read the comments. In most cases, it’s not the religious that are spitting venom and calling people stupid, blind, uneducated, what have you; it’s more often the athiests with all those kind words for us…
December 4th, 2007 at 8:00 am
Yarr:
“In most cases, it’s not the religious that are spitting venom and calling people stupid, blind, uneducated, what have you; it’s more often the athiests with all those kind words for us…”
I have to say that I disagree with you. I don’t know who judges the most, but the difference isn’t that big. I have actually only heard Christians judge. Well, I don’t know that many athiest, but still. I still can’t believe, that there are such huge contradictions in the Bible. Aren’t we supposed to accept everyone as they are? Or something like that..
December 4th, 2007 at 11:08 am
Entirely off the subject of religious debates, I’d just like to say thanks for number 9. Having a Danish heritage and having lived in Denmark, let me tell you exactly how irritating this misconception is. Also, for all those people who know “danishes” are not from DENMARK and persist in making jokes about it, I’ll tell you the joke is old almost before it’s made.
December 4th, 2007 at 4:54 pm
The real date that humans and chimpanzees diverged evolutionarily is closer to 3 million years ago. Due to interbreeding and hybridization of the two species of human and chimpanzee ancestors we did not become genetically distinct until around that time. The true human, as we see it today did not evolve until about 100,000 years ago.
December 4th, 2007 at 9:35 pm
Dandelion:
That’s what I’m talking about! Sludge not lest ye be sludged!
Eh, I don’t mind if anyone disagrees with me, but like I said, other than a few celebrity evangelicals on tv and one case of jackass on the street, I don’t see much in the way of finger pointing coming from normal people.
Maybe if you’re at church and are sporting a 666 tattoo on your face you might get some looks and jeers…
But the jerkfaces trying to ruin Christmas for everyone every year by crying and bitching about nativity scenes and whatnot— I see and hear those people way more often than I see what I guess you’re seeing.
And I’m a spectacular sinner. I work in bars and clubs for a living. I’m surrounded by both the best and the worst that society has to offer, and I’m sorry, but I just don’t see people walking around getting randomly ‘judged’ by a bunch of rogue Christians every day. I do, however, hear a lot of crap coming out of the mouths of non-Christians about how hateful we supposedly are.
All I can say is that’s how it is in my world…
December 5th, 2007 at 2:27 pm
“If you believe in a God, and are wrong, you’ve lost nothing.
If you don’t believe in a God, and one exists, you’ve lost everything.
If you believe in a God, and one exists, you’ve gained everything.”
Seems to me that if you don’t believe in God, and God doesn’t exist you are the only who is correct.
The false dichotomy you are implying is that somehow the obvious thing, which is you turning into worm food, has a second possibility, heaven or paradise or whatever, when there is absolutely nothing in the entire world that could logically make me think heaven is or could be ever be real. Its a magical place of pure goodness? Magic is bullshit people, its just entertainment.
Imperfection is obvious in nature and in humanity and in our understanding of the entire universe where it seems like a giant random chaotic system. If God is real, he sure is a shitty engineer. He gave us brains just big enough to make nuclear war heads but people just stupid enough to wield them in his name.
Religion, or the belief in anything that is obviously fiction, myth, campfire gossip, fairy-tales, or just plain old bullshit is dangerous thing for powerful people to base their decisions on when they affect my life.
You are welcome to believe whatever you want. I was a brainwashed Catholic as a child, and I have formed a logical observation since on evidential things like evolution as a very fleshed out and workable theory that has actually useful practicality for us. Religion has good vibes and terrible music. Science and genetic research can further human endeavors by limiting disease and malformations, it can prevent suffering and death. Religion can make up stories about fish from the sky and people who walk on water.
It’s just fucking stupid, why can’t you see how absolutely, heartbreakingly retarded it is? The only thing praying to God does is make you feel like you are helping when you are actually doing nothing. Yay you are a waste of space, the rest of us working with evolutionary science are going to turn your genes off.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:42 pm
kittym: You are called an Agnostic
In a sense, even I am Agnostic since I do think there was an effect that caused the Big Bang. Higher power would be a bad way to describe it, more like an “Additional Force” but that doesn’t make it have a sadomasochistic voyeur personality or any intelligence or any intent. In my view God is made up of Dark Matter, and Dark Energy and all the things we don’t understand YET.
So as we expand the human experiment, this rare, random chance of an eternity, the more we learn and unlock, the more God dies a little bit. I think that’s what Nietsche was trying to say, when we stop needing to explain things with ghost stories, God is dead.
December 5th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
Oh and keep in mind that the bible does not give us our sense of morality. In fact, our sense of morality gave us the bible.
A few friends of a hippy stoner blogged about his activism and preachings up until the man got him down then they all wrote wildly varying accounts of the same crazy shit, with added indulgences to keep reader interested. Then a bunch of years pass, records are not kept, manuscripts and codecs change hands, some are smuggled, others destroyed, then the church decides they can unify all of these teachings into the unquestionable “word of God”.
Talk about libel, if I were God and someone wrote how much of a dick I was in the Old Testament I’d use my godliness to jack a nigga up. But alas, there never has, nor ever will be an Omnipotent Jacking Up because its so silly to think of, hehe God going all gangsta.
I’m glad this conversation has been one sided, I am leaving now and will never return good day.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:23 pm
Actually monkeys evolved from Republicans. Monkeys are, of course, a higher form of life than Republicans. Monkeys throw their shit but they don’t speak shit and eat shit as do Republicans. Monkeys are mostly friendly and occasionally gang up on others. Republicans are angry, sly, nasty, lying and a general bunch of greedy criminals.
December 5th, 2007 at 3:26 pm
Well said. Though I might include all politicians in this group. And this is said as a democrat.
December 6th, 2007 at 6:26 am
Hey joe, its pascals wager, not mine. but your option “dont believe, god doesnt exists”, would, under the wager, be a loss. because since there is nothing, no afterlife, god,etc. after death, then your life meant nothing.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:20 am
Who told you life was supposed to “mean” something?
My life will have meaning in so far as my children will probably miss my presence and love I show for them. Yes, you can still love your children and not believe in fairy-tales.
God doesn’t give you meaning, you give God meaning, something which is ridiculous when you open your mind to it.
It’s like worshiping Martians and telling me that my lack of Martian love is going to damn me to an eternity of Martian hate? Well we have robots on Mars today that allow you to plainly see there are no furry Martians. Eventually we will send rovers everywhere we can, where will your God hide then?
I conclude with the Epicurean Axiom:
Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?
You are making shit up, period. Fossils and ancient hominid relics such and stone tools and pottery are not made up, end of discussion.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:26 am
And it wouldn’t be a loss you idiot. I am not the one wasting my time on myth. Nor am I fucking my kid’s heads up by filling them with the fear that if they jerk off, they are evil and going to go to hell. Only a loser would do that to a child.
As far as I can tell, Pascal was just a weak minded person with bad taste in rhetoric.
All religion has done for humanity is slow down truth. You morons locked Galileo in a tower for telling you how reality worked, and you persecuted him because his accuracy went against a long held tradition of bullshit that the Earth was the center of the universe. It’s not by the way, in fact it’s not the center of anything other than religious fanaticism.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:42 am
Joe, im not making anything up, I am not telling you to believe anything. I posted Pascal’s wager, you asked a question about it. I gave you the answer in refence to Pascal’s wager.
