Fairy tales of the past were often full of macabre and gruesome twists and endings. These days, companies like Disney have sanitized them for a modern audience that is clearly deemed unable to cope, and so we see happy endings everywhere. This list looks at some of the common endings we are familiar with – and explains the original gruesome origins. If you know of any others, be sure to mention it in the comments – or if you know of a fairy tale that is just outright gruesome (in its original or modern form), speak up.
In the tale of the Pied Piper, we have a village overrun with rats. A man arrives dressed in clothes of pied (a patchwork of colors) and offers to rid the town of the vermin. The villagers agree to pay a vast sum of money if the piper can do it – and he does. He plays music on his pipe which draws all the rats out of the town. When he returns for payment – the villagers won’t cough up so the Pied Piper decides to rid the town of children too! In most modern variants, the piper draws the children to a cave out of the town and when the townsfolk finally agree to pay up, he sends them back. In the darker original, the piper leads the children to a river where they all drown (except a lame boy who couldn’t keep up). Some modern scholars say that there are connotations of pedophilia in this fairy tale.
The version of this tale that most of us are familiar with ends with Riding Hood being saved by the woodsman who kills the wicked wolf. But in fact, the original French version (by Charles Perrault) of the tale was not quite so nice. In this version, the little girl is a well bred young lady who is given false instructions by the wolf when she asks the way to her grandmothers. Foolishly riding hood takes the advice of the wolf and ends up being eaten. And here the story ends. There is no woodsman – no grandmother – just a fat wolf and a dead Red Riding Hood. The moral to this story is to not take advice from strangers.
The 1989 version of the Little Mermaid might be better known as “The big whopper!” In the Disney version, the film ends with Ariel the mermaid being changed into a human so she can marry Eric. They marry in a wonderful wedding attended by humans and merpeople. But, in the very first version by Hans Christian Andersen, the mermaid sees the Prince marry a princess and she despairs. She is offered a knife with which to stab the prince to death, but rather than do that she jumps into the sea and dies by turning to froth. Hans Christian Andersen modified the ending slightly to make it more pleasant. In his new ending, instead of dying when turned to froth, she becomes a “daughter of the air” waiting to go to heaven – so, frankly, she is still dead for all intents and purposes.
In the tale of snow white that we are all familiar with, the Queen asks a huntsman to kill her and bring her heart back as proof. Instead, the huntsman can’t bring himself to do it and returns with the heart of a boar. Now, fortunately disney hasn’t done too much damage to this tale, but they did leave out one important original element: in the original tale, the Queen actually asks for Snow White’s liver and lungs – which are to be served for dinner that night! Also in the original, Snow White wakes up when she is jostled by the prince’s horse as he carries her back to his castle – not from a magical kiss. What the prince wanted to do with a dead girl’s body I will leave to your imagination. Oh – in the Grimm version, the tale ends with the Queen being forced to dance to death in red hot iron shoes!
In the original sleeping beauty, the lovely princess is put to sleep when she pricks her finger on a spindle. She sleeps for one hundred years when a prince finally arrives, kisses her, and awakens her. They fall in love, marry, and (surprise surprise) live happily ever after. But alas, the original tale is not so sweet (in fact, you have to read this to believe it.) In the original, the young woman is put to sleep because of a prophesy, rather than a curse. And it isn’t the kiss of a prince which wakes her up: the king seeing her asleep, and rather fancying having a bit, rapes her. After nine months she gives birth to two children (while she is still asleep). One of the children sucks her finger which removes the piece of flax which was keeping her asleep. She wakes up to find herself raped and the mother of two kids.
This fair tale is a little different from the others because rather than sanitizing the original, it was modified by the original author to make it more gruesome. In the original tale, Rumpelstiltskin spins straw into gold for a young girl who faces death unless she is able to perform the feat. In return, he asks for her first born child. She agrees – but when the day comes to hand over the kid, she can’t do it. Rumpelstiltskin tells her that he will let her off the bargain if she can guess his name. She overhears him singing his name by a fire and so she guesses it correctly. Rumpelstiltskin, furious, runs away, never to be seen again. But in the updated version, things are a little messier. Rumpelstiltskin is so angry that he drives his right foot deep into the ground. He then grabs his left leg and rips himself in half. Needless to say this kills him.

In this heart warming tale, we hear of pretty little goldilocks who finds the house of the three bears. She sneaks inside and eats their food, sits in their chairs, and finally falls asleep on the bed of the littlest bear. When the bears return home they find her asleep – she awakens and escapes out the window in terror. The original tale (which actually only dates to 1837) has two possible variations. In the first, the bears find Goldilocks and rip her apart and eat her. In the second, Goldilocks is actually an old hag who (like the sanitized version) jumps out of a window when the bears wake her up. The story ends by telling us that she either broke her neck in the fall, or was arrested for vagrancy and sent to the “House of Correction”.
In the widely known version of Hansel and Gretel, we hear of two little children who become lost in the forest, eventually finding their way to a gingerbread house which belongs to a wicked witch. The children end up enslaved for a time as the witch prepares them for eating. They figure their way out and throw the witch in a fire and escape. In an earlier French version of this tale (called The Lost Children), instead of a witch we have a devil. Now the wicked old devil is tricked by the children (in much the same way as Hansel and Gretel) but he works it out and puts together a sawhorse to put one of the children on to bleed (that isn’t an error – he really does). The children pretend not to know how to get on the sawhorse so the devil’s wife demonstrates. While she is lying down the kids slash her throat and escape.
Frankly, the revised version of this fairy tale is not a great deal better than the original, but there are sufficient differences to include it here. In the new version, a poor man is offered wealth by the devil if he gives him whatever is standing behind his mill. The poor man thinks it is an apple tree and agrees – but it is actually his daughter. The devil tries to take the daughter but can’t – because she is pure, so he threatens to take the father unless the daughter allows her father to chop off her hands. She agrees and the father does the deed. Now – that is not particularly nice, but it is slightly worse in some of the earlier variants in which the young girl chops off her own arms in order to make herself ugly to her brother who is trying to rape her. In another variant, the father chops off the daughter’s hands because she refuses to let him have sex with her.
In the modern Cinderella fairy tale we have the beautiful Cinderella swept off her feet by the prince and her wicked step sisters marrying two lords – with everyone living happily ever after. The fairy tale has its origins way back in the 1st century BC where Strabo’s heroine was actually called Rhodopis, not Cinderella. The story was very similar to the modern one with the exception of the glass slippers and pumpkin coach. But, lurking behind the pretty tale is a more sinister variation by the Grimm brothers: in this version, the nasty step-sisters cut off parts of their own feet in order to fit them into the glass slipper – hoping to fool the prince. The prince is alerted to the trickery by two pigeons who peck out the step sister’s eyes. They end up spending the rest of their lives as blind beggars while Cinderella gets to lounge about in luxury at the prince’s castle.
Contributor: JFrater






















January 6th, 2009 at 2:47 am
Love this. Reminds me of that Simpson ep with Maggie understanding and envisioning the baby falling out of the cradle in the tree.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:49 am
chershey: I always wondered that very same thing when I heard that nursery rhyme as a kid – it is totally bizarre!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:49 am
Are they real?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:50 am
And Cinderella must be ‘1′ not ‘10′…
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 am
This is the first list I’ve ever seen count back up to 10!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 am
chandramouli: the tales are not “true stories” they are fairy tales – all made up. And thanks for the correction – I have fixed it
January 6th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Fairy Tales are AWESOME.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Oh – and I spent an hour trying to find an item 10 and couldn’t – hence we have only 9 on the list
If someone wants to give me a 10th I will add it.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:55 am
wicked!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:55 am
JFrater you always make good lists
keep up the good work.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Oh, and for 10 you could do the ring-around-the-rosy and the Bubonic plague. Its a stretch i know but still. better than nothing
January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 am
That was kind of traumatising.
Nursery rhymes are also pretty messed up. Like one my daughter is so fond of, ring a rosie. I can’t help thinking of dead people everytime she makes me jump around on the trampoline singing it.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Great list. Another supposedly innocent nursery rhyme is one that goes “It’s raining, it’s pouring. The old man is snoring. He went to bed and bumped his head and couldn’t get up in the morning”.
That poor guy either died or knocked himself unconscious. Either way it’s awful. Poor old man!
January 6th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Where do you find all these things……….I love these lists.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:04 am
Hey jubbs – thanks for the suggestion – I actually just realized that I could add the Pied Piper – so I now have ten and it is now the top 10 – it has to be “top” because there are no others to make a second list or to be selective about!
MPW: haha I liked that nursery rhyme – and yes – poor old man. Though perhaps at his age he should not be sleeping in bunkbeds!
January 6th, 2009 at 3:07 am
kealey: Wikipedia has quite a hilarious “modern” version of “Ring o’ Roses” if the plague interpretation is true:
“Symptoms of serious illness
Flowers to ward off the stench
We’re burning the corpses
We all drop dead.”
It doesn’t have quite the same ring to it
January 6th, 2009 at 3:09 am
jfrater: Too old for bunkbeds! Never!
January 6th, 2009 at 3:11 am
MPW: okay yeah – I did feel a little tear come to my eye when I thought I might one day be too old for them myself
January 6th, 2009 at 3:12 am
MPW: Agreed!
also….
OMG JFRATER RESPONDED TO ME!!!!
Ok enough star-struckness for today.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:14 am
Jubbs: hehe – I might not respond to EVERY comment, but I try to read them all at least and usually succeed
January 6th, 2009 at 3:17 am
wow!!!! now why would ppl want to recite such tales to their children?????
January 6th, 2009 at 3:19 am
Also, that signs in evolution thing will be a good study guide for a debate with my fundamentalist friends
Pied piper: “Connections with pedophelia”
In a dark twisted way i couldnt help but laughing.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Rumpelstiltskin used to scare the life out of me as a kid.
Thank God Disney turned most of these stories into happy endings or else I would be a seriously disturbed individual by now…
Great list
January 6th, 2009 at 3:55 am
In the original Hansel and Gretel, the children are led into the forest by their parents who can’t afford to feed them. The first time they drop stones and follow them back, the next time it is breadcrumbs but those are eaten by birds so they get lost.
Gee, thanks mom and dad…
January 6th, 2009 at 3:56 am
Does anyone know if there are any books available with all the fairy tales in their orignal form? In the version I heard of the Pied Piper he didn’t give the kids back – he led them all into a cave and there was a gateway to another world which the adults couldn’t enter. I had a book of fairy tales as a kid and according to it Rumpelstiltskin stamped his foot so hard a big crack appeared in the ground and he fell in.
I’ve never even heard of number 2, which is possibly the creepiest!
January 6th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Mortified guns on the list, g – this is one of my favourite lists that I’ve read here.
PS – Go Habs!
January 6th, 2009 at 4:03 am
What about the Tailypo? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tailypo
Used to scare me witless as a child!
January 6th, 2009 at 4:11 am
“The Uses of Enchantment: The Meaning and Importance of Fairy Tales”, Knopf, New York, 1976
“In The Uses of Enchantment, Bettelheim suggested that traditional fairy tales, with the darkness of abandonment, death, witches, and injuries, allowed children to grapple with their fears. If they could read and interpret these fairy tales in their own way, he believed they would get a greater sense of meaning and purpose. Bettelheim thought that by engaging with the stories, children would go through emotional growth that would better prepare them for their own lives. He believed that the tales had an organic quality because of having evolved in societies, and that they allowed children to grapple with their darkest fears in symbolic terms.”
January 6th, 2009 at 4:15 am
Jfrater, I KNEW those bunk beds were yours!
