Imagine if the Nazis had bombed New York City the same way they bombed London. Imagine if they had a fleet of aircraft carriers rivaling, at least, Japan’s fleet. Imagine if they fielded a jet fighter in large numbers well before D-Day. Imagine that they had guided missiles, an assault rifle like the AK-47 and (gulp) “the bomb.”
Well, you don’t have to imagine, because Nazi Germany developed many weapons systems and programs that could — COULD — have been game changers had they been completed, completed sooner, or fielded in large numbers. These 10 weapons listed below show just how close-run WWII was. Fortunately, the weapons were never fully developed, built in small numbers or deployed too late to seriously affect the course of the war. Nazi politics, strategic materials shortages, the Allied bombing campaign, production problems and even boneheaded interference from Hitler himself fortunately relegated these systems to mere idle speculation, instead of the tools that won the war for the Nazis. But it boggles the mind to imagine what might have happened if Hitler didn’t go to war in 1939, but waited several more years.
It’s a matter of minor debate concerning how far along the Germans were in developing an atomic bomb before Allied bombers wiped out the efforts for good. But make no mistake, they were trying to build one. Could you imagine Hitler having atomic bombs? America, of course, developed the atomic bomb first—to be used initially against Germany. This is number 10 rather than number one because everything else on this list actually existed, either as prototypes or as operational weapons.
The “Dragon” helicopter was invented some time before the war, but the Germans were the first ones to actually put a whirlybird into production. The Fa-223 was the latest in Focke’s helicopter designs and was a good aircraft. And, for once, interference from Nazi bigwigs actually only played a minor part in production and deployment. Twenty examples were built by the winter of 1942-43 when Allied bombers plastered the only factory making them. Attempts to resume production failed, and resources were directed to more critical systems. But imagine if the Nazis had succeeded in deploying such an aircraft in large numbers before the war turned against them. The clip is from Military Channel’s Top Ten Helicopters. Fascinating fact: When German paratroopers rescued Mussolini in 1943, they were supposed to go in using a Fa 223. But the helicopter developed engine trouble, and the troopers used gliders instead.
In March 1939, Luftwaffe pilot Hans Dieterle achieved an absolute average speed record of 463.9 mph, the last such speed record set before the war. His aircraft was the Heinkel He-100V8, a fighter prototype. Although possessing excellent flight characteristics (speed, dive, maneuverability, range, etc.) the He-100 never entered production. Nazi officials decided to stick with the Messerschmitt BF-109 as its primary fighter and ordered Heinkel to focus on making bombers. Aviation enthusiasts and historians disagree as to why the He-100 died: Was it politics, poor decisions by Heinkel, production problems or something else? The He-100 prototypes were retired or sold to other nations, especially Japan, whose decent mid-war Kawasaki Ki-61 fighter—the only non-radial fighter Japan fielded—was based on the He-100. Why could this have been a game-changer? Because had the Nazis and Heinkel gone ahead with production of this fighter, which was supposedly superior to even the hot Focke Wulf FW-190 introduced later in the war, events such as the Battle of Britain could have turned out much differently. The He-100, for example, had much greater range than the 109 and was far superior to the Me-110, and could have easily fended off British fighters trying to get at German bombers. Note: The clip appears to be a Japanese film of Dieterle’s record flight.
The U-boats (submarines) used in World War II were superior in every way to their WWI counterparts, and the Type XXI vessel outclassed every other submarine of every navy. The Type XXI, dubbed the Elektoboote, was the first operational submarine designed to run totally submerged for extended periods—meaning, far longer than the submerged operational viability of the Type VIIC, the most numerous U-boat type. The Elektroboote could stalk Allied ships with far more impunity than earlier models thanks to its greatly improved batteries and “stealth” modifications that made it difficult to detect by Allied sonar. The type’s weapons systems were superior, including hydraulically-loaded torpedoes and torpedoes aimed by sonar, which eliminated the need to raise the U-boat to periscope depth for attack. Between 1943 and 1945, German shipyards built 118 Type XXI boats. But only four were combat-ready by the time the Germans surrendered, and only one ever went on patrol. Boneheaded production decisions, including those by Albert Speer, and Allied bombing prevented this deadly boat from ever becoming a menace.
