In the words of Swiss journalist and author, Roger Du Pasquier “The West, whether Christian or dechristianised, has never really known Islam. Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it. It has been subjected to grotesque distortions the traces of which still endure in the European mind. Even today there are many Westerners for whom Islam can be reduced to three ideas: fanaticism, fatalism and polygamy. Of course, there does exist a more cultivated public whose ideas about Islam are less deformed; there are still precious few who know that the word islam signifies nothing other than ’submission to God’. One symptom of this ignorance is the fact that in the imagination of most Europeans, Allah refers to the divinity of the Muslims, not the God of the Christians and Jews; they are all surprised to hear, when one takes the trouble to explain things to them, that ‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name. “
Misconception: All Muslims are Arabs
The common image of a Muslim is a turbaned dark Arab man with a long beard. However this image is part of the minority of Muslims. Arabs make only 15% of the world’s Muslim population. As a matter of fact the Middle East comes in third with East Asia coming in at first (69%) and Africa (27%) coming in at second. Another common misconception is that all Arabs are Muslims. While the vast majority of Arabs are Muslims (75%), there are many other religions that Arabs practice including Christianity and Judaism.
Misconception: Muslims Hate Jesus
There are many similarities between the historical references of Christianity and Islam. Many people are amazed to find out that according to Muslim belief, Jesus is one of the greatest messengers of God. One cannot be a Muslim without believing in the virgin birth and the many miracles of Jesus Christ. Jesus is also mentioned in many verses of the Quran and is often used as an example of good virtue and character. However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God. Pictured above is Jesus in an Islamic portrayal of the last judgement.
Misconception: Children have no rights
Children, according to Islamic law, have various rights. One of these is the right to be properly brought up, raised, and educated. Islam encourages children to be brought up well because it is the responsibility of an adult to raise his child to become a moral and ethical adult. Children must also be treated equally. When giving financial gifts they should all be the same amount and there should be no preference among them. Children are even permitted to take moderately from their parent’s wealth to sustain themselves if the parent declines to give them proper funds for living. A child is also not allowed to get hit in the face or hit by anything larger than a pencil.
Misconception: Islam is intolerable to other religions
‘Kill the infidel’ is the phrase many people believe is the ideology that Muslims have towards the non Muslims. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of Islamic law. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. In the Quran it says “God does not forbid you, with regards to those who fight you not for religion nor drive you away out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for god loves those who are just.” There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities. Whenever he would visit holy areas he would ask for the Christian patriarch Sophronius (pictured above) to accompany him.
Misconception: Jihad means to fight for the sake of god
The true Arabic meaning of the word jihad is struggle. However in Islam it is often used to describe the striving in the way of god. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are Jihad al-nafs (jihad against ones self), jihad bil-lisan (jihad by being vocal), jihad bil yad (jihad by using action), and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword). Each jihad is ranked differently and it was reported that Muhammad returned from a battle and said “We have returned from the lesser jihad (going into battle) to the greater jihad (the struggle of the soul).” This means that a Muslim struggling against himself and his soul is more important than the jihad of going into war. Another misconception is that only when a person dies in war does that person becomes a martyr. This is, however, false and it is believed that anyone doing anything for the sake of god and is killed becomes a martyr. A person who dies while performing pilgrimage in Mecca, a woman who dies while giving birth, or even someone who dies in a car crash while he was on his way to the mosque are all considered martyrs.
Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile
While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage. It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible for their actions under Islamic law. At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions. It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry. There is no indication that the society at that time criticized this marriage due to the girl’s young age. On the contrary, the marriage was encouraged by the girl’s family and was welcomed by the community at large.
Misconception: Muslims are savages and barbaric during war
Quite the contrary, when it comes to the conduct of war there are ten rules that every Muslim army must obey:
1. Do not commit treachery
2. Do not deviate from the right path
3. Do not mutilate dead bodies
4. Do not kill children
5. Do not kill women
6. Do not kill aged men
7. Do not harm or burn trees
8. Do not destroy buildings
9. Do not destroy an enemy’s flock, unless you use it for your food
10. When you pass people who have devoted their lives to monastic services leave them alone
During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army and supplied them with food and during the third crusade when Saladin’s enemy king Richard fell sick, Saladin sent him a gift of fruits and horses.
Misconception: Women have no rights
The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.
Misconception: Islam was spread by the sword
Historian De lacey O’Leary states “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam. When Islam spread through countries they would set up private churches and synagogues for the non Muslims they were governing and because of the good treatment they had received they themselves would convert. If one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam to the west all the way from Spain and Morocco and into east from India and China one would realize that such a small group of people could not force others to be members of a religion against their will. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic empire, instead of destroying the religion they adopted it!
Misconception: Muslims are terrorists
This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives. Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’. Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention when many of their practices go against the true basis of Islam. The media has also portrayed Islam as a cult or a club where if you join you become a terrorist and that is now part of your agenda. However all over the world people practice Islam in the true form and use it as a way of life. There are many verses in the Quran that go against the idea of terrorism. Some of these verses include “fight in the way of Allah those that fight you but do not transgress limits for god does not love transgressors.” This basically means do not fight except in self defense and even in doing so do not go beyond defense. Another verse states “if they seek peace, then you seek peace,” which means do not attack people for no reason or kill innocent people. There is nowhere in Islam, whether it be in the Quran or the teachings of Muhammad, that promotes the killing of innocent people. Pictured above is a conference of Muslims against Terrorism.














July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Thanks for compiling this.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:38 am
I’ve never actually come across some of these misconceptions before – including the one about Muhammad being a pedophile. Good list anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 am
I myself am not Muslim, but some of these misconceptions really irritate me. Thanks for setting the record straight.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Good list- interesting
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 am
good list, islam is perhaps one of the most misunderstood things in the western culture, we belive what we hear on he news, no questioning
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Very Nice How Much
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Its a case of the minority ruining others perceptions of the majority with Islam i think!
Good List!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:52 am
Here comes trouble!
Interesting, though. I don’t have misconceptions. I have gaps in my knowledge.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Amen!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Astraya… i smell trouble as well..
but thanx a million for the list… it is very close to my heart..
July 10th, 2009 at 2:01 am
Thanks for posting this up, I think christianity has shed more bloodshed in this world than anything. The crusades were spread by the sword, the Spanish Inquisitions. Could you imagine if TV was honest.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:04 am
Great list..
“Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’.” — Excellent point..
Christians who somehow justify that killing doctors who perform abortions are just as much terrorists as Muslims who justify violence against the west. (and, no, i’m not pro-choice)
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 am
Great List.
The last one is really really common and really irritating.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:08 am
I was actually aware of some of these misconceptions. I am so smart. S-M-R-T, I mean S-M-A-R-T!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:13 am
Great list. I think its very important to promote and explain the difference between Muslims and extremist Islamists. If we didn’t have information like this, we’d only have things like the Daily Mail for information and boy, that would be bad!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 am
umm… all of these misconceptions are true. do you people not read the newpaper?!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:16 am
Holy Christ I hate the Daily Mail. Apparently there’s a new form of cancer that causes house prices to fall, lets homosexuals adopt children and lets immigrants into the UK.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Great list.
I think some of the items in this list is an eye opener for many muslims themselves instead of non muslims.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:20 am
this is a very important list in todays society, i know a bit about islam but even ive become victim to stereotyping Muslims, so its good to clear up many of these misconceptions
excellent list
July 10th, 2009 at 2:26 am
good list…just one thing: in #7 i think you mean that islam is INTOLERANT TOWARDS other religions…not intolerable to, which unfortunately i think is true
July 10th, 2009 at 2:30 am
that wasa good list, though non religious most islamic people i have meet are all really nice people, they dont get butthurt about my atheism like Ive seem a few Christians do, the reason i think we are so misinformed about islam in the western world is teh history between the christian church and them the crusades etc, so that in turn effects today
July 10th, 2009 at 2:36 am
In the kind and wise words of former President George “Dublya” Bush:
“If you dont support the war on Islam you’re a Muslim… or… Gay!” – just kidding guys!
Why in the hell would someone judge a culture, country or religion based on a few bad seeds??
Ignorance and greed is what makes wars!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 am
everytime i hear about misconception number 7 someone always gives an example of how some medieval ruler tolerated christians (like saladdin)… i don’t think there are current, modern day examples to showcase here, i guess. does it mean that tolerance is no longer practised?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 am
“Islam is intolerable to other religions”? Intolerant of other religions surely…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 am
its a shame that a few bad eggs in the crowd has even precipitated the compilation of such a list. although being raised in a predominantly muslim world where there were collections for taliban i find it hard to sympathise. some of my best m8s are muslims but that doesnt mean they practice the very well put ‘excuses’ in the article.
maybe my perspective is skewed cuz i spent too much time with them.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I had learned that Muhammad married his child bride when she was nine but didn’t consummate the marriage until she was 12 or 13, or until she became a “woman”. In any case standards were different back then, you can’t really hate on different cultural standards.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
“Great list”? Have you people read the Qu’ran instead of just accepting what someone says? Have you looked into Muhammad’s life and acts?
“As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a sexual preference for prepubescent children”. Muhammad married Aisha when she was around six. That is hardly what I would call a woman who has reached puberty. And based on his example, there are Islamic clerics today who say that it is OK to marry a 9 year old girl.
Now, during Muhammad’s time, Islam was tolerant of other religions when he was a nobody trying to convince people to join him; once he had gone to Medina and gathered strong support, his discourse changed, and now people had to be converted… or else. And while it is true that later there were places that tolerated Christians and Jews and others, they had to pay heavy taxes for the privilege of maintaining their religion. Try to do that now, taxing Muslims in Christian countries, and see if you are not branded as intolerant. And what about calling Christians and Jews pigs and monkeys, and calling for their deaths in the Qu’ran? Is that tolerance? Is that peace?
And what about the conquest of the Iberian peninsula, Constatinople, the Balcans, etc.? Didn’t the expansion of Islam stop in Europe not because people didn’t decide to convert, but as a result of battles (e.g.: Battle of Tours)?
There are many more insights regarding Islam that you can find elsewhere in the Web, or if you spend time reading about Muhammad’s life and the Qu’ran.
Pac
PS: I’m an atheist, by the way
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 am
I donno whats exactly there in the khoran, but in practice Islam is the most dogmatic, misogynistic faith.
Today, in saudi arabia a women is a half a man and no right to drive. I am not suprised you didn’t mention these kind of ground facts in your list, but eulogising the whole thing called Islam
July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Life in a theocratic muslim state:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1141267/Saudi-judge-sentences-pregnant-gang-rape-victim-100-lashes-committing-adultery.html
July 10th, 2009 at 2:45 am
good list!
some of them are my misconceptions and some are obviously!
as i knew that most muslim country or places are dangerous and always have war!
here in the philippines, we are the only majority catholic country in asia, there are terrorist and rebel from the southern part (mindanao)w/c are muslims, and one of our country’s head ache from many decades until now!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:47 am
In regard to women’s rights, how ’bout this verse?
Qur’an 4:34: “Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
Before anyone asks, by the way, I’m an agnostic.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:48 am
Great list! I am happy to see there are open minded people and ones who are not afraid to publish the truth. Insha’Allah more people will understand the true meaning of Islam.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:50 am
Muslims when they are in majority oppress all the others- You can take any muslim majority country for this example.
When they are in minority in numbers they always create the trouble.
Philippines- Mindanao
Thailand- Southern thailand
China- Xinjiang
India- Kashmir
Russia- Chechenya
Is this tolerance you mentioned in your article ??
July 10th, 2009 at 2:51 am
It doesn’t help that some of you guys are as much as ignorant as some stupid fundamentalist. Take a look at the Lebanon for an example of tolerance towards other religions. No really read the Wikipedia article.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:55 am
This is the best list I’ve seen in a while. Really informative. However, I do have to agree with Lelia (31); the author did tend to leave out passages from the Koran that contradict the idea that some of these are misconceptions. It’s been a while since I’ve studied Islam, so I can’t find the specific passages, but they are there. I think this list definitely needed to be written, and God knows that it would be helpful if a large portion of the US population would read it. But, I guess I’m just a stickler for objectivity, fairness and balance (so, imagine how pissed off I get when watching FOX news).
However, all that being said, this slightly biased view is no worse than the way Christians present their own history and theology.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:57 am
Wonderful list…I’m glad you put this together. Being a black male I can understand being judged based on sterotypes. Everyone should not be judged, but looked at on individual merit. (I’m off my soap box now…) Thanks
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 am
muslims ARE terrorists I don`t care what this says, its wrong. and a jihad is a holy war such as the crusades.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 am
msulli22
I do completely agree with you- The author is afflicted with selection bias- He chose whatever it suits to his preconceptions and left out all those which didn’t
July 10th, 2009 at 3:01 am
just to add to #3:
Is it really the case that men ‘really h-a-t-e it when girls cover up?!’
The reason for the covering in Islam therefore relates to other principles.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:02 am
I think that no religion is bad but that the people who practice it make it bad.
Of course not everybody makes it bad, just a few bad seeds. Although I do believe that you are a bit too biased towards it. Because you make it seem as if it is the perfect religion.
Just my opinion though
Great List!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Good list and quite enlightening. However, how many of the ten rules at number 4 were broken on September 11 2001?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 am
Great list; I was disturbed during the US election when Obama’s name was mentioned at Republican rally’s, sometimes people in the crowd would call out “terrorist” – the “logic” being that his father was a Muslim, so Obama was a Muslim so he was a terrorist. Wilful stupidity.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:06 am
From the Qu’ran:
2: The Cow (women have rights, but no the same as men, because they are easily confused).
“228. Women also have recognized rights as men have, though men have an edge over them.”
“282. But if two men are not available, then a man and two women you approve, so that in case one of them is confused the other may remind her.”
9: Repentance (convert by the sword… or else):
“5. But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over, slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place. But if they repent and fulfil their devotional obligations and pay the zakat, then let them go their way, for God is forgiving and kind.”
“29. Fight those people of the Book who do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not prohibit what God and His Apostle have forbidden, nor accept divine law, until all of them pay protective tax in submission.”
About Aisha, from the Hadith (Muhammad was 53, Aisha 6):
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5977:
‘A’isha reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: I saw you in a dream for three nights when an angel brought you to me in a silk cloth and he said: Here is your wife, and when I removed (the cloth) from your face, lo, it was yourself, so I said: If this is from Allah, let Him carry it out.
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5981:
A’isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), whereas Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent them to her.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 3:12 am
Maybe I read it wrong but did Muhammad’s young bride start puberty at 6. That’s got to be some kind of record!!
An excellent list though.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:14 am
This list just shows how wrong the media is about Islam. Good on Listverse for not having media bias and just telling the facts.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Thank you. I am so glad that this list has been compiled. For all people seeking a more civilized way through the troubles of progress. Thank you.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:20 am
Great list. I sent this same list a couple of months ago but then it was overlooked. You can find these in book ‘Islam: your birth right’ & many other issues clarified.
As for DeBakey (33)
Muslims in majority oppress all others. LOl, ever heard of the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Pakistan etc. ? Give me one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us. Also, ever heard of a country named India, where muslims are burnt & oppressed routinely, christians are harrased, raped & killed daily, where sikhs are prejudiced aginst since god knows when. But of course, no one talks about it in the whole goddamned world. Why? Because the media has more important issue (of ISLAMIC terrorism/extremism/fundementalism) to discuss. Ever wonder why those hindus who far exceed muslims in extremism are never blamed? Because the media can only see muslims. Ever wonder why the hindu religion is never questioned or their beliefs made fun of? Because no one wants to.
As for your idea that they create trouble, chechnya has asked for independence or atleast autonomy & i think any one can ask for independence. So when the eastern european countries came into being & broke away from the USSR, did you say they create trouble? No, no one said anything.
Kashmir. Do you even know why kashmir is such a hot issue? The story goes as follows. When the time of independence for the subcontinent (india/Pakistan) came, it was decided that every region would decide for itself. So, when west bengal & hyderabad, with hindu majority said that they will join India, their muslim ruler said otherwise & tried to join pakistan but Pakistan didn’t allow them because it was agreed that the decisions will be made by the majority. So, when Kashmir, with muslim majority, said they will join Pakistan, its sikh ruler said otherwise & made them join idia (or rather, was presented with no option but to join india). Pakistan cried foul over this & Pakistani Pathans from N.W.F.P hurried & conquered half of kashmir which is known as Azad kashmir (free kashmir) today. U.n has passed numerous resolutions saying that a refrendum/plebiscite should be conducted under the auspices of the U.N, but india has turned a deaf ear to all of these. See any double standards over here ? Ofcouse, ignorant & stupid people like you find it easy to blame.
Furthermore, when it is said said that Muhammad (p.b.u.h) married Ayesha (r.a) when she was nine, it means they had a nikah when she was 9. Nikah is a pledge of marriage & after nikah, you can marry the girl after as much time as wanted or said. Their Marriage was when she was older.
So, learn to be respectful of other religions & don’t blame it without reason/proof.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:27 am
I really wish religion would just fuck off.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:36 am
I want to thank everyone who read the list and hopefully it cleared some questions in regards to the topic!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:39 am
While maybe not “the point of the sword”, most of the history I’ve read about the Ottoman Empire and its trek across the Balkan states agrees that Islam overtook Christianity primarily through taxation. Christians were taxed so highly and had so little hope of finding work (particularly within the government) that their only option was to publicly renounce Christianity and embrace Islam.
I’ve lived and worked with Muslims for a large part of my life and none of them have ever tried to sugarcoat the failings of individuals within their religion anymore than I have…I’m Catholic. While Islam and the Quran might not encourage the activities noted above, should we stick our heads in the sand and pretend that they do not occur, and on a frighteningly large scale? Any act of violence in the name of religion (ANY religion) should be condemned and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Ahhh… Religion!!
Yes, I believe religion has its purposes. In societies where Law and Justice are weak religion is the only thing stopping total chaos and anarchy! However, in modern society religion has no purpose. In fact, religion just creates more problems and segregates citizens! We are all equal no matter gender or colour!
There was a study that showed that 70% of Muslims, when moving to the west, leave behind several traditions of their faith! Christianity has lost millions of followers over the years! Is this all coincidence? I think not!
ONCE PEOPLE ARENT JUDGED BY THEIR GOVERMENT ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THEY TEND TO “OPEN THEIR EYES” AND QUESTION THE TRUE MEANING OF RELIGION!
I believe its a matter of decades before religion is totaly dismissed. But then again Man will always find something to fight about. Weak beings we are!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
As far as I’m concerned, Christianity == Islam. Both have the burden of misconceptions, depending on the geographical location and the culture and tradition of your country. For all the Christian countries, Islam is evil, for all the Islam countries Christianity is evil.
At least to large groups of people.
There are many verses in Bible which can be interpreted equally horrible as those from Qur’an. From slavery (trading rules for slaves) to what could be referred to as “holy wars”.
One just needs to use his brain a bit to realize that no religion can be evil by default (well, except satanism I assume, if that’s a religion) because the majority of people wouldn’t buy that.
