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Top 10 Astonishing Miracles

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[WARNING: some images may disturb] Whether you believe in miracles or not, there is an enormous amount of documentation for seemingly inexplicable events over the centuries that many people believe to be the work of God Himself. In this list I have tried to pick the ten most interesting of these cases. This list is partly in response to the numerous people who have emailed me complaining of an atheistic bias on the site. Hopefully this will finally prove, once and for all, that we will write and publish lists on any topic and that we are open-minded enough not to exclude certain points of view. Finally, for obvious reasons (see item 1 here), this list does not include any tele-evangelist “faith healers”.

SEE ALSO: 10 Astonishing Cures That Will Make You Believe in Miracles

10

Marian Apparition in Zeitoun
1968 – 1970

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A Marian apparition is an event in which the Virgin Mary is believed to have supernaturally appeared to one or more persons regardless of their religious faith. They are often given names based on the town in which they were reported, or on the sobriquet which was given to Mary on the occasion of the apparition. They have been interpreted in psychological terms as pareidolia, and in religious terms as theophanies. Probably the most famous of these apparitions were the visions of St Bernadette at Lourdes (related item 6 on this list), and three children in Fatima (related item 1 on this list). In both cases, the people involved said that the Virgin Mary gave them predictions of future events and preached prayer and penance. The famous case of Our Lady of Zeitoun took place in Zeitoun, Cairo, and contrary to the norm, the apparition was witnessed by millions of people over a period of 2 to 3 years. The apparition was even caught on film (as seen in the photograph above). The Coptic Orthodox Pope of Alexandria in Cairo issued a statement that the apparitions were real. The Catholic Church has yet to issue an official statement. You can view video footage here.

9

Incorruptible Corpses

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Incorruptibility is the name given to the situation in which a dead person does not decay after death. The orthodox church consider it essential in considering a person for canonization as a saint, and the Roman Catholic Church consider it as sign of sainthood but not a necessity. Additionally, the Catholic Church believes that a body is not deemed incorruptible if it has undergone an embalming process or other means of preserving the dead, or if it has become stiff, as do all normal corpses, even when the best preservation techniques are used. Incorruptible saints remain completely flexible, as if they were only sleeping. Incorruptible bodies are often said to have the Odour of Sanctity, exuding a sweet aroma. Over the years there have been hundreds of Saints whose bodies have been found to be incorrupt – some many hundreds of years after their death. In the image above we see St Bernadette as she appears today – 129 years after her death. For more astonishing pictures of incorruptible corpses (including the incorrupt body of St Silvan who died over 1,500 years ago), visit the Top 10 Incorrupt Corpses.


8

Therese Neumann
1896 – 1962

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Therese Neumann was a German Catholic mystic and stigmatic. On March 10, 1918, Therese Neumann was partially paralyzed after falling off a stool while attending to a fire in her uncle’s barn. She sustained more falls and injuries during this period. After one particular fall in 1919, she lost much of her eyesight. Therese reported that her eyesight was fully restored on April 29, 1923 — the day Therese of Lisieux was beatified (the first step to sainthood) in Rome. She said that on March 5, 1926, the first Friday of Lent, a wound had appeared slightly above her heart, but that she had kept this secret. However, she did report a vision of Jesus at Mount Olivet with three Apostles. On Easter Sunday, she claimed a vision of the resurrection of Christ. For several consecutive Fridays after that, she stated she was experiencing the Passion of Christ, supposedly suffering in her own body along with all his historic agonies. She especially suffered the Passion on Good Fridays each year. By November 5, 1926, she displayed nine wounds on her head as well as wounds on her back and shoulders (most of which are visible in the image above). According to several sources these wounds never healed or became infected and were found on her body at death. From the years of 1922 until her death in 1962, Therese Neumann said she had consumed no food other than The Holy Eucharist, and to have drunk no water from 1926 until her death. In July 1927 a medical doctor and four Franciscan nurses kept a watch on her 24 hours a day for a two-week period. They confirmed that she had consumed nothing except for one consecrated sacred Host a day, and had suffered no ill effects, loss of weight, or dehydration. Formal proceedings for her beatification were begun in 2005. [Source]

