While I am not a sporting person, I certainly can appreciate the great moments that sports has given to history. This is but a drip in the ocean of many such moments. Remember, if you can think of others that you believe deserve a place here, or should be considered for a second list, tell us in the comments.
Great Moment: The Catch
The Catch was the winning touchdown reception from Joe Montana to Dwight Clark in the January 10, 1982 NFC Championship American football game between the Dallas Cowboys and the San Francisco 49ers. The Catch is widely regarded as one of the most memorable events in NFL history. Montana threw a high pass to the back of the end zone. 49ers receiver Dwight Clark made a leaping grab with his fingertips from the back of the end zone for the winning touchdown with 51 seconds left in the game.
Great Moment: Diego Maradona’s goals for Argentina against England in the 1986 FIFA World Cup
AKA The Hand of God and the Goal of the Century. The Hand of God, one of the most controversial goals, was scored as the result of an illegal (but unpenalised) handball by Diego Maradona in the quarter-final match of the 1986 FIFA World Cup between England and Argentina. Five minutes later, Maradona scored another goal, the Goal of the Century, also known as “Greatest Goal in FIFA World Cup History”, was an award given for the greatest goal ever scored in a FIFA World Cup tournament. Maradona then began his 60-metre, 10-second dash towards the English goal, leaving behind five English outfield players (Hodge, Beardsley, Reid, Butcher and Fenwick) as well as goalkeeper Peter Shilton to make the score 2–0 to Argentina.
Great Moment: Rocky Marciano Retires As Heavyweight Champ Undefeated at 49-0
was the heavyweight champion of the world from 1952 to 1956. Marciano, with forty-three knockouts to his credit (87.8% knockout rate), remains the only heavyweight champion in boxing history to retire having won every fight in his professional career.
Great Moment: Kerri Strug’s one footed Vault
Was an gymnast for the 1996 Olympics, upon her first attempt Strug under-rotated the landing of her first attempt, causing her to fall and damage her ankle. Strug thus limped slightly to the end of the runway for her second attempt. She landed the vault briefly on both feet, almost instantly hopping onto only her good foot. Strug raised her arms after her vault, saluting the judges. She then needed assistance off the landing platform due to the injury. The completed vault received score of 9.712, which ended all doubt about whether the Americans would receive the gold.
Great Moment: Jackie Robinson Signs a Major League Contract with the Brooklyn Dodgers
He was the first African-American major league baseball player of the modern era in 1947. his Major League debut with the Brooklyn Dodgers ended approximately eighty years of baseball segregation. In the United States at this time, many white people believed that blacks and whites should be segregated or kept apart in many aspects of life, including sports.
Great Moment: Bob Beamon long jumps 29′ 2 1/2 inches to shatter the world record by more than two feet
On October 18, 1968 at Summer Olympics in Mexico City, Beamon set a World record for the Long jump with a jump of 8.90 m (29 ft. 2½ in.). Destroying the last record by about 2 ft. Sports journalist Dick Schaap wrote a book about the leap, called The Perfect Jump. The record stood for 23 years until Mike Powell broke it by only 2 inches in 1991.
Great Moment: Lou Gehrig’s “Luckiest Man” speech
A native of New York City, he played for the New York Yankees until his career was cut short by amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), now commonly referred to in the United States as Lou Gehrig’s Disease. Over a 15-season span between 1925 and 1939, he played in 2,130 consecutive games. On July 4, 1939, a dying man stood before over 60,000 people and told them he was the “luckiest man on the face of the earth” for being able to play in ballparks for 17 years, and recieve nothing but kindness and encouragement from his fans. Lou Gehrig became a symbol of what sports, and maybe life is all about. accepting your destiny, giving it your all, and enjoying every moment, good or ill.
Great Moment: Mark McGwire over Sammy Sosa, 70-66, for the new home-run crown
There was much media speculation as to where Maris’ HR record would be broken in 1998, and a debate as to who would break it, Ken Griffey, Jr. or McGwire. As the 1998 season progressed, it became clear that McGwire, Griffey, and Chicago Cubs outfielder Sammy Sosa were all on track to break Roger Maris’ single-season home run record. The race to break the record first became a media spectacle as the lead swung back and forth. On September 8, 1998 at 8:18 p.m. et, McGwire hit a pitch by the Chicago Cubs’ Steve Trachsel over the left field wall for his record-breaking 62nd home run, setting off huge celebrations at Busch Stadium. McGwire finished the 1998 season with 70 home runs, four ahead of Sosa’s 66.
Great Moment: Bobby Thompson’s shot heard round the world
Thomson became a celebrity for hitting a game-winning home run in a playoff game, off of Brooklyn Dodgers pitcher Ralph Branca, to win the 1951 National League pennant. The home run (nicknamed the “Shot Heard ‘Round the World”) is perhaps the most famous in baseball history. The Dodgers and Giants split the first two games. This forced the decisive contest on October 3rd at the Polo Grounds. The Dodgers took a 4-1 lead into the bottom of the ninth inning, and the Giants’ cause appeared lost. But Thomson’s homer turned what looked like a certain defeat into a 5-4 victory. The moment was immortalized by the famous call of Giants play-by-play announcer Russ Hodges who cried, “The Giants win the pennant! The Giants win the pennant!”
Great Moment: Wilt Chamberlain Scores 100 Points in a Single Game
Wilt Chamberlain’s 100-point game, named by the National Basketball Association as one of its greatest games, took place between the Philadelphia Warriors and the New York Knicks on March 2, 1962 at Hersheypark Arena in Hershey, Pennsylvania. With 46 seconds left, Chamberlin had 98 pts. Chamberlain got free from the five Knicks, jumped high and stuffed the ball through the hoop for an alley-oop slam dunk to hit the century mark. The arena exploded in a frenzy. Over 200 spectators stormed the floor, wanting to touch the hero of the night. Some confusion remains about whether the game’s last 46 seconds were played. According to the NBA, play was halted and never resumed.
Great Moment: Cal-Stanford Play
The Play refers to a last-second kickoff return during a college football game between the University of California Golden Bears and the Stanford University Cardinal on November 20, 1982. Given the circumstances and rivalry, the wild game that preceded it, the very unusual way in which The Play unfolded, and its lingering aftermath on players and fans, it is recognized as a highly memorable play in college football history and among the most memorable in American sports.
Great Moment: Jesse Owens Debunks Aryan Myth
Adolf Hitler was using the games to show the world a resurgent Nazi Germany. He and other government officials had high hopes German athletes would dominate the games with victories. Meanwhile, Nazi propaganda promoted concepts of “Aryan racial superiority” and depicted ethnic Africans as inferior. Owens surprised many by winning four gold medals. one each in the 100 meters, the 200 meters, the long jump, and as part of the 4×100 meter relay team.
Great Moment: Michael Phelps wins 8 Gold Medals at the Olympics
In the 2008 Summer Olympics, Michael Phelps won 8 gold medals, the record for the most medals won at a single olympics. With this record, he surpassed Mark Spitz, who had held the previous gold medal total with the seven. In the 2008 Olympics Michael Phelps set 7 new world records, only missing the 100 m Butterfly, where he beat Milorad Čavic by 0.01 seconds.
Great Moment: Michael Jordan’s Final Shot
Michael Jordan is often referred to as the best player to play the game. He is a 5 time NBA MVP and 6 time NBA finals MVP. Michael Jordan played his last game with the bulls
in Game 6 of the 1998 NBA Finals at the Delta Center, the Chicago Bulls led the series 3-2, but trailed the game 86-85 with 10 seconds left. Jordan started to dribble right, then crossed over to his left. Jordan then released a shot that would be rebroadcast innumerable times in years to come. The perfect way to go out. We can all just pretend the wizards never really happened.
Great Moment: 1980 USA Hockey Team Defeats Soviet
Rag tag bunch of mostly teenaged amateurs, barely together a few months and playing a sport invented and perfected elsewhere, take on the most polished, professional and unbeatable team in the history of international hockey, and win it. In exhibitions that year, Soviet club teams had gone 5–3–1 against National Hockey League teams, and a year earlier the Soviet national team had defeated the NHL All-Stars 6–0 to win the Challenge Cup. The Soviet and American teams were natural rivals due to the decades-old Cold War. In the final seconds of the game the crowd began to count down the seconds left. Sportscaster Al Michaels, who was calling the game on ABC along with former Montreal Canadians goalie Ken Dryden, picked up on the countdown in his broadcast, and delivered his famous call “…Eleven seconds, you’ve got ten seconds, the countdown going on right now! Morrow, up to Silk…five seconds left in the game…Do you believe in miracles? Yes!” US won the game 4-3. This victory was voted the greatest sports moment of the twentieth century by Sports Illustrated.
Great Moment: Mike Tyson Takes A Bite of Evander Holyfield’s Ear
Tyson and Holyfield fought on June 28, 1997.
The most controversial event in modern sports, the fight was stopped at the end of the third round, with Tyson disqualified for biting Holyfield on both ears. The first time he bit him they stopped the match but later resumed. However after the match resumed Tyson did it again except this time he got disqualified and Holyfield won the match. One bite was severe enough to remove a piece of Holyfield’s right ear, which was found on the ring floor after the fight.
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November 15th, 2008 at 3:34 am
I say this even as a Canadian where Hockey is king, that the American upset is not only the greatest moment in Hockey History but as you correctly list here, the number one greatest moment in sport…..
I watched that game live remembering saying to myself I will watch only until the Soviets start slaughtering the weak Americans….well, it never happened..I think the Soviets got up by 2 goals at one point but that was as far as they got….
Simply an incredible game that even the non Hockey fan could appreciate!!
November 15th, 2008 at 3:35 am
I no doubt think the home run race should not be mentioned on here. Mostly because of all the controversy that has followed Mark McGuire and Sammy Sosa. There are way more deserving moments than that. Such as USSR vs. USA 1972 Olympics or the Hail Mary by Doug Flutie or that amazing play in the Super Bowl between the Giants and the Pats this past febuary where Eli Manning escapes a sack and chucks the ball downfield to David Tyree to keep the drive going and eventually lead the Giants to a Super Bowl.
But you did get it right with the 1980 Russia-USA hockey game so kudos there
November 15th, 2008 at 3:36 am
I loved that Hockey moment. Cal-Stanford is the weirdest coolest play I have ever seen. Still cant believe the ref did not see Maradona hit that in with his hand, well done Diego.
November 15th, 2008 at 3:42 am
15 greatest sport moments of all time?
more like 15 greatest American sport moments of all time
what a load of bull
November 15th, 2008 at 3:42 am
somehow i knew that Michael Phelphs, Michael Jordan and Mike Tyson will be in this list..
Tyson – biting – classic…
oh crap, they’re all mike or michael.. maybe i should name my son Michael, maybe he’ll be good at sports.. haha.. joke
November 15th, 2008 at 3:50 am
debutrans: why not help us out with some suggestions of other greats from non-US nations then…
November 15th, 2008 at 3:51 am
Better rename this to:
Top 15 Greatest American Sports Moments of All Time
Some suggestions:
Champions League Final 1999
Marco’s van Basten goal at the Euro ‘88 Championship against Russia
November 15th, 2008 at 3:55 am
hahaha..
i really don’t think that the lists here in List Universe are too American.. it just happens that North America is more popular..
*not an American*
*my own opinion*
November 15th, 2008 at 3:57 am
Beauty list. I love how it covered a lot of the sports in the world. Plus I was rooting all along for Jesse Owens to be on the list!
But it looks to me like this list is copy and pasted all from Wikipedia. I would really prefer if at least some rewriting had been done on all the paragraphs. :/
November 15th, 2008 at 3:58 am
Couldn’t agree more with you, “debutrans”
This is complete nonsense. How about looking outside of American Sports. Seriously i could create a list that actually was international, not just American. If it was 15 greatest AMERICAN sporting moments then fair enough but don’t make the title lead us into thinking that it involves all sports, regardless of the country.
And before everyone comes on hassling me about not appriciating great sporting moments, take a moment to realise that i haven’t stated that i don’t think these are great moments. They definitly are, but there are so many more.
1. Greece winning Euro 2004
2. England winning the Rugby world cup in 2003 with the last kick of the game
3. Lewis Hamilton winning the 2008 f1 world championship on the last corner on the last lap of the last race.
November 15th, 2008 at 4:12 am
top 15 greatest AMERICAN sports moments of all time!
November 15th, 2008 at 4:25 am
I have to agree with debutrans and Felix here. It would have been a very good list, if the title had not been so misleading. As of now, the list only covers American sports moments (with the single exception of Diego Maradona).
November 15th, 2008 at 4:53 am
I thought Nadia Comaneci acheiving a perfect 10 deserved a place if 12 was there. I’m really unimpressed by all of the baseball ones except for Lou Gehrig’s speech which was amazing. Given though I’m also not American.
There surely has to be more great football/soccer moments, it is the world game after all.
Rugby supporters would also remember Jonah Lomu’s domination of England at the 1995 world cup, particularly the try where he trampled Mike Catt, not in the top 15 greatest moments but worth a mention
November 15th, 2008 at 5:02 am
What about dawn fraser and the whole flag incident? It was memorable
November 15th, 2008 at 5:16 am
what about arsenal v liverpool in 1989? Arsenal needed to win by 2goals to win the league otherwise Liverpool would claim the title. michael Thomas scored arsenals 2nd goal in the dying moments of the game to snatch the title from liverpool hands. That is my favourite moment
November 15th, 2008 at 5:30 am
Jesse Owens absolutely HAD to be on the list! Good work!
Suggestion for future list: Nadia Comaneci in Montreal ‘76 (first full 10.00 in gymnastics ever)
November 15th, 2008 at 5:34 am
kerri strug shouldn’t be on here b/c the U.S. team was so far ahead that it didn’t need her vault to win. she could’ve sat it out and they would’ve still made gold. i think that jesse owens humiliating hitler on his own turf should’ve been #1. as for mike tyson, i fail to see how an athlete getting himself disqualified for intentionally injuring is opponent constitutes as one of the greatest sports moments of all time.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:34 am
It’d be nice to have an international edition that wasn’t so USA focused. Most people internationally really don’t care about American football an baseball.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:36 am
I agrea, these are “Great American Moments”… With the exception of Maradona, Jesse Owens, Bob Beamon, Michael Phelps, Michael Jordan and perhaps Mike Tyson, the list consists of mainly people and events of major interest only inside the US.
When the rest of the World thinks of Baseball or of American Football, we thing of them as eccentric national sports – much like British Cricket or Australian Rugby. Of the American team sports, only Basketball has become an international phenomena. Even so, there is only one team sport that is truly international: Football (or “Soccer”).
November 15th, 2008 at 5:39 am
What about real madrid needing to win the last match in the 2006/07 season & were 2-0 until a breath taking comeback ?? or the liverpool vs ac milan final of champions league in which thay came back from 3-0 & scored 3 goals in 6 minutes ? i think these are definately better choices than bob beamon & lou gehrig …
November 15th, 2008 at 5:41 am
Kieran Perkins winning the gold at the 1996 Olympics in the mens 1500 freestyle from lane 8. He had the slowest qualifying time, but still won by a huge margin in one of the worst lanes. I watched that swim absolutely mesmerized. Seriously, everyone at Mcdonalds broke into a cheer. Hey, someone has to make up for all that sporting talent.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:42 am
I’ll just say this:
“Some people are on the pitch, they think it’s all over…it is now!”
November 15th, 2008 at 5:44 am
Tbh i`m also not to happy bout the list,but i can understand it.
There are simply to many sport events and historical moments in em.
But Usian Bolt should be on the list,i mean when most of the scientists said that humans will never be able to run on 100m in less then 9.7 sec….well i guess he proved em wrong.
I guess that list is a bit americanised,but good effort anyway
November 15th, 2008 at 5:50 am
make another list with same title… or change this one’s.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:58 am
Too many American moments ;P
November 15th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Don’t agree with the inclusion of Maradona’s Hand of God. It was blatant cheating that only was allowed because the referee didn’t see it. His goal after that, in the same match, was outstanding though.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:11 am
Felix, Maleficence, and autofocus, how about YOU looking outside of American sports and giving us another list? Put your money where your gripe is.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:16 am
i totally agree with the Lewis Hamilton moment.He will do great things:D
November 15th, 2008 at 6:17 am
#2 Michael Jordan pushed off the defender. He should have been charged with an offensive foul. The shot should not have counted. One of the reasons U. S. basketball struggles in the Olympics is that the officials don’t give them the “star” calls that they are used to in the NBA (traveling, palming, 3-second lane violations, protect them from fouling out, driving the lane then throwing up a wild shot and getting a ticky tack brush foul).
November 15th, 2008 at 6:19 am
And i have to say, that when i heard about the racism spanish fans were showing towards Hamilton, it made me angry.What a bunch of sourgrapes!
November 15th, 2008 at 6:24 am
You seem to have confused ‘world’ with ‘America’, no-one (or very few people) watches American football or Baseball in Europe. I personally know of none of these events. How abut the 2005 champions league final, or Maradona’s ‘hand of god’ in 86?
Jesse Owens is possibly the only memorable moment for anyone outside the US or Canada.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:24 am
Yes, agreed, the list is too American (and I am one of those too). Such a list does not necessarily have to represent everybody, but no doubt several sporting achievements belong on this list over and above some of the Americans listed…just a few off the top fo my head:
Nadia Comaneci’s first perfect 10 in gymnastics
Roger Bannister first to break 4 minute mile
Sergi Bubka’s run as the greatest poll vaulter
Any of these is more impressive than McGuire (and a few others)
November 15th, 2008 at 6:30 am
rshady, did #14 on the list not make it onto your screen or something? I’m looking right at Maradona’s Hand of God on my list.
Paolo, I agree that Nadia and Olga Korbut were tremendous sporting moments.
By the way, is it too “American” if Olympic moments involve Americans?
November 15th, 2008 at 6:30 am
There’s another American moment that should be added. Drake University vs. Oklahoma football (about 1956) when Johnny Bright became the first black to ever play against OK. They ganged up on him and deliberately broke his jaw. The local hospital wouldn’t treat him because he was black. It was a defining moment in NCAA football history. A series of photos of the attack won a Pulitzer.
And for those who whine about this being an American focused list – STFU and make your own list, wankers.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:35 am
“leaving behind five English outfield players (Hodge, Beardsley, Reid, Butcher and Fenwick”
What?!
There was no player called Hodge!
The five were Hoddle, Sansom, Reid, Butcher and Fenwick.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:37 am
I remember too the Spain – Malta soccer match in 1983, where Spain needed 11 goals, pretty much impossible.
To make things better, Malta scored the second goal of the game, 1 – 1, which would lower Spain morale, but finally it ended in a 12 – 1, which let Spain advance to the next round.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:49 am
Clearly you don’t remember Barnsley knocking Chelsea out of the FA Cup last year…
November 15th, 2008 at 6:50 am
Since almost all of the entries on here are from yanks I’m surprised you haven’t put a few WWE moments in here too since you have no idea what constitutes as a great sport.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:53 am
@warrrr – I wasn’t complaining, rather suggesting a solution to other people’s problem. I don’t care one iota, I’m not interested in sport.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:59 am
Maleficence, I wasn’t pickin’ on ya. Sorry if it seemed that way.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:29 am
I know – instead of hiding in the comments bitching about things being to centric to America how about creating a list? Sheesh. If you don’t want to read an American list, write a non-American list.
Paulb, good effort. I remember watching the USA-USSR hockey game. Pretty awesome.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:33 am
What about Ayrton Senna’s death at the 1994 San Marino Grand Prix? It should be included somewhere imho.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:41 am
How about when the great American hero Hulk Hogan slammed and defeated the evil Frenchman Andre the Giant at WrestleMania III?
November 15th, 2008 at 7:42 am
yeah, it’s americanized, but no one claimed specifically that these were the “world’s” greatest moments. it should be a little more diverse, but it isn’t so make your own list and get over it. the majority of americans don’t watch soccer. mainly the latin americans watch it which is why you only see it on telemundo or cable t.v.
as for that WWE remark, Kneedeep, you don’t have to get nasty b/c your favorite croquet match didn’t make the list.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:49 am
Mary, andre and hogan were good friends, he wasn’t an evil frenchman. btw, wrestlemania, wwf, wcw, wwe, and all that stuff that doesn’t constitute as olympic style wrestling is ’sports entertainment’. the fighting and injuries are real, but the winners are usually decided beforehand. the rivalries and personas are fake. i love hulk hogan, but it’s not a ‘real’ sport.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Good list. I’d like to add:
1)Tiger Woods as the 1st African American to win the Masters Golf Tournment.
4)Joe Louis KO’s Max Schmelling to further debunk Aryan myth.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:24 am
Scarlet_Tears-
i couldn’t agree with you more. North American sports are the most popular worldwide…and by that i don’t necessarily mean the best, i mean the most watched, globally.
I would probably add Doug Flutie’s bomb for Boston College…though i don’t know where. i can’t say i disagree with anything you’ve put on the list.
with regards to the home-run race…i think it deserves inclusion. it was a huge sports story…regardless of anything we’ve learned since, or suspected at the time, it was still a very meaningful sports moment.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
I am disappointed that the McGwire/Sosa battle has made this list. It wasn’t who was the best ball player but who was the greatest steroid abuser.
A much better inclusion, mentioned by others, would be the first perfect 10 scored by Nadia Comaneci. I watched that Olympic performance at the time and it is worthy. The excitement garnered was amazing and it did wonders for the sport.
Whoever mentioned Lewis Hamilton is right-on. My husband was out of his seat during that last lap. Kudo’s to the kid for holding it together and not panicking. He will do great things in future.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:29 am
ronsantohof -
i hardly think you can say that the USA basketball team has struggled in olympic competition. since professionals were allowed (were allowed for everyone, not just the USA), the USA team has won gold 4 out of 5 times. if that is struggling, i’ll take it.
as for the jordan moment…it is true that a foul could have been called…but the fact remains that it wasn’t.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:33 am
I’m an American, I can think of several *more* American great sports moments which could have been added but, and here’s that famous but for you, I agree with the crowd of non-Americans who bemoan the lack of great sports moments from countries other than the U.S.