Faith is often mixed with religion but they are two distinct entities. Overall, faith is positive, but all religions suck. They are good in theory, like capitalism, but in practice…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 am
7Raul7: For Ganesh’s sake! Don’t start on the Hindus. They don’t even hurt cows!!
I agree with romerozombie. I wish everyone would stop all this religious friction and just fuck off… or get along!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Well the Turks used to kill people by shoving a spear trough a persons rear end next to the spine, avoiding vital organs just to lead to a very very painful death, if that isnt brutal then i dont know what is, and what about the killings concerning the danish caricatures? Still i think islam is a very foul religion, in fact the worst wars in history were lead by muslims and thanks to the belief of predestination and jihad they were very succesful.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:41 am
@47
Let’s see… intolerant Muslim nation… one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us (i.e.: Muslims)… how about Saudi Arabia? Are there Christian churches there where people can freely profess their religion? How about Synagogues? Are non-Muslims allowed in Mecca?
From Wikipedia: “Saudi Arabia allows Christians to enter the country as temporary workers, but does not allow them to practice their faith. Foreign Christians generally only worship in secret within private homes. Items and articles belonging to religions other than Islam are prohibited. These may include Bibles, crucifixes, statues, carvings, items with religious symbols such as the Star of David, and others.”
Regarding your comment on Aisha: apologetic. The Hadith, as I have posted @43, clearly states that she was 6 when Muhammad married her, and 9 when the marriage was consummated.
More Hadith:
From Tabari IX:131 “My mother came to me while I was being swung on a swing between two branches and got me down. My nurse took over and wiped my face with some water and started leading me. When I was at the door she stopped so I could catch my breath. I was brought in while Muhammad was sitting on a bed in our house. My mother made me sit on his lap. The other men and women got up and left. The Prophet consummated his marriage with me in my house when I was nine years old. Neither a camel nor a sheep was slaughtered on behalf of me.”
From Abu Dawud, Vol. 2, #2116: “Aisha said, “The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old.” (The narrator Sulaiman said: “Or six years.”). “He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.”
Islamists will insist that the term ‘consummate the marriage’ means ‘nikah’, not sex. This is despite the above translation that explicits states ‘intercourse’.
PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 3:43 am
awesome list, this should be on the front pages around the western world tbh.
I just can’t stand people that condemn things without even knowing what it is about.
Of course there is no denying that a lot of harm was done in the name of the islam, but same goes for christianity and pretty much every other religion and/or ideology.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Taught me alot.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 am
Yes, very well-compiled list of historical and social contradictions in the treatment of a self-identifying group. It is, however, still a shared belief in spirit creatures that intercede in the daily affairs of men, with promises of a supernatural afterlife and reward/punishment by a supreme deity, right? Collective worship of unseen metaphysical forces that dictate the behavior and fates of every individual ever born?
I agree that persecution and violence resulting from ignorance of religious laws and rituals is wrong and barbaric. Respect is due all humans. I disagree, however, with the intellectual coddling of the great masses who cannot take personal, earthly responsibility for their own motivations and actions. Christians, Muslims, Seventh Day Adventists, Scientologists and Zoroastrians all deserve the same treatment. It’s too bad that ‘treatment’ isn’t education in science, mathematics, and the true underpinnings of all Nature. There might a few less beheadings after that.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:56 am
I don’t understand why muslims must populate other countries as set up their own mosques and muslim only schools. They want their rights to be respected but they immigrate to another how about assimilating a little instead of distancing themselves from the rest of the population.
Makes no sense.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:02 am
first things first Islam was NEVER a religion of tolerance or peace. I am sick and tired of this constant ignorance being spewed forth almost everywhere-just look at a history book to see what I mean
-Muslims invading Greece now turkey finally destroying the roman empire in 1453
-Armenian genocide by turks
-amount of native Hindus left in Pakistan
-Iran was dominantly Zoroastrian , virtually none left and those that still are there are SEVERELY persecuted
-Egypt was dominantly Christian with Alexandria being a major Christian center pre-700ad until invaded by Muslim Arabs. now very hard for Coptic Christians
There are many more such incidents with the motive making Islam a global religion. don’t believe me? Muslims in minority are rioting in china for a separate state.Cechnian Muslim terrorists in Russia fighting for an independent country . Albanian Muslims successfully managed to take land from Serbia.
these are just a few examples on a wide scale. there are countless more personal accounts of what this so called religion of peace does to people morally
no doubt a lot of “EDUCATED” people reading this quickly think that a lot of these actions are a response to discrimination or would be quick to list a number of relatively few such similar incidents incurred by other cultures/religions. to this I say that of all the dominant faiths of this world only Islam promotes violence and physical dominance consistently . all the other dominant ones are religions of peace.
finally I do not hate Muslims people I find many are incredibly good people. I only hate the religion of Islam
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I certainly hope this misconception list was posted as a joke. I’ve never read so much propandist bull about Islam in my life.
Almost every misconception statement “debunking” was followed by completely false data.
The only one that made me laugh was the plea to downgrade “terrorism” to just a little ole hate crime…LOL.
Mohammed married a six year old and raped her when she was nine. No words can sweeten that fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Raul 7
You want an example for oppression in muslim majority nations.
Just one example – Eminent scientist Abdus Salam who recieved nobel prize in Physicsis from Pakisthan and that nation didn’t even recognised him just becos he belonged to Ahmedi sect.
Now go on about ur rants – you got a bone in the brain stupid.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Religion, like any human institution, is misused. As with Christianity the intent of Islam is to inspire hope, inner peace, a code of ethics, an explanation of our existence and a promise of an afterlife. Unfortunately somewhere along the way some people have misused both religions for their own ends. But hey, we have also misused the good intentions of other great philosophies such as Democracy, Capitalism, Communism, Environmentalism and so on and so forth. Unfortunately we seem to find evil in whatever we do. Hopefully someone is looking out for us all.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:15 am
@47:
India, in spite of all its flaws, is a pluralistic society. While friction between different groups do happen, the people have co-existed more or less peacefully for the last 60 odd years.
Hindus are more extreme than muslims? Tell me how many hindus blow themselves up in crowded places daily or hijack planes to steer them into skyscrappers? How many Hindus deny the right of a people, a country (read Israel)to exist?
West Bengal had a muslim ruler? Dude, what were you smoking? West Bengal had been under british rule since 1757. It was the capital of India till the 1940s.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:24 am
I dont´t know why people are getting so worked up about item 5 on this list. By today´s standards Muhammad would have been a pedophile for having sex with a nine year old girl, but in the 7th century arab world the culture was a lot different. At the time there was nothing wrong with what Muhammad was doing. Aisha´s (the six year old bríde) family were supportive of the marriage and she was Muhammed´s favourite wife.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 am
This is a nice list.
I will however keep fighting religions (any) because all religion require people to stop thinking and believe. This is the greatest crime of all religions and I will always fight against it, as it is the base for the worst atrocities committed in history.
7 people have been beheaded today in the name of sharia.
They were of course ecexuted by bad muslims, but, well, tell it to the beheaded victims.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Wow, right from the intro this list fails to take into account that most people’s opinion of Islam might justifiably be influenced by, I don’t know, let’s say the fact that there is currently a global war on Islamic terrorism going on that affects people in many countries worldwide in which the *stated goal* is to convert the infidels or kill them all.
And one only has to look at Sharia Law to see how Islam is used to justify inhuman treatment of men, women and children in those cultures.
Please, you can put up the tenets of any religion and then complain about how it has been bastardized in the media or by “uneducated” people who don’t “know” your religion. Why do people need to “know” you religion as if it was their own? I think it’s perfectly understandable that a person who has but a cursory knowledge of the deeper fundamentals of any religion might base their opinion (of which they are entitled) on the *behavior* of its practitioners.
But since I’m so uneducated about Islam, maybe you can explain what in “intifada” is. I’ve always been curious.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:31 am
@a state of ignorance:
“all the other dominant ones are religions of peace.”
That’s a ridiculous statement. Just because they’ve learned to be more subtle, through many centuries of experience, it doesn’t mean they have changed. From catholic cardinals helping Nazi generals escape to south America, to countless cases of supporting both sides in a war. You name it, they got it. “Other religions” are nearly always the same: do as I say, not as I do.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:39 am
long time follower. absolutely love your work but alot of this list is not correct. No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to ‘kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah’. “It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence.” That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have sex with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you’ll see the massive amounts of ‘good’ its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible ‘misconceptions’ about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives. THis is the first list that ive actually posted on and again for once am not impressed
July 10th, 2009 at 4:40 am
I’d like to quote the man himself, Jfrater, for a moment.
If you’d all refer to ‘Top ten images of irony’, you’ll see comment number 12, namely:
“they are saying he has lost his moral balance, whilst they support terrorist bombings of innocent people.”
The ‘they’ he is referring to are people in burkhas. Nothing more.
Also, he says, in comment 38:
“it is about the fact that we hear virtually nothing from Islamic people in protest to their own people about the immoral terrorist attacks and threats”
That’s funny jfrater – at number one on this list there is clearly a photo of “a conference of Muslims against Terrorism.” That must have taken all of twenty seconds to google.
Please do with these what you will. Has jfrater changed his mind now, or is this current list simply an attempt to appear tolerant?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 am
You need to correct #2:
Muslims did propagate Islam ‘by sword’ in India during the Mughal rule. For Example – Akbar, the Great:
Contrary to popular belief Akbar, continued the policy of Babur and Humayun in the destruction of Hindu temples. It is recorded by Bayazid Biyat, personal attendant of Humayun, that Akbar gave two villages for the upkeep of a mosque and a Madrasa which was setup by destroying a Hindu temple, this was done under the supervision of ‘Todar Mal’ who was highly regarded Hindu minister (vizir) of Akbar. Akbar’s army was responsible for demolition of rich Hindu temples which had gold idols in the Doab region between Ganga and Yamuna. Historian Abd al-Qadir Badauni records that during Akbar’s reign at Nagarkot, near Kangra, 200 cows were slaughtered, numerous Hindus killed and a temple was demolished.
Akbar spread Islam in India by waging a holy war (Jihad) against Hindu kings. During the siege of Chittor in 1567 CE, 8000 rajputs had remained inside the fort to defend various temples after the cavalry sallied out to meet Akbar’s army in the plain below. These 8000 died fighting to the last man in defense of Hindu temples when Akbar’s army stormed the fort and attacked the temples. In addition there were 30,000 plus Hindu peasants inside the fort who were unarmed and massacred in cold blood by Akbar’s forces by his order on February 24, 1568 CE.
Jizya (tax on non-muslims) was repealed in 1562 by Akbar but was reinstated in 1575 before being again repealed in 1580. This tax had been used as a weapon by Muslim rulers in India to convert poor Hindus to the fold of Islam because this tax could not be imposed on Muslims. This tax caused most burden on the poor, and on their inability to pay the poor Hindus faced execution but by converting to Islam their life was spared.
During Akbar’s reign, his general Husain Khan ‘Tukriya’ forcibly made non-Muslims (Hindus) wear discriminatory patches of different colours on their shoulders or sleeves.
And this was the most tolerant of Indian muslims rulers. So, in a way, your claim that Islam didn’t spread by sword is wrong – at least in India.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:44 am
You know what I hate? I hate it when folks start a holy book “quote” war. All manner of bad behavior can be justified by pulling random quotes out of context, crap sometimes in context – either in the Bible or the Quran. All you have to do is look hard enough. Pretty sure that the Westboro Baptists, hate-mongering Christian racist/survivalists, serial child abuser Warren Jeffs and his sicko posse can all quote scripture that “proves” their conduct is anointed by God.
DeBakey – speaking of Pakistan, have you not been paying attention to the news? When the Pakistani government made concessions to the Taliban the general populace had a fit. The 97% Islamic general populace. There is hope that the tide of fundementalism can be thwarted.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
@jimibauer24 (71):
Very well said. You only need look to Londonstan to see what modern Islam brings to a society.
@mom424 (74):
And you’re right about the quote war. The main difference however is that the majority of modern practitioners of Christianity have left “stoning adulterers” and other barbaric treatment of the bible in the dark ages, but followers of the Koran are forced to still live in a world of stoning and other such barbarism as laid on in their ancient holy text.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 am
great list!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 am
7raul7: Do you live in an alterate universe?
Show the examples of rampant atrocities of minorities in India. While India doesn’t have a clean slate on human rights, India has treated it’s minorities with more than kid gloves.
Otherwise, tell me one country where the Prime Minister of the Country make a statement – The first right of resources belong to Muslims. Show me one country where the minority get affirmative policies even thought they ruled the country not so long ago. Why the blindness to the affirmative action benefits to Muslims and Christians?
There have been escalations – 1984 Sikh riots, 1992 Post-Babri Masjid demolition riots, 2002 Gujarat Riots, 2009 Kandhamal Riots but don’t for one second think that the minorities are faultless in this. Seriously:
* Muslims didn’t think that burning 60 hindus in a rail compartment will not invite anger against them?
* Christians didn’t think conversion by force, coercion or money wouldn’t invite backlash?
Is the Hindu extremists reaction for these event justifiable? HELL, NO. Each one of the folks that participated in these riots has a special place reserved for him/her in HELL. But acknowledge that the minorities aren’t faultless.
Anyways, I don’t India has to answer or respond to a group of folks who don’t even have the decency of allowing other religions to build worship areas. Does Saudi Arabia allow Churches/Temples to be built? Any country in the Middle-East?
I have a question for Muslims, esp. in India:
* What is so special about Babri Masjid (a Masjid where prayers haven’t been conducted since 1847!). How can you object to building a TEMPLE in the BIRTH PLACE of RAM – one of the main Gods in Hinduism. How would Muslims react if the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi was demolished and a church/temple built over it? Will you not object?
* In 2008, the Government of Kashmir decided to allocate 65 acres of land to a Temple Trust to build accomodation facilities for pilgrims in Amarnath Yatra. The Muslims objected to this? Why? Can you come up with a good reason?
* And for Christians, why the need to construct Churches right next to important Hindu Temples in the state of Andhra Pradesh (is it a surprise that the CM of the state is a converted Christian!)?
Muslims (in India) need to show tolerance & goodwill to Hindus before they demand the same!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 am
No no no no no no no. This list is not a ‘very important list in todays society’(#19). Yes, Islam is somewhat a misunderstood and distorted religion in the west, however, it is not a peaceful religion. The penalty for Apostasy in Islamic countries is the death penalty.
A list that would be truly important in todays society is one which exposed the ridiculous nature of religion, all religions.
I can understand why people would have been religious. In the 4th century B.C when man first realised the awesome life giving authority of the sun, and the miraculous movement and power of the stars, it is understandable why early civilisations would have seen these objects as things to be worshiped. The sun makes the crops grow and keeps you safe from the predator filled darkness, why would you not worship it. Even right through to the middle ages when the mysteries of life, ‘How it came to be’, ‘Where did we come from’, ‘how does life work’, these sorts of questions were still completely incomprehensible, it seems reasonable to attribute them to a creator of one kind or another.
However there are no excuses in todays world. The myths that religion once spread through the world have been proven to be just that, myths. Religion was merely a filler until we found the real answers, and now we have, in the form of science.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 am
Wow, this list can be debated about forever…
And because I’m so kind, I’ll include my little bit =)
It was a good list. I’m not sure if all the facts etc are correct, but I am always in favour of something -anything- that might make people more tolerant towards things they don’t know or understand – including the islam.
As I see it, the islam is ‘just’ another religion. There are extremists and good and bad points, like every other religion has. There are things in the islam I don’t agree with, just as there are things in christianity which I don’t agree with.
The problem with the world’s perception of the islam is that we don’t really hear about the regular, tolerant muslim man from down the street. No, we only hear about the worst side, because that is simply the side that has the most influence.
It’s logical, but I think people shouldn’t make judgements based on such limited knowledge. It has always been one of the things I have ‘fought’ most for – I grew up in a predominantly islamic neighbourhood in the Netherlands (or I suppose the better description would be a non-Dutch neighbourhood) and I could get very angry when people were bullied (I was a child back then, so bullied is the right word) for what they believed, no matter if they were Jewish, muslim or atheist. And it can still make me pretty angry – thank god I don’t have to deal with many people like that.
When I was a child (I should clarify that I am 16 now, so I mean when I was about 10 years old) there was an Afghani family in my neighbourhood with 7 (later
kids. They all lived in a small apartment but they were so kind.
My mother and I once brought them a bunk bed we didn’t use anymore (and since they have so many children, we thought they could use it) and we left about 3 hours later with naan (which was SO GOOD), crisps, and our bellies full of tea and food. I’ve never found any Dutch family to be so hospitable. I think that was one of the best things of growing up in such a diverse neighbourhood – you learn the good and bad things about every culture, and to me, the hospitality people from other cultures display.
I make a distinction between religion and culture, which I why I said that you learn the good and bad things about every culture, because in this case, I think religion played quite a big role.
.. I’ll stop now. I’m confusing myself xD
July 10th, 2009 at 5:12 am
#70- Excuse me. I have to take offense as a Catholic. The church and the priests did NOT aid Nazi generals in escaping. One of the largest groups in concentration camps, after the Jews, was Catholics. Remember, Germany was and is a predominantly Lutheran country, and Lutherans do NOT like Catholics.
If it doesn’t already exist, someone ought to write a list showing misconceptions about the Catholic Church. I’m not stupid enough to ignore some of the major wrong doings that the Church did (Inquisition much?), but like with the generalizations about Muslims due to the extremists, people think it’s OK to make fun of the Catholic Church because of a FEW (less than 1%) pedophiles and some poorly “researched” books from Dan Brown.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:13 am
There are definitely some misconceptions about Islam, but this list is also bias, and cannot represent the Islam in a honest way.
I believe this list is forcibly published just because some people were starting to see this site as a grand conspiracy against Muslims.
And while I do agree that there are Muslim folks out there that are good and kind people, most of them are very narrow minded and traditional (in a bad way). Can someone please explain me why are all of their women have covered face?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 am
@dr. Hannibal Lecter (70):
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I did not write my statement based on the actions of leaders of religions but the actual religions themselves. of course there were many corrupt clergy of all faiths as this is human nature but this does not mean they are right nor does it mean the text is wrong.you would find for example alot of despicable christian rulers but does that mean they were good christians? the same applies with hindus and buddhists.The leaders of Islam however are evil again and again beacuse they are backed morally by thier so called holy book.
as for your comment on catholic cardinals helping Nazis this is an abject lie in fact Hitler persecuted Christian cardinals- a lesser known fact that seems to have been forgotten.I write all of this backed by facts
July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 am
I am terribly sorry, but I will have to disagree. The Ottoman empire conquered all of the Balkans and tried to impose Islam on the native population in violent ways. Do not try to rewrite history, please.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:18 am
“Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
And how exactly did it appear on the world stage? I would wager that a majority of Christians (or anyone else’s, for that matter) introduction to Islam was the result of an Islamic terrorist action.
My question is why there hasn’t been a loud vocal outcry from the Islamic community against such actions. Seems to me that if they want to salvage the image of Islam that some concerted effort to set the record straight ought to be widespread. I’m just not hearing this. Is it because of fear? Apathy? Or do moderate Muslims secretly applaud the cause of extremism in order to convert the world to Islam?
