Yet Another 10 Fascinating Facts That Are Wrong
- Published February 3, 2010 by Saint Cad - 249 Comments
Use these 10 facts (or are they officially factlets yet?) at your next party or office meeting and you’ll be guarantied an argument. People will insist that you’re wrong because, “Everyone knows…” Incidentally, I use number 2 when I teach logic to get students to discuss the nature of truth.
The error: Franklin Roosevelt’s “New Deal” was not built upon the ideas on John Maynard Keynes.
I put this one first since it is probably the most open to dispute.
Marriner Eccles was a prominent banker who saved his family bank from ruin when the Depression hit. It was he who told the Senate in 1933 that the key to stopping the Depression was spending. Roosevelt later rewarded Eccles with the chairmanship of the Federal Reserve and he wrote the Banking Act of 1935, a post he held for fourteen years. In honor of his work, the headquarters of the Federal Reserve is housed in the Eccles Building.
Although Keynes’ papers had been around in some form for the three years before the New Deal, the evidence indicates it was not a major influence on national economies until 1936. Keynes work during the Depression consisted primarily with unemployment as a function of savings and investments (1930) and public spending (1933). His book “General Theory of Employment, Interest and Money” did not come out until 3 years after Eccles’ testimony and the New Deal had started.
The error: Prince Charles will not be Charles III when he assumes England’s throne
It has been officially denied (imagine talking about what name you’ll have when your mum dies), but it is believed by many sources based on reports from Charles’ friends that he will take George VII as his regnal name when he assumes the throne. There are many theories as to why with the two most popular being: Charles is an unlucky name for English monarchs (Charles I was deposed and Charles II very nearly so) and that George is to honor his grandfather George VI.
The error: The 18th Amendment to the Constitution (Prohibition) did not outlaw drinking.
Drinking alcohol was never outlawed – only making, transporting, and selling it. Liquor could legally be consumed provided it was purchased before Prohibition. If you want to get pedantic about it, the 18th Amendment did not even outlaw that. It was the Volstead Act that implemented Prohibition that made making, transporting and selling alcohol illegal. The 21st Amendment would later repeal this amendment but still make it illegal to transport alcohol in areas where it was still banned (so-called “dry counties”).
From time to time, the 18th/21st Amendment still is the basis for lawsuits between a state and the federal government. For example, in South Dakota v. Dole (1987), South Dakota claimed that the federal government’s national minimum drinking age of 21 was a violation of the 21st Amendment but the federal government’s position was upheld 7-2 under the Tax and Spend clause.
The error: Paul Revere did not ride all the way to Concord on 16 April 1775 to warn American Minutemen that the English army was invading. And Charles Dawes didn’t finish the ride either.
Dr. Joseph Warren sent Paul Revere and Charles Dawes to Concord to warn John Hancock and Samuel Adams of the invasion and soon met Dr. Samuel Prescott returning home from an evening out. All three were soon captured by the British, but Dawes and Prescott (not Revere) quickly escaped. Some say that Dawes was then thrown from his horse and had to walk back to Lexington but others claim after the escape he was lost and had to ride back to Lexington. Of the three, only Prescott finished the ride all of the way to Concord.
The error: Abraham Lincoln was not a Republican when he won the 1864 election.
By changing the name of his party to “National Union Party”, Lincoln was able to court Copperhead (War Democrat) voters who would never vote Republican. More than just a name change, he selected the only southern Democrat senator not to resign his seat , Andrew Johnson, to run as vice-president. Despite a convention to raise support for mid-term elections, the Republicans in the party joined the ranks of the radicals. By March of 1867, Johnson was the only Unionist in office that had not defected and it became a splinter group of the Democratic Party although ironically the Republicans kept the name of National Union Republicans for a while and consider it part of their lineage.
The error: American colonists did not protest the Tea Tax with the Boston Tea Party because it raised the price of tea.
The American colonists preferred Dutch tea to English tea. The English Parliament placed an embargo on Dutch tea in the colonies, so a huge smuggling profession developed. To combat this, the English government LOWERED the tax on tea so that the English tea would be price competitive with Dutch teas. The colonists (actually some colonists led by the chief smugglers) protested by dumping the tea into Boston Harbor.
The error: Robert Fulton’s famous steamship was not named the Clermont.
All of the official records list the boat as North River Steam Boat and even Fulton called it the North River. A later biographer accidentally called it the Clermont, which was the city it was berthed at. There were other steamboats before the North River and but like many inventors, Fulton is given credit because he made the first practical one. His boat ferried passengers on the New York City/Albany run and usually took all day including an overnight stop. Two side note: the engine for the North River was built by another famous inventor who took an existing idea and made it practical – James Watt. Also, Fulton built a working submarine and called it the Nautilus.
The error: The US President that dealt with the Great Depression by asking employers to reduce profits and not lower wages, promoted public works programs, and creating the Reconstruction Finance Corporation was not Franklin D. Roosevelt.
Despite the fact that he started federal programs that were the precursor of the New Deal, President Herbert Hoover never really felt that the Depression would last as long as it did. Many people felt that Hoover was uncaring of the plight of the poor; however Hoover was independently wealthy before entering politics and gave all of his government checks to charity. He believed in charity as his work in Europe during and after World War I shows and when he became Secretary of Commerce in the United States he worked to foster ties between business and government to improve service throughout the nation. Herein lies the fundamental problem that Hoover had with dealing with the Depression; when the Great Depression hit, he counted on the generosity of all Americans to help the country through and unfortunately, he was sadly mistaken.
It’s interesting to note that in Barack Obama’s current handling of the Recession, he is more like Hoover than Roosevelt including counting on banks to increase loans (which they were hesitant to do for both Hoover and Obama) and running deficit spending (it was campaigning against deficit spending that helped Roosevelt win the presidency in 1932).
The error: Joan of Arc was not convicted of heresy.
Joan denied all of the heresy charges and she was never convicted of that crime despite the many traps the prosecution laid for her. During the trial, a prosecutor made a off-hand question and asked if it was true that she dressed like a man during battles. Seeing no harm in telling the truth, she replied yes and this was enough to seal her doom. This transvestism violated Deuteronomy 22:5 and was enough for the court to convict her of violating God’s Law and since that particular law carries a death penalty, she was burned at the stake.
Great care was made to give the appearance of a trial in accordance with canon law, but many aspects, including the official record, were fraudulent. Pope Callixtus III reopened the trail and she was exonerated and Bishop Pierre Cauchon castigated for using a religion court to settle a secular dispute.
The error: In the Old Testament of The Bible, “Lucifer” does not refer to the fallen angel.
“Lucifer” (light-bearer)is a generic title referring to the morning star (Venus). As such, it has been used throughout history to refer to Satan, Christ, and others. With this in mind, Isaiah 14:12 starts out “How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning!”. Taken as a separate verse, this appears to refer to the battle of angels – however, the PASSAGE starts at Isaiah 12:4 “Thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon” and towards the end is Isaiah 14:22 “For I will rise up against them saith the Lord of hosts, and cut of from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, Saith the Lord.” Thus Lucifer in the Old Testament refers to some unnamed Babylonian king.


























1 callumcowan
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:31 am
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2 ants1
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:31 am
Noooo everything i thought i knew was wrong, the humanity!
Awesome list.
3 T
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:31 am
I really enjoyed this list
4 ants1
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:34 am
And by awesome i mean very Red White and Blue
5 shamusoconner
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:37 am
Nice list
6 lala
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:39 am
awesome list… didnt know any of the 10. now i do.
7 donald
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 am
I dont get this list….5/10 of the topics that Ive heard of, I knew the right facts. Iv never heard anyone say that lucifer is not the fallen angel. Never heard that joan of arc was not convicted of heresy, ….and the fdr things. weird list.
8 KatiesGoldenDust
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 am
For some reason, most of these did not surprise me. I probably have come across them before. I guess my troll of the internet in search of random facts has finally made me feel smart concerning a Listverse list.
However, pertaining to the facts I didn’t already know, I found them to be quite interesting. Well written and enjoyable list, Saint Cad!
9 donald
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 am
oh… I just reread. my mistake.. excellent list.. i think.
10 KatiesGoldenDust
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:43 am
*trolling of the internet
11 BravehisTickle
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:46 am
Great list- just rectify the typo ‘guarantied’ in the intro. It’ll be error free then
12 apepper
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:47 am
It’s fairly well known than Prince Charles isn’t going to be King Charles; but Charles I wasn’t deposed – he was beheaded!
13 Karl
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 am
I know #1. Lucifer was the god of light in Roman mythology. We should call the Prince of Darkness Satan, or the devil. They’re more appropriate.
14 JTBT
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:50 am
the list is worded weirdly. when i read “the error” i believe i’m going to read THE ERROR. but they’re actually the facts.
15 JTBT
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:51 am
or wait. facts that are wrong. um never mind. i don’t know.
16 capt Funtime
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:53 am
im either ill learned, or these topics are quite obscure…
17 melissa
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:59 am
Why is every header a double negative?
“The error: Joan of Arc was not convicted of heresy” which means she was.
False (or the error): Joan of Arc was convicted of heresy
Interesting facts though.
18 michael
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:05 am
man, I didn’t know ANY of those topics expect the teabag thing… man
19 fiesman
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:17 am
i got a better #1. got does not exist.
20 DC
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 am
I really really hate it when people say this, but this list really is far too American. Only 3 out of the 10 facts did not concern the USA and I have never heard of any of those other 7 facts before. I’m sorry, I very rarely say this but I did not enjoy reading this list, I just got very frustrated.
