In the words of Swiss journalist and author, Roger Du Pasquier “The West, whether Christian or dechristianised, has never really known Islam. Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it. It has been subjected to grotesque distortions the traces of which still endure in the European mind. Even today there are many Westerners for whom Islam can be reduced to three ideas: fanaticism, fatalism and polygamy. Of course, there does exist a more cultivated public whose ideas about Islam are less deformed; there are still precious few who know that the word islam signifies nothing other than ‘submission to God’. One symptom of this ignorance is the fact that in the imagination of most Europeans, Allah refers to the divinity of the Muslims, not the God of the Christians and Jews; they are all surprised to hear, when one takes the trouble to explain things to them, that ‘Allah’ means ‘God’, and that even Arab Christians know him by no other name. “
Misconception: All Muslims are Arabs
The common image of a Muslim is a turbaned dark Arab man with a long beard. However this image is part of the minority of Muslims. Arabs make only 15% of the world’s Muslim population. As a matter of fact the Middle East comes in third with East Asia coming in at first (69%) and Africa (27%) coming in at second. Another common misconception is that all Arabs are Muslims. While the vast majority of Arabs are Muslims (75%), there are many other religions that Arabs practice including Christianity and Judaism.
Misconception: Muslims Hate Jesus
There are many similarities between the historical references of Christianity and Islam. Many people are amazed to find out that according to Muslim belief, Jesus is one of the greatest messengers of God. One cannot be a Muslim without believing in the virgin birth and the many miracles of Jesus Christ. Jesus is also mentioned in many verses of the Quran and is often used as an example of good virtue and character. However, the main difference between Christianity and Islam is that Muslims do not believe that Jesus was God. Pictured above is Jesus in an Islamic portrayal of the last judgement.
Misconception: Children have no rights
Children, according to Islamic law, have various rights. One of these is the right to be properly brought up, raised, and educated. Islam encourages children to be brought up well because it is the responsibility of an adult to raise his child to become a moral and ethical adult. Children must also be treated equally. When giving financial gifts they should all be the same amount and there should be no preference among them. Children are even permitted to take moderately from their parent’s wealth to sustain themselves if the parent declines to give them proper funds for living. A child is also not allowed to get hit in the face or hit by anything larger than a pencil.
Misconception: Islam is intolerable to other religions
‘Kill the infidel’ is the phrase many people believe is the ideology that Muslims have towards the non Muslims. This, though, is not a correct portrayal of Islamic law. Islam has always given respect and freedom of religion to all faiths. In the Quran it says “God does not forbid you, with regards to those who fight you not for religion nor drive you away out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them, for god loves those who are just.” There are many historical examples of Muslim tolerance towards other faith. One such example was when the caliph Umar was ruler of Jerusalem from 634 to 644 AD. He granted freedom to all religious communities and said that the inhabitants of his city were safe and that their places of worship would never be taken away from them. He also set up courts that were designated to the non Muslim minorities. Whenever he would visit holy areas he would ask for the Christian patriarch Sophronius (pictured above) to accompany him.
Misconception: Jihad means to fight for the sake of god
The true Arabic meaning of the word jihad is struggle. However in Islam it is often used to describe the striving in the way of god. There are many forms of jihad but the most important ones are Jihad al-nafs (jihad against ones self), jihad bil-lisan (jihad by being vocal), jihad bil yad (jihad by using action), and Jihad bis saif (jihad by using the sword). Each jihad is ranked differently and it was reported that Muhammad returned from a battle and said “We have returned from the lesser jihad (going into battle) to the greater jihad (the struggle of the soul).” This means that a Muslim struggling against himself and his soul is more important than the jihad of going into war. Another misconception is that only when a person dies in war does that person becomes a martyr. This is, however, false and it is believed that anyone doing anything for the sake of god and is killed becomes a martyr. A person who dies while performing pilgrimage in Mecca, a woman who dies while giving birth, or even someone who dies in a car crash while he was on his way to the mosque are all considered martyrs.
Misconception: The Prophet Muhammad was a pedophile
While it is true that he married a girl that was at the age of nine that does not constitute pedophilia. Historically, the age at which a girl was considered ready to be married has been puberty. This was the case in Biblical times, and is still used today to determine the age of marriage in many parts of the world. This was part of the norm and is not something that Islam invented. The girl he got married to had reached puberty 3 years before marriage. It is upon reaching the age of puberty that a person, man or woman, becomes legally responsible for their actions under Islamic law. At this point, they are allowed to make their own decisions and are held accountable for their actions. It should also be mentioned that in Islam, it is unlawful to force someone to marry someone that they do not want to marry. There is no indication that the society at that time criticized this marriage due to the girl’s young age. On the contrary, the marriage was encouraged by the girl’s family and was welcomed by the community at large.
Misconception: Muslims are savages and barbaric during war
Quite the contrary, when it comes to the conduct of war there are ten rules that every Muslim army must obey:
1. Do not commit treachery
2. Do not deviate from the right path
3. Do not mutilate dead bodies
4. Do not kill children
5. Do not kill women
6. Do not kill aged men
7. Do not harm or burn trees
8. Do not destroy buildings
9. Do not destroy an enemy’s flock, unless you use it for your food
10. When you pass people who have devoted their lives to monastic services leave them alone
During the crusades when Saladin defeated the franks he honored the defeated Frankish army and supplied them with food and during the third crusade when Saladin’s enemy king Richard fell sick, Saladin sent him a gift of fruits and horses.
Misconception: Women have no rights
The image of a woman wearing a veil from head to toe, a woman who gets unfair justice or a woman who is not allowed to drive is an all too familiar notion when it comes to women treatment in Islam. And while there are Muslim countries in the world that do implement many harsh rulings against women, this should not be portrayed as Islamic law. Many of these countries have cultural differences that go against the teachings of Islam. It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence. The birth of a daughter in a family was considered humiliating and the practice of female infanticide was uncontrolled. When Islam came to being, verses in the Quran condemned the practice of female infanticide. Islam gave back many human rights to the woman and Muhammad(s) was even reported saying that “women are the twin halves of men.” A Muslim woman is allowed to reject and accept any suitor for marriage and has the right to seek divorce. There is nothing in Islam that forbids a Muslim woman from exiting her house and is allowed to drive. Also in regards to education, a woman is obligated to seek knowledge and it is considered a sin if she refuses.
Misconception: Islam was spread by the sword
Historian De lacey O’Leary states “History makes it clear however, that the legend of fanatical Muslims sweeping through the world and forcing Islam at the point of the sword upon conquered races is one of the most fantastically absurd myths that historians have ever repeated.” There is no record in history that shows people being forced by sword point to convert to Islam. When Islam spread through countries they would set up private churches and synagogues for the non Muslims they were governing and because of the good treatment they had received they themselves would convert. If one considers the small number of Muslims who initially spread Islam to the west all the way from Spain and Morocco and into east from India and China one would realize that such a small group of people could not force others to be members of a religion against their will. It is also interesting to note that when the Mongols invaded and conquered large portions of the Islamic empire, instead of destroying the religion they adopted it!
Misconception: Muslims are terrorists
This is by far the biggest misconception of Islam, given unfairly by stereotyping and the public image that the media gives. Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’. Many political dictators and officials or extremist groups use the name of Islam as a strategy to garner followers and attention when many of their practices go against the true basis of Islam. The media has also portrayed Islam as a cult or a club where if you join you become a terrorist and that is now part of your agenda. However all over the world people practice Islam in the true form and use it as a way of life. There are many verses in the Quran that go against the idea of terrorism. Some of these verses include “fight in the way of Allah those that fight you but do not transgress limits for god does not love transgressors.” This basically means do not fight except in self defense and even in doing so do not go beyond defense. Another verse states “if they seek peace, then you seek peace,” which means do not attack people for no reason or kill innocent people. There is nowhere in Islam, whether it be in the Quran or the teachings of Muhammad, that promotes the killing of innocent people. Pictured above is a conference of Muslims against Terrorism.
The main point is … how ANYONE can believe the story of one idiot hiding in the gave year after year, getting crazy and start telling stories. What are hi’s proofs of ANY ‘good’? He was a piece of camel *****. You people are idiots!
oh no you didn’t!! What proof do you have?
you aren’t even half the man he was! (pbbuh)
I bet you didn’t even read much of his life, which is probably why you call him an idiot. Michael Hart ranked him as the #1 influential person in history.
sorry this is all a bunch of bull. wether you like it or not islam is evil
You sound like hitler
yea n ur 2 narrow minded mate…
Thanks for compiling this.
i thought all this stuff was obviously not true. However Islam was in certain places such as northern india spread by the sword. This is however contrary to the tenets of Islam.
Thanks for this list. I'll try to see the truth of these – whether they are misconceptions or not. And that's a start and a positive reaction to your list. For now, though, when one sees Muslims rioting in the streets over cartoons, but hears nary a peep from them when fanatics behead someone – this is where these "misconceptions" are rooted. When I start to see Muslim fanatics being "excommunicated" for being unfaithful to the Quran, as in the case of killing women and children in 9/11 and elsewhere, when they are guilty of perpetuating these misconceptions, then I will begin to feel much more charitable towards Muslims. And I'm not a Christian, Jew, or a part of any other organized religion.
No Muslim has the authority to “excommunicate” anybody else. We have no patriarch that can decide to that extent over people’s faiths.
You completely fail to see Magnumto’s point of view…just saying
God says in the Quran, “Do not go to extremes in your religion” and religion in general, is meant to be whatever you believe in, not only your faith, but the way you live and what you believe in, is your religion.
A Muslim, means a Surrender-er to god, or to the governing force…And inorder to call your self a Muslim(note the capital M, we can talk about the difference betweena amuslim, and a Muslim, later though), then you must compile to the Quran and the teachings of Muhammed(two separate things).
So if the Quran says in many verses not to harm, and says” and so, if you reach out with your hand to me , in order to harm me, i will not harm you, for i fear Allah” and in different verses emphasising the concept of do no harm, if god says that, and i as a muslim dont compile, then i simply cant be a Muslim.
I can claim to be a Muslim though, that doesn’t mean i am one, and it doesnt mean that this is what islam teaches.
If you ignore all these facts, then you are goingto extremes, and you are not being reasonable.
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It is a pleasure
Do you really think that the people behind 9/11 are “the muslim communities” or the religion of Islam? Do you hold Islam and all muslims responsible for 9/11? You must know better than that…
You should read the comments from “Infidel”. They cite actual references in the Quran and other Islamic holy books that expresses the promotion of barbaric acts in Islam. You can read these sections in the Quran yourself to see if it’s true. His comments effectively undoes all of the above points with quotes from the Quran itself! PLUS, of course, many historical incidents that show the above points to be a trendy misconception… if not lie. This includes the Islamic barbarism and atrocities on a very wide-spread scale that instigated the much-criticised Crusades.
Instigated the crusade? Maybe you need to re-look your literature. Plus, it’s all about the context. I’m sure you could otherwise apply the bible verse about homo*****uals “they have forfeited their lives” to all “criminals”. Context is king my friend.
Context is king indeed. Like the context that the Crusades mark the only interruption of large-scale Muslim offensives on Europe until the end of the 17th century.
Geopolitically and strategically, the Crusades were a counter-attack.
"Great list"? Have you people read the Qu'ran instead of just accepting what someone says? Have you looked into Muhammad's life and acts?
"As a medical diagnosis, it is defined as a psychological disorder in which an adult experiences a *****ual preference for prepubescent children". Muhammad married Aisha when she was around six. That is hardly what I would call a woman who has reached puberty. And based on his example, there are Islamic clerics today who say that it is OK to marry a 9 year old girl.
Now, during Muhammad's time, Islam was tolerant of other religions when he was a nobody trying to convince people to join him; once he had gone to Medina and gathered strong support, his discourse changed, and now people had to be converted… or else. And while it is true that later there were places that tolerated Christians and Jews and others, they had to pay heavy taxes for the privilege of maintaining their religion. Try to do that now, taxing Muslims in Christian countries, and see if you are not branded as intolerant. And what about calling Christians and Jews pigs and monkeys, and calling for their deaths in the Qu'ran? Is that tolerance? Is that peace?
And what about the conquest of the Iberian peninsula, Constatinople, the Balcans, etc.? Didn't the expansion of Islam stop in Europe not because people didn't decide to convert, but as a result of battles (e.g.: Battle of Tours)?
