There are 7 distinctly famous worldly wonders which inspire awe and demand intrigue, but mostly in the way of their unfathomable beauty. In Egypt, we have the Great Pyramids which to this day baffle even the most learned of engineers and architects, in their precision of construction and apparent lack of technological intervention (that is if you don’t buy the “ancient aliens” theories). In Arizona, we have the Grand Canyon, a profoundly gaping spectacle and standing proof of erosion’s mighty shovel. But in addition to these marvels of human and natural possibility, there also exists a darker counterpart: the creations and residuals of what less-than-admirable events have occurred during our collective human experience. These “infamous wonders of the world” must be noted, however, for we can only grow from, and build off, what hardships we endure and mistakes we make as people (the worst mistake of all is often ignorance). Here are the top ten of such infamous wonders:

This little wonder turned up last year in Guatemala in the wake of a tropical storm and has been growing ever since, feeding on every building in its grasp; even shoveling in rocks and miscellaneous debris has failed to plug up the swelling problem. A sinkhole is said to occur when soil layers beneath the top layer become too damp to support the inundating weight above and ultimately give way. The result is a hole that resembles a bottomless pit that leads straight to Hell, or at the very least, the resting place of some giant alien pod a la H.G. Wells’ War of the Worlds.

What better symbol than a looming cloud of filth to represent a careless race of environmentally-oblivious individuals who think not of the consequences of their waste. This very visible residue which can be witnessed over the city of L.A. is largely the product of vehicle emissions and industrial pollution. It goes without saying that smog is harmful to the ozone and general human health, not to mention the fact that it makes any city look like the setting of Ghostbusters 2.

Caging such notorious criminals as Al Capone and Robert Stroud (a.k.a. the “Birdman of Alcatraz), this facility, situated on its own island off San Francisco, boasted itself as the virtual Titanic of prisons. Several inmates managed to escape its confines (often unsuccessfully, as most were either recaptured, shot on sight or lost at sea). Inmates were frequently the worst of the worst: bootleggers, armed bank robbers, murderers and big name gangsters. All being much sought after guests of the Big House, they were each cordially invited to stick around for a while.

Entirely unethical and totally getting away with it, “Gitmo” is a detention facility located outside U.S. legal jurisdiction and away from the eyes of God. Cruel and unusual torture practices from “water-boarding” (simulated drowning) to blasting terrible music at deafening volumes have been used to extract information here. Just imagining the prospect of forcefully being exposed to Justin Bieber or The Jonas Brothers on loop induces chills.

Now a designated historical site, the original “Trail of Tears” was the interstate pathway where countless Native Americans (with the assistance of the Indian Removal Act set forth by President Andrew Jackson) were rounded up and forced to evacuate their homes, being herded into concentration camps and wherever else white settlers didn’t much care to build a saloon-having ghost town. As a result, many died – if they were not killed intentionally – of disease and starvation. A dark chapter in American history, it wouldn’t be the first or last time an entire race of humans was treated like cattle.

An ancient Roman city was almost lost as it became buried under layers of volcanic ash. Once it became unearthed, a portal to the daily lives of local citizens was opened up. Also unearthed were corpses striking death-poses, revealing their last configurations before so many were killed by the devastating, two day-long eruption of Mount Vesuvius, in 79 AD. While previously it was thought that these citizens-turned-living-sculptures were asphyxiated by an avalanche of ash, recent finding have suggested that cause of death may more likely have been attributed to high heat exposure.

A bad day in wartime history, countless innocents melted away when we dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima. A name like “Little Boy” is disingenuous given the massive, immediate and long-term destruction that was wrought (many of those exposed to the radiation are still suffering the horrifying side-effects). As if deteriorating flesh and structural disarray wasn’t enough of a scar on the city, shadows are permanently fixed all about, burnt-in imprints left behind like tanning bed tattoos, taking the shape of etched flowers on telephone poles and outlined guardrails on the streets. Some memories simply don’t wash away.

Ten years and a few days later, and the United States is picking up the pieces (in a matter of speaking) of what waste was made of the World Trade Center towers. Those with any connection to the tragic event relive it every year when the 9/11 specials and documentaries spill through the floodgates of news opportunism. Recently a cemented tribute, in the way of a memorial, was constructed so as to immortalize those fallen by displaying their names in engraved text.

There is a serious consequence to not vying for safer, more environmentally-friendly forms of energy generation (windmills, water turbines, etc.) in favor of nuclear energy: risk of meltdown. Before Japan taught us the risks of constructing dangerous power plants in earthquake-and-tsunami-prone hot spots, there was Chernobyl. In 1986, the world’s worst nuclear reactor disaster occurred in Ukraine, as the power plant exploded and released an abundance of radioactive material, which is still killing and crippling people to this day. Speaking of crippling effects, the Soviet Union’s economy was rigorously torn apart, effectively setting up the impending collapse of the USSR. After a spill like that, Paul McCartney’s lyrics are given a new, cynical meaning when he sings “I’m back in the USSR, you don’t know how lucky you are, boy.”

You can visit the Auschwitz historical museum whenever you want to step back in time – back to when genocidal monsters roamed freely about the earth. The largest of all the Nazi death camps during the Holocaust, Auschwitz was personally responsible for the death of over a million Jews (many other non-Jews were killed, in addition), and made for a sort of Marriot-from-Hell, wherein shower heads gushed poison gas in mock bathrooms, and crematoriums vacuumed up any evidence of an unpleasant stay. It’s good, in spite of all the unabashed evil, that the site has been restored and turned into a museum so future generations can learn what the human race is capable of.




















I find it really weird that the atomic bombing of Japanese cities is regarded as less than 9/11. One targeted one or two buildings and the other two whole cities, get my point?
I can definitely see that it is a very complex question, but I can see why 911 can be regarded as worse, for example:
The atomic bombings were conducted between two countries already at war.
The bombings resulted in cessation of hostilities.
Japan had the option to surrender, after which America ceased its attacks.
Etc.
Boilerplate internet comment disclaimer: I know the bombings were terrible events, I do not mean to get into a “futility of war” debate, nor can I give a definitive opinion of 1 being “better” or “worse” than the other, I can only present these points as relevant to your comment.
Oh, an afterthought, there was also a difference in the intention behind the attacks, the bombings were an attempt to defeat an enemy and to end the war whereas the towers were an attempt to “punish” the decadent west (or some super-complicated variation of that). That and tragedy is not always measured by the number of people killed.
