Top 10 Obscure But Superb Science Fiction Novels
- Published April 18, 2008 - 272 Comments
Sturgeon’s Law states that “90% of science fiction is shit — 90% of everything is shit” but, even though literally tons of crappy SF gets published every year, sometimes the absolute best gets shuffled into obscurity. Here, then, are ten novels that should have been elevated far above the stink of the heap… but somehow never got the buzz they deserve. Selections move from “should have sold much better” to “should be considered a true classic” as the list counts down. [Competition: Whoever makes the 100th comment on this list will receive their choice of any one of these books. Be sure to register.]
Original title: You Sane Men, easier to find as Bloodworld. The problem with Janifer is that he was, well, a hack. He wrote professionally for fifty years. Pick up any given Janifer book and you will probably be disappointed. Although, he did garner a Hugo nomination in 1960 as the co-author (under the pseudonym Mark Phillips) with Randall Garrett for Brain Twister, a novel that thankfully did not win. However, in the blind-pig-finds-an-acorn model, Janifer knocked the ball out of the park with Bloodworld (to mix a couple of metaphors). Essentially, the fine ruling menfolk on a colonized planet remain “sane” and capable of fulfilling their social obligations by torturing underclass women as a recreational activity. For its time, it was definitely provocative and probably an intentional attempt to write a “shocking” novel. Still, the torture scenes are painted with a nicely consistent “this-is-normal-and-right” tone… until the protagonist develops feelings for one of his whipping-lasses, and the morality play starts. Gene Wolfe fans are especially encouraged to check this one out.
While I admit to a personal preference for so-called “Golden Age” science fiction, works can’t be “lost” to the back shelves of used bookstores and the ferret-warrens of Internet traders while they’re available on the shelves of Borders or Barnes & Noble. Skinner, as a 1985 title, might be cutting it a little close, but that’s still almost a quarter-century. And with no reviews or descriptions found on Amazon, it’s at least overlooked somewhat.
Anyway, our down-and-out anti-hero protagonist finds himself shipped off to a desert world and deeply in debt. The planet is owned and managed by a “family company” for the production of their one great monopoly… dragonhides. The critters, not real dragons but might as well be, are big nasty reptiles living in the desert sands, and their skins are nearly indestructible. A skinner goes out (with his gear and supplies brought from the company store and increasing his debt, of course) and does his best to kill these beasties without getting killed himself so he can haul the skins back. The company even has a nursery where they hatch and raise baby dragons, and that work is deadly, too. Throw in rival factions within the family controlling the company, and you have a fairly-straightforward adventure that could well have been set in a 1890s coal town. But it isn’t, and the dragon-work is interesting to read. It’ll never be a classic, but Skinner is satisfying genre-stuff.
Another hack, but a true pulp-fiction hack. Will Jenkins wrote thousands of short pieces under a variety of pseudonyms for such genres as westerns, romances, jungle adventure, horror, radio scripts, etc plus what he is best-known for — science fiction under the nom Murray Leinster. His short story “First Contact” is in the Hall of Fame anthology, as it should be. If it is remembered long enough, it may well be exactly how our ships and those of the aliens manage not to fight when first encountering one another in the depths of interstellar space.
But the vast majority of Leinster stuff is uninspired, and that is being kind. The Greks Bring Gifts is an exception. The title (sic; one e not two in Greks) is a play on the Trojan Horse myth. What we have is this large spaceship with aloof, somewhat creepy Greks in it coming to earth. They are a schoolship for spaceworkers, and they have a class of likable, furry Aldarians aboard. Might be a good learning experience for them to make contact with a new race, the humans. Oh yes, the Greks will give us what technology they can that might help us, free of charge. Just the neighborly thing to do. And almost unlimited broadcast energy is the biggie to us humans. Why build more internal combustion cars when pretty soon everyone will have a broadcast-powered car? So sorry, the Greks must be on their way now, but things will work out, you’ll see, all of these current economic difficulties notwithstanding. And about the Aldarians….
William Sleator is a name unfamiliar to many adult science fiction fans, yet he has made a living for 30+ years writing fiction that is mostly of a sci-fi nature. However, it is young adult science fiction. Not Spaceship Under The Apple Tree style “kiddie sf” — more along the lines of Heinlein juveniles, though with far less science. Podkayne of Mars rather than Rocketship Gallileo. But stylistically completely different, as Sleator specializes in weird moods and bizarre situations. House of Stairs, written in 1974, is truly weird and definitely a bizarre situation. While I haven’t read the entirety of Sleator’s science fiction output, this novel is — pardon me — light years beyond the other works of his I have read. It’s really hard to provide a synopsis that isn’t a spoiler for the new reader’s freakazoid reaction to what transpires, but I’ll try. Understand that the following is as bare-bones as possible, on purpose. A group of adolescents who don’t know one another awake to find themselves in a strange place. Stairways and landings ramble everywhere in three dimensions, and that is all they see. It’s chilly, and there is no food or water. Then, on occassion, they get fed some nutrient bars by machinery. That’s all I’m saying about the plot. The book really makes you realize that you’re pretty normal, because you would have to consider whether this book is appropriate for other people’s precious little snowflakes to read and because of a concept I can’t mention without spoiling. But apparently no one has a problem with this book.
Hal Clement was the quintessential old-school “hard” science fiction author. In fact, most of his novels are probably unreadable to the majority of today’s science fiction readers because of voluminous passages coming across as graduate-level lectures in physics and exobiology. Even fans of the new revival of science in science fiction, as typified by the justly popular works of Robert J. Sawyer, may find Clement books to be a perfect cure for insomnia. But, as befitting a longtime professor of chemistry and astonomy, the science is as genuine as possible for its time periods, meticulously worked out, and free from errors. Clement garnered fame and critical acclaim for 1954’s Mission of Gravity, a novel about humans directing intelligent centipede explorers on a high-grav world (where a fall from three feet near the poles is certain death) to retrieve readings from a crashed probe near the equator where the gravity is much less extreme. So much for the classics…. Iceworld features far less science than his other works — though there is no escaping science in a Clement book. We see the alien viewpoint even more than the human one in this tale of intergalactic drug smuggling. The drug is tobacco, the only drug the aliens have ever found which results in full-blown do-anything addiction from a single dose. The “Iceworld” is Earth — to the aliens, anywhere water can be a liquid is unbelievably cold. Excellent character portayals of both humans and aliens, and altogether an absorbing read. Note: none of the above is much of a spoiler — it’s the set-up.

Creator of the famed Travis McGee series, McDonald is considered by the world to be a mystery writer. As a Grand Master award winner, he certainly is that. But McDonald was a first-rate science fiction author as well. His numerous SF short stories, sold to magazines, consistently show fine craftsmanship and an understanding of the genre… they never disappoint. One could do worse than to pick up his seminal collection, Other Times, Other Worlds. Of his three longer science fiction works, Ballroom Of The Skies is probably the best. Heavy on sometimes stilted dialogue in the beginning, and using more exposition in the latter stages as the characters become involved with greater events, the novel essentially explores the fundamental question of why humans seem driven towards war and self-imposed disaster, even as their other activities strive towards bettering living standards and the human condition. Of course, there is a sinister explanation….