There are many more insights regarding Islam that you can find elsewhere in the Web, or if you spend time reading about Muhammad's life and the Qu'ran.
Pac
PS: I'm an atheist, by the way
Now wait a second. The 'expansion' of Ottoman Empire or Arabs doesn't have that much to do with the religion itself – Greeks were expanding, Romans were conquering, Crusaders, Mongols…and it was rarely peacefully. It's a commonplace in human history.
As for calling someone a 'pig', it's aggressive and militant, but it's not exclusive to Islam. The holy books such are Quran, Bible, Talmud were written 1000,2000,3000 years ago. They're full of blood-spilling, pre-arranged marriages and other things that should be treated nowadays with a grain of salt.
Religious devotees are interpreting the holy books in various ways: some are peaceful and loving, some are very militant and full of hatred. You have an entire spectrum in the history of Christianity, as well as in Islam. Surely, there are some horrific things going in some Middle-Eastern countries, but that's politics under the mask of religion. Nietzche's philosophy and the term of 'ubermensch' were horribly used by Hitler. The idea that 'a worker should control production' was horribly used in Eastern Bloc. There's nothing inherently wrong with (any) religion itself. It's all down to the God-human relationship, peace, respect and LOVE.
'Just look at them. And they call themselves Muslims.' – after witnessing a public execution of a woman in Kabul, by Khaled Hosseni (read some of his books).
I know many Muslims – I live on the Balkan peninsula. (I also met many Pakistanis while working abroad). If you show just a bit of RESPECT and admiration for their culture and tradition, they will give you the same back, hundred times more. Come to think of it, I never met a Muslim person that I dislike.
Perhaps you did, but you know, the ratio between nice chaps and *****s is more or less the same in every corner of the globe.
Mr. Moris, I salute you for not being biased.
Islam conquered 3/4s of the old Christian world.
Try to spin it anyway you like but it was conquered by the sword in the name of Islam by Muslims.
Then do you have anything to say about the Crusades?
I understand the need to crusade in Outremer. It's initially to help emperor Alexius Comnenus 1 against the Turkish incursion. But what of the Teutonic crusades at Lithuania and neighbouring states? What's the point? To spread Christianity, yes?
No. Actually Christianity was in places like Egypt (Copts), the Middle East and Africa long before mohammed came around. In fact, Christianity came into being in the Middle East and North Africa and then spread to Europe, long before your 'Prophet' was even born – the crusades started in order to fight against the muslims which started their invasion of Europe in the 700's AD and which lasted for about 800 years. Europeans also didn't like those raids much, you know, your Barbary Pirate raids of European towns during which thousands of people were kidnapped and sold into slavery… There's a book about it called "White Gold" – a guy escaped and told the story of how horribly they were treating the slaves. They even used to castrate the black slaves… And right now muslims (government sponsored Janjaweed) are killing off Africans in Darfur, calling them "abd" ie "slaves".
And swords may not be used as much these days… But I guess that's what suicide bombers, shoe bombers, car bombings, hijacked planes etc are for, isn't it?
There is a huge amount of information about all these muslim invasions and atrocities starting in the 7th century against Arabs, Meccans, Copts in Egypt and Nubia etc. until present on HistoryOfJihad [dot] org.
What about the genocides in Armenia, Albania and other countries? They destroyed temples and slaughtered 10 million Hindus in India during the Hindu Kush, which means "Hindu Slaughter"… Islam has left 270 MILLION people dead in about 1,400 years – that's over 193,000 people dead for every year of islam!
9/11 was a genocidal act and the 3,000 Americans who were killed are the real martyrs…
Crusades from the 1200's have been over for centuries, however 'jihad' is currently ongoing and even getting worse. Right now, facebook jiihadis are inciting the genocide of whites, especially in South Africa. Go ahead – Google it.
right ON!!!
Blood spilling eg a guy killing his brother (bible) is different from saying "kill everyone who disagrees with what I say" (islam).
Qur'an:
“Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them.” (2:291)
“Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allâh” (2:193) “The vilest of animals in Allâh’s sight are those who disbelieve.” (8:55)
“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their fingertips off them.” (8:12)
“Verily, the unbelievers are unclean.” (9:28)
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the JIZYA with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
Hadith:
“Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” — Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177
But there’s never room for apostasy from Islam: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Sahih Bukhari 9.84.57
if you look at it closely chapter 8 (Surah Al-Anfaal) and chapter 9 (Surah At-Taubah) are chapters with the context of a situation at war..read the whole chapter first and see what its really about..most people that hate Islam use these verses as a justification that Islam is all about slaying,killing,etc. when its totally the opposite! In my opinion interpreting verses from holy books (not just the Qur’an) must be read and seen as a whole, not just bits of pieces of words,not to mention the context of the verses,if needed with theologists/scholars so they’ll give you a more thorough,enlightening explanations..cheers
p.s: I’m a Muslim living in a diverse, multi ethnic, multi-cultural, multi-religious country called Indonesia, a young nation that always give its best effort to sustain peace and harmony..
First, there are no holy books in Islam, other than the Quran, the book of final revelation.
The rest of books are either the Hadith (Tradition, and prophets sayings, which vary, some are true some aren’t), and different books for scholars.
Now comming to the important part, where you get some (incomplete) verses form the Quran, or you take some verses out of context and start waving it at peoples faces to prove that islam promotes violence…I write the following:
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“Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them.” (2:291)
First of all….The reference is not correct, and this is only part of the verse!
unless you have a new Quran i dont know about?
The correct reference and verse are:
(And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.) 2:191
Now before we get to the meaning, you will probably find different transliterations, by different scholars, yet these are not the word of god, they are only an attempt to translate the meanings of the word of god, which is not the same case with the bible for example, where you will find different versions, and all are supposedly the word of god.
Now to the meaning:
This verse, is concerned with the muslims, that were thrown out of their houses( for embracing islam), where their rights where taken away from them, and where chased out of Mekka, more yet, they occupied their houses.
God Tells the muslims, that are in a fight or war with these “transgressing” infidels, to fight them back, and to throw them out of where they previously threw them out, in otherwords, take back their houses…So yes, they were given the right to fight back in order to protect themselves! Nothing is more fair and just than that.
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“Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allâh” (2:193)
Again incomplete, and out of context. The correct version goes as follows:
(And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.) 2:193
Meaning: This comes in the same context of the previous verse, where the muslims are being fought and discriminated for embracing islam, so god permits muslims to fight back in order to have their rights of practicing Islam freely and not to be transgressed upon for their religion, and he makes it clear with “And religion should be only for allah” meaning that religion is only for god and not for them…Which is everyones right, to practice his or her own religion freely.
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(Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.) 8:55
If you you take the time to read the following verse in order to understand why god makes this metaphor:
(who make promises but break them every time, and who have no piety.) 8:56
I think the reason is clear, and god states clearly to whom he makes this resemblance!!!
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“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their fingertips off them.” (8:12)
Again, incomplete verse…The complete one goes as follows:
([Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”)
Self explanatory, but let me elaborate:
In this verse, and in relation to the rest of the verses in the same context, god is reminding the believers how it is he who helped them, when they were in war with the disbelievers who were fighting them, and hence they were using their right in fighting back to protect themselves, they were much much less in number and they were scared, so god supports them with a thousand angels : (When ye sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): I will help you with a thousand of the angels, rank on rank.) 8:9
And not only that, but god makes the disbelievers scared deep dowb in their hearts, even though they are greater in number.
In this verse god is teaching people, that your power of belief in god, is much stronger than what you expect…That if you believe in god, you will always have god on your side supporting you.
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“Verily, the unbelievers are unclean.” (9:28)
Incomplete, the complete and the translation is not correct the arrabis says” in al moshrekeen” meaning, the Idolaters or the polytheists, not the “disbelievers”!!!
(O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.) 9:28
Muslims must clean themselves if they have are unclean, and perform abolution which is another process that includes cleaning up, before entering the Masjid Al Harram, or the holy mosque in mecca. Idolaters, who take idols and several gods, as god explains are unclean, and hence must not enter this holy place, which is a place where only one god “Allah” is worshiped and praised.
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(Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.) 9:29
Finally!!! The only complete verse, “infidel” quotes!
In Islam a muslim is obliged to pay ” zakat” which is a determined percent of anything he owns such as income, money, agricultural production… etc., in any form he wishes, to the “general safe”.
The zakat is a form of tax on everything a muslim owns…in order to recieve public services, just like nowadays!
Now non muslims cannot be obliged to pay Zakat, because they are not believers, so god asks us to collect in a country ruled by muslims, a Jizyah, which is a determined amount of money (tax) inorder to receive the same services a Muslim receives….In other words…All must pay taxes, yet a muslim pays more , since he pays for different things…So all must pay taxes.
Now non muslims or disbelievers , who refuse to pay this tax, god asks us to fight them untill they go back to paying the tax!!! Fair enough?
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Now this is all what “Infidel” had to quote from the quran, and i hope i have been able to make things clearer for every one….
If you still have more questions, please feel free to contact me via email:
im-hadidi@live.com
Have a nice day.
Listen sir pac , u said:Have you people read the Qu'ran instead of just accepting what someone says?
and what im sure about is that u have no idea about the Quran, sorry sir, but it's the truth,
in Islam , calling people monkeys or … is forbiden, got it , FORBIDEN BY GOD,
last thing, It's forbiden in Quran book to kill others, u said Quran calling for their death, have u read Quran?, no, so ur problem sir is that u r repeating things , stereotype,
i invite u sir, not only to read Quran, just read the list again, cuz u r like a one who didn't get the lesson
pleaz sir do it, and im sorry if i let myself drop in, thankyou, FACEBOOK account Rhayem Zenata
Yes Rahim we probably shouldn't just believe what people say and I've read it… Like you said, people should read the truth about the quran, the hadith, sunnah etc. Regarding the pigs and apes bit:
What about the three places where Allah refers to UNBELIEVERS as APES and/or SWINE: Qur’an 2:63-66; 5:59-60; and 7:166? Some more quotes:
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the JIZYA with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.” — Qur’an 9:29
“Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know.” — Qur’an 8:60
There’s always room for ahadith:
“Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. “O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him.” — Sahih Bukhari 4.52.177
But there’s never room for apostasy from Islam: “Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.” — Sahih Bukhari 9.84.57"
http://sheikyermami.com/2010/12/07/imam-rauf-cant…
BTW "People of the Book" means Jews and Christians.
What about the three places where Allah refers to UNBELIEVERS as APES and/or SWINE:
Qur’an 2:63-66 as well as 5:59-60 and 7:166?
I guess this is what they mean by "TAQQIYA" aka "holy deception" or "holy hypocrisy", huh?
I know quite a bit about the quran and I also know about "KITMAN", which refers to lying about or hiding your muslim faith.
I know about the HIJRA, or immigration doctrine – a book named "Modern Day Trojan Horse: Hijra – immigration doctrine" – it is the way mohammed took over Mecca; by signing a peace treaty with the Meccans, then having muslims immigrate there in order to boost their numbers in preparation for jihad before attacking them and taking over Mecca. It's a 1,400 year old strategy.
Then there's JIZYA aka infidel tax which is basically like the mafia's 'protection money' scheme. It is used to humiliate and bankrupt infidels and to fund jihad. If infidels want to keep their faith and cannot or will not pay jizya, they are to be killed.
We're not as stupid as you think, so don't come lying to us. Or maybe YOU're someone who just doesn't really know islam, the quran and sunna (sura/sira and hadith).
Tayyep Erdogan (I think it was him) said: "there's no such thing as moderate islam. Islam is islam and that's it."
"they had to pay heavy taxes"…….yeah they were paying taxes in return for the protection of them and the city from outside raids..
Yup. Jizya. Intended to humiliate and bankrupt infidels and finance jihad.
Thats bull and you know it. Because if what you’re saying is true, then all the obtained taxes were used by the armed forces which isn’t true at all.
good for you being atheist, you don't need to worry about hell and heaven
well thanx for the enlightenment. Now tell us more about your own beliefs.
Life in a theocratic muslim state:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article…
Thank You, all these idiots on here praising this barbaric religion of hate.
Wow, you are truly dumb if you think that this is the way of Islam.
In regard to women's rights, how 'bout this verse?