After its successful debut in the Spanish Civil War, the Luftwaffe set on a strategy of using only tactical bombers (light, medium and dive bombers), eschewing the four-engine heavy bombers being developed in England and America. This concentration on highly vulnerable and lightly armed bombers meant that the Luftwaffe never had a true strategic heavy bomber. Although in possession of some four- and six-engine planes at war’s start, none was truly suitable for strategic bombing. Luftwaffe attempts to finally build long-range city-killers were either disasters or abandoned. The Heinkel He-177, the only Luftwaffe strategic bomber to enter into production, was a disastrous failure. It was a flawed four-engine design featuring two engines mounted in tandem on each wing, which frequently cased fires. Hitler also demanded that massive plane be capable of dive-bombing, which was totally wacky, and contributed to its serious problems. Along the same lines was the “New York bomber” program, which featured two aircraft, the Junkers Ju-290 and the Messerschmitt Me-264, with designs to bomb New York City. But the program never went beyond the prototype stage. The few models of the decent Ju-290 were used not as bombers but long-range couriers between Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan late in the war. Meanwhile, one complete Me-264, which curiously looked like the American B-29 Super Fortress, was completed and another two were under construction when the “New York bomber” program was abandoned permanently. The clip, which doesn’t have sound, is of a J-290.
This superb, purpose-built, 2-engine night fighter was the best Axis night fighter of the war, and one of the finest piston aircraft made prior to the jet age. Just one He-219 downed 25 Allied bombers in a matter of *days* during the prototype period; the plane was that good. While possessing excellent flight characteristics, formidable weaponry and radar guidance, the plane was somewhat complex to build. Heinkel only built a few hundred, partially because they were ordered to concentrate on bombers. Instead, the Luftwaffe relied on modifying existing aircraft, namely Me-110s and Junkers Ju-88s. In far larger numbers, the He-219 could have brought nighttime RAF bombing operations to a close. The clip, which doesn’t have sound, appears to be of a captured He-219 with USA markings.
The Kriegsmarine (German navy) never had an aircraft carrier during WWII, but it came close. In 1935, Hitler deemed that the Kriegsmarine would build aircraft carriers. At this point in naval history, the battleship was still the primary naval vessel, and aircraft carriers something of a novelty; therefore, naval treaties concentrated on limiting battleship tonnage. In 1937, shipbuilders laid the keel for the 33,500-tonne Graf Zeppelin and launched her the next year. However, she was never completed. Herman Goering thought that the carrier would intrude on the duties of his Luftwaffe, and Admiral Karl Doenitz championed U-Boats over surface vessels. Such territorial fights and the increasing shortage of war materials led to her abandonment at 80% completion. The Soviets captured the Graf Zeppelin in 1945, but it wasn’t learned until 2006 that the Soviets used her for target practice and sank her in 1947.
Germany employed many radio-controlled weapons during the latter half of the war, including the V-1 Buzz bomb, a slow, primitive cruise missile that was easy to shoot down. Radio-controlled air-to-surface missiles, such as the Henschel Hs 293 guided bomb, were a hassle for Allied shipping until techs found ways to jam the signals. Of all the German radio-controlled weapons, the V-2 ballistic missile was the most successful. However, the Nazis used the V-2 primarily to terrorize London, Antwerp and elsewhere during the last full year of the war. Much more powerful and faster than the V-1 “buzz bomb,” the Hs-293 and the “Mistel” (an old bomber packed with explosives literally flown by remote to a target), the V-2 was quite difficult to shoot down and packed a powerful explosive punch. One wonders what could have happened if the Germans had used such weapons exclusively against Allied troops instead of civilians. Considering that by summer 1944 the Allies had near total air domination in the west and the Soviets were closing hard from the east, such a weapon could have proven costly to the Allies—and cheaper than sending in fighters and bombers. With a mobile launch platform and a high-speed flight, the V-2 could — COULD — have gone a long way to negating Allied air power. But almost all of the 10,000 V-2s launched directly targeted civilians.