You need to relax buddy.
you obviously have some deep seeded hatred towards religion and anyone involved with it, not so “open minded” in my view.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:42 am
1000 years from now people are going to look back and say “How did the majority of people on Earth believe in such foolishness?”
Keep in mind that I do like the teachings of Jesus of Nazerath, he was obviously a wise man with an extremely noble message. I just think Christians don’t listen to his message. Its obvious that he was human, and its obvious he started as a Zygote like the rest of us, 23 chromosomes from his Father, and 23 from his Mother. Through meiosis his genome was made unique chemically like all the rest of us. He wasn’t immortal, divine, all powerful, nor did he ever show any sign of being anything other than a normal human being. Your desire to fill your empty heart with falsities has perpetuated and made more incredible the absolute ludicrousness of the gospel. My guess is if you read the King James version of the bible to an Apostle they would break out in merry laughter. Even when Jesus lived, there were bullshit stories around.
I smoke a little cannabis and feel like I can walk on water too.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Joe #91: I’ve heard a couple of theories about how the Big Bang started. One involves particles randomly creating and disappearing again, and the collision of two such particles as starting it all (I thinka). Also, there’s a family guy episode that shows you how the big bang was started (god lit a fart after winning a game of arm wrestling with his roomate). I’m not one to beleive wild theories, but I think Seth Mcfarlane is onto something there
Auntie Kryst/Damian #93: Actually, monkeys and apes do eat their shit sometimes. Horrible I know, but I’m sure if you look on youtube you’ll find some videos.
December 6th, 2007 at 10:48 am
Don’t mistake assertiveness for meanness. I couldn’t care what you think is real as long as it doesn’t affect the liberty of the innocents. I am pointing out to you that faith in falsehoods are the leading cause of criminality and suffering world-wide.
Aka religion does more harm than good. If you are taking my comments personally, please don’t. I don’t know who you are, and I don’t care to know you, but I do care about hurting your feelings, which I did not mean to do.
That’s what science is. Determination based upon empirical evidence. It has no moral platitudes to give, and it by its very nature makes us safer, less prone to suffering, and more likely to live in harmony.
The dark ages are clear evidence that in the presence of religious fervor and the absence of realistic sensibilty, you can have major catastrophic suffering.
I wasn’t picking on you Evan.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:10 am
http://talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/images/hominids2.jpg
Letter (A) is an ancient Ape and letter (N) is you. What the hell is all the talk about a missing link? I can see what is obvious to me. Most of my friends look a little ape-like. 10 fingers, 10 toes. 96% of the characteristics that make us human are shared by chimps. Everything biological on Earth shares some DNA markers. Occam’s razor tells you that what is most obvious is most likely correct. God making everything 6000 years ago and giving it 5.5 billion years worth of history is not the obvious conclusion that I reach.
Maybe God cause the Big Bang. You might be able to sell me THAT lemonade, but only until I ask you what evidence you have to support that. Making a hypothesis is not guess work. You look at the available evidence, and then you form a working model around it that agrees with the conditions.
Who made this hypothesis about God? Wait, you mean you got this from a guy who found it in a book that was translated and retranslated at the very least 4 times, is over 1950 years old, half of it was lost…the other half changed by clergy and royalty for the past few hundred years.
Hmm, doesn’t seem real evident. In fact, it sounds to me like someone is trying to sell you real estate on the moon.
I love the human race and the planet Earth, and I don’t need a magical three headed ghost-god-human thing to tell me what has been inherited for the past 100,000 years from my ancestry, namely the will to survive and flourish, which demands social care and acceptance. Love is a byproduct of evolutionary fitness. That’s why society’s worst are locked away so they can’t breed.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:18 am
This is actually kind of fun.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:25 am
My email inbox hates all of you.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:35 am
This debate is pretty interesting.
I really don’t care whether people choose to believe in God or not. It’s a personal choice and I really have no place telling another what to believe, just as I feel they have no right to tell me what to believe. I also feel no one has the right to belittle anyone’s beliefs, to say they’re “stupid” for believing in God (whether you’re Christian or any other denomination), or that they’re “stupid” for being Atheist. I have been both, but now I have found peace in believing that there is a God or some sort of higher power. I’m not afraid to live my own life, I don’t depend on Him/Her/It to provide for my every wish, it’s just comforting for me to think that there’s Something out there. I’m not too much into the whole organized religion thing, I just try to follow the Golden Rule and be a good person. Religion or not, that can’t really be a wrong way to go about things.
It’s really sort of futile to try to get non-believers to believe and the other way around, either you believe or you don’t. Furthermore, if one is going to change their beliefs, it’s going to be a very personal thing, it’s going to be their decision, and not that of anyone else. I just accept that people aren’t going to believe the same way as I do and I embrace that, if everyone felt the same way this world would be boring! As long as people’s beliefs don’t cause harm to others, I say let them have at it. =)
December 6th, 2007 at 11:40 am
to borrow a qoute from another thread, which seems fitting…
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
December 6th, 2007 at 11:48 am
My daughter asked me about Santa Claus when she was about 4 years old and I will admit that I carried on the fable, because just like you said the actual belief isn’t harmful on its own. It is when she asked me if we could take a plane to the North Pole to give Santa an Easter present that the stupid began.
See, its ok to believe in God or Yahweh or Allah or Satan or Buddha, or The Stoics (who were real). Its just not ok to go to war because God told you to, that makes you stupid.
Faith is only dangerous when acted upon. If you are faithful to God and don’t try to convert the heathens you are a sinner through indifference. Not true with Agnosticism or Atheism, where indifference is perfectly ok.
The polar opposite of which is that if I let you drop nukes on Iran because they are evil and don’t agree with your take on religion and I do it through scientific indifference, that would make me stupid.
You see, its the belief that is dumb, its trying to use it to make a point that is dumb. Science is absent of morality and is therefor useful to make a point with.
You just can’t compare something logical with something illogical and try to prove logic wrong with nonsense.
Maybe the ultimate mystery of God is why he made people need to make up something to fill the voids where we don’t yet fully understand things.
Its perfectly fine to think that God is a black hole, but once it is shown to be a nursery for young stars, you gotta get off the blind faith train and join the rest of us on planet get real.
My remarks come across as crass because they are meant to portray reality which is very harsh for ideologues to deal with. Reality is often at odds with religion, such as with miracles.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:56 am
“To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible.”
What is catechism for then? Why go to church, why even have a church? Explaining why you should have faith is what your parents and priest do for you.
You could reword it to say “To those who are invested in faith successfully, no contradiction is likely to persuade, To those who were never successfully forced to believe in fiction, the possibility of conversion is very limited.
To call it impossible for me to find faith actually goes against the teachings of God. I assure you if God shows up tomorrow in a Toga and says “where my bitches at?” I’ll be the first in line like he was handing out Iphones.
December 6th, 2007 at 11:59 am
Oh and if my blasphemy offends you, just keep in mind that warning dumb people to remember evolution is a theory offends me. Gravity is a theory, but maybe the weight of God’s awesomeness is whats holding your body tightly to Earth.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:15 pm
This discussion has actually forced me to combat some internal struggles I have wrestled with since youth. Just like the strength of belief in Santa Claus which caused me to cry when I found out the truth, so too does my loss of faith in Catholicism make me cry for how much time I wasted thinking theologically rather than logically.