OK, we’re bigger, and have a *lot* more people playing professional and non-professional sports. I just don’t think that erases the best moments of sports in other countries. In matter of fact, it should serve to elevate them!
JMHO.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:40 am
Well, I for one won’t go with the crowd, although I agree. Maybe a little more global diversity would’ve helped. Overall, though, I thought it was a great, well-written list. I don’t know if I would have put Michael Jordan so high on the list. He was an incredible athlete, but it was just his last moment, not necessarily the greatest moment. Nadia’s perfect score should be on there.
I’m with Lilith Hel about Kneedeep: thanks for making us Yanks appreciate non-Yank comments just a little bit less.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:42 am
1.
~This is but a drip in the ocean of many such moments. Remember, if you can think of others that you believe deserve a place here, or should be considered for a second list, tell us in the comments.~ quote from preface to this list
2.
the Olympics are not an American event..they’re global. just sometimes held in the States.
3.
http://listverse.com/submissions
to submit your own list for consideration of publication. far better to submit your own list than to criticize the efforts of someone else.
4.
and i’m loving the comments urging the whiners to submit their own lists. thanx guys!
November 15th, 2008 at 8:50 am
The Worlds greatest ultra marathon – 90 Km was won 9 times by Bruce Fordyce.
The Comrades is a South African institution internationally recognised for the body sapping challenge it poses and the camaraderie it fosters among its thousands of participants.
Thanks Paulb
November 15th, 2008 at 8:56 am
This should be called Top 15 Greatest AMERICAN Sports Moments of All Time
November 15th, 2008 at 8:58 am
I agree too many American moments.
I’m so sick of hearing about the US Olympic Hockey team and their Olympic victory over the Soviet, 18 years ago. There has been better moments in hockey history, this is just one that the Americans never want anyone to forget. It’s like that annoying person who shares the same story over and over again, while everyone else in the room rolls their eyes. Get over yourselves.
Miracle my ass try a random stroke of luck.
warrrreagl – “Felix, Maleficence, and autofocus, how about YOU looking outside of American sports and giving us another list? Put your money where your gripe is.”
Before you go running your mouth perhaps you should read what others have posted. Felix did mention other NON American sports moments.
“1. Greece winning Euro 2004
2. England winning the Rugby world cup in 2003 with the last kick of the game
3. Lewis Hamilton winning the 2008 f1 world championship on the last corner on the last lap of the last race.”
As written by Felix, before you pounced.
November 15th, 2008 at 9:06 am
this list should read the 10 GREATEST US SPORTING MOMENTS.
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November 15th, 2008 at 9:14 am
I am dissapointed JFrater, too much US moments in the list, and no, US is not more popular, it is just US doesn’t care about anyone else in the world.
What about, a few examples:
1. The gold medal winnig of the USSR in Munich 72.
2. Pele’s Brazil, and when there were a truce in the civil war in Nigeria, because Pele’s Brazil went to that country; so goverment and rebels men went to the stadium.
3. The xmass truce during the WWI, when german and british troops made an unofficial truce on xmass and play a football scoccer game among them in the field between the trechs.
4. The first moderm olympic games, maybe the first gold medal.
5. After the Olympics, FIFA world coup is the greater sport event in the world (sorry yankees, far more than ‘The Super Bowl’ and ‘The World Series’ combine), so what about the first World Cup in Uruguay in 1930?
6. You said the list was the greatest sports moments of ALL THE TIME, but is a recent US list. In the Roman Empire, gladiators fights were an event that we could see it as a sport. So, have you ever read about Prisco and Verus? I bet you don’t, cause there is no world outside USA (at least for you).
Why not renamed the list as Top 15 Greatest Sports Moments in the USA? And make another list of Top 15 Greatest Sports Moments ALL THE TIME!!
Shame on you mr. JFartter
November 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
How can you have Bobby Thompson’s homer and not Bill Mazeroski’s? Thompson’s just won the pennant. Maz’s won the World Series in game 7 against one of the best Yankee teams in history. And “the Catch” is overrated hype made up by ESPN. But I do agree with the 1980 US Hockey thing. I wasn’t even alive in 1980 and the shear thought of that gives me goose bumps.
November 15th, 2008 at 9:19 am
Paulb: I’ve got news for you, Yank: the REST OF THE WORLD EXIST
November 15th, 2008 at 9:34 am
now if people would actually read the list in its entirety. read the preceding comments or at least scan them…but no, they post comments echoing the same old tired whines. again, again and again. not having the good sense to realize that by doing so, they come off as idiots. *sigh*
whatever point you think you’re trying to make..you’ve failed! try for an original comment based on the list and in the context of preceding comments, k?
November 15th, 2008 at 9:41 am
what about joe carter? with the jays down by a run he hit a walk off 2-run homer to win the world series! this homerun always gets left off “great sports moments” lists by americans, even baseball only ones….
I guess Argentina beating the “Dream Team” in the 2004 Olympics is also many miles away from making this list… but be sure to mention the great american olympic upset…24 years ago
November 15th, 2008 at 9:44 am
sorry it was a three run home run…my bad
November 15th, 2008 at 9:50 am
Lance Armstrong anyone?
how about the Red Sox coming back against the yankees in the 2004 ALCS to win 4 games in a row and then sweep the World Series for their first championship in 86 years?
November 15th, 2008 at 9:56 am
I’m confused about the whole Lance Armstrong thing, didnt it come out that he was on steroids? That story broke and then it was never really talked about again, whats the deal with that?
You gotta give it to the Sox though, I mean coming back from three games down to win the ALCS is unheard of…but to have the sox do it to the yankees, thats legendary.
November 15th, 2008 at 9:59 am
Lisandro: come on, get real. You make some good points, bringing up that soccer is vastly more popular then soccer or baseball. Being and American baseball fan, even I agree that the sport shouldn’t have been on the list three times and that Pele’s game should have been on there. The rest of your points completely undermined your good ones though.
The ‘72 Munich game was a sham and the rest of your examples are not really great sport moments. Whats so great about the first gold medal or the first world cup other than them being the first. Was the game any good? Did anyone watch? Does anyone even know who won without looking it up? How can it be the greatest moment off all time when most people in any nation can’t tell you anything about it.
The soccer game in the trenches of WWI was a great moment but had nothing to do with sports. They didn’t have a truce to play soccer, they had a truce because it was Christmas. They could have just as easily of played grab ass and the moment would have been just as special.
Oh and Prisco and Versus?..Gladiators? ….seriously?
November 15th, 2008 at 10:06 am
My grandma could hit 70 homeruns too if she was taking 5 pounds of roids daily like that douche bag McGwire. The supporters say it was never proven but I’m sure his immediate retirement after the season had nothing to do with the investigation launched by congress. Major League Baseball is such a joke. 90% of the players are cheaters.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:11 am
Oh, and another thing, why does everyone get all up in arms when they do not agree with the lists. I am new to the site so maybe I am missing something but I thought this was someone’s opinion of the greatest sports moments of all time, not a multi-government sanctioned be all end all of lists that we all must adhere to. Its a subjective list so it’s going to be naturally biases to the sports that person watches just as a European’s list might be more slanted to soccer. So what’s the big deal if it has more american sports on it. No one is imposing this list on you.
I love the posts where people bring up there own opinions and arguments for them. Even the comments saying they would personally have a more global slant are great. Its the comments that attack the list or are a little more hostile that puzzle me.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:16 am
will someone please revise this list to include rugby, Allies vs. Axis soccer, and the movie Gladiator so the Europeans will quit bitching and moaning about how self-centered Americans are everytime time we make a sports list that isn’t filled with to the brim soccer clips.
hey, why don’t yall tell us ‘yanks’ that story again about how everywhere else in the world soccer is called ‘football’. we never get tired of rolling our eyes while listening to that one. perhaps it is you that need to get over yourselves.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:18 am
To all the great guys and gals who do NOT live in America:
Clearly this list was made by an American. I’ll spot you that. But you can’t argue that there’s too much American football and baseball because you don’t follow either sport, and then try to persuade us Americans that there should be more football (soccer) moments. We’ve got the same complaints about soccer that you do about American football/baseball.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:19 am
Cheaters should really be ignored on lists like this. Substance abusers like McGwire and blatant rule breakers like Maradona make the list not for great athletic achievements, but for cheating.
On another note, I think it’s kind of unfair that Michael Phelps, as a swimmer, had so many more opportunities to win medals than other types of athletes. Not that he isn’t awesome at swimming, mind you, but there are WAY too many swimming events in the games. There, I said it.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:21 am
Oh, and as an avid baseball fan, I disagree mightily with including the Homerun Chase of ‘98. That is a disgraceful moment in sports history, and it should not be on this list
November 15th, 2008 at 10:23 am
MHogan – I totally agree!
November 15th, 2008 at 10:25 am
Oh for goodness sake.
People write what they know about, maybe Paulb mostly knows about American sports, so he wrote about them. Not a big deal. Everyone who is complaining about there not being enough worldwide moments can take the time and energy and write their own damn list.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:38 am
Soon as I read this list I knew the rest of the English speaking world would start bitching because of all the U.S attention.Having said that I agree to a certin point.Lisandro makes some good points till he said shame on J F and whines about the U.S. How about greatest fights during a soccer game you English dudes would by far dominate the list! If great Cricket,Rugby,Chess,Badminton,Buggering or anything else you folks are good at I would have complained also.Last comment with tounge in cheek.Much love to yall !
November 15th, 2008 at 10:44 am
I think David Purley’s reaction to Roger Williamson’s fatal crash in the 1973 Grand Prix was one of the finest and most touching display’s in sporting history. I mean, the guy was willing to give up on the defining event of his career in an instant to attempt to save another racer’s life.
http://www.filecabi.net/video/Roger_Williamson_Fatal_Crash.html
My two cents. I like the list, I don’t really care about it being US-sentric or whatever, I was just glad not to see the 1966 world cup final on here!
November 15th, 2008 at 10:45 am
how can jesse owens not be 1?
November 15th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Bugger.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:47 am
Bugger again.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:51 am
MHogan # 67 you aint seen nothing yet.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:53 am
Surprised not to see the Billie Jean King vs. Bobby Riggs match. It helped to open doors for women in future sports.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:59 am
Maybe the Champions League final between Liverpool vs. Ac Milan? Milan was leading with 3 goals to 0, but Liverpool fought back, scored 3 goals and eventually won by penalty’s
November 15th, 2008 at 11:03 am
great list, great mix of the symbolic and pure excellence
the only thing i might take out is the mexico city long jump record, all kinds of records got set because of the thin air
there was actually an event more fitting in those very same olympics, the black power salute
my personal favorites left off the list
christian l’s last shot for duke
manning to david tyree
zidane’s headbutt
kirk gibson’s one foot homerun
willie mays catch
the whole red sox comeback from down 3-0 in the series to the yanks
flutie’s hail mary bomb
vince young’s gamewinning run against usc in the natonal championship
and because i’m a phillies fan…
the matt stairs homerun over the dodgers in the nlcs YEESSSSS
November 15th, 2008 at 11:09 am
Ah, Zidane’s headbutt… one of the worst moments in sporting history. Probably cost France the world cup. Shame for me too, I was in Paris that week – the parties would have been amazing.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
How about the 1989 English Football League Championship. Arsenal needed to beat Liverpool 2-0 to win. Michael Thomas scored the second goal in the 91st minute.
The commentator shouted “Its up for grabs now!” I didn’t support either team and leapt out of my seat with excitement.
So exciting they made a film about it(Fever Pitch)
November 15th, 2008 at 11:11 am
Being a Phelps fan- I feel you should have also added to his note- that total slam against the French 4×1… the one where Alain Bernard ate his words? (You’d have to give a nod to the other three swimmers as well… of course!)
November 15th, 2008 at 11:17 am
Matt Stairs! yes haha
Brad Lidge striking out Hinskie to win the 2008 World series was the first sporting moments to ever bring me to tears
November 15th, 2008 at 11:27 am
@debutrans, agree with you hundred percent. The title should be changed to reflect American perspective.
@jfrater, here’s one suggestion from the world of Cricket.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4559245691155972882
November 15th, 2008 at 11:29 am
“I thought this was someone’s opinion of the greatest sports moments of all time, not a multi-government sanctioned be all end all of lists that we all must adhere to.” – Lol MHogan, exactly.
I’m just glad to see a couple people mention him in the comments.
Toss McGuire off the list – he admitted to doing steroids. Not very sporting. You want baseball, put the Red Sox coming back and winning the AlCS and the World Series in 8 games straight – much better baseball moment. I would also like to have seen Doug Flutie on the list, but as a BC alum I am really biased
November 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am
Here are a two of my favorite sports moments, maybe not the ‘Best Moments in sports’, but my favorite:
Lance Armstrong winning his 7th Tour de France – He may be an American but this is not an American sport
Women’s US Soccer over China in 1999 World Cup Semifinals
Holland Orange wins 1988 Euro Cup
November 15th, 2008 at 11:34 am
I meant three…rats
November 15th, 2008 at 11:36 am
most ‘top’ anything lists are merely the opinions of the author. however, some people can’t handle it when the opinion differs from their own, so they whine and toss insults around instead of just getting over it.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:36 am
This is more or less a good list but I’d make a couple of changes. I don’t think Dwight Clark belongs on it. We’d have all forgotten his catch if not for a game saving tackle by Eric Wright and Ronnie Lott a minute later on Drew Pearson. I’d replace ‘em with the Red Sox coming back from 0-3 against the Yankess then going on to win their first World Series in 86 years. Kerri Strugg should be much higher than 12th. Mark “cheater” McGwire shouldn’t be on here at all. The CAL STANFORD play was only possible because the Stanford band was a bunch of idiots. It too should be taken off this list. I’d replace them with David Tyree’s catch in SB 42 and Kirk Gibson in the ‘88 World Series.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:40 am
Carlton Fisk’s HR
Willie Mays’ catch
Bucky Dent’s HR
Bond’s record HRs
Joe Namath wins Super Bowl
Mets win World Series
Bill Mazeroski’s HR
Willis Reed walks onto the court
Alan Ameche’s TD
Gale Sayer’s six TD day
Boston Celtics-Phoenix Suns triple-overtime play-off game
Don Larsen’s perfect game
Clay beats Liston
Foreman vs Ali
Ted Williams’ last game
Seabiscuit / War Admiral match race
Secretariat at Belmont
November 15th, 2008 at 11:41 am
crap list very USA centered
November 15th, 2008 at 11:43 am
Just as I posted, out of the corner my eye I spotted Nelia, #88, standing wide open in the end zone. Doug Flutie’s Hail Mary pass!
November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
Englandexpects, I can’t argue with the last three words of comment #94, so why don’t you post an alternative list? Roger Bannister for sure, and we have to get a Kiwi in there somewhere, Sir Edmund Hillary if mountain climbing counts as a sport, or surely the All Blacks have done something Listverse worthy
November 15th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
I agree that there’s not enough of an international flavor on this list. There’s too many American moments. There’s also a strong anti-American hatred here as well. No decent person would suggest having the 1972 Olympic basketball final when the Soviets “beat” the Americans. They only “won” the gold because some officials at the scorers table conspired to help the Russkies win, and the anti-American bigots on here know that. That said, this list could include the 1972 Summit series when the Canadians beat the Russians or the 1970 World Cup when the Brazilians won for the 3rd time in 4 tries.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
from the top of my head maybe lewis hamilton becoming the first black person to win the f1 world championship, arsenals unbeaten prem season, greece winning euro 2004, usain bolts 100m final, the football matchs during the christmas of 1914, england winning the 2005 ashes, the wimbledon final 2008 and the bobby fischer – Boris Spassky chess match
November 15th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
Hey all.
First time posting, but I’ve enjoyed the site for awhile now.
Thanks for the cool list. I don’t want to sound like a broken record, but It does revolve around American sporting events for the most part. Being a proud Canadian, Not seing Wayne Gretzky on the list is dissapointing. in the 85-86 season he finished with 52 goals and 163 assists giving him 215 points. Mario Lemieux finished second in points totally 141 points over all!! The fact that Wayne had more assists then Mario’s total points is truly a sporting feat!!
having said that, Great list. Keep up the good work.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
I just realized i was post #99.
Wayne wore #99.
Thats pretty cool!!
November 15th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Lance Cairns six 6’s in 10 balls. i know the players of today hit 6’s all the time but he was a legend. one was a one handed 6!
November 15th, 2008 at 12:35 pm
This is list is total bullshit, it’s not the greatest moments in sport, it’s the greatest moments in Amercian sport. (ohh sorry, I’m a Aussie, we appartently are really sensitive) LOL.
Seriously, this list is good although I’m surprised not to see Babe Ruth or Tiger Woods on it.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
Jonah Lomu scoring a try against australia in 2000 to win 39 – 34 at stadium australia in the greatest game of rugby union ever
November 15th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
A couple very noteworthy exceptions….
Bucky F’n Dent
Red Sox 3-0 Rally
Manning’s 2 minute drill against the undefeated Patriots
Bartman!?!?
Buckner’s Bobble
Black Sox Scandal
and aside from Team USA, how about NHL moments here too? Its not like its got the most exciting playoff structure in sports or anything. How about Hull’s skate screwing Buffalo in the finals? Moreover, how in god’s name do you forget The Gurantee? Messier promised NY that they would win game 6 against the Devils in the ECF in ‘94 to keep the series alive. They’re down 2-1 going into the third and Mess scores a NATURAL HAT TRICK to keep the series going. Rangers go on to win their first cup in 40 years. Certainly deserves to be on the list.
If going out and having the balls to say we’re going to win an elimination game and then delivering the goods like that isn’t worthy of this list, I’m not sure what is.
November 15th, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Babe Ruth ran on beer and hot dogs. the same can’t be said for the likes of mcgwire and barry bonds.
#80: i completely forgot about billie jean king. that was a huge victory.
November 15th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
What about Darryl Sittler’s Big Night? Six goals and 4 assists in one game.
Joe Carter hitting a 3 home run in the bottom of the 9th inning to give the Toronto Blue Jays their second consecutive World Series?
debutrans (#4) had it right with the 15 greatest AMERICAN sports moments
November 15th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
#98
I couldn’t agree with you more!
Especially about the wimbledon 2008 final (the best tennis match in history) and of course Greece winning Euro 2004. (I’m greek so for me it has a little bit of extra meaning…)
November 15th, 2008 at 1:20 pm
`quote`67. MHogan -
Oh, and another thing, why does everyone get all up in arms when they do not agree with the lists. I am new to the site so maybe I am missing something but I thought this was someone’s opinion of the greatest sports moments of all time, not a multi-government sanctioned be all end all of lists that we all must adhere to. Its a subjective list so it’s going to be naturally biases to the sports that person watches just as a European’s list might be more slanted to soccer. So what’s the big deal if it has more american sports on it. No one is imposing this list on you.
I love the posts where people bring up there own opinions and arguments for them. Even the comments saying they would personally have a more global slant are great. Its the comments that attack the list or are a little more hostile that puzzle me./~
one of my all time fav comments. thank you so much!
as for those of you who obviously take no time or effort to actually read the list or preceding comments…ya’ll come off like idiots or don’t you care? apparently not.
and again…
someone submit a global version of this list! or a more global version of any list or a list on any topic of interest to you with a global slant.
stop whining and do something productive! submit your own list!
November 15th, 2008 at 1:41 pm
#65 MHogan: “They could have just as easily of played grab ass and the moment would have been just as special.”
LMFAO!!
November 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Usain Bolt should be on the list rather than Phelps.
but yeah, this is pretty much greatest american sports moments, plus there are some errors regarding capital letters in the list.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:29 pm
Look, I’m Scottish – LOVE football (soccer) and personally, I would have liked to see a little more of that in the list.
BUT
I undrstand that these are the greatest moments in sports to someone, if not many people, so I have the decency to accept it. Therefor I have one thing to say to all the people on this side of the pond shouting and balling about the “injustice” of this list: STOP BEING SO IGNORANT.
Is it not obvious that we, the soccer fans, find American football and baseball painfully boring at times and they think exactly the same about soccer?
Let’s just thank Paulb for taking the time to compile a well-thought list and agree to disagree.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
Regardless of the American slant to the list, it is still correct in the Number One choice…the U.S. Hockey victory over the mighty Russians…greatest upset in Sport history..
It would be akin to Canada beating Brazil in Football…or something of that ilk…
November 15th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
This is the first time I wish I would have skipped the comments and stuck with just the list.
Not all lists will please all of the people all of the time, but it’s pretty sad when one leads to name calling and bashing.
Are we 12?
How about some well thought out responses rather than stooping to playground mentality?
One of the greatest things about this site has been the comments. I have been so thrilled with the intelligent responses that this site generates and usually learn as much from the comments as I do from the list.
It’s nice to have varying opinions and brain-stimulating to read a well thought debate on the topic, but please don’t ruin listverse by leaving derogatory comments.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
What about Muhammad Ali and John Carlos and Tommie Smith at the 1968 Olympics?
November 15th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
Oh and No.81 Desed, “…and eventually won by penalty’s.” Learn to spell!
But yes I am a devout Liverpool fan and agree with you on that point.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
This is a human-centric list. Affirmed v. Alydar should be on it and should be #1.
November 15th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
This was a great list – it says right in the foreword if theres any other suggestions to say them, yet everyone is focusing on how its all american sports or persons. I’m not even American and the title doesn’t affect the content of the list – maybe from now on don’t make the titles too specific. You can rename this one so its more politically correct and everyone will be happy – “The (IMHO) greastest sports moments” Problem solved.
