With no centralized Islamic religious authority like a Pope or Dalai Lama, pretty much any Muslim “scholar” can create a fatwa, a religious edict for modern life supposedly guided by the Koran or the (less authoritative) hadiths- stories from Muhammad’s life. In recent years, supply has far outstripped demand, and it’s getting laughable. Most fatwas are harmless and a little mundane, but lately, some Islamic jurists have gone straight crazy.
The Fatwa: Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz: The Sun Revolves Around the Earth
In a 2000 Fatwa titled “The Transmitted and Sensory Proofs of the Rotation of the Sun and Stillness of the Earth”, Saudi Arabian Grand Mufti Sheikh Ibn Baaz asserted that the earth was flat and disk-like and that the sun revolved around it. He had insisted that satellite images to the contrary were nothing but a Western conspiracy against the Islamic world.
Source: Al-Ahram Weekly Issue 477, 13-19 April, 2000.
The Fatwa: Ayatollah Khomeini: Kill for A Book None of Us Can Should Read!
In 1988, publication of Salman Rushdie’s novel “The Satanic Verses” led Iranian revolutionary leader Ayatollah Khomeini to issue a fatwa against Rushdie, with a huge bounty for his death. This triggered several attacks on the novel’s translators, publishers and booksellers, including the murder of Japanese translator Hitoshi Igarashi. Millions of Muslims around the world who had never read a single line of the book, and who had never even met Rushdie before, wanted him dead. Interesting fact, 24% of Iranians at the time couldn’t even read.
Source: “The West Is Choked by Fear”, Der Speigel Jan 4, 2010, Henryk Broder
The Fatwa: Malaysian National Fatwa Council: Tomboy fatwa
A University of Massachusetts study recently reported that girls who play sports have higher self esteem, and are less likely to enter (or remain in) abusive relationships. Could this fact have threatened the he-men at the Malaysia National Fatwa Council? Maybe. Perhaps that’s why Kuala Lumpur had a near riot on their hands when the Sisters in Islam marched against a Malaysian fatwa banning tomboys, which branded any girls who act un-ladylike as violating Islamic tenets. Fortunately, the as-yet undefined punishment for Malaysian girls in t-shirts and jeans hasn’t been incorporated into Sharia law yet.
Source: The Malaysian Insider
The Fatwa: Muhammad Al-Munajid: Bring Me the Head of Mickey Mouse
That’s right, somebody put on hit on Mickey Mouse. Calling Mickey “one of Satan’s soldiers,” Sheikh Muhammad Al-Munajid decreed that household mice and their cartoon cousins must be “killed in all cases”, according to the U.K.’s Daily Telegraph.
And get this—the guy’s not your average nutjob, either—Munajid used to be a former diplomat at the Saudi embassy in Washington D.C. He made the remarks on Arab television network al-Majd TV after he was asked to give Islam’s teaching on mice.
But don’t worry, Mickey won’t be alone. Munajid also put a hit on Jerry from “Tom and Jerry”. Maybe they could rent a flat with Salman Rushdie (above).
Source: Report: Saudi Cleric Says Mickey Mouse ‘Must Die’.
The Fatwa: Multaqa Ahl al Hadeeth: Emoticon fatwa
I can almost get behind this one. Sure, they’re annoying, but evil? Really? Well, to a Muslim forum looking to make a name for itself—yes.
According to Muslim Internet Forum Multaqa Ahl al Hadeeth, “Emoticons are forbidden because of its imitation to Allah’s creatures whether it is original or mixture or even deformed one and since the picture is the face and the face is what makes the real picture then emoticons which represent faces that express emotions then all that add up to make them Haram.” Additionally, “A woman should not use these images when speaking to a man who is not her mahram, because these faces are used to express how she is feeling, so it is as if she is smiling, laughing, acting shy and so on, and a woman should not do that with a non-mahram man. It is only permissible for a woman to speak to men in cases of necessity, so long as that is in a public chat room and not in private correspondence.”
Source: Jihadwatch
The Fatwa: Football fatwa
No, not even the beautiful game is safe from stupid fatwas. As part of a government drive to eliminate frivolous fatwas, the Saudi newspaper Al Watan lampooned one very real edict setting out new rules for football. Ridiculous demands included “do not play with 11 people like the heretics, Jews, and Christians”, and “play in your pyjamas or regular clothes (because) colored shorts and numbered T-shirts are not Muslim clothing”. Especially ridiculous is the edict to “remove the crossbar in order not to imitate the heretics and in order to be entirely distinct from the soccer system’s despotic international rules.”
Source: “A Fatwa on Football”, The Guardian, Monday 31 October 2005.
The Fatwa: Infidel Vaccine
Polio is actually increasing in India, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Pakistan. Why? Because an anti-polio fatwa by anti-Western clerics forbid Pakistani children from immunizations, because the clerics are saying the vaccine is a conspiracy to make Muslims sterile. Ironically, it’s the clerics’ plans that would produce this result, as dead/paralytic kids don’t breed all that much.
Source: “POLIO ERADICATION: Looking for a Little Luck”, Roberts Science 6 February 2009
The Fatwa: Rashad Hassan Khalil: No Nudity for Sex
In 2007, the former dean of Islamic law at al-Azhar University in Cairo issued a fatwa that nudity during sexual intercourse invalidates a marriage between husband and wife. Debate was immediate. Suad Saleh, head of the women’s department of Al-Azhar’s Islamic studies, pleaded for “anything that can bring spouses closer to each other” and Islamic scholar Abdel Muti concurred, saying “Nothing is prohibited during marital sex, except of course sodomy.”
For his part, Al-Azhar’s fatwa committee chairman Abdullah Megawar backpedaled and said that married couples could see each other naked but should really cover up with a blanket during sex.
Source: SimplyDumb
The Fatwa: Sheik Ali Gomaa: Urine Fatwa
According to Egypt’s Grand Mufti, Sheikh Ali Gomaa, drinking the urine of Muhammad is deemed a great blessing. What, they have a lot of this stuff lying around, going to waste or something? Remember, Muhammad never claimed that he himself was divine—so why does his piss have magic properties? Failing to pass the laugh test with Muslim scholars, Mufti later recanted, saying it was only his “personal opinion”.
Source: “A Fatwa Free-for-All in the Islamic World”, New York Times, Michael Slackman Published: Monday, June 11, 2007
The Fatwa: Ezzat Attiya: Adult Breastfeeding in the Workplace
In May 2007, Ezzat Attiya wondered how unrelated men and women could work together in the same office, when Islam forbids men and women who aren’t married or related to be alone together. His answer: let her suckle him FIVE TIMES. Yes, that’s right, an adult female breastfeeding an adult male coworker will defuse all sexual tension in the office. See, the female worker will now be the male worker’s foster mother, and they can be alone together anytime. Attiya’s ruling was intergalactically mocked, and quickly condemned on the homefront as well. He was later suspended from his job, pilloried in Arab newspapers, and issued a hasty retraction saying it was a “bad interpretation of a particular case.”
Source: “A Fatwa Free-for-All In the Islamic World”, New York Times, Michael Slackman, Monday, June 11, 2007.

























1 manashiori
February 25th, 2010 at 1:31 am
reminds me so much of 2012 and the director’s reason not to destroy the Meccah (he wouldn’t want to be chased with a fatwa on his name…)
2 Davern
February 25th, 2010 at 1:38 am
Some of these are very sad. Particularly the anti-polio fatwa.
3 capt funtime
February 25th, 2010 at 1:39 am
just wow…..i always wondered who made these up, turns out just a bunch of crazies (political correctness – im sure not all fatwas are mental)
4 Cazzazz
February 25th, 2010 at 1:40 am
Fascinating! I’ve heard of some strange ‘decrees’ but damn, these are utterly ridiculous.
Thanks xilebat
(Fear my evil smiley face.)
5 apepper
February 25th, 2010 at 1:42 am
I think some of the problem these people have is they don’t have proper jobs – it’s difficult to say what muftis (or priests for that matter) are actually for!
6 periwinkleskies
February 25th, 2010 at 1:49 am
This is interesting. However I just find these entries so weird. I mean, come on.
7 63jax
February 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Not a surprise here only arabs fanatics could made such idiotic rules ans statements. I think the arab nations and gypsies should be moved to Mars or better Jupiter. The only thing they like is to make war for the most ridiculous reasons and chopping heads off. They’re the most exotic race on the planet, they don’t belong here maybe they some kind of unevolved aliens…just nuke the fuck out of them and then will be peace in the world.
8 dsig
February 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am
good list, very interesting. And i love that you have used proper sources (not just wikipedia)…. you did your homework, well done!
9 Gabtinha
February 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Love this list
10 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 1:57 am
As I said before, there are idiots in every religion, how can anyone expect Muslims to follow the most of these? Although I don’t agree with the Salman Rushdie support, freedom of expression should not be absolute.
11 scouse_idiot
February 25th, 2010 at 2:07 am
you mean Sir Ahmed Salman Rushdie
12 cherry garcia
February 25th, 2010 at 2:10 am
I thought a fatwa was a fat jawa! jk
13 a horse mauls a ding-a-ling
February 25th, 2010 at 2:18 am
they say facebook is haram in Indonesia you know…
14 Stefan
February 25th, 2010 at 2:21 am
everything is fucking banned for muslims
15 missmambo
February 25th, 2010 at 2:22 am
LOL at no 1 and no 3! some of these are ridiculous and its encouraging to know that many muslims think so too!
16 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 2:25 am
This list will definitely delight the Muslim-bashers.
17 Bakunin
February 25th, 2010 at 2:28 am
we really shouldve gotten together with the communists and India and nipped this thing in the bud last century
18 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 2:31 am
@missmambo (15): How can you assume that many muslims think so too…?
19 Karl
February 25th, 2010 at 2:41 am
I just want to stress the point that the fatwas made there are caused not by the religion itself but by the people who made them. Thus it is safe to say that most Muslims today are sane enough to disobey those fatwas.
20 Russ
February 25th, 2010 at 2:44 am
well done on bringing this to light, I’m not a muslim but I think 63jax is the one that should be sent to mars or nuked or whatever for being fucking racist scum. get back in your hole you nazi and never bother us again.
21 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 2:47 am
@Russ (20): Right-o friend! let’s spread peace and not hate( which many dickheads won’t agree upon), 63jax is dickhead #1 …lezsee how many more are there
22 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 2:50 am
lol, very funny list and the comments are fairly funny aswell, i predict controversy, wooooooooooooooop
23 King Agag
February 25th, 2010 at 2:53 am
Utterly ridiculous. They should be ashamed of themselves. Them and all religionists – the Pope banning condoms and thus helping spread AIDS is just as bad as the polio-immunization fatwa. If it wasn’t so absurd and people weren’t dying because of religion it might actually be funny. Because believing Mickey Mouse is evil is almost as stupid as believing there is an all-powerful God who created everything and can hear the murmuring prayers of millions at a time… Reading lists like this make me realise how great it is to be atheist!
24 63jax
February 25th, 2010 at 2:55 am
Russ
Looool.First of all, fuck you very much. Second, you are full of hypocrisy , deep inside you feel exact the same thing, but here where everybody is watching you are a raw model of correctitude and morality. I just have the guts to say exactly what i feel about things. You made me laugh …nazi…lol
25 Malaysian
February 25th, 2010 at 2:57 am
Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am a MALAYSIAN!!!!!!!!!! Glad to see something MALAYSIAN on this list!!!!
26 Russ
February 25th, 2010 at 2:57 am
To King Agag (23) Hear Hear, couldn’t have put it better myself. Religion is little more than an excuse for people to absolve them selves of responsibility, It wasn’t my fault, it was god, brilliant. I’m left wondering how the religious can worship a weird ethereal being, offering their prayers to wish for things to happen, yet still rely on things like medicine and science when things really need to be fixed.
27 Ru
February 25th, 2010 at 2:58 am
Another grand example of how humans f**k up religion. Even though it’s a human invention it still amazes me that so many crazy things are derived from it.
In it’s essence religion ain’t a bad thing, just not something I need myself. It just annoys me that so many bad things come from it, more then any other human invention if you ask me.
*Resists the urge to use a gazillion smilies*
28 Russ
February 25th, 2010 at 3:00 am
63jax, no, actually you are a racist nazi twat. We don’t all think that a list about fatwas is an excuse to say that muslims and gypsys should be nuked. And where did gypsys come into it anyway? Bet you hate jews too don’t you? Stop listening to what your racist role models say and think about things for yourself. Dickhead.
29 dalinean
February 25th, 2010 at 3:05 am
NO problem with #1
30 Ahmad
February 25th, 2010 at 3:07 am
Okay, first of all, let me give you guys a simple 101 on fatwas –
- a fatwa is a religious edict.
- it should not contradict the Quran and the authentic hadiths.
- a Muslim scholar who issued a fatwa cannot forced anyone to accept his or her fatwa.
- A Muslim scholar who chose to issue a fatwa should provide his daleels or justifications from the Quran and/or Hadiths if asked. His answer to the inquiry ” What are your justifications for your fatwa ? ” cannot therefore be “I don’t know” or “I’m not sure” or “Shut up !”.
Having said that, if one is to notice, almost of these fatwas actually goes against the teachings of the Quran.
EG the shape of the earth is not flat (Al-Quran Chapter 79 Verse 30] where the Quran clearly describes the shape of the earth as being “dahaha”.
And to the Muslim-bashers, please note that these fatwas are not making the rounds in Muslim societies throughout the world. So don’t generalized.
These scholars are very minor figures with most Muslims.
Indeed, do I need to point out some very insane laws in the West too for comparisons ?
31 Ru
February 25th, 2010 at 3:11 am
@ Ahmad, insane western laws would actually make a very intersting list. i’d love to read that
Besides that, thanks for the 101. We live and learn.
32 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 3:14 am
@Ahmad (30): Thanks for enlightening us
33 Jasmine
February 25th, 2010 at 3:16 am
As a muslim I love this post – some fatawa are RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!
34 63jax
February 25th, 2010 at 3:16 am
Russ
I am not racist, i don’t hate jews at all. I just speak from my own experiences that i had with some fanatics religious arabs and gypsies. What da’ fuck do you know about life, you live your pink life in USA very far from the tumultuous areas of the world where the real shit is happening. Stop talking about tolerance and racism cuz’ US is the biggest racist country if we put it this way. Did you ever watched a woman dying just because she dared to love a man with different religion?
35 tarachowski
February 25th, 2010 at 3:16 am
Great list, some sad but most quite funny. I especially loved that no.1 was “intergalactically mocked” – as if any aliens cruising past also agreed that he was a nutjob: possibly he saved the human race by convincing them we’re too stupid even to eat.
36 Good Wolf
February 25th, 2010 at 3:19 am
I hate Islam. Christianity’s bastard younger brother. One of a trio if evil religions.
37 King Agag
February 25th, 2010 at 3:20 am
Ahmad, thanks for that. I agree with you that it is what people do in the name of religion that is absurd. Religionists or atheists should both agree on that point.
38 Russ
February 25th, 2010 at 3:20 am
63jax. I’m not american. What you’ve done there is make an assumption based on what you perceive to be true. just like your first post. And yes I have seen first hand the problems that religion and fanaticism brings. All too often. Which is why I choose to live my life believing in people, regardless of their faith, colour, creed or beliefs rather than make my mind up about a particular group, tarring each member with the same brush.
39 CoreSplit
February 25th, 2010 at 3:38 am
Great List after a long time… the comments are a better read i believe… keep it controversial guys…
40 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 3:39 am
I dunno why people assume USA to be the ‘most racist’ country in the world when nearly all the countries world over all guilty of racism in one form or the other.
41 astraya
February 25th, 2010 at 3:44 am
Re #2: Muslims are not allowed to drink alcohol, so obviously there needs to be some other way for them to get pissed.
42 Don
February 25th, 2010 at 3:51 am
I don’t know what to say!
Do you think these are really true?
I find it hard to believe they would be so stupid.
Or maybe I’m wrong.
Though, I’ve seen some stuff that’s been done.
So, I think it’s true, and sad.
43 Jack Deth
February 25th, 2010 at 3:54 am
No 6 makes me
.
Good list, lot of nutty people out there!
44 H3000
February 25th, 2010 at 3:59 am
Hi there,
I can say as a Muslim that I have never heard of any of these fatwas and they were probably brought up once by some fanatic crackpot and make ‘good list material’. It seems Listverse has gone the way of controversy to generate hits, which I find very unsettling. Other than that, I would like to stress that a good Muslims adheres only to the Quran and nothing else. There are ‘whacky’ traditions in every culture, and please refrain from this kind of language when referring to the Islamic Prophet:
“Muhammad never claimed that he himself was divine—so why does his piss have magic properties?”
It’s embarassing and disrespectful and makes you sound like a fratboy trying to get laughs from his wasted friends.
45 tommyvercetti_1987
February 25th, 2010 at 4:05 am
I think Mickey Mouse is annoying but what did Jerry ever do to that asshole.
46 Jono
February 25th, 2010 at 4:06 am
The nicest people I have EVER met were from Oregon. Me and 2 friends were camping at Abel Tasman National Park, and they came over and lent us their axe to chop wood. Then they lent us a gas stove, fully loaded and a spare gas bottle too. Then they invited us over for drinks, and gave us quite a lot of alcohol, and my friends a polished paua, and then a whole heap of Micheal Crichton books. It was amazing!
So no, US people aren’t necessarily the most racist country.
47 Jono
February 25th, 2010 at 4:07 am
Uhh,
So no, the US aren’t necessarily the most racist country.
48 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 4:08 am
islam is a powerful tool for racial hatred, as is catholisism(N IRELAND). obviously not all muslims are terrorists , in britain i get very annoyed at convicted terrorists pissing and moaning about how there rights have been violated, but these fucking tools are trying to destroy the very rights that they claim have been taken from then. makes me bloody laugh, every cave drelling rag headed binladen loving pussy lip out there should be put on an island and nuked and while were at it every hate preacher, whether catholic or muslim should be locked up with peadophiles and rapists . lol funny arse list.
49 lala
February 25th, 2010 at 4:09 am
I dont know whether to laugh out loud or cry after reading this? i guess there should be a fatwa against clerics with no brains.
50 A910
February 25th, 2010 at 4:12 am
There’s tons of ridiculous fatwa in Indonesia. They made them faster than fashion designer making a collection.
51 Swede
February 25th, 2010 at 4:16 am
It’s easier by far to be a Christian. When all you have to do is love thy neighbour, how hard can it be?
52 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 4:17 am
@lala (49): there should also be a fatwa against stupid comments like #48!
(Oh no the evil smiley!!)
53 Russ
February 25th, 2010 at 4:17 am
unless your neighbour isn’t a christian,
54 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 4:21 am
there should be fatwa against little geeky pricks sat behind a computer screen living an imaginary life
55 Ru
February 25th, 2010 at 4:24 am
@Swede 51
to bad lots of christians fail to even live by that single rule.
56 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 4:30 am
@danny (54): yeah i’ve always been a big fan of solipsism!
57 Darkhorse
February 25th, 2010 at 4:34 am
LOL @ #3!! How stupid is that? Of all the silliness listed above that one takes the prize. No issues with Islam from me, however this list shows just how backward the whole belief system is. Talk about wanting to take all the joy out of life. I somehow doubt that was the original intention by Mohammed. Organized religion should just go the way of the dinosaurs and get it over with. Anytime you have men claiming to understand what God intended you are going to get craziness like this. I include the Vatican in that sentiment too just in case anyone thinks I’m picking on Islam.
58 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 4:39 am
@julius thats probably because everything thing that happens outside of your own mind is too sad and shit, u need to see a shrink.
59 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 4:45 am
@danny (58): I’ll go to a shrink if you go to a doctor and get a vasectomy, because I really hope people like you won’t procreate!
60 7raul7
February 25th, 2010 at 4:54 am
@Darkhorse (57): @danny (48): @Good Wolf (36): @63jax (7): Please refer to comment no. 30
61 Darkhorse
February 25th, 2010 at 5:15 am
@7raul7(60) Thanks for pointing that out. I have to ask the question though, if they go against the teachings then why do they issue them? Putting a fatwa on cartoon characters? Mickey Mouse a soldier of Satan? Seriously? Please understand that I don’t profess to know a whole lot about Islam, and also please understand that I respect all religions no matter how silly some of the rules are. I do have to reiterate that Islam does seem stuck in the 7th century (and yes I think Christianity is too). This is the 21st century for heaven’s sake, expecting people to live by rules that are set out in books written a couple thousand years, and over a thousand years ago is to me just out of touch with what’s going on around us. My feeling is that organized religion has no place in today’s world unless it can attempt to conform to modern realities. Personally I have faith that there is a higher power in the universe, I just don’t have time for the men who claim to speak for that higher power
62 dsig
February 25th, 2010 at 5:16 am
dying is illegal in the houses of parliament in england. thats pretty weird
63 JoeBlack
February 25th, 2010 at 5:16 am
Just as a remainder, there is no religious authority in Islam, meaning that fatwas are not an order you must follow, like a decree by the pope (condoms? anyone?.
Incorrect facts :
N°10 : Ibn Baz Clearly refuted having said that the sun revolves around the earth, he indeed affirmed that the earth rotates around the sun which is not stationery as it revolves around the center of the milky way (Source : Ibn baz website translated here http://thetruereligion.org/modules/articles/item.php?itemid=149)
N° 7 : No one believes we should kill mickey mouse, the debate was about what we should do to rodents, the part where he brough mickey mouse in the talk was a joke! (source : the guy posted a youtube video available here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkAepzH8NE0&feature=channel)
N°6 : About emoticons : Come On ! are we gonna start questionning forum trolls, and taking that as a fatwa?