Germany fielded many powerful weapons systems for the Wehrmacht, including the fearsome Tiger and Panther tanks and the 88-mm cannon. (My wife’s late grandpa had many stories about being fired on by those %#$@! 88s.) The Wehrmacht’s small arms inventory was good, though a little unwieldy. The basic German soldier went to war equipped with the Karabiner Kar98, an old but powerful and reliable bolt-action rifle with a 5-shot cartridge. (The Kar98 is still in use!) Elite German troops, such as the paratroopers, as well as the SS and Gestapo, were often equipped with the MP-40 or 41 machine pistol / submachine gun. German armories, however, created a very powerful and versatile submachine gun *almost* akin to the famed postwar Soviet AK-47. In trained hands, the StG-44 could lay down a devastating hail of 7.92mm bullets (the same as used by the Kar98), and provided the power of the Kar98 and up-close versatility of the MP-40. During the last year-and-a-half of the war, they proved their effectiveness, so much so that when Hitler asked his generals in July 1944 what they needed, one of them exclaimed, “More of these rifles!” However, the StG-44 came too late in the war to have any appreciable effect. East German police units used them as late as the early 1960s. The clip is from Military channel’s Top Ten Combat Rifles.
The Me-262 was the world’s first operational jet fighter. Despite frequent engine problems, the Me-262 was a fast and deadly aircraft, and outpaced almost all Allied fighters (only the P-51D Mustang could match it.) It could have gone operational in the fall of 1943, when the war was still pretty much in the balance. At that time, the Luftwaffe still had not lost most of its veteran pilots and Allied escort fighters could not penetrate too far into the Reich. The Me-262 could have swept Allied bombers and fighters from the sky, giving Germany critical air dominance once more. Fortunately for the world, Hitler himself demanded that the new fighter aircraft be modified for dive-bombing use — a purpose for which it was not designed. This meddling delayed construction and deployment for more than a year. By the time the Me-262 took to the skies operationally in late 1944, it was far too late. The clip shows a restored Me-262 at a 2006 air show in Berlin.























I think number 2 is actually spelled Sturmgewher. I could be wrong…it happened once before.
Nope, it’s Sturmgewehr. Sturm meaning Storm (as in Sturmabteilung – Storm Division/detachment) and gewehr meaning rifle. Literally Storm Rifle. However, the Storm in this meaning also means assault. So yes, the well-known name “assault rifle” was created by Hitler.
37 – I agree. I think the biggest mistake Nazi Germany made was fighting both the Soviets AND the Americans, AND the rest of the allies. It made their battle lines waaaayy too big.
Although I'm sure an american will swiftly come and testify against that
Cyn – no worries. Didn't even notice it had been delayed!
I’m an american, and honestly I think you’re absolutely right. Idk if Germany would’ve defeated America one way or the other however I doubt America could’ve defeated Germany either. I say this because at the time many Americans owned guns, and knew how to use them. That would make American an extremely difficult country to invade.
At that time there were very few gun laws in the majority of countries…
About America's entry into the war… it's one of the fallouts of the post-war world (i.e., the Cold War) that overemphasis was made on the American contribution and underemphasis on the Soviet contribution. Both were critical, but more Soviets died fighting the Germans than the all of the rest of the Allies combined. MOST of the heaviest, destructive and bloodiest fighting of the war took place between 1) Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union, 2) Japan and the United States and 3) Japan and China.
Remember, by the time Hitler invaded Russia, most of Europe had already been knocked out of the war, and did not partake in fighting of 1941-1945 (until the Allies reconquered them, that is).