I liked the list, BTW. There’s definitely a book out there going into the fairy tails in detail, and speaking about the underlying themes. Too bad I can’t remember the name of it, or the author.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:35 am
ligeia: Amazon’s being stupid and won’t let me click on the books, but if you search for Grimm’s fairy tales you can look in the first one and see if it has the correct stories.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:46 am
this list just made my niece cry
January 6th, 2009 at 5:06 am
The town of Hamlin in Germany where the story of the Pied Piper is supposed to have been based, was over run by rats this year.
http://www.upi.com/Odd_News/2008/11/19/Hamlin_seeks_new_Pied_Piper_for_rats/UPI-25211227138361/
January 6th, 2009 at 5:18 am
legia – I have a great book that explains the true meaning behind fairy tails but but darn it, it’s packed away and I can’t recall the name.
jfrater – excellent list choice. Personally, I prefer Tex Avery’s versions of Little Red Riding Hood.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:20 am
I think this list is fantastic! I’ve tried looking for the original versions of faery tales before but could only find sleeping beauty or the little mermaid.
I’m positive that whenever i heard the tale of the pied piper he brought the children to a cliff like the rats.
I think the only true faery tales are stories like “The Children of the Wind” or “The Buttercup and the Bluebell”
January 6th, 2009 at 5:20 am
JFrater……..I know there are more fairy tales, but from the sound of these I must have blocked them out
What timing.I just read a similar list last night….though they didn’t have 10 there are a few more tales in the comments section.
http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/10457
January 6th, 2009 at 5:28 am
geez…it’s like some kind of fairy tale conspiracy….after reading a list last night, then a new list this morning.just saw this on another site..
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/4125664/Traditional-fairytales-not-PC-enough-for-parents.html
*hears the beginning strains of the Twilight Zone theme*
January 6th, 2009 at 5:37 am
I always despised Disney for their need to change fairytales (Little Mermaid being the worst of the treatments…)
January 6th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Niels Toft at No 24, hate to break it to you, mate, but the story that you mention, has nothing to do with Hansel and Gretel whatsoever. Although equally gruesome, it is a story about 7 brothers, lost in the forest in the way you describe. There was a cannibal involved,who gave them a shelter and he had seven daughters. He was outsmarted by the youngest brother (to cut a long story short, he replaced the boys’ hats with the girls’ crowns and the cannibal cut the throats of his own seven daughters, mistakenly believing that the 7 boys slept in that bed. Cheerful stuff!
Much as I love Hans Andersen, I have to admit that quite a few of his stories might disturb some children. There was the story of the red shoes, who made anybody who wore them, dance until they collapsed with exhaustion. The girl had to amputate her own feet to get rid of the shoes! Wonder where the ‘Saw’ director got his inspiration from?!
1001 Nights are also very gruesome-from the woman cut into pieces in Three Apples to the talking severed head of Dr. Duban, who poisoned the king who killed him form beyond the grave…
January 6th, 2009 at 5:48 am
the pied piper tale reminds me of Marilyn Manson; or should it be the other way ’round?
as in:
http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg6/isamplified/DAVID%20LACHAPELLE/MarilynManson.jpg
January 6th, 2009 at 6:04 am
I have always loved the “truth” behind fairy tales. I have been fascinated with it ever since I heard about the true beginnings of them. Great list!
January 6th, 2009 at 6:39 am
fascinating!!! more jfrat! ü
January 6th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Eve: I know Hansel and Gretel the same way as Niels Toft were telling it. I guess the same elements can be present in many different stories.
January 6th, 2009 at 6:46 am
you did very good research.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Also of interest for those liking grim or alternate versions of fairy tales is Anne Sexton’s book of poetry called Transformations.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:14 am
i like the older versions because they reflect life…
January 6th, 2009 at 7:14 am
I looove fairy tales, gruesome and revised.
One you missed out (if I remember right) is Rapunzel, where they do the dirty deed at one point and the witchy who imprisoned her notices her belly getting just a bit bigger (that or it was a part where Rapsy slips up and mentions how a man can be so umm *ahem* ‘perfect’). Anyhoo, the witch lops off her hair and throws Rapsy out who then has to raise her kids off in nowhere land. The prince, who is tricked to coming up the tower by witchy, gets his just desserts by being pushed out the window and onto some brambles where he gets his eyes scratched out, which for the next couple of months, he wanders around blind till he chances upon where Raps is raising the bundle of joy he left her with. Her kisses are miraculous and somehow clear his eyes of whatever thorn got lodged in there and he’s no longer blind (but saddled with kids).
Not as gruesome as the others, but I’m sure Disney isn’t too keen on making this one for the kids (yet…).
January 6th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Oh I love this list. I own the Grimm fairy tales and read Cinderella, too. I was expecting it to be on the list. There were singing birds… just not singing pleasant songs. The one of the step-sisters cut off her big toe and the other part of her heel. They were told on by the birds because the blood was seeping out of the slipper (which he used to check the next sister with, who bled in it, then Cinderella…)
I also read Rumpelstiltskin in the same book where he slams his foot in the ground and tears himself in half.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:16 am
We need some of these movies made, I think…
January 6th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Funny that cracked.com did an article like this not too long ago.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Great list! I found a lot of these while doing research for an illustration. Take a look… The Tale of the Juniper Tree
January 6th, 2009 at 7:40 am
love it.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:43 am
I never knew there was a “nice” Pied Piper. I’ve only read the one where the kids drown.
In the original Beauty and the Beast, the beast is turned into a beast because the fairy he is left as a child/into adulthood with tries to sleep with him and he says no.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:07 am
I have a treasured, 75-year-old book of children’s fables and rhymes, withs stories that haven’t been softened, made PC or “friendly.” Among my favorites is the Grimm Bros. tale “The Fisherman and His Wife,” which, while not gruesome, is a great tale/warning about never being satisfied with what you have.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Hey all! Here is one of my favorite sites for more, uhm, “interesting” fairy tales. Some of these are truly disturbing… Enjoy!
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~spok/grimmtmp/
January 6th, 2009 at 8:14 am
this sort of fits this category.
a look at the alphabet through the eyes of edward gorey. someone has taken the poem and illustrations and made it into a video seen here.
http://thisoneandthatonetoo.blogspot.com/2007/06/ghastlycrumb-tinies-by-edward-gorey.html
definately about a children’s subject yet very dark.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:42 am
i.ve never heard of number two and i thought i had read most of the originals…all the others i had heard of…also in one of them (sleeping beauty or snow white or cinderella i think) i thought the original ending had the prince ask the evil witch/stepmom/whatever what the punishment should be to someone who tried to kill the princess and she replied to be dragged about in a barrel with nails stuck in it by two white horses thru town till she died…so the prince ordered that sentence carried out…i remember reading it in the original grimm brothers fairy tails book…i just cant recall which one…
January 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Nice list JFrater, although I have heard the same story about Sleeping Beauty a couple of months ago in our forum. And has confirmed the story at the useful or unuseful things website, I cant remember the exact URL, but the site entitles that way, “useful or unuseful things”
January 6th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Excellent list Jamie. I had both The Brothers Grimm and Hans Christian Anderson fairy tales as a kid. They were all disturbing in one way or another. I remember Snow White and Rose Red, The Little Matchstick Girl (I cried when I read that one), The Ice Princess, Hansel and Gretel, Sleeping Beauty. All of them creepy; involving death, cannibalism, incest, and dreams NOT coming true (unless you mean nightmares). The Disneyfied versions have their place in the nursery; but once your kids are reading, give them the real ones. Not only are the stories fascinating, they’re well written and unlike much modern children’s literature, they are not patronizing. Not in the vocabulary, nor in the story-line.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:52 am
great list…as a little girl I loved “The Robber Bridegroom” without really knowing how gruesome the tale really was… as I reread it in adulthood, I was amazed that the tale was so dark and violent! Murder, rape, mutilated bodies…
I also loved “The Cat and the Mouse in Partnership” is also a good tale…
love the original Grimm stories!
p.s. thank you DiscHuker for mentioning Edward Gorey. The dark macabe is fun…
January 6th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Oooh, longball, I remember reading something along those lines too (with the barrel of nails), but I’ve also heard of the red hot dancing shoes.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:06 am
For any of those interested here are some links to the various original versions mentioned. We studied them in my Children’s Lit class. Very interesting stuff! Hopefully these all work for everyone. Enjoy:
http://www.usm.edu/english/fairytales/cinderella/cind5.html#Episode1
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0510a.html#grimm
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0510a.html
http://www.literaturecollection.com/a/andersen/323/
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0333.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0333.html
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/quotes/picnicba.html
http://www.angelfire.com/nb/classillus/images/perrault/tom.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm015a.html
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/type0327.html
January 6th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Repunzle, In a version i read after the prince visted her the first time and was sent away by the witch when she escapes she gives birth to twins, deduce the fact that they didnt do mutch talking on there first meeting.
Nusi
Ps Love the list i never heard of the girl without hands it awful!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:15 am
This is an awesome list! I was glad someone in the comments mentioned Rapunzel. I love the sex and lies and total violence of fairy tales! How sweet . . .
January 6th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Waoh. That really was a very interesting and disturbing list. Though i knew most of them it was still pretty cool. Didn’t know number 2. Fairy tales are pretty awesome. I love ‘em. i did research on most fairy tales when I was younger. But hmm.. girl without hands. Overall, really interesting n cool list frat boy..
January 6th, 2009 at 9:29 am
I know Disney changes all of these to make them happier, but there ARE some macabre things that go on. Think about it:
The Lion King:
The uncle kills the dad to become king, marries the mom and tries to send the son away/have him killed. Sound familiar?
The Little Mermaid:
Evil witch gets stabbed. With a ship.
Beauty and the Beast:
Bad guy falls off a castle to his certain death.
No one bad in Disney movies just fades away for goes to jail. If you mess with a princess and/or good guy, you’re gonna die. Probably by falling off something.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:34 am
You can read all of Grimm’s Fairy Tales at Project Gutenberg.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2591/2591-h/2591-h.htm
January 6th, 2009 at 9:37 am
I had a book of The Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales as a kid. Though sometimes scary and gruesome, they are (were) much more interesting than the sanitized versions. Most were the same as, or very similar to, the original versions you detail in the list.
I agree with the person who said the evil Stepmother of Hansel and Gretel talked their father into abandoning them (getting them lost) in the forest since there was not enough for all to eat. The father later regrets what he has done and goes searching for them (and finds them after they’ve killed the witch). The stepmother dies, but I don’t remember the details. At least, that’s the version of the tale I’m familiar with.
I also agree with some others here. I have never ever heard of #2 – The Girl Without Hands.
Good List. Took me down memory lane.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I think Grimms “The Three Little Men in the Forest” deserves a place on the list, although, for the life of me, I can’t think of a happier ending version.
As a child I read all of the Anderson and Grimm Bros. Tales, in their original forms, and loved them. Of course they were gruesome, but each had a moral. The moral is lost in many of the “cleaned-up” versions. We learned to tell the truth, to act kindly toward others, to share.
I like the originals.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:21 am
today is my birthday and i really enjoyed this list!!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:30 am
horrible
January 6th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Great list. I love fairy tales. They are so twisted.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:35 am
ahhhh…. Bruno Bettelheim…. The Uses of Enchantment. I love that book. I read it for the first time when I was 17, and it helped to shape some of my attitudes towards literature and no doubt affected my work as a writer. No matter what one might think of Bettelheim and his somewhat shady background, there’s no question that in regards to the psychological nature and impact of fairy tales, he was dead right.
The reason adults find the original versions of fairy tales “gruesome” is because–no matter how much we may believe we can manage it–we are no longer capable of thinking as children think. Not without some great effort, at any rate.