21 63jax
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:25 am
boring, except 1 and 2.
22 CORESPLIT
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 am
TOO american… wasn’t able to understand much of the list and for the others, i wasn’t interested… JF sincere request, please try to be neutral… BTW, i am indian…
23 tookyb
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:35 am
I also found this list a bit confusing to read. Took a few reads to figure out if the error was the rumour or the fact. I would suggest a better format in future.
24 Pyderz
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:35 am
I’d say it would be interesting if i had any clue about any of them
25 Luke
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:40 am
Nice list! Great read for an American who cares about others anyway!For too American protesters ,write your own damn lists idiots!
26 Armodillotron
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:43 am
It`s probably just me, but it is SCARY that one day, Prince Charles will be King. I love the Queen, she represents us well on the world stage, but Charles.. Oh God.. Remember him shaking hands with Robert Mugabe at the Popes funeral? The guys a twit.
27 Otter
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:45 am
@fiesman (19): Yeah, I don’t believe in got either. But God, that’s a different story altogether.
28 Moey
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:52 am
Too American tbh
29 JUNQUEMAN
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:55 am
TO #22–SORRY BOUT YOUR BAD LUCK BEING INDIAN
Wow, a list that is readable. No animal cruelity or premature burial.
30 Meh
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:02 am
@19
Got? You lost credibility there.
31 scrumpy
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:03 am
The error: good list
32 evilspwn
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:19 am
7 of the ten factlets were from american history. maybe a name change for the article so as not to mislead uninterested readers?
33 Rullolauz
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:36 am
Well although i must be expecting something more general,not exactly american, it was a good list n’ number 2 is my number 1 cause if anyone wants to admit must of the people out there knows that Lucifer isn’t Satan
34 Morticia
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:39 am
@DC (20) ditto.
35 Arsnl
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:40 am
The paul revere one seems familiar but im 99% sure the boston tea party was already part of another list with the same topic : the lowering of taxes.
36 Doc
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:40 am
It was William Daws who made a midnight ride, not Charles Dawes. Charles Dawes was Vice President of the United States for Calvin Cooldige.
37 Doc
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:41 am
Forgive the error… William Dawes…
38 Ziraphen
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:43 am
I, too, hate the ‘too American’ cries, but I did have to go back to the heading and re-read to see if I had misread the title or basis of the list. Either stick to all-American, or have a good mix. Hmm… I wonder if I wrote a list of All-Australian facts, it would be hailed as an interesting read, or condemned as a ‘Who wants to read about some country in the middle of nowhere’ type list.
39 Dave Rattigan
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:02 am
It was a good list once I worked out the errors were actually the truths. ><
40 Scott
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:13 am
For those of you who complain about lists being too American, remember personal computers and the internet along with many other everyday conveniences such as the electric light, radio, TV, airplanes etc. were invented in America. So you wouldn’t be able to see this or any other American or non-American list on this site.
You’re Welcome.
41 WiseMenSay
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:15 am
@Armodillotron (26): look on the bright side, i don’t think Bessie is going anywhere soon. her mother did live to be over 100 remember. but yeah, i’d rather we just skipped Charles and went straight to William. it’d make a change to all the bloody Georges, at least.
42 Maximuz04
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:21 am
It is confusing that it says “Error” than has the actual truth in that line. It would be more clear if it said “the Myth” and had what people commonly believe.
I had to re read the first one twice before realizing this
43 Sheen
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:38 am
Unbelievable still i’m wondering the case of tea party and lucifer……..
nice!!!!!
keep growing
44 Dom
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:39 am
@Scott (40):
However, if you view this webpage with a wireless connection, you have Australia to thank, seeing as it was invented by CSIRO.
45 Ziraphen
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:42 am
Scott (40): Ahh! A beautiful Strawman argument. I think they were invented in America too. (That was humour, by the way.)
I think you will find that many of those inventions had contemporary counterparts in other countries. Edison vs Tesla, for instance. Gustave Whitehead (the first person to fly a plane, not the Wright Bros… Oh, wait for the arguments here) was German.
Basically, how we are looking at the list has nothing to do with the contents of the list itself.
46 AuthorityFigure
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:58 am
So many re-written histories…
47 jack
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:59 am
atlas will shrug
48 scrumpy
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:01 am
@ Scott (40)
You’re a fool.
(ad hominem attack always beats straw man).
49 Diamond_Dragon
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:22 am
What has happened to you people? “Too american” “Booohooo this list is too american I as an (insert any other country) feel discriminated”
Make one less american if you’re so damn hurt.
Have a good day
/Johan
50 SURYA
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:25 am
Hey, this list is not American enough!!! There are three non-US items!
What the hell!
51 oouchan
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:26 am
Interesting list, Saint Cad.
I knew of all of these but its still nice to re-read. I use the Honest Abe one almost all the time with politics.
52 cyberjam39
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:28 am
I agree with previous comments that this list is too american. IMHO there are far too many facts that can be refuted which does not concern america. Doesn’t mean it’s a poor list though.
53 nicoleredz3
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:35 am
@ (40) Scott
Are you a redneck?
Anyhew, cool list…
54 ronsantohof
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:40 am
I always believed that Joan of Arc was executed for the heretical thought that the French could actually win a war!
55 Stefan
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:53 am
i thought this list would be fun with facts the world knows.. not something about the bullshit amendments, US presidents and laws… but got better
56 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:14 am
Ha, a number of you are “uninterested” in reading facts about America. And you call THEM close minded?
Who gives a fuck if the list is American or Japanese or fucking Greek…get over it. Don’t read if you don’t want to.
57 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:15 am
Oh…and goodlist.I found it interesting
58 SURYA
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:36 am
Lists like this should come with a warning message: WARNING!!! CONTENT TOO AMERICAN!!! READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!
59 Chris
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:46 am
I hate it when listversers say “too american”, but this list is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyy too american i don’t get most of the items. i like #1 though
60 Chris
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:55 am
let’s not call lists like this “too american/greek/japanese/etc..”, . let’s call them “Too Ethnically Biased You Probably Won’t Get It”, haha
61 NickNamed
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:59 am
I’m not American – I never have been and I doubt I ever will be – but I for one am genuinely glad to know interesting little titbits like the fact that the Boston Tea Party was caused by a lowering of tax. I wonder whether there’d be the same complaints if most of these items had been from, say, Togo or Tajikistan. Or is it only American trivia that people moan about…?
Regarding the king naming business, does a king get to freely choose his name or is there a “set menu” he has to choose from? Because, I mean, if it were me I’d choose a totally rockin’ name like King Zeke or King Ghidorah.
62 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:01 am
@fiesman (19):
got [gɒt]
vb
1. the past tense and past participle of get
have got
a. to possess he has got three apples
b. (takes an infinitive) used as an auxiliary to express compulsion felt to be imposed by or upon the speaker I’ve got to get a new coat
have got it bad or badly Informal to be infatuated
63 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:02 am
Well, I don’t read the lists about creatures from Japanese folklore and cry cause I have never heard of them. I wasn’t pissed off when I saw Prince Charles on the list. Isn’t the whole point to learn something new?
The lists on this site, on the whole, are really great reads. The comments, however, are incredibly fucking whiney and annoying.
64 domo arigato
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:03 am
@Scott (40):
What you said was just dumb.
65 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:04 am
@NickNamed:
Exactly.
66 Lily
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:20 am
This list is ok… it felt like I’m reading passages from text books in history class. Not exactly “fascinating” to me but it’s good to store more facts into my brain hehe
67 Andy V
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:22 am
Nice List….Informative…
68 get a clue
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:30 am
This list is obviously too intelligent for a select few pedestrian people. I think JFrater should come up with a list that appeals directly to those who cannot comprehend facts or information about the United States of America.
I suggest it be titled “Top 10 things you probably haven’t figured out yet (but the Americans have, so get a fucking clue already)”
10. Eclipses happen on a regular, predictable basis, whether or not you toss virgins into the local volcano.
9. It’s called fire and all civilized people have mastered it already, so get onboard.
8. A visit to your area by National Geographic or the Discovery Channel means you’re only a century or so behind the basics, such as electricity.
Etc., etc. etc.
Thanks for playing.
69 Ricky Bobby
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:44 am
@Scott (40):
Ricky Bobby: You say you’re French?
Jean Girard: Oui.
Ricky Bobby: We? No, we are not French. We’re American, because you’re in America, okay? Greatest country on the planet
Jean Girard: Well, what have you given the world apart from George Bush, Cheerios, and the ThighMaster?
Ricky Bobby: Chinese food?
Cal Naughton, Jr.: Chinese food.
Jean Girard: That’s from China.
Ricky Bobby: Pizza.
Jean Girard: Italy.
Cal Naughton, Jr.: Chimichanga.
Jean Girard: Mexico.
Ricky Bobby: Really, smarty-pants? What did French land give us?
Jean Girard: We invented democracy, existentialism, and the Ménage à Trois.
Cal Naughton, Jr.: Those are three pretty good things.
Ricky Bobby: Hey.
Cal Naughton, Jr.: Well that last one’s pretty cool.
70 Andy
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:44 am
The items concerning FDR and the New Deal are revisionist boilerplate that don’t really address a concrete “fact.” It sounds like someone in your Econ class pissed you off and so you wrote this list because yeah, those libruhls don’t know they actually elected a Hoover and not an FDR. This is my general problem with ListServ, in that so many of the lists (or items in the lists) don’t understand the difference between an empirical argument and an emotional one. Either type can produce wonderful lists, but a list will lose all credibility when it blurs the lines. To write that FDR played no part in using the Federal Government to create jobs is fallacy, revisionist history to back up whatever view you have of history. It certainly can be a valid point if in the context of an opinioated list, but by headlining this thing “facts that are wrong” you are being intellectually dishonest with your readership. If you’re only able to take pot shots at Obama through composing supposed empirical lists, stop now; drop out of that Econ class because that jerk libruhl next to you is only going to get more annoying; and try making another list that actually makes an argument about FDR/Great Depression/New Deal issues, not a masquerade of “facts that are wrong.”
