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In the words of Swiss journalist and author, Roger Du Pasquier “The West, whether Christian or dechristianised, has never really known Islam. Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it. It has been subjected to grotesque distortions the traces of which still endure in the European mind. Even today there are many Westerners for whom Islam can be reduced to three ideas: fanaticism, fatalism and polygamy. Of course, there does exist a more cultivated public whose ideas about Islam are less deformed; there are still precious few who know that the word islam signifies nothing other than ’submission to God’. One symptom of this ignorance is the fact that in the imagination of most Europeans, Allah refers to the divinity of the Muslims, not the God of the Christians and Jews; they are all surprised to hear, when one takes the trouble to explain things to them, that ‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name. “
Misconception: All Muslims are Arabs
The common image of a Muslim is a turbaned dark Arab man with a long beard. However this image is part of the minority of Muslims. Arabs make only 15% of the world’s Muslim population. As a matter of fact the Middle East comes in third with East Asia coming in at first (69%) and Africa (27%) coming in at second. Another common misconception is that all Arabs are Muslims. While the vast majority of Arabs are Muslims (75%), there are many other religions that Arabs practice including Christianity and Judaism.
Misconception: Muslims Hate Jesus
There are many similarities between the historical references of Christianity and Islam. Many people are amazed to find out that according to Muslim belief, Jesus is one of the greatest messengers of God. One cannot be a Muslim without believing in the virgin birth and the many miracles of Jesus Christ. Jesus is also mentioned in many verses of the Quran and is often used as an example of good virtue and character. However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God. Pictured above is Jesus in an Islamic portrayal of the last judgement.
Misconception: Children have no rights
Children, according to Islamic law, have various rights. One of these is the right to be properly brought up, raised, and educated. Islam encourages children to be brought up well because it is the responsibility of an adult to raise his child to become a moral and ethical adult. Children must also be treated equally. When giving financial gifts they should all be the same amount and there should be no preference among them. Children are even permitted to take moderately from their parent’s wealth to sustain themselves if the parent declines to give them proper funds for living. A child is also not allowed to get hit in the face or hit by anything larger than a pencil.
Misconception: Islam is intolerable to other religions
‘Kill the infidel’ is the phrase many people believe is the ideology that Muslims have towards the non Muslims. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of Islamic law. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. In the Quran it says “God does not forbid you, with regards to those who fight you not for religion nor drive you away out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for god loves those who are just.” There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities. Whenever he would visit holy areas he would ask for the Christian patriarch Sophronius (pictured above) to accompany him.
Misconception: Jihad means to fight for the sake of god
The true Arabic meaning of the word jihad is struggle. However in Islam it is often used to describe the striving in the way of god. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are Jihad al-nafs (jihad against ones self), jihad bil-lisan (jihad by being vocal), jihad bil yad (jihad by using action), and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword). Each jihad is ranked differently and it was reported that Muhammad returned from a battle and said “We have returned from the lesser jihad (going into battle) to the greater jihad (the struggle of the soul).” This means that a Muslim struggling against himself and his soul is more important than the jihad of going into war. Another misconception is that only when a person dies in war does that person becomes a martyr. This is, however, false and it is believed that anyone doing anything for the sake of god and is killed becomes a martyr. A person who dies while performing pilgrimage in Mecca, a woman who dies while giving birth, or even someone who dies in a car crash while he was on his way to the mosque are all considered martyrs.
Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile
While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage. It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible for their actions under Islamic law. At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions. It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry. There is no indication that the society at that time criticized this marriage due to the girl’s young age. On the contrary, the marriage was encouraged by the girl’s family and was welcomed by the community at large.
Misconception: Muslims are savages and barbaric during war
Quite the contrary, when it comes to the conduct of war there are ten rules that every Muslim army must obey:
1. Do not commit treachery
2. Do not deviate from the right path
3. Do not mutilate dead bodies
4. Do not kill children
5. Do not kill women
6. Do not kill aged men
7. Do not harm or burn trees
8. Do not destroy buildings
9. Do not destroy an enemy’s flock, unless you use it for your food
10. When you pass people who have devoted their lives to monastic services leave them alone
During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army and supplied them with food and during the third crusade when Saladin’s enemy king Richard fell sick, Saladin sent him a gift of fruits and horses.
Misconception: Women have no rights
The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.
Misconception: Islam was spread by the sword
Historian De lacey O’Leary states “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam. When Islam spread through countries they would set up private churches and synagogues for the non Muslims they were governing and because of the good treatment they had received they themselves would convert. If one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam to the west all the way from Spain and Morocco and into east from India and China one would realize that such a small group of people could not force others to be members of a religion against their will. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic empire, instead of destroying the religion they adopted it!
Misconception: Muslims are terrorists
This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives. Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’. Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention when many of their practices go against the true basis of Islam. The media has also portrayed Islam as a cult or a club where if you join you become a terrorist and that is now part of your agenda. However all over the world people practice Islam in the true form and use it as a way of life. There are many verses in the Quran that go against the idea of terrorism. Some of these verses include “fight in the way of Allah those that fight you but do not transgress limits for god does not love transgressors.” This basically means do not fight except in self defense and even in doing so do not go beyond defense. Another verse states “if they seek peace, then you seek peace,” which means do not attack people for no reason or kill innocent people. There is nowhere in Islam, whether it be in the Quran or the teachings of Muhammad, that promotes the killing of innocent people. Pictured above is a conference of Muslims against Terrorism.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Thanks for compiling this.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:38 am
I’ve never actually come across some of these misconceptions before – including the one about Muhammad being a pedophile. Good list anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 am
I myself am not Muslim, but some of these misconceptions really irritate me. Thanks for setting the record straight.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Good list- interesting
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 am
good list, islam is perhaps one of the most misunderstood things in the western culture, we belive what we hear on he news, no questioning
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Very Nice How Much
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Its a case of the minority ruining others perceptions of the majority with Islam i think!
Good List!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Here comes trouble!
Interesting, though. I don’t have misconceptions. I have gaps in my knowledge.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Amen!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Astraya… i smell trouble as well..
but thanx a million for the list… it is very close to my heart..
July 10th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Thanks for posting this up, I think christianity has shed more bloodshed in this world than anything. The crusades were spread by the sword, the Spanish Inquisitions. Could you imagine if TV was honest.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Great list..
“Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’.” — Excellent point..
Christians who somehow justify that killing doctors who perform abortions are just as much terrorists as Muslims who justify violence against the west. (and, no, i’m not pro-choice)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Great List.
The last one is really really common and really irritating.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 am
I was actually aware of some of these misconceptions. I am so smart. S-M-R-T, I mean S-M-A-R-T!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Great list. I think its very important to promote and explain the difference between Muslims and extremist Islamists. If we didn’t have information like this, we’d only have things like the Daily Mail for information and boy, that would be bad!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 am
umm… all of these misconceptions are true. do you people not read the newpaper?!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Holy Christ I hate the Daily Mail. Apparently there’s a new form of cancer that causes house prices to fall, lets homosexuals adopt children and lets immigrants into the UK.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Great list.
I think some of the items in this list is an eye opener for many muslims themselves instead of non muslims.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:20 am
this is a very important list in todays society, i know a bit about islam but even ive become victim to stereotyping Muslims, so its good to clear up many of these misconceptions
excellent list
July 10th, 2009 at 2:26 am
good list…just one thing: in #7 i think you mean that islam is INTOLERANT TOWARDS other religions…not intolerable to, which unfortunately i think is true
July 10th, 2009 at 2:30 am
that wasa good list, though non religious most islamic people i have meet are all really nice people, they dont get butthurt about my atheism like Ive seem a few Christians do, the reason i think we are so misinformed about islam in the western world is teh history between the christian church and them the crusades etc, so that in turn effects today
July 10th, 2009 at 2:36 am
In the kind and wise words of former President George “Dublya” Bush:
“If you dont support the war on Islam you’re a Muslim… or… Gay!” – just kidding guys!
Why in the hell would someone judge a culture, country or religion based on a few bad seeds??
Ignorance and greed is what makes wars!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 am
everytime i hear about misconception number 7 someone always gives an example of how some medieval ruler tolerated christians (like saladdin)… i don’t think there are current, modern day examples to showcase here, i guess. does it mean that tolerance is no longer practised?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 am
“Islam is intolerable to other religions”? Intolerant of other religions surely…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 am
its a shame that a few bad eggs in the crowd has even precipitated the compilation of such a list. although being raised in a predominantly muslim world where there were collections for taliban i find it hard to sympathise. some of my best m8s are muslims but that doesnt mean they practice the very well put ‘excuses’ in the article.
maybe my perspective is skewed cuz i spent too much time with them.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I had learned that Muhammad married his child bride when she was nine but didn’t consummate the marriage until she was 12 or 13, or until she became a “woman”. In any case standards were different back then, you can’t really hate on different cultural standards.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
“Great list”? Have you people read the Qu’ran instead of just accepting what someone says? Have you looked into Muhammad’s life and acts?
“As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children”. Muhammad married Aisha when she was around six. That is hardly what I would call a woman who has reached puberty. And based on his example, there are Islamic clerics today who say that it is OK to marry a 9 year old girl.
Now, during Muhammad’s time, Islam was tolerant of other religions when he was a nobody trying to convince people to join him; once he had gone to Medina and gathered strong support, his discourse changed, and now people had to be converted… or else. And while it is true that later there were places that tolerated Christians and Jews and others, they had to pay heavy taxes for the privilege of maintaining their religion. Try to do that now, taxing Muslims in Christian countries, and see if you are not branded as intolerant. And what about calling Christians and Jews pigs and monkeys, and calling for their deaths in the Qu’ran? Is that tolerance? Is that peace?
And what about the conquest of the Iberian peninsula, Constatinople, the Balcans, etc.? Didn’t the expansion of Islam stop in Europe not because people didn’t decide to convert, but as a result of battles (e.g.: Battle of Tours)?
There are many more insights regarding Islam that you can find elsewhere in the Web, or if you spend time reading about Muhammad’s life and the Qu’ran.
Pac
PS: I’m an atheist, by the way
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I donno whats exactly there in the khoran, but in practice Islam is the most dogmatic, misogynistic faith.
Today, in saudi arabia a women is a half a man and no right to drive. I am not suprised you didn’t mention these kind of ground facts in your list, but eulogising the whole thing called Islam
July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Life in a theocratic muslim state:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141267/Saudi-judge-sentences-pregnant-gang-rape-victim-100-lashes-committing-adultery.html
July 10th, 2009 at 2:45 am
good list!
some of them are my misconceptions and some are obviously!
as i knew that most muslim country or places are dangerous and always have war!
here in the philippines, we are the only majority catholic country in asia, there are terrorist and rebel from the southern part (mindanao)w/c are muslims, and one of our country’s head ache from many decades until now!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:47 am
In regard to women’s rights, how ’bout this verse?
Qur’an 4:34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
Before anyone asks, by the way, I’m an agnostic.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Great list! I am happy to see there are open minded people and ones who are not afraid to publish the truth. Insha’Allah more people will understand the true meaning of Islam.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Muslims when they are in majority oppress all the others- You can take any muslim majority country for this example.
When they are in minority in numbers they always create the trouble.
Philippines- Mindanao
Thailand- Southern thailand
China- Xinjiang
India- Kashmir
Russia- Chechenya
Is this tolerance you mentioned in your article ??
July 10th, 2009 at 2:51 am
It doesn’t help that some of you guys are as much as ignorant as some stupid fundamentalist. Take a look at the Lebanon for an example of tolerance towards other religions. No really read the Wikipedia article.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:55 am
This is the best list I’ve seen in a while. Really informative. However, I do have to agree with Lelia (31); the author did tend to leave out passages from the Koran that contradict the idea that some of these are misconceptions. It’s been a while since I’ve studied Islam, so I can’t find the specific passages, but they are there. I think this list definitely needed to be written, and God knows that it would be helpful if a large portion of the US population would read it. But, I guess I’m just a stickler for objectivity, fairness and balance (so, imagine how pissed off I get when watching FOX news).
However, all that being said, this slightly biased view is no worse than the way Christians present their own history and theology.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Wonderful list…I’m glad you put this together. Being a black male I can understand being judged based on sterotypes. Everyone should not be judged, but looked at on individual merit. (I’m off my soap box now…) Thanks
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 am
muslims ARE terrorists I don`t care what this says, its wrong. and a jihad is a holy war such as the crusades.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 am
msulli22
I do completely agree with you- The author is afflicted with selection bias- He chose whatever it suits to his preconceptions and left out all those which didn’t
July 10th, 2009 at 3:01 am
just to add to #3:
Is it really the case that men ‘really h-a-t-e it when girls cover up?!’
The reason for the covering in Islam therefore relates to other principles.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:02 am
I think that no religion is bad but that the people who practice it make it bad.
Of course not everybody makes it bad, just a few bad seeds. Although I do believe that you are a bit too biased towards it. Because you make it seem as if it is the perfect religion.
Just my opinion though
Great List!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Good list and quite enlightening. However, how many of the ten rules at number 4 were broken on September 11 2001?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Great list; I was disturbed during the US election when Obama’s name was mentioned at Republican rally’s, sometimes people in the crowd would call out “terrorist” – the “logic” being that his father was a Muslim, so Obama was a Muslim so he was a terrorist. Wilful stupidity.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:06 am
From the Qu’ran:
2: The Cow (women have rights, but no the same as men, because they are easily confused).
“228. Women also have recognized rights as men have, though men have an edge over them.”
“282. But if two men are not available, then a man and two women you approve, so that in case one of them is confused the other may remind her.”
9: Repentance (convert by the sword… or else):
“5. But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over, slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place. But if they repent and fulfil their devotional obligations and pay the zakat, then let them go their way, for God is forgiving and kind.”
“29. Fight those people of the Book who do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not prohibit what God and His Apostle have forbidden, nor accept divine law, until all of them pay protective tax in submission.”
About Aisha, from the Hadith (Muhammad was 53, Aisha 6):
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5977:
‘A’isha reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: I saw you in a dream for three nights when an angel brought you to me in a silk cloth and he said: Here is your wife, and when I removed (the cloth) from your face, lo, it was yourself, so I said: If this is from Allah, let Him carry it out.
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5981:
A’isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), whereas Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent them to her.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Maybe I read it wrong but did Muhammad’s young bride start puberty at 6. That’s got to be some kind of record!!
An excellent list though.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:14 am
This list just shows how wrong the media is about Islam. Good on Listverse for not having media bias and just telling the facts.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Thank you. I am so glad that this list has been compiled. For all people seeking a more civilized way through the troubles of progress. Thank you.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:20 am
Great list. I sent this same list a couple of months ago but then it was overlooked. You can find these in book ‘Islam: your birth right’ & many other issues clarified.
As for DeBakey (33)
Muslims in majority oppress all others. LOl, ever heard of the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Pakistan etc. ? Give me one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us. Also, ever heard of a country named India, where muslims are burnt & oppressed routinely, christians are harrased, raped & killed daily, where sikhs are prejudiced aginst since god knows when. But of course, no one talks about it in the whole goddamned world. Why? Because the media has more important issue (of ISLAMIC terrorism/extremism/fundementalism) to discuss. Ever wonder why those hindus who far exceed muslims in extremism are never blamed? Because the media can only see muslims. Ever wonder why the hindu religion is never questioned or their beliefs made fun of? Because no one wants to.
As for your idea that they create trouble, chechnya has asked for independence or atleast autonomy & i think any one can ask for independence. So when the eastern european countries came into being & broke away from the USSR, did you say they create trouble? No, no one said anything.
Kashmir. Do you even know why kashmir is such a hot issue? The story goes as follows. When the time of independence for the subcontinent (india/Pakistan) came, it was decided that every region would decide for itself. So, when west bengal & hyderabad, with hindu majority said that they will join India, their muslim ruler said otherwise & tried to join pakistan but Pakistan didn’t allow them because it was agreed that the decisions will be made by the majority. So, when Kashmir, with muslim majority, said they will join Pakistan, its sikh ruler said otherwise & made them join idia (or rather, was presented with no option but to join india). Pakistan cried foul over this & Pakistani Pathans from N.W.F.P hurried & conquered half of kashmir which is known as Azad kashmir (free kashmir) today. U.n has passed numerous resolutions saying that a refrendum/plebiscite should be conducted under the auspices of the U.N, but india has turned a deaf ear to all of these. See any double standards over here ? Ofcouse, ignorant & stupid people like you find it easy to blame.
Furthermore, when it is said said that Muhammad (p.b.u.h) married Ayesha (r.a) when she was nine, it means they had a nikah when she was 9. Nikah is a pledge of marriage & after nikah, you can marry the girl after as much time as wanted or said. Their Marriage was when she was older.
So, learn to be respectful of other religions & don’t blame it without reason/proof.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:27 am
I really wish religion would just fuck off.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:36 am
I want to thank everyone who read the list and hopefully it cleared some questions in regards to the topic!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:39 am
While maybe not “the point of the sword”, most of the history I’ve read about the Ottoman Empire and its trek across the Balkan states agrees that Islam overtook Christianity primarily through taxation. Christians were taxed so highly and had so little hope of finding work (particularly within the government) that their only option was to publicly renounce Christianity and embrace Islam.
I’ve lived and worked with Muslims for a large part of my life and none of them have ever tried to sugarcoat the failings of individuals within their religion anymore than I have…I’m Catholic. While Islam and the Quran might not encourage the activities noted above, should we stick our heads in the sand and pretend that they do not occur, and on a frighteningly large scale? Any act of violence in the name of religion (ANY religion) should be condemned and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Ahhh… Religion!!
Yes, I believe religion has its purposes. In societies where Law and Justice are weak religion is the only thing stopping total chaos and anarchy! However, in modern society religion has no purpose. In fact, religion just creates more problems and segregates citizens! We are all equal no matter gender or colour!
There was a study that showed that 70% of Muslims, when moving to the west, leave behind several traditions of their faith! Christianity has lost millions of followers over the years! Is this all coincidence? I think not!
ONCE PEOPLE ARENT JUDGED BY THEIR GOVERMENT ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THEY TEND TO “OPEN THEIR EYES” AND QUESTION THE TRUE MEANING OF RELIGION!
I believe its a matter of decades before religion is totaly dismissed. But then again Man will always find something to fight about. Weak beings we are!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
As far as I’m concerned, Christianity == Islam. Both have the burden of misconceptions, depending on the geographical location and the culture and tradition of your country. For all the Christian countries, Islam is evil, for all the Islam countries Christianity is evil.
At least to large groups of people.
There are many verses in Bible which can be interpreted equally horrible as those from Qur’an. From slavery (trading rules for slaves) to what could be referred to as “holy wars”.
One just needs to use his brain a bit to realize that no religion can be evil by default (well, except satanism I assume, if that’s a religion) because the majority of people wouldn’t buy that.
Faith is often mixed with religion but they are two distinct entities. Overall, faith is positive, but all religions suck. They are good in theory, like capitalism, but in practice…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
7Raul7: For Ganesh’s sake! Don’t start on the Hindus. They don’t even hurt cows!!
I agree with romerozombie. I wish everyone would stop all this religious friction and just fuck off… or get along!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Well the Turks used to kill people by shoving a spear trough a persons rear end next to the spine, avoiding vital organs just to lead to a very very painful death, if that isnt brutal then i dont know what is, and what about the killings concerning the danish caricatures? Still i think islam is a very foul religion, in fact the worst wars in history were lead by muslims and thanks to the belief of predestination and jihad they were very succesful.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:41 am
@47
Let’s see… intolerant Muslim nation… one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us (i.e.: Muslims)… how about Saudi Arabia? Are there Christian churches there where people can freely profess their religion? How about Synagogues? Are non-Muslims allowed in Mecca?
From Wikipedia: “Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as temporary workers, but does not allow them to practice their faith. Foreign Christians generally only worship in secret within private homes. Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others.”
Regarding your comment on Aisha: apologetic. The Hadith, as I have posted @43, clearly states that she was 6 when Muhammad married her, and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
More Hadith:
From Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”
From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: “Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.” (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”
Islamists will insist that the term ‘consummate the marriage’ means ‘nikah’, not sex. This is despite the above translation that explicits states ‘intercourse’.
PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 3:43 am
awesome list, this should be on the front pages around the western world tbh.
I just can’t stand people that condemn things without even knowing what it is about.
Of course there is no denying that a lot of harm was done in the name of the islam, but same goes for christianity and pretty much every other religion and/or ideology.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Taught me alot.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Yes, very well-compiled list of historical and social contradictions in the treatment of a self-identifying group. It is, however, still a shared belief in spirit creatures that intercede in the daily affairs of men, with promises of a supernatural afterlife and reward/punishment by a supreme deity, right? Collective worship of unseen metaphysical forces that dictate the behavior and fates of every individual ever born?
I agree that persecution and violence resulting from ignorance of religious laws and rituals is wrong and barbaric. Respect is due all humans. I disagree, however, with the intellectual coddling of the great masses who cannot take personal, earthly responsibility for their own motivations and actions. Christians, Muslims, Seventh Day Adventists, Scientologists and Zoroastrians all deserve the same treatment. It’s too bad that ‘treatment’ isn’t education in science, mathematics, and the true underpinnings of all Nature. There might a few less beheadings after that.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:56 am
I don’t understand why muslims must populate other countries as set up their own mosques and muslim only schools. They want their rights to be respected but they immigrate to another how about assimilating a little instead of distancing themselves from the rest of the population.
Makes no sense.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:02 am
first things first Islam was NEVER a religion of tolerance or peace. I am sick and tired of this constant ignorance being spewed forth almost everywhere-just look at a history book to see what I mean
-Muslims invading Greece now turkey finally destroying the roman empire in 1453
-Armenian genocide by turks
-amount of native Hindus left in Pakistan
-Iran was dominantly Zoroastrian , virtually none left and those that still are there are SEVERELY persecuted
-Egypt was dominantly Christian with Alexandria being a major Christian center pre-700ad until invaded by Muslim Arabs. now very hard for Coptic Christians
There are many more such incidents with the motive making Islam a global religion. don’t believe me? Muslims in minority are rioting in china for a separate state.Cechnian Muslim terrorists in Russia fighting for an independent country . Albanian Muslims successfully managed to take land from Serbia.
these are just a few examples on a wide scale. there are countless more personal accounts of what this so called religion of peace does to people morally
no doubt a lot of “EDUCATED” people reading this quickly think that a lot of these actions are a response to discrimination or would be quick to list a number of relatively few such similar incidents incurred by other cultures/religions. to this I say that of all the dominant faiths of this world only Islam promotes violence and physical dominance consistently . all the other dominant ones are religions of peace.
finally I do not hate Muslims people I find many are incredibly good people. I only hate the religion of Islam
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I certainly hope this misconception list was posted as a joke. I’ve never read so much propandist bull about Islam in my life.
Almost every misconception statement “debunking” was followed by completely false data.
The only one that made me laugh was the plea to downgrade “terrorism” to just a little ole hate crime…LOL.
Mohammed married a six year old and raped her when she was nine. No words can sweeten that fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Raul 7
You want an example for oppression in muslim majority nations.
Just one example – Eminent scientist Abdus Salam who recieved nobel prize in Physicsis from Pakisthan and that nation didn’t even recognised him just becos he belonged to Ahmedi sect.
Now go on about ur rants – you got a bone in the brain stupid.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Religion, like any human institution, is misused. As with Christianity the intent of Islam is to inspire hope, inner peace, a code of ethics, an explanation of our existence and a promise of an afterlife. Unfortunately somewhere along the way some people have misused both religions for their own ends. But hey, we have also misused the good intentions of other great philosophies such as Democracy, Capitalism, Communism, Environmentalism and so on and so forth. Unfortunately we seem to find evil in whatever we do. Hopefully someone is looking out for us all.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:15 am
@47:
India, in spite of all its flaws, is a pluralistic society. While friction between different groups do happen, the people have co-existed more or less peacefully for the last 60 odd years.
Hindus are more extreme than muslims? Tell me how many hindus blow themselves up in crowded places daily or hijack planes to steer them into skyscrappers? How many Hindus deny the right of a people, a country (read Israel)to exist?
West Bengal had a muslim ruler? Dude, what were you smoking? West Bengal had been under british rule since 1757. It was the capital of India till the 1940s.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:24 am
I dont´t know why people are getting so worked up about item 5 on this list. By today´s standards Muhammad would have been a pedophile for having sex with a nine year old girl, but in the 7th century arab world the culture was a lot different. At the time there was nothing wrong with what Muhammad was doing. Aisha´s (the six year old bríde) family were supportive of the marriage and she was Muhammed´s favourite wife.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 am
This is a nice list.
I will however keep fighting religions (any) because all religion require people to stop thinking and believe. This is the greatest crime of all religions and I will always fight against it, as it is the base for the worst atrocities committed in history.
7 people have been beheaded today in the name of sharia.
They were of course ecexuted by bad muslims, but, well, tell it to the beheaded victims.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Wow, right from the intro this list fails to take into account that most people’s opinion of Islam might justifiably be influenced by, I don’t know, let’s say the fact that there is currently a global war on Islamic terrorism going on that affects people in many countries worldwide in which the *stated goal* is to convert the infidels or kill them all.
And one only has to look at Sharia Law to see how Islam is used to justify inhuman treatment of men, women and children in those cultures.
Please, you can put up the tenets of any religion and then complain about how it has been bastardized in the media or by “uneducated” people who don’t “know” your religion. Why do people need to “know” you religion as if it was their own? I think it’s perfectly understandable that a person who has but a cursory knowledge of the deeper fundamentals of any religion might base their opinion (of which they are entitled) on the *behavior* of its practitioners.
But since I’m so uneducated about Islam, maybe you can explain what in “intifada” is. I’ve always been curious.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:31 am
@a state of ignorance:
“all the other dominant ones are religions of peace.”
That’s a ridiculous statement. Just because they’ve learned to be more subtle, through many centuries of experience, it doesn’t mean they have changed. From catholic cardinals helping Nazi generals escape to south America, to countless cases of supporting both sides in a war. You name it, they got it. “Other religions” are nearly always the same: do as I say, not as I do.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:39 am
long time follower. absolutely love your work but alot of this list is not correct. No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to ‘kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah’. “It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.” That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have sex with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you’ll see the massive amounts of ‘good’ its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible ‘misconceptions’ about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives. THis is the first list that ive actually posted on and again for once am not impressed
July 10th, 2009 at 4:40 am
I’d like to quote the man himself, Jfrater, for a moment.
If you’d all refer to ‘Top ten images of irony’, you’ll see comment number 12, namely:
“they are saying he has lost his moral balance, whilst they support terrorist bombings of innocent people.”
The ‘they’ he is referring to are people in burkhas. Nothing more.
Also, he says, in comment 38:
“it is about the fact that we hear virtually nothing from Islamic people in protest to their own people about the immoral terrorist attacks and threats”
That’s funny jfrater – at number one on this list there is clearly a photo of “a conference of Muslims against Terrorism.” That must have taken all of twenty seconds to google.
Please do with these what you will. Has jfrater changed his mind now, or is this current list simply an attempt to appear tolerant?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 am
You need to correct #2:
Muslims did propagate Islam ‘by sword’ in India during the Mughal rule. For Example – Akbar, the Great:
Contrary to popular belief Akbar, continued the policy of Babur and Humayun in the destruction of Hindu temples. It is recorded by Bayazid Biyat, personal attendant of Humayun, that Akbar gave two villages for the upkeep of a mosque and a Madrasa which was setup by destroying a Hindu temple, this was done under the supervision of ‘Todar Mal’ who was highly regarded Hindu minister (vizir) of Akbar. Akbar’s army was responsible for demolition of rich Hindu temples which had gold idols in the Doab region between Ganga and Yamuna. Historian Abd al-Qadir Badauni records that during Akbar’s reign at Nagarkot, near Kangra, 200 cows were slaughtered, numerous Hindus killed and a temple was demolished.
Akbar spread Islam in India by waging a holy war (Jihad) against Hindu kings. During the siege of Chittor in 1567 CE, 8000 rajputs had remained inside the fort to defend various temples after the cavalry sallied out to meet Akbar’s army in the plain below. These 8000 died fighting to the last man in defense of Hindu temples when Akbar’s army stormed the fort and attacked the temples. In addition there were 30,000 plus Hindu peasants inside the fort who were unarmed and massacred in cold blood by Akbar’s forces by his order on February 24, 1568 CE.
Jizya (tax on non-muslims) was repealed in 1562 by Akbar but was reinstated in 1575 before being again repealed in 1580. This tax had been used as a weapon by Muslim rulers in India to convert poor Hindus to the fold of Islam because this tax could not be imposed on Muslims. This tax caused most burden on the poor, and on their inability to pay the poor Hindus faced execution but by converting to Islam their life was spared.
During Akbar’s reign, his general Husain Khan ‘Tukriya’ forcibly made non-Muslims (Hindus) wear discriminatory patches of different colours on their shoulders or sleeves.
And this was the most tolerant of Indian muslims rulers. So, in a way, your claim that Islam didn’t spread by sword is wrong – at least in India.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:44 am
You know what I hate? I hate it when folks start a holy book “quote” war. All manner of bad behavior can be justified by pulling random quotes out of context, crap sometimes in context – either in the Bible or the Quran. All you have to do is look hard enough. Pretty sure that the Westboro Baptists, hate-mongering Christian racist/survivalists, serial child abuser Warren Jeffs and his sicko posse can all quote scripture that “proves” their conduct is anointed by God.
DeBakey – speaking of Pakistan, have you not been paying attention to the news? When the Pakistani government made concessions to the Taliban the general populace had a fit. The 97% Islamic general populace. There is hope that the tide of fundementalism can be thwarted.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
@jimibauer24 (71):
Very well said. You only need look to Londonstan to see what modern Islam brings to a society.
@mom424 (74):
And you’re right about the quote war. The main difference however is that the majority of modern practitioners of Christianity have left “stoning adulterers” and other barbaric treatment of the bible in the dark ages, but followers of the Koran are forced to still live in a world of stoning and other such barbarism as laid on in their ancient holy text.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
great list!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 am
7raul7: Do you live in an alterate universe?
Show the examples of rampant atrocities of minorities in India. While India doesn’t have a clean slate on human rights, India has treated it’s minorities with more than kid gloves.
Otherwise, tell me one country where the Prime Minister of the Country make a statement – The first right of resources belong to Muslims. Show me one country where the minority get affirmative policies even thought they ruled the country not so long ago. Why the blindness to the affirmative action benefits to Muslims and Christians?
There have been escalations – 1984 Sikh riots, 1992 Post-Babri Masjid demolition riots, 2002 Gujarat Riots, 2009 Kandhamal Riots but don’t for one second think that the minorities are faultless in this. Seriously:
* Muslims didn’t think that burning 60 hindus in a rail compartment will not invite anger against them?
* Christians didn’t think conversion by force, coercion or money wouldn’t invite backlash?
Is the Hindu extremists reaction for these event justifiable? HELL, NO. Each one of the folks that participated in these riots has a special place reserved for him/her in HELL. But acknowledge that the minorities aren’t faultless.
Anyways, I don’t India has to answer or respond to a group of folks who don’t even have the decency of allowing other religions to build worship areas. Does Saudi Arabia allow Churches/Temples to be built? Any country in the Middle-East?
I have a question for Muslims, esp. in India:
* What is so special about Babri Masjid (a Masjid where prayers haven’t been conducted since 1847!). How can you object to building a TEMPLE in the BIRTH PLACE of RAM – one of the main Gods in Hinduism. How would Muslims react if the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi was demolished and a church/temple built over it? Will you not object?
* In 2008, the Government of Kashmir decided to allocate 65 acres of land to a Temple Trust to build accomodation facilities for pilgrims in Amarnath Yatra. The Muslims objected to this? Why? Can you come up with a good reason?
* And for Christians, why the need to construct Churches right next to important Hindu Temples in the state of Andhra Pradesh (is it a surprise that the CM of the state is a converted Christian!)?
Muslims (in India) need to show tolerance & goodwill to Hindus before they demand the same!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 am
No no no no no no no. This list is not a ‘very important list in todays society’(#19). Yes, Islam is somewhat a misunderstood and distorted religion in the west, however, it is not a peaceful religion. The penalty for Apostasy in Islamic countries is the death penalty.
A list that would be truly important in todays society is one which exposed the ridiculous nature of religion, all religions.
I can understand why people would have been religious. In the 4th century B.C when man first realised the awesome life giving authority of the sun, and the miraculous movement and power of the stars, it is understandable why early civilisations would have seen these objects as things to be worshiped. The sun makes the crops grow and keeps you safe from the predator filled darkness, why would you not worship it. Even right through to the middle ages when the mysteries of life, ‘How it came to be’, ‘Where did we come from’, ‘how does life work’, these sorts of questions were still completely incomprehensible, it seems reasonable to attribute them to a creator of one kind or another.
However there are no excuses in todays world. The myths that religion once spread through the world have been proven to be just that, myths. Religion was merely a filler until we found the real answers, and now we have, in the form of science.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Wow, this list can be debated about forever…
And because I’m so kind, I’ll include my little bit =)
It was a good list. I’m not sure if all the facts etc are correct, but I am always in favour of something -anything- that might make people more tolerant towards things they don’t know or understand – including the islam.
As I see it, the islam is ‘just’ another religion. There are extremists and good and bad points, like every other religion has. There are things in the islam I don’t agree with, just as there are things in christianity which I don’t agree with.
The problem with the world’s perception of the islam is that we don’t really hear about the regular, tolerant muslim man from down the street. No, we only hear about the worst side, because that is simply the side that has the most influence.
It’s logical, but I think people shouldn’t make judgements based on such limited knowledge. It has always been one of the things I have ‘fought’ most for – I grew up in a predominantly islamic neighbourhood in the Netherlands (or I suppose the better description would be a non-Dutch neighbourhood) and I could get very angry when people were bullied (I was a child back then, so bullied is the right word) for what they believed, no matter if they were Jewish, muslim or atheist. And it can still make me pretty angry – thank god I don’t have to deal with many people like that.
When I was a child (I should clarify that I am 16 now, so I mean when I was about 10 years old) there was an Afghani family in my neighbourhood with 7 (later
kids. They all lived in a small apartment but they were so kind.
My mother and I once brought them a bunk bed we didn’t use anymore (and since they have so many children, we thought they could use it) and we left about 3 hours later with naan (which was SO GOOD), crisps, and our bellies full of tea and food. I’ve never found any Dutch family to be so hospitable. I think that was one of the best things of growing up in such a diverse neighbourhood – you learn the good and bad things about every culture, and to me, the hospitality people from other cultures display.
I make a distinction between religion and culture, which I why I said that you learn the good and bad things about every culture, because in this case, I think religion played quite a big role.
.. I’ll stop now. I’m confusing myself xD
July 10th, 2009 at 5:12 am
#70- Excuse me. I have to take offense as a Catholic. The church and the priests did NOT aid Nazi generals in escaping. One of the largest groups in concentration camps, after the Jews, was Catholics. Remember, Germany was and is a predominantly Lutheran country, and Lutherans do NOT like Catholics.
If it doesn’t already exist, someone ought to write a list showing misconceptions about the Catholic Church. I’m not stupid enough to ignore some of the major wrong doings that the Church did (Inquisition much?), but like with the generalizations about Muslims due to the extremists, people think it’s OK to make fun of the Catholic Church because of a FEW (less than 1%) pedophiles and some poorly “researched” books from Dan Brown.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:13 am
There are definitely some misconceptions about Islam, but this list is also bias, and cannot represent the Islam in a honest way.
I believe this list is forcibly published just because some people were starting to see this site as a grand conspiracy against Muslims.
And while I do agree that there are Muslim folks out there that are good and kind people, most of them are very narrow minded and traditional (in a bad way). Can someone please explain me why are all of their women have covered face?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 am
@dr. Hannibal Lecter (70):
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I did not write my statement based on the actions of leaders of religions but the actual religions themselves. of course there were many corrupt clergy of all faiths as this is human nature but this does not mean they are right nor does it mean the text is wrong.you would find for example alot of despicable christian rulers but does that mean they were good christians? the same applies with hindus and buddhists.The leaders of Islam however are evil again and again beacuse they are backed morally by thier so called holy book.
as for your comment on catholic cardinals helping Nazis this is an abject lie in fact Hitler persecuted Christian cardinals- a lesser known fact that seems to have been forgotten.I write all of this backed by facts
July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 am
I am terribly sorry, but I will have to disagree. The Ottoman empire conquered all of the Balkans and tried to impose Islam on the native population in violent ways. Do not try to rewrite history, please.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 am
“Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
And how exactly did it appear on the world stage? I would wager that a majority of Christians (or anyone else’s, for that matter) introduction to Islam was the result of an Islamic terrorist action.
My question is why there hasn’t been a loud vocal outcry from the Islamic community against such actions. Seems to me that if they want to salvage the image of Islam that some concerted effort to set the record straight ought to be widespread. I’m just not hearing this. Is it because of fear? Apathy? Or do moderate Muslims secretly applaud the cause of extremism in order to convert the world to Islam?