I hesitated to place this book on the list, because Foster fans are legion. Thus, lots of people have probably at least heard of this book, even if they haven’t read it. It garners its place largely because many other works by Foster are so well-known it seems that this one has been largely ignored except for a minority of people like me who have accorded it cult status. It might well be the best alien biosphere ever described. The planet is all jungle, towering to dizzying heights of chlorophyll fecundity with a hellish swampy twilight at the surface. Human descendents of a long-ago spaceship crash live in the “mid” levels of the world, hence the title. At first glance they are primitive savages, but their ability to survive in a truly inimical environment has made them far more intimately familar with their surroundings than any Native American culture ever was. Then, a corporation illegally arrives on the planet to exploit its lush plant life for medicinal purposes. Our hero (considered rash and a weird-thinker by his tribe) along with his furcot — a native companion who can speak and has a much closer relationship to man than our dogs — agrees to guide two stranded scientists back to their treetop base. Spectacular depictions of alien lifeforms. A “live with the rainforest, don’t exploit it motif,” which succeeds without pissing off political conservatives like me (no mean feat, that). And a revealed secret that makes the otherwise worthwhile pure gold.
Spinrad is quite well-known, especially for his 1969 novel Bug Jack Barron, which was a precursor to cyberpunk. Agent Of Chaos (1967) is his second novel. I hope too many eyes don’t roll to the back of too many heads when it is stated that this can only be described as political science fiction. Those who detest politics can still enjoy it, as the backdrop is Heinleinien space opera at its finest. But politics do take center stage, and one could even say that meta-politics is the theme here. So we have a totalitarian government (the Hegemony) and an underground rebel conspiracy (the Democratic Movement). The latter professes to work for individual liberty. But as these factions struggle, the Agents of Chaos — known to the public as the Brotherhood of Assassins — often intervene with random acts of violence that could favor the Hegemony on Tuesday and the Movement on Thursday. Just what is their agenda? The reader learns early on that their agenda truly is Chaos, but for definable political reasons which are slowly revealed. Central to the book is the concept of entropy, even in political systems. The Hegemony strives for Order and elimination of randomness, so of course a reaction occurs (the Movement) to challenge that move towards order. But the Agents have other ideas. Wait till you learn what the Agents consider to be the Ultimate Chaotic Act!

William Tenn was the pseudonym of Penn State professor Philip Klass. In the 50s and 60s, he wrote tons of science fiction short stories for Galaxy and Astounding. Almost universally, those stories were humorous and/or satirical, written in a breezy, fast-reading style. The majority have been reprinted countless times in various collections over the years. Yet, he wrote only one true science fiction novel: Of Men And Monsters. And even that one is somewhat short and easily read in a single sitting. But it is excellent and quite original, even though its premise sounds like standard fare. Gigantic mantis-like aliens have conquered earth and set up living quarters in equally gigantic houses. But scattered remnants of humanity survive, literally living like mice in the walls of the alien homes. And like mice, they must brave death in order to steal food. The true grace of the book is its development of the tribal culture(s) mankind adopts under these trying conditions. And of course, there is a rebellious spirit in our protagonist… leading him to upset the human social order.
Russell himself is under-appreciated by today’s science fiction community. But he was, in fact, the favorite writer of both legendary editor John W. Campbell and author Alan Dean Foster (source: conversation between the two, as described by Foster in his introduction to The Best of Eric Frank Russell). Some of Russell’s short stories are held in high regard — “Allamagoosa” and others have been reprinted over and over, and in hall of fame or other “greatest of all time” anthologies. His novels… not so much.
Wikipedia reports that a recent blip in interest has been seen over Wasp as a result of a reprinting in 2000, and the subsequent events of September 11, 2001. Because, you see, our protagonist employs effective terrorist tactics… which are depicted in the book with dark humor combined with more than tacit approval. Government approval, in fact. Spoiler alert: Wiki’s plot synopsis is essentially a complete outline of the book in paragraph form!
Anyway, Wasp, written in 1957, is short and just outright fun to read. The title refers to the fact that the seemingly inconsequential can have disproportionate results — an example is given of a wasp which distracts a driver to cause a multi-car crash, thus tying up lots of manpower and money to deal with the aftermath. James Mowry becomes a government-trained wasp, dropped alone in disguise on an enemy planet during a fierce war with earth. Actually, this is somewhat similar to the Allies dropping solo paratroopers behind German lines in WWII, with instructions to sever communications, work with the underground, and generally make pesky nuisances of themselves. Which in the book Mowry does with derring-do, close calls, a contempt for authority, and witty if dark humor. The tricks and tactics he employs really make the book sing (a few simple stickers are amazing in their effect). Combine that with a character who detests the authority of his own government but figures that of the totalitarian enemy to be worse, and it should be a classic rather than a barely-known.
Contributor: grubthrower






















April 18th, 2008 at 4:09 am
Well this list puts me to shame, I consider myself quite a SF fan and I haven’t heard of any of these! I really want to read “House of Stairs” now, sounds interesting…
April 18th, 2008 at 4:16 am
I read House of Stairs a couple of years ago.
I thought it was pretty much horribly written.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:28 am
Most of them look interesting. Too bad someone will probably hit 100 while I’m asleep.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:30 am
Wow, I never read any science fiction but I am really considering it now, those books sound amazing.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:30 am
I wonder of Stephen King borrowed the label of “mid-world” in the Dark Tower series from Foster.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:47 am
wow, it is amazing how deep some people’s knowledge can go on any given subject. i didn’t know most of the books on the best of sci-fi list. i would have a better change speaking arabic than knowing any of these.
April 18th, 2008 at 4:49 am
Will someone that has won a contest before be eligible to win again?
April 18th, 2008 at 4:51 am
Oh, any by the way… this is a fantastic list.
April 18th, 2008 at 5:00 am
If only I had time to read all of these.. :/
April 18th, 2008 at 5:04 am
I read wasp when I was a just a lad. I never knew the author.
Truely one of the best hidden SF stories.
many many thanks for this list.
April 18th, 2008 at 5:19 am
I haven’t read any of these either, i feel like a heel. lol. I am pretty sure i will buy purchasing all eventually.
April 18th, 2008 at 5:47 am
Winston yes – past winners can still enter
DiscHuker: I believe the contributor owns over 6,000 Sci-Fi books! True dedication!
April 18th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Great List, I can’t wait to read WASP, and John D. MacDonald is wonderful. I don’t know how obscure it is, but I kind of like Harry Harrison’s Deathworld Trilogy. I know it is not near as popular as the Rat books – but it is a damn fine romp. The Pyrrus (sp?) part is the strongest of the lot. The characters are painted a little broadly but it is still a fun read. Kind of like the Dirk Pitt of the SF world.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Great list, well written I think. I haven’t even heard of any of the authors, let alone the books! I really like the sound of ‘Bloodworld’ and ‘House of Stairs’ though. I love the “make pesky nuisances of themselves” in entry #1!
April 18th, 2008 at 6:29 am
I read House of Stairs when I was in Jr. High. – a very long time ago. For some reason i don’t remember much about it except the machine tossing out food once in a while. Guess I’ll have to find it and read it again.
April 18th, 2008 at 7:10 am
I must also add my congratulations to grubthrower for such a well written article that covers books that so few people know!
April 18th, 2008 at 7:21 am
i actually read “House of Stairs” and i didn’t find it too intriguing, but my age might’ve played a factor in forming an opinion.
April 18th, 2008 at 7:29 am
And I thought I knew more than enough about sci-fi novels… not one of these. NOT ONE did I know of! (Okay, I’d heard of House of Stairs, but the rest I had no idea about).
I thought Hodgson’s ‘The Night Land’ was as obscure as it gets… (or was I too ignorant already by saying such a thing?
)
PS. Has the ‘comment posting etiquette’ link always been there? Creepy…
April 18th, 2008 at 7:58 am
Add me as a scifi fan who hadnt heard of any of these. What a list grub!
April 18th, 2008 at 8:01 am
am i the only person who loves stephen r donaldson’s Gap series?
April 18th, 2008 at 8:13 am
If that’s the case then today was a good day to be sick and house-bound.