We may view the results and details of a story as “gruesome” and feel that it uncloaks harsh realities to children—and find this to be inappropriate—but in fact when the core elements of a fairy tale are examined from the vantage point of a child’s more self-oriented picture of the world, it becomes clear that the “harsh” elements serve as solid basis from which a child can reach understanding and make a judgement about certain actions, themes, and situations. This forms the basis of a consciousness which results in a more grounded, well-adjusted adult. (Again, we tend to find this to be counter-intuitive, but evidence supports the conclusion, and if you think about it, you see why it works this way).
The reason “watered-down” or Disneyfied versions of fairy tales are a travesty is because they simply present one more re-edification and reiteration of a world where kids can want, desire, ask for, or demand certain outcomes, and can expect to find them or get them. There’s more to this than simply the later disillusion of realizing that life usually doesn’t bring happy endings; it also does nothing in assisting a child in creating, within his or her own mind, a natural morality and understanding of how the world works. Adults like the Disney tales because they find escapism and happy endings enjoyable–forgetting that kids don’t require escape yet (at least, they *shouldn’t*) but rather are instinctively seeking out the same solidity of understanding that we as adults continually seek out in life. We’re always better off when we have an underpinning of understanding with which to work from–witness, for example, the miserable train wreck that is the life of someone like, say, Lindsay Lohan, or any other number of child stars who were handed life on a platter at an early age, given no real adult guidance (and if anything were in fact encouraged outright into guideless lives) and end up finally as unable to truly cope with adult life.
Denying children the solidity they seek–that is, denying them fairy tales that to us seems “gruesome” and terrible but are viewed in their eyes very differently–does them no good. Offering up to them only Disney falsehoods and distortions (along with, oddly enough, in many Disney films certain moments of violence and tragedy–the perennial loss of the mother, for instance, with no attending explanation or solid basis on which a child can understand this) is the equivalent of handing them candy without any greater, substantive food.
Ah… how easily I can still slip into the psycho-speak of my college days. Funny how somebody could write whole papers of stuff like that for a class and then put on a skinny tie and go out barhopping, dancing to Heaven 17 and Cabaret Voltaire, while simultaneously drinking oneself into a stupor AND trying to get laid all at once. And then go right back the next day and write MORE of that same stuff.
Humans are complex and very odd creatures.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:38 am
happy birthday mikaela
awesome list!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Wow, to imagine these are the happiest stories in the world. Shudder to think what the sad ones are.
January 6th, 2009 at 10:56 am
What the hell is “the big whopper?”
January 6th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Certainly some very sick and twisted minds thought of these stories…….I like it
January 6th, 2009 at 11:08 am
never even heard of the second one! fascinating though
January 6th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I remember having to translate Grimm Fairy Tales in high school German class. They were all more er…. grim then their Disney counterpart.
I could be wrong, but i believe in the Grimm version the slipper is made of fur not glass.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Did anybody see this version of Snow White, with Sigorney Weaver as the wicked witch? It was quite good and true to the original story.
http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1804140825/
January 6th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Randall – Indeed, they are odd and complex.
I love the list Jamie! But then, I always love stuff like this, where the raw underbelly of our world is laid bare for all to see.
And to Dischuker – Thank you for that link! I enjoyed that very much.
January 6th, 2009 at 11:54 am
I read somewhere that little Red Riding Hood was cut up into peices and baked into a pie by the wolf. The wolf had intended it to be eaten by her rescuers.
Prior to that, the wolf, dressed as the grandmother, tries to seduce little Red.
Yucky!
January 6th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Also, a great story for anyone who’s interested, is Neil Gaiman’s “Snow, Glass, and Apples”. It’s a retelling of a fairy tale, and is absolutely delicious. If anyone can find a free version, by all means let me know, because I absolutely adore that story, it’s at least as good as “American Gods”, and that book alone caused me to have an even greater respect for Mr. Gaiman than I do even for King and Barker.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Awesome list! Never heard of the girl without hands.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Snow White and Goldilocks are proper names in these cases and the first letter should be capital. Sleeping beauty I am leaving as is since this was to describe her.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Geronimo(21) We tell these tales to our children because they also include a moral to the story – if not obvious in the telling of the tale, we discuss with them what the story means to them and to us. Can be a great learning experience for them, and keeps their attention throughout the story.
January 6th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
So much incest in these fairy tales!!! All these fathers who want to sleep with their daughters! Was that a common occurance at the time?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Guys, I’m sorry. I post way too much info. How dare I subject you all to these short novels. I’m such a dumb shit.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
The Wizard of Oz is kind of a modern fairy tale.
What do you think of the book and play “Wicked”, which is told from the Witch’s point of view?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
This list kills me. I knew all of them, and have a couple things to add, so I guess it was right up my alley. In The Girl Without Hands version I read, the Devil wanted her hands chopped off because she had wept all over them, then she wept all over her wrists and he gave up. Then she left her home, wandered around, married a king, got betrayed by the king’s mother, etc. In Little Red Riding Hood, in the original French version, there where a lot of sexual undertones… in the famous “What big (etc.) you have!” “The better to …” dialogue, there’s a very explicit reference, but I’m afraid trying to explain it would be NSFW.
More striking stories: The Poor Boy in the Grave (very sad, no magic in it at all, just sadness)
The Mother in Law
The Goose Girl
The Little Old Man (origin of apes!)
The Willful Child
The Boy Who Went Forth to Learn How to Shudder
Fowler’s Fowl
Allerleirauh (just plain weird, really)
Clever Hans
Three Snake Leaves
The Frog Prince (she doesn’t kiss him to make him a prince..)
Mother Hulda (only slightly gruesome, I’ve just always loved the story…)
Dog and Sparrow
Vasilisa the Beautiful
See? Plenty to make another list!
January 6th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Wow. Very creepy stories…But I love them! They are so much more interesting
January 6th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
You could include the tale of Undine. It’s basically the same as The Little Mermaid but Undine is a water nymph.
An old version of Sleeping Beauty I once read ended with Beauty being attacked by the Prince’s parents who were ogres. The prince kills them to save her. There is a website that has many of these stories and variations of them posted but I forget the address.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
awesome list.makes me think that the children of today are rather sissy compared to children who grow up with those tales
January 6th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The Tales of Beedle the Bard!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
That Sleeping Beauty one shocked me the most.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
I want to get my hands chopped off too!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
flibbertigibbet – I have the Grimms fairytale book, but I never realised before that the princess has sex with the frog in the frog prince. In the book it only says that she shares his bed with him…
But I guess that it is a demonstration of the innocence of a childs mind:)
January 6th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Obviously post #88 was NOT composed by me… A) I never apologize… B) I love my lengthy and verbose postings and will never change… C) I dare all KINDS of things… and D) I am the FARTHEST thing from a “dumb shit” that there is.
Clearly one of the bored and deeply unimaginative teenagers who cruise around this site from time to time has, once again, hijacked my username. Seriously, something needs to be done about this. I know I’m not the first one that’s encountered this kind of thing. Surely it can’t be that hard to put a stop to it.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
98. Randall -
i know.
people who use other folks identities to spout off nonsense are subject to some creative housekeeping.
January 6th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Out of curiosity, why were the older “fairy storied” so grimm? And were theyy meant for children or adults ?
January 6th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Cyn: wouldn’t asshole be more appropriate than imposter?
January 6th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
MsMassey: read Randall’s (the real Randall) post. He explains it very well.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
101. Mom424 -
goddamn it woman i was trying to keep it PG! ROFLMFAO
guess i’ve fucking blown it now, eh? but yeah..asshole. asswipe. total waste of protein…etc etc etc
January 6th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Also interesting are stories from “The Pentamerone” by Giambattista Basile. Most of the Grimm and Perrault stories were based on this collection. While not as long or glamorous as the later stories, it’s an interesting read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giambattista_Basile
January 6th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Randall: I have modified the name on that post. If it happens again I will deal with it more fully.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Do you know the musical “Wicked”? It’s the brilliant Steve ondheim take on many of these tales. Many actors approaching this piece are surprised to hear for the first time the part of the Cinderella story where the stepsisters attempt to make the shoes fit by a little elective surgery. The Prince is fooled that the shoe fits, but not the birds! They sing, “Look for the blood within the shoe…” And so the Prince is tipped to the deception, and all is made right, except for the surprised actors saying things like “Ew! Blood in shoe, I never heard of that before. Ew!”
(Wussy actors)
BTW, in the original French-not German- version, the slipper is made of verre= fur. It became corrrupted into Vair= glass, which explains a highly impractical item in any heroine’s closet!:)
January 6th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
s’ok Randall…I think anyone who visits this site on a regular basis knew that wasn’t you.
MsMassey- Randall does explain it well, but I’d like to add on. Fairy tales were written for adults. The most famous authors (although several stores were simply collected, not written) are the Brothers Grimm, Hans C Anderson, and Perrault- all men, but the many of the stories originated with women. They were passed on or written down by women who wanted to break out of the box (beauty and the beast, for example has two early versions, both traceable to french women.) They include generally end with a moral, but it doesn’t necessarily mean the story is meant for a child.
..I’m a dork
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Actually the Pied Piper fairy tale is based on actual events. do a search on The Children’s Crusade. There was a guy who went from village to village recruiting children during the time of the crusades to march to africa (because upon reaching the beaches of Spain, the mediterranian sea would part apparently) to do their own crusade and win. However once he got there the sea did not part and he tried to get a boat instead, the merchants agreed, but instead of taking them for what they planned they took the kids into slavery instead. the children who didnt get on the boats eventually returned to their homes.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
98. Randall: Obviously post #88 was NOT composed by me…
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Oh, Randall, everyone who knows you, knew that wasn’t your post! Your style is distinctive, no one could copy it, not for one sentence. Your friends, and you have many, support you all the way.
Don’t let the little buggers get you down, they aren’t worth the oxygen they take up.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
evacreek I think you might be confusing Wicked for Into The Woods.
Wicked is a companion to the Wizard of Oz, written by Gregory Macguire. The musical is written by Steven Schwartz.
Into the Woods is a mashup of fairy tales written by Steven Sondheim and based on another book….the name of which escapes me.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Wow. This has officially become my favorite list. I knew about Little Red Riding Hood and the Pied Piper, but… Sleeping Beauty? Didn’t see that one coming. What the moral was to that particular tale, I cannot imagine.
January 6th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Im really quite glad ive never heard of No.2! Every version seem to be quite disturbing. I think a film should be made on these.. “Nursery Rhymes For Adults: The Hidden Story.” lol
January 6th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Want a real sick one? Try Donkeyskin aka thousand skins. Love the list! BTW- studied fairy tales in school and Donkeyskin was my favorite! Dont know if that makes me bad or what lol. I always loved the girl with no hands too.
January 6th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
While I was putting this list together I realized that aside from the bad bits, fairy tale lands would have been quite nice to live in – they are a far cry from the big brother ridden societies so many of us inhabit these days!