Qur'an 4:34: "Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."
Before anyone asks, by the way, I'm an agnostic.
Lelia Thomas, the words in Qoran is not the way we actually interpreted it. Beat them? Beat shoudnt be painful as we cant even pull up our hand while beating them and we cant go higher than the hips to beat. In other way, its not to make u feel the pain.
Arabic is the most complex and beautiful language. The worse thing is someone who doesnt know Arabic misinterpreting texts! the term used doesnt mean BEAT! educate yourself
Saying a language is the most beautiful is totally subjective as Arabic sounds to me like someone trying to hock a loogie. And it is also not the most complex.How about the most spoken language in the world, Mandarin, which is a very tonal language.
I’m sorry, is this a debate about the EXTENT to which men should beat women? Members of the Islamic community who claim that ‘oh but it’s only lightly and not above the hips’ aren’t doing themselves any favours. Where in these comments are the muslim women weighing in on this issue? It is only the men defending this practice.
Do you know how is the *Beating* performed, of course not, you only know what you are told, the *Beating* is by using the Miswak *A thin wooden stick as long as you finger*, and by literally just tapping on her body, please before posting anything, back up your facts, Islam consists of the Qur'an & The Sunna ( Prophet Muhammad's teachings), so don't take the line out of the greater context.
I am sorry if I offended you by saying "You only know what you are told", please excuse me as I was a bit frustrated because you only posted the part from the Qur'an, again I apologize.
Listen to yourself. Apologizing for beating women. Making excuses that its just a small stick. We treat our slaves well, therefore slavery is ok.
Go read the Old Testament, then. It outlines very specifically the rules for beating slaves and exactly how much it will cost you to replace one if you happen to kill your neighbor's slave while you are beating her or him.
They don't treat them all well: Muslim slave masters used to castrate their black slaves.
Not to mention that the barbary pirates (north african muslims) used to raid European towns and attacked ships, taking thousands of slaves during some of the raids. An estimated 1 million Europeans were taken into slavery by the muslims.
PS according to islam, men are slaves and women are concubines, ie. *****-slaves.
Ahh what a wonderful argument. My slave owner is better than your slave owner!
“A thin stick … the lenght of his finger”
- That’s what she said!
excuse me! I think the point here is that it’s still seen as perfectly ok to beat a woman in the first place. Ok, you’re saying that it’s not painful and only with a very thin rod (ask those who were caned in school how painful this is…) the point is still, it’s perfectly ok to humiliate a woman and then justify it by saying “oh, no, it’s ok, I didn’t hit her VERY HARD”. I have nothing against islam, my brother in law is muslim and treats my sister with the utmost respect and love. I am not anti-islam but I think we need to recognise that there ARE human rights abuses carried out against women in the name of islam. It’s a pity because I don’t think Islam is a bad religion at all, but it’s PR needs a little bit of work…
Lelia Thomas: I respect the fact that you mention you are agnostic but please when you quote the Quraan please use the proper translation. You seem to have omitted a very important word after" BEAT THEM". I f you knew Arabic which I know you don't from your comment, the translation should be "beat them lightly" like how you would smack a child if he or she was being naughty and which is the last resort. I hope that makes sense to you
So it’s ok to beat them as long as you don’t do it hard enough to cause great injury? That is absolutely disgusting. Just making excuses for something that is clearly wrong and insulting to women.
el-quran is Allah’s word just like the holy bible !!!!!
It mentions that it goes both ways as well.
Yah, but is ok to stone to death a woman for having ***** outside marriage. BTW i’m atheist by believe and Christian according baptism.
you dont be a christian by baptism(infant baptism)…look through the bible you don’t see evidences of infant baptism…only through the belief of a person with a mature mind makes you a christian
Sure! beat them, just keep it lightly, you know? It’s not like you can talk to a woman and she will listen to reason!…
BTW: yeah, I speak Sarcasm fluently
Reasons! Nobody would even care for reasons when something is obvious. you’re right. Wrong is still wrong. But who usually gives reasons (excuses) all the time? :p I’m agree, wrong is wrong, good is good no matter what the reason behind it. When it says to obey, then no other reason should be accepted. ^_^
Seriously. Your saying it’s alright to beat women as long as you do it lightly. You must be kidding me . And get with the times women are not small children and they shouldn’t be disciplined as if they are. Your disgraceful.
beat them *lightly*… ooooh, well that’s ok then…
Hi Leila, i’m a pure christian which is my childhood belief. I live in Indonesia, the largest moslem population in the world.
Concerning about the women’s rights, i think Islam has the most righteous way in practice while christianity had the same idea but then most christians lost some part of it as a result of western modernization.
Whatever written in the Qur’an was in order to respond what was happened at the time qur’an first introduced. So it’s wether related to the recent situation in the first era or it’s meant literally. The last one, it was a part of the culture.
If we talk about the beating in the verse you mentioned, let’s take a look of one chapter in Christian bible when Jesus Christ stopped the jewish people who wanted to throw stones at an adulterer woman. So it was a part of the culture you can never change or make any complain against. Not only in arabian culture, but in the jewish culture as well.
In that chapter Jesus said whoever doesn’t have sin is allowed to throw stones at the woman. Well nobody was sinless, so the woman was saved.
I have one chapter from the bible which i believe Islam has the same idea concerning this women’s thing :
1 Peter 3:5-6 (NIV)
5 For this is the way the holy women of the past who put their hope in God used to adorn themselves. They submitted themselves to their own husbands, 6 like Sarah, who obeyed Abraham and called him her lord. You are her daughters if you do what is right and do not give way to fear.
My main issue with your comments are you are quoting something and taking it literal. I wouldn’t read a txt book from 5 years ago and take what’s said to be literal. I personally dot not subscribe to any particular faith and have my own belief system, but was raised to be Christian.
I don’t dislike or have a problem with any faith and respect ppls rights to follow their beliefs. I fail to understand the animosity religion seems to inspire in some “believers” most faiths have many ideas and themes that are very noble and full of wisdom. The problem in my opinion is more with people who seem to through most likely cultural traditions or lack of education use religious texts as justification to commit terrible acts, or choose to subscribe to obscure twisted parts of their faith but not the 99% of it saying be good, don’t hurt others.
I’m in no way biased, my mother is Christian but caring, kind and only cares if someone is a gd person. My fiancé is Muslim and the most intelligent wonderful person Ive ever known, with a lovely caring family. They both in my mind represent truly what both faiths strive for. For you to be a good person and spend your life doing good. If there is a heaven I believe both of them will go there. People reciting two thousand old texts as justification for acting in a bad way will not.
“Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion. . .”
Well that could mean adultery. As far as I know there isn’t a verse in the Koran about stoning adulteress and adulteres to death that was taken from the Judaic Torah. so technically desertion could mean adultery and the punishment could very well mean to admonish them, leave them alone in the sleeping places and beat them instead of killing them with stones like the Bible instructs Christians and Jews.
I don’t think its alright to beat anyone up, women, men, children, elderly but its an alternative to stoning them to death for a crime such as the Bible demands. I mean the Bible tells parents to murder their children for not obeying them.
muslims ARE terrorists I don`t care what this says, its wrong. and a jihad is a holy war such as the crusades.
Do you even know what Jihad is? Jihad isn't Holy War you retarded monkey prick. Jihas means struggle in the way of god, such as deciding on doing the good and right thing, or defending yourself when someone tries to rob your house and kill you.
Call it what you want.
The goal if Islam, clearly stated throughout the Quran, is to dominate the world. That's what Islam means by peace – world domination. To do that it states that everyone must be converted, subjugated or killed. It states that deception and murder of civilians is acceptable and necessary. It states that it is not acceptable to kill innocents, but then anyone who does not accept Allah is guilty – in other words non-muslims are fair game for slaughter. The translation of Jihad is struggle. Most muslims do not act on the instructions in the Quran, however, those that do are never condemned by those that don't.
Anyone who did not accept Allah AND oppress the acceptors are Guilty.
Anyone who did not accept Allah And tolerates the acceptors are Innocent.
Savvy?
dude…you are SO paranoid… if you read the bible, the TORAH or whatever , you'll find the same kind of message and form of language (if you think only the Quran is so evil or brutal) …from what i see your comments are just to ignite hatred, not through facts and academic research.. maybe you got dump by a muslim girl or sumthin..maybe got molested by a sikh dude when you were a boy which you mistaken for a Muslim (no offense sikhs, just trying to make a point on his ignorant here..), and then you thought from then on that every Muslim is out to get you… typical hater…heck maybe you even hates your mother and whines everyday while living in the basement still, with your MOM… and please don't say you're an atheist after this just to claim that your opinions are unbiased coz atheists just dont give a damn about other religions… its just you…yeah you're a gay prick!! and a loser too! nuff said
i am atheist and have read the Christian bible, the Torah, the Satanic bible, the Pearl of Great Price and the Book of Mormon, the Vedas, The Talmud, The Qu'ran and afew books on native american religion. dont say that dont give a damm about other religions. i have read each cover to cover trying to understand other peoples beliefs and to be honest, all of them contradict them selfs. i am tolarent. i am also young (19) and just interested.
i have a question to put to you. this works for any of these holy books but as an example when mohamed maried a 9 year old girl that was acceptable culturarly in those days. but no more. so why is an intire religion bassed on out of date teachings. im not saying the religion is bad or wrong but would it not be better to live your life by a set of morrals which most religions agree on anyway, even if there in different books, rather than live your life by rules of a 1000+ years ago.
please ignor spelling errors.
You’re an ignorant, biased, SOB.
"Jihad isn't Holy War you retarded monkey prick. Jihas means struggle in the way of god"
Then why is 97% of jihad in the Koran of the violent kind?
The Crusades were started by the Christians. The Christian soldiers (according to my Christian professor at U of M) raped and pillaged constantly while this behavior was very limited in the Muslim armies.
As far as terrorism goes, it is also terrorism for a government to invade a country to preempt an attack, grab land or natural resources, or to establish a colony for people you like. The fact that you have been taught to hate Muslims is the reason that you think they deserve this treatment.
I believe in the same principles for all people. Examine your principles: okay to kill Muslim civilians but not Westerners. Wrong, it's not okay to kill civilians –period.
haha i'm thinking you wife/husband is out in war. no wonder your so ticked off and ignorant
riiiight….and you’re the queen of england.
Even though you say you believe that no matter what, you really don’t believe it 100%. You cannot know what it means to follow Islam, what it means to be Muslim unless you are a Muslim or follow I slam. I am neither and I still have no idea what it is to be Muslim or to follow Islam. I’m trying to understand, so I can help quell the stupidity and ignorance of our country to other widespread religions.
Not all Muslims are Terrorist you ignorant, undereducated fool!
Sadly, you knowledge is limited to the media, so you’ll never learn and you’ll never think for yourself.
Good list and quite enlightening. However, how many of the ten rules at number 4 were broken on September 11 2001?
All the rules were broken and are still being broken. I dont take side of those terrorists who did that but I don't take side of what Bush did as well. He bombed Iraq and Afghanistan and killed thousands of people. Why didnt he provide evidance to the afghan govt againt usama? why didnt no weapons of mass distructions were never found from Iraq? Is this what you call war on terror? or should i say war of terror? on 9/11 only hundreds of civilions died but after that till today in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan thousands lost their lives. Everyone blames Islam for those 9/11 attacks but no one blames christanity for attacks on muslim soils, why? Howcome the same Jihadis turned against america who were their allies against Russia?
Think Think and Think hard
and what makes you believe that WHO EVER took part of the 9/11 attacks were Muslim? it is against our religion to do anything like that so just because i kill another human being and say that my ‘religion’ has told me to do it just not justify the fact that i did it..it also doesn’t mean that who ever hears this has to go out and hate comment on everything written about what ever religion i claimed to be because last time i checked no religion encourages killing so who ever kills people even if its a man claiming to be Muslim or Christian or some guy out of a mental institute or even someone who just does it for the kicks; does not kill because some faith or belief is fueling him but he does it because he wants to harm other people..these people should be held responsible for it..its like saying a mass murderer is doing it because his pet cat told him to do it..so yeah 9/11 attacks were wrong and who ever did it should be punished accordingly but leave faith,belief and religion out of it because the motives of these people were not fueled by any of it
Sorry, i just need to get this out there because while you are both on somewhat of the right track you are seriously misinformed.