71 lucy
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:49 am
(@Scott (40): I live in Argentina, which is part of America too. America does not equal “United States”, stop saying ‘America’ like you own it.
72 Chanchita
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:52 am
I hate it when people say “too American”, but I´ll tell you why this list WAS too American; I didn´t “know” the false facts before, so you haven´t disproved anything for me.
Plus this list is written stupidly. You´ve written: “THE ERROR:” and then proceeded to write the correction.
And in the introduction, you said that people would say “Oh, everyone knows that´s wrong.” WTF? I thought the whole point of the list was that no one knew the facts were false?
Poor show.
73 lucy
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:52 am
@get a clue (68): it’s not about being intelligent, it’s about giving people something more broad to read. Personally, I couldn’t care less about tea taxes, if Abe Lincoln was in a party or another or some ship. Joan of Arc and Lucifer are names recognized by more people, therefore, the subjects are more appealing.
74 Chanchita
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:55 am
@ Lucy (71) Sorry to tell you this, but it´s a fact of life that outside South America, “America” is considered to be the US.
Sorry, that´s just the way it is. We´d better just get over it and move the hell on.
75 GoddessLost
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:59 am
@get a clue (68): OUCH! That went a ‘lil too far.
I agree with those who said it above me: If you think this (and other lists) are too “American”, write up facts/interests/mysteries about your own countries!
I would love to learn about different areas, and the “10 Fascinating (Australian, Japanese, Germany, Portugal, etc.) Facts/Interests/Mysteries” would be an excellent way for us non-citizens of your country to learn a thing or two. Just don’t get upset when the reverse “Too (Australian, Japanese, Germany, Portugal, etc.)” happens with your list too
.
76 The Annoyed Elephant
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:04 am
Just a quick note on #6 (I’ll leave the Obama / FDR’s debate for another time):
In 1864, the Republican Party was still very new – much like the Reform Party in 2000 (both would’ve been about 8 years old). And much like the Reform Party in 2000, they split between a candidate that backed the 1860 ideals and a more radical candidate that backed more radical ideals. The Radicals took the convention – kinda.
Keep in mind that, in 1864, the “radical” in Radical Republicans meant that they wanted complete abolition of slavery, racial equality, and suffrage for blacks based on constitutional amendments. They also wanted MUCH more stringent guidelines for re-admission to the Union than Lincoln was comfortable with. Lincoln also wasn’t overly comfortable with forcing an end to slavery, either. If Lincoln had gotten his way, the 13th, 14th, and 15th Amendments may have never happened.
But Lincoln was popular with the people and took the Lincoln Republicans (as they called themselves), merged with a few Copperhead Democrats (pro-war Democrats who opposed the Southern Democrat plan of leaving the union) and formed the “National Union” ticket. To show his support, he dropped Radical Republican Veep Hannibal Hamlin from the ticket and took on Copperhead Andrew Johnson.
In September, the Republican nominee, John C. Fremont (who’d been nominated in 1856 for the Presidency by the GOP) ended his campaign and threw his support behind Lincoln – essentially creating a National Union / Republican ticket.
By the time 1868 rolled around, no one in Washington called themselves just “National Union”. The GOP claimed the “National Union” Party history as their own (rightly so – since it was mostly comprised of Lincoln Republicans) and the Democrats rejected it, thanking Andrew Johnson for his good work as President (while at the same time refusing to nominate the recently-impeached President for an election to the Presidency).
77 Saint Cad
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:27 am
As for the way the list was structured, I was inspired by Pope Pius IX Syllabus of Errors but I always found it hard to read since he gave the errors and so in your mind you had to reverse the statement for what he really wanted to say. As for the Americanism of the list, I’m an American and so I’m a little more familiar with the factlets here than abroad. But I should get 1/2 a point for the Robert Fulton one since I did mention James Watt as an “inventor” who took an existintion invention and made it practical.
Andy @70. It is a fact that Hoover started the RFC and it is a fact that Hoover ASKED corporations to have their workers best interests at heart. I don’t think it is a political statement to point out that both Hoover and Obama gave money to the banks naturally expecting the banks to lend more money and in both cases the banks hoarded the money instead. It’s more of a case of history repeating itself.
Lastly, I wasn’t presuming to get anyone here with these factlets since all of us know quite a bit of arcane trivia, but like I stated in the introduction, most of the general population wouldn’t know these.
78 Winston
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:32 am
Too American
Snooze!
79 tzopilotl
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:43 am
…well, good luck to charles/george 7. he goes from
frying pan to fire on this one. who will ever forget the mad georges that disconcerted england during our revolution? we even produced two of own mad georges recently, the son being the worst of the 2.
oh, 68, here’s a clue, we are fire and we haven’t mastered it yet, cf., tzopilotl wordpress.
80 SLiK-RO
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:54 am
WELL THANK GOD FOR ANOTHER GREAT AMERICAN LIST!!! IM SO GLAD THIS WASNT A BORING PUSSY ASS EUROPEAN LIST….AHHHHHHh!
DONT WORRY EUROPE YOUR LIST IS COMING OUT SOON:
TOP 10 FAGOTS IN EUROPE
AND
TOP 10 FAGOTY THINGS YOU CAN DO IN EUROPE.
81 get a clue
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:05 am
@Lucy, et. al.
Read what you bitch about. You want reading material “given” to you that satisfies your comfort level. No one held a gun to your head and made you turn on the computer, visit this site and read the list. No one. You did it because you wanted to. And now you’re bitching because the free stuff handed to you isn’t what you wanted.
Grow the fuck up you pathetic, whiny little brats.
82 tzopilotl
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:06 am
…how about a list on the royal families of europe,
but no arabs as they are still tribes=tribu(sp)=
tepulli((N)=the pully pricks.
83 daniel
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:08 am
number one is correct in a techincal sense. it does refer to a babylonian king, but also to satan as well. it is like a metaphor or parable, and it is not uncommon for verses in the Bible to have one meaning. many parables of Jesus had more than one meaning.
84 jes
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:09 am
I absolutely despise all the bashing that has gone on lately in the comments; however, the author of this list really deserves every bit of criticism about the construction of this list he/she gets. If you call the list, “Facts that are Wrong,” and you start out with “The Error: [xyz],” most readers will believe [xyz] is wrong.
Let’s beat a dead horse, shall we?
By saying “the error: [xyz],” I would suspect that 99% of the readers of this list will think what is contained in the [xyz] is, in fact, an error.
Most people think of a colon (“:”) as an equal sign (“=”). Obviously, the reader and anyone that made sense of this list do not.
This failure in syntax is so confusing that many people would walk away from reading this list thinking [xyz] is a false statement.
For example, Number 2 on the list “The error: Prince Charles will not be Charles III when he assumes England’s throne.” I read that and said to myself, “Oh, Prince Charles WILL be Charles III when he assumes England’s throne, since the author said it is an erroneous assumption that Prince Charles WILL NOT be Charles III.”
Perhaps for ease of logic these “Facts that are Wrong” lists should start out with the fact that is wrong.
The Truth: [xyz]
or
The Error: [common misconception about xyz]
Then in the paragraph below detail how the misconception is wrong.
Let’s review. Colon = Equals. This list: Bad.
Or for those of you who seem to think a colon is equivalent to “does not equal,” this list: Good.
A very simple tweak could have made this a stellar list. Alas, Listverse seems to lack a review committee.
If the creators of this site had any pride in their pet project, Listverse, I would expect there to be some type quality control. If lists like these make their way to publication, I would expect the book to drop flat.
Other than that, I usually enjoy reading the lists. I think my concerns have been echoed over the last few weeks. A lot of the badgering that goes on by commenters to authors of lists is mostly due to poor editing versus the central concept of the list. A little quality control, editing, and pride would go a long way.
85 Frank
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:12 am
This place reminds me of the 3rd grade.
86 Blair
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
The English throne? Ignorence at the highest level.
87 cyberjam39
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:16 am
@get a clue(68) So just because your american and you got discovery channel makes you a better person? FYI I know most of the things listed here courtesy of the books and tv (read: public speeches) that contain your lies and whatnots. This list is good but it would not appeal to a global audience.
88 Brad
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:22 am
Your interpretation of #1 is actually not entirely true. In scripture, Babylon is used both literally and symbolically. In the case of books of prophecy such as Isaiah and Revelations, Babylon typically symbolizes the world and all the evil contained in it. Thus, the “king of Babylon” would actually mean “king of evil”, meaning Lucifer IS referring to Satan. Make sense?
89 Savanti Romero
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:26 am
Israel Bissell was a post rider in Massachusetts who alerted the American colonists of the British attack on April 19, 1775. He rode for four days and six hours covering the 345 miles from Watertown, Massachusetts to Philadelphia along the Old Post Road, shouting “To arms, to arms, the war has begun,” and carrying a message from General Joseph Palmer which was copied at each of his stops and redistributed:
Wednesday morning near 10 of the clock – Watertown.