April 18th, 2008 at 8:27 am
Interesting list. I need to read more SF…
April 18th, 2008 at 8:30 am
i read iceworld, it was freaking awesome!
April 18th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I just finished reading a great sci-fi book that one of my friend’s told me about called Under My Roof, by a man named Nick Mamatas. I had never heard of him before, but my friend said it was really good, so I thought I’d check it out. I’m glad I did, it was freaking awesome!
April 18th, 2008 at 9:15 am
I’ve never read any of these, or even heard of them. I’ll definitely be looking into a few of them, once I read the other books this site has forced me to purchase!
April 18th, 2008 at 9:43 am
These all sound pretty cool. It seems like the plot of the game Assassin’s Creed is very similar to the premise of Agent of Chaos.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:51 am
I’m not really a science fiction fan (but political fiction? Definitely a favorite.), but I really like this list. I think Christopher Pike would be an excellent addition too. He wrote both young adult and adult horror novels with a science fiction twist.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:52 am
Well, nowhere near 100
. I’ve only heard of Hal Clement, and that was because I took a science-fiction course in college.
LIST SUGGESTION: same things with short stories.
April 18th, 2008 at 9:58 am
Im Back 100 here i come. Bloodworld is higher on my list
April 18th, 2008 at 9:59 am
we need a star wars list
April 18th, 2008 at 10:00 am
or top ten george lucas movies
April 18th, 2008 at 10:03 am
how bout them polygamists?
April 18th, 2008 at 10:05 am
That would be kind of a boring list, though- Star Wars IV, Star Wars V, Star Wars VI, Indiana Jones, Indiana Jones II…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:07 am
Agent of Chaos? More like Erisian Liberation Front member, PARATHEO-ANAMETAMYSTIKHOOD OF ERIS ESOTERIC, amirite?
April 18th, 2008 at 10:07 am
i need to start a petition so that lucas does the final 3 episodes he originally planned. whos in
April 18th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Mate, i’m definitely going to get my hands on some of these if i can! I ws always more of a fantasy person when i was little, but the older i get the more i branch my tastes out… My dad read house of stairs years ago and said it was one of the strangest books he’s read, so taht could be interesting!
badlist: oh god, there are a few star wars things that could be turned interesting, but please god not a top ten george lucas movies… I think we could make a bottom 10 Uwe Boll movies, that would at least be entertaining…
Cedestra: 100% agree with you about the short stories!
April 18th, 2008 at 10:13 am
God this makes me want to read again. I used to always have my nose in a sci-fi or horror book. Then life happened. Hmm, anyway. These all sound extremely entertaining. I’m especially interested in House of Stairs, maybe its cuz there was so much mystery behing the story.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Kate: I almost forgot about Christopher Pike.I really enjoyed his The Last Vampire series when I was younger. I couldn’t get enough.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:18 am
badlist: definitely! i think it might be a little bit awkward to get mark hamill to act again (i think that’s what he was attempting to do in the first couple of movies), and to get harrison ford to take a role where he isn’t the star… You know George Lucas was originally planning to kill of Luke at the end of the original episode IV (if released today, it would be episode VII)
April 18th, 2008 at 10:20 am
34. Khafra- The ELF?!? What do *they* burn down? (or not? who knows?)
35. Badlist- Not after what he did to episodes 1-3. I nominate someone posthumously finishing the series for him.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:21 am
I loved Christopher Pike! He was like, a science fiction horror writer for teenagers. The Last Vampite series was his best work, but i had no idea what the hell was going on in number 6… There are some gems in there too, but quite a fair amount of what he created wasn’t great… All the more reason he belongs on this list!
April 18th, 2008 at 10:23 am
he wqasnt responsible for 1 for sure and i dont believe he was responsible for two he was entirely against jar jar binks character he said it was awful
carpe—hammil could handle it…its carrie fisher that would be the mess
April 18th, 2008 at 10:23 am
38. Toolnut- Holy crap, I couldn’t get ENOUGH of his stuff when I was younger. I must have read 20 of his novels, including that series. My first intro to him was the Midnight Club or something like that.
Just a heads up, you guys may want to check out The Ascent of Wonder. It’s a large, hardcover book filled with science-fiction short stories. It’s an incredible compilation. That’s what my class used as their text for the above-mentioned science-fiction course.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:23 am
WoW I loved Christopher Pike too he is a great writer
April 18th, 2008 at 10:26 am
I’ve read a couple of Sleator’s: Interstellar Pig and Singularity. The latter stuck with me even though I read it in junior high.
However, you’ve got no books written by women on that list.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:26 am
Kate & Toolnut: I love Christopher Pike. I had started with the RL Stine stuff, but Pike was more…I dunno, more something than Stine. I loved the Last Vampire series, but I don’t think i read the final book. One of my fave’s was Monster. I didn’t know he wrote any adult horror, I’ll have to look into that, any suggestions?
April 18th, 2008 at 10:27 am
Most of Christopher Pike’s earlier stuff was awesome, Chain Letter, the vampire ones, Monster (my favourite) and Remember Me were all great, but his later ones all tended to follow much the same formula. Still great!
badlist: maybe someone else should have a go making star wars? i know that’s a sin against nature and some part of the universe would probably implode, but he’s had a fairly good run… and yeah, carrie fisher did kinda have her peak before she got all… leatherly looking…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:28 am
tbh i never heard about any of these books, and some of them doesnt sound tempting , but i should give it a try
April 18th, 2008 at 10:32 am
RL Stine was for kids, Christopher Pike was for teenagers. If you go back today and read something by RL Stine, what you found creepy as an 8 year old makes you laugh… I remember the tv show version, it scared the absolute shit out of me sometimes…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:36 am
I’d be interested in HOuse of Stairs, Iceworld, and Men and MOnsters. Might head down to my library to check them out, if I can scrounge up enough money to pay my overdue fees!
April 18th, 2008 at 10:38 am
The Goosebumps books by RL Stine was for kids, but the Fear Street was more for teens, along the same level of Pike, but Pike was just…better at it
April 18th, 2008 at 10:39 am
badlist:
Where are you getting your information? Lucas was *entirely* responsible for “The Phantom Menace.”
Please, enough “Star Wars” and praising George Lucas when people are talking about legitimate literary science fiction. Lucas shouldn’t be mentioned in the same discussion with the likes of Hal Clement and Norman Spinrad.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:40 am
leatherly????? thats low. maybe in the new episodes Leia become an ugly one hit wonder actress with an alcohol problem then shed be great
April 18th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Randall: I absolutely hated episodes 1,2 and 3, never saw 5 and 6, and 4 was ok… Although, i do agree with you.
I was always a commercial science fiction reader, i read all of Isaac Asimov’s stuff, which is brilliant, so it’s great to see some little-known material being brought forward
April 18th, 2008 at 10:44 am
yah im sure lucas isd fine being a hack, randall,….an incredibly rich hack with an enormous following that worships him as a second god, if not their only god.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am
yeah, leathery isn’t low at all after that…
April 18th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Randall, you’re right Lucas doesnt belong here.
He belongs on the list “Top 10 Amazingly, awesome, freakin’ sweet genuises who nearly ruined their legacy by profiteering off us fanboys” ; )
April 18th, 2008 at 10:48 am
i agree with Randall
Lucas is faar far away from this list
April 18th, 2008 at 10:53 am
wow randall this isnt even a debate. he has single handedly changed the way movies are looked qat and made with THX. Im sure there are some fine underground writers but NOBODY compares to THE GODFATHER.