As for the war in afghanistan, at the time, they WERE harboring Osama Bin Laden and not cooperating in the search. And when I say THEY, i dont mean the average citizen, but the government of afghanistan and Pakistan, who were far from helpful in bringing this evil man and his organization to justice.
As far as the 9/11 attacks are concerned. How do i know the terrorists subscribed to the Islamic Faith… uhhhh, because they did. There is no doubt that there interpretations and subsequent actions were horrific and misguided, but have no doubt, what they were interpreting was Islam. That is not to say that Islam is a barbaric religion, ill stay away from that one because to be honest, i probably don’t know enough about the Qu’uran etc to have a real, justified opinion. That being, said, interprety the religion all you want, but when it comes to FACTS such as those of 9/11 terror attacks and subsequent foreign affair actions, you cant just decide what parts your gonna listen to and what your gonna ignore. EDUCATE YOURSELF. with that in mind, i intend to learn a little more about the religion so that if it ever came up again, i could form my own, valid and justified opinion.
Oh, and not that it matter, but I am canadian. My mother is jewish by birth and my father muslim but we practice nothing. Hows that for a melting pot?
Great list. I sent this same list a couple of months ago but then it was overlooked. You can find these in book 'Islam: your birth right' & many other issues clarified.
As for DeBakey (33)
Muslims in majority oppress all others. LOl, ever heard of the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Bahrain, Jordan, Pakistan etc. ? Give me one well-documented case of oppression against other religions by us. Also, ever heard of a country named India, where muslims are burnt & oppressed routinely, christians are harrased, raped & killed daily, where sikhs are prejudiced aginst since god knows when. But of course, no one talks about it in the whole goddamned world. Why? Because the media has more important issue (of ISLAMIC terrorism/extremism/fundementalism) to discuss. Ever wonder why those hindus who far exceed muslims in extremism are never blamed? Because the media can only see muslims. Ever wonder why the hindu religion is never questioned or their beliefs made fun of? Because no one wants to.
As for your idea that they create trouble, chechnya has asked for independence or atleast autonomy & i think any one can ask for independence. So when the eastern european countries came into being & broke away from the USSR, did you say they create trouble? No, no one said anything.
Kashmir. Do you even know why kashmir is such a hot issue? The story goes as follows. When the time of independence for the subcontinent (india/Pakistan) came, it was decided that every region would decide for itself. So, when west bengal & hyderabad, with hindu majority said that they will join India, their muslim ruler said otherwise & tried to join pakistan but Pakistan didn't allow them because it was agreed that the decisions will be made by the majority. So, when Kashmir, with muslim majority, said they will join Pakistan, its sikh ruler said otherwise & made them join idia (or rather, was presented with no option but to join india). Pakistan cried foul over this & Pakistani Pathans from N.W.F.P hurried & conquered half of kashmir which is known as Azad kashmir (free kashmir) today. U.n has passed numerous resolutions saying that a refrendum/plebiscite should be conducted under the auspices of the U.N, but india has turned a deaf ear to all of these. See any double standards over here ? Ofcouse, ignorant & stupid people like you find it easy to blame.
Furthermore, when it is said said that Muhammad (p.b.u.h) married Ayesha (r.a) when she was nine, it means they had a nikah when she was 9. Nikah is a pledge of marriage & after nikah, you can marry the girl after as much time as wanted or said. Their Marriage was when she was older.
So, learn to be respectful of other religions & don't blame it without reason/proof.
pak bhai … it seems that you have been brought up in those madrassas where only hatred and false views about india are taught .
Exactly,Iam Pakistani myself(though not a muslim,but agnostic),And I love my indian brothers and sisters.I dont get why do educated people like this guy have to promote hate towards india.Their government is flawed in some ways,just like ours.That doesn't mean you should pick on them.
A documented case of oppression by an Islamic state: Iran. More recently, Egypt.
first things first Islam was NEVER a religion of tolerance or peace. I am sick and tired of this constant ignorance being spewed forth almost everywhere-just look at a history book to see what I mean
-Muslims invading Greece now turkey finally destroying the roman empire in 1453
-Armenian genocide by turks
-amount of native Hindus left in Pakistan
-Iran was dominantly Zoroastrian , virtually none left and those that still are there are SEVERELY persecuted
-Egypt was dominantly Christian with Alexandria being a major Christian center pre-700ad until invaded by Muslim Arabs. now very hard for Coptic Christians
There are many more such incidents with the motive making Islam a global religion. don't believe me? Muslims in minority are rioting in china for a separate state.Cechnian Muslim terrorists in Russia fighting for an independent country . Albanian Muslims successfully managed to take land from Serbia.
these are just a few examples on a wide scale. there are countless more personal accounts of what this so called religion of peace does to people morally
no doubt a lot of "EDUCATED" people reading this quickly think that a lot of these actions are a response to discrimination or would be quick to list a number of relatively few such similar incidents incurred by other cultures/religions. to this I say that of all the dominant faiths of this world only Islam promotes violence and physical dominance consistently . all the other dominant ones are religions of peace.
finally I do not hate Muslims people I find many are incredibly good people. I only hate the religion of Islam
So you hate a religion that calls for peace?
What is meant by "peace" in Islam is "world domination". There will be peace only when all the Kafir have been converted, subjugated or killed. The actions of Muslims do absolutely nothing to make this a more peaceful world, quite the opposite. Islam is not people. Muslims are people who have been infected with Islam. All people have inalienable rights, but ideas do not. All people deserve respect, but their ideas do not.
From where are you getting this nonsense? On one line you say Islam is not people but on the other hand u are judging islam by its people?
if the teachings of islam are not peaceful then why it is the fastest spreading religion on earth at a time when loads of information is available? Do you think all those people are crazy and you are the only wise one left in the world?
And by the way I am from Pakistan. and judging Pakistan by the amount of native hindus left here is a statement of false impressionalist and ignorant. First of all these areas where Pakistan is located were never hindu dominant from the beginning of this century. These areas were muslim majaroty areas who decided to become part of Pakistan and not India. On partition a great migration took place on both sides of borders so alot of hindus left for India and alot of Muslims left India as well. I dont know about other areas u mentioned from round the world so I am not going to comment on those. Prove me wrong if you can.
Keep Pakistan & Indian out of it, nothing that great (migration) has happened ever in recorded history.
Muslims take any land its called terrorism.
Tell me this.
What do u call State of Israel? How it was created?
How british conquered about half the world?
The reason for attacking Iraq & Afganistan?
Lol,o rly dude?
I like that you name says "a state of ignorance".
The land which is being taken from Serbia, is a land that never belonged truly to the Serbians. It was invaded by the serbs way before Islam was a religion in this area. The war is purely a call for freedom from a genocide by the Serbs.
Do not put any argument you hear as a strong argument. It makes you look ignorant.
Muslims in minority are rioting in china for a separate state.
Cechnian Muslim terrorists in Russia fighting for an independent country.
Albanian Muslims successfully managed to take land from Serbia.
Wow, since when did the entire planet belong to Muslims. Perhaps 30% of each country should flock to the Muslim countries and say – I wanna piece of your land – right now. Hmmmm…. the arrogance some people have – or is there more behind it – much like with Palestine and Israel (Palestine won’t be happy even if the Jews packed up today and left Israel – the Palestine would follow them to the other country and claim – just like in China, Russia, Serbia – ‘but I also wanna piece of ya land’. The only thing that comes to my mind is they don’t wanna the land – they wanna world war 3. Seems like what was prophesied in the Bible is eventually coming true, a country from the East will wage war with the rest of the world – seems like the country/people might just be Muslim’s after all. Why else will they go to every country with this behaviour. Seems like the crap they spread on the internet – ‘world war 3 by Dec 2012′ might just happen if Muslim’s keep up with this ‘gimme piece of ya land’ crap. Perhaps the rest of the world should start to ‘wake up’ and smell the roses to the Muslim’s antics.
Honestly, the only true terrorists in this world is the United States. After 9/11, 67% of American people said they supported a retaliation even if it meant innocent people would die. Oh, ok, so it’s not ok for them to kill our innocents, yet it’s ok to kill theirs? Let me guess, because they did it, its fine if we did it? The war propaganda that’s spread in order to gain support for secret special interests. Many terrorists reside in Pakistan, in fact, more there than Iraq and Afghanistan, but we don’t bomb Pakistan. The same Pakistan that we’ve given over $9 trillion in ‘aid’ since 9/11. The United States federal government starts wars and uses their federal control of media to put money in their pockets.
But I’ll be deemed a conspiracy theorist because many of you sheep become slaves to whatever they say on Fox News and MSNBC. Most people are ignorant of the facts and just believe what the government tells them. Why is that? Because the government knows most people are too lazy or apathetic about what they’re saying anyway.
Look at the facts, and you’ll see that the ‘conspiracies’ the government tells you not to pay attention to are far from conspiracies. And the corruption of the US federal government is the biggest conspiracy and most ridiculous show, unfolding in front of our eyes.
How can a country that does not have the nuclear capability or military ability to come to the US or directly affect people on US soil going to be responsible for starting another war? It’s the United States that creates multiple sanctions and tries to police the world that *****es countries off and incites hatred toward us. Am I saying we’re responsible for countries hating us? Absolutely. We’ve bombed and created sanctions with more countries than ever since 2001, and we have less and less allies and more enemies. So you tell me, does this “police the world” “promote democracy” bull ***** actually help our cause?
The FACTS show the opposite. And it isn’t an isolationist policy, it’s a non-intervention policy. Diplomacy and trade creates peace and decreases tension and likely-hood for war between countries. Sanctions and trying to initiate coup’s of whatever country we want increases tension and an overall bad blood.
Long story short- US is the terrorists, and we’re the ones causing a majority of the problems we face around the world. Look at the facts and think outside the box. I’m expecting to be called a conspiracy theorist, because ignorance reigns supreme in this country.
Thank you for your time.
There was a famous Christian Mathematician who did a statistical *****ysis and found that Christians were the most violent of all faiths.
There you go again with your nonsense; WHO was this “famous” Christian mathematician? If you’re going to post something like this at least try to back it up with some facts. Stop posting random “somethings” that you heard “somewheres”.
how bout palestine being taken away slowly by slowly by the jewish?apperently everyone act like its not wrong and even being supported by western.?
Give the Jews back Medina then as they founded it.
I think everyone using this website should stop insulting/degrading/humiliating one another, hopefully everyone using this website is adults, if so then start acting like it. The moral standards off ALL people on earth have deteriorated, irrespective whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, whatever. To change things on this planet we have to start with ourselves first. Trying to tell others to behave like saints while we behave like pigs aint gonna do it. Don’t wait until someone either tells you that you behave badly or complains about it, look at yourself – just like a drug-addict or alcoholic has to admit they have a problem, then go for help, you too need to do it. Many of us come out of broken homes, mixed with bad friends/family members, which in turn caused us to act and be the way we are, sometimes no-one is to blame – though we had good parents we simply turnt out bad. A better way to go about this article is to draw up a list of each others bad behaviour – whether Christian, Muslim, Hindu, Jew, whatever (not insulting,
/degrading/humiliating), then the other can do the same. Why do this ?
It’s simple – sometimes we don’t always see ourselves the way others do, sometimes what we think is ok is not ok for others. This way we can constructively help each other to improve ourselves and tolerate the other. Hope this helps. I am tired of the ‘in order to survive in this world I need to annihilate everyone else’ mentality.
give north america to native americans, give south america to mayans, give australia to natives..
I think the Incas would be really *****ed off if you gave South America to the Mayans!
Woah, Jews did not find Medina. Jews settled down in Medina after being kicked out of there (cue eye roll)
BURN IN HELL
Nonesense. Purely a paranoid, disinformational rant.
“-Muslims invading Greece now turkey finally destroying the roman empire in 1453″
The Catholic Church destroyed the Roman Empire long before Islam was even created. The Turks invaded the Byzantine Empire after it was left virtually destroyed by the Christian Crusaders during the 4th Crusade.
“-Armenian genocide by turks”
One could mention the Moslem genocide by the Inquistors of Spain. One could also mention the genocide of Moslems and non-Moslems during the Colonialization of Africa, Asia, N. and S. America by Christians. The Armenians took sides, they took the side of the British during World War One and created an army against the Turkish Ottoman Empire. The Turks defended themselves.
