10 Cases of American Intervention in Latin America
- Published July 11, 2009 by Gringo Joe - 137 Comments
With the current political crisis in Honduras, American (US) foreign policy is looking to soften its historic reputation in the region by largely deferring negotiations to Latin American diplomats. While the Honduran economy relies heavily on remittances sent from the U.S., many are wary of American involvement at the state level. To help explain why, here is a list of ten previous instances of American involvement in Latin America.
Note: This is NOT an endorsement of radical governments that have taken hold in some parts of Latin America whose adherence to democracy is often questionable, but rather a balanced historic perspective to explain anti-U.S. sentiment in the region.
This addition to the Army Appropriations Act, submitted by Senator Orville Pratt (R-Ohio), set the stage for US-Cuban relations in the early 20th Century. Following the war with Spain in 1898, the US maintained a large garrison in Cuba in the interest of creating a self-governing colony subordinate to Washington. The terms of the amendment included 1) restriction of land leasing to any nation but the US, 2) ensuring of US intervention in Cuban affairs and 3) prohibition of negotiating treaties with any power other than the US The amendment also provided the framework for the leasing of Guantanamo Bay to US control, which became an even more divisive issue upon transfer of detainees to the area following the September 11 attacks and subsequent wars.
Panama was once a part of Colombia (which was itself part of a country called Great Colombia following independence from Spain). The Colombian government had negotiated with the US to build a canal to bridge the Atlantic and Pacific oceans, but it fell through. A separatist movement in Panama ensued, which the US supported. Following the establishment of the Republic of Panama, French engineering magnate Philip Burnau-Varilla sold his concession to the building rights for the canal to the US government. The US also demanded control of the canal and the six-mile zone around it. The tension culminated in the 1964 riots that killed 22 Panamanians and 4 US soldiers. Control of the Canal was transferred back to Panama in 1999.
Wanting to protect his Panamanian investment, US President Teddy Roosevelt announced his corollary to the previous Monroe Doctrine, stating that the US could act unilaterally to ward off European intervention in the Caribbean. He obtained the rights to administer Dominican customs its chief source of income. Later, in 1916, the US invaded and established a military government under Admiral Knapp, which was repudiated by Dominicans and was often brutal in its crackdown on dissent. The US occupation would not end until 1922. The US also supported dictator Rafael Trujillo (pictured above) despite his campaign of political assassinations and massacres of Haitians. The Dominican Republic was considered a protectorate of the US until 1941.
The US Marines were sent to occupy Nicaragua beginning in 1912 in the midst of an armed insurrection. The US was also granted rights to build a so-called “Nicaragua Canal” by the conservative US-backed Chamorro ruling family. Later, Gen. Augusto Sandino led a rebellion against the conservative government and US occupation. Sandino was later assassinated, and the military dictatorship of the Somoza family came into power. This too was backed by the US-trained Guardia Nacional.
Following guerilla leader Pancho Villa’s raid on Columbus, New Mexico (in which 16 Americans died), President Wilson sent Gen. “Blackjack” Pershing and 10,000 soldiers into the mountains of northern Mexico to hunt Villa down. The mission ultimately failed but Mexicans viewed the act as an unjust invasion. It is said that the pejorative designation “gringo” came from this time, as US soldiers clad in olive uniforms were met with cries of “Green, Go!”
Wary of German influence in Haiti, American investors backed by the US State Department aquired the National Bank of Haiti. In a subsequent revolt against the US-friendly regime of Jean Vilbrun Guillaume Sam, the Marines were sent to occupy Port-au-Prince in 1915. The US government would administer the island for the next two decades. The US wielded veto power over all government decisions in Haiti, and Marine Corps officers served as regional administrators. The US military eventually withdrew, but 50 years of American-backed military dictatorships followed.
In the early 1950s, the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) organized a coup against democratically-elected President Arbenz in Guatemala. Arbenz had instituted sweeping land reforms to benefit the country’s vast impoverished populace. This antagonized the powerful United Fruit Company, a multi-national conglomerate (of which CIA director Allen Dulles was a stockholer) that lobbied the US government for intervention. The moves were also deemed communist in nature by the Eisenhower administration and the US government began to supply anti-Arbenz forces with weapons and training. Arbenz was overthrown, and military dictatorship followed for the next four decades. During this time, it is estimated that nearly a quarter million Guatemalans were killed or “disappeared.”
US President Eisenhower oversaw plans to depose Communist Cuban leader Fidel Castro as early as 1960, using much the same model as the one used in Guatemala. Castro had deposed the US-backed Batista regime in the Revolution, and had since developed close ties with the Soviet Union. The plans came to fruition under the Kennedy administration. A force of anti-Castro Cuban exiles were landed in southern Cuba on April 17, 1961, supported by strikes on Cuban airfields. By this time, however, Castro’s forces were well equipped with advanced Soviet weapons and the invasion was defeated. Tensions between the US and Cuba would be strained to a breaking point with the Cuban Missile Crisis the following year.
Though there is controversy surrounding the 1973 Chilean coup even today, there is certainly evidence of communication between the CIA and the coup instigators led by Gen. Augusto Pinochet. Salvador Allende was a democratically-elected president with ties to Cuba’s Fidel Castro. In September 1973, he was overthrown by a military junta. The CIA was aware of the coup as many as two days in advance. Following the event, in a conference with President Nixon, National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger stated that “the Chilean thing is getting consolidated and of course the newspapers are bleeding because a pro-Communist government has been overthrown.” Pinochet’s regime went on to become one of the most oppressive and brutal organizations of the 20th Century.
Grenada is a small Caribbean island about 100 miles north of Venezuela. In 1979, a revolution led by Maurice Bishop came to power with Cuban support. Among his projects was the construction of a large airstrip, which was charged by US President Reagan as designed for Soviet aircraft. An internal power struggle followed, ending in Bishop’s arrest and execution. At the time, 800 US medical students were on the island, and their presence amid the turmoil gave Reagan sufficient justification for ordering an invasion. Ten thousand US, Jamaican and Caribbean troops landed on Oct. 25, 1983. The invasion was condemned internationally by the UN General Assembly. Twenty American troops were killed, along with over a hundred Cuban and Grenadan soldiers and civilians.






















July 11th, 2009 at 1:33 am
hey
July 11th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Wh0a! I never knew th0se..
July 11th, 2009 at 1:37 am
just like americans, sticking there noses where they don’t belong
July 11th, 2009 at 1:55 am
Hoo boy, Islam bashing followed by America bashing. Cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war.
