Suicide is the 13th leading cause of death world-wide and ranks 3rd in many countries among 10-24 year olds. An estimated 815,000 people commit suicide each year around the world representing one death every 40 seconds. Some who attempt suicide are fortunate enough to receive a second chance at life. This list includes some of the more popular suicide locations along with people that were given another chance to live. Also included in the list are the grim suicide statistics for each destination. It also should be noted that the details from each incident varies depending on the information put forward by the press and the survivors.
Location: Verrazano-Narrows Bridge (Estimated over 30 Suicides)
In 1995 after a failed relationship, 29 year old Connie Mercure from Brooklyn jumped over 200 feet into the Lower New York Bay. Rescuers immediately pulled her from the chilly waters. Mercure survived with a broken leg, extensive internal bleeding and hypothermia.
Location: Throgs Neck Bridge (Estimated over 40 Suicides)
In 2001 26 year old Matthew Sicoli, after a fight with his girlfriend and job woes walked on the pedestrian lane toward the center of the Throgs Neck Bridge. Authorities spotted Sicoli kneeling and then watched in horror as he hopped over a railing and disappeared. Police quickly mounted a rescue effort and saved Sicoli in less than 10 minutes. Matthew survived the 140-foot leap and suffered only bruises to his ribs, stomach and face. It is estimated he went into the East River hitting the water at 64 mph. Sicoli’s 51-year-old mother committed suicide by jumping off the Whitestone Bridge just five years earlier.
Location: Sunshine Skyway Bridge: (Over 120 Suicides)
On May of 2001, 35 year old artist and inventor Hanns Jones was despondent over business pressures. After heavy drinking and a horrible fight with his wife, Jones drove his pickup to the Sunshine Skyway Bridge to end his life. Right after Jones jumped he said he knew it was a big mistake. Jones described the jump as “You just accelerate and accelerate so fast and then it stops, but when you stop you don’t feel like you hit water, you feel like you hit concrete”. The force of the impact ripped Jones’s clothes off. Despite multiple rib fractures, internal bleeding and a collapsed lung, he was able to swim to the rocks near one of the pylons. He was sitting there naked when rescuers arrived, and then spent weeks in the hospital recovering. Jones says he’s fine and happy today, and he often wonders why he survived when so many others didn’t.
Location: Jacques Cartier Bridge (Over 140 Suicides)
Did Bélizaire had an addiction to gambling which started when he was 17 years old. In 2003 at the age of 36, he had another losing night playing the video lottery terminals at the nearby Casino de Montréal. Bélizaire found himself deep in a hole and called his girlfriend on his cell phone, asked for her blessing and ended the call without telling her what he was about to do. Bélizaire then jumped off the Jacques Cartier Bridge into the St. Lawrence River. Bélizaire survived the jump and was unable to force himself to drown because his survival instincts took over. The jump cost Bélizaire the use of his legs and is now a paraplegic. Bélizaire is quoted saying “Once I was a strapping 6-foot-7 basketball and football player and now I’m a 3 foot 3 inches in a wheelchair”. Bélizaire takes every opportunity he can to tell young people his story and sound the alarm against compulsive gambling.
Location: Brooklyn Bridge (Estimated suicides are in the hundreds)
In June of 2008, a 34 year-old woman identified as “Michelle” decided to end her life by jumping off the pedestrian walkway of the Brooklyn Bridge. After her 10 story leap into the East River several witnesses called 911 and the woman was quickly plucked from the chilly waters. Paramedics were amazed that she came out of it with no broken bones and hardly a scratch. She was rushed to Bellevue Hospital, where she was admitted for having water in her lungs.
Location: Humber Bridge (Over 200 Suicides)
28 year old Angela Schuman was going through a custody battle with her ex- husband over their daughter. She wrote several letters, including one saying:” I can be with my daughter all the time. I can be free and far away where no Julio (her husband) of this world can reach us and separate us. And I can be with my daughter on her birthday.” In the fall of 2005 Angela jumped off Humber Bridge (3 days prior to her daughters 2nd birthday) holding on to her daughter all the way down. The little girl was taken to Hull Royal Infirmary where she was found to be hypothermic, but five days later was able to go home. Angela Schumann spent almost two months in hospital for treatment to lower body fractures. In the hospital, Schumann was found to have faded writing on her stomach saying: “Cause of death Julio”. The mother and daughter are two of only five to have ever survived a fall from Humber Bridge.