As for the prequel movies…..Star Wars is just like sex even when theyre bad(and sloppy)….theyre still good. Nothing Can compare
April 18th, 2008 at 10:53 am
100! wait… little bit early
April 18th, 2008 at 10:54 am
Najeeb?…..More Like NaNoob
April 18th, 2008 at 10:54 am
62 yes i win
April 18th, 2008 at 10:55 am
badlist, clearly you’ve never had bad sex… it’s not still good… and it’s debatable whether he was good or not back in the day, what’s not even questionable is that he threw up onto the cinema screen with episodes 1, 2 and 3…
islanderbst: that may well be the best description of george lucas i’ve ever heard!
April 18th, 2008 at 10:56 am
I miss blue clicky names
April 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am
And i Still Ate Up That Vomit…..And Ill Have Seconds…..And Possibly Thirds
April 18th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Lucas is more about visual arts, and u can see that in the new 3 Starwars movies
this list is about Science Fiction Novels
NOY 100m Sucky movies
while the original starwars are great
the new ones is bad
and its bad enough that lucas is starting a TV show !!!
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April 18th, 2008 at 11:01 am
Najeeb says:”the new ones is bad”
badlist replies:”so ares your englishes”
what were arguing is whether the final three episodes should be made and the answer is CLEARLY…..Yes… Redemption Is Sweet(And Profitable)
April 18th, 2008 at 11:02 am
I think we all remember the moment we realised that our Episode I sandwhich was filled with shit. For me it was first when jedi master Liam Neeson grabbed Jar Jar’s tongue and i realised it was a cartoon… Of course, episode II manages to one-up that by having Natalie Portman fall out of a plane, and then her response to ‘Are you alright Milady?’ is a heart-warming ‘yes’… Ever seen another movie with Hayden Christensen? He’s not a bad actor, and Natalie Portman was nominated for an Oscar. Put them together on screen, they’re puppets… That’s the director’s fault.
I can understand how it’d be hard when your background is a gigantic green-screen, your co-workers are award-winning actors acting like they’ve gone on a week-long ether binge (yes, i loved Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas…) and the best directions you can get are: ‘Ok Hayden, you’re fighting a monster, react to him. No, react! He’s bigger than that, you’re afraid!’
April 18th, 2008 at 11:03 am
Countdown to Free Crappy book That i will use as a beer and burger coaster……..Let It Begin
April 18th, 2008 at 11:04 am
badlist: I think the final three should be made. Should they be made by George Lucas? The answer is clrealy, a resounding ‘Fuck No’
April 18th, 2008 at 11:05 am
carpe—–that could be one of the best posts ive read on this site in a long time……very impressed
April 18th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Folks; not only is this list about Novels, but about obscure novels. George Lucas’ work is movies. Books written based on the screenplay don’t count. And he is not obscure. Not at all.
By the way The original movie was inspired, the 2nd one (episode 5) moderately ok, and the third one, although cute was dumb. C’mon the last scene? crap. I can’t even be bothered watching the new ones.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:06 am
NO, Hell NO
the final 3 episodes shouldn’t been made, i used to love Lucas for the Starwars movies, but ever since the new 3 movies, its just tooo much
i think it would have been better if he didnt
and i dont argue about profit, because in that area lucas knows how to turn anything into gold !!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:06 am
what they need to do is swallow their pride and put together an allstar cast of writers and directors to help lucas… in no way can you ever….EVER have anyone but him do it…..PERIOD
April 18th, 2008 at 11:07 am
To at least talk about novels, I did think the trilogy by Timothy Zahn was pretty good, if a bit removed from the movies
April 18th, 2008 at 11:08 am
House of Stairs sounds interesting. Kind of reminds me of some Stephen King shorts
April 18th, 2008 at 11:09 am
harrison ford would carry that movie by himself….the problem is the original cast is aging and actors and directors will begin to DIE. and then were stuck with fill ins and has been look alikes(like carrie fisher)
April 18th, 2008 at 11:10 am
I’ve heard of Men and Monsters
I wonder if it’s like of Mice and Men ha!
Yeah that was lame
April 18th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Haha, sorry, forgive me if i’m the only one who finds it funny that after 40 comments about star wars Alextenn starts talking about house of stairs again… Love it!
And thanks badlist, but i still think star wars is sub-par…
And yeah, shouldn’t we talk about the novels? I’ve lost my chances at getting the 100, because i’m about to go to dinner, but good luck someone…
April 18th, 2008 at 11:11 am
completely agree islander….
April 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
i think Midworld is the best one in the list
its a great story, and it u just have to read it again and again
its never boring
April 18th, 2008 at 11:12 am
I think a lot of people in here are being negative ninnies
April 18th, 2008 at 11:13 am
sub par… thanks ill sign the crappy book i win and send it to you after i leave water rings and grease stains all over it.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:14 am
so did anybody read “The Greks Bring Gifts”
i’d love to hear what do you think ?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:15 am
100?????
April 18th, 2008 at 11:16 am
they are really gr8. all of them
April 18th, 2008 at 11:17 am
i will say this about novels…too be fair….theyre better when they look like movies….or on tape
April 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
i think making it into a movie, makes it less in quality of work
it doesnt leave it to the imagination like in the book
April 18th, 2008 at 11:19 am
and glossy magazines with boobies those are a good read
April 18th, 2008 at 11:20 am
I’m lucky my library has a huge selection of scifi books. I gotta admit sometimes I’ll choose something I hadn’t heard of, just based on the cover. yeah i know, never judge a book, but it usually works out.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:20 am
im too busy to use my imagination i have a job and dont live in my moms basement
April 18th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Does anyone know what jfrater has in store for the 600th list?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:21 am
yay i win a book i dont want
April 18th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Badlist; Sorry you’re full of shit. Either that or you have a sub-par imagination. I can think of no novel (maybe SK’s Carrie, but it’s debatable)where the screen version was better than what went on in my head.
Frankly if you’re really not going to read the book you win, you should excuse yourself from the competition.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
badlist you seem like a very angry person… you love star wars but seem to hate nerd-like qualities…
April 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
Wish I could find my old high school short stories, they were obscure but superb. (usually got A’s)
April 18th, 2008 at 11:22 am
lord of the rings if the best example for me… films were good, books were way way better
April 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
i likes to reading about thingz with words
April 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
I’ve read them all and i think that skinner is the best
April 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
i have to go eat now!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
great list gotta check more out!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:23 am
yes i do agree
April 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Love the cover art on Bloodworld and Skinner, although they do look kinda the same to one another. Or is it just me?
I am only recently getting into sci-fi reading. I didnt do it growning up or as a kid. I think as a young sprout, I never bought into the long dumb names for planets and inhabitants and the veiled “wonders” that simply acted as a skin over what was basically of this century. My wonderment came from looking in the night skys for falling stars and ufos. Being scared about the obliteration of the world by bombs. And my own imagination of what aliens would look like on different planets. I suppose the literary side of it interested me less, unless it was hard fact and theoretical ideas.
But now, I dont know what has changed within me. Perhaps I’m more willing to….whats it called? Suspension of disbelief.
Plus, Most people i know that read sci-fi, seem to devour heaps of it.
I was illiterate untill just a couple of years ago. Never cared to learn to talk either. Mud and snakes was my game..and ufo watching.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
carpe_noctem u go and eat, and u got a book, congrats
April 18th, 2008 at 11:24 am
yeah for carpe_noctem. Just because he/she beat out the book-hater.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
i love them all
April 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
Mom424: All true Star Wars fans know that episode V was the best of all 6 movies. “The Empire Strikes Back” also ranks among the greatest movie sequels of all time. Think about it…all that is cool about Star Wars culminates in “Empire.”
April 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
way uncalled for badlist
April 18th, 2008 at 11:26 am
as usual w/ contests and comment counting…legit comments only are counted not ones that are obviously posted to up the count.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Cyn: If that’s the case, then who really won? Has anyone won yet?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Yeah, we’re all whores in some way too, badlist. Especially you.