Speak up to prove this wrong!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:22 am
@archiealt: So please explain to me what caused the Big Bang. I´m not saying that a supernatural force was involved, but just trying to prove that science has yet to give us all the answers.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 am
This was one of the best list that I have read on this website. Great job!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 am
this list is mostly nonsense. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it” you must not live in the west where it is punishable by law to slander them and they have mosques,schools and respect in most christian countries. also perhaps they were insulted but thats probably because they ruthlessly attacked christian lands for centuries carving an islamic empire. they impsosed massive taxes on non muslims and all important positions were muslim only yet you say they were not spread by the sword. read a history book. the mongols, a warlike and conquering race converted to islam- i wonder why (similiarities perhaps). how does some muslim countries taking part in beauty contests cancel out the fact men and women are segregated in islam, women in some countries cant leave the house unescorted, rape is legal and they have to cover everything but the eyes with stoning as punishment.
The fact that 50 year old mohammeds bride had reached puberty does not change the fact she was nine and he is by definition a pedo
July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 am
@Ellis21 (89):
you’ll lose your bet:)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 am
apepper,
Obama was beign called a Muslim because hsi middle name. Hussein was teh son of Ali. It is not a name you woudl really call anyone who was a non-Muslim. Calling him terrorist was not correct but he may have been a Muslim as a kid. The idea is that he constantly denies it when there may be some evidence.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 am
this list is mostly nonsense. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it” you must not live in the west where it is punishable by law to slander them and they have mosques,schools and respect in most christian countries. also perhaps they were insulted but thats probably because they ruthlessly attacked christian lands for centuries carving an islamic empire. they impsosed massive taxes on non muslims and all important positions were muslim only yet you say they were not spread by the sword. read a history book. the mongols, a warlike and
conquering race converted to islam- i wonder why (similiarities perhaps). how does some muslim countries taking part in beauty contests cancel out the fact men and women are segregated in islam, women in some countries cant leave the house unescorted, rape is legal and they have to cover everything but the eyes with stoning as punishment.
The fact that 50 year old mohammeds bride had reached puberty does not change the fact she was nine and he is by definition a pedo.
p.s many theories to big bangs cause so dont dismiss science when you havent done your research people
July 10th, 2009 at 5:42 am
i dont know shit yet you didnt disprove anything i said cause its all fact
July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Ellis 21 (89): I neither hate Islam not dislike Muslims.
As individuals – they are no different than most of us & interact as well as any other group around them.
The problem comes when the behavior of a group of Muslims is examined. For some reason, the moderate lose out & the extremist elements impose their ideas, thoughts & edict on the whole group. Why? I have no idea.
BTW, i think all religious are equal & ALL PATHS lead to the ONE GOD that the people of the particular faith believes in. I consider no path to be superior or inferior to another. Be it, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism – all are EQUAL!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Nothing wrong with most religions. Its the fact that most followers of the abrahamic religions don’t read their own holy book.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 am
People will always use religion to justify hate, bigotry, crime, murder and discrimination. Just because the Bible says “love thy neighbour” does not mean it wasn’t once used to execute millions of innocent, good people as “heretics”. Similarly, just because – if you REALLY STUDY it – the Koran is warm and fuzzy, doesn’t mean that millions of people aren’t using it TODAY to justify murder, terrorism, discrimination, hate and war.
There are a lot of wonderful, good people in the world. Some of them are Christian. Some are Muslim. Some are Buddhist, Wiccan, Atheist, or whatever. But while religion gives hope and guidance to many people, its destructive effects which continue to poison society will greatly outweigh its benefits.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 am
@topdawg (92):
to top dawg I reckon alexman knows more “shit” then youve ever said in your life.like he said get a history book and read some “shit”. that will stop you from talking from your arse again
July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 am
@topdawg (92): yet you ARE sitting in your house spewing crap. fool
July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 am
@topdawg (102): you call us all these insults yet your doing the same thing as us you stupid hypocrit moron. you keep coming back saying childish things yet when we come back we’re geeks. how does that work. plus our arguments at least have evidence.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 am
@topdawg (102):
hahaha thanks for concern but I can look after myself.I meet losers like you every day and its funny because your a damn idiot and I dont have time to waste on you. have a nice life:)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 am
@topdawg (105): lol your basically the most ignorant and stupid person on here. you hate jews and atheists – two entire belief groups yet i;m stupid for debating a couple of the things said in this list. not wasting my time anymore with this crap. byzee bye
July 10th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Isn’t this list more about the theology of Islam and not the people who practice it? Just saying, if it’s meant to be objective then it’s not really about the Muslim people.
I definitely think this list is selective in information. Don’t many holy texts contain a multitude of hypocrisies? You can argue all day and quote as many holy texts as you want but it will still get you nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Haha I feel a sudden urge to go hug some muslims now xD
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 am
WELL DONE and THANKS for composing this, The Duke Capone and jfrater for publishing this. It goes to show how there are a handful of people who takes a religion out of context and misrepresents it, and that there are many more others who only sees and believes the misrepresentation.
IN ADDITION:
#3: the HIJAB is a cultural thing. If one goes to South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Nepal), they’ll see that most Muslim women do not wear the hijab (or covers their hair at all). In fact, some women in the Indian subcontinent wear what is deemed by others as “sexy” clothing (e.g. the saree which reveals the mid-section and sometimes parts of the shoulder, chest, cleavage, back and legs). Most Muslim women only covers their hair whilst praying and even then some hair may be shown. Some women choose not to cover their whilst praying at home with their family. Most use a scarf, shawl or pallu to cover their hair instead of a hijab. The forearm, neck, face and just below the knee doesn’t have to covered whilst praying. They can pray alongside men at home (instead of behind). Men [with short hair] doesn’t have to cover their hair [with a topee/taqiyah/tufi (skull cap)] whilst praying, but the rest of the body has to be no more revealing as the women.
http://www.tasveerghar.net/mstereo/Womangreen.jpg
#1: You forgot the sixth of The Ten Commandments – “Thou shall not kill”.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 am
@Moose:
I have to take offense as a person with a pair of eyes: http://www.churchofgodhalifax.org/newsletter-hitler-the-roman-catholic.htm
Or, better yet, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=catholic+nazi+germany+ratlines
@a state of ignorance:
Take a look at the first link above: (6) Hitler never renounced his Roman Catholicism; “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so” he remarked to one of his generals, and his Church never excommunicated him.
While I agree with you that they are “bad Christians”, it’s the same with Islam. Pope and his “crew” have learned to wear golden robes and be discreet about their crimes. The only distinction between them and mafia is the fact that mafia doesn’t pretend to be morally superior.
Honestly, we could talk equally about Christianity and Islam for a very long time (I’m from an “extremist Catholic” country – Croatia – so I debate about it often), but frankly I don’t want to. They make me sick even more than any other religion in the world. This is my personal opinion. You may not like it, but I’m not trying to force it upon you (unlike religions).
July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Hey there. This seems a timely list (as usual JF) given a few of the comments on the ‘Childrens Issues’ list a couple back. While I agree that the bias of this list was to promote Islam; and that an equally biased list could be made to ridicule it; I think the list at least enstablishes a common ground for open debate. There are many things we need to appreciate when trying to understand this issue. First of all; we don’t know everything. Secondly; people are free to make up their own minds. Thirdly; quotes from 2,000 year old books can be misconstrued either way, and that we have movied beyond some of those concepts. And finally; don’t believe the hype.
Thankfully – and this is a big plus for me – there have been quite a few commenters who can plainly see beyond government spin, social dogma and network propaganda, and on both sides of the field. (yes, this is going on on many sides). The game is information; and the information war is being won by the citizens. In that sense, the players on the field are playing for the same team. Humanity.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 am
You also forgot the HUR (black-haired, green-eyed virgins received when a person goes to heaven upon [last] Judgement Day. Many Muslims see it as a metaphor which describes how beautiful heaven is and not an accurate visual representation.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am
There is a new movie “The Stoning of Soraya M” that depicts the barbarism that women in that part of the world face. It is a true story of a woman who was falsely accused of adultery because her husband wanted to marry a 14 year old. I want to see it, but am afraid I won’t have the stomach.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 am
@ topdawg: please leave!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 am
How about we all just drop religion and call it a day.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I bet this list will get 200 comments before lunchtime…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Why is it that everytime I come to this site, there’s always a bunch of idiots wasting their time trying to give advice or prove a point? You are all losers. This will be my last comment on this site because I choose to actually go outside and do something rather than site in here like you miserable disgraces to humanity.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 am
@ topdawg:
“little grasshopper”? You dont want to go there boy!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Interesting choice of list, The Duke Capone. Not sure that I agree with some of this list. It did have a one-sided feel to it.
Religion to me is a shield people use to justify their negative actions. Too much hate is allowed in the name of religion. “Mine is better than yours” attitude.
It didn’t take long before that came out in the comments here.
I have started to study about Islam to get a better understanding but find it and Christianity….tedious at best.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 am
@YourMomSaidHi (132): Do you mean my little picture? No..not gay. I’m a woman who is a yaoi fan. Hope that sorts you out.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
@topdawg: You’ve got some serious issues, kid. You might want to consider a psychiatrist before it’s too late.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
@132
I thought #128 was going to be your last comment?
xD
July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 am
@Lifeschool (114): Beautiful! Well said.
I was so pleased to see this list published here. The recent list about “Terrible Issues Facing Children Worldwide” from Rushfan inspired an incredible amount of debate about the Islamic faith. This list is a good place to open up the conversation, both ugly and inspired.
@The Duke Capone (49): Thank you for presenting this list. You obviously put a lot of effort into it.
To those who criticize this as being biased, I think that The Duke Capone was open to the negative side as well, as evidenced by this comment from list item #3, “And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law.”
Speaking of List #3, I understand that the photo of the woman in the bikini was most likely used to show a contrast to the usual image of women in burkas, but to my way of thinking I wouldn’t say that beauty contests are a true representation of woman’s rights. A more positive photo may have been to show a Muslim woman in business attire or at her studies in school. But I get it that the idea that she’s free to dress as she wishes might be a positive thing in comparison to severe restriction in choice.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 am
@Rushfan(77): Yeah, well stoning and beheading still occurs in Saudi Arabia and that’s one hell of an extremist country altogether, followers of Islam or not. All Muslims aren’t like them. Your tone however, suggests otherwise and that makes my blood boil, frankly. You write lists which move people, so spare some feelings, ayte?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:26 am
@ 140:
Hey dont use my name!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 am
@Travis (148): I know it’s not you nor me. Troll figured out how to use the change the nic on wordpress. That’s fine. He has been reported.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:31 am
DrakeS is right (#75 & 76), us Jews are terrible. As a Jew from the Anti-Semitic Order of self-loathers, I can honestly say we are just the worst. There is no denying it when you can quote some obscure, random passage from a FICTION novel written by one Jewish person in 1924. I especially love the way a three-line patchwork of out-of-context statements spans across pages 152, 155, and then back to page 147. DrakeS, thank you for enlightening us with your wisdom and far-superior intellectual insights; I think I speak for us all here at the List Universe when I say that your comments have made me just a little more betterer, both inside and out.
What a tool.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
No matter the age of puberty, marrying a 9 year old is still pedophilia, child molestation and abuse. SICK.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Interesting and well written list. However, most religions, including Islam and Christianity have been twisted and made to serve a bunch of jerks who want to bend the will of others to their rigid mindset. (Is that the same as wanting to control the world?)
The crusades did not just happen, the inquisitions did not just happen. The Beirut bombing did not just happen. 9-11 did not just happen. These all occurred because evil men wanted to to destroy and control others. The countries that practice rigid Sharia law treat women and children like animals, and there is NO justification for any of this.
The Quran is a great book, as is the bible, but it is the actions of men that are not great.
I am a militant agnostic: I don’t know, and either do you.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
“While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia.”
I’ve never posted here before, but this statement is just too ridiculous not to comment upon. Marrying a NINE-YEAR-OLD does *not* constitute pedophilia? The reasons given are: a.) she supposedly hit puberty, and b.) the culture at the time did not consider it pedophilia.
What a culture chooses to label something (or not label something, in this instance) is irrelevant; the man slept with a NINE-YEAR-OLD. I don’t care if she got her period, I don’t care if that culture (like countless others, including, of course, many non-Islamic cultures) is so f*cked-up that they think a grown man having sex with a NINE-YEAR-OLD is ok, the facts remain the same: she was NINE years old. If that doesn’t constitute pedophilia, I would hate to consder what does. Five years old? Four? Oh wait, as long as they’ve got their period it’s A-OK.
Political correctness can serve a lot of necessary purposes, but excusing pedophilia as simply “part of a culture, therefore it’s ok” should generally not be one of them.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
The comments on this list are just bizzare.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Sex with a nine year old is SICK!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Thank you soo Much for the List
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
well i was enjoying reading the comments before it turned into a really silly argument there at the end.
i think it’s important to remember that some of the verses to abrogate others, they were revealed at different times. God was instructing Muhammad while responding and reacting to the things that were going on around him at the same time. Hence the verses that call for peace and others that call for violent action. This not only applies to violence and self defense… there are contradicting verses about the use of alcohol as well.
i think the veil is widely seen as a horrific punishment and burden on women to people in the west but i’ve read articles by muslim women who say that it helps them feel more comfortable in public. they can walk down the street and men or would-be attackers can see that they are devout women and so leave them alone.
the qur’an doesn’t call for a burqa. it calls for the hair and bosom to be covered. we ask our girls in american public schools to cover their bosoms, right? and covering up in the desert sounds smart to me what with all the sand and sun.
i understand the sensitivity felt in the west when discussing islam but as others have said, it truly is a case of a few bad apples ruining it for the majority.
the hateful comments about muslims, jews and catholics are just unnecessary.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
@oouchan (154): Sure, I like tea.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Gimme a freakin break. Nice revisionism..
July 10th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Fantastic list. I myself never took the time to fully understand the islamic religion or community. I knew that not all of them were terrorists; just a small, small percentage. I mean, muslism are probably the most intolerated, prejudiced people in America today. The media has slandered and destroyed their peaceful image, and replaced it with violence and barbaric actions. Isn’t one of the first words learned is “Salam,” which means peace?
Definitely going to share this list, it’s eye-opening.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Let’s get an atheist list next. I’m dying for a good believer / non-believer debate.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:59 am
@What? (72): I stand by all my previous comments – I don’t consider myself fickle. But I do consider myself fair and this submitted list was well presented and interesting – thus I felt it worth publishing. In all fairness I do think that some items turn a blind eye to reality but I knew that the majority of comments here would balance things out in a good way (which has happened) because most of our commenters sre intelligent and objective.
Of all people I would have thought you would be pleased by this list – instead you merely wish to use it against me. That is unfortunate.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:01 am
THE AGE OF MARY, MOTHER OF JESUS, WAS 12 WHEN SHE MARRIED 90 YEAR OLD JOSEPH!! JOSEPH WAS FORTY WHEN HE MARRIED MELCHA(ESCHA), THEY LIVED FORTY NINE YEARS TOGETHER AND HAD 6 CHILDREN… AFTERWARDS HE WOULD MARRY MARY!
HOW CAN A CHRISTIAN SLANDER PROPHET MUHAMMED AFTER READING THE ABOVE??
WE ALL HAVE TO LEARN TO STOP JUDGING EVERYTHING BY MODERN STANDARDS!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 am
excerpts from the “peaceful” religion (Quran)
ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred… (8:65)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . .
NICE!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 am
@jfrater (169): Glad you popped in. I wasn’t going to dignify What?’s post. What a way to turn it against you.
BTW…are you going to remove the troll’s comments above? The ones he hijacked our names for?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:05 am
i think i got all the different religions mixed up… but i’m sure some of those misconceptions are correct in other religions, just can’t remember what, i’d appreciate if you told me where the misconceptions came from =)
July 10th, 2009 at 7:06 am
@Moose (82): I absolutely will be writing a list of misconceptions about the Catholic Church
rest assured
July 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
@mastermind357: Haven´t heard that before? Please could you give me some historical evidence for your comment or are you just another troll that seem to be littering these comments. Sorry if your not.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Didn’t take long for the comments to devolve into a bunch of monkeys on a keyboard did it?
That said:
@Nicosia (121):
A woman from work just saw that and was talking about it. She said it is violent, but wonderfully done. Her husband also works with us and is pretty quiet and reserved and she said he couldn’t stop talking about it for hours after. I’m interested in seeing it. I’ll let you know if I do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:10 am
@ Jfrater:
I agree with oouchan (172), someone used our names to say stupid things!! Those comments should be removed! I didnt write comments 140, 147, 150!!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Rushfan: Not everywhere, a common mistake. There are progressive Muslim countries too, where stoning is not a way of life. Much of what is considered religious stupidity is no such thing – it’s just stupidity. How’s about Penis curses? and killing of Albino’s in Africa? It’s ignorance disguised as Religion that causes the grief. My personal experience with Muslims has been uniformly wonderful. Because of course these folks aren’t ignorant – they know better. It’ll come. Also Rushy it depends where you live eh? Ask some of the Jehova’s Witnesses how much personal freedom they have. And the crap that their women are supposed to put up with or turn the other cheek to? Also pretty sure that it wasn’t Muslims that killed 6 million people not that long ago. Muslims do not corner the market in barbarism.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Every religion has shed blood because every religion believes that they’re right and the rest of the world must join them or be terminated. Is there another name we can give to the extreme-Islamists who beat their women, take away their rights, cover them head to toe, and kill infidels other than Islam/Muslims? Then the “good” Muslims can be happy, and the extremists can meet in a conference center to come up with a new name, and then we can bomb it?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I really enjoyed this list. My brother recently converted to Islam and the rest of my family (all christians) quoted many of these misconceptions to try to divert him. It’s opened my eyes and hopefully will do the same to my family.
Thanks again!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:26 am
This is bullshit. Go visit Iran and then go on about women’s rights, forced marriages, etc. Go to Saudi-Arabia and see what you get for abandoning Islamic faith. Homosexuals? Adulters? STONE THE MOTHERFUCKERS. TO DEATH. THAT IS ISLAM, FUCK YEAH!
And those people who say: “It is the acts of a minority that make the majority of Muslims look bad.” Bullshit. Why doesn’t the majority of those peaceful Muslims take any action? The fundamentalists are the ones who voice their opinions and in general are the ones ruling islamic countries.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Another misconception:
Muslims and Sikhs are NOT the same religion. In fact a Sikh was shot after 9/11 in a hate crime because it was thought he was muslim because of the turbin and beard. Different religeons
July 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
troll comments are gone. Quoted comment numbers will be out of sync now sorry – but better that than some of the vitriolic junk that was being spewed!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Wooly – only if you can find a way to do the same thing with bad Christians and bad Jewish folks and bad secular folks.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
NORMAN: I cant find the exact link but u can find it on this link….
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7567922/10-Easy-Steps-Refuting-Slander-Against-Prophet-Muhammed-pbuh-Marriage-to-Aisha
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
LMAO,,,, muslims are worse,,, no christians are worse,,, both of them suck and use their religion for terrible purposes and i’m not talking historicly i’m talkin about right now,,,, Yes SOME muslims use islam to gather terrorist but jeez christians use their religion to control everyones lives you hear way more about christians trying to control things than muslims i,e, abortion, gay marriage, what ever happened to seperation of church and state???
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 am
PROOFS FOR COMMENT 134!!!!!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7567922/10-Easy-Steps-Refuting-Slander-Against-Prophet-Muhammed-pbuh-Marriage-to-Aisha
July 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am
i like my religion better we believe its wrong to judge someone for what they believe in and just be happy they found their way to god
July 10th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Matermind – Please stop yelling. Calm reasoned discourse ftw! OK?
It is unfortunate that these folks aren’t a little more vocal/publicized/in the spot light. We mightn’t need a list like this if that was the case.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration
July 10th, 2009 at 7:49 am
@jfrater (147): Yay! Thank you. I feel much better…felt kinda dirty that he was using my name, and I know Travis felt the same. Thanks.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
@jfrater (147): You missed number 117. That wasn’t me either.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am
MOM424: HOW CAN YOU “YELL” ON A COMPUTER. WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ON THE SAME CONTINENT BUT YOU SAY I AM YELLING, R U SERIOUS? LOL. IT’S CALLED CAPS LOCK–I THINK YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF OCD IF IT IS BOTHERING YOU THAT MUCH LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
mom424: I will refrain from caps lock if it makes you happier… why??? because that is the “islamic” thing to do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Thank you for this list. As a Christian living in the Bible Belt, I hear much of the negative views of Islam, and it saddens me that people seek out to destroy what they don’t understand. It would irritate me if the entire world were to view Christianity by only seeing footage of an extremist such as David Koresh, so I do believe that the majority of Muslims aren’t extreme and deserve to worship in their own way.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
It’s entirely irritating mastermind357. Please refrain. and do remember I have earned the flashy colour my posts appear with. Please take the time to read our posting faq – http://listverse.com/comment-faq/ – specifically item 8.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:02 am
mom424: ok….. never knew that it offended people, thats my fault.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:05 am
What about the Islamic judge who just ruled it OK to beat your wife if she spends your money?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:08 am
mastermind357: No problem, apologies accepted. Besides if you want people to actually pay attention to your comments (at least people who read and think – the only ones that matter imo) and give them any weight whatsoever, it is best not to offend them – unless of course you’re Randall.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Where is the feedback from the people who hate islam???
the age of mary, mother of jesus, was 12 when she married 90 year old joseph!! joseph was forty when he married melcha(escha), they lived forty nine years together and had 6 children… afterwards he would marry mary!
how can a christian slander prophet muhammed after reading the above??
we all have to learn to stop judging everything by modern standards!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
JJ (150)- Christians do not control abortion or gay marriage. And when a vote is put upon the issues, I will vote for them, even though I am a Christian. But I’m also an American, so I think people should be free to pursue their own happiness. That is where separation of church and state come in…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:14 am
What about the Islamic judge who just ruled it OK to beat your wife if she spends your money?
last time I checked an islamic judge doesn’t represent a entire religion consisting of about 2 billion followers.
what about the southern christian judges who acquitted numerous kkk members when they lynched and terrorized blacks?
cant blame that on christians or muslims genius.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Interesting article. It is a pity that it contains so many factual errors. Let’s look at a few:
“Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
Perhaps someone could point me to some ancient souce that records anything of the kind, prior to the Moslems attacking the rest of the world, and seizing Palestine, Syria and Egypt? As far as I know, the Christians paid NO ATTENTION to Islam until the Moslems attacked them.
“‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name.”
That’s because the Arabic language doesn’t contain another word. But the Arabic-speaking Christians do NOT call God “Allah.” In J.H.Watson’s book, “Among the Copts” is an interview where he asks a Coptic bishop precisely this question; do you worship the same God? He indignantly denies it. Then, switching to *English*, says “I am not a Moslem”. He has to say this in English, because the Arabic language is so hard-wired to Islam that to say the same in Arabic would be equivalent to saying “I am godless.”
“All Muslims are Arabs”.
I doubt this is a “common misconception,” if only because of the number of Pakistani Moslems around.
As for Arabs who are Christians… do they call themselves “Arabs”? The Copts do not, even though they speak Arabic. Again, see Watson on this.
“However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God.”
This extended to smashing up his tomb in Jerusalem during the middle ages.
“Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths.”
A look at the History of the Patriarchs of the Coptic Church of Alexandria will show how sickening this falsehood is. Look at part 2 of the biography of Cyril ibn Laqlaq (online) for a long and detailed account of how the Copts were discriminated against and persecuted; and this under a tolerant Moslem government which they supported fairly enthusiastically.
“There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities.”
Which makes it curious, then, how many mosques were and are churches seized by Moslems. We might point to Hagia Sophia, for instance, or the Italian cathedral in Tripoli today.
Omar also imposed a special tax on all non-Moslems. Curious that this was not mentioned. He didn’t “create special courts for non-Moslems”; he created courts for Moslems, in which the testimony of Moslems would always trump that of non-believers. Again, if you look at the accounts in the contemporary History of the Patriarchs, repeatedly there are examples of how Copts convert to Islam in order to obtain legal advantage.
We might ask how Omar became ruler of Jerusalem. He captured it by violence, of course, from the Christians. It is depressing to see this elided in the smooth words “was ruler”.
“Jihad means to fight for the sake of god…. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are … and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword)”.
Indeed so.
“During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army”
He also executed numbers of their leaders and marched most of them off into slavery.
“There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive.”
Such an opinion could hardly be stated in Saudi Arabia, so this is not a mainstream Moslem view.
“There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam.”
Islam was certainly spread by violence, and Moslems still use violence to obtain their demands, which include the advancement of Islam. The wording here is somewhat disingenuous, it seems to me. The first Moslems did not try to convert the people they conquered; they just plundered them, set them up as legally inferior, and allowed time and discrimination to do the rest.
Perhaps we might reflect that Moslems never allow Moslems to convert to Christianity. In Egypt today it is illegal, and those who do so do it at the risk of their lives. The sword as an emblem of Islam is entirely justified.
“Muslims are terrorists; This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives.”
I can’t hear you over the sound of suicide bombing.
“Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention”
… and other Moslems do not condemn them, and indeed take advantage of this to make further demands, proffer threats of “action”, and so on. The idea that the media discriminates against Islam is curious; political correctness stifles criticism of Islam. If Moslems were not engaged in terror activities all the time, so incessant and so general that even the PC lot cannot deny it — it’s hard to deny it when the bombs are going off on TV before everyone’s eyes — they would never be mentioned negatively at all.
Moslems, it would seem, want to have their cake and eat it too.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Much of these you learn playing Assassin’s Creed! LOL!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:18 am
FBI Most wanted terrorists list:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
22 out of the 24 in the list are Muslims. you can understand how peaceful that religion is…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
@OsvaL (166): That is my favorite game! Which is what got me interested in learning a little more about the area and religion. Funny how that works.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
@ mom424/jfrater: Found another one…117 Moonbeam. That’s not from him/her either.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
rpearse try to break up your questions into smaller comments, most people are not going to read that. I’ll answer one question per post.
“‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name.”
that is definitely true, any christian arab will verify this, hands down! go to google translate and type in God and translate it into arabic, it is Allah. pick up a gideons bible where they have different names of God in different languages.
“almost” everything you say about islam was was at “one time” used by Christianity. However, “popes”, clergy, and the church in general changed things over centuries…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Mike, whats the bigger number, 22 or 1.8 billion? damn, i should have paid attention in math more.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Just got home, when I read the title I thought to myself the s–t is going to hit the fan with this list, but its been pretty average ( excluding a few outbursts )UP UNTIL NOW.
I bet this list hits 220 +
July 10th, 2009 at 8:32 am
rpearse if you have all the questions, answer this. Jesus spoke aramiac right, how is the word God pronounced in aramiac?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zyICBKBPI
A jewish perspective ^^
July 10th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Fundamentalists in any religion or ideology are bad, no matter what.
It’s always a few nutcases and psychos who make the rest of us, Christian, Muslim, or whatever, look bad.
Churchill said it best,
“A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject.”
July 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I’m through here. What a load of tripe.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Just thought I’d throw this out here, how many of you actually think a terrorist is right in the head and shares the same beliefs as someone who is of perfect mental health? Point is, an insane Muslim is not going to be the same as a regular Muslim.
Also, I’ve known two people who had close ties to Islam (one was a Muslim, the other’s father was Muslim) and I’ve always heard that terrorists are in the small minority.
Basically, you can’t classify an entire religion with 10 guidelines. People are different, get over it.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
You really cant justify having sex with a 9 year old. And I think there is something weird about worshiping a pedophile, just my 2 cents.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
General Tits Von Chodehoffen: Let me guess, your an atheist right? lol
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am
@162, who said: “the age of mary, mother of jesus, was 12 when she married 90 year old joseph!! joseph was forty when he married melcha(escha), they lived forty nine years together and had 6 children… afterwards he would marry mary!”
Could you please produce your sources for this? Last time I checked, nowhere in the New Testament is the age of either Mary or Joseph mentioned or hinted. And that goes for any of those 6 children you state so vehemently that Joseph had.
PAC
PS: And, as I have said before, I’m an atheist. As a matter of fact, I do not believe that there was a christ, a Mary or a Joseph; much less that they were 12 and 90, and that he had 6 children before marrying her.
On the other hand, there are sound historic records indicating that there was a Muhammad, and that he indeed did marry a 6 years old girl and had sex with her when she turned 9. Furthermore, presently there are Muslim clerics who, using Muhammad as an example of what Allah allows, preach that it is ok for any Muslim man to marry a 9 years old girl.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I hope alot of muslims read this list and learn a bit about there own religion. I’ve been to Iraq and Afghanistan lost alot of good friends and from my personal experiances these aren’t misconceptions but truth
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Thanks for publishing this artical, it was very informational and taught me a lot about the Muslim religion. Coming from the Bible Belt I heard these misconceptions on almost a daily basis.
The only one I had never heard was about Muhammud being a pedophile – but I suppose that would be because Christian’s can’t condemn pedophilia when so many of the woman in the Bible were married at puberty.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Actually, he’s an atheist second, he’s an idiot first.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
well, technically wasn’t God a pedophile too?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I am open mined…..but this list is the most ignorant compilation of Islam facts I have ever seen. Absolutely insane! I’m done with listverse. I would have been happy had there been some sources backing up some of these claims, but no way. Not even close. Completely inaccurate! I lived in Afghanistan for a short period. I NEVER saw a young Muslim girl being encouraged to pursue an education. Not one! Don’t even get me started on all of the other stupid, yes, I mean really stupid statements made on this list. If anyone has ever lived in a Muslim country, one would know much more intimately that most, if not all, of what is stated in this list is completely and utterly fabricated.
I’m through with this site!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Assassins Creed was the bomb!!! I ended up reading all about the crusades and a heap of rulers I’ve never even heard of before!!!
There’s always gonna be religion wars isn’t there? Why can’t you all just get over yourselves for one day…
July 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
pac: These accounts are summed up in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition, which is available online, as follows:
“They lived forty-nine years together and had six children … A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph …”
And the Catholic Encyclopedia is a source apparently since they have changed things in the bible over centuries to support their causes such as saying what books should be allowed to be in the bible.
As far a being an atheist, lets say that there is no God, worst case scenerio is when we die, we just die, there is no afterlife, however, if there is a God, ur assed out, give urself a chance genius!! Life is short, u’ll be dead b4 u know it, why is it so hard to join a religion and give urself a chance 4 the short period of time we have on this earth.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
also pac, here’s a source…
The Infancy Gospel of James, Chapter 8 verse 2 to Chapter 9 verse 11
“When she [Mary] turned twelve, a group of priests took counsel together, saying, ‘Look, Mary has been in the temple of the Lord twelve years. What should we do about her now, so that she does not defile the sanctuary of the Lord our God?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You have stood at the altar of the Lord. Go in and pray about her. And if the Lord God reveals anything to you, we will do it.’ And the priest went in taking the vestment with twelve bells into the holy of holies and prayed about her. Suddenly, an angel of the Lord stood before him, saying, ‘Zachariah, Zachariah, depart from here and gather the widowers of the people and let each one carry a staff. And the one whom the Lord God points out with a sign, she will be his wife.’ So the heralds went out to the whole surrounding area of Judea and the trumpet of the Lord rang out and all the men rushed in.
Throwing down his axe, Joseph went out to meet them. And after they had gathered together with their rods, they went to the high priest. After receiving everyone’s rod, the high priest went into the temple and prayed. When he was finished with the prayer, he took the rods and went out and gave them to each man, but there was no sign among them. Finally, Joseph took his rod. Suddenly, a dove came out of the rod and stood on Joseph’s head. And the high priest said, ‘Joseph! Joseph! You have been chosen by lot to take the virgin into your own keeping.’ And Joseph replied, saying, ‘I have sons and am old, while she is young. I will not be ridiculed among the children of Israel.’ And the high priest said, ‘Joseph, fear the Lord your God and remember what God did to Dathan and Abiron and Kore, how the earth split open and swallowed them because of their rebellion. Now fear God, Joseph, so that these things do not happen in your house.’ Fearing God, Joseph took her into his own possession.”
Who’s to say what books should be included and which ones shouldnt in the bible? At one point people believed and read the books that we dont see in the bible’s today!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:25 am
backwoods bob: ur through with this site?? Good!! We wont miss u, u act like it hurts people that your leaving… don’t make a speech, just shut up and leave! Goodbye.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
a religion is always judged by its zealots. especially when the zealots break their own rules.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
No, no misconception, Muhammad didn’t marry a 9 year old girl, he married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. That is according to the most reliable Islamic hadiths, and told by that same 9 year old girl as an adult.
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Sahih Bukhari
book 62 volume 64
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
For everyone who has a problem with number 5 on the list, what was the biblical age that women or girls were allowed to marry?? And please show your proof!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I didn’t even know there were these many misconceptions about Islam ( actually I think many of misconceptions listed here are stupid ), but that’s maybe because I am a Muslim myself.
The picture in No.3 gives a false image of Islam. Women are technically not allowed to wear bikinis (or take part in such competitions that go against Islamic rules of modesty). BTW, this doesn’t mean that women are being denied their rights, actually, Islam also has a dress code for men. And yeah, its a misconception that women must wear the “head to toe hijab”. But then, there are so many branches of Islam that these rules differ from sect to sect, and some sects are actually pretty strict.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531405,00.html
MOGADISHU, Somalia — Somali Islamist insurgent fighters beheaded seven people accused of abandoning their religion and of espionage, residents said Friday, in the largest mass execution since the Islamists were chased from power two and a half years ago.
Amazing how these completely atypical, rare and unrepresentative acts keep happening, again and again. Remarkable, George Bush’s power to force Islamists to do things that are completely out of character for them, even after he’s out of power.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am
This is the first time for me to post in my favourite site.
Thank you for the long awaited topic.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am
What you conveniently left out on that same page Mastermind357 when quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia was that these writings are considered apocryphal literature, and not considered realizable or trust worthy.
Catholic Encyclopedia on Mary and Joseph’s age.
apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents; and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history from the fancies with which they are associated.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Quite frankly this is the most egregiously white washed article about Islam in recent memory.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
rick: by who’s standards are they not trustworthy? Why does the catholic bible have more books than the protestant bible? MEN not GOD decided which books will be in the bible. who says the one i quoted is not a reliable source? Its a interesting question…
July 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
A rotten apple remains a rotten apple, no matter how many times you rebrand it! the fruits of islam is all there for all to see.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am
An excellently informative list, thank you for posting it.
I think the most important point of all, and this has to do with all religions, not just Islam or Christianity, is that at their core the basis, the main reason for their existence, is to honor god.
They can all call god by different names, but, as Shakespeare said, “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”, and it’s surprising how closely the core beliefs of so many religions are to one another. It’s as if humans are programmed to treat each other in a certain way, and because the feeling is so overpowering it is suggestive of a higher power ordering them.
Or it could be something completely different (to paraphrase John Cleese).
The basis is that if followed correctly, the world’s religions would make sure we all lived together in harmony rather than in discord.
Just my 2¢
July 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am
@backwoods bob # 185 – good bye I hope the path you will follow through life will be littered with thorns.
This is a magic site where people bond and comment why did you comment in the first place if you thought some of the comments are INSANE !
Walk bare foot
July 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
To people who are quoting sayings of prophet Muhammad, the problem is that these all sayings have been passed along through generations (before they were properly recorded) and people believe some and reject others. I’ve even heard that Aisha was eleven or thirteen when she was married.
On a side note, it’s a shame that we all fight over our religion and preach it to others, and then the next day we ourselves go against it. Many of my friends fast in the month of Ramazan, and when Ramazan ends, they go on their daily schedule of cursing, watching porn, and doing other things that Islam prohibits.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“rick: by who’s standards are they not trustworthy?”
LOL, well, by the Catholics themselves, since it comes from their own Encyclopedia, Mastermind.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am
@mastermind
The Catholic Encyclopedia clearly states now (forget 1913) that the information you have put above is apocryphal. You are putting forward information with no historical foundation against the historical facts of Muhammad marrying a 6 years old girl.
Whilst I agree with you that the selection of which books were to be included in the canon and which should be rejected was subjective at best, it does not relate to the point we are discussing.
I’ve said “there are historic facts regarding Muhammad and Aisha”.
You’ve said “there are stories, which are not accepted nor historic (but who has a right to decide that!?), that state that Joseph and Mary were no better”.
In sum, you are countering facts with fairy tales. Why, Jesus in those books made birds from clay, killed child friends, and even is presented as having a VERY close relationship with a young follower. Should we accept all of these stories as fact too?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Mastermind, why do you think Allah forbade so many, common and normal, behaviors of the era back then. For example why did Allah forbid alcohol consumption? It was considered normal and common behavior back then. Why did Allah make drinking alcohol haram, but not his prophet having sex with 9year old children? Since Allah was so busy telling his followers what was permissible and what was not, why not stop the despicable act of old men having sex with children?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:02 am
i live in uk, am white non religous and. been in a relationship with a bangledeshi muslim girl for 6 years.
all the comments that relate to modern society, womens rights childrens rights, religous intolerance are in general utter rubbish.muslim society in uk is insular and run by the male religous leaders. forced marrage of girls by means of kidnapping back to the parents or grandparents village is common. i could go on there is so much wrong with muslim society in the uk.
never been tempted to comment before but this list so 50% popaganda and lies
July 10th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Rick: we can have debate this all day, but at the end of the day, there is not ONE Bible, that we can point to and say, this is correct. We have to many Bibles and too many sects to say what should be accepted and what shouldn’t.