Cheers.
That sinkhole is epic.
That is not a sinkhole. It’s called a “piping pseudokarst”
I think it’s probably BOTH.
shut up fags
This is probably one of the worst lists ever on Listverse. I learned nothing from it and I think every item is part of another list. Worthless and Epic Fail!!!!!
I took a look at the picture on the homepage and I was thinking golly. The entrance to hell(with fires burning the gases in Turkmenistan ) is not in this list though
1st……nice list!
Fail
Although disturbing, this is a well-written list. Thanks!
IMO this list is not properly defined. Only 4, 5 and 10 are appropriate for this list.
This list seemed like a big mess. In the intro the 7 wonders of the world are mentioned with the pyramids and the Grand Canyon given as examples? While perpetuating the claim that modern scientists are still completely baffled by the construction of the pyramids at that.
Then the list itself is just a mash-up of 10 seemingly random things, arbitrarily strung together. Nothing new to the site was presented here and no fresh incite was given. All in all, just a waste of time. Much like my comment I suppose.
*insight
suck my wang
I agree. The rest is just liberal crap.
Only an assclown starts slinging words like liberal around on a list comprised of places that have become infamous. The author didn’t grandstand about anything, mostly he just listed historical locations that have achieved macabre fascination in recent years.
I actually think this list is a poorly written, rambling mess. I believe this is because the author is attempting to sound intelligent and poetic but really just comes across as pretentious. Very hard to read indeed, sorry mate.
P.S. What’s it all about again?
I agree completely. Very disappointing.
Dealey Plaza
The Gulf of Mexico
Wounded Knee
Gettysburg
The Dakota
Calvary Hill
The Love C*****
Not a good list as wanted it to be.
I’d take water-boarding any day over some of the crap my Dad dished out when I was a kid. I don’t accept it as torture, especially in light of 9/11 and everything else done in the name of Allah. They get off lightly by comparison to, say, the soldiers burnt and hung from a bridge in Fallujah.
Still, good list.
Have you ever experienced waterboarding? And exactly which of the nine Iraqis held at Guantanamo was involved in the Fallujah Blackwater murders?
thank you bourdillon. It’s people like this that just perpetuate a constant cycle of violence that disgust me.
Amen.
No, I have not been waterboarded.
Have you been beaten with a wire coathanger? How about a foot-long section of hydraulic hose? How about being shot at by your old man? Or having your wrists bound, hung on a hook from a ceiling and then beaten with a broom handle until it broke? Want me to go on? I left Australia at age 20 because he promised yo kill me before my 21st.
I’m one of those “violence perpetuators”, I guess.
To hell with all of you.
I did submit a list a while ago, it’s not been published, but I’m not hanging around (oh, a pun!) to wait. Done with this site.
That is tragic, I am sorry that happenend, although my head says anyone can say anything on the internet, so careful with that – you wouldn’t want to use your best ammunition when the target is still out of range, if you like.
Do I think you’re a violence perpetuator? I really can’t say.
But I’d be lying if I said I couldn’t see the potential.
Good luck.
F*ck this ammunition talk. Real men work their problems out constructively, or if absolutely pushed, their fists. Pu$sies use guns, there’s nothing to pulling a trigger and causing pain long range, like all those nerds pulling shootings. And we’re supposed to fear these people when really they’re just weak and self-obsessed wimps who think they’re comic book villains or gods in their own heads. I’m sorry, but compassion leaves me for martyrs. Buck up, like I did, like tons of people do, and work it out without embarrassing yourself.
(@Drew)
Dude, it was a metaphor!
“Ammunition” was a metaphor for his experience with domestic abuse.
And wasting it was a metaphor for pulling it out in conversation at the slightest reason.
And yes I think its dubious that he brought it up on some internet comment board but at least I made an attempt to give the benefit of the doubt – hence what I meant with my, perhaps ill-advised, metaphor.
99% sure no one asked about your fabricated life story. Just sayin’.
100% sure his story was in response to the question if he’s ever been waterboarded. also 100% sure your comment is useless
Can we ban the saying, “Just sayin’ ” from the internet? It’s a ridiculously dumb thing to say and doesn’t even mean anything.
Nah man, to hell with YOU. Go speak to a psychiatrist or a lawyer. Plenty of us have been through brutal events and worse than you described and we don’t go seeking the attention of strangers over it, especially on the freaking internet.
They’re a bunch of insufferable liberals wracked with guilt, pay them no mind.
Using the word liberal like that is just like they used to ram the word communist down our throats in the 50′s and it’s pathetic. Do the word a favor and chew a razor blade you *****weasel.
P*ssy!
So you had a bad childhood and you were physically abused, you get to decide what constitutes torture without having experienced it? Cry me a river.
Don’t feed the troll
you talking ***** kid you a rich boy who wants to feel a bit of sympathy or something gtfo
At least we’re not cutting their heads off while they’re alive and posting it on the Internet, burying them alive, persecuting them because they don’t think like we do, torturing them, etc etc etc.
To destroy a monster, you must become a monster. Waterboarding is child’s play compared to what they do to Americans they capture.
“To destroy a monster, you must become a monster”
That’s why we went over and massacred all of the Germans after WW2…..oh wait, no we didn’t we gave them a fair trial to show the world that we were better than savages.
Realize that Muslim extremists have no country we can carpet bomb, force into submission, then prosecute its leaders for war crimes – like Germany. Plus, the wars aren’t over yet. One is naive to believe that this so-called “torture” is ineffective at stopping further attacks and/or gaining intelligence.
Comparing the current, ongoing conflicts against an extremist group of radical Muslims to the world’s response after Germany’s defeat in the conventionally-fought WWII is about as accurate as comparing the flight characteristics of an eagle to those of a jelly fish.
Uhm, did you ever study what happened to the SS units? Here a little hint, no quarter was give by the Russians or by our troops.
Bullamakanka you are so correct in your comment.
Sad to hear the comments on here. I always wondered why waterboarding is so popular when I can hold my breath for like 10 minutes. Did you hear about the sonic experiment which could make people c.rap themselves? No? The test subjects simply put their fingers in ther ears and carried on.
You can’t hold your breath for ten minutes.
It makes no difference how long you can hold your breath, they don’t just put your head underwater. They put a cloth on your face and pour water on it. This may sound lame, but it supposedly immediately makes you feel like drowning by causing a gag reflex. http://science.howstuffworks.com/water-boarding.htm
Oh, that Mythbusters video actually wasn’t that good, the picture of the protesters shows better what I meant. With the cloth around his head.