7

Statue in Akita
1973 – 1975

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In 1973, Sister Agnes Katsuko Sasagawa in Akita, Japan had visions of the Virgin Mary. On June 28, 1973, a cross-shaped wound appeared on the inside left hand of Sr. Agnes. It bled profusely and caused her much pain. On July 6, Sr. Agnes heard a voice coming from the statue of the Blessed Virgin Mary in the chapel where she was praying. The statue was carved from a single block of wood from a Katsura tree and is three feet tall. On the same day, a few of the sisters noticed drops of blood flowing from the statue’s right hand. The wound in the statue’s hand remained until September 29, when it disappeared. On September 29, the day the wound on the statue disappeared, the sisters noticed the statue had now begun to “sweat”, especially on the forehead and neck. Two years later on January 4, 1975, the statue of the Blessed Virgin began to weep. It continued to weep at intervals for the next 6 years and eight months. It wept on 101 occasions. Scientific analysis of blood and tears from the statute provided by Professor Sagisaka of the faculty of Legal Medicine of the University of Akita confirmed that the blood, tears, and perspiration are real human tears, sweat, and blood. They come from three blood groups: O, B, and AB. Sr. Agnes was also completely cured of total deafness. In June 1988, Cardinal Ratzinger (now Pope Benedict XVI) – head of the Office of Inquisition – judged the Akita events and messages as reliable and worthy of belief.

6

Lourdes
1858

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The apparitions of Our Lady of Lourdes began on 11 February 1858, when Bernadette Soubirous, a 14-year old peasant girl from Lourdes admitted, when questioned by her mother, that she had seen a “lady” in the cave of Massabielle, about a mile from the town, while she was gathering firewood with her sister and a friend. Similar appearances of the “lady” took place on seventeen further occasions that year. During one of the apparitions, she was directed by the “lady” to dig near a rock and drink from the spring there – there was a small puddle of mud in the place but as Bernadette dug in to it, a large spring appeared – this is the source of the water in the grotto to which millions of people flock for miraculous cures every year. The Lourdes Medical Bureau have declared 68 cases of inexplicable cures (out of thousands tested). You can read more on the scientific bureau here. [Source]

5

Joseph of Cupertino
1603 – 1663

San Giuseppe Di Copertino 18Th Century Engraving

Joseph of Cupertino is an Italian saint. He was said to have been remarkably unclever, but prone to miraculous levitation, and intense ecstatic visions that left him gaping. In turn, he is recognized as the patron saint of air travelers, aviators, people with a mental handicap, and weak students. He was canonized in 1767. On October 4, 1630, the town of Cupertino held a procession on the feast day of Saint Francis of Assisi. Joseph was assisting in the procession when he suddenly soared into the sky, where he remained hovering over the crowd. When he descended and realized what had happened, he became so embarrassed that he fled to his mother’s house and hid. This was the first of many flights, which soon earned him the nickname “The Flying Saint.” Joseph’s most famous flight allegedly occurred during a papal audience before Pope Urban VIII. When he bent down to kiss the Pope’s feet, he was suddenly filled with reverence for the Pope, and was lifted up into the air. He experienced ecstasies and flights (witnessed by thousands) during his last mass which was on the Feast of the Assumption 1663. Apple Inc.’s headquarters are in the California town of Cupertino, which was named after this saint. A film (the Reluctant Saint) was made about St Joseph – you can see a small clip of it at youtube (warning: it contains some serious over-acting – but has some humor too). [Source]