I actually met a few brilliant theologians in my time in pre seminary where I was exposed to not just the doctrine but its purpose. That argument that its better to have religion than to not have it is so tired now. Religion was originally created to control disorder and injustice through fear. It has lost its original purpose, to help control wild crazy people, and instead it has been used to perpetuate that which it was created to prevent.
The cult of Branch Davidians that burned to death in Waco, TX were no less faithful than any of you are. They believed David Koresh was the Christ returned. In the wake of the incident a few of the survivors who still have faith believe that David being killed by the ATF is the exact same thing as Jesus being killed by the Romans.
Now if you don’t switch from Christianity to Koreshinity like you were told by God to switch from Judaism to Christianity, you are going to hell according to these freaks.
That’s what I mean by stupid. Until God personally contacts me, all of your miracles, martyrs, saints, and prophets are just bullshit. And that is how I tackled my brainwashing from childhood.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
Joe, who are you trying to convince here?
December 6th, 2007 at 12:24 pm
I think he’s trying to convince me
though I stopped caring some time ago. God has left my monkeysphere.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:30 pm
no no
let him vent
it seems very enjoyable for me to read all of that.
and to be honest, i kind of agree with most of what he said.
im not really religious.
but i do believe that there is something out there… another plane of existence if you will, in which exists the… for the lack of a better word “spiritual” reflection of everything in this universe.
however, i dont march around school trying to convince everyone to listen to what i have to say or what i believe in.
i just quietly believe what i believe and if people seems mildly interested, i give them a brief description of it.
so yea awesomeliciousness to you joe for actually taking the time to type all that xD
December 6th, 2007 at 12:34 pm
ACTUALLY…. one doesn’t “believe” in the Buddha. The Buddha isn’t a figure of worship. (Veneration, maybe, to some extent, but that’s different). The Buddha is not a deity.
One emulates the Buddha if possible, tries to follow the Buddha… but one doesn’t “believe” in him.
But…. *sigh,* if people could learn to take the same attitude towards Jesus Christ, it’d be a far happier, better world, I think.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Just like Kent Hovind uses the opacity of religion to see science in a cloudy light, I use the clarity of science to look at religion in clear light. Only one of us is correct, and I am not the one disagreeing with the experts, who do you put your money on in this situation?
For every young earth creationist there are approximately 150,000 scientists that disagree. The experts have formed a consensus about evolution, that is that it exists. Same way they formed consensus on the theory of gravity, it exists also. That doesn’t explain what gravity is made of or why it needs to exist. There are people who are pioneering Unfied Field Theory like Garrett Lisi recently and his proposal of E8 being the best model. There are evolutionary biologists who have gone WAY beyond theoretical postulation to actual usability. Monsanto Starshine corn is genetically modified and spiced with grasshopper genes that provide resistance to a particular disease. Cows eat that corn every day, and you eat the cows. You eat stuff that God didn’t create, according to the idea that God created everything and it has never evolved.
I hybridized, clone, and graft together plants as a hobby. Does this make me evil or against the natural will of God? Obviously its pretty harmless to play with the building blocks of life in plants, but what about humans? What the hell is the difference? If I told you I could turn off the gene for Parkinson’s disease but the trade off is that no one could ever kneel at a pew again, would you want people to continue to shake violently in order to appease the will of our Lord?
I freely admit these are totally unfair questions, but that’s why this debate needs to happen. It needed to happen back in the late 60s when it began. Kids nowadays are using the internet to wake up to reality. Parents are losing their ability to scare kids into obedience with religion. I say its good to throw off the baggage of intolerance and have a social awakening to the importance of helping out while your alive instead of spending your every waking moment planning for your death. What a waste is a life unlived.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:41 pm
again joe, who are you trying to convince here? yourself?
December 6th, 2007 at 12:42 pm
“Joe, who are you trying to convince here?”
Actually I don’t really have any purpose to write this other than peer reviewed personal reflection. Anyone who reads it that finds it informative happens to be a corollary benefit.
Why, am I bothering you?
December 6th, 2007 at 12:43 pm
This is more of a one sided thing Evan.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:50 pm
ah ok, nope thats fine, i wasnt sure if these were being directed towards someone and awaiting some kind of answer.
December 6th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
It will go two sided when someone makes a point that convinces me that I am or could be wrong.
Considering I have a bit of an advantage and know more about theology than most lay people, I’ll explain. My specialty in pre seminary was the purpose of the appearance of the Blessed Virgin at Fatima and the bestowing of the mantle of the soldier of Christ upon humanity as a means to ever lasting happiness through Her Immaculate Heart by way of the Blessed Scapular.
So if you got all that, it basically is a modern version of maintaining a state of grace in today’s world. No longer is perfect contrition and absolution needed to get to heaven, now you can just where a scapular and say your rosary often enough to get there.
It occurred to me in seminary that historically the church has always held just enough power to be influential but not to much to be cast off like Tyrants. Much to my dismay my theological studies brought me to the realization that God is a device used to manipulate people.
I immediately stopped wasting my time on a fruitless pursuit and starting doing things that have meaning and function. Now I am a carpenter, just like Jesus, and I specialize in advance “green” building techniques, so that my time on Earth is spent in pursuit of what truly matters to me, leaving my children with a better Earth than this.
And I strongly believe that there will be a technological/communication revolution of such magnitude within the next 50 years that the whole question of the meaning of life will answer itself. Bring on the Singularity!
December 6th, 2007 at 1:07 pm
alright. i’ve pretty much stayed out of the conversation until now but i think i’d like to speak my peace. i was born and raised lds (mormon to those of you who don’t recognize the term). when i was 17 i began questioning everything, as i have come to believe is the natural process in human development. as a consequence i tried to believe for a number of different reasons. for my parents, for my clergy, for my friends. finally i tried to believe for myself. eventually i realized that belief in anything is necessitated by personal choice. science is just as much a belief system as any religion. there are just as many leaps of faith regarding science as there are in religion. there have been wars caused by science just as there have been wars caused by religion. granted, there have not been as many wars caused by science, but then you must consider that science is in its infancy. you see, what i’ve come to realize is that it doesn’t matter if you believe in evolution or creation. christ or chromosomes. what matters is what you do with that belief.
a scientific study made a connection between the brain size of primates and the size of communities they live in. humans were included in the study and it was hypothesized that humans can have a maximum of about 150 people in their community or “monkeysphere”. if you think about it, it makes sense. how many people do you actually know on a real level? how many people do you think of as actual people? i bet you anything that the guy you order your burger from is not a real person to you. he only exists to the extent that you have to interact to order you burger. you don’t know that he’s a single dad trying to fight depression as his kids turn to drugs because there is no one watching them. any terrorist doesn’t think of the people he is murdering as actual people. a bank robber sees only a huge corporation, not the 50 people with lives of their own who now need to find a new job. a priest sees only a body of scientists, persecuting him for his beliefs. an atheist sees only a religion, persecuting him for his lack of beliefs.
perhaps we should be more understanding of people. have i lost my faith? no. though i can certainly understand where people do lose their faith. i’ve been down that road.
yes i believe in god and no, i don’t know all the answers. i do know that wherever a higher power exists we have no understanding of her. perhaps when science reveals all the answers we will find god has existed all along. perhaps not. perhaps when science finds all the answers science will also find more questions, as has been consistent with scientific method. and perhaps there is a higher form of faith, a higher form of meaning to life. perhaps there is a form of knowing god on a personal level when you can say, “yes, i know my potential and i know that whatever exists in my life exists solely because i have created it though my consciousness”
maybe knowing yourself, is the highest form of knowing god. and it’s not until you know god that you can know anything with any certainty.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:23 pm
Mystern: One correction: You say, “science is just as much a belief system as any religion.”