Speak up to prove this wrong!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:22 am
@archiealt: So please explain to me what caused the Big Bang. I´m not saying that a supernatural force was involved, but just trying to prove that science has yet to give us all the answers.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 am
This was one of the best list that I have read on this website. Great job!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 am
this list is mostly nonsense. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it” you must not live in the west where it is punishable by law to slander them and they have mosques,schools and respect in most christian countries. also perhaps they were insulted but thats probably because they ruthlessly attacked christian lands for centuries carving an islamic empire. they impsosed massive taxes on non muslims and all important positions were muslim only yet you say they were not spread by the sword. read a history book. the mongols, a warlike and conquering race converted to islam- i wonder why (similiarities perhaps). how does some muslim countries taking part in beauty contests cancel out the fact men and women are segregated in islam, women in some countries cant leave the house unescorted, rape is legal and they have to cover everything but the eyes with stoning as punishment.
The fact that 50 year old mohammeds bride had reached puberty does not change the fact she was nine and he is by definition a pedo
July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 am
@Ellis21 (89):
you’ll lose your bet:)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 am
apepper,
Obama was beign called a Muslim because hsi middle name. Hussein was teh son of Ali. It is not a name you woudl really call anyone who was a non-Muslim. Calling him terrorist was not correct but he may have been a Muslim as a kid. The idea is that he constantly denies it when there may be some evidence.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 am
this list is mostly nonsense. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it” you must not live in the west where it is punishable by law to slander them and they have mosques,schools and respect in most christian countries. also perhaps they were insulted but thats probably because they ruthlessly attacked christian lands for centuries carving an islamic empire. they impsosed massive taxes on non muslims and all important positions were muslim only yet you say they were not spread by the sword. read a history book. the mongols, a warlike and
conquering race converted to islam- i wonder why (similiarities perhaps). how does some muslim countries taking part in beauty contests cancel out the fact men and women are segregated in islam, women in some countries cant leave the house unescorted, rape is legal and they have to cover everything but the eyes with stoning as punishment.
The fact that 50 year old mohammeds bride had reached puberty does not change the fact she was nine and he is by definition a pedo.
p.s many theories to big bangs cause so dont dismiss science when you havent done your research people
July 10th, 2009 at 5:42 am
i dont know shit yet you didnt disprove anything i said cause its all fact
July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Ellis 21 (89): I neither hate Islam not dislike Muslims.
As individuals – they are no different than most of us & interact as well as any other group around them.
The problem comes when the behavior of a group of Muslims is examined. For some reason, the moderate lose out & the extremist elements impose their ideas, thoughts & edict on the whole group. Why? I have no idea.
BTW, i think all religious are equal & ALL PATHS lead to the ONE GOD that the people of the particular faith believes in. I consider no path to be superior or inferior to another. Be it, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism – all are EQUAL!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Nothing wrong with most religions. Its the fact that most followers of the abrahamic religions don’t read their own holy book.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 am
People will always use religion to justify hate, bigotry, crime, murder and discrimination. Just because the Bible says “love thy neighbour” does not mean it wasn’t once used to execute millions of innocent, good people as “heretics”. Similarly, just because – if you REALLY STUDY it – the Koran is warm and fuzzy, doesn’t mean that millions of people aren’t using it TODAY to justify murder, terrorism, discrimination, hate and war.
There are a lot of wonderful, good people in the world. Some of them are Christian. Some are Muslim. Some are Buddhist, Wiccan, Atheist, or whatever. But while religion gives hope and guidance to many people, its destructive effects which continue to poison society will greatly outweigh its benefits.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:45 am
@topdawg (92):
to top dawg I reckon alexman knows more “shit” then youve ever said in your life.like he said get a history book and read some “shit”. that will stop you from talking from your arse again
July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 am
@topdawg (92): yet you ARE sitting in your house spewing crap. fool
July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 am
@topdawg (102): you call us all these insults yet your doing the same thing as us you stupid hypocrit moron. you keep coming back saying childish things yet when we come back we’re geeks. how does that work. plus our arguments at least have evidence.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 am
@topdawg (102):
hahaha thanks for concern but I can look after myself.I meet losers like you every day and its funny because your a damn idiot and I dont have time to waste on you. have a nice life:)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:54 am
@topdawg (105): lol your basically the most ignorant and stupid person on here. you hate jews and atheists – two entire belief groups yet i;m stupid for debating a couple of the things said in this list. not wasting my time anymore with this crap. byzee bye
July 10th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Isn’t this list more about the theology of Islam and not the people who practice it? Just saying, if it’s meant to be objective then it’s not really about the Muslim people.
I definitely think this list is selective in information. Don’t many holy texts contain a multitude of hypocrisies? You can argue all day and quote as many holy texts as you want but it will still get you nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:57 am
Haha I feel a sudden urge to go hug some muslims now xD
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 am
WELL DONE and THANKS for composing this, The Duke Capone and jfrater for publishing this. It goes to show how there are a handful of people who takes a religion out of context and misrepresents it, and that there are many more others who only sees and believes the misrepresentation.
IN ADDITION:
#3: the HIJAB is a cultural thing. If one goes to South Asia (India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka & Nepal), they’ll see that most Muslim women do not wear the hijab (or covers their hair at all). In fact, some women in the Indian subcontinent wear what is deemed by others as “sexy” clothing (e.g. the saree which reveals the mid-section and sometimes parts of the shoulder, chest, cleavage, back and legs). Most Muslim women only covers their hair whilst praying and even then some hair may be shown. Some women choose not to cover their whilst praying at home with their family. Most use a scarf, shawl or pallu to cover their hair instead of a hijab. The forearm, neck, face and just below the knee doesn’t have to covered whilst praying. They can pray alongside men at home (instead of behind). Men [with short hair] doesn’t have to cover their hair [with a topee/taqiyah/tufi (skull cap)] whilst praying, but the rest of the body has to be no more revealing as the women.
http://www.tasveerghar.net/mstereo/Womangreen.jpg
#1: You forgot the sixth of The Ten Commandments – “Thou shall not kill”.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:59 am
@Moose:
I have to take offense as a person with a pair of eyes: http://www.churchofgodhalifax.org/newsletter-hitler-the-roman-catholic.htm
Or, better yet, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=catholic+nazi+germany+ratlines
@a state of ignorance:
Take a look at the first link above: (6) Hitler never renounced his Roman Catholicism; “I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so” he remarked to one of his generals, and his Church never excommunicated him.
While I agree with you that they are “bad Christians”, it’s the same with Islam. Pope and his “crew” have learned to wear golden robes and be discreet about their crimes. The only distinction between them and mafia is the fact that mafia doesn’t pretend to be morally superior.
Honestly, we could talk equally about Christianity and Islam for a very long time (I’m from an “extremist Catholic” country – Croatia – so I debate about it often), but frankly I don’t want to. They make me sick even more than any other religion in the world. This is my personal opinion. You may not like it, but I’m not trying to force it upon you (unlike religions).
July 10th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Hey there. This seems a timely list (as usual JF) given a few of the comments on the ‘Childrens Issues’ list a couple back. While I agree that the bias of this list was to promote Islam; and that an equally biased list could be made to ridicule it; I think the list at least enstablishes a common ground for open debate. There are many things we need to appreciate when trying to understand this issue. First of all; we don’t know everything. Secondly; people are free to make up their own minds. Thirdly; quotes from 2,000 year old books can be misconstrued either way, and that we have movied beyond some of those concepts. And finally; don’t believe the hype.
Thankfully – and this is a big plus for me – there have been quite a few commenters who can plainly see beyond government spin, social dogma and network propaganda, and on both sides of the field. (yes, this is going on on many sides). The game is information; and the information war is being won by the citizens. In that sense, the players on the field are playing for the same team. Humanity.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 am
You also forgot the HUR (black-haired, green-eyed virgins received when a person goes to heaven upon [last] Judgement Day. Many Muslims see it as a metaphor which describes how beautiful heaven is and not an accurate visual representation.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am
There is a new movie “The Stoning of Soraya M” that depicts the barbarism that women in that part of the world face. It is a true story of a woman who was falsely accused of adultery because her husband wanted to marry a 14 year old. I want to see it, but am afraid I won’t have the stomach.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 am
@ topdawg: please leave!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 am
How about we all just drop religion and call it a day.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 am
I bet this list will get 200 comments before lunchtime…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Why is it that everytime I come to this site, there’s always a bunch of idiots wasting their time trying to give advice or prove a point? You are all losers. This will be my last comment on this site because I choose to actually go outside and do something rather than site in here like you miserable disgraces to humanity.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:14 am
@ topdawg:
“little grasshopper”? You dont want to go there boy!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Interesting choice of list, The Duke Capone. Not sure that I agree with some of this list. It did have a one-sided feel to it.
Religion to me is a shield people use to justify their negative actions. Too much hate is allowed in the name of religion. “Mine is better than yours” attitude.
It didn’t take long before that came out in the comments here.
I have started to study about Islam to get a better understanding but find it and Christianity….tedious at best.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 am
@YourMomSaidHi (132): Do you mean my little picture? No..not gay. I’m a woman who is a yaoi fan. Hope that sorts you out.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
@topdawg: You’ve got some serious issues, kid. You might want to consider a psychiatrist before it’s too late.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
@132
I thought #128 was going to be your last comment?
xD
July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 am
@Lifeschool (114): Beautiful! Well said.
I was so pleased to see this list published here. The recent list about “Terrible Issues Facing Children Worldwide” from Rushfan inspired an incredible amount of debate about the Islamic faith. This list is a good place to open up the conversation, both ugly and inspired.
@The Duke Capone (49): Thank you for presenting this list. You obviously put a lot of effort into it.
To those who criticize this as being biased, I think that The Duke Capone was open to the negative side as well, as evidenced by this comment from list item #3, “And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law.”
Speaking of List #3, I understand that the photo of the woman in the bikini was most likely used to show a contrast to the usual image of women in burkas, but to my way of thinking I wouldn’t say that beauty contests are a true representation of woman’s rights. A more positive photo may have been to show a Muslim woman in business attire or at her studies in school. But I get it that the idea that she’s free to dress as she wishes might be a positive thing in comparison to severe restriction in choice.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 am
@Rushfan(77): Yeah, well stoning and beheading still occurs in Saudi Arabia and that’s one hell of an extremist country altogether, followers of Islam or not. All Muslims aren’t like them. Your tone however, suggests otherwise and that makes my blood boil, frankly. You write lists which move people, so spare some feelings, ayte?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:26 am
@ 140:
Hey dont use my name!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 am
@Travis (148): I know it’s not you nor me. Troll figured out how to use the change the nic on wordpress. That’s fine. He has been reported.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:31 am
DrakeS is right (#75 & 76), us Jews are terrible. As a Jew from the Anti-Semitic Order of self-loathers, I can honestly say we are just the worst. There is no denying it when you can quote some obscure, random passage from a FICTION novel written by one Jewish person in 1924. I especially love the way a three-line patchwork of out-of-context statements spans across pages 152, 155, and then back to page 147. DrakeS, thank you for enlightening us with your wisdom and far-superior intellectual insights; I think I speak for us all here at the List Universe when I say that your comments have made me just a little more betterer, both inside and out.
What a tool.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
No matter the age of puberty, marrying a 9 year old is still pedophilia, child molestation and abuse. SICK.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Interesting and well written list. However, most religions, including Islam and Christianity have been twisted and made to serve a bunch of jerks who want to bend the will of others to their rigid mindset. (Is that the same as wanting to control the world?)
The crusades did not just happen, the inquisitions did not just happen. The Beirut bombing did not just happen. 9-11 did not just happen. These all occurred because evil men wanted to to destroy and control others. The countries that practice rigid Sharia law treat women and children like animals, and there is NO justification for any of this.
The Quran is a great book, as is the bible, but it is the actions of men that are not great.
I am a militant agnostic: I don’t know, and either do you.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
“While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia.”
I’ve never posted here before, but this statement is just too ridiculous not to comment upon. Marrying a NINE-YEAR-OLD does *not* constitute pedophilia? The reasons given are: a.) she supposedly hit puberty, and b.) the culture at the time did not consider it pedophilia.
What a culture chooses to label something (or not label something, in this instance) is irrelevant; the man slept with a NINE-YEAR-OLD. I don’t care if she got her period, I don’t care if that culture (like countless others, including, of course, many non-Islamic cultures) is so f*cked-up that they think a grown man having sex with a NINE-YEAR-OLD is ok, the facts remain the same: she was NINE years old. If that doesn’t constitute pedophilia, I would hate to consder what does. Five years old? Four? Oh wait, as long as they’ve got their period it’s A-OK.
Political correctness can serve a lot of necessary purposes, but excusing pedophilia as simply “part of a culture, therefore it’s ok” should generally not be one of them.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:41 am
The comments on this list are just bizzare.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Sex with a nine year old is SICK!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Thank you soo Much for the List
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
well i was enjoying reading the comments before it turned into a really silly argument there at the end.
i think it’s important to remember that some of the verses to abrogate others, they were revealed at different times. God was instructing Muhammad while responding and reacting to the things that were going on around him at the same time. Hence the verses that call for peace and others that call for violent action. This not only applies to violence and self defense… there are contradicting verses about the use of alcohol as well.
i think the veil is widely seen as a horrific punishment and burden on women to people in the west but i’ve read articles by muslim women who say that it helps them feel more comfortable in public. they can walk down the street and men or would-be attackers can see that they are devout women and so leave them alone.
the qur’an doesn’t call for a burqa. it calls for the hair and bosom to be covered. we ask our girls in american public schools to cover their bosoms, right? and covering up in the desert sounds smart to me what with all the sand and sun.
i understand the sensitivity felt in the west when discussing islam but as others have said, it truly is a case of a few bad apples ruining it for the majority.
the hateful comments about muslims, jews and catholics are just unnecessary.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 am
@oouchan (154): Sure, I like tea.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Gimme a freakin break. Nice revisionism..
July 10th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Fantastic list. I myself never took the time to fully understand the islamic religion or community. I knew that not all of them were terrorists; just a small, small percentage. I mean, muslism are probably the most intolerated, prejudiced people in America today. The media has slandered and destroyed their peaceful image, and replaced it with violence and barbaric actions. Isn’t one of the first words learned is “Salam,” which means peace?
Definitely going to share this list, it’s eye-opening.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Let’s get an atheist list next. I’m dying for a good believer / non-believer debate.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:59 am
@What? (72): I stand by all my previous comments – I don’t consider myself fickle. But I do consider myself fair and this submitted list was well presented and interesting – thus I felt it worth publishing. In all fairness I do think that some items turn a blind eye to reality but I knew that the majority of comments here would balance things out in a good way (which has happened) because most of our commenters sre intelligent and objective.
Of all people I would have thought you would be pleased by this list – instead you merely wish to use it against me. That is unfortunate.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:01 am
THE AGE OF MARY, MOTHER OF JESUS, WAS 12 WHEN SHE MARRIED 90 YEAR OLD JOSEPH!! JOSEPH WAS FORTY WHEN HE MARRIED MELCHA(ESCHA), THEY LIVED FORTY NINE YEARS TOGETHER AND HAD 6 CHILDREN… AFTERWARDS HE WOULD MARRY MARY!
HOW CAN A CHRISTIAN SLANDER PROPHET MUHAMMED AFTER READING THE ABOVE??
WE ALL HAVE TO LEARN TO STOP JUDGING EVERYTHING BY MODERN STANDARDS!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 am
excerpts from the “peaceful” religion (Quran)
ANNOUNCE PAINFUL PUNISHMENT TO THOSE WHO DISBELIEVE (9:3)
O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred… (8:65)
Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve (8:55)
The Quran in Sura 2:228 says:
. . . Wives have the same rights as the husbands have on them in accordance with the generally known principles. Of course, men are a degree above them in status . . .
NICE!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:03 am
@jfrater (169): Glad you popped in. I wasn’t going to dignify What?’s post. What a way to turn it against you.
BTW…are you going to remove the troll’s comments above? The ones he hijacked our names for?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:05 am
i think i got all the different religions mixed up… but i’m sure some of those misconceptions are correct in other religions, just can’t remember what, i’d appreciate if you told me where the misconceptions came from =)
July 10th, 2009 at 7:06 am
@Moose (82): I absolutely will be writing a list of misconceptions about the Catholic Church
rest assured
July 10th, 2009 at 7:07 am
@mastermind357: Haven´t heard that before? Please could you give me some historical evidence for your comment or are you just another troll that seem to be littering these comments. Sorry if your not.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Didn’t take long for the comments to devolve into a bunch of monkeys on a keyboard did it?
That said:
@Nicosia (121):
A woman from work just saw that and was talking about it. She said it is violent, but wonderfully done. Her husband also works with us and is pretty quiet and reserved and she said he couldn’t stop talking about it for hours after. I’m interested in seeing it. I’ll let you know if I do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:10 am
@ Jfrater:
I agree with oouchan (172), someone used our names to say stupid things!! Those comments should be removed! I didnt write comments 140, 147, 150!!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Rushfan: Not everywhere, a common mistake. There are progressive Muslim countries too, where stoning is not a way of life. Much of what is considered religious stupidity is no such thing – it’s just stupidity. How’s about Penis curses? and killing of Albino’s in Africa? It’s ignorance disguised as Religion that causes the grief. My personal experience with Muslims has been uniformly wonderful. Because of course these folks aren’t ignorant – they know better. It’ll come. Also Rushy it depends where you live eh? Ask some of the Jehova’s Witnesses how much personal freedom they have. And the crap that their women are supposed to put up with or turn the other cheek to? Also pretty sure that it wasn’t Muslims that killed 6 million people not that long ago. Muslims do not corner the market in barbarism.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Every religion has shed blood because every religion believes that they’re right and the rest of the world must join them or be terminated. Is there another name we can give to the extreme-Islamists who beat their women, take away their rights, cover them head to toe, and kill infidels other than Islam/Muslims? Then the “good” Muslims can be happy, and the extremists can meet in a conference center to come up with a new name, and then we can bomb it?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I really enjoyed this list. My brother recently converted to Islam and the rest of my family (all christians) quoted many of these misconceptions to try to divert him. It’s opened my eyes and hopefully will do the same to my family.
Thanks again!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:26 am
This is bullshit. Go visit Iran and then go on about women’s rights, forced marriages, etc. Go to Saudi-Arabia and see what you get for abandoning Islamic faith. Homosexuals? Adulters? STONE THE MOTHERFUCKERS. TO DEATH. THAT IS ISLAM, FUCK YEAH!
And those people who say: “It is the acts of a minority that make the majority of Muslims look bad.” Bullshit. Why doesn’t the majority of those peaceful Muslims take any action? The fundamentalists are the ones who voice their opinions and in general are the ones ruling islamic countries.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Another misconception:
Muslims and Sikhs are NOT the same religion. In fact a Sikh was shot after 9/11 in a hate crime because it was thought he was muslim because of the turbin and beard. Different religeons
July 10th, 2009 at 7:33 am
troll comments are gone. Quoted comment numbers will be out of sync now sorry – but better that than some of the vitriolic junk that was being spewed!