4

Tilma of Juan Diego
1474 – 1548

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Saint Juan Diego Cuauhtlatoatzin was an indigenous Mexican who reported an apparition of the Virgin Mary as Our Lady of Guadalupe in 1531. He had a significant impact on the spread of the Catholic faith within Mexico. According to Juan Diego, he returned home that night to his uncle Juan Bernardino’s house, and discovered him seriously ill. The next morning December 12, Juan Diego decided not to meet with the Lady, but to find a priest who could administer the last rites to his dying uncle. When he tried to skirt around Tepeyac hill, the Lady intercepted him, assured him his uncle would not die, and asked him to climb the hill and gather the flowers he found there. It was December, when normally nothing blooms in the cold. There he found roses from the region of Castille in Spain, former home of bishop Zumárraga. The Lady re-arranged the roses carefully inside the folded tilma that Juan Diego wore and told him not to open it before anyone but the bishop. When Juan Diego unfolded his tilma before the Bishop roses cascaded from his tilma, and an icon of Our Lady of Guadalupe was miraculously impressed on the cloth, bringing the bishop to his knees. The bishop acknowledged the miracle and within two weeks, ordered a shrine to be built where the Virgin Mary had appeared. The original tilma (pictured above) is on display in Guadalupe today and is one of the most frequently visited pilgrimage sites in the world. [Source]

3

Padre Pio (St Pio of Pietrelcina)
1887 – 1968

Francesco Forgione, later known as Padre Pio, canonized as Saint Pio of Pietrelcina, was an Italian Roman Catholic Capuchin priest who is now venerated as a saint in the Roman Catholic Church. He was given the name Pio when he joined the Order of Friars Minor Capuchin, and was popularly known as Padre Pio after his ordination to the priesthood. He became famous for his stigmata. Based on Padre Pio’s correspondence, even early in his priesthood he experienced less obvious indications of the visible stigmata for which he would later become famous. Though Padre Pio would have preferred to suffer in secret, by early 1919, news about the stigmatic friar began to spread in the secular world. Padre Pio’s wounds were examined by many people, including physicians. People who had started rebuilding their lives after World War I began to see in Padre Pio a symbol of hope. Those close to him attest that he began to manifest several spiritual gifts including the gifts of healing, bilocation, levitation, prophecy, miracles, extraordinary abstinence from both sleep and nourishment (One account states that Padre Agostino recorded one instance in which Padre Pio was able to subsist for at least 20 days at Verafeno on only the Eucharist without any other nourishment), the ability to read hearts, the gift of tongues, the gift of conversions, and the fragrance from his wounds. Rather than using an image, I have used a video clip of St Pio – you can see his hands concealed by fingerless gloves to hide his stigmata. You may also be interested in this clip in which St Pio’s grave and coffin are opened (on March 3, 2008) revealing that his body is incorrupt. His body is now on display in San Giovanni Rotondo. [Source]


2

The Miracle of Lanciano
700 AD

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In the city of Lanciano, Italy, around A.D. 700, a Basilian monk and priest was assigned to celebrate the Eucharistic sacrifice in the Latin Rite in the small Church of St.Legontian. Usually celebrating in the Greek Rite and using leavened bread and having been taught that unleavened bread was invalid matter for the Holy Sacrifice he was disturbed to be constrained to use unleavened bread and had trouble believing that the miracle of transubtantiation would take place with unleavened bread. During the Mass, when he said the words of consecration, he saw the bread change into live flesh and the wine change into live blood, which coagulated into five globules, irregular and differing in shape and size. Various ecclesiastical investigations have been conducted upon the miracle, and the evidence of the miracle remains in Lanciano to this day. In 1970-71, Professors from the University of Siena conducted a scientific investigation into the miracle. They concluded that the flesh and blood are human flesh and blood. The Flesh is a heart complete in its essential structure. The Flesh and the Blood have the same blood type, AB, which is also the same blood type found on the Shroud of Turin and all other Eucharistic Miracles. The Host-Flesh, which is the same size as the large Host used today in the Latin Church, is fibrous and light brown in color, and becomes rose-colored when lighted from the back. The Blood consists of five coagulated globules and has an earthly color resembling the yellow of ochre. [Source]