Pac: i understand ur point of view but as far as u saying should we accept all those stories as fact too, who knows? we cant distinguish which is true and which is false. why, in two different gospels in the new testament jesus acted different when he was about to be crucified, who knows which one to believe, the jesus who cried, why have u forsaken me, or the jesus who accepted it proudly without any crying out.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I have several exemples of modern time tolerance towards non-muslim religions in muslim countries such as Turkey (the orthodox patriarch is still in Istanbul, thats like having the pope living in a muslim country for catholics) Indonesia where christians, muslims, boudhists and hindus live sometimes in the same village.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
This list is nonsense. Islam, just like Judaism and Christianity have such amazing contradictions in their respective bibles that you can find justification for anything. This is how honest, peaceful, non-violent people can be religious as well as lying, rage-filled, psychopaths can also be religious. Each can pick and choose various passages from their bibles to justify whatever actions they pursue.
Yes, Islam is a very peaceful and humanitarian religion if that is what you want to take from it. But the other side is also available to the crazy people that seek it.
“Cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!” Koran 8:12
God proclaims “I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh” Deuteronomy 32:42
July 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Though this is a fairly interesting list, there are a few cut and dry rules of shari’a that are actually quite shocking. While women in theory do have rights, their word is inadmissable in court if not approved by their man, and even if it is ‘the word of a woman is worth one half the word of a man’. Women DO need permission to interact with other men and to leave the privacy of the home. While many moderate Muslims do not practice these freakish laws, to strictly adhere to the Qur’an the rules are quite stringent and dehumanizing. Also, while it says that Islam preaches tolerance of others and other religions, it specifically says that Non-Muslims are to be treated as inferior citizens again whose word is not admissable in court, who cannot take a Muslim Partner, cannot buy Muslim land or property, and whose women cannot get educations. Fairness my ass
July 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Rick: im not understanding the question, what are u getting at?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
sooo many comments already!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Nuthin’ wrong with Islam. However, many Muslims scare me ( a left-leaning social liberal ) with their thoughts about homosexuality, and the like.
I’m scared of Muslims not because I’m a right-wing, bible-thumpin’ redneck but because I think Islam poses the greatest threat to civil liberties that have been fought for so hard over the past decades.
Like most things I guess, like the idea don’t like its followers
July 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Mastermind I’ve already shown you that you info on the age of Mary and Joseph are considered unreliable by the same source you quoted so it hasn’t anything to do with Bibles or Sects. Show me anywhere else that shows the age of Mary and Joseph at the time of their marriage?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
“Rick: im not understanding the question, what are u getting at?”
Which question is that Mastermind?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am
@207 mastermind
Yes, there are different versions, and in all of them the text is contradictory. That’s why I say that the simplest answer is that everything in the bible is just made-believe; so do not use the bible, or the apocrypha, to counter the facts discussed in this post, please. It is not about the bible or whether it is fact or fiction; it is about “misconceptions” about Islam. I have participated here using Muslim, not Christian, sources. You are trying to say that it is OK because others did it. That is not the discussion here, specially if you are countering with non-historic stories.
Pac
PS: about that tidbit about finding a religion lest I find that I was wrong when I’m dead. Pascal wager, you say? Sorry, but that argument is so passé. You need to look for better ones. Thanks for trying, anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am
@brianbcn (20): Most if not all religions are intolerant of other religions. There is something fundamentally bothersome to religious people that if you don’t believe in the God they believe in, then you are right and they are wrong. That’s intolerance.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
While this article displays accurate truths about Islam the religion, it misses the point on Islam the ideology, and tries to whitewash both. While all religions have a fundamentalist side to them, most have become significantly depoliticized, and religion as a key identity has been, for the most part, surpassed by nationality or ethnicity. However, in recent years, Islam the political system has emerged, and combines fundamentalism with fascism in forms of terror and war not seen since WWII. The Islamic political ideology (using Islam as a replacement for ethnic or national identity) is a supremacist belief system that lacks many of the more tolerant or rational characteristics of the faith itself, and in almost all cases, is extremely violent and destructive.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:25 am
“Nuthin’ wrong with Islam. However, many Muslims scare me ( a left-leaning social liberal ) with their thoughts about homosexuality, and the like. ”
Yup, if you are of that persuasion you might find yourself swinging from a boom crane or tossed of the top of a roof.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Rick: so basically anything that the catholic church considers unreliable means that it really is unreliable? Muslims believe that the bible was corrupted b/c it keeps being changed and books etc keeps getting added and taken away. Even if they mary n joseph didnt marry at that age, can u tell me the “biblical” age that women were to get married, it 4 damn sure wasnt 16 or 18. Bottom line is i was trying to prove to people that Prophet Muhammad taking himself to a 9 year old girl was the norm. We are living centuries after so things are different. i was really proving to “christians” that the “biblical” most likely corresponds with marriage younger than what we see today.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
@mastermind357 (207): Doesn’t that negate the premise that there is an all-seeing, all-knowing God up in heaven and the bible(s) are the inspired words of God? Wouldn’t that show the various bibles to be works of man, filled with errors and misconceptions and re-tellings of centuries old stories that are not at all relevant in today’s global society?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
^^”biblical marriages” ^^ is what i meant to write above
July 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am
In academia, religion is to be judged by its ideology.
In real life, religion is to be judged by its practice.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am
thanx for clarifying these things for Non-Muslims
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am
faketree78: thats why why Allah promised muslim’s that the Qur’an would never be changed… The Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
“While this article displays accurate truths about Islam the religion”
Well, according to Sahih Bukhari one of the most reliable collection of Hadiths and also many examples in the Islamic world this article isn’t totally accurate when it comes to what are considered, misconceptions.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Pac: We all know u cant debate with a atheist, just like u cant debate with a suicide bomber lol. U have nothing to live 4.
Rick: we will be debating all day, lol. It was fun.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Listverse, you have redeemed yourself. This is a fantastic list, very nice.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
“Rick: so basically anything that the catholic church considers unreliable means that it really is unreliable? ”
Whew! NO, it’s considered unreliable by the Catholic church the very same source you were using to show their ages. That’s not hard to understand. Is it?
And as for your claim that old men having sex with 9 year old children being normal, I don’t believe it was all that common.
Also, for the sake of argument lets say pedophilia was common in that time period. Why do you think Allah who came along and deemed so many common practices of that time period wrong? Like for example Allah banned the consumption of alcohol as bad even though it too was common practice. Why do you think Allah never told his prophet that sex with 9 year old children was bad also?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I think that you need to change this sentence in your introduction:
“Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
The whole point of your list is to negate what has been generalized by others as “common fact”, and yet you have generalized what you perceive to be “Christian thinking” about Islam, which is exactly what you are trying to disprove, no?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
apparently Rick, Allah didnt think marrying a 9 year old girl was wrong. And who says getting married at 16 with the consent of a parent in usa is right? Y should the age be 21? Age is just something a country chooses what is right or not, as far as marriage. I just want you to answer what is the “biblical” age that woment get married??
July 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I think many people are forgetting that the main violence being perpetuated against, and from Muslims, are from the Taliban. Many Islamic countries are fighting for the rights of their girls to go to school while the Taliban are trying to destroy those rights.
Today, in many Islamic countries, the people of other religions are paying a religious tax in order to follow their own beliefs. In America, we harassed the Muslims and their businesses. There were several news stories about it after 9/11.
Every religion has their extremists. It doesn’t mean everyone in that religion thinks the same way. I don’t bomb abortion clinics or beat up any LGBT. Do you?
In early times, it was not uncommon at all for young girls to be married to older men. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin. Does anyone remember the pictures of a naked Brooke Shields as a child? Child pornography laws are a very recent thing.
Yes there are many bad things in Muslim countries. But we need to look in the mirror first before we go around acting so smug and superior.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Mastermind, do you not think there is an incredible differnce in the phyiscal and mental development between a 9 year old, and a 16 year old. Are you acutally trying to compare the two?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I just want you to answer what is the “biblical” age that woment get married??
I don’t know what the biblical age was? What does that matter anyhow? Many historical practices were loathsome during history. Like cannibalism for example, but society has evolved passed some primitive practices. Just because at some time in history some cultures practiced it doesn’t mean it was right. That’s what all knowing Deities are suppose to do….guide there followers away form wicked behavior. Right?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Rick: lol, 16 was an example chose any age u wasnt. 5, 10, 8, im asking u what was the “biblical” age for marriage.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am
@mastermind357 (225): You should add ‘anymore’ to the end of that sentence. The Christian bible hasn’t changed in about 1200 years. But the 800 years before that it was changed and edited like the dickens. So was the Koran. That’s not very Godly.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
hmm…
its so interesting for me to read all comment in this list.
thanks for the list.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Rick: this conversation is going nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
@236
how did you know Koran was edited as well as bible??
July 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am
faketree78: the christian bible hasn’t changed in 1200 years lmao, u dont even deserve proof. pick up a book! Where was the Qur’an changed? People recite chapters from the quran 5 times a day in the same language. change???
July 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
“im asking u what was the “biblical” age for marriage.”
I don’t know, why don’t you post some authoritative studies of the normal age of “men” and women. And if at one time it was done just like cannibalism that still doesn’t make it right.
Why don’t you show me lots of examples of old men marrying 9 year old little girls, Mastermind. Make a list and I’ll review it. If the practice was so common there should be hundreds of examples to show. And when you post your list (if you can) I will condemn every old man on that list as a vile pedophile regardless of religon, creed, country time period.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Rick: ok Rick u win, its over, the conversation is going nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:02 am
LOL, of course.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am
rick: we have to agree to disagree on this one, it was a spirited debate with any name calling..
one last question Rick? if u were president, what age would u make it for men and women to be able to marry? just wondering.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
You can condemn someone all you like, that doesn’t make it wrong or you right. At the time marrying a nine year old wasn’t seen as wrong and therefore it can’t be taken as a horrible act unless you compare it to todays standards. Its not fair to use today’s moral and ethical codes to something that happened so long ago with a different set of laws. It wasn’t seen as wrong then, and therefore wasn’t.
If done today, obviously it would be different since we have a different set of codes now.
How can you condemn someone of a wrongdoing when they don’t realize that its wrong?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
If i were President, I would set the legal age to marry at 18 years old, and say 16 with both parent’s consent.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
245 Zimmers:
U hit the nail right on the head, there is nothing more to be said…
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@227 mastermind
Let me guess: you are a Muslim.
“thats why why Allah promised muslim’s that the Qur’an would never be changed… The Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed.”
Well from an atheist to a believer: get your facts right! How and when did Allah promise that? If it was through Muhammad, as I guess you might answer, then there is a problem with your statement. You see, the Qu’ran was not a book until after he had died in 632 AD. Prior to that it was recorded in a number of tablets, bones and the wide, flat ends of date palm fronds. It was only after he died when it was compiled into a book.
BUT, and here is the interesting point, in 650 AD the third caliph Uthman ibn Affan ordered the preparation of an official, standardized version. Why would he order that if the Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed?
Well, they had to decide which of all the Qu’ran versions that were around in the Muslim world were the real thing, and which ones were not. So they went over the different texts in the different versions deciding what to keep and what to discard, which is akin to what Christians did with the bible.
After an standardized, official version was completed, the other non-standard copies already in the hands of Muslims in other areas were collected and sent to Medina where, on orders of the Caliph, were destroyed by burning or boiling. Nevertheless, in 1972 a version of the Qu’ran was found in Yemen that has some variations on it; minor variations, but variations all the same.
So, in view of all of the above, where does that leave Allah’s promise not to change the Qu’ran? And doesn’t that negate the premise that there is an all-seeing, all-knowing Allah up in heaven and the Qu’ran(s) is the inspired words of Allah?
By the way, the Qu’ran is also full of contradictions and errors; the Caliph or Allah himself should have edited it better prior to final publication.
Pac
PS: As for me not having anything to live for. Do you know me? Do you know what I do, where or how? Tsk, tsk. You get your behind whipped with facts, and resort to striking back with unfounded, impolite comments. Way to go, believer! I guess your faith has taught you a lot.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@Eyeswideshut (90):
For once you get an historical evidence that there ever existed a temple there before Babri.Secondly even if there was, the demoliton was done purposefully to hurt the sentiments on the minority and the culprits of it are proud of it.Thats the difference. If you mind then please go and visit Gujarat where innumerable Mosques are being demolished but mind you no voice is being raised there coz it is being done by the consent of the locals so as to widen the roads there and facilitate easy transportation.
For Kashmir well the less India talks about it the better. The Amarnath yatra is performed ONCE in a year so why do you need a land for it? Muslims go to Haj but do they say to the Saudi Gvt that alott a piece of land to us coz we are pilgrims!
Just as you are asking the Muslims to show tolerance towards the Hindus, the vice versa also should stands valid! For the pluralistic society that every India bargs about will no longer be standing and it will end up being a sickular nation and not secular!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Terrific list! I really appreciate this list, although not as interesting as the Mystery lists and all that, it really does a fantastic job getting points across.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
“Its not fair to use today’s moral and ethical codes to something that happened so long ago”
Sorry. Any 50+ year old man who is sexually attracted to a 9 year old child, and has sex with her at that age is a pervert, period. In any age and anytime.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
pac: why are u still trying to debate me, i didnt even read what u wrote, i told u that u cant debate with an atheist… its like debating a suicide bomber. ur words are falling on deaf ears… go tell someone else. If life or death has no purpose blow ur head off, whats the worst that can happen? really, whats the worst that can happen?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I understand that the Muslim fanatics are responsible for terrorism. I know that the true Isamlic faith is a peaceful one. What bothers me is that there are 100’s or 1000’s of Isalimic congregations in America. Since 9/11/01 I have only read or heard of less than six Muslim congregations speak out puplicly against the 9/11 attack or any other terrorism. Where is the public outrage from the Muslim community? If fanatics from my religion did something even half so bad I would publicly denounce it. I wouldn’t want my religion smeared by the actions of a few fanatics. Where is the moral outrage from the Muslim community? Your silence is deafening. If you want to be appreciated in America or the West then let us know you despise the actions of the few fanatics do sit there in silence.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
troy: not trying to be impolite whatsoever, but what do u think the muslim community should do to condemn it within america? just some examples…. marches etc? jus wondering…
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
@ Troy
Any sensible Muslim would denouce such act of terrorism and they have done it time and again. But due to the bias the entire community is being looked down and has been brandished as the community of terrorist and pro-terrorism.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
In todays culture yes Rick it is wrong. But as something accepted and done rather a lot, it isn’t wrong to go with what you are taught is ok and to live by what is right in your society at the time.
Also, they are only perverted themselves if they themselves know its wrong. Did they do perverted things? Yes, but that doesn’t make them a pervert.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Mastermind will you debate with Hindus? How about Zoroastrians? What about Jews? How about Eskimos? Or is it only people of the book that you will debate with?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
JFrater can you remove this comment?: .@Moonbeam (117): – it’s not from me obviously.
Thank’s!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Guys, i think you all need to be clarified that there is a Muslim and Islam as the religion.
Muslims are human beings too, just like you, me and everyone else. That is why they are not flawless.. So if A MUSLIM makes a mistake albeit a grand mistake, it could not be said that ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD, thus making the teaching of ISLAM BAD. I totally agree that you should not judge a whole population simply by taking one or two examples.
And Guys, if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.
May God guide you all to the truth.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:23 am
@ 47 7raul7
you mention arabs are tolerant of other religions in the UAE< Kuwait and qatar and such? I spent my entire life there and until recently christians and hindus were refused to practice their religion. during ramadan, non-musilims still cant eat/drink anything outside closed spaces.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am
@194
Amazing you got that from FoxNews
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
“But as something accepted and done rather a lot, ”
OK Zimmers if it was so excepted and done a lot back them maybe you can start a list of names where old men were having sex with 9 year old children. There should be lots historical people to post. Also, do you think that all 50 year old men were sexually attracted 9 year old girls not too long ago. And if so, what time period do to you think all old men started to lose their sexual attraction to children.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
@mastermind357 (240): There are a bunch but I’ll name one. The Yemeni fragments. These were fragments of what is believed to be the earliest Koran written from between 100 and 200 AD. The text of these fragments, in some areas, are in direct conflict with the Koran that is circulated today. Kind of throws a wrench into the premise of a divinely inspired book. Here is some info on the Yemeni fragments.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran
July 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Many of these are good misconceptions to note, as Islam is as peaceful and harmonious as any other world religion in most cases.
However the one that I have to comment on is the one on women. Whether or not it is Islamic law, some Muslim countries do enforce strict regulations on the lifestyles of women. My question is, why is this practiced when Muhammad himself proclaimed them “twin halves” of men? Muslim countries giving women the right to drive and the right to “seek divorce” (a laughable right… not as good as being able to actually divorce) is hardly in accordance with Muslim belief. So this misconception is not as far from the truth as the others on this list.
Enlightening list though, I love the misconception lists.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am
@252 mastermind
Gee… so many things I can pick from your post. Where to begin?
- “why are u still trying to debate me”
Because you just keep writing nonsense.
- “i didnt even read what u wrote”.
So, you just write your thoughts regardless of what people is trying to tell you? You expect the rest of us to read your banter without returning the courtesy?
- “i told u that u cant debate with an atheist”
Oh, but I can, and do. Could you? Guess not.
- “its like debating a suicide bomber”
Please name one case in which an atheist has blown himself up. Now, if I say “u cant debate with a Muslim… its like debating a suicide bomber” I would get branded as a bigot, racist and intolerant. So I guess that is what you really are.
- “If life or death has no purpose blow ur head off, whats the worst that can happen? really, whats the worst that can happen?”
I know no atheist who would subscribe to that point of view. Matter of fact, I believe this is the only life we get, so it is precious beyond measure. And not only mine, but that of other persons. Whats the worst that can happen? I would miss living, watching sunsets, listening to music, playing video games, traveling, reading, deciding what to do with my life by myself, and trying to be a good person out of my own free will, without the menace of a hell to do it.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:29 am
After reading most of these comments, I feel ill…
In all reality, I have come to the conclusion that God has far more patience and tolerence than I have.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
interesting list. i still think that islam is the root of all evil in this world though.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
@mastermind357 (252): Two major failings in this comment. First, you are willing to bury your head in the sand rather than engage is a discussion. Why don’t you put your hands over your ears and yell, ‘nah nah nah nah’. Works just as good.
Is religion your only reason to live? The idea that you will continue living in an afterlife is all you have going for you? That’s a shame. Do you have kids? Friends? Family? Do you have goals in life? Do you want to accomplish anything besides giving yourself over to God?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
@259 downunder
“if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.”
Hey, I have read part of it, and found contradictions and flaws galore! You have guaranteed that it couldn’t be possible, yet here I stand. What do I get with your defaulted guarantee?
Now, before you ask me to prove it, it is easier and faster, although more irksome to people who believe otherwise, to direct you to http://kafirgirl.wordpress.com/ She did a marvelous job dissecting the Qu’ran and showing that it does have flaws and contradictions. Too bad she has gone M.I.A. and no new posts have been made, but it will open your eyes. Enjoy!
Pac
PS: If this were a 10 Misconceptions about Chrisitanity, I would be arguing with the same intensity the same things too, as it is the same with the Bible: flaws and contradictions.
PPS: Hey! How about 10 Misconceptions about Atheists next? You know, how it is the same for us to live or die, etc.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
You can spin the religion of Islam any way you want, the fact remains it is out of touch with modern times. At least Christians went back and looked at the old testament and realized it’s harshness and wrote the new testament.
The Koran is FULL of examples of intolerance. Try taking an opposing view and then decide by going here~
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
“interesting list. i still think that islam is the root of all evil in this world though.”
O_o…That makes loads of since seening as it has only been around for about 1400 years…Obviously evil didn’t exist before than.
Also, that is the type of thinking that lead to the Holocaust so be mindful of were your thoughts and actions might lead.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
@downunder (259): “And Guys, if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.”
How many do you want me to list? I should just need to list one to contradict this statement. Here goes:
According to the Qur’an, who was the first Muslim? Apparently there were four. Muhammad, Moses, Adam, and Abraham. There can only be one ‘first’. Which one was it?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
yeah they tolerate other religions when Muslims form the majority, and even then its not always true (Killing of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan, and killing of Hindus in Bangladesh, killing of Christians in East Timor, killing of Zoroastrians in Persia, driving out Hindus in Kashmir… basically we should just write a new list of Top Ten Groups of People killed in the name of Islam)
Overall this is a crappy list
July 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
@faketree78 (209): You comment made me remember how the guy in pulp fiction used the ‘furious rage’ quote from the bible to explain his crimes. Yeah, we can take things as literal, or abstract depending.
Final thoughts: I guess sociopolitical limitations and variations have a lot to do with how a country, and it’s denizens, are perceived by the world. In the UK, a muslim (man or woman) has the same rights as any other resident. In Afganistan, men and women may have different rights, perhaps fewer rights than us – but is that as a result of which books they read and hold dear – or is it the laws and social ‘norms’ which pervade those countries, and mitigate against equal rights? Is it Islam which curtails free will and free speech, or is it the policed social pressure to unquestioningly conform? And if a non-conformist movement should make a stand in those countries, is it not the political regime which does the labelling?, the branding?, the punishing? – and the same regime which touts and lauds these strong-arm tactics as ‘peace keeping’ rather than public disempowerment, manipulation and control?
Never judge a book by it’s cover – as each page is unique unto itself.
[rips off serious face] ahh, that’s better! I hate navel gazing; such a waste of a good afternoon. See you tomoz. :p
July 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
pac: if life is so precious and you have only one life, who cares, it will be in vain, ur going to die and it wont matter will it?? so just kill urself!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:51 am
This is hilarious, people HATE muslim’s. Damn, ya’ll act like muslims raped your parents in front of you and made you watch. Damn, whats the hate 4? ya’ll sound so stupid dat it is actually funny lol people seroiusly HATE it, damn.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
vindicatedfinally
The land was so they could build rest stops for pilgrims, what is the problem with that, only the terrorists(separatists) had a problem with it. They can’t spare 0.40km of land. Its Indian land for Indian citizens, not Saudi land for some visitors. And besides i am sure the Saudi govt provides adequate facilities for their pilgrims.
By the way how many Muslim countries allow Hindu temples to exist peaceful (excluding Indonesia). Malaysia has started demolishing temples, I am sure you are ecstatic.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I don’t see the point in hate. Besides, hating an entire religion just seems like such a waste of energy.
Peace and love man, peace and love.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:59 am
You are the one asking people (me) to kill himself because you don’t like what they (I) profess/think/say.
If you feel that life is in vain, well, I feel sorry for you. I do not share that opinion. I am enjoying the Today.
I could say that if you believe in an afterlife, and that it is much better that what you have now, why don’t then kill yourself in order to get there faster, but that would be an stupid argument.
Pac
PS: If you are Muslim, I do not hate you for it. I might have a slight problem with your attitude, behavior and patent frustration in discussing things in a serene and mature way, though.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Why do you believe there is need to publish a list that attacks Christianity in order to fabricate facts about Islam? The intro is utterly insulting, as if Islam is someone the victim of some kind of Christian aggression.
10. Islam started in Arabia. The entire religion is built around Arab paganism.
8. Even if it was true (the list cites no specific quotes from the Koran), the theory and practise of such a thing are widely different.
7. Muslims enforce a tax on Dhimmis (which are non-Muslims which Muslims have allowed to live in order to gain money from them).
5. He married Aisha when she was 7 and started to rape her from the age of 9. I doubt any girl could hit the age of puberty at the age of 4 but even if she did, she still had the mind of a child.
4. Except Muslims have done all those things and more when they swept into Europe between 600AD and 1500AD. Even Muslims of today continue such traditions (especially in places like the Balkans, Caucasia, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan and basically any area just outside the Arab world). And no, Saladin was truly remarkable in the fact that he didn’t act like other Muslim leaders, not because he was a Muslim leader.
3. Perhaps by Arab standards, women have rights but by Christian/European standards, they have no rights. And isn’t that what you’re trying to appeal to with this list?
2. It’s fitting, that savages would embrace Islam. But no, Islam was spread (outside the Arab world and especially by the Turks and Moors) by the sword.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
try checking out malaysia or indonesia. islamic countries over there have equal rights between men and women. they live peacefully with other people. just because a country like pakistan beat up their wives, doesnt mean other islamic countries practice that too.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
@ Alok
Lol! For rest eh? So you mean to say that ever since the yatra has been going on people have found no avenues to rest? Heard of camps? Thats where they used to rest!And mind you it was the common Kashmiri there who used to provide will the relief material.
And your land? Heard of article 370 huh?
Malaysia has started demolishing temples and I am ecstatic? Did you have too mcuh of cocaine last night? Just check blood is oozing out of your nose!
And why no noise about the atrocities on Muslim in China!
And for your information Malaysia has a different court altogether for the non muslims!For demolising of temple well I would condenm it here in India or anywhere across the globe if it is done purposefully to hurt the sentiment of any group whatsoever.Period!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
pac: because I dont believe you go to heaven if you kill yourself. But you dont believe in any afterlife do u? so life will be in vain if you die and thats it. Just kill yourself
July 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
In regard to misconception number 3, Muslim women do have rights.
FYI, I’m a 21 year old Muslim in South East Asia and is attending tertiary education and I have been driving for 3 years, since I was 18.
I do not cover my head on a daily basis and nobody in my country (Brunei, a Muslim country) wears a hijab. Occasionally, a handful of women would be seen wearing hijabs but even that is considered weird in our country as Islam does not require women to cover their faces. In fact, while performing a certain ritual for Haj, women are FORBIDDEN to cover their faces.
Besides that, I have numerous homosexual friends and although I do not believe in same-sex marriages, I do not have a problem with their sexual preferences.
And no, Islam is not the root of all evil. Greed is.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
k im a spiritual guy myself,,but cmon now,,doesnt the topic religion seems a bit out of place in the 21st century???? i mean,, come on,, we all know this is bullshit right? christianity ,,islam,, etc..wtf? Do some meditation instead, its high time we move on,,Seriously Cmon..WE’LL FOREVER BE A TYPE 0 CIVILIZATION IF WE CLING ON TO THIS DEBATE, WHICH IS A COMPLETE, AND AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME!!! BTW WHO THE FUK INVENTED RELIGION??HA?mmmm …GRRRRR..#$@% EDISSONNNN!!!!!!????
July 10th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
k im a spiritual guy myself,,but cmon now,,doesnt the topic religion seems a bit out of place in the 21st century???? i mean,, come on,, we all know this is bullshit right? christianity ,,islam,, etc..wtf? Do some meditation instead, its high time we move on,,Seriously Cmon..WE’LL FOREVER BE A TYPE 0 CIVILIZATION IF WE CLING ON TO THIS DEBATE, WHICH IS A COMPLETE, AND AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME!!! BTW WHO THE FUK INVENTED RELIGION??HA?mmmm …GRRRRR..#$@% EDISSONNNN!!!!!!?????.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
@259 downunder
Here are two contradictions from the Qu’ran:
In 2:62: “Surely the believers and the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right, shall have his reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret.”
So, everybody gets a prize at the end, hooray!
Now, wait. Further in the Qu’ran, 5.72, it says: “They are surely infidels who say: “God is the Christ, son of Mary.” But the Christ had only said: “O children of Israel, worship God who is my Lord and your Lord.” Whosoever associates a compeer with God, will have Paradise denied to him by God, and his abode shall be Hell; and the sinners will have none to help them.”
So, are Christians going to hell at the end, or not? This seems to be a very contradcitory text.
As for flaws, well, pick any of the purposed science facts therein, regarding the nature of the Earth, the existence of Jinns, etc. Fun stuff.
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
@ 285 Please keep me out of this, you Asshole!!
Thank you.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
My main problem with Islam is that they ban alcohol.
What kind of monsters are they?!? Drinking is sacrilicious!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
-sigh-
When both sides of an argument believe they are correct, there is very little you can do to sway them. Both will end up wrong for they will only have one side of the story.
Plus people, seriously what is the point of fighting and threating people over the internet? You’re acting like 12 year olds. Spelling like it too….
July 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
pac: sura 2:62
The verse is invalid today because the Qur’an does not consider any of the Christians or Jews to be the Jew and Christians who Allah has sent His True Word!
Besides, the verse indicates that those who have died before Islam, as believers, will be judged accordingly. Since Islam is here and it is the only acceptable religion by Allah, the “True” Christians and Jews would convert to Islam, otherwise they are going against the word of Allah and His prophets and His revelations.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Honestly, we could talk equally about Christianity and Islam for a very long time (I’m from an “extremist Catholic” country – Croatia – so I debate about it often), but frankly I don’t want to. They make me sick even more than any other religion in the world. This is my personal opinion. You may not like it, but I’m not trying to force it upon you (unlike religions).
Are you currently in prison for having these opinions?
Are you in fear for your life when debating?
If the answer to these questions is “no” then you have no basis for comparison, and it is extremely arrogant and short sighted to claim that you “understand” the sort of religious extremism going on in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and, until recently, Afghanistan.
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Give me one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us.
Bahais in Iran, Copts in Egypt, Buddhists in Afghanistan, Shiites in Iraq, pretty much everybody in Saudi Arabia…
Also, ever heard of a country named India, where muslims are burnt & oppressed routinely, christians are harrased, raped & killed daily, where sikhs are prejudiced aginst since god knows when.
I’m sure you’ll find a higher proportion of Muslims in India than you will Hindus in Pakistan.
But of course, no one talks about it in the whole goddamned world. Why? Because the media has more important issue (of ISLAMIC terrorism/extremism/fundementalism) to discuss.
Systematic, merciless atrocities committed on a near daily basis against innocent people minding their own business is a bigger deal than the occasional dust up. And, yes, the media does cover Hindu on Muslim violence, when it happens, the key phrase being “when it happens.”
As for your idea that they create trouble, chechnya has asked for independence or atleast autonomy & i think any one can ask for independence. So when the eastern european countries came into being & broke away from the USSR, did you say they create trouble? No, no one said anything.
Since when does slaughtering hundreds of children in a school equate to “asking for independence?” Let me remind you that the Russians aren’t exactly popular at the moment, so when a group of people manage to get the West to sympathize with them, something just went horribly wrong.
which is known as Azad kashmir (free kashmir) today.
I don’t have a dog in the Kashmir fight, but the fact that the democratic and tolerant Pakistanis (that was sarcasm, there) call an area “free” doesn’t mean much. The North Koreans call their country “The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” despite it not being democratic, a republic, or of the people. The point being that the use of an adjective in the name of an area does not mean the adjective is accurate.
So, learn to be respectful of other religions & don’t blame it without reason/proof.
9/11, The Ottoman Empire, Khobar Towers, The burning of the Danish Embassy, Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, The USS Cole, Statues of Buddha in Afghanistan, The Beslan Hostage Crisis, The Madrid Train Bombings, The London Underground Bombings, An Iranian woman sentenced to death for defending herself against rape, Saudi girls forced to burn to death because the police wouldn’t allow then to escape a burning building without their heads covered, dhimmi, honor killings, death penalty for apostasy…
I can go on if you’d like.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
yun: “i can go on if you like”
that is ok, damn, that is entirely too much writing… who is going to sit there and read all of that on listverse? make it short and simple.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Yup, and as soon as they stop sawing off peoples heads with a rusty blade, I’ll be open to a “better understanding”. Till then, meh, not so much.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Hmmm seems fine man.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“Do not destroy buildings”?
LOL, what Ancient writings did you find that line in?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@mastermind357 (275): Why does having only one life make this life in vain or pointless? I’d argue the exact opposite. Since we only have this life, we better make the best of it and live it to the fullest instead of bowing our heads to an invisible person in the sky that is telling you how to live?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
“An eye for and eye makes the whole world blind”
- Mahatma Gandhi
July 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
faketree78: Life is pointless if you believe we will all die and just sleep. We wont remember anything if that the case. Ur fate wont be any different than hitler or stalins if thats the case. U might as well end it all, soon as u kill yourself, u’ll just be sleep right?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Singapore is a tiny red dot on the world map, barely 700km2. We accept every religion here with open arms. We talk to each other like we are the same. There is no social class based on race. We eat food from one another’s culture everyday. It’s fun and we love it. We even managed to get a mixture of everything Singaporean – Singlish. We love each other.
We can continue debating over this matter. We can solve it without bloodshed. Here’s one way. You mention the names of a muslim terrorist, and I mention a muslim who is not a terrorist. We take turns. My list follows up to hundreds of millions.
Generally the top item on a “Misconceptions about Atheists” should be that ‘Atheists accept other religions’ To me, I think that Muslims receive more conflict from atheists than christians or jews. We believe in god, at least.
The reason we ban alcohol is that when you get dronk you’d forget to do your prayers and stuff (or in your case go to church). Mirror yourself and find out how many percent of Christians do not go to church every sunday. Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty, cause diseases, and have — when still young. Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
Maggots will come out of any piece of meat if you leave it sitting around long enough.
It makes sense that they would ban drinking cause you might forget to say your prayers. I’d hate to have take responsibility for myself!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Interesting list. Accurate yet controversial, always a good mix.
Choosilicious:
“Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty,”
No they are not. Certainly they are cleaner than cattle or poultry.
“cause diseases,”
That is an utter lie.
“Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
As if by magic, right? Maggots come out of almost any degradable matter when you have flies around, ya dumb shit. Don’t kid yourself, the reasons for disallowing people to eat pork are not based on rational causes.
I’m an Atheist, by the way. Have fun chewing on that rubbery fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
As for killing, it is an unforgivable sin in islam. The biggest sin after thinking you can do the same with the god. It says, it is not you, who will judge the sinners, it is Allah. And if you judge the sinners that means you are trying to do something which only god could do, so thats the biggest sin=)
July 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
@mastermind357 (179): Your guess is correct good sir.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
@jarradmeshwork (295):
Do you really think that there were no buildings at the time of islam?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
304: Apparently he does lol
July 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
@mastermind357 (298): “Life is pointless if you believe we will all die and just sleep. We wont remember anything if that the case. Ur fate wont be any different than hitler or stalins if thats the case. U might as well end it all, soon as u kill yourself, u’ll just be sleep right?”
This is flat out conjecture and is actually logically backwards. If this is the only life I have, why would I kill myself? I better live as long as I can in this life because I enjoy this life and don’t need something afterwards to give my life meaning.
You, on the other hand, have a belief that there is something after this life and not only that, but that whatever is after this life is actually better than our current life. So I say to you, what are you waiting for if the next one is better than this? Go ahead and off yourself if there is something better than is next.
I, on the other hand, will stick with this life and enjoy it while I can because you know what? Yup, I’m taking the big dirt nap just like Stalin and Hitler and eventually you. We’re worm food buddy so enjoy it while it lasts.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
this should be under the HUMOR category
I get weekly bulletins from muslim countries documenting the atrocities against women, children, and christians.
you have swallowed the propaganda…enjoy the indigestion.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@290 mastermind
See how flawed and contradcitory it is? If the sura is no longer valid, then its meaning has changed from the original, when it was valid. Therefore, the promise that the Qu’ran would never change is false, because the meaning of its contents has changed, as per what you say.
Now, how can the Qu’ran consider anything? It is a book, by Pete’s sake. And how can one, let alone a book, recognize your everyday Christian or Jew from those Christians and Jews for whom this supposed true word was sent?
Now, the sura explicitly says “the believers AND the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right” Note the conjunction AND? Basic grammar rules there; easy to follow. It doesn’t say “the believers” only, or even “the believers and the true/converted/accepted/whatnot Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians…” Why, even that part that says “and whosoever does right” might include even a good-hearted, non-willing to kill himself atheist!
Now, in the way you are explaining it, “true” Christians and Jews is an oxymoron; a true Christian and a true Jew will remain Christian or Jew, because they are true to their religions. If you are going to respond to this with “because a true Christian/Jew would convert to Islam the moment he hears the supposed true word”, save it; the argument has many logical flaws.
Lastly, how can a person die as a believer before Islam? How can a caveman, for example, be a believer and go to paradise if there was no Muhammad, no Qu’ran, no Mecca, no nothing?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
@Choosilicious (299): You need to be careful as to what you believe to be the truth. I saw the same video showing the pork + coke = worms video. It’s bunkum – a viral video. The reason you don’t eat pork (the same reason Jewish folk don’t eat pork) is that back in the day, before refrigeration and sanitation, pigs did in fact carry trichinosis and a few other diseases. Not because they’re filthy, but because we were, and the pigs eat our leavings. Pretty sure the same can be said for most shellfish – they filter our garbage out of the water. Now you don’t eat pork because of tradition. Tradition isn’t always a bad thing, but don’t confuse it with fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
@ people from Brunei, Singapore and similar countries.