January 6th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Nice list. Amazing to see all these tales we thought were so cute and sweet really had some hardcore themes to them. A lot of these would make great horror movies. Back in 2000 there was a game made for the PC called American McGee’s Alice, where the story takes place several years after Through the Looking Glass. Alice’s family was killed in a fire and she was the only surviovor. Stricken with guilt for being the only survivor, she is commited to an insane assylum where she has this psychic trip through a demented wonderland. It’s a pretty decent game and a really dark twist on the Alice in Wonderland story. Rumor has it they are going to make a movie based off of it.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
The end of the orignal little mermaid is actually really depressing. and so many of these involve rape or sex. Gross.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Char 112: Stephen Sondheim has written a musical called “Into the Woods” which is very much like like “Fairy Tales for Adults”. In the first half several fairy tales (Cinderella, Little Red Riding Hood, Jack and the Beanstalk and Rapunzel that I can think of) all interweave and are resolved pretty much as (sanitised) standard. In the second half, things go seriously awry, and the whole idea of “happy endings” is questioned. I have seen a video of the Broadway production and also a live performance in Sydney. When the Broadway production was telecast in Australia, the presenter read the quote from Bruno Bettelheim that Rusty supplied at comment 28.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I strongly recommend reading or watching “The Pillowman” by Martin McDonagh. Its a play about a story writer in a totalitarian country who is being interregated for the gruesome content of his fairytales. The stories in it or amazing but quite gruesome indeed.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
such a good list!
for my money, the BEST version of snow white isn’t the original, it’s a short story called “Snow, Glass, Apples” by Neil Gaiman published in 1994.
it’s told from the point of the “wicked” step mother and the “snow white” child has vampiric tendencies. it’s deeply, deeply creepy! you can (and should) read it online here:
http://www.holycow.com/dreaming/stories/snow-glass-apples
it is posted at the above site by permission of the author. if you like it check out his book “Smoke and Mirrors” where this story and many more can be found
January 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
PS Now that I’ve scrolled through the previous comments I see that people have already talked about this. Sorry. Must read comments before posting.
January 6th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
These fairy tales are a moral base to learn from as a child. Most parents would not talk to their children about the issues in these stories so they are an important resource for young minds. I can’t stand the modern sanitised versions! Bring it back!!!
January 6th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
As I am reading a certain list, I always know when I will see “JFrater” at the bottom — The lists are well put together, very interesting and consise.
I especially liked this list.
January 6th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Very entertaining list, well done jfrater!
I couldn’t help but laugh at the Rumpelstiltskin version (morbid sense of humour I know). Talk about one of the all time greatest dummy spits, can you imagine the headlines:
“Strange little gnome creature is so angry that a girl knows his name that he rips himself in half”. He must have been having a REALLY bad day
January 6th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I grew up on the “old” versions of fairy tales–I had Grimm and Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale books, and I loved them. “The Little Mermaid” was one of my favorite stories, and it upset me terribly when I saw the Disney movie. I couldn’t believe they would ruin the story that way.
Now that I’m grown up, I can look at those tales and see the dark and disturbing themes, but as a child I only remember feeling wonder and fascination. I’ve grown up to be a stable, well-adjusted adult, so there must be something to what Randall said.
January 6th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
i know a version of the handless maiden story in which her trials only *start* at losing her hands. like many myths and fairy tales, it’s an allegory for the journey made by our psyches.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Another very entertaining list jfrater ! Are you on some kind of list- making steroids or something? Randall, I appreciated your thoughts on explaining how these types of tales would be appropriate for kids. Thinking back when I was a kid myself I remember horsing around with friends and pretending to do gruesome stuff to each other including things mentioned in some of theses tales without the help of reading them in the first place. So I don’t think any of these versions would have mentally scarred me in the least. Maybe these writers were just giving the kids what they wanted.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I say we all need to reinstate the original stories to tell our kiddies before nighty-night.
You know,… to set them straight.
I was lucky enough to have a book of these goodies that my great grandmother gave me as a child and look at me now!
makes me think of Max and Moritz
still have the original german edition that was passed down.
January 6th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
IIRC, the fairy tale where the evildoer is punished by being drug around in a barrel full of nails is Falada. I second the recommendation of Deerskin for a twisted story, and love Robin McKinley’s novelization of the story.
SurLaLune.com has many great annotated fairy tales, as well as listing variant and modern versions of them.
January 6th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
The Brothers Grimm have a statue of them in Hanau Germany. One of them standing and one of them sitting. It is said that at New Years on Midnight that they switch positions.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Jfrater, if you’re looking to make a second list, The boy who cried wolf would make a good start.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I already knew the Cinderella grossness, but for the rest I was mostly unaware of the awesome original stories.
Sleeping Beauty made me laugh so hard too. Imagine the moment one realises they’ve been raped and had two kids AND wondering what your surroundings are, everything being unfamiliar to the time you knew when you fell asleep.
I’ve been reading for months and this is truly the best list ever. Great work, Listverse!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Before and between my classes this morning I read up about the Grimms and Andersen. The Grimms collected their stories, and tried to maintain the original style of oral tradition. The wiki article doesn’t say so, but Andersen seems to have written his. His seem to be based in cities more than the Grimms, which seem more to rural.
The sanitisation of the Grimms’ stories started even in their own lifetime. As their volumes were reprinted, various changes were made, including changing several mothers into step-mothers.
January 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Also, what about The Red Shoes? I remember my grandmother giving me that book as a child but scribbling out “cut off her feet” with “removed the shoes.”
January 6th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Very good list! I’ve always loved fairy tales. I am a very moralistic person and I think part of the reason is due to reading or having fairy tales read to me as a child. Times have changed so much. Parents try to protect their children from the horrific things that make up fairy tales, but look around us. It seems to be most of those kids that are clueless, getting into trouble, and just want to lie around and do nothing. The kids these days couldn’t handle being kids like we were when I was growing up. Not only the fairy tales!
January 6th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Why in the world does Rumpelstinskin WANT a baby anyway?..
That has always confused me a bit… Does he want to eat it?…
January 6th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I must say… Listverse is kicking ass the past few days! Rock on with your bad self, Jamie
Even as a little kid, I thought the Disney movies were lame. You always knew how it would end. I don’t think I’ll be reading these versions to my little ones! Maybe when they are older
When I was growing up, we had a very old fairy tale book. I remember a story about a girl’s finger being cut off because the robbers couldn’t get her ring off. Anyone know what it might be?
January 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I’ve actually heard of all of them except the Girl Without Hands. I’ve even heard most of the original endings! I have to ask, what the hell was wrong with Hans Christian Andersen?! Here’s a guy who has cool ideas for stories, then tears the readers’ hearts out at the end. The Little Match Girl freezes to death, the Little Mermaid dies miserably, the toy soldier melts in the fire. Somebody wasn’t held enough as a baby or something!
January 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
wicked list
January 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Awesome list once again Jamie! I absolutely love the Disney-fied versions (sorry Randall!) but the darker side of me really likes the gruesome “original” versions as well. I bought a book of “The Original Grimm’s Fairy Tales” or something a few years ago, and read through some of it, but not all, and now it’s packed up in a box somewhere, I’ll have to find it.
@ Copperdragon’s comment way back near the top- The book “Wicked” by Gregory Maguire and the musical adapted from that book are both amazing. Your question “What do you think of the book & play…” can’t be answered together though, since the two are so incredibly different from one another. I’ve read the book once, seen the musical twice in San Francisco, and have the soundtrack on my ipod. The play is more upbeat, fun & silly at times, cheerful, with a happy ending believe it or not! The book is more disturbing & morbid. Again, both amazing.
Gregory Maguire has actually written a few books that are a different perspective or different version of well-known stories. There is a sequel to Wicked called Son of a Witch, then there’s Mirror, Mirror (based on Snow White), and Confessions of an Ugly Stepsister (based on Cinderella of course). He’s got some other books out as well, but these are the only ones I’ve read.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Great list. “Grimm’s Grimmest” might be one of the books some people have been referring to. Morbid, awesome stuff.
http://www.amazon.com/Grimms-Grimmest-Wilhelm-Grimm/dp/0811850463
January 7th, 2009 at 1:00 am
JFrater, as a possible future list you could do all the different versions of worldwide Cinderella stories. I’m a big fan of fairy tales, especially Cinderella, are there are just so many.
The story of Vasilissa the Beautiful and Baba Yaga, from Russia, with her talking doll.
Catskinella, a story told in the black communities of the 19th century, about a girl who in trying to get out of a marriage she does not want, asks for a dress made from the skin of a single cat.
The Chinese version about the beautiful Yeh-Shen, who has no fairy godmother, but the bones of her only friend, a magic fish.
The story of the Many Furred Creature, where the kings daughter refuses to be married except to the someone she cares for, so she blackens her face with soot, and works in the kitchens, only to come out to three balls in her three dresses, one like the moon, one like the stars, and one like the sun.
There are many different versions of that one including Allerleirauh, Northvegr, and in a way Catskinella, which I mentioned above.
The african story of Mufaro’s Beautiful Daughters, about two sisters, one sweet and kind, the other mean and selfish who are called before the king for him to marry one of them.
Or the story of Nomi and the Magic Fish, a Zulu girl starved by her stepmother, is given food by a magical fish. The stepmother finds out, and kills the fish. The bones of the fish tell her to throw them into the chiefs garden, who promptly decrees that he will marry the girl who can pick them up. Nomi is the only one who can.
Or of Rhodopis, a story written by Strabo two thousand years ago. An eagle steals her sandal and drops it in the lap of the king, who thinks it’s beautiful and decides to marry the owner.
And there is the story Benizara and Kakezara of the Japanese girl who uses magic and her brains to win over a noblemans heart, not only with her beauty but also her superb poetry.
Even the story of the Indian boy who cares for a cow after his father dies and brother leaves, and is rewarded with beautiful golden hair, of which a princess finds a strand of and searches to marry him, in How the Cowherd Found a Bride.
I’m sure you can find many more, but they are all pretty fantastic, and I would love to see a compilation of them
January 7th, 2009 at 1:01 am
Also, loved this list. So much.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:20 am
This is a great list, however, I think the actual origins (when known) should be cited for all of them and the descriptions could be a bit more accurate rather than just a cut and paste from a wikipedia article.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
It doesn’t look like anyone’s mentioned the story of Rapunzel yet – I can’t remember the details, but it involves a prince being blinded by thorns and Rapunzel being banished to the desert while pregnant. Pretty fucked up.
Also, instead of watching the musical Wicked, which is decent but not quite brilliant, the musical Into the Woods by Sondheim interweaves many of the original fairytales as an allegory for the complexities of the human condition.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Idreno: there is not a single line copied and pasted from wikipedia in this article – it is completely original. But thanks for presuming the worst – always a pleasant trait in a person.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:47 am
Randall- i looked at your post at i think #72 and i gotta say, that is one of the best explanations for why something is the way it is on the site. in this case, why the storys have been so watered down. good job even though i understood maybe 75 to 80% of the words you used. good job.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:48 am
I haven’t been on this site for some time now, and gosh how I’ve missed it. Jfrater, this is now one of my favorite lists, I really enjoyed it. My grandma died on Sunday so I need to escape my thoughts and this helped. Thanks.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:51 am
warningdontreadthis: welcome back! I am sorry to hear about your grandmother – you have my condolences.
January 7th, 2009 at 1:53 am
jfrater- victoria on 141 has a good idea for a list
January 7th, 2009 at 2:02 am
oh wow . . this is why i love this site
. . haha so gruesome i love it!
January 7th, 2009 at 2:07 am
Thank you, just keep making great lists and I’m sure to make it
January 7th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Warningdontreadthis: Welcome back and I to am sorry for your loss.
Last time I visited this list(about 24 hrs ago) there were only 9 entries, glad to see you found a tenth!
January 7th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Wow, great list I’m always fond of your rather morbid lists!:D In retrospect it’s a little frightening that since I wa just a little boy my mother always told me the gruesome version of Cinderella…No wonder I didn’t understand a thing when I saw the disney movie for the first time:P
January 7th, 2009 at 3:51 am
Re: the fur vs. glass slipper in Cinderella, (106.evacreek) I always heard that the ‘fur slipper’ was a euphemism… ?
January 7th, 2009 at 4:13 am
I heard that her glass slippers were actually squirrel fur slippers.
January 7th, 2009 at 5:35 am
From out of the ten listed, I knew 8.