“-amount of native Hindus left in Pakistan”
There weren’t that many Hindus in that part of the Indian sub-continent, hence the reason the British divided it in that manner. Hindu majority areas went ot India and Moslem majority areas went to Pakistan.
“-Iran was dominantly Zoroastrian , virtually none left and those that still are there are SEVERELY persecuted”
Thats like saying hardly any Pagans left in Europe. Iran offically recognizes the Zorastrian faith.
“-Egypt was dominantly Christian with Alexandria being a major Christian center pre-700ad until invaded by Muslim Arabs. now very hard for Coptic Christians”
Egypt was predominantly Pagan, then the Christians came. Burning down the Library of Alexandria killing the female librarians. Islam managed to save a very small portion of the library, that is how Moslems began their Golden Age from the books that thought science, math, medicine and philosophy. Coptic Christians are responsible for sending the European world into the Dark Ages.
Everyone is rioting and engaging in acts of violence all over the world. The Tibetians, IRA, ETA of Spain, Maoist rebels in India, Native Americans in Mexico. Its not something just Moslems and only Moselms are doing. How do you think israel was created, through acts of charity?
Marxism, Zionism, Fascism, Nazism, Colonialism and Evangelicalism have engaged in viscious acts of violence for world domination, ruthless mass genocides. Ever heard of the Holocaust? Over 2 million Gypsies slaughtered.
islam is the religion of peace.dont teach us history here as we all know it….and ur saying dat muslims r gud but not da religion den ur very wrong…muslims follow the teachings of islam and if u like dem its because of da religion…….islam WAS,IS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE RELIGION WHICH CALLS FOR PEACE!
long time follower. absolutely love your work but alot of this list is not correct. No.8 Your forgetting the fact that islamic girls are not allowed according to islam to get an education. In response to number 7 the simple matter of fact is you can find quotes for peace and for war in the quran just as you can find the odd quote for tolerance but more so you can find quotes telling to 'kill the jews and the people of the book and kill those that do not accept allah'. "It should be noted that during pre-Islam Arabia women were used for fornication only and had no independence." That just shows you islam made some progress over a thousand years ago for women and I congratulate them for it but in the 21st century it is absolutely degrading and humilating. They cant recieve an education, go out in public without a male, talk to strange men, are often covered head to toe in the burka, cant get a job and are forced to have ***** with their spouses (the quran makes the last point very clear) I mean Have you ever seen a women in a veil eating a burger or spagetti? i cried from laughter the last time i saw it. The fact that Muhamad married/slept with a 6/9 year old is a point of disgrace in itself. This was the last messenger from God apparently. The simple matter of fact is for the sake of women/humanitys progress he should not have done it. Islam was indeed spread by the sword. The quran makes several references to muhammads crusades and makes it clear that it was indeed forced upon those in the surrounding areas. In fact its the only religion in history which was done so to such an extent. The list seems like youve got a massive agenda to prove how good and great islam is. Come to my part of London and you'll see the massive amounts of 'good' its doing. This seems like the sort of thing the government would release in leaflet form after a major terrorist attack. You seem to left out a bunch of other possible 'misconceptions' about islam for example about how the penalty for someone leaving the religion according to the quran is death and how a man can have several wives. THis is the first list that ive actually posted on and again for once am not impressed
Hey, did you actually read the article? Because what the author SAID was that cultural problems get in the way of practicing Islam correctly. Girls are encouraged to get educations according to Islam it is their parents' duty to provide education. In fact, many Muslim women I have known have either been in school or highly educated already.
As far as the rest, you're an idiot, don't know what you're talking about, and apparently your modern "values" have left you completely unable to put things in historical perspective.
in what historical perspective is it good to kill 800 jewish men and boys? you're implying that at one time it was ok but now it's not, however we should be tolerant of the historical reasons behind jew slaying and not condemn islam as a bellicose, backward faith.
you are ruining on the killing of 800 my islam but you dont ruin the halocast implied by the fellow christians? And where does in Islam says that girls are not allowed to get education? get the facts right or dont speak nonsense.
And if islam is so bakward then why so many europian and american people are converting to islam every single day? are they all stupid and bakward? This list is for the people just like you who are miscincpetions about islam.
Every single day? I’ve lived in Europe, Central America and all over the US; to this day I don’t know anyone or have ever met a single person that would even consider converting to islam. I don’t even know anyone who knows someone else claiming to want to convert to it. Talk about speaking nonsense.
Um , I’m sorry , but maybe next time, don’t get your information from Wiki.
In the Quran it says that Christianity and Judaism are it’s brother religions. So why should Muslims kill jews?
Oh right, I forgot the information you get from the Media is oh so correct.
Even though marrying a girl who is young is not acceptable now (that also varies from country to country) it was acceptable then, and if you knew anything about other cultures there are african tribes with young brides and it is not unacceptable because it is their culture and who are you to say that it is a horrible act just because its not in your tradition..infact in my country girls get married at about 18 but people in countries such as America would feel that its completely alien to them just because their women get married when they are 30 or something..Also Islam encourages women to get educated and even in my country all women are literate and a lot of girls I studied with who did GCSE’s got brilliance awards and world top awards and our country is 100% Muslim as well as has a Muslim government so the comments on this list are proving that people are infact very misinformed about the values Islam embrace
Did you also know that Aisha, Radi-Allahu anha the wife of prophet muhammad sallal laho alaihi wasallam was the most well educated woman of her time.. I’m guessing none of you know that because you don’t want to believe that these misconceptions are just people taking verses of the Holy Quran out of context..
@jimibauer24 (71):
Very well said. You only need look to Londonstan to see what modern Islam brings to a society.
@mom424 (74):
And you're right about the quote war. The main difference however is that the majority of modern practitioners of Christianity have left "stoning adulterers" and other barbaric treatment of the bible in the dark ages, but followers of the Koran are forced to still live in a world of stoning and other such barbarism as laid on in their ancient holy text.
What is your resort to underage pregnancy? How can you control such sins? There has to be some kind of punishment irght? IN historic times stonning was arranged to strongly convey the message accross hence the punshment of stonning. In recent times its not a hard and fast rule to carry the same way of punishment since Islam does permit its learned followers to discuss and revise such acts according to the state of time and society. The whole idea is to discourage adultary and rape. The punshment methods can be molded.
WHAT??? What exactly are you trying to say??? Are you effing kidding me??? Control such sins??? Has to be some kind of punishment??? I really hope that my simple mind has not reached the real meaning of what you are trying to convey. Otherwise I’m literally speechless! You sir, are exactly the reason why people believe such “misconceptions”. So the solution to discourage adultery and rape is to punish the victim? Regardless how “molded” a barbaric punishment can be? Words fail me…
"Ever since they watched it appear on the world stage, Christians never ceased to insult and slander it in order to find justification for waging war on it."
And how exactly did it appear on the world stage? I would wager that a majority of Christians (or anyone else's, for that matter) introduction to Islam was the result of an Islamic terrorist action.
My question is why there hasn't been a loud vocal outcry from the Islamic community against such actions. Seems to me that if they want to salvage the image of Islam that some concerted effort to set the record straight ought to be widespread. I'm just not hearing this. Is it because of fear? Apathy? Or do moderate Muslims secretly applaud the cause of extremism in order to convert the world to Islam?
Speak up to prove this wrong!
"My question is why there hasn't been a loud vocal outcry …"
Interesting question. I thought I knew the answer – i.e. that basically all Muslims agree with the terrorists. But I just read "Nomad" and there's a passage that explains it a little better, and its actually quite encouraging. The start of the opassage is not available in the preview, but you get the idea. http://books.google.ca/books?id=-jQ-M_Y7vjAC&…
It seems to be a mix of being in denial, having been bought up not to question anything, and being immersed in a community that will inflict harm on anyone who does vocally condemn.
I highly recommend reading "Nomad" if you really want to understand what its like to be bought up inside Islam. Its a wonder anyone gets out.
islam also teaches that anyone who supports the jihadist 'martyrs' (not! their victims are the real martyrs) will be blessed
With you totally…
Well, actually the way it all started was mohammed believed himself to be a prophet, so he went to the Jews, but they didn't believe him. So he started doing his own thing.
After years and years of 'spreading the world of allah', not much happened, he had a couple of family members and neighbours – that is when the spreading by sword started and how it "appeared on the world stage"…
As for moderation – perhaps this reaction is why none of them are speaking up:
Speaking at K***** D TV’s Arena program, [Prime Minster Tayyep Erdogan of Turkey] commented on the term “moderate Islam”, often used in the West to describe AKP and said, ‘These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”
There has been a lot of outcry by Muslims, you’ve just not looked for it, or are looking for it in the wrong places (for example, most newspapers don’t like to say “and here is a normal Muslim mother of 3 with her opinion”, they prefer to go to the most extreme sources instead). There have been protests against terrorism by Imams, Muslim politicians, regular folk, Muslim campaign groups, and all outspoken.
http://www.freemuslims.org
http://www.m-a-t.org <— just the first two links that crop up if you look it up on Google.
I’ve never actually come across some of these misconceptions before – including the one about Muhammad being a pedophile. Good list anyway.
muhhamed peophile whar are u talking about !!! ???? are u crazy or what
He married underage age girls, but theirs no mention of him sleeping with them.
Who are we kidding. This religion might have had good intentions in the beginning, but now for the most part it is an excuse for rape and murder do to the leadership of the religion. I am not generalizing any group but results do speak for them selves. What would you do if Jesus had married a nine year old girl would that be acceptable as well.
Yes, at that time it probably would have been. Are you a Christian? The ira killed many people, and it Is all but forgotten. Thank you for making this list, whoever did this. It should help, but If it doesn’t at least you tried. Islam is a religion as any other, and it deserves respect.
Yes, the IRA killed many people, and here’s an interesting fact: More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland. No Muslim was ever killed by the IRA; in fact, the IRA is known to have had ties with the PLO.
First, there are no holy books in Islam, other than the Quran, the book of final revelation.
The rest of books are either the Hadith (Tradition, and prophets sayings, which vary, some are true some aren’t), and different books for scholars.
Now comming to the important part, where you get some (incomplete) verses form the Quran, or you take some verses out of context and start waving it at peoples faces to prove that islam promotes violence…I write the following:
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“Slay the unbelievers wherever you catch them.” (2:291)
First of all….The reference is not correct, and this is only part of the verse!
unless you have a new Quran i dont know about?
The correct reference and verse are:
(And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith.) 2:191
Now before we get to the meaning, you will probably find different transliterations, by different scholars, yet these are not the word of god, they are only an attempt to translate the meanings of the word of god, which is not the same case with the bible for example, where you will find different versions, and all are supposedly the word of god.
Now to the meaning:
This verse, is concerned with the muslims, that were thrown out of their houses( for embracing islam), where their rights where taken away from them, and where chased out of Mekka, more yet, they occupied their houses.
God Tells the muslims, that are in a fight or war with these “transgressing” infidels, to fight them back, and to throw them out of where they previously threw them out, in otherwords, take back their houses…So yes, they were given the right to fight back in order to protect themselves! Nothing is more fair and just than that.
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“Fight them, until there is no more dissent and religion is that of Allâh” (2:193)
Again incomplete, and out of context. The correct version goes as follows:
(And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.) 2:193
Meaning: This comes in the same context of the previous verse, where the muslims are being fought and discriminated for embracing islam, so god permits muslims to fight back in order to have their rights of practicing Islam freely and not to be transgressed upon for their religion, and he makes it clear with “And religion should be only for allah” meaning that religion is only for god and not for them…Which is everyones right, to practice his or her own religion freely.
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(Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve, then they would not believe.) 8:55
If you you take the time to read the following verse in order to understand why god makes this metaphor:
(who make promises but break them every time, and who have no piety.) 8:56
I think the reason is clear, and god states clearly to whom he makes this resemblance!!!
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“I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: smite ye above their necks (beheading) and smite all their fingertips off them.” (8:12)
Again, incomplete verse…The complete one goes as follows:
([Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, “I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip.”)