November 15th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
in answer to lisandro
JFrater didnt make this list,PaulB did.Another thing, JFrater isnt even american, hes from New Zealand(I think).I agree with you on Lewis Hamilton, that was great.But please dont say shame on you to JFrater if he didnt create the list.Im a brit, i dont even care that it is pretty american, at least Jesse Owens was included.I would be shocked if he hadnt been
November 15th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
Whoops sorry, it wasnt Lisandro who mentioned Lewis Hamilton.My mistake.But still, pretty cool:D
November 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pm
it was me
November 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
I’ve been reading this site for over a year; some of the recent lists suck! This is easily the worst! The older ones are awesome.
You have a huge fan base here, please do some research and look at non-American sources first.
And no cricket! Dear God.
November 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Pretty good list.
When it comes to Michael Jordan I honestly his performance in game 5 of the 1997 finals was one of the most amazing things i’ve ever seen. Those who’ve watched enough basketball and seen what is famously remembered as “The Flu Game” will most likely agree with me that that was one of the greatest moments in sports history.
I’d also include the 1986 mets-red sox world series when Bill Buckner had the ball go under his legs.
November 15th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
It’s a pure disgrace that the greatest act of sportsmanship in Australian sports history wasn’t included in this list. During the 1500 metres at the 1956 Australian champs, John landy Doubled back to help Ron Clark who had fallen after another runner had clipped his heel. He then made up a huge defecit to win the race in the last two strides.
November 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
I guess you are forgetting about the 72 Summit Series, the Montreal Canadiens 5 consecutive Stanley Cups (or 24 total, most successful pro team ever), or Wayne Gretzky’s 1851 point to become (and remain) the leading point scorer in NHL history?
November 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
the Jesse Owens entry is kinda PC bunk, since, in fact, the “German athletes would dominate the games with victories.” They did, indeed win the most medals, by an overwhelming amount.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pm
I just found this site last night and am hooked! The USA hockey upset over Russia is the greatest sporting event that I remember watching so I have to agree that that should be # 1…just my opinion. To this day I can’t hear Al Michaels words without getting all teary-eyed. Toni_M #101…the Lance Cairns “six 6’s in 10 balls”…what sport is that…Cricket?
November 15th, 2008 at 5:28 pm
i am american so i think this list is really interesting but i think another list for maybe europe or australia and other places should be included as well. i am glad you included micheal phelps. he was awesome in the olympics.
maybe that would be a cool list too.
top olympic athletes or wins or something.
November 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pm
Yes there are too many American moments for my liking, however there are plenty of non American competitions involved. I also would not have included McGuire/Sosa or Mike Tyson.I won’t comment on too many of the US sports as I am not a big follower, however I will say That Wilt The Stilt Does belong. Michael Doesn’t – because you can’t forget the Wizards, sorry.
Some alternative suggestions
Olympics
Nadia Comenici
Teofilio Stevenson (Third successive Superheavy Boxing Gold)
Usain Bolt at Beijing
Paavo Nurmi 5 golds at 1924 Olympics including 1500 and 5000 26 minutes apart, both in WR time.
1952 Marathon won by Emile Zatopec with first 8 finishers all under WR
1960 Marathon Abebe Bikila’s barefoot victory
Note For those that have suggested Tommi Smith and John Carlos at Mexico – That was not a SPORTING moment.
Athletics
Roger Bannister 4 min mile
Football
1999 Champions league Final allowing Man U to win Treble.
Ryan Giggs goal in 99 FA Cup semi
John Terry miss in penalty shoot out of 2008 Champions League final
Cricket
Jim Laker 10/53 in an innings vs Australia Manchester 1956
Gary Sobers 6 sixes in one over against Glamorgan
Brian Lara 400 runs in single innings v England 2004
Motorsport
1966 Le Mans McLaren/Amon victory (okay I’m a Teeny weeny bit biased here – however it was Ford’s first of 4 straight and the first formation finish)
1935 German GP another slap in the face for Hitler when the German juggernaut was derailed by Tazio Nuvolari in one of the greatest drives ever.
1957 German GP Juan Manuel Fangio’s finest win.
Dale Earnhardts Daytona 500 win
Boxing
Louis – Schmelling
Ali – Frazier 3
Ali – Foreman
Foreman – Moorer (not the greatest fight, but it’s historical significance)
Duran – Leonard 1
Rugby
NZ vs Wales 1978 Brian McKechnie’s 78th minute penalty to win
or the NZ Vs Ireland game on the same tour when Andy Dalton scored in injury time to get the All Blacks home
Jonah vs England 1995 World Cup
Cheers
Lee
November 15th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
OMG
November 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
greatest moment was when ali beat foreman in the rumble in the jungle, best fight ever.
November 15th, 2008 at 6:11 pm
michael clarke’s 3 wickets in the final over to win in 2007/8
November 15th, 2008 at 6:13 pm
Whoops forgot
Tigers first Masters (not because of the race implications – just the sheer dominance he showed)
Tigers (currently)last major win on one leg
Cheers
Lee
November 15th, 2008 at 6:17 pm
Im a football guy so… these deserve mention
*Rose Bowl 2005 Texas Vs USC (The entire game, not just the final drive)
*Fiesta Bowl 2007 Boise 43 Oklahoma 42 (final hook and later play, amazing game)
*Texas Tech vs Texas about 2 weeks ago, amazing final drive
*Super Bowl 38, Carolina-Patriots
*The amazing catch of the giants in the last superbowl
*Ohio State 42 VS Michigan 39 2006 season. (The latest a #2 and a #1 have played in the regular season. Ohio also played another #2 that season, the earliest ever VS Texas… Ohio beat them both but got destroyed in the BCS championship Vs Florida)
November 15th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
The list is called Greatest Sports moments of all time and it doesn’t deliver. No wonder so many people are unhappy with it… A list like this should contain sports moments that practically everyone would agree despite not having any interest in the sport. Baseball and Amercian Football, Cricket and Rugby are basically a no-go because of their “limited” interest (barely a few countries each) It would have to be really incredible moments (Lou Gehrig is ok but I know better moments)
I can’t say I watch too mush sport but from the top of my head some other incredible moments (most of them are football because it’s the only sport I watch basically):
Nadia Comenici
1966 World Cup Final and the controversial third English goal
The 2005 Champions League Final
The 1950 World Cup Final (Uruguay won over Brazil in Brazil)
The Football War between Salvador and Honduras
Zidane Headbutt
The Ukraine-Nazi Germany football match during WW II
Quite a few Muhammed Ali or Suger Ray moments
The 1-0 english loss to USA in the 1950’s
The 1954 WC final between Germany and Hungary
I’m sure there are many more interesting events in these and other sports. I think the main thing here is a good story. Jesse Owens acomplishment is incredible because of the circumstance. Just breaking a record shouldn;t be enough.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Here’s one for you.. Sir Donald Bradman being dismissed second ball for a duck (that’s 0 for you non-cricket types), leaving his career average on 99.94. If he had’ve scored 4 runs or more his average would have been over 100. Just to put this into context, the next highest average is 66.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:12 pm
Cal Ripken breaking Lou Gehrig’s record.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:31 pm
Beamon’s record was set in the THIN, THIN, THIN air at the high altitude of Mexico City and should have always had an asterisk because of this. There has never been a major track and field event in Mexico City because of this. I was thrilled when Powell finally broke it and left Beamon behind.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
Well, first, let’s say the obvious first. I’m argentinian and the list carries too many US-inside moments. There! I said it. Ok, let’s move on. Paulb did a good job compilling this list (you can agree or not, but is well done and checked). But I realized it’s not the list but the title what’s most controversial. Maybe it can be redone? Anyway, I think I can contribute with some more moments. just for the fun of it.
1- Brazil wins its 5th World Cup on Japan/Korea 2002 (only team ever to win 5 of them)
2- Argentina defeats the “Dream Team” in FIBA World Cup 2002
3- Someone before mentioned the chess match between Bobby Fischer and Spasky. I couldn’t agree more on that.
4- And finally, any final match between Federer and Nadal. Epic.
PS: The Hand of God, totally shameful. But the same match the guy rubs the lamp, and scores the best goal ever. Go figures.
November 15th, 2008 at 7:41 pm
All you idiots who cry about not enough world sports shut the hell up. The world does exist but youre anti americanism is as bad as Hitlers anti jew stance. Grow up. And get over it.
Our sports make more money than any sport except MAYBE soccer. Te Super Bowl averages 30millio viewers a yea not to mention the radio listeners and people there.
Grow up, get over it.
If you want me to get anti world
Who’s saved the worlds ass Twice in the last 100 years?
If not for us, you’d be speaking german.
SHut up and know your facts
November 15th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Pete: Speaking of shutting up and getting over your it? Take your own advice.
November 15th, 2008 at 8:55 pm
Some suggestions for International sports moments.
Dean Jones’ double century in 40+ degree(celcius) heat in India batting for 6 hours. This was back when sportsmen didn’t drink water or “sports drinks” when dehydrated, they drank anything. I believe Dean was drinking soda during the innings. He was so dehydrated he was vomiting everywhere, had pins and needles all over his body, couldn’t bend over and was urinating involuntarily but kept going. He ended up in hospital.
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ci/content/story/142306.html
St George winning 11 First Grade premierships in a row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._George_Dragons
England winning the 2003 Rugby World Cup.
November 15th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
Well this list found all the whiners.
Waah waah it’s too US-centered: guess what, that’s because soccer is boring as hell, and that’s really the only major non-US sport. Why do you think there has to be a riot at every soccer game? Because it’s so mind-destroyingly boring. You’re bringing up chess matches? Really? That’s a game, not a sport.
How about a list of Greatest US College Sports Moments? That would be great if we could keep these soccer-babies from posting on it.
November 15th, 2008 at 9:25 pm
Montreal Canadiens 5 consecutive Stanley Cups should be there… Or Miami Dolphins perfect season…
November 15th, 2008 at 10:02 pm
What about Secretariat’s triple crown, especially his running of the Belmont Stakes which he won by 25 lengths?
Maximuz, I agree that the USC vs. UT game at the 2005 Rose Bowl should have been mentioned, since ESPN and the entire nation had decided that USC was the greatest even before the game was played. But the UT vs. Tech game two weeks ago is pretty much like every Big XII game in and game out. There were some massive holding calls missed by the refs (and I’m not a girl who blames the refs for everything, but if you watched the play where Orakpo was hurt, that was blatant holding, just for example, which was not called). Eh, we will see what Tech can do against OU next week.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
Please, please.
For the sake of being fair for all of the other great countries of the world that participate in sport – rename this list to the top 15 greatest AMERICAN sport moments of all time.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:16 pm
wow, “the other sane one” is 100% correct. Mind destroyingly borin indeed.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:21 pm
@ robneiderman I don’t understand your issue with Diego Maradona. Of course the “Hand of God” goal was a handball, but most soccer players have had a handball at one point or another; his just happened on the biggest stage in soccer. Besides, as an American who ignores soccer, it’s the only goal I really know about, so that speaks to its greatness.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:23 pm
124. boneking
Actually, the most successful pro team in North America (looking nervously at non-North Americans) is the New York Yankees with 26 Championships
It kills me to say it cause there is no team I hate worse than the Yankees (take a guess where my loyalties lie, haha). But, it’s the sad truth
November 15th, 2008 at 10:27 pm
I agree with The Only Sane One, this list is too world-centric. America is the centre of the Universe so why bother with anything other than American sports.
Next time there’s an top 10 inventions list, Edison should be on all 10. And a top 10 Medieval historical list, America should dominate that list too.
November 15th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
michael phelps and the american hockey win should not be on that list
November 15th, 2008 at 10:53 pm
Makybe Dive winning the Melbourne Cup 3 years in a row.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makybe_Diva
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melbourne_Cup
November 15th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
It’s all about usa and it’s sport that nobody else play. If u put heading ‘Top 15 Greatest Sports Moments of All Time’ try to be true to it. Or call it Top 15 Greatest UAS Sports Moments of All Time
November 15th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
I think if you don’t agree with the list, post your own, otherwise don’t cry and whine just because you don’t agree with it. I’m American and I know all these, I may agree or disagree with some, but lists are subjective. The person making them may have a different idea of what’s great than you do. Just because people want to hate on the U.S. doesn’t mean that these weren’t some people’s idea of greatest moments. I think the hatred of American sports is petty and childish. I played soccer for 12 years and love the sport. Pele was one of my personal heroes. I may not understand some sports from other countries, but I am willing to agree that they probably have their greatest moments too. But, it is subjective, what one thinks is greatest may not be what others think, so don’t criticize, instead, publicize, your own list.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
All great moments in Sports! Nice job.
November 15th, 2008 at 11:56 pm
The 1968 Olympics Black Power Salute by athletes Tommie Smith and John Carlos with Australia’s Peter Norman sporting the Olympic Project for Human Rights badge in a show of solidarity is one of the most iconic images of sports history. When I saw the list I thought for sure it would be on there – though it does wander more into the political territory, I suppose.
But with the response to this list, I think we can safely add sports to such subjects as religion and guns, which makes people go nuts and call each other names on listverse.
November 16th, 2008 at 12:05 am
i watched Michael Phelps every time. it was a pain with school though being all late and stuff
November 16th, 2008 at 12:07 am
Paul Henderson’s legendary goal, people! Look it up.
November 16th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Paolo Di Canio’s goal for West Ham against Wimbledon. March 26th, 2000
November 16th, 2008 at 12:34 am
How about Andy Flower and Henry Olonga wearing black armbands to mourn the death of democracy in Zimbabwe? Both men retired from cricket at the end of that World Cup, their protest effectively ending their careers.
Two more to consider are Shane Warne’s first ball in Ashes tests (yes, THAT ball to Gatting) and Eric Moussambani’s swim in the Sydney 2000 Olympics.
November 16th, 2008 at 12:53 am
Lol if this was just my opinion, it would have been a little different.
I must have had like 20 different Greatest Sports moments list, and 18 or 17 of them all had Miracle on Ice as #1, a few of them had Michael Jordans shot ranked from 1-6. So it wasn’t just my opinion, it was compiled off of 20 different lists.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:03 am
Lilith Hel, Mike Tyson was a bonus, he wasn’t ranked. It was supposed to be funny. But i apologize you humor arrays aren’t charged as high as they should be
November 16th, 2008 at 1:08 am
robneiderman,
Everyone knows the Hand of God was cheating. Oh but that Goal he made afterwards was so beautiful, it was enough to compensate for 7 Hands of Gods.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Mazeroski’s HR was more dramatic than Thompson’s since it actually won a World Series. That’s the difference between playing for a NY team and beating a NY team.
November 16th, 2008 at 2:01 am
Wow. So many American moments. Apparently the rest of the world doesn’t play sport. Maradona’s the only non-American one.
November 16th, 2008 at 2:28 am
Well, for those who are saying that this is just someone’s opinion, I don’t think most of us would like if we all here added our lists as our own opinions on this site for everyone to read. Point I am trying make here is that even if these lists are compiled by one of us they have to be thoroughly researched and be more global or at least abide to their title.
I absolutely would have added the feat of Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay et. al. for conquering something where so many died attempting before them, or those who climbed K2 for the first time since it is supposedly more treacherous. There are many other sporting moments mentioned by a lot of other folks on the comments section and they are truly universal (true to list universe’s one of the connotations, I don’t know if Jamie meant it that way).
A couple of times earlier I have mentioned how older lists were really great and newer lists are losing that touch, it would be great if that same old touch could be revived. All said, I definitely appreciate paulb’s efforts for creating this list and Jamie’s efforts for creating this wonderful web site for infusing us to a world of knowledge.
November 16th, 2008 at 2:53 am
GREAT LIST I LOVE IT!
I could say something like “Hey what about this moment or hey what about this?”
But then other people would be unhappy about my addition. Can’t make everyone happy can you?
leave as is, i love it paulb
November 16th, 2008 at 3:41 am
No mention of Doug Flutie’s “The Pass”. I am very shocked.
November 16th, 2008 at 4:12 am
no. 57 lisandro: 1 tough dude
November 16th, 2008 at 4:25 am
Could you people complain any more?
November 16th, 2008 at 4:35 am
139. Pete did your country think we will make up for “saving there asses” by trying to destroy the world economy?
wanker
November 16th, 2008 at 5:52 am
warrrreagl
Fair challenge, i’ll rise to it. Here is my list of top 15 sporting moments, in no particular order.
1. Lewis Hamilton winning the 2008 f1 world championship on the last corner on the last lap of the last race.
2. Jonny Wilkinson winning the 2003 Rugby World cup with the last kick of the game
3. Liverpool winning the 2005 champions league with one of the greatest comebacks ever
4. Manchester United doing a similar feat, winning the 1999 champions league with 2 goals in the last 2 minutes
5. Michael Phelps, 8 golds in the 2008 Olympics
6. Nadia Comenici getting a perfect 10, TWICE
7. Flojo getting the 100 metre record nearly 30 years ago. Name a track record that has stood for that long.
8. The US hockey team winning THAT game.
9. Rumble in the Jungle
10. Greece winning the 2004 Euro Championships
11. Jesse Owens, in a Barack Obama like moment
12. The Wimbledon Final between Nadal and Federer
13. Jackie Stewart’s winning mnargin of 4 minutes at the Nurbergring
14. New York Giants ending the Patriots incredible run.
15. Roger Bannister first to break 4 minute mile
That would be my list, but the whole point of lists is subjective. Oh well, you can please everyone can you? Everyone is biased towards their prefered sport, so lets just leave it at that.
November 16th, 2008 at 6:14 am
139. pete. sure took your time getting motivated there buddy, have you actually won a war since 1945? sorry but you started it.
if you want to talk money, the highest paid national sporting team in the world is the indian cricket team. and i think you will find most elite forms of motorsport to have more viewers than any other sport.
for attendance you will find that the US does not rate in the top 8 for international club competition in any sport, and the super bowl is ranked 16 for attendence to a domestic club championship event.
NFL does however have the highest average attendence per game for a domestic league, but IPL (cricket), Bundesliga (football), AFL (better football), and Premier League (football) all rate higher than MLB (baseball, if you didn’t know).
so there you go, i checked the facts (wiki never lies); your turn buddy.
November 16th, 2008 at 6:28 am
everyone; i apologise for my first sentence above. sorry.
November 16th, 2008 at 8:08 am
abit bia’s towards america lol, what about ole gunner for man united in 1999 and teddy , scored 2 goals in the last 2 minutes to win the champions league! ( at 90 minutes we was 1-0 down)
and another one is the fact that man united won the treble that year, another great moment in itself
November 16th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Whythisnow – I dont think anyone can argue that the miracle on ice shouldn’t be number 1. There hasn’t ever been such a large upset on such a national stage. Yes, most american sports don’t have the national stage that americans think they do and to be honest, they don’t. So basically the largest stages in the world are the olympics and the world cup. The american team was a bunch of college kids because they had to be amateurs (US rules at the time was that athletes for the olympics had to be amateurs, no professionals). The russian team was the most dominant team in the world ever. They didn’t just beat the US nhl teams (which were multi-national teams, american, canadian and european), they beat the world, over and over (from 1960 when the US had last won the olympic hockey gold, the russians won easily in 64, 68, 72, 76 and were favored to win the gold in 80)
This was an american team of kids that was put together with maybe a year of practice playing against the most seasoned veterans on this world stage, some who had been playing together for over a decade.
This is the ‘little engine that could’ the world over.
November 16th, 2008 at 8:16 am
and what about joe calazge’s boxing record?
i wouldnt be suprised if you american wankers had ”rocky beats mr t” as one your best sports moments, u fuckwits
November 16th, 2008 at 8:54 am
Gaz nice commet made me lol
November 16th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Paulb,
I think the list is great, and very interesting. it’s just the title that was a bit misleading (perhaps a little like naming the American Baseball championship “The World Series”…). Anyway, apart from the Baseball and Football moments, I believe any sport’s fan from any country in the world could relate to the items on the list. Just off the top of my head, I would also add:
1. Nadia Comaneci’s perfect 10.
2. Lance Armstrong winning the 1999 Tour de France, after recovering from cancer.
3. Manchester United vs. Bayern Munich, the two last goals at the 1999 UEFA Cup Final.
4. Smith’s and Carlos’ Black Panther raised fists at the 1968 Mexico City Olympics. Very American, but also a moment that became an International one.
Again, thanks for the list.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:30 am
14 out of 15 are Americans. WTF?
November 16th, 2008 at 10:01 am
I have to agree with a couple of the earlier posters. Kirk Gibson’s 1988 World Series Game 1 winning home run would have to be on the list for me.
November 16th, 2008 at 10:34 am
well done Mark (steroid) McGwire
shouldnt be included
how about arsenal going undefeated for a whole season!
November 16th, 2008 at 11:03 am
lewis hamilton winning the championship on the last race n the last corner
i hate to say dis but
how about arsenal going undefeatead for a WHOLE season?!
November 16th, 2008 at 11:09 am
forgot one…
how about van der sar saves ALL of the penalty against chelsea in the community shield
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the final of champions league 08 penalty shoot-out
November 16th, 2008 at 11:23 am
173. labrat: everyone; i apologise for my first sentence above. sorry.
****
That’s ok, labrat, I’m an American and I came very close to saying the same thing to Pete myself. In fact, I was the first one to get on him for acting the “ugly American” about the whole thing.
November 16th, 2008 at 11:40 am
i really know nothing about sports (american or otherwise
)
but i was so happy to see lou gehrig’s speech on the list, it’s moment that helps us all appreciate being alive.
November 16th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
im terribly sorry but no one in the world cares about baseball or the thing you call football in the rest of the world. there are really many other sport moments that are important and breathtaking than all that football thing. of course ou can put football moments for which it is a sport too but come on! dont you know anything about nadia comaneci or the world cup final which the brits won against the germans by the wrong decision of the referee or the death of ayrton senna or… or… there so many things going on outside u.s.a so please just don’t forget what morrissey says.
AMERICA İS NOT THE WORLD
November 16th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
No Nadia Comaneci or Mary Lou Retton?