“The Love C*****”
Really?
Ha! I noticed that too. Maybe they thought you meant “birth c-a-n-a-l”, which of course, is also suspect since it’s so close to one’s dirty bits.
No, it’s just the A.nal word – it’s always bleeped out.
hahaha that sinkhole is NASTY!!
A security guard fell in it and died, *****.
Good List. The subject for the list is very vast, so I hope that the author would follow it up with more lists.
You lost me at ”careless race”.
What a bunch of hippie crap.
You do realise that the alternative is that we’re a loving, sensitive race which is well in tune with nature, right?
You do realize what a douchebag you are, right?
Ur such a red neck! Lol
Do you always criticize someone using your stereotype slurs?
And to Bourdillon – no we’re not a loving race in tune with nature, all lovey dovey little tree fairies in peace and harmony. It’s a matter of time before we destroy each other. A miracle we haven’t already…
chernobul is really historical .. but i do not agree with number one .. there are alot more wonders but to put it on top 1 is not acceptable . ( atleast for my opinion )
I get tired of gitmo … who gives a f about the people there, these are the people who have no problem putting a bomb next to an infant and strolling through a security gate on to injure 6 people and vaporize one baby and one idiot. …
Yeah – there’s innocents in normal prisons more worthy of attention, I’m sure.
Bull*****, only 11 of them have trialed, and been found unguilty. Even you could end up there if you tell the wrong person you hate the U.S.
You sir are a bit of an idiot. The prisoners there were suspects and suspects only, they’ve never had a trial and several have already been released after serving a few years for crimes they were never found guilty of to begin of. That place is an insult, how would you like being suspected of commiting a crime and being locked up for several years, not being given a trial, not having any real evidence against you and being completely innocent? What you’re doing is called racial profilling, you’ve seen a few Islamic extremists have blown up innocent people so you assume they’re all guilty based on their race and religion.
Maybe we should just start putting a bullet in their heads instead of dragging them to Gitmo. Hell, that’s what they would do (and DO do) to us.
You said doo doo
Racial profiling…let’s see…of what race were the individuals who attacked us? Were they children from Maine? Old ladies from Seattle? College students from New York? NO they were ALL ARABS. Therefore, logically, we must look more closely at ARABS. Given the limited time, resources, finances and training of the TSA, their efforts should be looking at those most likely, not least likely to do us the harm that the cowardly jihadists are still seeking to do.
You IDIOT. You sad pathetic rasist. Go surf on a tsunami or dance on a landmine.
I hope you drop KFC’s special sauce all over your white coat.
How is he an idiot and how is he a racist?
Oh sh*t, you can’t answer that, can you?
dave you are stupid, that is racist you moron. Judging someone by their ethnicity and assuming they are a terrorist? Prejudice… It looks like you’re an idiot and a racist if you can’t see that.
He has a point Arsni. All the guys from 9/11 and the WTC attack in 1993 and the shoe and underwear bomber and the FT Hood freak were ALL brown skin, dark hair and dark eyes from the middle east or nearby. More than 1/2 of them were named Mohammed. So so does it make more sense to pull a guy from the middle east out of line at the airport or a 6 year old girl? I’m not saying right or wrong, I’m just tired of people being all PC.
Racism ≠ prejudice.
I’m not racist.
I am, however, prejudiced. You are too. Because prejudice is a built-in human feature meant to protect us.
If there’s an Arab guy named Muhammad Akhmed Hussein Al-Kinza, it is in the best interest of everyone to scrutinize him more than a white guy, black guy, Asian or Indian guy. Let’s be honest here, there aren’t too many Buddhists blowing up planes, are there?
(@Dave)
erm…Racism = prejudice based on race
In other words, if you assume someone is more likely to be a terrorist because of his race, this is racism.
In no way are there enough Islamic/brown terrorists to justify treating anyone with either of those two characteristics as a suspect without any other indication.
FYI, you’d be surprised how many Christian arabs and white Muslims there are.
(@ p1t1o)
This isn’t entirely true.
Racism, strictly speaking is the belief that one race is superior to another based on genetics and as such is based purely on race.
Searching a middle easterner at the airport is profiling they are different.
Modern usage has turned racism into a derogatory word thrown around a lot even when its inappropriate.
(@In the Ether)
Meh, I don’t that much difference between our two definitions. You’re right about some words being thrown about willy-nilly and losing their original meaning, but even if I’m wrong about the strict definition, alarm bells are ringing in this case.
Now I’m not sure either way if the TSA is institutionalising racism, airport security must be a tough gig, but what dave said about racism not being prejudice, that’s what I’m aiming at.
except it is not the Arabs that get sent there any kind of muslim or ever anyone with brown skin.my friends who were hindus got detained for hours. that’s just plain old racism.
No it’s just plain old smart,sorry political correctness doesn’t count when lives are at stake.
I didn’t realize if a few idiots decides to do stupid crap, others of the same race are consider idiots as well. I also didn’t realize one single event justify brutality and inhuman activities. What? we don’t have Christian extremists here all of a sudden?
@daniel if it was smart then why dint US keep tabs on white guys when the Irish were blowing stuff up in UK. IRA had a foot print in us and got a lot of money from then, where were the smarts then? .how many terrorist acts were commited by brown guys in US and how many by white?
@Odin Because they didn’t do any terrorists acts in the US and had no reason to obviously. I lot of terrorists and less than stellar organizations have a footprint here,its a big country. However if they show no intention of doing any damage to this country why should they be profiled? If the IRA did conduct terrorists acts on US soil I would have no problem with Irish nationalists getting preferred screening at airports. And I don’t know the exact statistics of terrorism by color. However I do know that there is not a concerted effort on the part of some white organization to conduct regular terrorists acts on American soil. And color shouldn’t matter as much as nationality anyway. So someone who is white by the name of Abdul Muhammad Akbar with dual citizenship in Iran should get preferred screening over someone who you call “brown” people.
@daniel so as long as US doesn’t get attacked , you don’t care what happens anywhere else? no wonder Americans are hated so much.
@Odin
Except that they are not
Spoken like someone how has never travel abroad. I’ve been to 15 countries, even ones that were are allied with and there is never a shortage of anti-American sentiment in any of them. America in generally considered as a stuck up, self serving bully that pushes the rest of the world as they look down at it. As an American, I can’t honestly disagree.