Self explanatory, but let me elaborate:
In this verse, and in relation to the rest of the verses in the same context, god is reminding the believers how it is he who helped them, when they were in war with the disbelievers who were fighting them, and hence they were using their right in fighting back to protect themselves, they were much much less in number and they were scared, so god supports them with a thousand angels : (When ye sought help of your Lord and He answered you (saying): I will help you with a thousand of the angels, rank on rank.) 8:9
And not only that, but god makes the disbelievers scared deep dowb in their hearts, even though they are greater in number.
In this verse god is teaching people, that your power of belief in god, is much stronger than what you expect…That if you believe in god, you will always have god on your side supporting you.
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“Verily, the unbelievers are unclean.” (9:28)
Incomplete, the complete and the translation is not correct the arrabis says” in al moshrekeen” meaning, the Idolaters or the polytheists, not the “disbelievers”!!!
(O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise.) 9:28
Muslims must clean themselves if they have are unclean, and perform abolution which is another process that includes cleaning up, before entering the Masjid Al Harram, or the holy mosque in mecca. Idolaters, who take idols and several gods, as god explains are unclean, and hence must not enter this holy place, which is a place where only one god “Allah” is worshiped and praised.
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(Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture – [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.) 9:29
In islam a muslim is obliged to pay ” zakat” which is a determined percent of anything he owns such as income, money, agricultural production…etc, in any form he wishes, to the “general safe”.
The zakat is a form of tax on everything a muslim owns…in order to recieve public services, just like nowadays!
Now non muslims cannot be obliged to pay Zakat, because they are not believers, so god asks us to collect in a country ruled by muslims, a Jizyah, which is a determined amount of money (tax) inorder to receive the same services a Muslim receives….In other words…All must pay taxes, yet a muslim pays more , since he pays for different things…So all must pay taxes.
Now non muslims or disbelievers , who refuse to pay this tax, god asks us to fight them untill they go back to paying the tax!!! Fair enough?
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Now this is all what “Infidel” had to quote from the quran, and i hope i have been able to make things clearer for every one….
If you still have more questions, please feel free to contact me via email:
im-hadidi@live.com
Have a nice day.
Please note that in Islam, you dont have the right to judge people in general, to what they believe in, in other words, if a guy comes and kills someone, i can say that Islam does not order to kill infact it condemns it, but i dont have the right to say that he is not a muslim anymore….Do you get my point?
So what i want to say is, that those who committed the 9/11 bombings (even though i believe it was a pure trick played by the government itself, and i have my reasons and they have theres) anyway, the people who did that, regardless of their religion and regardless of the justifications they make in order to ruin the image of a certain religion, they should be prosecuted and put on trial, my religion has nothing to do with them
“A pure trick played by the government itself”? Are you saying what I think you are saying? If so, I know then you are truly mentally unbalanced. I like to read all your comments and try to educate myself by trying to see your point of view, however by stating “that” all your credibility is out the window. Also, your religion has nothing to do with them? Get real and accept it, take some responsibilty, your religion has EVERYTHING to do with them!
@Picha, Thanks for the compliments, but you do know that 10% of those who died in 9/11 were muslims dont you?
And you do know that Bin Laden, is an “Made in USA” dont you???
Now if you claim anything otherwise, i must say,k you are speaking utter nonsense.
And concerning the point that my religion has everything to do with them….Yes it is very true what you say…Only in your mind, and it will always remain that way as long as you chose to look away from facts, and claim you “Know” the religion.
May god guide you and guide us all to the correct path whatever it should be.
Wow, where to begin? I find your answer to be deeply hypocritical and disturbing. You mention that my views will remain the same as long as I choose to look away from the “facts”. YOU are the one choosing not to look at the FACTS! YOU are truly the one speaking “utter nonsense”! I really can’t believe that you would actually state and believe such distorted views. Let’s take a look at the couple of “facts” that you mention.
1. Number of Muslims killed on the 9-11 terrorist attack: Conspiracy theorist as well as supporters of terrorism have characteristically begun to wildly inflate the number of Muslims killed on 9/11. Nihad Awad of Hamas-linked CAIR even claimed recently that 300 Muslims died in the Twin Towers, or 10% of the total number of victims. (I suppose this is where you get your “facts”) That is, of course, wildly absurd. However, certainly many Muslims were murdered by their jihadist coreligionists; no one is disputing that. The actual number is just over 1% of the total number of victims. NOT 10% or 300 or whatever other figures will be fabricated in the future to try to shift blame from the actual Muslim extremists. The Muslim victims were from all walks of life, ranging from restaurant workers to financial firms employees to one NYPD cadet who bravely died helping others. I do hope for your own sake that you do not count the murdering hijackers towards the total number of victims. So, read along and please don’t respond with more nonsense or other equally insane conspiracy theories such as Israelis, US and other governments involvement in the attacks, or the US letting it happen IOT invade muslim countries, or the Worldwide Zionist movement conducting it so they can take over the world, and so on… I’ve heard them all, and none them add up, they are all based on erroneous or misguided information as well as totally fabricated facts.
2. bin Laden made in the USA: Bin Laden has never had any relations or ties with America or American officials. Claims of relations with CIA or other American departments are all completely unfounded. Since the late seventies he had strong anti-American feelings. He committed himself and family and advised all friends to avoid buying American goods unless it was absolutely necessary. He said very early in the eighties that the next battle was going to be with America. During Operation Cyclone from 1979 to 1989, the United States provided financial aid and weapons to the mujahideen leaders through Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI). Bin Laden met and built a relationship with Hamid Gul, who was a three star general in the Pakistani army and head of the ISI agency. Although the United States provided the money and weapons, the training of militant groups was entirely done by the Pakistani Armed Forces and the ISI. No aid or training or other support have ever been given to bin Laden from Americans. Bin Laden would bring money from individuals donating straight to him. The weapons he had were either captured from the Soviets or bought from other factions. The breaking point for bin Laden and his hatred towards the US was during the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. While the war was starting he offered his help and that of his mujaheddin warriors to the Saudi Government to fight Saddam’s forces; the Saudis however, rebuked him and asked the US and the West for help fighting the Iraqis. The US and allies came, liberated Kuwait and defeated the Iraqi Army. This deeply offended and emotionally disturbed bin Laden (in other words: really *****ed him off), hence his hatred towards the West and the US bloomed to what became an obsession and fanatic idealistic compulsion to commit murder in the name of Islam. The rest of the story? Khobar Towers, embassies in Africa, USS Cole, 9-11. Everybody knows everything else that happened up to this point, I’m sure however you have your own delusional theories and ideas.
3. I never claimed to “Know” the religion (as you say) but I do know enough. I have been to Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and I have experienced culture and “religion” extensively. I have experienced and witnessed horrible and abhorrent things, but I have also experienced good things and forged long lasting friendships from people from these countries, Muslims (Shi’ia & Sunni), Christians, Yezidis, Arabs , Afghans, Kurds, you name it. So please don’t pretend to know me and wish God guides me to the correct path (in your words) “whatever it might be”. We all know what is right and what is wrong, we all know what the “correct path” is, it is only up to us to do the right thing.
Peace
It is another misconception that Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) married a nine year old. Here they are referring to A’isha. According to some historical sources that A’isha was born before Islam. And that Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) did not marry 2 to 3 years after the death of his first wife Khadija. Now, Khadija died about 11 years after Islam. Therefore, this makes A’isha (the 9 year old wife) at least 15 yeas of age when Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) married her if not older
I myself am not Muslim, but some of these misconceptions really irritate me. Thanks for setting the record straight.
Good list- interesting
good list, islam is perhaps one of the most misunderstood things in the western culture, we belive what we hear on he news, no questioning
Very Nice How Much
Its a case of the minority ruining others perceptions of the majority with Islam i think!
Good List!
Here comes trouble!
Interesting, though. I don’t have misconceptions. I have gaps in my knowledge.
Amen!
Astraya… i smell trouble as well..
but thanx a million for the list… it is very close to my heart..
Thanks for posting this up, I think christianity has shed more bloodshed in this world than anything. The crusades were spread by the sword, the Spanish Inquisitions. Could you imagine if TV was honest.
Well if you think if there was no religion then people would stop killing each other, then I think your wrong. People use whatever they can to justify their wars, demonize their enemies, and rally their people. If there was no religion, they would just use other things like race. Take a look at gangs and prisons.
Not quite the same scale as the crusades though, is it? Look at all the conflicts world wide at the moment and see how many are based on religion. The world would be much better off without these fairytales and the fools who believe them.
Ya but even if the Religion is gone there will still be wars waged against countries like political parties like Hitlers Fascism or Stalin’s kind of a “Perfect Communist Country”
ya, totally agree with you. some of them especially the ignorant chinese christian in east show no respect to others religions, while muslim are more tolerance. thumbs up for muslim on this point.
Good job showing your tolerance and understanding towards other races and religions.
Great list..
“Has anyone else noticed how when a specific group of people attack another group of people it is labeled as a ‘hate crime’, but when a Muslim opens fire on anybody it is quickly regarded as ‘terrorism’.” — Excellent point..
Christians who somehow justify that killing doctors who perform abortions are just as much terrorists as Muslims who justify violence against the west. (and, no, i’m not pro-choice)
Great List.
The last one is really really common and really irritating.
Yes, that last one is wrong. It should read "terrorists are Muslims" not "Muslims are terrorists"
To an extent, that implies all terrorists are Muslims, and that would no be accurate would it now?
Ok ok, no it would not be accurate, so let’s say 99.9% of terrorist are muslims, is that better?
No, that would just be another stupid assumption based on prejudice.
that’ll just make you a stereotypist who has no liberty of thought other than what the western media spoon feeds you
I was actually aware of some of these misconceptions. I am so smart. S-M-R-T, I mean S-M-A-R-T!
hahaha awesome simpsons
Great list. I think its very important to promote and explain the difference between Muslims and extremist Islamists. If we didn’t have information like this, we’d only have things like the Daily Mail for information and boy, that would be bad!
Dear Vez,
Its heartening to read your comments about Islam. I am a 30 year Muslim from Pakistan and even though I don't know any thing about you but still I pray for your wellbeing and prosperity. I also like to bring your attention to the word the media has introduced lately i.e. "Estremist Islamists" and would like to explain you that there is no such thing as Extremist Islamists. In fact the word Islam means "peace" and we call it the code of life; not just a religion and this code of life tells us to seek balance in every thing we do. A true muslim can never be extremist hence the term "Extremist Islamists" is false. I do agree that there are people in the world who are "Extremists" meaning they defy logic, rationale and thinking so in essence they should be called extremists" but they should not be called "Extreme Islamists" because Islam does not teach violance. On the contrary Islam preaches humanity and declares that killing of one human is equal to killing of all humans.
There is a reason why you chose to read this list and the reason is that you had some doubts and questions in your mind. You have a mind which seeks truth and that is a sign of a blessing so I wish you good luck and pray to God to show you the right path which satisfies all your answers. Neither your God nor my God is someone else but the same. If you really are interested in knowing which is the religion He has perfected for humankind then pray to God just for once with complete focus and dedication. I am sure He will help you in finding out the truth and when you do then do let me know as well. Meanwhile if you want to know what exactly Islam is then study the translated version of Quran and the second thing you need is the sayings of our Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (peace be upon him). I am neither a preacher nor I am trying to sell you any thing. I felt like replying to your post and I just did. My email is osman_zafar@hotmail.com
take care
if these are true, that is great. but why are there so many people massively distorting their own religion? (i know this happens in everything including Judaism and Christianity, but it seems so many more in Islam) Why are they misrepresenting such major things in their own religion? Is it true that a muslim can lie to you, if he is to believe you are the enemy? and you are the enemy if you are not a muslim? And lastly, is it true when reading the Koran, what ever contradictions are found in the text, you are supposed to live according the which ever rule was written last?
Hey Thomas, I'll try to answer your questions on how I (and this is only my opinion) view it:
the distortion occurs when someone (or a group of people for that matter) try to use something (in our case religion) to further their own goals, IE control of the masses, sovereignty, and so on. The thing is, some of these distortions are perpetuated for so long that they actually become the norm. I don't know if you understand what I mean by this.
as for why it seems there are many more in Islam, I'd guess it's more a matter of politics then anything else. A lot of the current middle eastern regimes were planted by/funded by/allied to some of the western countries for things like resources, region dominance, and so on. To maintain that pressure, these states have to adopt a dictatorship or distorted theocracy to maintain the masses under control. Thus they distort, in this case religion, to keep control.
again all of the above is MY opinion, and might possibly be wrong so take it with a grain of salt.