I applaud that you are sensible people who have not fallen into fanaticism. If all countries, either Muslim, Christian or whatever did the same, we would not be discussing this today. I assure you that I debate with the same gusto with Christians and Buddhists and New Age people alike. I have no problem with sensible religion, as long as it doesn’t meddle with politics, freedom, gender, race, etc, and specially, with my life. This list was pure propaganda, so I wanted to argue against some of its points. It’s nothing personal against normal, peace-loving, non-fanatic people of Muslim background.
Peace.
PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Faketree78: I told you, I believe that if i kill myself i wont go to heaven, thats why i wont kill myself, understand that?? If we all KNEW for a fact that heaven was a actual place and u can still kill yourself and go there, 99% of the world would probably commit suicide. You believe there is no afterlife. If that is the case, this life is all vanity. read the last post i wrote u again. If you know u will die eventually and u just go to sleep, what are u waiting for? once again, u wont remember anything.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Your list is great…if you leave out the contradictory passages and the satanic verses…why is there a price on Salmon Rushdie’s head?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Pac: Lastly, how can a person die as a believer before Islam? How can a caveman, for example, be a believer and go to paradise if there was no Muhammad, no Qu’ran, no Mecca, no nothing?
Islam has an answer for this.
There is a hadith that says…
“Four types of people will be tested on the day of judgement: a deaf man who cannot hear anything, a mad man, an old aged man and a man who died during fatrah (a period of time when no messenger was sent to people). The deaf man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I cannot hear anything!”. The mad man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while the boys throw animals’ excrement on me!”. The old aged man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I can understand nothing”. And the man who died during a fatrah will say: “Oh Allah, I witnessed no messenger from You”. Then Allah takes a promise from them to obey Him. Then He will command them to enter hell, and who enters it will find it peace and cool, and who disobeys will be dragged to hell”
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
@311 mastermind
“I believe that if i kill myself i wont go to heaven, thats why i wont kill myself”
So, if you knew you could kill yourself and go to heaven, you would kill yourself?
You must be living a very empty and sorry life to think like this.
By the way, in which sura is the prohibition against suicide? Just curious to see what it says. I’m not sure there is one in the bible. How can one be sure that it is a sin stated in the true book(s), as opposed to an addition made by normal, human beings afterwards?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
mastermind357; Life in and of itself is a reward. I require no promise of anything in the next life to live this one as a decent, kind, tolerant human being. If there is a god, I will be judged on how I behaved, not on what I think. I try every day to make someone else’s life a little better by my actions. If Allah/Jehova/God still doesn’t find me worthy – I want no part of it anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Fantastic posting. Will be putting a link on my blog.
@Egyptiancopt: I believe the price on Rushdie’s head is from iran, is it not? Iran does not speak for the whole Muslim ummah.
PS: I read about three pages of Rushdie and found him dreadfully boring- I think his fame depended on his fatwa……only, not on any talent, but that is my humble opinion!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
people really need to understand that this list specified what Islamic laws require. Just because people do not follow these rules does not mean the flaw is within the religion itself rather its the people themselves. American society set up laws against murders and rapists, yet some Americans break the law. in this case the flaw is not within the system but within the individuals that did not follow the law.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against Islam itself. However, one thing that constantly pisses me off is the rule/law/choice of wearing the hijab. I myself am a Syrian-American and am not muslim(thanks for saying that, we are actually quite big here in SoCal), but I just don’t get why? Why must you wear it, where is the reason? Many religions used to do this long ago and some still do but their is no reason to do so. We Christian Arabs have old men who wear the “towels” above their heads and actually we have some women who also wear the head cover but none of it ever covers their face and I find it ridiculous that some people still think they need to. If you choose to believe in Islam I strongly agree if not, I agree just the same, but I still can’t scratch off the whole hijab thing and I guess that’s bad? I dunno but it tends to annoy me.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
@313 mastermind
Well, one nice, interesting answer. I liked it. I learned something new. See how we can get along?
Furthermore, now I know that I can go on being a happy atheist, because I think that I fit 3 of the 4 test cases you mentioned, should I die and find out not only that there is an afterlife and a god, but that both conform to their descriptions in Islam. I’ll promise away and walk right into “hell”. Thanks for the info (truly).
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
very good list, its nice to see islam being shown in a good light. all the things you hear about “evil muslims” on the news are probably very rare. And also just because someone does a bad thing and they’re a muslim doen’t mean they did a bad thing because they’re muslim.
If they’re is a god out there, then i don’t think he will judge in what people belive, but in what they do in life. Lets say an aetheist is a really good person, will god not let them into heaven (if there is one) because of this.
That was a bit off topic but i dont like the fact in religions (including christianity), people are being told they go to hell just because they worship the same being in a different way.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
mom424 and Pac, now we are debating opinions, we will never come to an agreement with just our opinions however, if you had the opportunity to move ur family out the projects to a care free, better neighborhood and schools u wouldnt take the opportunity? The same way is what i meant that if we all knew HEAVEN actually existed and it wasnt a sin to kill urself, almost everyone would do it, however that is not the case. Im speaking hypothetically.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
@316 CurlySue
I tried to read a couple of pages a long time ago, and found them also boring. Didn’t know until recently what the original Satanic Verses were.
Pac
PS: What’s the name of your blog?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
im glad i helped you learn something new, we should just agree to disagree… i also appreciate a debate in which both sides keep respect, hopefully u know i wouldnt want u to literally kill urself… just making u think since this is a heated debate.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
323 was directed to PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Mohammed married Aisha at the age of 6 not 9.
That he married her at age 9 is YOUR misconception.
He had sex with her at the age of 6, he didn’t penetrate her but he did put his member between her thighs and pleasure himself that way.
He penetrated her at the age of 9.
Mohammed was nearly 60 years old at the time.
Yeah, Mohammed was a pedophile.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Al Salamo alikom (Peace be upon you):
I really wanna thank you for the effort you have done to make this list, great one, as in one of the comments
“I think some of the items in this list is an eye opener for many Muslims themselves instead of non Muslims.”
This is a bit true, me as a Muslim had no idea about these misconceptions , I could never imagine that the western wrong picture about Islam is deeply wrong like this.
I didn’t read all of the comments, but I am sure I will find many against this list, and they will insist that these misconceptions are true, I wanna tell these people that I can imagine the amount of hate in their hearts, and I can find many excuses for this hate, the minority of Muslims killing people by the name of Islam, this hate you have needs much more than one list in a site to be removed.
For everyone who still hate Islam: Please, just give yourself the chance to read more, know Muslims closer, hear different opinions, accept others, enjoy practicing the freedom and democracy you talk about, and let others do.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
All I Need To Know About Islam I Learned On 9/11.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
@321 mastermind
I noted the conditional in “if we all knew HEAVEN actually existed…”
But shouldn’t all believers KNOW that heaven is there. It is promised in the true book(s). If they doubt its existence, then they are no true believers. Hence, they will go to hell along with all the people who follow “false” beliefs… and with all those pesky atheists.
As for suicide being a sin, in which sura, hadith, psalm, gospel, etc. is stated as such. Just wondering.
“if you had the opportunity to move ur family out the projects to a care free, better neighborhood and schools u wouldnt take the opportunity?”
Not if this requires dying first. Suppose there is an eternal afterlife. Being eternal an inevitable, for we all die at some point, it can very well wait while I enjoy my little home and do my everyday chores just fine.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
pac, Surah 4, verse 29 orders us not to destroy ourselves, which most Muslims take to be a prohibition against suicide as well as murder.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Thanks @329 debmcnichol!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
328 pac…. its hard to answer ur questions since we share such different views. I believe heaven exist, i meant “people” in general. when i said “We” I mean “people”
as far as suicide, this is starting with sura 4:29 in the qur’an…
O you who believe, do not consume each others’ properties illicitly – only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.
[4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.
[4:31] If you refrain from committing the gross sins that are prohibited for you, we will remit your sins, and admit you an honorable admittance.
as far as your last comment on 328, u wont be “dying” you would just begin living in the afterlife.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Let me guess Duke, you don’t live in Southern New York or Northern New Jersey do you?
Allow me to remind you of the two tallish buildings that used to be visible in lower Manhattan. I judge people by what they do and not what they say.
I think most of your list quotes the ideal which falls far short of the reality. This is not unusual. The same can be said of Western Democracy or any other philosophy.
But are we to judge by the ideal or the way things actually are? You have to go with the way things are or the ideal will never be reached.
#7 – You might want to read up on the special tax levied on non-believers in the Ottoman Empire. I might also point out that apostasy is puishable by death under Sharia Law. Claiming Islam is particularly tolerant of other religions is a bit of a stretch.
#6 – Yes, and “Gay” means happy and “Intifada” means to shake off. The meaning of words evolve.
#5 – You’re kidding right? You expect me to believe she reached puberty at the age of 6? Nice try.
#4 – You have heard of suicide bombers all of whom are promised pardise right? Please explain to me how they avoid violating items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8?
#3 – You need to explain this to the Saudi Religious Police. You do know that women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive and can’t leave the country without the permission of a male relative don’t you? And let’s not forgot the rape victim that got a heavier sentence than the rapers a while back. Then there’s always the minor matter of honor killings.
#1 – I refer you again to the two missing towers, dead children in supermarkets and dead mourners in funeral processions. Like I said, I judge people by what they do and not what they say.
The bottom line is that while 99% of Muslims are fine upstanding people, the culture falls far short of the ideal that you’re presenting.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Thank you for showing a better face of reality.I am a muslim and i live in iran
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Christian Europe
Slavery,genocide,World wars and oppresion.
Yet it is europeans who are judge,jury and executioner of the entire world.
I do not understand why people care what you think about Islam, you are obviously a nation of evil.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
alencon: (just to prove a point) females cant get their period at 6? how do u explain the youngest mother who gave birth at 5 years old?? She also began menstruating at 8 months old. read the link…
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp
July 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Just like Islam, there are allot of misconceptions about Christians and Christianity as well.. The folks who step on us (true Christians), are as ignorant as the people who generalize all Muslims. True Christians love everyone. “God hates sin, not the sinner.”
July 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Know God? No peace.
No God? PEACE!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Truth be told:
Mohammed was a megalomaniac. He wanted to be accepted as a prophet, but was rejected by the Jews of Mecca and the Christians there as well. He bastardized the christian Bible.
Islam has no orthodoxy — and no authoritative concil that demands what it truly means to be a muslim. Instead, it is a religion of economic and political conquest. Saladin was truly an enlightened man — and perhaps there are many enlightened muslims. but they do not repudiate the “fringe” which so actively seeks the demise of the West.
In Pakistan, the civilain populace finally voiced their opposition to the taliban when they saw videos of women being beaten in public.
Let’s face it. Mohammed was a rapist. He told hios followers that if they killed their enemies in battle, they could plunder their possessions and take their women and children as slaves — and rape the women.
A religion of peace? More accurately, a religion of lies. Moslem scholars are so embarrassed by their own “Holy Books” that it is difficult to find many of them translated and in print…
Most of the assertions of this article are total falsehoods and propoaganda. There is an Egyptian Coptic priest with a price on his head of $300,000 for preaching Christianity in Egypt, and his penchant for confronting the lies of Islam. Gee, religious freedom? Rights for women? rights for children? Whoever wrote this is simply a Muslim propagandist, being paifd for their contributions, or both. Anyone with two brain cells in their head can easily see the facts of history and the Islamic scriptures paint quite a different picture. JIHAD= Conquest of the West.
Gee, who blew up the Twin Towers?
Who regularly robs, rapes and murders their non-muslim neighbors?
The Mongols adopted Islam only as a convenience… and it had the benefit of allowing their soldiers they were going to heaven. They found converting to Islam easier than killing off their Islamic subjects.
The first caliphs of Palestine were enlightened people. the next groupm, after the Abbyssinads, were cut throats who mercilessly killed civilians opposed to them, Islamic and non-Islamic alike. Their means of executing their enemies was so gruesome it cannot be repeated here–
Christianity has its nutcases too. but far fewer. Christianity had so much more evolution and development than Islam.
The Pope outlawed African slavery in 1773. Today, Muslims in Africa still practice slavery and Arabs still smuggle slaves from one country to another.
If Islam is so enlightened, explain why all Islamic countries by far and large are dirty, backward, disease-ridden pestholes of ignorance and prejusidice… maybe there is some hope for Indonesia, but I doubt it. They have a habit of killing Christians (look at East Timor.)
July 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
ooh looks like a list ripe for controversy…
i don’t know enough about the world so i like that listverse teaches me things!
i hope that everyone starts remembering the truth of their religion, christian and islam, because its been twisted so much over history..
and i think we can all agree that terrorism SUCKS!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Sorry for the typos. I just can’t believe the garbage on the internet.
Try accessing even Wikipedia or the Catholic Encyclopedia or any legitimate reference source and you’ll easily see that the assertions of the article are out and out lies.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@truthbetold (337): WOW
all the devotion into your own bullshit, you deserve a bluepeter badge.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
@truthbetold (339): Well saying your catholic what a surprise.
The catholic church have more blood on there hands than the Jews………….wait maybe not.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
truthbetold 339
wikipedia is a legitimate reference source now? lol
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Early morning in Australia. Wakes up. Yawns. Logs onto the List Universe. Have I missed anything?
Oh.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What a load of BS…the worse list ever on this otherwise fine site! As a student of Islam and a friend to ex muslims, this is pure fiction by the author of this list who either is a muslim or a dhimmi!
People, do not believe these lies…Islam is a murderous death cult…IF you try to leave islam, you can be murdered for apostasy!
Muhammed taught this…he also married a 6 year old girl…he had innocent poets murdered for making fun of him….he stole from other caravans to supplement his economy….he had 900 innocent jewish civilians beheaded….he okayed the rape of captive women…
AND on and on it goes….islam is evil to its core…however, not all muslims follow islam literally and we can be thankful for that!
Horrible list and shame on the auther for lying …
He is using the Karen Armstrong or John Esposito school of whitewashed Islam…
You may be able to fool some of the illiterates here about islam but for those of us who studied this brutal cult, you cannot fool us!
Dev
July 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@Devon in Canada (345): lol
Canada
July 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
devon in canada: where did you study islam, and have u written any books? I’d like to read your work…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
How different would this list be if was written by a Muslim Imam and not a non Muslim westerner. The west came out of the dark ages immediatly following the dark ages. The Muslim world is still there. Qur’an 4:34 The Husband should first verbally admonish her, next ground her to the bedroom like a child, and finally when all else fails, to beat her.
Sounds like a misconception to me.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@Choosilicious (299): I loved your comments! I hope you post your thoughts here again. What you wrote here is lovely: “We accept every religion here with open arms. We talk to each other like we are the same. There is no social class based on race. We eat food from one another’s culture everyday.”
And these remarks are absolutely charming: “The reason we ban alcohol is that when you get dronk you’d forget to do your prayers and stuff (or in your case go to church). …Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty, cause diseases, and have — when still young. Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
July 10th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@332 alencon
you have your information so screwed up, I cannot believe you are using those points to justify yourself. people can reach the age of puberty at 6 yrs, ever heard of the youngest mother at the age of 5?? according to doctors she reached puberty at the age of 3. You need to read more upon the rape story too. The real version makes a lot more sense if you knew what really happened. unfortunately you wont find the real story because the news spun the truth around. and read comment 317, they make a lot of sense pointing out that the list clears up the Islamic laws whether someone follows it or not depends on the person. The religion itself is not flawed those who follow it incorrectly make it seem like its the religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
@mastermind357 (347): Me too, the way he talks he gives the impression he is a Sheihk.
(Not)
July 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
This article reeks of bias. In fact, I would say it’s pure propaganda. If you wanted to create something that had merit you might want not to leave out choice pieces of information. Here’s a few pieces of info that your readers might want to know about in order to get a
more balanced view of some of these subjects:
9: Muslims and Jesus. You may have wanted to include that
Muslims don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God only a
prophet and a prophet whose message became deluded over time. Muhammad’s message is supposidly superior to that
of Jesus.
7. Religious intolerance. Islam has certain rules about
non-believers living within their society.
They cannot marry muslim women without converting.
Their testimony is second to that of any muslim.
They are allowed by the koran to levy additional taxes
and be denied rights provided to muslims. This effectively makes them second class citizens.
3. women’s rights: Women are not allowed to step outside
their homes without a male family relative to escort them. See; Saudi Arabia. They may do so but at the risk
of being challenged by plain clothes police.
2. Spread by the Sword. Muhammad himself wrote letters
to Tehran, Cairo, Constantanople demanding that they convert or be brought down by the sword. When Islam conquered people they often did not outright kill them
instead forcing them to pay additional taxes and cutting them off from regular muslim rights. A desire to access
to these rights convinced people to convert, not good treatment.
1. Everyone already understands terrorism is a hate crime. In addition to being a hate crime it also serves a political agenda. The west also labels particular non-muslims as terrorist. See; Tim McVey. Because they met this additional requirement.
If you wanted to strengthen your argument try siting your sources to provide proof of your argument.
The last picture is actually a gathering of muslims who prefer Earl grey tea to that of darjeeling.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Regarding number 5. I don’t know of any 6 year olds who have reached puberty & I doubt very much that even a 9 year old had.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
@Jeff (352): You dont know what yopur talking about.Give me your reference. everything you just said is utter nonsense.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Liam (#37), u really crack me up man.
There are plenty of stories about Muslims that will tell you how noble the men who helped establish the religion were for instance…
Ali, the cousin of the Prophet (peace be upon him) was fighting someone in battle. He had overpowered the guy and was about to deliver the final blow from his sword to finish his opponent, when the opponent while lying on the ground spat in Ali’s face in a desperate attempt to distract him and avoid getting killed. Ali backed off all of a sudden and told his opponent to stand up, take back his sword and start fighting all over again.
Confused, the man asked Ali why he didn’t kill him when he could have easily done so. Ali replied,“I fight this war for Allah and Allah alone, when you spat in my face, I wanted to kill you out of personal hatred, I don’t want to to kill you for personal reasons.” On hearing this the man accepted Islam on the spot and fought with the Muslims for the rest of the battle.
Islam is a great religion but suffers from the classic “Great product, lousy sales pitch” syndrome.
All those pointing fingers at Saudi and all the horrible things they do to women, please read what the list says, Saudi is not the model of Islam, they do things that are not prescribed by Islam like not allowing woment to drive etc.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
352 Jeff
9. Ok we believe he was a prophet, and?? He prayed to God, therefore how can he be God genius?
7. We can marry non-muslim women as long as they are jews or christian(people of the book)! u made a fool of yourself with that statement.
3. Indonesia has the largest population of muslims and women can. Saudi Arabia is a cultural idea, not an islamic one.
2. I can find hadiths showing that different religions lived together peacefully(islam, christian, jew etc), use your head!
1. That was that case, the author meant the NORM.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
@Jihadi (355): Salam alaykom, very good point.These people dont know that sharia law was invented by man.
They need to study first before posting there ridiculous comments.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
actually it was the other way around, christianity was spread by the sword!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
more muslims are home from Jumua to defend these crazy comments now, finally!!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Wow, on the morning of 9/11 I wonder why I didn’t suspect anyone else? Religon of peace my rear end. And of course one scroll down into the comments was the prerequsitie crusades and inquisition comment. This list is so full of blatant lies I am shocked. This site is a daily read for me but this is the worst crock of crud I have come across in some time.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
For anyone bringing up the whole sauidis dont let there wives drive argument, I just want to point out that I did write “And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law.”
Yes Saudia Arabia implements many harsh and unequal laws against women, however it shouldnt be regarded as true Islamic law. There are other muslim countries that have opposite extreme laws towards women and none of them should be represented as Islamic law but rather government law.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Indonesia? Where they kill christian school girls and the gov’t gives a nod and a wink to those that murder?
The Indonesian Council of the Ulamas (MUI), the foremost state-sponsored Islamic body, issued a series of religious edicts (fatwas) in July 2005 against pluralism, secularism, liberalism, interfaith prayer, interfaith marriage and all alternative interpretations of religious texts.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
360 tim b: If you dont like the article, why comment on it. just click the red x at the top right of the screen. We dont need a speech from u… just leave and wait until the next list is posted. Do u actually think we care about your opinion on whether u “like” the article? lol just leave.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Personally, I have always felt that if there wasn’t religion there would be something else, and it would be just as bad.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
alencon: (just to prove a point) females cant get their period at 6?
So what Mastermind? When they do have their periods that early, it is an anomaly. Does that mean if a child, for whatever reason, gets her period when she is, 8 months old, or 3 years old, or 9 years old is ready for old men to use them for their sick and pervert sexual pleasure?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
356 mastermind
#7: Jeff meant non-muslim men can not marry muslim women without converting.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
366 joey: ok
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Rick: did I say that? i was proving you wrong by you saying females cant have periods at 6. I didnt clarify if i was pro or con on the issue, that was just to prove u wrong with the statement u made saying females cant have periods that young. This is the end of our debate, lets leave it at that.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If all this condition is applied in Indonesia, it will make Indonesia the best country In the world.
But unfortunetaley, moslems in Indonesia still make the majority the second class.
Syariah law is coming and become dominant law in several big regions. Bogor has become one city to ban pork from its people.
Indonesia will become more better if the people is tolerant each other.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If all this condition is applied in Indonesia, it will make Indonesia the best country In the world.
But unfortunetaley, moslems in Indonesia still make the minority the second class.
Syariah law is coming and become dominant law in several big regions. Bogor has become one city to ban pork from its people.
Indonesia will become more better if the people is tolerant each other.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
This was a really great list, thanks so much for it. Though I am an atheist I think it is vital everyone tries to learn about religions so that they can be armed against any groups that may try to use misconceptions such as the ones listed here to incite hate or fear.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
non assimilating Muslims immigrate to Western countries by the millions and once they are 10 percent or more they make constant never ending demands that the host country, its people, language, culture , values, laws and even religions must change to submit to the desires of Muslims. Hate speech laws keep may western citizens impotent and unable to respond but citizens know in their hearts they and their countrymen are being betrayed by their leaders and erased by a forign culture that has come to destroy them.. Muslims think the non response of the natives means they have won, …it is the quiet before the STORM.
Show me in history where native populations stood by and watched their tribe cleansed from the earth, this time in slow motion through massive immigration, but still recognizable to all but the most feeble minded, the Western peoples are being ethnically cleansed. Some violent Muslim,someday, somewhere, will go too far, and quite soon I fear, it will be the final straw that broke the camels back,and the Western peoples will throw off the ropes of their phony Globalist leaders and it will be like a dam bursting flooding the land with people reclaiming their civilization.
Muslim faith is a religion of paece- Peace and quiet after they destroy all others that have different views.100 years ago non muslims made up over 20 percent of the Miidle east, now it is less than 2 percent, where did these peoples go? Tens of thousands of mosques have been built in the west in the last 50 years, but not one Non muslim church in Saudi arabia! The religion of Peace is one you should be very afraid of.
Any country on Earth that allows immigration to its land of any peoples that hold religous or territorial grievances is insane!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Children aren’t allowed to be hit by anything larger than a pencil? do they have any idea how much damage a pencil can do?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
372 JP: “If you wanna keep working here, stay off the drugs”
-Coming To America
July 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Jeff and JP
YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR MOUTH THERE
If any of you criticize anymore or give a negative impression to MY RELIGION, Insya Allah you get hit by traffic
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Wolly…
Not all religions have spread blood on the basis of religion.
Perhaps its just me, but I have never heard of a Buddhist fighting for any purpose other than self defense, or occasionally the defence of another.
One other thing. Marrying at nine during Muhammads time was actually a good idea. People tended not to live very long, so marriage at an early age was common, and in some places a necessity.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
And oh JP 372, that is just pure hypocrisy. We are not the ones who cleanse entire tribes in North and South America, start Wars over OIL in Iraq or wipe out an entire mesoAmerican civilization. And speaking of migration all around, we arent da only ones, how do you explain what the British were doing in the 185h century and the Boers of south Africa?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
And hey Sangmane!!! u indonesian too?????
July 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
@PAC
The passages are not contradictory, because you haven’t looked into the context from which they were taken.
First you mention the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians…
islam originated from:
1)Judiasm
2)early Christians who believed Jesus (PBUH)was a prophet, not God.)
3)finally Islam.
*THOSE, are rewarded.
Christian who “associates a compeer with God”, are not.
For in Islam, the only unforgiven sin is to associate with god a partner.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
The Point is, misconception and hypocrisy lurks in every corner of multi-racialism and media. And this time, the misconception is very intense and is spread thru various ways like TV, South Park, News and even Books. When we turn on the TV, we always see shit about what CNN wud say ‘Terrorist Attack’ but if you look closely, I will give you a big comparison and what Media is influeancing us about;
- A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun = Terrorist
- A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad = Extremist
- Some random rural farmer with an AK-47 in northern Afghanistan = Taliban
but
- American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force
- Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation
Its not just misconception, its pure one-sidedness and impartiality with a mix of crazy ideas and brainwash by bis government agents
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
well done listverse this was one of the best lists to read and im glad that most of the none muslims had a read aswell and nice to hear their views. obviuosly you’ll get some idiots that think they are funny posting comments before thinking but you get that everywhere now and the best thing to do is what they all say to ignore them.
Anyways good one listverse!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
It’s pointless to argue that some of these misconceptions are “true”. The Bible says some really horrible, disgusting things that we gloss over, too. The point is: Islam is NOT any more violent or barbaric than any other religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Had to add – there’s no excuse for Muhammad marrying a 9-year-old. Ewwww. Should have just left that off the list.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
random asian: wa alaykum salam
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Look at all those terrorists in the picture for #1. I bet they are planning a genocide or something.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Yo, poster of #380, Random Asian:
That is not hypocrisy or one-sidedness. IT’S THE TRUTH!!!
- A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun = Terrorist
- A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad = Extremist
- Some random rural farmer with an AK-47 in northern Afghanistan = Taliban
- American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force
- Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation
I couldn’t express this any better myself, very nice. Muslims need to understand that they are being brainwashed and accept that Jesus is God.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Thank you for this! May Allah bless you.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
People quote historical factors to explain why Mohammad having a six year old girl friend is OK. Fine. Historical factors. Which no longer apply. It was OK then, and it is wrong now.
But then isn’t Mohammad, according to Islam, meant to be the perfect example for all time?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
@jfrater (131):
No jfrater, I don’t mean to use this list against you.
I’m still trying to make you realise that picture number 4 on the images of irony was inflammatory and prejudiced against muslims.
Do you have any idea of the arrogance of the statement:
“I stand by all my previous comments – I don’t consider myself fickle.”?
Do you realise how stubborn and close-minded that makes you? You can’t admit you were wrong?
I’ll ask you now; considering you said you stand by your previous comments, do you still think the women in the fourth picture on the other list “support terrorist bombings of innocent people”?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
sam……This type guy is exactly what i meant when i said the minority idiots who thinks they are hilarius which you sadly find everywhere nowadays..see comment 381!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
To American and to those who have similar opinions:
If there is one thing which you do not understand is that not all Muslims are the way you think they are. Most Muslims around the world are AGAINST terrorism. You say that Muslims need to understand that they are brainwashed. See, you are also brainwashed as well. You say American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force. Peacekeeping Force is just a substitute for the word terrorist. People who terrorist other people’s life is a terrorist, regardless whether they are called peacekeeping force or intervention. they are still terrorist. Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation you say. Bombing civilian structures is military operation and not terrorist? i think not. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the supposed “military operation” DIE in bombings. That is not terrorism? People who kill innocent lives are terrorists! And i am not saying that those A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun is not a Terrorist. They are terrorist as well. And yes, as a muslim, i do agree that sometimes A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad has very extreme views, thus the birth of terrorism. But the true meaning of jihad is struggle. And the greatest jihad according to Islam is the struggle against one’s own temptation.
And. As much as you think that Muslims should accept Jesus as God, we wouldn’t. But we do accept Jesus as one of the greatest prophets in Islam. Our faith is not true if we reject Jesus!
What the world needs is to be taught the true Islam. And by personal opinion, i think terrorists need to re-learn about their own religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
ayse 391: nicelt said
390 bl4d3: i see what u mean lol
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I think this video refutes # 5 , (not mine)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
393 squenis(gay name): your point of view has been already said by the other people who already left there comments, whats more to be said? why keep repeating the same thing? People already left feedback concerning number 5 on the list… what is your objective, really what is your objective?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Nice Spin Article.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
The two main reasons people go to war: politics and religion, scrap em both!
Mohammad a pedophile, bet Michael Jackson’s lawyer could get him off LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
this is a pretty good list but i have a few problems with it. Most of all the writer says “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.” Grouping all christians together like that is the same as someone grouping all muslims with terrorists
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@mastermind357 (239): You didn’t answer my question about the Yemeni fragments and your so-called unchanging Koran over the years. Yes, the Koran has been changed over time and the Yemeni fragments are one point of proof.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@396
Im sorry, I didnt mean to insult Christianity I was just using a quote that summarized what my list was about.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
To T (396): I agree that not all christians are like that. My own best friend is a christian. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.” is an over-generalize statement.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Hey, does the author of this article mind if i put his article on my blog?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@American (385): yeah right – we should all believe what you do. C’mon, I’m a non-Muslim Canadian and I don’t believe Jesus is God. In fact I don’t really believe in God. The brainwashing/indoctrination point you made I agree with. All types of it – including the type you’ve been raised with. Obviously.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
@Ayşe (400): Please email Jamie and ask him. He has copyright on all the material on the site. jamie@frater.com
July 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
@Ayşe (400): You can put one or two items from the list and point it back to the full list here
July 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
10) Muslims are Arabs. Nobody with half a mind thinks that anymore. If someone thinks that, then they don’t have half a mind and I feel free to ignore their opinion
9) Muslims hate Jesus. I could not care less whether or not they hate Jesus. Actions matter more than beliefs.
7) Toleration of religions. Yes, Islam has acceptance of Judaism and Christianity written within it, but as subjugated religions, under the rule of Islam. So long as they are not under the rule of Islam, they are not tolerated by it. Now, what about the Hindus in India? According to Islam, if they don’t convert, it’s AOK to massacre them.
6) Jihad. Don’t try to confuse the world with semantics. We all learned exactly what the meaning of you “struggle” is on Sep. 11 2001. If Jihad truly doesn’t stand for the murder of innocent people, than stand up with the rest of humanity against those deeds, stop speaking with two different voices.
5) Muhammad was a pedophile. This is a common misconception? I’ve never even heard about it before today.
4) 10 rules of war. I got two things I wanna say: 1) Those rules only apply when two Muslim armies are fighting, or when fighting Jews or Christians. If you’re fighting heathens (believers of polytheistic religions), anything goes. 2) If you’re so proud of these rules why don’t you try following some of them from time to time? Remember, actions speak louder than words.
3) Women’s rights. Ever been to Saudi Arabia lately? Nuff said.
2) By the sword. I don’t know enough history to counter this, but tell me one thing: has Islam done anything in the past 30-40 years to disprove these myths? Or has it done it’s best to ensure their perpetuation?
1) Terrorism. I really don’t understand what you expect the world to think. You draw first blood, then accuse the west for trying to destroy you, and use it as an excuse to commit more atrocities. It’s not the media that created the image of Islam=terror, you did that on your own, the media just reported it. The image was there long before Southpark reared its head, burned into the minds of everyone by pictures of burning planes and butchered athletes and ashen buses.
This is one of the most self serving and misleading polls I’ve seen in listverse. It pains me to see that so many people have accepted this poll for word of god without so much as an eyebrow raised.
I’m truly disappointed with listverse today.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
“Mastermind wrote; I didnt clarify if i was pro or con on the issue, that was just to prove u wrong with the statement u made saying females cant have periods that young.”
Where did I say females can’t have periods that young in this thread?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Actually someone said earlier on in the comments something very profound that we probably ALL agree with: this list shows us what Islam is supposed to be when followed correctly; unfortunately a large number of its followers abuse the religion and are definitely not practicing it as described above.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Jfrater, should I expect a reply to my question? (388)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
@jfrater (406): But as I said, bits and pieces can be taken from the Koran, the Christian bible or the Hebrew bible to justify charity or to justify violence. Just because we civilized people believe the charity to be ‘correct’, essentially that is our opinion that good is better than evil. If you ask a fundamentalist Muslim, Christian, or Jew (and there are fundamentalists for all three judeo-christian religions) they would tell you the following of the violent, oppressive nature of these books are the ‘correct’ way to follow the religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
So, then …
Next time we read about a woman being buried up to her chest so that a couple hundred screaming people can throw fist-sized stones at her head, we should shrug and say: “That sharia court who condemned her is not really following the true dictates of Islam.”? And when they’re chopping off limbs for petty theft, instead of condemning it perhaps we should excuse it by looking for wrongs committed by other religions (cuz, you know, moral equivalency justifies everything). And when a local Muslim cleric personally hangs a teenage girl for “promiscuity”, per his reading of the Koran, we should (of course) content ourselves with the knowledge that his interpretation of Islam is obviously flawed?
At what point does a religion and the people who practice it intersect? I mean — is there an atrocity you can imagine that couldn’t be excused by the convenient “That’s not what the religion really teaches” card? If that many people are getting the wrong message, where does one properly place the blame?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
@ThomPayne (409): Exactly. If you have a particular point of view, either noble or ignoble, you can find justification for it in the various bibles. If you want justification for giving to charity and helping the less fortunate, you’ll find it. If you want justification for beating your wife, stoning or raping children, or flying planes into buildings, you’ll find it. The bibles are not inherently good or evil as there are a wealth of contradictions in all of them. There is no correct or incorrect way to follow these religions as all ways of worshipping them can be justified by various passages within them.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Thank you so much J. Frater, for publishing this list. Hope it helps to reduce ignorance of Islam a little, coming from a regular Muslim reader of your lists. Great job.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I agree the faith should not be blamed for the actions of solitary individuals. Every religion has had it’s own problems with extremists. But, I was engaged to a Muslim who was from Pakistan and the plight of women there was not religious it was cultural. He told me that in his country if a woman was raped, there had to be seven witnesses in order for the crime to be prosecuted. This was out of his mouth, so it could be heresay, but he lived there so I take his word for it. Also, a woman whose husband had passed away had to either remarry or the son took control of that property. He said women were not allowed to travel alone without proper supervision. All sorts of things that could be misconstrued as religious in base, this is why some find it hard to separate the religion from the culture. I’ve read the Koran and many other religious texts, I find them fascinating. I don’t think Islam is to blame, just like Christianity wasn’t to blame for things like the Salem Witch Trials and such or the Spanish Inquisition. It all boils down to people, they are the ones who do things they want to do in the name of religion, which is usually against the basic precepts they are following if they really follow their specific religious texts. That is my opinion anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Salam everyone, salam
July 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
I’m reminded of the past. In The USA during WWII Japanese people were called “Japs” and even cartoons portrayed them with buck teeth, thick glasses and extremely slanted eyes. Even Japanese Americans were taken from their homes and placed in interment camps. Many of them lost everything they had. All from stereotyping and hatred.
Germans were called “Krauts” and all of them were thought to be Nazis. More stereotyping and hatred.
During the Cold War between Russia and the USA it seemed as though all the “Bad Guys” in TV and the movies were Russian. There was even a cheesy movie called “Red Dawn” that had the USA invaded by Russians. Some Midwestern teenagers fought back to defend America. More stereotyping and hatred. (There was even a comedy called “The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming!”)
Now it seems as though many of the “Bad Guys” in American TV and movies are portrayed as Islamic or Middle Eastern. Let’s see… could it be stereotyping and hatred?
I realize that this comment is based only on my view of history from an American perspective, But I’m quite certain that Japan, Germany, Russia, and many Mid Eastern countries portrayed/portray the USA with the same types of stereotypes and hatred.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
I have not met a kind and peaceful Muslim yet. Here in America 90% of blacks that go into prison for whatever reason come out the same waybut now they say they are Muslim, and wear a little hat on their head. Most go right back into jail.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Also the role Sufi Islam played in the development of early Western empirical science. I think Christopher Hitchens and ole Richard Quackins would be quite perturbed to learn that suppressed bit of history.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Muhammad is the devil!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
{#375} Good representation of a religion of peace. I’d give it a Dawa award too.
It seems to me that other cultures are really taken aback by direct criticisms of their religion. It’s also really silly to see so many of you attempt to lash out at others by criticizing christianity as though since we must be from the west we must also be christian. One thing you should understand about us westerners is that we’re secular and we grew up questioning each other’s positions rather than having it constantly reinforced by all of those around us.
When was the last time you considered why you believed what you believe and how do you know that it’s true?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Jeff, I feel I must remind you to look both ways before you cross the street.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
number 10 correction= the violent muslims are arab
number 9 correction= muslims hate everyone
number 8 correction= muslim kids do have rights, the right to suicide bomb now or later
number 7 correction= yeah they just keep on proving that to the world
number 6 correction= who cares if thats what the true definition is, its how they use it
number 5 correction= 90% of muslims are rapist and pedophiles this is fact
number 4 correction= are you fucking kidding with this one? killing tons of innocent people in terrorist attacks isnt savage?
number 3 correction= this ones correct they are far to smelly and ugly to have rights
number 2 correction= islam is a disease spread by intercourse with pigs
number 1 correction= fuck who ever wrote this list
July 10th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
fuck all the bleeding heart liberal pussies on this site i hope muhammad beheads you and your loved ones
July 10th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
For me, this issue of terrorism is mostly political. Yes it definitely has Islam in it but is is more political than religious. It is a complex issue where Islam is not the sole issue. And in any case, Al-Qaeda is no more terrorist than Bush and Blair and their military. Killing with F-16 is as bad as killing with suicide bombs. For those who lost a close relative or friend, it is irrelevant whether they met their demise through a hundreds of pound bomb from an F16 or a suicide bomb. Only that we value some lives more than others.