Only 6% of terrorist attacks on U.S. soil from 1980 to 2005 were carried out by Islamic extremists. The remaining 94% were from other groups (42% from Latinos, 24% from extreme left wing groups, 7% from extremist Jews, 5% from communists, and 16% from all other groups).
http://www.fbi.gov/stats-services/publications/te…
Educate before you demonstrate, because when you state falsehoods that are easily disproved, you immediately loose all credibility in the debate.
@Daniel Ever hear of ELF of the Eath Liberation Front, it was an american home grown terrorist group, comprised mostly of white middle class college kids. Yeah their leader is serving life in prison for a blowing up a bunch of SUV’s
I met a few members at a party once, they were Manson Family level weird.
I think that counts as one group of white people considered domestic terrorists by the US. One of the guys i talked too kept rambling on about the FBI watching him all the time. True strory believe it or not.
that hole is a total beast.
Morbid topic but at least it’s interesting. Great job.
About number nine. But Los Angeles air is probably not the worst in the world. For fun I can link to this blog entry, by The Guardians Jonathan Watts, about the day then US embassy in Beijing announces that the air pollution in the city was “crazy bad”. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/blog/2010/n… Of course, the wording “crazy bad” was most likely a joke.
I hear Athens is also notoriously bad sometimes.
Auschwitz has become more like a tourist attraction nowadays…
Hense ‘Infamous Wonder’ (i.e. something shocking which draws people from all over the world)
Centralia, Pa rates as an honorable mention. That underground coal mine fire turned the place into a veritable ghost town. I believe that the USPS even revoked the city’s zip code. Wonder if some residents that planted a time capsule there in 1966 still plan to return to open it in 2016? Somehow I doubt it.
Oh, yeah. That should have been on this list.
People still live there, as far as I know. They’re crazy, of course.
Only one or two are still there. Most of the town has actually been torn down, but it is still a fascinating place to visit.
You don’t need a historical museum to remind you of what the human race is capable of to extreme extents –
Just visit Palestine and see what the genocides the JEWS are doing. Anyone who say other than that, probably is living in europe or US and being brainwashed by the MEDIA
Palestine is a God-forsaken hell hole because of the uncivilized Allah worshipers who sadly stopped evolving 1500 years ago.
You take that back. I live in Europe and we get a fairly good picture of what is going on. Tough I have to admit that there is something very wrong with U.S. broadcasting. They never give you the real picture … and most of them don’t have a clue what is going on in there on country.
No, sadly there is a huge media black-out in the U.S. in regard to the reality’s in other nations. I never realized how distinct it was until I travel abroad. Simply stunning.
anything the Jewish people do is in defense of they’re right to exist. because you and your animal friends have been trying to eradicate them forever. you and your family deserve whatever hell Isreal brings you.
believe whatever you want to help you sleep at night dude. We’re not as innocent and guilt free like we think we are
“back to when genocidal monsters roamed freely about the earth”
That’s the one thing that always disturbs me when people talk about the Holocaust and the Nazis: speaking of it as if it was an exceptional anomaly, as if genocide was behind us, nothing to worry about, we’re good.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocides_in_history#1951_to_2000
Exactly what came to mind when I got to that part of the list.
You forgot Gaza where the Palestinians are treated as second class citizens, abused and persecuted.
Just to let everyone know! LA is not that dirty anymore. We got a lot better now. Thank you for you’re time.
That’s great to know, cause the thought of that smog is nauseating x_x
I can’t take it anymore. The smog occurs because of the cool air from the ocean and the mountains and the hot air from where the state is located (california is HOT) near the equator. That’s why you see the smog in the mornings.
I am from Chicago, I hate California and everything about it, but saying the smog is all pollution is entirely false.
I am from Chicago, I hate California and everything about it
Good, stay away then. There’s too many Midwestern transplants here already. This January I’ll be out in my backyard in shorts, a t-shirt, and sunglasses, sipping a margarita in your honor, while you’re digging your sorry a.ss out of a snow-bank.
Smog is a type of air pollution; the word “smog” is a portmanteau of smoke and fog. Modern smog is a type of air pollution derived from vehicular emission from internal combustion engines and industrial fumes that react in the atmosphere with sunlight to form secondary pollutants that also combine with the primary emissions to form photochemical smog. Smog is also caused by large amounts of coal burning in an area caused by a mixture of smoke, sulfur dioxide and other
In other words, you have no idea what you are talking about asshat.
Who is time?
These sites are absolutely AMAZING. The human statues and imprinted shadows are amazingly creepy <3.
5 of my family members died in auschwitz and my grandfather managed an escape. Sadly he died before I got to know him. But he is memorialized in a tape we have of him being interviewed by Steven Spielberg for his movie Schindler's List.
In a word, bull*****.
HOW WOULD YOU KNOW! Keep it to yourself if you can’t be a decent human!
Auschwitz wasn’t really shown in Schindler’s List.. Correct me if I’m wrong but the only scene that took place there wasn’t really long and only involved the women..
So what are you getting at? I don’t know if Azrael’s story is true or not, but your statement here does nothing to disprove or discredit it (if that’s what you were trying to do). Why wouldn’t Spielberg be interested in interviewing any holocaust survivor while researching his movie, even if the interviewee might not have been detained at Płaszów?
Hm, a good, if rather US centric list
Most lists with the “10 bad things” angle are U.S centric. Not saying U.S is great, but considering we’re talking about the entire span of both human history and the world (for many lists, not just this one), it’s kind of obnoxious to see the U.S 4-5 times in a single list.
I’ve been to the Auschwitz a few years ago and the one thing that I remember the most and made me sick is a room displaying glasses, shoes, brushes and other accessories taken from the prisoners. There was also a pile of hair, cut from the prisoners’ heads and if I remember correctly nazis used the hair make some sorth of cloth material. Disgusting!
Nice list btw, I was just hoping there would be more not-so-well-known wonders
***** list. knew everything on here
I usually disagree with the US-centric arguments people post in the comments, but 7 out of the 10 entries on this were centered around the US. I wouldn’t normally complain but the title of the list does suggest this is a whole world thing. When the author presents it quite the opposite way:
“A bad day in wartime history, countless innocents melted away when WE [ should be America] dropped the first atomic bomb on Hiroshima.”
Interesting list, but a bit too opinionated (I say this even though I agree with most of the opinions). This site prides itself on being objective, and the writer should take a cue from objective writers like Flamehorse
this website is the most certainly not objective by any stretch of the imagination. you must have just started reading. THIS list represents their ideals and agenda perfectly.
I disagree. The founder of this site is very conservative.
objective writers like Flamehorse
lol
My thoughts exactly!