Is there any other country in the world that has a record of intervention like this? And this is only in one part of the world.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:58 am
The invasion of Grenada was a classic case of the big boy flexing his muscles to show the little guy who is the boss. Grenada was an excuse to give Cuba (the little guy) a bloody nose. The american students provided the excuse and Reagan got to show who was boss. I’m not anti american just saying it as it happened. I agree it should be number 1 on the list.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:15 am
@brandiwine number 1&2 – congrats on being first to post – your comments (especially 1) were very constructive and well thought out!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:18 am
Not much compared to previous list
July 11th, 2009 at 2:24 am
@astraya (5): I suspect Britain has had it’s fair share of similar activities
July 11th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Said the New Zealander to the Australian! Evil colonisers, obviously, those Brits.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:37 am
Yup, lets do a British one.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Ha! Yes Minister was lurking at the back of my mind:
“Sir Humphrey: Minister, Britain has had the same foreign policy objective for at least the last five hundred years: to create a disunited Europe. In that cause we have fought with the Dutch against the Spanish, with the Germans against the French, with the French and Italians against the Germans, and with the French against the Germans and Italians. Divide and rule, you see. Why should we change now, when it’s worked so well?
Hacker: That’s all ancient history, surely?
Sir Humphrey: Yes, and current policy. We had to break the whole thing [the EEC] up, so we had to get inside. We tried to break it up from the outside, but that wouldn’t work. Now that we’re inside we can make a complete pig’s breakfast of the whole thing: set the Germans against the French, the French against the Italians, the Italians against the Dutch. The Foreign Office is terribly pleased; it’s just like old times.”
July 11th, 2009 at 2:38 am
Do you have a flag?
July 11th, 2009 at 2:39 am
I really wish listverse would drop this current political theme it has adopted.
You need to understand that every story of two sides and insisting on only telling the other guy’s side of the story is even more stupid than just telling your side of the story, because it’s the story that you don’t really know very well.
The only thing more stupid than that is looking at a story where you don’t even have a side, choosing a side and only telling yourself that side of that story.
Sadly it would seem too many people on listverse are guilty of one of the three.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:37 am
It is interesting to see bits and pieces of American foreign policy being exercised through legal, quasi-legal, illegal and immoral activities over ~70 years. Also important is to note the creation of ever more brutal regimes in the power vacuum that follows a “deposed” government.
Every nation has a tendency to exert influence and control over its neighbours (or other far flung nations). It’s just human nature. The concern among people is that just like the Colonial Powers before it (England and the British East India Company comes to mind), America is following the same course in a systematic and widespread manner to protect government/corporate interests.
We can see parallels with China’s activities with respect to control of resources in Indochina and Africa today (more recently with Australia).
I could go on with other examples from modern or pre-modern times but why bother. As a pessimist and nihilist, I find all of this quite entertaining.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Really great list, this kind of history is hardly talked about in American schools. Happy to inform myself
July 11th, 2009 at 4:27 am
I would love to know how much of this is covered in the history curriculum in U.S. schools. The double standards the country holds is ridiculous. Ridding Saddam of his tyrannical regime to liberate people of Iraq and installing a fascist dictator at the cost of a democratically elected president because he didn’t serve the great U.S.A’s interests. Former CIA agents also openly admit their involvement in the coup in Chile.
For anyone interested in this topic I would recommend watching “The War on Democracy” by John Pilger. Very informative documentary.
Here is the link:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3739500579629840148
July 11th, 2009 at 5:08 am
Hey all. ‘A river flows through Guantanamo’; that would make a great title of a book wouldn’t it? The flow of power has seen many nations lapping against foreign shores; sometimes for a whole host of reasons, but generally to gain more ecconomic power. Who can say if the Americans are – or were – any more ruthless than the Romans, the Turks, the Mongols, the Portugese, the Spanish, the British or the Russians in their conquests? And yes, it is still going on today; by many nations (overtly and covertly), often in the name of one thing whilst trying to achieve another. These days, there also seems to be an added pressure from corporate leaders and high financiers whom may promote a more global agenda; and whilst power stuggles are still going on, the climate has shifted away from land and property towards something much more fundamental.
As far as the list goes, it would be too easy to blame the U.S. and their previous foreign policies; instead I see raids and skirmishes which presumably seemed very good ideas at the time, turn into very poor ideas in the end.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:30 am
number 4 is the most disgusting. they started a war and a regime change to boost the profits of big business. lol thats basically a real life incident that mirrors all the claims of films,tv and people like micheal moore.
america shot itself in the foot there as now everywar they enter is seen as business related (ie iraq oil?)
July 11th, 2009 at 5:30 am
To put things in perspective, the US has invaded Haiti at least three times, Panama at least twice, and has supported militarily and economically violent dictatorships in Chile, Dominica, Bolivia, Nicaragua and Argentina.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Interesting list. I studied a bit of this during school and on my own. I remember studing mostly about the Panama Canal. Only because my brother was in the USMC and had been stationed there for a bit.
I find the picture for number 3 to be the most amazing I have seen. Quite clear and graphic for such an old photograph.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Hacing recently completed a political science course concerning the US and Latin America, I have to point out to the “you’re just bashing America” commenters: It is true and it was largely a case of “We’re bigger and better than you” before FDR and “Eliminate the commies!” After FDR. FDR did try and implement the good neighbor policy and normalize relations with Latin America, but so-called “red” influence afterwards meant we were only concerned with having non-liberal regimes. US actions in LA were governed heavily by the “he may be a bastard, but he’s OUR bastard” principle.
The history is incredibly diverse, interesting and often depressing, but it’s good to know the actions that have been taken and the resulting like or dislike towards US government and people.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Quite interesting list, if not only for the origins of the word “gringo”. You could have expanded #7 to include the Contra support during the 80s.
But this just goes to show that the difference between a “ruthless tyrant” and a “benevolent dictator”, as well as between a “terrorist” and a “freedom fighter” sadly just depends on the political context, not actions.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Big Brother is watching you!
July 11th, 2009 at 6:11 am
There’s a political crisis in Honduras?
July 11th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Americans think they control the world.
Do not disagree unless your a blind ignorant fool.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:25 am
@ 2009(26)- I’m an American and I don’t control the world. You should check your spelling before you call others ignorant fools. It’s you’re.. not your.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:29 am
@deepthinker (27): I never thought it was an english exam.
You are an american, cool.You better learn how to speak mandarin soon, boy.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:40 am
@deepthinker (27):
So you are denying my claim?
America doesnt invade whatever they want?
That constituation must make a good antique cos thats all it is now.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Im an american and hell yeah the world is ours:D
why do you think the whole world speaks the american language?
USA!