N°5 : Beside trolls, do you consider a saudi newspaper columnist a religious authoriy ?!
N°4 : This fatwa has indeed been issued, but there is no anti-west involved, the matter is that trypsin is used to prepare the polio vaccine, which is exracted form pork. (http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503549710)
Again, fatwas have no authoritiy, as a muslim myself, i have no plan of killing Mr Rushdie if i met him. and i’ve seen beter lists on listverse.
64 mom424
February 25th, 2010 at 5:21 am
Can’t be Muslim because of Fatwas, can’t be Catholic because of the Pope/no condom thing, can’t be evangelical Protestant because of the whole lets execute the gay folk in Africa thing, can’t be Jewish because of Palestine – No wonder that even people who believe in God don’t go to Church/Temple often.
@danny (48): calling people rag-heads etc. doesn’t really help now does it? You’ve basically discounted, what 1/3 of the global population? or thereabouts? And what of the civilian population? Do they not deserve a chance to live and prosper? Maybe if that was seen to years and years ago (instead of arming one despot after another)there wouldn’t be such a ready pool of militants. Douche-bag.
65 Ru
February 25th, 2010 at 5:22 am
Now I’m left wondering what there going to do to you if you do happen to die in there… Hang you? :p
66 SLiK-RO
February 25th, 2010 at 5:33 am
do muslims want their people not to breathe either? The women are just treated like…well, nothing. Don’t they have anything better to do than to add more stupid shit to sharia law. No nudity during sex? really? micky mouse is evil? ya w/e. but not allowing vaccines to treat polio is just plain stubborn and stupid…
67 chingpower
February 25th, 2010 at 5:45 am
@periwinkleskies (6): i notice your name everytime i browse the comment section. your name sounds cool to me. you’re a Filipino right?
btw great list though it’s a bit islamcentric. kidding. XD
68 SURYA
February 25th, 2010 at 5:52 am
Nudity is not a pre-condition for sex. Can’t two blind persons make love?
69 Kooter
February 25th, 2010 at 5:54 am
@SteveC
SteveC wishes he was American.
70 oouchan
February 25th, 2010 at 5:57 am
I’m gad that even muslims opposed some of these ideals. Wow. I laughed out loud when I read number 7 with the “hit” on Mickey Mouse. Too funny!
….and then the extreme, in number 4 about denying a vaccine to children. That is just very sad.
Nice list.
@astraya (41): Funny.
71 shadydeathrow
February 25th, 2010 at 5:58 am
This list is too muslim-centric!
72 Cal
February 25th, 2010 at 6:01 am
i agree this fatwas are ridiculous and i am against them.
however, the way you write this list shows that you are not an impartial researcher writing solely for the benefit of the masses.
you are clearly against muslims and this list give you more reasons to do so. it is like saying Ben-Hur and Godfather are crap because they came from the same community who produces American Pie and Scary Movie.
this list if offensive.
73 Libby
February 25th, 2010 at 6:10 am
@Kooter (70): I also believe that SteveC wishes to be American. lol
74 haj pedo ibn perveted
February 25th, 2010 at 6:10 am
will u ppl juz stop wif the “fill in the blank”-centric BS??? this list and any other list is…gawd dammit, THIS WHOLE ENTIRE WEBSITE is a source of information ppl!!! pliz giv Comments ABOUT the topic not ur SELFISH OPINION!!!
75 Rachid
February 25th, 2010 at 6:17 am
what the hell are you talking about?????? I am a muslim and I’v never heard any of these “fatwas”… you are taking a wrong picture of islam…. trust me, we are not like this in any way…. or at least in Lebanon
76 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:18 am
@BraveHisTickle: freedom of speech should definately be absolute, religious extremists shouldnt be safe from critcism. i will speak my mind on everything i feel like, say whatever i want to who i want, and i expect others to do the same. if you feel you have the right to not be offended you should keep your mouth shut.
im not a nazi, but id defend Hitler’s freedom of speech should it come to that, just as i would defend the KKK’s freedom of speech. if some things are ok to say, EVERYTHING is ok to say. they may be racist biggots, but they have a right to be. hell, id even stand up for Fred Phelps’ freedom to speak his mind.
you are exercising your freedom of speech just to demean it. idiot. but thats your right.
77 Rachid
February 25th, 2010 at 6:21 am
@just passing by (77): trust me… i am a muslim… and we are not against christianity at all…. you are taking a wrong picture of us
78 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:21 am
@surya: nudity is not a precondition for sex, but being blind doesnt make your partner any less naked…
79 matmohair1
February 25th, 2010 at 6:24 am
ITS SAD BUT TRUE!
- after the fall of the legitimate ottoman empire
the middle east was ruled by extremely weak and stupid illegitimate dictatorships
– only a real mufti can give a fatwa when research is made with hundreds of scholars
- today all legitimate muftis are under corrupt government control or banished or executed
– a new group on heretics called Wahhabis emerged who give the right of fatwa to any moron or idiot with the brain of a peanut
– they do that intentional to direct attention from the presidents corruption or because the have nothing better to do or because the are just a bunch of pinheads
– GOD HELP US ALL !
80 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:24 am
@Kyle-5000: moron.
1. these arent laws pushed down anyones throat, muslims can freely choose whether or not to follow them.
2. do you really think youd get to suck the breasts of the women you find attractive? youd have to suck the “boob juice” of every woman in the office, or maybe the ugly ones should just be fired?
81 Rachid
February 25th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Guys!!!!! stop talking shit about islam!!!…you do not know what you are talking about… I am a muslim and I live no diffrently that any european or american…. I have never even heard about these “FATWAS”…you are given a wrong image about us…
82 Ahmed Syed Bakhari
February 25th, 2010 at 6:30 am
peace be upon u fellow terrorist,
is this a JIHAD forum?
83 matmohair1
February 25th, 2010 at 6:31 am
I WOULD LIKE TO ADD THAT THE WORST FATWAS ARE THOSE OF SHEA’S – EXAMPLE : TUNA CANS, CHEESE, DRINKING WATER WITH SAND – LOL
NOTE THAT ALL THESE FATWAS ARE NOT APART OF ISLAM IN ANY WAY BUT ARE STUPID DISTRACTIONS TO KEEP CITIZENS DIVIDED RATHER THAN RISE AGAINST THE CORRUPT DICTATORSHIPS THAT ENSLAVE THE THIRD WORLD
84 Kyle-5000
February 25th, 2010 at 6:31 am
@Cernunnos aka bunghole . yup free to choose between following these ridiculous fatwas or death by beheadding , stonning ,hanging etc . yup a world of choices right at their fingertips .But yes excellent point fire the uglies i say make them work the coal mines . PS this is an informal and judging from most of the comments humerous platform to dicuss things . this is not the politically correct website of boring dickass society . so ya chill out .
85 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:33 am
Rachid: if you cant stand your idiotic beliefs being criticised maybe you should consider terminating your internet connection.
this list isnt trying to tell anyone “what islam is like,” just what kind of idiocy exists within it, no-one really thinks this gives an indication towards what islam as a religion is, and if they do they are idiots and you have no reason to feel offended by their words. a fatwa is just an opinion. islam is shit, though. if that offends you, thats your problem.
86 Jamal Williamson
February 25th, 2010 at 6:36 am
hi everybody and peace be upon u Ahmed syed Bakhari,
no this is not an JIHAD forum.
im a ex-convict converted to ISLAM! the holy religion. Islam teaches good morals and builds the foundation on inner good!
so ppl please, may ALLAH guides us all
87 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:40 am
@Kyle-5000: i cant stand political correctness, and you apparently have no clue what a fatwa is. no-one is forced to follow them, they are not law. gotten through to you yet?
listverse is neither nor. its a very diverse society, and there are shitheads from all walks of life, but toilet humour and immature behavior is *usually* looked down upon. and yes, saying youd support a fatwa because it would be the only way for you to experience female nudity is immature.
88 Lester Pubert
February 25th, 2010 at 6:40 am
screw this list and all yer religion BS.. i believe of freedom of speech and UP YOURS GOD!!!
i believe in GUNS!!! life is just a trigger away y’all!!!!
89 Kyle-5000
February 25th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Seriously guys these comments are really disturbing me , please stop being so biased and prejudiced and try to exercise some true fairness by hating and ridiculing all religions equally. because they all do suck cept the one i follow – the benevolenbt church of the kingdom of beer ,boobs and beef jerky ( biltong ) .
90 Hairy
February 25th, 2010 at 6:46 am
Why would anybody convert to this backward religion?
91 Father Nigel
February 25th, 2010 at 6:48 am
please my sons, dont tarnish the good name of our lord and saviour. we are but just humans and believe in 1 true God. The bible has never tells you to have this “freedom of speech” where the humans are the ones who have created such rights. not from our lord. Jesus never wants to say that can hurt other people feelings. be ashamed my sons. this is the doings of 1 of the deadly Seven sins ,’Pride’ & your ‘lust’ to comment bad words.
i have to confess to you all, my sons for even i have sinned by looking at my fellow devotees arm hair!! OH!! THERE!!! I’VE SAID IT!!! LORD JESUS!!! BEAM ME UP LORD XENU!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
92 matmohair1
February 25th, 2010 at 6:50 am
THIS IS NOT AN ARTICLE ABOUT ISLAMIC LAW BUT RATHER IT DEALS WITH LAWS CREATED BY MODERN HERETICS OF THE 20TH AND 21ST CENTURIES – READ THEM FOR A LAUGH – DON’T TAKE THEM TOO SERIOUSLY,
BUT WILL YOU PLEASE STOP YOUR HATE MONGERING – CHRISTIANITY KILLED MORE PEOPLE ON THIS PLANET
- YOU MUST HAVE READ THE CODE OF DEUTERONOMY WHICH INSISTS ON THE MASSACRE OF WOMEN AND CHILDREN DURING WARFARE – ESPECIALLY AFTER A SIEGE : CHECK WHAT HAPPENED DURING THE 100 YEARS WAR
-EMPEROR CHARLEMAGNE KILLED ANY EUROPEAN WHO DIDN’T CONVERT (LOMBARD’S, SAXONS, ETC.):THE BLOODY VERDICT OF VERDUN
-THE SPANISH CONQUISTADORS DECIMATED MESOAMERICAN CIVILIZATION WHILE MISSIONARIES BURNED THEIR CODICES
-HITLER WAS A CHRISTIAN
PLEASE DON’T FLY AWAY FROM THE MAIN SUBJECT, KEEP YOUR PROFANITY TO YOURSELF AND DON’T FORGET TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR BEFORE YOU SPEAK!
93 Rachid
February 25th, 2010 at 6:53 am
@Cernunnos (91): you got my messang wrong… I’m not talking about the list… but about the comment that i’v read. And about you thinking that islam is shit… it’s your opinion… but what I’m trying to tell is to stop thinking negative about islam… there are 1 billion muslim in the world, some 100000 are terrorist (and we all admit that they are terrorist)are distroing the image of 1 billion peacefull muslim
94 Ru
February 25th, 2010 at 6:56 am
I’M A MEMBER OF THE CAPSLOCISTS AND I APROVE THIS MESSAGE…
P.S. I’m not a christian so I’m just as offended about what all the christians did and do as to what muslims did/do. The whole christian vs. muslim chant doesn’t work on me. Now gimme a list of what atheist did for terrible things and I’ll listen.
95 Rachid Twin
February 25th, 2010 at 6:58 am
im sorry for my other half spelling mistake, not distroing but DESTROYING. tq
96 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 6:59 am
@matmohair1: no-one said it was, but how exactly does defending your religion by saying christianity has killed more help your case?
christianity sucks about as much as islam does, but in todays society, in the here and now, islam is the one of the 2 responsible for most deaths, bringing the past into it doesnt help your cause. besides, islam is still in its infancy, so its death toll is impressive by any standard.
97 Isa malik
February 25th, 2010 at 7:00 am
this list is funny!! u see, islam do also have sense of humour! nice list! 5/5
98 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 7:02 am
please
99 Shagrat
February 25th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Sooooooooo – there are good, intelligent Fatwa’s???
100 SURYA
February 25th, 2010 at 7:04 am
What would you say about an office where the women breastfeed their male colleagues?
THE OFFICE SUCKS!
101 Shagrat
February 25th, 2010 at 7:05 am
101 – nobody specified that the virgins (and you only get 72, not 75) have to be of the opposite sex: or the same one if you’re gay!)
102 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 7:05 am
@Rachid: i dont care much about the terrorists, in some very few cases i even believe they were within their rights.
im not concerned with the divide and violence that islam and other religions bring. its the ignorance and stupidity. the belief in deitys and divine creation is halting the progress of mankind, its keeping us back. it spreads ignorance and misinformation, and thats what i hate. trust me, if it werent for religion, people would find other ways to justify killing each other, you can hardly blame religion for it.
islam sucks because its beliefs goes against science, and everything that has improved our lives in a tangible way comes from naturalistic science, not jewish zombies and some prophet to ugly to depict.
103 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 7:05 am
lmao!!!!!!!
104 a horse mauls a ding-a-ling
February 25th, 2010 at 7:06 am
@SURYA (69): don’t be a hypocrite surya.. i believe you’re from indonesia? can sex be done without being naked? yes.. but do you WANT to do it for the rest of your life? i believe not.. even the women who were supposed to be protected were against it..
105 Kyle-5000
February 25th, 2010 at 7:07 am
Islam is the second largest religion in my country but here they seem pretty peacefull ( except if you steal their designer shoes from outside the mosk on a friday afternoon serious that really really pisses them off im not joking i did it when i was much younger those bearded gents in PJs can CHASE!!.)
106 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 7:07 am
lol @danny( who highjacked my name), i neva said i was a islam hater, i just believe it is a stupid religoin, like afew others
107 Sir matthew
February 25th, 2010 at 7:07 am
i would like to give this list contributor a nice pat on the back for a remarkable list!
108 danny
February 25th, 2010 at 7:09 am
#116 u dont say! really?? me too!!
109 get a clue
February 25th, 2010 at 7:11 am
You could substitute “fatwa” for just about any other organized religion or sect and keep the same list of incredibly stupid things done to humans in the name of a pretend god and man-created book of stories and myths.
Fun to read, and to remind sane and rational people of the value of science and reality over superstition.
110 Swapie
February 25th, 2010 at 7:12 am
This is why I am a non-believer.
111 Choosilicious
February 25th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Its not the Muhammad, It’s just the Muslims they go a bit crazy in making up fatwas.
112 Mac
February 25th, 2010 at 7:19 am
The breast feeding sounds good to me!!!
113 Tex
February 25th, 2010 at 7:42 am
Just further proof of what a stoneage, humorless and retarded “religion” is that called Islam. Christianty is just goofy but Islam is outright dangerous.
114 Qabandi
February 25th, 2010 at 7:55 am
dont blame Islam you idiots, these are HUMAN BEING making claims out of their ignorance, They can be proven wrong and probably have been,
Science makes alot of claims as well, that seem to be built on evidence but later proven otherwise, but yet we dont call science BS do we,
lets not have a double standard
115 DONdon
February 25th, 2010 at 8:00 am
hahahah love this list.!!
actually i am a muslim, not a practicing one though, i eat pork , have sex alot , drink and all that good stuff
but it’s funny to see how people jump to conclusions and start to attack each other, every religion has its conservative branches and would it be fair to say that all Christians are like hitler, no ofcourse not.!! that be offensive.
so ignorant people please try to get your shit together and learn something
:D:D
peace out
116 revolver04
February 25th, 2010 at 8:02 am
I’m declaring a fatwa on the author of this list! I’m just kidding, of course. Really sad list though.
117 Moonbeam
February 25th, 2010 at 8:02 am
@matmohair1 (98): Mmmmm Kay, look at your keyboard. On the left side count up three keys from the bottom. First you’ll see “Ctrl” then “”Shift” then “Caps Lock.” Go ahead and press “Caps Lock.” Now you can write in lower case as well as upper case. Give it a go!
118 Scratch
February 25th, 2010 at 8:03 am
It’s sad how much ignorance is floating around about Islam and Muslims. I am certain that none of the people who are so quick to denounce Muslims have had any Muslim friends or co-workers. If people just took the opportunity to get to know individuals rather than film stereotypes and conservative talk-radio nonsense, they would see that we’re all just people. We are all just people, regardless of the ridiculous aspects of our religions, our cultures, and our states. Before you open your mouth in ignorance and spread hatred, just think if this is something you would say about your brother or sister.
Get to know people as individuals and LEARN about what you are offering your opinion on.
“Something spiritual happen when those hands get to clappin’
Can you tell me, what language do you laugh in?
The human reaction of smiles and cries
What language are the tears when they’re falling from your eyes?”
- Brother Ali
119 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 8:11 am
@Ru (100): Hitler, Stalin, Mao . . .
120 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 8:15 am
@danny (61): Is this really the best possible answer you could come up with? That’s just sad…
121 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 8:16 am
@qabandi: science makes no claims, scientists does. and before any hypothesis is aknowledged by science it HAS to pass through peer-review, and undergo further research and testing before even being called a theory.
most of the claims that “science” has made that has turned out to be false is when religious idiots are trying to tarnish its name, or overly greedy and ambitious people fabricate results, the truth always surfaces though. because thats the business science is in, truth. truth and progress.
within science an old theory is instantly cast away should it turn out to be false, they are not glorified, followers of science do not close our eyes and clasp our hands over our ears when someone try to dispute a scientific claim. unlike, say, religion.
science itself is infallible, all scientists however are not. religion is based upon a foundation of idiocy and glorified ideals from the bronze-age.
122 SURYA
February 25th, 2010 at 8:16 am
Emoticons are pure devils, no doubt about that. Most of them grind teeth and swear profanities, when you are not looking.
123 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 8:24 am
@cubone: hitler was catholic. the nazi party’s motto was “god with us.”
stalin and mao didnt follow any religion, but none of their acts were motivated by their lack of belief in a god. both stalin and hitler had mustaches, maybe thats the common denominator? pol pot and mao were bald, maybe thats it!?
terrorists kill people because of islam, crusaders killed people because they wouldnt believe in jesus. the vatican killed scinetists who could disprove the bible’s claims. stalin did what he did because he was a powerhungry ruthless man, not because he was an atheist.
124 DONdon
February 25th, 2010 at 8:30 am
@Cubone 134
you also gotta take in consideration that not all people followed hitler mao or stalin…i would certainly not blow myself up for islam…fuck that!!!!
the point is extremists are found everywhere and thanks god they are not the majority
125 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 8:35 am
@DONdon (129): Right on!
126 asleeping
February 25th, 2010 at 8:40 am
I’m quite thoroughly Christian and could quite happily shuffle loose Salman Rushdie. Rubbish to the bone. Up the Islam!
127 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 8:45 am
S@Cernunnos (125): Saying you are Catholic doe3s not make you Catholic. A Baptized KKK member does not make him a Christian. Hitler Abandon his faith as a child, the targeted Catholics.
128 Pan Pipe Dreams
February 25th, 2010 at 8:47 am
@asleeping (126):
This, folks, is why religion is dying and why religion has to die.
129 Trapper439
February 25th, 2010 at 8:49 am
BITTY!!!
130 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 8:50 am
@Cubone: if someone says they are a catholic, or if they say they are christian, they are. they do not have to conform to your exact belief to fall within the classification. just because hitler didnt fall within what you erronously call catholicism doesnt make him an atheist you fucking idiot.
131 /.>??
February 25th, 2010 at 8:53 am
This list is the epitome of xenophobia
132 Bob
February 25th, 2010 at 8:55 am
Picture is not of football. That’s soccer. This list fails.
133 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am
@bob: picture is of football, proper football. not sissy-rugby.
134 Freshies
February 25th, 2010 at 8:56 am
@SteveC (67):
Just because we are so badass and make the rest of the world have to try to keep up with our badassness.
135 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Hahahahahha..controversies+ hate-mongering trolls+ peace endorsing commenters= more traffic and comments= more revenue for Jamie
hyuk hyuk! clever Jamie! 3 cheers for JF! Hip hip hurray!
136 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 9:04 am
@Cernunnos (130): Who’s the idiot?! Don’t tell me what is or isn’t Catholic. A Catholic excommunicates him/herself by their actions. Bill Clinton calling himself the first black president doesn’t make him black! WTF!! Am I a scientist because I proclaimit?!
137 Forsythia
February 25th, 2010 at 9:17 am
This is a great list.
Fatwa aren’t binding. It’s not necessarily a rule all Muslims must live by. In that respect this list is a lot like yesterdays! These people are just extremests trying to make their mark in their own religion…and (for the most part) failing, ha.
Such an intersting list that was, yet again, brought down a few notches with ridiculous comments. Still a great list though.
138 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
February 25th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Hell of a list. Some of these legit made me laugh out loud.
@matmohair1 (92): Might want to get your caps lock key fixed buddy
139 /.>??
February 25th, 2010 at 9:19 am
@BravehisTickle (135): you just bored the shit out of me, well done.
140 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 9:19 am
@SURYA (68):
Excellent point!
@oouchan (70):
I laughed hard for all of them! How silly…
@Cernunnos (80):
Hmmm… True!
141 Lifeschool
February 25th, 2010 at 9:21 am
@BravehisTickle (135): HURRAY!
I’m enjoying the list and the comments – religion eh? Gee.
142 Gabriel
February 25th, 2010 at 9:22 am
I wish all religions were extinct.