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Wooly – only if you can find a way to do the same thing with bad Christians and bad Jewish folks and bad secular folks.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
NORMAN: I cant find the exact link but u can find it on this link….
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7567922/10-Easy-Steps-Refuting-Slander-Against-Prophet-Muhammed-pbuh-Marriage-to-Aisha
July 10th, 2009 at 7:35 am
LMAO,,,, muslims are worse,,, no christians are worse,,, both of them suck and use their religion for terrible purposes and i’m not talking historicly i’m talkin about right now,,,, Yes SOME muslims use islam to gather terrorist but jeez christians use their religion to control everyones lives you hear way more about christians trying to control things than muslims i,e, abortion, gay marriage, what ever happened to seperation of church and state???
July 10th, 2009 at 7:36 am
PROOFS FOR COMMENT 134!!!!!
http://www.scribd.com/doc/7567922/10-Easy-Steps-Refuting-Slander-Against-Prophet-Muhammed-pbuh-Marriage-to-Aisha
July 10th, 2009 at 7:38 am
i like my religion better we believe its wrong to judge someone for what they believe in and just be happy they found their way to god
July 10th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Matermind – Please stop yelling. Calm reasoned discourse ftw! OK?
It is unfortunate that these folks aren’t a little more vocal/publicized/in the spot light. We mightn’t need a list like this if that was the case.
http://www.centerforinquiry.net/isis/blog/post/SI_Blog/21/The-St-Petersburg-Declaration
July 10th, 2009 at 7:49 am
@jfrater (147): Yay! Thank you. I feel much better…felt kinda dirty that he was using my name, and I know Travis felt the same. Thanks.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:51 am
@jfrater (147): You missed number 117. That wasn’t me either.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:53 am
MOM424: HOW CAN YOU “YELL” ON A COMPUTER. WE MIGHT NOT EVEN BE ON THE SAME CONTINENT BUT YOU SAY I AM YELLING, R U SERIOUS? LOL. IT’S CALLED CAPS LOCK–I THINK YOU HAVE SOME TYPE OF OCD IF IT IS BOTHERING YOU THAT MUCH LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
mom424: I will refrain from caps lock if it makes you happier… why??? because that is the “islamic” thing to do.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Thank you for this list. As a Christian living in the Bible Belt, I hear much of the negative views of Islam, and it saddens me that people seek out to destroy what they don’t understand. It would irritate me if the entire world were to view Christianity by only seeing footage of an extremist such as David Koresh, so I do believe that the majority of Muslims aren’t extreme and deserve to worship in their own way.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
It’s entirely irritating mastermind357. Please refrain. and do remember I have earned the flashy colour my posts appear with. Please take the time to read our posting faq – http://listverse.com/comment-faq/ – specifically item 8.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:02 am
mom424: ok….. never knew that it offended people, thats my fault.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:05 am
What about the Islamic judge who just ruled it OK to beat your wife if she spends your money?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:08 am
mastermind357: No problem, apologies accepted. Besides if you want people to actually pay attention to your comments (at least people who read and think – the only ones that matter imo) and give them any weight whatsoever, it is best not to offend them – unless of course you’re Randall.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Where is the feedback from the people who hate islam???
the age of mary, mother of jesus, was 12 when she married 90 year old joseph!! joseph was forty when he married melcha(escha), they lived forty nine years together and had 6 children… afterwards he would marry mary!
how can a christian slander prophet muhammed after reading the above??
we all have to learn to stop judging everything by modern standards!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:09 am
JJ (150)- Christians do not control abortion or gay marriage. And when a vote is put upon the issues, I will vote for them, even though I am a Christian. But I’m also an American, so I think people should be free to pursue their own happiness. That is where separation of church and state come in…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:14 am
What about the Islamic judge who just ruled it OK to beat your wife if she spends your money?
last time I checked an islamic judge doesn’t represent a entire religion consisting of about 2 billion followers.
what about the southern christian judges who acquitted numerous kkk members when they lynched and terrorized blacks?
cant blame that on christians or muslims genius.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Interesting article. It is a pity that it contains so many factual errors. Let’s look at a few:
“Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
Perhaps someone could point me to some ancient souce that records anything of the kind, prior to the Moslems attacking the rest of the world, and seizing Palestine, Syria and Egypt? As far as I know, the Christians paid NO ATTENTION to Islam until the Moslems attacked them.
“‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name.”
That’s because the Arabic language doesn’t contain another word. But the Arabic-speaking Christians do NOT call God “Allah.” In J.H.Watson’s book, “Among the Copts” is an interview where he asks a Coptic bishop precisely this question; do you worship the same God? He indignantly denies it. Then, switching to *English*, says “I am not a Moslem”. He has to say this in English, because the Arabic language is so hard-wired to Islam that to say the same in Arabic would be equivalent to saying “I am godless.”
“All Muslims are Arabs”.
I doubt this is a “common misconception,” if only because of the number of Pakistani Moslems around.
As for Arabs who are Christians… do they call themselves “Arabs”? The Copts do not, even though they speak Arabic. Again, see Watson on this.
“However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God.”
This extended to smashing up his tomb in Jerusalem during the middle ages.
“Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths.”
A look at the History of the Patriarchs of the Coptic Church of Alexandria will show how sickening this falsehood is. Look at part 2 of the biography of Cyril ibn Laqlaq (online) for a long and detailed account of how the Copts were discriminated against and persecuted; and this under a tolerant Moslem government which they supported fairly enthusiastically.
“There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities.”
Which makes it curious, then, how many mosques were and are churches seized by Moslems. We might point to Hagia Sophia, for instance, or the Italian cathedral in Tripoli today.
Omar also imposed a special tax on all non-Moslems. Curious that this was not mentioned. He didn’t “create special courts for non-Moslems”; he created courts for Moslems, in which the testimony of Moslems would always trump that of non-believers. Again, if you look at the accounts in the contemporary History of the Patriarchs, repeatedly there are examples of how Copts convert to Islam in order to obtain legal advantage.
We might ask how Omar became ruler of Jerusalem. He captured it by violence, of course, from the Christians. It is depressing to see this elided in the smooth words “was ruler”.
“Jihad means to fight for the sake of god…. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are … and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword)”.
Indeed so.
“During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army”
He also executed numbers of their leaders and marched most of them off into slavery.
“There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive.”
Such an opinion could hardly be stated in Saudi Arabia, so this is not a mainstream Moslem view.
“There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam.”
Islam was certainly spread by violence, and Moslems still use violence to obtain their demands, which include the advancement of Islam. The wording here is somewhat disingenuous, it seems to me. The first Moslems did not try to convert the people they conquered; they just plundered them, set them up as legally inferior, and allowed time and discrimination to do the rest.
Perhaps we might reflect that Moslems never allow Moslems to convert to Christianity. In Egypt today it is illegal, and those who do so do it at the risk of their lives. The sword as an emblem of Islam is entirely justified.
“Muslims are terrorists; This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives.”
I can’t hear you over the sound of suicide bombing.
“Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention”
… and other Moslems do not condemn them, and indeed take advantage of this to make further demands, proffer threats of “action”, and so on. The idea that the media discriminates against Islam is curious; political correctness stifles criticism of Islam. If Moslems were not engaged in terror activities all the time, so incessant and so general that even the PC lot cannot deny it — it’s hard to deny it when the bombs are going off on TV before everyone’s eyes — they would never be mentioned negatively at all.
Moslems, it would seem, want to have their cake and eat it too.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Much of these you learn playing Assassin’s Creed! LOL!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:18 am
FBI Most wanted terrorists list:
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/fugitives.htm
22 out of the 24 in the list are Muslims. you can understand how peaceful that religion is…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:20 am
@OsvaL (166): That is my favorite game! Which is what got me interested in learning a little more about the area and religion. Funny how that works.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:23 am
@ mom424/jfrater: Found another one…117 Moonbeam. That’s not from him/her either.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:24 am
rpearse try to break up your questions into smaller comments, most people are not going to read that. I’ll answer one question per post.
“‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name.”
that is definitely true, any christian arab will verify this, hands down! go to google translate and type in God and translate it into arabic, it is Allah. pick up a gideons bible where they have different names of God in different languages.
“almost” everything you say about islam was was at “one time” used by Christianity. However, “popes”, clergy, and the church in general changed things over centuries…
July 10th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Mike, whats the bigger number, 22 or 1.8 billion? damn, i should have paid attention in math more.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Just got home, when I read the title I thought to myself the s–t is going to hit the fan with this list, but its been pretty average ( excluding a few outbursts )UP UNTIL NOW.
I bet this list hits 220 +
July 10th, 2009 at 8:32 am
rpearse if you have all the questions, answer this. Jesus spoke aramiac right, how is the word God pronounced in aramiac?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:37 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65zyICBKBPI
A jewish perspective ^^
July 10th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Fundamentalists in any religion or ideology are bad, no matter what.
It’s always a few nutcases and psychos who make the rest of us, Christian, Muslim, or whatever, look bad.
Churchill said it best,
“A fanatic is someone who won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject.”
July 10th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I’m through here. What a load of tripe.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Just thought I’d throw this out here, how many of you actually think a terrorist is right in the head and shares the same beliefs as someone who is of perfect mental health? Point is, an insane Muslim is not going to be the same as a regular Muslim.
Also, I’ve known two people who had close ties to Islam (one was a Muslim, the other’s father was Muslim) and I’ve always heard that terrorists are in the small minority.
Basically, you can’t classify an entire religion with 10 guidelines. People are different, get over it.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
You really cant justify having sex with a 9 year old. And I think there is something weird about worshiping a pedophile, just my 2 cents.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:06 am
General Tits Von Chodehoffen: Let me guess, your an atheist right? lol
July 10th, 2009 at 9:11 am
@162, who said: “the age of mary, mother of jesus, was 12 when she married 90 year old joseph!! joseph was forty when he married melcha(escha), they lived forty nine years together and had 6 children… afterwards he would marry mary!”
Could you please produce your sources for this? Last time I checked, nowhere in the New Testament is the age of either Mary or Joseph mentioned or hinted. And that goes for any of those 6 children you state so vehemently that Joseph had.
PAC
PS: And, as I have said before, I’m an atheist. As a matter of fact, I do not believe that there was a christ, a Mary or a Joseph; much less that they were 12 and 90, and that he had 6 children before marrying her.
On the other hand, there are sound historic records indicating that there was a Muhammad, and that he indeed did marry a 6 years old girl and had sex with her when she turned 9. Furthermore, presently there are Muslim clerics who, using Muhammad as an example of what Allah allows, preach that it is ok for any Muslim man to marry a 9 years old girl.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I hope alot of muslims read this list and learn a bit about there own religion. I’ve been to Iraq and Afghanistan lost alot of good friends and from my personal experiances these aren’t misconceptions but truth
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Thanks for publishing this artical, it was very informational and taught me a lot about the Muslim religion. Coming from the Bible Belt I heard these misconceptions on almost a daily basis.
The only one I had never heard was about Muhammud being a pedophile – but I suppose that would be because Christian’s can’t condemn pedophilia when so many of the woman in the Bible were married at puberty.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Actually, he’s an atheist second, he’s an idiot first.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:14 am
well, technically wasn’t God a pedophile too?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I am open mined…..but this list is the most ignorant compilation of Islam facts I have ever seen. Absolutely insane! I’m done with listverse. I would have been happy had there been some sources backing up some of these claims, but no way. Not even close. Completely inaccurate! I lived in Afghanistan for a short period. I NEVER saw a young Muslim girl being encouraged to pursue an education. Not one! Don’t even get me started on all of the other stupid, yes, I mean really stupid statements made on this list. If anyone has ever lived in a Muslim country, one would know much more intimately that most, if not all, of what is stated in this list is completely and utterly fabricated.
I’m through with this site!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Assassins Creed was the bomb!!! I ended up reading all about the crusades and a heap of rulers I’ve never even heard of before!!!
There’s always gonna be religion wars isn’t there? Why can’t you all just get over yourselves for one day…
July 10th, 2009 at 9:19 am
pac: These accounts are summed up in the Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 edition, which is available online, as follows:
“They lived forty-nine years together and had six children … A year after his wife’s death, as the priests announced through Judea that they wished to find in the tribe of Juda a respectable man to espouse Mary, then twelve to fourteen years of age, Joseph, who was at the time ninety years old, went up to Jerusalem among the candidates; a miracle manifested the choice God had made of Joseph …”
And the Catholic Encyclopedia is a source apparently since they have changed things in the bible over centuries to support their causes such as saying what books should be allowed to be in the bible.
As far a being an atheist, lets say that there is no God, worst case scenerio is when we die, we just die, there is no afterlife, however, if there is a God, ur assed out, give urself a chance genius!! Life is short, u’ll be dead b4 u know it, why is it so hard to join a religion and give urself a chance 4 the short period of time we have on this earth.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
also pac, here’s a source…
The Infancy Gospel of James, Chapter 8 verse 2 to Chapter 9 verse 11
“When she [Mary] turned twelve, a group of priests took counsel together, saying, ‘Look, Mary has been in the temple of the Lord twelve years. What should we do about her now, so that she does not defile the sanctuary of the Lord our God?’ And they said to the high priest, ‘You have stood at the altar of the Lord. Go in and pray about her. And if the Lord God reveals anything to you, we will do it.’ And the priest went in taking the vestment with twelve bells into the holy of holies and prayed about her. Suddenly, an angel of the Lord stood before him, saying, ‘Zachariah, Zachariah, depart from here and gather the widowers of the people and let each one carry a staff. And the one whom the Lord God points out with a sign, she will be his wife.’ So the heralds went out to the whole surrounding area of Judea and the trumpet of the Lord rang out and all the men rushed in.
Throwing down his axe, Joseph went out to meet them. And after they had gathered together with their rods, they went to the high priest. After receiving everyone’s rod, the high priest went into the temple and prayed. When he was finished with the prayer, he took the rods and went out and gave them to each man, but there was no sign among them. Finally, Joseph took his rod. Suddenly, a dove came out of the rod and stood on Joseph’s head. And the high priest said, ‘Joseph! Joseph! You have been chosen by lot to take the virgin into your own keeping.’ And Joseph replied, saying, ‘I have sons and am old, while she is young. I will not be ridiculed among the children of Israel.’ And the high priest said, ‘Joseph, fear the Lord your God and remember what God did to Dathan and Abiron and Kore, how the earth split open and swallowed them because of their rebellion. Now fear God, Joseph, so that these things do not happen in your house.’ Fearing God, Joseph took her into his own possession.”
Who’s to say what books should be included and which ones shouldnt in the bible? At one point people believed and read the books that we dont see in the bible’s today!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:25 am
backwoods bob: ur through with this site?? Good!! We wont miss u, u act like it hurts people that your leaving… don’t make a speech, just shut up and leave! Goodbye.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
a religion is always judged by its zealots. especially when the zealots break their own rules.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:38 am
No, no misconception, Muhammad didn’t marry a 9 year old girl, he married a 6 year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9 years old. That is according to the most reliable Islamic hadiths, and told by that same 9 year old girl as an adult.
Narrated ‘Aisha:
Sahih Bukhari
book 62 volume 64
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
For everyone who has a problem with number 5 on the list, what was the biblical age that women or girls were allowed to marry?? And please show your proof!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
I didn’t even know there were these many misconceptions about Islam ( actually I think many of misconceptions listed here are stupid ), but that’s maybe because I am a Muslim myself.
The picture in No.3 gives a false image of Islam. Women are technically not allowed to wear bikinis (or take part in such competitions that go against Islamic rules of modesty). BTW, this doesn’t mean that women are being denied their rights, actually, Islam also has a dress code for men. And yeah, its a misconception that women must wear the “head to toe hijab”. But then, there are so many branches of Islam that these rules differ from sect to sect, and some sects are actually pretty strict.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:44 am
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,531405,00.html
MOGADISHU, Somalia — Somali Islamist insurgent fighters beheaded seven people accused of abandoning their religion and of espionage, residents said Friday, in the largest mass execution since the Islamists were chased from power two and a half years ago.
Amazing how these completely atypical, rare and unrepresentative acts keep happening, again and again. Remarkable, George Bush’s power to force Islamists to do things that are completely out of character for them, even after he’s out of power.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:45 am
This is the first time for me to post in my favourite site.
Thank you for the long awaited topic.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:48 am
What you conveniently left out on that same page Mastermind357 when quoting the Catholic Encyclopedia was that these writings are considered apocryphal literature, and not considered realizable or trust worthy.
Catholic Encyclopedia on Mary and Joseph’s age.
apocryphal literature is full of details, the non-admittance of these works into the Canon of the Sacred Books casts a strong suspicion upon their contents; and, even granted that some of the facts recorded by them may be founded on trustworthy traditions, it is in most instances next to impossible to discern and sift these particles of true history from the fancies with which they are associated.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Quite frankly this is the most egregiously white washed article about Islam in recent memory.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
rick: by who’s standards are they not trustworthy? Why does the catholic bible have more books than the protestant bible? MEN not GOD decided which books will be in the bible. who says the one i quoted is not a reliable source? Its a interesting question…
July 10th, 2009 at 9:51 am
A rotten apple remains a rotten apple, no matter how many times you rebrand it! the fruits of islam is all there for all to see.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am
An excellently informative list, thank you for posting it.
I think the most important point of all, and this has to do with all religions, not just Islam or Christianity, is that at their core the basis, the main reason for their existence, is to honor god.
They can all call god by different names, but, as Shakespeare said, “A rose by any other name would smell as sweet”, and it’s surprising how closely the core beliefs of so many religions are to one another. It’s as if humans are programmed to treat each other in a certain way, and because the feeling is so overpowering it is suggestive of a higher power ordering them.
Or it could be something completely different (to paraphrase John Cleese).
The basis is that if followed correctly, the world’s religions would make sure we all lived together in harmony rather than in discord.
Just my 2¢
July 10th, 2009 at 9:52 am
@backwoods bob # 185 – good bye I hope the path you will follow through life will be littered with thorns.
This is a magic site where people bond and comment why did you comment in the first place if you thought some of the comments are INSANE !
Walk bare foot
July 10th, 2009 at 9:53 am
To people who are quoting sayings of prophet Muhammad, the problem is that these all sayings have been passed along through generations (before they were properly recorded) and people believe some and reject others. I’ve even heard that Aisha was eleven or thirteen when she was married.
On a side note, it’s a shame that we all fight over our religion and preach it to others, and then the next day we ourselves go against it. Many of my friends fast in the month of Ramazan, and when Ramazan ends, they go on their daily schedule of cursing, watching porn, and doing other things that Islam prohibits.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:54 am
“rick: by who’s standards are they not trustworthy?”
LOL, well, by the Catholics themselves, since it comes from their own Encyclopedia, Mastermind.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:59 am
@mastermind
The Catholic Encyclopedia clearly states now (forget 1913) that the information you have put above is apocryphal. You are putting forward information with no historical foundation against the historical facts of Muhammad marrying a 6 years old girl.