Post-war (and wartime) suspicions and hosility between the Allies and the Soviet Union led to such curiosities as the over-emphasis on the invasion of Sicily and the virtual Western ignorance of the Battle of Kursk, the largest tank battle in history, in which Soviet armies anihilated the Germans and put them permanently on the defensive. Both took place in July 1943, but unless you are a history buff, chances are you've heard of the sideshow of Sicily and nothing of Kursk.
I’d just like to point out, part of the reason the Sovet Union took the number of losses they did was that Hitler’s attack caught them by surprise. Plus the Red Army’s tactics at the time pretty much consisted of charging forfified locations en masse. Their contributions were extremely important, there’s no doubt about that, but casualties aren’t a good way to judge such things.
Thermopylea is a good example of that.
Pres Oshama–That’ll cost us the war for sure
Discriminatory guns on the list, g – as I sit here eating my jaegerschnitzel und mein spaetzle, I refuse to accept that anything save too much Nietzsche, too little Schopenhauer lost us the war ya
Interesting list, just shows that the war was very finely balanced. It seems to me that we are all lucky that Hitler seemed to have a fasination on having things have the capability to dive bombing!
Too little too late
So basically, Hitlers own pigheadedness and need to Micro Manage ensured that I didn’t have to learn High German in school.
Good to know…
Travis. Even if I enjoyed jokes like that those wouldn’t be funny.
Comments 6 & 7
Travis–WTF Man?!
@Travis Or how bout you shut the hell up you stupid ignorant ass !
To compare the murder of 6million Jews to some stupid brainwashed morons blowing them up is highly offensive.
So are your ignorant and anti-semtic remarks but your obviously pretty dim so we wont worry about that too much!
Great list. With regards to the atomic bomb, Hitler’s decision to persecute Jews led to many fleeing the country, including some of its top physicists, thus delaying development. And as mentioned in other items in the list, his other decisions led to them having no real way to deliver it.
Travis’ comments have been removed. Travis – there is a limit to what is acceptable and you have breached it. All of your comments will now be checked by an admin before they appear on the site. It would have been nice to think you would have learnt from the last time you posted but you haven’t. So now I have to monitor what you say when I should be working on the Listverse Book. So thanks – not only have you offended everyone here, you have just made my job harder.
Amazing how wars produce great technological breakthroughs. Maybe a mention for the german tanks like the tiger or later panzer models.
@jfrater thanks nicely done
By the way in regards to the Nazi atomic bomb, whilst it is true the nazis wanted to develop a bomb the allies were not only further along but also pursuing the correct way to build a bomb where as the Nazis were actually closer to building a nuclear reactor than a working bomb!
If you read up on Heisenberg you will see that there were plenty of German physicists left however many of them either stalled the project or pushed it in the wrong direction fearing what a nazi bomb could have achieved!
Also you didn’t mention the Nazi’s guided missiles and rockets.
Don: I think this may be your second time then
It is spelt correctly in the list and it means “storm rifle” – because it was to be used in storming the enemy. In German, “gewher” means nothing, in German, “gewehr” means “rifle”.
@jfrater: The problem isnt with the Gewehr portion. In German Sturm means storm I dont think “Strun” means anything.:) Besides that really good list, its scary to know how advanced the Nazis actually were.
The Japanese developed submarine aircraft carriers. One group was going to attack the Panama C***** but they were called back to defend Japan.
yay! Guns on the list!
Thanks for publishing this, jfrater! It was fun/scary to put together.
I wonder if you could make one change: in #6 strategic bomber, the picture is the only completed Me-264, instead of the clip of the Ju-290. I must have sent you the wrong link.
Yes, it’s “Sturm” with an “M.” My mistake. I should have had my glasses on when making the titles!
Did a couple of lists disappear from this weekend?
In my opinion, the untimely attack on pearl harbor actually saved us all. I can’t imagine what would happen if America would enter the war even a year late. Britain too would probably have been overrun by then.