(the exceptions are Rumpeltstiltskin and The Handless Girl)
January 7th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Hungarian cartoon films are several times better than any of the Disney productions.
I recommend you them.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Wow this is awesome!!
I didn’t know anything bout this!!!
January 7th, 2009 at 6:47 am
how about Shrek (the original book and the first movie)
Great mashup of fairytale creatures and stories. Definitely designed for adults.
January 7th, 2009 at 6:55 am
ligeia – I don´t know if anyone has mentioned this book, but I found it a flea market. It´s called ´The Classic Fairy Tales´ by Iona and Peter Opie. It´s awesome. It has most of the above tales plus histories of the stories. The original tales are written in the english language of the time, which is also fascinating.
Great list!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:51 am
anybody watch “Pan’s Labyrinth”? not exactly a Grimm’s Fairy Tale, but a modern, adult fairy tale anyways. What I loved best about this movie is that it shows the world of a child’ imagination… being used to overcome the hardships & uncertainties, cruelties and fear of normal life during war…
rtr
p.s. I can remember a Japanese fairy tale I read years ago about ‘fox maidens’, or women who are fox spirits by day and beautiful maidens by night…that seduced young men…stole their souls & strength… i think they are called kitsune…
January 7th, 2009 at 7:59 am
cass: thanks! that sounds perfect, I’ll have to order it in my local bookshop.
ringtailroxy: I love that film, the end always brings a tear to my eye, its so sad, but also happy.
January 7th, 2009 at 8:27 am
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January 7th, 2009 at 9:08 am
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The products of Listverse are worth to steal
it’s a kind of acknowledgement…
January 7th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Wow, thats pretty creepy, espacially Sleeping Beauty and Hansel and Gretel!
Although, I must say, I have never even heard of The girl without hands…..
January 7th, 2009 at 10:54 am
*especially. (I CAN spell, I swear)
January 7th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I had a yellow book once called Grimms Faerie tales… alot of the tales in their are more along the lines of the original, I remember the cinderella oneand such. Though the one I remember the most was blue light about an old soldier who smokes a magic pipe. He gets thrown in prison and on the day of his execution he asks for one last puff and the whole town is slaughtered….some scaryness.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
119. lo:…http://www.holycow.com/dreamin…..ass-apples…
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If that isn’t one of the more macabre and gruesome tales I’ve ever read, I don’t know what is!
Thank you for a truly interesting, and twisted, story.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
The easiest way to avoid identity theft on a forum is to not allow anonymous postings. Only registered users can post and then Randall’s posts are ALWAYS Randall, unless his wife figures out his sign-in password and posts for him. It also stops most immature postings that do nothing but insult. For those registrants who do abuse the posting system, you ban their IP number.
Most forums on the web are handled this way.
January 7th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Skydiver: Jamie has been pretty adamant in the past about allowing people to post without registering, it has allowed tons of people to post who otherwise wouldn’t have bothered registering. Some of these people post once or twice on a list, never to return, some end up registering & becoming “regulars.”
They do have the ability to do an IP ban, even without us being registered. It has been done before.
January 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
ueah, how embarrassing, don’t know if it was a senior moment or a simple brain fart, but I did mean to say Into the Woods, not Wicked. Thank you Callie.
And “fur slipper” might,indeed, be a euphemism for,um,something else furry. That appeals to my admittedly dirty mind, and conjures images of Walt Disney rotating like a top!
January 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
If anyone enjoyed reading these you should consider purchasing the Grimms Fairytales book… It is filled with many of the popular fairy tales (like Cinderella) which were originally written by the Grimm brothers. Might I add that some stories are pretty gruesome! BUT TOTALLY AWESOME
My mom used to read them to me when I was little… haha
January 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Okay, so two of my most remembered fairy tales aren’t even mentioned. “Bluebeard” is the story of a man who gets married and then skins and eats his wives, or tortures them in some other way. When his latest wife finds out, she manages to escape with help from her family. Although I think there is a version where Bluebeard eats her too. In “King Thrushbeard” a princess refuses all her suitors because there is something wrong with them, even if it’s completely arbitrary, like not liking a guy’s facial hair. Finally her daddy gets fed up and commands her to marry the next man who walks through the door. It’s a peasant, and once they’re married and happily installed in his shack, he sets about some pretty horrendous physical and mental abuse, all on the premise of teaching her a lesson. Of course, in the end, it turns out that she’s married the guy who’s facial hair she didn’t like
Another that I remember was “Faithful John”, where the king’s faithful servant, John, saves the king’s life twice and the life of the queen once. What does he get for his trouble? He gets turned into stone. Well, somehow, his statue gets anthropomophized, and he tells the king that if he would like to get his old Faithful John back, all he has to do is cut his twin boys in half and smear the blood on he statue. And what does the king do? Cuts his boys in half and smears the blood on the statue, of course. As if that wasn’t enough, John (who apparently has magic powers now) ressurects the children, but says that now they must test the wife. So they stick the kids in a trunk and torture the wife when she comes home by telling her that the king killed his sons to bring back John. And the wife says, “Oh, that’s nice. Good to see you John, hope you’ve been well. Can I see my kid’s bodies now?” So then they tell her that it was a test and that she got it right and the kids are shown to her (still in the trunk) and does that seem wrong to anyone else?
Also, to the poster who asked about the girl who gets her finger cut off–I think you’re referring to eiher “The Seven Swans” or “The Seven Ravens”, which are pretty much the same story. It’s about a sister living with her seven brothers in a hut in the woods, and while they’re out, some robbers come in and try to rob them. Either she hides, or the ring she’s wearing makes her invisible, or something, but in anycase, the robbers don’t see her. And for some reason, the robbers have a witch with them. So when the brothers get home, they get turned into the birds of the title, and now the sister has to find a way to save them. She does, and I don’t remember all the details, it’s been a while, but eventually, in order to get into heaven and get their cure, she has to cut off the finger with the ring on it to use as a key. Which doesn’t quite make sense, why can’t she just stick her finger in the lock still attatched to her body? But whatever.
January 7th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
I remember reading a snow white picture book-all the characters were dogs and in the end the queen was made to dance on hot coals until she died! Good, wholesome, traumatizing times!
January 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
168. segue-
i’m so glad you liked gaiman’s “snow, glass, apples.” i have the book and was so pleased to find it legitimately posted online.
it’s such a haunting interpretation of “snow white” (shivers, thinking about it)
here’s the link again, if anyone wants it without scrolling up.
http://www.holycow.com/dreaming/stories/snow-glass-apples
(and i DO realize that it coming up abbreviated “dreamin…….ass-apples…” is pretty fantastic
)
January 7th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
In psychology and psychiatry it is a common place that childhood traumas can ruin one’s personality for his entire life.
January 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
The “moral” of these stories are the moral of the Middle Ages!
January 7th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
While stationed in Germany, I was able to follow most of the fairy tale trail.
It was quite worthwhile.
http://www.germany-tourism.de/ENG/destination_germany/master_tlfstrasse-id14.htm?cc_lang=
January 7th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
I wanna see sources.
*edited due to excessive use of capitalization in violation of FAQ*
January 7th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
hey i think there may also be some truth behind the pied piper of hamelin if you research about the childrens crusades. sounds like it could be a similar story. also read sylvia by bryce courtney i know its only a story but it gives you a different perspective!
January 7th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
169. Skydiver -
this comment brings up an oft mentioned topic that is based on a misunderstanding. this is not a forum platform. it is a blog platform that allows for public commenting. and yes, to most people that means absolutely nothing. but it is a substantive difference when it comes to what can and can not be done in terms of coding for commentors..registered or not..and selection of usernames. there are limitations to a blog platform. and yes, in extreme instances an IP can be banned..by J.. but until such time as this site’s platform is upgraded to allow for more ’social site’ bells and whistles ..your best bet to protect yourself is keep an eye on comments. post a refutation to a comment attributed to your selected username. if it gets outa hand..contact J to ban the IP. or let me know and comments can be edited to get established usernames to jive w/ the long standing IP address originally associated w/ that username.
i would encourage new commentors to be as original as possible in the selection of their username…we have an Anon who is well established member of our commenting community. if you’ll take some time to review previous comments you’ll find many names repeated..these are established community members whose usernames can be traced to a particular IP. and yes, i’m more than familiar w/ most of them by now. i can look at a username and its IP and i know if its ‘the real McCoy’ or the real Anon. or whoever.
anyway…for now..just watch the comments. if something comes up let an admin or J know there’s a problem and it’ll be fixed.
just consider it a part of the site’s growing pains. i’m hoping in time there’ll be revenue enough to warrant a total site overhaul and upgrade so that community members can ‘lock in’ their established usernames/identities and all the other bells and whistles you see at the subscription websites or the ones that have some serious revenue to support that kinda thing.
but hey, for a free site where you just have to put up w/ a few ads and its basically a one man operation w/ a coupla helpers on the side…..you can’t beat Listverse for content or community.
January 8th, 2009 at 1:32 am
According the the wiki article, one of the Grim Brothers married the woman who’d told them the Little Red Riding Hood story.
January 8th, 2009 at 8:25 am
In the version of Little Mermaid that I’m familiar with, the mermaid did make a deal with an evil witch for legs, but she didn’t trade her voice. Instead she got her feet, but walking on them were like walking on a thousand knives-excrutiatingly painful! And that was how she had to live out the rest of her days.
January 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Just two things, thought you might be interested to know that in the original Cinderella the slippers were made of squirrel fur, people just think it’s glass because of a mistranslation and the other thing is that Ring-a-Rosie was around before the plague/Black Death so it probably wasn’t about that.
January 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
I dont know if its been posted yet. Although its not a fairy tale only a nursery rhyme. I believe “Ring around the Rosy” is based on the Bubonic Plague
January 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I was disappointed with myself because I thought I knew at least all the famous fairy tales. In this list, I know all stories except for “the girl without hands.” I have to read this one.
Anyway, I love this list!!
January 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Well I had a happy childhood with my fairy tale books and I intend to keep it that way with my kids. Interesting though…
January 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
nice list though i had never heard of a story about a girl with no hands. of course fairy tales were more scary and grusome back then as they were meant to scare kids and warn them about rapists and stuff rather then entertain like they are today.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
mines not really a fairy tale, but a nursery rhyme…
Ring Around the Rosie is actually based on black-plague-filled Europe. “Ring around the rosie” refers to the ring around the sores on their skin, “pocket full of posies” refers to the fact that people kept things like posies and garlic in their pockets so they could pull it out and smell it instead of the death all around, “ashes, ashes, we all fall down” refers to them burning the bodies and either the ashes falling or just the kids falling, due to being dead.
January 8th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
aww Rolo got to it before me, but I elaborated on the subject…
January 8th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
One of my favorite lists (: But I think the peid piper or sleeping beauty should be at the top. Rather crazy :/
Didn’t the little mermaid’s sisters cut off their hair and go to the sea witch to attain the dagger? Hmmm.
I hope you make a sequel to this one (:
January 8th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
“Gingerbread Man” and “Puss in Boots” also. I have a book at home with all the old endings. Im going to go home and reread these. And Hansel and Gretal did use stones and then breadcrumbs which were eaten by birds. They were lost and stumbled upon the witches house made of gingerbread and candy.
January 8th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Just so everyone knows, the ring around the rosie song is a common misconception. It does not describe the symptoms of the bubonic plague, as the song has it’s orignis about 60 years after the plague ended.
January 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
If you want to read some of the older darker fairy tales, there is a book out there called Grim’s Grimmest. Warning: they are not your Disney stories
January 8th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
hahaha. it is so wonderful i cant believe perhaps…….. but the most i want was the sleeping beauty. the girl very beautiful just like me beautiful but simple……………….