(j/k)
I heard that in a movie somewhere.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:33 am
carpe_noctem: you win! Congrats.
Second Prize: 200th comment wins a book too!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Diogenes: Be sure to check out Asimov’s foundation series – you will find them very addictive. Sci-Fi is my favorite genre – in fact, it is the only “genre” of writing that I am especially keen on – I tend to pick and choose from the rest.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:35 am
Ohh jfrater thats nice
April 18th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Oh – carpe_noctem: email me (jamie at frater.com) with your real name and street address along with your choice of book so I can send it.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:36 am
njarrar: that’s because I am nice
April 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
J does the count and determines the winner. cuz if i did…well, it damn sure would not be badlist.
it really is quite pathetic that some people have so little of a life themselves that they feel compelled to ruin a simple pleasure like winning a contest for someone who actually enjoys the prize.
i really wish people would show some consideration for others and allow people to enjoy their time here.
isn’t there enough rudeness and juvenile behavior in the world as it is? can’t we at least have someplace online..like listverse..where people comment respectfully and just have a good time?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:37 am
so again did anybody read “The Greks Bring Gifts”
i’d love to hear what do you think ?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Im not sure if its obsucre or superb but flash forward by robert sawyer was pretty good. Due to experiment gone awry, everyone gets a 2 minute glimpse of their life 21 years in the future. Causes people pain, joy, etc. depending on how things will turn out.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:41 am
Not to take anything away from carpe, but if only real comments count, then comments #85, 89, 93, 98, and 100 don’t count, making Diogenes the winner.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Or technically Mom, if you count the 2 comments badlist made after #100.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Sorry Slick; The last scene ruined it for me. The whole vader/obi-wan ghost scene. The fight scenes were cool, and the effects were tremendous. You are correct, it was necessary to tie everything together, I just wish it was a little less corny.
Back to topic; I’m off to the used book store tomorrow morning, and now I have some to add to the list. It’s summer here now; I’m looking forward to sitting in the shade with my beverage and my books.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:47 am
or i could tear out the pages and make a star wars mural on the front of city hall
April 18th, 2008 at 11:48 am
or i can fight off a pack of wolverines with my copy of a crappy sci fi book
April 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am
or take it to a retirement home and read it to the people that wont remember i the next day anyway
April 18th, 2008 at 11:51 am
i feel as though i may be slightly gangsta
April 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
Mom424: No vader/obi-wan ghost scene in “Empire.” Perhaps you’re thinking about the inferior “Return of the Jedi,” which also features a ghost Yoda, alongside Obi-wan and Anakin (who, in the updated version, has been digitally replaced with Hayden Christensen).
“Empire” is the one where we learn Vader is Luke’s father, Leia is his sister, Luke loses a hand, develops his jedi powers, and realizes he was this >
April 18th, 2008 at 11:52 am
or spank my slightly sexy half sister with it
April 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
can you please stop having geeky and boring lists and start having some more that are actually interesting?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:53 am
“…and realizes he was this }{ close to incest.”
April 18th, 2008 at 11:54 am
Slickwilly: Thanks, but I’m not a registered Listverser.
JFrater: Thanks for The Asimov suggestion. I’ve read I,Robot ofcoarse. And remember some hefty tome I tried to get through very early in my reading life. If only…I would probably be in an entirely different realm of understanding by now.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:55 am
Lucy: Can we please stop having people come and comment who don’t appreciate reading books?
April 18th, 2008 at 11:58 am
badlist
i’m an admin and therefore ineligible to win.
and as just another listverser not as an admin or speaking for the site…i’ll say this..
cool it w/ the crappy commenting. some folks do enjoy coming here for the lists and the contests.
April 18th, 2008 at 11:59 am
Slick; I stand corrected. Return of the Jedi, the third one. It was hokey. I almost wish he didn’t bother with it. Of course he had to, but it certainly could have been better.
April 18th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
holy shit i won something… i never win anything! thanks! i’ll do the email sendy thing now! i wasn’t actually trying to win, i was just doing my best to mke sure that badlist didn’t, so that’s a double bonus i guess! (and mom, i’m a guy, but i’ll forgive you for trying to be discreet)
and i fully agree with slickwilly about lucy, why do people constantly post their negative opinions on sites that other people are clearly enjoying? if you don’t like a list, skip it, i don’t think jfrater will get too upset…
one question about star wars though… george lucas said that he knew the whole story of episodes IV, V and VI before he started filming. so the first time we see episode V, luke and leia’s kiss isn’t a big deal… the second time, it kinda brings to the foreground the fact that, hang on… george lucas intentionally wrote an incest plot-line into this… just one more reason he shouldn’t be allowed near small children and/or allowed to make more movies
April 18th, 2008 at 12:10 pm
Wow!!! I haven’t been checking out the comments for the past few months. Now I remember why. What’s with all the negativity guys?
Cyn I understand your ranting in the forums
And I second Slickwilly!!
April 18th, 2008 at 12:13 pm
toolnut: you know how these comment sections work, it’s about 20 comments related to the topic, then one little tangential thing escalates out of control for another hundred while everyone gives their opinion… I love teh internets… (please don’t correct the spelling on that anyone…)
April 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
carpe: The tangents are part of what makes these lists so fun. For the most part, the tangents are interesting, if not related to the topic at hand, and almost always the conversation diverts back to the topic of the list. As long as everyone is cordial, civil, and in good humor, I don’t see the tangents as being a big problem. (I’m a pretty big perpetrator of tangents, so this is probably a little defensive.)
April 18th, 2008 at 12:19 pm
Lucy: okay – sorry about that – I don’t know what I was thinking!
April 18th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
slick: don’t worry, i tend to carry on any tangent exists, i’m all up for tangents, they’re often heaps of fun! and the conversation usually diverts back when someone realises taht we haven’t actually mentioned anything to do with the topic in about 60 posts! no criticisms here mate!
it’s nice to know that jfrater has a sense of humour haha….
April 18th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Hey, Jayfray, how about an IP check on these clowns? (I think it’s the same clown.)
April 18th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
I agree. WTF is going on?
Slickwilly: I don’t mind the tangents either. They are highly entertaining and do bring about (usually) very interesting debate. Its these assclowns that don’t have any manners that piss me off
April 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
toolnut: completely agreed! also, assclown, best word ever! (incidentally, that doesn’t need to be made into a tangent, but it could make a very interesting list… or you know, not)
slickwilly: i agree with that as well, badlist, you aren’t going to win, and you aren’t going to make friends, just give up
April 18th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Slick, Cyn, Toolnut; I don’t mind the tangents, as long as they are interesting. 50 one line comments denigrating either topic or those interested in said topic, I mind.
April 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
It’s good to see you finally come back to the comments section, by the way, toolnut. I thought you were one of the OG LVers that had abandoned the comments in favor of the forum. Being an unregistered user, I pretty much stay in this general vicinity. Though I have tried to register a couple of time…
April 18th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
good list, i feel i should broaden my horizons of SF
April 18th, 2008 at 12:41 pm
You know this whole conversation about tangents has turned into a tangent itself… I can practically taste the meta… And i think we should listen to Mom, she seems to be one of the smartest people on here anyway…
April 18th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
Slick: done
April 18th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
Well to tell you the truth Slickwilly, I have been in the forums. But, Cyn seemed like she needed some help out here from us “regulars” so here I am. And I can see why she needed help now.
JF: Thank you for fixing that, you rock!!!
April 18th, 2008 at 12:50 pm
carpe-noctem; Thank you for the compliment. And no not one of the smartest, but one of the oldest. I can think of at least 10 regulars smarter than myself and a ton with specific knowledge I lack. It’s why I come here. I learn something new everyday.