To the Islam haters, I think there is nothing we can do about you. No matter what effort is invested in trying to clear some of the misconceptions, for the haters, they will always insist on their often misguided beliefs about Islam.
And for those talking about tolerance. I think the ultimate measure of intolerance is in lives lost, agreed? Now go back and do your research. Compare how many non-Muslims Muslims killed and how many non-westerns the west killed, past and present. And if those figures don’t sober you, then nothing probably will.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Compare how many non-Muslims Muslims killed and how many non-westerns the west killed, past and present. And if those figures don’t sober you, then nothing probably will. COMPARE THE REASONING FOR THOSE KILLS TOO
July 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
not one of these is a misconception this list should be renamed facts about muslims
July 10th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
8.Do not destroy buildings …..I LOL’D
July 10th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Excellent list. To all those who wrote about Muhammad without knowing him. This is a collection of short quotations from Non-Muslim notables about Muhammad.
Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi (1869-1948) Indian thinker, statesman, and nationalist leader.
“….I became more than ever convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to his friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These, and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every trouble.” [Young India (periodical), 1928, Volume X]
Edward Gibbon (1737-1794) Considered the greatest British historian of his time.
“The greatest success of Mohammad’s life was effected by sheer moral force without the stroke of a sword.”
[History Of The Saracen Empire, London, 1870]
Washington Irving (1783-1859) Well-known as the “first American man of letters”.
“He was sober and abstemious in his diet, and a rigorous observer of fasts. He indulged in no magnificence of apparel, the ostentation of a petty mind; neither was his simplicity in dress affected, but the result of a real disregard to distinction from so trivial a source … In his private dealings he was just. He treated friends and strangers, the rich and poor, the powerful and the weak, with equity, and was beloved by the common people for the affability with which he received them, and listened to their complaints … His military triumphs awakened no pride nor vain glory, as they would have done had they been effected for selfish purposes. In the time of his greatest power he maintained the same simplicity of manners and appearance as in the days of his adversity. So far from affecting regal state, he was displeased if, on entering a room, any unusual testimonial of respect were shown to him.” [Life of Mahomet, London, 1889, pp. 192-3, 199]
Alphonse de Lamartine (1790-1869) French poet and statesman.
“Philosopher, orator, apostle, legislator, warrior, conqueror of ideas, restorer of rational dogmas, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammad. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?”[Translated from Histoire De La Turquie, Paris, 1854, vol. II, pp. 276-277]
Reverend Bosworth Smith (1794-1884) Late Fellow of Trinity College, Oxford.
“… he was Caesar and Pope in one; but he was Pope without the Pope’s pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar. Without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a palace, without a fixed revenue, if ever any man had the right to say that he ruled by a right Divine, it was Mohammed; for he had all the power without its instruments and without its supports.” Mohammed and Mohammedanism, London, 1874, p. 235]
William Montgomery Watt (1909- ) Professor (Emeritus) of Arabic and Islamic Studies at the University of Edinburgh.
“His readiness to undergo persecutions for his beliefs, the high moral character of the men who believed in him and looked up to him as leader, and the greatness of his ultimate achievement – all argue his fundamental integrity. To suppose Muhammad an impostor raises more problems than it solves. Moreover, none of the great figures of history is so poorly appreciated in the West as Muhammad.” [Mohammad At Mecca, Oxford, 1953, p. 52]
John William Draper (1811-1882) American scientist, philosopher, and historian.
“Four years after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed.” [A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London, 1875, vol.1, pp. 329-330]
David George Hogarth (1862-1927) English archaeologist, author, and keeper of the Ashmolean Museum, Oxford.
“Serious or trivial, his daily behaviour has instituted a canon which millions observe this day with conscious mimicry. No one regarded by any section of the human race as Perfect Man has been imitated so minutely. The conduct of the Founder of Christianity has not so governed the ordinary life of His followers. Moreover, no Founder of a religion has been left on so solitary an eminence as the Muslim Apostle.” [Arabia, Oxford, 1922, p. 52]
Annie Besant (1847-1933) British theosophist and nationalist leader in India. President of the Indian National Congress in 1917.
“It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great Prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he lived, to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new sense of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher.” [The Life And Teachings Of Muhammad, Madras, 1932, p. 4]
Edward Gibbon (1737-1794) Considered the greatest British historian of his time.
“His (i.e., Muhammad’s) memory was capacious and retentive, his wit easy and social, his imagination sublime, his judgment clear, rapid and decisive. He possessed the courage of both thought and action.”[History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, London, 1838, vol.5, p.335]
July 10th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
@Hexter
What in the world are you trying to say?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
I thought this list was a big pile of shit.
I have issues with organized religion – largely due to they being based on fairy-tales and often the source of violence.
Regardless, this was a ‘list” of talking points about one specific religion which amounted to someone defending their beliefs through personal opinion.
Lists are so much better when they are based on facts and the narrative is not biased.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Speaking of quotes
Sir Winston Churchhill:
How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy.
The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine, must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities, but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient Rome.
Seems ole Winston knew muhammad well, too.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Rick, you mean the racist Winston Churchill who said,
“I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes.”
July 10th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Some of you idiots who insist of saying ” Well he/she did so and so in the name of Islam” baffle me . How stupid and naive do you have to be to blame a whole religion when a hand full of extremists are the ones who stain the reputation of another whole group ? Most of the Islamic world dislikes extremists more then people outside of the Islamic religion . Every religion has people performing atrocities in the name of faith , but it does NOT mean that it is taught to be so . Same stereotypes occur in different parts of the world for different religions.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
@Rick (430): Winston Churchill is not someone worthy of quoting as being reasonable. He’s been shown to be a quite racist and possibly an imperialist.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
“Rick, you mean the racist Winston Churchill who said,”
Yeah, that Churchill enigma. He supposedly wrote that during world war 1, when gas was first being used by “all” sides in that conflict. So I guess that makes everyone a villan back then. Doesn’t it?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Misconceptions or otherwise, people always judge the religion through the behaviours of its followers. The question that needs answer is “How many christians today who try to escape oppressions seek asylum in muslim countries than there are muslims who seek asylum in the predominantly christian countries?”
July 10th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
@randompost …
Sure would be nice if some of those Muslims who hate extremists would speak up. Instead, I see people like Cat “Peace Train” Stevens claim he would have happily phoned up Khomeni’s government to rat out the location of Salman Rushdie if he had had the opportunity.
And I don’t wanna see their “displeasure” take the form of neatly typed press releases issued through PR agencies. I wanna see some righteous indignation at the street-level when an innocent foreigner is kidnapped or beheaded. I wanna see a few grassroots rallies, screaming, chanting and fist-pumping directed at the barbarians who are supposedly sullying their reputation.
I’m a big fan of Al-Jazeera. I keep watching. Never see anything close to that.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
THANK YOU.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
i hate islam,they sucks,they’re hypocrite,i’m not saying that i hate the religion,but the believers,they sucks down to hell,know what i mean?even my english sucks do not meant that you don’t know what i meant
July 10th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
LoL, i love how people like to talk about how nice Muslims are when in fact none have spent a large amount of time around them. i have.
go feed this crap to someone else…im not eating it.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
398 faketree78: Here’s the link you asked for…Enjoy!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
440:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/mosque_of_sanaa.htm
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
@@7raul7
welcome to earth
You guys are well educated of what happens in india(1% of it) and u have the facts(one side of the story).
thats the reason u turn into terrorists,suicide bombers,……
@jfarter
4.Misconception: Muslims are savages and barbaric during war
It is not a misconception
if muslims never invaded india The great wonders of the world would be in double digits
make a trip to india and know how many temples(not mere temples great architectural wonders) have been destroyed
untill i read this list i thought there is something in islam thats making this crap out of normal men but now i believe that its not islam or kuran.
and btw almost all of the items listed in this topic are not misconceptions(dont take quran or islam as reference consider the present race)
@@@7raul7
India never invaded any country in her last 100000 years of history
know abt india,read bhagavadgita,ramayan…. u will know what’s missing in quran ,why u guys are so different(jihad,laden & stuff,suiced bombings……)
know the other side of india
until recently indain president was a muslim(abdul kalam)
muslims in india are treated as minority and that means( they have reservation in everything like education,govt jobs……)
and many more things which a hindu in pakistan cant even dream..
actually muslims ,christians and hindus get along very well in india but its the politicians and few muslim leaders who dont want this to happen they create few incidents like the gujrat and babri…… and show to the world that muslims are opressed and blah,blah
please like u listen to their stories and turn into terrorists and suicide bombers
and finally know the fact that there are 80 % hindus in india and the incidents that happend are negligible compared to the size.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
@7raul7
waiting for ur reply
July 10th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
the only experience i have with muslims or the islamic faith was gained in prison. all i met were intelligent, clean, devout men, most of them converting after being incarcerated. for the most part, they were not violent but had no problem defending their beliefs; most were raised in the states where the religion was not forced upon them. they chose this path for their life because of the discipline and structure it offered was so different than the chaos and strife in which they were raised(most were christian). Violence and Death can happen on any street corner in the world.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Thank you for this list. My best friend is a Muslim, and people are awful to her because of it. They call her a terrorist, that she is going to hell, and a bunch of other nonsense. It is so stupid!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
While I was serving in Iraq I had a chance to read a lot of the Quran and had the chance to meet and discuss things with many people who were Muslim. Overall I was very impressed with the respect that I was shown by the vast majority of the people I talked to in regards to my religious preference (Wiccan).
For all the people that think that Muslims are horrible people etc etc etc, need I remind you of the crusades and how many atrocities were committed during these events? EVERY religion has had its blood shed. Remember, history is written by the victor and/or the most popular side of the fight.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I’m a Christian who had lived in Islamic country for 35 f***ing years before I escaped from that country! I can assure everyone that most of them ARE NOT Misconceptions, actually 90%! I don’t care what the Muslims want to say but I believe my and my family eyes more than your stupid stories!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
@crap_crap_crap
I am truly sorry that you had a hard time where you were living for those 35 years. Not every place or group of people is that way. I would hope that where ever you live now you find a group of Muslims that can show you that they are truly tolerant. Again, I point out the things that Christians did to Muslims in the name of Christianity all those years ago. I truly hope also that you are not teaching your children your obvious hatred of the Muslim community as a whole as that will only further the problems that both groups face world wide.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
You’re right, these are common misconeptions about the majority of muslims and Islam in general. The misconception being that all of these things happen all of the time. They did all happen at one time or another. Yes, Saladin was a good man, they do believe in Jesus, Allah means god and the crusaders did terrible things. But give me a break. These things you mention, like women and children being treated fairly and tolerance of other religions they would all be great if all muslims practiced their religion this way, but, come on the events of the last several decades didn’t occur in some alternate reality. Muslims of any ethnicity can and have been as brutal as anyone. And they did it in the name of Islam whether you want to admit it or not. They’ve done what they did because of their beliefs and they beleive they are fighting the infidels and the great satan. Whether think it’s wrong or not they continue fighting because of what they beleive. Christians do the same thing. But, for you to suggest “Oh the real Islam is sugar and roses and everything that happened isn’t the real Islam…” it’s pure fantasy-it’s been done before. Whether their actions follow the one true whatever the perpetrators commit terrorism based on their version of what religion they follow.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Anyone can claim to do anything for their God. During World War II the Wehrmacht belt buckles said “Gott Mit Uns” which roughly translates into “God is with us”.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
@asimonsays
Are kidding me? Are suggesting that terrorism is OK because muslims were brutalized by christians a thousand years ago? A thousand years ago? Just how long is this period of revenge supposed to last?
His obvious hatred? If he and his family were brutalized then isn’t he entitled to his hatred and need for revenge? Does he have no right to this because he’s christian and you are muslim?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Yes and SS panzer tankers commonly painted the key of David on the side of their tanks. Were you responding to my post in some fashion or agreeing with me….?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
i just want to do one god damned thing
genocide them all
it sound like a good idea right?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
@asimonsays
I just read your post about you being Wiccan and being shown respect for your religious preference. NOW I KNOW YOU ARE FULL OF CRAP. I am also Wiccan and there is simply no way a muslim or any other Abrahamic religion would show you any respect. We are the devil incarnate to these people. I can’t believe you’re still alive quite frankly.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
If you had read the comment I posted above that one you would notice that I am Wiccan, not Muslim. I have not stated that terrorism is ok, I serve in the United States Army and I am very much so against terrorism. My reference to the crusades was merely an observation and statement as to the fact that Islam is not the only religion to have used violence as a means to solve the differences between themselves and others.
Yes HE is entitled to HIS hatred, that does not mean that HIS children deserve to be raised to hate simply because their parents do. That is exactly what has caused these problems that we are facing in the Middle East at this very moment.
Now, having said that, I shall get off my pulpit here and continue on with enjoying the rest of the listverse universe. Good day sir.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
@i really meant it
Yes. I wish you would destroy each other.
NO! I just wish you’d get along somehow. Stop taking your respective religions SO seriously. There’s got to be some way to do this.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
i have no religions,shut up,go eat your own shit,fuck your mother,i dont care you are a wiccan , i dont even care why you use w capital for that wiccan,so shut up,we are full of crap,but you are the shit,we are full of you so get out!
shoo!! get the fuck out of us
July 10th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
@asimonsays
You are absolutely right. I appreciate your clarification.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
@i really meant it
You’re right-I am the shit. I’m not sure why I used a capital “w” myself though. I am also not inside anyone right now.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Thanks for the add! As a Muslim woman, im glad to see that intelligent people like yourself clarify things to the non muslims. Im confident about myself and hold my head high in any case, but its important for me as well that people dont just believe e.v.e.r.y single thing the media puts forth and see both sides.
Thanks again :p
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Number One’s a doozy.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
oh please! you making me look like the bad guy,oh,Wait am i?
oh i’m sorry i don’t really meant it,please forgive me!
yeah right,like i’m going to Write that,oh i’m already Wrote that but you get my point
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
i’m really like this full of shit conversation
July 10th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
I have seen many such lists and articles in the same vein over the years. Whilst it is good to have the record set straight, it should be noted, I think, that several of the assertions above are incorrect, or only partly correct.
1: Islam was not “spread by the sword?” Well, it is undeniable that the Islamic empire was spread from Spain to Indo-China by conquest. To say then that the belief system was not “spread by the sword,” is playing with words. Contrast the spread of Buddhism and you will see what I mean here.
2: Islam’s tolerance. Yes Islam is tolerant of other beliefs, but only up to a point. It is tolerant of those who have an “acceptable” definition of God – those who are “people of the book.” Others have tended to be defined as idolators and treated accordingly. Islam tried to tear down the Buddhist stupas in India when it first encountered Buddhism.
3: Islam has never been at all tolerant of what it considers to be apostasy or heresy. Witness the plight if the Baha’is in Iran and other Islamic countries who were killed in their thousands and continue to be persecuted to this day. Even within its own ranks, apostasy or heresy are given short shrift.
4: Islam has never been particularly tolerant of opposition, or proselytizing within its territories. See the case of Shabbetai Zevi (1666), for example, whose lunatic ramblings were fairly well tolerated in Judaism, but when he sailed off to convert Islam, he was rapidly given the choice of conversion or decomposition. Poor old Shabbetai had a rapid onset of sanity and wisely decided to keep his head.
Have a look at the account of the massacre of the Jewish tribe of Banu Qurayza, who made the mistake of opposing the movement in its early days. They met a cruel and brutal end, which nowadays would be defined as a war crime. This is a shameful episode in Islam and the Prophet himself presided over the executions.
5: Islam has always been intolerant of those who it sees as disrespectful of the Prophet, or the belief system. Witness the killings of those who have given offence, the fatwah against Salman Rashdi etc etc.
6: Yes women and children have rights as noted above. These, again, tend to be circumscribed rights within the system, however. Try marrying outside the faith, for example, or converting to another religion!
In many ways, large parts of Islam are not unlike Christianity was only a few hundred years ago, when they were burning and torturing people who would not toe the line of dictated belief. Eventually, I suppose, they too will be dragged kicking and screaming towards maturity and forced to behave.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:15 am
@asimonsays
I’m not talking about past, I’m talking about PRESENT! Wake up my friend, if Christians did wrongs in the past why Muslims doing wrongs now?! Muslims believes that they have best and last religion! So is this what they think? …and don’t worry, I have never taught my child hatred about Muslims because I’m not a Muslim and I can’t think like them. Hatred is one of the strongest things that Islam teach.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:19 am
hahaha they arent terrorists??
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
July 11th, 2009 at 12:31 am
new list
misconceptions about terrorists and suicide bombers
1 9/11 happened because of them
2.suicide bombers die after the bombing
3.they are harmfull to human beings
4.they want everyone on earth to follow islam
5.they are the reason for every damn trouble on earth
6.they kill people now beacuase their great great ancestors have been kille dby christians
7.they dont have a better life so they kill others
and finally
8 they are all muslims
July 11th, 2009 at 1:10 am
I love Muslims and pigs, but they’re fattening. I should go on a diet.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:40 am
this is fully rad. i want to find away to connect it to my blog… go you guys… i love god!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:07 am
1. thanks for posting the list, regardless of whether you may have a hidden agenda or not.
2. Some people here have made it seem that Islam and its followers live in a backwards society and are too primitive to adapt to the modern age of Science and all that.
- Women not allowed to have an education?
- Major muslim populations spread hate, while minority populations stir trouble?
- etc.
While I agree that in certain places, like the Philippines, where minor muslim populations cause a certain amount of trouble, it takes only a quick look at OTHER nations to get a bigger outlook.
come to singapore. over here, we muslims only make up about 15% of the population. I don’t see anything blowing up?
Women here are not restricted in the ways that some people have mentioned before this. Even though we have our own Islamic Court, (which YES, is run by the apparently horrific and cruel sounding Sharia Law) we still follow the way of the Govt. My sister will no doubt be able to pursue her degree soon. And will, yes, after reaching legal age, go ahead and get a licence and drive her ass wherever she wants to. You won’t find MuslimWomenRights groups or the like parading and rioting around here.
I could go on and on and on. But there wouldn’t be a point to it, because ignorant people will not change unless they witness something that is so obvious that even their warped minds will cease to be so narrow.
In fact, let’s just continue hating on Islam or Islamic Terrorism, whichever applies to you. Life’s more colourful that way. We humans need something to be negative towards to, otherwise the world would be just weird right? And if it wasn’t for Two Planes hitting a significant landmark, or a train blowing up, the world would find something else to put all their misery on. =)
I’ll be content practicing my religion as I am told to.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:12 am
I have been watching the comments since this list was posted and I have to say they have been more interesting than the list itself. My 2 pennies worth is simply if someone is hated they get a chip on their shoulder and become isolated. Far better to show love and understanding to people – its hard to hate when the people you hate are showing you love. Lol I sound like an old hippy
July 11th, 2009 at 2:19 am
@Lelia Thomas (30):
July 11th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Hey Random Asian, I’m Singaporean but my passport says I’m Javanese! =D
July 11th, 2009 at 2:32 am
@52-54-61-63-74-(i skipped the middle)-417-442:
Yep, Dont talk about hindus please, because they dont even hurt cows. Yes ofcourse, & to their other killings/massacres of other religions, we should turn a blind eye bcuz we have a more important matter to discuss, which being, Islamic Extremism.
Lets see, this Islamic terrorism thing started in the 90’s most likely, & way before that, a lot of other NON-MUSLIM terrorist organisations were operating. When the IRA (Irish Republican Army) would bomb or kill the english, no one would stereotype the entire Catholic faith. When the ETA (spanish) would, for their own SEPARATE homeland, bomb places, no one would blame the entire catholic faith, when the KKK would kill, burn & lynch innocent blacks, no one would blame the entire protestent faith, when the Red Brigade in Italy would commit acts of killing or other terrorist activities, no one would blame the whole christian faith, when the routine massacres of muslim serbs were committed by the croatian orthodox christians, no one blamed their whole christian orthodox religion, YET, when a small, & I mean SMALL percentage of muslims commit such hideous act, everyone blames the entire Muslim faith. This begs the question, WHY THE FUCK? The answer is, since these terrorist organisations predate the muslim organisation by a long time, no one talks of them. (also, cuz we had no internet then, or we would fuck everyone else by pointing out how their faith sucks, & also finding out a whole set of potholes & loopholes just to diss their religion) Also, if someones memory works, The Taliban & AL-Qaeda, which are responsible for nearly every suicide bomb/killing/massacre etc, were created by the U.S.A to counter the threat of Russia spreadin communism in south asia & were glorified everywhere. The western media publicised their motives, their ‘humane’ way of conduct. I still remember that when they were fighting in Afhanistan, regular funding seminars & get-togethers would be held all over the arabian peninsula. Osama was made a hero & was worshipped. But, when he served his aim, good ol America had enough of him & labelled them a terrorist organisation. Why? Ask America.
As for people saying that Saudi Arabia doesn’t allow building of Churches in its country, I ask them, can we build mosques in the Vatican? Ofcourse fucking not, because its their holy place & speciacially reserved for their religion. Also, I support this.
Those who said Women are Commanded to be covered from head to toe are talking complete bullcrap. There is no such thing but Islam does recommend wearing MODEST clothing & the one which doesnt expose their (private) parts.
As for women not allowed to drive, this, again, is complete bullshit. Every country, except Saudi Arabia allows driving for women.
As for marrying outside the faith, it is not looked upon with liking & is prohibited, but today, Muslims are allowed. You see Obama, he is a convert (he may not accept it), & if we were all such zealots, he would be dead by now. Recently, a muslim women in Pakistani film industry married a Hindu & went to the U.A.E, but no one thought of killing her. Sri Lankan cricketer Tilakaratne Dilshan is a convert, but no one is gonna kill him. Like this, their are many more examples.
Islam wasnt spread by the sword doesnt mean we are as peaceful as buddhists(maybe), it means that countries, where Muslims never even sent their armies, turned muslim. Like Malaysia, Indonesia, a whole bunch of African nations & central Asia.
Women aren’t allowed education. This has to be, IMO, the biggest misconception. IN the words of the Holy Prophet: ‘It is obligatory for ever muslim man AND WOMAN to seek knowledge from cradle to grave’
Also, ‘Try to seek knowledge, even if it may take you as far as china’
Let me tell you, Im a Pakistani & im a Pathan (Whom the talibans fully & Al-Qaeda mostly consist of), but we hate them. WE condemn their terrorist activities & if it passed your great minds, We are the ones suffering the most.
As for 441 (mike789) – Please, you gotta be kiddin me. Tell me, India is a secular state, or atleast supposed to be one, but this ‘negligible’ killings are okay. Man, your sense is the most fucked up i’ve ever seen. ‘Negligible’ Killings, which means that killing a couple thousands amouns to shit in a country of 1 billion. LOLZ. So, in your view, Taliban are also innocent because they have killed a ‘negligible’ amount of people if you take em in view of the whole population of the world. So, 1% of the story is it? WEll, its the only country with massacres on public scale. In a muslim country, ever heard of Massacres of other religions at public scale? NO, NOWHERE so does it happen but in India. And someone (i dont recall who) said that muslims were supposed to get that Gujarat riots treatment when they burnt 200 hindus in a train. Are you nuts? The person who did it was a hindu himself so that he could blame muslims & his name was Colonel Purohit with connection to the srs, ss, bjp, bjd etc etc. (1% of the picture, my arse.)
http://www.mypopkorn.com/news/lt-col-shrikant-purohit-masterminded-samjhauta-blasts-ats.html
http://www.groundreport.com/World/Samjhota-train-suspect-Colonel-Parohat-confesses-t_2
http://www.thenews.com.pk/updates.asp?id=60222
& for your info, their is nothing in Quran about suicide bombing/Bin laden (duh!). Do you even know what jihad really is? IT firstly, & i MEAN FIRSTLY, means Jihad-al-Nafs. This is the fight against your inner self which compels you to commit bad deeds. Muhammad (p.b.u.h) said that Jihad-al-nafs is way more difficult than Jihad-fee-sabeel-Allah (jihad in the way of Allah).
Hindus cant even dream for posts in Pakistan? Recently, A hindu was appointed chief justice of our supreme court. Religious tolerence not here? Well, the main shrine of Sikhs (of Guru Nanak Sahab) is in Pakisttan & scores of them come all the time.
Also, its not jfarter, Its Jfrater. & Jamie, please delete one entry with a very offensive user name (Allahf*****p***)
Thank you jamie & many others
July 11th, 2009 at 2:33 am
mopthefloor31,. You’re Singaporean too? OMG!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:39 am
Cant believe why ppl still believe in bullshit like religions and rituals..WTF EARTH? WTF????
July 11th, 2009 at 2:48 am
And to think some one went the extra mile to put up a list titled ”Mosconceptions about Islam” is even more hilarious. coz Religion itself is a misconception, theres bound to be misconceptions about a misconception.. thats natural.. this goes for other religions as well.
BOTTOMLINE = Bullshit Top Ten List.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:26 am
You guys are all comfortably sitting here and easily bad mouthing Islam. People like you don’t even take the initiative to clarify certain things for themselves and expect information to crawl to you. You deserve the butt-end of information that the media dumps on you for their own pleasure. You just believe what’s convenient for you and ignore others.
If you judge the whole Islam based on history then Christians were the worst because of a few fanatical leaders and popes who don’t deserve to be so.
“Muslims are savages and barbaric during war” is not a misconception. Who isn’t? War is savage and barbaric (WW1 and WW2).
If Islam was spread through sword then Christianity was spread through guns.
Anyways, all these things have only one source politics. Politicians just need more power and better media attention. They are the root of all evils.
To set records straight, I am not a Muslim nor do I have any thing against Christianity.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:36 am
@7raul7 474:
Samjhauta blasts did not predate Gujrat riots, Godhra did. A train full of hindu pilgrims were burnt to death by muslim miscreants. In the ensuing riots, 700 muslims and 250 hindus were killed.
While I am not condoning the riots in any way, the fact that close to 30% of those killed were Hindus in a state that has an overwhelmingly high hindu population points to the fact that it was not a state sponsored genocide.Unlike Nazis, Indians do not pack off muslims to concentration camps.
Col. Purohit has been suspected of bombing samjhauta, however, there has been no proofs to this. He is currently detained, along with a Hindu religious leader, because he is “allegedly” was involved in a blast close to a mosque. The India that you claim to be a “Hindu Fanatic” state, does not spare even Hindu religious leaders for being complicit in unlawful activities.
Whiule riots do break out in India, and both minorities and hindus are killed on those, there is no instance of the state supporting mass slaughter of people.
The Chief Justice of Pakistan may be Hindu, but in India, there has been 3 muslim presidents, muslim captains of cricket teams, the most popular movie actor is a muslim as are a bunch of other very important people.
I remember you ranting something about sikhs not being treated as humans in India. For you kind information, the current prime minister is a Sikh (who has been in power for last 6 years), and the previous chief of armed forces was a Sikh as well. If the two most powerful people in India have been minorities, that does speak volumes about its secular nature and pluralistic society.
Lastly, the links that you have given are from Pakistani sources. Would suggest that you open your eyes a bit and read up some unbiased international media. Yes, India does still have a long way to go, and riots do still sometimes break out, but its still a far cry from Pakistan where not only minorities but even fellow muslims (Ahmediyas) are persecuted.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:18 am
‘Hmmm I need more hits damn it’ I believe that was the agenda behind this list haha.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:35 am
I think that entire list is an attempted ‘white-wash’, and a bunch of crap. Do not listen so much what Muslims say, but but watch what they do around the world! I have never accepted the premise that Islam is even a religion. I view Islam with extreme prejudice!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Imagine there’s no heaven
It’s easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today…
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world…
You may say I’m a dreamer
But I’m not the only one
I hope someday you’ll join us
And the world will live as one
– John Lennon
July 11th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Children’s Rights in Islam:
The right to hold down & behead others while praising Allah (while mom & dad videotape), watch me in action:
Muslim kiddies behead Muslim man while praising Allah
Muslims or Arabs – see how non-Muslims are treated at last weeks Arab Festival in Dearborn, Michigan – how dare you misconcept us!
Dearborn Arab Fest ft. Hizbollah Security Guards
Wait – all these misconceptions – how about some more childrens rights in Minnesota – Muslim kids assault a gay guy walking down the street – more video tape:
Somali sharia law in action in by Minnesota Muslims
You guys really need to stop misconcepting Islam…
July 11th, 2009 at 6:19 am
@Matty (483): You think these are the teachings of Islam?
Does Catholicism teach how to sodomize alter boys? No
Does christianity teach how to invade the entire world and enslave others?
lol it actually does.
I proved my point
July 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am
@484. Precisely so.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am
@vindicatedfinally (248):
Very Funny that we have no concrete archeological proof where Jesus was born & lived. I am not saying that to insult Christians but to just point that these issues with religion depend more on faith. What matters here is that Hindus have always believed that their lord RAM was born in AYODHYA.
With respect to your question for proof of temple. The ASI report (that’s Archeology Survey of India): ASI Report on Ayodhya
Funny, that where is the news of ‘numerous mosques’ being demolished in Gujarat. Indian media is very sensitive to anything related to Muslims. If there was any demolition, rest assured we will have front seat coverage from India’s MSM.
Also funny that you bring the Issue of Haj. Muslims don’t have a problem in getting the Indian Government to cough Rs. 500+ crores ($100 million) EVERY YEAR to subsidize HAJ whereas the government cannot build facilities for Hindu Pilgrims. Amarnath is mountain-terrain and today has ZERO permanent facilities. Everything down to the community kitchen is temporary. The TRUST that controls Amarnath felt that it was in the best interest to build permanent facilities. But our dear Muslims leaders are so bloody greedy that they cannot the well-being of Hindu populance.
The most funny of your comment was the swipe on Hindu tolerance. Seriously, did you sleep in class? are you so blind to today’s events. Muslims, inspite of being rulers of India for 700 years get a lion’s share in affirmative action. Political leaders (most of them, Hindus!) fall over each other to announce benefits to Muslims. Why? I fail to understand. So, please don’t preach that Hindus need to show tolerance. Hindus can be accused of over-tolerance not intolerance, esp. towards Muslims.
Nice day to you …
July 11th, 2009 at 6:47 am
@479: Joey
I think you are either retarded or pretend to not understand what i said. If you say that colonel son-of-a-bitch wasn’t involved, you are better off hibernating.
http://news.indiamart.com/news-analysis/purohit-mastermind-o-20334.html
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/nov2008/hind-n06.shtml
http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/Purohit-supplied-RDX-for-Samjhauta-Express-blast-ATS/386143/
http://www.zeenews.com/Nation/2008-11-15/483779news.html
These are indian links.
Also, i never said that the STATE supports the massacres, i just said that these kind of activities are so very common in India (committed by the hindus), but no one pays attention.
And to say that they have Muslim cricketers, actors etc so they are secular is extremely stupid. If a person is talented & he can help his country, who the hell can stop him. And also, they aren’t disturbing or interfering with any sensitive matter so it isn’t a big deal if the govt. ‘allows’ them to come .
As you say that Pakistan has a comparitively smaller(way smaller) minority of hindus, they still get their chances. WE, too, have Hindu actors & actresses as well as cricketers who are christians or hindus. AT the same time, we don’t claim to be secular. Ahmediyes, are not muslims, they are just another sect with their own prophet, own rules, own ideas & philosophy, the only thing thats common is that they consider them selves converts to islam (for some reason). They are not persecuted, its only that in the 70’s, they were ruled, by the law, as non-muslims. Also, please, ffs, provide me with proof of persecution of minorities in pakistan like links, pics, videos etc etc. Otherwise, keep quiet & search.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:49 am
I am a Christian, and I am dismayed to see some of the comments on this blog. Christian history is filled with instances where things have gone wrong (the Crusades, for example), so I can understand why some extremists use Islam for their own purposes. With that having been said, Islam’s reason for existence is to make everyone a Muslim, which doesn’t sound like religious tolerance to me. Also, there’s no question that Mohammad had a child-bride. Even taking into account that women married as young as 12 or 13 in those times (Mary in the New Testament was quite likely between 12-14 when she gave birth to Jesus), a 6-year-old girl given into marriage (regardless of when it was consummated) would be considered a crime in any time frame. Furthermore, Mohammad created the Qu’ran using the already existing Scriptures of the Judeo-Christian faith nearly a couple of centuries after the resurrection of Christ, but he conveniently shaped the stories to suit his new “faith.” If these things do not hold up to scrutiny, then Islam falls apart. Granted, Christianity hasn’t always been adhered to as the Bible as the Good Book itself teaches, but Islam and the extremists who misuse it’s already faulty teachings have done more damage to the world today than almost anything else in human history. Take a good look at Iran on the news. I am not intolerant of other religions, but the misconceptions laid out for Islam here is justifying some already dubious statements. We have to make sure that we know the truth behind the statements so that we’re not fed just propaganda.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Remember when you got pissed as a kid because your class/school got punished or had something taken away because the actions of a few morons?
Now you grow up, and think it’s fair to do it yourselves, except the results of it are a lot nastier and damaging. I always thought people grew up and became less ignorant, but I suppose not.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Rick,
You can quote Hitler too!!
Here’s another notable Quotes:
Encyclopedia Britannica:
“….a mass of detail in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men.” (Vol. 12)
George Bernard Shaw said about him:
“He must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
Diwan Chand Sharma wrote:
“Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.”
D.C. Sharma, The Prophet of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)
K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian Professor of Philosophy in his booklet, (“Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam,”) calls him the “Perfect model for human life.”
He explains his point by saying:
“The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet. There is Muhammad, the Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad, the Statesman; Muhammad, the Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad, the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad, the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad, the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero.”
July 11th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Rick,
You can quote Hitler too!!
Here’s more notable Quotes:
Encyclopedia Britannica:
“….a mass of detail in the early sources show that he was an honest and upright man who had gained the respect and loyalty of others who were like-wise honest and upright men.” (Vol. 12)
George Bernard Shaw said about him:
“He must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it much needed peace and happiness.”
Diwan Chand Sharma wrote:
“Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him.”
D.C. Sharma, The Prophet of the East, Calcutta, 1935, pp. 12)
K. S. Ramakrishna Rao, an Indian Professor of Philosophy in his booklet, (“Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam,”) calls him the “Perfect model for human life.”
He explains his point by saying:
“The personality of Muhammad, it is most difficult to get into the whole truth of it. Only a glimpse of it I can catch. What a dramatic succession of picturesque scenes! There is Muhammad, the Prophet. There is Muhammad, the Warrior; Muhammad, the Businessman; Muhammad, the Statesman; Muhammad, the Orator; Muhammad, the Reformer; Muhammad, the Refuge of Orphans; Muhammad, the Protector of Slaves; Muhammad, the Emancipator of Women; Muhammad, the Judge; Muhammad, the Saint. All in all these magnificent roles, in all these departments of human activities, he is alike a hero.”
Michael H. Hart in his recently published book on ratings of men who contributed towards the benefit and upliftment of mankind writes:
“My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world’s most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.”
In the words of Prof. C. Snouck Hurgronje:
“The league of nations founded by the prophet of Islam put the principle of international unity and human brotherhood on such universal foundations as to show candle to other nations.” He continues: “The fact is that no nation of the world can show a parallel to what Islam has done towards the realization of the idea of the League of Nations.”
July 11th, 2009 at 7:18 am
@Moonbeam (482): HA! Pickin up some Utopian vibes there…but sorry Lennon, as long as there’s people, the world will never be perfect.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:23 am
@Matty (483): Wow! While the first video can be explained away as a few crazy people doing ridiculously crazy things, the second video of the guy just trying to ask a question is quite telling. Amazing.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Philosophy in his booklet, (“Muhammad, The Prophet of Islam,”) calls him the “Perfect model for human life.”
Yeah, the “perfect model”. I wonder if muhammad let his child bride Aisha hold onto her dolls as he raped her? Definitely a perfect role model. How intuitive of the Prof.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Rick, see? He supposedly used gas when everyone was using and he was racist when everyone was? And when was that? Less than a century ago. Funny then you think it is right to criticize a man who is followed as a prophet by more than a 1/4 of world’s population who did something 1400 years ago that was very normal.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Hey enigma, are you putting those people in that same catagory as a Prophet?
July 11th, 2009 at 8:25 am
crap crap crap, xians are doing wrong even as we speak right now, mostly to Muslims and non-westerns. Of course, they are not carrying out inquisitions or burning women alive etc. But just because you are comfortable in your apartment does not mean there are people who are not suffering from the action of the west directly or indirectly.