January 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Great list, but at the risk of sounding pedantic Charles Perrault, Jacob and Willhelm Grimm, Hans Andersen et al didn’t write the ‘original’ versions of any of their stories. They were all collectors of folk tales in their respective countries and with each story having a myriad variations homogenised them in their collections. But I still enjoyed your list.
January 8th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Alice in Wonderland is supposed to be Alice all high(form smoking or something) and is a psycho wielding a knife.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:09 am
actually, alice in wonderland/through the looking glass (which i love, love, love, both the books and films) is about politics. boring but true. i’m glad i learned the story when i was too little to care about politics, it’s a more enchanting vision that way.
January 9th, 2009 at 1:19 am
wow!
didn’t know any of them.
but srsly.
i think sleeping beauty was the worst.
January 9th, 2009 at 3:23 am
In the original Little Mermaid it is true that she pays for her leg by having every step fell like she is stepping on knives.
The moral in the story actually is that children shlould be kind to their parents. When the Little Mermaid is turn into a “daughter of the air” she is told that she has to wait 300 years before she is allowed into heaven, but if she can find a child that is kind to her/his parents a year will be cut firm her sentences, on the other hand is a child is bad to her/his parents a year will be added to the sentences….
January 9th, 2009 at 3:30 am
167. Nixx, the fairytale you remember is The Tinder-Box, a soldier get a migic tinder-box from a witch – by cutting of her head – , with the tinder-box he can summon three huge dogs. He gets the dog bring the princess to him in the nights when she is sleeping, she just remember having stange dreams about a soldier kissing her – who knows what else he was doing to the sleeping princess! When he is discovered he is sentenced to be hanged, but he is granted one last wish. He asked to be allowed to smoke a cigar, and with the tinder-box he summons the three dog who kills the king, queen and all the king’s soldier. The soldier makes himself king and makes the princess marry him!
January 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I’m being picky I know, as I loved the list and all the comments and additional links provided, but I think there might be a mistake in this paragraph under Sleeping Beauty. Its it meant to say ‘In the santised Sleep Beauty’ instead of ‘In the original…”?
Other than that, fantastic! Got to prefer the originals to the Disney versions, no cheesy singing for a start!!
January 9th, 2009 at 9:44 am
ARGH… Websense blocked the Gaiman’s “snow, glass, apples” link! I hate that I cant not work while I´m at work!
January 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am
203. GTT :…I hate that I cant not work while I´m at work!
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And that’s why they call it “work”. Otherwise, they’d call it play, and everyone would want to do it.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:07 am
Great list! and as recommended I’m going to have to get my hands on that snow white spin off mirror,mirror!
There is a fairy tale about 7 gentlemen who come to town and steal everyone’s voices. They run through the town by night cutting out people’s hearts while they are wide awake and screaming the whole time. They all die when this girl screams. There is an episode of Buffy The Vampire Slayer (yes I’m obsessed with that show, so what?) Called Hush that is a creep-taculer representation of it. It’s chillingly amazing.
January 10th, 2009 at 12:09 am
P.S. I don’t think I’ve ever heard that version of sleeping beauty before, let me be not the first…nor I’m sure the last the say,eeeaaaaagh, GROSS!
January 10th, 2009 at 4:39 am
whoa to sleeping beauty. I think that’s the best one, imagine waking up to found out you have been raped and you’re a mother of two. >_
January 11th, 2009 at 7:22 am
38. Eve – as has been mentioned before, ive gotten to know the hansel and gretel story exactly as recalled by Niels Toft.
also, concerning the fairy-tale origin issue, ive once read a very interesting book by Hans Traxler (the german version is called “Die Wahrheit über Hänsel und Gretel”, which roughly translates to “the truth about hansel and gretel”) in which he points out a court case file of around the time and place the Grimm brothers very likely had access to. According to this, the siblings were adults who tried to steal the gingerbread recipe of an old lady who lived in the woods. Since she didnt want to give them the recipe (it was the best gingerbread around, and hansel and gretel were also connected to a bakery), they first threatened and then really killed her. Ironically, they never found the recipe and were put on trial for murder afterwards.
Traxler went to the place where the story is supposedly set and found out that the landmarks can only be true for people taller than the children were supposed to be, discovered the home of the “witch” and even found a piece of paper that could have been the recipe hidden away, alongside some human bones (cant quite recall if it was in the oven).
January 11th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
F^@# your dianetics.org advertising. F^@# $cientology.
Sorry, but your site might be quite interesting, the taint of L. Ron’s mafia has ruined it for me. Choose your advertisers with care or not, none of my business.
But F^@# that noise.
January 11th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
no no no no (209): can you tell me where the ad appeared and the address it linked to? I don’t pick the advertisers – I get no say – but I can block ones I don’t approve of – and if you look at the list archives you will see that I do not approve of scientology. If you tell me where it was I can ensure it stops appearing.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I’m very surprised that The Juniper Tree is not mentioned here. There is scarcely a more gruesome fairy tale. There is serious child abuse, leading to a murder by (of course) the evil stepmother, then the murdered boy gets revenge after his reincarnation as a bird by dropping a millstone on his evil stepmother. It’s some pretty grotesque stuff.
January 11th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
here’s a link to it.
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/grimm047.html
January 11th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Loved this list! I took a course on Childen’s Literature in my third year and read all of these gruesome fairy tales. In the version of Little Red Riding Hood that we discussed, the girl gets into bed with the wolf and then is “devoured,” with the moral being don’t get into bed with random bad-ass men. Or you will get raped. Or eaten hahaha love it.
January 12th, 2009 at 1:37 am
I have a book called Young Years, which has most, if not all, of the stories mentioned in the original list and in the comments. My mom found three copies on eBay, so I’m guessing they are still out there. It has many, many in it that are not mentioned here, as well as poems and Aesop’s fables (which I LOVE). I also have a book my mom gave me when I was a kid that’s all Grimms’ tales. It has The Goose Girl, which is the one with Falada. Falada was a talking horse, not the main character.
I knew about the stepmother in her red-hot shoes, the sisters mangling themselves trying to get a man, and Rumplestiltskin. There are also a lot of Giant stories out there that are pretty gruesome. All the cannibalism, etc. Jack the Giant Killer was always one of my favorites.
January 12th, 2009 at 2:10 am
what about beauty and the beast?
in the old one, “Beauty’s” (main character)father was going on a trip over seas. he asked is three daughters what they wanted.
the two older sisters wanted dresses and jewelry of the finest.the littlest wanted just a simple rose.
When the man set off he had to travel through the woods to get to the docks, but a pack of wolves attacked and made the man lost. That’s when he found the castle.
he knocked on the heavy door and he was let in. no one was there though… it seemed like everything was set up just for him. He helped himself to the food on the diner table. he claimed he repay the service… he found a bath ready and a bed all warmed up for him.
when morning hit he woke up and decided to try and find the people who made everything for him. he checked the kitchen, diner and the living quarters but found no one. so he tried out side and stumbled into a massive garden full of the most beautiful flowers a man could see.
Since the mans ship probably left dock with out him he thought he could at least bring his youngest daughter her rose. But when he cut the rose the beast came out and attacked him.
“what have you done to my garden! why did you do I gave you everything a meal! a bath! a place to rest!”
the man speechless at the site of the ugly beast all he could do is studder the words ‘I am truly sorry. I only wanted to give my daughter this rose.’
the beast touched by his apology he decided not to kill him instead he gave him a deal. he was to go back to his daughter and bring her here as his prisoner.
the man thinking of his other daughters agreed. the beast sent him back on the trip through the forest back to town.
When the man returned the eldest daughters got angry that they did not receive the gifts they wanted. even when the father told his daughters everything.
“well I’m not going”
“me either.” said the older sisters.
“Then I have no choice, I will have to go” the youngest said.
the father tried to convince her to stay here but she agreed to do what her father promised.
Her father lead the way back to the castle where the beast waited. they said their good byes as the beast loaded a cart for the man. and then “beauty” was left with the beast.
Through the months the beast tried and tried to woo the girl but what ever he did it was the exact opposite of what she wanted. he gave her slaves, jewelry, dresses, and even the fanciest bed room. but all she wanted was to stay in the garden and read.
years past and the beast straighten up and watched what she liked. Beauty began to fall in love with him for his kindness, for looks didn’t matter for her. when they had their wedding the witch who casted the spell on the beast lifted the curse for someone could actually love a beast. but instead casted a spell on her two sisters. they were to be turned to stone and watch their sisters unselfish love forever.
I guess the only difference really is that the beast didn’t have a temper and the whole sister thing…
January 12th, 2009 at 2:15 am
Shadow 83: I agree, Neil Gaiman’s rendition “Snow, Glass, Apples” is a refreshing, yet disturbing version of Snow White with the tables turned. I loved it. As i started reading it, i noticed the similarities. When I reached the main body of the story, my terror grew with every word, leading to disbelief and a new-found respect for the author. Really intense. I found a free version at:
http://nowhereman.alfaspace.net/texts/fiction/gaiman.html
January 12th, 2009 at 9:09 am
seriously!! rape here, rape there! i’m never gonna let anyone say that modern movies and stories are perverted and that before it was much betterXDXD
January 12th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Love list`s like these good job JF.
January 12th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
There’s some gruesomeness (is that a word?) in Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves. When the thieves are all waiting, late at night, to break into the merchant’s house, they are in big drums that are for oil. They are all killed when boiling oil is poured into the drums on them. That’s pretty nasty… Lots of death in that story, too.
January 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Here’s the link for Snow,Glass and Apples. It’s great but chilling and I love vampire tales. http://www.holycow.com/dreaming/stories/snow-glass-apples
January 13th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Dude even before reading this list I’ve always questioned these stories like really a little girl’s walking through a forest to see her grandmother and she’s being followed by a wolf who eats the grandmother?! And Jack and Jill story where one of them cracks their head open? Like wow even without their original tales being told you can still see how some of these stories are pretty gruesome!
January 13th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I’ve always thought the Pied Piper was a joke – like, satirizing the (then) contemporary treatment of children. I know that many children were considered like pests until they grew older and useful, so it isn’t unlikely that this was like a medieval New York Times comic — get rid of our pests! (Out the children go).
Could also be the plague and how children suffered the worst – but everyone knows that reference.
January 13th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Love the list and all of these stories…I grew up with The Little Mermaid Anime from the 70’s as one of my favorites. It really stays with the Hans Christian story, knife, foam and all. As far as the Girl Without Hands, this seems really similar to the plot of Shakespeare’s “Titus Andronicus” where Titus’ daughter is raped by her husband’s brother who then cuts off her hands and tongue.
January 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Just posting to say that this list was mentioned in a NY Times blog…
http://parenting.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/12/are-fairytales-to-scary-for-children/?hp
It was cool to see the site elsewhere!
January 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
224. Joss -
thanks for the headsup. and yes, it is cool when LV is mentioned elsewhere…now we can add NYT to the list.
January 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Joss: many thanks for pointing that out – it is great indeed!
January 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Congratulations, Jamie! That’s the kind of advert that brings new people to the site.
January 14th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I read the original version of the little mermaid growing up in china.
This is an awesome list.
Jamie, I hope you get a chance to take a look at this some day:
forthewicked.net
It’s a doujinshi of fairytales and I highly recommend it.
January 15th, 2009 at 12:38 am
Okay, you want to hear gruesome? There’s a version of snow white called “snow, glass, apples”
in this tale, the queen narrates the story. her daughter snow white is a parasitic child that feeds on blood, eventually killing her father, the king, from seducing him and drawing blood from his genitals. eventually, the queen banishes her daughter to the woods where she seduces travelers and drinks their blood. finally the queen goes to her daughter and tears her heart out and leaves the body. The prince visits the queen and she tries to have sex with him but is unable to lie cold and motionless like he wants (he’s a necropheliac) so he leaves, finds snow white, has sex with her body, takes her heart from the queen, revives snow white and then they burn the queen alive.