April 18th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Good call Mom! Regardless of whether you enjoy the subject or not (for instance I don’t particularly care for James Bond movies) you always expand your learning horizons.
April 18th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
ha, mom, i’m only 18, i’m learning something new every couple of minutes… and i’m doing my best to become a regular, it might well be about 6 months or so before i get there…
April 18th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
Badlist, you are a highly entertaining troll. What a laugh-riot!
April 18th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
toolnut: The trenches are rough. Only the strong survive. You, warrrregl (sp?), Juggz, Mystern (though I know he left), satori (we occasionally see her around here), and most of the rest of the “old guard” seem to have left behind the meager comments section and focus on the forums. I guess I can understand, seeing as how the ratio of assclowns to non-assclowns has gotten larger over the past few months. I think it’s sites like ebaumsworld and other crappy “entertainment” sites that only 14 year boys visit linking to our humble abode and sending their traffic our way. Some people just love to cause problems. These people have small dicks. Or small tits. But more likely small dicks.
April 18th, 2008 at 12:58 pm
Jfrater: Was it the same guy? Badlist? I don’t know if you banned his IP, but he might be using proxies. It’s really sad how far some people will go just to get a few jollies and boost their poor self-esteem.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
ah don’t worry too much about it slick, it isn’t as if anyone’s paying much attention to him anyway… i’m pretty certain it’s the same person doing it… jfrater, do us all a favour and if he gets to 200, don’t let him win…
April 18th, 2008 at 1:01 pm
toolnut; If the intelligent regulars would return maybe we could, through force of numbers, shut the assclowns down. Maybe Jamie could hi-lite the faves so we could ignore the idiots with nothing productive to add.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
SlickWilly : i agree, its sad how far some people go
i knew Badlist , i think he is the same guy
April 18th, 2008 at 1:03 pm
and btw , carpe_noctem , how was ur dinner ??
April 18th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
hahaha it was pretty good thanks… my host mum made some random australian meal, so that was fun, it’s always nice to see french people attempt cuisine from other cultures… i’ve been here for almost 3 months now, i don’t miss australia that much!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
hey maybe we can finish out strong. and as soon as we hit 200, i’m going to the library.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
carpe: You’re in France? How long have you been there?
Listen, I gotta ask…what are french girls like? I waited tables at a resort 2 summers back, and we had a group of french teenage girls stay for over a month. I don’t like to get into specifics, but by and large, they were rude, flippant, ignored the rules, smoked like chimneys, and rumors got around that they were blowing bellhops for cartons of cigarrettes.I was just curious how French woman behave when they are not around any Americans to look down on.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
Slick : LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
April 18th, 2008 at 1:17 pm
and since we are close to the 200, cant we get back to talk about the novels??
i didnt read all of them
so i want to ask, if you would recommend Only one of those pics
what would u select
i want to buy one
and i want to know which one do you think is the best ??
April 18th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Nothing like a contest to get the comments up eh J.
Another one of Cyn’s ‘regulars’ popping in here again
Though most people wouldn’t know it judging by the amount i post in the comments.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
I’m with you on that one islanderbst. Our library is having a used book sale today. Whatever you can fit in the bag for only $1 (US). I’ll have to make a list of these to see if any are available there. Ooooh, now I’m excited
April 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
Slick: Heheh nice story!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
I have only read famous science fiction books, never anything slightly obscure like these, would be interested in picking one up
April 18th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
slick: yeah mate, i’m on a Rotary youth exchange in france for a year, i’ve been here for three months so far, and it’s great! look, i’ve found that if you look hard enough, you can find the absolute perfect stereotype in every single country, so i’ve met a few french people who fit into the ‘we are french, we’re better than you, zis is true, no?’ I know for a fact there’s one big group of girls who are under the impression they’re better than everyone else, and since we’ve got unisex bathrooms at this school, they’re quite frequently in there with their boyfriends and/or people they want something from, and in class, they’re all absolute bitches, but that’s just one group, i’ve found the majority to be absolutely lovely! (and for the record, i worked at a bar in sydney for 3 months, and we had a bunch of american guys come in who made more noise than anyone else, broke about 20 glasses and refused to leave, but i’ve got nothin at all against you guys)
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
so one book to recommend guys, one book
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
This is a question for someone who has read ‘Wasp’: does it focus mainly on the butterly flapping its wings theory, or is this just the starting point for Russell? Unfortunately that theme has been ridiculously overdone in films like ‘Crash’ which just regurgiatate this same story. Would be interesting to read one of the original thoughts on this. Any thoughts?
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
toolnut: seriously? That is a damn good bargain! Where abouts is your library again?
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
Good to see you somewhere besides the forums Dangor. I’ve decided to make an appearance myself.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
so who is gonna be Mr/Ms 200 ??
April 18th, 2008 at 1:21 pm
I think of men and monsters sounds the most interesting, i dont know if this counts as a real comment, but i think it would be super sweet to win
April 18th, 2008 at 1:22 pm
carpe_noctem : so your a Rotaractor
i used to be one , before i move from my city
April 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
ah, just missed it. congrats chillipacker
April 18th, 2008 at 1:23 pm
and congrats chillipacker
April 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
Toolnut, let me send you a dollar and a 100 gallon garbage bag to fill for me!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
My library is in Nevada, Dangor. Western US. ya, I went yesterday and came home with an armload of all kinds of good shit. Oh yeah. They were serving some of the best pecan pie I’ve ever had too. Yum
April 18th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
hey chillipacker, well done! i went for house of stairs, but i left it open to jfrater as well, i trust his opinion!
najeeb: i’m not a rotaract person yet, but when i finish my exchange i’ll probably join up!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
I would gladly do that for you islander. I’ll be waiting for that bag. . . and the $1. What can I say, I’m cheap
April 18th, 2008 at 1:26 pm
Hey lets thank J for these contests, (tho I missed with comment 101)
even on a sick day, j rocks!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
islander, 100% agreed!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
islanderbst, if u missed with 101 i missed with 199
April 18th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
JF: thanks for making all this possible. Without you, Cyn, the regulars, and this site I might actually have to do some work. I forgot how fun it could be to comment on the lists.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:36 pm
carpe: While that may be true (about the american guys), I hardly think it’s fair, considering we had a bunch of Aussies stay at the resort that summer too, and they were among the friendliest, most affable people I met there. I wasn’t talking about Aussies, I was talking about the French.
And I was not generalizing. Had I been generalizing, I wouldn’t have asked you about the girls you’ve met over there.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
anyone… want to tell me why 7 comments just got destroyed somewhere?
April 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
On that note, I can’t be the only American here who is tired of fat, loud-mouthed, rude, boisterous, boorish American tourists making the rest of us look bad. I personally know some guys like you described. All I can say is, I’ve found them to be in the minority. But it’s generally those people whose parents are wealthy enough to send them on international vacations. These people arn’t interested in learning about the culture and adapting to the mannerisms of the native population; they are interested in doing drugs and getting drunk in other countries.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:40 pm
I think Jamie is trying to weed out the bullshit to find the true winner. Makes it more fair. I’m all for it
April 18th, 2008 at 1:43 pm
i put 20 comments into moderation w/ the same email addy and/or IP/location. so the #’s are off. let J sort it out for the next winner.
i’m sorry for the confusion and its my bad if it messes stuff up. just wanted to get the trash outa the way.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
slick, well naturally us aussies were awesome! only joking mate… nah, i’m not generalising, i generally like american people, just these ones were horrible… so then, in answer to your question, i’ve met about twenty or so of the smoking so much you aren’t sure if they’re on fire or not, casual sex in the toilets for a favour, i’m better than you so you better move out of the way, girls, but i’d say the majority of the ones i know are great!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:44 pm
This is dangor, Slicks name & email is in the box, even though I’m signed in…
April 18th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
wait, what? I’m confused now
April 18th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
Way to take out the trash (bullshit) Cyn. You rock!!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
I had that happen to me yesterday dangor, not slicks but someone else
and problem sstaying logged in earlier today
April 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pm
WHAT THE FUCK! THIS IS BULLSHIT! I JUST NOW GOT HOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, someone tell me if there’s also a prize for 300th and so on, but of course I’ll just fall one short each time…
April 18th, 2008 at 1:49 pm
dangor: That has been a recurring problem lately. (Not just my name and email, but w/ other people too.)