This is simply not true. People *make* science into a belief system–our civilization has been doing this for quite some time now–but that is not the same as what you say, that science *itself* is a belief system.
The scientific method is NOT about belief or faith. It is about evidence, experiment, and theory.
It’s a perversion of science when people view it as a belief system.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:26 pm
When did Dr. Phil get here? No seriously, I don’t have any problem with faith at all. I have a problem with you insinuating that science requires faith.
Science does not need anyone praying to God to work. When you postulate a theory in science you are not saying “ok guys, I know this is going to sound crazy, but I think the speed of light is as fast as anything can travel.” You know why Einstein didn’t require faith in order for E=MC2? Because he observed the evidence, proposed a hypothesis, it was eventually tested, and its now used as the “Theory of General Relativity” its how we calculate extra orbital trajectory, and guess what? It works. No faith required by our astronauts when we launch the shuttle. We know that general relativity works. We don’t know why it works yet, it just does.
See, you’re not saying that about God. faith asks me to believe God is doing something, when it appears to me he never does anything. Oh and I can’t test it, ever. Oh and its got magic too, but only the faithful can see or feel the magic. Church is like a giant Ouija board and everyone has there hands on the selector and the priest is the guy moving it around, except when he is eyeing your nubile sons of course. Ok that last part isn’t fair, but neither is life.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Randall: You are correct. Science itself is not a belief system. However belief in science is.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:29 pm
And um I hate to ask this, but do you mind refreshing my memory as to which war science started again?
December 6th, 2007 at 1:30 pm
Joe: I can completely understand your arguments and you have valid points. There are some things widely accepted in science though which cannot be proven. This is not to say that they will never be proven, simply that they have not yet. You have no evidence that the existence of God cannot be proven.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
As for science causing wars, I will admit it depends on your definition of “cause”.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:36 pm
Whoa, you mean you need to believe in science for it to be true?
If you walk around the world in one direction (bear with me) would you call it flat? If you saw a soft tissue clone of a living dinosaur at the zoo would you say it was fake? If you see the Earth spinning from the Mir space station, does the Sun still revolve around it?
If you don’t believe your senses, those of touch, taste, smell, sight, and sound, then we cannot talk. If you disbelieve your own senses and the anecdotal evidence of your peers that they too sense the same thing, well you are a lost cause.
Blind faith doesn’t mean being blind to reality.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
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December 6th, 2007 at 1:39 pm
“You have no evidence that the existence of God cannot be proven.”
I cannot disprove a negative. Religion also states that the beatific vision would instantly kill a mortal. The sheer knowledge that God exists would make your head pop like a balloon. Why do you think they threw that fine print in there? So it can never be questioned, because it can never be disproven.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:40 pm
No one is pissed off, if logical debate makes you uncomfortable, change the channel.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:41 pm
Nope I never said you need to believe in something for it to be true. I don’t know what is true. I will concede the point that what exists, exists. There are scientific laws which exist. I am simply saying that there are some things which cannot be proven. As for “Religion also states that the beatific vision would instantly kill a mortal” – that depends on the religion.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
“As for “Religion also states that the beatific vision would instantly kill a mortal” – that depends on the religion.”
Heh, which one?
December 6th, 2007 at 1:47 pm
You tell me. You’re the one who wrote it. I can tell you a couple that don’t. Buddhism, LDS theology, Taoism.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:48 pm
And That is giving the interpretation that those religions would give beatific vision
December 6th, 2007 at 1:52 pm
All the channels have this debate. You can go to almost any page on the internet that allows comments, and you’re sure to find a science/religion argument. It’s not that this so-called “logical debate” makes me or anyone else uncomfortable, it’s that it’s tiring, lame, and unoriginal. And I’m fully aware that I could choose not to read it if I’m too tired out by it…I’m not really reading it, to be honest. It’s just that I think there are more exciting things to talk about.
Here, I’ll throw out a topic: Isn’t it obnoxious when someone complains about inane conversations on the internet by contributing to one? Discuss…
December 6th, 2007 at 1:53 pm
Listen, I don’t know everything. Quite the opposite actually. What I’m saying is you don’t know more than me. Having a personal devotion to God regardless of the religion does not give you any advantage over an Atheist. Its just a distraction from reality, like World of Warcraft, or EverQuest. You live in your faith, in your head, where you plan to have a super kick ass time after death because you were good on Earth. I’m merely saying that being good while your alive has its own intrinsic value that does not require God.
God is invoked more often than anything else because of our need to avoid reality. During sex, or a car accident, or when I stub my toe, who gets the blame? God. Its a convenient way to excuse being a clumsy person and invoke something else, like God, to assure you that it was in fact Gods fault you stubbed your toe. I never understood why people call out his name during sex, other than maybe thats what people think heaven is? I dunno.
Science has yet to cause a war. If you were thinking about Oppenheimer creating the Atomic bomb, well that arguably was the end to WWII and the reason the Cold War was prevented. Science makes friends of enemies, when we all see reality in the same light we start to work together. Vice versa if you perpetually see the world through God colored glasses you will never see the harmony of man which is at the heart of all religions.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:57 pm
chill, please?: I agree. Though i must i’m not really irritated with Joe. he’s got some excellent points. My entire purpose for entering the discussion was to provide an alternate point of view.
Joe: Science is wonderful. It’s given humans fantastic things. And I completely agree withall of your points in the last post. While this may be the norm I think that a more personal approach to God is called for in every religion.
December 6th, 2007 at 1:58 pm
“Though i must i’m not really irritated with Joe”
This was supposed to say: Though I must admit I’m not really irritated with Joe
December 6th, 2007 at 2:02 pm
chill, please?: It is highly irritating!
I’ll give you yet another topic . . . the Civil War was neither civil nor a war . . . discuss . . .
December 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Bhuddism requires transcendance or detachment from mortality to reach nirvana.
I know nothing about Mormons other than they used to embrace polygamy which is strictly against the tenets of the foundation of Christianity where it is supposedly derived and the little nerds on bicycles with there Herb outfits are annoying as fuck when I have a 12 pack of Heineken in one hand and this months Hustler in the other and they decide to stop me and ask if I have found Jesus to which I always reply “if he loves all of us he’ll find me.”
Taoism like ancient Chinese Confucianism? They worship rocks and the wind. They believe in a balance of power in the universe. Hell the conservation of matter is like the first law of thermodynamics. I side with them if anything, and I don’t think they are even searching for a deity.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Angelina: Oh hey, there’s an idea! In my fifth grade American History textbook, someone’s mom had gone through and crossed out every instance of the term “Civil War” and replaced it with “The War of Northern Aggression.” I grew up in GA.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
83. jeff_nesquick
with all this talk of nazi’s i figured it was about time a grammar nazi would show up.