1

The Miracle of the Sun

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The Miracle of the Sun is an alleged miraculous event witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal. Those in attendance had assembled to observe what the Portuguese secular newspapers had been ridiculing for months as the absurd claim of three shepherd children that a miracle was going to occur at high-noon in the Cova da Iria on October 13, 1917. According to many witness statements, after a downfall of rain, the dark clouds broke and the sun appeared as an opaque, spinning disk in the sky. It was said to be significantly less bright than normal, and cast multicolored lights across the landscape, the shadows on the landscape, the people, and the surrounding clouds. The sun was then reported to have careened towards the earth in a zigzag pattern, frightening some of those present who thought it meant the end of the world. Some witnesses reported that their previously wet clothes became “suddenly and completely dry.” Estimates of the number of witnesses range from 30,000-40,000 by Avelino de Almeida, writing for the Portuguese newspaper O Século, to 100,000, estimated by Dr. Joseph Garrett, professor of natural sciences at the University of Coimbra, both of whom were present that day. The miracle was attributed by believers to Our Lady of Fátima, an apparition of the Blessed Virgin Mary to three young shepherd children in 1917, as having been predicted by the three children on 13 July, 19 August, and 13 September 1917. The children reported that the Lady had promised them that she would on 13 October reveal her identity to them and provide a miracle “so that all may believe.” The event was officially accepted as a miracle by the Roman Catholic Church on 13 October 1930. In the image above you can see some of the many witnesses photographed during the event. [Source]

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Jamie Frater

Jamie is the owner and chief-editor of Listverse. He spends his time working on the site, doing research for new lists, and collecting oddities. He is fascinated with all things historic, creepy, and bizarre.

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  • stevenh

    Funny how, with all the people in the world, miracles are only listed for Catholics…

    • Kelly

      i guess because this is a catholic site…..

    • danielle

      miracles happen to catholics more than others because they are the largest christian group and the oldest. And the reason you hear about catholic miracles more is also because catholics have the most documented miracles with the most evidence. And its funny how all these people on this site like to just throw dumb explanations out their like tens of thousands of people were mistaken about seeing a miracle. just about all of these miracles especially the miracle of the sun and marian apparition were seen by both christians and nonchristians even atheists saw these miracles. And the miracles on the list especially miracle of the sun and marian apparition had many documented healings such as the healing of the blind and handicapped people being able to walk normally and people with deadly diseases healed. IF SOME OF YOU PEOPLE DONT UNDERSTAND THE MIRACLES THATS OKAY BUT DONT MAKE UP SOME CRAPPY EXCUSE TO TRY TO DISCREDIT THEM AND TRY TO DISCREDIT ALL THE PEOPLE WHO SEEN THEM. IF YOU DONT WANT TO BELIEVE OKAY BUT UNLESS YOU CAN FIND HARD EVIDENCE THAT DISCREDITS THOUSANDS OF PEOPLES TESTIMONY EVEN NONCRISTIANS,ATHEISTS,SCIENTISTS,JOURNALISTS AND MANY HIGHLY RESPECTED INDIVIDUALS THEN DONT SAY ANYTHING.

      • Robert

        LOOK AT ME I CAN SHOUT TOO

        The “miracle of the sun” was reported by everyone because it’s a physical effect. There’s a reason that type of miracle is so common: It happens *anytime* you look into the sun because of what it does to your eyes. Anyone who wanted to could experience the “miracle” in their backyard so long as they were willing to risk damaging their vision (which will only happen after extended periods of time, which is why some people are left undamaged after short exposure). The overstimulation of the retina causes the image of the sun to shift colors and appear to move (I’m sure plenty of people have seen this). The effects get stronger as you stare more, and the sky around the sun appears to brighten and change color as the retinal cones get more and more overstimulated. How about *you* play Devil’s advocate (really poor name for the concept since it’s actually a good idea) and subject your beliefs to some proper scrutiny? Not saying that scrutiny means you *have* to change your mind or anything, that would be ridiculous, but this is just basic research mixed with common sense.

        And anyway, that isn’t how burden of proof works. If you propose something *and expect me to believe it*, it is up to you to provide proof. Providing conclusive disproof (i.e, proving the negative) is difficult and often impossible, and it’s ridiculous and a common fallacy to expect it from someone. A lack of disproof is not a proof, as tempting as that idea may seem.