April 18th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
slick:I recall that happening a while ago…
April 18th, 2008 at 1:51 pm
thats what you get for going to school c!
April 18th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
Csimmons: Not every competition revolves around you, you know. Don’t start what you were doing on the ’sci-fi’ films list again.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:52 pm
I freaking loved of men and monsters, one of my favorite books of all-time.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:53 pm
toolnut…well its J’s say.
keep in mind he’s not feeling well and the time difference so ..may have to wait on another winner.
just think its important that people who do frequent this site routinely know i appreciate their participation. i’ll do what i can to make sure your time here is as enjoyable as possible. and you can help out by applying peer pressure on these wandering trollz by politely and firmly putting them in their place. on da curb w/ the rest of the trash to be picked up.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
oh c, that sucks royally… and that happened to me as well today, i think it’s just something screwy with the server
April 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
dangor…sometimes hitting refresh will clear it.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
Csimmons: Its okay. Step back and take a breather. You don’t have to win every competition. Although I would be interested to know what you have to say about the list
April 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
dangor: What spamming? no, I have learned my lesson, but I really wanted of men and monsters, I WON’T BE SPAMMING THIS TIME THOUGH! I recently re-read the geek movies list and wanted to punch the person that was me when i was commenting then.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
toolnut:Not on the forums huh? Well I calmed down and I love the list, I only read #2 though since I read a lot more popular books instead of those really old sci-fi books.
April 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
cyn, well said about the internet trolls, i couldn’t agree more…
April 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
“and wanted to punch the person that was me when i was commenting then.”
I say that to myself all the time, and not just about commenting on a website.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Oh, and toolnut, if you’re still there, get your ass on IRC! I saw you talking about it earlier
April 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
Lol, badlist got pwned twice.
Is his ISP address banned now? It that what’s going on?
And how do you guys “know” badlist? And do we ever really know anyone?
April 18th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
Well, I’m off to go party(I have a social life)and I have e-mail me replies for this so I’ll be fucked deleting those.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pm
I just noticed, SlickWilly just took over from Randall in top commenters… Well done/get a life mate!
And i too question what has now happened to badlist?
April 18th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
carpe: Hey, you…I’ll…get a life, when I feel like it…so how about *that* huh?!
And it’s not the first time I’ve been top commenter. I just happen to have very lax internet policies at my workplace.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:12 pm
Well you certainly showed me! See, this website is perfect, you can have pointless conversations, destroy the self-esteem of internet trolls, pretend to be profound, and pick up little tidbits of information…
April 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
225. Carpe_noctem
Yeah, I didn’t think that could happen. Randall *is* the list forums.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:40 pm
Yes, dangor, I’m finally breaking down and getting on IRC. I had a bit of trouble last night trying to get it all set up but DH61 gave me some pointers so I will try them out as soon as I get home. Promise.
April 18th, 2008 at 2:41 pm
cedestra: haha i know, i don’t think he’s commented on this list yet so far, maybe he’s off doing something elsewhere…
April 18th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
yay books! good list. ive never read any of these…
April 18th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
WOW! Slick is the top commentor! I thought it would never happen! And I’m third, guess it’s because I don’t comment as frequently anymore, I really need a good list or your view to comment a lot.
April 18th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
I’m just waiting for you nice folks to knock 666 out of the way…badlist? bibledude?
April 18th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Ah! House of Stairs! I read that when I was like in 4th grade and I have thought about it from time to time and keep thinking I need to read it again. It really struck me in an odd way.
Another strange book from my childhood was “A Wrinkle in Time” that I read in 3rd or 4th grade but it has been in the back of my mind as a must read again along with the House of Stairs.
April 18th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
anyone heard of “Armor”?
April 18th, 2008 at 8:18 pm
Thanks to Grubthrower for an excellent list. More books to add to the ‘must get’ list!
I will definitely be looking out for The Greks Bring Gifts, and the House of Stairs.
Oh, and to my forum family, it’s time the old guard came back to show the newbies how it’s done.
April 18th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
I love this site and you too, Jfray =). Why don’t you get some good non-fiction books and movies for a list? I feed voraciously upon anything I can learn from. That is my sole purpose for the internet! Well, okay, I like silly stuff too, but I mostly only read things that will increase my knowledge.Can you believe I found this site from a post at UnsolvedMysteries.com? Yeah. Your site has gotten around!
April 18th, 2008 at 11:16 pm
2nd prize goes to SlickWilly for the 200th comment. In future competitions will be based on a random selection – to prevent morons like badlist from spamming to win. So congrats to Slick!
April 19th, 2008 at 2:07 am
Random selection of comments or random selection of the users posted? spamming will still get you slightly more chance of winning if it is just by comment numbers, yeah?
April 19th, 2008 at 3:38 am
Well done slick! See, hanging around talking pointlessly with me pays off! And Jfrater, great idea with the random selection, but that probably won’t stop them all that much, they’ll just post hundreds of replies under different names so they’ve got a better chance, but still, good idea!
And did anyone read Weaveworld by Clive Barker? I’d definitely classify it more as fantasy, but it was still amazing! I know sci-fi is more frequent amongst the online community, but a fantasy booklist or obscure fantasy booklist mightn’t be too bad an idea. Definitely recommend Chronicles of Thomas Covenant!
And Jfrater, any plans for the 600th list?
April 19th, 2008 at 3:38 am
Well done slick! See, hanging around talking pointlessly with me pays off! And Jfrater, great idea with the random selection, but that probably won’t stop them all that much, they’ll just post hundreds of replies under different names so they’ve got a better chance, but still, good idea!
And did anyone read Weaveworld by Clive Barker? I’d definitely classify it more as fantasy, but it was still amazing! I know sci-fi is more frequent amongst the online community, but a fantasy booklist or obscure fantasy booklist mightn’t be too bad an idea. Definitely recommend Chronicles of Thomas Covenant!
April 19th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Fuck, sorry about that
April 19th, 2008 at 4:26 am
Barnacle: random user – for the reason you mention. Also, I can see the IP address of people posting and get a complete history of all comments from that IP – so it is quite easy and painless for me to detect cheats
April 19th, 2008 at 4:57 am
The complete works of William Tenn can be bought in a 2 volume set at Amazon for $52. This is one of the best reading values you’ll run across.
One book I’d put on this list even though it’s more an “adventure story” in the Haggard or Burroughs vein is “The Unholy City” by Charles Finney.
April 19th, 2008 at 6:34 am
Sort of strange that C.C.MacApp’s “Recall Not Earth” missed the top ten… but if this list included every great but obscure book, it wouldn’t be a top TEN any more.
April 19th, 2008 at 7:15 am
carpe_noctem; I love the Thomas Covenant series. It is definitely fantasy more than sf. A great romp. His (I think same author, and I’m too tired to check) Through the Mirror is pretty fine to.
April 19th, 2008 at 8:25 am
I read #7, House of Stairs, years ago. I thought I was the only one who read that book. When the TV show “Lost” premiered I said to my wife, this reminds me of “House of Stairs,” she of course had no idea what I was talking about. Haven’t read the others but I’ll keep an eye out for them.
April 19th, 2008 at 10:45 am
Prize winners: email me please – I have not heard from either of you.