To all the friends of American liberty be it known that this morning before break of day, a brigade, consisting of about 1,000 to 1,200 men landed at Phip’s Farm at Cambridge and marched to Lexington, where they found a company of our colony militia in arms, upon whom they fired without any provocation and killed six men and wounded four others. By an express from Boston, we find another brigade are now upon their march from Boston supposed to be about 1,000. The Bearer, Israel Bissell, is charged to alarm the country quite to Connecticut and all persons are desired to furnish him with fresh horses as they may be needed. I have spoken with several persons who have seen the dead and wounded. Pray let the delegates from this colony to Connecticut see this.
J. Palmer, one of the Committee of Safety.
At the end of Bissell’s first leg, in Worcester, his first horse collapsed and died from having been driven so hard. At each town along the way, church bells were rung and muskets fired to spread the word; when he reached Philadelphia, the pealing of the Liberty Bell caused a crowd of 8,000 to assemble to hear the news. Bissell then returned to Connecticut, where he joined the army alongside his brother, Justis. After the war, he moved to Middlefield, Massachusetts. Bissell died in 1823 and was buried in the Maple Street Cemetery in Hinsdale, Massachusetts.
90 lrigD
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:40 am
Interesting list. Since I’m not American I don’t know too much about the American items, but that doesn’t bother me.
So here’s a non-American who doesn’t agree with all non-Americans that this list is too American.
Funny sentence… xD
91 Maxo
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:45 am
All of these “too American” comments are so annoying.
I think your energy could be better used at making lists that you think are better. I don’t know… crazy idea!!
92 Fathead
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:50 am
List author clearly does not understand the bible. Number 1 is completley false. You can’t base your entire point on one passage of the bible.
Very silly. Perhaps you need more education.
93 Porto
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:51 am
@Maxo (91): Don’t be annoyed my dear go to the bathroom and freshen up yourself! I don’t mean to be explicit but here goes get that shit out of your ass hole thats bothering you!
94 who cares
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:51 am
I’m not American….. but I still enjoy reading all of these lists. How can anything be “to American”? A good read is a good read! you people are idiots!
95 undaunted warrior
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:57 am
Enjoyed the list = if you are lurking in the backround Randell shake a leg and let me know, I want to ask a ?
Thanks again S.C.
96 USA sucks
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:02 am
AMERICA IS A JOKE! The rest of the world laughs at you pig headed racists!
God forbid you leave your smog infested dirtland and enjoy another country like New Zealand. A gorgeous, tropical place where people are polite!
97 debsfullcircle
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:05 am
How ’bout King Chazz?
98 random comment
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:07 am
I can’t even imagine what sort of Prince Charles I mean the guy chose Camila over Diana. All I can say is LONG LIVE THE QUEEN
99 Therapist
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:09 am
Great List! I think the people making a rant of hating US deep down are in a inferiority complex . They feel guilty of hating their own countries which are worse of than the US and express hatred towards US to cope with the ambivalence of their emotions.
100 Javier
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:19 am
I thought the point was to comment on the list? Oh well, GO AMERICA!!!
On another note, I enjoyed reading this list. I love when mistakes are pointed out.
101 Spaz
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:19 am
@fiesman (19): I have never seen fiesman, therefore, he does not exist either.
102 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:20 am
@fiesman (19): i got a better #1. got does not exist.
You don’t use a word in a sentence and then a mere one sentence later try to convince people that the word doesn’t exist. Wtf man, who are you trying to fool? Listversers are much more intelligent than that. ames801 (62) was even kind enough to post an official dictionary entry for the word. That iced it for me. Now if you want to jump on the “too American” bandwagon and say that it is only a stateside construct, that’s one thing, but I think it has been indisputably demonstrated that got does in fact exist. If only other things that people believe in could be so easily proven. Like unicorns for example. Got you’re a dumbass.
103 White House
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:29 am
President Obama, read the list but found those three non American facts quite annoying! Please , be careful next time or there will be a CIA investigation on this matter!
104 fazool
February 3rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
Paul Revere Stopped and has sex with a women he knew…Thats why he didn’t make the trip
He was a little back’d up
105 ZibbyYamala
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:04 am
wow! number 1 was the most interesting i think, nice list. =)
106 Scratch
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:11 am
Saint Cad, this was a great list. At first I thought that the sentences following the errors signified what the error was. I was wondering who your were arguing with if they were stating these errors as common knowledge.
I figured out the way it worked by number seven, though.
I was not aware of how American Prince Charles and Joan of Arc were until I perused the listverse comments.
@Maggot (102):
Got is a linguistic construct used to justify the acquisition of things, capitalism, and therefore greed. Got has also been linked to the spread of infectious diseases and sicknesses. What kind of good word allows people to suffer like that? The sooner it is purged from the language the better.
Besides, got is dead. All the cool kids are using have.
107 tzopilotl
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:18 am
…104, i thought paul has sex with a woman he didn’t know, one maud bodkins, a professional of 20 yrs standing
(and various other positions of straddling the road).
…102, maggot, try to mix humor with your invective,
it’s much more effective. the idea is to score and entertain at the same time. these lists are about comic opportunity, in fact, the entire internet is a pratfall.
it’s much better to be admired for your wit than told off,
don’t you think(pun)?
108 Arsnl
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:42 am
@Scratch (106): you are the new nietzsche. Other variations: gum is dead and goat is lead.
@Ricky Bobby (69): champagne. Where would rap stars be with out it.
@jes (84): your comment is like a treasure hunt map with 200 rutes. Only no treasure at the end.
109 alexman
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:44 am
@apepper (12): prince charles IS going to be charles III. he has personally publically denied he will be george and also kings do not change their names only popes do that
110 Skrillah
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:48 am
Very informative list but always keep in mind that this is WWW(World Wide Web) not USAWW (United states of America wide web).
Fantastic list for Americans and anyone who gives a shit about America.
111 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:50 am
@tzopilotl (107): “…it’s much better to be admired for your wit than told off,…”
You don’t see the wit and humor in maggot’s post?!
112 justinw
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
i enjoyed this list
113 Gunnar
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:44 pm
Honestly I doubt some of these things. Where are the references?
114 Saint Cad
February 3rd, 2010 at 12:58 pm
Blair @86
Yes it is the English throne, but the holder of the English throne is also the monarch of the other countries in the commonwealth – well except for 12 December 1936 when England and Ireland had different kings. If you’re ignorant as to what happened that day, look up Edward VIII.
115 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:04 pm
@undaunted warrior (95):
YOU SUMMONED RANDALL?!
oh and btw, undaunted, it’s “Randall.” Not “Randell.”
Oh and btw btw to everyone else—should you *wish* to summon me, simply procure about a pint of goat’s blood, then clear a space on the floor, draw a circle, in turn draw a pentacle within the circle, then light nine candles around the circle, then sprinkle the blood about the circle whilst chanting “I summon thee oh spawn of Astaroth, oh Dark Seed of Mephistopheles, oh Companion of Torment… I summon thee! Arise!” Then I’ll be there in a few minutes.
Just a courtesy to all of you here. Never let it be said I’m not accessible.
116 Ambercherry
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Wow the comments are weird. I’m not American (Canadian) yet I can enjoy this list. Why are people so hateful towards Americans? Americans are great, the history of the country is fascinating, much more so than my country. I particularly enjoyed reading number six and number three. Sometimes (actually most times) it is enjoyable to learn new things about subjects you have no previous knowledge in. If you disagree with that opinion, please place your head back into the sand. Thank you.
117 Sidee
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:12 pm
@110 Skrillah ‘Fantastic list for Americans and anyone who gives a shit about America.’
This.
118 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@Randall (115): Or you can just do like I do and flash a little leg…
119 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:19 pm
@ames801 (118):
Yes yes yes! …that also works well for Randall. Do that often.
120 Nietzsche
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:26 pm
96 USA SUCKS – Yeah, you sound just as polite as any old American with all that hate spewing… Are people like you just acting or really that stupid?
To everyone else… I would love to read a list with 10/10 items about Europe, 10/10 items about France, 10/10 items about freaking Mozambique… as long as it is interesting. That’s what’s important. You are defeating the purpose of coming here and learning if all you do is insult America with every list. You can find traces or influence of America all over the world, in almost everything, so there’s no surprise lists are that way. Enjoy the list or don’t read it. Don’t scroll down and leave a hateful comment. Your lives must be very boring.
121 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:27 pm
@tzopilotl (107): the idea is to score and entertain at the same time.
Hmmm. I always thought the idea was to entertain first, and then if you are lucky, you score later. Damn man, your way would save so much time and effort.
122 oouchan
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:30 pm
@ames801 (118): A breast beats out a leg, every time. OO
See? Checking out the o’s there, aren’t you?
123 Brebe
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Let me guess, your a history teacher
124 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:37 pm
@oouchan (122): HA! Honestly, I flaunt it all
125 Liz
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:38 pm
The list is good and interesting to a number of people. I am an American and I too enjoy some of the lists that have to do with America, but I also enjoy the lists that have nothing to do with America. The point is that sometimes you like the list and other times you don’t but don’t use the comments to complain that the lists are “too american” or not about your specific country.
126 tzopilotl
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:40 pm
…charles is a good name, means chalani(N)=charlar(sp)=
chatty, tinkling of glasses, talk not sing=chayan(jap)=
tea house=chaikhana(afghan), chava(mex slang)=girl=
chauatl(N)=concubine, but really means=chat owner=mistress, whom charles finally married.
127 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:45 pm
@oouchan (122): OO
That’s really a nice pair of O’s you’ve got going on there oouchan. Top notch.
128 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:46 pm
@ames801 (124): @oouchan (122):
Randall is now envisioning both ames and oouchan summoning him *together,* good sports that they are, so that we can have a little “discussion” between the three of us.