As for lying. Yes a Muslim is permitted to lie to protect himself/others that would come to harm unjustly. But ONLY if it's a life & Death or wartime situation. Also, being a non-Muslim does NOT make you an enemy. In Islam an enemy is only one who either forcibly wants to prevent you from practicing what you believe, wishes harm on you for unjustifiable reasons (justifiable would be, for example, you harmed/killed on of their family members,) wants to force you to leave your home, and things like that.
As long as there is mutual respect between you and the others, no matter whether that person is a Muslim or not, he is NOT your enemy.
As for the Qur'an Contradiction things, I've never heard about what you said before, thus I can't comment about it, I'll try looking up about it.
Hope that helps.
Islam does not translate to English as peace, Arabs would more likely use salaam for this. The translation that is more commonly accepted is "submission to Allah". So this is not peace as we would understand it (respect and the prospect of mutual interaction) but subjugation. Hitler offered the world this type of peace (I normally view debates as the first person who resorts to a Nazi argument loses, but I do think it is apt here ).
You will get no where arguing about the Koran with Muslims they will either say you do not understand classical Arabic (even then over one fifth of the Koran is incoherent e.g. The second sura starts with three initials which no one knows the meaning of) or that you are quoting out of context. If you have the time, inclination or energy to do this then go ahead.
A more easily understood way of gaining an insight into Islam is to look at the biography of Muhammad along side his "revelations", I would be surprised it does not make your blood run cold. There is no crime that he does not commit although you will laugh at the scene when Muhammad is caught spending the night with a married woman and as an explanation says that Gabriel came to him and he flew to Jeruslam on a winged mule with a hymen face went to the temple (unknown to Muhammad had been destroyed for hundreds of years) met the Jewish prophets and then flew onto heaven.
If you can find a difference between the historical Muhammad and "extremist Muslims" let me know because this is question that needs answering urgently. I suspect that "moderate Muslims" are just people who want to get on with their lives and try not to think about this stuff too much.
I meant human face, shows how inaccuracies come into text
Trust me “Guest” if you care to know the differences and the truth about anything you can.
I still do not understand why it irritates some non muslims that we ask them to quote the “complete” verse, and to refer to the context? Yet you and i know it is but common sense.
Secons, Yes! The quran is in Arabic, and muslims dont say that as an excuse to wipe out all non arabic speakers from the conversation, but infact, because it was written in arabic indeed.
One of the things christians for example are used to, is to have the same bible in different languages and different verses and to accept that all of them are the word of god.
We all know that since the Quran for muslims is the word of god, and was revealed in arabic, then you can never really have an english translation and claim its also the word of god, or as accurate as the word of god. The word of god is in Arabic, this is a fact and we have to deal with it, and hence you will find different attempts to translate not the words, but the meanings.
You will also clearly find it stated on the translation ( The translation of the meanings of the Quran), and since the meanings depend on one’s understanding, or at least to a direct interpretation of words, then it is very contextual.
What i mean to say is that the Quran is the book of islam and it is the Facade of the islam, not your own choice of books.Fact!
Second, you must read the whole Quran, or read a whole Surah, in order to be able to see the whole image, i am not claiming you did or didnt, i am just stating the facts i know. Quoting out of context and claiming is a right, is just like me saying you said in this comment: (Muslims they will either say you do not understand classical Arabic)….Nonsense!
And finally, there is not moderate muslim and an extremist muslim, god said in the quran (and thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you)…
A muslim follows the Quran, and the Quran says (whosoever killeth a human being for other than manslaughter or corruption in the earth, it shall be as if he had killed all mankind, and whoso saveth the life of one, it shall be as if he had saved the life of all mankind. )
If you are intrested in chatting about any subject concerning islam, please feel free to contact me via email: im-hadidi@live.com
guest i want to know where did u read about the prophet Muhammad biography
what exact Book???/// because i never herd that much lies and fabrication about him in my life- for me you don’t want to find answers you just want to spread hatred
umm… all of these misconceptions are true. do you people not read the newpaper?!
you FOOL the newspaper has said MANY thigs!! A NEWS PAPER IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT AS WELL AS NEWS..man and i thought I was dumb :L
true to an extent. they sure have alot of explaining to do, and they seriously need to start publicly condemning their brothers misdeeds.
I guess you wouldn’t understand sarcasm if it was punching you in the face, yeah you are dumb!
Sorry, my previous comment was directed towards “NOORY”…
You fool. You believe the Zionist controlled media?
WOW I'm not Muslim, but I can't believe there are still people as dumb, shallow, and miseducated as you… And people wonder sometimes why other countries judge and hate Americans…. It's because of stupid comments like this….
WOW, how can you comment on a list meant to combat the judgement of others based on misconceptions and then proceed to judge others based on misconceptions? Sounds ridiculous to me, charis.
Not only that, but you automatically assume that the poster you’re responding to is American when their nationality is not only not stated in the post, but entirely irrelevant to the conversation.
Stop being such a hypocritical douchebag — you can’t tell someone off for their intolerance by showing how much MORE intolerant you can be.
Did you see his name? Hitler… He was saying it tongue-in-cheek. Shows YOU are the dumb ones!
Holy Christ I hate the Daily Mail. Apparently there’s a new form of cancer that causes house prices to fall, lets homo*****uals adopt children and lets immigrants into the UK.
Yeah, but the Bigfoot Diet Book is supposed to fix all that.
If only Diana were here – she'd save us!
Great list.
I think some of the items in this list is an eye opener for many muslims themselves instead of non muslims.
this is a very important list in todays society, i know a bit about islam but even ive become victim to stereotyping Muslims, so its good to clear up many of these misconceptions
excellent list
good list…just one thing: in #7 i think you mean that islam is INTOLERANT TOWARDS other religions…not intolerable to, which unfortunately i think is true
Actually, It isn't true, only you do think it is because of what you hear and see in the media, non-Muslims hear so much negativity towards Islam, while in Islamic teachings, you must treat a non-Muslim the same way you would want to be treated if you weren't a Muslim, meaning that you should be nice to them, actually in Islam, you should be nice to everybody
… Except if they were serious offenders of course..
Why is brianbcn rated down? He's not bashing Islam, he's pointing out an actual grammatical error in the article, or at least a perceived one. The last line being a joke, of sorts.
(Say : O ye that reject Faith!
I do not serve that which you serve,
Nor do you serve Him Whom I serve:
Nor am I going to serve that which you serve,
Nor are you going to serve Him Whom I serve:
You shall have your religion and I shall have my religion.)
Holy Quran, Surah Al Kafirun
that wasa good list, though non religious most islamic people i have meet are all really nice people, they dont get butthurt about my atheism like Ive seem a few Christians do, the reason i think we are so misinformed about islam in the western world is teh history between the christian church and them the crusades etc, so that in turn effects today
In the kind and wise words of former President George “Dublya” Bush:
“If you dont support the war on Islam you’re a Muslim… or… Gay!” – just kidding guys!
Why in the hell would someone judge a culture, country or religion based on a few bad seeds??
Ignorance and greed is what makes wars!
LOL "Dublya", if you don't mind I'm going to use that A LOT.
maybe george “Dublya” bush should say ” you shouldn’t talk about something you don’t know like islam . . . and if you don’t know something about islam you must be aMs .. .or gay ” LoL
everytime i hear about misconception number 7 someone always gives an example of how some medieval ruler tolerated christians (like saladdin)… i don’t think there are current, modern day examples to showcase here, i guess. does it mean that tolerance is no longer practised?
go to the most heavily populated islamic country (indonesia) on december 25 and you will see many christian celebrations, and jewish as a matter of fact…tho it looks weird to see plastic santas surrounded by fake snow when its so hot you got some crotch-pot cooking going on…
i was raised a catholic(non-practicing now) and lived a few years on sumatra in indonesia, and i can say without a doubt that christans, jews, buddhists and hindus where all treated the same…very amiable
“Islam is intolerable to other religions”? Intolerant of other religions surely…
Please see Hinuism and Shivsena moto
Please see Hinduism and Shivsena moto
its a shame that a few bad eggs in the crowd has even precipitated the compilation of such a list. although being raised in a predominantly muslim world where there were collections for taliban i find it hard to sympathise. some of my best m8s are muslims but that doesnt mean they practice the very well put ‘excuses’ in the article.
maybe my perspective is skewed cuz i spent too much time with them.
I had learned that Muhammad married his child bride when she was nine but didn’t consummate the marriage until she was 12 or 13, or until she became a “woman”. In any case standards were different back then, you can’t really hate on different cultural standards.
In the old Arabic regions, getting married at a young age was very normal, so you are right drelo.
Your cultural relativism is actually an insult and very dangerous towards Muslim children. Some cultures are just worse than others. Next thing you'll be saying its fine for half a dozen adults to restrain and slice off a screaming 5 year old girls genitals with a rusty knife and no anaesthetic, its just their culture and we should respect that, right?.
Yes, that is very dangerous these days. You will notice that most Muslim nations in Asia don't practice that anymore, although much needs to corrected in their other practices…
it is A SIN IN ISLAM to perform femail cercumstision, it was only mensioned in the quran as it was about the prophet ibrahem (pbuh) also, muslim dont respect that, its CULTURE and CULTURE is not RELIGEON…im also forming a protest agains this, and i have been succesful in my protest to spread awarness.
I also have a protest. It is against poor spelling and grammar!
@ Drelo – Yes that is correct. We do not know the exact AGE of Aisha when she married Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w), but it is certain that she was past puberty. In today's society, a girl must be 18 to get married. In Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)'s time, a girl had to be past puberty to get married. ISLAM does not make it mandatory (or does not even recommend) a young girl (who JUST passed puberty..maybe at age 10) to get married. It is the CULTURE and the trend of the time. Her age wasnt even an issue or concern for the people back then.
Also, he did not really treat her as a wife (live together with her) until she was 14 or so. She was also highly respected in his home, and he made sure that she received proper education (something maybe 1% of the women back then received). She is known as one of the most knowledgeable women of her time, so much so that even men came to her (after Prophet Muhammad's death) to ask her for advice. Honestly, people disregard of Prophet Muhammad because he married a young girl, but they forget that he's given this young girl a life filled with respect, freedom, and treated her like an individual ….a life that girls back then AND now dream to have (and most of us arent lucky enough to have!).
For the sake of covering all point of views:
Not all Muslim believe that The Prophet married Aisha when she was 10.
There are schools of thought, like The Shia'a Muslims (although I'm not sure it's a universally accepted thing among them) that actually believe that Aisha was married around 18-20 years old.
But then again, considering Shiism, they don't exactly hold aisha in their hearts so take it as you wish. Just know that they don't think (or as far as I know anyway) that 10 year old marriage thing, which is more of a Sunni thing.
It is another misconception that Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) married a nine year old. Here they are referring to A’isha. According to some historical sources that A’isha was born before Islam. And that Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) did not marry 2 to 3 years after the death of his first wife Khadija. Now, Khadija died about 11 years after Islam. Therefore, this makes A’isha (the 9 year old wife) at least 15 yeas of age when Prophet Mohammed (P.B.H.H) married her if not older
I donno whats exactly there in the khoran, but in practice Islam is the most dogmatic, misogynistic faith.
Today, in saudi arabia a women is a half a man and no right to drive. I am not suprised you didn’t mention these kind of ground facts in your list, but eulogising the whole thing called Islam
What you just said is exactly what this article is proving, what you said is a misconception. Did you miss the part where he said only 15% of Muslims are Arab? and Saudi Arabia is one small country. How does what a small group of people do apply to every single person in Islam?
And you obviously missed the section about woman's rights and how "some" people do that, he acknowledged it in the article if you took the time to read it
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I would strongly urge you to study Holy Quran (not Khoran) and sayings of Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (PBUH) before you judge Islam by its followers.