November 16th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
This list is terrible I cant agree more with the comments that it is too US focused. The it reminds me of the American arrogance to call their baseball competition “the World Series”. It also reminds me of watching the Atlanta Games in 96 whilst in America, it was as though no other (non-us) athletes were competing.
I agree with Felix (#10) for those suggestions and some of the champions league finals. I do agree with Jesse Owens and Phelps, but 4 references to baseball – who cares?!!
November 16th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
This is a list that should never have been done. Maybe a Top 100 list, and not in any particular order. Even one like that, though, would piss people off.
November 16th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
For an international (well, Australian) moment I can’t go past Jason McCartney. McCartney was one of the many victims in the 2002 Bali bombing. His injuries included extensive burns to large parts of his body. After 8-9 months of rehab he came back to play AFL (Australian Rules) football. He played a crucial part in the dying minutes for his team to comeback and win in his first game back. When the siren sounded and game finished, he promptly retired. Whilst not the greatest sporting feat – definitely a great moment.
November 16th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Pete: And what was your country doing from 1914-1917 and 1939-1941? Sitting on your backsides while the rest of the world was fighting and dying, that’s what, for all you cared about the rest of the “worlds ass” until your own interests came under attack. Those wars were Allied victories, not US victories.
In any case, WTF does that have to do with this topic?
November 16th, 2008 at 4:55 pm
labrat (172) Nice response to Pete (including the first sentence)certainly better than the Fuck You I had planned.
One question for the Pete types though. Why is it ANTI American to point out that a list titled 15 Greatest Sports Moments is lacking in moments from other countries?
For those who are crapping on about The World Series, you might want to actually check out WHY it is called that.
Gaz (176) What about Calzaghe’s record? Nothing overly outstanding there. Mind you it and the Undefeated season suggestions (Dolphins and The Arse) bring up the question, to me anyway, What is *A Moment* in Sports.
Whythisnow (150) Why Not? Frankly I think you’re wrong about the US hockey team. It certainly deserves to be on the list though some might want to argue exactly where. Phelps I can perhaps see a case for not including, but only if you replace him with Mark Spitz who’s 7 from 7 all in WR times may arguably be a greater achievement. Phelps beat Spitz’s record by swimming 1 extra event that was not part of the program in 72. What was the best before Spitz?
Cheers
Lee
November 16th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
15. Wayne Gretzky becomes all-time leading scorer
14. Wilt Chamberlain scores 100 points.
13. Tiger Woods wins first master
12. Joe Namath predicts super bowl win, and then does it.
11. Roger Bannister breaks 4 minute mile
10. Cal-Stanford
9. Michael Phelps
8. Jackie Robinson
7. Lou Gehrig’s Farewell Speech
6. Jesse Owens
5. Lance Armstrong wins 7 consecutive Tour De France’s after overcoming testicular cancer
4. Jordan’s Final Shot
3. The Giants defeat the Patriots and ruin their perfect season in the Super Bowl in a dramatic comeback
2. Red Sox come back and beat the Yankees in 7 games and then sweep the World Series to win their first championship in 86 years.
1. USA Hockey Team
Notice I didn’t include any foreign sports…mostly because I don’t know anything about them…or care. I can watch the World Cup and Olympics, but other then that in all honesty, i don’t really care.
And cricket? come on, thats just crap.
November 16th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Personally, i dont count Chamberlains 100 point game as the record.Im happy to give him all his other records, but the Knicks didnt have anyone tall enough to defend him. Thats like the soccer (or football, depending on country) record going to a guy playing against a team with their legs only going down to their shins.
November 16th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
In my opinion this is a pretty good list of the greatest sporting moments…when you look at it from an American point of view. Certainly some great moments there.
However (and I am sorry to go on like a broken record so I’ll try not to repeat too much of what has already been said)…the title of this list really does need changing. It is not a bad list and I do understand it is just one person’s opinion, but you only need to look at the preceding comments to realise how many people agree with me.
When selecting the greatest sporting moments I think it is impossible to be completely objective (as with most lists that aren’t based on statistical criteria). Such a list will also no doubt be dependent on the author’s nationality. But to claim that 14 of the 15 greatest sporting moments of ALL TIME were American is simply ludicrous.
My suggestion: scrap Maradona and put Tyson in at no. 14, and rename the list “Greatest American Sporting Moments”. Once that’s done, accept a separate worldwide list on the same topic (including SOME of the entries from this list, but with a selection of other entries as listed by other commentors).
Also, for those attacking the people that disagree with the title of this list: surely the sheer number of disgruntled commentors and general sentiment suggests that the majority agrees with me.
p.s. I am not attacking Paulb or being anti-American. I simply think this is a very good list with an unfortunate title
November 16th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
A final point – the fact that most of the preceding comments are related to the title of the list rather than a discussion of the relative worth of each individual entry must surely suggest that something is rotten in the state of Denmark?
November 16th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
What fascinates me is how proudly some Americans claim they don’t watch other countries’ sports, or care less about them, or put any value on them, and yet get all uptight if there is a hint of the reverse sentiment. So uptight that they have to lay claim to have saved the world single-handed on two occasions. Now surely those are two of the Greatest Sporting (team) Moments of All Time that have been left out? Individual contender – Audie Murphy, or Eddie Rickenbacker?
And apropos, Pete: Some of us might otherwise in fact be speaking Japanese, Turkish or Italian, if you study your history carefully.
Seriously, I agree, the ill-conceived title is the only real problem. Or perhaps it was deliberately set up to court hot controversy?
November 16th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
190. Damo: That story brought tears to my eyes. It really is what sport is supposed to be all about, doing ones best, no matter what, for ones team and ones fans. It’s about being a hero, an idol, someone kids can look up to and admire, someone to aspire to be like.
Jason McCartney surely embodied all of that, and more.
What a guy!
November 16th, 2008 at 8:25 pm
Damo (#190…and to a lesser extent segue #198) – I watched that game and agree it was an amazing moment, but my favourite AFL moment would have to be Ted Whitten’s final lap of the Melbourne Cricket Ground (MCG).
For those that don’t know, Ted was one of the most celebrated Australian Rules Football players of all time (named captain of the AFL team of the century). He also played a huge role in promoting the game after his retirement. Ted was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer and a few weeks before his death he was driven around the MCG before the start of a State of Origin AFL match.
He was blind from the cancer, and had to lean on his son for support but received a standing ovation from the crowd. Every time I watch the footage it gives me goosebumps.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
HELLO! I cannot believe the immaculate reception is not on this list!! It considered one of the most amazing moments in football history, not to mention sports history. Maybe I’m biased because I’m PITTSBURGH, PA born and raised (Go Steelers!) but I think it DEFINITELY deserves to be on this list.
I’m sorry if this was already mentioned, I did not read all the comments.
Watch the video if you have never heard of it. Gives me chills when I watch it!
November 16th, 2008 at 9:14 pm
Sorry I’m having a brain fart, search immaculate reception on youtube. I can’t get it to post on here.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:30 pm
Even if this list has an American-bias (which it clearly does) there are some great sporting moments missing, which I can’t believe were not included!
Some of these have been mentioned in other comments, but they were are internationally significant sporting moments, which deserved to be on this list…seriously shocked they were missing…
- Bannister’s 4 minute mile – did what was previously thought of as being impossible
- Ali vs Foreman – for obvious reasons
- Steve Redgrave – 5 consectutive gold medals at 5 different olympics
- Lance Armstrong – again, obvious
- Ben Johnson 100m – caught using steriods…was the beginning of the war with drugs in sport
November 16th, 2008 at 9:42 pm
segue, Damo and Precision,
That sounds more like a separate topic coming on: “The ?? Most Moving Sporting Moments”. Another was mentioned above about a driver trying to rescue a crashed driver, and thereby foregoing a vital career win.
The aspect of the indomitable human spirit must enter into it, and I am reminded of some of those collapsing finishes (or collapses underway) particularly by marathon runners and long-distance walkers. There must be plenty of contenders, and surely this would make an excellent topic.
Maradona’s Hand of God also suggested another potential related topic: “The Top 10 Sports Cheating Moments”. A perfect example was provided by one of our (Chile’s, in this case) finest goalkeepers, Roberto ‘Condor’ Rojas during a World Cup qualifying match with Brazil. Chile was losing 1-0 near the end. Suddenly Rojas fell to the ground with blood streaming from his face. He produced a ball with a razor blade embedded in it, which he claimed had been thrown from the Brazilian crowd. But it turned out on ivestigation to be a self-inflicted wound in the hope of having the match anulled. Chile suffered a consequent World Cup ban, and Rojas a much longer career one.
November 16th, 2008 at 9:51 pm
Forgot to add:
A year or so back I bought a treasured gift card, which I cannot bring myself to lose by sending it to anyone. It shows a photograph of Maradona shaking hands with Peter Shilton, the English goalkeeper, before THAT match and THAT goal. A bubble comment is coming from Maradona’s mouth, “Oy, steady on, don’t squeeze too hard, mate, that’s my goalscoring hand!”
November 16th, 2008 at 10:10 pm
Anon-
Another of my favourite “most moving” sporting moments was watching Eric “The Eel” Moussambani swimming in the 100m freestyle at the Sydney Olympics in 2000. Prior to competing he had never even seen an Olympic-size pool (according to Wikipedia) and only gained entry to the games as part of a program aimed at assisting developing nations to participate. Eric completed the race just over twice as slow as the eventual winner, but the crowd cheered him all the way and it was amazing and very emotional to watch. I believe Eric is the “Eddie the Eagle” of my generation
So yes, a “most moving sporting moments” list would be great reading, although I suggest it would be very challenging to compile!
November 16th, 2008 at 10:13 pm
#1:Paul Henderson in the Canada/USSR 1972 series!!!!! It was incredible!!!
#2: US/USSR 1980 Olympic gold medal game
also:
Doug Flutie’s Hail Mary pass for Boston College
Nadia Comeneci’s perfect 10
Usan Bolt smashing 100m record
Roger Bannister’s 4 minute mile
remove:
Mark Mcguire- no cheaters!!!
Black power salute at 1968 Olympics by 200m winners- this is politics, not sports achievement
Kerri Strug- clutch vault but not a super achievement
Somebody make another list please that includes more of the rest of the world
November 16th, 2008 at 10:14 pm
Moving sporting moment (which I saw on tv): 2002 Salt Lake City. Skeleton (head first down the mountain on a sled) has been reinstated onto the program. US entrant is the grandson of a man who won it way back. Granddad killed in a car accident recently. Grandson wants to pull out. Family talks him into it. Behind by .02 at the first timing point. Behind by .01 at the second. Wins by .01 second. Pulls photo of granddad out of his helmet.
I will admit to wanting Americans to lose whenever possible, and I will also admit to being seriously moved by that moment.
Indomitable human spirit moment (which I didn’t know till I read about recently): Seoul 1988. Yachting is held off Busan. Sudden wind storm. One sailor swept off his boat. Leading sailor abandons his lead to rescue him. Later wins the gold medal on points anyway.
(I’m working from memory here. Please don’t point out errors.)
Anon 204: hehehehe! Later, when he packed on weight, one newspaper ran the caption “Hand of God. Body of Buddha”.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:12 am
I loved this list! But as I was reading it, I knew that there would be all this pissed off comments about how American it is. You people do realize that Jamie isn’t God, right? This isn’t the be-all, end-all, Master List of the Universe. Make your own lists and SHUT UP.
November 17th, 2008 at 1:37 am
Precision: I agree the Ted Whitten lap of the MCG was the greatest / most moving moment ever in the AFL.
Another Australian moment that brings tears to my eyes whenever I see the replay is from the day Damien Oliver rode Media Puzzle to victory in the 2002 Melbourne Cup. Damien’s brother (a fellow jockey) had been killed a couple of weeks earlier in a race fall and as Damien passed the post – wearing his brother’s silks – he saluted the heavens. Amazing moment which, I believe, is currently being made into a feature film.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Liverpool 0 Arsenal 2 Anfield May 1989
A nine month football season decided in the last few moments of referees optional time. My greatest moment ever (this from a South African who has seen SA win the Rugby World cup twice)
USA beatin USSR at Hockey Priceless!
But that is why we love sports
Arsenal! The greatest moment ever
November 17th, 2008 at 4:13 am
And kelly Slater???!!! 9x world champion
November 17th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Pearson,
I was fortunate enough to catch by chance on a public TV channel that Liverpool-Arsenal match and the amazing final goal. Never forgotten. Whenever anyone moans about keeping on watching boring or average sporting contests week in, week out, I always remind them that unless you sit through a heap of base metal you are very unlikely ever to catch such a nugget of gold as it happens. It is also a valuable reminder not to walk out before the very, very end of a tight match!
That way, my wife and I have been at the ground, our team 1-4 down with the whistle almost in the ref’s mouth for the end, and the faithful trooping out dejectedly, only to stay on in my own place and watch us make it a 4-4 draw in the incredibly nailbiting final moments. I often wonder what the *deserters* outside made of the roars of excitement and triumph from those of us left within!
That way, amny years earlier, I was also privileged to be present with my father at what has been described as “probably the most remarkable game ever in the history of League (Association) football”. Our team, Charlton (relegated that season to the old Division 2) vs Huddersfield Town. Spectator numbers in the multiple 10s of thousands. Just before Christmas, bitterly cold in the Thames valley sector of London, with flurries of snow at times almost obscuring the action. After no more than the first quarter of an hour we lost our star defender with a dislocated shoulder. That was in the *bad old days* before substitutions. With a mere 28 minutes of the full 90 left, we were 5-1 down at home. Hopeless? Hang on to your seats. Huddersfield scored once more, but we netted 6 to win 7-6, 10 men against 11. Five of those seven were scored by one player who would tragically die of cancer a year or so later. It is said to be the only time in a League match a side has scored 6 and lost, let alone against depleted opposition! Anybody in this thread who had been there with me could hardly fail to have nominated that as one of the greatest sporting moments of all time!
In compensation for Liverpool – as if they needed compensation, I too would cite that vs Inter Milan European Cup victory. Again, I was fortunate enough to catch part of it on my mother-in-law’s cable TV here in Chile. We were visiting for lunch, and I politely refrained from the first half, as we were eating. Switching on and seeing the result at half-time, I suggested we went home, it was effectively all over. But my wife wanted to pick some fruit or something, thanks to which I caught that amazing second half.
I’ve watched memorable international golf competitions which build up to a mighty finale like a Wagner opera and finish in a magnificent and emotionally exhausting crunching head to head. Surprising how many have involved the glorious ‘Golden Bear’, Jack Nicklaus. But somehow on account of its scale and tempo, golf is not *engineered* to be remembered for its great indivdual moments or achievements. Shame.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:58 am
northerngirl: kerri strugg on the vault was “not a super achievement”. what could she have done to make this super? fought through injury? check. needed a great vault to win? check. stuck the landing with a badly hurt ankle? check.
feel free to say it doesn’t belong on this list but not super? that is just foolish.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:27 am
The problem is not with the list, it is with the name of the list. To call it the greatest sporting moments of all time is just inaccurate and a litle arrogant, on behalf of out American betheren. just call it what it is and nobody will have a problem. The English language is a beautiful thing whern used correctly and can pretty much be used to protray even the most esoteric of concepts , yet time and time again it is being misused in this slovenly way to describe lists that frankly do not meet the criteria
November 17th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Who ever said Lance Armstrong took Seriods is retarded, its called Chemotherpy!
Everyone who is pissed about the US stuff on this list, needs to get a life. Its a fucking list, don’t read it if you don’t like the US. Yes Baseball and America Football sucks but so does Soccer (football). The only true sport is Rugby!
November 17th, 2008 at 10:45 am
ELWAY?????
What about “The Drive”?
November 17th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Jayme,
Keep your hair on, squire. People are entitled to their opinions. They only need to be fairly civilised in the way they express them. I imagine there are numbers of non-US regulars out there such as myself for whom various of the items are quite meaningless. That isn’t a judgement, it’s a fact. I think it quite reasonable to dissent over the title, or else to expect a wider representation. Would Americans be happy if no single American had been represented in the list? Don’t read the list, as you say, is a pointless response. Broadly speaking, regulars have a right to expect lists they can enjoy and relate to, whether Americans or not. Start your own list then: sports that piss me off. I’ll rememeber not to read it.
And I entirely agree about Lance Armstrong. It looks as though there’s a snide campaign against him, rather as with Lewis Hamilton. Both of them sporting heroes of mine, along with Jesse Owens and several others. So glad they gave their enemies the finger (or two fingers) in the best possible way: winning.
November 17th, 2008 at 12:32 pm
This is actually the single worst list on this site, and clearly written by an American. What about Lemieux coming back after cancer? Matt Busby winning the European cup after Munich? England in 66? The only entries that fit on a greatest sports moment list are Robinson and Gehrig. Admirable to take on the subject as there was no doubt there would be controversy – but honestly – give your head a shake!
November 17th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
2004 Boston Red Sox 3-0 comeback against the Yankees- u kidding me? how does that not make the list
November 17th, 2008 at 1:10 pm
To hell with all this criticism! Great list! Let’s get a chant going! “U-S-A! U-S-A! U-S-A! COME ON EVERYONE!!! U-S-A”
But seriously. I don’t think there’s anything wrong with an American writing about the moments that have been prevalent here in the States. It’s a shame that so many of you are offended.
My suggestion is that you get over it and write your own damn list.
November 17th, 2008 at 1:58 pm
You know what? If you want a list of the greatest AMERICAN sports moments, then call it that. If you were to do so then there actually would be nothing wrong with that – but by calling it a list of the greatest sports moments and filling it with American rubbish you insult great sportsmen (and women) of every other nationality by excluding them.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:13 pm
o.k. non-americans. i can see what you are saying about a slant to this list. fine. but what can you offer to the conversation besides soccer and driving. most everyone that has offered criticism hasn’t ventured much past this scope.
llninja: (comment 218) if you don’t include the 1980 US/Russia hockey game in greatest sports moments then you are too blinded by your bias to even speak in this conversation.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:18 pm
Yes, I’m clearly blinded by my bias for Russian hockey teams. Wow.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Although, to be fair I didn’t mention Jesse Owens. Jesse should actually be number one on this list.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
#194 Pwnstar: “i dont count Chamberlains 100 point game as the record…the Knicks didnt have anyone tall enough to defend him.”
Do you also think, for example, that Don Larson’s perfect game “shouldn’t count” because it was only due to the Dodgers having no one good enough to get a hit?
November 17th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
llninja: too blinded with your anti-american slant.
November 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Gaz,(#176) I suppose you would have placed the Football game from “Victory” on the list if you had made it. I mean, that was the game that freed Rocky from the POW Camp to fight Mr. T in the first place.
Jon (#188) You are aware that you were watching the 96 Olympics when you were IN AMERICA. Of course our stations make it sound like Americans are the only people in the Olympics. This is not a slam on the rest of the world in any way, but the fact is that the US has a lot of athletes in the games. It is only natural that american stations are going to focus on the american athletes rather than others. Had you been watching in Britain I assume the BBC would have been focused on the British athletes above anyonwe else.
That being said, I agree that the list is US centric. I grew up watching Football in Europe and think there should be more sports represented.
In my opinion the US-USSR hockey match is still the greatest sporting moment because of all of the outside factors (Cold War anyone?) involved and the relative inexperience of the US players. This would be the equivalent of your High School Football (european version) team beating the Brazilians in the World Cup.
And for all those people who think Baseball is boring to the rest of the world, I agree with you. That being said Jackie Robinson signing and playing with the Dodgers is a great sporting event because it helped push forward the US civil rights movement, which ultimately led to Obama becoming the first African American President. Not to take away from anyone else in the movement, but is was important for americans to see that a black man could compete on the field with anyone.
Oh and Fischer beating Spassky is a great moment, just not a sports one since Chess is not a sport. No disrespect to chess intended, I just don’t see it as a sport.
Oh and as a Wizards fan (thats basketball, people) We want to forget Jordan as well since he didn’t help us out at all except for being a terrible GM and screwing up our team because of his vanity.
November 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
kiwitaxi 192 : well my point is Rocky Marciano is up there on the list with his undeafed record, so why isnt joe cal??
i put my money on it that if joe was american, he’d be on the list
November 17th, 2008 at 3:08 pm
undefeated* (
November 17th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
222. DiscHuker : we can offer tennis, cricket, rugby, gaelic football, boxing, football ( not soccer
), and yes ”driving” as you put it.
and many other sports
and people make ”american football” out to be great, and tbh its wank! haha, its rugby for pussys, and its called football, yet u run holding the ball ??? makes no sense at all!
football is called football in europe cause the ball goes to the foot, its abit obv really!
November 17th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
227. Marv in DC – November 17th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Gaz,(#176) I suppose you would have placed the Football game from “Victory” on the list if you had made it. I mean, that was the game that freed Rocky from the POW Camp to fight Mr. T in the first place.
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dude i have no fuckin idea what you just said lol, but if i did make this list, i would make the list 30 greatest moments, and would add somthing from each sport, and try make it as non bias as possible, i wouldnt just create a whole list based on american sports
and your number 1 in the list ( rag tag hockey teens or somthing) sounds alot like man united with there bunch of kids ( beckham, giggs, scholes, butt, neville brothers) and alex was famously told by alan hanson ” you wont win anything with kids” and was alan hanson wrong
yup.
November 17th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Just Americans then!!!!!
November 17th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
@Marv in DC #227
Much as the BBC does have its biases, it is possible to get a balanced view of world sport from their programming. Events where there is no British interest (Womens Pole vault for example where a Russian athlete set world record after world record) are typically well covered. My experience was that the American broadcasters only were interested in their own athletes and therefore it would be difficult for people in the US to have any idea of the performances beyond their shores
November 17th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Dischuck or whatever the hell you call yoursel – yes, my anti American slant which leads me to acknowledge that Jesse Owens and Lou Gherig were tremendous athletes and well worth inclusion on this list. And my anti-american slant that also makes me think that it is so incredibly obvious that Lance Armstrong should own the top spot on this list that it doesn’t even bear mentioning. Wow, I’m so anti-american. If it’s not too anti-american of me, I’d say you’re a bit paranoid and perhaps even secretly self-loathing?