July 11th, 2009 at 6:43 am
@Dropkick2000 (30): Just dumb beyone belief.I wonder if the Chinese will have mercy on you civilians……….hmmmm.
lol we all know the answer.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Do not read or review the following…:
@2009 (26): Yes, just as an asside from the list for a moment, I have to say the level of internet and telecommunications surveillance has become an issue many global governments are determined to win. There have been many agendas put forward to stop blogs (such as this one) and to enable the prosecution of ‘vocal descentors’ on the internet. Sad times indeed. There are also many buzz words constantly being monitored in the name of national security; which include words like b;o’m;b, t;e’r:r;o;r, h;i;j.a;c;k, c;o;n:s;p;i;r.a;c;y, drug words (such as ;c;r.a;c;k;, s:m,a;c;k), organised crime words (such as a;s;s~a;u;l;t, c;a;b;a.l and c;a;r;t:e;l.l;), cult words, naming public descentors (such as d;a,v;i;d i;c:k;e and a:l;e;x j;o:n’e;s,) and talking about covert black ops (such as c;a’m.p; f;e~m;a>, and ;f:o;r’t ‘*d;e;t;r’i;c;k).
[In this digital age, it is so easy to i.n:t;e;r'c;e'p;t messages whizzing around the globe at light speed, to make copies, and also to divert messages, or to stop them from ever reaching their destination. Digital is the new baby they hope will grow into a self policing media which could 'report' the users activities].
Of course, I made all this up – it’s a joke – don’t believe it – it’s a lie, all of it.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:11 am
I can feel the AP US HIstory remanents trying to return to my head…
July 11th, 2009 at 7:32 am
By saying America is a pig, America love satan, America stick their nose where it does not belong, and America is just trying to stomp on the little guy, you are making a general claim. These are our stupid politicians who committed these criminal acts not American citizen who really makes up America. These politicians try to hide or sugar coat these acts in order to please the American people. Our political system is retarded, allowing very little room for the middle man in the political spectrum and power to minority voters. These politician deceive us with empty promises and false words to get elected. For example: Nixon was elected on the promise for ending the Vietnam war, instead, he further escalated it. Not every American believe in the popular opinion. I hate George Bush. Americans choose Al Gore. Bush and his brother fixed the election by using loopholes in the Florida court systems. Also the votes were split between Nader and Gore (yes 1.2% makes the difference).
July 11th, 2009 at 7:40 am
@HAL9000 (13): No flag, no country, can’t have one!
July 11th, 2009 at 7:41 am
JFrater, how about a positive American list, hmm?
Although I agree the US has its flaws, I think it’s gotten the short side of the stick on this site.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:48 am
@ImElvis666 (17): Unfortunately, in America, unless you voluntarily take an AP History in high school or major in history in college, these things are not taught in traditional American history classes in middle school and high school. They do teach ‘the history of the victor’ in our schools. Usually it takes one own personal curiosity about history to seek out another source instead of it being part of a curriculum. Usually sometime in college people will come across Howard Zinn’s ‘A People’s History of the United States’ and then everything is put into perspective. This is the book that should be used in our schools.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:54 am
As an American, I apologize to the rest of the world. To quote Radiohead, (even though they are referring to Britain is this song)…
‘bring down the government, they don’t speak for us.’
Our government truly does not speak for us. It is run by the rich elite that are only interested in remaining the rich elite. The collapse of the economy and its subsequent handling of it should be proof positive that us citizens of America, and the rest of the world, are not being looked after by our governments.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:01 am
All this contempt for the evil Americans and the evil Brits. . . Errr . . . who exactly are the good guys?
July 11th, 2009 at 8:03 am
As I said, I’m American. Our political system was set up to function in a world of limited communications and where education was at a minimum. Towns, cities, districts, states, etc. all needed representation in this type of world as it was impossible for every person to get all the information being discussed by government as possibly being implemented into law. And even if people got this information, education isn’t what it is today and a lot of people would likely not understand it. Today its different. With instant communication and access to the wealth of information on the internet, we don’t need all these politicians all the way down to the town level making decisions for us. Things similar to props in California can be implemented country-wide. These are essentially votes that go around the politicians where citizens directly vote on a measure to decide its validity. This is how marijuana is virtually legal in California. I guarantee you if there was a prop vote for whether to invade Iraq or not, we wouldn’t be in the situation we are in right now.
They don’t speak for us. Please understand this, world. We are currently at the mercy of the system.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:10 am
THERE IS NO SURVEILLANCE OF ELECTRONIC MESSAGES OCCURRING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
PLEASE CONTINUE YOUR SEDITIOUS CHATTER
THAT IS ALL
THANK YOU
July 11th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Well, that was interesting. Oh, and hey, don’t even bash the British up there ^ just because your country was inhabited by cockney prostitutes, rapists and murderers, does not make it every Brits’ fault…
Could somebody create a more ‘pop culture’ list? Y’know like movies and music and stuff…
July 11th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Only knew 4 of them interesting list
I see the debates are hotting up again.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I wrote this list. As I stated in the introduction, this is just a presentation of facts. I’m an American and I don’t understand why we’re so thin-skinned. This is history, people. Nothing more.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:42 am
the etymology of gringo is a myth. The word was in Spanish use in Europe back in the early 1800s.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@Lifeschool (32): Nice, well in that case. I am a clinically insane terrorist that detests the america govt, i wish to assasinate the president and all other members of the G20 summit.

ill send you a post card from G. Bay
July 11th, 2009 at 8:44 am
@Chineapplepunk (42): LMAO.
I hear ya lol
July 11th, 2009 at 8:47 am
@Gringo Joe (44): Yes, I was (and am currently) going to thank you for the list and trying to present things in a way that insights further investigation rather than general list critisism. These things happened; it’s history.
@CARNIVORE HAX0R BOT 2.0 (41): Very funny! (sc.)
July 11th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Yes, the US has had a hand in a lot of the political and military operations in South and Central America. We should leave these countries alone to fight their battles and to grow up on their own.
We should also keep the billions of dollars that we throw at them year after year.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Excellent list – I find it horrifying that American’s aren’t taught this stuff as part of their curriculum. I learned about it in Grade 9 History/Geography. Maybe it was during the spiel on Manifest Destiny….best to know the devil you bed with.
redcaboose: Maybe those billions are guilt payments eh? Not sufficient pay-back imo.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Gringos think they are the center of the world.
By the way, American is a person who was born in a continent called America, not just a country that is part of it.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:42 am
OK u guys know what? I think listverse is gonna be trashed soon I mean yesterday they slammed Muslims now USA. What the F***????
July 11th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Quite right, Ulises. Plenty of ethnocentrism to go around. A previous comment was made about Howard Zinn’s “People’s History.” This, along with other texts such as Galeano’s “Open Veins of Latin America” have been criticized as inordinately revisionist. I’ll leave that judgement to you, but I highly recommend checking it out.