Whilst I agree with you that the selection of which books were to be included in the canon and which should be rejected was subjective at best, it does not relate to the point we are discussing.
I’ve said “there are historic facts regarding Muhammad and Aisha”.
You’ve said “there are stories, which are not accepted nor historic (but who has a right to decide that!?), that state that Joseph and Mary were no better”.
In sum, you are countering facts with fairy tales. Why, Jesus in those books made birds from clay, killed child friends, and even is presented as having a VERY close relationship with a young follower. Should we accept all of these stories as fact too?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Mastermind, why do you think Allah forbade so many, common and normal, behaviors of the era back then. For example why did Allah forbid alcohol consumption? It was considered normal and common behavior back then. Why did Allah make drinking alcohol haram, but not his prophet having sex with 9year old children? Since Allah was so busy telling his followers what was permissible and what was not, why not stop the despicable act of old men having sex with children?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:02 am
i live in uk, am white non religous and. been in a relationship with a bangledeshi muslim girl for 6 years.
all the comments that relate to modern society, womens rights childrens rights, religous intolerance are in general utter rubbish.muslim society in uk is insular and run by the male religous leaders. forced marrage of girls by means of kidnapping back to the parents or grandparents village is common. i could go on there is so much wrong with muslim society in the uk.
never been tempted to comment before but this list so 50% popaganda and lies
July 10th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Rick: we can have debate this all day, but at the end of the day, there is not ONE Bible, that we can point to and say, this is correct. We have to many Bibles and too many sects to say what should be accepted and what shouldn’t.
Pac: i understand ur point of view but as far as u saying should we accept all those stories as fact too, who knows? we cant distinguish which is true and which is false. why, in two different gospels in the new testament jesus acted different when he was about to be crucified, who knows which one to believe, the jesus who cried, why have u forsaken me, or the jesus who accepted it proudly without any crying out.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I have several exemples of modern time tolerance towards non-muslim religions in muslim countries such as Turkey (the orthodox patriarch is still in Istanbul, thats like having the pope living in a muslim country for catholics) Indonesia where christians, muslims, boudhists and hindus live sometimes in the same village.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
This list is nonsense. Islam, just like Judaism and Christianity have such amazing contradictions in their respective bibles that you can find justification for anything. This is how honest, peaceful, non-violent people can be religious as well as lying, rage-filled, psychopaths can also be religious. Each can pick and choose various passages from their bibles to justify whatever actions they pursue.
Yes, Islam is a very peaceful and humanitarian religion if that is what you want to take from it. But the other side is also available to the crazy people that seek it.
“Cast terror into the hearts of those who are bent on denying the truth; strike, then, their necks!” Koran 8:12
God proclaims “I will make my arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh” Deuteronomy 32:42
July 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Though this is a fairly interesting list, there are a few cut and dry rules of shari’a that are actually quite shocking. While women in theory do have rights, their word is inadmissable in court if not approved by their man, and even if it is ‘the word of a woman is worth one half the word of a man’. Women DO need permission to interact with other men and to leave the privacy of the home. While many moderate Muslims do not practice these freakish laws, to strictly adhere to the Qur’an the rules are quite stringent and dehumanizing. Also, while it says that Islam preaches tolerance of others and other religions, it specifically says that Non-Muslims are to be treated as inferior citizens again whose word is not admissable in court, who cannot take a Muslim Partner, cannot buy Muslim land or property, and whose women cannot get educations. Fairness my ass
July 10th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Rick: im not understanding the question, what are u getting at?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:16 am
sooo many comments already!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Nuthin’ wrong with Islam. However, many Muslims scare me ( a left-leaning social liberal ) with their thoughts about homosexuality, and the like.
I’m scared of Muslims not because I’m a right-wing, bible-thumpin’ redneck but because I think Islam poses the greatest threat to civil liberties that have been fought for so hard over the past decades.
Like most things I guess, like the idea don’t like its followers
July 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Mastermind I’ve already shown you that you info on the age of Mary and Joseph are considered unreliable by the same source you quoted so it hasn’t anything to do with Bibles or Sects. Show me anywhere else that shows the age of Mary and Joseph at the time of their marriage?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:19 am
“Rick: im not understanding the question, what are u getting at?”
Which question is that Mastermind?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:20 am
@207 mastermind
Yes, there are different versions, and in all of them the text is contradictory. That’s why I say that the simplest answer is that everything in the bible is just made-believe; so do not use the bible, or the apocrypha, to counter the facts discussed in this post, please. It is not about the bible or whether it is fact or fiction; it is about “misconceptions” about Islam. I have participated here using Muslim, not Christian, sources. You are trying to say that it is OK because others did it. That is not the discussion here, specially if you are countering with non-historic stories.
Pac
PS: about that tidbit about finding a religion lest I find that I was wrong when I’m dead. Pascal wager, you say? Sorry, but that argument is so passé. You need to look for better ones. Thanks for trying, anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:22 am
@brianbcn (20): Most if not all religions are intolerant of other religions. There is something fundamentally bothersome to religious people that if you don’t believe in the God they believe in, then you are right and they are wrong. That’s intolerance.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:24 am
While this article displays accurate truths about Islam the religion, it misses the point on Islam the ideology, and tries to whitewash both. While all religions have a fundamentalist side to them, most have become significantly depoliticized, and religion as a key identity has been, for the most part, surpassed by nationality or ethnicity. However, in recent years, Islam the political system has emerged, and combines fundamentalism with fascism in forms of terror and war not seen since WWII. The Islamic political ideology (using Islam as a replacement for ethnic or national identity) is a supremacist belief system that lacks many of the more tolerant or rational characteristics of the faith itself, and in almost all cases, is extremely violent and destructive.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:25 am
“Nuthin’ wrong with Islam. However, many Muslims scare me ( a left-leaning social liberal ) with their thoughts about homosexuality, and the like. ”
Yup, if you are of that persuasion you might find yourself swinging from a boom crane or tossed of the top of a roof.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Rick: so basically anything that the catholic church considers unreliable means that it really is unreliable? Muslims believe that the bible was corrupted b/c it keeps being changed and books etc keeps getting added and taken away. Even if they mary n joseph didnt marry at that age, can u tell me the “biblical” age that women were to get married, it 4 damn sure wasnt 16 or 18. Bottom line is i was trying to prove to people that Prophet Muhammad taking himself to a 9 year old girl was the norm. We are living centuries after so things are different. i was really proving to “christians” that the “biblical” most likely corresponds with marriage younger than what we see today.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
@mastermind357 (207): Doesn’t that negate the premise that there is an all-seeing, all-knowing God up in heaven and the bible(s) are the inspired words of God? Wouldn’t that show the various bibles to be works of man, filled with errors and misconceptions and re-tellings of centuries old stories that are not at all relevant in today’s global society?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:27 am
^^”biblical marriages” ^^ is what i meant to write above
July 10th, 2009 at 10:28 am
In academia, religion is to be judged by its ideology.
In real life, religion is to be judged by its practice.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am
thanx for clarifying these things for Non-Muslims
July 10th, 2009 at 10:29 am
faketree78: thats why why Allah promised muslim’s that the Qur’an would never be changed… The Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
“While this article displays accurate truths about Islam the religion”
Well, according to Sahih Bukhari one of the most reliable collection of Hadiths and also many examples in the Islamic world this article isn’t totally accurate when it comes to what are considered, misconceptions.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Pac: We all know u cant debate with a atheist, just like u cant debate with a suicide bomber lol. U have nothing to live 4.
Rick: we will be debating all day, lol. It was fun.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Listverse, you have redeemed yourself. This is a fantastic list, very nice.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:37 am
“Rick: so basically anything that the catholic church considers unreliable means that it really is unreliable? ”
Whew! NO, it’s considered unreliable by the Catholic church the very same source you were using to show their ages. That’s not hard to understand. Is it?
And as for your claim that old men having sex with 9 year old children being normal, I don’t believe it was all that common.
Also, for the sake of argument lets say pedophilia was common in that time period. Why do you think Allah who came along and deemed so many common practices of that time period wrong? Like for example Allah banned the consumption of alcohol as bad even though it too was common practice. Why do you think Allah never told his prophet that sex with 9 year old children was bad also?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I think that you need to change this sentence in your introduction:
“Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.”
The whole point of your list is to negate what has been generalized by others as “common fact”, and yet you have generalized what you perceive to be “Christian thinking” about Islam, which is exactly what you are trying to disprove, no?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
apparently Rick, Allah didnt think marrying a 9 year old girl was wrong. And who says getting married at 16 with the consent of a parent in usa is right? Y should the age be 21? Age is just something a country chooses what is right or not, as far as marriage. I just want you to answer what is the “biblical” age that woment get married??
July 10th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I think many people are forgetting that the main violence being perpetuated against, and from Muslims, are from the Taliban. Many Islamic countries are fighting for the rights of their girls to go to school while the Taliban are trying to destroy those rights.
Today, in many Islamic countries, the people of other religions are paying a religious tax in order to follow their own beliefs. In America, we harassed the Muslims and their businesses. There were several news stories about it after 9/11.
Every religion has their extremists. It doesn’t mean everyone in that religion thinks the same way. I don’t bomb abortion clinics or beat up any LGBT. Do you?
In early times, it was not uncommon at all for young girls to be married to older men. Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin. Does anyone remember the pictures of a naked Brooke Shields as a child? Child pornography laws are a very recent thing.
Yes there are many bad things in Muslim countries. But we need to look in the mirror first before we go around acting so smug and superior.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Mastermind, do you not think there is an incredible differnce in the phyiscal and mental development between a 9 year old, and a 16 year old. Are you acutally trying to compare the two?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
I just want you to answer what is the “biblical” age that woment get married??
I don’t know what the biblical age was? What does that matter anyhow? Many historical practices were loathsome during history. Like cannibalism for example, but society has evolved passed some primitive practices. Just because at some time in history some cultures practiced it doesn’t mean it was right. That’s what all knowing Deities are suppose to do….guide there followers away form wicked behavior. Right?
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Rick: lol, 16 was an example chose any age u wasnt. 5, 10, 8, im asking u what was the “biblical” age for marriage.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:52 am
@mastermind357 (225): You should add ‘anymore’ to the end of that sentence. The Christian bible hasn’t changed in about 1200 years. But the 800 years before that it was changed and edited like the dickens. So was the Koran. That’s not very Godly.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
hmm…
its so interesting for me to read all comment in this list.
thanks for the list.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Rick: this conversation is going nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:55 am
@236
how did you know Koran was edited as well as bible??
July 10th, 2009 at 10:56 am
faketree78: the christian bible hasn’t changed in 1200 years lmao, u dont even deserve proof. pick up a book! Where was the Qur’an changed? People recite chapters from the quran 5 times a day in the same language. change???
July 10th, 2009 at 10:58 am
“im asking u what was the “biblical” age for marriage.”
I don’t know, why don’t you post some authoritative studies of the normal age of “men” and women. And if at one time it was done just like cannibalism that still doesn’t make it right.
Why don’t you show me lots of examples of old men marrying 9 year old little girls, Mastermind. Make a list and I’ll review it. If the practice was so common there should be hundreds of examples to show. And when you post your list (if you can) I will condemn every old man on that list as a vile pedophile regardless of religon, creed, country time period.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Rick: ok Rick u win, its over, the conversation is going nowhere.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:02 am
LOL, of course.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 am
rick: we have to agree to disagree on this one, it was a spirited debate with any name calling..
one last question Rick? if u were president, what age would u make it for men and women to be able to marry? just wondering.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:07 am
You can condemn someone all you like, that doesn’t make it wrong or you right. At the time marrying a nine year old wasn’t seen as wrong and therefore it can’t be taken as a horrible act unless you compare it to todays standards. Its not fair to use today’s moral and ethical codes to something that happened so long ago with a different set of laws. It wasn’t seen as wrong then, and therefore wasn’t.
If done today, obviously it would be different since we have a different set of codes now.
How can you condemn someone of a wrongdoing when they don’t realize that its wrong?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
If i were President, I would set the legal age to marry at 18 years old, and say 16 with both parent’s consent.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
245 Zimmers:
U hit the nail right on the head, there is nothing more to be said…
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@227 mastermind
Let me guess: you are a Muslim.
“thats why why Allah promised muslim’s that the Qur’an would never be changed… The Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed.”
Well from an atheist to a believer: get your facts right! How and when did Allah promise that? If it was through Muhammad, as I guess you might answer, then there is a problem with your statement. You see, the Qu’ran was not a book until after he had died in 632 AD. Prior to that it was recorded in a number of tablets, bones and the wide, flat ends of date palm fronds. It was only after he died when it was compiled into a book.
BUT, and here is the interesting point, in 650 AD the third caliph Uthman ibn Affan ordered the preparation of an official, standardized version. Why would he order that if the Qur’an is supposed to be the final revealed book that will never be changed?
Well, they had to decide which of all the Qu’ran versions that were around in the Muslim world were the real thing, and which ones were not. So they went over the different texts in the different versions deciding what to keep and what to discard, which is akin to what Christians did with the bible.
After an standardized, official version was completed, the other non-standard copies already in the hands of Muslims in other areas were collected and sent to Medina where, on orders of the Caliph, were destroyed by burning or boiling. Nevertheless, in 1972 a version of the Qu’ran was found in Yemen that has some variations on it; minor variations, but variations all the same.
So, in view of all of the above, where does that leave Allah’s promise not to change the Qu’ran? And doesn’t that negate the premise that there is an all-seeing, all-knowing Allah up in heaven and the Qu’ran(s) is the inspired words of Allah?
By the way, the Qu’ran is also full of contradictions and errors; the Caliph or Allah himself should have edited it better prior to final publication.
Pac
PS: As for me not having anything to live for. Do you know me? Do you know what I do, where or how? Tsk, tsk. You get your behind whipped with facts, and resort to striking back with unfounded, impolite comments. Way to go, believer! I guess your faith has taught you a lot.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@Eyeswideshut (90):
For once you get an historical evidence that there ever existed a temple there before Babri.Secondly even if there was, the demoliton was done purposefully to hurt the sentiments on the minority and the culprits of it are proud of it.Thats the difference. If you mind then please go and visit Gujarat where innumerable Mosques are being demolished but mind you no voice is being raised there coz it is being done by the consent of the locals so as to widen the roads there and facilitate easy transportation.
For Kashmir well the less India talks about it the better. The Amarnath yatra is performed ONCE in a year so why do you need a land for it? Muslims go to Haj but do they say to the Saudi Gvt that alott a piece of land to us coz we are pilgrims!
Just as you are asking the Muslims to show tolerance towards the Hindus, the vice versa also should stands valid! For the pluralistic society that every India bargs about will no longer be standing and it will end up being a sickular nation and not secular!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Terrific list! I really appreciate this list, although not as interesting as the Mystery lists and all that, it really does a fantastic job getting points across.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:12 am
“Its not fair to use today’s moral and ethical codes to something that happened so long ago”
Sorry. Any 50+ year old man who is sexually attracted to a 9 year old child, and has sex with her at that age is a pervert, period. In any age and anytime.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
pac: why are u still trying to debate me, i didnt even read what u wrote, i told u that u cant debate with an atheist… its like debating a suicide bomber. ur words are falling on deaf ears… go tell someone else. If life or death has no purpose blow ur head off, whats the worst that can happen? really, whats the worst that can happen?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I understand that the Muslim fanatics are responsible for terrorism. I know that the true Isamlic faith is a peaceful one. What bothers me is that there are 100’s or 1000’s of Isalimic congregations in America. Since 9/11/01 I have only read or heard of less than six Muslim congregations speak out puplicly against the 9/11 attack or any other terrorism. Where is the public outrage from the Muslim community? If fanatics from my religion did something even half so bad I would publicly denounce it. I wouldn’t want my religion smeared by the actions of a few fanatics. Where is the moral outrage from the Muslim community? Your silence is deafening. If you want to be appreciated in America or the West then let us know you despise the actions of the few fanatics do sit there in silence.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:18 am
troy: not trying to be impolite whatsoever, but what do u think the muslim community should do to condemn it within america? just some examples…. marches etc? jus wondering…
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
@ Troy
Any sensible Muslim would denouce such act of terrorism and they have done it time and again. But due to the bias the entire community is being looked down and has been brandished as the community of terrorist and pro-terrorism.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:19 am
In todays culture yes Rick it is wrong. But as something accepted and done rather a lot, it isn’t wrong to go with what you are taught is ok and to live by what is right in your society at the time.
Also, they are only perverted themselves if they themselves know its wrong. Did they do perverted things? Yes, but that doesn’t make them a pervert.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Mastermind will you debate with Hindus? How about Zoroastrians? What about Jews? How about Eskimos? Or is it only people of the book that you will debate with?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:20 am
JFrater can you remove this comment?: .@Moonbeam (117): – it’s not from me obviously.
Thank’s!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Guys, i think you all need to be clarified that there is a Muslim and Islam as the religion.
Muslims are human beings too, just like you, me and everyone else. That is why they are not flawless.. So if A MUSLIM makes a mistake albeit a grand mistake, it could not be said that ALL MUSLIMS ARE BAD, thus making the teaching of ISLAM BAD. I totally agree that you should not judge a whole population simply by taking one or two examples.
And Guys, if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.
May God guide you all to the truth.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:23 am
@ 47 7raul7
you mention arabs are tolerant of other religions in the UAE< Kuwait and qatar and such? I spent my entire life there and until recently christians and hindus were refused to practice their religion. during ramadan, non-musilims still cant eat/drink anything outside closed spaces.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:24 am
@194
Amazing you got that from FoxNews
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
“But as something accepted and done rather a lot, ”
OK Zimmers if it was so excepted and done a lot back them maybe you can start a list of names where old men were having sex with 9 year old children. There should be lots historical people to post. Also, do you think that all 50 year old men were sexually attracted 9 year old girls not too long ago. And if so, what time period do to you think all old men started to lose their sexual attraction to children.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:25 am
@mastermind357 (240): There are a bunch but I’ll name one. The Yemeni fragments. These were fragments of what is believed to be the earliest Koran written from between 100 and 200 AD. The text of these fragments, in some areas, are in direct conflict with the Koran that is circulated today. Kind of throws a wrench into the premise of a divinely inspired book. Here is some info on the Yemeni fragments.
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/199901/koran
July 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Many of these are good misconceptions to note, as Islam is as peaceful and harmonious as any other world religion in most cases.
However the one that I have to comment on is the one on women. Whether or not it is Islamic law, some Muslim countries do enforce strict regulations on the lifestyles of women. My question is, why is this practiced when Muhammad himself proclaimed them “twin halves” of men? Muslim countries giving women the right to drive and the right to “seek divorce” (a laughable right… not as good as being able to actually divorce) is hardly in accordance with Muslim belief. So this misconception is not as far from the truth as the others on this list.
Enlightening list though, I love the misconception lists.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:27 am
@252 mastermind
Gee… so many things I can pick from your post. Where to begin?
- “why are u still trying to debate me”
Because you just keep writing nonsense.
- “i didnt even read what u wrote”.
So, you just write your thoughts regardless of what people is trying to tell you? You expect the rest of us to read your banter without returning the courtesy?