November 17th, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Rabble Rabble Rabble.
This is the most entertaining set of comments I have ever scrolled through! Responses range from near-essays on sporting history to a simple, “14 out of 15 are Americans. WTF?” I commented ages ago but have since decided to step back and enjoy this page develop through other people’s opinions.
Thanks everyone.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
#235 Niallags – Here is my near-essay on sporting history:
American football > “soccer”. Way. FTW. LOL.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:03 pm
Ninnyja or whatever… Maybe your bias is showing in writing off all the American achievements as *rubbish* (your 221) no mention of any of the other admiration until you attempted to justify yourself. BTW Lance does not belong on the list as there was nothing special about the MOMENT he won his seventh TDF. It is and will always be a great ACHIEVEMENT but not a moment.
Gaz. (228) Having rechecked Joe’s record I will grant it as better than I recall however, like Marciano, I don’t believe a career, or a season should be on this list. Otherwise where is Rod Laver for his Tennis Grand Slams. And even if Joe remains retired his place in boxing history will still be behind that of Rocky and Floyd Mayweather (assuming he stays retired). Though no doubt Joe would have received more recognition if he had fought in the USA.
For a boxer to make such a list as this he needs a Punch (Marciano KO Walcott, Foreman KO Moorer) a Round (Ali vs Cleveland Williams – the round Ali won without throwing a punch)or at most a fight (Jones jr vs Toney I, Ali vs Foreman, Foreman vs Frazier, Nelson vs Fenech I)
Cheers
Lee
November 17th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Jon
I absolutely agree with you. My point is simply that it is natural for US broadcasting stations to focus on the americans. The fact is that americans are represented in almost all of the sports. Once again I am not trying to brag or slam other countries. I will say that it seems that the US stations offer more total coverage of the olympics than other countries do in general. (this is only based on my experience of growing up overseas and watching the Olympics in different countries). That being said, in this past olympics I was able to watch quite a number of other countries compete. For instance the great british success in Kayaking. But I can’t deny the slant towards american coverage. I wonder if the same slant applies to countries like China and the former USSR wherein they would focus mostly on the soviets or chinese.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
Marv (238) and Jon (233) – In Australia our “Olympic Network” (Channel 7) tends to focus its coverage around Australian competitors, and particular Australian competitors in sports that Australia traditional does well in e.g. swimming.
I had assumed that the broadcasters of most countries would adopt a similar strategy in providing Olympic Games coverage. Personally I found it quite annoying at times, as the coverage jumps from sport to sport just so we can view an Aussie competing. There was actually quite a lot of backlash and poor reviews of the coverage of the Beijing Olympics.
Luckily we had another broadcaster (SBS) that was able to broadcast events that Channel 7 deemed “less worthy” but which were sometimes much more entertaining than watching yet another Australian compete in a swimming heat.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:30 pm
k1w1taxi…..Soooo when I mentioned Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig (see post 218 if you can find it) then I guess I wasn’t expressing admiration. And I suppose that you’re right – there was actually no ‘moment’ when Lance Armstrong did anything great. (Huh?) Anyhow, let’s just veto great moments in sport in favor of a bunch of rubbish like Marky Mark McGwire and the funky steroid bunch.
November 17th, 2008 at 6:49 pm
DiscHuker,
Supposing you are being genuinely chauvinistic rather than simply shit-stirring to wind people up as *a major LV sporting moment*, here is a selection (not exhaustive) of solidly international sports that qualify. They include some from the actual list, in parentheses, and by no means exclude US participants, far from it. What they do is open the door to consideration of the many other nationalities which clearly might be represented, and in many cases bloodly well ought to be:
(athletics)
(boxing)
cricket
cycling
(football, Association)
golf
(gymnastics)
ice-skating
motor sport
rugby, Union
sailing
skiing
(swimming)
tennis
tobogganing (winter olympics)
This is all off the top of my head, but among the men and women of other nationalities up for consideration other than the US and Argentina, either individually or as teams, I would suggest (for starters):
Australia, Belgium, Brazil, Chile, the Czech Republic, England (and the other home countries, sometimes collectively as Britain), Ethiopia, Finland, Germany, Greece, Italy, Kenya, The Netherlands, New Zealand, Roumania, Russia, Spain, South Africa, Sweden, Switzerland The West Indies (collectively), (with apologies to all left out in this quick skim).
My own personal reminder of one magnificent, heart-wrenching, forgotten moment, an absolute contender:
Jaroslav Drobny vs Ken Rosewall, Wimbledon.
Get a less arrogant international sporting life, some of you.
And surely Top KNOWN and REMEBERED Greatest Sporting Moments?
November 17th, 2008 at 8:24 pm
Wow you are all strung out over this…get a grip.
No matter where we live we are all going to think “OUR” sports are the greatest. Who cares?
But still, I absolutely think THE IMMACULATE RECEPTION needs to be on here….COME ON! Not one of you have mentioned that amazing play! Lame.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:41 pm
Jenna Bug,
“No matter where we live we are all going to think “OUR” sports are the greatest.”
Modified from my 241:
Get a more international sporting life, some of you.
November 17th, 2008 at 8:46 pm
Jenna_Bug: the problem with the list is that the title suggests that the entries are a roughly accurate reflection of the greatest moments to have ever happened in any sport since the beginning of recorded history. Naturally some debate would be expected about such events but not this much complete and utter disagreement. Furthermore if the list’s title were more apt it would be safe to say that debate would not revolve around USA vs The World but rather entry vs entry.
Most of the relevant discussion in the comments relates to the list’s title, not a debate about “my sport is better than your sport”. Note that I said RELEVANT discussion.
As has been stated previously by those making the argument against the title: this is a very good list with an unfortunate name.
I agree with you that each individual commentor has their own opinion regarding which is the “greatest” sport, but this is a list of the greatest sporting MOMENTS and hence must be subjected to a more objective critique.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:17 pm
Precision is right on the money – the trouble with this is the title. Even if it were just called 15 Great Sports Moments – NOT GREATEST – it might be a bit more reasonable. There are about three of these that fit in, namely Jesse Owens, Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig. That said some of the omissions are SHOCKING. Roger Bannister anyone? (I assume that breaking the 4 minute mile was a moment – see comment 237 for clarification on moments). Lance Armstrong? PELE? (Let’s just suppose that scoring the goal that put Brasil in the world cup at the tender age of 17 is a moment. I’m still not good with this moment thing.) I’m sure that Tiger Woods has had at least one great moment. MINIMUM one. I mean, if Tiger Woods hasn’t ever done one thing in his sporting career that qualifies as a better moment then some of the crap on this list then I take back every criticism I’ve posted.
November 17th, 2008 at 9:34 pm
As an american who thinks the list is too american, i still firmly believe Jesse Owens needs to be higher. Some of the other moments are great (some not)but I dont think even the hockey team overcame the adversity that Owens did. He wasn’t just considered a longshot by some, he was actually called inferior and basically “not worth it” What makes it even more special is he did it in Berlin, the place where this feeling was strongest. Who else could have wiped the smirk off Hitlers face and actually shown up one of the most powerful leaders in the world on his home turf? also…bonus: Jamaican bobsled team anyone
November 17th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
(Listens to Ben and nods)
November 17th, 2008 at 10:00 pm
OK we have established the fact the list is too Pro American. Move on and someone make a better list.Marv in DC you slipped one in that was pretty funny.
November 17th, 2008 at 10:48 pm
ohh… boohoo… its too American, wahh!
quite your whinning and go suck on a Pingas
November 17th, 2008 at 10:55 pm
Ben, you want to know a funny fact.
Alot of the reports state that Hitler was pissed off and didn’t shake Owen’s hand. But that was not the case. Owens even stated that Hitler acknowledged him
“When I passed the Chancellor he arose, waved his hand at me, and I waved back at him. I think the writers showed bad taste in criticizing the man of the hour in Germany. Hitler didn’t snub me—it was FDR who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send me a telegram.”
lol
November 17th, 2008 at 10:58 pm
llninja, Tigerwoods was a good number 16 on the list
November 17th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Bigski
Thanks I was wondering who got that.
November 17th, 2008 at 11:06 pm
Okay, here’s a better list. In no particular order 20 of the greatest moments in sports. NOT the definitive 20, but 20 of them. Let us assume that each is a moment as defined by comment # 237.
-Jesse Owens shows up Hitler by just generally being a kick ass non-aryan athlete. HE SHOWED UP HITLER. The only way this could have been cooler is if he did it while sporting a wicked fu-manchu moustache (see Joe Namath).
-Lance Armstrong wins the 1999 Tour de France after coming back from cancer. Bear in mind that cancer doesn’t just prevent the average person from cycling – it generally kills people. Not only did he beat that, he was shagging Sheryl Crow at the time. Nice.
-Jackie Robinson breaks the racial barrier. Score.
-Lou Gehrig’s speech. Class and dignity in a great human moment. Even I have nothing smart-assed to say.
-The rumble in the jungle. Nobody thought Ali could beat Foreman. He did. ’nuff said.
-Roger Bannister breaks the 4 minute mile. If you can run a mile in four minutes…..well, good for you.
-Argentina beats the ‘Dream Team’ in Olympic basketball in 2002 (and yes, I put that in there to stir the pot.)
-Gretzky scores his 2000th point. Most hockey players can’t count that high, let alone put up numbers like that.
-Mark Messier guarantees a win in game 6 against the Devils and delivers in the 1994 playoffs. Then with his team losing he scores a natural hat-trick in the third period. If you don’t know what a natural hat-trick is, it’s basically the single awesomest thing you can do in hockey. I don’t care awesomest isn’t a word. It should be.
-Babe Ruth’s called shot in the 1932 World Series. And yes, this is similar to the last one. Being so good at a sport that you can guarantee outcomes is pretty fricking cool.
-Joe Namath guarantees a win in the 1969 Superbowl and delivers – while wearing a ridiculous moustache. Being so good at a sport that you can guarantee things WHILE wearing a crazy fu-manchu bit of face fuzz isn’t just cool. It’s legendary.
-Pele scores the winner in the semi final in 1958 to put Brasil in the World Cup final. Truly a star is born.
-Olegunner Solskjaer (sic) scores the European Cup winner for Man United in the miracle of the Nou Camp in the 97th minute or something insane like that. Yikes.
-Matt Busby finally gets handed the European Cup in 1968. You might not see this as a big thing, but when somebody almost DIES trying to get a trophy and then finally gets it, that is goddamn spectacular. Shut up.
-Tiger Woods wins his first masters in April of 1997. One of the last bastions of prejudice (sorry, but golf has always been an old boys game) was shattered. Easy there, Tiger.
-Rafa Benitez’s halftime talk in the European cup final in Istanbul. Somehow Liverpool turned it around from 3-0 against the team regarded as best in the world, and that speech started it all.
-Usain Bolt sets a world record in the 100 meters without trying. And apparently he had fried chicken for dinner the night before or something messed up like that. And he smiled the whole time. I’m not the jealous type, but this is just unreasonable.
-That Phelps kid wins some medals or something. No moustache though. Come to think of it, I’m not sure he had any hair anywhere. Still, that was decent.
-Some basketball moment that I don’t know anything about. Sorry, I just don’t know basketball.
-Ditto Rugby. I have many great character flaws. One is that I don’t have a kick-ass moustache. The other is that I don’t know enough about rugby. I know, I know. Hey, it’s better than Mark McGuire!
As I’ve thrown a few darts here – I cordially invite you to punch a few holes in my list. Please sport a good ’stache when doing so.
November 17th, 2008 at 11:27 pm
Oh, I forgot Manon Rheaume. Oops.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:11 am
llninja (#253) – Well done! some great moments there. I definitely agree with Usain Bolt – his recent efforts are so much better than everyone else it’s almost unbelievable.
I’ll throw in a few more moments to add to your list:
- ‘Miracle on Ice’ I’m Aussie and know jack all about Ice Hockey but even I’d heard of this. Amazing effort
- Nigel Mansell blows a tyre with 19 laps to go in the final race of the 1986 Formula 1 championship. He only needed to finish third to win and the shock and reactions when it happened were simply astounding…..OR….Hamilton passing Glock on the final lap to win the 2008 championship. This probably gets my nod from the F1 moments
- Romanian Nadia Comaneci becomes the first gymnast to achieve a perfect 10 in 1976 (at the age of 14)
- Bjorn Borg beats John McEnroe in five sets in the 1980 Wimbledon final to win his 5th straight title. One of the most epic and famous tennis matches ever. the fourth set involved a tie-break in which borg has 5 match points and McEnroe 7 set points. McEnroe wins the tie-break 18-16 but loses 8-6 in the fifth set
And a (somewhat biased) personal favourite of mine:
- Australia defeats England at the Oval in 1882, resulting in the creation of “The Ashes”. England were chasing a measly 85 runs to win the match but thanks largely to Fred Spofforth fall short by just 7 runs. This lead to the publishing of a mock obituary signifying the death of English cricket and the statement that “the body will be cremated and the ashes taken to Australia”. 126 years later and The Ashes remain one of the most sought after and famous trophies in English-Australian sport
November 18th, 2008 at 12:30 am
From the world of cricket:
Yuvraj Singh (India) hitting 6 sixes in an over (6 balls) against England.
That was the one sporting moment I enjoyed. Love you, Yuvi
November 18th, 2008 at 12:41 am
A footnote in the Jesse Owens story is a German competitor in the long jump. Owens missed his first couple of jumps, then the German gave his some advice about his run-up. Owens nailed his next jump and won the competition. Owens and the German then posed for photos together and walked arm-in-arm to the dressing room.
I think that a Martian looking at earth would notice possibly three sports: soccer, athletics and boxing. That’s just my guess because I’m not a Martian.
For the Beijing Olympics I sat through endless telecasts of taekwondo, judo, weightlifting, table tennis, badminton, archery and baseball, but only if Koreans were competing. (The exception was the Cuba v USA baseball semi-final.) Swimming was shown only if Park Tae-Hwan was competing, and even then I watched the final of the 1500 metres through the swimming pool caretaker’s window because the main screen was showing table tennis at the time. Of course, the commentary and captions were all in Korean. Korean commentators make Darryl Eastlake (Australians will remember him) sound like the talking clock.
November 18th, 2008 at 12:50 am
llninja (253)Much better
The difference between a Moment and an Achievement as I see it is, to use Lance as an example.
Win #7 a) he was expected to win. 2) The actual finish was Lance cruising up the Champs Elysee in the middle of the pack. The race was really won at whatever mountain climb Lance blew them away, so the finish became somewhat anticlimactic.
However 99 (which I assume was the first after the cancer) was a moment because though he probably rode up the CE the same the fact that No One expected him to win and the whole overcoming cancer thing made it a moment. I hope this clarifies what I consider the difference.
Re your 20,
Jesse Owens; not only the throwing it in Hitlers face but pretty much in most of the USA’s as well given the way he was treated back home.
Babe Ruth; truly incredible and done with rather more class than most other prediction makers (Ali comes to mind)
Tiger; it wasn’t just that he won at Augusta the home of golf conservatism it is that he does it in his first major as a pro and absolutely kills both the course and the field. His other great moment to me is this years US Open which he won on one leg. Just a stunning golfer. I’m not a great one for generational matchups, but man wouldn’t it have been a stunner watching the Tiger take on The Bear at his peak?
Phelps; Yeah but as I mentioned elsewhere I wonder if Spitz moment wasn’t better – and he DID have the Mo.
Cheers
Lee
November 18th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Thanks for the previous few comments. A few thoughts.
Yup – Spitz rocked some serious ’stache. Super Mario would have been proud. Form is temporary, but moustache is permanent.
I can’t BELIEVE I forgot about Bjorn Borg. He is just drenched in cool – so much so that you can actually search for a Borg jacket on e-bay to this day and find a pile of them (no seriously, try this. I like item # 330286122976 myself). If I had a flux capacitor, I would go back in time and rewrite my list of 20 with Borg in there. Mind you, if I had a flux capacitor, I wouldn’t be writing lists, I’d be going back in time to see all the sweet things that Borg did. He was like cool before it was cool to be cool, and he did it all in a stripey terry-cloth jacket. Boom!
Oh – I should also mention that cricket is very confusing. One day I plan on getting drunk enough that I actually watch some cricket. But not yet my friends, I’ve still got to see Empires (Strikes Back) another 432 times. Cricket will have it’s day though.
November 18th, 2008 at 5:33 am
1.I can’t believe that on such an AMERICAN list you don’t have 1950 Belo Horizonte. same thing as the miracle on ice.
2. One of my favourites sport moments was Ivanisevic winning the Wimbledon. No one mentioned it. What do you think about it?
November 18th, 2008 at 5:42 am
Whilst I have tried to retain an international focus… sam: LIFT!!! Roger Bannister is an Englishmen. Happy to split the lists into in American and non=American, but if you are going to get upset about “Un-American sentiments”, don’t include any…
Also, if you want to get fair dinkum… Sir Don Bradman (I normally wouldn’t mention him because he is so far ahead of anyone else, comparisons are ridiculous) is so far ahead of anyone the U.S. has thrown up it is silly. Yes, I know he played cricket, but someone who is that much better than everyone else (ever) just has to be mentioned.
November 18th, 2008 at 6:41 am
No. Just no to almost everything in this list. Baseball , American Football arnt even recognised as sports in the rest of the world because nobody plays it.
November 18th, 2008 at 7:01 am
Obviously no other country on this list (with the exception of Argentina) plays sport besides America.
What a compilation of CRAP!
Where are:
Australia making it into the World Cup – knocking off Paraguay to do so!Alex Jesualenko’s mark (his head was 12 feet off the ground) in the 1970 AFL Grand Final
Any number of UEFA Cup or World Cup moments
Lance Armstrong’s 7th Tour de France
Cadell Evans twice placing 2nd in the same race (behind separate winners) in two consecutive Tours de France with a combined losing time of less than 2 minutes overall!
Australia II winning the America’s Cup in 1983
Next time – don’t bore us with a “Top 15″ – name it for what it really is “The Top 15 moments in American Sport”: then the rest of us can safely ignore it.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:20 am
ben, (246),
“Jamaican bobsled team anyone”
Intended to be covered by my 241, combining winter olympic tobogganing (sorry, that should have read better as bobsled) with the West Indies. Quite apart from the film, they are not forgotten!
November 18th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Muttley@263: Australia beat URUGUAY in that series, granting them a spot in 2006 World Cup. BTW, their run in the Cup was impressive.
November 18th, 2008 at 8:49 am
kiwitaxi, (258),
“…wouldn’t it have been a stunner watching the Tiger take on The Bear at his peak?”
It’s difficult not to ponder that one. It comes into the, “Who’s better, Maradona or Pelé?” class, or even “Bach or Beethoven?”. Ultimately utterly pointless…but irresistible!
Interestingly, it’s almost impossible to judge berween performers of different times, not least because equipment and rules change over time in so many sports. So do techniques. My soccer heroes of yore would look like blundering park players alongside today’s magistral slide-rule man-to-man passers. About the only fixed criteria are time, distance or weight competitions. These suggest that later performers do indeed outperform earlier ones. Somehow or other it almost always seems possible to add just that tiny fraction to any record. However, that ignores an important and decisive mental factor. Those fractional gains are based as much on knowledge of, and attempts to beat, the earlier record as to win against present opponents.
November 18th, 2008 at 9:00 am
newmedia001 & Muttley@263: “Australia beat URUGUAY in that series, granting them a spot in 2006 World Cup. BTW, their run in the Cup was impressive.”
My feeling watching on TV here was that they could, perhaps should have gone even further.
About 10 years ago I watched the Aussie U23s take on their Chilean equivalents here in our provincial Div.3 stadium. I was the only one cheering for them. They must have wondered what local was shouting “Come on, you socceroos. Good on yer!”, etc. They were 2 down at half time, but fought back to 2-2. Funny to see big guys with tricky-footed small Chileans weaving around them. They’ve come a long way since.
November 18th, 2008 at 11:50 am
#266 Anon: About the only fixed criteria are time, distance or weight competitions. These suggest that later performers do indeed outperform earlier ones. Somehow or other it almost always seems possible to add just that tiny fraction to any record.
I’m fascinated by the question of what is the limit of maximum human performance. Take the 100m run – fractions of a second keep getting shaved, shaved, shaved off the world record, then along comes a guy like Bolt to obliterate the record seemingly without even trying. In theory, the time can be shaved almost infinitely, ultimately down to zero, but of course logically that couldn’t happen. But at what point will simple physics of human anatomy draw the line? Human anatomy improves over time too of course (diet, training methods, etc.), but even that has to have its eventual limit. Well, maybe not, and therein lies the answer…
November 18th, 2008 at 12:43 pm
Maggot, (268),
I’ve though on that too, and come up with a slightly different answer. Since the theoretical time cannot be shaved to zero (in that case), it seems to me another factor comes into account (sorry I’m no mathematician, so my explanation is a crude simile). Half-life, as in radio-activity, or a rough equivalent. There is no reason for records not to go on being smashed ad infinitum, but with the margin becoming more and more hair-fine all the time as the theoretical limit of possibilility is approached. Of course nothing like a smooth graph is likely, and the measuring of ever more minute fractions requires ever more complex and accurate technology: but that’s happening anyway, yes?
November 18th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
sorry for typo, “thought on that”
November 18th, 2008 at 6:01 pm
Someone said that the women’s gymnastic team would have won without Kerri Strug doing well but I remember clearly she need a 9.4 for us to get the gold and falling on her behind would not have gotten that score. She HAD to stay on her feet or the team would not have won the gold.
November 19th, 2008 at 7:09 am
Kerri Strug is here and Shun Fujimoto isn’t?