Yes my education is probobly lacking in the grammar area but WTF cares.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Ok, democracy rules I am out of here, but I will check back sometime it was actually very interesting.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
Joe: I think our debate has come to an end. Thanks for helping me pass half the day at work. And thanks for raising some awesome points. Thanks also for challenging my answers in intelligent ways.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:05 pm
oh yah and its nice to see i was correct in a assuming a religous debate was coming. It did take longer then expected though.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
Juggz: I held my peace as long as I could. I just wanted to provide an alternate perspective. I haven’t had a discussion that good in a long time.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:08 pm
chill, please?: I live in Savannah now though I grew up in Va. I work with a lady who refers to it as “The war between the states”. Yikes!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Angelina: No way! I totally grew up in Savannah! There are definitely some crazies there.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
So I’ve never heard that the Civil War was neither civil or a war. Could you please explain this?
December 6th, 2007 at 2:16 pm
chill: So you know all about St. Patty’s day, huh? When did you move away? I love it here but I didn’t grow up here so I understand. I never want to move back to where I from. Too cold! I loved your comment . . . nice to break the tension with a sarcastic remark . . . I’m the same way!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:17 pm
Mystern: It’s from a SNL skit with Mike Myers, “Coffee Talk”. Sorry, it was funnier in my head!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:18 pm
http://www.ted.com/talks/view/id/76
There watch that, its pretty cool stuff.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:20 pm
I moved a little more than 3 years ago to go to school. Oh St. Patrick’s Day. That holiday (or should I say WEEK of revelry) is…how can I put this delicately…celebrated quite merrily in our fair city. Have you been through a hurricane yet? I think I prefer cold weather to hurricanes.
December 6th, 2007 at 2:48 pm
Yarr: Didn’t find it a challenge at all, don’t worry! I’ve come into a lot of contact with scorning Christians. I suppose it’s mostly due to where I live (the “cliques” here are based on where you go to church), but I have to say it’s quite tiresome, being constantly told I’m heading to hell for no reason at all. I mean, I’m a nice person! It’s not like I kick puppies for sport or anything. I pay my ridiculously high taxes, I send out Christmas cards, and I wish everyone a Happy Holiday. Ah well, doesn’t really bother me — I was in a bit of a ranty-sort of mood when I wrote that last post. Generally I’m happy-go-lucky, you stay on your side of the pond and I’ll stay on mine!
And don’t get me wrong, Atheists have been known to bite my head off as well. They think I’m stupid because I DO believe in a higher power (I just haven’t defined what that is yet). That can be tiresome as well. I can’t win with the mean Christians (the majority, I find, are very cheerful, friendly people!), yet I can’t win with the over-expressive Atheists either! It’s a vicious, vicious circle, and I think I’ll just turn my head and whistle tunelessly, hoping they’ll ignore me!
December 6th, 2007 at 2:57 pm
chill: Hurricane Bonnie 1998 in Wilmington, NC. It sucked! But it lasted for 3 days . . . winter in Va. lasts forever! Or 4-5 months depending on the year.
December 6th, 2007 at 3:00 pm
Yarr: Where do you live such that you don’t regularly encounter crazy street-preachers? Sign me up!
December 6th, 2007 at 3:32 pm
This must be the topic of the day. Hey guys we have forums too
December 6th, 2007 at 4:00 pm
Juggz: Forums are for nerds.
December 6th, 2007 at 4:07 pm
*Proud Nerd!
December 6th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
well
i WOULD go on the forums… if i ever get that verification email
December 6th, 2007 at 6:18 pm
If anyone wants to continue this discussion further, I blog at http://ojmac79.blogspot.com where I have lots of things you can disagree with.
December 6th, 2007 at 7:28 pm
Joe: wow. no stay … Joe’s still goin…”Keep Punching Joe!” I am the eyes inside of you.
December 6th, 2007 at 8:11 pm
I’m still willing to call bullshit on many fronts.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:25 pm
I said some things in comment 81. about how faith is what it is and how it really didn’t matter what you thought about it…
I guess that could mean faith in God, science, lightswitches… Whatever.
I also pointed out how nicely people who don’t agree with each other over religion seem to treat one another. Joe and Auntie Kryst more or less proved my point. (…the venom comments, remember?)
Thanks guys!
Before you go back up the comment stream, one of Auntie Kryst’s more offensive comments was removed.
That’s unfortunate.
It really tied the room together.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:41 pm
Chill Please:
I live in Houston. I think we’re home to maybe 3 or 4 world famous mega-churches.
I gotta say though, no street preachers. Lots and lots of panhandlers, the occasional Mormon on a bicycle at a crosswalk. But, and I swear to God, I have never, except for once in my life, seen a crazy street preacher.
It seems like there’s a porn shop on every corner though. Which is cool. You never know just exactly when you’re gonna need more porn. In Houston, if you forgot to stop, you just wait a second or two. There will be another one just up the block.
I used to live directly behind a big gay porn store. It was the only landmark to my street. I literally gave my parents directions to Thanksgiving at my house,”Come up Richmond about 3/4 mile, and take a left at the big gay porn store.”
So, lots of pollution, lots of bums, lots of traffic, and lots and lots of porn. But, few, if any wacky preachers.
December 6th, 2007 at 9:48 pm
By the way, I think any serious discussion can be derailed when you start talking about porn.
How the hell can you continue to argue about God when someone starts talking about porn?
Porn.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:03 am
Yarr: priceless!
December 7th, 2007 at 6:02 am
I’ve never understood why people take offense to being called stupid. Some people are very stupid people, can’t we at the very least agree that humans are notoriously dumb some times?
The internet is chalk full of nascar loving, blonde joke emailing, redneck saluting dunderheads. Al Gore created the internet tubes to be filled with porn and insults, don’t rock the boat!
December 7th, 2007 at 6:03 am
Joe: Are you referring to me?
December 7th, 2007 at 6:12 am
Wow, in 4 comments 2 of my favourite things on the internet have been mentioned: porn and blonde jokes
Everyone is stupid, some just show it more publicly.
December 7th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
No, no I was referring to all of us. I act like an idiot just as much as the next guy. We are all imperfect people and I am no different.
December 10th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
soo, anyone remember Are You Afraid of the Dark? The chameleon episode?? Did it piss anyone else off that they used iguanas and called them chameleons? Cause it sure pissed me off.
December 11th, 2007 at 9:45 pm
It sounds like this Joe guy is sick of life itself…man..just put yourself out of your misery…
December 12th, 2007 at 6:34 am
I’m happy living in reality chap. If you need to believe lies and myths to feel good about yourself, it is you who needs to look at your self worth, not me.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:12 pm
Joe:
Don’t let the yahoos get at you. Keep fighting the good fight.
December 12th, 2007 at 3:22 pm
My eyes started bleeding about halfway through reading all the comments…
Certainly didn’t help that i tried doing those stereo images just before that!!
December 12th, 2007 at 7:56 pm
joe you are doing a good job.
I often wonder if atheism would be stronger as a ‘belief’ if there was a unified piece of literature and a once a week gathering place for it.
From working in a lab, and seeing the scientific approach to doing experiments for a living, and comparing this to (past) church life in the assemblies of god:
Science has just exactly the same types of people in it that religion has. There are just as many scientific zealots as there are religious zealots. Just as there are people whose faith is weak, there are also people whose knowledge of their own scientific area is lacking. It seems that faith is manifest in what you will do with your hands for others of any kind, but science is manifest in what you will do for the body of scientific knowledge. The arguments about scientific theories are on level with some of the arguments about who did what in the bible. The two lots of people are pretty much the same on a biological and social level. They all make mistakes. They all argue. Someone in science is always proved wrong and disappears. Someone in faith is seen as popular and is recorded as having a good statement.