@jfrater well done removing travis`s comments. prehaps if he is daft enough to keep doing what i guess he thinks are clever remarks it would be prudent to remove him altogether. well done on a good list. its a shame moronic “people” can`t just get a life instead of annoying others.
Where’s Ironman?
Wow, someone else from STL, MO? I thought I was the only one who knew of this website in St. Louis. LOL.
The Allied bombings of Dresden and Tokyo were much, much worse than the Nazi bombing of London. Just saying – they’d make better points of comparison.
Interesting list. I only knew of 2 of these before…the rifle and the u-boat.
O dear travis. Well in Jfrater!
’10. jfrater’ given this comment ..any comment containing ‘travis’ will go into moderation. ’27. cymraegbachgen87′ which is why your comment did. it has been released. for now, don’t use that word or the comment will be moderation until an admin. has a chance to release it.
I freakin’ LOVE St. Louis!
#20
I was also curious. I could swear that two lists from the past weekend disappeared. I can’t remember anything about them, though, so maybe they weren’t particularly memorable. Or maybe I’m crazy.
Curiosity kills the cat and everyone else, does anybody mind filling me in on a paraphrased version of what Mr. Tr commented that brought about such a reaction?
‘tunes — Dresden, Tokyo AND Hamburg. MY Dad, who lived in Japan for about five years, once told me that “we paid back Japan for Pearl Harbor many, many times over.”
a comment by deviantmiss on this list & one by Ginny on the cake list were in moderation when i checked in this morning. so these changes happened overnight, as well as some lists being ‘archived’. any further questions should be addressed to J. i would suggest via email.
OK, my curiousity has been officially piqued… What is going on with that T fellow (I´m avoiding the name so I dont go into moderation)? Was it that bad?
Anyway, great list although I have to say I´ve always felt more interest in WWI for some reason. I wonderif Hitler had had these weapons if he would have turned to Lat.Am. at some point… Although it seems to have been completely off his radar.
16. ronsantohof:
i remember watching on the history channel that those aircraft-carrying submarines could have been used to carry bombers loaded with bombs filled with fleas infected with Bacillus anthracis to depopulate los angeles or san francisco, and that they were the inspiration for the nuclear submarines developed by the US during the cold war
30. jos- I know one of them was about non-existent diseases… I personally didn’t like it.
great list!
It has two small errors:
1) Less than 4,000 V-@s were launched, not over 10,000.
2) The He-219 did not shoot down that many planes in 10 days – it was german Propogaanda. Although highly effective, the claims made did not match records of British air losses – especially claims of Mosquitos downed.
But still, a great list!
in reference to Lostagent.
By the time that America was bombed the German army had turned their attention away from Britain and focused on the Soviet Union with all their might. I do agree that it is a good thing America got involved but there is no way that Britain would have been overrun. I could be mistaken but American troops did not enter europe until around either late 1942 or early 1943. At this time The German army was being decimated by the Soviets and not able to fight at full capacity
Just my two cents
33. GTT: I am, too, but I’ve found that when dealing with the occasional idiots that visit this list, it’s best to not know.
I can’t say this is a topic I enjoy, but I like the research and writing done with the list. Good job, STL Mo.
I bet those Americans didnt even know there was a war before that.
All jokes, sorry. but i have heard of some people not knowing there was more going on before the Americans entered. stupid educational system of today
I wonder if we (Americans) had stayed out of it, how many people would be mad at us for that?
No one would be mad of course, we would all be one nation and there would be no teachings of the old days. just how glorious Germany is
I think I saw a movie, or maybe it was a real life event, where somebody was sent to kill a person that was going to assasinate Hitler. The reason was to let Hitler keep managing the war because he was incompetent at doing so.
LOL Jeremy! So true!
Everyone is happy that America joined, but in all honesty i think the Soviets had it. By the time dday had happened they had already pushed Germany out of Soviet territory and were making gains beyond their borders. It would have just taken an extra 5 or more years is all since if america was not involved dday wouldnt have happened to split forces
I think the scariest thing about that whole affair is that Hitler was actually voted into power.