I started reading listverse way back and this has been bugging me for a while. it’s not just one of the writers it’s a lot of you. enough with the America bashing it makes you look ignorant. yea America has it’s issues but compared to rest of the “civilized” world we still sit comfortably on a moral high ground. dont come back trying to refute this, again it will only display your ignorance. I’ve read so many lists about palestine (I didn’t capitalize it because it’s not a country) how those people treat eachother, their women, and enemy soldiers is morally repugnant. and you’re going to talk about water boarding? you understand that they’re just pouring water on people with ZERO chance of injury? not quite the same as sleeping on dirt, going through mock executions, and regular beatings until they finally cut your head off. I don’t know maybe you’re a fan of raping women and then stoning them to death for adultery. good job keep talking about bad Americans are.
I think we all know that a lot more than waterboarding has been done to terror SUSPECTS by the USA. But your arguement that we’re not as bad as the real bad guys doesn’t mean you shouldn’t be criticised for the bad that you do.
Oh and I think Palestine should have a capital letter no matter what your political (or geographical) stand point is because it is a proper noun. Ignorant is as ignorant does. No wait, that’s meant to be stupid.
I’m sorry, if it’s not a country and not their religion how exactly is it a proper noun? you can’t just make up words and call them proper nouns. and I said we have our issues I never claimed we didn’t, my point is that this website is so anti-American and anti-semetic it’s nauseating.
Is the capitalisation of Palestine that big a deal? The rules on it seem quite lax, although I’d be tempted to give them the capital, I typed it like that just there out of instinct.
For example, other capitalised non-country non-religions:
London
America (the continent)
Earth (the planet)
The fact that you made an excuse mid-sentence and then posted another explanation afterwards, though, tells something about yourself.
For the record, earth isn’t capitalized, unless in a list with the other planets. An unfortunate grammar rule I prefer not to follow, but technically, earth isn’t supposed to be capitalized.
(@Dave)
DAMN!
Also, you exactly *can* make up words and call them proper nouns…
For example, I could name my son Zoodie, and that would require a capital.
the only thing it tells me is that you needed an explanation and the other post was for someone else. so maybe try following the conversation buddy. and the fact that you’re best rebuttal argument is about the capitalization is sad. and while my grammar isn’t perfect, you really do need a lesson on proper comma and quotation mark usage
(@anthony)
Meh. The first thing I said about the capitalisation thing was that I questioned how much a big deal it was, so if you’re right then you’re right, I’ll let someone else pick that up.
And I’d be the first to admit that my comma usage isn’t perfect, what of it? You still understood me right? And I didn’t resort to attacking your english skills either, which are frankly beside the point.
Israel currently occupies the physical land that one might have referred to as Palestine, true, but the State of Palestine still exists as an entity and is referred to as Palestine.
In response to P1t10, it isn’t a big deal but as he mentioned it – and was clearly wrong – I thought I’d help him to learn. Probably a pointless venture but I thought I’d give it ago. Oh and Zoodie’s quite a cool name. I like it.
it exists as a anti Isreal terrorist organization. please excuse me for not capitalizing their name
Anthony I’ve read that CIA agents have undergone waterboarding for training and the longest anyone has lasted is 12 seconds. Get a friend to waterboard you..correctly. Then come back and post. I promise you will have different feelings towards it afterwards.
It’s become really hard to define the moral high ground when we as a country (political backstabbing, weal.th gaps, societal issues, environmental negligence, crime rate…etc…) have failed to attain it. We may not be as barbaric as areas like Palestine (it’s capitalized because it is a named region), but unlike them we have had historical gains of cultural enlightenment. Not too long ago we were treating minorities and women like second class citizens…all this virtually disappeared because of our progressive culture. Areas that haven’t undergone this and have been stuck in the same non-modern degree of thought will of course revert back to their traditions as a society which involve harsh punishment and unequal treatment of women and foreigners. Islamic Terrorists are simply the bastard child of this same thing, albeit in a very extreme fashion. Just because one group of people decide to live a way in contrast to our group of ethics doesn’t necessarily make them any more or less moral to us, we’re both different kinds of *****up.
Wait, did you just say that waterboarding isn’t as bad as mock executions because there’s no chance of injury?
Mock executions, by definition, don’t cause injury. In fact, waterboarding IS a mock execution.
Plus, some prisoners aren’t treated much better than sleeping on the dirt. Aside from prison not being a very comfortable place, at least you’re allowed to SLEEP when you’re sleeping on the dirt.
You didn’t capitalize Palestine in order to insult Palestinians. It’s garbage to say that it’s because it isn’t a country. Florida isn’t a country, either. Scotland isn’t a country. Would you leave those uncapitalized? No way.
did I say water boarding was fun? I dont remember typing that but ok. it’s supposed to suck , that’s why they do it. and no it wasn’t an insult. it isn’t a proper noun. it’s an entirely fictional word.
I realise that this is pointless and I’ll probably regret asking but can you please justify that? How is Palestine a fictional word? I just want to know how you come to that conclusion.
How can you seriously postulate it’s a fictional word?
It had been used as early as Roman times to describe the areas of Galilee, Judea & Samaria.
And, in extremis, the latest would be 1921 by the British Empire, who actually had British passports / papers for Palestine proper.
You are entitled to your opinions on the matter, but facts have precedence.
it is a word I got a little over zealous with my insulting palestine.it’s just that I make a conscious effort to try and not recognize terriost organizations as legitimate nations sorry.
scotland IS a county, moron!
Lol, I was thinking the same thing.
Just wanna leap in a say that Scotland is a country! Thats all
lol! You want to bash on another region/group of people, but you don’t think others should do the same because it is the country YOU’RE living in? Also, no visible injuries = better than beheading? I’d rather have my head chopped off instea of suffering through mock executions/torture…unless you’ve experienced otherwise, enlighten me if that’s the case.
“You understand that they’re just pouring water on people with ZERO chance of injury?”
Do you even know what waterboarding is? It’s one of the most brutal ways of torture! ZERO chances of injury my a.ss!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding
True that these are more of the darker side of “wonders” of the world. That sink hole is just creepy. I wouldn’t want to get anywhere near it. (Same with the Grand Canyon and I live in that state) I have a book that goes to describe all of the accounts of the bombs being dropped on Japan and the effects of what that cost…one of the pictures was similar to number 4. Those pictures will still haunt me. Very sad.
I don’t think number 7 should be on here…it’s not like they are animals in a zoo. They are suspects, detained without a trail. Not good.