Here are some other readings that may give you a new perspective on Latin American studies. Granted, some are rather biased but so are most American history textbooks:
-”Modern Latin America” by Skidmore and Smith
-”The Labyrinth of Solitude” by Paz
-”The Buried Mirror” by Fuentes
-”Latin America: From Colonization to Globalization” by -Chomsky
-”Our America” by Marti
-”Essays of Authoritarianism and Democratization” but O’Donnell
July 11th, 2009 at 9:43 am
@redcaboose – Those “billions” aren’t really all that much. Why do you think we do business down there; because it is cheaper! We make way way more money then we actually put in to their economies. Also any money we do give them goes to the brutal dictators that we established, not to the people that need it; the people that are starving and living in poverty.
Thank you for this list, people need to see how greatly the US abuses its power in Central and South America. As with number 4 the majority of these “interventions” were about big business, not this so called threat of communism. The US doesn’t care about the ideology of who is the leader, they just care about whether or not whoever in charge is pro-US and allow them to do whatever they want there. The US has helped establish some of the most brutal dictators in this hemisphere.
After knowing these facts you expect us to believe that the war in Iraq was just about overthrowing a cruel dictator, yeah right.
If anyone wishes to read more about these awful tragedies check out Noam Chomsky, Understanding Power. It is a very insightful and though provoking look at US foreign policy.
Peace and Love to all
July 11th, 2009 at 10:46 am
oouchan @ 54 – What happened to your logo ?
July 11th, 2009 at 10:57 am
@undaunted warrior (55): As Thomas Magnum might say: “When I write my book on how to be a world-class private investigator, rule number 34 would have to be: if something looks out of place, the chances are you’re probably right – it is.”
July 11th, 2009 at 10:58 am
@ undaunted warrior: That’s because it’s a nickname stealing troll. I reported it to Jaime.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:26 am
@ Lifeschool (56)
@ oouchan (57)
Been on the site for a long time now, had to change my user name when we joined the new site.
You get to know the writing style, etc. etc. of most of the regulars, so if you read the comments carefully it is not all that hard to spot a troll.
Thanks for the reply both of you.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Interesting how there is a troll here that is spewing antiamericanism and promoting Chinese.
Right now I am in China. Behind the ‘great firewall’. Listverse is blocked/banned in China. No reason, no explanation. I am accessing through a proxy based in the Netherlands.
Those talking about the Chilean coup need to realize that, while there was CIA involvement, it wasn’t caused by the CIA. To blame it on America is kinda like blaming starvation in Africa on America. America doesn’t do anything about it, so it’s America’s fault.
Liberals and Antiamericans on this site tend to see American interventionism as terrible and also see non intervention as terrible.
As for occupying other countries. other nations, including China has a far worse history. While the US occupies Iraq, few informed individuals think it will be permanent or become a permanent part of the US. The US is not importing millions of its citizens to Iraq to give itself a majority.
Compare that to the actions of China upon a small helpless mountainous country to it’s west. The citizens of that country are rapidly becomming a minority in their own towns. Keep in mind i can’t say certain words or I will create trouble for myself. You have to fill in the blanks.
Chinese often think the CIA is responsible for most of the world’s troubles. The recently bombing in the Western part of this country is blamed by the people on the CIA. While the CIA tends to have an agent or two in every country, and therefore is generally there when bad things happen, it’s not responsible for everything. China has 10x more people monitoring the internet alone than the CIA has employees and agents.
I am not defending the US to the death. Several of the events are truly terrible. But perspective is needed. No other country would have given the canal to panama, witht hte possible exception of Britain. China would have settled panama and made it a province.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:37 am
@undaunted warrior (58):
, oh, and just one more thing before I fork off (!): if you click on the name of a commenter, wordpress will automatically take you to the comments box with a handy link back to their comment. Nice n easy. C U Gyz anon.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I enjoyed reading this list. Thanks Joe. Noam Chomsky would be proud of you.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
@16
I don’t know about the rest of the country, but I covered bay of pigs in 8th grade. I knew several others too, but it’s one of those things where you try to bring it up in class and everyone looks at you weird.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
You can thank Reagan for Grenada. I can’t imagine that Russia and Cuba’s friends in revolution would have been even remotely friendly.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
America should have went through with the Bay of Pigs. Instead Cubans have Castro and his brother until the end of time. And oh yeah, it might have helped the the Cuban Missile Crisis to not happen. Whatever the case, I’m glad America has the guts to stand up to dictators in the world.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
@Lifeschool (58): Big thanks i wondered how that was done
July 11th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I was always amazed that the Americans, being really warm, welcoming and generous people (well, at least the few I know), could put up with all the crap their government did. The lack of answers to this list gives me my answer. They simply don’t care or disregard certain facts as anti-US bashing…
July 11th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
First off I don’t know why everybody keeps saying these things are not taught in American schools, thats patatently absurd. I learned about all of these things at my school in Iowa and Im guessing thats the case at most other schools as well. Second the genearlizations are ridiculous, people keep saying “americans this” and “americans that” as if the 300 and some million individuals that make up this country had anything to do with anything on this list. Finally I find it hilarious that you chose to describe Agusto Pinochet’s regime as “one of the most opressive and brutal organizations of the 20th century” honestly? By what standard? You seem to forget the hundrends of millions killed by communist regimes not to mention the American govenment, the English gov., the israeli gov., the iranian gov. etc. etc. etc. Oh I forget they were all fighting the good fight wherein it’s okay to be brutal and oppressive.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Let’s look at the foreign policy of former “top powers” in the history of civilization: the Roman Empire, Spain, Britain, France, Mongols, the Soviets, the Germans, just to name a few. Even at its evilest, the US is a good superpower compared to what we’ve had before.
Oh, and I can’t wait to see in 100 years how China will behave as a superpower. People will say, “I miss the good old days when Americans at least tried to justify their belligerent actions.”
July 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Being born and raised in Latin America, this is a topic always on my mind.I wonder many a time how we could have grown without US intervention.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
History is exactly that…history.
The goal should be to learn from it and to try to do better in the future.
And to countries that do not desire the hand of foreigners stirring their countries affairs, say NO to the offer of financial and humanitarian efforts from those same countries as well.
July 11th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
@redcaboose (48): Thank-you!
July 11th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
land of the free ha ha lol
July 11th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Re “The Mexican Revolution”: General Pershing was known as “Black Jack”, not “blackjack”. I don’t wish to digress too much, but he received the nickname for racial reasons even though he was white. You can research the originif you wish.
July 11th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Gosh, this is tame compared to the Islam list! C’mon guys, a bit of controversy, please!
Most convicts sent to Australia were petty thieves, not prostitutes, rapists and murderers. (Of course, all my ancestors were free settlers. New Zealand, of course, was not fit even for a convict settlement!)
Now, about those murderous yanquis …
July 11th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
69 – Good point, but what I’m trying to say is that, as a world power, there’s stuff that inevitably is going to happen. Isolationism and Global outreach are completely antithetical, and as much as everyone would like the US not to mind everyone else’s business, it’s just impossible.