That’s not that surprising, George Bush was voted in “twice”
Hitler was smart, a good politician and charismatic. He is one of the only politicians to follow through on what he promised as well
sorry the quotation marks should have been around voted
jeremy: that is rediculous to the point of incompetency to equate President Bush to hitler.
I agree. We should not compare G.W. Bush to Hitler. It would be closer to compare Hitler to Cheney. Bush was just a stupid puppet.
21. Lostagent
Pearl Harbor was a surprise, for sure, but by no means untimely…that war had been going on for years and both American coasts were vulnerable to an overzealous opposition. Although taking a pacifist stance, the US was a strong (economic) supporter of the Allied nations. It was merely a matter of time before something happened (and there’s quite a bit of controversy over that something) that would turn the American popular sentiment to pro-war and FDR acknowledged this. He had prepared for the inevitable entrance into war and dare I say, was anxious to enter war. It was merely an American-centric outlook that kept us from actively fighting for so long.
In regards to the Allied movements in Europe, Jeremy (37) has got it spot on. Although battered and bruised, Europe’s Allies were doing a commendable job containing the Axis Powers (and the antagonism between Hitler and Mussolini certainly helped!). I think the Allies would certainly still win in Europe when Hilter’s resources ran out. The US had a greater impact on the Pacific front, where Japan’s power was going mostly unchecked, despite American embargos.
oy, stupid stumble upon distracting me from listserve. Posted my comment when it was already answered, haha.
You’re pushing a fine line there with your Bush-Hitler comparisons, jeremy…
I’m pretty sure the Allies had spies in the German nuclear program, and saw that the German were going entirely the wrong way with it. still scary, but fortunately not that close.
52. gabi –
True, there’s a fine line. Unfortunately, Hitler was a better commander, more charismatic and more popular (in his day) than Bush. The comparisons are not giving him enough credit. If he hadn’t developed a love of dive-bombing, the war may have turned out very differently.
What’s this ‘us’ rubbish (in the title) – some people reading this are descended from the losers (or are surviving losers), you insensitive clod. (-:
copperdragon (54):
I agree. I think most people are automatically thinking of all the atrocities committed by Hitler but I *think* that the comparision was meant to underline the fact that Hitler was elected and he turned into a war-hungry beast. Can we not say the same about Bush?
54. copperdragon
I was not referring to Bush as Hitler and vice versa. I took contention to the ‘was “voted” in twice’. I am most assuredly anti-Bush living in a surprisingly conservative location but despite the fact that I think a number of people voted for the Republican party rather than for the candidate, I do believe the voting worked as it was supposed to in choosing whom people thought were ‘somewhat better qualified’ in the past few (and hopefully a majority) of presidential elections. This was done without the violence and largely un-Hitler vote. Twice he lost the majority vote in 1932 by a clear margin and then used subterfuge to gain dictatorship. The rest of you can hash out the personality and characteristics between the two men. My view on that is: Bush is out of office therefore out of mind. He did his duty uniting everyone (except FOX News) ‘under one nation, indivisible…against Bush.’ Time to move on.
Is there any thought about the idea that Biological or deadly gas weapons could have been used also to make it onto this lost?
In response to the Bush Hilter comparison. I was not comparing atrocities, or what they respectively did in office. Nicosia mentioned how they thought it was crazy that Hitler was voted into power and i was merely comparing the fact that both were voted in despite their obvious shortcomings/downfalls etc.
In no way was i comparing what George Bush has done to what Hitler had done.
Also can one be so sure that they would not vote someone like Hitler into power nowadays with the way the world is going? One has to remember that anti semetic ramble was not his bread and butter when trying to get elected.
The comparisons are there with how Obama was elected, as far as i know anyways.
The masses were fed up with the former government in a time of need. depression and recession
Both are very charismatic, said all the right things at the right times.
As a canadian i really dont know that much about the American election except for kind of following it, but there are similarities in how they were voted into power.
It goes as far as that, i am not insinuating anything about obama