143 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 9:24 am
@/.>?? (139): Yeaaah, juz what I wuz hopin’
..a dreary, ho-hum comment to make people go..(yaaaaawwwwn..oh wow, what a great thing he has said **sarcasm**) …har har
144 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 9:26 am
@BravehisTickle (40):
I agree! Isn’t the U.S. one of the most multi-racial countries on the planet? There are other countries that are far less “colorful” than America, but I know them to be much more racist. Not calling any names!
145 /.>??
February 25th, 2010 at 9:27 am
@BravehisTickle (143): Terminator Salvation is a 2009 American science fiction film, the fourth installment in the Terminator series, directed by McG, and starring Christian Bale as future Resistance leader John Connor and Sam Worthington as cyborg Marcus Wright. The film also introduces a young Kyle Reese from the original 1984 film, played by Anton Yelchin, as well as depicting the origin of the T-800 Model 101 Terminator.
Terminator Salvation, set in 2018, focuses on the war between humanity and Skynet — a departure from the previous installments, which were set between 1984 and 2004 and used time travel as a key plot element.
After a troubled pre-production, with The Halcyon Company acquiring the rights for the franchise from Andrew G. Vajna and Mario Kassar and several writers working on the screenplay, filming began in May 2008 in New Mexico and ran for 77 days. The film is currently the most expensive independent production in history, with a budget of $200 million. Terminator Salvation was released on May 21, 2009 in the United States and Canada, followed by early June releases in the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa. The film was met with mixed critical reception[3] and failed to meet initial financial expectations. However, its final worldwide gross of $372 million ranked it 16th in terms of grosses in 2009.
Bored yet?
146 /.>??
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Anti-Catholicism is a generic term for discrimination, hostility or prejudice directed against Catholicism, and especially against the Roman Catholic Church, its clergy or its adherents. The term also applies to the religious persecution of Catholics or to a “religious orientation opposed to Catholicism.”[1] In the Early Modern period, the Catholic Church struggled to maintain its traditional religious and political role in the face of rising secular powers in Europe. As a result of these struggles, there arose a hostile attitude towards the considerable political, social, spiritual and religious power of the Pope of the day and the clergy in the form of “anti-clericalism”. To this was added the epochal crisis over the church’s spiritual authority brought about by the Protestant Reformation, giving rise to sectarian conflict and a new wave of anti-Catholicism.
In more recent times, anti-Catholicism has assumed various forms, including the persecution of Catholics as members of a religious minority in some localities, assaults by governments upon them, discrimination, desecration of churches and shrines, and virulent attacks on clergy and laity.
Anti-Catholicism has its origins in the Reformation which developed a deep-rooted antipathy for the Church as a result of its long struggle to establish its independence outside the Church. Because the Reformation was based on an effort to correct what it perceived to be errors and excesses of the Catholic Church, it formed strong positions against the Roman clerical hierarchy and the Papacy in particular. These positions were brought to the New World by British colonists who were predominantly Protestant, and who opposed not only the Catholic Church but also the Protestant Church of England which, due to its perpetuation of some Catholic doctrine and practices, was deemed to be insufficiently “reformed”
Powell made the speech at the Midland Hotel in Birmingham to a meeting of the Conservative Political Centre at 2:30 pm. The Birmingham-based television company ATV saw an advance copy of the speech the morning it was delivered, and its news editor ordered a television crew to go to the venue, where they filmed sections of the speech. Earlier in the week, Powell said to his friend Clement Jones, who was a journalist at the Wolverhampton Express & Star, “I’m going to make a speech at the weekend and it’s going to go up ‘fizz’ like a rocket; but whereas all rockets fall to the earth, this one is going to stay up”. Though Powell referred to the speech as “the Birmingham speech”, it is otherwise known as the “Rivers of Blood” speech, a title derived from its allusion to a line from Virgil’s Aeneid.[1] The phrase “rivers of blood” does not appear in the speech.
147 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 9:28 am
@BravehisTickle (143):
Lol!
148 stockyzeus
February 25th, 2010 at 9:30 am
trolls trolling trolls is like masturbating to videos of other greasy guys sitting in front of their computers.
149 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 9:34 am
@Gabriel (142):
Why? I wish there’d be more religions! More religions = More controversy/ beautiful drama; like most of these comments, today…
Seriously, religion is just a tool: for some to rely on for comfort, whilst others make money of it… But these Fatwas are insane! What did Mickey Mouse ever do to anyone? Lol!
Personally, I would always remain deeply spiritual, never religious…
150 bobjim
February 25th, 2010 at 9:35 am
shite list
151 jimbob
February 25th, 2010 at 9:37 am
lol i always find it hilarious when americans calll football soccer, you have the nerve to call american football proppa football, you dont hardly kick it lol, u use your hands, stop blaspheming the beautiful game.
152 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am
@DONdon (115):
Oh man… You’re the perfect Muslim man… I think I love you!
153 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 9:45 am
cubone: whether a person is black or not is clearly visible.
in your eyes no-one who does anything you disaprove of belong to your religion then? fuck me you are stupid. if a person accepts jesus as his savior he is a christian whether he conforms to your belief of what a christian is. you do not get to decide who belongs to what religion, that is for every person to decide for himself, because there is such a thing as freedom of belief as well. Hitler was a catholic, wether you fucking like it or not, you saying he wasnt a catholic doesnt not revoke his beliefs anymore than it makes him an atheist.
154 Lifeschool
February 25th, 2010 at 9:54 am
If I was a guru I’d say to you:
G. U. R. U.
Gee, You are YOU!
Gee, You ARE You!!
You are your own freedom, you are your own guru..
You tell yourself what you can and can’t do..
…And that is all you need to know.
155 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 9:58 am
@jimbob (149): She does? Oh no, now you completely ruined my childhood innocence! Just how am I going to respond to such a sophisticated insult that I care so little about?
156 Forsythia
February 25th, 2010 at 9:59 am
@jimbob: If you keep calling all American’s “yankees” I know some Bostonians who will be VERY upset with you.
I am starting to wonder if all the are trolls are really the same (extremely effin bored) person.
How would all the trolls find the site and know about the lameness (it’s a word!!) that has been going here all at once!!? It’s a mysteryyyyyy…..
157 Forsythia
February 25th, 2010 at 10:00 am
One too many “are”s in that last comment. I sound like a pirate.
158 jimbob
February 25th, 2010 at 10:04 am
you do realise that youve just responded?
159 tarachowski
February 25th, 2010 at 10:10 am
lol@comment156
160 Julius
February 25th, 2010 at 10:21 am
@Forsythia (157): maybe JFrater is paying some chinese people to troll on his site so he gets more traffic
161 debsfullcircle
February 25th, 2010 at 10:29 am
What happens when a religion becomes dis-organized?
162 DONdon
February 25th, 2010 at 10:38 am
@nicoleredz3 (153): hahah thnx
i am the perfect man anyhow hahahah
the muslim thing …well i was raised as a muslim but i don’t really believe in religion that much
i believe in a superior being but not religion wise
163 Lifeschool
February 25th, 2010 at 10:43 am
@Scratch (118): Yeah bro, I can see that too.
164 Lifeschool
February 25th, 2010 at 10:47 am
@Forsythia (158): I just love that comment, a bit of humor goes a long way on a list such as this.
165 Lifeschool
February 25th, 2010 at 10:52 am
Oh WOW!
Just noticed all the Emoticons since 162, looks like we’re all in the doghouse now.
Right, that’s me off for today.
166 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 10:59 am
@Cernunnos (154): HOLY FUCK!! Not once did I say anything about “Christians”. While it’s true that Catholics are Christians, not all “Christians” are Catholic. Quit spewing your emotional anger-filled puke at me. I also said, you bigotted mongrel, that because one says that they are something doesn’t make it so. Never did I say anything about anyone agreeing with me. Why assume you know where I’m coming from?
167 kmarx
February 25th, 2010 at 11:02 am
Great list. Also some fantastic comments. some hilarious (malaysian). others stoopid. still others brilliant.
EVERY religion has some loose cannons in it. Just a couple days ago we covered some crazy christians. So lets not talk about nuking an entire religion. I am a devout christian, but religion should be about love, not hate. and everyone should be entitled to their own without being persecuted.
Thanks guys!
168 kmarx
February 25th, 2010 at 11:03 am
@lifeschool (167)
Awesome. Just awesome.
169 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 11:05 am
@cubone:
every catholic is a christian, i never said all christians where catholic you moron.
hitler was a catholic, therefore a christian. you, nor anyone else have any right to claim hitler not being a caholic when he proclaimed himself as not being one. whether you agree he was a catholic or not is fucking irrelevant, seing as he believed in jesus he is at least some form of christian and you put him on your little list of bad atheists you ingorant piece of shit. he was not an atheist. he was a very religious man and some of his religious convictions where the reason for the hollocaust.
170 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 11:06 am
@Cernunnos (154):
According to a press release from Catholic League President, William A. Donohue (2/4/99): “Hitler was a neo-pagan terrorist whose conscience was not informed by Christianity, but by pseudo-scientific racist philosophies. Hitler hated the Catholic Church, made plans to kill the Pope, authorized the murder of thousands of priests and nuns, and did everything he could to suppress the influence of the Church.
171 Forsythia
February 25th, 2010 at 11:07 am
@jimbob (160):
jimbob, the language!! My goodness! There are children here!!
Mmmmmwah!!
172 TBone
February 25th, 2010 at 11:08 am
There are some pretty hot girls in my office, how can I get #1 enacted?
173 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 11:13 am
Again, retard, Being is doing, not always saying. I could tell you I believe that an alien kangaroo crapped out the earth but that does not make it so. Like so many, to claim a position can be used as a political gain.
174 Cubone
February 25th, 2010 at 11:15 am
@Cernunnos (171): By the way, Al Gore claimed that he invented the internet. Is that true?
175 noclustu
February 25th, 2010 at 11:20 am
Is it just me or do a lot of the new lists have a pro christian theme to them?
176 The Annoyed Elephant
February 25th, 2010 at 11:25 am
@noclustu (177): You mean the lists like “People that give Christianity a bad name”?
177 noclustu
February 25th, 2010 at 11:30 am
@178: yep!
178 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
@cubone:
stop your stupid comparisons. faith is not a tangible thing, all that is needed according to christian faith is belief, it is NOT a religion of works. like or not, but according to the christian faith, hitler is at a poolside in heaven, sipping vodka.
if you believe in jesus and accept him as your “saviour” you ARE A CHRISTIAN, and you are granted access to heaven regardless of your actions up until that point. get that through your thick-ass (interior) skull.
you can say you believe in “God”, but that does not make him exist. it does however mean you believe in him, which makes you belong to one of the abrahamic faiths.
hitler didnt just claim catholicism for political reasons, he was time and time again found praying by himself.
faith is a personal thing, you are the only one in a position to decide which faith you belong to, not other people who for own reasons would like to deny you believing the same as them, even when you clearly do. hitler was a catholic, you have no right to say he wasnt, anymore than you can claim that i dont like the music i do. whether someone is black or not is apparent by their skin and facial structure (with 1 exception), whether somone invented the internet or not is also tangible and can be proven or disproven. someones faith however is the same as denying someones taste and preference because they are the same as yours and you dont particularly like the person. i dont like you, therefore you dont like taco.
179 DrFrigmundPseud
February 25th, 2010 at 11:33 am
171 “… you ingorant piece of shit”.
Hahaha
Get a brain morans…
180 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 11:35 am
@debsfullcircle (163):
Are any religions organized?
181 James
February 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
I have now put a fatwa on the telecom new zealand XT mobile network.
182 More Ham, Ed?
February 25th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
All organized religions are just fetid heaps of so much bullshit.
But I gotta hand it to a religion so devoid of reality that they willingly and happily kill others for simply posting pictures of their icons.
(NSFW image)
http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-09-05/1252184999536.jpg
I find this link to be hilarious.
I await the fatwa.
183 nicoleredz3
February 25th, 2010 at 12:13 pm
@More Ham, Ed? (184):
Lol! Naughty, naughty!
184 Cernunnos
February 25th, 2010 at 12:14 pm
@DrFrigmundPseud:
in my defense though, at least i didnt write it on a piece of cardboard and stand on the roadside waving it around. not like i misspelled it either, t’was a typo.
185 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 12:25 pm
I try to be a good person and to keep my judgements of others on a personal and person to person basis. I keep my religious beliefs between myself and MY God.
I am a modern American woman, and at one time in my life I made my living by tattooing others. i.e, I have applied the “real” image of life onto the skin of others. Something that is considered haram, regardless of these ridiculously extreme fatwas of this list.
I find it a bit distressing (although I do not lose any sleep over it), that to a certain pie-slice of the world’s community, that has never met me, I am a target of hate.
And because of this, if I were to ever have the opportunity to travel the world freely, there ARE certain countries that I can never visit with a feeling of safety or welcomeness, despite my feelings of acceptance towards other’s beliefs. Despite my deep respect and admiration for their historical culture, landmarks and artworks.
I really don’t think that THAT should be the message of any God to it’s people.
186 80s
February 25th, 2010 at 12:31 pm
I can’t take anything someone calling themselves the “Grand Mufti” says seriously.
187 zoecameron
February 25th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
@63jax (7): what’s the connection between Arabs and gypsies apart from your obviously homophobic mind? There are good people and bad people in all races and religions – labeling any group bad is just wrong and offensive to all.
188 Arsnl
February 25th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
@Cernunnos (184): dude stop posting like there is no tomorrow. I can bet you a new controversial list will be posted in 2 days. Relax. Inhale exhale. Be zen or whatever.
@deeeziner (185): im sorry deeez i never liked tattooes or piercings. I dont like doing stuff with my body that would be irreversible. I dont mean to start a fight and i know- who asked me :-p . Im quite a conservative guy but i gotta ask: whats the most amazing stuff you did?
ps: hows your husband doing?:)
189 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 1:09 pm
@zoecameron (187): “what’s the connection between Arabs and gypsies apart from your obviously homophobic mind?”
What’s the connection between racism and homophobia? Obviously 63jax has a problem with races…but I didn’t see a reference to sexual orientation in his comment.
“labeling any group bad is just wrong and offensive to all.”
Wouldn’t “labeling” 63jax with the term “homophobic” be just as wrong?
190 amasimp
February 25th, 2010 at 1:13 pm
When I saw the Mickey Mouse fatwa, the first thing that came to mind was the Palestinian children’s program that glorified martyrdom. That show had large black and white mouse called Farfour that looked like an obvious ripoff of Mickey.
191 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
@deeeziner (189):
BTW– I don’t condone or reflect 63jax’s views, but I found zoecameron”s comment to be rather paradoxical.
192 Arsnl
February 25th, 2010 at 1:16 pm
@deeeziner (189): he had homophobic comments on other lists not this one.
193 Sturgious
February 25th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
@H300 (44): I agree that there are “whacky” traditions and such in every religion. But, why should the author refrain from using the mild language used in the list. Just because you are offended by the way he refers to your prophet is of no concern to him or anyone ele. It his work, his opinion, and his right to write whatever he wants. This is the problem I have with hardcore Muslims: they’re just as bad as Christians of the same variety that think their belief/religion is the best and only hope for everyone else. It’s messianism at its worst. Remeber the Dutch cartoonist who had death theats and suffered at least one assassination attempt after he published a cartoon of Mohammed in a less-than-flattering light? In the liberal democracy I live in, we’re supposed to respect other cultures and religions who hate and disrespect our own beliefs, yet we villify our own who aren’t 100 percent open-minded. Let people write whatever they want. If it offends you, stop reading it!
194 thorlite
February 25th, 2010 at 1:22 pm
Why do people think others can provide the answers to lifes questions (religious or otherwise) We are all on this planet for the same amount of time, open your eyes and make your own choices people!
non of these are any stranger than the pope banning condoms etc etc etc……..
195 Marv in DC
February 25th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
@deeeziner (189): Arsnl is right. 63jax went on a rant a couple of days ago about gays in the army and how he doesn’t trust them around him. typical mindless stuff.
196 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 1:30 pm
@Arsnl (188): No offense, I agree completely that a person should be fully aware that a tattoo is forever. Period. Any removal process leaves a scar, oftentimes more prominent and definitely less artful than the original tattoo. I never applied any artwork without a a serious counseling with my client, and oftentimes refused work for the sake of integrity.
The piece of artwork that I did that brought me the most pride was a large artwork derived from a painting of macaws by the client’s own mother. It was shoulder to elbow, applied with no black outlining, just a painting of the macaws, and came out brilliantly. Photos that were distributed in my Southern California area to other artists (by a different artist, not me) caused a fervor that left me better “educated” to the political climate of the industry.
As for the health of my husband– I was absent from the site yesterday due to his surgery. His kidney removal went fine and he should be home recuperating in a day or two.
I apologize to the author of today’s list and to the site in general for hijacking the thread for my own correspondence.
Arsnl—I will PM Jamie to allow him to forward my personal e-mail, should you request it.
197 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
@Arsnl (192): @Marv in DC (195):
Oh.
198 DoomSai
February 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
If I ever make films, video games, paintings, books, I will never mention anything Islamic. An if people ask me why I don’t acknowledge the religion at all. I’ll just tell them, hey it ain’t my fault they don’t want to be mentioned in “western” media. Then I’ll proceed to show them this list
199 timmy the dying boy
February 25th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
#3: Just leave your socks on!
200 deeeziner
February 25th, 2010 at 2:12 pm
@timmy the dying boy (199):
I was thinking about leaving your jewelry on…like a pearl necklace or something.
201 Forrest Greene
February 25th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
There’s nothing as effective at shriveling the soul as fundamentalism of any style.
202 H3000
February 25th, 2010 at 2:24 pm
@193 “But, why should the author refrain from using the mild language used in the list. Just because you are offended by the way he refers to your prophet is of no concern to him or anyone ele… Remeber the Dutch cartoonist who had death theats and suffered at least one assassination attempt after he published a cartoon of Mohammed in a less-than-flattering light?”
I like your use of euphemisms, ‘pissing Prophet’ is mild language and ‘less-than-flattering light’ is prophet dressed as terrorist. I’m from Holland so I remember that issue. The cartoonist was made out as some freedom fighting innocent artist when in fact, out of nowhere he decided to ridicule the holiest figure in Islam. I never said he had no right to express his opinion, but seeing as this site has somewhat of a reputable reputation, I didn’t think it was out of place to ask that the writer refrain from using such language. I am not enforcing my beliefs on anyone, I would never do that, but in turn I ask that my beliefs do not be ridiculed or offended, which I believe this article did.
203 63jax
February 25th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Zoecameron
Actually there is no connection between gypsies and arabs here, i just wanted to make an association between them they are pretty much the same shit, no art, no culture, no civilization, nothing…maybe i exaggerate a bit arabs have some art but nothing compared to European. And what’s the thing with homophobia, are you gay? From what i know those arabs you are PROTECTING here hate faggs, isn’t that a paradox, so why are you defending them? Maybe your life was a boring “telenovela” and you know nothing about real life and real problems and you just sit there and you talk about tolerance,racism, gay rights and stuff like this, but one nasty experience is enough to make an opinion about some people and even some nations. Every nation has its own characteristics, arabs are known to have an affinity to war, crime, fanaticism, etc, they repel any form of education and civilization. I am not racist and i know that maybe i generalized a bit too much there are a few exceptions, but 90% i am right.
204 Abû Mûsâ Al-Ḥabashî
February 25th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
10. Bin Baz never made that fatwa. He himself refuted this claim peddled by newspapers in his lifetime.
7. The clip was produced by MEMRI which automatically makes it unreliable. Sh. Salih Munajjid responded to that utter misrepresentation here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzX5obOyt_k&feature=related
205 Marv in DC
February 25th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@63jax (203): Seriously get off this site until you actually something semi intelligent to say. You are honestly making the case that Arabs have no culture, art or civilization? My lord, you are a bigger idiot than I thought. Based on your previous comments I just thought that you were a clueless mouthbreather. I was wrong. you are an out and out racist who generalizes entire groups of people based on nothing. You claim to know about “real life” and “real situations”, but the truth is you don’t know anything about “real life”.
“but one nasty experience is enough to make an opinion about some people and even some nations.”
So for you ONE single experience is enough to inform you about an entire group of “people and even some nations”? Get out of your hole in the ground and experience some real situations. Just out of curiosity, where are you from? Can I assume that everyone in your country is a stupid as you simple based on your idiotic comments? Would that be fair?
206 Arsnl
February 25th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
@deeeziner (196): so no tramp stams on drunk duds:-(. You are NO fun deeez. Look even wikipedia let the pc for a while- this is what they posted in the tramp stamp “to state that the bearer is a b*tch”. Or you could have done it like in the disney movies. You know water splashes that spell sex:))
if jf has the time to forward me that email it would be great. Id love to see a pic with that tattoo.
Ps: im happy to hear everything went ok. I wish poppa deeez a fast recovery. Operations are quite a stressfull thing. And btw is sooo much better to hear good news from a friend here than a ranting commenter. LV needs some talks that dont make you more aggitated. Liiiike what im about to say now:
@63jax (203): listen dude. If you behave like that to arabs ofcourse they will want to kick your ass. I want to kick your ass and i aint no arab. Are you a member of bnp or what?
207 thorlite
February 25th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
erm H3000…… if you are Dutch then you should know that the cartoonist was Danish. 2 different countries if your still confused.
Sure you are Dutch? Thats coming from Holland Yeah?
208 ZibbyYamala
February 25th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
#7 is pretty cool haha. nice list. never heard ANY of these, just learned something today!
209 thorlite
February 25th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
@H3000 (202): If you are Dutch then you should know that the cartoonist was Danish. 2 different countries if you’re still confused.