April 19th, 2008 at 10:47 am
i thought i had…. maybe i had the wrong email address, what was it?
April 19th, 2008 at 10:59 am
carpe_noctem: jamie at frater . com or frater at gmail – try both.
April 19th, 2008 at 11:21 am
Ok, sent, let me know if it doesn’t come through!
April 20th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Hey, sorry, Jamie. I just got back to my comp and sent you an email. I’m excited.
April 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I’m truly happy that this list might get some people to go get some books I think are worthwhile.
But I’m FAR MORE feeling good because I seem to have hit the “obscure” part of the list title pretty well. No one mentioned having read even three of the entries.
Note to Cedestra: damnit, you suggested the same for short stories. Well, I was thinking about that even as i worked on this list. Since you asked, I shall attempt to deliver. It will be much more work. I’ll have to identify where you can FIND them — and they are to be obscure, remember. I’ll have to make certain that each said story has NOT been anthologized many times… and will have to read the first page of an ungodly number of possibilities. Should be fun, but it is truly an evil assignement.
I found it interesting that House of Stairs had been read the most by posters. Generally at a younger age, which, after all, it was supposedly written for. And some folks didn’t like it. To me, it’s kind of like a car wreck — uncomfortable, but strangely compelling.
I truly waded through a mountain for this list… and had trouble coming up with ten novels. There are literally many hundreds of SF books I can personally recommend, but that obscurity-thing made me discard such unheralded yet by no means obscure masterpieces such as “Way of the Pilgrim” by Gordon R. Dickson. That novel alone is better than more than half of the list — and better than his deservedly famous Dorsai series. Read it.
A correction to the record: I own 6,000+ books, but only 5,000+ are science fiction. However, I have read more than 10,000 science fiction books (small-town libraries are gold to a kid/adolescent who would rather spend his meager dollars on girls/fishing/hunting/beer and other, less acceptable activities).
I have averaged reading 200 pages a day since I was 10 (now 45), but I ain’t no unsociable geek. I read at every non-formal meal, every time I hit the crapper, always have a book any time I might stand in line, and of course read every night before crashing.
I’ve even read during the one interpersonal activity a person would think no one ever would (she was always cool with it).
I’m scared that the Republicans will take my books and the Democrats will take my guns — either one would force me to abandon my reasonably normal life.
Meanwhile, I do keep reading even if I spend too much time fishing, canoeing, and camping. And drinking beer.
April 26th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I must add a few books to the list.
-The House of the Scorpion
-The Sixth Column [also called The Day After Tomorrow] [not the movie]
-Invaders from Earth to Worlds Beyond
April 26th, 2008 at 9:31 am
I must add a few books to the list.
-The House of the Scorpion
-The Sixth Column [also called The Day After Tomorrow] [not the movie]
-Invaders from Earth to Worlds Beyond
-Fallen Angels
May 3rd, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Sorry to comment with a demand, but do you know where I can get a copy of “Skinner?” I’ve now been looking for a while and can’t locate one anywhere.
I’d like to throw in Barry N. Malzberg’s “Galaxies” as a great, overlooked classic.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:18 am
Great list! Looks like I’ll be having an interesting to-read list this summer.
Bachalon; I just ordered a used copy of Skinner for 5 dollars on http://www.abebooks.com. It’s an excellent website for used/out of print books like this.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:20 am
Also, grubthrower, is this true that you have a rather.. large sci-fi book collection? If so, I’d like to see another list like this.
May 6th, 2008 at 6:24 am
D. Greg: abebooks is great – I have used them before.
May 6th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
D. Greg, thank you. I actually did an improper search on bookfinder that led to my confusion (I always transpose the two fields).
I forgot to add Steve Perry’s “The Man Who Never Missed and Karl Hansen’s “War Games.”
May 6th, 2008 at 7:03 pm
Dead on target. And now i’ve got some new (old) ones to read–Good Good Good.
And, was shocked, simply shocked, to see WASP at #1. Amen. I read that in a falling apart copy in…about 1980. Loved it…and have everything Eric Frank Russell wrote…somewhere. He’s warped as I am. Thanks for the howls.
May 8th, 2008 at 9:50 pm
It is amazing how angry some people seem to get because they don’t get a free book. Sad really. The way I see it, if I wanted to read any of the above books I would try and check them out from the library, and if they didn’t have them then I would take that to mean I didn’t need them.
May 10th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
House of Stairs was amazing. When I saw Cube, I thought it to be a thinly veiled and totally unsatisfying rip-off.
May 12th, 2008 at 4:26 am
At one time, I had over 6000 SF books, and have read a good many more, including all the ones in this list. In one of my many moves, over 98% of everything I then owned disappeared. I’ve since been trying to put together a list of all the books and LP records I want back, and it’s surprising how few there are that I really would like back. The only one on this list that I really miss is Leinster’s “The Greks Bring Gifts.” I’m aware that many people now think his writing corny, but I’ve been through enough truly horrible writing (I was a professional proofreader) that I can appreciate good stories even when they’re “badly” written.
May 17th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
I read “Wasp” at age 13 – and it has always been one of my favorite books. How gratifying to find it at #1 on your list.
June 4th, 2008 at 6:30 am
With regard to the comments on “Iceworld” – I don’t recall anything in the book which suggested the Earth and the alien’s world were in different galaxies. If this is correct (it has been quite a while since I read the book), then the term ‘intergalactic’ is not appropriate.
This term seems to be inserted randomly in many reviews of SF, and it should be used with more precision. The distances for intergalactic travel are several orders of magnitude larger than those for interstellar travel, and presumably correspondingly more difficult.
June 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
1984
June 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
fatty89: 1984 is not really obscure
June 27th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Great list!! I am an avid scifi reader and am always happy to find new books to read.
June 29th, 2008 at 5:39 am
I tried to read “House of Stairs” a few years ago, but just couldn’t get into it. “Iceworld” though . . . that sounds really familiar.
October 4th, 2008 at 10:27 am
I read The Boy Who Couldn’t Die by William Sleator and I really didn’t like it at all. Even though I heard House of Stairs was good I can’t get over how bad TBWCD was and I don’t want to read anything else by him.
November 3rd, 2008 at 3:59 am
i read House of Stairs in one day, i know it wasn’t written perfectly but the story is so cool and bizarre, then when i read the last sentence goosebumps shot up my arms
November 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Aw, Michael Crichton didn’t make it on the list
February 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
The Mote in God’s Eye. I forget who wrote it, or even if you would consider it obscure. But as far as I am concerned it is an excellent SF book and well worth a read by anyone.
I would recommend it to anyone
February 10th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
bait,
The Mote in God’s Eye was written by Larry Niven and Jerry Pournelle. Since it made the New York Times bestseller list, it isn’t obscure. Most people do indeed like it, though.
If you like Niven and Pournelle, try them separately. I suggest The Mercenary or Janisaires (both military SF) by Pournelle and any short story collection or Ringworld by Niven.
Note: I’m not a truly huge fan of Ringworld, but people who like Mote tend to like that one.
February 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
grubthrower
Thanks for the tips, I will look up the books you have suggested during my next trip to the libary
June 6th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I’ve been rereading science fiction books that I first read way back in middle or high school. I’ve been pleasantly surprised to find that most are as good as I remembered. Just recently I recalled that House of Stairs was the name of one that I read then, but I couldn’t recall the author and hadn’t gotten around to Googling it yet. Today I Googled “Top 10 Science Fiction Books” and stumbled across this list. House of Stairs was on it … and it’s the only book on the list that I actually have read. Weird.
Without saying anything to spoil it for someone who’ll be reading it for the first time, I find it entirely likely that people would behave as Sleator has them behave in this book.