- “i told u that u cant debate with an atheist”
Oh, but I can, and do. Could you? Guess not.
- “its like debating a suicide bomber”
Please name one case in which an atheist has blown himself up. Now, if I say “u cant debate with a Muslim… its like debating a suicide bomber” I would get branded as a bigot, racist and intolerant. So I guess that is what you really are.
- “If life or death has no purpose blow ur head off, whats the worst that can happen? really, whats the worst that can happen?”
I know no atheist who would subscribe to that point of view. Matter of fact, I believe this is the only life we get, so it is precious beyond measure. And not only mine, but that of other persons. Whats the worst that can happen? I would miss living, watching sunsets, listening to music, playing video games, traveling, reading, deciding what to do with my life by myself, and trying to be a good person out of my own free will, without the menace of a hell to do it.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:29 am
After reading most of these comments, I feel ill…
In all reality, I have come to the conclusion that God has far more patience and tolerence than I have.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:31 am
interesting list. i still think that islam is the root of all evil in this world though.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
@mastermind357 (252): Two major failings in this comment. First, you are willing to bury your head in the sand rather than engage is a discussion. Why don’t you put your hands over your ears and yell, ‘nah nah nah nah’. Works just as good.
Is religion your only reason to live? The idea that you will continue living in an afterlife is all you have going for you? That’s a shame. Do you have kids? Friends? Family? Do you have goals in life? Do you want to accomplish anything besides giving yourself over to God?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
@259 downunder
“if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.”
Hey, I have read part of it, and found contradictions and flaws galore! You have guaranteed that it couldn’t be possible, yet here I stand. What do I get with your defaulted guarantee?
Now, before you ask me to prove it, it is easier and faster, although more irksome to people who believe otherwise, to direct you to http://kafirgirl.wordpress.com/ She did a marvelous job dissecting the Qu’ran and showing that it does have flaws and contradictions. Too bad she has gone M.I.A. and no new posts have been made, but it will open your eyes. Enjoy!
Pac
PS: If this were a 10 Misconceptions about Chrisitanity, I would be arguing with the same intensity the same things too, as it is the same with the Bible: flaws and contradictions.
PPS: Hey! How about 10 Misconceptions about Atheists next? You know, how it is the same for us to live or die, etc.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
You can spin the religion of Islam any way you want, the fact remains it is out of touch with modern times. At least Christians went back and looked at the old testament and realized it’s harshness and wrote the new testament.
The Koran is FULL of examples of intolerance. Try taking an opposing view and then decide by going here~
http://www.masada2000.org/islam.html
July 10th, 2009 at 11:37 am
“interesting list. i still think that islam is the root of all evil in this world though.”
O_o…That makes loads of since seening as it has only been around for about 1400 years…Obviously evil didn’t exist before than.
Also, that is the type of thinking that lead to the Holocaust so be mindful of were your thoughts and actions might lead.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
@downunder (259): “And Guys, if you sincerely look up the Quran to study about Islam by reading it thoroughly and analyzing the time and circumstances that each verse was revealed, I GUARANTEE that you will find NO CONTRADICTION AND NO FLAWS in the verses inside it.”
How many do you want me to list? I should just need to list one to contradict this statement. Here goes:
According to the Qur’an, who was the first Muslim? Apparently there were four. Muhammad, Moses, Adam, and Abraham. There can only be one ‘first’. Which one was it?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:42 am
yeah they tolerate other religions when Muslims form the majority, and even then its not always true (Killing of Hindus, Sikhs and Christians in Pakistan, and killing of Hindus in Bangladesh, killing of Christians in East Timor, killing of Zoroastrians in Persia, driving out Hindus in Kashmir… basically we should just write a new list of Top Ten Groups of People killed in the name of Islam)
Overall this is a crappy list
July 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
@faketree78 (209): You comment made me remember how the guy in pulp fiction used the ‘furious rage’ quote from the bible to explain his crimes. Yeah, we can take things as literal, or abstract depending.
Final thoughts: I guess sociopolitical limitations and variations have a lot to do with how a country, and it’s denizens, are perceived by the world. In the UK, a muslim (man or woman) has the same rights as any other resident. In Afganistan, men and women may have different rights, perhaps fewer rights than us – but is that as a result of which books they read and hold dear – or is it the laws and social ‘norms’ which pervade those countries, and mitigate against equal rights? Is it Islam which curtails free will and free speech, or is it the policed social pressure to unquestioningly conform? And if a non-conformist movement should make a stand in those countries, is it not the political regime which does the labelling?, the branding?, the punishing? – and the same regime which touts and lauds these strong-arm tactics as ‘peace keeping’ rather than public disempowerment, manipulation and control?
Never judge a book by it’s cover – as each page is unique unto itself.
[rips off serious face] ahh, that’s better! I hate navel gazing; such a waste of a good afternoon. See you tomoz. :p
July 10th, 2009 at 11:47 am
pac: if life is so precious and you have only one life, who cares, it will be in vain, ur going to die and it wont matter will it?? so just kill urself!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:51 am
This is hilarious, people HATE muslim’s. Damn, ya’ll act like muslims raped your parents in front of you and made you watch. Damn, whats the hate 4? ya’ll sound so stupid dat it is actually funny lol people seroiusly HATE it, damn.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:55 am
vindicatedfinally
The land was so they could build rest stops for pilgrims, what is the problem with that, only the terrorists(separatists) had a problem with it. They can’t spare 0.40km of land. Its Indian land for Indian citizens, not Saudi land for some visitors. And besides i am sure the Saudi govt provides adequate facilities for their pilgrims.
By the way how many Muslim countries allow Hindu temples to exist peaceful (excluding Indonesia). Malaysia has started demolishing temples, I am sure you are ecstatic.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
I don’t see the point in hate. Besides, hating an entire religion just seems like such a waste of energy.
Peace and love man, peace and love.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:59 am
You are the one asking people (me) to kill himself because you don’t like what they (I) profess/think/say.
If you feel that life is in vain, well, I feel sorry for you. I do not share that opinion. I am enjoying the Today.
I could say that if you believe in an afterlife, and that it is much better that what you have now, why don’t then kill yourself in order to get there faster, but that would be an stupid argument.
Pac
PS: If you are Muslim, I do not hate you for it. I might have a slight problem with your attitude, behavior and patent frustration in discussing things in a serene and mature way, though.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Why do you believe there is need to publish a list that attacks Christianity in order to fabricate facts about Islam? The intro is utterly insulting, as if Islam is someone the victim of some kind of Christian aggression.
10. Islam started in Arabia. The entire religion is built around Arab paganism.
8. Even if it was true (the list cites no specific quotes from the Koran), the theory and practise of such a thing are widely different.
7. Muslims enforce a tax on Dhimmis (which are non-Muslims which Muslims have allowed to live in order to gain money from them).
5. He married Aisha when she was 7 and started to rape her from the age of 9. I doubt any girl could hit the age of puberty at the age of 4 but even if she did, she still had the mind of a child.
4. Except Muslims have done all those things and more when they swept into Europe between 600AD and 1500AD. Even Muslims of today continue such traditions (especially in places like the Balkans, Caucasia, Sudan, Somalia, Afghanistan and basically any area just outside the Arab world). And no, Saladin was truly remarkable in the fact that he didn’t act like other Muslim leaders, not because he was a Muslim leader.
3. Perhaps by Arab standards, women have rights but by Christian/European standards, they have no rights. And isn’t that what you’re trying to appeal to with this list?
2. It’s fitting, that savages would embrace Islam. But no, Islam was spread (outside the Arab world and especially by the Turks and Moors) by the sword.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
try checking out malaysia or indonesia. islamic countries over there have equal rights between men and women. they live peacefully with other people. just because a country like pakistan beat up their wives, doesnt mean other islamic countries practice that too.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
@ Alok
Lol! For rest eh? So you mean to say that ever since the yatra has been going on people have found no avenues to rest? Heard of camps? Thats where they used to rest!And mind you it was the common Kashmiri there who used to provide will the relief material.
And your land? Heard of article 370 huh?
Malaysia has started demolishing temples and I am ecstatic? Did you have too mcuh of cocaine last night? Just check blood is oozing out of your nose!
And why no noise about the atrocities on Muslim in China!
And for your information Malaysia has a different court altogether for the non muslims!For demolising of temple well I would condenm it here in India or anywhere across the globe if it is done purposefully to hurt the sentiment of any group whatsoever.Period!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
pac: because I dont believe you go to heaven if you kill yourself. But you dont believe in any afterlife do u? so life will be in vain if you die and thats it. Just kill yourself
July 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
In regard to misconception number 3, Muslim women do have rights.
FYI, I’m a 21 year old Muslim in South East Asia and is attending tertiary education and I have been driving for 3 years, since I was 18.
I do not cover my head on a daily basis and nobody in my country (Brunei, a Muslim country) wears a hijab. Occasionally, a handful of women would be seen wearing hijabs but even that is considered weird in our country as Islam does not require women to cover their faces. In fact, while performing a certain ritual for Haj, women are FORBIDDEN to cover their faces.
Besides that, I have numerous homosexual friends and although I do not believe in same-sex marriages, I do not have a problem with their sexual preferences.
And no, Islam is not the root of all evil. Greed is.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
k im a spiritual guy myself,,but cmon now,,doesnt the topic religion seems a bit out of place in the 21st century???? i mean,, come on,, we all know this is bullshit right? christianity ,,islam,, etc..wtf? Do some meditation instead, its high time we move on,,Seriously Cmon..WE’LL FOREVER BE A TYPE 0 CIVILIZATION IF WE CLING ON TO THIS DEBATE, WHICH IS A COMPLETE, AND AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME!!! BTW WHO THE FUK INVENTED RELIGION??HA?mmmm …GRRRRR..#$@% EDISSONNNN!!!!!!????
July 10th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
k im a spiritual guy myself,,but cmon now,,doesnt the topic religion seems a bit out of place in the 21st century???? i mean,, come on,, we all know this is bullshit right? christianity ,,islam,, etc..wtf? Do some meditation instead, its high time we move on,,Seriously Cmon..WE’LL FOREVER BE A TYPE 0 CIVILIZATION IF WE CLING ON TO THIS DEBATE, WHICH IS A COMPLETE, AND AN UTTER WASTE OF TIME!!! BTW WHO THE FUK INVENTED RELIGION??HA?mmmm …GRRRRR..#$@% EDISSONNNN!!!!!!?????.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
@259 downunder
Here are two contradictions from the Qu’ran:
In 2:62: “Surely the believers and the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right, shall have his reward with his Lord and will neither have fear nor regret.”
So, everybody gets a prize at the end, hooray!
Now, wait. Further in the Qu’ran, 5.72, it says: “They are surely infidels who say: “God is the Christ, son of Mary.” But the Christ had only said: “O children of Israel, worship God who is my Lord and your Lord.” Whosoever associates a compeer with God, will have Paradise denied to him by God, and his abode shall be Hell; and the sinners will have none to help them.”
So, are Christians going to hell at the end, or not? This seems to be a very contradcitory text.
As for flaws, well, pick any of the purposed science facts therein, regarding the nature of the Earth, the existence of Jinns, etc. Fun stuff.
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
@ 285 Please keep me out of this, you Asshole!!
Thank you.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
My main problem with Islam is that they ban alcohol.
What kind of monsters are they?!? Drinking is sacrilicious!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
-sigh-
When both sides of an argument believe they are correct, there is very little you can do to sway them. Both will end up wrong for they will only have one side of the story.
Plus people, seriously what is the point of fighting and threating people over the internet? You’re acting like 12 year olds. Spelling like it too….
July 10th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
pac: sura 2:62
The verse is invalid today because the Qur’an does not consider any of the Christians or Jews to be the Jew and Christians who Allah has sent His True Word!
Besides, the verse indicates that those who have died before Islam, as believers, will be judged accordingly. Since Islam is here and it is the only acceptable religion by Allah, the “True” Christians and Jews would convert to Islam, otherwise they are going against the word of Allah and His prophets and His revelations.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Honestly, we could talk equally about Christianity and Islam for a very long time (I’m from an “extremist Catholic” country – Croatia – so I debate about it often), but frankly I don’t want to. They make me sick even more than any other religion in the world. This is my personal opinion. You may not like it, but I’m not trying to force it upon you (unlike religions).
Are you currently in prison for having these opinions?
Are you in fear for your life when debating?
If the answer to these questions is “no” then you have no basis for comparison, and it is extremely arrogant and short sighted to claim that you “understand” the sort of religious extremism going on in Saudi Arabia, Iran, and, until recently, Afghanistan.
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Give me one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us.
Bahais in Iran, Copts in Egypt, Buddhists in Afghanistan, Shiites in Iraq, pretty much everybody in Saudi Arabia…
Also, ever heard of a country named India, where muslims are burnt & oppressed routinely, christians are harrased, raped & killed daily, where sikhs are prejudiced aginst since god knows when.
I’m sure you’ll find a higher proportion of Muslims in India than you will Hindus in Pakistan.
But of course, no one talks about it in the whole goddamned world. Why? Because the media has more important issue (of ISLAMIC terrorism/extremism/fundementalism) to discuss.
Systematic, merciless atrocities committed on a near daily basis against innocent people minding their own business is a bigger deal than the occasional dust up. And, yes, the media does cover Hindu on Muslim violence, when it happens, the key phrase being “when it happens.”
As for your idea that they create trouble, chechnya has asked for independence or atleast autonomy & i think any one can ask for independence. So when the eastern european countries came into being & broke away from the USSR, did you say they create trouble? No, no one said anything.
Since when does slaughtering hundreds of children in a school equate to “asking for independence?” Let me remind you that the Russians aren’t exactly popular at the moment, so when a group of people manage to get the West to sympathize with them, something just went horribly wrong.
which is known as Azad kashmir (free kashmir) today.
I don’t have a dog in the Kashmir fight, but the fact that the democratic and tolerant Pakistanis (that was sarcasm, there) call an area “free” doesn’t mean much. The North Koreans call their country “The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea” despite it not being democratic, a republic, or of the people. The point being that the use of an adjective in the name of an area does not mean the adjective is accurate.
So, learn to be respectful of other religions & don’t blame it without reason/proof.
9/11, The Ottoman Empire, Khobar Towers, The burning of the Danish Embassy, Salman Rushdie, Theo van Gogh, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, The USS Cole, Statues of Buddha in Afghanistan, The Beslan Hostage Crisis, The Madrid Train Bombings, The London Underground Bombings, An Iranian woman sentenced to death for defending herself against rape, Saudi girls forced to burn to death because the police wouldn’t allow then to escape a burning building without their heads covered, dhimmi, honor killings, death penalty for apostasy…
I can go on if you’d like.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
yun: “i can go on if you like”
that is ok, damn, that is entirely too much writing… who is going to sit there and read all of that on listverse? make it short and simple.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Yup, and as soon as they stop sawing off peoples heads with a rusty blade, I’ll be open to a “better understanding”. Till then, meh, not so much.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Hmmm seems fine man.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
“Do not destroy buildings”?
LOL, what Ancient writings did you find that line in?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
@mastermind357 (275): Why does having only one life make this life in vain or pointless? I’d argue the exact opposite. Since we only have this life, we better make the best of it and live it to the fullest instead of bowing our heads to an invisible person in the sky that is telling you how to live?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
“An eye for and eye makes the whole world blind”
- Mahatma Gandhi
July 10th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
faketree78: Life is pointless if you believe we will all die and just sleep. We wont remember anything if that the case. Ur fate wont be any different than hitler or stalins if thats the case. U might as well end it all, soon as u kill yourself, u’ll just be sleep right?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Singapore is a tiny red dot on the world map, barely 700km2. We accept every religion here with open arms. We talk to each other like we are the same. There is no social class based on race. We eat food from one another’s culture everyday. It’s fun and we love it. We even managed to get a mixture of everything Singaporean – Singlish. We love each other.
We can continue debating over this matter. We can solve it without bloodshed. Here’s one way. You mention the names of a muslim terrorist, and I mention a muslim who is not a terrorist. We take turns. My list follows up to hundreds of millions.
Generally the top item on a “Misconceptions about Atheists” should be that ‘Atheists accept other religions’ To me, I think that Muslims receive more conflict from atheists than christians or jews. We believe in god, at least.
The reason we ban alcohol is that when you get dronk you’d forget to do your prayers and stuff (or in your case go to church). Mirror yourself and find out how many percent of Christians do not go to church every sunday. Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty, cause diseases, and have — when still young. Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
“Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
Maggots will come out of any piece of meat if you leave it sitting around long enough.
It makes sense that they would ban drinking cause you might forget to say your prayers. I’d hate to have take responsibility for myself!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Interesting list. Accurate yet controversial, always a good mix.
Choosilicious:
“Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty,”
No they are not. Certainly they are cleaner than cattle or poultry.
“cause diseases,”
That is an utter lie.
“Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
As if by magic, right? Maggots come out of almost any degradable matter when you have flies around, ya dumb shit. Don’t kid yourself, the reasons for disallowing people to eat pork are not based on rational causes.
I’m an Atheist, by the way. Have fun chewing on that rubbery fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
As for killing, it is an unforgivable sin in islam. The biggest sin after thinking you can do the same with the god. It says, it is not you, who will judge the sinners, it is Allah. And if you judge the sinners that means you are trying to do something which only god could do, so thats the biggest sin=)
July 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
@mastermind357 (179): Your guess is correct good sir.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
@jarradmeshwork (295):
Do you really think that there were no buildings at the time of islam?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
304: Apparently he does lol
July 10th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
@mastermind357 (298): “Life is pointless if you believe we will all die and just sleep. We wont remember anything if that the case. Ur fate wont be any different than hitler or stalins if thats the case. U might as well end it all, soon as u kill yourself, u’ll just be sleep right?”
This is flat out conjecture and is actually logically backwards. If this is the only life I have, why would I kill myself? I better live as long as I can in this life because I enjoy this life and don’t need something afterwards to give my life meaning.
You, on the other hand, have a belief that there is something after this life and not only that, but that whatever is after this life is actually better than our current life. So I say to you, what are you waiting for if the next one is better than this? Go ahead and off yourself if there is something better than is next.
I, on the other hand, will stick with this life and enjoy it while I can because you know what? Yup, I’m taking the big dirt nap just like Stalin and Hitler and eventually you. We’re worm food buddy so enjoy it while it lasts.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
this should be under the HUMOR category
I get weekly bulletins from muslim countries documenting the atrocities against women, children, and christians.
you have swallowed the propaganda…enjoy the indigestion.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
@290 mastermind
See how flawed and contradcitory it is? If the sura is no longer valid, then its meaning has changed from the original, when it was valid. Therefore, the promise that the Qu’ran would never change is false, because the meaning of its contents has changed, as per what you say.
Now, how can the Qu’ran consider anything? It is a book, by Pete’s sake. And how can one, let alone a book, recognize your everyday Christian or Jew from those Christians and Jews for whom this supposed true word was sent?