In the 1976 Olympics (same year as Nadia’s perfect 10…), Japan and long-dominant USSR were in an epic battle for the men’s title, and Japan needed every point they could get.
Shun Fujimoto broke his kneecap in his floor routine, but he didn’t tell anybody about his injury because he knew Japan needed him. He did his pommel routine with a broken kneecap, scoring 9.5. Then, obviously in pain, he then went to rings, his best apparatus, knowing that the team medal was counting on him. He did a near flawless routine, and needed a perfect stuck dismount to win… The rings are 8 feet high.
and he stuck it, got his best ever score, the crowd exploded with cheers, and Japan went on to win the gold. He also got individual gold for rings.
Much more impressive than any records broken or goals scored.
November 19th, 2008 at 7:14 am
And in the complete opposite direction, Steven Bradbury!
Comfortably behind in the finals of his race, everyone at the front tripped over each other and he slid through to victory.
No other winter olympian is a household name in Australia.
November 19th, 2008 at 7:33 am
Newmedia001 – you are absolutely correct – it WAS Uruguay.
BUGGER!
Funny thing, I re-read my post before I submitted it and thought to myself “something justdoesn’t LOOK right; but I couldn’t bloody figure out what was setting off the bells!
Well – DOI !!!!!
To Anon – yes we could’ve gone further and dare I say – had we got past Italy (thankyou to the dickhead referee who couldn’t tell an exhausted player from a tripped one – - – NOT!) I think we could have gone close to defeating France in the Final the way Italy did – because that final was a war of attrition between two spent teams: it just needed ONE team to falter to lose – and France did just that; they lost the final more than Italy won it: still congrats to italy – they DID get there and they DID go home with the silverware. In the end THAT is what counts.
As for Italy earning that dying-seconds-spot-kick; please; I am getting sick and tired of hearing that “He Dived!” bullshit. He DIDN’T dive. He fell over Lucas’s leg because he was simply too exhausted to jump the extra inches needed to clear it.
Why do I say this?
Watch a replay of the last 20 minutes. The only Italian who could get close to full pace by the time the “trip/fall” occurred was Totti – and he took the penalty because his were the freshest legs (he’d only been on the park for 10 minutes). The truth was that Guus Hiddinck, the Socceroo Manager had run the lads ragged in the months leading up to the World Cup and by the time the round-robin series began the Australians were the fittest team in Germany by miles – Guus wanted them fit enough to run for the full 90 minutes + stoppage time + the 15 minutes each way for extra time to try to get a result without going to penalties: thus he wanted a team that could run flat out and attack for – not 90 minutes, but at least 130 minutes: and he got it!
Secondly, the game plan the Azzurri generally play to is ‘dazzle the bejeebers out of your opposition with VERY slick play (which they did), belt in two one or two early goals and then sit back for the next 60 minutes or so and defend the lead to the death with the entire team pulling back into defence if necessary’.
Their problem was that the Australian defence was far too tight for themo score and our counter attacks were fast and accurate – if it weren’t for the brilliance of the Italian ‘keeper, Buffon, they’d probably lost the game penalty or no penalty. Thus they were forced to run as hard as the Australians for the full 90 minutes – and while the Australians were tired, the Italians were exhausted (add to that the fact that from about 5 – 10 minutes after half-time the Azzurri were playing with only 10 men). So by the time Grossa rounded Bresciano (who didn’t tackle him because he thought Grossa was already in the penalty area) he was “runing on fumes” and he had almost nothing left in his legs; so when Luke Neill slid in and took the ball, Grossa was just too tired to lift his feet when he attempted to jump Neill; however, the referee completely missed the call and awarded a penalty that pundits world-wide (including the Italian ones) agreed should NEVER have been given. At the very worst it SHOULD have been an indirect free kick – - but that, as they say, is history.
The penalty was awarded, shwartzer missed the Totti strike and the Azzurri went on to beat Germany in a very lacklustre game and France on penalties: truth is.
We are just proud of them getting there because for Australia to qualify – we faced the most difficult and unfair system in all of FIFA – unlike other nations who only had to win their pools and elimination games to qualify for the World Cup, the Socceroos were required to do that and THEN beat the unplaced team from South America – and before that it was the unplaced team from Asia or a European Pool – so in tha past Australia has topped the Oceania Pool every year, won its elimination matches and then been denied a place at the World Cup by Scotland, Israel and Uruguay – among others. No other nations have had to go through that. Now that FIFA have placced us into the stronger Asian Pool, our qualifying run becomes the same as everybody else’s: the only downside is that now the Kiwi’s (generally the second-strongest Oceania nation) are going to have to do what weused to have to do – win the Group, the Pool and then a non-qualifying Sth American or other Pool Nation who get a ‘consolation prize’ entry.
It isn’t a fair system. Bottom line – if a team finishes OUTSIDE their regional qualifying group – that is, their region sends four nations and they finish fifth, then they should be OUT – end of story not ‘thrown a lifeline’ because they are Sth American or European or Asian and simply have “more pulling power’ – as it was, in Germany ‘06 the Socceroos were acknoowledged as virtually EVERYone’s “second team” – if their country wasn’t playing and Australia was – they were supporting us; On that basis (counting “second preferences” thhe Socceroos probably had the biggest fan-base in the World Cup that year! (with Brazil a close second)
November 19th, 2008 at 7:40 am
PS – sorry about all the typo’s. i am using an ‘ergonomic’ wireless keyboard and sometimes letters fail to register, register too many times or fail to capitalize when they should or the space bar doesn’t register.
Either I need a new keyboard or I get one with a cord!
November 19th, 2008 at 8:37 am
Power house dispaly against All Blacks by Munster last night
November 19th, 2008 at 12:21 pm
Muttley,
I’m willing to bury the hatchet (in the ground, not in you!) over at the WW1 site if you are. This is the sort of exchange I’m looking for and enjoy on LV.
I’ve actually wasted time and thought writing to the Chilean FA (in Spanish!), the Brit FA and FIFA telling them how bum ref. decisions at critical moments can ruin the game for we watchers, and blow away the career opportunity of a lifetime for pro players. (Can you imagine it in any other profession?) I pointed out how tennis, with only two or four protagonists, and a small playing area, needed more officials than soccer to try for fairness, and even that wasn’t enough: they had to go electronic. Soccer, the biggest money-spinning sport in the world, is still happy to play a kind of blind man’s buff. (I.e. if I, the ref., don’t see it, it’s not a penalty, even if everybody else in the stadium saw it). Wow! They say the errors even out over time. Bollox. Not if you’re relegated and don’t get back again for years, or are denied a championship or World Cup on one critical decision. Others say the game’s about drama, not justice. Play it without officials then, if their decisions are that unimportant! Kids on the street manage to do that.
Yes, Australia “belonged” in the next round, just as, for similar failure of ref., England should have had an almost unmissable chance to advance in the Eurocup that Greece won. (Not that I wasn’t delighted Greece did win!). Sorry though, I couldn’t raise a whisper for Italy. One of the most negative teams ever to win, as their subsequent international record showed up. Italy produces such fine players. Why have their team tactics so often seemed designed as an alternative to a lullaby to send babies to sleep? But boring instead of comforting! It reminds me of the Italian cyclists in that great film ‘Breakaway’. I grant you though, to be beaten by the eventual winners is always something of a back-handed compliment.
Actually, yes, Australia does, or did, have a tough qualifying process. But if you look at the world rating of every team in Europe, and then the number that are actually allowed into the final, I don’t think there’s any argument about unfair qualifiers. You can back that up by the number of fine European sides that are eliminated every time. Or you can do as I did: list the qualifying groups of the remainder stage by stage. Try it next time. Soon you are virtually left with Europeans, Brazil, Argentina, and perhaps one other! Or as yet another criterion, you could take the world ratings as they stand at the end of the qualifiers, and then let through by ranking number. Not that that would be 100% fair, I admit. Care to imagine tennis or golf, particularly in the past, where the world has the right to send players to major tournaments, and in order to control the number of contestants, a good chunk of top ranking Aussies and Americans have to qualify by elimination?
I don’t think even the Olympic qualifiers deprive more than the odd most unlucky best athletes, etc. the world stage in that way.
November 19th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Why don’t you guys stop bitching and moaning and grow a pair, the list is good as is
November 19th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Jenpen,
But the problem for others is: not as good as could be (according to the stated TITLE).
And believe it or not, this thing you’re reading is called a comment. The reason for its existence is to express a respectful personal opinion or argument, not to give knee-jerk approval to the compiler, to you, or to anybody else. If you thought about that carefully, being a mere yes-man might actually indicate a true lack of balls. (Sorry girls, sexism not intended. Make up your own equivalent.)
November 19th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
what about
Named FWA Footballer of the Year for 1956, Trautmann entered football folklore with his performance in the 1956 FA (Football Association) Cup Final. With 15 minutes of the match remaining Trautmann suffered a serious injury after diving at the feet of Birmingham City’s Peter Murphy. Despite his injury he continued to play, making crucial saves to preserve his team’s 3–1 lead. His neck was noticeably crooked as he collected his winners’ medal; three days later an X-ray revealed it to be broken.
enough said really.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:12 pm
”110. Andrew – November 15th, 2008 at 2:17 pm
Usain Bolt should be on the list rather than Phelps.
but yeah, this is pretty much greatest american sports moments, plus there are some errors regarding capital letters in the list.”
simple answer – usain bolt isnt american
November 19th, 2008 at 5:30 pm
Gaz you fail at life. Wishing death on anyone over the internet makes you nothing but a pathetic pussy. You’re a fat nerd without a girlfriend who needs charm school and basic life school very badly. Get over yourself, learn history, go on a diet, and grow your IQ. Hating an entire country when you’ve never even been the makes you a simple loser. You think you know things and you just don’t. Tell me which school system you are a product of so we can all know which country’s school to avoid with our own children. You and cam both need to learn that stereotypes only make you look like an idiot.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Muttley
Yes Aussie deserved to go …..No I just can’t say it
However on the subject of how tough it is to go through from Oceania, it is much easier now than when we did go though in 1982. Having beaten you guys twice as well as the island nations we then had home and away series against Saudi Arabia and China. In total we played 16 games just to get to Spain. The longest qualification in WC history. Our prize, The Group of Death, Brazil, Russia and Scotland plus us.
This time round we only have to beat the 5th placed Asian team, which be the winner between the two third place teams in the qualification series you are currently involved in (Probably Qatar from your group).
Cheers
Lee
November 19th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
Is it possible for a moderator to remove Gaz’s comment (282)? It is completely irrelevant to this list, offensive, and not welcome on this site.
November 19th, 2008 at 5:44 pm
Anon,
If you are a fan of the Round Ball code try and get to at least one of the games in the Womens U20 WC being played in Chile ATM. In fact New Zealand’s next game is against Chile
.
Having just had the U17s here in NZ the quality of Football at this level is surprisingly good and much more adventurous than the senior mens WC.
Cheers
Lee
November 19th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
Peter (276)
Listened to the game on the radio getting more and more worried that history was going to repeat itself. Thank goodness for Joe. The atmosphere at the ground sounded fantastic. I suspect this may end up as the closest result on the ‘tour’.
Actually the 1978 game (where Munster beat The All Blacks) would just about qualify for this list.
Cheers
Lee
November 19th, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Precision,
I have just hit the report abuse button on that one so Cyn or Jamie will take a look at it and no doubt remove it.
It would be nice (if not a miracle) if Cam and Montana got a life as well.
Cheers
Lee
November 19th, 2008 at 6:06 pm
Actually, consuming shit probably wouldn’t even give one a tummy ache, much less make one die.
This is just one of those nonsense sayings children toss about. They’re meaningless.
~sigh~ I suppose one shouldn’t expect much from children when the parents are otherwise occupied.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:23 pm
the trouble makers have been removed and the comments deleted.
November 19th, 2008 at 6:46 pm
what?
November 19th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
k1w1taxi, (286),
Thanks anyway for the kind but unnecessary reminder! I’m just back at the compu after watching our girls beat our girls 2-0. Oh sorry, that sounds rather confusing. I mean England beat Chile. The chilenas (or rojitas) had even eliminated the inglesas in an earlier small warm-up competition here a month or so back. They were game, had a few very good chances, and have one of the finest goalies of the category in the world, but were no match for the more powerful English lassies. You’re in the same group as us with Nigeria. My guess is the three of you will be playing it out for the second qualifying place after England. I’ve watched the friendlies here, inaugurating the four new stadia, and the French and Brazilian girls both beat Chile and looked exceptionally impressive. Apparently the Americans are to be feared as having the only professional league, apart from the considerable importance of the women’s game in the States. So we might expect to see them marked up on this topic list shortly (adds qualifying hahahaha)!
Just checked the other three today’s results. USA (2002 champs?) beat France 3-0 – Wow!. Oh dear, Nigeria bested you, sorry. You’ve a real up-hiller now. Our public channel with the broadcast franchise isn’t putting much out. Just the one match today, and Brazil’s tomorrow at after 1 at night. I suppose, I hope, they’ll offer a bit more as the rounds hot up, and probably at the weekends too.
November 19th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
A late corrective check
“USA (2002 champs?) beat France 3-0″ Actually 2-0.
November 20th, 2008 at 12:03 am
A random memory: women’s water polo made its debut at the 2000 Olympics, mainly due to lobbying by the US and Australian federations. Not surprisingly, those teams made the final. I watched it on tv. It was a thriller: never more than one goal apart and 3-3 (?or 4-4) when a free throw was given to Australia with 1.3 seconds on the clock. Imagine you have been playing for 10 or so years, and have been working towards this in particular for at least a year. You have 1.3 seconds to do something. You can’t rely on anyone else. It’s you. And she did (with a perhaps fortunate deflection off someone). And I’d forgotten her name until I just looked it up – Yvette Higgins.
November 20th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Anon,
(Hijacking thread again)In a radio interview after the Nigerian Game (which was 2-2 until very near the end) our coach was quite pleased in that he reckoned Nigeria were the toughest in our group and he was hoping to take the full 6 points from the other two teams. I confess I thought that was a bit of a stretch against the English, but here’s hoping. Incidentally about 9 of our squad were in the kiwi U17 team at this WC.
As for the US being the team to beat I am sure they will be extra fired up having been 2-0up in the U17 final only to lose 3-2 to Korea
Cheers
Lee
November 20th, 2008 at 5:20 am
Couple of things:
Firstly: Anon – absolutely mate. No hard feelings. I write stuff like that to get a rise occasionally – maybe I need to take ‘LoserGaz’s advice and get more of a life! Seriously I was feeling pretty pissed at the entire world the other night – I’ve had a pretty shite week. Sorry dude! Frankly I couldn’t tell you the difference between an anemone and an anenome; Australian Native Plants – now THAT’s something else!
Secondly: LoserGaz. Who are you to write BS like that? None of us NEED to visit the States to know what they’re like; we get them stuffed down our throats on a regular basis whether we want it or not. Let’s analyse what you wrote:
1. “Gaz you fail at life” – and your rationale is?
2. “Wishing death on anyone over the internet makes
you nothing but a pathetic pussy” – NOWHERE did I see
that expressed by Gaz; are you taking your medication?
3. “You’re a fat nerd without a girlfriend who needs charm
school and basic life school very badly” – You know ‘Gaz’
personally do you? Seems more to me that you are
transposing YOUR insecurities and failings onto another.
4. “Learn history, go on a diet, and grow your IQ” – It has
been my sad experience that when someone tells another
to “Learn History” – it’s because they aren’t sure of
THEIR facts and are trying to bluff and bully the person
they are abusing. As for “Go on a diet” – again – do you
KNOW this person? If you’re really unlucky, Gaz is a
supremely fit, well-proportioned, 6-foot 4-inch 5th Dan
Black Belt who knows where you live – - – we can only
hope! And as for “Grow your IQ” – this last statement
proves how sadly deficient yours must be to a) write this
tripe in the first place and suggest ‘growing something
which is fixed at birth and cannot be changed – it can be
trained, it can be exercised, but it CANNOT be grown!
Oh – and BTW. before you try to turn your vituperative keyboard and tiny mind on me – my IQ is 156.
Thirdly and finally: to Kiwi you got my point but missed what I was saying – you, as the now highest ranking and most talented Football Nation in Oceania now the Socceroos are in ‘Asia’ SHOULDN’T have to justify your inclusion in the World Cup by defeating a nation which has already LOST its right to compete by failing to qualify in its own Group when you have justifiably WON yours!
Back to you Anon – I have indeed noticed all of those things you mentioned – the preponderance of European and Sth American nations represented. Reality is; unless you are a European Nation – or were spawned by one and speak the mother tongue – FIFA don’t want you. The Africans get a fair run at the competition and from what I can see, the USA gets what amounts to a fairly free ride – do they actually play anybody of real note in the lead-ups?
As far as football goes – and notice that, as an Australian I call it Football and NOT “Soccer” – I know of what I speak. I have been involved in football for 40 years and played for my State – only missing out on joining the fledgling National League 35+years ago thanks to an unscrupulous Club President who killed my career.
November 20th, 2008 at 7:22 am
What about when the Average Joes beat Globo Gym? How about when Rocky got beat by Apollo Creed? Benny the Jet stealing home? What about when the Harlem Globetrotters were on Scooby Doo? The ‘Tunes beating the Monstars?
Jeez, I can’t believe you’d leave that stuff out on a list of American except for Maradona cheating list of great sports moments.
November 20th, 2008 at 3:06 pm
If this at times rather bitter and chauvinisitic thread tells us anything positive, it’s about some of our vivid personal recollections. It doesn’t matter whether they’re of American sport and heroes, or the rest of the world’s, or by Americans or non-Americans. And what it clearly proves is the existence of countless magnificent, cliff-hanging, breathtaking, heart-tugging moments in all manner of sports everywhere and throughout a considerable period of time. Many of them are ephemeral and have been overwhelmed by later, similar events or the passing of time. Others have simply suffered from a lack of onlookers or widespread interest. Earlier ones in particular depend on the memories of the dwindling band of those who were present, or who listened or watched on the existing media. If we small band of LVers can compile the selection we have here, imagine what the rest of the wide world can offer! Without doubt, except perhaps for their scale and popularity, most posted examples rival those listed for the topic itself, certainly in emotional and thrill content. Long live sport!
November 20th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Muttley,
Apology accepted. Sometimes, after a bad day at the ossif, the dog get’s its guts kicked, the kids can’t sit down for a week, or the wife has only mascara-ed one eye. It’s a known syndrome.
At school we used to play soccer for one term and rugger (or *wuggah*) for another. Broadly speaking, I think I’ve used – and do use – the word football far more in my English speaking circles (where rugby would either be Union or League, if the definition was needed), but certainly soccer sometimes. My erstwhile flatmate, first wife-introducer and best man was a Melbourne doctor, getting paid as a locum to fund the obligatory London Grand Tour. At the word *football*, he’d look at me hard, his eyes would crinkle and twinkle and he’d say with mock-severe schoolmasterish patience and in Paul Hoganish tones something like, “Ah, you mean Rules, mate? You couldn’ possibly mean anything else. There ain’t nothing else.” I always put *soccer* in a context like LV where the word football means such different things to so many. I gather it’s believed to be derived from the shortened *Assoc.* But you are the famous Socceroos! Even Chile calls you that (it’s a hoot listening to their commentators trying to pronounce and figure the word out). Could wuggah be an aboriginal derived word from the outback (as modified in Wagga Wagga)?
Here it’s mainly *fútbol*, with the *t* not pronounced, if not, and far less often, the direct translation, *balompié*.
Chile (despite yesterday’s 0-3 loss in Spain: no shame), and England in particular, look well above average and *on the ball* this time around in the qualifiers. No disrespect to the rest of you, but I hope we both meet in the final and the best wins! (Pigs might fly.)
Maradona made his managerial debut yesterday against Scotland. The Argies won 1-0, but on the showing of the first half as televised, would’t frighten shit out of a mouse yet. He’d better get a-training those godly hands of theirs.
The USA is in the same group as Mexico and Costa Rica, no slouches either. But you have to look at a group like that, where a Caribbean team can sometimes get through, and realise it’s pretty difficult for the US and Mexico NOT to get into a World Cup proper. I’ve no quarrel with that, they’re as good as most of the best Europeans, and can sometimes beat teams like Argentina and Brazil, or at least usually give them a run for their money. But it’s still a farce when equally fine European and South American teams and others of similar merit from elsewhere are GOING to be eliminated in favour of teams which you can put your life savings on coming bottom of their groups. That’s my point. What does paying Joe public really want, full geographical spread at any price? Or the best against the best, wherever they come from? O.K., neither. Just wants his or her own team to be there and win!
Sorry about your career backstab. There’s a lot of it about.
November 20th, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Muttley (295) – Unfortunately the comments made by “LoserGaz” are now without context. After posting his comment (281) “Gaz” then proceeded to embark on a campaign of completely abusive and idiotic posting, impersonating several members of the LV community and generally being a complete twat in this and other threads.
LoserGaz’s comments at the time were definitely not uncalled for. Now that all the abusive posts have been removed it does appear to paint a different picture, which is unfortunate.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:27 pm
Precision, (299),
This may or may not be relevant.
There are cases in other LV topics where a person has posted absolutely sane, informative and reasonable comments under a pseudonym. After that, the same pseudonym has exploded into a series of vile and disgusting obscenities, completely out of character with the earlier remarks, as though someone was having a fit. It turned out the original pseudonym had been hi-jacked. Several of us regulars have had our names hijacked at one time or other. There are some nasty, sicko *stalker* creeps about, and unfortunately no way to protect our LV names from them pre-emptively. Several of us have broached this possibility.
If this has indeed happened here, will the real *Gaz* stand up, or might it be otherwise confirmed?
November 20th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
If in fact there indeed was a real *Gaz* who hasn’t left the site in disgust at what happened.