Overall this was an interesting list.
and you are either not American or maybe you are and haven’t yet lost someone close to you at the hands of what can only be described as savages. they’re not prisoners like they got caught shop lifting, they’re prisoners OF WAR so maybe you should do some actually research, see how “bad” they were all treated at gitmo when the fact of the matter is they could have and most likely should have been killed on sight seeing as how they’re enemy combatants who were trying very hard to kill Americans. they should all be so lucky to get captured and sent to a tropical island.
Um…..did you read my post? I clearly state that I live in AZ…where the Grand Canyon is? Epic fail on your part.
As for losing someone close…yeah I have. However, we aren\’t doing a good job of trying this people…just keeping them around. It\’s been enough time and we need to get off our collective fat asses and do something about them, instead of treating them like zoo animals.
Should they have been taken out right away? Won\’t argue with you on that point. Keeping them around like some damn attraction? That is just not humane. We are supposed to be BETTER than that…not on the same level.
Get it now?
*****. yea that was my bad. but please go down to cuba. gitmo is a pleasure resort
Half of the list is anti-American, many of which I would debate as a “wonder” of any world.
>> Entirely unethical and totally getting away with it, “Gitmo” is a detention facility located outside U.S. legal jurisdiction and away from the eyes of God
Absolutely, totally untrue. GITMO is under US Military Jurisdiction, which is under the jurisdiction of the Federal Government.
I disagree. I don’t think it’s anti-American, I just think it’s written by a liberal American, who the things in America are more prominent to.
It’s pointless to speculate whether the poster is an American liberal to the point of stupidity or not. What we can *****yze is what is contained in the article itself regardless of the poster’s motives or national affiliation.
Consider then that the poster has the freedom to write about any subject ever to be depicted in all of human history from every corner that humans have ever colonized this Earth. With that in mind, one can expect that the United States, barely 250 years old would play almost no role in that respect yet somehow MIRACULOUSLY, the United States managed to become affiliated with half of the items on this list.
But, my idea of what should be the focus of this article is too broad I know. (Considering the author includes Pompeii which occurred about 2000 years ago, I doubt this very much, even controlling for the idea that the remnants of Pompeii can still be seen today). Perhaps the author wanted to take a more “modern” approach (even though Trail of Tears was from the 19th century) lets just pretend that his aim was the near present.
Hitler’s attempted eradication of millions of cultural groups: 1 entry with a historical soft-spoken tone
Soviet Union’s political eradication of millions of people from hundreds of differing cultural groups using pre WWII technology to recklessly rebuild the countries they destroyed: 1 entry with a pro-environment message wrapped up with a nice joke about Paul McCartney….yaaaaay…..
China’s political eradication of millions of Asians with dangerous and inhumane ethical treatment of their citizenry: 0 entries
African genocides such as Rwanda: 0 entries
English enslavement of Indian culture and populace during the late 1800s : 0 entries
Japanese mass killing of thousands of Chinese during WWII: 0 entries
etc etc.
What we have are SIX American affiliated entries.
1 Nazi Germany
1 Soviet Era ecological disaster
1 Roman Empire ??
and
1 Guatamala: ???? Sink holes are bad
Therefore, what we can deduce is that this list is very blatantly and unabashedly anti-American to the point that it becomes a medium of political diatribe rather than a survey of human culture as a whole (which is the theoretical point of this entire website). This article does a bad job, not only of espousing information, but of making a point to be objective about what is
“Infamous”, “Wonder” and ” World”, because half of the things on this list do not even come close to being described by these words.
9/11 a tragedy? The word tragedy makes me think of those killed in automobile accidents or in natural disasters or by cancer. 9/11 wasn’t a tragedy. That makes it sound like the towers fell on their own. 9/11 was deliberate murder.
As for Israel committing genocide, if that’s what they are doing (which they are not) then they are very bad at it: The population in the occupied territories is growing (because of the birthrate). Now I’m no expert in math but it seems to me that if you are trying to wipe out a group of people you don’t do it by letting their population GROW.
If the Allies had invaded Japan instead of dropping two atomic bombs, the death toll would have been far greater. More Japanese civilians would have died in an invasion as well as thousands upon thousands of Allied troops. Dropping atomic bombs was ugly but saved thousands of lives.
Usual listverse liberal pro-jewish brigade.
Spare me your thoughts.
We need a more diversity in the comment section.
yes hitler was bad
yes we are destroying our planet
but who cares I and everyone reading this list will be dead in less than 100 years.
hey everyone we found the sand n****r
Jee-zus, I hope you’re a troll too…
I hope you’re a troll…
I know you hope that, what I said was mean and vulgar I won’t deny it. but the Jew hater I was saying it to richly deserved it so I won’t apologize for it.
Fair point, but you know there is no difference between a jew-hater and an arab-hater.
There’s enough madness in the world without adding to it.
I’m not hating Arabs as a general people, not at all I but anyone who takes any kind of stance against Isreal will get nothing but hate from me.
(@anthony)
Ok, you claim to be on the level, thats fair, and sure I see where your anger comes from, but using terms like sand-n****r sure makes you sound like a racist.
yea I’m a little irritable when I miss my wake n bake. poor word choice maybe but at least I used a bunch of asterisks
(@anthony)
Fair play, happens to us all.
“…back to when genocidal monsters roamed freely about the earth…”
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But they still do!
Except that there is a fair number of detainees you have since been found entirely innocent.
Oh I’m not some anti-gitmo who protests at the slightest prisoner discomfort, but it is the perfect breeding ground for corruption and fanaticism, some describe it as a concentration camp – truly I am unsure if I would describe it as such, but the parallels are obvious.
Sure, arrest combatants and terror suspect, sure they deserve harsh treatment and just punishment and if they have information that can save lives then get it out of them.
But doing it all offshore, where no one can see, under the watch only of the military, suspects held without trial, surrounded by soldiers who may have seen friends killed and are used to operating only under the rules brought down by the command structure that runs the place?
I’d say that the likelyhood of some pretty unjust things happening is pretty high.
Not because terrorists don’t deserve harsh things, but because you don’t have to be a terrorist to get to gitmo, and because there can be a difference between justice and revenge.
It can’t be…someone on the Internet with SENSE???