Sure you are Dutch? Thats coming from Holland Yeah?
210 Iakhovas
February 25th, 2010 at 5:10 pm
@Cernunnos (178):
Seriously dude, you should quit while you’re behind. You are just making yourself look like a bigger idiot with each post. Hitler was a devout Christian? Come on, what kind of alternative history books are you reading? According to the Christian faith, Hitler is most certainly not in heaven. The bible states that “faith without works is dead.” Which pretty much means, your faith is not real if you don’t follow through with righteousness in your actions, which I think we can all agree on that Hitler and the Nazi’s most certainly did not. Even Jesus said that “Many will call upon me and say Lord, Lord, but I do not know them” which means that even though people will profess that they had faith, in reality they did not and God recognizes that. It seems to me that you believe that every religious person is some kind of evil, genocidal maniac, yet all athiests that have ever lived are innocent doves just trying to build a Utopia. Get some perspective buddy.
211 VGV
February 25th, 2010 at 5:22 pm
Just an observation :
Even though there was no respect towards muslims in the comments … the muslims who responded, did so in a respectful and educated matter. So much for the stereotypes.
212 kooter
February 25th, 2010 at 5:51 pm
Are there seriously people in here defending such a religion…ALL of muslims are extremists..i’m sorry but it’s true. You have to be really naive and ignorant to believe they are just like you and me. They HATE us..not just HATE but on a much more serious faith-based level. Let all of your invalid debates and excuses roll at me.
213 VGV
February 25th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
ALL of muslims are extremists..i’m sorry but it’s true. You have to be really naive and ignorant to believe they are just like you and me. They HATE us
A fine example of steroeotypism ( is that a word btw ? )
214 VGV
February 25th, 2010 at 5:59 pm
P.S. stereotypism*
215 noclustu
February 25th, 2010 at 6:11 pm
@212 kooter: Separating billions of people into “us” and “them” is a quick path to the dark side. Haven’t you seen Star Wars?
ps: I’m not muslim but I’m definitely not like you… so where does that leave me?
216 krchuk
February 25th, 2010 at 6:12 pm
Unfortunately, as dated as all religions are … it will always have a place with humanity simply because we live in TERROR of death and chaos. If we could just accept that that’s all there is and live fruitfully and peacefully, we wouldn’t have any problems … but, alas … human ego and human opportunism
217 farshalini
February 25th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
i find this list extremely offensive
218 Kennypo65
February 25th, 2010 at 6:33 pm
All of you deists are idiots.
219 Kennypo65
February 25th, 2010 at 6:50 pm
My apologies, let me explain my last post. If you are willing to believe that an invisible being created the world out of sheer force of his will and that this being watches everything that you do and will reward/punish you after you die, then you will believe anything. Therefore you are an idiot; or at least gullible. Religion is dangerous for one reason: it is a wrong idea. All wrong ideas have, in the past, proven to be dangerous.
220 Cypher
February 25th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Fact of the matter is there are more than 1 billion muslims on earth and this figure still rises. Fortunately most of them are relatively normal and dont plan to use my nipples for target practice or use that shiny 747 as a kamikaze weapon.
You’d think common sense would at least play a bigger part in the stereotypism assuming the word even exists
221 Mickey Mouse
February 25th, 2010 at 7:06 pm
this is ridiculous and pathetic.
i think they’re out of their minds now.
222 Groogle
February 25th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
I say we bomb apple, that’ll teach em to “think differently”
223 ALJID
February 25th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
As a Moslem myself, I have to admit that in my opinion, those in the higher seats of the Islamic world have distorted the once harmless religion into something that would conform to their own agenda. The rights of women have been almost reduced to zero from the way it should have been as when the Prophet re-introduced the religion several centuries ago. I have seen and read about fatwas before and as years go by, they are becoming really disgusting and ridiculous. Sometimes my jaw dropped so low after reading these fatwas that I have to pick it up from the floor.
I’m from the Philippines by the way and yea this is the first time I’m posting a comment.
224 Voltaire
February 25th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Finally a list that is critical of Islam. I’m astonished.
There are far weirder fatwas out there but ok. Osama bin Laden for example makes one weird fatwa after another. You would think that a man who does so much harm to Islam would have gotten a billion fatwas against him.
But guess what the first and pretty much only fatwa against bin Laden was made by a Spanish muslim group after the Madrid bombings in 2005 – four years after 9-11!!!
The Fiqh Council of North America made another one a few weeks later by announcing that “terrorism against civillians” is not allowed. Now critics say this council has no influence at all but even if you follow this fatwa – you can still bomb the shit out of any American soldier…
I also think Salman Rushdie should be #1 on this list. First because it was made by Ruhollah Khomeini as you pointed out correctly. Second because it’s a direct order to murder Rushdie and everybody who is directly involved with this book. Third and this is what you don’t mention:
This fatwa was never renounced and never will be. Until this very day Salman Rushdie’s life is in acute danger. Until this very day he has to live like an outlaw. Changing his home every few days. Always protected by bodyguards. Always in fear that some brainwashed crackpot send by Iran or Hamas blows him up. They already tried once in 1999 and they promised to try it until they are “successful”. This an affair of “honor” for those loonies.
So this should be #1 or the fatwas against the Danish Muhammad cartoonists from 2005 which you totally forgot. Just recently in January 2010 a Somalian muslim tried to murder one of the cartoonists in his home with an axe. This is just really, really crazy.
225 bassbait
February 25th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
@ 219:
You claim a lot.
Here is the problem.
You said all deists are idiots. But you clarified in your 219 post something different:
You claimed that there are certain aspects in the creation that you can only hold to being believed by CERTAIN theistic religions, when, in reality, that’s a broad generalization that deists, or theists, believe exactly what you just said, although it is clarification, in which point it is only partially excusable.
The next thing you claimed is that because someone believes in A RELIGION, then they are willing to believe anything. That is very contradictory. The thing is, accepting a specific religion is the same as rejecting all other religions as not being as true, and you don’t believe in them enough to support them. That goes for atheism too. So if you believe in 1 religion, then it is very equivalent to believing atheism. This ties into the idea of being gullible, which is that you are willing to believe anything. That is why it’s wrong. If you are willing to believe in ONE religion, you are NOT willing to believe in ALL religion. So, the flaw is, joining a religion, as well as being atheist, DOES NOT MAKE YOU GULLIBLE!
Again, tying into the idea that religion and Atheism are very similar, being that believing in either one has similar qualities, I would like to refer to Communism for an example of why you are wrong. Communist Russia forced people to accept atheism and would shun/enslave/kill the opposition. As much as religion seems to be atrocious, especially by non religious people, you have to remember that religion was just a vehicle to enforce the law of what they believed. Communism believed that religion was holding them back, and so enforced the removal of it. That is the same concept. Accept what I believe, or die. Atheism and Religion are one and the same in the sense that they have no direct relation to atrocities committed. A man that is atheist could justify horrible horrible murder just as easily as a religious person. I’m not saying that you implied that religion is an atrocity, but when you say it is a wrong idea, then you must remember that atheism is not innocent either, and if it’s fair, it would be smarter to not hate either, but to disregard them as irrelevant to bad things that happen.
All wrong ideas in the past have proven to not be affected by religion. Christianity does not condone murder, and neither does atheism. It is not the religion that is the problem, it’s the interpretation of the religion. It’s perception. And since some people twist perception to follow their sadistic needs, some very bad things happen. THIS IS NOT BECAUSE OF RELIGION!
That is all I have to say.
Next time you say a comment like that, try not to use such forceful language. The language seems to imply that you believe that there is no opposition to what you say, and that there isn’t an alternative. And example is that you use language like “then you WILL believe anything”
You should say “might” for good measure. It doesn’t do any good to present opinions as fact. At least, that’s what I think, but if I left it at that, then I probably would be suffering from the same problems.
226 Forsythia
February 25th, 2010 at 8:18 pm
@kooter (212):
I don’t know who are referring to when you say “us”. I assume you aren’t referring to me because my best friend is Muslim, hijab and all…pretty sure she loves me. And I’m one of those ignorant Americans…ya know?
But your name is kooter, I can only assume you don’t WANT to be taken seriously.
Your name means vagina.
227 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 8:27 pm
These are insane no doubt, but are they any worse than saying that Katrina or 9-11 happened due to America allowing abortion or homesexuality? All religions have lunatics whether it is Muhammad Al-Munajid, Fred Phelps, or Pat Robertson, I wouldnt want to be lumped in with any of them.
228 _-DAN-_
February 25th, 2010 at 8:41 pm
The Muslim religion is so messed up.
229 alimf92
February 25th, 2010 at 8:47 pm
As a Muslim-American, I read this list of fatwas and I’m appalled by the Muslim “leaders” in the Middle East. Islam is NOT a religion that requires us to place fatwas on anything and everything. Islam has been distorted by fanatics and lunatics hungry for attention and power. I am not religious as much as I’d like to be, but I recently began reading and analyzing the Koran. It will come to a huge surprise to many non-Muslims that many of the things that these Arab terrorists and fanatics are hypocrites. THEY are the ones that will end up in hell if they continue on this path. Islam says to justify your actions and be intelligent when making justifications. Mickey Mouse is not haram, my parents are very religious and I grew up watching his cartoon. They had no problem, simply because there isn’t a problem. Please do not judge Islam, for this great religion is not represented by these false Muslims and hypocrites. I read Salman Rushdie’s novel, and honestly a fatwas should have not been placed on the author or the publishers. The novel was based on some false Islamic teachings and had some distorted facts, but it did not need a fatwa. Things that are harmful to society as whole, meaning that if something that is harmful to both non-muslims and muslims, should have a fatwa placed on it.
230 gay list
February 25th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
shitty as fuk fuk tuk tuk muslimonic fuck my bum bum up the ass LISTVERSE IS SHITTY TESTICLES…. AHA YOUR ARE ALL AIDS-TICLES
231 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 8:51 pm
Why do you people lump everyone in one group becuase of a few ignorant people?
232 Voltaire
February 25th, 2010 at 8:52 pm
@robzhere6113 (227):
“All religions have lunatics whether it is Muhammad Al-Munajid, Fred Phelps, or Pat Robertson”
Yeah sure it’s all the same. All religions got their loonies, don’t they? What a load of bullshit. Sure I know that Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps are crackpots. But are they crackpots who order their few followers to murder people??? Guess what? No! But in Islam we have people like Khomeini with millions of followers and second fatwas who directly order those followers to MURDER. No difference, eh? No difference my ass.
233 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 8:56 pm
You are telling me protesting dead soldiers funerals and doing nothing but preaching hate is not equal than “telling people to kill”. Actions speak louder than words my friend. Both are dangerous and wrong, if you knew anything about the muslim religion you would know that those individuals do not represent the whole religion. To lump millions of people into a group becuase of a minority doesnt make sense.
234 Voltaire
February 25th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
@robzhere6113 (233):
“You are telling me protesting dead soldiers funerals and doing nothing but preaching hate is not equal than ‘telling people to kill’.”
Yeah that’s what I’m telling you but you are OBVIOUSLY too fucking ignorant to understand it.
“Both are dangerous and wrong, if you knew anything about the muslim religion you would know that those individuals do not represent the whole religion. To lump millions of people into a group becuase of a minority doesnt make sense.”
Yeah a bunch of “individuals” my ass. Khomeini is the revolutionary leader of Iran. Now followed by Khameini who isn’t any better. Don’t tell me that those fucking loonies got no fucking influence. This is just fucking crazy. You are just really biased. Pull your head out of your ass and we continue talking.
235 manashiori
February 25th, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Wow…the comment section took a very sharp turn…
236 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
You obviosuly watch entirely too much Glen Beck and Billo. Those people have a lot of influence. There is no doubt. The problem is you are arguing a different point point than I am. I am not defending Khomeini or Khameini. They are wrong, obviously wrong. That however does not make the whole religion wrong. I am a christian so I will not waste any anger on you like you obviosuly feel for me. I do have some muslim friends. I know that they will not killy micky mouse or attack New York City. The fact that I know ONE muslim who is not a fanatic tells me that not all muslims are that way. That is logic and that us what I base my opinion on. I do not need to have the news tell me who are the bad guys.
237 Voltaire
February 25th, 2010 at 9:19 pm
@manashiori (235):
Yeah sorry I get a little pissed when people say that crazy talking and crazy talking with death orders are the same. The first one is really, really bad no question but at least nobody gets killed.
@robzhere6113 (236):
“That however does not make the whole religion wrong.”
I never said that you are making things up.
“You obviosuly watch entirely too much Glen Beck and Billo.”
You are making things up again. What they do is hate speech no question. But when people like you say it’s all the same it’s no wonder that people like Beck become popular.
238 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 9:23 pm
@Voltaire (234): You are wrong here, the khameinies and khomeinies have hardly any influence outside Iran.
239 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 9:26 pm
All I was saying is that people who judge millions of people on a few people are not using logic. That does not make sense. I was speaking as a muslim or any other religion who were to hear Jim Jones, Fred Phelps, whoever. If you did not know the christian religiona nd heard those people speak, what would your opinion be? If those are the only christians you know or hear anything from than you would believe they were fools as well. I am not saying you personally are ignorant but hatred comes from ignorance, whether it be race, religion, sex, it does not matter. I dont even kbow if you hate the muslim religion but if you had a best friend who happened to be muslim people may be less likely to judge a whole religion due to what they see on TV.
240 robzhere6113
February 25th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
That was not written well, but i hope you got what iw as saying.
241 ants1
February 25th, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Religion needs to be restructured in general. Take 50 religous leaders and 50 non religous 20 somethings put them in a room and let them nut it out. If the young guns tell the leaders something is going to get someone hurt or is ridiculous in this day in age they should drop it.
If the leaders insist that something may be deemed ridculous but the young guns can not find any ill intent or possibility for missuse behind it keep it.
Modernise relgion for f*ck sake.
242 damien_karras
February 25th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Where the HELL is Randall?
243 BravehisTickle
February 25th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
@damien_karras (242): Yeaah without Randall, Listverse is no fun
244 demirah
February 25th, 2010 at 11:43 pm
I`m a muslim and ts funny but no one take thier word for it
so they`re messed up especially the mickey mouse
245 JD
February 25th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Religion is the mother of idiocracy. And Islam, the Grand Mother of them all.
246 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 12:25 am
@245 JD
“Religion is the mother of idiocracy. And Islam, the Grand Mother of them all.”
Says who? The Tsar of all creatures.
247 mahala
February 26th, 2010 at 1:00 am
@63jax (7):
your remarks shows how completely uneductaed you are. pls go read some books or try watching CNN and educational programs. they might help you.
248 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 1:28 am
Marv in DC
This site is for all kind opinions, we don’t have to agree with each other everyone is posting its own personal views. What do you know about me, to judge me, maybe i have serious reasons to to be pissed on arabs. You are just an hypocrite on his best behavior. You americans are so just… My country, it doesn’t matter what is it, you don’t even know where your country is on the map and i don’t expect to know mine.
249 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 1:30 am
Mahala
My remarks show my experiences with your kind. And i have more school than you have days in your pathetic excuse of a life that you have. Mind your own business.
250 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 1:33 am
“What do you know about me, to judge me, maybe i have serious reasons to to be pissed on arabs.”
And what do you know about the Arabs to say nuking them will finally bring peace to the world? I mean that was very absurd. It’s like saying the election of Obama will bring the American economy back to life in just a few days.
251 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 1:45 am
ALJID
I see that you all hate me right now. Let me put some light on this. I am from Romania, I worked in military and I had a 2 years contract in Afghanistan and what I saw there sustain my comments and not form some stories but from my very own experience. Here in my country there are many arabs, indians,israelians, africans but they are ok they don’t care about religion and the conflict between their countries. AND YES I ADMIT I EXAGERATED WITH SOME OF MY COMMS. You can hate me if you want…i saw worse in my days.
252 999max999
February 26th, 2010 at 1:53 am
Disgusting List and disgusting writer
253 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 1:56 am
This kind of list is not good it will always start fights. Listeverse come back to mysteries, facts, curiosities and stuff like this, like in the old days.
254 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 2:02 am
I never ever said I hate you, you know. Tell when I said it? You never hurt me in anyway. I just can’t accept that the elimination of some race can alleviate world problems you know. Even if it’s an exaggeration. I’ve also experienced cruelty from people of other countries (I have worked abroad and they treated me like a pig, honestly, I endured the bloody civil wars in Mindanao but not the way they treated me there) but I never said nuking them would bring world peace you know.
255 Some Guy
February 26th, 2010 at 2:11 am
Proper Title “10 people who give Islam a bad name”.
And about that polio: I live in Pakistan and people don’t follow that fatwa here; government launches mass vaccination schemes every now and then and polio is really decreasing. Actually, I am a Muslim myself and I haven’t heard about any of these fatwas except No. 9. These fatwas are pretty much harmless because majority of people don’t really pay attention to these (except for extremists ofcourse, and that’s a problem).
256 Some Guy
February 26th, 2010 at 2:14 am
And yeah, LOL at Number 7.
257 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 2:17 am
ALJID
Sorry for generalizing that much and for your understanding i will be more calculated in the future. That nuke thing was absurd and ridiculous. I’m really not a bad man… i am just upset for all the shit that’s going on in the world right now.
258 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 2:34 am
Hehehehehe..I was hoping you would said that 63jax. I sometimes think the end of the world is long overdue because of the shit that has been happening because of people’s greed for money and power. I mean, honestly, people are gonna die anyway so what’s the point of amassing money and power that’s beyond our capacity to consume even in several lifetimes?
259 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 2:43 am
Yep, ALJID it all goes down to money and power.
260 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 2:44 am
“Hehehehehe..I was hoping you would said that 63jax.”
Should have been:
“I was hoping you would say that 63jax.”
My grammar is cracking up, sorry.
261 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 2:48 am
Mine isn’t that better either, so don’t worry.
262 Sarah
February 26th, 2010 at 3:17 am
Most of the extremist are the one who made these so called “funny fatwas” Astagfirullah!
263 H3000
February 26th, 2010 at 3:21 am
@207
@H3000 (202): If you are Dutch then you should know that the cartoonist was Danish. 2 different countries if you’re still confused.
yeah i know, I said I remember the issue, I just wasn’t in the mood to clarify.
264 Davo
February 26th, 2010 at 4:30 am
these are incredibly slightly more stupid than the old testament! effort!
265 danni
February 26th, 2010 at 4:54 am
It would be great if the heads of every religion could sit down and talk and come to an agreement that even though they dont share the same beliefs, they at least come to the agreement that tolerance and peace is the way forward for every citizen on this planet instead of trying to push their beliefs on one another.
266 Ru
February 26th, 2010 at 5:07 am
that would be nice, but then all us non believers would be in big big trouble
Oh and I was thinking about the vaccination one,it reminded me of a dutch comedian who stated that if the US diverted all those billions of dollars they spend on there defense budget to supply vaccines and the like to 3rd world countries, it would take away the main argument extremists use to bash western society (as in, we are evil bastards who only care about ourselves). Which would eventually achieve your goal of getting rid of extremist groups or atleast there massive support.
Now I know its wishfull thinking but wouldn’t earth be great if we managed to make that principal work?
or in other words:
“wouldn’t it be great if our schools had all the money they need, and the Army had to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber?”
267 ALJID
February 26th, 2010 at 5:26 am
@266 Ru
“Wouldn’t it be great if our schools had all the money they need, and the Army had to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber?”
That may be a long shot but it’s not really impossible.
268 smefertility
February 26th, 2010 at 7:38 am
good !
269 ringtailroxy
February 26th, 2010 at 7:41 am
@King Agag (23): agreed! i have come to the point in my atheism that i am actually entertained by all the convoluted beliefs that individuals practicing a religion have…it becomes more clear to me now that religion is more a soapbox for the desires of a few to preach upon others in the name of their God.
270 danni
February 26th, 2010 at 7:47 am
dont remove this list, we didnt piss and moan about the topt en people who gae christianity a bad name, the author isnt bad mouthing islam, hes not even bad mouthing the idiots who came up with these fatwas, hes just writing fact. lol i dont understand why some muslims are saying they are offended by this list, OH MY ALLAH!
271 8-)
February 26th, 2010 at 8:09 am
these are the crazies/nut jobs who make Islam look bad.
ALLL of these fatwas are against what the Quran and Sunnah (the way of Prophet Muhammad) says.
272 tripsyman
February 26th, 2010 at 8:24 am
@deeeziner (189):
Read some of his/her previous comments and you will see where zoecameron is coming from
273 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 8:36 am
@63jax (248): “You are just an hypocrite on his best behavior. You americans are so just… My country, it doesn’t matter what is it, you don’t even know where your country is on the map and i don’t expect to know mine.”
Care to elaborate on this comment a little more. You state that you have experience in the world and that I can’t find my own country on the map. Which country would that be? The United States? I’m a citizen I know where it is on a map. I also know where Romania is. Or are you talking about the countries that I lived in growing up. Countries like Egypt, Norway, Singapore or Germany. Are you still going make idiotic and baseless claims against me. Several lists ago you accused the US of starting every single war in the last century. I pointed out that the US did not start WW1 or WW2. Your response was “oh I forgot about those two.” Clearly the many DAYS that you spent getting an education was a waste of time. Trust me I have lived in the world and had many many experiences which form my opinions. But you are right on one thing, you are allowed to have any opinion that you want and you are allowed to post it on this site. I also have that right and will continue use it when I see idiotic and uneducated opinions like yours. If I think you are factually wrong (which you have been) I’m going to point it out.