At this point of time your words mean less value to readers because you are perceiving Islam from its followers. There are good and bad both sort of followers. Islam has given rights to women when women were buried alive and had no respect in the world. Islam has not only given rights to women but also respect which she deserves. Do you know that its Islam which introduced women's share in the property of her husband and father? Do you know that in Islam mothers place is 3 times more than a father when it comes to how they should be honored? Do you know that in Islam boy is considered as a blessing while girl is considered a sign of Allah's compassion towards the parents? Do you know Islam gives the rights to women to chose their husbands? Do you know Islam never allows anyone even in war to kill or rape women? Do you know that our Prophet once said that he who raise up 3 or 5 girls amicably (i dont know the exact number) untill they get married he will be eligible to enter into heaven. I can go on an on but the space and time does not allow me to do that. I therefore urge you to study Quran and Hadith without any malice and if you still have questions then do ask questions because Islam says that asking the right question is half the knowledge. May God bless you, Amin
good list!
some of them are my misconceptions and some are obviously!
as i knew that most muslim country or places are dangerous and always have war!
here in the philippines, we are the only majority catholic country in asia, there are terrorist and rebel from the southern part (mindanao)w/c are muslims, and one of our country’s head ache from many decades until now!
yes dear, but the Christian government systematically moved people into Muslim lands in the south which were held communally for centuries. The Christian government then granted written deeds for the lands of Muslim farmers. Taking the land from a farmer is a death sentence for him and his family. This is how to create a terrorist. Just take a closer look at the history without the hatred.
Not to mention most of Abu Sayaf Leaders were unpaid soldiers used by the CIA in Kosovo War. How would you feel if the CIA left you or your brothers in the battle ground so you would all die so America doesnt have to pay you. Mouths shut and America is the hero! If the CIA can kill their own president, why not with a group of muslim fighters from middle east and asia (including philippines). War = Economy.
try not to limit your knowledge on what the media is feeding you.i’m from mindanao…iligan city to be exact.it’s a place where muslims and christians are living peacefully.
and…fix your grammar. ^_^
Great list! I am happy to see there are open minded people and ones who are not afraid to publish the truth. Insha’Allah more people will understand the true meaning of Islam.
Muslims when they are in majority oppress all the others- You can take any muslim majority country for this example.
When they are in minority in numbers they always create the trouble.
Philippines- Mindanao
Thailand- Southern thailand
China- Xinjiang
India- Kashmir
Russia- Chechenya
Is this tolerance you mentioned in your article ??
I'm in Malaysia, country which neighbouring to Thailand and Philipines. The muslems were discriminated.
are you sure its not the other way around? cus you just mentioned the "trouble" makers , maybe theyre the ones being oppressed
It is true that religious fundamentalists tend to dominate Islam, while the moderate Muslims either are unwilling or unable to moderate them.
Please get the facts right. I don't know about philipines, thailand, china or russia. But I do know Kashmir because I live very close to it.
First of all muslims are not minority in the disputed territory of Kashmir. They represent at least 75% of the total population.
Secondly, Islam not only teaches tolerance but also self defense. These kashmris are fighting for freedom so that they can live according to their own customs, religion and preference. If India thinks they are outsiders they why dosnt it give them the right to hold referendum as per UNs resolutions?
Last but not the least tolerance has limits. tell me if a hurts you then you can tolerate but if the guy kills one member of your family then how would you tolerate that and even lets say you do then if he kills all you family members then still do you think that you can tolerate this? There is a limit to every thing and and without limits even freedom means nothing. Where tolerance ends self defense come into power.
dude, muslims are in majority in Kashmir!
You are right bro …
When they are in majority brings islamic rule … otherwise they preaches secularism !!
Very clever in your twist of logic. There are two ways of looking at it.
- If muslims are the majority, then they oppress . Equivalent to – where muslims are majority, the minorities in such countries cause trouble.
- If muslims are minority, they cause trouble. Equivalent to – where non-muslims are majority, they oppress muslims which leads to trouble.
And yeah, you forget to name countries where muslims exist peacefully with fellow citizens – Bangladesh, Rwanda, South Africa (and lot of African nations), Turkey and a number of central Asian countries.
It doesn’t help that some of you guys are as much as ignorant as some stupid fundamentalist. Take a look at the Lebanon for an example of tolerance towards other religions. No really read the Wikipedia article.
totally agree with you lebnon is the perfect example for Christians and Muslims living peacefully and carrying towards each other’s
for god sake there is a church next to a mosque
Is Hezbollah aware of this?
Coming to North Lebanon Soon.
This is the best list I’ve seen in a while. Really informative. However, I do have to agree with Lelia (31); the author did tend to leave out passages from the Koran that contradict the idea that some of these are misconceptions. It’s been a while since I’ve studied Islam, so I can’t find the specific passages, but they are there. I think this list definitely needed to be written, and God knows that it would be helpful if a large portion of the US population would read it. But, I guess I’m just a stickler for objectivity, fairness and balance (so, imagine how *****ed off I get when watching FOX news).
However, all that being said, this slightly biased view is no worse than the way Christians present their own history and theology.
Like I told Lelia, she took the line but didn't read the description which was given by Prophet Muhammad, please read my replay to Lelia, I hope what I wrote was helpful ^^
Wonderful list…I’m glad you put this together. Being a black male I can understand being judged based on sterotypes. Everyone should not be judged, but looked at on individual merit. (I’m off my soap box now…) Thanks
msulli22
I do completely agree with you- The author is afflicted with selection bias- He chose whatever it suits to his preconceptions and left out all those which didn’t
just to add to #3:
Is it really the case that men ‘really h-a-t-e it when girls cover up?!’
The reason for the covering in Islam therefore relates to other principles.
I think that no religion is bad but that the people who practice it make it bad.
Of course not everybody makes it bad, just a few bad seeds. Although I do believe that you are a bit too biased towards it. Because you make it seem as if it is the perfect religion.
Just my opinion though
Great List!!
Great list; I was disturbed during the US election when Obama’s name was mentioned at Republican rally’s, sometimes people in the crowd would call out “terrorist” – the “logic” being that his father was a Muslim, so Obama was a Muslim so he was a terrorist. Wilful stupidity.
From the Qu’ran:
2: The Cow (women have rights, but no the same as men, because they are easily confused).
“228. Women also have recognized rights as men have, though men have an edge over them.”
“282. But if two men are not available, then a man and two women you approve, so that in case one of them is confused the other may remind her.”
9: Repentance (convert by the sword… or else):
“5. But when these months, prohibited (for fighting), are over, slay the idolaters wheresoever you find them, and take them captive or besiege them, and lie in wait for them at every likely place. But if they repent and fulfil their devotional obligations and pay the zakat, then let them go their way, for God is forgiving and kind.”
“29. Fight those people of the Book who do not believe in God and the Last Day, who do not prohibit what God and His Apostle have forbidden, nor accept divine law, until all of them pay protective tax in submission.”
About Aisha, from the Hadith (Muhammad was 53, Aisha 6):
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5977:
‘A’isha reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) having said: I saw you in a dream for three nights when an angel brought you to me in a silk cloth and he said: Here is your wife, and when I removed (the cloth) from your face, lo, it was yourself, so I said: If this is from Allah, let Him carry it out.
Sahih Muslim, Book 031, Number 5981:
A’isha reported that she used to play with dolls in the presence of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) and when her playmates came to her they left (the house) because they felt shy of Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him), whereas Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent them to her.
Sahih Bukhari, Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88:
Narrated ‘Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with ‘Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Pac
Right, Pac.
There is this line in the Koran that i particularly admire, when the entire incident of adam and eve is being mentioned, the word woman is not used. the word that the koran uses is, you and your equal. equal not in body or strength, but your ideal equal. and neither does the koran blame eve for eating the apple, or being made from adam's rib. lol. so this whole talk abt women not being equal is only in the case of divorce, just to make sure shes not pregnant, because if she is, she has a three month period to decide whether or not to return to her husband. men have the advantage, that they dont have to wait for three months. since they dont get pregnant..clearly. =p
oh, and women can earn, have as much property as they like, and they dont have to share it either. but the man MUST give his wife the security and comfort and stuff because its his sworn duty to do so, they must 'comfort' one another. as for the sword verse, abt the 'go and kill them', i mean really? its completely OUT of context. it was after a lifetime of battle and broken agreements between the kaafirs [your original *****/slave trend-setters], that finally something had to be done. but even then, they were allowed to settle peacefully if they paid taxes like everyone else. since muslims pay zakaat, which is part of their faith [do you know they they give away a percentage of their wealth every year and distribute it to the poor, as a mandatory composite of their faith? wow.] the kaafirs were required to pay jizya. oh, and anyone who is a believer of the books, namely the christians ans the jews and etc, islam considers them brother religions. and neither can they wage a war against them.
As for his marriage with aisha, come OFF it already. women in the united states werent allowed to vote till like forever, and slavery wasnt abolished till like god knows when, and youre picking a fight on a topic thats clearly regarding cultural norms?
Maybe I read it wrong but did Muhammad’s young bride start puberty at 6. That’s got to be some kind of record!!
An excellent list though.
This list just shows how wrong the media is about Islam. Good on Listverse for not having media bias and just telling the facts.
Thank you. I am so glad that this list has been compiled. For all people seeking a more civilized way through the troubles of progress. Thank you.
I really wish religion would just ***** off.
I want to thank everyone who read the list and hopefully it cleared some questions in regards to the topic!!
While maybe not “the point of the sword”, most of the history I’ve read about the Ottoman Empire and its trek across the Balkan states agrees that Islam overtook Christianity primarily through taxation. Christians were taxed so highly and had so little hope of finding work (particularly within the government) that their only option was to publicly renounce Christianity and embrace Islam.
I’ve lived and worked with Muslims for a large part of my life and none of them have ever tried to sugarcoat the failings of individuals within their religion anymore than I have…I’m Catholic. While Islam and the Quran might not encourage the activities noted above, should we stick our heads in the sand and pretend that they do not occur, and on a frighteningly large scale? Any act of violence in the name of religion (ANY religion) should be condemned and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
So were you also raped in the church by your priest????
Ahhh… Religion!!
Yes, I believe religion has its purposes. In societies where Law and Justice are weak religion is the only thing stopping total chaos and anarchy! However, in modern society religion has no purpose. In fact, religion just creates more problems and segregates citizens! We are all equal no matter gender or colour!
There was a study that showed that 70% of Muslims, when moving to the west, leave behind several traditions of their faith! Christianity has lost millions of followers over the years! Is this all coincidence? I think not!
ONCE PEOPLE ARENT JUDGED BY THEIR GOVERMENT ON THEIR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS THEY TEND TO “OPEN THEIR EYES” AND QUESTION THE TRUE MEANING OF RELIGION!
I believe its a matter of decades before religion is totaly dismissed. But then again Man will always find something to fight about. Weak beings we are!!
As far as I’m concerned, Christianity == Islam. Both have the burden of misconceptions, depending on the geographical location and the culture and tradition of your country. For all the Christian countries, Islam is evil, for all the Islam countries Christianity is evil.
At least to large groups of people.
There are many verses in Bible which can be interpreted equally horrible as those from Qur’an. From slavery (trading rules for slaves) to what could be referred to as “holy wars”.
One just needs to use his brain a bit to realize that no religion can be evil by default (well, except satanism I assume, if that’s a religion) because the majority of people wouldn’t buy that.
Faith is often mixed with religion but they are two distinct entities. Overall, faith is positive, but all religions suck. They are good in theory, like capitalism, but in practice…
7Raul7: For Ganesh’s sake! Don’t start on the Hindus. They don’t even hurt cows!!
I agree with romerozombie. I wish everyone would stop all this religious friction and just ***** off… or get along!
I would love a cow steak
Well the Turks used to kill people by shoving a spear trough a persons rear end next to the spine, avoiding vital organs just to lead to a very very painful death, if that isnt brutal then i dont know what is, and what about the killings concerning the danish caricatures? Still i think islam is a very foul religion, in fact the worst wars in history were lead by muslims and thanks to the belief of predestination and jihad they were very succesful.
if you think islam is the foul religion the how come its spreading at a rate much higher than any other religion and that too in a time where science and logic prevails instead of war at most of the areas of the world especially in Europe and America? only a stupid would belief the spread of islam was and is based upon spear show.
if Islam is foul then why the media is so much against it and how come so few people leave Islam in Europe or America even with all the propoganda?
you speak of turk but you forget to memtion what muslims brought to Europe and what happend to muslims in spain on the first day of april. Before Islam Eurpe was in dark ages where people could not even cook properly or dress properly. They were living like animals. It was Islam who taught them how to live and educated them. Go to spain and you will see.
Of course it's spreading. Satan takes great delight in that I'm sure.
how’d ya know?you guys friends or something?