Right now, there are people suffering in the biggest prison camp of the world, starving and dying from lack of treatment etc, because of who action? And of course, there are innocent people being killed by them every now and then. As usual, they deny at first and later on only admit to have killed 30 children and women when everyone else says they were 120 dead etc. And this will be mere statistics because their lives is not worth even one life of an American. But you never see your wrong. It is like for you the world started after 9/11 whereas for some Muslims who have being suffering from your action, that was simply a way of saying enough is enough.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Individual Muslims may be peaceful, but the religion of Islam is far from being a religion of peace. Even to suggest such a thing is absurd.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Those people didn’t have the advantage of an all knowing Deity that created everything in existence. Did they, enigma. So I wouldn’t hold them to the same high standard. How about you enigma?
July 11th, 2009 at 8:33 am
No Rick. I was just trying to tell you that if we put things into perspective in relation to WHEN it was done, then we will get a very different result. So there are many things that look horrible to us in the modern world of today, but centuries ago were completely normal, very common and accepted. Racism, although it will always be there, is largely, at least officially and publicly, not tolerated today. But Churchil’s days, it was not uncommon. So was using gas which was not uncommon either.
Now marrying a 9 year old will look bad to you as a westerner in the 21st century. But if you remember that this occurred more than 14 centuries ago, and everyone saw it completely as normal then, then you see it in a different way, assuming it was not just hatred that lead you to see it as bad in the first place.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Very misleading list. Check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for another “list” of Muslim actions.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Very misleading list. Check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/ for another “list” of Muslim actions (as opposed to these words).
July 11th, 2009 at 8:43 am
“So there are many things that look horrible to us in the modern world of today, but centuries ago were completely normal”
Hey enigma, what about allah enigma? Why did allah see lots, and lots, and lots of things it didn’t like, and deemed them wrong, or halal. Like drinking alcohol for example, that was considered normal at that time period by most people, yet allah chose to ban it. Why didn’t allah know enough, (you know, like we do today) that old men should not be have sex with little children, and deem that haram like it did so many other common behaviors of that time period.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Sorry I meant Haram instead of Halal.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
This was a fascinating list and comments, except the mean nasty remarks from the children. I commented way back, but I thought it would be real neat to be number 500. WOOHOO!!
July 11th, 2009 at 8:51 am
@497 Dave The Sage
You are wrong there, it is the exact opposite thats going on. Our religion promotes great virtues and discourage violence. But it is those men who are the ones who are not peaceful. Those men are just using our religion and the definiton of Jihad as a lousy excuse of wanting to be tolerated for their inhuman actions. People as we know it have been using their faiths and beliefs to make people tolerate their shameful actions, and it is not only us Muslims who use the ‘Religion Excuse’ for violence but;
-The Hindus and Sikhs in India massacred muslims in their thousands, claiming it to be a ‘virtuos act’
-The Jewish Terrorists who killed scores of Palestinians and Englishmen in the late 1940s
-And even Christians. I am not trying to criticize all of you good Christian men and women out there but a loooong time ago during the Crusades, a Templar named Raynald de Chatillón lived in the middle east, massacring innocent arab and turkish merchants and claiming to be a ‘holy fighter’. But, Raynald was not a good man. I’m not saying that all Christians or Crusaders are bad, it’s only a few of them who conduct shameful acts.And just like Raynald, some of us Muslims like what you westerners call ‘terrosrists’ are also quite the same
July 11th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Alcohol is banned for a very god reason and as a Muslim, I am happy that it was banned. I never drank alcohol and never will and I don’t see anything I am missing as a result except problems and/or diseases.
The issue of marrying young girls is just different. It is just that in Islam, the age of consent (and the consent of those marrying is a condition) starts when one reaches puberty. So if a girl reached puberty at 9, 12, 14 etc. she can marry. Same with a boy. So a boy who reaches at teh age of 14 can marry a girl who reached puberty at age 9 etc.
Rick, I hope you learn a lot about Islam. You will like it.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:57 am
@Enigma (507): Well said.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Rick, I hope you learn a lot about Islam. You will like it.
When a muslijm tells me he’s happy that alcohol was banned, but not old men having sex with children as young as 9 years old, that just reinforces my belief that islam it the most vile and despicable ideology that has ever infected this planet.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:09 am
DHIMMI
July 11th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Rick Rick Rick
Waddya mean we’re pedos huh? R u a christian??? If u are, havent u ever heard of the story in the bible about that weird story of a man having sex with both his daughters to ‘Continue the blood of their civilization’ and oh that case of Fritzl, the austrian CHRISTIAN dude who locked his daughter up in a cellar for years to be a sex slave. We aint pedos but u guys are incestuos
July 11th, 2009 at 9:15 am
“1. Do not commit treachery”
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/29/truth-and-friends/
July 11th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Was Muhammad not a pedophile, slave-trader, tyrant, thief and murderer? The original terrorist? It seems even original Islamic sources validate this notion. Will anybody actually deny this?
July 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
“1. Do not commit treachery”
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2008/08/18/movers-and-shakers/
July 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
this list is bullshit.i request u all pls fr ur god sake dont be so rude to islam.my brothers.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
RICK @509
waddya mean by ‘my belief that islam it the most vile and despicable ideology that has ever infected this planet’? We aint the ones who’s worshipping a dead guy on a wooden plank or makin ourselves believe that some carpenter who is the King of the Jews is God. So if Jesus IS god, how the hell did god die?????
July 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am
“4. Do not kill children
5. Do not kill women
6. Do not kill aged men”
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/05/11/the-gas-must-flow/
July 11th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Hey M_M i’m not Christian. Why did you assume that i was?
And my guess about Jesus would be that if a Deity is suppose to be creator of everything in existence, and have powers far beyond what the human mind could ever hope to comprehend in a trillion, trillion years, then a God dying on a cross to forgive man’s sins wouldn’t be child’s play.
Or don’t you think your allah has such powers as well?
July 11th, 2009 at 9:28 am
#514 Truth
You don’t seem to live up to your username eh?
Pedophile – A CHRISTIAN Austrian Man locks his daughter up for years to be a sex slave and beared with her 3 children
Slave Trader – A long time ago, White Europeans from mainly Britain and Portugal who are CHRISTIANS made the world’s biggest slave trading revolution to make native africans slaves to work day and night in sugar and cotton fields
Tyrant – A long time ago, a CHRISTIAN man in Russia called Ivan The Terrible ruled Russia using TYRANNY AND OPPRESION to his own people
Thief – When the ‘New world’ was discovered by the Spanish who are CHRISTIANS, they quickly move onto ROBBING and MASS MURDERING Aztec people of their Gold, Silver and Citizens to work in mines and robbed entire Incan Treasuries of gold
Murderer – About some time back, the CHRISTIAN Britons, Spanish and a whole lot of other CHRISTIAN EUROPEANS had what you call the sixty years war in which millions perish and oh, after they done killing each other, they move on to killing and oppressing the Natives in their individual Colonies for wealth and whatever the fuck it is you whites are into
July 11th, 2009 at 9:29 am
“and oh that case of Fritzl, the austrian CHRISTIAN dude who locked his daughter up in a cellar for years to be a sex slave”
I’m curious Asian, do Christians beleive that Austrian “dude” was the perfect man? Just curious.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RICK
Yes Allah SWT. HAS EVERYTHING and A god Cannot die. It doesnt make sense the sole creator of the universe can perish out of existence
July 11th, 2009 at 9:31 am
lol Rick I sense a lot of hostility… Did I muslim bully you as a child? lol You would think so…
You act like Islam did something to you PERSONALLY, u need to relax, u have to realize people are going to believe what they want whether u like it or not…. RELAX..
July 11th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Why do we feel we HAVE to shoot down everyones’ beliefs? Can’t we just accept one’s opinions whether we completely disagree with them or full-heartedly support it? Probably not. But it’s called respect and tolerance people. Get a life.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Oh I dont know Rick, I’m curious also that you are saying MY religion promotes pedophilism and yet there has been proven that a christian white man was doing all that shit. Fritzl isnt the only one doing that kinda shit. Was Michael Jackson a Muslim? I don’t think so
July 11th, 2009 at 9:37 am
@523 Mastermind Assalamualaikum again
I personally hate Christians cuz a Christian man burned my old house back in China so I havta move here to Indonesia and adopt a new life. That Christian missionary told me n my family that us Uighurs are ‘Filthy Muslim Beasts’ and that we must convert for salvation or he’ll burn our house down which he did.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:37 am
“u have to realize people are going to believe what they want whether u like it or not…. RELAX..”
I’m relaxed Mastermind. My feet are up and I’m enjoying refreshing beverage. Why would you think I’m not relaxed. By the way are you still working on that list?
July 11th, 2009 at 9:40 am
@526
Assalamu ‘Alalikum Wa Rahmatullah
I dont hate christians but i hate people that intentionally go out of there way to talk about a persons beliefs, RICK!
are u getting paid for this? hell no! get a life chump!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:41 am
@Random Asian (526): That’s generalizing. Just because one messed up Christian guy burned down your house doesn’t mean that all Christians are like that. Some people are just ignorant and intolerant.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Rick: What list?
I have a life, what do i have to prove to u? I dont even know u lol, use your brain. I live in the real world, not the cyber one. lol
July 11th, 2009 at 9:46 am
“personally hate Christians”
LOL, my, my, look how quick the hypocrites are to condemn that statement. Hey mastermind should he be realaxing. LOL
July 11th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Good to see someone else clearing the grave misconceptions about Islam that are clouding political decisions due to domestic ignorance. I have further clarification of the role of Political Islam: aworldlyaffair.wordpress.com
July 11th, 2009 at 9:46 am
@Nobkin 529
Sorry dude, I didn’t mean to insult your religion Im just trying to tell sum ignorant asswipe(RICK) that my religion isn’t promoting violence and conversion through oppresion
And oh, mastermind’s right Im going out in a while and Rick I hope you get a life soon instead of being an overpaid biatch in fronta da com making crazy comments to a good religion
July 11th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Oh God, Rick ur so fucking sad xD. Getting a freaking Orgasm over a little comment about christianity. Get a life, go join a Frat or sumting
July 11th, 2009 at 9:50 am
@mom242 (309)
check out the book: cows, pigs, wars, and witches. It will really enlighten you as to why the Jewish people don’t eat meat. To put succintly it is because the Middle East climate doesn’t suit the pig, it is too hot and dry for them. Not that they are dirty but that it was far easier to have sheep or goats, and therefore it would be a waste of resources to try and keep pigs.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:54 am
” little comment about christianity”
No orgasm muslim, I was just pointing out that your statement of hatred was not addressed by the hypocrites probably because it never bothered them.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:55 am
@Random Asian 533
No worries. Everybodys’ religion (or lack thereof) has some f***ed up fanatics. Sorry about your home by the way.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Hey does anyone know how many native Americans (and by that I mean any group indigenous to both North and south America) where killed by the incoming Europeans. Yeah that would be millions. All in the name of Manifest Destiny; we are white so we have a right from god to kill all of you. Pssh… don’t condemn others citing genocide when you ignore what your own ancestor have done. Read some history, everyone is equally fallible. We are all human. Get over yourselves. Learn to love someone other then yourself.
kudos to MoonBeam if only if only
Peace and Love to everyone
July 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Yes, there are a lot of misconceptions about Islam among Christians. Islam is not “the enemy”. However, there are some problems in Islam, all is not perfect, and this article seems a little too eager to sort of whitewash things. I have not read the Koran but in regard to the actual practice of a religion, it is telling if expansion frequently occurs only through military conquest, if minorities are persecuted or not allowed to express their ideas publicly, and if members are forbidden from investigating other religions or converting to other religions. When that is the practice of a religion, as it has been with the Christian faith in the past and as it frequently is with Islam today, it is fair to wonder whether the practitioners really know God.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:48 am
this list just useless, any body happy with the debate ?
July 11th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Alright, this looks like it could run for a while – so lets take a short break. As mentioned WAAAAAY back at the beginning of this little jaunt, the way the news is reported is a major player in our unrest. Lets take the piss out of the news for a bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_amyJCLmMY8
Ahhh, thats better…
On with the mayhem!
July 11th, 2009 at 11:36 am
VERY misleading
How was Mohammed not a Pedophile? He married Aisha when she was 4 years old?
What about him in the Hadith and Sunnah saying Necrophilia, Beastiality and raping boys is ok?
The cure for the cult of Islam: RISPERDONE
What have they invented in 800 years? NOT A DAMN THING.
It’s a repressive DEATH CULT that collects jiza tax off the host country, INBREEDS like flies and causes trouble…turns everywhere into a ghetto.
Women’s rights? hhahahhahahhahhahahhahahahh
In Saudi Women can’t even drive cars.
What about Honor Killing? Even if their dad or brother rapes the girl they kill the girl? WTF. What kind of ‘logic’ is that?
What about COUSIN MARRIAGES causing GENETIC problems for our HUMAN population.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:49 am
May I suggest you dub this list the “Most Controversial” and also “Most commented on” list on listverse.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Kudos Lifeschool: the media is the real problem here rather than just regurgitate what they tell us we need to research for ourselves and come up with our own opinions, not those of the newscasters.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Islam is the religion of a failed society. Without oil, Muslim countries would be full tilt in the camel and tent business and little else.
Their religion is the creation of what appears to be a paranoid, psychopathic pedophile with delusions of grandeur.
Those traits are often seen in the shouting mobs at various and regular Muslim protests all over the world.
And by the way all you idiots with pig-fright, if you cook pork before you eat it, you won’t get sick.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Holyshit!!! those who think that their religion is better than what others believe are brainwashed and slaves of their own beliefs. And if you think that only the Muslims got blood on their hands, please do some reading and come back to listverse. Btw this must be really entertaining for atheists ,could picture them sippin a soda and throwing pop corns in their mouth.
If you believe that your salvation is on some prophets hand, or if you think that someone else could wash away your sins you are mentally retarded.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
YOU ARE YOUR OWN FUKING GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Did everyone get warm fuzzies about Islam? “Great list”… “great list”… You forgot to mention the Ayatollah Khomeini, by the way. Remember him? But, I guess since it was only ONE little country over which he was the “Supreme Leader” (highest ranking political and religious authority), he’s one of those bad apples you’re talking about. Iran is one of those bad apples in the minority, too. Right?
As far as tolerance of other faiths, I’m sure Salman Rushdie would agree that Muslims are ve-e-e-e-e-e-ery tolerant of other beliefs. Yep.
I notice you steered clear of discussing 9/11, especially in those ten “rules” Muslims follow in the conduct of war. You know, about not destroying buildings or killing women or children. I guess that’s why those thousands of people weren’t celebrating in the streets in Iraq when the twin towers fell. Still, it was only a few bad apples who caused 9/11… and a few thousand bad apples who supported the act of terrorism.
You know, it doesn’t alter the picture to paste hearts and rainbows all over it. You cause just as many problems trying to blow sunshine up everybody’s @ss as those who are doom mongering.
Muslims are no more peaceful or tolerant than Christians, and if you believe Christians are loving and accepting of their fellow man, you’ve never seen them protest gay rights. Or planned parenthood. Or… basically anything they don’t agree with.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
@543 Adfx
Hey you bloody MotherFucker! You better watch what you’re fucking saying!!! In 800 years we invented more useful things and discovered way more about Science, Astronomy, Math and medicine way more than you Westerners while you wiggas are busy hacking each other into pieces. Adfx, you’re lucky you’re not saying that in front of me personally or in public loudly in Saudi Arabia which is the country that supplies nearly half of the entire oil demands in the world. I don’t care what religion you are but if I ever see you fucking say something like that again in front of me personally, I will make sure you will live the rest of your life without your skin and tongue…. Amien
July 11th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/quote1.html
July 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Bah.
Seriously, people. Yes, Islam is not purely peaceful. But neither is Christianity or Hinduism or Judaism or any other vast number of religions.
It is simply the terrorist attacks of 9/11 as well as US’s continued war in Afganistan and Iraq that seem to fill many westerners with the absurd idea that all Muslims are explosive-toting psychopaths who will immediately bomb any populated building the moment people’s backs are turned. As many Muslims live practicing thier religion peacefully as any other religion.
As many people have committed terrible acts in the name of God as have in the name of Allah. It is simply a question of whether you will open your eyes to everything before waving your arms and stereotryping an entire people.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
@543 Adfx
No seriously kid, we invented more fucking things then your civilisation in the middle(medieval) ages. Get that? No? Go google it.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
mastermind – this is a comments board, no? So who are you to say I cannot make a comment? Go fck yourself you delusional idiot, go back to your gaming and comics before your Mom calls you up from the basement for your PB&J you loser.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
@Adfx (543): It sounds like you’re a prime example of “COUSIN MARRIAGES causing GENETIC problems for our HUMAN population.”
July 11th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
@551 Random Asian: “I don’t care what religion you are but if I ever see you fucking say something like that again in front of me personally, I will make sure you will live the rest of your life without your skin and tongue”
There’s a peaceful guy, right there. Thanks for reinforcing what the guys have been saying all along.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Whilst I believe the writer has honorable and compassionate intentions – one must realize that there are exceptions to every rule albeit, Jewish, Christian, Muslim, or Zoroastrian – admit it, we are going to find idiosyncrasies with everything when it comes to humankind.
As an example there are numerous fallacies contained within this list alone. So we ask ourselves: ‘How can a father shoot and kill his 21 year old daughter for evading an arranged marriage; Why do we see on international television humans being beheaded, by those who espouse “surrender to God:” and to say that a kid cannot be hit in the face is ridiculous insofar as there are great soccer players throughout Islam who use their heads for sport.
The real deal here, as far as I’m concerned, is that a person would take their time and effort to clarify some notions about being a Muslim and devoted to Islam. For this action alone, I appluade the writer and thank him/her for at least trying to make a difference. Cheers!!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
If you really believe that death leads to eternal bliss, then why are you wearing a seatbelt? – Doug Stanhope.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Well… interesting COMMENTS, I may say…
As a moslem woman in the highest number of moslem people in the world (read: Indonesia).
Please note that:
1. WE ARE FREE TO CHOOSE WHETHER WE WANT TO WEAR VEIL OR NOT.
2. WOMEN RIGHTS IS PRETTY MUCH PROTECTED (We can divorce our husbands if they failed to provide us or do us harm)
3. WE DON’T STRAPPED OURSELVES WITH DYNAMITES DAILY
4. WE DO NOT CARRY WEAPONS CONCEALED OR OPENLY (on purpose to kill ‘infidels’ as you would say it)
5. Have anyone heard the verse “for you, your religion, and for me, my religion”? (that goes to whatever form of religion you belief – even the atheist)
Can we just make peace? Blame no religion for what the person did, evil has no religion.
Thank you for putting up this list.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Nice sentiment anyway. How do you juggle Sunnis and Shia in Iraq constantly blowing each other up? Silly question – sorry I know the answer. It’s G.Bush’s fault. How do you justify Hamas and Fatah constantly at each others throats, the Taliban committing the autrocities on Pakistani civilians or the Somalis performing amputations on thieves? It is too bad because I know many practicing Moslems that have been pigeoned holed with the lunatics but you people need to get you house in order.
I just thought I’d bring the conversation back to earth.
One last comment. If I were to marry a 9 year old whether her family promoted it or not I would be considered a pedofile. Come on – a 9 year old. Are you kidding me?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
@jimibauer
May I answer that point “have you seen a woman with veil eating spagetti or burger”?
Yes, plenty of times… oh wait… everytime I passes McDonald I saw them eating burgers
If you say, come to London, then I would say… come to Jakarta you’ll see more that you’ll expect (from what I gathered of your writting)..
July 11th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
@555 Tim B
Go fuck yourself Tim B. Go whack off on sum Israeli porn or sumthing. Yes this is a comment board but your comments are way too overboard and us Muslims hate that so go fuck a horse.
@557 Joey
You cant generalise every muslim as a violent Uighur Refugee living in Indonesia (ME). Its like saying like everybody from your country are all inbred and as homosexual as you are
July 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Guys!!!!!!! Lets all stop arguing and sing Don’t Worry Be Happy. Heres a little song I wrote, U might wanna sing it good for words but Dont Worry, Be happy
July 11th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
erm… not meaning to defend my belief, but just to add a bit…
I am moslem, female, 30 years old, single, I have a psychology degree, I am a researcher, I drive alone, I came home (most of the time) after 10PM – ALONE, oh… I don’t wear veil because I choose not to wear them and no one shoot me to death because of it
July 11th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
560-odd comments in 39 hours? This must be one of the most commented lists!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I thought this site was moderated! Show some class you guys. The author attemtped to makes some reasonable points but typically it got distorted to explitive ridden rants. If you don’t agree with what the guy is saying make an intelligent rebuttal. It is somewhat idiotic to devolve into this language. I don’t believe some of what the guy said but he has a right to say it.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Hey Hapitri!!!! Udah nggak usah ngerepot-repot urusin orang orang ini. Mereka orang gila, gak ada pendirian, kerjanya ngikutin yang diomongin di TV aja jadi udah deh..
July 11th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Over 560 comments in 39 hours
July 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
@Random Asian…
lah kamu sendiri kenapa marah2??
ayo pake kepala dingin, kita buktiin kalo kita bukan manusia barbar yang cuma tahu bunuh, bunuh and bunuh
Jangan emosi yaa…
July 11th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Yaa udah lah, aku juga masuk ke internet mau santai dikit. Di Jakarta Macet melulu sich jadi stress melulu. And oh, aku bukan orang indo lagi. Aku orang cina tapi rumahku di cina di bakar sama misioner kristen jadi pindah di sini karna banyak orang islam. Makanannya enak lagi
Yaa udah aku gak marah lagi deh ok?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
What nobody here likes Rasta?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
@mastermind357 -comment 335
So you found a medical anomaly that matured at age 5. What do you figure the odds are that Muhammed’s child bride just happened to be the second youngest female on record ever to begin menstruating? I’d say slim and none.
Even if she was menstrutating, sex with a 9 year old is still child abuse.
@some can be so…-comment 350
See above comment on the pregnant 5 year old. As for the rape case, I did an article on it in 2007. She was found guilty of being in a car with a male not her relative. This was her big crime. For this, after being gang raped, they sentenced her to 90 lashes. There was an international hue and cry over the verdict but the Saudi court defended it by simply saying that the charges were “proven.”
So please explain to me “what really happened” as you say and how it make so much more sense.
Yeah, Islam does wonders for women.
As for your reference to comment 317, like I said, I judge by what people do not what they say. The list talks about ideals that the current practice of Islam is nowhere near matching.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
@voiceovermoderation #560
Yes it’s true in Iraq dose guys r having trouble cuz of a big division in religion sects, just like The Catholics and The Protestants a long time ago in Europe but that only means that us Muslims are human too so we make mistakes, we have conflicts, but it is our approach that could solve this but about the pedophilia thing, in Saudi Arabia, 2003, a man married an 11 year old but, on the condition that the two could only have intercourse after she reaches the age of adulthood which is 18, not puberty
July 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
EVERYBODY, I have been to Saudi Arabia but, their laws there are not neccessarily fully religious, but, more of a cultural thing rather. I mean unlike in Saudi, most of the other muslim countries around the world does not justify Honor Killings, Pedophilia and those other statements you guys are babbling about. You guys have to remember that culture and religion is not the same
July 11th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
@Random Asian…
Selamat datang di Indonesia kalo gitu
lho… Macetnya jakarta itu salah satu tourist attraction
Innalillahi.. buat rumah kamu yah…
emang disini byk org islam… tp Indo kan rasis banget
maaf kalo kamu menemukan byk masalah krn ras
Shalat subuh yuk
@jimibauer
I just remember one more thing… the reason moslems don’t eat burgers outside their countries is because we are aware those burgers, sausages, spaggetti sauce, etc. contains pork… we are forbidden to eat pork.
@Bob Marley…
resurrected???
July 11th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
@hapitri (576): Hapitri, you seem to have a great deal of intelligence. I wish you would write English so we can all participate.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
HAHAHA Hapitri aku tinggal di Indonesia udah lama buaanget. Jadi Gak apa lah rasis sih udah biasa. Sebelumnya aku tinggal di Cina cuma sampe umur 10 tahun aja abisnya aku udah 14 tahun di sini. Bagus juga koq di indo ga apa apa. Aku malah lebih seneng di sini daripada di sana. Di tempat kerja juga nggak begitu di asingkan koq. Iya yach aqu Shalat dulu jadi pamitan aja dulu sekarang. Nanti Siang Aku bakal dines dulu ke Bandung jadi OK bye.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
577 voiceofmoderation
No she is not exchanging intelligence. We are just getting to know each other but we prefer to speak in Indonesian. See? This type of ‘poke your nose into other people’s businesses’ is what you Americans do best. And look where you wind up, Afghanistan looking for some guy in a tunnel cave network.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
@Random Asian
Exactly! People keep blindly mixing up the dominant religion with the actual laws of a country.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
@Random Asian (574): The Catholics and Protestants were going at it pretty heavily in Northern Ireland in the recent past. The real difference to me is in scale and the absolute potential for the rest of the world to get sucked into these tribal problems. I think you would agree most of the world is on a hair trigger right now and Islam in the middle east is the tip of the spear. What they did in Belfast stayed in Belfast.
As far as the 9 year old goes. We had Michael Jackson and he was worshipped as we have seen but that doesn’t make it right. I don’t think a prohibition regarding intercourse is going to stop anyone if their intent is to molest a minor. Unless of course the perpetrator has other wives that would hang the guy out to dry.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
@voiceofmoderation
I beg your pardon for my impoliteness… I got over excited to meet someone of my country
like Random Asian would say, we’re just getting to know each other and it was rude of us to use bahasa in international discussion…
@Random Asian
Yes, let’s do morning pray
And have a safe trip to Bandung, the traffic will be hellish at the highway…
Assalamu’alaikum…
And with that I bade you all a good night (or morning in my case)
July 11th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
True that only the radical muslims are the ones doing the killing and the majority would probably like to live in peace with their neighbors. However, whenever there is strife or conflict, generally some radical muslim group isn’t far behind. Watch the video, “What Islam is Not”.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
I would suggest to the owner of this website that after this appalling liberal propaganda shilling for islam, that you allow someone, preferably an ex muslim, to list 10 reasons why Islam is indeed a brutal murderous ideology founded by a murderous man…muhammed!
Lets see some balance here folks…Islam is to peace what Stalin was to property owners…
July 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
All right people I have to really go prepare for a business trip now before our Indonesian city traffic gets too hellish as usual. Voiceovermoderation, nice debating with you but I have to go so good night to you
July 11th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
@Random Asian (579): Then exchange email addresses or get a room. It’s obvious no one can exchange intelligent ideas with you.
To add to your education, which it appears they don’t offer where you come from, the only reason we would step foot in Afganistan is because the Taliban would not turn over one of the world’s worst criminals. Since Iraq now appears to be able to take of themselves we will now go into Afganistan in force and put US boots firmly up the ass of any of your cohorts that get in our way. You 7th century rejects are going to find out all kinds of new things in the coming months. Judging by the latest book posted on the Memri site the lunatics are beginning to sweat and they have good reason to. Why don’t you volunteer your services there so you can get a good look at what a Hellfire missle can do?
July 11th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
@Nobkin
Saudi Arabia is a Theocracy. You cannot separate Islam and the law in Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia claims its laws are Islamic Law. It has declared the Quran is its constitution. Criminal trials are held in Sharia courts.
Indonesia on the other hand is a Republic that has a healthy set of secular laws. Its Religious Courts handle mostly family matters and never criminal cases. Interestly enough I’m told that the Religious Family Courts in Indonesia are widely viewed as fair and trustworthy.
Secular society tends to bring out the best in religion. Religions are ok as long as they have no political power. It’s when they can make the rules that things go to hell.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
So yeah, why are most of the “BLARGLE ISLAM IS EEEEEEEVUUUUUUUUL!” posters assuming that the few represent the many? A single Christian man who murders a child and then misquotes the Bible to justify his murder doesn’t somehow mean that all Christians everywhere think that murdering little kids is just fine and dandy.
Yes, the Ottoman Empire did terrible, horrible things. They were cruel, and they were violent. But does that mean, because many, if not most, of the people living in the empire were Islamic, that EVERY person who follows the path of Islam supports, encourages, or otherwise thinks that what has been done in the name of their religion is right? How about we start up a gigantic movement to denounce Christianity and perform hate crimes on those who follow it, simply because of the Crusades? That’s just about as logical.
And before it’s questioned, no, I am not Islamic. Nor am I a Christian. I have no religious bias vested in this, simply a mind-boggling surprise at how many people like to open their mouths and sound “smart” in regards to controversial subjects.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I don’t agree with #7.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya
Summarily, Jizya tax is levied by Muslim rulers on non-Muslim citizens to ensure that they practice their religion peacefully.
The question here is not how others perceive Islam. Islam is as much misunderstood by its followers as the westerners. That explains why there are so many Islamic terrorist organizations.
It is not the westerners or someone else who are bringing bad name to Islam, it is those few fanatics who misunderstood their own religion are the ones defaming Islam.
I am from India and if you closely follow the Moghul rule in India, you would really appreciate the contrast between Akbar and Aurangzeb.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
As an Indian, I know very well about my country and the history.
Ialam was spread (is spreading silently) by the sword by muslim empires. Another method is additional taxes which could not be paid by the poor and denying rights. So the poor peoples will have no way other than convert to muslim.
There are plenty of proofs around the histries.
You ( the author) just extracted the words and sentences form your holy book. But what was happned and what is happening..
I accept that there are many good and fine muslims, but they are not strict in thier religion, they are moderate.
But majarity of muslim blindly following some idiot idealogies and making the world peaceless and restless.
Here is mine, I was an affair with a muslim girl and ready to marry her without any conditions. But what they did, they asked me to convert to muslim or leave the girl. I asked the girl, but she refused to marry me against their family (or religion). SO I have no choice other than leave that girl.
So, they are all in the way to spread thier religion by any way….that may be soft, hard or extreme…
July 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
The world is filled with all kinds of people, and some of them are just plain crazy. Some of those crazy people are also going to find religion, be it Islam, Christianity or something else. There are a few Christian wach jobs that sometimes make all of us look bad. I happen to be an evangelical Christian, but consider myself to be pretty “normal.” Every time Fred Phelps is on the news shouting “God hates fags” at a military funeral, I want to shut that guy up as much as any other sane person. Fox News annoys me plenty, I assure you.
All Muslims are not terrorists just like all Arabs are not. There are a few Arab Muslim extremists that are terrorists, and I imagine peace loving Muslims following the teachings of Muhammad are in the same boat I’m in. A few wach jobs make all of us look bad. And then to the Agnostic or Atheist, all they see is how crazy “religion” makes people. Christians should be able to relate to Muslims on these issues.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
While the commenting on this list is kind of over I think it might be important to mention, just based on the first 100 or so comments I read, that not everything in the Qu’ran is practiced by all Muslims (myself included)the same way as not everything in Christianity is practice by all Christians.
“But majarity of muslim blindly following some idiot idealogies and making the world peaceless and restless.”
- From above me
If that were true things would be a lot different. I think that if a majority of the 1 point some odd billion muslims were all war-mongering barbarians then a lot more people would know about it.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Also, I agree with Clark above me and wish Listverse had a thumbs up button.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
drop kick – yes Islam does teach it – read the Quran and hadiths – fight the unbeliever, smite at their necks…hello – doesn’t get any more clear than that – Muhammid was a warrior who personally beheaded many…he killed the brother, father, and husband of one of his wives-to-be
Islamic law also permits Muslims to sodomize animals as long as they kill it afterward, and don’t eat the meat
July 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Wonders what happens if a Muslim catches swine flu lol
July 11th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
love it. thanks.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
552 Tim B: Yeah its a comment board but nobody cares about what u “think” of the list, just like I told you already! If it’s so full of crap, why are u still commenting on it almost two days after it was posted genius? ANSWER THAT!!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
You made an excellent point Clark Bunch. I totally agree with you.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Good compilation. There are more misconception about Islam, but they are maily because of the moslem themselves that corrupt the teachings. Lots of people blame the teachings instead of reading the Quran by themselves, just like lots of moslems don’t bother reading the Quran and just follow what is taught by their parents or teachers.
For examples, Moslems must have faith to Quran and all the ‘books’ before Quran, not the books after Quran. Which means, faith to Bible and Torah (Al Quran 2:4). Try telling them they should read the bible before the hadits, and tell them it’s written in the Qur’an. See how they react (or read some of their comments in my blog). The point is, moslems themselves are the one giving bad impression to Islam.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I’m new here, and for sake of perspective, could I please have some background on the compiler of this list? Thank you.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
alencon 572: Even if she was menstrutating, sex with a 9 year old is still child abuse.
That is only “child abuse” by modern standards…..
How is that so hard to understand. If we as human beings across this planet never heard of a law called “child abuse” and we, hypothetically speaking, started having sex with females after they start menstrating, what would you say then?? Please answer that questing, Please! There was no “child abuse” during Muhammad’s and/or biblical times. SOMEBODY please respond to that with an intelligent answer. If that was all people of that time knew, how can you possibly hold it against them??
July 11th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Even if child abuse or pedophillia did not exist in those times, surely your morals must tell you there’s something wrong having sex with a child. How could anybody see that this was right, even conception would be out of the question at that age.If God or Allah or whoever was telling you to do this then I for one dont want to follow him. No thanks you can keep religion
July 11th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
If he was the god (or messenger of god), he should know that it’s wrong.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
603: Even if child abuse or pedophillia did not exist in those times, surely your morals must tell you there’s something wrong having sex with a child.
You have to understand, im going to repeat it again… If that was all people of that time knew, how can you possibly hold it against them?? morals? that concept doesn’t hold water. If we are raised that females become “women” when they have their periods and thats all we are told, your morals will just tell you that nothing is wrong with it. Keep in mind, MOST females have their period around the age 13 or 14. However, Aisha was a special case, some females come on earlier and later than others, just b/c she was 9 you wouldnt be thinking it’s wrong. By todays standards you would b/c all we know now is “child abuse” They didnt think like that. Open your minds and stop trying to make something more than wat it is.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
why don’t you understand that A 50 YEAR OLD GOD LIKE MAN SHOULD KNOW THAT XXX WITH 9 YEAR OLD GIRL IS WRONG. He should be example for others, but he did a bad example for others to do such a bad thing.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Obviously a hot topic. I have to shut down the subscription because my email is saturated with post notifications. You did a great job of inciting comment. It is too bad 50% is worthless hate postings, endemic to the blogosphere. For those of you who wished to have honest, open communication it is too bad that it just never seems to happen. In addition to that if the author really tried to moderate the posts he would be accused of censorship. If anyone has any ideas of how to get around this problem please post to my currently empty blog at http://voiceofmoderation.wordpress.com/ and leave some ideas. Although I don’t agree with much of this list or other blogs I have been to they always engender hateful responses. It gets old. To the author – THANK YOU for opening the debate.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
” If that was all people of that time knew, how can you possibly hold it against them?? ”
Yeah, well what about allah Mastermind? If the people were too ignorant at that time to know, wouldn’t allah the all knowing god have the brains to tell the dirty filty old man not to fuck little children?
July 11th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Regarding your claim that the Islamic faith is tolerant of other religions, this is simply not true. Synagogues and churches in islamic middle eastern countries are constantly bombed and their attendees slaughtered. It is forbidden to leave the Islamic faith and to do so is punishable by death. This may be the case with other religions but it doesn’t make the claim that islam is tolerant of other faiths any more true.
One just has to look at the countries that live under islamic or sharia law: look at Iran, Saudi Arabia. How great is their human rights record? Do the Saudi or Iranian governments really respect the democratic rights of their people? Why are women not allowed to drive in Saudi? I attend a boarding school in Australia where I am in contact with lots of international students, many of them muslim. Guess what gender all the muslim students are? Yes, they are BOYS. This would suggest that women are not valued enough in their society to bother sending them to overseas for a good education. Wouldn’t it?
July 11th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
I agree with your post.. It’s good,, two thumbs up!!
July 11th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
@ mastermind357 – 601
But we have heard of “child abuse.” You’re preaching “moral relativism” or “cultural relativism” which I might point out Islam, as well as Christianity, absolutely reject.
Both religions state that God and morality are unchanging (don’t take my word for it, check it out) therefore if it was acceptable in Muhammed’s time, and no new revelation has occured, then it must still be acceptable.
And remember, supposedly Muhammed provided the final revelation.
Yet I think we all would agree that sex with a 9 year old, menstruating or not, with her parents permission or not, is today utterly unacceptable behavior. It would get you locked up, the key thrown away and the hell kicked out of you daily by the other inmates.
So unless God is not unchanging and morality does evolve, which is the secular humanist philosophy, your argument about moral or cultural relativism doesn’t hold up. Islam itself rejects it.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Wow-wow-wow!!!
This is one of nice article that we should discuss it together.
Hmm, for what i have seen, Those who didn’t See the moslem DEEPLY always talk something bad (maybe not all too).If we want to talk about this, maybe we should read and read the Holy Qur’an and Hadist of Prophet Mohammad S.A.W.