Look at what happened during World War II. Did the US go to Europe because they’re the world bullies? Churchill certainly didn’t think so, and surely all the Europeans who were pushing the US to intervene did not either.
Look at the conflict in Colombia. Does the Colombian government want to tell the US government to stay away because they will handle their own issues? Or will they want the World’s superpower to give them a hand in combating terrorism?
I’m not saying every instance in which the US intervenes is justifiable or even for the good of the general public, but doing that type of stuff is just something that comes along with being a superpower.
And, like I said, I’m not sure other countries, should they eventually become as powerful as the US has been, would be more peaceful than the US is.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
England was doing it before it was cool!
America is just following in Englands footsteps, in essence America is a spoilt little brat…The extent to which England meddled is such that the only continent that doesnt have pre-misconceptions about the British is South America, which England didnt exert too much in the way of influence over.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
That photograph under the title “The Bay of Pigs Invasion” is in fact a photograph of the Vietnam War.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Britain is America’s gimp, what they say we do. The Iraq war started because of U.S bulls**t about “weapons of mass destruction”.how many have died for no reason? Am i proud to be British hell noooo,not til we stoop ass kissing America.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Heys Guys
I would remember another one:
Brazil – 1964
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1964_Brazilian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#American_Involvement
July 11th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
@Andres(67)
Oh, and I can’t wait to see in 100 years how China will behave as a superpower.
How long do you expect to live dude?
July 11th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
yawn politics bore the crap outta me…how about the best non-metal songs sung by bat boone or something(kidding….)
July 11th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
if it was good for anything at all, the invasion of grenada made for a pretty bad ass clint eastwood move, heartbreak ridge. good ‘ol clint in classic devil dog form. loved it haha
July 11th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
America has not always been perfect, but most of you non-Americans would either be speaking German or Russian if it wasn’t for America stepping up to the plate.
Eventually, it will probably be America stepping up once again to make sure you’re not speaking Chinese in the future. By some of the comments, it looks like some of you won’t care if you have to. You’ll just sit back and play armchair quarterback.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
About the number two, everyone that cries for the deaths caused by the Chilean dictatorship must first do some math.
Allende was not a popular president thinking only on the good of his people. He was aiming to implement on Chile a socialist regime, Cuban style.
If he had been successful, the dead toll could be many times bigger by now. The Castro dictatorship could be easily blamed for 100.000 deaths (909 dead for each 100.000 inhabitants). Cubans were executed, imprisoned and died trying to escape the prison island, but most of the world tends to look to Cuba as a romantic revolution.
Allende was trying to destroy the Chilean economy to have an excuse to implement a dictatorship. The regime that succeeded him was made of thugs and thieves, but things must be put in the right perspective: it could be a lot worse.
By the way, this is the same thing that is happening on Honduras right now. The president tried to make an illegal change on the constitution to keep him in power. He was deposed legally, but most of the world is talking about a “military coup”. The truth is that the people from Honduras are resisting to foreign interference: one that came from Venezuela.
This could be a theme for a future list, no?
July 11th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
What I’ve learned during high school about the U.S. invasion in Panama was that the U.S. tricked Columbia into freeing Panama with money. Basically, Panama’s independence was not really an independence and U.S. bought us so that they could build a canal through us so that they can profit from it.
July 11th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
I dont know if anyone mentioned but the one that comes to mind is after Nicaraguas revolution, US support for the UNO political party which was almost forced with a blockade
July 11th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
You cannot seriously say that chile was better off with pinochet. He had hundreds killed in the first few days of the coup and thousands more tortured and killed in the next 17 years in the oppressive dictorship. Allende was DEMOCRATICALLY elected and didnt kill off his opponents therefore NOT a cuban style regime. Unlike other weakminded coward latin american leaders, allende had the balls to nationalise chile’s companies to keep the yanks from exploiting them.
July 11th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
@Steelman (82): Let’s please not get into a WWII discussion/debate… I’m all for America, don’t get me wrong, but we didn’t save the world from the USSR and Nazi Germany all by ourselves. That conversation is going to end up doing no good.
July 12th, 2009 at 2:07 am
The Americans didn’t do much to gain support did they, killing/overthrowing populist governments in Latin America on the basis of Communism during the Cold War like in Guatemala.
We should make the government apologise to all those deaths caused by bringing corrupt dictatorships to power, killing its own population.
I suppose the same thing has been done in the colonial era with the British and the French, but with America continuing it, it actually justifies all the resentment against America over the years.
The main problem people have against America is that they have the power to intervene and do so at their own digression with their power. This is true for WW2 where they intervened because of self-interest, not because of the pleas of its European allies. It is also ludicrous that the CIA can celebrate its “achievements” after what they have done. But its all in the “past” right?
July 12th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Not a very creative idea for a list , ”10 Cases of American Intervention in [Insert Country/Continent etc.]” Filling the blanks really..
Nice work though
July 12th, 2009 at 5:33 am
@Steelman (82): It will only be the americans fighting the Chinese lol
you will have to save yourselves this time, you havent fought a war all by yourselves in decades.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Where did you get this list, from Castro?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:32 am
@Viet Nam Vet (91): LMAO!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:25 am
@ian (86): Agreed. Allende may not have been flawless, but he set to right the vast imbalance between rich and poor. Pinochet, and the wealthier part of the population, disagreed and thus started his oppressive regime.
Many people have been greatly affected by the coup, and the things that followed. It’s quite a blemish on Chile’s history.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:50 am
(91) Uh yeah. I’m actually Fidel Castro incognito. I’m sitting in my office in Havana enjoying a fine Montecristo cigar and formulating more plots to antagonize the yanquis with top ten lists. You’ve foiled my nefarious plans once again.
Brilliant.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Gringo Joe, you were fine until you mentioned the cigars…I gave them up for health reasons and the mere mention of the word makes my addiction break out all over again. I’m convinced that 90% of those who wish to normalize relations with Cube want to get at their cigars again!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
88 – Whether instigated by self-interest or moral motives, America spent more money directing the allied forces toward victory than any other country, including the Soviets. That doesn’t make us (Americans) demigods or anything like that, but a little gratitude wouldn’t hurt. Seriously, using WWII as an argument against the US (or the USSR) is like using the proliferation of portable media players as an argument against Apple.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
It is rather comical hearing all these non-American posters commenting on what we Americans learn in school… I guess non-Americans are so superior that you have time to attend school in your own country and in America as well? America isn’t perfect but neither is your precious Britain, get your head out of your ass and do some research on your actions in Europe, Africa, and East Asia before joining the anti-American parade
July 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
nice list. i already knew/had vaguely heard of most of these beforehand, but its still interesting stuff. however, i’m more interested in early modern europe at the moment, don’t suppose theres any chance of a list covering that part of history? or just any list that doesn’t involve you-know-where (avoiding the a-word)
sick to death of blind patriotic tubthumper versus idiotic yank-hater type arguments.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
@Toemaytow (84): I’ll try to be careful with my wording as I’m no authority on the subject….