My speculation is that there is a part of everyone’s brain, whether scientific or religious, that is hard-wired for just a little bit of bullshit that is contrary to their overall nature. We fill it with sport, movies, dreams, fantasies about the future, etc, and we make excuses for it. No one is immune from this. All of us are descended from people who lived without the scientific method.
December 13th, 2007 at 12:58 pm
Hitler posed as a Christian to win support from the eccliastic leaders. Not only was he critical of Christianity in private, his understanding of Christianity was way off – he redefined it as he saw it, not as it self-defined.
He is probably better described as a social darwininst.
December 16th, 2007 at 11:58 am
Who cares whether Hitler was an atheist or a Christian. No doubt, thousands of people who followed him were in fact Christians and agreed with his evil views. All this says to me is that there are good and bad people in every belief system. By the way, just because Hitler did evil things does not mean that he was an atheist. Atheists do have a very valid basis for morality and it’s called compassion. It is something we evolved to have. If we didn’t have it, we would not have survived as a species.
December 21st, 2007 at 11:48 pm
Thank you for #2. As a person who believes in evolution, it seriously irks me when uninformed people immediately dismiss evolution by saying “Oh, you seriously believe we came from MONKEYS?!”.
Well said Lori. One bad person cannot speak for a religion/belief as a whole. And on this board too. Just because there are some insulting people on this board doesn’t speak for atheists as a whole. Likewise with bible-thumpers and Muslim extremists. Everyone should stop drinking the hatorade and just chill. You can’t say it’s mostly one side that does the insulting – you’re just generalizing.
January 4th, 2008 at 8:28 am
we share 99% of our DNA with chimps, and both chimps and humans are apes not monkeys.
January 6th, 2008 at 10:12 am
JT:Actually, the flying fox bat can’t echolocate.
January 7th, 2008 at 6:16 pm
Hitler was an atheist.
Just like all radical, hate monger Muslims are Atheist.
“The moment one raises his hand to a neighbor in the name of his faith, he renounces his faith.”
That, my friends is Superman.
So, let’s say for the sake of argument Hitler was a Christian. He may have believed it, but he twisted it into something else. My religion is a religion of love. He turned it into one of hate. Its the same thing radical Muslims are doing now. Islam by itself is actually extremely peaceful. However, certain followers of it give it a bad name.
Joe: I disagree with you. But..I’m not going to argue. You seem to have a very strong belief. I respect that in a person.
I believe in God. I won’t argue about it, because frankly, theres no point to. It’s MY BELIEF. Not anyone else’s. I don’t have to listen to what someone else says. I’m not going to try to change what someone believes..and do you know why?
I don’t care.
I have friends who are Atheists. We get along, because we don’t try to convert each other.
And so I ask…can’t we all just..get along?
Let’s go back to talking about which way a toilet spins in Australia =D
January 10th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
my friends grandad fought with the wermacht and he says they were told that the virgin mary was a whore and to burn the churches in french villages.
January 11th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
Can I make the conclusion to this toilet debate very easy for all of you? I am one of the proud few who live in the Southern Hemisphere where we walk upside down and hamburgers eat people.
I am quite happy to field any requests to flush toilets and/or track weather patterns hundreds of KILOMETRES in size like cyclones
January 15th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
i have never heard the phrase ”just desserts”
January 21st, 2008 at 7:40 pm
Yet another Nice list.
Joe knows his shit, but still, get life dude.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:41 am
meiliken:u r making a common misconception. a scientific theory (e.g., evolution) is a well supported, strongly evident guess or hunch.
January 22nd, 2008 at 4:46 am
for me the font size is bigger in 2-5
January 28th, 2008 at 5:09 am
sahelanthropithecus was a humanoid monkey
January 28th, 2008 at 5:10 am
water does spin in different directions it is just not due to the earth’s rotation
February 19th, 2008 at 12:17 pm
About Hitler: regardless of his true beliefs or his actions, if he identified himself as Christian, he was Christian. Because, in all honesty, I can pretty safely assume none of you Christians truly follow the laws of the Bible, since, yeah, you have possessions you haven’t sold (like computers, natch). And don’t kill all non-believers. And don’t sacrifice bulls on altars. And trim the hairs at your temples. If you folks can be Christian, so can Hitler.
February 19th, 2008 at 2:50 pm
About Hitler: regardless of his true beliefs or his actions, if he identified himself as Christian, he was Christian.
that is the most foolish logic i’ve ever heard. I won’t deconstruct it with examples, it is just plain illogical.
I can pretty safely assume none of you Christians truly follow the laws of the Bible
If you think that following the laws of the bible makes one a christian, you don’t understand what it means to be a Christian, except in the cultural and rule-obeying sense.
to be a christian means to (1) BELIEVE something, (2) KNOW someone, and (3) OBEY his commands – in that order.
And there are clear biblical reasons why we don’t give away our possessions (there is no command to do that), or kill unbelievers (Jesus taught ‘love your enemies’), or sacrifice bulls (Jesus’ death ended the sacrificial system), or trim hair (again, Jesus’ life and death put an end to all ceremonial and dietary laws). While you still may have a valid point to contend, the straw man examples you gave are all dismissed easily by a even a superficial understanding of christianity.
Don, you seriously need to use your brain to study xianity, rather than your knee.
February 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
I’m not sure about 2.
Now-extinct monkeys evolved into now-extinct apes, one branch of which evolved into humans. So I think it’s fair to say that humans evolved from monkeys.
And while there are arguments about whether Sahelanthropus tchadensis is part of the human or gorilla lineage (or neither), I don’t think it’s thought to be the common ancestor of both
February 25th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
“that is the most foolish logic i’ve ever heard. I won’t deconstruct it with examples, it is just plain illogical.”
It all depends on how we interpret “identified himself as a Christian”. If he called himself a Christian to gain support without the actual beliefs then yes the logic is foolish. If however Hitler believed that he was a Christian then to a certain extent he was. Okay, so his beliefs may have been/be different from the “typical” Christian but if some of the basic foundations were there then a part of him was a Christian. He seemed to have some belief system, and so I feel it would be fair to say that he was religious although I can’t say for sure (and don’t believe anyone else can either).
It’s possible that he was a Christian, but had his own beliefs which he incorporated into the “normal” Christian beliefs, thus making it his own branch of Christianity. Sure, few to none would/will ever share those beliefs but that doesn’t make him an atheist (which, I acknowledge you never actually said he was) or any less Christian. I guess what I’m trying to say that it’s perfectly possible to say that if he thought he was a Christian then he was, after all, there is more than one branch to Christianity (Roman Catholic, Protestant). These branches may not agree with each other on every point but they are still identified as Christianity so it is perfectly possible for Hitler to have been a Christian also. Of course, it’s also possible that he thought he was a Christian when his beliefs may have more closely followed another religion which he didn’t know of or understand.
Regardless, I don’t think we’ll ever know for sure what his beliefs were and to be honest it doesn’t matter. The only benefit from knowing his religious thoughts would be to add fuel to an argument between one religion (or non-religion) and another which is really of no benefit at all. The misconception was that he was an Atheist, whether he was a Christian or not is irrelevant. If he believed in a god/gods, then he was not atheist, pure and simple.
February 27th, 2008 at 11:07 am
Having lived both north of the equator and now south of it, I can say that the coriolis effect for water draining from toilets, tubs, sinks, and showers does not exist.