Pleased to meet you
dude they are prisoners of war, they aren’t guaranteed anything and they don’t share our rights and if a few innocent people get caught up then I’m sorry. but if it means I can get up go work and not worry about some fanatic blowing himself up in a crowd than you know I’m not guna lose any sleep over it. if it wasnt for all the just oh so horrible things were doing to these people maybe we’d have been attacked again. maybe your family would be counted among the dead. maybe that’s the only thing that will wake you up to the fact that it’s a war and sometimes in war good people fall too. it’s not ideal but it’s certainly better than the alternative
Ok, I understand where you are coming from, I agree with you that those culpable deserve the full weight of what they have coming to them.
But I disagree strongly with the morals that you seem to be using.
Their classification as POWs is questionable, many of them are terror *suspects*, and the law has been bent so that very little evidence is required and they can be detained almost indefinitely. Other than that, you should know, POWs do actually have rights.
And this statement:
..if a few innocent people get caught up then I’m sorry.
Is selfish, arrogant, callous and almost entirely contradictory to the moral high ground you claim to have.
You can’t fight evil with evil. Break the cycle.
Maybe my family would be counted among the dead? Maybe instead they would get “caught up”, but at least you’d be “sorry”.
And lastly, I tried to make it clear in my post that I am actually quite, quite strongly against the whole “terrorism” thing, we over here in London didn’t escape scot-free you know – It is the treatment of anyone even resembling an arab that I object to, if the overall opinion is that all brown-skinned folk are responsible for 9/11 then why not go the whole hog, pull out the nukes and join them?
Because, deep down, somewhere, you know that that would be wrong. I hope.
All this is of course my opinion, I don’t mean to offend.
I’m not now or ever was bashing Arabs as a people but would you be willing to lay down yours and your families lives to try and break that cycle? I wouldn’t, maybe that is selfish but that’s life dude. if someone threatens me or my family I don’t care what country they’re from, they’re going to eat the barrel of my gun.
Exactly how threatened do you feel?
Do you percieve the only options to be gun-in-mouth or cowardice?
Note that when I said “break the cycle” I did not say that any military action is unjustified.
But if every military action that the US has taken is completely just, then I’m a fool. I say this in full knowledge that the armed forces of my own country have been a part of some very unpleasant actions. I am able to acknowledge and disaprove of this, even whilst remaining loyal to them and supporting brave troops everywhere, of any country.
You talk too much. You say things you couldn’t possible know and ask questions you have no right to, and you think I ought to answer questions that I could not possibly know the answer to.
Fine, feed someone your gun, see what happens.
thats the point, I dont feel threatened, because of the actions of our military I get have the luxury of not having feel threatened daily. obviously violence isn’t preferable I’m not a war monger, but go try and talk a suicide bomber out of blowing up himself and those school kids. see what happens
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Perhaps we have moved a little off topic, I am not against a military response, but this particular thread started with me questioning the validity of the Guantanamo Bay detention camp and what goes on there.
I’m not questioning the need to root out terrorism, to fight, if necessary, even take the offence, I am only questioning how “suspects” are chosen and how they are processed.
I also question anyone who is blinded by anger or speaks too quickly or nonchalantly about the commision of violence.
Violence, when necessary, should be cold, calculated. And not some teen soldiers giving the jackboots to someone detained against his will, who just happened to be in the wrong place, at the wrong time, with the wrong coloured skin.
Am I sure this happens, no. How could I be, the whole thing is kept from view, but perhaps this is necessary for national security.
Do I think it is probable though? Yes, definitely.
Our only hope is that someone decent was very careful about how to staff Guantanamo.
yea we did dude, I see your point and I agree that actual innocent people shouldn’t be getting “tortured” but the fact is simply that the bad guys want to kill us and they won’t give up they’re terrorist friends because we’re being nice to them. also we shouldn’t forget that if you ended up in gitmo SOMETHING connected you to a terrorist group whether or not you were aware of it. we’re not picking up random Arabs and detaining them. obviously this could be as simple as having the same name or something but these are the trials of war finding the bad guys isn’t always cut and dry
Oh yeah, they deserve harsh treatment. Waterboarding. Which was done by the Spanish Inquistion and the Khmer Rouge. They were lovely people. And Americans still think waterboarding is just “water poured over your face so it`s no big deal.” Would THEY let themselves be waterboarded? No, thought not. Hell, if it`s good enough for the worse Jew killers before Hitler and a genocidal monter, who killed over 2 million people, it`s good enough for us right?
Just to be clear, I said that terrorists deserve harsh treatment.
Being a detainee at gitmo is not the same as being a terrorist.
If it appeared vague, I did not condone the waterboarding of detainees at gitmo.
To be honest I’m not sure how I feel about waterboarding, hence I didn’t mention waterboarding in my post.
Yes, well a lot of people have been saying that waterboarding is harsh treatment. That`s what I thought you were on about. And in my opinion, we SHOULDN`T torture people. We meant to be “the Good Guys,” right? And weren`t the Japanese war-criminals for what they did to POW`s? My personal view, however, I don`t believe in “war-crimes.” War is war. people say Hitler was a war-criminal because he killed 6, million Jews. Er-Jews have been persecuted for centuries.
Er-Wat? I don’t even…
I knew me and p1t1o would agree eventually he’s a good dude
(@anthony)
I know, what is UP with this… I can’t even start.
Say, sir, you may be the most neutral, open minded commenter I’ve ever seen on this site
hehe, cheers! Not too neutral I hope!
you are awesome. that is all
good list, though I hate to break it to you but genocidal monsters still roam freely about the Earth.
Little Boy and Fat Man ended the war that Japan started. If they had not been dropped the war would have gone on and on and many more Japanese would have died than died because of the 2 bombs (not to mention many more Americans would have died). All of Japan would have eventually been demolished instead of just 2 cities. Ironically, in the grand scheme of things one of the best things that ever happened to the country of Japan is having 2 A-bombs dropped on them. It isn’t difficult logic to reach that obvious conclusion, but many people can’t (or won’t) think it through.
You seem to making assumptions which are not particularly based on fact. The problem with looking at “history” and coming to conclusions based on what you have read is that history is written by the winners (there are *no* winners in war) and, as such, is a reflection of what the winners want to say about themselves.
Huh? What assumptions are incorrect? Japan started the war. The A-bombs ended the war. If the war had not ended because of the A-bombs, the USA would have invaded Japan and defeated them the old-fashioned slow way. Because Japan would have continued to fight well beyond when most (if not all) countries would surrender (Hell, it took a 2nd bomb to convince them!), WAY more Japanese would have died and the country would have been destroyed WAY more. I’d bet it would be hard to find many Japanese who would dispute any of these “assumptions” as being anything but fact.