274 Anti Hate Speech Moderator
February 26th, 2010 at 8:54 am
This is anti muslim hate speech and will be reported to the UN council on human rights.
275 Lifeschool
February 26th, 2010 at 9:02 am
@Ru (266): Yeah, it would be great if we all realise we’re all in this together, as a 21st century human race, and were able to work things out. I agree that there are always a few radicals in every form of life. Of course not all Irish catholics condone the IRA, not all Americans advocate the KKK, and not all muslims advocate jihad – in fact they will always be (by nature) a very low percentage minority. Some groups on this broad spectrum take direct action on the form of words, some with politics, some with peace, some with upheaval, some with violence; and the global media is always keen to focus on the violent slice of the pie and to call it ‘The News!’. The Media sells faster that way, and of course the money is their prime motivation. That’s why we never see rooms of people in prayer, or in meditation for the sake of the people, (which incidentally form a larger slice of the pie than those on the extreme) and why many are duped into believing that many, most, or all the people are like this.
Take Haiti for example. The vast majority of folks over there are peacefully going about their lives, helping one another, feeding one another, holding it together with dignity. However, thanks to several media reports of violence (some genuine, some manipulated), the general population has been labelled and tarnished with the same sweeping brush; until onlookers don’t know what to believe anymore. This direct and unrelenting media propaganda is also the excuse they use to ‘fight terror’, when in actuallity it is those very same people who are the terror mongers [sellers]. In essence it seems we are in the riduculous situation of witnessing those reportedly against terror actively sending troops over to CAUSE terror – more terror than those select extremists ever caused – in the name of ‘peace’.
And does it really work, after all, to be in the violent sector? Not really. Those who wish to curb these peoples often choose to fight fire with fire – spreading and fuelling the fire indefinitely. The IRA eventually realised the stalemate and chose to air politically with Sinn Féin; which successfully topped the poll in the most recent election in Northern Ireland – and resulted in the first actual ‘peace’ for over 50 years. Similarly, the ANC did little to change the course of history until Nelson Mandella used liquid politics to cleanse apartheid. The SCLC operated under violence with little or no gain until Martin Luther King solidified their common ground with marches, talks and public meetings with a plea for racial integration; which eventually secured the progress of civil rights in the United States.
We have come a long way since those days… borders have come down, walls have fallen, countries have been given their lands back after years of suppression. Perhaps this is the best time to talk.
[N.B. before increasing military and media initiatives make monkeys of us all.]
276 Forsythia
February 26th, 2010 at 9:24 am
@Lifeschool (276):
277 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 9:55 am
Marv in DC
I doubt that you even went out of your country or even your town for what matters. And yes you are an hypocrite, you talk about tolerance and love here where everybody is watching but inside you are full of hate like most of the people. And please don’t use bad words like uneducated, idiot and shit like this cuz’ till now i never insulted you. Don’t you ever think that you are that smart because you are not smarter than i am, i just don’t find the right words in english to express myself with the right arguments. How many languages do you speak except english?
278 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 9:58 am
@63jax (278): German and a smattering of Dutch.
279 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 10:05 am
Marv in DC
This has gone too far, i am not a bad man and i don’t want anybody to hate me for some stupid comments which anyway are of no importance.
280 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:10 am
@63jax (280): That’s fine with me. Just don’t go around insulting Arabs, Gypsies, Europeans, Americans, Gays and anyone else with no basis (including me).
281 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:14 am
i apologise for everything ive said in this comment section it has all been bullshit, im just a little bit upset about the way my life turned out, i am on welfare and have never held down a propper job, im still a virgin, i have no friends n i still piss myself when i go to bed, so you can probably understand why i resent the world, again im sorry
PS i find pigs sexualy attractive
282 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:18 am
@Marv in DC (282): (or should I say 63jax) Very clever.
283 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 10:19 am
Marv in DC
Reasons and basis can always be found. The world isn’t perfect and it will always be defenders and offenders, the only smart way for someone is to give up first. You cannot tell people who to love or who to hate, if i hate gay and gypsies is my problem but i love USA (i have relatives there and i was there)and Europe. Stop living in a utopia.
284 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:21 am
i think i just pissed myself.
285 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:21 am
@63jax (284): I’m not. And if you think living in the States is a Utopia, you don’t know what you’re talking about.
286 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:23 am
im sorry jax i cant stop being a prick
287 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 10:24 am
You are being childish now….
288 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:26 am
i cant help it
289 oouchan
February 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am
@(the real)Marv in DC (286): I reported our imposter.
@63jax (288): It’s not Marv.
290 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:27 am
im just annoyed that i cant satisfy a woman ( only a pig) with my half inch dick
291 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:28 am
@63jax (288): I hope you realize that comments 282, 285, 287 and 289 are not my posts. Someone hijacked my screen name.
292 Marv in DC
February 26th, 2010 at 10:29 am
@oouchan (290): Thanks oouchan, I appreciate it.
293 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 10:31 am
I don’t care who he really is, he said those things about him not me, if he likes auto-irony it’s his choice.
294 63jax
February 26th, 2010 at 10:32 am
That man is nuts…even more than me
295 Great Briton
February 26th, 2010 at 12:45 pm
*cue some muslim ‘ucktard declaring a jihad on this website for mocking their fatwa’s*
296 VPayne
February 26th, 2010 at 1:05 pm
ahhhh the muslims….
297 akhter
February 26th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Who Wrote the Holy Quran?
Quran, in Arabic, could only have been written by ONE of 3 possible sources:
1. the Arabs
2. Mohammad (peace be upon him)
3. God (Allah)
(NOTE: The first part is not meant to be a rigorous proof. It is something to ponder upon. However, the second part, about Mohammad [pbuh] wrote it’ contains more extensive proof.)
Besides the above mentioned sources, Quran couldn’t possibly have been written by ANYONE else.
No other source is possible, because Quran is written in pure, rich, and poetic Arabic, which was not known to anyone other than the above mentioned sources, at that time. The Arabic language was at its peak in expression, richness, vocabulary, artistic, and poetic value during the time the Quran was being revealed. Anyone speaking the classical Arabic ( the Arabic of Quran at the time it was revealed) would argue that a non-Arab entity couldn’t possibly have written such an extensive and brilliant piece of literature in the Arabic language. Quran could only have been written by an Arabic speaking entity. An entity, who’s knowledge, style, vocabulary, grammar, and way of expression was so powerful that it impacted the entire Arabian peninsula, the east, the west, and continues to impact people all over the globe today!
At no other time, in the history of Arabic language, had it ever achieved its peak in expression, literature, and development, than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. At no other time in the history of Arabic language had the language ever achieved its highest potential than the time of Arabia during the 6th Century, the time when Quran was being revealed. The language reached its peak in richness, artistic value, and poetry, during that time. With the Arabic language at its peak, and the best of Arabic writers, poets present in Arabia, it is impossible that a non-Arabic speaking entity would write a book like Quran and have such a dynamite impact on the Arabs!
So only an Arabic speaking entity could have write Quran. With that in mind, we’re left with three choies:
1 – the Arabs wrote it
2 – Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it
3 – Allah (swt) wrote it
Lets examine the three choces one by one.
(1) Arabs Wrote it?
What Quran teaches goes DIRECTLY against the pagan Arab culture, religion, and gods, that existed before the Quran was revealed. Quran condemns idol worshipping, but the Arabs, loved their idol gods, and worshipped them regularly. Quran raised the status of women; the Arabs treated women next to animals. The Arabs would never write something that goes against their most important belief of idol worshipping. Quran goes against most of the social habbits (such as backbiting, slandering, name calling, etc) which the Arabs were heavily indulged into. For example, the Arabs would call insulting nicknames such as Abu Jahal (the father of ignorance). Quran condemns and prohibits taking interest on money, whereas, the Arabs freely levied heavy interest rates in loans and businesses. Quran condemns and prohibits Alcohol drinking, whereas, the Arabs consumed alcohol freely. The Quran condemns and prohibits gambling, whereas, the Arabs were some of the worst gamblers. The Arabs would never write something so comprehensively against just about all of their customs and culture and religious beliefs, as the Quran is.
During the time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh), the Arabs would indulge in all the social habbits that the Quran condemns and prohibits. How can Arabs then write something that would negate their entire society’s norms and ideologies?
Did a group of Arabs or an individual Arab write Quran? Perhaps a rebel Arab beduoin, or a society’s misfit, or someone with different ideals and norms decided one day to write Quran? The answer to those questions are also ‘no’. Because, if we read Quran, we notice that there is no author! No individual has his/her name written on the cover of Quran! Anytime an individual writes a book, he/she writes his/her name on the cover. The author’s name always appears on his/her book, and there is always an author who is credited for writing that book. No one in the history of the world has EVER claimed to have written the Quran, nor anyone’s name ever appeared in front of the Quran as bein the ‘author’. This is the only book in the world without an author. No one in the world has ever been accused of writing the Holy Quran, except the Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him), by non-muslims.
Quran has no author, and no group or individual in Arabia ever claimed to have written it, nor any group or an indvidual recited, taught, and explained Quran except the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and his followers. The Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) was the only Arabian who first practiced, explained, and preached Quran, and ended up making a lot of Arab tribes enemies. Any historian, Muslim or non-Muslim would argue that the only possible source of Quran can be the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh), the man responsible to recite it, teach it, and expalin it to the people of Arabia. In fact, many historians today still think that only Mohammad (pbuh) could possibly have written it.
This leads one to conclude that the Prophet (pbuh) must have written it!
(2) Mohammad (pbuh) wrote it?
First, he was illiterate !! How can an illiterate person come up with such a rich, poetic, intellectual, and inspiring text that it rocked the entire Arabia?
Mohammad (pbuh) never went to school! No one taught him. He had no teacher of any kind in any subjects. How can he have the knowledge of all the science, astronomy, oceanography, etc that is contained in the Quran? (For example, the mention of ocean currents, stars, earth, moon, sun and their fixed paths in Soorah Rahman; and many other scientific statements that are found in Quran, that I cannot state in this short article)
When Quran was revealed, the Arabic language was at its peak in richness, poetic value, literature, etc. Quran came and challenged the best literature in Arabic, the best poetry in Arabic of the time. Mohammad (pbuh) being illiterate couldnt possibly have come up with something so immaculate that it even exceded the best of poetry, and literature in Arabic at the time of the language’s PEAK development. Arabic language had never been so rich in expression, poetic value, vocabulary, and variety in literature, as it was in the time of Quran. At a time like this, Quran came and exceeded the best of Arabic in all aspects of the language: poetry, literature, expression, etc. Any classical Arabic speaker would appreciate the unbeatten, unchallenged, and unmatched beauty of the language of Quran.
An illiterate man is simply not capable of writing such a book.
Mohammad (pbuh) had no reason to come up with something like Quran, and cause the entire society of Arabia to become his enemy. Why would he do something like that? Why would he write something going against almost all of the norms of the society, and lose his family, relatives, friends, and other loved ones, and not to mention all the wealth he lost
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran, for over 23 years?
Also, what the prophet Mohammad (saaw) used to say is recorded in what we call his hadeeth (sunnah). If we look at the Arabic style of the hadeeth, and compare it with the style of Quran, we can clearly see that they are clearly DIFFERENT, and DISTINGUISHABLE Arabic styles. The prophet (saaw) spoke in public. It does not make sense that a man has two UNIQUE, Distinguishable, and completely different styles of speech in public. Yet another reason why Mohammad (saaw) couldn’t possibly have written Quran.
Quran was revealed over a period of 23 years ! A very long time! Is it possible for someone to maintain the same exact style of Arabic speech , as demonstrated in Quran over 23 years?
Here’s what our famous Muslim Scholar, Ahmad Deedat said:
WAS QURAN WRITTEN OR INSPIRED?
“Behold! The angels said: “O Mary! God has chosen you and purified you – Chosen you above the women of all nations.” Qur’an-3:42
THE SOURCE OF HIS MESSAGE
“Chosen you above the women of all nations.” Such an honour is not to be found given to Mary even in the Christian Bible!
Knowing full-well, and believing as we do, that the whole Quran is the veritable Word of God, we will nevertheless agree, for the sake of argument, with the enemies of Muhammed (pbuh) for a moment, that he wrote it. We can now expect some cooperation from the unbeliever.
Ask him, “Have you any qualms in agreeing that Muhammed (pbuh) was an Arab?” Only an opinionated fool will hesitate to agree. In that case there is no sense in pursuing any discussion. Cut short the talk. Close the book!
With the man of reason, we proceed. “That this Arab, in the first instance, was addressing other Arabs. He was not talking to Indian Muslims, Chinese Muslims, or Nigerian Muslims. He was addressing his own people – the Arabs. Whether they agreed with him or not, he told them in the most sublime form – words that were seared into the hearts and minds of his listeners that Mary the mother of Jesus -A JEWESS- was chosen above the women of all nations. Not his own mother, nor his wife nor his daughter, nor any other Arab woman, but a Jewess! Can one explain this? Because to everyone his own mother or wife, or daughter would come before other women.
Why would the Prophet of Islam honour a woman from his opposition! and a Jewess at that! belonging to a race which had been looking down upon his people for three thousand years? Just as they still look down upon their Arab brethren today.
SARAH AND HAGAR
The Jews get their cock-eyed racism from their Holy Bible, where they are told their father, Abraham, had two wives -Sarah and Hagar. They say that they are the children of Abraham through Sarah, his legitimate wife; that their Arab brethren have descended through Hagar, a “bondwoman”, and that as such, the Arabs are inferior breed.
Will anyone please explain the anomaly as to why Muhammed (pbuh) (if he is the author) chose this Jewess for such honour? The answer is simple – HE HAD NO CHOICE – he had no right to speak of his own desire. “IT IS NO LESS THAN AN INSPIRATION SENT DOWN TO HIM.” (Qur’an, 53:4).
SURA MARYAM
There is a Chapter in the Holy Quran, named Sura Maryam “Chapter Mary” (XIX) named in honour of Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ (pbuh); again, such an honour is not to be found given to Mary in the Christian Bible. Out of the 66 books of the Protestants and 73 of the Roman Catholics, not one is named after Mary or her son. You will find books named after Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Peter, Paul and two score more obscure names, but not a single one is that of Jesus or Mary!
If Muhammed (pbuh) was the author of the Holy Quran, then he would not have failed to include in it with MARYAM, the mother of Jesus, his own mother – AMINA, his dear wife – KHADIJA, or his beloved daughter – FATIMA. But No! No! this can never be. The Quran is not his handiwork!
Another Muslim writes:
From: Abu Abdullah;
Subject: Re: Mohammad Wrote the Quran? [KORAN]
Date: Sat, 05 Aug 95 12:44:14 EDT
I was reading about the charge that the prophet, Mohammed (pbuh), has written the Quran himself. Before you go any further in reading this post, please ask yourself whether you are a honest truth seeker or just another argumentative person, if the former, continue, otherwise, save your time and jump to the next post.
Islam is based on faith that is supported by a number of strong miracles such as knowing what events to take place ahead of time or coming up with supernatural deeds in front of people. The holy Quran has these signs and much more. First, The holy Quran predicted many events to take place ahead of the time of the revelation of that verse; for example, predicting the destruction of Persian empire at a time where the later had a monumental victory over Rome. If the prophet, as some people claim, has written the Quran, then he would have put his future in real jeopardy (50% chance) since neither satellite photos nor on-ground intelligence personnel were available to him at the revelation time. Further, numerous details about many natural phenomena were detailed in the Quran and, until recently, they were proven by experts to be amazingly accurate. For example of the physical development of the fetus inside the womb along with timing given by many verses matches exactly what leading authorities in Embryology are claiming to be recent discoveries. Moreover, verses that gives descriptions about the creation of the universe and the function of mountains in balancing earth and many other descriptions/explanations are available to be read and to be understood. If the prophet was the author, wouldn’t he be prone to make weak inferences similar to those who claim that earth is square and whoever says otherwise should be killed?
The prophet also has demonstrated many supernatural miracles not by his own power, but by the power of the creator. He went to Jerasalem back in one night and gave a detailed description of the carnival that was traveling on that route and also specific accedint happend to them at that noght (in those days, it takes a month or so for a round-trip). In another ocasion, he provided water for an entire army from a small plate between his hands. There are many other miracles that require serious truth seeker to read about and to think about it.
From the above, it reasonable to conclude that the Quran is not the PROPHET CREATION. HE HAD NO WAY TO PREDICT ALL THESE EVENTS AND TO BE RIGHT ALL THE TIME, ESPECIALLY WHEN KNOWING THAT THE PROPHET HIMSELFE WAS ILLITERATE!
Embryology and Life Sciences in Quran
“The Developing Human. Clinically Oriented Embryology”
Keith L. Moore
5th Edition, Philadelphia, W.B. Saunders Co. (1982)
ISBN 07216 4662-X $33.95
The work by Prof. Keith Moore is probably the most detailed study of the subject. Prof. Keith Moore is Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy, University of Toronto.
His books on anatomy and on embryology are used at many medical school as standard instruction books. The Yale Medical school uses both his books. The Yale Bookstore phone number for Medical books is: (203) 772-2081. Their general information number is (203) 432-4771. (New Haven, Connecticut)
He is *the* authority on embryology. I strongly recommend the latest edition of the latter book as it mentions how accurately the Qur’an describes embryo development.
Prof. Moore has said: “It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammed from God or Allah because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Mohammed must have been a messenger of God or Allah.”
Prof. Marshal Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia
He says: “The Qur’an describes not only the development of external form but emphasizes also the internal stages — the stages inside the embryo of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science…. If I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I know today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described. I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Mohammed had to be developing this information from some place, so I see nothing in conflict with the concept that Divine Intervention was involved…”
To receive a copy of the article that Moore wrote about ‘Highlights of Human Embryology in the Koran and Hadith’ please e-mail Adam at adam3@netcom.com
That leaves us to our third option: God wrote it!
May Allah Guide Us All to Straight Path. Ameen.
QURAN: Chapter 4, Verse 82: “Do they not consider (ponder) on the Quran? If it had been from anyone except Allah, they would surely have found in it much discrepency (contradictions).”
Still unsure or doubtful? Quran is the word of Allah. Allah challenges to His creations:
Chapter 2, Verses 23 & 24: “And if you are in doubt as to what We have revealed to our servant, Then produce a Chapter like thereunto; And call your witnesses or helpers besides Allah, If you are true. But if you cannot, and surely you cannot, Then fear the fire Whose fuel is men and stones, Which is prepared for those who reject.”
Try reading and understanding the meaning with explanation of the following verses also! Chapter 10, verse 38 Chapter 11, verse 13 Chapter 17 verse 88
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298 Zeus
February 26th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
I think Muslims need to understand the first contact most westerners had with their religion was when terrorists in the name of Islam attacked innocent people under the guise of allah. Respect is a two way street and it appears Muslims expect us to respect their right to freedom of religion while they disrespect westerners right to freedom of choice.
299 Matt R
February 26th, 2010 at 3:52 pm
How sad. People never cease to amaze me at how stupid they can be. So many people have died fighting over who has the better imaginary friend that I want to scream. Then you get these idiots getting other idiots to kill people because of something they don’t like. I am not anti anything as long as it doesn’t harm others. Right now people are so lost and overwhelmed in their lives that they want someone to tell them what is right and wrong, even if it is absolutely ridiculous. We have had crazy fanatics throughout our history and probably always will. Right now we have crazy Muslims, Jews, and Christians believing and acting in ways that are a vile insult to the original beliefs of their founders. When will we ever learn.
300 patriotic muslim
February 26th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
some fatwas can seem rediculous but these are way out there,there are extremists in every religion somehow only the muslims seem to get attacked.
301 fajita
February 26th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
@haj pedo ibn perveted (74): dumb butt, it’s a joke. people are being sarcastic.
302 Pluto
February 26th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
I testify, MICKEY IS EVIL.
303 7raul7
February 26th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
@akhter (297): Superb explanation
304 Pagan
February 27th, 2010 at 12:03 am
All religion is worthless, especially islam. The best day for all human existance is when all religion are banished. so called gad is ashamed
305 archangel
February 27th, 2010 at 2:40 am
Jesus… this is just stupid. If you’re gonna declare a fatwah, do it right. xD
306 Huston88
February 27th, 2010 at 5:14 am
Speaking as an American, I beg everyone who reads the comments not to assume that we share opinions with 63jax (I can only assume that he’s American and a dude). Man, you’re one of the reasons the rest of the world looks down on us. You’re dumber than a sack of dicks, brother. May I mention that Jim Jones was American? L. Ron Hubbard? Fred Phelps, leader of the church that puts out the message, “God hates fags” and “Thank God for dead soldiers”? You’re a waste of life.
307 zeezaw
February 27th, 2010 at 5:35 am
No 1 sounds ok so long as equal rights prevail.
308 A_Hurt_Muslim
February 27th, 2010 at 5:48 am
Hello every1…Im sobeyah Shah and I am a muslim and whatever is written above is extremely sad because no muslim follows whatever is written above,..Im a huge fan of Listverse but trust me I am so disspointed 2day, in fact I m hurt as how u guyz commented on our religion before even bothering to know how Islam is and What muslims are and how they live!…just lyk d media propoganda around d world, wid little knowledge of D religion ISLAM u guyz just go on saying whatever u lyk…thts sick n racism…we dont abuse u n ur religions, every1 has d right to live their lives their way, v dont comment on any religion, they how cum u guyz call urself civilised and modern when this is how u act…I m sorry i hv no had feelings for any1, i belong from a realigion called ISLAM, which means PEACE…but it is heartwrecking tht ppl arnd d globe expose the thing about ISLAM which arnt d part of ISLAM lyk the list above and terrorism…Guyz my only request 2 u ppl is, kindly kindly before commenting on any religion try 2 get full fledge information abt that religion before doing so otherwise u would be hurting that nation lyk Xilebat alreadt did!…we will b very grateful..n once again the above mentioned bullshit is not at all d part ov our beautiful religion…Peace!