Didn’t the US also PAY for the building of the canal in dollars and lives lost to malaria and yellow fever.
Was there a country located in a better site to build the canal?
Did the finished canal bring the costs and time factor of import and export into a realistic scenario that could allow multiple nations to enter the free market.
Is the US the only nation to use the canal?
Did the US not give the canal back to Panama?
July 12th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
You forgot the oldest colony today – Puerto Rico. Its been over a century of yankee terrorist dominion.
YANKEE GO HOME (wherever that is…)
July 13th, 2009 at 7:02 am
What about Pablo Escobar and the War on Drugs? Also what about the FARC?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:15 am
This list is skewed and it’s not a good presentation of history because it lacks context. That is its most damning flaw. Reading this list, you would think the US simply strolls into other countries for the hell of it, confiscating goods and juggling governments. ‘Tis funny how there is no mention of European powers’ encroachment on the Western Hemisphere throughout the period covered in this list — most notably, by the Soviet Union from the 1950’s until the early 1980’s. Virtually all of the US’ actions described above were in response to that encroachment. And true, these were just imperialistic fights between the world’s big players, but it is still important for any good historian to put events in context. (That’s to all you enlightened folks complaining about American education.) Remember that the USSR ruled much of Eastern Europe pretty much outright during its heyday. Had its ambitions in Latin American gone unchecked — as most posters here seem to suggest they should have been — the world would have seen the kind of “intervention” in that region compared to which American incursions are storms in a teacup. (And, lest we forget, some of the places in question are good locales from which an invasion of the US mainland could be staged, so letting those places fall to the USSR would have put the US into an untenable position.)
By the way, before I get accused of having been brainwashed by CIA propaganda, know that I grew up in the Soviet Union. I was taught in my Soviet school that the war with the US was imminent, and that it would involve either an invasion of the US or a sponsorship of a communist revolution there.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Interesting how things like the more recent invasion of Panama, and the assistance in Columbia, and Somalia among others were not mentioned. Some bias, no? As for us not intervening, if we did that then the American politicians are accused of being uncompasionate. Yes, a lot (most) of these are for our country’s benefit alone, but isn’t that the point of a country, to do things that benefit it’s people and interests? It all comes down to a country that is basically conservative (US) being criticized by mostly more liberal countries
July 13th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I wish some foreign country would come here to the U.S. and engage in an intervention to keep communists and socialist from completly taking over. Maybe China can invade and institute some of its own economic reforms. China’s approach to economics seems to be working well. We desperately need help here as we are now a banana republic. We are about to take POW’s, house them with common criminals and try them as criminals. These people are freedom fighters. What kind of nation treats soldiers as criminals. It is disgusting to call what we are doing as a police action. The Geneva convention does not support these actions. Someone please come and invade us and bring some common sense here. We need a judicial system more like Europe. Russia is doing well, why can’t we copy their system.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
An invasion by China would surely be the best way to keep the US from becoming a socialist/communist state!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
dbrownl (comment number 3):
Damn Right! lol…
July 13th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
redisca (102)
Of course it ‘lacks context’ how much context do you think you can fit into one or two short paragraphs? The expectation is that LV readers are intelligent enough to research further for themselves if they are interested.
Re: the entire Pinochet/Allende thing It is times like this that I miss Anon’s posts.
onwisconsin (103) WTF has Somalia got to do with a list about the USA in Latin America?
fredlester (104) Nice joke
Gringo Joe; Thanks for the list.
Cheers
lee
July 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
@k1w1taxi (107):
I miss Anon’s comments, too.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
I had began a compliment of a reply when you originally wrote this 2days ago and got sidetracked by the inevitable series of repetition within what had already been commented on and replied by you, Senior GrinoJoe. (I thank thee for the lit suggestions) I wondered if it were the same GringoJoe I remember seeing here on this site and yup, so it seems.
Great list.
a little late on my part but none the less.
I have yet to wrap my mind around the iBiquity Corporation/Panama as of yet. What are the opposition/and global ramifications?
So It’s time to get up to date. So little time these days…..
gabi319/k1w1taxi-
By Anon, you mean Spanner in the works? He faked his death once on this site (at least acknowledged as such through his nome de plume rebirth). Perhaps he has passed the gas into the hereafter. Perhaps he’s still among us with yet another wordsmith eccentric manifestation. Although I haven’t pick up on it, but then again “come and go as you please” should read the doormat. I was very slightly puroozing the forums today(something I rarely do) and noticed a List Suggestion as A Topic Forum. I clicked and scrolled the titled and thought, ” well f*ck, hardly any of these have been made into this site as a list” then I also thought, “Look at all the response numbers, there must be nothing worthwhile in there if these have been made into lists by now”…then before all of this I had clicked into the Top List Ideas because a thought of past peoples that have stay for many lengths and have said great things and made some terrific jabs and poofs of smoke..vanished, or made public admonished declarations with elegance or abhorrent suicided stage exits,,, the banished/banned and censored into nonexistence….Oh man there’s a “list”. All these guys and galls here within. Lotsa “so longs/been nice never having mets/get losts/missings/R.I.P.s/. or lingering ghosts (like myself).
July 13th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
in the last, edits- a few mistakes in have and have nots, but gather the meaning if you please.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:18 am
Well what about a list on Non-American Intervention’s or a list on America ignoring genocides, etc…… that would be a great list !!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:34 am
This is just too much. This is taught in schools here in the US if you pay attention. Ya see the people who you don’t see on the news ripped to the tits on meth or filming a remake of an old movie for a global company or going to an ill advised war that most Americans disagree with. Let’s see yep Mr. Blair was down with that war wasn’t he? Well did you storm the parliament? NO?!? Most Americans are hardworking decent people. I hate that I have to share this in nearly every post but I’m a Native American Cherokee. THE US GOVERNMENT IS SCREWED I KNOW BETTER THAN ANY OF YOU! My ancestors were slaughtered and raped and burnt by you European immigrants too though.I mean while we’re being held responsible for everything our governments and ancestors have done, then that was you killing us! I have friends from North and South Africa, Britain, Canada, Australia, France, every South American country, New Zealand, Ireland, Scotland, Russia, Poland, Italy, Greece, Norway, Germany, Japan , China, Vietnam, Thailand. Ya know I might get very depressed if I only had this forum to go by. See, we are all very close good thing we got to meet before we ever knew we were supposed to hate each other. You guys should get out in the sun a bit try Tai Chi or Anger Management.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:39 am
@62 Kevin : you are completely unfounded in saying such a thing.
My Mum is from Grenada and i was shocked/not shocked at all to find it on this list. SHocked that people knew about what happened on the isle of spice, and not shocked because after growing up hearing the stories from my family of the atrocities done by the US during the invasion I could understood the full gravity of what the Reagan administration really did.