November 20th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
I don’t see identity (/username) theft as a major issue on this site. The artist formerly known as Gaz (or the person pretending to be Gaz) posted comments under the usernames of myself, segue, k1w1taxi, and jfrater (and possibly others that I missed).
The reason I do not consider the fraud to be a major issue is that the fake posts are so completely different to the style, grammar, spelling, and opinions of the true “owner” of the username that one would need to have a level of intelligence roughly equivalent to the person attempting the irritation to be gullible enough to believe it.
Plus, there are some awesome mods out there that quickly and efficiently deal with the unwanted pests
Of course that still leaves us with the question posed by Anon- was “Gaz” the victim or the perpetrator?
November 20th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
Precision,
Historically, the first to adopt the username has been the genuine, *civilized* article. To date, apparently, the same individual has not posted reasonable and sensible as well as violently obscene posts, and in two utterly different styles, as you point out. Up to now the rightful aka has also usually posted a disclaimer and complaint sooner or later, assuming they’ve ever been aware of the event (which might be difficult if the obscene or whatever post is erased swiftly). That’s my understanding. I remember one wild, flailing set of repulsive posts like these latest. Instead of adopting a clutch of existing respectable akas, this one assumed one person’s LV identity and spat vile shit out across a range of topics, but again almost simultaneously. Same animal?
Further question. If there is indeed a *Gaz* doppelgang, is it possible the real *Gaz* didn’t even see what he’s being accused of before it was wiped, and wondered, or is wondering, WTF was/is going on? Just a thought.
November 20th, 2008 at 11:22 pm
G’day Anon
I get into a lot of trouble over here talking about ‘football’ because I call soccer football and the Australian Rules version ‘Aerial Ping-Pong’ – as for ANY form of Rugby – I am still trying to work out WHY they even call that crap football at all. They use their feet only marginally less than is done so in the equally-pointless American Football (Gridiron) format – OK, Football/soccer DOES utilise head and chest to control or direct the ball, but given that over 90% of ball movement is by foot and nothing else; I feel it has the RIGHT to be called football and have other “football” codes renamed.
Reality is when the word ‘football’ is mentioned in about 90% of the world – the speaker is referring to “soccer”
Ahhhh Maradona – the only non-American entry into this so-called 15 Greatest list – - is it just me or does anyone else find it ironic that THE only non-US entry is that of a man known almost more for his cheating at the World Cup and his years of drug abuse. With luck he will cause the Argentinian team to self destruct on Cocaine and disqualify them from the 2010 WC.
Lastly, regards the easy US entry – Anon – it’s ALL about $$$$$ – the US pays well! (yeah, I’m a cynic). BUT – the Socceroos have one record the US team cannot claim: we have defeated every Sth American team we have played, at least once!
November 20th, 2008 at 11:46 pm
Football-Soccer Tomato-ToMato who cares. Glad you own a record we don`t. Just kiddin. NOT!
November 21st, 2008 at 12:50 am
I met Kerri Strug when I was little. She was signing autographs at my dads work. I felt so cool bringing that pic home and showing my friends…yeah.. just in case you were intrested.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:40 am
Soon Usain Bolt would be here.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:21 am
I have had my name used by trolz a number of times. More times, in fact, than show up on the site (thanks to the work of the site admins, jfrater and Cyn).
One of the ways we can help keep the site as problem-free as possible is to use the [Report Abuse] option. I used to be hesitant to use it, thinking the offender would get bored and go away. Silly me. They don’t get bored, they get more and more bold in fact. Now, I use the option and get prompt action.
Please, everyone, when you see someone’s identity being abused, report it. The Gazes of the world are lurking, just waiting for us to lull ourselves into serenity. We can’t let that happen. We have to be on guard. This isn’t being paranoid, it’s being wary.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:09 am
304. Muttley:…as for ANY form of Rugby – I am still trying to work out WHY they even call that crap football at all.
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What? Rugby doesn’t provide enough action? Your objection is that they don’t use their *FEET*? You don’t like the shape of the ball?
Soccer is not the only form of football in the world, bucko, and your opinion is worth less than the bandwidth it takes up.
No one would care if you said you preferred Soccer to any other form of football, but *NO*! You have to rip every other form of football to shreds while doing so.
Grow up or shut up.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:47 am
BooYa- ole dude got owned.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Uhhh ! as jaw drops to the floor.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:34 pm
segue-I noticed the last comments attributed to you were erased.Was that what you were talking about ? Someone stole your nickname.Thats why jaw hit floor.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:57 pm
BoooYA
The whole “gaz” thing, has been blown out of proportion. Get over it dudes!
Peace
x
November 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
bigski,
That is exactly what I talking about!
November 21st, 2008 at 5:52 pm
From wikipedia, the source of all enlightenment:
“While it is widely believed that the word “football” (or “foot ball”) originated in reference to the action of the foot kicking a ball, there is a rival explanation, which has it that football originally referred to a variety of games in medieval Europe, which were played on foot. These games were usually played by peasants, as opposed to the horse-riding sports often played by aristocrats. While there is no conclusive evidence for this explanation, the word football has always implied a variety of games played on foot, not just those that involved kicking a ball. In some cases, the word football has even been applied to games which have specifically outlawed kicking the ball.”
I grew up in Victoria and South Australia, so “football” to me is Aussie rules, but played soccer, which even in a relatively soccer-strong area of Vic was “soccer”. Years of living in Qld and NSW hasn’t changed that. I also don’t understand why the rugbies are called “football”, and my specific objection is the lack of using the feet.
Generally, though, I yawn once over rugby union and yawn twice over rugby league.
Just after I moved to Korea the 2006 AFL final was held. I found a website with audio commentary and a diagram map of the field. I reported to my boss (who was in on Sat) on a regular basis, then had to say “ONE POINT!” at the end. Despite living in Syd for 10 years I was not a Swannies fan. I found out in 2005 that I was, in my deepest heart, a Crows fan, if it matters. I knew a number of Swans members (club members, not team members) and my physio knew all the team, and flew to Melb for the 2005 final.
Recently, I taught a lesson about “people, places and things” (aka “nouns”). I showed photos of 10 people, 10 places and 10 things and the students had to identify them and write a sentence about them. One of the photos was of Aussie rules players. Some students wrote “sportsmen”, some said “footballers”, some said “handball players” (the photo was of a ruck), one said “rugby”, but his English was not good enough to tell my how he knew about rugby. One student wrote “leaseplan” and I couldn’t figure out why until I saw the advertisement on the grandstand in the background.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:09 pm
astraya: There are three “ball” games which interest me. Rugby, basketball, and baseball. I like Aussie Rules, but get few chances to observe it, so I don’t bother counting it.
Of the lot, basketball is my favorite. I’ve been a diehard basketball fan since Kareen Abdul Jabar was Lew Alcindor and still at UCLA. OK?
Now notice, did I feel the need to abuse any other games?
No!
Why not?
Because I am an adult, something a poster somewhere above you and I obviously isn’t. I’m bored with childish games and rants. I really am. I have much better things to do with my time.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:47 pm
Life offered me the perfect balance. I prefer watching soccer. I was better at playing Union. I’ll happily watch League. Rules and Gridiron take place in other countries.
No problem.
In my experience, virtually any sport can be boring when it doesn’t click, and exciting when it does. Even a neck-and- neck in snail racing. Snail racing? Never heard of it? You haven’t lived.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I’ve observed snail racing. A mite slow and slimy but otherwise interesting. I actually wouldn’t mind snails if they didn’t do damage to the garden. Of course, deer do greater damage, and I have nothing at all against deer.
Then again, deer are cuter than snails.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:16 am
I did predict that Phelps be here, but how bout Manny Pacquiao and Bolt (the Mexican dude who runs super fast)?
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:43 am
A thought:
“The National Science Foundation announced the following study results on corporate America recreation preferences:
1. Sport of choice for maintenance level employees: bowling.
2. Sport of choice for front line workers: football.
3. Sport of choice for supervisors: baseball.
4. Sport of choice for middle management: tennis.
5. Sport of choice for corporate officers: golf.
CONCLUSION: The higher you are in the corporate structure, the smaller your balls get.”
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:59 am
Rugby league is a stupid sport. It’s got to be if New Zealand can beat Australia at it.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:32 am
astraya,
Er, I take it by the All Blacks have always lost to the Wallabies then?
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:14 am
astraya,
My dear old late Dad was born to sport, thereby leaving me with a games’ (playing) inferiority-complex, and obliging me to seek my fame and fortune in other fields.
First off he captained his school at soccer (no rugby in the curric.). The following term he began his tenancy as cricket captain. After he left school you could hardly drag him off a tennis court for a good few years. Ultimately, golf took over as most successful of all. He came second in a major British national championship, only losing out to guy who won the toss and got to play on his wicked home links.
So it would seem that according to NSF criteria, one’s balls also shrink as one gets older.
However, Dad refused the invitation to take up bowls (the -*green* variety) in favour of golf well into his retirement. Thus I suppose he could be said to have lost the opportunity to go out in a blaze of virile glory, as did many of his contemporaries!
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Anon (322) All Blacks and Wallabies are Union and that is why it is number 4 winter sport in Oz – coz they can’t beat us
Astraya(321)NAH NAH NE NAH NAH
This list obviously now needs to be rewritten with last nights League World Cup as No. 1 (and the 24-0 hiding we gave you in the 2005 Tri Series final No. 2)
Cheers
Lee
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Yep, of course,
I was assuming the comparison underway was League (stupid) and Union (not stupid)! Just shit stirring, of course. My favourite sport. Ha ha.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:10 pm
Segue – Your infantile point has been noted – and ignored as irrelevant; please don’t allow your mind to wander like that – - – it’s too small and fragile to out on its own. In future try actually reading what a person writes “in context”.
Bigski – Owned? I really don’t think so, all segue did was take ONE point and base an entire argument around it: EPIC FAIL Segue should try utilising the entire argument and you might try getting out of the “so little mind – so much mouth” syndrome.
I based my comments on the amount of ball control employed by the feet: from least to most these would be:
5. American Football
4. Rugby
3. Australian Rules Football
2. Gaelic Football
1. Football / Soccer
Note: Shroveball possibly should be 9ncluded in this “list” and could probably rank higher than Rugby but where the game is played often determines the amount of play generated by foot.
I will admit ‘crap’ is probably TOO strong a word, but at alt the smme – it is only football in the original philological sense, in that the game is played on foot: That being said, it would then follow that billiards, baseball, table tennis and basketball could be listed as football ‘codes’ for the same reason! This is why the modern definition is determined by the fact that a ball is “propelled by the foot into an opposing team’s goal or territory” – Dictionary definition!
It needs noting that all modern codes of ‘football’ stem from the ancient game of Shroveball. Football itself (soccer) is its direct offsrping while Rugby is an offshoot of soccer. American Football (and I am happy for correction on this) seems to be an offshoot/adaptation of Rugby while Australian Rules is an amalgam of a native Australian Aboriginal Game and Gaelic Football/Rugby – it was only formulated as a way for cricketers to remain fit in their ‘off-season’
Shroveball, for those ‘in the dark’ is an Ancient ball-game where one half of a town/village would pit itself abinst the other: The divide may have been a natural one such as river or a man-made one such as a square or monument or some other aspect. The ‘goals’ would be a feature prominent to each particular half of that town – for example, the town of Workington in Cumbria England uses the River Derwent as its dividing line with those south of the river being the ‘Uppies’ and those north of the river being the ‘Downies’. The Downies were required to get the ball to the park wall at the top of the hill south of the river, while the Uppies were required to hit the huge capstan at the end of the main wharf.
Games generally start at about 2pm and continue ’til sunset. Primary ball-movement is by foot but ANY and ALL means may be employed. As a line from Troy Donockley’s “Hail the Ball” ( a song about Shroveball as played in Workington) says – “… They think the ball is in the scrum, in the blood and muck and dirt / But there are no rules in this game – it’s stuck up Millican’s shirt”
Workington – by no means the oldest site where the game is played, but easily representative – has a 500+ year written account of the game (earliest records mentioned it around AD 1480) while the Oral tradition for the game precedes Norman raiding & conquest in the 10th Century.
It is thus I base my assertion – plus the statement that in 90% of the world, the word ‘football’ refers to what ONLY Australia, New Zealand and the USA routinely call ‘Soccer’ – that “soccer” has the pre-eminent RIGHT to the title. Others should be known by their loacal or colloquial names.
And so, in conclusion ‘Segue’: I rest my case – feel free to contradict in your inimitably Neanderthalic manner, but I won’t be responding for the following reasons:
1. You appear to be an idiot and I never argue with an idiot (especially in public) as they only drag one down to their level and beat one with experience.
2. I don’t engage in battles of wits with unarmed opponents
and
3. I hate it when someone makes an idiot of themselves in public before I can get the opportunity to do it FOR them.
BTW – Astraya – I may not a New Zealander (in fact I’m an Aussie) but DON’T downplay a nation you appear to know nothing about. FYI – the Kiwi’s are probably (if not absolutely due to their VERY small population) THE best Rugby-playing natiuon on the planet – both League AND Union – not to mention they are also not slouches in the Cricket, Netball, Basketball, Athletics ans Swimming arenas either – not too shabby for a nation of around 5 million!
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:26 pm
Muttley,
It needs to be said that your in-part admirable, excellent and informed historic post in no way whatever either obliterates or excuses the following:
“… as for ANY form of Rugby – I am still trying to work out WHY they even call that crap football at all.”
segue happens to be a mother whose daughter excels at rugby. You’re surprised or offended she should reply (in defence)?:
“Soccer is not the only form of football in the world, bucko, and your opinion is worth less than the bandwidth it takes up.
No one would care if you said you preferred Soccer to any other form of football, but *NO*! You have to rip every other form of football to shreds while doing so.
Grow up or shut up.”
All segue did was to reply to that one specific, provocative, disrepectful, outrageous and uncalled-for comment of yours, as I suspect I or anyone else in her shoes would have done.
Indeed, your own later comment hardly lines up with your first:
“THE best Rugby-playing natiuon on the planet – both League AND Union – ”
segue is a respected and long-standing member of the LV community. That’s all I’m going to say. The rest is up to you. You’ll be judged by your reaction.
And for your further info, astraya, another respected LVer, was piss-pulling, as all regular antipodeans here know.
You have a lot to offer. Pull your horns right in quickly and make peace, or no one will want to know.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:39 pm
And Muttley,
All your points about the etymology of the word *football* are fair enough, but will not alter the fact that rugby is going to continue to be called football on a geographical basis.
Words change through time and you can’t reverse the tide-flow just by wanting to. For example, whatever the objections or regrets, no one is is ever going to alter that little three-letter *gay* back to the innocent meaning it generally held a few short decades ago and before.
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:37 pm
k1w!taxi: Cricket, rugby league – you win some, you lose some!
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:18 am
Anon – and Segue’s derogatory comments rate NO comment from you other than they are justified???
I didn’t personally attack her OR her daughter – I too was (as you so eloquently put it) “taking the piss” (or “piss-pulling) when I made that comment.
I rather like watching Rugby – not that I understand all the rules (and it makes a HELLUVA lot more sense than Gridiron) – but I prefer other forms of the code. I Also watch Gaelic and ‘aerial ping-pong’ (AFL).
Truth is, you seem VERY one-sided in your judgments – it’s OK for you or those you have conversed with long-term to slag off and get personal, but if a ‘Newb’ retaliates then they are gonna get a spray. My comment to you the other day was little out of character due to (as I explained) a very long and ’shite’ week. That comment was apologised-for, however, I am NOT going to apologise for making an offhand comment which was intended to get a ‘good-humoured bite’ from someone. That someone ‘bit’ alright, but failed to see the lighter side of it and instead, got bloody rude and personal – that is not my fault; especially since I don’t always agree with that stupid practice of putting “punctuation mark faces” on posts. I also, if you noticed, did state that the “crap” term was a ‘bit too strong’ in hindsight – especially when it wasn’t intended to be serious.
Your friend Segue used the derogatory term ‘bucko’ – a term which if used toward me on a playing field would probably earn me a red card for my response – something I have earned only ONCE in 40 years of sport – and that only because I was new to a certain format of the sport I was playing
I was told that my “opinion is worth less than the bandwidth it takes up.”
That is supposed to be an intelligent response? To be told one’s opinion is zero – that is tolerance? That is suportable by yourself consideringg that response, especially coupled with ‘bucko’ is a LOT more insulting than anything I said!
I was told I “have to rip every other form of football to shreds” – where did I do that? I made one comment about Rugby; not meant to be taken seriously and a passing one about Gridiron. A game which is truly confusing to anyone NOT an American.
How is THAT “ripping games to shreds”? iF i WANTED TO RIP A GAME TO SHREDS – I’d take a lot more than two lines to do it!
Finally: I was told to “Grow up or shut up.” – How dare this person abuse someone for expressing an opinion? That IS what this forum is about, Yes?
The reality is – you have “gone into bat” for someone who has abused me to a far greater extent than I gave them. Admitedly, my response after her tirade was pointed – but far less vituperative than was hers.
So Segue has a daughter who plays Rugby – big deal, I have had the opportunity to play / train 5 sports at either Regional/State or National level (including a 1st Dan in Karate) I have immediate family members who have done the same and have close friends and extended family in those same situations. If she is that threatened by someone having a go at her daughter’s sport then maybe she needs to ‘grow up a bit’ herself – if her daughter goes beyond club level, she is gonna get a LOT worse than I said: is she going to abuse someone face-to-face over her daughter and hope some well-meaning bystander will then leap to her defence? Segue also needs to “pull her horns in” as you say – but are you going to be the one to tell her; probably not because you don’t have the courage – you’d rather fire shots at someone who appears to be “new”
As for being judged – by whom – YOU??? Segue??? Astraya??? Anonymous names on an anonymous list; It seems you have already judged me – and who gives you the right – frankly I do not accept your judgement or that of the other two; Maybe if you sound off at Segue and I get an apology from her for her nasty comments I will accept that you are a fair-minded and serious individual and that Segue is truly contrite for being nasty; but I don’t expect them because I am begining to believe, sadly, that you are too biased to accept that an “e-friend” could be in the wrong.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:20 am
Muttley,
Despite your comments, I’m not here to waste time slinging shite, but to get at least as much out of LV as any alternative occupation I replace with it.
“… it’s OK for you or those you have conversed with long-term to slag off and get personal…”
Did I? I think if you read my posts carefully you’ll notice that I’ve taken the trouble to appreciate the positive contributions you’ve made and encourage you to keep going. If you think that’s rough treatment by LV standards, I suggest you try having a look through some of the other more controversial subjects here. For some time now, while not swallowing any apparent shit, I’ve tried to apply a policy of reconciliation, throwing out olive branches, and it’s often worked. Frankly, I’m not going to dilute my soup if either you or I leave LV over a spat, or both of us. It’s not my whole life, I’ve *got one*, and I’ve got friends out here, much as I value many on this site!
I’ll just make a trio of, I hope non-provacative, points, and that will be it from me as far as this negative slide goes.
1) You can’t understand others not picking up your non-seriously intended remarks? But that’s exactly what you did with astraya. That’s exactly what you did when I tried to provide you with some innocently intended information on poppies and anemones. I said it before: pot calling the kettle black.
2) YOU know how your remarks were intended. Don’t you think it’s a bit arrogant to suppose the rest of us can see the look on your face or hear that smile in your voice when you make them? The point is, we don’t know you, and we don’t know your sense of humour, so it would pay to tread carefully. That’s why most people use those smiley things (not me, but I often try to convey intended humour by other means). The situation you are in now has happened too many times before. In fact over and over in LV. I wouldn’t walk into a room of strangers and start taking the sort of pisstake liberties I do with my long-standing friends (and even there I know I have to watch a few sensitive toes).
3) It may be beyond your comprehension that a fellow human being could possibly behave in such a way, but I have to tell you that when a remark like:
“… as for ANY form of Rugby – I am still trying to work out WHY they even call that crap football at all.”
is written here, there are people who intend it as deeply, meanly and sincerely as others do when they slag off Hitler or Dubya. Again, that’s why people signal the intention of their remarks. Can you point out to me exactly what it is that tells us all without a shadow of doubt your particular comment was a joke? Or do we let everything pass by simply because the commenter might bite back and accuse us of lacking of sense of humour?
“It seems you have already judged me”
Muttley: on that one solitary remark, or perhaps a tendency to make that sort of remark, yes. Did I do anything but carefully throw bouquets at the considerable rest of your interesting contribution?
As for defending segue. You think I would have done had she written, “… as for soccer – I am still trying to work out WHY they even call that crap football at all.”? If you do you know very little of me. Yes indeed, we do defend one another against what we consider to be unmerited or OTT attacks or reactions. We know the others are not always around for a few days (a long time in LV). But we also know
each other by experience well enough to trust the others’ judgement. Most of us know when we’ve gone too far, or made an unintentional misunderstanding. I think you’ll find more apologies and retractions from that little group you’ve named than the full total of your posts so far. I have little doubt segue will come back to you herself, and I have every confidence in what will be her considered response.
Finally, if it pisses you off that some of we longer residents take it on ourselves to react every now and then, ask yourself this. Don’t you think we’ve got better things to do? Do you think we’re getting paid? Shall I make a list of the alternatives I might have done instead of trying to maintain contact with you here? Like it or not, we have actually been invited by the (lone) site manager to help out in keeping the site civilized. More *Od Boy* network? Or trust through experience?
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:00 am
i’m not a sports fan, so i could care less about the list topic but what does concern me are the comments. i know i can be guilty of being preferential towards community members over ‘drive by commentors’…that said.. community members should not assume that gives them privilege to trash a ‘drive by commentor’ unless they are acting like shit. not naming names or pointing fingers…just a reminder to keep it civil…who ever you are, whatever your comment on any list. and yes, community members ‘taking out the trash’ or ‘edumacting the young’uns’ is appreciated…as is a light touch.
sense of humor never hurts either.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:20 pm
Muttley: Having read what you apparently considered to be an apology, I can only say, ” apology denied”.