We could learn and conclude ourself “what is muslim” if we learn only by ourself. Not talk with another HUMAN who hate muslim, then we persuaded to hate muslim itself without see by ourself.
WHOSE AGREE WITH ME, SHOW ME YOUR THUMBS!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Since the atheists have an answer for everything, watch this, straight from an atheist’s mouth, maybe you’ll take it from him…………
July 11th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
READ IDIOTS….
http://www.answering-christianity.com/aisha.htm
July 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
@ mastermind357
Pefect Counterattack to those Idiots!!!
What a Real-Real-Real Idiots!!!!
Maybe Not Atheists, But Infidels Is true!!!
Infidels= Idiots+Fools (Jahilliyah).
Maybe because there was many Bible in the Christianism so they cannot take what is the thruth and what is the wrongs because the bible itself was manipulated by many HUMANS who talk like the GOD itself.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
mastermind357 hhhhhhmmm name calling and pushing your agenda when people believe something else, are you muslim??
July 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Welcome to CommentVerse – where intellects argue over retarded topics.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
@Skrillah (619):
Haha! I think I love you!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
I do not care if it was socially acceptable “back in these times” marrying a 9 year old is pedophilia and it’s disgusting in any century regardless of whether it’s accepted or not.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
The stigma associated with underage marriages in current society (aka Western world) is a product of the enforcement of the ideals and values of the many facets of Christianity.
Biologically, women are fertile in this childhood age so it wouldn’t be disgusting if its part of the natural order.
Its a shame people think so lowly of foreign religions such that they take the most extreme examples in order to prove their points. We might as well compare the worst parts of every religion but since a large majority of the readers here do come from Christian backgrounds they’ll object to us portraying them as racists, pedophiles and bigots. This is a stupid argument anyway because anyone can twist the facts for their own purposes like what I’m doing right now ha.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
One thing you don’t see in the Christian world is bomb belts being attached to children at the behest or Mullahs or what in our case would be priests. To most people in the Christian workd religions life is sacred, you get one chance at it and the murder of innocents day after day is openly frowned upon. Many Radical Moslems find this love of life a weakness to be exploited. You hear very little in the way of outrage from Moslems. That is possibly fear of retribution or colusion. The problem in the west is that the rhetoric is so inflamed that we do not know how to interpret which is reality and I for one would rather err on the side of caution. I have children and if one of them were needlessly slaughtered as has been the case in Iraq with the Kurds and Shia under Sadam and the current round robin of death in Iraq, not to mention Isreal, Spain, England, the twin towers in NY and on and on… Moslems need to speak up and take out the trash.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:25 am
to marry a 9 years old, in many cultures is consider acceptable…
by your western standard it is not acceptable, but that is YOUR NORM. how can you force your norms to other cultures?
I can tell you that many in remotes areas in Indonesia, they do have child brides (not that I agree on it, but it is their culture, they believe in it and think it’s the best for them)
July 12th, 2009 at 1:26 am
What a list!!! Any that has comments reach well over 600 is worth reading. Great work to everybody who has commented and created a great educated debate for me to read. Enjoyed reading it all.
Thank you
July 12th, 2009 at 1:48 am
You are son happy by being so tolerant, that’s why Europe is invaded by islam and all the heritage and the demography will be changed soon. Stop being so naïve many of what is posted are true but many are false. I am a Christian arab and I know better, read more about islam and you will know that the ultimate goal of them and that’s what the quran says, “islam will rule the world”.
Please stop being so……………………….. wake up, see some facts not some useless theories.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:25 am
How are radical Muslims different from radical Christians? Islam ruling the world is less likely then the CHINESE.
Violent acts in the Middle-East are usually the work of religious fundamentalist countries such as Iran where religion and politics share the same line. Compare the theoretical Islam instead of the one in practice. God knows how Marx’s Communism is so different to the stuff in practice.
Fundamentalists are screwed in the head anyway. They just express it in different ways be it suicide bombing, incest, polygamy or whatever you find unacceptable. Just because one crackpot group wants a global order doesn’t really mean they all do.
We also don’t want that rubbish atheist crap about all religions being the same either. That just confuses people as they are all different in many ways.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:30 am
while i cant stand islam, people are going wild about the whole sex with a child thing.
Western culture is pretty insane about children and child worship, but our laws means nothing to natural laws. If a human being menstrates and is able to have sex at the age of 9 there is nothing wrong with it. That human being is no longer a child. Age does not define a child. Similarly if someone is 29 and still has not menstrated yet, there IS something wrong and sex shouldnt be persued. Nature tells us when something is ok, not arbitrary people laws. If a man see’s curves and titties with a fem. face, that shows us the essence of a woman. we want to fuck it. it’s nature. Pretend people laws dont make those urges go away. Grow up and stop denying your humanism. jesus fucking christ.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:47 am
#628, you disgust me. Let us all hope you don’t have children.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:17 am
I am a Christian but I have many Muslim friends. These misconceptions irritate me.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:54 am
What a load of crap. We’ve all seen the stoning on the internet and you can’t tell me that the 1000 men killing the girls are not Muslims.
We’ve also seen the kids getting their hands run over by cars as punishment. Muslim? I think so…
I don’t believe any of the misconceptions you’ve stated in this blog. What a pile of religous shit.
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.” – Stephen Roberts
July 12th, 2009 at 3:54 am
Now, Now Jamie, If you don’t delete comment no 616, (plz) there is goin to be serious trouble here. I really, really hope you do delete it.
thank you.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:11 am
@631 james:- Most are lies or inaccurately described sequence of photographs. See this:
http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.asp
July 12th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Y’all having a fit over paedophilia and Islam should read this article.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/16890500/The-Unjust-Accusation-of-Paedophilia-Against-Prophet-Muhammad
July 12th, 2009 at 4:46 am
The misconceptions have been created and reinforced because a deviant ideology is at work in Islam. This minority strain of thinking is titled “Takfir” and Al Qaeda has successfully deployed the tools of globalisation to promote this ideology. I have explained it more here:
http://moazzamhusain.wordpress.com/2009/06/29/al-qaeda-protest-movement-in-islam/
July 12th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Whoever compiled this list safely ignored several aspects of Islam or Muslims that contradict most of the items in this list.
Here are some:
For #8: Marrying a child at the age of 9 is a serious violation of child rights. Whether a girl is fertile or not doesn’t decide whether she is of the right age to marry. At the age of 9, female breasts are not fully developed and it would pose serious problems if she bears a child. Moreover, sex with a 9 year old girl is physically injurious too. Sorry for being graphic but imagine a small vagina of a 9 year old girl and a large penis of an adult male. Penetration would be like hell to the girl.
If men and women are equal under Islam, why is it taboo for a mature women (still fertile) to marry a much younger boy (say 15 year old guy who is getting proper erection)?
July 12th, 2009 at 5:12 am
Some of the other issues ignored are:
1. Polygamy – Why is that 4 marriages are allowed only for men and only one husband for women?
2. Jizya tax – Why should a non-muslim should pay tax just to practice his religion under a muslim rule?
3. For Item# 4 in the list, just read the Islamic rule in India (sultans, moghuls, nawabs). They were barbaric. Demolishing temples, enslaving and raping women are all part of history. There are exceptions (like Akbar The Great) but most of them were barbaric.
4. I had to laugh at item # 3 in the list. Just imagine a muslim lady in Arab in a bikini. She would be killed instantly. Talking about veil, just imagine yourself in a black burkha under hot sun just for 2 hours and then talk about women’s rights. Moreover, wearing a veil is not voluntary, it is mandatory under islam.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:36 am
“random” you don’t understand that in islam politics and religion are always together, it’s in the quran. that’s why the true islam is always a mixture between religion and politics. you don’t have a deep look into islam.
when you have you will know, that it’s a threat.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:37 am
I have a feeling that this list would be deleted soon.
I already knew some of this common misconceptions.
It’s a shame that ignorant people does think this way.
I’m from a country where there are JI (jemaah islamiyah)bombing everywhere and kidnapping anyone.. but it never came in my mind to actually think that all muslims are terrorists. but you can’t deny the fact that most terrorists are muslims, and that its destroying the name of muslims from all over the world.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:37 am
5. Islam did spread by sword. Jizya tax is again the best example of religious intolerance in Islam. One thing I never understood is why the Holy Quoran has to talk about non-believers? Isn’t it a person’s basic right to believe or not to believe in God?
6. As someone said, “All muslims may not be terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims”. Though I feel that it is overly exaggerated and unjust, all the organized terrorist groups have only one motive: “Jihad”. Al Qaeda, LeT, Hezbul Mujahideen, Al-Oma -they are all Islamic Terrorist Organizations.
This is a phenomena that is not seen in other religions. Although there are extremists, fundamentalists and fanatics in other religions as well, but they limit to such a small groups that we can call them as exceptions (or indeed hate crime and not terrorism).
There is so much to analyze but I dont think this is the right platform.
PS: For all those Muslim Fanatics reading my posts, I am not a hater of Islam or Muslims. I am just posting what I analyzed. Even if I were a Muslim I would have posted in similar fashion.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Muslim, Christian, Judaism–Good or bad, we can’t judge it by the people. We have to learn about it to know if it’s really that bad.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Hysterical.
Sometimes satire is the best way . . .
July 12th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Now if only Muslims themselves knew this, there would be no problems.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:21 am
@Alencon (586):
Well of course Saudi Arabia would be one of the theocracies, but when I saw Indonesia mentioned…Or when people think America they automatically label “Christian”
July 12th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I love how people can speak ill of a religion acting like the one they follow is right.
“Islam spread by the sword” so what if you have proof of this, can you honestly say that any major religion didnt spread by the sword, can you really? Shut the **** up because no religion has been good to those that weren’t muslim and shut the **** up before you try to give me an example because it doesnt ****** exist. So shut the **** up.
On the terrorism part most of you can shut the **** up because some douche bag said they ” drew first blood”. Shut the **** up because can we truly say that with no good evidence? What has our governments done in those countries without us knowing it. It could be us that drew first blood. That does not justify any attacks but I’m saying.
Last issue that really kills me is that if their Muslim= Automatic Villains. Shut the **** up please. Like someone said don’t blame the 99% for what the hell that stupid ignorant 1% does. Every damn religion has its bad seeds that make others think ill of them.
If you ever think of criticizing a religion please shut the **** up, because its not helping anyone. Go out there volunteer in your community and start changing the world instead of complaining about the little smudges that scar its face.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:39 am
@Moonbeam (645): I meant “them’ not “it”
July 12th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Only reason why Islam is in the spotlight so much is so that the public can focus on an enemy, thats why it is demonised so much so that we look at it like were the good guys and tehre the bad.
72 virgins is complete bullshit too.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:10 am
The unknown person in the video has said absolutely nothing new that hasn’t been said in this thread already. And HE TOO doesn’t answer why allah didn’t stop the perverted act of old men having sex with young children. Does he? He talks AGIAN about how it was suppose to be normal for old men of that time period to be sexually attracted to little 9 year old (perhaps younger) children. If it was normal and moral for that time period (which I don’t believe it was) so was for example, drinking alcohol, it was another normal societal behavior for that time period, BUT, for some reason the “all knowing, all powerful Deity called allah BANNNED drinking alcohol. allah came along with loads and loads of laws to morally guide his prophet but somehow allah never saw fit to tell its prophet not to have sex with children. I wonder why allah saw fit to make so many rules changing what was considered normal behavior back then, BUT, not old men having sex with children. Did allah like to secretly watch, or maybe muhammad made allah up in his mind? Which one? I notice the stranger in the video says his grandmother was perhaps as young as 14 and then mentions his grandfather was much old but somehow forgets to mention his age, how typical. And besides the physical and mental developmental difference between mid teens and 7,8, or 9 year old children is galaxies apart and only someone sick in their mind can’t see that. And if the filthy practice of old men having sex with 9 year old children was so prevalent back in the olden days, I would like someone to start a list of old men who married and had sex with 9 year old children. There should be lots and lots and lots of names to add to that list since it was so normal back then. Right? And to show I’m not biased I will condemn anybody on that list as a sick and vile child molester no matter what, religion, creed, or country they are from.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:16 am
@Rick (648): Times have changed obviously alot.
Were not exactly any better, since in the west faggots are allowed to engage in sodomy and even get marrieD!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:18 am
@Rick (648): But yes was fucked up back then.Was in every religion so dont just focus on Islam, Islam is actually the best religion in the world in my opinion i would be Muslim if i could beleive in God.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:33 am
“faggots are allowed to engage in sodomy and even get marrieD!”
The faggots, as you so tolerantly put it, are adults able to make grown up choices for themselves. While I don’t agree with their choices, as adults I’ll let them decide what they do as long a both parties agree. You can’t see the difference between the adult mind and a 9 year old child’s mind?
You say “yes was fucked up back then”, and I agree with you. BUT, wasn’t that allah’s job to sort it all of that “fucked up-ness” out for you? Wasn’t allah all knowing and all powerful. Why did allah make so many rules supposedly guiding its followers, morally, and somehow miss that his prophet was grunting and groaning getting his sexual kicks on some 9 year old little girl?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Rick Rick Rick, damn Im just waking up in the morning and who’s the first name I see as usual? RICK! Get a life, damn, if you are so against Islam why do u continue to post on this message board, go get a girlfriend, do something with your life besides talking about the belief of 1.8 billion followers, do you think you talking on this message board is going to change anything? lol really do you?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:52 am
@Rick (651): Well i will be dead before i call ‘them’ gay since gay means happy and there is nothing happy about sodomy.Far from it.
I dont take these ‘online debates’ seriously so dont take me to serious (just so you know)
I have better things to do than battle one cock roach at a time.
You have your views
I have mine.
And FYI look up NAMBLA
thats from christian america, so does this mean every christian engages in evil acts with 8 year old boys!?
July 12th, 2009 at 8:53 am
@mastermind357 (652):
1.8 million and rising fast.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Hey mastermind (the perfect antonym for your nick) You have more postings on this website than I do, so why don’t you follow your own typically hypocritical advice
July 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
616 jeff: mastermind357 hhhhhhmmm name calling and pushing your agenda when people believe something else, are you muslim??
I have a question, why anytime a muslim says something, ya’ll expect so much more from us? lol, APPARENTLY ya’ll hold us to higher standards! If a christian, jew, hindu, or whoever calls someone a name, nobody says anything! If a muslim does it, its wrong though right lol
Ya’ll talk negative about muslims but at the same time you act like muslims are perfect, you seem so shocked if a muslim says anything negative-CONTRADICTORY!!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am
BrownCow what do you think we should do with, as you say, the… Faggots? Do you think we should jail them, maybe hang them from the end of boom cranes, or how about throw them off the top of building?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:02 am
626 benny_the_chicken: This guy is not muslim, but he atleast has “some” type of sense, read below….
while i cant stand islam, people are going wild about the whole sex with a child thing.
Western culture is pretty insane about children and child worship, but our laws means nothing to natural laws. If a human being menstrates and is able to have sex at the age of 9 there is nothing wrong with it. That human being is no longer a child. Age does not define a child. Similarly if someone is 29 and still has not menstrated yet, there IS something wrong and sex shouldnt be persued. Nature tells us when something is ok, not arbitrary people laws. If a man see’s curves and titties with a fem. face, that shows us the essence of a woman. we want to fuck it. it’s nature. Pretend people laws dont make those urges go away. Grow up and stop denying your humanism. jesus fucking christ.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:11 am
655 Rick: Hey mastermind (the perfect antonym for your nick) You have more postings on this website than I do, so why don’t you follow your own typically hypocritical advice
How many negative comments have I made about others beliefs???? Did your mother ever tech you, “if you don’t have nothing good to say, don’t say anything”
Lack Of Home Training I Guess…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:13 am
“If a human being menstrates and is able to have sex at the age of 9 there is nothing wrong with it”
There you go people, an admission that it is OK to fuck little children as long as puberty kicks in, which in some cases is as young as 9 years old, and in some rarer cases much younger. Yup its those messed up western laws that prevent this natural occurrence for old men to have sex with children. This is such a sick and depraved mind set especially today I don’t know what to say. Well at least mastermind (LOL) is honest. Now the local authorities should really know who he is and keep an eye on him and make sure he has nothing to do with children Assuming he lives somewhere civilized.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:14 am
One more thing, Rick…
Will you criticizing Islam change anything? anything? Yes Or No?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Rick 660:
they guy who posted comment 626 posted that. He said he cant stand islam, but he has common sense…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 am
“they guy who posted comment 626 posted that. He said he cant stand islam, but he has common sense…”
Well, we’re are still waiting for that common sense. And you seem to have provided just what I suspected all along that many muslims think it is OK for adults to have sex with young children as long as puberty kicks in no matter what the chronological age of the victim.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:28 am
@Rick (657): They should be castrated like they were in the 70’s after then endue a lengthy death sentence.Nobody has the right to kill another man so you get off your high horse and fuck off.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Rick: My final comment to you is read comment 661.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:31 am
“They should be castrated like they were in the 70’s ”
Where were homosexuals castrated in the 70’s, or is this just more bullshit from a bigot?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I don’t care if anything I say changes your mind (or lack of it) mastermind. But at least you’ve openly stated your true position on child sex practices for all to see, and that’s important. Especially for the apologists like the one in the posted video to see.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:37 am
@Rick (666): I know i was castrating homos in the 70’s
i shoulda cut your dads nuts off so i never had to hear your fucking bullshit.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:40 am
“@Rick (666): I know i was castrating homos in the 70’s
i shoulda cut your dads nuts off so i never had to hear your fucking bullshit.”
Good, good, more predicable behaviour from the religion of peace™
July 12th, 2009 at 9:43 am
668: I openly stated what? lmao…. Ur mad so your putting words in my mouth, only thing im guily of is debating a fool. That makes me look foolish, so this discussion is over, apparently u want to change someones mind or you wouldn’t be talking negatively about Islam for the past 3 days, constantly. If i dont like something, i would have NOTHING to do with it.
and comment 669: LOL
July 12th, 2009 at 9:44 am
@hapitri (622): Wow!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Rick: if you have issues with muslims, go to your local mosque and tell them how you feel.
PS: Please record it and post it when your finished also.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Can feel the heat in these comments…
July 12th, 2009 at 9:49 am
” If a human being menstrates and is able to have sex at the age of 9 there is nothing wrong with it.”
These are your words mastermind (LOL sorry I can’t help but crack up everytime I type that) or did you not post that? It’s good for people to see how, many muslims like yourself, think when it comes to child sex practises. Who’s putting words in your mouth mastermind. LOL oops there i go again.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:49 am
July 12th, 2009 at 9:50 am
@hapitri (622): I can’t imagine a 21st century woman in any culture condoning a 9 year old being married. I find it beyond belief that you would condenm a young girl of that age to live a life in that condition. Do you think 9 year chattel would have the benefits of the education you have? A 9 year old is a child menstruating or not. You would rob them of their childhood and condemn them to life with what, in any civilized society, can only be described as a pedofile. Would you have found it acceptable to be married at 9 years old? How can you condon this? This is the blindness of being Moslem.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:52 am
@Rick (675): Im catholic you simpleton twat internet warrior
July 12th, 2009 at 9:56 am
In regards to the whole 9 years old thing…
Biologically speaking from an objective point of view, it’s acceptable.
Culturally speaking from a civilized nation, it’s completely unacceptable and the person should be locked up for the rest of their life (that’s me). It all depends what culture and what society someone is coming from.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am
And Masterminds thoughts on having sex with children are not unique. He has esteem company (well by islamic standards anyhow) in the islamic scholar, the Grand Ayatollah Khomeini, who lowered the marrying age for “females” to 9 years old the minute he attained power in Iran. He was following the example of his prophet. Wasn’t he?
July 12th, 2009 at 9:59 am
@Rick (681): All you do is quote me.
Get a life for fuck sake
July 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
675 Rick: what comment was that? lol
July 12th, 2009 at 10:02 am
@Rick (681): You have quoted every single post i have made.
STALKER TROLL!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
“Biologically speaking from an objective point of view, it’s acceptable.”
How so? The mind is a biological part of the body and it is no where near developed to have sex with old man at 9 years old. Is it?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Rick: 626 benny_the_chicken posted that, he is not even muslim, I reposted his comment, READ!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:04 am
“In everything, we are destroyers–even in the instruments of destruction to which we turn for relief… We Jews, we, the destroyers, will remain the destroyers for ever. Nothing that you will do will meet our needs and demands.” – You Gentiles, pages 152, 155, and 147.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Once again Ricky…
if you have issues with muslims, go to your local mosque and tell them how you feel.
PS: Please record it and post it when your finished also.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 am
comment 684 said…
@Rick (681): You have quoted every single post i have made.
STALKER TROLL!
I think he likes you lol
July 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
mastermind. I have issues with muslims that think it’s OK for 9 year old or younger children to be sex objects. So what does that have to do with going to my local mosque?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am
690 why are u voicing your frustrations with the 9 year old girl thing to us, can we change anything? Go to your local mosque and ask them, they might feel differently, who knows? Just make sure you record what happens!!! LOL PLEASE!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am
692: Read comment 683 and comment and 686!!
Are you going to record when you go?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
@mastermind357 (691): This is a typical Muslim reaction. This is personified by the puppet “Acmed the Dead Terrorist” check it out…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
“I Kill You” how funny and pathetic you people are. Going to a local mosque and spouting off would only be viewed as disresptful – which it would be.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Why should i mastermind? You have provided enough proof for me that there are muslims that believe 9 year old children or younger are ready for sex. And you be sure to let me know what your local police station thinks about your beliefs. Eh, Mastermind? Don’t forget to record it here.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:25 am
694 U can go and record it with Rick also lol
“typical reaction, typical reaction”- lol, shut up chump and go and state your opinions!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am
695: did u read comment 683 and comment and 686??
Stop trying to ACT LIKE U DIDNT SEE THAT!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
@Rick (685):
I can see the psychological damage, but I was speaking more from a physiological standpoint. The body is ready, but probably not the mind.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
686 So what? What’s your point? If that poster also believes that 9 year old children are ready for sex then he too is a sick and perverted.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 am
“I can see the psychological damage, but I was speaking more from a physiological standpoint. The body is ready, but probably not the mind.”
Puberty can last years and I doubt any 9 year old is ready enough for the physical act of childbirth. Besides, the point is mute because as you said they are not ready and all decent people would agree with you.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 am
701: He quoted that, not me, so stop putting his words in my mouth, and stop stalkin people, PLEASE IM BEGGING YOU to get a life, leave me alone. Damn, r u still a virgin? Get a Life…. seriously.
700: Twit??? I assume your a geek, correct?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:58 am
@Nobkin-643
And in the cases of Indonesia and the United States your observation that one must differentiate between the law and the prevalent religion would be 100% correct.
However in the case of Saudi Arabia, which itself declares that its law is the law of Islam, it would not be correct.
That was the only point I was trying to make. You would be right 99% of the time, however Saudi Arabia is an exception.
Even Iran, which the U.S. State Department doesn’t mind calling a Theocracy, is more secular than Saudi Arabia.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:10 am
“If a human being menstrates and is able to have sex at the age of 9 there is nothing wrong with it. ”
Who cares if someone else posted this thought. The point is YOU agreed with him. Got it? You never condemned these despicable thoughts. Not one of them. Did you Mastermind?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Rick 706: are you done? If I do condemn him and disagree with him will you be happy then? will you be monetarily rewarded somehow? Will the practice of “child brides” go away? Will all muslims suddenly condemn Islam altogether? What will “YOU” get out of it if i do or dont? Am I that Important? Once Again, GET A LIFE!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:21 am
And YOU mastermind held that posting up as example of sensible thought. You went out of your way, even. Did you miss the part where the perverted creep thought sex with 9 year olds was A-OK? I guess that part must have just slipped your mind. Right? Did you now what to announce that you didn’t see that part, and the thought that 9 year olds are ready for sex under any circumstances is sick and disgusting?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
@mastermind357 (703): As in some many other things you are wrong again. I am a person who was hoping to find a blog where reasonable dialog was important. In your case you are just another hater that reduces these blogs to non sense. Too bad this blog author tried to post something thought provoking and you and others, Christian or Moslem reduced it to another hate rant. I can find those all over WordPress, that’s easy. You should visit a mosque and spend some time thinking about whatever it is that is bothering you.
If you watched Acqmed the Dead Terrorist you have to admit that was funny.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:39 am
@657 (Rick): What should be done to them? Im not suggestin anything, but someone said “If God does not destroy (/kill) sodomizers, he may have to apologize to Sodom & Gomorrah” That is exactly why sodomy sould not be allowed. And i don’t see how a perfectly ‘normal’ person can get interested in another person of the same sex unless he is mentally retarded or he cannot get anything better? Also, Rick, whay are you only discussing a topic that is admitedlly controversial & which, unless conclusive proof seen, cannot be decided. Why dont you argue (.) on other topic or other entries on the list. I suppose you don’t have either the ability to debate sensibly or just don’t want to?
Also, will anyone tell me why is Islam the fastest growing religion in the whole world. Hmm, right, its being spread by the sword (LOL).
July 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Great White 709 I didnt watch it, and answer my question for comment 703.
As far as i Rick im done responding, nobody cares what u think, and your just upset that whatever your opinion is doesnt make a difference to anybody, your just somebody on a computer whose upset about something you cant do anything about, just give up! There are 10 items on the list and u spend 3 days posting about #5 on the list, no matter how much u disagree with #5, it will still be on the list and u cant do anything about it, get over it, what a lame!!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:45 am
@711, Mastermind257: Yes, i think you & rick should halt ta ‘discussion’ that is talking place. Instead, try to discuss the other points.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am
712: Yeam Im Done With Him.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:57 am
“nobody cares what u think”
You do mastermind, demonstrated by your repeated replies to my posts. I notice you slyly mentioned something about condemning sex with 9 year old child under any circumstance as, vile and disgusting, but never followed through. That must be another little detail that just slipped your mind.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I be on later everybody, im about 2 “log off” yes I do “log off” unlike the losers who stay on listverse all day… C Ya Later… I’ll be lookin forwards to seeing the same opinions by the same people. lmao.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
@657 (Rick): What should be done to them?
Who adults of the same sex who are atracted to each? Nothing…. that’s what I think should be done to them. I don’t understand why they can be attracted to each other, either, but that’s none of my bussiness, is it? They’re adults, its their choice. What do you think shoulc be done to them? They hang them in Iran. Do you think that is right?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Gee, why did I know no condemnation was forthcoming. LOL
mastermind spews – “yes I do “log off” unlike the losers who stay on listverse all day… C Ya Later”
LOL coming from one of the most frequent poster on the site and he’s complaining about the time other people spend her. LOL Maybe you could order a fatwa that this thread is yours personally mastermind. Typical hypocrite.
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July 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
@mastermind357 (711): Define Geek – that is a big word for you. Watch the Youtube video it will give you someone to look up to. Ah forget it. You are a humorless moron and probably wouldn’t uderstand it.
I hear you are going to retire for the evening. Sweet dreams of 9 year olds. Does it matter to you if they are male or female?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
R U guys still arguing, You people are pathetic.
Rick if these morons want to believe having sex with children is right, let them. There are is a lot to criticize in islam, why you continue to bring up the same points over and over is beyond logical comprehension, why not just drop it?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
WOAH!
Rick you are a hardcore internet gangster huh
July 12th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
“There are is a lot to criticize in islam, why you continue to bring up the same points over and over is beyond logical comprehension”
Ok Jerry, it’s your suggestion, why don’t you bring up some other criticisms if child molestation is boring you?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
@Rick (717): No anger, just curiosity…in what context did my post count have to come up in convo HERE, on a list that I have purposely stayed away from.
Sorry but this debate is a little too heated and the comment list a bit too long for me to glean out the comment that needed a list of members to help define your point.
Other than that, is everyone playing nice?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Ok Jerry, it’s your suggestion, why don’t you bring up some other criticisms if child molestation is boring you?
now you want criticize me right? Im starting to believe what the other guys were saying, maybe you really dont have a life. Im critical that muslims are allowed to have 4 wifes, lets criticize that, amongst other things! Cant you see that the child bride debate is going nowhere fast, or are you just narrow-minded and naive?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
“WOAH!
Rick you are a hardcore internet gangster huh”
Why HNBC, you are the only one posting impotent violent internet threats, so I guess that makes you the “hardcore internet gangster”. Doesn’t it? Is that why you think islam is the best religion in the world? You know, for someone who isn’t a muslim.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
“now you want criticize me right? ”
I see Jerry, you criticize me out of the blue, and when I reply critically, I’m the guy with the problem. Is that right Jerry?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
If we are both against Islam, why cant we come to an agreement Rick? The child bride debate is getting you nowhere. They are just blind to that, this comment board is becoming saturated with a criticism of one aspect of islam, when there are tons to criticize. Do you not understand that?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Ok Jerry, start with criticizing the 4 wives deal, and lets see if that will get you any farther. And I won’t critique you, at all, no matter how much resistance you incure. Hows that?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Where can one view the top commentors? i like to win at everything!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
@Rick (724): Jesus H Christ!!
STOP FUCKING QUOTING ME!
GET A LIFE!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Us catholics love mocking christ, thats why he is bent on our popes staff.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Rick it might not get me anywhere, but theres only one way to find out. Also, why do muslims believe jesus was not god when he says so in the bible?
July 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
@jerrygadsen (731): Where does he say that in the bible?
Im sure your frined Rick will have a quote lol
July 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Where does he say that in the bible?
Not sure, im not a very religious man, maybe someone else has the passages.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
You guys have all gone off the deep end. I must say adios to this site as it has become nonproductine and informationless. Too bad I think listverse tried to do something intelligent – although I;m not even sure of that at this point.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
RICK IS ON HIS COMPUTER 24/7 PICKING FEEBLE DEBATES SO HE CAN PASS HIS BENEFIT THIEVING TIME!
Leave Rick Alone, NOW!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
“RICK IS ON HIS COMPUTER 24/7 PICKING FEEBLE DEBATES SO HE CAN PASS HIS BENEFIT THIEVING TIME”
Sucks being shown up as a liar dosen’t Mr Catholic?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
@deeeziner (722): ” No anger, just curiosity…in what context did my post count have to come up in convo HERE, on a list that I have purposely stayed away from.
Sorry but this debate is a little too heated and the comment list a bit too long for me to glean out the comment that needed a list of members to help define your point.
Other than that, is everyone playing nice?”
Well Rick, you’ve made 5 comments since my post, and not one is kind enough to respond to my sincere question.
And NO apparently you are not playing nice anymore.
Let’s leave me out of random references in the future, especially in the maters of post count, as that type of information does nothing to prove a point here at the site.
INTELLIGENT debate..INSIGHTFUL opinion…WITTY banter…these are the things that keep me coming back.
@Great White (735): You have been a member for a while and and a delight to hear from. I’d hate to think that you would give up the site because of a few Sunday trollers who have run out of intelligent wind to fluff out their overinflated sails.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Sorry deeeziner I didn’t see your original post. I posted a list of the most proflic posters on this site and I quess your name was on that list.
“and no apperently you are not playing nice anymore”
How is that? Am I being more curtious then other posters are to me? What about them?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Nobody answered my question on where I can find the list of how many comments people have either…… People can argue hours on end and post repetitive comments on their opinion but cant answer my question, nor yours, deeeziner, either…evidently.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
How is that? Am I being more curtious then other posters are to me? What about them?
It seems you are always being criticized Rick, U might be doing something wrong, ask the man in the mirror.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
@Rick (740): Thank you for the response Rick, but you still haven’t explained how a list of top commentors on the site can help to prove any particular viewpoint on the subject of Islam.
But that’s okay,I believe I now understand that MY name was mentioned so you could prove that YOU DO NOT spend all your waking moments on site.
Well, I don’t either.
As for the playing nice comment I made….That was meant to EVERYONE in general, not you personally…I was hoping to defrazzle a situation that had no where to go but down.
It did.
@jerrygadsen (741): I believe if I recall correctly, you can get a post count if you are a registered member and check into the homepage of wordpress.
But I have NEVER tried to check on postcount of members, so you better hope Rick has read this comment and will answer you.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
deeeziner: Thats too much work to prove a point, maybe Rick is lying about how many post people actually have too b/c I see his name more than anyone else hahaha
July 12th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
@Alencon (704):
Agreed.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
@jerrygadsen (744): Hush jerrygadsen….people might think that you are jealous for not making it into a top 10 list here at the site.
I’m a top 10!! I’m a top 10!!!:):):)
July 12th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
746:
Maybe your right!
July 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
“But that’s okay,I believe I now understand that MY name was mentioned so you could prove that YOU DO NOT spend all your waking moments on site.”
No, that is not why I posted the list deeeziner. I posted the list to show the “hypocrisy” of a poster who accused me (and called me a loser) of spending all my time on this site when he himself was in fact one of the most prolific posters. Enough so to make the comments list. But I guess him discourteously calling me a loser passed you by. Do you think he was playing nice?
July 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
@Rick (748): Do you have a life?
July 12th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
749: Maybe not my good man, maybe not
July 12th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
@Rick (748): Give me a clue Rick, did the name-calling start in the last 50 or 100 comments…
Seriously man, this is a long list and my living room is 92 degrees right now according to my thermometer. I think I’ll pop into my shower real fast before I try to back read the comments.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
What name calling deeezier? You mean the insults directed at me? Why don’t you show me all the personal insults I posted? Why don’t you just browse through the thread and see who was posting the most personal insults, and at who? How’s that for a clue deeezier?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
751: Uh-oh Rick, I think you are about to eat your words b/c I dont see to many insults directed at you, all I see is the phrase “9 year old” in almost every one of your posts….
And I cant find the list of comments people posted, I hope u are not a liar my good friend to prove a point, I hope not!
July 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
“And I cant find the list of comments people posted, I hope u are not a liar my good friend to prove a point, I hope not!”
What list are you talking about Jerry, oh hater of islam?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Rick I think I hate you more than Islam, if that is possible! Yes, I think you are worst, even pedophiles get off the computer once in a while
July 12th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
“Rick I think I hate you more than Islam, if that is possible!”
LOL I know you do Jerry, it’s because I answered your criticizing post you directed at me, critically, and you couldn’t stand it. You like to dish it out but you can’t take it.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Everybody who hates Rick Vote, “I”
Everyone keeps asking you the same question, do you have a life? and thats the ONE(1) question that you never answer.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I see the type of “man” you are Ricki Boy….
“Yeah, that Churchill enigma. He supposedly wrote that during world war 1, when gas was first being used by “all” sides in that conflict. So I guess that makes everyone a villan back then. Doesn’t it?”
July 12th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Everyone keeps asking you the same question, do you have a life? ”
Yet here they all are on the same thread. Ironic isn’t it Jerry? This site is only a mouse click away, and I can multitask all day long. I’m making money at the same time. Life is grand.
Oh and I am sure you will get loads of support with the vote. You and your new friends Jerry. Gee, do they know you hate muslims?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
your giving nonmoslems a bad name Rick, I like posting about you, it’s fun!!
July 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
“I see the type of “man” you are Ricki Boy”
Why is that Jerry my boy? Because I see that all sides using gas at that time were equal villians.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
“”your giving nonmoslems a bad name Rick”
Ahh because you are the more kinder and gentler muslim hater. Is that right?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Ahh because you are the more kinder and gentler muslim hater. Is that right?
EXACTAMUNDO
July 12th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
“EXACTAMUNDO”
LOL OK
July 12th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Why is that Jerry my boy? Because I see that all sides using gas at that time were equal villians.
Not necessarily, I see the type of man you are b/c you are a lowlife listverse freak. I only reposted your comment b/c you always repost other people, got it dude?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
You cant beat me Rick, You Met your Match. I will always have the last word, or die trying.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
And what was the purpose of reposting that comment Jerry? What point were you trying to make?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
“I will always have the last word, or die trying.”
Well that proves how infinitely small minded, and infantile you are, Jerry. You can have the last word if you like because it is a lasting monument to you lack of intelligence.
July 12th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
And what was the purpose of reposting that comment Jerry? What point were you trying to make?
Im not making a point, you should know all about that Ricki my Love..
July 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Well that proves how infinitely small minded, and infantile you are, Jerry. You can have the last word if you like because it is a lasting monument to you lack of intelligence.
And Ricki My Love you are proving you have no life by responding to the islamic jerks for the last 70 odd hours.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
No Response? You Lose Ricki My Love!
July 12th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Yet here they all are on the same thread. Ironic isn’t it Jerry? This site is only a mouse click away, and I can multitask all day long. I’m making money at the same time. Life is grand.
Oh and I am sure you will get loads of support with the vote. You and your new friends Jerry. Gee, do they know you hate muslims?
Your not making a dime typing on a computer all day, unless you consider unemployment a job. As far as the vote, its called sarcasm, I give a rats patoot if anyone votes Ricki My Love.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Fucking true the only question Rick never answers is if he has a life.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Ricki My Love Is Suddenly quiet as a church mouse, u can dish it but cant take it huh?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Fucking true the only question Rick never answers is if he has a life.
I guess the answer goes without saying, He has no life
Hows your unemployment check Ricki My Love, You Quiet Son Of A Bitch
July 12th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I’m making money at the same time. Life is grand.