Makes me sick to my stomach to think about it now. Bishop, Fidel and Che are greatly admired in Grenada even to this day. Mr.R thankfully is NOT.
Grenada does haven’t Reagan to thank for sh*t.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:49 am
107: No, actually, it’s quite easy to include context — it only takes a couple of sentences, as my own post demonstrated. Of course, if the author did that, that would make it a much more boring list, no?
The list contains other examples of bias, such as the inflammatory hyperbole of calling Pinochet’s Junta “one of the most brutal and oppressive” regimes of the 20th century. There is no question that Pinochet’s regime, which imprisoned about 80 thousand people, tortured 30 thousand, killed about 3,200 and caused about 200 thousand to emigrate, engaged in horrific and unspeakable human rights abuses. But “one of the most brutal and oppressive”? Come on. This statement isn’t even arguable. Pinochet’s regime cannot even remotely compare to what were TRULY the most brutal and oppressive regimes of the 20th century — such as the communist regime in Cambodia (which exterminated 1/3 of that country’s population), the Nazi Germany (which perpetrated the 20th century’s most horrific wave of mass murder and brutality, laying waste to a whole continent), or the occupation regime in China during World War II (which murdered about 10 million Chinese; in Nanking alone, 300 thousand people were slaughtered in the space of just 6 weeks), or the communist regime in East Germany (where 1/6 of the population regularly reported to the Stasi on their own family, friends and neighbors, and mind-numbingly detailed dossiers were kept on … well, everybody). The Soviets — you know, President Allende’s friends — murdered tens of millions of their own people (some estimates place the number of victims over 100 million, but it is certainly in the high 8 figures), deprived several countries in Eastern Europe of even a semblance of sovereignty and continued a vigorous practice of judicial murder, punitive psychiatry, and horrific medical experiments on dissidents well in the 1980’s; this regime also engaged in forced “resettlement” and population transfers designed to break up communities and ethnic groups, with (intended)catastrophic results. So where does that leave Pinochet’s Chile? Brutal and oppressive, yes; “one of the most brutal and oppressive” — not even close.
Moreover, the section on Panama obfuscates the fact that the French and the Americans actually BUILT the d-d Panama Canal, and that Americans also built (and, naturally, the American taxpayers paid for) extensive local infrastructure, the draining of swamps, and the eradication of malaria. And yes, “good” colonialism is still colonialism, but I think the above facts are very relevant to the US’ claim for control of the Canal.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
@faketree78 (37): I am so sick and tired of some people on this site who say they are Americans and then turn around and say that they do not control the government. Yes, you do. That has always been the beauty of the system. As Americans, you have the right to police your government and politicians. you choose not to. you are lazy in this respect. It is your responsibility as an American to know what your government is doing. You all knew what was going on in Irac and no one did anything about it. Everyone just bitched and complained. You want everything done for you. The ideal of this country is great but its people are a lazy, whining, “everybody owes me” waste of space. Start thinking for yourselves and doing for yourselves. If you don’t like something in the United States, change it!! It is your right as an American.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
sick and tired (115): what are we supposed to do then, overthrow the government? Override the Constitution? Every time the government invades a country? Reelecting Bush was a mistake, a grave one, but we can’t do a coup d’etat every time our dear president happens to militarily intervene in another country.
Also, mind the fact that the US system is NOT designed to be a direct democracy (no other developed country has one either). We the citizens are accountable for electing dickheads like George Bush twice (and only 50% of the population did that—not every one of us is guilty), but we are NOT accountable for their actions.
Oh, and you are brutally wrong in the first place. We DID do something to change the situation. We stripped Republicans of their control over Congress AND elected a Democrat as president. Yes, we, Americans, elected the man who promised to end the war in Iraq among other things. We even gave Democrats a goddamn filibuster-proof majority in the Senate and a safe advantage in the House. So don’t come here and tell us we aren’t doing anything to undo what Bush and his cronies did
July 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
We all think that America is the superpower of the world, holding good ideals of democracy and freedom but do they let other countries have their say? I know this is all bias and such but it is the truth that American intervention is for their own self interest. I’m don’t hold any ill-will against the American people, but the politicians and the government that controls them. You should still blame America as a whole as its a democratic nation. You all have to take the rap, you’re part of the government system, that’s what a democracy is, even if it is a sham. The fact you were able to prevent many actions caused by the US by simply voting without violence is reason enough. Shifting the blame never did anyone good and you all should know that.
This list may be out of context, but the facts don’t lie, just because America installed dictatorships that kill less people then the Chinese, Soviets, Khmer Rogue etc doesn’t make it any LESS barbaric and insensitive. This leads back to my previous point of American self-interest. However America has changed over the last century, we cannot forgot the atrocities it has committed, however small it is compared to other nations. This is much like murders in places like Mexico, Russia and Brazil where they are so commonplace, news reports usually ignore other ‘minor crimes’ such as assault, burglary etc. Compare that with places like Australia or Norway or whatever where every small crime is reported because there’s nothing else there. Compared to American standards, something like a CIA backed coup in a foreign nation or direct invasion causing massive numbers of deaths should be intolerable by American standards. Think of Iraq, Afghanistan, Iran and all the bloodshed it caused. America may not be a pariah but it doesn’t justify its actions
Bash my comment if you want, but you need to understand no matter what America has done, it has done some wrong even if it is less “severe” then other nations- unless mass murders are justified when they achieve some mundane goal.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:15 am
And the sad thing is that the US still intervenes in other countries for its own benefits. And as for ‘the kings of democracy’ take a look at Iraq, it has a pro-US president, i mean really, in an honest election you wouldn’t have a pro-US president after their government has just invaded your country.
Edit: not a US hater (its your overseers)
July 15th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Gringo comes from an old Spanish word for “Greek” (i.e., foreigner). How stupid is that to think that a SPANISH word would be formed from two ENGLISH words?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Nice list
It’d be swell if someone wanted to write a list entitled “Ten South and Central American Nations the United States Has Not Officially or Unofficially Invaded, Undermined Economically, Manipulated Politically or Supported Military Coups In.” I guess I might be waiting a while for that one
And maybe the titles a bit long?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Bob – it is not stupid at all. There’s even a goddamn term for that–anglicismos. Much of the Latin American jargon consists of anglicismos or other extranjerismos that come from the English language.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
hello!!! there’s a lot more… dictatorships in south america…. paraguay, argentina???? operation condor…supported by US government tooooooooooooooooooooooo!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
They all seem like pretty reasonable measures to me. Compared to the tens of millions of corpses piled up by foes of the U.S. during the relevant periods, this was patty-cake.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
@Gringo Joe (43):
Fascinating list! I´m so sad I missed it when it first came out! And here´s hoping someone might still be reading this…
I think the main problem with including Chile in this list is that the US was not responsable for that coup. US intertention in places likes Guatemala, Nicaragua and Grenada was direct and purely for economic gain. The director of the CIA taking violent action to protect the value of his shares in the UFC? It´s incredible that something like this was allowed to happen.