129 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:48 pm
@Randall (128): I need a drink for this.
130 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:54 pm
@ames801 (129):
s’okay honey, I’ll bring plenty.
131 deeeziner
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:57 pm
@oouchan (122): I thought it worked more like Beetlejuice….
bOObs…bOObs…bOObs….
132 tzopilotl
February 3rd, 2010 at 1:58 pm
…122, you have something there, mag. i’ve always been
fonder of girls who allowed me to score first and enter-tain later, makes for a more relaxed audience. let’s have
a campaign to encourage them in this delightful reversal
of courtship. it should sweep the nation and eliminate
prevarication. as jack webb said, just the (bare) facts,
ma’am.
133 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:00 pm
@USA sucks (96): Is that so? Ever been here? Ever enjoy the movies, tv shows, and music that comes from here? Ever eat a hamburger? You’re using a computer and the internet and you probably use electric lights, dental floss, microwaves, clothes hangers, electric irons, radios, zippers, air conditioning, automatic transmissions, cell phones, barcodes, LEDs, CDs, lasers, and digital cameras, which are all American inventions. So take a minute and think before you comment and show everyone what a closed minded turd you are.
134 Scratch
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:03 pm
I’d like to weigh in with my support for more boobage.
135 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:04 pm
@USA sucks:
Pot
Kettle
Black
…
Ignorant
Racist
You
…
136 Forsythia
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Oh…and I am pro-boobs.
137 Clockwork
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:10 pm
@JTBT (14): I agree with you. It is very confusing to write “The error:” then proceed to write what the true fact is.
138 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:11 pm
You know, not everyone knows it, but General Tits worked his way up through the ranks the hard way, and he should be applauded. He didn’t start out as “Cadet Tits” at West Point after a cushy life on the Cape—like some people here I could mention—and then stumbled his way into one nepotistic promotion after another. No way. He started out as Private First Class Pierced Nipple, and busted his… errr… tits… to become Lieutenant Tits, then Captain Tits, Major Tits… all the way up to his present rank, which while honorary, is still one hell of an accomplishment.
Maggot, meanwhile, is still going door to door selling urine. And I still don’t *get* that. Who the hell buys urine? Okay, sure, the drug test crowd, I get it… but is that *really* a way to make a living?
We should all work as hard as General Tits. Life rewards you when you do.
I mean, we can’t all be bucslim, whose grandfather invented Beaver Ass Juice, and he’s been living off the estate ever since.
So I salute you General Tits. Today’s List Universe Example for the Children. (Our last one was Frater, but his repeated arrests on various public indecency charges have really started to compromise his standing).
139 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:14 pm
@Forsythia (136): Oh…and I am pro-boobs.
I tend to prefer the ones that have maintained their amateur status. With all due respect, the professionals are kind of icky.
140 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@Randall (138): Maggot, meanwhile, is still going door to door selling urine.
It’s lonely at the bottom.
141 Clark
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:19 pm
@USA sucks (96): Honestly, do you realize how asinine you sound?
142 bucslim
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:23 pm
Gotdammned retarts. And they left off the Danish translation of Dazed and Confused. Sheesh.
And ames801? If you want Randall to come snooping around all you have to do is say how awesome George Bush was and that Obama is half witted knob with the brains of a turtleneck sweater. He’ll come a runnin! It’s like hookin catfish with rotten meat!
143 Tryclyde
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Yup, the ignorant comments are really ruining this site. About 25% of the comments are actually about the list while the others are just from whiney bastards trying to feel superior while sitting behind their keyboards.
144 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@bucslim (142): He’ll come a runnin!
Wow, that’s way easier than the lengthy procedure that he outlined. And for some reason, he always ignores me whenever I try flashing a little leg, as ames801 had suggested.
145 Ricky Bobby
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@Tryclyde (143):
How superior do you feel right now?
146 Randall
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:32 pm
@bucslim (142):
Must you drag politics into *everything?* What about the children?
@Maggot (144):
Randall does not respond to hairy, scarred legs where one is shorter than the other. Sorry. I gotta be me.
147 Tryclyde
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@Ricky Bobby (145): I would respond to you, but your retort makes no sense.
148 azrael28
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:34 pm
@Ziraphen (38): I think a list about Australia would be awsome! The reason I’m on this site is to learn something new. Also, for the people complaning about the “too american” list, write a list about where your from and please teach us all some thing we did know about it. I for one would love to read it.
149 Ricky Bobby
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:39 pm
@Tryclyde (147):
Makes perfect sense actually, you were whining about other people whining, and I’m sure you felt pretty superior after doing that.
150 Armodillotron
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Joan of Arc WAS burnt because we thought she was a witch. We couldn`t believe that a woman was defeating us, and so it was assumed she was a witch. And-I`m no sadist-but I think it`s one of the few things we did right. Joan of Arc, she was a religious fundamentalist, in the mould of al Qaeda. She claimed that she heard voices from God, and said “all English who enter France must die.” And, as we all know, people who think there doing the work of God, there clearly crazy. Plus, Vichy France, used her as their symbol. So getting rid of someone that Nazis admired, is clearly a good thing!
151 Skunky McDoogans.
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:44 pm
This list is terrible and i hate it more than i hate myself.
152 azrael28
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:46 pm
@lucy (71): I guess it should be more correctly stated as “A Too USA” list?
153 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
February 3rd, 2010 at 2:53 pm
@Randall (138): Well thank you. I’ll try to learn from JFs mistakes and keep my clothes on in public.
154 Yawyack
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:01 pm
@Saint Cad (114):
Except that in 1603 King James VI of Scotland was proclaimed the King of England combining the crowns, which later replaced those titles with that of “King of Great Britain”. Elizabeth II does not currently have nor was she crowned with the title “Queen of England” but has the title (amongst many others) “Queen of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland”.
155 astraya
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Computers – Charles Babbage, Ada Lovelace,
Radio – Guglielmo Marconi
TV – John Logie Baird
WWW – Tim Berners-Lee
Many things – Nikola Tesla
156 Ziraphen
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:15 pm
azrael28 (148): Ok, putting something togther now. Will send it and see if it gets posted! Hmm… give me a few days.
On an unrelated topic, can someone please tell me how to do the link to the comment above? Where you put the number of their post, and it becomes a link? Thanks.
157 Ziraphen
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Astraya (155): Thank for putting that up. And thanks for mentioning Ada Lovelace! No one ever rememebers her! (Did you know she was Lord Byron’s daughter?!)
158 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:33 pm
@Ziraphen (156): Click on the person’s name in the post you want to reply to, and it loads that link into the comment box for you.
159 deeeziner
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:37 pm
@Ziraphen (156): Click on the username of the post you wish to reference to.
It automatically posts into the text box with the post number high-lighted as a link.
160 deeeziner
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:38 pm
Oh hi Maggot…Shall we dance?
161 Michael
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:46 pm
the list sucks… too american
162 Tryclyde
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:49 pm
@Ricky Bobby (149): Keep trying, you’re a few posts away from actually making a valid argument.
163 Yawyack
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
@astraya (155):
Thanks for posting that. But I fear Scott will ignore it. A while back I posted a similar response to a near identical comment by him, but seemingly it fell on deaf ears.
164 Maggot
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
@deeeziner (160): Only if you have little regard for the continued health and safety of your toes!
165 Mabel
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I LOVE that picture on #1. That is an awesome depiction.
166 Re-Ali
February 3rd, 2010 at 3:54 pm
@astraya (155): Yawyack (163): Oh my God, who cares?!
167 Blue
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:06 pm
@General Tits Von Chodehoffen (133):
I really have to correct your insane assumptions regarding the good ol USA and ensure you realise that the turd you so eloquently refer too is actually you and all Americans who believe that you invented everything:
1: The Computer – the modern “thinking machine” was invented by Charles Babbage, this is generally the first modern use of a computer and is where all other research has come from – Charles Babbage – English
2: Television – in its modern form was invented by John Logie Baird – Scotland
A young German man, just 20 years old at the time in the 1880′s, called Paul Gottlieb Nipkow is probably the real progenitor of this medium of entertainment
3: Movies – first postulated by Alhazen (Egyptian) in his Book of Optics in 1021, I am guessing that is a bit before your time and in fact the discovery (re: the finding of a land already inhabited by Native Americans) of America. This was later perfected by Italian Giambattista della Porta in the early 1600′s and the first true motion picture, Roundhay Garden Scene, was produced by Louis Le Prince who was French in 1888
4: Music – I am going to guess that you do not want to argue that the USA invented music
5: Microwaves and LASER’s – Again this is a very simple answer, Einstein laid the foundations for LASER and MASER technologies in the paper Zur Quantentheorie der Strahlung (On the Quantum Theory of Radiation). So German invention and this came via Max Planck’s law of radiation.
This field was further expanded by Rudolf W. Ladenburg and Valentin A. Fabrikant before Theodore Maiman created the first working LASER using other peoples experiments.
6: Compact Discs – invented by Phillips (Netherlands) and then to their modern counterpart by a collaboration between Sony (Japan) and Phillips
7: Clothes Hangers – god what would I have done if these hadnt been invented, oh thats right I would have just hung my clothes up in my wardrobe
8: LED – Electroluminescence discovered by Briton H. J. Round and the first working LED was invented by Russian Oleg Vladimirovich Losev in 1927
9: Cell Phones – forget US Patents applied to simple radio phones, that is not true Cell Phone technology.
True mobile technology 1960 by Ericsson (Sweden)
1G mobile phones NTT (Japan) 1979.