Location: Aurora Bridge (Over 220 Suicides)
John Dittmann felt suicidal, blaming it on a daily regiment of taking tranquilizers to treat mental illness and drinking alcohol to offset the pills. Dittmann often would stare at the Aurora Bridge from his Wallingford halfway house and in 1979 at the age of 22 he decided to end his life with a leap off the bridge. After jumping Dittmann had a change of heart and decided he didn’t want to die. He then frantically threw his arms back and fought to keep his body from pitching forward and tried to keep his feet extended as he plunged 174 feet. He hit Lake Union at 70 mph with a crack and struggled to swim meekly to shore. Dittmann fractured his back and injured his lungs, but survived. The Seattle man is one of about 30 people who have survived a leap from the landmark bridge.
Location: Clifton Bridge (Over 500 Suicides)
This miraculous escape from death happened over 120 years ago. 22 year old Sarah Henley received a letter from her fiancé breaking up their engagement. In a state of despair she rushed to end her life by the jumping off the Clifton Suspension Bridge. That particular morning there was a slight wind blowing and Sarah’s skirt was inflated (acting like a parachute) and considerably slowed down her decent. The wind also prevented her falling straight into the water. Sarah lived a full life and died in 1948. Her incredible luck gave her an extra 62 years of life. Sarah Henley’s jump has become legend and is recorded in the official history of the Suspension Bridge.
Location: Beachy Head (Over 500 Suicides known)
In June of 1995, 15 year old Martin Hinchcliffe had a fight with his girlfriend’s parents. After writing a note to his mother saying he would kill himself he walked to Sugar Lump cliff on Beachy Head and jumped. 35 feet into his fall he was caught by some extending rocks and was completely hidden from view in a deep crevasse. After spending 72 hours holding on to the cliffs, his cries were finally heard by a man walking on the beach below. Coastguard, police and firefighters went to the scene and were able to rescue Hinchcliffe who suffered a broken leg and cracked several ribs. Hinchcliffe said he sucked on rocks during the 72 hours to avoid dehydration.
Location: Golden Gate Bridge (Over 1500 Suicides)
At the age of 19 Kevin Hines battle with bipolar disorder became so intense that he finally decided to end his life. In the year 2000 he attended his first class at school, and then took a bus to the Golden Gate Bridge, crying all the way. Hines picked his spot and stood there for 40 minutes. No one approached him to ask what was wrong and when a tourist came up and asked whether he could take her photo, Hines thought that was clear proof that no one cared. He took the picture, and then jumped. Instantly he realized he had made a mistake and thought to himself “God save me”. As he was falling Hines came up with a plan to save his life, and threw his head back and tried to hit feet first. Hines was hurtled 40 feet underwater but miraculously survived. Hines endured arduous physical rehabilitation after his near-death experience, but said dealing with his bipolar disorder had been far more difficult. He now lives by a strict schedule, and has found a combination of drugs and therapy that allows him to regulate his manic highs and depressions. Currently, Hines works with several mental health groups and suicide prevention hot lines.
Contributor: Blogball
Is there such a thing as an UNlucky suicide survivor?
YES!!!!
The ones who TRULY wanted to die and weren’t simply in some crazy mood. There ARE those, you know.
Or to attempt suicide because of an ailment or illness or severe chronic pain and survive it only to end up worse off than you were before, like with those who hang themselves and get found and resuscitated in time to survive said hanging but in turn suffer severe brain damage from the lack of oxygen to the Brain for so long…makes me sad to think about…
While suicide is not for all people there are those who know their life is going nowhere. They will suffer hardships throughout their lives and be in pain constantly. Suicide is for those people. Yeah a lot of people try to take their own life, survive and are forever changed and happy to be alive.
I have been through two failed suicides and I will not fail a third time and after each attempt I felt worse that I had failed. An unlucky survivor is one that completely damages their body and mind and still survives.
cool guns on the list, g. doesn’t korea have the world’s highest suicide rate now??
Wow I have read these lists for years and this is the first time I haven’t seen any comments so I guess im about 5th
im about 7th
Leave it to Blogball to write a unique and awesome list. Good job
There was another survivor recently on the Sunshine Skyway. A Coast Guard boat was close by when the women jumped and fished her out. The newspaper article stated that from the distance you jump from on the that bridge, you are going around 75 mph when you hit the water.