        • I believe that if it has proof and no disproof…especially if it is only in the physical sense….and no logical reasons, is true.

          If we notice, all miracles are under Catholic. Its a sign, that a lot fails to accept.

          Its understandable as even Christ, Himself, was thought to be the devil by unbelievers…that is even after seeing what He did..some did not believe because there weren’t there.

          In today’s world, we can see a miracle, yet keep on denying.

          • I can certainly understand why people would scoff at the claim of a miracle. Frankly, that is usually the first response of priests and bishops of the Catholic Church when people claim to have witnessed miracles! You see, when someone has tangible proof of a miracle, the Church sets out to prove it false. Understand that priests are highly educated people. They apply scientific methods to study the evidence, and when they lack the expertise in a certain area, they will call in the appropriate experts. The Church puts a lot of effort into disproving these miracles because they do not want to misguide the followers or have them believe in false information. For example, Bernadette was giving information to the local priest. If her visions were not truly devine, then the messages given to her to be passed onto the failthful would be false messages. So, when the Catholic Church deems something as a miracle it is only done so after a very thorough investigation and after every possible scientific test has been conducted.

        • Robbie

          I understand what you mean. Having worked in Medjugorje for a number of years I saw numerous poeple trying to “see” something supernatural happening with the sun. This is what you are describing, I think. It’s the shimmering effect brought on by looking at an intensely bright object.
          However, the experience of a genuine solar miracle, either in Medjugorje, Fatima or anywhere else Heaven chooses to intervene, is very different. The visual effect differs dramatically from what happens when staring at – say, they sun or another bright object. So, there are those who damage their eyes from staring at the sun, ‘trying’ to have an experience…..and there are those who genuinely experience a supernatural phenomenon.
          There is another issue here though, we must remember that there are also those out there, perhaps some who are reading this right now, who don’t want any of this to be true. And it makes a kind of sense when you think about it. After all, if these supernatural events are real, if Heaven really is interveneing in these ways, it means that we have to take it seriously…have to take the author of these events seriously. And the unfortunate truth is that we don’t want to do that. We want to design a god of our own convenience who condones my behaviour and my lifestyle. In other words, a god who allows me to continue in my selfishness. Ultimately, denial of the supernatural reality of God and His interventions is really a way of saying “sod off and leave in my sin”.

          Wakey wakey folks. Be real.

    • Marc

      Yes, that’s more proof for the Dogma “there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church”… These miracles are God given graces to his faithful. The faithful in the Church he instituted through Peter. You can’t expect another religious systems that proclaims untruths about Jesus, the Trinity, or Mary (muslims, jejovas witnesses, protestants, hindus etc) to be graced with special attention… And if you see the supernatural outside of the Church, it’s decidedly diabolical… You access God through His Church. Spend some time in prayer and you will soon see the that’s the big secret that’s the secular world is trying to hold tight. Viva Padre Pio!

      • There are so many religions out there, and if we go by what most of them say, only one of them can be right about who’s God is real, and who’s faith is the only way to true salvation.

        What this means, is that out of 100 religions, 90% of them are completely wrong while only 1 of them can be right. Inversely, this also means that when you experience a ‘miracle’ or ‘divine intervention’ there’s a 90% chance that it came not from your God, but one of the others.

        Ironic don’t you think, seeing that the followers of each religion would claim that it came from their God with 100% certainty.

    • Marc

      Yes, that’s more proof for the Dogma “there is no salvation outside of the Catholic Church”… These miracles are God given graces to his faithful. The faithful in the Church he instituted through Peter. You can’t expect other religious systems that proclaim untruths about Jesus, the Trinity, or Mary (muslims, jehovas witnesses, protestants, hindus etc) to be graced with special attention… And if you see the supernatural outside of the Church, it’s decidedly diabolical… You access God through His Church. Spend some time in prayer and you will soon see that that’s the big secret that the secular world is trying to hold tight. Viva Padre Pio!

  • Scar

    I agree with Anony, I wouldn't believe it unless I saw it.
    The incorrupt corpses always looked like wax to me, Have they sone any sort of, exam on the bodies?