2G mobile phones Radiolinja (Finland) 1991
3G mobile phones NTT DoCoMo (Japan) 2001
As for good ol USA A patent for the first wireless phone as we know today was issued in US Patent Number 3,449,750 to George Sweigert of Euclid, Ohio on June 10, 1969. That is only 9 years after Ericsson with the same technology
10: Automatic Transmissions – first postulated by Leonardo da Vinci (Italian) in 1490 as a continuously variable transmission. First patent filed in Europe in 1886
11: Zipper – while an American invention it was perfected by Gideon Sundback a Swede
12: Digital Camera – the American’s developed the Charge Coupled Device (CCD) and didnt know what to do with it. The first true analog digital camera, as used to take over from film loaded camera’s, was the Sony (Japan) Mavica of 1981
The first true digital camera was the Fuji (Japan) DS-1P of 1988
13: Air Conditioner – well damn if the Ancient Romans didnt have air conditioning circulating through their houses and Ding Huan a Chinese inventor of the second century AD added a fan in to the mix
14: Electric Iron – all the Americans did was add an electric element to a product that has been in use for over 4000 years. Its a bloody hot smooth piece of metal, just now it has an electric element.
15: Dental Floss – great invention by the US. Dental hygiene not so much an American invention
16: The Internet – yep American as apple pie, oh wait a minute didnt it gain a public face using the CERN World Wide Web protocol? And wasnt the actual web (the internet not its TCP controls) invented by British scientist Tim Berners-Lee in 1989
17: Electric Light – unfortunately it wasnt invented by Edison, he perfected it. It was first shown using a strip of platinum by Humphry Davy (British) in 1802 and incidentally he also invented the arc lamp in 1810
I rest my case. Please feel free to come back at me if you can disprove any of this. Patents mean nothing, they are just the first past the post in a typically American capitalist way. Inspiration and humility on the other hand are qualities sadly lacking with Americans and that is why you get this backlash.
Have a good day ye’all
168 Ziraphen
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:07 pm
@Maggot (158): @deeeziner (159): Woot! Thanks guys.
169 astraya
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:23 pm
It doesn’t take much to make Randall “come”, does it?
170 Holmes
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:27 pm
Far Far too American based for my liking
171 Blue
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@Re-Ali (166):
I do obviously
172 nuriko
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:44 pm
great list!
173 tasmanian devil
February 3rd, 2010 at 4:47 pm
Dear #38. What gives you the right to bad-mouth Australia. If you took the time you would realise that Australians are one of the most resourceful and innovative nationalities on earth. You are living up to your reputation of being arrogant. Well, newsflash mate, you’re not nearly as good as you think. I dare you to come down here and say what you said to an Australians face. You would have your head knocked off before you knew it.
174 jec
February 3rd, 2010 at 5:32 pm
@Ziraphen (38): I agree with @azrael28 (148): Please write a list about Australia, I’d love to read it and know that others are learning about this great country of ours.
@tasmanian devil (173): I think you misread Ziraphen’s comment. He/she wasn’t badmouthing Australia, just saying that if he/she wrote a list about Australia people who are not from Australia would say the same kind of comment as when the list is all about the USA, you know, “This list is too Australian”. You could substitute the country’s name with another other country and it would mean the same thing. From what Ziraphen wrote I think he/she is Australian.
175 Chanchita
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:15 pm
@ Blue (167)
I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
176 timmy the dying boy
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:36 pm
Regarding the guy with the ears:
I believe that when, or if, Charles becomes King, he gets to choose and of his Christian names, those being Charles Philip Arthur George. So, he could be King Arthur if he wants, which would be pretty cool.
177 Iakhovas
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm
@Blue (167):
That was a pretty impressive smack down. Well done.
@USA sucks (96):
Since when did New Zealand float 2000km north into the tropics? It couldn’t even be classified as sub-tropical.
178 astraya
February 3rd, 2010 at 6:59 pm
I’ve had many ideas for Australian lists, but then I think that they’d be too limited for general use. I’ve just had a Really Good Idea for an Australian list, if I can get the time to research and write it.
179 ames801
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:05 pm
@Randall (146): “I gotta be me.”
Must you *always* drag got into this
180 landhog8
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:14 pm
Great List! I am American so I may be biased, but would love to see a list of Australian 10 fascinating facts that are wrong (or even 7/10).
BTW -God is Good!
181 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:27 pm
@Blue (167):I didn’t say we invented film or television, that was a different sentence. As for the inventions I’m not going to sit here and get into a pissing contest about who invented “the first” or “the first modern” whatever. If you want to deny America’s importance in the scientific world be my guest. You are just as bad as “USA sucks” by negatively categorizing a huge country. Let me point out it is not the Americans trashing other countries. By the way are you British?
182 jmjorat
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
I knew most of these, but it was good to read them again. Great list. Thanks.
183 chunkylover04
February 3rd, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Nice list…but the wording was a bit confusing….
184 Cool
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:16 pm
Ditto.
Charles will never be king.
The queen is waiting to hand it to Charles’ son.
That was a condition of his split with Diana.
185 CRC3
February 3rd, 2010 at 8:19 pm
@ants1 (4): too dominican?
186 Winston
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
@General Tits Von Chodehoffen (181): Blue got you good matey, you’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Definitely too American!
187 BravehisTickle
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:28 pm
I don’t care whether any list is ‘too American’ or ‘too Chinese’ or ‘too Scythian’ if it’s providing interestin’ information and ups the knowledge quotient.
188 Louise
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:32 pm
Number 9:
If Charles is smart he won’t be taking the thrown at all. I think he’s a bit too scandalous to be capable of things after what happened with Diana.
Besides, there are more rumors than not that he doesn’t even want to be king.
189 hunter
February 3rd, 2010 at 9:47 pm
this list is from two americans
190 xphoenixx
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:34 pm
@USA sucks (96): 1)Yeah, we’re so racist that we elected an African American to lead our country.
2)Smog infested dirt land? Really?
3)A lot of Americans do visit other countries quite frequently actually.
4)Hawaii is also gorgeous and tropical…and part of the United States!
5)I certainly hope you aren’t trying to represent the politeness of New Zealanders, because if you were you failed miserably.
6)GO USA!
191 fella72
February 3rd, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Further to #9 I think the other major issue with which name Prince Chuck uses is to do with regnal numbering. Until 1707 England and Scotland were separate kingdoms that shared the same monarch. After the Act of Union they became a single kingdom. There’s been some objection in Scotland to the current queen styling herself Elizabeth II because there’s never been another Elizabeth who was queen of Scotland. Technically speaking, as far as Scotand goes she’s Elizabeth I, or, because that’s just a bit dumb, plain old Queen Elizabeth. Same thing applies to Charles- technically he’d be Charles III of England and King Charles of Scotland. The Act of Union was passed in the reign of George I so he’d be George VII of both England and Scotland. Cor, aint that faskinating
192 Fred
February 4th, 2010 at 12:47 am
I LOL at #31. Nice one.
193 8ighteen
February 4th, 2010 at 3:12 am
Very good List
194 7raul7
February 4th, 2010 at 3:16 am
i was (mis)led to this list by the name. Seriously, next time I write a list with the heading “10 amazing facts about humanity” & include entires related entirely to Pakistan, it won’t be considered a balanced, interesting list. Why? Because I misled people into believing that the list would consist entries from all over the world. Same here, the heading suggests that the entries will be balanced but they aren’t & if we complain, we are ‘bigoted, stupid, America-hating, retards’.
Just accept the fact that this list is too America-centric & people dont like it. I suggest better headings next time.
195 7raul7
February 4th, 2010 at 3:40 am
Also, notice that I haven’t trashed the US of A, but just so that others really know it, I have a liking for America. Its awesome & stuff, but that doesn’t mean you can, on any forum, dictate whatever you’d like to. As someone else said before, this is the World Wide Web, not the USAWW.
196 smefertility
February 4th, 2010 at 3:42 am
That made for interesting reading – well done
and thank you
197 Forsythia
February 4th, 2010 at 6:29 am
@Maggot (139):
Well I’ve kept my amateur status so I can boob in the olympics.
198 Tish
February 4th, 2010 at 6:30 am
I personally cannot wait until there is a list published about another country so I can say “Too ___________ (insert any random country of your choice)….blah blah blah.” Bring it on, i’m waiting.
199 Lily
February 4th, 2010 at 6:38 am
@Blue (167):
I must say I have found your comment a far more interesting read. Thanks for that.
200 lewis45
February 4th, 2010 at 7:36 am
Ha i guess the fact they liked dutch tea more explains why they cant make “proper” tea, now i know and knowing is half the battle
201 Randall
February 4th, 2010 at 7:39 am
@Blue (167):
While a nice effort, your attempt to belittle American contributions to the world of invention is about a third factual, and two thirds pure B.S.
Well… that’s not really fair. Let us say instead that you’re bending the truth quite a bit, sometimes to the breaking point.
But let’s preface this. In fact, Blue, patents very much DO matter. An invention is not merely an idea, it is an actual product that stems from an idea, which is in turn offered up to the public and is then put into regular use. This is not simply a “business” matter, but is rather a matter of pure practicality. An idea which only produces a single tinkered prototype and never goes any further is NOT an “invention” per se. Particularly if it bears little or no relation to the product which eventually *does* appear, performing a function similar to the one the original was intended to perform.
You see, by your logic, Charles Babbage didn’t invent the computer–rather, the ancient Greeks did–or whatever ancient Greek specifically built the Antikythera Mechanism, which is the oldest example of a computational device which the world possesses. Now, being of partly Greek descent myself, I’m more than happy to give my ancient ancestors the credit for the invention of the laptop that I’m typing this on right now. But even I would admit that’s actually kind of silly. You might as well trace ALL inventions back to the first man (or woman) who took time out from killing mammoths or picking berries in order to stop and think of a way to do all this better and more efficiently. That’s in fact not much more of a stretch than the stretch *you’re* reaching for in the response you wrote to General Tits. (I love typing that name).