When I first moved to Rio de Janeiro, I checked it because I thought being rather far south of the line, it would work. Wrong! I had to explain to my wife what I was doing and she had never even heard of it. OK, I was embarrassed in front of my bride. Oh well, not the last time, either.
March 3rd, 2008 at 4:28 pm
Neverknew no.5 :-O That’s….uh…..I don’t know…..
May 14th, 2008 at 10:49 am
I read somewhere that the plural for Octopus isn’t Octopi but is actually Octopodes…is this true?
June 7th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Octopi is fine, but the most widely used plural is octopuses.
June 7th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Nice list. Number 1 cleared me up. But I don’t understand why people make a huge deal about the direction of draining water. What would it matter which direction it does spin? Would that end world hunger?
June 7th, 2008 at 10:24 pm
Bob Jones:
10.) That doesn’t prove he was short.
9.) What’s your point?
8.) The Tunguska meteoroid did not explode due to high internal temperatures of the meteoroid itself, but because of airburst. The heat generated by air compression caused it to explode as the airburst energy exceeded the adhesive force of the meteoroid.
7.) This is true and the Foucault pendulum does not disprove it.
6.) This doesn’t make them blind.
5.) This is also true. And it is incorrect to say wrong to indicate something not correct. Right and wrong refer to ethics.
4.) It does.
3.) Too many mixed opinions here.
2.) Evolution through natural selection.
1.) Can’t tamper with this eh?
July 20th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
Wow… It really is amazing to actually find some people that finally have a open mind.
I live in the Baptist Belt of East Texas and.. well let’s just say i get condemned for some of beliefs. Or non-beliefs. Whatever.
But Joe.. man i take my hat off to you for saying everything you have.
I don’t know if this a belief.. but i believe in happiness and love. Plain and simple.. be happy with the life you have in this world and love… well that just builds that happiness.
Jesus Christ was a great man.. but thats all he was. His ideals which i believe should be the basis of everything.. but people nowadays worship that man. Not his ideals. They believe in old testament bullshit that angers me to the level that it really should just be labeled fiction.
I’m not a moral vacuum. I like to follow some of the things in the bible they got right. Not because someone tells me, not because of faith, but because i think it is right. a basis of moral system is great, but really only because i’m a person that believes in not being a asshole. But someone telling me i’m going to hell because i don’t believe in a higher authority? to hell with that.
I’m not condemning christians.. like i said i believe in some of their ideals. I’m condemning the stupid bullshit that some people believe in because its in some damn book. People have the right to believe what they want.. But religion needs to open its eyes and see the truth
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:15 am
I can’t speak for most of this list but I know a couple things are true. The water swirling, at my house (located in the northern hemi in middle of US) 2 of my toilets swirl COUNTERclockwise, while all 3 of the sinks and 1 toilet (different design from the other 2) swirl CLOCKWISE.
The other one is about the chameleons, while I can’t say for 100% based on various breeds I have 3 chameleons, Mediterranean Chameleon, a Two horned Chameleon and a generic guy I couldn’t tell you about. I’ve had them for years, my college roo mate bought one the same time I bought Houdini (the Mediterranean, and oldest of the group) I have never seen them match a background in a way I would assume was for camo, in fact just the opposite has happened, Houdini changes into a dark dark green/brown when he is stressed, and one day while on our sandstone tile in the kitchen our dog got very excited and was running around making Houdini upset (he is quite small to the trampling around dog) and he turned his dark color, and remained so for a while even after putting him up on a light brown chair he could mimic the color of. It would seem to reason he should change to mimic but stayed a pretty dark contrast. The other two have shown the same reactions before. Now as I said there are hundreds of types, and some just can’t turn certain colors, but I would agree that its a misconception about their ability
October 24th, 2008 at 9:33 pm
#2 is misleading. If by monkeys you mean primates (which I believe you do), then (scientists believe) we certainly did evolve from primates. Another reader already mentioned that chimpanzees are apes, not monkeys. Both are primates, though, and the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees was quite obviously also an ape (and therefore necessarily a primate). And ancestors farther back were probably monkey-like (they may or may not have fit in the category as it is defined for current species, but were probably – based on fossil evidence – quite similar in many respects to living monkeys). You are correct, however, that at present the generally accepted date for the split between humans and chimps is 5-7 mya. So, scientists DO, in fact, believe that we evolved from “monkees.” Heck, you all might be in denial, but not only did we evolve from apes, but we still ARE apes (albeit overly intelligent apes with art, spirituality, and complicated emotions – true love, pure hate, long-lasting grievance, etc. – that have never been seriously attested for any animal).
December 4th, 2008 at 3:54 am
I don’t think you have a clue as to how much ammo #2 has given me…
December 4th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
JT (37)- “I know Herr Hitler very well personally and am quite close to him. He has an unusually honourable character, full of profound kindness, is religious, a good Catholic.” – Rudolph Hess, private letter
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I think the “honourable character, full of profound kindness” bit kinda negates the validity of the rest of what is said…
December 4th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
OK, so have a question (firmly hypothetical)… If I called someone an idiot, simpleton, brainwashed moron because of the color of their skin, then I would probably get banned from this site (after what I´m guessing would be hundreds of angry posts about what a horrible racist I am).
Why is it not OK to insult someone based on their race but it IS OK to call someone with religious views all sorts of names?
Go ahead and argue your point but I really dont see any reason to insult the people who believe in them.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
GTT: I think the main reason that this sort of thing happens is that a black man can’t change his skin color, whereas a person can change his religious affiliation (and many do seem to on a regular basis). It has always been bad manners to make references to something a person cannot change. Having said that, I would remove any comments that were offensive about a person regardless of creed or race. I wouldn’t, however, remove comments on the merit of one religion over another (or none at all) and I have also left comments by people who have tried to argue the merits (from a physiological basic) of race. I don’t agree with them, but as long as it is not being used in an insulting way – I see no reason to suppress debate.
So, just to clarify, if you call someone a nigger – I will remove your comment. If you call someone a Catholic scum, I will remove it as well.
December 4th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
jfrater: I wasn´t necessarily referring to the moderation of comments on this site… It was a more a call to posters to keep their comments slightly less nasty…
Just because I have the choice to change my religious views, and knowingly chose to have faith, does not make me a moron, idiot, brainwashed or “out of touch with reality”.
If you are trying to make a point and you attack the other person, then you have lost the point of a healthy debate and just descended into name-calling.
December 4th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
GTT: ah – point taken – thanks
December 11th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
Water DOES change spin. On an episode of Long Way Down it shows you.
December 11th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Charlie, water does not change spin due to being north or south of the equator. No matter what some wacky TV show says, it is NOT true. I have lived on both sides of the equator and I can state from personal experimentation, that it is the design of the fixture, toilet, sink, or bathtub and its associated plumbing that makes the difference. Several other people on here have stated the same thing. S0 who ya gonna call?
December 14th, 2008 at 2:46 am
some people think hitler was an atheist? most of hollocaust was based on religious convictions…
and the rest of that one is rather provoking; trying to claim that christians have higher moral standards.. pfft! not at all. many times have atheists been evicted from their homes and fired from work after confiding to being an atheist.
religious tolerance my ass.
ghostbusters?
December 16th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Sahelanthropus tchadensis was an ape, so according to the theory of evolution, we are descended from apes.
Some bats are blind and some chameleons do change color as a means of camouflage.