309 A_Hurt_Muslim
February 27th, 2010 at 5:51 am
Hello every1…Im sobeyah Shah and I am a muslim and whatever is written above is extremely sad because no muslim follows whatever is written above,..Im a huge fan of Listverse but trust me I am so disspointed 2day, in fact I m hurt as how u guyz commented on our religion before even bothering to know how Islam is and What muslims are and how they live!…just lyk d media propoganda around d world, wid little knowledge of D religion ISLAM u guyz just go on saying whatever u lyk…thts sick n racist…we dont abuse u n ur religions, every1 has d right to live their lives their way, v dont comment on any religion, then how cum u guyz call urself civilised and modern when this is how u act…I m sorry i hv no hard feelings for any1, i belong from a religion called ISLAM, which means PEACE…but it is heartwrecking tht ppl arnd d globe expose those things about ISLAM which arnt d part of ISLAM lyk the list above and terrorism…Guyz my only request 2 u ppl is, kindly kindly before commenting on any religion try 2 get full fledge information abt that religion before doing so otherwise u would be hurting that nation lyk Xilebat already did!…we will b very grateful..n once again the above mentioned bullshit is not at all d part ov our beautiful religion…Peace!
310 A_Hurt_Muslim
February 27th, 2010 at 6:02 am
It will be a favor if u will kindly remove this idiotic list as it contains complete bullshit n its hurting d feeling ov muslims…
And muslims arent terrorists..ppl who kill innocents , we dont call them muslims even if thts what they claim bcoz KILLING OF INNOCENTS PPL IS FOBIDDEN IN ISLAM!!!! so those terrorists pose as muslims to degrad them, n u guyz trust thm.. n global media exploits muslims … whereever their is terror activity MUslims are blamed even before any investigation…Is a complete propoganda… by the so called PEACE MAKERS started by d biggest ‘PEACE MAKER” g.W.Bush…d biggest moron ever!…Wake Up guyz..use ur brains … get detailed info abt ISLAM- the fastest growing religion in d world and then gve ur comments… Its lyk ppl describing d lifestyle of aliens on saturn sitting here on earth not even sure whtr aliens exsists or not…
It was Quran n Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) who gave d knowledge about astronomy,science, medicine etc wen d world was in complete darkness, n that knowledge is proven to b true now with d help of scientific procedures n tools which was given 1400 yrs ago wen there was no literacy or science in d world!!! think!!! learn abt d true ISLAM not d one ur western media displays…peace!
311 63jax
February 27th, 2010 at 6:53 am
Huston88
Being smart or being dumb(like you) has nothing to do with hate. You can very well be a genius criminal. Once again I DON’T HATE MUSLIMS and my previous comms were based on my particular experience which i admit is very subjective. I just want to make peace with everyone. This site is meant for culture and not hate and racism.
P.S.: I am not american and i am sorry if i offended innocent people.
312 Jeri
February 27th, 2010 at 7:17 am
Interesting! I’m Indian, and I have been living in the ‘most Muslim’ state in India for 5 years and though a Christian myself, many of my closest friends are staunch Muslims. And this is is the first time I’ve heard of the Polio Fatwa..
313 Jeri
February 27th, 2010 at 7:23 am
..Or even the fact that Polio is increasing! I’m a little scared now
314 63jax
February 27th, 2010 at 7:27 am
A_Hurt_Muslim
I am really sorry for hurting you. In 2 years that i spent in Kabul i saw things that not many people are meant to see. I am just sad for another two of romanians dead soldiers that died 3 days ago in Kabul and they just arrived home in pieces and empty coffins but not even this gave me the right to put you all on the same brush. Sorry again i will be more careful in the future.
315 aadit
February 27th, 2010 at 9:27 am
@A_Hurt_Muslim
Relax man… the list’s title clearly says bizzare fatwas, it has nothing against muslims in general, and you have to admit, most of them(the ones on the list) are ridiculous.
And as for the comments, some of them don’t deserve a reply, they don’t deserve your time or attention. Don’t get hurt by them, seriously, they aren’t worth it.
316 “ODHI”
February 27th, 2010 at 11:13 am
@NO:68 Actually I’ve never thought of that…
@xilebat…AWESOME LIST !
317 Sam…
February 27th, 2010 at 11:31 am
Guys, you need to be smarter than this ..
Most of these are lies and not true and never been said by Muslims ..
Islam is perfect and if anything seems wrong then its because of humans themselves .
318 TheAshok
February 27th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
#1 is a great fatwa! I wish it gets implemented in my office.
319 loony moon
February 27th, 2010 at 7:52 pm
@ a_hurt_muslim
1. This is not a list about Islam. So if you are feeling insecure and defensive about it, that is not a problem with the list.
2. The world was not in complete darkness 1400 years ago. There was plenty of science, engineering and literature around. So check your references.
3. I have been hearing this “Islam forbids killing of innocents” so much that I get sick each time. Was there a fatwa against the terrorists who blew up the WTC’s – 9/11 ? Or the ones that attacked Mumbai – 11/26 ? May be the Mullahs should start fatwa’ing against them.
I have a suggestion, all the muslim terroists who get caught should be forcibly removed from Islam before execution. Will 72 virgins still wait for them ?
320 loony moon
February 27th, 2010 at 8:17 pm
I clarify on my terrorist rant = I believe in due judicial process and that a person should get a fair trial and things of that nature.
But if a terrorist act is committed in the name of a particular religion, and the religion prohibits it (killing of innocents being the case there), then a part of the punishment if found guilty should be a well advertised removal from that religion.
321 Sun
February 28th, 2010 at 1:22 am
LMAO fatwa on sun and moon
322 ozhan
February 28th, 2010 at 1:26 am
@loony moon (319):
“…With no centralized Islamic religious authority like a Pope or Dalai Lama…”
Those fatwa givers are trying to turn Islam into organized religion but fails. As you can see Islam isnt an organized religion. No person can enter between a human and the God. Today, every big or little community chooses its own religious consultant.
As a person raised with islam culture, i find it really funny how Pope can kick someone out of Christianty as you cannot understand why imams dont kick terorist out of Islam.
323 A Proud Muslim
February 28th, 2010 at 7:33 am
@loony moon…ok so u speak ov islam and that all terrorists are muslims…honey it was not muslim nation who threw heroshima bomb affecting lives still so many yrz after that incident!! what about that??? ppl who were involved in 9/11, we dont consider them muslims n hate them as much as u do… thts another propoganda to put a dirty spot on muslim nation!..
then it was muslims who started WW1 OR WW2????? wht about that!!!!!
It was muslims who were racists towards the black nation and some of them still r???? what abt tht honey…n mumbai attacks there is no proof that muslims were involved in it, there were so many teerorist activities in Pakistan since its creating and many of them were proven to be by the indian extrimist gang RAW but Pakistan still never bluntly pointed out indians as terrorists as indians did abt muslims without much prove…
1400 yrz a go wen u ppl used 2 think world was flat n u wud fall off, it was muslims who taught u tht world is round.. CHECK UR REFERENCES HONEY…zero was given 2 u by muslims, astronomy was taught 2 u by muslims n all this was learned by Quran by muslims, Ibne Sina, and all those great muslims scienists, get 2 know thm, who enlightened this world we all west knew was to fuck, make slaves, fight thts all…so check ur references n learn some history…there are so many inventions that were product ov muslims n westrenz learnt them n declared them as their own…
Who were those who ruled over subcontinent and treated the locals as their slaves, u westrens…u guyz hv no right 2 point out at terrorists as no other nation is not bigger terrorist then u guyz who terrorised the world physically n emotionally.!!!
so check ur reference n learn some histroy before spreading hatred.
peace!
324 A Proud Muslim
February 28th, 2010 at 7:47 am
@63jax…oh so u saw all those bad things happening 2 westrens in kabul…did u bother 2 see what ur nice westrens did 2 ppl of kabul..ok they are little morerigid in their believes then is it required but tht does means thts how muslims r arnd d globe, u saw tht 2 soliders died did u bother 2 c hw kabul ppl r treated by westren soliders??? did u know abt the tortures of affia siddiqui?? kidnapped in 2003 n left 2 rotten till a journalist found her, she was kidnapped along wid here 3 small kids, wen found out abt her she was send 2 usa jail, 1 kid returned 2 d family and 2 r still missing!!!! wht abt that?///
a girl who lived throughout her life in usa, got 144 degrees n certificates from harvard university…is being tortured in usa jail, left 2 rotten in male cell…wht abt tht!!!! arent muslims made of flesh n blood…think …
n u spend time in kabul n judge tht all muslims r this way…FOR GODS SAKE…why didnt u bother 2 go to UAE, QATAR , BAHRIAN, PAKISTAN, BANGLADASH, BRUNEI DARRUL SALAM, all those fantastic countries which r muslims, even India has huge munber of muslims…ask them, see their lives n then judge who muslims really are.
2006-2007 they guy who topped in d world in O levels wid 23 subjects with 23 A, was a muslim n Pakistan,
All the huge stars in Indian films Shahrukh Khan, Salman KhAN ETC ARE MUSLIMS… some of them have hindu wives , some christains….thts hw muslims are, normal humans, with normal views, stepping along with others through the time n eras…really u must know the really muslims before u do n say such stuff…
Peace
325 Arianna A.
February 28th, 2010 at 8:42 am
Oh, I don’t know whether I should laugh or cry at this stupidity! I can’t believe any of these guys could even issue one of these fatwas and still call himself sane.
326 S13558
February 28th, 2010 at 9:10 am
You never cease to come up with interesting and unique lists. Well done.
327 aishah
February 28th, 2010 at 10:34 am
dear jr frater
i’m a muslim, just wanna inform u that please study of islamic fatwa very deeply
your article above is somewhere very sensitive.
pls find your ultimate islamic resources near your place.
not all above is about stupidity.
328 loony moon
February 28th, 2010 at 12:32 pm
@Proud_Muslim(322):
Did I say I hate Muslims or I dislike Islam?
If you assume I am calling America a harmless holy nation, then you are under the same assumption created by Islamic media, just like a_hurt_muslim (308). Ergo, you need to take what Islamic media hurls at you with a giant rock of salt.
About zero, zero was used by a host of ancient civilizations – Mayans, Greeks, Indians, Chinese. Wherever, there was commerce in the ancient world, a null value had to emerge. If you cannot balance your account book (or stone tablet), there is no point going into business.
About the 9/11 hijackers, So you are telling me you dont consider them Muslims, how is that possible ? According to ozhan (321), even an Imam cannot throw someone out of Islam. Then how can you say either ways? All the 19 of them were from the middle east, all are born in Islamic families, If this done not make them Muslim, I dont know what will.
Are you telling me all the 100 odd bomb explosions and terrorist acts in Pakistan since Ms. Bhutto was assassinated is not the handiwork of Islamic terrorists? Now are you going to say Taliban is not Islamic. Till where are you going to deny ?
Point I am trying to make is, dont assume. You assumed I am a woman from my name – loony moon, and you called me honey, thats sweet. I have to call my Mom to hear that. So thank you honey.
329 ozhan
February 28th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Yup, those suicide bombers from middle east do identify themself with Islam and they are result of the conflict between USA and Middle east politicians. You and I can discuss all night if they were good for islam/world or not but in the end god will judge their action. We and imams only can make assumations.
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By the way, i like the list. It shows to nonmuslims not to believe all shit about islam because even muslims dont believe to those crazy fatwa givers.
330 proud muslim
February 28th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
@loony moon.. if bombers n terrorists who are active in Pakistan, though they consider themselves muslims then how cum they r killing all those innocent muslims in Pakistan as pakistan is a muslim nation??????????? we dont consider them muslims because God said that whoever kills sum1 regardless of their faith n creed are not muslims!!! even if they consider themselves to be soo…
I am a muslim n Im a PaKISTANI, i know way more then u coz I live in Pakistan…
Go open up ur history books and see what muslims gave you when it was d dark ages, when muslims and book written by others were destroyed in the black sea because they literacy was banned by the church, and tht is how black sea got its name, wen they destroyed all those books, the sea became black with they ink of those books!!
but again its pointless explaining stuff 2 u bcoz u r under the influence of false media propoganda…
i guess i shud better stop wasting my energy n time on u…keep on believin what u lyk…n keep hating us…
peace
331 proud muslim
February 28th, 2010 at 2:56 pm
@loony moon… yes we dont consider talibans muslims or islamic, ask any muslim.. as what they do is totally unacceptable in islam…im not denying anything..i dont hv 2…fact is fact…its just that u dont have enuf knowledge abt islam or muslims
anyhow…betta end dis chapter coz as a muslim, i dont believe in spreading hatred…there is one religion above all, n that is HUMANITY.. n i luv humans, i luv u 2 despite all u said…so finish dis topic coz this debate is going 2 end neva..u hv ur views v hv ours…but life is too short 2 even luv, thn better not waste it hating each other…n not put up such controversial lists hurting sum1…
by the way i know u r a guy n might surprise u but im a girl from pakistan, doing MBA.peace…
332 kingstead
February 28th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
This is very interesting. Proving that this religion is more about control than than a relationship.
333 muslimgurll :)
February 28th, 2010 at 4:35 pm
Woah this is extremely pathetic and is an embarrassment to my religion. I’m Muslim and this is ridiculous. Those people making up these fatwas are selfish, controlling, power-hungry losers.
334 BufordLuLu
February 28th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
It always sucks when there a few people who make the whole world think your religion/organization is “evil”. In reality, there are always some goofy Christians who says incredibly stupid things – of course these are the statements people then associate with Christianity. The same thing, I think, with Islam, Judaism, The Fraternal Order of Lesbian Librarians – whoever you are. We have to learn to look past the extremists and to the heart of the people. Having said that – GREAT LIST!
I can tell you, having seen some of the freaks my husband works with, they would enjoy the breastfeeding WAY TOO MUCH!
335 periwinkleskies
February 28th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
@chingpower (67): Yay! Thanks haha. Yes, I am a Filipino. So you are too?
336 ALJID
February 28th, 2010 at 10:10 pm
@loony moon
Please don’t generalize all Moslems like that. Even if you have insulted every Moslem out there and that includes me of course, I wouldn’t even try to kill you.
What’s unfair right now in the media is that every time a person under the religious affiliation of Islam does something, let’s say he raped some kid. It’s always reported as KID RAPED BY A MUSLIM. But when that criminal is under any other religion or just a plain atheist, the headline just reads KID RAPED BY A 32-Year Old Man. It’s very racist or sort of insulting. But what can we Moslems do? If we try to do anything that is even close to just expression of opinion, it gets multiplied and the headline will read MUSLIMS START A RIOT…
337 smokingfrog
February 28th, 2010 at 10:20 pm
From this article and all the comment war, i can only confirm my assumption that the prob lies with PEOPLE itself and not any religion.
Peace
338 Viktorea Lutrova
March 1st, 2010 at 2:31 am
I really, really, REALLY wish it was very painful to be that stupid. Those Fatwas are some of the most absurd things I’ve ever read. This stupidity rant is directed ONLY to those who authored these fatwas and those who actually follow them, no one else, period. They have to be amongst the DUMBEST humans on Earth, right up there with the Taliban and people who actually BELIEVE Televangelists and send them money.
339 a horse mauls a ding-a-ling
March 1st, 2010 at 3:42 am
@A_Hurt_Muslim (310) or any muslims out there: just a simple question.. you said muslim can’t kill people.. can you hurt or discriminate people then? are those allowed in your religion? i can give you lots of example where muslim hurt and discriminate people from other religion in my country.. the reason? just because people are not muslim, they get discriminated, hurt, and many other sad things.. you know, things like churches being bombed, lesser chance to work for the government, etc..
340 Papeeta
March 1st, 2010 at 8:20 am
@a horse mauls a ding-a-ling (339):
No, discriminating against other religions is not in Islam.
Islam is a religion of peace and the word “Islam” itself means submission to God’s will. and God does not want any person to hurt any other person for just believing in something else.
The point is everyone needs to know what Islam is ACTUALLY about. these terrorist are not real muslims. The biggest battle in Islam is with oneself, one’s evil desires, bad habbits. Islam works on the character of a person, not the society/politics..!
341 Papeeta
March 1st, 2010 at 8:27 am
It is unfortunate to have these types of fatwas.. these are just plain stupid. It tells you there are so many educated MORONS in the world who either want to be famous and/or want people to obey what they say.!
They dont make any logical sense and have any proving grounds. This is one of the many reasons that muslims now have deviated from what the religion is truly about.
We need to understand and follow the character of the prophet (pbuh). He was a person who would pray for the well being of the people who used to throw stones at him! Jesus also did the same, he prayed for and sacrificed himself for the well being of the people. This is what we all need to understand and follow. to Love all and be in harmony and peace, which unfortunately will not happen like this..
342 Woody
March 1st, 2010 at 8:31 am
All of Islam is evil and should be destroyed.
343 Nora
March 1st, 2010 at 2:40 pm
LOL i love how the one person said he did his homework… Wow seriously, hes getting info from jihad watch. Gimmie a break!
344 krypto092108
March 1st, 2010 at 2:42 pm
About these fatwas: HOLY SHIT! Just… HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
345 krypto092108
March 1st, 2010 at 2:43 pm
About these fatwas: HOLY SHIT! Just… HOLY SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!
How can one bunch of believers be this… CRAZY and DUMB????
346 krypto092108
March 1st, 2010 at 2:44 pm
I guess it bore repeating, I was so stupefied…
347 boo
March 1st, 2010 at 3:01 pm
First, I do agree with people who said some or most of these ‘fatwas’ are odd but, hey, all these people do not represent anything but there own sayings and opinions. Islam never claimed such strange fatwas and it is the perfect religion in the entire world, as for the Islam-haters out there, I’d say, get a life and try to see the reality with all its aspects. Islam will overcome every other religion on earth in the near future. Christians and others are fleeing their religions because they started to realize the truth.
348 xilebat
March 1st, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Nora,
Would you prefer moderator Ayman bin khaleds original posting on Multaqa Ahl al Hadeeth?
http://ahlalhdeeth.com/vbe/showthread.php?t=1625
349 Marilyn Joeman
March 1st, 2010 at 7:59 pm
you should consider the Yoga (yes i’m not allowed to use the F word in my country for fear of imprisonment/ offense to muslim) – amongst others.
http://www.nowpublic.com/culture/malaysia-clerics-issue-yoga-fatwa-imagine-no-religon-billboard-only-lasts-few-days-rancho-cucamonga
350 danni
March 2nd, 2010 at 2:37 am
@boo
If islam is the perfect religion then why are SOME muslims strapping bombs to their chests and blowing themselves and innocent civilians up, hmmm must be a flaw somewhere in there.Dont see how you can say it is perfect, and as for islam overunning the rest of the world, i wouldnt be suprised because your own countries are soo shit and oppressed (because of your “perfect religion”) you come to the west and breed like rats.
351 ozhan
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:56 am
MAybe it is the humans who are flawed…
Waiting for an atheist to say “why would a perfect god create a flawed race and then again why would a perfect god needs to create” :p:p:p
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By the way, maybe those suicede bombers were thinking colletreal damage
But seriously, dont take suicidial attacks lighty… I imagene those people either seriously brainwashed or desperete, i bet both.
352 ozhan
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:58 am
reminder: i used word race as human species.
353 ozhan
March 2nd, 2010 at 4:12 am
For your information
Just in Turkiye, about religion… There is one official department, two major cults, many minor cults, a number of TV popular scholars and a few book writer/researcher scholars who all have a say on issues. And all of those have their own fan base and followers. And their influence are limited to that.
This is because islam isnt a organized religion but since mankind are like herds and need shepheard people beg to be told what to do rather than just read the book!
Every once in a while one of those minor cult leaders turn out to be crocks who were just in the bussines for the money (easy donations).
By the way, in the past we had a dangeourus armed cult who kidnaps businesman, tortutes opposers, rule stupid things etc. It is long gone now. By the way, it turned out they were supported by Iran as a political weapon, unofficialy.
354 sufehmi
March 2nd, 2010 at 8:16 am
Thanks, but no thanks xilebat. You need to do more research.
As JoeBlack pointed out – this list is more sensationalism than truth.
As for the vaccine – xilebat indeed neglected to mention the pork factor in those vaccines.
And there’s another angle – at least in Indonesia, there have been attempts since the era of the old dictator (Soeharto) to do strange, unexplained, vaccinations to the masses. And Soeharto was very well known with his KB (birth control) programmer. And he also does not care about other people’s lives (ref: The year of living dangerously)
But apparently the programme still continued — a few months ago my daughter was about to be vaccinated.
Out of curiosity, I asked – what for ?
To my surprise, nobody, I repeat, NOBODY can answer it.
I asked the school, the teachers, the doctors – none.
It’s just like this case:
http://www.naturalnews.com/027538_bird_flu_guinea_pigs.html
Such an abomination. I prohibited my daughter from taking the shot.
So, hopefully now you can understand our being wary about taking vaccines here in the third world countries.
We don’t want to become an (unwilling, unexpecting) guinea pig for the Big Pharma.
It’s easy to just laugh off the fatwa about the vaccine above. But if you try to dig around, find out the reasons – then it may actually make sense.
Some of the scholars are actually trying to help others from being conned by unscrupulous parties / corporations.