Understood?
So the computer–sure, we’ll give that to Babbage. Or to Alan Turing. Or any of the people who worked on decoding German ciphers during WWII. But then again, it’s not really inaccurate to say that America put this invention to the first commercial uses–since the British machines were either destroyed or kept secret after the war. In addition, the aforementioned laptop I’m working on right now is loosely the same as the giant Eniacs and Univacs, etc. of the past, but in reality we all know it stems from the “invention” of the home personal computer–which was largely an American venture. But as I say, this, like the invention of television, comes down to bickering and minutiae. The fact is these modern conveniences are joint ventures by many people from various places.
But again, your citing of Gottlieb in regards to television is an example of the absurd reaching you’ve done to try to discredit the idea of American origin for many of these inventions. In some cases you have a point. But in most you’re just playing nitpicking games which in the end come down to a kind of anti-American propaganda.
Perhaps the worst example of this is your off-hand dismissal of air-conditioning as an American invention. By your twisted logic, “air-conditioning” can qualify as just opening a goddamned window–which while technically true, is nevertheless quite an obvious bit of malarkey. Anyway, for once your painstaking research (I highly doubt you had all this lodged in your head) is in error, as the ancient Minoans of Crete had *your* definition of “air conditioning* long before the Roman state even existed, or Rome itself had been founded. The palace at Knossos, on Crete, is designed with open air shafts in places and shaded terraces which allow air to cool and flow throughout parts of the building. But neither this, nor the examples you gave, are actually “air conditioning” in the modern sense. They are ventilation. Expert and ingenious ventilation, no doubt… but not air conditioning. The modern machine we call an air conditioner is in fact an American invention utilizing a compressor to cool air and then send this cool air into a room while removing warmer air. When I go to the store to buy an “air conditioner,” I don’t expect to receive plans for the best way to build air shafts in my house. I expect to be offered a machine which has dials and switches—or these days a digital keypad of some sort. Perhaps you prefer the air shaft, but then presumably you are from the UK, where air conditioning is hardly a necessity, your climate being composed mostly of rain and grey.
Disparaging Edison’s invention of the light bulb is always a popular pastime, but it is nevertheless still bullshit. The whole point to the lightbulb is that it ought to work–meaning when you turn it on, it actually LIGHTS something—and that it ought to last more than a few seconds or minutes. NO attempt at producing an electric light prior to Edison managed both of these feats adequately. Edison’s work was the first to produce a reliable, sturdy, and long-lasting filament-based device… which became the mass-marketed and ubiquitous source of lighting we all know and love. The arc-light is NOT strictly “electric” light—so your mention of it here was just another example of the kind of smoke and mirrors you were using to try to make your cumbersome and inaccurate points.
Americans admittedly sometimes take too much pride in the things produced and invented here, and are sometimes off the mark about it. But European pissiness about it is no more correct or fair. The entire human race is an ingenious, inventive bunch, so in the end it doesn’t matter who invented the zipper or the flashlight or the CT scan. But giving credit where it’s due is also a matter of simple courtesy–and denying fair credit is just as bad as unfairly taking it.
202 azrael28
February 4th, 2010 at 8:38 am
@Ziraphen (156): sweet! Looking forward to it! Someone call jfrater and get him to put that list out right right when it’s sent in.
203 katidid
February 4th, 2010 at 9:13 am
William Dawes, not Charles . . .
Lucifer is up for grabs – depends on how literal one interprets the Bible.
204 Alencon
February 4th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Perhaps the list is too American because Americans have the most trouble differentiating between reality and entertainment.
Americans seem to have originated the idea that if real history isn’t entertaining enough, then change it to make it entertaining. The rule that says “the truth be damned as long as it sells” appears to be a cornerstone of American culture (much to the dismay of the voices howling in the outer darkness such as history teachers).
205 deeeziner
February 4th, 2010 at 11:19 am
@Alencon (203): I beg to differ.
There are a lot of cultures around the world that actually employed “historians” whose ONLY job was to re-write their country’s written historical records to favor the current ruler. If those historians had to adjust (or outright lie about) previous records to pave the way for the “new” so be it, as far as their employers were concerned.
BTW–What government doesn’t try to put a “spin” in their favor about how their country is represented in the media?
206 asdfdf
February 4th, 2010 at 11:28 am
Great list, however, you are wrong about number 1 being wrong…..if that makes sense.
On the surface you seem to make a decent point, but when you take into account the Book of Revelation and escatology (end times theology) you end up being mistaken. Lucifer does in fact refer to a babylonian king, a FUTURE babylonian king.
If you study end times theology it is said that Babylonia will rise up once again as the powerhouse of satan’s kingdon and attack on earth, with the king of that city being none other than satan himself. So the ‘unnammed’ king you speak of that is called lucifer actually IS Satan, who will rear his head in the end times.
Good list nontheless
207 TruthBeing
February 4th, 2010 at 12:00 pm
I agree with asdfdf yes lucifer refers to satan see if you read many of they holy scriptures they all refer to the re establishing of babylon as the house for the antichrists center of power lucifer saying the son of the morning is because before his fall he was known as gods right hand so often right hands are know as the son or sun so there for the son of the morning his left hand would be the son of the moon for it is often seen in old days that the right hand was the only proper hand to be used…
208 demon
February 4th, 2010 at 2:30 pm
this list was too british. Two facts about england were in this one. God jeez please take into consideration the people who wish england would disappear off the map. No one cares about england. How bout that for a list.
209 astraya
February 4th, 2010 at 3:02 pm
Of course, in the winter Olympics you could compete in the boobsled event!
@TruthBeing. Try punctuation for once in your life, please.
210 GiantFlyingRobo
February 4th, 2010 at 3:34 pm
@SLiK-RO (80): “TOP 10 FAGOTY THINGS YOU CAN DO IN EUROPE.”
Like your mom?
211 Anastasia Beaverhausen
February 4th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
I’d be interested to read some references regarding the Boston Tea Party story. I’d love to rub it in the tea bagger’s faces, but if it’s just an urban legend, then I’d look more foolish than them.
212 peRRomaRRano
February 4th, 2010 at 7:12 pm
Wow… “facts that are wrong”
You are a geniOus.
213 J
February 4th, 2010 at 10:44 pm
Seriously get over yourself if you have a problem with Americans calling themselves Americans. Stupid.
214 J
February 4th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
@Blue (167): I find it funny thatwhen an American perfected something you emphasize that it originated elsewhere, but when an American invented something you emphasize that someone else perfected it.
215 leaffy
February 4th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
nice list…although i can’t relate to others…lucifer is not a bad name though….
216 Blue
February 5th, 2010 at 2:55 am
@J (213):
And here goes, missed the point completely didnt we? I was not talking about perfection as, first and foremost, what is the state of said perfection? Is there no way we can improve on any of these items?
The only point i made about perfection was against the zipper as there is not a lot more you can do with that item really is there?
I pointed out the complete lack of humility Americans have with regard to a world view and the fact that you all seem to think the world revolves around you. Let me just point out that, while most of you are obese, your mass is still not enough to encourage planetary motion – lets leave that to gravity.
I suggest you look up the word IRONY
No it isnt the adjective for IRON
217 Alec
February 5th, 2010 at 10:35 am
I enjoyed the article, but you should really attach sources to each item on this list. It adds credibility to claim people might be hesitant to accept and also allows people to learn more about the topics that interest them.
218 BYoungs
February 5th, 2010 at 9:56 pm
@Blue (167): In all seriousness, get a life dude.
219 BYoungs
February 5th, 2010 at 9:59 pm
Way to sterotype 300 million people. Really intelligent.
220 Craig
February 5th, 2010 at 10:01 pm
@Alec (216): It’s Listverse, not a medical journal
221 Mike
February 5th, 2010 at 10:03 pm
@Blue (215): Man, you really are a class-A a**hole aren’t you?
222 Ned
February 5th, 2010 at 10:23 pm
@Blue (215):
Class E perhaps.
223 Ned
February 5th, 2010 at 10:25 pm
@USA sucks (96):
Do you actually live in New Zealand? Have you ever been to the South Island? Tropical my arse!
224 Blue
February 6th, 2010 at 1:31 am
@BYoungs (217): @Mike (220): @Ned (221):
Thank you for your kind words, I strive my hardest to be insulted so eloquently.
I’m so glad to see that you 3 are not letting your education get in the way of your ignorance.
If you dont like my opinion of you or Americans then please feel free to improve yourselves.
I shouldn’t really generalise about Americans, I actually have no beef with normal Americans, just the uber-patriotic American zeal and belief in ones self that comes from your education, which makes you believe you are the best at everything and we should all be grateful you are here.
Americans like that are the BEST at what you do, unfortunately what you DO is make people hate you
225 Ned
February 6th, 2010 at 3:48 am
Speaking of ignorance… I’m actually a New Zealander. Can’t quite work out if you were suggesting you hate me because I’m American (which I’m not) or because I agree that you shouldn’t make ridiculous generalisations about people.
I would suggest that if you hate me for disagreeing with your reactionary rhetoric you should maybe take up yoga or something as I’m actually a reasonable and pleasant bloke.
A bloke who just doesn’t really like the sort of person who feels able to make ridiculous assumptions about an entire nation of 300 million (some of whom are pretty darned skinny actually) because of his own jaundiced world view.