The US, in its current position as world super-power, is stuck in a very akward position: either intervene and be bashed for its “colonialist” attitude or NOT intervene and be bashed for its insensitive attitude. I guess for me the defining question would be: am I intervening solely to protect my own interests or do I genuinely care about improving the situation in a particular country? It´s naive and downright impossible, I know, but this is the only way to avoid situations like those above. Installing a brutal military dictatorship just to protect your own personal wallet? You cannot logically say you had anyone´s best interests at heart except your own… Therefore, can you really blame anyone when they hate you for it?
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@deeeziner (69):
“And to countries that do not desire the hand of foreigners stirring their countries affairs, say NO to the offer of financial and humanitarian efforts from those same countries as well.”
You´re kidding, right? How very noble of you, not caring about anyone unless there is a direct benefit to be gained from it. So I guess we shouldnt donate a dollar to that starving child unless we expect him to make us cheap clothes… Please. It´s this self-serving attitude that gives you (as an American) a bad name to begin with.
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@Renato Lellis (83):
Quick question: where are you from? Not attacking, just genuinely curious. Venezuela is really the country we should be talking about. In the very recent past it has intervened in Ecuador, Bolivia, Honduras, Peru (they gave HUGE financial support to Humala, a “revolutionary” presidential candidate), etc. Speaking as a Venezuelan citizen I can say without a doubt: CHAVEZ SUCKS.
July 17th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Oh, and just as a side note, anyone interested in Rafael Trujillo and the Dominican Republic should read La Fiesta del Chivo by Mario Vargas Llosa. It´s fiction but still an AMAZING book.
July 18th, 2009 at 4:15 am
@GTT(124):
Why do you think Hugo Chavez sucks? Curious. Also, the coup in Chile was actually partly finaced and organised by the CIA which is intervention, the operation was known as Track II.
July 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
50% of this site is pro-American, good to see it go the other way
July 19th, 2009 at 2:18 am
@GTT (124): But it’s ok to install a brutal dictator, as long as it doesn’t benefit you financially?
@scotsworth (127): Also, a suprisingly high percentage of readers are also morons. You reckon there’s a corrolation there?
July 19th, 2009 at 2:35 am
Seriously… nothing in this world is perfect. I think you all understand why i say that.
Great list regardless.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:04 am
@archangel (129): No they’re not, but all it takes for the bad guys to win, is for the good guys to do nothing. Sometimes, poor is just poor and we have to live with it. Sometimes however, poor is unacceptable. As some of these really are when viewed “objectively”.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:32 am
scotworth – really, 50% of this site is pro-American? Can you cite some of these “pro-American” lists? From my recollection over the last year, there have been few, if any, positve lists referencing the US. The only way your perception is true is if you view any list that doesn’t bash the US (movies, diseases, etc) as pro-American. If you want a site that devotes all its attention to how and why America is the devil, this isn’t it.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
@johnny (126):
For quite a number of reasons, the first being that I am a Venezuelan citizen who has seen the country go to the crapper since he became president.
Oil prices (remember oil is Venezuela´s prime natural resource) has been at record highs for near his entire time as president and yet the country´s infrastructure has not improved one bit. In fact, the main brigde leading to the capital´s (Caracas) airport was unusable for quite some time because he refused to have it fixed.
Anyone who voted NO against his constitutional amendments are now on a (black) list. This means that you cannot apply to any official positions, and are hassled every time you need a new document (my brother has now been waiting for 6 months to hear back about his passport… n the meantime, he cannot leave the country).
You cannot take your money out of Venezuela (as in, a foreign bank) and venezuelans are only given a small amount of dollars a year to travel. That is why there is a thriving black market. If you trade a dollar at a bank you get about 2500 bolivares but in the street you can rake in at least 5000 per dollar because people are so desparate to stockpile dollars.
However, all of that pales in comparison to the worst consequence of his regime: an unprecedented increase in violence. Last year, 2,165 died as a result of VIOLENT crime in Caracas alone. The first half of 2009 carries a death toll of 1,499 people which means estimates for the year are above the 3000 people mark. Compare that to the 4400 deaths of US servicemen/women in 6 years in a WAR ZONE. Every other week you hear stories of people you know who have been murdered (usually as a result of theft). Just last week I had to console my sister-in-law because her cousin´s wife (who was 4 months pregnant at the time) was shot and killed as a result of a band of a**holes who wanted to rob her car.
This and more is why I think Hugo Chavez sucks.
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@Mark (128):
I´m confused… What purpose would that serve? I´m trying to say that you cannot really blame someone who hates you because you supported a brutal regime simply because it was good for your wallet (or for any number of other selfish reasons). Now, can you please clarify your point?
July 21st, 2009 at 2:29 pm
@ GTT (124)
I’m from Brazil and I’m part of the minority group that is concerned about the degeneration of democracy in the region. Most of this degeneration is supported by Mr. Chavez in many ways.
Unfortunately most of the Brazilians are crazy about anything that vaguely resembles socialism. Even it is only in the name and the red beret.
Regards
July 21st, 2009 at 4:27 pm
@Renato Lellis (133):
Thanks for your post. Believe me this topic scares me more than most people on this forum could understand. Not only do I have 2 brothers and their families, not to mention friends, living in this disaster zone, I moved to Peru to try to avoid his craziness only to have him set up Humala as his puppet candidate.
It´s very scary especially when you hear people who do not live in the region praise him for his “great” reforms. If you have not lived through the fear of the constant threat of violence, then you really need to keep your mouth shut (obviously not directed at YOU particularly…
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In any case, thanks for your post!
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am
no mexican invasion?
August 9th, 2009 at 2:15 am
I have never gotten how ppl from the US can so carelessly call themselves americans….America is a frikin continent
By the way, the US has been doing a lot of invading before the 20th century, check out James Polk and the mexican-american war (I think even Linclon called shenanigans on that one)
For those that say that the US is not worse than Spain, the romans or the mongols…well, mongols lived many centuries ago, everybody was an asshole back then,the same with romans .When Spain invaded Mexico , they mixed with the natives, created a rich colony both economically and culturally and paved the way for Mexico to become the country that it became during the end of the 19th century (at is peak)…When americans invaded mexico they took half the teritory…just sayin
August 16th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Yeah, we as Americans have done a lot of bad here, there’s no denying that, but I want to remind all of the holier than thou Europeans about colonialism. The US has never come close to committing atrocities on the scale of those conducted by the European powers in Africa. Read a little about the Belgians in the Congo. How about the Spanish conquistadores in South America? Before you so easily throw around America bashing comments take a look at your own histories.