Now, the sura explicitly says “the believers AND the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians, whoever believes in God and the Last Day, and whosoever does right” Note the conjunction AND? Basic grammar rules there; easy to follow. It doesn’t say “the believers” only, or even “the believers and the true/converted/accepted/whatnot Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians…” Why, even that part that says “and whosoever does right” might include even a good-hearted, non-willing to kill himself atheist!
Now, in the way you are explaining it, “true” Christians and Jews is an oxymoron; a true Christian and a true Jew will remain Christian or Jew, because they are true to their religions. If you are going to respond to this with “because a true Christian/Jew would convert to Islam the moment he hears the supposed true word”, save it; the argument has many logical flaws.
Lastly, how can a person die as a believer before Islam? How can a caveman, for example, be a believer and go to paradise if there was no Muhammad, no Qu’ran, no Mecca, no nothing?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
@Choosilicious (299): You need to be careful as to what you believe to be the truth. I saw the same video showing the pork + coke = worms video. It’s bunkum – a viral video. The reason you don’t eat pork (the same reason Jewish folk don’t eat pork) is that back in the day, before refrigeration and sanitation, pigs did in fact carry trichinosis and a few other diseases. Not because they’re filthy, but because we were, and the pigs eat our leavings. Pretty sure the same can be said for most shellfish – they filter our garbage out of the water. Now you don’t eat pork because of tradition. Tradition isn’t always a bad thing, but don’t confuse it with fact.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
@ people from Brunei, Singapore and similar countries.
I applaud that you are sensible people who have not fallen into fanaticism. If all countries, either Muslim, Christian or whatever did the same, we would not be discussing this today. I assure you that I debate with the same gusto with Christians and Buddhists and New Age people alike. I have no problem with sensible religion, as long as it doesn’t meddle with politics, freedom, gender, race, etc, and specially, with my life. This list was pure propaganda, so I wanted to argue against some of its points. It’s nothing personal against normal, peace-loving, non-fanatic people of Muslim background.
Peace.
PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Faketree78: I told you, I believe that if i kill myself i wont go to heaven, thats why i wont kill myself, understand that?? If we all KNEW for a fact that heaven was a actual place and u can still kill yourself and go there, 99% of the world would probably commit suicide. You believe there is no afterlife. If that is the case, this life is all vanity. read the last post i wrote u again. If you know u will die eventually and u just go to sleep, what are u waiting for? once again, u wont remember anything.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Your list is great…if you leave out the contradictory passages and the satanic verses…why is there a price on Salmon Rushdie’s head?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Pac: Lastly, how can a person die as a believer before Islam? How can a caveman, for example, be a believer and go to paradise if there was no Muhammad, no Qu’ran, no Mecca, no nothing?
Islam has an answer for this.
There is a hadith that says…
“Four types of people will be tested on the day of judgement: a deaf man who cannot hear anything, a mad man, an old aged man and a man who died during fatrah (a period of time when no messenger was sent to people). The deaf man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I cannot hear anything!”. The mad man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while the boys throw animals’ excrement on me!”. The old aged man will say: “Oh Allah, Islam came while I can understand nothing”. And the man who died during a fatrah will say: “Oh Allah, I witnessed no messenger from You”. Then Allah takes a promise from them to obey Him. Then He will command them to enter hell, and who enters it will find it peace and cool, and who disobeys will be dragged to hell”
July 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
@311 mastermind
“I believe that if i kill myself i wont go to heaven, thats why i wont kill myself”
So, if you knew you could kill yourself and go to heaven, you would kill yourself?
You must be living a very empty and sorry life to think like this.
By the way, in which sura is the prohibition against suicide? Just curious to see what it says. I’m not sure there is one in the bible. How can one be sure that it is a sin stated in the true book(s), as opposed to an addition made by normal, human beings afterwards?
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
mastermind357; Life in and of itself is a reward. I require no promise of anything in the next life to live this one as a decent, kind, tolerant human being. If there is a god, I will be judged on how I behaved, not on what I think. I try every day to make someone else’s life a little better by my actions. If Allah/Jehova/God still doesn’t find me worthy – I want no part of it anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Fantastic posting. Will be putting a link on my blog.
@Egyptiancopt: I believe the price on Rushdie’s head is from iran, is it not? Iran does not speak for the whole Muslim ummah.
PS: I read about three pages of Rushdie and found him dreadfully boring- I think his fame depended on his fatwa……only, not on any talent, but that is my humble opinion!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
people really need to understand that this list specified what Islamic laws require. Just because people do not follow these rules does not mean the flaw is within the religion itself rather its the people themselves. American society set up laws against murders and rapists, yet some Americans break the law. in this case the flaw is not within the system but within the individuals that did not follow the law.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I have ABSOLUTELY nothing against Islam itself. However, one thing that constantly pisses me off is the rule/law/choice of wearing the hijab. I myself am a Syrian-American and am not muslim(thanks for saying that, we are actually quite big here in SoCal), but I just don’t get why? Why must you wear it, where is the reason? Many religions used to do this long ago and some still do but their is no reason to do so. We Christian Arabs have old men who wear the “towels” above their heads and actually we have some women who also wear the head cover but none of it ever covers their face and I find it ridiculous that some people still think they need to. If you choose to believe in Islam I strongly agree if not, I agree just the same, but I still can’t scratch off the whole hijab thing and I guess that’s bad? I dunno but it tends to annoy me.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
@313 mastermind
Well, one nice, interesting answer. I liked it. I learned something new. See how we can get along?
Furthermore, now I know that I can go on being a happy atheist, because I think that I fit 3 of the 4 test cases you mentioned, should I die and find out not only that there is an afterlife and a god, but that both conform to their descriptions in Islam. I’ll promise away and walk right into “hell”. Thanks for the info (truly).
Pac
July 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
very good list, its nice to see islam being shown in a good light. all the things you hear about “evil muslims” on the news are probably very rare. And also just because someone does a bad thing and they’re a muslim doen’t mean they did a bad thing because they’re muslim.
If they’re is a god out there, then i don’t think he will judge in what people belive, but in what they do in life. Lets say an aetheist is a really good person, will god not let them into heaven (if there is one) because of this.
That was a bit off topic but i dont like the fact in religions (including christianity), people are being told they go to hell just because they worship the same being in a different way.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
mom424 and Pac, now we are debating opinions, we will never come to an agreement with just our opinions however, if you had the opportunity to move ur family out the projects to a care free, better neighborhood and schools u wouldnt take the opportunity? The same way is what i meant that if we all knew HEAVEN actually existed and it wasnt a sin to kill urself, almost everyone would do it, however that is not the case. Im speaking hypothetically.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
@316 CurlySue
I tried to read a couple of pages a long time ago, and found them also boring. Didn’t know until recently what the original Satanic Verses were.
Pac
PS: What’s the name of your blog?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
im glad i helped you learn something new, we should just agree to disagree… i also appreciate a debate in which both sides keep respect, hopefully u know i wouldnt want u to literally kill urself… just making u think since this is a heated debate.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
323 was directed to PAC
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Mohammed married Aisha at the age of 6 not 9.
That he married her at age 9 is YOUR misconception.
He had sex with her at the age of 6, he didn’t penetrate her but he did put his member between her thighs and pleasure himself that way.
He penetrated her at the age of 9.
Mohammed was nearly 60 years old at the time.
Yeah, Mohammed was a pedophile.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Al Salamo alikom (Peace be upon you):
I really wanna thank you for the effort you have done to make this list, great one, as in one of the comments
“I think some of the items in this list is an eye opener for many Muslims themselves instead of non Muslims.”
This is a bit true, me as a Muslim had no idea about these misconceptions , I could never imagine that the western wrong picture about Islam is deeply wrong like this.
I didn’t read all of the comments, but I am sure I will find many against this list, and they will insist that these misconceptions are true, I wanna tell these people that I can imagine the amount of hate in their hearts, and I can find many excuses for this hate, the minority of Muslims killing people by the name of Islam, this hate you have needs much more than one list in a site to be removed.
For everyone who still hate Islam: Please, just give yourself the chance to read more, know Muslims closer, hear different opinions, accept others, enjoy practicing the freedom and democracy you talk about, and let others do.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
All I Need To Know About Islam I Learned On 9/11.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
@321 mastermind
I noted the conditional in “if we all knew HEAVEN actually existed…”
But shouldn’t all believers KNOW that heaven is there. It is promised in the true book(s). If they doubt its existence, then they are no true believers. Hence, they will go to hell along with all the people who follow “false” beliefs… and with all those pesky atheists.
As for suicide being a sin, in which sura, hadith, psalm, gospel, etc. is stated as such. Just wondering.
“if you had the opportunity to move ur family out the projects to a care free, better neighborhood and schools u wouldnt take the opportunity?”
Not if this requires dying first. Suppose there is an eternal afterlife. Being eternal an inevitable, for we all die at some point, it can very well wait while I enjoy my little home and do my everyday chores just fine.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
pac, Surah 4, verse 29 orders us not to destroy ourselves, which most Muslims take to be a prohibition against suicide as well as murder.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Thanks @329 debmcnichol!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
328 pac…. its hard to answer ur questions since we share such different views. I believe heaven exist, i meant “people” in general. when i said “We” I mean “people”
as far as suicide, this is starting with sura 4:29 in the qur’an…
O you who believe, do not consume each others’ properties illicitly – only mutually acceptable transactions are permitted. You shall not kill yourselves. GOD is Merciful towards you.
[4:30] Anyone who commits these transgressions, maliciously and deliberately, we will condemn him to Hell. This is easy for GOD to do.
[4:31] If you refrain from committing the gross sins that are prohibited for you, we will remit your sins, and admit you an honorable admittance.
as far as your last comment on 328, u wont be “dying” you would just begin living in the afterlife.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Let me guess Duke, you don’t live in Southern New York or Northern New Jersey do you?
Allow me to remind you of the two tallish buildings that used to be visible in lower Manhattan. I judge people by what they do and not what they say.
I think most of your list quotes the ideal which falls far short of the reality. This is not unusual. The same can be said of Western Democracy or any other philosophy.
But are we to judge by the ideal or the way things actually are? You have to go with the way things are or the ideal will never be reached.
#7 – You might want to read up on the special tax levied on non-believers in the Ottoman Empire. I might also point out that apostasy is puishable by death under Sharia Law. Claiming Islam is particularly tolerant of other religions is a bit of a stretch.
#6 – Yes, and “Gay” means happy and “Intifada” means to shake off. The meaning of words evolve.
#5 – You’re kidding right? You expect me to believe she reached puberty at the age of 6? Nice try.
#4 – You have heard of suicide bombers all of whom are promised pardise right? Please explain to me how they avoid violating items 4, 5, 6, 7 and 8?
#3 – You need to explain this to the Saudi Religious Police. You do know that women in Saudi Arabia can’t drive and can’t leave the country without the permission of a male relative don’t you? And let’s not forgot the rape victim that got a heavier sentence than the rapers a while back. Then there’s always the minor matter of honor killings.
#1 – I refer you again to the two missing towers, dead children in supermarkets and dead mourners in funeral processions. Like I said, I judge people by what they do and not what they say.
The bottom line is that while 99% of Muslims are fine upstanding people, the culture falls far short of the ideal that you’re presenting.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Thank you for showing a better face of reality.I am a muslim and i live in iran
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Christian Europe
Slavery,genocide,World wars and oppresion.
Yet it is europeans who are judge,jury and executioner of the entire world.
I do not understand why people care what you think about Islam, you are obviously a nation of evil.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
alencon: (just to prove a point) females cant get their period at 6? how do u explain the youngest mother who gave birth at 5 years old?? She also began menstruating at 8 months old. read the link…
http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/medina.asp
July 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Just like Islam, there are allot of misconceptions about Christians and Christianity as well.. The folks who step on us (true Christians), are as ignorant as the people who generalize all Muslims. True Christians love everyone. “God hates sin, not the sinner.”
July 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Know God? No peace.
No God? PEACE!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Truth be told:
Mohammed was a megalomaniac. He wanted to be accepted as a prophet, but was rejected by the Jews of Mecca and the Christians there as well. He bastardized the christian Bible.
Islam has no orthodoxy — and no authoritative concil that demands what it truly means to be a muslim. Instead, it is a religion of economic and political conquest. Saladin was truly an enlightened man — and perhaps there are many enlightened muslims. but they do not repudiate the “fringe” which so actively seeks the demise of the West.
In Pakistan, the civilain populace finally voiced their opposition to the taliban when they saw videos of women being beaten in public.
Let’s face it. Mohammed was a rapist. He told hios followers that if they killed their enemies in battle, they could plunder their possessions and take their women and children as slaves — and rape the women.
A religion of peace? More accurately, a religion of lies. Moslem scholars are so embarrassed by their own “Holy Books” that it is difficult to find many of them translated and in print…
Most of the assertions of this article are total falsehoods and propoaganda. There is an Egyptian Coptic priest with a price on his head of $300,000 for preaching Christianity in Egypt, and his penchant for confronting the lies of Islam. Gee, religious freedom? Rights for women? rights for children? Whoever wrote this is simply a Muslim propagandist, being paifd for their contributions, or both. Anyone with two brain cells in their head can easily see the facts of history and the Islamic scriptures paint quite a different picture. JIHAD= Conquest of the West.
Gee, who blew up the Twin Towers?
Who regularly robs, rapes and murders their non-muslim neighbors?
The Mongols adopted Islam only as a convenience… and it had the benefit of allowing their soldiers they were going to heaven. They found converting to Islam easier than killing off their Islamic subjects.
The first caliphs of Palestine were enlightened people. the next groupm, after the Abbyssinads, were cut throats who mercilessly killed civilians opposed to them, Islamic and non-Islamic alike. Their means of executing their enemies was so gruesome it cannot be repeated here–
Christianity has its nutcases too. but far fewer. Christianity had so much more evolution and development than Islam.
The Pope outlawed African slavery in 1773. Today, Muslims in Africa still practice slavery and Arabs still smuggle slaves from one country to another.
If Islam is so enlightened, explain why all Islamic countries by far and large are dirty, backward, disease-ridden pestholes of ignorance and prejusidice… maybe there is some hope for Indonesia, but I doubt it. They have a habit of killing Christians (look at East Timor.)
July 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
ooh looks like a list ripe for controversy…
i don’t know enough about the world so i like that listverse teaches me things!
i hope that everyone starts remembering the truth of their religion, christian and islam, because its been twisted so much over history..
and i think we can all agree that terrorism SUCKS!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Sorry for the typos. I just can’t believe the garbage on the internet.
Try accessing even Wikipedia or the Catholic Encyclopedia or any legitimate reference source and you’ll easily see that the assertions of the article are out and out lies.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@truthbetold (337): WOW
all the devotion into your own bullshit, you deserve a bluepeter badge.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
@truthbetold (339): Well saying your catholic what a surprise.
The catholic church have more blood on there hands than the Jews………….wait maybe not.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
truthbetold 339
wikipedia is a legitimate reference source now? lol
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Early morning in Australia. Wakes up. Yawns. Logs onto the List Universe. Have I missed anything?
Oh.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
What a load of BS…the worse list ever on this otherwise fine site! As a student of Islam and a friend to ex muslims, this is pure fiction by the author of this list who either is a muslim or a dhimmi!
People, do not believe these lies…Islam is a murderous death cult…IF you try to leave islam, you can be murdered for apostasy!
Muhammed taught this…he also married a 6 year old girl…he had innocent poets murdered for making fun of him….he stole from other caravans to supplement his economy….he had 900 innocent jewish civilians beheaded….he okayed the rape of captive women…
AND on and on it goes….islam is evil to its core…however, not all muslims follow islam literally and we can be thankful for that!
Horrible list and shame on the auther for lying …
He is using the Karen Armstrong or John Esposito school of whitewashed Islam…
You may be able to fool some of the illiterates here about islam but for those of us who studied this brutal cult, you cannot fool us!
Dev
July 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
@Devon in Canada (345): lol
Canada
July 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
devon in canada: where did you study islam, and have u written any books? I’d like to read your work…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
How different would this list be if was written by a Muslim Imam and not a non Muslim westerner. The west came out of the dark ages immediatly following the dark ages. The Muslim world is still there. Qur’an 4:34 The Husband should first verbally admonish her, next ground her to the bedroom like a child, and finally when all else fails, to beat her.
Sounds like a misconception to me.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@Choosilicious (299): I loved your comments! I hope you post your thoughts here again. What you wrote here is lovely: “We accept every religion here with open arms. We talk to each other like we are the same. There is no social class based on race. We eat food from one another’s culture everyday.”
And these remarks are absolutely charming: “The reason we ban alcohol is that when you get dronk you’d forget to do your prayers and stuff (or in your case go to church). …Then the reason we ban pork is that pigs are dirty, cause diseases, and have — when still young. Oh, and maggots come out if you pour coke on it and wait for some time.”
July 10th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
@332 alencon
you have your information so screwed up, I cannot believe you are using those points to justify yourself. people can reach the age of puberty at 6 yrs, ever heard of the youngest mother at the age of 5?? according to doctors she reached puberty at the age of 3. You need to read more upon the rape story too. The real version makes a lot more sense if you knew what really happened. unfortunately you wont find the real story because the news spun the truth around. and read comment 317, they make a lot of sense pointing out that the list clears up the Islamic laws whether someone follows it or not depends on the person. The religion itself is not flawed those who follow it incorrectly make it seem like its the religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
@mastermind357 (347): Me too, the way he talks he gives the impression he is a Sheihk.
(Not)
July 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
This article reeks of bias. In fact, I would say it’s pure propaganda. If you wanted to create something that had merit you might want not to leave out choice pieces of information. Here’s a few pieces of info that your readers might want to know about in order to get a
more balanced view of some of these subjects:
9: Muslims and Jesus. You may have wanted to include that
Muslims don’t believe that Jesus was the son of God only a
prophet and a prophet whose message became deluded over time. Muhammad’s message is supposidly superior to that
of Jesus.
7. Religious intolerance. Islam has certain rules about
non-believers living within their society.
They cannot marry muslim women without converting.
Their testimony is second to that of any muslim.
They are allowed by the koran to levy additional taxes
and be denied rights provided to muslims. This effectively makes them second class citizens.
3. women’s rights: Women are not allowed to step outside
their homes without a male family relative to escort them. See; Saudi Arabia. They may do so but at the risk
of being challenged by plain clothes police.
2. Spread by the Sword. Muhammad himself wrote letters
to Tehran, Cairo, Constantanople demanding that they convert or be brought down by the sword. When Islam conquered people they often did not outright kill them
instead forcing them to pay additional taxes and cutting them off from regular muslim rights. A desire to access
to these rights convinced people to convert, not good treatment.
1. Everyone already understands terrorism is a hate crime. In addition to being a hate crime it also serves a political agenda. The west also labels particular non-muslims as terrorist. See; Tim McVey. Because they met this additional requirement.
If you wanted to strengthen your argument try siting your sources to provide proof of your argument.
The last picture is actually a gathering of muslims who prefer Earl grey tea to that of darjeeling.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Regarding number 5. I don’t know of any 6 year olds who have reached puberty & I doubt very much that even a 9 year old had.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
@Jeff (352): You dont know what yopur talking about.Give me your reference. everything you just said is utter nonsense.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Liam (#37), u really crack me up man.