I shall consider you absent in the lists, skip over your posts, and not have to guess if you are joshing or serious. It simply takes too much energy, and energy is not something I have in great abundance.
So ta!
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:36 pm
’skipping’ comments based on commentor’s name…works if you can do it.
i could be wrong about this…see if J has any input…this platform does not have an ‘ignore’ function.
so yeah…if you recognize the commentor as someone w/ whom you’ve taken issue w/ in the past….skip it!
otherwise especially new commentors should take the time and trouble to at least scan previous comments as to not make asses of themselves by repeating what’s already been done beat to the death by previous commentors.
again..i grow concerned re: the ‘tone’ of recent comments on more than a few lists. ya’ll need to lighten up, k?
its just the internet.
i love that we have a community and mutual support for community members but inasmuch as it is sometimes even difficult for me to do..let’s do keep the passersby and new to the site in mind. k?
the one shot commentors aside…there are lurkers who come out the shadows to comment and i’d like to not scare ‘em off.
it is an entertainment site.
(ok..so w/ the occasional more intense subject matter list but…..)
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:46 pm
OK, Cyn. So Even though Muttley claimed, on another list, to be posting under his own name, I will not post the cartoon of Dastardly & Muttley I was about to post.
November 23rd, 2008 at 2:55 pm
goddamnit! i got all righteously indignant too soon. shucks!
fuck it. post it anyway, segue.
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Dastardly & Muttely in Their Flying Machines
gotta love it!
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:08 pm
@ segue -
LOL yup.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Muttley,
(Assuming you are still around) A few afterthoughts.
Number One. Our LV names ARE our identities here. Unless we happened to be someone like the real George Bush, Gordon Brown, Woody Allen, Queen Elizabeth, Maradona, Madonna, etc., would it mean the slightest bit more to you if we posted as our real names: say Arthur Bright, Naomi Cloudwell, John Percival and Frank Wilson? Using akas is not a matter of cowardice, it’s a matter of prudence. None of us wants to take the slightest risk that someone with nasty intentions might be able to reach back into the net and find us. Think about that, please.
Number Two. Many of us here know segue well, and know a lot more about her than you do. That’s not your fault, of course.
One thing we know from constant LV companionship is that she never SETS OFF spats. She is constructive, humorous, gentle and considerate. If she ever misconstrues or over-reacts, she always appreciates that. If your experience is so totally disfferent from everyone else’s, I suggest you might care to reflect and ask yourself why.
Number Three. According to you, if anyone were to write in LV, *Only total dickhead idiots live in Australia*, or *The Bible is a load of crap*, there is no need to react at all, because it’s all meant in fun as no more than a friendly wind-up. But even if an Aussie or Christian LVer was getting a bit hot under the collar, it’s not addressed to them personally, and not a personal attack, so they shouldn’t take it as such. That’s what you’re telling us? Hmmmmm. I’ve been exchanging with someone called Zilanthropist elsewhere in another site. According to him, whatever subject I touch on critically in any way that meams anything to him, no matter how impersonally or respectfully, is a direct ad hominem atttack. I think I should plug you two together. You’d get on like a house on fire!
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:21 pm
Cyn,
Are you telling me my 331 & 339 are too rude, rough and brutal for the tender young sensibility on display here?
If so, why not get Randall to rewrite them. Just a suggestion. Hahahaha!
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:24 pm
Add my 327 to that list.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:32 pm
mika hakkinen winning the f1 chamionship. twice. against michael schumacher. after almost dying.
)
gordon banks save against pele.
england 5 germany 1
botham’s ashes
“maggie thatcher! can you hear me?! your boys took a hell of a beating!” (maybe just for norway, that one
the busby babes making it to the fa cup final after the munich air disaster
borg winning wimbledon a million times
zidane in the 98 world cup final (and the 06 one too, if you want)
sachin tendulkar’s career
dwight yorke’s smile
oh, and soccer am turning big daddy’s “easy!” chant into a football chant
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:38 pm
Muttley, sorry mate but I failed to see anything humourous in your (304) comments. This is because I saw no modifiers at all that indicated your statement was supposed to be taken in any way except face value.
If I might suggest (and it is probably a good idea for all posters intending humour) please proof read your post before hitting send. This might also help in catching those silly little typos that seem to be a feature of so many posts.
As for your 326 comments
FYI – the Kiwi’s are probably (if not absolutely due to their VERY small population) THE best Rugby-playing natiuon on the planet – both League AND Union – not to mention they are also not slouches in the Cricket, Netball, Basketball, Athletics ans Swimming arenas either – not too shabby for a nation of around 5 million!
Thanks but that’s getting a bit carried away with how good we are.
Rugby – Yes we are definitely The Best.
League – No not the best by a long way. The Kangaroos are a far more talented team than us, but sometimes they get a touch complacent while we lift.
Cricket – No we are Crap. When we learn to bat we might be okay but til then NAH! I mean the Ockers failed to score 300 in either innings at the Gabba yet still beat us by 149 runs.
Netball – only two countries play it worth a damn.
Basketball – only one small period of excellence (the WC where we beat you to qualify then managed to finish 4th in the finals) but that was a oncer.
Athletics and swimming – again not really. A very occasional stand out (such as Valerie Vili or Danyon Loader) but really nothing since the end of our middle distance glory days in the mid 70’s.
However a couple where we do punch above our weight are Softball (4 times World champs) and Motor Racing (Bruce McLaren, Denis Hulme, Chris Amon, Scott Dixon, Jim Richard, Possum Bourne, Paul Radisich, Johnny Reid, Earl Bamber, Greg Murphy etc) and any sport that involves sitting on your arse on the water.
Cheers
Lee
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:43 pm
Muttley: You can believe this or not, but I haven’t judged you. I know how the anonymity of the internet and the impersonalness of plain typed text can cloud what person A says and how person B reads it, so I try to keep as open a mind as I possibly can. I try not to react too strongly to anyone (alas, I fail some of the time, I know that). There are people whose comments I skip completely or merely glance at. I expect that there are people who do the same to mine. (You might have skipped this, in which case I will never know!)
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
Muttley: FYI – the Kiwi’s are probably … THE best …
I have never said otherwise. And I’m sure that almost all of the New Zealanders on this site recognise my tongue-in-cheekness when they see it, and that almost all of them respond in the same way.
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:16 pm
k1w1taxi,
“… please proof read your post before hitting send. This might also help in catching those silly little typos that seem to be a feature of so many posts.”
I do and it doesn’t. Hahahaha!
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:52 pm
My so little mind-so much mouth syndrome seems to be acting up again.What a big uninteresting blowhard you are mate!
November 23rd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
Thats for mutt
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:42 pm
my pleasure, bigski, my oh-so-big-pleasure!
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:59 pm
Final post (I can hear the sighs of relief already).
Typo’s – I explained the keyboarding problems earlier,
K1W1taxi (343) forgot about motor racing and water-sports – especially yachting – - – BUT – you do your country a disservice. Per head of population NZ is among the best sporting nations in the world; give yourselves a little more credit. Even in cricket you’ve cleaned us up on more than one occasion!
Bigski and Segue – You are a pair of low-brow morons with little enough wit to GET to a keyboard – who types for you, your handlers?You two are living proof that it’s actually possible to suvive a head-shot. Apart fom that I guess you have other problems as well – - – I don’t know what thay are but I bet they’re hard to pronounce.
Get help immediately!
November 23rd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Muttley,
“Apart fom that I guess you have other problems as well – - -I don’t know what thay are but I bet they’re hard to pronounce.”
Better thank Providence for your blithe ignorance of what segue’s are and your own health, Muttley. If you knew the terrible unintentional irony of what you’ve just written, I hope you’d have enough humanity to want to shrivel up and die on the spot. I just cross everything crossable that she keeps her word and doesn’t read that sick trash herself.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:31 am
Anon: Better thank Providence …
Those capital fellows in Rhode Island will be pleased!
November 24th, 2008 at 5:27 am
astraya,
The Reds? The chickens, you mean? Puk-puk-puk-puk, PAAARK!
Pratts Bottom is near Orpington …. buff Orpington …
November 24th, 2008 at 9:43 am
I guess he told me ! Time for some levity. You know how our friend practices safe sex ? He spray paints an X on the back of the sheep that kick.
November 24th, 2008 at 11:43 am
bigski,
That’s grossly off-topic. Er … I think. Well, suppose it is about sport.
November 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Just joking hope I didn`t hurt feelings.Aint got nothing but love for all yall.
November 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
bigski,
Didn’t hurt mine. Can’t speak for the sheep though.
November 27th, 2008 at 1:23 am
Well now that we have done the too US thing to death I have another interesting *discrimination* within the list.
Having had our girls robbed of NZ Football’s finest moment in the 94th minute I got to thinking about the list and realised that there is only 1 female moment (Not THAT sort of moment
) on the list – Kerri Strug. A quick skim through the comments reveals very few additions there either and those consist almost exclusively of Nadia Comenici (along with one each for Olga Korbutt, Billie Jean King and The US Womens Soccer Team)
So to help redress this situation
2008 Olympics Womens Double Scull Final (NZ beat Norway by 0.01 sec)
2004 Athens Olympics Womens Pursuit Gold Medal Race (Sarah Ulmer won for NZ)
2006 Commonwealth Games Netball final
Just so you can’t complain I am too Kiwicentric
2004 Olympics Rowing Womens 8 Lay Down Sally.
November 27th, 2008 at 1:37 am
So to avoid being Kiwicentric you turn to Aussiebashing?
November 27th, 2008 at 7:44 am
k1w1taxi,
We went out socially last night well after half time, and our girls were losing 1-0 to yours. I’d seen both of us against the locals, and was extremely impressed by yours (hides admiration of female attractiveness behind show of admiration for soccer technique!), not least for their age. I was hoping, without any real hope, that our Chilenas would thrash the Nigerians, and we’d both get through. Of course, they only showed the redundant Chile vs Nigeria game here anyway. What would you expect, above all it being their last appearance. The written report made Us vs You sound a cracking game though.
Well, I’d not have shed tears if you’d made through. But as a lifelong Brit soccer freak I have to say that either my local or national team losing out to goals in the ultimate minute or so of extra time is something my senses have become dulled to, so I can sympathise. There have been rare reverse exceptions like last night and 1966, but in retrospect they do indeed seem rare! Similar things always seem to happen to us in tennis as well.
I read somewhere that Britain holds more Guinness world sports records than anywhere else. The trouble is no one else wants most of them!
November 27th, 2008 at 5:51 pm
astraya (359)
Yes! Isn’t that the only reason the place exists?
Cheers
Lee
December 2nd, 2008 at 10:13 am
Greatest American Sports moments of all time more like. Come on, what a load of bull. And then to have the cheek of putting a token Maradona goal at 11th to make it look balanced. Rubbish list.
December 4th, 2008 at 9:37 pm
First off Joe Lewis defeating Max Schmeling should be on here, for the same reason as Jessie Owens.
And second, to me the greatest moment in NFL history was the Giants defeating the undefeated Patriots with 0:35 left in the game. I mean the Pats came within 35 seconds of a perfect season, and winning more games than any team in history, only to have it snatched away.
December 25th, 2008 at 5:06 pm
Awww…I can’t believe you didn’t write about Nadia Comaneci- the Romanian gymnast to be awarded a perfect score of 10 in an Olympic gymnastic event. I hope you;ll someday consider this and put her on the list. She deserves it!
December 25th, 2008 at 11:55 pm
what about these, John Terry slipped off in PK in Champion’s League in 2008, in Moscow *the very hometown of Roman Abramovich, the Chelsea owner*, in a very very last minute to make Chelsea won Champion’s league, for the first time. That was epic, the atmosphere…
aaanndd Park Ji Sung goal in world cup 2k2, beat Italy and make them go through semis as the first Asian country ever succeded in World Cup?
January 8th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Silly list.
It should be labelled “top 15 greatest sports moments, only for americans”.
Not much you do know about sports worldwide.
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:12 am
HMM tough to narrow this down with so many sports, but there are so many other choices that would’ve been acceptable like:
Giants over Patriots, absolutely should be on the list, 2008
Red Sox ending the curse 2004
Aaron Boone’s home run 2003 vs. the red sox
1986 Mets/ Bill Buckner
Yankees win 5 titles in a row (40s/50s)
Tiger Woods vs. Mediate 2008
Reggie Jackson’s 3 homers in the 77 world series
Lance Armstrong…
Kirk Gibson’s homer while injured in 88 world series
“The Giants Win The Pennant!”
Yeah I’m kind of biased toward baseball and New York, I know. The only thing that I don’t want on the list is McGuire, since he’s all but proven to be a cheater. Roger Maris is still the real home run champ
January 23rd, 2009 at 6:15 am
ooh, i see bobby thompson is already on there… my bad
January 25th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
What about Rick Monday saves the American flag?
February 18th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Uh…Were you not around when it came to light that McGwire AND Sosa had been juicing the whole time? In retrospect, this isn’t even in the top 1000 greatest sports moments.
February 24th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Wow, I need to duck to avoid the heavy crossfire going on in here. Opinions are overated; the objectivity of such opinions can be called into question. The fact is that the majority of Americans do not immerse themselves in soccer and other popular sports from around the world like non-Americans do. At the same time, to badmouth a sport that millions of Americans have grown up with is totally out-of-line. An America-centric list? What do you expect? If a non-American were writing the list, I’m sure that moments that have made (American) football fun and exciting would be left off the list. At the risk of beating a dead horse, this was not a precise name for the list. However, every moment on the list is memorable (at least for Americans).
February 25th, 2009 at 9:52 am
What about Eli-Tyree in the Super Bowl?
Santonio Holmes’ catch?
The Immaculate Reception?
Any of Jim Thorpe’s records?
Aaron Boone’s home run against the Red Sox?
The Red Sox breaking the curse?
Kirk Gibson’s home run?
Tommy Smith/John Carlos raised fist salute?
I think there is grounds for another list.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:19 am
It might be worthy to include when Liverpool Football Club came back from 3-0 down in the 2005 champions league final to beat Ac milan
March 16th, 2009 at 11:05 am
everyone knows the Champions League Final 2005 involving Liverpool and AC Milan was the greatest moment in sport ever. No question. You’re thick if you think otherwise.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:49 am
what about bangladesh beating the Australian Cricket team
the australian team dominated world cricket winning 3 consecutive world cups being rated as the best cricket team in the history of the game and bangladesh beat them
its like manchested united against losing to a 5th devision team without legs
im australian and this is the moment in sport that is remarkable
since this list appears to be american should the patriots losing the super bowl in the final dramatic minutes be in here im not into american football but i can say this moment was amazing this team was considered on of the greatest teams before this match
March 27th, 2009 at 8:54 am
and can anybody american plz explain to me why the american baseball season is 170 ish games long it is so stupid in any other sport losing 10 games in a row would mean finishing near the bottom it takes the excitment out off the game i would go to games not caring about the result cos theres so many games
April 7th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Rugby isn’t a sport. Any game where they make up the rules as they go isn’t a sport.
April 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I am sure when my beloved Chicago Cubbies finally win their next World Series, it will easily qualify for one of the greatest sports moments ever. They will win again, I know it!
April 17th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
378. trfan : Nope, they’re gonna get owned by the Cards for the rest of forever. Go St. Louie!
April 21st, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Umm, I don’t usually complain about stuff like this, but on re-reading this list I don’t see much non-American on there…
John Aloisi putting home that last penalty against Uraguay to put Australia into the Football World Cup finals for the second time in history – first since 1974. Now that brought tears unbidden to my eyes I swear.
April 28th, 2009 at 8:35 am
For some non-american suggestions, how about:
Nadia Comaneci’s perfect ten at the Olympics for gymnastics?
Zidane’s headbutt at the World Cup?
But really, most of the best ones ARE American. It’s not our fault that we have so many professional sports leagues followed by millions around the world. It’s also not our fault that so many of these games are televised and broadcast around the world. People don’t remember the events from other nations simply because so many fewer people actually SAW them. Just the facts.
April 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
@Hal: seriously? The world leading sport is what USers call “soccer”, a sport not so popular in the US. So maybe you wanna take a deep breathe, and embrace a world-wide view of sports.
PS: Zidane’s headbutt?? Man, this list surely is one of the most incendiary of all lists here in Listverse.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
this seems very much like americas greatest sporting moments. outside the US and japan do people even recognise baseball as a sport?
May 3rd, 2009 at 7:25 am
I’m sorry but Secretariat winning the Belmont should be on the list. It happened the year I was born and I have only ever seen replays of it but it is the greatest sporting event I have ever seen!
May 6th, 2009 at 8:08 am
What a silly list.
May 13th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Not having Ali Vs George Foreman is a crime. They made a movie about that fight.
May 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Top 15 greatest AMERICAN sports moments
If you didn’t include Nadia Comaneci in “top sports moments of all time” you clearly know nothing about sport
read about NADIA COMANECI! This top is shit! Take it out from listverse or change it.
May 14th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Nadia Comaneci really should be in Top 3!
I agree with Dionysus!
May 17th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Greatest sports moments of all time ?! LoL … who said that usa is the greatest sports nation… one big lol
– swimming – Australia, Hockey – Canada, Tennis – USA, Spain, Germany, Football – Brasilia, Argentina, Germany, Holland, ; Soviet Union had some great athletes but they’re not mentioned .. why? What about Sergey Bubka ? or Stefka Kostadinova ? or Michael Schumacher ? or Borg ? Agsi, Sampras ? Federer (modern age) or some others …
Well I personaly do not accept this “rating” !
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:59 am
The title is misleading, you should either change it to “Top 15 greatest AMERICAN sports moments of all time” or do some research to include the right ones. A few hints:
NO ONE outside the US cares about American football.
ALMOST NO ONE outside the US cares about baseball.
NO ONE outside the US and Canada cares about hockey.
The pitiful reference to soccer (really, Maradona? Have you ever heard of Pele???? After all the title says “of ALL time”) and the absence of formula one and Nadia Comanecci in this list makes me question its seriousness.
July 6th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I don’t think you can go past John Landy for possibly the greatest example of sportsmanship in history. The guy actually stopped mid-race to help up one of his rivals (in an Olympic event!) get back to his feet and then went on to win the race. Do you think anyone would bother to do that these days in our win at all costs society?
July 30th, 2009 at 4:25 am
jesse owens, a black man, should be at number one. winning the staple event in athletics, the 100 meter event which often gives the standard of who is the fastest human in the world, to the face of hitler who consider owen’s race as inferior. man that was one kodak moment for the history book.
one that you missed
the african-american track athletes who raised their first (iforget what track event and when, but for just for the discription i assure evryone who knows sport know the image)
August 4th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
The fact that you omitted Secretariat from this list defines this list as someone with little to no knowledge of sports.
31 Length win in the Belmont Stakes.
World records in all 2; Kentucky Derby, Preakness and Belmont, which to this day ALL still stand.
Any you omitted it.
Shocking!!
August 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
this is the worst list I have ever seen. Was this not supposed to be the 15 greatest sporting moments of all time? It should be renamed the greatest sporting moments involving US athletes (ber Maradona) in American Sports
August 28th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Wow¡¡ so baseball is a sport, who would have guessed that?
August 29th, 2009 at 1:00 am
Just having the Israeli team out there after the Munich bombing is a great sporting feat.
What- no Pele?!!!
Riggs -v- King
August 29th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
John Landy didnt do that in the olympics he did it in the australian championships he got bronze in the olympics
August 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
No Immaculate Reception? I would venture to say it was bigger and more important than Dwight Clark’s catch. Even Santonio Holmes’ catch in Super Bowl XLIII was better.
September 8th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
John Landy would be another candidate I think. In a 1500m running final in 1956, he stopped to help a fellow runner who had fallen over. When the other runner got up, Landy started running again and ended up winning the race. It’s still seen as the best display of sportsmanship in Australian sports history.
September 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 am
Mike Tyson like’s deep fried ears.Actually he took a bite twice.lol
October 17th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
What about Manchester United’s champions league final against bayern munich. United scored in the last 2 minutes of injury time against a team that were powerhouses in europe.
It was so unexpected that the trophy carriers actually put on bayern’s team colours before united went on to score with seconds of the game left.
Our group of teams that we were up against was called the group of death because we had some of the biggest contenders; we still came top and went on to win it, in historical fashion, which can only be described as the United never say die spirit.
GET IN!:D
October 17th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
team colours on the trophy*
November 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Ok did anyone see about mike tyson thats gross.Amd abnormal and he got kicked out soo i dont really get the purpose of biting someones ear.Especially soo hard that after the fights done you find a part of it on the floor.Ewww and he had to of tasted blood and just wow thats was not professional at all.
November 10th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Only an American could put a bunk list like that. Phelps over Owens. That is just laughable. Swimming is a sport where you have guys win 5 plus medals one for every 1 or 2 Olympic games. Owens broke 3 world records in an hour. In track and field that is just near impossible given the MUCH longer recovery time in track.
And look up the South African Rugby team… you will find they had a pretty solid moment in sports history… its called research… usually you do it.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:19 am
this is so stupid you publish top 15 sporting moments and no name of sachin tendulkar. only americans. you people are truly nutters.
November 16th, 2009 at 6:27 am
@vicks (405): This site is actually not run by Americans, but thanks for the kneejerk reaction typical of whiny shittards like yourself.
November 16th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
wow……!
November 16th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
november16th, 2009 at10.02p.m.
November 17th, 2009 at 12:05 am
406 crispin: you asshole you think these 15 useless points dominate the sporting history?
November 17th, 2009 at 12:06 am
well the real shitheads are americans. they are still crying over world trade center attacks.
November 17th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
sport means health
November 18th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Wow great sports moments
November 20th, 2009 at 12:44 am
I love the sport soccer….
Diego Maradona, i inspired you as one of the best player in soccer history and to the new generations
November 20th, 2009 at 6:47 am
hu3…i like it…
November 21st, 2009 at 4:10 pm
good!