What If You Have No Life?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
@jerrygadsen (768): He must make money from sitting on his arse stealing benefits.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
769: Thats exactly what I was thinking. He know he’s reading these comments, he’s just not responding b/c he’s acting like he has a life and is doing something constructive, of course Planet Earth knows better than this.
July 12th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to ‘kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah’. “It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.” That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have sex with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you’ll see the massive amounts of ‘good’ its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible ‘misconceptions’ about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives. THis is the first list that ive actually posted on and again for once am not impressed
July 12th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
@JimiBauer24 (771): Wow.Your ignorant beyond belief.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
@JimiBauer24 (771): Everything you have just mentioned is Wahabi.Thats the taliban, they beat there wives force them to cover up completly and dont allow them an education.
Sunni Islam is COMPLETLY different.
Research that if you actually want knowledge, if you just want to insult strangers faiths then ill not help you there.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
jimbauer24(771): You already posted the exact same comment on comment 69, u really want to push your point dont u?
Read the last sentence on comment 771, then read comment 69, u just proved yourself a liar! That was your first time twice? ok…..
July 12th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
@HowNowBrownCow (772): That’s “you’re”, not “your”. Try to be a little less ignorant when calling others ignorant.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
@deeeziner (775): FUCK OFF GRAMMAR POLICE!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
775 & 776: lmao
July 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I bet none of you here have read Quran except those who are muslims.
@JimiBauer24(771): You are just quoting, parroting more appropriately, what other have been saying.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
@HowNowBrownCow (776):Now THAT comment showed proper format and syntax. A+
July 12th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
@deeeziner (779): Shut up.Such a sad life you must have, trolling through forums to correct spelling.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
@HowNowBrownCow (780): I’d substitute the word bored for sad, and you probably should throw in the heat factor I have going on here in my living room.
I’m not normally a grammar police, but I do believe that if you have to stomp on someone’s opinion, by turning to the age old technique of throwing poo, then you should at least take the time and effort to not put yourself into the same basket you are pointing a finger at.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
GRAMMAR POLICE BEWARE!
Sgt.deeeziner IS IN FULL EFFECT!
CURFEW HAS BEEN SET!
ALL SPELLING MISTAKES WILL BE CORRECTED IMMEDIATLY!
July 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
That’s “IMMEDIATELY”!
There’s no easier way to appear ignorant or lazy than not taking care over even the basics of English expression – especially when you are accusing others of ignorance or laziness.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
the funny thing is most muslims dont actually accept their religion to the full extent they would like to beleive they do. Thank fuck for it otherwise we mite just have a world full of terrorists trying to fuck 9 year olds.
July 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Let us all take a little break shall we?
July 12th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
785: I knew it was coming lol
July 12th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Really enjoyed the list, as a person who owns copies of both the quran and bible, i was happy you pointed out many of the misconceptions, i myself, had questions aswell which is why i bought a copy of the quran. I’m by no means a religious person, just very open minded to new things, and stuff i don’t understand. Love the site keep up the good work.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Goebbels would be proud of this propaganda! BTW, this comment thread seems to have degenerated into a pissing contest.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Mohammad (praise & blessings of Allah be upon him) is last messenger of Allah. Before him Allah send prophets; such as Noah, Ibrahim, Moses, Jesus. I am just giving you all a brief without having faith, its become difficult to understand. We Muslim believe that Allah is one and we worship only Allah, he is creator of everything and sovereignty is only his and Mohammad (praise & blessings of Allah be upon him) is his slave and last messenger. Mohammad (praise & blessings of Allah be upon him) shows us the practical implementation of Quran in his life.
Few reference of marrying Aisha(may Allah please with her), Urwah said: “Khadeejah died three years before the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) migrated to Madeenah. He stayed alone for two years or thereabouts, then he married ‘Aa’ishah when she was six years old, and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 3607.
Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) married her when she was six years old and consummated the marriage when she was nine years old, and she stayed with him for nine years.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 4738).
There are related verse in the Quran. In summary, It is permitted to contract marriage with a young girl and to hand her over to her husband to stay with him before she reaches adolescence. As for consummating the marriage, this does not happen until she is physically able for it. Thus the matter becomes quite clear. Do you see anything wrong with a man living with his young wife in one house, bringing her up and teaching her, but delaying consummation until she is ready for it? We ask Allaah to show us truth and falsehood and to make each clear. And Allaah knows best. I am quoting from http://www.islam-qa.com.
I know people perceive Islam based on the people’s practicing. But to understand Islam you need to learn it by yourself. For suicides bombing you are talking about, sounds very funny to me. You west invade a land (Palestine) then start killing & kicking out people from their motherland and claiming that from now this is your land (Israel). That is not terrorism but when philistine people start restricts this activity now you are labeling them as Terrorist.
I would like to draw another question to your mind. Just ask yourself and answer to you that all these bombing, al-qaeda, 9/11, Iraq, Afganistan, chechnia, bosnia who are the beneficiary. It’s the media who making us bad. Like one brother said before initially it was Japan, German, Vietnam, Russia and after cold war it is Islam.
May Allah forgive me if I make any mistake and create more misunderstanding.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I went to a catholic high school and am a devout christian and I think this list is highly innacurate in certain aspects and unfair in many as well. First off, I and many of the people I went to school with know that arabs are not muslims and we do not associate islam with fanaticism, polygamy, or of any radical idea. I know that our gods are similar and our belief in one god is a beautiful thing we have in common. I know my history as well and I know that saladin was merciful and allowed christians to revisit jerusalem after he retook it.I know your religion is not religiously oppressive and I know that these misconceptions fly around but at what point do you ask if and how muslims themselves perpetuate these unfortunate stereotypes? The ten rules of warfare? Don’t kill children, women, or aged men? Terrorists, in the name of allah, drove planes into towers containg aged men and women.Don’t destroy buildings? You yourself are ignorant if you simply ignore these things and blame these misconceptions on european and christian influence. All christian schools teach the development of muslim nations side by side with that of christianity and all fairly portray the crusades and all muslim history.where these misconceptions lie is in the heads of the uneducated and that is a result of what they learn of what has been determined as the “modern muslim.” Its hard to ask us to be so accepting and kind when muslims are fighting in the name of merciless dictators and terrorists, killing our brave young men and women. they do not truly know god, yet where his name as a badge of honor in their cause. The japanese were hated in america for some time during and after WWII.If these wars blow over, eventually we will learn to live together but, it is important that strongly religious people in the middle east begin to stand up to those who misrepresent their religion and give your people a bad name abroad.it is important that muslims support the cause of democratic nations in their effort to remove evil men from power. As you said “many political leaders, extremists,..garner followers,”, you even come to terms with many of the leaders in those lands are religious extremists and are in fact, in power. you yourself must acknowledge why we can’t many can’t let go of these misconceptions; because people hear of events that would point to the contrary of your religion being peaceful and merciful every day. while this terribly misfortunate, is not entirely irrational, just misled.If you want people to be open to your religion, try not insulting christians in your first paragraph, try being more open and proactive yourself.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:28 am
(bleaty whining voice) You can’t blame all the violence on Muslims in general it’s just a few bad apples. Even the west has its share of christian fundamentalist bad apples.(end bleaty whining voice)
Of course we do. The difference is in the West we don’t let Religious Fundamentalist Whackjobs rule the entire country. Then spend all our time apologising for them. We give them what they deserve. The arse.
I note also that none of the Cultural apologists for Islam’s shocking treatment of women have addressed the fact that the religion IS the culture in not only Saudi Arabia but also Taliban Afghanistan and Iran.
HNBC re; NAMBLA So what? Are you saying that the activities of NAMBLA are viewed by the state in the same way as 9 year old girls being ‘married’ in Muslim countries? Because last time I heard everything NAMBLA espouses is illegal.
hapitra:re your rights as a woman. If you are allowed to do all those things in Indonesia then it is more enlightened than I thought, and good luck to you. However if you try to live by those same ‘rights’ in Saudi Arabia or Taliban Afghanistan I am afraid it will end badly for you. And they won’t be quoting cultural law while caning or stoning you.
Cheers
Lee
July 13th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Please, will someone tell me why is Islam the fastest growing/spreading religion in the world?
YEs right, must be by the sword. xD
July 13th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Anyone heard of the NO TRUE SCOTSMAN fallacy?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:19 am
@astraya (777): Fuck off you silly bitch.Hey correct this you motherfucker
IM GONNA FUCKIN SLICE UP EVERY SON OVA BITCH THAT PISSES ME OFF!
Have a ball!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:21 am
Wow, rick hasnt commented today.
She must ave fund anover list.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:22 am
@blehmehblah (781):
@todd (784):
@Ahsan (783):
It’s nice to have a dose of reason in these comments. Thanks.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Islam is tolerant towards other religions that don’t conflict with it, but to suggest that it is absolutely tolerant of all other religions is to insult the Bahais who every day face persecution and oppression from the Islamic Republic of Iran. In fact, Iran only recognises four religions. Muslims just can’t cope with the fact that some people believe there are prophets who came after Mohammed, and they deal with this in the horrible ways you would expect.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Funny how 7raul7 has stayed clear of talking about Bahais.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I don’t remember who said it there is a quote that is pretty true:
“Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.”
Probably not all but I’m sure it’s a ver high percentage.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I don’t remember who said it there is a quote that is pretty true:
“Not all muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are muslims.”
Probably not all but I’m sure it’s a very high percentage.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Contrasting the ‘perfect’ Muslim ideals with the real-world exercise of this mythology is no more valid than contrasting the ‘perfect’ Christian with it’s real-world counterpart. There are no religious communities that live up to their own standards.
Why? Because they are based on ignorance and silly superstition. Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism, etc., etc., etc., they’re all childish and worthless.
Grow up. There is no Invisible Friend to whom you need to pray. Be responsible for yourselves and make the most of the one life you’re going to get.
Religion is slavery of the mind.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:26 am
795
Yes, it´s a pity nobody – not even atheists – lives up to their standards. Still, it is a mighty difference whether those standards are good or foul. People with good standards will try to keep them, and if they forget them for a while will revert to them, as is shown by the many revivals in Christianity (of the history of Islam I know nothing). It´s pretty unfair too, to say: Your religion makes you a bad man! and when it is shown, as in this list, your religion asks nothing of the sort of you, you can say: Well, this can´t be true, since you´re a bad man anyhow.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:04 am
go on guys go on.
this is so entertaining.
i love it when they argue about this even though they clearly know that nobody is gonna win anything from it besides the satisfaction of bashing other people’s beliefs.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:08 am
@792: Funny how no one replied to my post no. 786. Funny how no one wants to discuss it. Why? Well, because no one wants to as there is no answer to it. Wanna have a discussion. Bring it on.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:20 am
I think all you end of world religious morons should go to, say, india, have a big battle and kill each other. Then us meek types get to inherit the world and (a big bonus) don’t have to listen to your pointless drivel anymore.
Stupid monkeys.
July 13th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
suchhhh a good list. happy to see it.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
@The Todd (793): WOW!
CATHOLICS ARENT TERRORISTS ANYMORE!?
July 13th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
There was a question regarding more recent acts of tolerance. In Turkey = a country with a population of over 95% muslim, The headquarters for the orthadox monastry sits. It is also the only empire that accepted Jews after they were Banished by the Catholic Catherine the Great of Spain.
In past times, before the Media frenzy about Islam, the otterman empire was the largest and was Muslim. All other religions were accepted under this rule. I think its fair to say that religion in its purest form is lovely, for those who chose to follow it, and an easy excuse to get away with murder, all religions included.
July 13th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
@Canacan (802): Well said.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
This is pure bullshit and an insult to anyone with a brain. Look around the world. Where there are Muslims there is hate, intolerance and violence. Women’s rights? Are you kidding? What a load of PC crap. This is my last visit to this site.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
618 hapitri:
Marrying 9 year girl by 10 or 15 year old boy is may be acceptable. compare 9 and 52 idiot.
And peoples in remote coutries/islands, they are unducated, they are likely animals, then what about your god. These peoples will not fuck (marry) a 9 year old girl by 52 year old man.
Whatever you peoples give the reasons, that’s totally wrong and unacceptable…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
So ….there’s all kinds of people in the world and people like to generalize. What I will never tolerate is people who abuse the weak such women and children or commits atorcities against human life to honour a religion or a culture. I know that even my civics teacher said “It’s culture” but when you start harming a human being, either physically or psychologically … it is just plain wrong to go and say “it’s culture” Humans have common sense and intelligence.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to ‘kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah’. “It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.” That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have sex with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you’ll see the massive amounts of‘good’ its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible ‘misconceptions’ about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives. THis is the first list that ive actually posted on and again for once am not impressed
July 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
rick 804: Lookey lookey lookey, Ricki my Love where have you been hiding, take your ass back to wherever it was! Son Of A Bitch!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
807: Read Post 768. Posted 3 times. Get a life loser!!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Remind me again.. how did saladin attack jerusalem?
Was it with TREBUSHES?? Made of… uuumm… metal?
Could all religions actully be lies?
Totaly disregarded muslim war rules:
7. Do not harm or burn trees
8. Do not destroy buildings
Yeah well start using brains and ignore islam and other shit.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
7raul7, must be all those 9 year old girls you keep knocking up
(that one’s for Rick:p)
Seriously,depending on your definition of spread lets try;
Much higher birth rates in most Muslim countries than in most christian countries, coupled with the essentially compulsory nature of Islam in many of said countries.
Also that fact that the largest religion represented amongst refugees (ie those who can’t wait to get out of their own country) is Islam which the recipient countries allow them to practice a situation that is clearly not applicable in the reverse direction.
So now answer my question. Whay are so many people keen to leave these Islamic countries, while so few refugees are keen to go there? (excluding deposed African Despots)
Cheers
Lee
July 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Oh, and while we are on the subject of unanswered questions I am still waiting for one of the reasoned Islamic responders (Raul, hapitri, Mastermind) to answer the last point of post630 and the first 2 points of 631.
Cheers
Lee
July 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
“However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God.”
Is that a typo (supposed to be ‘a god’) or are you suggesting Christians believe Jesus and God are one in the same?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
631: a few reasons….
In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The USA as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.
Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband.
Qur’an is the only religious scripture in the world that says ‘marry only one’ Qur’an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase ‘marry only one’. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the religious scriptures like the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.
Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives. In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a couple of centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.
Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had 2 wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah. (960 A.D to 1030 A.D) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, when an Act of the chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
631: here you go….
For those who don’t know, the Jizya is a tax imposed on the Christians and Jews living under the protection of the Islamic state. However, it is not imposed on all Christians and Jews. It is only imposed on the men who have attained puberty. So therefore it is not imposed on the women and children. The tax is also imposed fairly and is not meant to be overburdening.
The Jizya tax guarantees the Christians and Jews complete protection under the Islamic state. If an enemy country attacks the Islamic country, the Islamic country has a duty to defend the Christians and Jews and the Christians and Jews are not even obliged to fight!
Muslims also have to pay a yearly tax called Zakat. Zakat is even binding on property, and jewellery. Zakat should also be paid in the form of food as well. The Jizya is not binding on the property of the Christians and Jews.
Christians might use Surah 9:29 to show that Muslims must fight them until they pay the Jizya, so this shows discrimination. However, this also applies to the Muslims who do not pay their Zakat! Abu Bakr fought against the Muslims who didn’t pay Zakat. So how does this discriminate against the Christians and Jews?
This is completely justified. If they go against the Islamic rule and government they deserve to be punished. What else was Abu Bakr supposed to do? In America if someone does not pay their taxes they can go to jail. Does that make America unjust? In China they kill tax evaders (A New York Times article describes the context and details of one businessman who was executed in China for tax evasion (11 Mar. 2001). at http://www.irb-cisr.gc.ca/en/research/ndp/ref/?action=view&doc=chn41156e). You have to understand that these are God’s laws. It is probably difficult for a non-Muslim to understand this but from the Muslim perspective it is completely justifiable. For God sake people get executed or punished for crimes against man made laws, what do you expect to happen to people that break God’s laws?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
This list sucks. I’ve never seen so much bullshit on this site.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
If men and women are equal under Islam, why is it taboo for a mature women (still fertile) to marry a much younger boy (say 15 year old guy who is getting proper erection)?
I answered the last two questions with no problem… can u give me a source for this accusation?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
This list sucks. I’ve never seen so much bullshit on this site.
Why not leave the site then genius??? It’s not rocket science!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
On the topic of child brides, while I DO NOT condone the modern practice of pedophelia or marriage of young children, it realistically must be understood that at that time, standards WERE different. While the concept of sex with a minor is disgusting to many (including me), I am also capable of understanding the concept that in that time’s culture, it was acceptable. Please, PLEASE, don’t take that as my condoning it. As I said, the modern practice of such things appalls me, and so do people who attempt to rationalize thier pedophiliac desires with religious scripture that is no longer time-appropriate.
There are many facets of any religion that can shed a nasty light on its constituents. It is unfortunate, but true. Many religions can be said to have been spread by the sword, not just Islam. I believe the terrifying thing about religion in many cases, is that people can use it to relieve the responsibility and consequence of blame from thier shoulders, and claim that they acted solely for God, or Allah, or whomever else.
Also, in passing, why can we not debate like intelligent adults? I am not saying that everyone here is like that, not even close, but why is it that so many, when behind the anonymity of a computer screen, are reduced to bullying and name-calling? Have some respect for your fellow person.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
mastermind357(814)
thank you for another reasonable answer. I note in this answer that you comment about the Qu’ran specifically stating ‘marry only one’. I find this interesting as some commenter earlier on seem to associate Islam with polygamy. A more common misconception than some of those actually listed?
Cheers
Lee
July 13th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
820: No problem, im going to leave you with one of my favorite hadiths…
“Four types of people will be tested on the day of judgement: a deaf man who cannot hear anything, a mad man, an old aged man and a man who died during fatrah (a period of time when no messenger was sent to people). The deaf man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I cannot hear anything!”. The mad man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while the boys throw animals’ excrement on me!”. The old aged man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I can understand nothing”. And the man who died during a fatrah will say: “Oh Allah, I witnessed no messenger from You”. Then Allah takes a promise from them to obey Him. Then He will command them to enter hell, and who enters it will find it peace and cool, and who disobeys will be dragged to hell”
July 13th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
cmon whats wrong with you guys
why u keep supporting muslims there is something seriously wrong with those guys ,they dont deserve a place on this earth(most of them)
July 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
The vast majority of the world’s terrorists are white males from the US and Western Europe. 500 million dead in the last 500 years and counting.
Pick up a history book, white scat rats.
July 13th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Women’s Right & Islam:
I would love any Indian Muslim defend the actions of Muslim leaders after the Shah Bano Case.
The problem isn’t with the religion (Islam) but its leadership …
July 13th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
@lol_lol (822): everyone deserves a place on this earth? that was quite rude.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Great list my friend. It’s sad that some people would still look into these misconceptions and still defend them. But the truth is some choose to be ignorant til the very end. Islam is a pure and peaceful faith that espouses equality among all people. It pains me when someone who does not truly understand the faith, goes and quotes a part of the Quran and then claims that their own interpretation of it is the universal meaning, then condemns it. The verses are meant to be applied to your own life, and you interpret them through guidance from Allah. So if someone sees bad in it, it’s because they are not consulting Allah, and are just reflecting what is in their own heart.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:44 am
Being a Muslim but a very lax one, I am very happy that someone has taken the time out to write a list as such. I believe that regardless of what religion you follow, you are ultimately praying to the same God, just in a different language and way. Celebrate each other and be happy, I think that being a moral and upstanding, generous and kind, considerate and basically an all round GOOD human is something that every religion attains to.
I have a massive belief in God and nothing anybody says or do can ever change the way that I feel.
If you dont want to believe in a higher being than believe in yourself.
Muslims, Sikhs, Jew, Christians, Hindus and all the other religions to numerous to write, all of them practise the same thing… Be kind and just and love each other.
What more can you possibly ask of someone.
Stop judging a handful of people and then tarnishing a whole community.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:52 am
@811: k1w1taxi; Well, the reason why so many muslims are immigrants is because of facts like 1, terrorism, by extremists/fundemantelist who, ofcourse, are hated by everyone. 2, Extreme poverty or lack of oppurtunities. 3, In search of better living conditions. None, i repeat NONE leave due to religious problems. In Iran though, admittedly, some people leave because of religious persecution. As of Bahai’s, they are NOT killed, massacred, imprisoned or anything, its just that, according to the constitution & fatwas, they should not be considered muslims. That is exactly why they are looked upon unfavourably & since the society does not accept them, they are just pariahs.
@820: k1w1taxi; As for marriage & polygamy, yes, this is a bigger misconception. The Quran has explicitly stated that marry more than one only if the first one
i, is mentally retarded
ii, cannot produce a heir
iii, or, has commited a sin (adultery)
Some people say that since they can support many wives (i.e, monetary support), they are allowed to many marry more. This is a topic of controversy & hasn’t yet reached a conclusion. Anyways, its always nice to clarify people’s questions but some commentors semm to be hell bent on insulting the other religion. Christianity, judaism, hinduism, buddhism & many other religions have their own faults, & never have we insulted another religion pre-emptively because our Quran stops us from doing so. It is stated that ” Do not insult other religions ever because if you do so, they will insult back, & surely, such actions are looked down upon infavouably.” Pardon me, i cannot tell you the verses, but it is one of the most commonly quoted verses here (In Pakistan).
July 14th, 2009 at 3:00 am
@RICK
It’s me benny_the_chicken the 9 year old yadda yadda crap. obviously my 9 year old and 29 year old descriptions are way beyond ridiculous. people do this to make a point. seems you are stuck on the whole 9 year old aspect and not the 29 year old who is the same sexualy as the 9 year old. why is this? It’s because you are not a logical person. You are stuck on cultural reasoning and not critical thinking. You need to learn how to question ideas people have laid down for you instead of just accepting.
Give me 1 logical reason why it’s wrong for 1 sexualy matured person to have sex with another. Age? they are both sexually mature with sexual thoughts and urges, naturally. Mentally? when society tells you something is crazy wrong, we tend to believe it and through the years it is culturely stigmatized. Most of what we know comes from other people. If 100 people out of 100 people tell us something is wrong we believe it reguardless if it is truely wrong or not. How else do you think we had slaves for all of mankind up until about 200 years ago here in the US? Well the opposite has happened 100 out of 100 have told us it’s ok. So hey! it’s ok. But logically now, we can sit back and see how horrible it is.
obviously im not saying woooo 9 year olds should have sex!! but i was making a point. if someone is sexually matured and has sexual thoughts and urges, there is nothing logically or naturally wrong with it. it doesnt matter emotionally what you think. nature gives 2 shits about what Rick thinks, and neither does Rick’s subconcious. Ricks subconcious gives rick a boner when he sees that hot piece of 14 year old ass.
godbless and use that brain of yours once and again
July 14th, 2009 at 3:54 am
@shaj2329 (827):
Muslims, Sikhs, Jew, Christians, Hindus and all the other religions to numerous to write, all of them practise the same thing… Be kind and just and love each other.
No I think that is they one thing we have established that none of them all practice. They may all preach it but they all have segments that are responsible for the exact opposite. The only widespread religion that does not tmk have blood on it’s collective hands is Buddhism.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:00 am
@7raul7 (828):
But surely if poverty/living standards are their only reasons for leaving they would migrate to such like thinking Islamic countries as Saudi Arabia, UAE, Kuwait, and similarly wealthy countries where they would surely feel much more at home than Great Britain or New Zealand which have literally nothing in common with them.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:52 am
great list! i was surprised to find i was actually aware of some of these misconceptions. The Muhammad being married to a 9 year old one surprised me however
July 14th, 2009 at 9:57 am
“ Give me 1 logical reason why it’s wrong for 1 sexualy matured person to have sex with another. Age? they are both sexually mature with sexual thoughts and urges, naturally. (Mentally?)”
Benny your example is ridiculous (agreed) because a 9 year old child anomaly that reaches puberty is nowhere near mentally capable of making the decision whether or not she should have sex with old men? Even if she is, horny, or as you put it has sexual urges. Old enough to bleed, so, old enough to breed, should not be anyone’s motto. Should it? And if for some bazaar reason a 29 year old woman had just reaches her puberty she’s had the mental capability to make that decision for a long time now, assuming she isn’t mentally handicapped. Why do you so lightly dismiss the psychological wellness of a Child’s being?
Your explanation is that if other people feel the same way (or at least enough of them) then pedophilia should be considered normal. There have been many historic examples of cultures practicing what a more advanced society would consider abhorrent today. Using the time period, or culture is no excuse either, because if a person is supposedly lucky enough to have an all knowing Deity to guide them, then one would expect that Deity to at least be advance enough to recognize that old men should not be having sex with little children. I know allah was very busy correcting a lot of social norms back then, so perhaps pedophilia was just one normal social practice of the a time period that it missed.
Another person earlier posted (783) a modern explanation for child marriage in islam by a Sheik from the website Islam Online Today. No, not advice for ancient times, but today. In that Sheik’s ruling he said that it was “permitted” to hand over the “pre-pubescent” child to the husband, or as most decent people would say, “Pedophile”. Then the Sheik goes on to say consummation is determined by “when she’s ready for it”. That’s it. Read that again. When she’s ready for it. Who decides when she’s, ready for it? Does anybody care? Is it the pedophile that has acquired the child, or the child herself? Does “ready for it” mean when she’s hit puberty? I’m not sure the Sheik was cleverly vague. And if that’s what he meant, we already know some children can reach a very, very, very early puberty. Yippee for the husband, eh? Feeling better yet? Either way, it is sick in any decent person’s mind. Wouldn’t you agree? And another poster was happy to see that explanation posted, and said how sensible it all was. Sensible! Nobody in this thread pointed out how insane it is to hand over a pre-pubescent child to an old man, and consummation is left up to, one or the other to decide when she’s ……ready for it. I’m actually shocked more now than ever that I’m actually defending a young child’s right to not be sexually molested by an old man. Even under the guise of a so called marriage.
Incredible.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:14 am
My Wish is,
Whatever your religion, respect eachother, be kind, love the peace…
Every religion have it’s own + and -, good and bad. So If you go for a arguments, that never end.
Senthil.
http://www.senthil.name.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am
@830 Yes, muslims migrate all over the world, not only to america or england, its just that some people are attracted by the prospect of gettin paid in dollars or pounds. Here in Pakistan, if a person works in U.S.A/U.K, he is considered to be very fortunate even if he is a waiter. And of course, so many, in fact most, migrate to other prosperous muslim countries. Its just that wherever they see a chance/oppurtunity, they try with all their might to go.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
What is the penalty for apostasy? What is the penalty for females committing adultery? If you were a member of a social club or political party that was tied to as much homophobia, racism, bigotry, mysoginy and violence as Islam is, you would resign in protest.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi
Islam is not tolerant of other religions!
Read the above link. Non-Muslims have always been treated just a little better than dog shit.
Even today in Muslim countries it is illegal to do repairs to churches. Christians can not run for office, hold government jobs, talk about their religion and in some cases can not walk on certain streets.
Much of this list is an absolute lie. I have read the Koran from cover to cover.
While some of the things said in the list are true about Islam, the way it is practiced in actually is more true to the so-called misconceptions.
Also remember that in Islam one of it’s cherished traditions is the art of lying.
Muslims will tell you that the Koran forbids lying and that is “partially” true.
The Koran forbids lying to other Muslims, but lying to “kafar” the infidels is encouraged and praised.
So for a Muslim to lie right to your face is not a sin or wrong in any way.
That’s what I think about this list. It’s a bunch of lies to the ignorant unclean kafar.
Any religion that proudly proclaims that if some one leaves it they are to be killed is a cult, whether they have 30 members or over a billion.
One other fact to remember when debating Muslims: the Koran nullifies other parts of the Koran. Muslims love to quote parts of the Koran that are now null and void.
Such as they will quote the verse about there how no one should be forced or compelled into religion, but then never quote the later verse about smiting to death those that refuse to accept Islam.
Do a lot more research, this list is crap.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
I must say, this gave me pause – to wonder about the sanity of author of this list (something I had never considered before).
This ridiculous list of `misconceptions’ has so many errors, omissions, and outright fabrications, that it is hard to know where to start.
Why not the beginning?
Starting with the statements of the Swiss journalists – well there are many things to criticize here but let’s take the opening statement, about Xians `watching Islam emerge’ on the world stage.
Well, xians didn’t merely observe Islam’s entry on the world-stage: they were the initial victims of it, as Arab Muslims exploded out of the Near East, conquering the Xian Holy Land, followed by Xian territories in North Africa and in southern Europe, which they held onto for centuries.
the Crusades, which Xian leaders have been so eager to `apologize’ for in recent times, was a counter-attack against this invasion by Muslims into Xian territory.
And, of course, political Islam did not cease to be a threat to Europe until the seventeenth century, when turks were finally beaten back from conquering the Austrian empire.
Perhaps this is behind the `deformed’ view Xians have of Islam..
Moving on:
“Misconception” 10: I’m not sure if this is a misconception at all, if so it is understandable: Islam started out as an Arab religion; its sacred texts are in Arabic, and Islamic scholars, whether they are native Arabic speakers or not, are expected to learn classical Arabic in order to understand the `true’ message of god.
And, of course, the vast majority of Arabs ARE Muslims.
M9: I’m not sure, again, how many people believe that `Muslims hate Jesus’; understanding that the Prophets of Xianity are part of a long line of `messengers’ of Allah, is very broad, of course. Muslims deny, certainty, the divinity of Jesus, which Xians hold as sacred.
M8: re – children’s rights, again i don’t think there is a widespread `misconception’ about the rights of children under Islam.
M7: with regard to religious intolerance, yes it is true that there are episodes wherein Islamic religious leaders showed tolerance to other faiths; relative tolerance at least, but there are just as many instances where Muslims showed no such tolerance. In fact, Islam institutionalizes the second-class status of `people of the book’, forcing Jews and Xians to pay a special tax just for being who they are.
And of course, in the present day, there is no religious tolerance in many Muslim countries – saudia arabia being the most obvious example.
M6: let’s put this outright fabrication that `jihad’ means only `inner struggle’, and nothing else, as put about by Islamic propagandists in the West. It MAY mean that, but it also means holy war: this is how it is used by Osama bin Laden, Hamas, Hezbollah, etc. the group `Islamic Jihad’ is not a faction devoted to the quiet `inner struggle’ to resist sin, but an actual terrorist group.
M5: I’m sorry, the Prophet WAS a pedophile. She was nine years old upon marriage, and whether that was the practice at the time, or whether it was practiced elsewhere, is irrelevant: pedophilia is pedophilia. We don’t say that slavery isn’t slavery just because `that was the practice of the time.’
M4: Of course, every religion, every country, every army, has rules of war, as well: are you so stupid as to believe that these have been followed punctiliously for 1,500 years.
M3: No, women do not have rights under Islam, no matter what Islamic propagandists have to say about how wonderful the Koran is to women. Sure, the Koran mentions nothing about the veil, or about stoning, but the long tradition of Islamic law DOES mention these things, and much else to keep women in their place. This is why the `moderate’ Islamic scholar Tariq Ramadan has only called for a `morartorium’ on stoning of women for adultery, not its outright ban. to do the latter would be to contradict Islamic law outright.
M2: Islam was certainly spread by the sword: if an invading army comes and imposes its religon upon you, then this is coercion, no matter how you want to dress it up.
M1: again, no one believes that are Muslims are terrorists. However, international terrorism in recent times has been monopolized by Muslims: there is just no arguing with reality.
A real disappointment, this list of `misconceptions.’ The best thing to do would be to take it, flush it down the toilet and forget that you ever wrote such rubbish.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I have noticed two sides to this discussion; the people that defend Islam and the people who attack it. To be honest, it all looks like a matter of interpretation to me. Why do people fear Islam? I suggest getting to know Muslims would be a good first step before spouting out onto a weblog.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to ‘kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah’. “It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.” That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have sex with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you’ll see the massive amounts of‘good’ its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible ‘misconceptions’ about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
@ Rick
brosepf, you need to read what i wrote. When the hell did i mention pre-pubesence or children? and obviously if some pedder ass is just waiting for a kid to menstrate to have sex with them because they look child like is bad, but i did not suggest any of these things.
read Websters definitions of “child” and “pre-pubesence” and “pedophilia”. None of which have anything to do with a healthy sexually matured person, but strangely that’s ALL you talked about in your post.
“I’m actually shocked more now than ever that I’m actually defending a young child’s right to not be sexually molested by an old man. Even under the guise of a so called marriage.”
Who the hell here defended child molestation? That’s sick bro.
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side note, i did read what you wrote. obviously if mohammed had sex with a 6/9 year old she probably wasnt ready for sex. He should be hung by his fucking balls for putting someone so young through that.
read the whole thing not just the parts you want to hear for your bias benefit
July 15th, 2009 at 12:37 am
Well-written and chosen items. It dispelled a lot of my own myths about Islam.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
you all have same mistakes
its not the religion but the people that fool, who misunderstanding their own religion and others
if i can ask you all, i would ask you whats the true meaning that god would told you, for He send us many religion to choose, all i have ever heard is that the christian or islamic leader read their holy book and told the people based on what is their brain thinking about the meaning of their holy book
i Dare say that no human can perfectly told us about what is the true meaning in the holy book( bible/alquran/etc).
its not the religion that bad but the people that think their own religion is the only one that right
for you that extremist in your religion i want to ask you that have you go to after life and asked your God himself what religion thats true and what religion thats wrong
what if all religion that teach good think, all are true and God send them to us so we can choose what is the best religion for us
what do you say, can you proved that your religion is the only one that right?
i can say all of this because i have parents that have
different religion, my dad is a christian and my mother is a muslim
unique you may say but its common in my country
i have vast knowledge about christian and islam
and you would amaze that how much they have same similarities, and what in the hell they can have that much similarities?is that just a coincidence?
and for you fvcking 1d1ot that think iam just talking
think this, you are christian or you are a muslim just because both of your parents and or your community/country have the(majority) same religion and you are just following them
you are not like me that i free to choose based on my heart want to choose
btw my heart choose christian but my brothers choose to be a muslim
ive learned a true respect towards others religion
not like most of you that just following your parents religion and boasting that your religion is the best(moron)
i may be wrong about this but think about what i said
and sorry for the english, im not too good about this language, im just forced to say in english just to let you all know about what i thinking
all we have is just faith that the God is exist
July 15th, 2009 at 9:35 am
side note, i did read what you wrote. obviously if mohammed had sex with a 6/9 year old she probably wasnt ready for sex.
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But he didn’t have sex with her. There we go.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:09 am
@Great White (670):
well… I did say, not that I agree on it.
But you see, I will not defend my people for being illiterate (a sad fact that we Indonesian have to bear)… and not so knowledgeable
We do encourage people to go for higher education and all, but only a few who are pretty lucky to have some money…
It is unfair for parents to send their daughters to marry some old pervy, but can you blame them to live in the old tradition?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:21 am
hahahaha… funny people…
the funniest part for me is that most are atheists!!!
ROFL…
you’re all debating on one small matter just to… erm what?
oh yeah… to prove this http://www.cracked.com/article_17522_6-new-personality-disorders-caused-by-internet.html
interesting… very interesting…
no, don’t mind me… I’m just passing by…
July 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
k1w1taxi-You are a bit mistaken there. Buddhists do have blood on their hands. One current example is that buddhists in south Thailand have called for open attacks against muslims there. They have openly bombed and attacked innocent muslims in an attempt to claim that land for buddhists only and proclaim muslims should not be protected under Thai law. It’s especially bad because there is a muslim separatist movement down there who want to break away from Thailand because of the abuse and treatment as second class citizens.
smg45acp-if you are going to use wikipedia as your best reference for such slander, you really discredit yourself and your argument. I suggest trying to find a better resource to back up your inaccurate accusations if you want anyone to take you seriously for even a moment. Though anyone can do their own research and see right away that you are gravely mistaken and clearly speaking out of ignorance, misunderstanding and hatred. Hopefully Allah will one day touch your heart and show you the beauty of tolerance and peace. So peace be with you.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
841 “When the hell did i mention pre-pubesence or children? ”
Where did I say you mentioned pre-pubesent?
841 read Websters definitions of “child” and “pre-pubesence” and “pedophilia”. None of which have anything to do with a healthy sexually matured person”
What is a sexually mature person Benny? Is it a 9year old child that reaches puberty?
July 15th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
848 Rick: Why does your 2 sense have to be in everything? Get a life!! U make me sick 2 my stomach, I despise to even see your name. Is that all you do is criticize a person anytime they post a comment! Do something with your life.
July 16th, 2009 at 12:50 am
I think the people in the world from other religions they should read Islamic books not only about Islam then they can decide properly.
We need some tilented people as you Islam is the greates way to spend your life with peace.
July 16th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Rick is back … Hey every one … PAARRRTTYYYYYYYYYYYY !!
July 16th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Islam conquered the Middle East and North Africa, not because the Christian inhabitants were eager to convert after being treated nicely by Muslims, but because of the onerous taxes, second class citizenship, lack