…yup
January 15th, 2009 at 1:10 am
this is SICK (in the bad way)
good stories though
January 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
At least sleeping beauty didn’t have to go through the memory of the ordeal of childbirth!
January 15th, 2009 at 9:18 am
this is a lot like the russian fairytales such as father frost where the evil step sister is frozen to death and vasalisa (sp?) the beautiful where the evil step-mother and sisters are burnt to the ground.
January 16th, 2009 at 3:26 am
this is an interesting list, just browsing through the comments, i can’t believe only one other person mentioned the red shoes. i remember the snow white one and several others, also a version of red riding hood where she and her grandmother were cut out of the wolfs stomach, and 89. copperdragon have you ever read return to oz? it is really quite creepy, i recall something about dorothy undergoing electroshock therapy after her first trip has left her not quite the same, then there’s the wheeled monkeys (different from the winged ones), and the desert separating oz from the rest of the world, anything coming into contact with it disintegrating into sand, the scarecrow was over thrown by an army of girls who fight with knitting needles, and the true heir to the emerald city, a princess, was hidden from the witches transformed into a boy, oh and then there is another witch who turns the inhabitants of the cities to stone and cuts off the pretty girls heads, keeping them alive with a magic dust so that she can wear them in place of her own. she intends to take dorothy s head, but dorothy escapes by strapping a moose head and palm fronds for wings to the sofa and bringing it to life with the dust, (that the witch keeps hidden with her original head), those are the highlights as i can remember them any way, there was a film version, but it writes out elements of the rebellion and the princess turned into a boy thing, and the giant talking bug…
also confessions of an ugly step sister by gregory maguire, (also wrote wicked and mirror mirror) an interesting take on the cinderella story, it revolves around the story of one of the sisters, who befriends cinderella when they come to work in her household before her mother dies, the cinderella character is mildly sociopathic and traumatised at a young age by a kidnapping,and the stepsister also fills the disney role of the fairy godmother in assisting cinderella attend the ball, because she doesn’t really want to marry the prince. The book is based on the theme of kinds of beauty, and aesthetic beauty as a curse, definitely worth reading
January 16th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
the only ones i didn’t know was the girl without hands and sleeping beauty. I love knowing the darker side to tales.
January 17th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
There’s the origins of the song entitled “London Brodge Is Falling Down” which is based upon the fact that people were killed and added into the concrete for good luck. (In real life).
January 17th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m still wondering about that Sleeping Beauty version. All the other stories seem to have some point or moral, but the Sleeping Beauty version is just…sick and rather silly when you think about it. Granted, most fairy tales are, but the Sleeping Beauty story goes beyond silliness.
January 17th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I didn’t know about the one boy who didn’t drown in the Pied Piper story. Its interesting because I read this amazing fantasy book awhile ago that was obviously inspired by The pied piper. The main character is a girl who can’t remember who she is for a long time. Her early story is the story of the Pied Piper. The town, the rats, and the lame boy. Only in this book’s version the children are led through a gate into The land of the Fae, and the main character is the one child who doesn’t get led away.
January 18th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Great List, Good work.
Still, I have to emphasize the fact that DrWalpurgis already mentioned: There are rarely “orignal” formes of these tales. Their sources lie in the realm of “oral history” (so to speak). From Basile to Grimm and Disney – these are mere versions of the topoi. Interesting though is to think about the society that favours this-or-that version: childish or adult-gruesome… Have the versions in the 17th century for example been addressed to kids anyway? Or were the kids already have-grown men? Or, or…
January 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
OMG…
Wow, that one with Sleeping Beauty was freakky..
ew.
January 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 am
Amazing revelations!! I was looking for something else but stumbled upon this website and it was interesting for sure. Though I would like to point out that the written pieces need to be edited. Rest alls good.
January 26th, 2009 at 11:37 am
I’ve just finished reading an interesting (and highly entertaining) version of the 3 pigs… where there were 3 wolves, and one big BAD pig! he’s a serious badass – sledgehammers their house of bricks, uses a pneumatic drill to destroy their house of concrete, and dynamites their house of armour plating. Then the 3 little wolves build a house of flowers. The big bad pig takes a breath to huff and puff this house down, but the scent takes his breath away and his “heart becomes tender and he realises how bad he’s been, so he sings and dances the tarantella”. The wolves ask him to join them in their games of pig-pog and piggy in the middle, they all become friends and ….
LIVE HAPPILY EVER AFTER! *SIGH*
January 26th, 2009 at 11:38 am
For a good laugh – Google “politically correct fairy tales”
January 26th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Here in Brazil there is a nursery rhyme that tells the child to sleep fast, because the Cuca (a crocodile-like witch) is coming to get the child, and both the parents are not in the house, working.
January 27th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Genius! Recently did a play based on Alice in Wonderland where the land was an escape for an abused child, it was very dark. I wanted to do something similar with a different fairy tale and make it dark but seems you have done my work for me. Thanks! xD
January 30th, 2009 at 2:44 am
I didn’t predict that Cinderella be in this list!
January 30th, 2009 at 3:07 am
time to tell the little girls who love the Disney Princesses about this! (nah, that’s really mean)
February 8th, 2009 at 1:07 am
I don’t know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but another fairy tale made ‘pc’ is Beauty and the Beast. In the original, Beauty is faced with some rather unpleasant and brutal reminders of Beast’s nature under the curse-at one point she stumbles across Beast covered in blood, tearing into the body of a dead animal.
February 13th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Bit of trivia:
#10 (Pied Piper) is called “De Rattenvanger van Hamelen” in Dutch (“the rats catcher of Hamlin”).
There has been a Dutch show centered around this – I am not sure what it was about, as it was before my time, but its theme song goes like “can you show me the way to Hamlin, sir?” which I always found reeeaaally strange…
February 17th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
loved these, some I knew others I didn’t. But one thing I would like to add about one comment someone made. “Ring around the Rosie” the old nersery rhyme. The true origin of this rhyme arose during the time of The Black Plague. These are the detials that I have come to undersand : each line represents an event of The Plague.
-Ring around the Rosie : a rose red ring develops around the neck.
-Pocket full of Posies : Pedals from the Posie flower were kept in one’s pocket believed to ward off The Plague.
-Ashes, ashes : referring to the ashes falling from the shy from the burning of the dead bodies.
-We all fall down : as to say everyone someone knows falls down dead
I hope you enjoy this tidbit of information!
February 17th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
in the “ashes ashes” part it was ment to be “sky” not “shy” sorry.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:51 am
this is fantastic! and cool♥
February 19th, 2009 at 6:52 am
always reminds me of someone i met♥
March 6th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Actually, the original Snow White says the prince comes across her memorial in the forest. While his comrade is looking for water, he begins to molest her lifeless body. It isnt until he fishes out the remnants of the poison apple out of her mouth that she awkens. Ugh, making out with a dead girl And getting rotten apple in your mouth, yuck.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:08 am
I tried checking the sleeping beauty one but the Briar rose story by Grimm, the origin of sleeping beauty is really a bit more similar to the disney and with a happy ending then the one described here. Which story is the story listed here really referring to?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Rumpelstiltskin : “Needless to say this kills him.”
LOL, that’s all I can say. Well written, haven’t laughed that hard for a while, thanks
April 13th, 2009 at 2:06 am
How about beauty and the beast. In the original story the ‘beauty’ is actually quite a nymphomaniac. She gets tired of having human male partners and desires for kinkier things. She’s heard of this beast and arranges to get lost in the forrest in the hope of finding this beast. She gets found by the beast, whom she seduces into having his way with her, satisfying her like she had never been before.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:07 am
Hence, coining the term ‘beastiality’…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
My vary favorite has to be “Goose Girl”. It has a beheaded talking horse, a talking bloody hankie and one of the most delicious ends for the evil hand-maiden.
My son is taking a lit course. His teacher HATES the disney take on fairy tales. It’s been such fun to rediscover the real stories.
Google in “top 10 gruesome fairy tales”.
Sleep Tight!
Rebecca Dee
May 6th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
JFrater, thanks for the list, I’ve been searching for ages for something like this.
Much prefer non-sanitised versions of fairy tales. Great imagery like dancing in red-hot shoes, and cutting off parts of the feet.
Cheers and thanks again!
S
May 8th, 2009 at 8:35 am
The ide about the fur slipper, comes from france. The french word for fur is the same as the one for glas: Verre. and Fur slipper is indeed an old euphemism for … some other furry thing. That you can slip in to… and try for sice.
and as for the story about rumpelstiltskin, what do you think a stilt of rumpeld skin is? Now imagen THAT being caught, and ripped of…
May 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
The story of Red Riding Hood is to teach girls about not trusting strange men. Men are symbolized as the Big Bad Wolf. It is a very symbolic story. Red Riding Hood wears red and brings red wine. She also puts on red gloves. Gloves and shoes in literature may be symbolic actions of sexual penetration. Red is symbolic of passion or sexuality. Hence the Little Red Riding Hood story is about rape. Red Riding Hood was tricked by the Big Bad Wolf and he “ate her up”.
May 29th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
@linda: I think it was “Sun, Moon, and Talia”
great list..haha
June 6th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Interesting… a small clarification (and I’m sorry if it’s been said before): in the original Cinderella story, they were not “glass” slippers. They were fur slippers from a squirrel. The French word for this type of fur is “VAIR” which sounds like “VERRE”, the French word for glass. I don’t know when the mistake started, but it has stuck ever since…
June 10th, 2009 at 4:45 am
This is one of the best lists I’ve seen on listverse. Thanks to the mystery person that submitted it.
I’ve never heard of the story of “The Girl Without Hands” Interesting and quite disturbing.
June 15th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Definitely one of the best lists on this site!
July 3rd, 2009 at 10:55 am
Juniper Tree. Look that shit up, it’s gruesome. The evil step mom hates her stepson because he’ll get the inheritance not her own daughter. One day she offers him an apple from a big chest in her room, he leans in to retrieve the apple and she slams the chest down on his neck, decapitating him! Grimm brothers were some creepy folk.
July 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I knew 8, 7 and 1.
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
i reccomend a book called
The book of lost things.
“Most evident in this novel is the use of retelling of traditional fairy tales. Anything from Snow White to Rumpelstiltskin is fair game for the author. However, none of the tales are the same as when we last heard them. Snow White is now gluttonous and no longer charming; her dwarves attempting to get rid of her. Little Red Riding Hood is no longer an innocent girl visiting her grandmother, but a seductive temptress who gives birth to the first loup (wolf-human). And figures such as Rumpelstiltskin and Kokopelli serve as the inspiration for the most despicable character – the Crooked Man.”
August 11th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I grew up in china, and I recalled the night time stories my mom used to tell me were very different from the newer disney versions. I remember the version of mermaid my mom used to tell me, the mermaid turned into bubbles. In cinderella, her step sisters did cut the feet in order to wear the glass slippers. In the little red riding hood, however, it was a little different. The hunter saved the grandma from the wolf’s belly and put rocks in the wolf’s belly and sew it up.
August 13th, 2009 at 3:52 am
what ‘lovely’ endings, children will die of heart attack if they see this
http://www.poomdomain.com/
August 13th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I’ve always thought “Fair Rosalinda” was creepy. King falls for girl, set her up as a mistress. Queen finds out and murders her. Minstrel find her body and uses her bones to make an instrument. Plays for the king and queen. Instrument starts to sing in the girls voice and tell about her murder.
And I don’t 5remember the name of it but there is one where the king decides he only wants to marry a girl as pretty as his late queen. So he decides to marry his daughter. She escapes.