Why is it 90% of these suicides on this list is jumping from the bridge? Is there no case of a survivor jumping off from a high rise building? Hmmm… That would be a hell of SUPER Extremely Lucky Suicide Survivor.
Reminds me of OLIVERSANSWEET, i think in THE INCREDIBLES. God is surely watching over some people!
Notable miss is the van staden bridge in Port Elisabeth, South Africa, 140 m from the ground. I think so many suicides have happened there that it is now a traffic offense to stop on the bridge for whatever reason. and on constant surveillance,
Very powerful list, blogball. Well done.
I saw a special on Oprah which was more impressive. It had two teenagers; one was a girl who laid down on a set of train tracks and a train came and severed her legs but she survived. Another was a guy that shot himself in the head but missed his brain and got his eyes instead, leaving him blind and concious while the paramedics arrived.
1. rob – Is there such a thing as an UNlucky suicide survivor?
I was gonna ask the opposite: How can you be sure that these survivors are lucky? It seems that most of them wanted to die, so the most lucky outcome would be death. Unless they changed their mind after surviving, but we dont know if they did. Maybe they lived unhappy for the rest of their lives, never being able to collect enough willpower for a second attempt.
I heard of someone who jumped off a building and a huge updraft blew her back on the roof…don’t know if its true or not.
*1. rob – Is there such a thing as an UNlucky suicide survivor?*
I suppose if someone wanted to kill themself so badly that failing to do so would be consider him/herself unlucky. Imagine feeling like a bigger failure than you already think you are because you didn’t succeed.
While I read the list I thought “rushfan”. Then I saw blogball’s name and thought “No, that’s far too happy to be rushfan!”
I checked. According to wiki citing the World Health Organisation, S Korea has the 14th highest rate in the world, behind PR China and Japan in this region. Those figures need to be treated with caution, though, due to gathering and comparing (eg the figures for PR China and India are way out of whack with everywhere else).
Certainly the rate has gone up – something like doubled in 15 years. It got a kick start during the financial crisis of 1997. There have been 5 high-profile showbiz suicides in the last 18 or so months, the latest 2 weeks ago.
Wow….
Regarding number 5, what are the chances that both mother and daughter would live considering that only 5 people altogether have survived jumping off that particular bridge? Also, how is that little girl going to feel knowing her mother tried to kill her?
I’m with you on that, ligeia. How unfair is it that a child has their life taken over someone else’s grief? In my opinion, that act would take away that child’s innocence – she’s being forced to deal with adult issues before she even understands them.
A tragic AND powerful list – it’s easy to empathize as you read the descriptions of these survivors.
shucks…this sucks…made me cry…waaa…
B-On – Clearly, according to the texts, a few of these survivors appear to have immediately regretted their decision. Drink/drugs and emotional over-reaction also appear to have played a part.
In terms of UNlucky survivors we could include the recent news story we had in the UK, where a father leapt from a hotel window with his 2 kids, killing at least one of the kids, surviving and ending up in a Greek jail.
I must admit to be rather amused by my mental image of Sarah Henley’s attempt in number 3. Surely this must have inspired the author of Mary Poppins.
Number 1 is pretty sad… bipolar is absolutely wicked. I do not have it myself, but, working in mental health, I see it everyday.
Nasty nasty stuff.
Folks, TAKE YOUR MEDS!
Excellent list Blogball. It appears most of these people went on to have productive, full lives. It proves where there is life, there is hope.
ajaxkid; and don’t forget if you’re meds aren’t working, tell your doctor and try something else. There is a cornucopia of help, and not everyone responds the same way to everything. Be patient.
suicide angers me. can there be a more selfish act?
did the woman in #5 go to jail for attempted murder?
Suicide is in no way selfish. When you are that low you no longer care about anything or any one. It’s a release from the hell that some people feel being alive. It is of course hard on the family and friends of the victim but knowing thet the person is now at rest must be some little comfort.
are you an idiot? living and dying for yourself is not selfish — it’s neutral.
expecting people whom you supposedly “love” to suffer FOR YOU is the epitome of selfishness.