January 9th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Neat. Though, according to my anthropology professor, that number for the DNA we have in common with chimpanzees is 99.6%
It’s amazing how little it takes in our genes to make something entirely different.
February 10th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I think it is so hard to disprove any comment made today, with the Internet fertilizing the garden of Bullshit. How can any of the facts above be credible? How can we believe something when evidence/theories are so scarcely understood. I don’t believe in a God, nor do i trust science. In the end, belief is such a personal trait, and as a follower of science, you must accept that it is human nature to want comfort in faith, and as a follower of religion you must accept that everyone is entitled to their own conceptions.
Why debate the conflict of religion and science when you could be watching porn, or downloading pirated movies and music.
Johno:)
February 27th, 2009 at 6:24 am
James Smith: Go watch this, it’s what Charlie’s talking about. Then tell us ‘who ya gonna call’.
February 27th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I watched it and let me ask you. Do you believe everything you see on youtube? This is a couple of idiots that know nothing of physics or apparently anything else. If this idea had any merit at all, nothing would happen that close to the equator.
I believe the evidence of my own eyes, and that of serious science. Not stupid youtube videos or fools like you.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
James Smith: Excellent! We’ll just agree to disagree then. I won’t even stoop to your level by insulting you. Have a good one!
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:14 pm
What you consider an insult just might be a simple statement of observed facts. Another easily observed fact and one that has been stated on here several times is that being above or below the equator has no effect on which way water drains.
It is true that the Coriolis effect does change the way atmospheric storms and ocean current behave, but it has been demonstrated and proven conclusively that is does not affect small bodies of water like bathtubs, sinks, and toilets. Keep in mind that I have lived on both sides of the equator, currently the south, and have had ample opportunity to observe this for myself.
So you can disagree as much as it pleases you. But I recommend to you Rule 15: “Beliefs, no matter how sincerely held, do not alter facts.”
March 3rd, 2009 at 12:51 am
I acted very quickly before in saying I saw it on a TV program and would like to answer, Ghost busters. Oh, how predictable of me.
March 18th, 2009 at 9:51 am
I like the second one.
And one more thing.
Algebra was invented in india. Arabs stoled that.
And also Aryabhatt of India already told that the earth was round centuries before Copernicus!!!!!
March 18th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Harrel – those are interesting. Have you any references for them? I would like to follow them. These make interesting points.
March 24th, 2009 at 11:45 am
it’s funny to me that hitler riled people up by talking about Jesus’s death at the hands of the jews. in reality, Jesus Himself was a jew who died at the hands of the romans, though the jewish sanhedrin did promote it. so hitler had it sort of backward.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
This chameleon certainly changes colors to match his surroundings
http://www.yourdailymedia.com/media/1237941578/Cool_Chameleon
March 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
the duck myth is untrue (like stated above) i watched a thing on animal planet where they were experimenting with ducks and echos and ducks quacks do indeed echo =]
April 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
It got to the point that a respected scientist actually decided to take valuable time out of his day, when he could be curing cancer or something else unimportant, to test this theory.
i hope you meant “something else important.” because i think curing cancer’s kind of importany
April 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
In reference to #4…why is it that everyone thinks that all scientists should be curing cancer???
People need to understand that “scientist” is not synonymous with “cancer specialist in pharmaceutical research and development” anymore than “laborer” is synonymous with “specialist in red brick laying on the upper third of north wall of 100 story buildings in southern Utah.”
April 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
229. synapse : Actually it is, however if I said that scientist was synonomous with “oncologist specialising in metasticized lung tumours located in the upper left region of the right kidney”, then we might be talking
April 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
230. Mark: I’m just a bitter non-cancer research scientist with a Ph.D. that can’t find a job, so I’m a lot frustrated at all of my life choices at the moment. Not trying to pick a fight.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
231. synapse : I’m just an annoying teenager looking for a laugh, don’t take it personally. Do you mind if I ask what field you are in though?
April 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 am
J-frater – More people have been killed in the name of god than for any other reason, and none of them justly; to try and determine whether someone believes in/adheres to, a god by observing their actions would leave you in quite a godless world i’m afraid.
Also I get sick and tired of seeing people called hero, for doing “all they can do” when it’s hardly “all they can do”, I mean God forbid the frickin’ pope, mouthpiece of the church should have to endanger himself too much for a righteous cause such as halting genocide, it would certainly be too much to ask for a man of his stature to do something…I don’t know, totally selfless. But then again God did like him well enough to give him a summer home big enough to house 3,000 people and still have room to use his private apts. as nurseries, that’s pretty cool. How do I get to be so humbled by the Lord?… Gimmee a break. The hierarchy of the church is a crock, and so are MOST of the people in it, practically all of them chasing many-roomed houses of their own. Read the history of your religion before you adhere to it to completely, and you may find yourself referring to things like “the christian lie” as well.
rph20dbp- I believe you mean “also sprach zarathustra” or “thus spoke zoroaster”
April 27th, 2009 at 4:01 am
Napoleon really was a small man. I’ve seen the green overcoat he wears in paintings at the Army Museum in Paris and it was tiny. Looked like it was made for a present-day child, actually.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
number 4 has also been proven on mythbusters that a ducks quack DOES echo….i love mythbusters don’t you?? lol
May 25th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I wouldn’t agree with number 7. Even my hydraulics professor told me it’s true that water spins in different directions in the two hemispheres. I can say that he is a well known college engineer with many publications. I am a little skeptic of him making such a simple mistake.
May 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Well, Alvin water does NOT spin in different directions in different hemispheres. I have proven that for myself and so have many others.
You will find that many things you are told in school are obsolete or were wrong at the time. This will be just one of many. If you believe everything you are told without question, you will never learn to think for yourself. Isn’t that the purpose of education? To learn to think and examine reality for yourself? This would be a good place to start.
June 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
ive seen number 7 work on a t.v show where they were at the equator.. it was called ‘the long way down’ about Ewan Mcgregor and Charley Borman(sp) on a motorbike journey.. some guy showed them that they wer at the equator by putting a matchstick in a small cone thing with water in it… the water came out the bottom and as it did the matchstick rotated one way…he walked down the road and did it again and it rotated the otherway… then he did it exactly on the equator and the matchstick didnt rotate
September 4th, 2009 at 8:25 am
A commonly held misconception is thinking that misconception means when u fire it up the bum hole by mistake.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:12 am
“He also ridiculed occultism and neo-Paganism that was relatively popular in Germany at the time.”
Hitler was actually very fond of paganism. He got his ideas of the ‘Aryan Race’ from pagan occult myths. There is some video footage on YouTube of the Nazis rejecting Christianity and embracing Paganism. During the documentary, the narrator reads out this following quote from Hitler:
“We will wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race.”
Anyone who says that Hitler was an atheist is wrong but anyone who says that Hitler was a Christian is also wrong. He was the leader and inventor of his own Nazi religion. He absolutely detested Christianity. He wanted people to worship him rather than Jesus. He sent Christian clergymen to prison camps to be murdered and he established the Reich Church which had the Swastika as its symbol rather than the Christian Cross and the Bible was replaced with Mein Kampf.
November 19th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Like any politician (especially a dictator who was in power for 12 years) Hitler has many quotes on religion.
Hitler wanted to destroy Christianity. Until he could, he said a lot of things to appease the Christian population.
http://org.law.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion/articles/RJLR_3_1_2.pdf