Want to read books about Fairy Tales that turns them on their heads, try the “500 Kingdom” series by Mercedes Lackey. Start with the first one “The Fairy Godmother” and go from their.
August 13th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Victoria- The only thing that I have to say is that the stories about the the girl asking for the dresses made out of fur are not Cinderella stories(post 140). The girl ask for the dresses because her father declared that he would not marry anyone unless they were as beautiful as his late wife. Unfortunately for the girl, she’s a dead ringer. She asks for the dresses and the fur cloak to try to get her father to re-think his desire to marry her.
August 14th, 2009 at 12:05 am
How different would Disneyland be if they stuck to the original endings or used some of the other stories?
Can’t imagine kids waiting to get their picture taken with the “Girl with no Hands” also, how would she sign their autograph book?
August 14th, 2009 at 2:37 am
re “The Girl Without Hands” see also the story of Jephthah (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jephthah).
August 14th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I decided to read Pinocchio (full-length old version, NOT Disney) to my son when he was about 7 and was amazed at the brutality in the story. It is basically a warning tale to children about the horrors that will come to them if they disobey their parents. Disney showed Pinocchio getting a little karma for his misdeeds but I remember one section in the book where he is hung in a tree for a year and has his eyes pecked out by crows. There is no subtlety or accompanying moral to the story, just a story to terrorize your kids.
August 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
These have nothing to do with “thinking like children” at all. Fairy tales, legends, and myths are all ancient teaching tales. They’re there for a purpose and sometimes it takes an expert to figure out what the deeper purpose is.
I have heard something about sexual intercourse in fairy tales, but nothing about rape. Just because SB was sleeping, doesn’t mean she was raped — since sleep in mythical terms means something quite different than literally being passed out cold. “Sleeping” until she awoke to a different life, or something like that. So I find it a bit disturbing that the author here has characterized it as ‘rape’. That, I think, would be a Christian overlay. Many of the fairy tales have Christian overlays, and you have to find the ‘bones’ of the story as Clarissa Pinkola Estes puts it – to get what the teaching is about.
The handless maiden in particular – if you want to learn more about that one, and the symbolism of losing your hands (your ability to fend for yourelf, your ability to do things), read “Women Who Run With The Wolves”.
For a better education on the meaning behind and the supreme importance of fairy tales – start reading Joseph Campbell – Flight of the Wild Gander would be a good start.
I read the most horrendous fairy tales of all when I was a kid, and luxuriated in it. Loved it — they were Norwegian Fairy Tales, with all their gruesomeness intact. Kids do not get frightened by “timeless” violence, or violence that has something behind it — a lesson to learn. IE – no, don’t go into the woods alone because there really are human wolves out there. Is anyone going to argue the fact that there are ogres, after reading about Jeffrey Dahlmer/sp, and the beheading of a passenger on a Greyhound bus in Winnipeg? The stories are intended to teach, and intended to awake all the senses to the dangers around, both physical and psychological – as in Bluebeard.
I’ve lost all respect for Sigourney Weaver, for reading The Snow Queen with the omission of Gerda’s drinking the reindeer milk to keep going on her journey. Do not mess with fairy tales, we have lost enough as it is. Hans Christian Andersen’s stories are not true fairy tales in the sense that they didn’t come down from thousands of years of oral repetition, but they still carry the archetypes.
The Handless Maiden, btw – gets her hands back either in silver or gold. Once she has put in her apprenticeship in the forest, and then knows how to handle life. As with the story of Baba Yaga – the girl learns how to feed her intuition (her doll) and then after a trial at the hut of Baba Yaga, she goes home with a flaming skull to light her way. The skull is symbolic for her now psychic awareness, and the fact that her nasty family can no longer manipulate and bully her.
None of these stories were “written”, except Andersen’s and Perreault. They were folk tales that were collected by the Brothers Grimm, who recognized that if someone didn’t do it, they would be lost forever. So they went around to everyone they could find who knew the old stories, and wrote them down. They did not write the stories themselves. As is the case with people who do not read books, their memory is/was prodigious. These stories have been around thousands and thousands of years, and not only that — they are similar all over the world.
According to Joseph Campbell, fairy tales started in India, and then moved, changing with each culture. Arabian stories and Irish stories are the most beautiful. You’ll find versions of most fairy tales in North America as well, “Loki” – “Coyote”, so it’s a human archetype – we’re all made the same way.
August 19th, 2009 at 7:36 am
If you’re a fan of scary fairy tales check out this link. I 1st saw it resting on a table when i was visiting a Scottish castle many years ago, and it immediately caught my eye. Some of the stories are quite disturbing but I find it hilarious!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Struwwelpeter
August 23rd, 2009 at 10:34 am
The Girl with no Hands????
Was this included to see if we were paying attention?
All the rest are classic well known tales, but this one…… never heard of it.
August 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am
the story is great i like the following para
the villagers won’t cough up so the Pied Piper decides to rid the town of children too! In most modern variants, the piper draws the children to a cave out of the town and when the townsfolk finally agree to pay up, he sends them back. In the darker original, the piper leads the children to a river where they all drown (except a lame boy who couldn’t keep up). Some modern scholars say that there are connotations of pedophilia in this fairy tale.
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September 1st, 2009 at 8:23 am
I have the complete Fairy Tales of the Brothers Grimm and all are in original form, I love reading them and I am collection other fairy tales in the original form from around the world.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:17 pm
I’ve been looking and I cant find any references anywhere for the version of sleeping beauty that you have here, where she gets raped by the king and gives birth to kids while asleep. I would be very interested in seeing your source for it. As far as I can tell, the earliest version is by Charles Perrault, and doesn’t contain anything you mentioned. It would be great if you could provide source information for these things, instead of just expecting us to take you at your word.
October 1st, 2009 at 3:59 pm
No Problem. Italo Calvino, Italian Folktales p 485 and 486 ISBN 0-15-645489-0
You can also check this site which is from Iowa State University and features a version of the story from Giambattista Basile and pre dates Perrault by about 60 years.
http://www.public.iastate.edu/~lhagge/sun,moon.htm
October 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
i have most of these fairytales,and i love them. the whole grim/gothic folklore is very appealing
October 28th, 2009 at 1:25 am
Love this list! I wonder how twisted those authors were to come up with such teribble fairytales! Snow White was the worst, followed by the girl who chopped her hands. Great list as usual JFrater!
November 7th, 2009 at 3:52 am
I’m afraid what you wrote is quite incorrect
Try and check Bruno Bettelsheim’s essay ‘The Uses of Enchantment’about the psychoanalitical interpretations of ancient fairy tales: it is really fascinating. By the way, the source is not Perrault, who transformed some of the tales collected by the German brothers Grimm. Well, it’s a long story, I studied it a long time ago at university; sorry for bothering you… Ciao from Italy:)
November 15th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
when I was a little girl my parents didnt like the modern versions and I was given the original’s you didnt mention saturn and his devouring his sons or the beauty and the beast or the pig husband where she had to chop of her limbs
I think my family is weird
November 17th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Ok i heard about a fairy tale and its origin but i cant remember which it was…a girl/woman fell asleep and had a gruesome dream and wrote it as a story and now its been modernized. I cant for the life of me remember where i heard this and which story it is. Anyone know?
Thanks for the list:) I had to send it to my old roommate bc she didn’t know the original Little Red Riding Hood.
November 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
like omgg these tales are awesomeee lol holla on myspace
November 27th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
i love the original fairy tales, does any one know if there is a book that has the original fairy tales in them, i have been trying to find the but i am having a hard time =]
December 4th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Is it me, or the autohors back then are crazy, I MEAN CRAZYYY!?
December 7th, 2009 at 6:08 am
This totally ruins these stories for me…
December 13th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
285 Belle Mort
Mine too. My parents hated disney for some reason. My favourite fairy story ended up being one were the girls horse had its head chopped of and nailed to the castle wall, she still talked to it everyday and it replied, I think it might have been the goose girl or something. no wonder i’m morbid
December 21st, 2009 at 7:51 am
Great! Now I’m scarred for life! Lol!
December 26th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
rupunzul is quite horrible in away
Alice in wonderland is scary too
cnt believe the pied piper, hanzel and gretal and snow white.
isnt snow whites ending meant to be happy not with a wirdo prince tht wants her dead body for sex urrrr
thats wrong
December 26th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Pinochio is scary as ever aswell
the couchman takes the boys and tears them apart wikipedia it.
December 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
In the original, it’s Hansel and Gretel’s MOM who wants to get rid of them, not their stepmother! Personally, I think that’s the most depressing aspect of the whole story.
You should also add “The Red Shoes” By Hans Christian Anderson to the list. It’s a story of a little girl whose shoes are stuck to her feet and cursed to dance till she drops dead as punishment (to teach her humility?) because she insisted on wearing a pair of red shoes to church. Terrible story, especially the part where she CHOPS OFF HER OWN FEET to get rid of the damn shoes. You know what happens next? Her chopped off feet (still with the shoes on) keep on dancing and haunt her by preventing her from entering any church. After that she learns her lesson and dies.
January 17th, 2010 at 2:44 am
Actually the original Little Red Riding Hood does have the grandmother in it. The wolf kills the grandmother and leaves her blood and meat out that little red ends up eating before being killed and eaten herself.
January 29th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Did anyone mention Allerleirauh or Donkeyskin? Basically, the Queen is beautiful. When she dies, she makes the King promise never to remarry unless he finds someone who can fit her clothes or her wedding ring or whatever (they vary) Then he realizes the only one who fits that bill is his daughter. She freaks out, of course, so to buy some time she asks for three impossible dresses–the color of the sun, the moon, and the weather. Then when he gets those, she either asks for a cloak made of thousands of furs or the skin of the King’s gold-peeing donkey (on the grounds he won’t kill the donkey just to get married). When he gets THAT she runs away, makes a prince fall in love with her, etcetera. She ends up marrying a prince and living happily-ever-after.
February 4th, 2010 at 11:49 am
To be honest, most of these stories were told to me as they are written here. The Pipe Rider (he lead them into a cave and made it collapse, as I remember it), The Little Red Riding Hood (It wasn’t really told to me but I did know the original), The Little Mermaid (she had to cut off her tounge to become a human), Snowwhite (where she was woken up by the kiss but did make her stepmother dance in iron shoes so hot they were red), Rumpelstiltskin (where he wanted the baby to eat it), Goldilocks died whenever my mom told the story, Hansel and Gretel did escape from the witch but it was their mom who got them lost in the woods, Cinderella, just as described here, as well. I didn’t know the Sleeping Beauty version and I’ve never heard of the Girl without Hands, but yeah, my mom told me most of the stories like they’re here. Can’t really think of other fairytales right now..
February 4th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Actually, now that I think about it…Isn’t there a story about some girl with 7 brothers who’s brothers are turned into swans and she has to make them sweaters from nettles, her hands and feet all bleed etc. so time runs up but she couldn’t finish the last sweater or vest or w/e it was, so her youngest brother will stay with a wing for his left hand for ever. It’s not as gory but it was rather disturbing when i was little.
February 4th, 2010 at 9:40 pm
Yeah… I’ve heard these before. I loved stories that my Grammy told me and I love finding the origins of things so when I started to look for the original stories I found these, obviously. So I love these versions.
February 5th, 2010 at 9:44 am
CINDERELLAS MY FAVORITE!!!!!!
February 6th, 2010 at 12:40 am
Nice article. My only gripe is that the brothers grim were not the original writers of some of the fairy tales that were listed (in fact they only wrote down tales they were told by women around germany)… Specifically Cinderella, the oldest version that has been found of that one is the chinese one Victoria brought up.