If you hate me for that I really do pity you.
226 Blue
February 6th, 2010 at 4:48 am
Read the context of what I said, I know you are not American from your comments. You commented on New Zealand, therefore I had already made the assumption you were a Kiwi.
The only comment that was, or could possibly, be aimed at you was the improve yourself comment. You have obviously not read the actual comment on hate or failed to understand its context. It was aimed solely at the almost evangelical American approach to national pride and the opinionated approach they have to the world and their refusal to acknowledge that this position drives the rest of the world to criticism.
You also agreed with the name calling and even added your own comment to that, which is why you were tagged in the first place. I haven’t resorted to name calling once, the reason being that name calling isn’t a function of sarcasm, irony or personal abuse. It is the resort of the unintelligent and uneducated when they cannot form a coherent argument against what one is saying.
Name calling tries to undermine the speakers argument by attacking the speaker and not addressing the argument.
And with regards to your last comment, that is a lot more clear and concise in what your argument actually is. I have spent almost 10 years travelling in and around the US and I can tell you my opinions are formed for that reason not for any other. America is a wonderful country and there are fantastic people there, however it is also the biggest open air lunatic asylum in the world.
This is due in large part to the almost insane approach to capitalism and the “I’m alright Jack attitude”. As I stated in a previous comment, humility would go a long way.
227 archangel
February 6th, 2010 at 8:36 am
@asdfdf (205): @TruthBeing (206):
I think you guys have forgotten that the book of revelations was written MUCH MUCH later after the Book of Isaiah (old testament – very very NEW testament). Thus, by the time John wrote revelations (i think that was his name)… the word lucifer had already filtered through as a by-word for satan.
228 ned
February 6th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
Fair enough.
Have a lovely day.
Context and emotion are difficult to guage from text.
Sorry about the name-calling.
@Blue (225):
229 joshua
February 7th, 2010 at 3:51 pm
@Blue: I totally agree with you.
America houses the largest population of overly patriotic people who know nothing about real life.
230 socialinstability
February 11th, 2010 at 4:47 pm
stange definition of “fascinating.”
231 Andres
February 14th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
@Blue (216): I’m not surprised you didn’t reply to Randall. Goddamn, he’s got your number. To what he commented I should add that it is absolutely ridiculous from you to try to take out the American merit in the creation and proliferation of the Internet. Yes, it is not American as an apple pie and Europeans certainly played a huge role in shaping it and, especially, in giving it the use for which it is now most known for. But the Internet is not an all-European invention. You can invoke CERN, the WWW, whatever you want, but without America the Internet would have not existed, let alone been so ubiquitous as it is nowadays. Just because it is not 100% American doesn’t mean it is not American at all. That’s like saying, “hey, Russians, you can’t be proud of winning WWII because it was America that ended it by making Japan surrender.” WWII was a collaborated effort and certainly Russia has as much a right to be proud of winning it as does America or Britain, if not more, despite the fact that they didn’t DIRECTLY put an end to it. America didn’t invent the WWW, but we can take pride in the Internet as we know it today just as we can celebrate VE Day and VJ Day.
Your bigoted, Anti-American attitude certainly doesn’t help your case, either. As Randall says, unrestrained patriotism is just as disgusting as pathological hatred towards a people. Having a prejudice against a people because they are overly defensive when it comes to talking about their country is like punching someone because he claimed he would punch you if you punched him. If you have been to America you know that, in general, we are not the xenophobic, bigoted bunch we are made out to be. We love our country, but I believe our love is fairly proportional to the amount of contributions we have made to science, art, and society in the last centuries. We certainly don’t think we’re the only ones who have the right to be patriotic. Plus, the extent to which we are proud of our accomplishments is absolutely none of your god-damned business, unless it directly interfered with your own one. I believe if you stopped starting and picking up cyber-fights with Americans on the Internet, your business and ours would no longer cross. You’d be a slightly happier man, and so would we. You have all the right on the planet to have your own opinion, regardless of how negative it is–yes, we understand that. But would you please stop thinking that you were somehow conferred the task of battling American patriotism? Assholes like you are the ones that spur the very behavior you are complaining about. You, my friend, are the cause of the problem that you so desperately want to eradicate. Simple logic tells you that you should fight you and your kind in order to rid yourself of those smelly, flabby, brainless, tasteless rednecks that you loathe.
By the way, calling you an asshole is not just mean-spirited, groundless name-calling that stems from ignorance and incompetence. Calling you an asshole is making an observation. It’s forming an opinion about you and your attitude. You have the right to think Americans are odious fanatics, right? Well, anyone has the right to think you are an odious asshole as well. I’m not an ignorant and I’m certainly not lacking arguments against you, yet I’m calling you an asshole. How’s that for unintelligent and uneducated name-calling?
232 Andres
February 14th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
@Andres (231): “Plus, the extent to which we are proud of our accomplishments is absolutely none of your god-damned business, unless it directly interfered with your own one.”
Sorry about that. That should be “Plus, the extent to which we are proud of our accomplishments is absolutely none of your god-damned business, unless it directly interfered with it.”
233 Roy Sipel
February 15th, 2010 at 12:11 am
I would have never thought…
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234 tzopilotl
February 15th, 2010 at 8:11 am
…gentlemen, you have to keep your rage under control by articulating it with something else besides plain old cursing, the best way is humor, sarcasm, irony: humor=
ome(N)=2, so you have to double up your meaning as in a homily, sa(r)casm=tzacualli(N)=hide behind something,
perhaps dissemble=irony=ilotia(N)=diminish, as phases
of the moon(be cool). also remember you are here to teach,
we have a lot to learn from you, and you from us, until
you becomes we: we are one family on this earth,
challenged at the moment but let’s not make it worse.
countrys are interconnected: one fails, others come to
the rescue, captitalism isn’t doing so well now, but that
doesn’t mean we have to fall out of our supporting actor
roles and revert to barbarisms, as sage shakespeare/chesperito said, the world’s a stage, we’re
here, the majority of us poor with a few rich peppercorns
sprinkled on each country’s plate, let’s act and fill our
roles and our heads and our stomachs because no matter
what our luck, it’s the same for all, we know where we
are going(al mismo agujero/to the same hole in the ground), but before we get there, let’s dare to live,
not dare to die(lao tzu=tlaolli tzoalli(N)=the seed rolls
off the land). war has nothing to teach us that is good.
our only hope is to learn what peace has shows us.
old tricks, old worn-out words won’t do it. tks.
235 tzopilotl
February 15th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
…i doubt very much if charles will take arthur=altia
toloa(N)=bow/toloa/tolerate the altar/altia(N) as his crown name, as he certainly did not honor his covenant
there with diana=ami/oan(N)=aim, and no label will cover
that self-inflicted wound. however, it is good to know
he is a human being like the rest of us, and that life
will toss around a king and a pauper equally.
236 isacc krohn
March 1st, 2010 at 11:00 am
My girlfriend Maggie and I enjoy making molasses on the weekends.
237 Lol
March 1st, 2010 at 10:21 pm
And then thy wonder why the rest of the world sees them as completely ignorant towards anything outside of their country… Nowhere else would you end up with a list so strongly skewed towards their local politics. And they don’t even notice it!
238 isacc krohn
March 2nd, 2010 at 10:37 am
yea but anyway how bout that delicious molasses?
239 tzopilotl
March 2nd, 2010 at 11:32 am
@isacc krohn (238):
we call it pepsi in mexico and it’s disgusting, issac,
you’re on the wrong channel and it’s no good for you,
get a boyfriend if you must but leave the poor girl alone!
240 tzopilotl
March 2nd, 2010 at 12:08 pm
@tzopilotl (239):
go thru regular channels.
241 Harry Hartley from RSA
April 11th, 2010 at 2:43 am
Yeah right on, the world is tired of these US gringos
242 Bking
April 26th, 2010 at 11:09 am
@Karl [13]: apollo was the god of light for both the greeks and romans…
243 Hatter
May 6th, 2010 at 8:06 am
So… Even though the story of Job happens in the Old Testament… You’ve decided that was God and a king? Sounds like Christians rewriting Jewish text to me.
244 Chore Boy
May 21st, 2010 at 8:13 pm
Well said!
Like I care about some "prince" that is disturbingly similar-looking to George Bush, some cross dresser that hears voices, or the proper name of some magical fallen fairy that now has horns and live in flames.
245 fattpill
June 3rd, 2010 at 12:55 pm
I love being a devout Christian and learning from some random website that the devil doesn't exsist. Nice try but you make yourself look ignorant and unlearned.
246 tom
July 19th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
The format should not have been "The error: …" It should have read "The real truth: …" Confusing indeed.
247 OffTheSubject
July 20th, 2010 at 11:04 pm
Americans are not any better or any worse than any other humans. Capitalism, and the happenstance that America and americans have ended up most thoroughly steeped in it, is what makes America and Americans seem to be a joke. Did you know that the richest three men have more money than the poorest 48 countries?
248 Disciple
July 21st, 2010 at 9:49 pm
This list has some that are far too vague and a bit out of context considering more source information was not provided. #1 for example, the name "lucifer" is not the name of an unknown babylonian king, but rather the source of the darkness that shrouds that kingdom. Babylon is referred to as both an acutal and symbolic (for reference sake in comparison to darkness, sin, wickedness, etc as outlined in Revelation.) In Further in Isiah 14:13-14 he outlines a description of lucifers fall.
249 Alisha Crider
July 28th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
The "the error" section was really confusing. It would make sense if it stated the error in society's thinking, but instead, I think it was referring to the fact behind the myth … ?