    • Benz74

      These incorruptible bodies have been, yes, thoroughly examined by doctors and scientists. I have seen the body of Bernadette myself in Nevers; she is simply amazing. Sometimes, a thin layer of color is added over the skin because the skin darkens or becomes sickly grey over time. In the case of Bernadette, when they first dug up her grave, the entire coffin was rotten through, as was her clothing. The links of her rosary were all rusty; and yet, she gave off a rosy smell. They washed the body and buried it again. They dug up the body once more years later, and her skin had taken a greyish hue (in part because of the humidity). The covered her skin with a fine layer of colorful wax. All her internal organs, if I recall correctly, are preserved.

      • James Emery

        Ummmm… Yeah… Actually, the face and hands that you’re seeing ARE wax. Do a bit more research there. Her body is in fine shape for its age, but is still mildewed, mummified, and missing patches of skin.

    • Renee

      Doubting St. Thomas also had to SEE to believe. “Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” ~John 20:29

      JOHN 20: 24 Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

      But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

      26 A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

      28 Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”

      29 Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”

    • chikaodiliovette

      happy re those who did not see but believe

  • Raz

    jfrater: As you said at least 30,000 people witnessed this "miracle" and does the fact that the majority were farmers and poorly education people, with christianity on their minds make a difference? I think so, if UFO's landed in Saudi Arabia at the time of mohammed, it would have been deemed an act of Allah…
    Although the evidence is still somewhat compelling for some of these "miracles", the witnesses are mostly uneducated, the places are usually rural areas and the times are always long ago.
    I'd much sooner believe the account of thousands of witnesses of a "miracle" which appeared above London, New York, Paris, Tokyo or any other widely developed, advanced and populated area, where cameras are readily active, and intelligent people will surely be at hand.

    • GreenHolyKnight

      The article points out Intellectual Educated skeptics from the newspaper witnessed the event also idiot.
      Just because a person lives in a poor area does not make one uneducated. There are other ways to educate yourself besides school. Its called books.

      • Toria

        True, but let’s not call names people forget things they read.

      • Intellectual Educated skeptics does not equal a degree in physics, astronomy, chemistry, biology and neurology among others. Even if an astronomer witnesses something strange, he could believe it’s something amazing until someone who specializes in biology offers a natural explanation to him.

    • dogmadekate

      It never says anywhere that those observing fatima were largely uneducated. This is what is referred to as a straw man argument. Also, "long ago" is a relative term. Fatima may be long ago to many of us but it wasn't "long ago" to those alive when these people claimed to have witnessed this. Many of these miracles were as recent as the 1970's…hardly so long ago that there is no one yet alive to refute them. I find it odd that you assume that a person's geographical area deems all the people who live there as being idiots. I'm sure the likes of Neitzche, Ghandi, Einstein, Darwin, Nelson Mandela, and the many thousands of other geniuses who were born and raised in rural areas would be inclined to disagree with you on your assertion.

  • Jay

    The Incorruptible corpse is pictured wearing a wax mask I think. The skin stills rots away does it not?

    • Rk

      Do u think, u’ll be able to hv a muscle or intact liver tissue after 40 somethings yrs or do u know anyone else who had or heard of?

      If that never happened and u’r told it has happened here, i think one should question what that is and not be blind on things.

  • CFEstes

    So how could all of those people stand there for all that time looking directly into the sun in mid afternoon without some sort of protection for their eyes?

    • Toria

      As it said in this post the sun wasn’t as bright =) no sunglasses needed

    • Mary

      that was actually part of the miracle… that they could look directly at the sun without any need for eye protection.

      • Yeah, and off course the Sun is only visible to the group of people gathered there, and not the entire other half of the world who at that time experienced daylight – obviously this is not true, otherwise half the world would have seen this occur.