I used to feel the same way, but after some recent events in my life I dont know anymore…I kinda think it’s selfish of the suicidal persons loved ones to try to force someone to stay alive who is suffering… Then it becomes the suicidal person is only staying alive for others and not for themselves…I guess there are different situations and many different facets to every suicide attempt, I’m just speaking from my own personal experience with loved ones who have attempted suicide and survived only to resent the person who saved them and then the suicide survivor ends up staying alive for everyone else but themselves and are miserable…to me that makes the people guilt-tripping and forcing said suicide survivor to stay alive a bit selfish themselves…
Number 1 have all my sympathy. I’ve been struggling with bipolar most of my adult life and also survived a suicide attempt. I overdosed on sleeping pills and a friends son broke into my apartment and discovered me. Poor kid got such a fright I dont think he will ever try to brake into any home again. The thing is I dont really want to die and consider myself lucky to have survived, but I have no controll over my actions when I’m in the middle of the extreme moodswings. I do take my meds, but at times its as if the mood disorder is stronger than the medication.
DiscHuker: I typed her name into Google and found an article from the Telegraph newspaper which says she was jailed for 18 months. It also says the little girl was almost 3, not 2. The husband wasn’t even the father of her daughter so I wonder why she was so worried that he would get custody
theres a true story about a woman who jumped out of a window on the empire states building, the wind was that strong it blew here in a window two storeys down and she survived
I’m not trying to attack anyone personally, promise..
suicide was honorable at one time, it’s a cultural difference I think. I guess it doesn’t necessarily make it right, but even though our society doesn’t accept it readily, after some thought, suicide is a personal right. every human being can do what they want with their lives, become what they want to be, and defy social norms, until they inflict another person’s rights.
suicide does not do that, and if someone is unhappy with their life it within their given rights to take it away. in some cases it is cowardly, but the unknown after death is pretty scary, and its brave to try and move on.
so.. there’s a thought.
Has anyone here seen the documentary ‘The Bridge’? It features real footage of suicides and suicide attempts from the Golden Gate Bridge. Some of the footage was incredibly disturbing, some was incredibly moving, such as a photographer who managed to save a girl’s life by reaching over the bars and grabbing her before she fell.
WOW, this list was so darn depressing!!
My girl friend has two friends that both are suicidal, it’s one of the things that make her life dificult. I wish they would just leave her alone or go back to being normal. I wonder if there is something we can do to put some sence onto them??
A close friend of mine (who I live with) is bipolar and recently attempted suicide by taking pills. He then made himself throw up because he regretted it. Just a few days later, I had to talk him back from suicide – holding him in my arms for hours, consoling him.
He’s not taking his meds, which doesn’t make any sense to me. He’s studying to be a psychiatric nurse and has worked on psych wards for years.
It’s really difficult to live with him. It’s like I’ve to walk on eggshells the whole time.
If you are fasinated by this list than you should rent and watch a documentary called “Bridge”. Its a documentary about suicides off the Golden Gate Bridge in San Fransisco and The number one on this list is in the documentary! Its a great compelling, and morbid documentary that will really open your eyes.
Wonderful list! I’m glad a good portion of them decided they didn’t want to die and correct it. Too bad for that little girl that her mom decided it was time for her to go – she has to live with that for her life. I wish I knew more of their lives after and for those that didn’t save themselves, if they were glad they were still alive.
The key to survival in bridge jumping is to go vertical – preferably feet first. Landing head first will crush your cervical spine and you will be dead nearly instantly. Landing flat will usually cause so much internal damage that you will be dead very quickly as well. What this list shows is that suicide attempts by way of bridge jumping is certainly not foolproof – which may end up being a good thing.
As for this particular list (ho-hum), I think it most certainly could have been done much better, with a broader scope of types of suicide attempts that failed. I actually know three survivors of attempted suicide – two drug overdose and one wrist slashing.
Kate(27) I agree.
JT – Great but disturbing movie.
I believe Kevin Hines is mentioned in the movie. In fact, I believe he mentioned that after he asked God to save him, dolphins or seals showed up and kept pushing his legs and feet upwards as if keeping him from drowning, because he was pretty much unable to do so on his own. That guy’s story is pretty amazing. I believe they also talk to his dad as well.
I recommend that movie to people only because that movie demonstrated there were so many signs/indicators/warnings people give before they try to commit suicide. I just can’t believe how clueless some people were.
In South Africa a notorious suicide bridge is The van Staden bridge in Port Elizabeth, so far 69 people have jumped of it.