More details :
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article70331.ece
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Veterans-claim-evidence-of-39guinea.1261031.jp
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/10443.php
Yeah, this vaccine business is a mess, but involves a lot of money.
Nowadays we only vaccinate our children with doctors that we trust. It’s too risky otherwise.
355 sufehmi
March 2nd, 2010 at 8:32 am
More info on drugs / vaccination problems :
http://www.brokenprojector.com/wordpress/?p=54
http://www.soniashah.com/books/details.php?id=3
Quoted :
“Imagine the uproar if dozens of drug-trial patients in America were to perish from deadly side effects known to the FDA. Consider the commotion if AIDS babies in Europe were to die while being administered placebos rather than potentially life-saving drugs.
These scandals did happen—just elsewhere. In The Body Hunters, investigative journalist Sonia Shah describes drug trials in places like India and Zambia that would have occasioned outrage if conducted in the developed world.”
356 leerahim
March 3rd, 2010 at 6:44 pm
Hi guys… I’m a Malaysian, and i can really say that #8 is nothing but political. The government here would do anything to be in the news and to show that they’re actively doing something and they care about the people. In the end they’re becoming jokes again n again. Fortunately, no action has been taken, so far to any female muslims who wear jeans and t shirts. Goes to show, that they’re not really serious in implementing anything, being in the news is good enough. Here’s a clip of one of our popular local singers, a Muslim girls, who covers her head in public, while playing guitar n piano.. and wearing jeans of course.
357 xilebat
March 4th, 2010 at 2:53 pm
There’s always a little hope for freedom of expression as long as you’ve got a Les Paul…
That made my day.
358 eyrith
March 5th, 2010 at 12:08 am
This is a good list.
I just expected that the sources regarding these fatwas would be very sufficient to ensure the validity of the information since we can all see that this list deals with Islam, which is a very sensitive topic around here.
But the comments are really entertaining. Some people are… really. Ha.
359 kakazed
March 5th, 2010 at 1:44 am
This is an awful list.
Jfrater and the listeverse community I have lost all respect for you guys. It seemed that this site was one for education and teaching but putting a list of this nature is just calling for people to mock Islam.
Would you post a list on the Priests who molested the most children? Would you post a list on the most evil jews? Would you post a list on the most criminal black people?
A Fatwa is a religious opinion. You have taken 10 peoples opinions and used it to discredit an entire religion.
You Mr Jfrater, knows that any list where religion comes up, leads to hate speech. Why allow a list of this nature to be posted? Do you think it is clever to upset people? Do you think it is intelligent to cause further rifts between muslims and non-muslims. You succeeded in making us muslims look like fools because of a few people.
Is freedom of speech there to allow us to mock? Is it there to allow us to cause division. No it is there to engage debate and allow for peoples horizons and thinking to broadend. How does this list do that?
A few months ago you pulled a list that stated that Abortion was mass murder. You did this as you stated people were not happy with the list. But to make the Muslim readers unhappy is not an issue? Where is the justice and fairness? Why not follow your instinct in this case like how you said you should have on your apology.
The comments are shocking. I blame not those making the comments, this is the fault of you, mr Jfrater. You started this fire and sit back and laugh while others flame each other. Shamefull.
360 xilebat
March 5th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Lighten up, Kakazed. No one’s going after your faith, just some marginal asshats who (undeservedly)claim to speak for it.
If you’re offended, it’s because of some embarrassingly dimwitted, careerist clerics, not an Internet website. Without the clerics’ stupid fatwas, there wouldn’t even be a list. If you think Islam is insulted, then your issue is with them, not JFrater.
Somehow you’re forgetting that, and the fact that other Muslims mock these decisions, too. You’re also forgetting that two days prior to this post was a list of “10 People Who Give Christianity a Bad Name”. Funny, I see you didn’t post there.
Oh, and YES, freedom of speech does allow us to mock. It also allows us to chide, to shame, to argue, to convince, to agree, to disagree, to romance, to praise, and even to worship.
None of us has an inalienable right to an unoffended life. My advice is if you don’t like a list, instead of censoring everyone’s right to read it or demonizing the moderator, you censor your own right to read it.
Have a nice day.
XILEBAT
361 raihana19
March 6th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
hi,
as a muslim and a malaysian i personally think this is stupid. i never even heard of such think.
362 raihana19
March 6th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
*thing
363 theoriginalcasualreader
March 8th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
I’m late commenting here, and have skimmed very rapidly down through a lot of comments, so hope my point isn’t a repeat.
Most reactions here are pretty predictable, whether neutral, pro- or anti-muslim.
However, I’m deeply shocked and surprised that apparently educated and informed muslims exist who access the internet and post here, yet claim never to have heard of the official Iranian fatwa calling for the murder of Salman Rushdie.
Can this be possible? That was a highly publicised, long-standing and high-profile international news item.
If moderate, decent, tolerant, open-minded moslem communities have been covering it up or concealing it for whatever reason or reasons, I would find that extremely worrying.
364 Ozhan
March 8th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
@theoriginalcasualreader (363): Maybe simply doesnt care… As I said before, those fatwas, muslim religious leaders etc have only influence over their fanbase because Islam is not an organized, centralizied religion.
Please read comment 353.@ozhan (353):
365 theoriginalcasualreader
March 9th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Ozhan (364),
Thank you for the courtesy of your reply.
It doesn’t altogether address my concern. I agree that all the other fatwas listed here (except perhaps those which might degrade women) are bizarre and laughable. However, that against Rushdie was sinister, a threat to free speech, and widely supported by moslems in many parts, including Britain. I don’t think one could refer to fundamentalist air-hijack attacks on the US as “bizarre or ridiculous”. right?
An enormous sum of money was offered for the killing of Rushdie, and an enormous sum was spent by the British secutiry services for many years to protect him, and probably still is. He only survived because of that, but his life as an ‘ordinary’ citizen ceased to exist. Perhaps you might care to think of yourself hunted to death by fanatical Christians or professional killers because of something humorously critical or satirical you wrote in Listverse (a site of free speech).
In our modern world we should now have the collective maturity to accept criticism or parody of any major institution. It stands as one of the tests of its strength, relevance and integrity. The answer is not to kill critics but to prove them wrong by positive action. Of course defenceless minorities require protection from poisonous bigots, but large. long-established religions should be able to take care of themselves by way of the strength of their convictions.
Britain has spent centuries building her cherished freedom of speech and surrounding it with laws which defend it from abusive use. Do you consider it right that newly arrived cultures should be welcomed by the country and then attack that fundmental right? Would it be acceptable for me to live in Turkey and demand that Turks change some basic aspect of their way of life to suit mine? If I don’t approve of the structure of Turkey’s religion(s), politics, etc., as supported by the population as whole, I shouldn’t become a resident. How would you feel if I lived as your very friendly American or European neighbour for many years and then one day blew up some building containing your fellow countrymen, perhaps even your personal friends?
If moslems in general choose, as you say, perhaps not to care or react, then that irresponsibility will ultimately lead to a tragic widening of the gulf between the decent, tolerant moslem world as a whole and those nations which have been picked as targets for ‘ridiculous’ fatwas and fundamentalist extremist attacks. My fear is that those who may suffer most are welcome and harmless muslim immigrants in the attacked countries.
366 Ozhan
March 9th, 2010 at 1:07 pm
I found your reply off-topic. What are you suggesting?
Do you want to say that I should invade Iran, over-throw their goverment and force them democracy and then tell their people how to live? I mean, yeah… most of the people dont support the Iranian leadears but it is the Iranian people who must take action. Froigner powers may support a rebellion but forcing a change..?
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What is 9/11 have to do with fatwas? IMO, It is a war started long before 9/11 between ex-USA agent Usama with his legions (which he could recuited them thanks to harsh tactics USA followed) and USA with his allies. Both sides using religion to fill their ranks just like in crusades.
367 najdanut
March 9th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
now dearest… having going through your other lists…i came across a list of the top 10 people who make Christianity look bad…. i am under the impression that you are a man of a good intelligence level…. the only problem being that there is a thin line between being productive and being vindictive….. however, assuming you are well learned and educated i can imagine you would know what Islam really is…and the doctrines that define it? your post would suggest otherwise though…. only one learned in the field of islam, ,one who understands, contemplates and understands islam can issue fatwa…. there are those who just make islam look bad.. none of the fatwas above are islamic in anyway…..and so didnt deserve to be linked to anything islamic.. it is a mockery to islam and muslims.
368 redhatgizmo
March 10th, 2010 at 5:18 am
@ Ahmad # 30 “These scholars are very minor figures with most Muslims.”
Two Grand Muftis (Likes of ibn Baaz & Gomma..!!) One Dean Of Islamic law University One Very Famous Religious Leader ( Khomeni even worshiped by many ) One National Level Fatwa Council ….very very miner figures indeed ..;-)
369 theoriginalcasualreader
March 10th, 2010 at 6:49 pm
Ozhan @ 366.
“I found your reply off-topic. What are you suggesting?”
Me? Off topic? What are YOU suggesting? Let me remind you, the topic is fatwas of Islamic basis, whether +genuine+ or not. You replied that maybe most decent Moslems don’t know about them (these 10) because they don’t care. I happened to be discussing what the terrible effects of +not caring+ might be for vulnerable, decent Moslems. So I’m sure we are as +on topic+ as a train runs on rails.
Now let’s consider my +off topic+ a bit further, shall we? The focus of my comment was surprise that moslems posting here claimed not have heard of the fatwa on Salman Rushdie. In case you didn’t notice, that happens to be Nº9 in this list. It also happens to have been extremely widely reported internationally. I imagine among moslems everywhere too – by those looking for potential assassins and trying to stir up hatred.
Are you asserting that a leader of one country publicly planning the execution of a private citizen of another is a matter of no account, and that this fatwa has no serious base? Let me copy what the previous poster has just written: “One Very Famous Religious Leader ( Khomeni even worshiped by many )”
No, of course I don’t expect you to invade Iran. Don’t be so foolishly facetious. If, as you say, the fatwa on Rushdie is only an internal Iranian affair, perhaps you will explain to me why Pakistani moslems in England supported it and burnt copies of +The Satanic Verses+ in public. What I do expect is that you and other civilised moslems will come out openly and critise such a repulsive attitude. I would remind you that many Americans and others here on LV has criticised the war on Iraq, and in particular George W. Bush. Remember, it was conducted against a monstrous, murderous tyrant, Saddam Hussein, who happened to murder thousands of decent moslems, including defencless women and children.
I would also remind you that Bush did not claim to be attacking Iraq because Jesus Christ told him too, or because of his interpretation of something written in the Bible, or on behalf of Christianity. Without excusing their obscenity in any way, I would remind you that most modern wars are fought for political reasons (plus a few with a racial basis). Europe largely abandoned religion as an excuse for war when the crusades ended.
So all I am proposing is that peaceful moslems of good will should speak out against this monstrous distortion of their cultural religion rather than “Maybe simply doesnt care”. I am not a Catholic, but as one who lives a general Christian cultural background, I am outraged by paedophile priests of that religion. I am not a moslem either, but am also outraged by the treatment of women in some extremeist moslem nations. Nor am I a communist, but the atrocities of high communist leaders against their own people enrage me.
Would you think the best way to settle a serious argument about religion on LV would be to kill your opponent? Of course not. You see, Ozhan, what I’m talking about is what should be a caring bridge of common humanity between all decent, tolerant people everywhere, no matter what their creed or colour. Everywhere I’ve travelled in the world, including Turkey, I have found such friends.
Examples: could you imagine the Dalai Lama or Sister Theresa issuing a fatwa?
370 Ozhan
March 11th, 2010 at 1:42 am
I said your reply is off-topic because you asked why muslims dont stop fatwas and i said because each community is indepencense of each other then you started to give examples such as “would you happy if i come to Turkey and change things” and ” 9/11 was such an evil act” and then you start explaining to me killing a critic is wrong. Did i said something against it?
USA used the religious different to have support for war. “They are different from us, they hate our way of life, every one of them is a suspect” etc and Bush did use the word crusade. Of course wars are politic but that doesnt stop warmongers to use religion to flame their war efforts.
Once again, I’m saying… You cannot make responsible a community of Islam for the actions of another comunity of Islam. Because Islam world doesnt work like that. Hmm, maybe you can imagene it how Chatolic church wont try to stop Protestan christians. Because they will simply wouldnt listen to each other.
How did you know there arent any muslim scholars who talk against conflicts? I remember stumbling upon a message comes from American-Arab scholars condemding 9/11. For example news of that didnt come to Turkey because as i said before, different communities have zero influence. Heck, even American-Turkish scholars cant effect Turkish community because they have no fan base here.
Did you know to be a muslim all you need to say I believe in God and prophet. Thats all. Others can argue all they want as “but you drink, gamble, kill, cheat and dont pray” the guy will still be a muslim because no man can enter between God and him. Only God can judge him. There is no such thing as kicking someone out of religion as in Christianty because Islam is not a club.
As a muslim I have same amount of responsibility to stop a murderous musim or christian or jew or atheist etc. Because islam is not a club i dont have a special mission to protect all muslims. A crime is a crime whoever doing it.
IMO, best way to counter recuiting progress of terorism is the have people read Quran. Most of the people just follows a leader whom they find charismatic.
By the way, dont forget the money prize Al-Quede puts on its kill targets. That is also a reason to kill.
371 Ozhan
March 11th, 2010 at 1:50 am
Once the Pope said some awfull comments about Islam and a tension raised. But we didnt see Ortodox or Protesten or Amish church realeasing messages that they are not thinking the same. So should we automaticly assume all christian communitties agree with Pope on that subject just because they didnt speak againt it?
The lines in Christian communites a
372 theoriginalcasualreader
March 11th, 2010 at 9:38 pm
Ozhan @ 370 & 371,
You seem to me to be an intelligent person with a rather good and certainly quite understandable command of English. I wish I could master any foreign language so well.
So why do you keep on accidentally or deliberately failing to grasp what I am trying to explain and accusing me of attitudes I haven’t expressed and don’t possess?
Frankly, I only opened this exchange with you because it puzzled me how Moslems commenting in the topic hadn’t heard of the Rushdie fatwa. I found that strange and more than a little disturbing. Then you evidently pointed out they don’t take any of these fatwas seriously. I replied that Mr Rushdie certainly took a threat to his life seriously, also the British government, also many British Moslems, for different reasons. If you read carefully, you will also find that my concern was as much for Moslems as others.
Maybe all that means nothing to you – or you think I’m talking rubbish – or am some Christian who doesn’t understand Moslems or Islam and dislikes them. If so, O.K. Let’s leave it at that, because I don’t intend to waste more time arguing pointlessly.
I will, however, correct one or two of your new misconceptions and misrepresentations of me.
“I said your reply is off-topic because you asked why moslems dont stop fatwas”
No I didn’t. I challenge you to reprint anything I have written here that even suggests such nonsense.
“Bush did use the word crusade”.
If you look up +crusade+ in a good dictionary, you will find it has two meanings. The first is historical and literal: a Christian expedition to recover their Holy Land from Mohammedans; war instigated by Church for alleged religious ends. The second is modern and figurative. It is used in many contexts, almost always with no connection either to religion or Islam. For example, the New York City Police Department might conduct a crusade against organised crime. That is Americans against non-Moslem Americans in America. I might organise a local crusade against neighbours who are dumping rubbish in my street. It would also be very reasonable to talk of a crusade against drug trafficking or international terrorism. But that would mean against all drug dealers and all terrorists, including the Spanish ETA and the IRA. You are free to choose which meaning you think Bush intended. I hope it was the second. If it was the first, then that was inflammatory and unpardonably monstrous. I would suggest that Bush should have chosen his words more carefully, but unfortunately you may well have a better command of English than his! You are also free to decide whether you think most Americans intended that to mean war against Islam. I would think it sad if you did.
“Once again, I’m saying… You cannot make responsible a community of Islam for the actions of another comunity of Islam. Because Islam world doesnt work like that. Hmm, maybe you can imagene it how Chatolic church wont try to stop Protestan christians. Because they will simply wouldnt listen to each other”
Ozhan, Christianity is a main religion, along with Islam. It has many sects. But when any sect does something evil in the name of Christianity, ALL decent Christians react, whatever their sect. Suppose the Pope ordered some book author from another country to be killed in the name of Christianity. Do you suppose the rest of the Christian world would remain silent because he was a Catholic, a different sect? I’m quite sure all, including the Greek and Russian Orthodox Churches would react with outrage and horror. I suspect and hope most Catholics would too, although, sadly, I guess a few sick Catholic extremists might take his command literally as The Word of God.
“How did you know there arent any muslim scholars who talk against conflicts?”
Once again, let me remind you who wrote what. It was you who told us, “Maybe simply doesnt care” And you know quite well I was talking about Moslems here in Listverse and merely commenting on what you told me. Not once have I even suggested that the entire Islamic world has failed to condemn them. Basically my question was why had people posting on this web-site never heard of Salman Rushdie? OK since you made the point I will reply. I know damn well that countless Moslems hate terrorism (or terror) in the name of Islam, that some write against it, and others act to destroy it, either as police, soldiers or politicians. I’m also well aware what extreme courage it takes to stand up against extremists who think they will go straight to some imaginary Paradise if they blow themselves and you to pieces. So please don’t accuse me of belittling Moslem moral or physical courage.
“There is no such thing as kicking someone out of religion as in Christianity because Islam is not a club.”
I’m afraid you also seem to have the wrong idea of Christianity, Ozhan. No one can stop anybody forming their own +Christian+ sect. Lunatics often do that, and idiot sheep always follow them. They even occasionally commit mass-suicide when ‘the leader’ tells them too. No one can stop anyone else personally believing in Christianity. It’s obviously impossible. I’m a non-believer, for example. How are you going to +make+ me believe sincerely? Torture me? It’s true the Catholic church can excommunicate someone, but that won’t stop them believing what they believe, and they can always join another sect. And by the way, I read that there is no greater +crime+ than apostasy in Islam. So actually, many Moslems may not be free to think, speak and act as I am.
“As a muslim I have same amount of responsibility to stop a murderous musim or christian or jew or atheist etc. Because islam is not a club i dont have a special mission to protect all muslims. A crime is a crime whoever doing it”
Well said. We are together on that as fellow human beings then, you as a Moslem, me an +infidel+ – hahaha. (Well, I guess that might be a good translation of a non-believer?). But you see, Ozhan, our attitude is not shared by all Moslems, Christians, Jews, or even atheists. There are many, very many, of all those who really do believe they and people who share their particular +line+ are more special than all others. They are God’s only chosen people if they are religious. Their duty is towards their own above all else.
“Once the Pope said some awfull comments about Islam and a tension raised”
Yes, Ozhan, but I am not a Catholic or even a Christian. I am a secular non-believer. And the Pope is saying insulting things about me and others like me all the time too. But he is not threatening to kill us. So the best thing to do is to ignore his foolish, biased, intolerant cant towards moral, caring fellow human beings, as many of us who don’t believe in a God are. Nearly all religions hate apostasy, which they regard as the greatest crime against ‘their’ God. They only despise atheism though, because it lacks moral standards (they claim) and rejects humans as the Divine focus of the Universe. So for them atheism effectively places ourselves on a moral and physical plane with animals. It is therefore an affront to ‘their’ God. Don’t talk to me about clubs! Sectarian religious belief as whole is one big united club – against non-believers. In many countries of the world and by most religions, we are more discriminated against intellectually and actively than believers of any kind. Sometimes it is not even permitted to describe yourself officially as an atheist. If you do, you can suffer in various ways, and even find yourself in physical danger in a few countries. May I remind you: this is the 21st Century when we can reach out scientifically to the stars, not the Middle Ages. In fact I don’t feel victimised. I’m strong and confident enough spiritually to stand on my own two feet. I mainly feel extremely sad for the narrow-mindedness, intolerance and blind religious dependence of too many fellow humans. But no fatwas for posting that, please!
I’ve said all I wish to say on the subject. This post is far too long anyway. So I’m happy to leave you the last word if you wish. I shall certainly read anything you want to add with interest. I close with my good wishes for you and all Moslems who live in peace.
373 Ozhan
March 12th, 2010 at 12:33 am
I read your long posts, no worries
Okey, my closing statements.
“Do you suppose the rest of the Christian world would remain silent because he was a Catholic, a different sect?” I actully believe that would be the case.
I admit I may got a bit upset when my lack of knowledge about death threats issued by some islamic organizations is accused as a flaw in my part, along other decent muslims. And I felt like you are pushing me to take responsibility of their actions just because we are both muslims. You see, my lack of attention doesnt come from level of importance of their action but merely from lack of connections with those groups, whether they carry polished titles or not. Because again they gained those titles from authruties whom I dont know.
Funny thought came… What if Turks never abolished the “halife” system, politicily today we would be leader of whole muslims
374 theoriginalcasualreader
March 12th, 2010 at 9:29 am
Ozhan @ 373,
““Do you suppose the rest of the Christian world would remain silent because he was a Catholic, a different sect?” I actully believe that would be the case.”
That is such an appallingly cynical and wrong-headed supposition of indifference in the face of our common humanity that it forces me to break my silence and reply with a few brief recent historical facts.
Of course, few of us are interested in the internal everyday affairs of other religions or countries. That is perfectly reasonable.
But if a Catholic priest is a major paedophile anywhere, the whole Chritian and secular world is outraged. It becomes news in all papers and on TV. We all feel anger for the suffering children, whether we are Christians, Jews, Catholics or non-believers (and I am sure Moslems do too).