I’ve not followed this comment to-and-fro, but FYI, if the Hiroshima and Nagasaki did not spur the Japanese to surrender, the Americans were going to drop nuke after nuke until they did – in other words not exactly the “slow” way – The A-bomb drops did save a great deal of lives though, in my opinion, Japanese lives ironically.
If that even is irony, who even knows what irony is anymore…
These are not assumptions, they are pretty much historical facts. He’s right; the dropping of the bombs was less brutal than the invasion of Japan would have been.
I agree that the policies of Japan based on Samurai and Shogun fighters was never to surrender so it would have been pretty difficult to bring them down, but still….. it is easy to justify the repercussions of the events which we have never experienced ourselves.
You know, still people are dying because of the genetic defects caused by the A-Bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Anyone who is still dying because of the A-bombs has lived a pretty damn long life already.
“You know, still people are dying because of the genetic defects caused by the A-Bombs in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.”
The veracity of this statement is dubious.
It has been shown that the bombs caused injury to babies that were in the womb at the time, but that the genetic damage caused was not of the kind that could be passed-down.
Because of this fact, a survivor would be 75 years old *minimum* today, and any cancers/birth defects would have indicated soon after the bursts.
There are other more complicated factors, but you get my point.
I do not intend to down-play, in any way at all, the devastation and injury caused by the bombs.
You seem to be making assumptions based on ignorance. Japanese Government Documents made public decades ago tell of how Japan was determnined to continue the war to the last living Japanese citizen on its own home soil…even after the bomb was dropped at Hiroshima. IN addition, training regiments had already been going on teaching the Japanese citizenry still in Japan how to conduct warfare against the impending invading U.S. military. The bombs ended the war, and saved more lives than they took.
Nice list, I think a second one is in order to share a few more. There seems to be plenty to come up with according to the comment.
Strained style, but fine enough. Ground zero doesn’t look it anymore.
Auschwitz is kinda pointless being opened as a musuem, its just grief tourism. Not to mention that monsterous people still exist and there are genocides occurring to this day.
Despite how awful the holocaust was, the world didn’t learn a goddam thing from it.
Good list, born and raised in San Francisco and I have yet to go visit Alcatraz. I think of it as a tourist destination and SF sure gets a ton of them, urgh.
The events (wonders? I don’t think that its the right word) horrific and the physical items impressive to be sure, but the list was meh. At the subject matter mostly hadn’t been covered before.
A pretty good list despite a fairly clear bias. Author needs to seriously brush up on Chernobyl (stop blaming nuclear power, blame the government that wanted to run it on a $20 budget. And the area is recovering rather well).
The list would have been better if the author kept their personal bias from oozing into nearly every sentence.
That’s the reoccurring MO of this particular writer.
Genocidal monsters STILL roamed freely about the earth.
This list reeks of someone who claims to be politically active but only advocates what they hear and not what they know.
i can’t understand why so much *****ing about Guantanamo, i mean the terrorists want to kill all the americans in the world and still americans do not agree with Guantanamo Bay purpouse. some of the taliban terrorists were brought and imprisoned (by CIA) here in my country (Romania) and i say *****’em, torture them, kill them, or whatever needs to be done to get rid of them.
Just a little clarification. The Sinkhole, while impresive, has not been swallowing buildings. It swallowed one three story structure when it opened. that’s it. Also it has been covered. It took a few months and a whole lot of concrete, but it is closed.
I’m pretty sure genocidal monsters still walk the earth…
Great list, Ryan – and thanks for taking the time and effort to write it. You could, of course, have just sat at a computer, criticizing those who aren’t lazy and illiterate (as so many on this site do), but instead you made the effort and turned in a fun list. It is greatly appreciated.
really dude? your either a fan of super dry British humor or youre friends with the author of this propaganda piece
Gas wasn’t pumped through the shower heads in Auschwitz. The heads weren’t connected to anything. Gas was administered through vents.
two things:
1. gitmo is not at all “getting away with it.” the supreme court has held that it is considered US soil and the protections of the US Constitution apply to it. see boumediene v. bush.
2. nuclear energy is actually quite safe and effective. chernobyl is a tragic exception due in large part to disregard of safety and design defcts.
“back to when genocidal monsters roamed freely about the earth.” Hmmm, not sure about that, google Robert Mugabe.
Good list though, I never knew about the little boy’s shadow, I heard about a little girl who said the same happened to her father.
“Little Boy” wasn’t referring to any one little boy, although that did look a lot like the shadow of a boy. The names of the bombs were Little Boy and Fat Man. So the term “Little Boy’s Shadow” refers to the burn marks all over the area.
Enter your comment here.
Some find it interesting to gawp at disaster, hense ‘infamous’ wonders.
I thought this was a pretty average list – not bad but by no means amazingly good. I understand why most of these items were chosen as infamous wonders, and totally agree with #1.
I feel #2 and #7 are stretching the topic a bit seeing as these are not tourist attractions like the others; however infamous they may be. The only ‘wonder’ in these is perhaps wondering how they get away with it…?
Also, this list is horribly biased. Try writing with a neutral stance instead of a liberal anti-American voice. This list would have been much better without that tone.
PS. I’m with Anthony!!! Well said sir. And yes, before the rest of you start ranting, I am very educated.
nice I thought I was alone here
“…before the rest of you start ranting, I am very educated.”
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Defensiveness denounces fear.
A terrible list!
re: #9 and this comment from the item…”What better symbol than a looming cloud of filth to represent a careless race of environmentally-oblivious individuals who think not of the consequences of their waste…”
Just more of the usual cr*p from those who have no grasp of the facts. Los Angeles, very much as a result of the geography, has suffered from “air pollution” going back to (at least) the 1800s.
“Smog” appears in a January 19, 1893, Los Angeles Times article and there are references to identical phenomena much earlier.
I found this list filled with similar, self-serving, subjective opinions. This list is filled with personal opinion at the cost of fact.
There is too much wrong with this list for me to comment completely, but I notice several others have pointed out similar errors.
I’m there, in fact I can’t recall a worse list, not only I can come up with 10 better items in 20 seconds, but the writing, investigation and criteria is deplorable.
Definitely a choice for “Ten worst lists on Listverse”
Amen.
I’m not sure I understand your objection. Are you saying that because the air has been polluted a long time, that makes it okay?
I like how this anthony fellow is literally pooping all over the comments.
This list is ridiculous. The recent few were awesome. This one is definitely NOT winning a Mac book
Would have been a more interesting list if facts did not roll away on the heavy slant.