Fascinating list, Blogball. Good representation of places *other* than the Golden Gate Bridge.
During the early years of my illness, before my meds had the pain under some sort of control, I did “make mistakes” with my med dosages on two occasions. Both times I ended up in hospital, sick as can be, in another plane of existence mentally, but alive. Then I was angry, no…angry would indicate I had enough energy to have emotions…I was resigned to my fate.
Not long afterward, a marvelous doctor, a pain management specialist, got me on the proper program of meds, and all thoughts of leaving this body behind left me.
I’m glad. Nothing but good things have happened since! Yeah, yeah, I know. It’s because once I was in less pain, and could deal with life on it’s terms, I became a happy person.
Still, I think the *****ogy is apt here. You get what you give.
If these people’s attitude changed as a result of surviving the they are, indeed, “lucky”.
21. ajaxkid: ~I was alone, falling free, trying my best not to forget…Baby, did you forget to take your meds?~
Great list, Blogball.
30. Sarzella: Oh, I have so been there. My close friend was diagnosed bipolar after he knocked his girlfriend out and saw demons. My boyfriend and I took him in after his parents moved. He slept for 16 hours a day and didn’t work. He managed to get supported by the state and persued a degree in Art at the local community college, but he still couldn’t drive. He’s driven out several roommates and refuses to chip any money towards productive things (just alcohol, cigarettes, weed, and K).
What you need to understand about why your friend is not taking meds is because of the ‘natural’ high manic-depressives get from the manic cycle. It’s free drugs, really. The depressive cycle is horrible, but in mania they feel invincible. They feel they can command the world, that they cannot be harmed, and that all will be well for them. Imagine overdosing on zoloft- that’s mania.
The best thing you can do for him is be there for him, but don’t enable him. If he feels that every time he falls you will catch him, he will be more likely to take up trapeze. I would start calling helplines or the police if he tries or threatens suicide or you may find yourself stuck in a “give and never receive” relationship, as I was. I don’t know what your friend is like, just a generalization of bipolars, so don’t take offense.
And walking on eggshells was EXACTLY what I told people it was like to live with my friend. I no longer speak to him.
I live about a mile from Clifton suspension bridge (which is really in Bristol, not north Somerset) and Bristol coucil have gone to great lengths to prevent any further suicide attempts being made from it. In theory it appears to working too; there have been very few, if any attempts in recent years and certainly no success stories, thank god.
‘take your meds’ is only a small part of being well…isolation, poor nutrition and lack of purpose all affect mental health negatively. A person who stays connected to family and friends, has access to at least one balanced meal a day, and has meaningful activity in their lives do much better, FEEL much better than those who do not, whether or not meds are on board. Medications often cause *****ual dysfunction, which to a young adult male can be devastating, and is often a ‘deal breaker’. With the mental health supports being overwhelmed, undervalued and unfunded, it is difficult for those who are struggling to find the help they need. Many are battling with concurrent disorders, meaning they have both mental health and addiction issues, and too many ‘systems’ will not offer support for one if the other is present.Add poverty, a family history of suicide(this role modeling increases the chance of a suicide attempt by a factor of 9) and lack of decent housing to the mix, and it stops seeming such a selfish choice, in my eyes. Staying alive and connected appears a super-human feat, and one that leaves me feeling humbled on a daily basis.
Nice list Blogball – I was depressed and suicidal the other night and called Lifeline. I got a center in Pakistan they got excited and asked if I could drive a truck.
Kate(27):
I’m going to have to disagree with you. Yes, we do have a personal right to do what we will with our lives. But to suggest that suicide doesn’t affect the rights of others is ludicrous. Suicide affects many lives, not just the one that was taken. Their family and friends have been deprived of the right to love and care for that person. People who are left to “clean up” after a suicide, whether figuratively or literally, have had their rights affected and lives forever changed. I don’t think it is “brave to try and move on.” I think it is the most cowardly and selfish thing a person can do to those who love them.
@ 27: Kate
“suicide does not do that, and if someone is unhappy with their life it within their given rights to take it away.”
Being suicidal is a mental illness – something has to fester in their minds long enough to disable them from making rational decisions and function normally in society. It is an illness, meaning the person is not capable of making rational decisions – in this case, it isn’t “in their rights” to take their own life. Legally, in schools and places of employment have to intervene with a suicidal person – if it was their right to end their life, why would intervention be part of the law?