There are plenty of stories about Muslims that will tell you how noble the men who helped establish the religion were for instance…
Ali, the cousin of the Prophet (peace be upon him) was fighting someone in battle. He had overpowered the guy and was about to deliver the final blow from his sword to finish his opponent, when the opponent while lying on the ground spat in Ali’s face in a desperate attempt to distract him and avoid getting killed. Ali backed off all of a sudden and told his opponent to stand up, take back his sword and start fighting all over again.
Confused, the man asked Ali why he didn’t kill him when he could have easily done so. Ali replied,“I fight this war for Allah and Allah alone, when you spat in my face, I wanted to kill you out of personal hatred, I don’t want to to kill you for personal reasons.” On hearing this the man accepted Islam on the spot and fought with the Muslims for the rest of the battle.
Islam is a great religion but suffers from the classic “Great product, lousy sales pitch” syndrome.
All those pointing fingers at Saudi and all the horrible things they do to women, please read what the list says, Saudi is not the model of Islam, they do things that are not prescribed by Islam like not allowing woment to drive etc.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
352 Jeff
9. Ok we believe he was a prophet, and?? He prayed to God, therefore how can he be God genius?
7. We can marry non-muslim women as long as they are jews or christian(people of the book)! u made a fool of yourself with that statement.
3. Indonesia has the largest population of muslims and women can. Saudi Arabia is a cultural idea, not an islamic one.
2. I can find hadiths showing that different religions lived together peacefully(islam, christian, jew etc), use your head!
1. That was that case, the author meant the NORM.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
@Jihadi (355): Salam alaykom, very good point.These people dont know that sharia law was invented by man.
They need to study first before posting there ridiculous comments.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
actually it was the other way around, christianity was spread by the sword!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
more muslims are home from Jumua to defend these crazy comments now, finally!!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Wow, on the morning of 9/11 I wonder why I didn’t suspect anyone else? Religon of peace my rear end. And of course one scroll down into the comments was the prerequsitie crusades and inquisition comment. This list is so full of blatant lies I am shocked. This site is a daily read for me but this is the worst crock of crud I have come across in some time.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
For anyone bringing up the whole sauidis dont let there wives drive argument, I just want to point out that I did write “And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law.”
Yes Saudia Arabia implements many harsh and unequal laws against women, however it shouldnt be regarded as true Islamic law. There are other muslim countries that have opposite extreme laws towards women and none of them should be represented as Islamic law but rather government law.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Indonesia? Where they kill christian school girls and the gov’t gives a nod and a wink to those that murder?
The Indonesian Council of the Ulamas (MUI), the foremost state-sponsored Islamic body, issued a series of religious edicts (fatwas) in July 2005 against pluralism, secularism, liberalism, interfaith prayer, interfaith marriage and all alternative interpretations of religious texts.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
360 tim b: If you dont like the article, why comment on it. just click the red x at the top right of the screen. We dont need a speech from u… just leave and wait until the next list is posted. Do u actually think we care about your opinion on whether u “like” the article? lol just leave.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Personally, I have always felt that if there wasn’t religion there would be something else, and it would be just as bad.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
alencon: (just to prove a point) females cant get their period at 6?
So what Mastermind? When they do have their periods that early, it is an anomaly. Does that mean if a child, for whatever reason, gets her period when she is, 8 months old, or 3 years old, or 9 years old is ready for old men to use them for their sick and pervert sexual pleasure?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
356 mastermind
#7: Jeff meant non-muslim men can not marry muslim women without converting.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
366 joey: ok
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Rick: did I say that? i was proving you wrong by you saying females cant have periods at 6. I didnt clarify if i was pro or con on the issue, that was just to prove u wrong with the statement u made saying females cant have periods that young. This is the end of our debate, lets leave it at that.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If all this condition is applied in Indonesia, it will make Indonesia the best country In the world.
But unfortunetaley, moslems in Indonesia still make the majority the second class.
Syariah law is coming and become dominant law in several big regions. Bogor has become one city to ban pork from its people.
Indonesia will become more better if the people is tolerant each other.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
If all this condition is applied in Indonesia, it will make Indonesia the best country In the world.
But unfortunetaley, moslems in Indonesia still make the minority the second class.
Syariah law is coming and become dominant law in several big regions. Bogor has become one city to ban pork from its people.
Indonesia will become more better if the people is tolerant each other.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
This was a really great list, thanks so much for it. Though I am an atheist I think it is vital everyone tries to learn about religions so that they can be armed against any groups that may try to use misconceptions such as the ones listed here to incite hate or fear.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
non assimilating Muslims immigrate to Western countries by the millions and once they are 10 percent or more they make constant never ending demands that the host country, its people, language, culture , values, laws and even religions must change to submit to the desires of Muslims. Hate speech laws keep may western citizens impotent and unable to respond but citizens know in their hearts they and their countrymen are being betrayed by their leaders and erased by a forign culture that has come to destroy them.. Muslims think the non response of the natives means they have won, …it is the quiet before the STORM.
Show me in history where native populations stood by and watched their tribe cleansed from the earth, this time in slow motion through massive immigration, but still recognizable to all but the most feeble minded, the Western peoples are being ethnically cleansed. Some violent Muslim,someday, somewhere, will go too far, and quite soon I fear, it will be the final straw that broke the camels back,and the Western peoples will throw off the ropes of their phony Globalist leaders and it will be like a dam bursting flooding the land with people reclaiming their civilization.
Muslim faith is a religion of paece- Peace and quiet after they destroy all others that have different views.100 years ago non muslims made up over 20 percent of the Miidle east, now it is less than 2 percent, where did these peoples go? Tens of thousands of mosques have been built in the west in the last 50 years, but not one Non muslim church in Saudi arabia! The religion of Peace is one you should be very afraid of.
Any country on Earth that allows immigration to its land of any peoples that hold religous or territorial grievances is insane!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Children aren’t allowed to be hit by anything larger than a pencil? do they have any idea how much damage a pencil can do?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
372 JP: “If you wanna keep working here, stay off the drugs”
-Coming To America
July 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Jeff and JP
YOU BETTER WATCH YOUR MOUTH THERE
If any of you criticize anymore or give a negative impression to MY RELIGION, Insya Allah you get hit by traffic
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Wolly…
Not all religions have spread blood on the basis of religion.
Perhaps its just me, but I have never heard of a Buddhist fighting for any purpose other than self defense, or occasionally the defence of another.
One other thing. Marrying at nine during Muhammads time was actually a good idea. People tended not to live very long, so marriage at an early age was common, and in some places a necessity.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
And oh JP 372, that is just pure hypocrisy. We are not the ones who cleanse entire tribes in North and South America, start Wars over OIL in Iraq or wipe out an entire mesoAmerican civilization. And speaking of migration all around, we arent da only ones, how do you explain what the British were doing in the 185h century and the Boers of south Africa?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
And hey Sangmane!!! u indonesian too?????
July 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
@PAC
The passages are not contradictory, because you haven’t looked into the context from which they were taken.
First you mention the Jews, Nazareans and the Sabians…
islam originated from:
1)Judiasm
2)early Christians who believed Jesus (PBUH)was a prophet, not God.)
3)finally Islam.
*THOSE, are rewarded.
Christian who “associates a compeer with God”, are not.
For in Islam, the only unforgiven sin is to associate with god a partner.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
The Point is, misconception and hypocrisy lurks in every corner of multi-racialism and media. And this time, the misconception is very intense and is spread thru various ways like TV, South Park, News and even Books. When we turn on the TV, we always see shit about what CNN wud say ‘Terrorist Attack’ but if you look closely, I will give you a big comparison and what Media is influeancing us about;
- A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun = Terrorist
- A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad = Extremist
- Some random rural farmer with an AK-47 in northern Afghanistan = Taliban
but
- American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force
- Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation
Its not just misconception, its pure one-sidedness and impartiality with a mix of crazy ideas and brainwash by bis government agents
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
well done listverse this was one of the best lists to read and im glad that most of the none muslims had a read aswell and nice to hear their views. obviuosly you’ll get some idiots that think they are funny posting comments before thinking but you get that everywhere now and the best thing to do is what they all say to ignore them.
Anyways good one listverse!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
It’s pointless to argue that some of these misconceptions are “true”. The Bible says some really horrible, disgusting things that we gloss over, too. The point is: Islam is NOT any more violent or barbaric than any other religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Had to add – there’s no excuse for Muhammad marrying a 9-year-old. Ewwww. Should have just left that off the list.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
random asian: wa alaykum salam
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Look at all those terrorists in the picture for #1. I bet they are planning a genocide or something.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Yo, poster of #380, Random Asian:
That is not hypocrisy or one-sidedness. IT’S THE TRUTH!!!
- A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun = Terrorist
- A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad = Extremist
- Some random rural farmer with an AK-47 in northern Afghanistan = Taliban
- American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force
- Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation
I couldn’t express this any better myself, very nice. Muslims need to understand that they are being brainwashed and accept that Jesus is God.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Thank you for this! May Allah bless you.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
People quote historical factors to explain why Mohammad having a six year old girl friend is OK. Fine. Historical factors. Which no longer apply. It was OK then, and it is wrong now.
But then isn’t Mohammad, according to Islam, meant to be the perfect example for all time?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
@jfrater (131):
No jfrater, I don’t mean to use this list against you.
I’m still trying to make you realise that picture number 4 on the images of irony was inflammatory and prejudiced against muslims.
Do you have any idea of the arrogance of the statement:
“I stand by all my previous comments – I don’t consider myself fickle.”?
Do you realise how stubborn and close-minded that makes you? You can’t admit you were wrong?
I’ll ask you now; considering you said you stand by your previous comments, do you still think the women in the fourth picture on the other list “support terrorist bombings of innocent people”?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
sam……This type guy is exactly what i meant when i said the minority idiots who thinks they are hilarius which you sadly find everywhere nowadays..see comment 381!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
To American and to those who have similar opinions:
If there is one thing which you do not understand is that not all Muslims are the way you think they are. Most Muslims around the world are AGAINST terrorism. You say that Muslims need to understand that they are brainwashed. See, you are also brainwashed as well. You say American soldiers with BIG ASS guns and TANKS in neighbourhood areas = Peacekeeping Force. Peacekeeping Force is just a substitute for the word terrorist. People who terrorist other people’s life is a terrorist, regardless whether they are called peacekeeping force or intervention. they are still terrorist. Israeli planes bombing civilian structures = Military operation you say. Bombing civilian structures is military operation and not terrorist? i think not. Innocent people who have nothing to do with the supposed “military operation” DIE in bombings. That is not terrorism? People who kill innocent lives are terrorists! And i am not saying that those A man in turban or keffiyeh with a gun is not a Terrorist. They are terrorist as well. And yes, as a muslim, i do agree that sometimes A muslim preacher preaching about the greatness of the Islamic Values of Jihad has very extreme views, thus the birth of terrorism. But the true meaning of jihad is struggle. And the greatest jihad according to Islam is the struggle against one’s own temptation.
And. As much as you think that Muslims should accept Jesus as God, we wouldn’t. But we do accept Jesus as one of the greatest prophets in Islam. Our faith is not true if we reject Jesus!
What the world needs is to be taught the true Islam. And by personal opinion, i think terrorists need to re-learn about their own religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
ayse 391: nicelt said
390 bl4d3: i see what u mean lol
July 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I think this video refutes # 5 , (not mine)
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
393 squenis(gay name): your point of view has been already said by the other people who already left there comments, whats more to be said? why keep repeating the same thing? People already left feedback concerning number 5 on the list… what is your objective, really what is your objective?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Nice Spin Article.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
The two main reasons people go to war: politics and religion, scrap em both!
Mohammad a pedophile, bet Michael Jackson’s lawyer could get him off LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
this is a pretty good list but i have a few problems with it. Most of all the writer says “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.” Grouping all christians together like that is the same as someone grouping all muslims with terrorists
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@mastermind357 (239): You didn’t answer my question about the Yemeni fragments and your so-called unchanging Koran over the years. Yes, the Koran has been changed over time and the Yemeni fragments are one point of proof.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
@396
Im sorry, I didnt mean to insult Christianity I was just using a quote that summarized what my list was about.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
To T (396): I agree that not all christians are like that. My own best friend is a christian. “Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it.” is an over-generalize statement.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Hey, does the author of this article mind if i put his article on my blog?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
@American (385): yeah right – we should all believe what you do. C’mon, I’m a non-Muslim Canadian and I don’t believe Jesus is God. In fact I don’t really believe in God. The brainwashing/indoctrination point you made I agree with. All types of it – including the type you’ve been raised with. Obviously.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
@Ayşe (400): Please email Jamie and ask him. He has copyright on all the material on the site. jamie@frater.com
July 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
@Ayşe (400): You can put one or two items from the list and point it back to the full list here
July 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
10) Muslims are Arabs. Nobody with half a mind thinks that anymore. If someone thinks that, then they don’t have half a mind and I feel free to ignore their opinion
9) Muslims hate Jesus. I could not care less whether or not they hate Jesus. Actions matter more than beliefs.
7) Toleration of religions. Yes, Islam has acceptance of Judaism and Christianity written within it, but as subjugated religions, under the rule of Islam. So long as they are not under the rule of Islam, they are not tolerated by it. Now, what about the Hindus in India? According to Islam, if they don’t convert, it’s AOK to massacre them.
6) Jihad. Don’t try to confuse the world with semantics. We all learned exactly what the meaning of you “struggle” is on Sep. 11 2001. If Jihad truly doesn’t stand for the murder of innocent people, than stand up with the rest of humanity against those deeds, stop speaking with two different voices.
5) Muhammad was a pedophile. This is a common misconception? I’ve never even heard about it before today.
4) 10 rules of war. I got two things I wanna say: 1) Those rules only apply when two Muslim armies are fighting, or when fighting Jews or Christians. If you’re fighting heathens (believers of polytheistic religions), anything goes. 2) If you’re so proud of these rules why don’t you try following some of them from time to time? Remember, actions speak louder than words.
3) Women’s rights. Ever been to Saudi Arabia lately? Nuff said.
2) By the sword. I don’t know enough history to counter this, but tell me one thing: has Islam done anything in the past 30-40 years to disprove these myths? Or has it done it’s best to ensure their perpetuation?
1) Terrorism. I really don’t understand what you expect the world to think. You draw first blood, then accuse the west for trying to destroy you, and use it as an excuse to commit more atrocities. It’s not the media that created the image of Islam=terror, you did that on your own, the media just reported it. The image was there long before Southpark reared its head, burned into the minds of everyone by pictures of burning planes and butchered athletes and ashen buses.
This is one of the most self serving and misleading polls I’ve seen in listverse. It pains me to see that so many people have accepted this poll for word of god without so much as an eyebrow raised.
I’m truly disappointed with listverse today.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
“Mastermind wrote; I didnt clarify if i was pro or con on the issue, that was just to prove u wrong with the statement u made saying females cant have periods that young.”
Where did I say females can’t have periods that young in this thread?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Actually someone said earlier on in the comments something very profound that we probably ALL agree with: this list shows us what Islam is supposed to be when followed correctly; unfortunately a large number of its followers abuse the religion and are definitely not practicing it as described above.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Jfrater, should I expect a reply to my question? (388)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
@jfrater (406): But as I said, bits and pieces can be taken from the Koran, the Christian bible or the Hebrew bible to justify charity or to justify violence. Just because we civilized people believe the charity to be ‘correct’, essentially that is our opinion that good is better than evil. If you ask a fundamentalist Muslim, Christian, or Jew (and there are fundamentalists for all three judeo-christian religions) they would tell you the following of the violent, oppressive nature of these books are the ‘correct’ way to follow the religion.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
So, then …
Next time we read about a woman being buried up to her chest so that a couple hundred screaming people can throw fist-sized stones at her head, we should shrug and say: “That sharia court who condemned her is not really following the true dictates of Islam.”? And when they’re chopping off limbs for petty theft, instead of condemning it perhaps we should excuse it by looking for wrongs committed by other religions (cuz, you know, moral equivalency justifies everything). And when a local Muslim cleric personally hangs a teenage girl for “promiscuity”, per his reading of the Koran, we should (of course) content ourselves with the knowledge that his interpretation of Islam is obviously flawed?
At what point does a religion and the people who practice it intersect? I mean — is there an atrocity you can imagine that couldn’t be excused by the convenient “That’s not what the religion really teaches” card? If that many people are getting the wrong message, where does one properly place the blame?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
@ThomPayne (409): Exactly. If you have a particular point of view, either noble or ignoble, you can find justification for it in the various bibles. If you want justification for giving to charity and helping the less fortunate, you’ll find it. If you want justification for beating your wife, stoning or raping children, or flying planes into buildings, you’ll find it. The bibles are not inherently good or evil as there are a wealth of contradictions in all of them. There is no correct or incorrect way to follow these religions as all ways of worshipping them can be justified by various passages within them.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Thank you so much J. Frater, for publishing this list. Hope it helps to reduce ignorance of Islam a little, coming from a regular Muslim reader of your lists. Great job.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I agree the faith should not be blamed for the actions of solitary individuals. Every religion has had it’s own problems with extremists. But, I was engaged to a Muslim who was from Pakistan and the plight of women there was not religious it was cultural. He told me that in his country if a woman was raped, there had to be seven witnesses in order for the crime to be prosecuted. This was out of his mouth, so it could be heresay, but he lived there so I take his word for it. Also, a woman whose husband had passed away had to either remarry or the son took control of that property. He said women were not allowed to travel alone without proper supervision. All sorts of things that could be misconstrued as religious in base, this is why some find it hard to separate the religion from the culture. I’ve read the Koran and many other religious texts, I find them fascinating. I don’t think Islam is to blame, just like Christianity wasn’t to blame for things like the Salem Witch Trials and such or the Spanish Inquisition. It all boils down to people, they are the ones who do things they want to do in the name of religion, which is usually against the basic precepts they are following if they really follow their specific religious texts. That is my opinion anyway.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Salam everyone, salam
July 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
I’m reminded of the past. In The USA during WWII Japanese people were called “Japs” and even cartoons portrayed them with buck teeth, thick glasses and extremely slanted eyes. Even Japanese Americans were taken from their homes and placed in interment camps. Many of them lost everything they had. All from stereotyping and hatred.
Germans were called “Krauts” and all of them were thought to be Nazis. More stereotyping and hatred.
During the Cold War between Russia and the USA it seemed as though all the “Bad Guys” in TV and the movies were Russian. There was even a cheesy movie called “Red Dawn” that had the USA invaded by Russians. Some Midwestern teenagers fought back to defend America. More stereotyping and hatred. (There was even a comedy called “The Russians are Coming, The Russians are Coming!”)
Now it seems as though many of the “Bad Guys” in American TV and movies are portrayed as Islamic or Middle Eastern. Let’s see… could it be stereotyping and hatred?
I realize that this comment is based only on my view of history from an American perspective, But I’m quite certain that Japan, Germany, Russia, and many Mid Eastern countries portrayed/portray the USA with the same types of stereotypes and hatred.