May I remind you that the largely +Christian+ world fought to defend Moslems in ex-Yugoslavia against +Orthodox Christian+ Serbia.
Also that overflights by the unpopular western powers in-between the two Iraq wars protected defenseless Moslem Kurdish populations against more aerial gas attacks by Moslem Iraqis led by monstrous Saddam Hussein?
I might also mention the disastrous attempts by the U.S. to break up the brutality in Somalia, which cost American lives.
So far as I can make out, none of those expensive operations brought any direct gain to those involved.
You may suggest that oil, past colonialism and power politics are the cynical cause or reason behind all these. If you do think that, be careful. You need oil for your place in modern civilisation just as much as I do. Turkey has a colonial past of power politics based on armed conquest too. We are all tarred by the same brush.
But the need is to move forward into a more enlightened and aware global civilisation based on protection for the oppressed and vulnerable whatever their colour or creed, and informed by fearless and uncensored reporting. I believe the examples I have just shown indicate tentative moves in that direction. So please don’t unjustly accuse us of the so-called +Christian+ cultures of blind lack of concern beyond our own immediate doorsteps and self-interest.
375 Ozhan
March 12th, 2010 at 11:09 am
What is the connection between my statement of “protestant church wouldnt take Pope seriously and will not protest his actions” and your given examples of “but christians communities helped muslims”
???
376 theoriginalcasualreader
March 12th, 2010 at 11:59 pm
First off, if you want to conduct a discussion, you should be quite consistent.
This is what you just claim to have posted: “protestant church wouldnt take Pope seriously and will not protest his actions”
What you in fact posted was: ““Do you suppose the rest of the Christian world would remain silent because he was a Catholic, a different sect?” I actully believe that would be the case.”
Can you notice a certain difference between +protestant church+ and +rest of the Christian world+ (which, I remind you, includes Greek and Russian Orthodox)? In fact the word +Christian+ tends to be used in a broad sense(many, many Christians do not belong to sects or go to church), while the word protestant is very particular. I hope you understand that. I said “the rest of the Christian world”. That means everyone who belongs to the Christian world except Catholics, not just protestants.
OK. Never mind. Let’s move on to the wider and more important issue.
Your question: “What is the connection between my statement of “protestant church wouldnt take Pope seriously and will not protest his actions” and your given examples of “but christians communities helped muslims””
My answer. My reply was perfectly consequent. Let me spell it out for you. Obviously I cannot prove to you what would happen if a Pope asked publicly for someone to be murdered, because it hasn’t happened (yet)! So I looked for an actual example. The worst known crime involving the Catholic Church is paedophilia by priests. I can therefore tell you that the whole Christian world reacts with revulsion against this, whether Catholic or Protestant, and including even sectarian atheists with a Christian cultural background such as me. This universal revulsion is expressed publicly wherever and whenever possible. So you see, Ozhan, there is no doubt whatever we would all react far more strongly still against a Pope who called for a murder. (In fact, a Pope directly involved in murder would be subject to legal justice in the western world. Even popes and kings cannot make up their own laws as Iranian ayatollahs do, and so are not above the common law).
Next. To take my point further, I wanted to illustrate that Christians not only respond to horrors and crimes in other Christian sects, but also extend that behaviour towards different cultures and religions. I chose Islam because it is the topic here. It also relates most directly to yourself. You perhaps know the biblical story of the Good Samaritan. It was about a man of one religion and culture helping someone in need from another culture and religion. I’m sure your religious literature has similar examples, because I have seldom received such kindness, hospitality and generosity as I have found in countries such as Turkey and the Lebanon, even from very poor people.
Perhaps you notice how I appreciate good Islamic people there, Ozhan? Here are some further examples from my posts above:
“We all feel anger for the suffering children … I am sure Moslems do too”
“If you read carefully, you will also find that my concern was as much for Moslems as others”
“Not once have I even suggested that the entire Islamic world has failed to condemn them”
“I know damn well that countless Moslems hate terrorism (or terror) in the name of Islam, that some write against it, and others act to destroy it, either as police, soldiers or politicians. I’m also well aware what extreme courage it takes to stand up against extremists… So please don’t accuse me of belittling Moslem moral or physical courage”
“… a tragic widening of the gulf between the decent, tolerant moslem world as a whole”
“My fear is that those who may suffer most are welcome and harmless muslim immigrants …”
“… Saddam Hussein, who happened to murder thousands of decent moslems, including defencless women and children”
“Everywhere I’ve travelled in the world, including Turkey, I have found such friends”
“I close with my good wishes for you and all Moslems who live in peace”
So there are 10 remarks from me in the exchanges between us, all showing respect and understanding for decent people in the world of Islam. (And I mean decent, peaceful, friendly people.)
So why do you feel so threatened by my posts and react in such a defensive, touchy, almost hostile way? I merely began by expressing surprise that anyone capable of posting in English on the internet had never heard of the world-famous Rushdie case, and wondered why. I did not blame anyone or expect anyone to take responsibility, as you assumed. In fact I was most concerned for vulnerable Moslems. Then you suggested fatwas were a local event which did not involve other Moslems. That led me to ask why Pakistani Moslems in England had responded to a call from an ayatollah in Iran (which you did not answer). Next you suggested Christians had no interest in what happened in other sects but their own. I answered that as best I could, and with examples. That seemed to be a waste of time, since instead of answering or accepting my replies, you have accused me twice (and falsely IMO) of being +off-topic+.
Well. My turn to ask a question. Can you copy out any remarks you have posted here which are similar to my copies, but which show respect and understanding for decent people in the Christian world? Because you most certainly won’t get anywhere or prove anything by trying to represent all Christians negatively as self-interested +Crusaders+, I promise you.
On the other hand, any glimmer of sympathetic common humanity to help form a briudge with decent people of other persuasions is no better way to gain genuine respect for the world of Islam. I promise that too. If you can provide some fine examples of positive Moslem actions in the world, perhaps in UN Peace Keeping forces, that would be even better. There is no need to bite George Bush’s ass any more. Enough people do that in his own country and everywhere else. It doesn’t need any more biting and won’t get you or Islam anywhere!
377 theoriginalcasualreader
March 13th, 2010 at 12:09 am
Sorry, that last paragraph should begin:
On the other hand, any glimmer of sympathetic common humanity to help form a bridge with decent people of other persuasions could hardly be bettered to gain genuine respect for the world of Islam.
378 Ozhan
March 13th, 2010 at 2:05 am
First of all I didnt write protestant to blame protestans. It was just an example, i needed two different Christians communities, that’s all.
I think you are a concerned troll. Because in every reply you are carrying the subject even further, different zones. And blaming me for things i didnt mean.
And I didnt blame Christians for waging crusades in modern world. What I said that both leaders of the conflict using religion differences as a weapon. Then you said to me ‘no” and I tried to give examples of Bush goverment’s tactics.
But you are trying to show me as “you most certainly won’t get anywhere or prove anything by trying to represent all Christians negatively” w00t!!
When did I speak ill about Christians?
And now you are telling me that I didnt say anything good about Christians. Because it is off topic. We started our dissiciuon as “why muslims unaware of some bad fatwas and why they dont try to stop them” but now you are asking me to show good things muslims did. This is implying that you failed to find any.
You want to know a UN peace mission? You gave the example of Serbia-Bosnia conflict, how christians save the muslims etc. Why are you trying to dress the all subjects with religion. UN involed in that conflict as an international community, it wasnt a Christianity genearusty but a humanity generosity. (if we can neglect the fact Netherland soldiers abondaning their post to let SErbs kill civilians, before you say i dont blame Christians. I blame that commander’s lack of duty sense) And i guess you dont know Turkish army and goverment played important role in that conflict. Oh, by the way… If I follow your attidue in UN missions, Turks also fought along Christians against atheist communist in Korea war, right!? Are you putting a religious adjective to everything.
And dont you worry, goverments who rule over muslims communities too make humanity missions around the world. You can bet in every disaster, (from Katirina hurricane to Haiti earthquake) the victims receive help from all around world, regardless of religion or culture.
“That led me to ask why Pakistani Moslems in England had responded to a call from an ayatollah in Iran (which you did not answer).” Maybe those cults who gave the kill order know they have no agents in the field so they send their propaganda to the immigrants living in UK. I believe just like in Turkey, Pakistan people have also tens of different religious communnities, indepence of each other and maybe dislike of each other.
“There is no need to bite George Bush’s ass any more.”
You are talking like i built my argument over him. But we dont even talking about that. You brought the 9/11 example out of thin air and now blaming me!
You are definitly a troll. I will not feed you anymore.
379 theoriginalcasualreader
March 13th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Well, my old son,
No need to feed me any more, you’ve given me quite enough:
“When did I speak ill about Christians?” (yours,378)
““Do you suppose the rest of the Christian world would remain silent because he was a Catholic, a different sect?” I actully believe that would be the case.” (yours, 373)
If all (what you call) the +trolls+ you meet in life are as respectful, conbsiderate and conciliatory towards you as this one, you should should have a very smooth journey.
Hasta La Vista, Bebek.
380 theoriginalcasualreader
March 13th, 2010 at 9:49 am
That was such a sweet and touching farewell, I suppose I should have left it that.
Obviously though, I could continue to insult you indefinitely in my +troll vein+ until I starved to death from your failure to feed me. However, what good would that do you or me?
More positively, I’ll explain something intended entirely for your benefit (although I’m not sure you are actually capable of taking it in). I mean your own blind determination not to yield a single millimetre in our discussion. You always assume the worst for every point I make. And when did you give me a graceful reply? I have tried mostly to do that for you as person, except when your intransigent determination to avoid answering my questions or constant accusal of +off-topic+ has driven me to exasperation. But even then I have never insulted you as a person blindly, nor have you insulted me with invective. I thank you for that. So let’s drop that ridiculous word +troll+, you histrionically aimed at me, shall we?
What my point adds up to is this: I don’t need to insult you, because you insult your own intelligence. You want an example? Fine:
In 376 I carefully explain to you my sympathy for decent Moslems and my personal knowledge of countries where Islam is major religion.
In 378 you wrote “You want to know a UN peace mission? …
And i guess you dont know Turkish army and goverment played important role in that conflict (Korea). Oh, by the way … Are you putting a religious adjective to everything.”
In answer to that last question, read my lips, Ozhan:
“Everywhere I’ve travelled in the world, including Turkey, I have found such friends” (376)
“But the need is to move forward into a more enlightened and aware global civilisation based on protection for the oppressed and vulnerable whatever their colour or creed, and informed by fearless and uncensored reporting. I believe the examples I have just shown indicate tentative moves in that direction.” (374)
I won’t ask you to find my “religious adjectives” there, because I’m sure you can find them in everything I write.
Oh, by the way, had you noticed that this topic comes under the general heading of RELIGION, and the topic itself is about fatwas, an Islamic institution? Perhaps not.
The escape of the small Turkish enclave in Korea when completely surrounded by huge numbers of Chinese is one of the most incredible stories in the annals of military history. From my memory, the UN forces headquarters had given them up for dead a fortnight before they arrived back. I’m not sure without checking whether they managed this incredible feat without loss, but if so, the losses were very few. I’ll mention the Glorious Gloucesters to show just how familiar with the Korean War I am, and also so you can accuse me of putting a religious slant by including western +Christian+ soliders. So you see, Ozhan, you chose to make assumptions about me without evidence and were completely wrong again. But I don’t expect an apology. I don’t think one exists in you vocabulary.
So you also suppose I know nothing about the presence of Islamic forces in UN Peace Keeping operations? Wrong again. As I made quite clear, I was graciously leaving that theme for you, because I was sure you would know more about it. More than that, I thought it was a nice gesture to give you an opportunity to express Moslem pride. I imagined you would be pleased to accept that. I should have known better.
381 khakimonkey
March 23rd, 2010 at 3:06 am
I’d be hiding under my desk in shame if I was a Muslim, come on! Mickey mouse? Emoticons? Clearly you guys are not busy with that Koran!
382 tox44
April 6th, 2010 at 1:32 pm
yeah…and they hate it when we say they’re primitive.
383 Aadil Pitafi
April 19th, 2010 at 11:55 am
Whoa! I am a Muslim myself but have never heard of such retarded fatwas. I’m literally laughing my ass off. Seriously, those mullahs are just brainwashed people who come up with stupid innovations.
384 Coeus
April 28th, 2010 at 11:50 am
Number 10 is a false accusation on the grand mufti.
He has denied saying any such thing!!
385 Moon Flower
May 3rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
FYI, not only Facebook is forbidden for Indonesian Moslem (but this prohibition has no effect at all)
Recently in Eastern Java, female moslems are not allowed to do hair-smoothing and coloring. Ridiculous.
Smoking also in danger of being banned in Indonesia. Moslem called it ‘makruh’ (it’s not forbidden but better if not doing it).
386 jelly
May 17th, 2010 at 1:41 am
well im not a Muslim but i live in a Muslim environment ,and to be honest the Muslims itself seems doesnt even care about the fatwas .plus in my country fatwas are not something that the religious always talks about . im glad that my country doesnt apply some of this (well should i say nonsense fatwas?) fatwas .
387 muhammad
May 17th, 2010 at 4:04 pm
Well im a muslim and i rather have all these fatwas then be a christian and have priests rape me!Now watch how those christians that insult Islam shut up……
388 guest
May 19th, 2010 at 5:38 am
What about the Fatwa that was issued against the Baal Palestinian Authority postage stamp?
389 Mmmscd
June 10th, 2010 at 12:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuXmKhu3p8M http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqbJUL2eRRg&NR...
remember what the church did when Galileo said the earth is rounding the sun?
390 aMs
June 13th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
I am a Muslim, and not me nor any other Muslim follow these *Fatwas*, because it doesn't make any sense, a Muslim has a mind, and a Muslim uses his mind to recognize which Fatwa is sane and makes sense, these Fatwas were released by either non-violent extremists or people who aren't 100 percent mentally speaking, so please if anybody wants to comment, put what I just typed into consideration.
391 rachamim ben ami
June 16th, 2010 at 9:17 am
Unfortunately Islam does not offer its adherants the freedom to pick and choose individual attributes of the faith. Fatwas are NOT obligatory and really are not that worrisome except for the glimpse they offer of certain believers.
The worrisome aspects are those which are obligatory. Any Qu’ranic stricture for example…Sura IV is a great place to start. “Beat one’s wife with a rod.” The only “moderation” is whether or not it is acceptable to permanantly mark (scar) her in doing so.
A religion that was fashioned on the mores and customs of 7th Century Arabia is going to clash with the modern mind anyway you slice it. The fact that personal interpretation of the Qur’an is NOT allowed renders it even more of a losing proposition.
What I find saddest is not any particular Fatwa, but the digusting attempts at Political Correctness being offered in the “Comments.” “We Are the World” was cloyingly nauseating when it was released, please do spare us the regurgitation.
392 Ozhan
June 16th, 2010 at 6:39 pm
(4) Nisa (Women) – 34 :
Men Shall take full care of women with the bounties which God has bestowed more abundantly on the former than on the latter, and with what they may spend out of their possessions. And the righteous women are the truly devout ones, who guard the intimacy which God has [ordained to be] guarded. And as for those women whose ill-will you have reason to fear, admonish them [first]; then leave them alone in bed; then beat them; and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Behold, God is indeed most high, great!
————What prophet and scholars say?———-
It is evident from many authentic Traditions that the Prophet himself intensely detested the idea of beating one's wife, and said on more than one occasion, "Could any of you beat his wife as he would beat a slave, and then lie with her in the evening?" According to another Tradition, he forbade the beating of any woman with the words, "Never beat God's handmaidens"
Muhammed stipulated in his sermon on the occasion of the Farewell Pilgrimage, shortly before his death, that beating should be resorted to only if the wife "has become guilty, in an obvious manner, of immoral conduct", and that it should be done "in such a way as not to cause pain.
On the basis of these Traditions, all the authorities stress that this "beating", if resorted to at all, should be more or less symbolic – "with a toothbrush, or some such thing", or even "with a folded handkerchief"; and some of the greatest Muslim scholars are of the opinion that it is just barely permissible, and should preferably be avoided: and they justify this opinion by the Prophet's personal feelings with regard to this problem.
Also these are not new age readings of Quran but from the early time of Islam.
So… in your face rachamim ben ami!
393 aimes92026
June 20th, 2010 at 3:21 am
My heart goes out to the Muslim community. Many of these fatwas have indeed been issued by their leaders as well as a fatwa banning yoga. It’s sad when people knowingly submit themselves to such ignorance. The leaders are obviously deceived, but the billion who follow without question are also accountable. This is what happens when there is no check and balance religion, and any imam is allowed to make fatwas. I think many Muslims (especially the educated ones) are embarrassed when such fatwas are issued, just like they are embarrassed when Muslims are caught engaging in honor killings in the West (Canada, England and the US). But this is the religion they chose, so they are accountable. I thank God I am a free, educated person, able to make my own decision, without the fear of anyone harming me. I hope all Muslims one day have this same freedom.
394 Red, White and Blue
June 25th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
I denounce anyone killing another in the name of religion; no matter what religion they follow.
What about present times?
Today, followers of Islam are the only ones killing in the name of a religion! Where are the so-called moderate Muslims and Islamic groups with their public condemnation? It’s virtually non-existent!
395 adi000
July 7th, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Now, I'll be the first to admit I know very little about Islam. Because of that, I'll ask a question instead of commenting on the religion.
Any Muslims out there are welcome to reply.
Regarding the Polio vaccine fatwa: JoeBlack mentions that the fatwa was indeed issued, but that there "was no anti-west involved, the matter is that trypsin is used to prepare the polio vaccine, which is extracted form pork." Even a person with an incomplete understanding of Islam, such as myself, knows that pork is forbidden (I think the word for it is haram) to Muslims.
My question is this: Does the Quran make an exception in regards to pork (or things considered unclean in general) when a person's life or well being is endangered? For example, does the potential life saving (and quality-of-life) benefits of a Polio vaccine make the inclusion of a pork by-product a lesser offense? I ask because I had heard that under Islamic law, extenuating circumstances are taken into account. For example, when a Muslim is unable to pray the prescribed times per day due to unavoidable circumstances.
Please do not take offense, I only seek knowledge.
396 no to islamophobia
July 20th, 2010 at 7:53 pm
You find someone with an illogical fatwa to demonize Islam, the most logical ethical system on earth is the scientific interpretation of Islam, which you hesitate to write about. Shame on you!
397 NOOR*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:28 pm
OMG im a muslim ok. these 'fatwa's' are all made by money AND power hungry MEN yes MEN. it is made by WHABABI's! and In the quran, it also say LOVE THY NEIGHBOUR so converting into chritianiti isnt teh same -.- yes im a girl and i added and emoticon. im not gana say ANYTHING to the peopple who have negative thoughts of islam. you can't judge me. say what you want w/e peace be with you .. :{ and fatwa's are made people who are desperate and are equvilent to poeple who want to make there own 'cult' if you get my drift.
398 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:29 pm
no.1 muslims follow the Quran.
No.2 some muslims follow the hadith wich are like a book that scholers have tried to desifer from the SAID word of the beloved (muhammed) -pbuh- and also supported with the verses of the quran. and OMG about teh cloths on wil'st sex!!! my dad said sex is a holy thing and it is stated so in the quran surat yaseen (god forgive me if i have made a mistake in anything i say)
also…just for the record…in the quran IT DOES NOOOT NOT NOT SAY THAT IF YOU MARRY/RAPE A CHRISTIAN GIRL you get 4o virgins in heaven. if it says in the quran that rape and FORCED marriage is HARAM (FORBIDON AND WHO EVER DOES THIS WILL BURN IN HELL) so how can the '40 virgin' thing be true??!! makes me sick that 'MUSLIMS' degraid and defowel islam and make a bad name for humanity. :'(
399 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:32 pm
yeah THANKS someone can clear this..
TOTTALY agree..but please can you transalte 'dahaha' becuase then people will know what it means
thanks salaam
400 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:36 pm
'Dont judge a book by its cover' is'nt that an western saying??? hipocracy is everywhere -solom-
401 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:39 pm
nah its EVERWHERE (apart from soudi arabia it seems
)
ive never heard of them apart from the emoticon one…i generally lsiten to ma dad cuz it says in the quran 'listen to you're parents' :L
402 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:41 pm
errmm where in grass did you get THAT idea from…you're sarcasm (the name) is desterbing..not funny..nada…:|
403 NOORY*
July 21st, 2010 at 11:53 pm
firstly.. i know for a FACT that pakistan is no longer a muslim country, so they can cut the c**** about 'pork etc' and you are abslutly correct.. except the problem is, we as muslims, cannot speak on behalf of the action of the countries wich chose not to add the vacination..except I can say…its a fashion of 'uniqie-ism' as in to say, creating repression and feeding there power hungry souls. The just use islam as an exuse
404 NOORY*
July 22nd, 2010 at 12:01 am
ACTUALLy in the quran, there are a few scientific facts..also many great scientist and mathmatisons were muslims…GET YOU'RE FACT'S RIGHT..and yes i know i may have some speeling errors. oim Dislexic. if you don't believe me read wiki or search the net
actually ill give you an example in a sec
405 NOORY*
July 22nd, 2010 at 12:02 am
so you're NOT a muslim…do you even believe in ALLAH???…:S
406 M.E.T
July 23rd, 2010 at 8:37 am
these are corrupted people that get to keep there seats and get more loaded with cash and bribes by saying that or simply stupid and if they are they should give them an IQ test before they get to this position.
and for these fatwas well . . . . i can make a fatwa of my own too so can any one . . . . only the sad thing is that there are people trust these fatwas just they are from people in official positions.