I must strongly disagree with your statement – suicide is NOT part of their rights.
That’s ridiculous…I have the right to do whatever I want with my body and my life, it’s called free will and no man made law can take that away…u honestly think that just because it’s illegal to commit suicide we somehow don’t have a right or free will to make our own decision as to whether we want to end our lives or not? That’s retarded…we have the right to do whatever we want, law or no law, the law doesn’t change our right to choose…Im just blown away by this statement…and I’m not pro suicide I just think to each his own…who am I to judge another, until you’ve been in their shoes you really can’t say one way or another…
I was born in Hull (place where Humber Bridge is – number 5) I had no idea so many people had attempted suicide from there. I’ve been across that bridge so many times, it’s a very long drop into freezing cold water (right next to the North Sea). I can’t imagine surviving that.
wacaroo: they both seem really UNLUCKY! the girl lost her legs and the guy his eyes!
I think what Kate was really getting at, especially insofar as different cultures/societies are concerned, is that suicide can be the honorable thing to do. Rather than face criminal and/or social repercussions in a society that looks down hard on cowardice, failure and/or loss (in battle for example), the taking of one’s own life is seen as the proper way of ending/completing the bad situation. Granted, there are many other reasons and situations where suicide may be appropriate in a given society – not that we all agree, obviously – and it is within the rights of the individual to carry out such a decision in the manner most suited thereto.
“Is there such a thing as an UNlucky suicide survivor?”
If anything, I would think failing to do what you set out to do (kill yourself) is unlucky!
“can there be a more selfish act?”
Of course it depends on the circumstances of the suicide, e.g. is the person abandoning people who depend on him/her, but yes, there are potentially countless numbers of arguably more selfish acts.
I definitely disagree with the name of this list. If they were attempting suicide, maybe they don’t consider themselves lucky at all… I know about your views on suicide Jamie, but I still think the list’s title is a bit… off.
JayArr(47): I can understand what you are saying within other cultures and time periods. This list, however, deals with people from more modern times and a western culture. The people mentioned in this list had either mental illnesses or selfish desires behind their actions. Kate touches on other cultures briefly but then turns it to “our society” which I took as referring to a modern, western society. I stand behind what I said. Although it may sound cliched, suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem that would be more appropriately dealt with through counseling and medications.
This should have been survivor’s from hights, What about all the people who shoot themselves in the head and survive, or throw themselves in front of trains, That would be a good list.
Ummm, the Clifton Suspension Bridge is in the city of Bristol, which is not in North Somerset.
Aside from that, yeah, the story is local folklore around here.
Cheeshygirl(51) Certainly, I understand full well. I have a friend who’s on and off his meds all the time – he goes for weeks talking about suicide, but never takes the final step, which is good (for the most part) for his wife and young son. Like many, his problem is chemically-related, and no amount of counseling by itself can hope to solve the problem. Only a well orchestrated combination of drugs and therapy work for him at all – and when he refuses to go to therapy and stops taking his meds, life is truly hell in his household. My wife and his wife are very good friends, and the question of divorce is ever-present because of his personality changes, attitude and behavior… not something I’d like to be directly involved in, and my wife and I fear for ‘her’ and their child every bit as much as we do for him.
Thanks for the comments everybody. In this list I tried to combine some of the more popular suicide sites and individuals that survived that particular location. (kind of 2 lists in on) This is why I didn’t include any other forms of suicide. It’s often difficult to get details or even names on attempted suicide stories so some of descriptions were limited. As far as “lucky” or “unlucky”, I think if you were to ask most of the survivors on this list they would tell you that they are fortunate to have another chance at life and are lucky to be alive. If you were held up in traffic and missed your plane and it ended up crashing I don’t think you would call yourself unlucky because you missed the plane.
Cheeshygirl
What about terminally ill patients who choose to commit suicide rather than face the (usually) painful ordeal of dying. Personally I think in that situation the person should have the right to end their life if they have no possibility of recovery.
Technically wouldn’t they be unlucky?
Marv in DC(56): That is an entirely different subject that many have commented on under the Your View about euthanasia. I don’t believe it is relevant to the topic at hand.
Cheeshygirl
Why? It is a form of Suicide. The reasons behind it may be different but it is still a form of suicide.