  • SlickWilly

    I certainly do not think that offering skeptical alternatives to the described miracles above is in any way arrogant, stubborn, or ignorant. I think that doing so in a cock-sure, arrogant, conceited way is stubborn and ignorant. Those who so readily dismiss the beliefs of another and all the peripheral evidence as bunch of hooey are deluding themselves into a kind of superior knowledge. This is disingenuous. There have been thousands of people, thousands of times smarter than any one person on this board who have pondered theological questions and never arrived at a satisfactory answer. To operate as if you are one of the privileged few that have a bit of knowledge so far above the heads of everyone else that all who are not privy are somehow "beneath" you is ignorant. Those that do this are often trying to prove something to themselves, so if you are a believer, pay no attention to these persons. They will eventually dig their own holes.

    However, that being said, I also think it is disingenuous for believers to so readily accept these "miracles" as true signs from God, without asking any questions whatsoever. It is not arrogant to suggest that suggestive psychology and lack of education might have parts to play in the perception of a miracle, as the suggestive power of the mind has been scientifically proven to be incomprehensibly powerful, and the lower the level of education, the greater the reliance on religion as a tool of social solidarity. As someone has suggested already, magians have concocted elaborate illusions that, if the base audience was not already aware of our present technological capabilities, would appear to be miracles, or works of powerful magic. There are many phenomena that have been observed that occur for one reason or another that can function parallel to one another and produce the results of what we see here. Coupled with powerful imaginations and strong, base desires for spiritual vindication, there is a strong possbility that scientific, natural explanations exists for all of the events listed above.

    • Mary

      Most (if not all) of these miracles have been exhaustively analyzed by scientists and skeptics, and they have been unable to come up with an explanation. I think it’s silly to assume that believers readily accept the miracles without asking questions. That is not the case. There is very strong, documented, evidence supporting these miracles (the author provided some links as a starting point, but you can do your own googling to find more details and evidence). Do a little research and see for yourself… They are actually pretty fascinating!

      • I quote: “Joe Nickell notes: “Not surprisingly, perhaps, Sun Miracles have been reported at other Marian sites—at Lubbock, Texas, in 1989; Mother Cabrini Shrine near Denver, Colorado, in 1992; Conyers, Georgia, in the early to mid-1990s”.[22] Nickell also suggests that the dancing effects witnessed at Fatima may have been due to optical effects resulting from temporary retinal distortion caused by staring at such an intense light

        Professor Auguste Meessen of the Institute of Physics, Catholic University of Leuven, has stated sun miracles cannot be taken at face value and that the reported observations were optical effects caused by prolonged staring at the sun. Meessen contends that retinal after-images produced after brief periods of sun gazing are a likely cause of the observed dancing effects. Similarly Meessen states that the color changes witnessed were most likely caused by the bleaching of photosensitive retinal cells.[23] Meessen observes that Sun Miracles have been witnessed in many places where religiously charged pilgrims have been encouraged to stare at the sun. He cites the apparitions at Heroldsbach, Germany (1949) as an example, where similar observations as at Fatima were witnessed by more than 10,000 people”

  • stevenh: try as I might, there were no astonishing miracles I could find otherwise. And coupled with the fact that the Catholic religion is larger than all the other Christian groups put together, I guess the chances are higher :)

  • Oh – the first one is Coptic Orthodox as well – so that is one non-Catholic religion :)

  • By “first one” I mean number 10 btw.

  • stevenh: true – it is interesting – perhaps it is to do with the mysticism side of Christianity – which is an especially large part of Catholicism and lesser so in others. Wikipedia says this:

    Sometimes (as with the Catholic church and Vedantic Hinduism) mystics are incorporated into the church hierarchy, with criteria set up for validation of mystical experiences and veneration of those who achieve that status.

  • stevenh

    True on the Coptic. It’s just that I’ve noticed that the followers of Jesus seen to have a lot more appearances (aka apparitions, visions, goasts, images in toast) than other humans on this planet.

  • anony

    so this is the top 10 astonishing things people made up?

  • anony: I am sure that even a logical non-believer wouldn’t take that line – at least 30,000 people witnessed number 1 – if you are a non-believer surely you would be arguing for something like mass hysteria rather than presuming that many people would just make it up.

  • Sunshine Capone

    The crying, sweating, and bleeding statue doesn’t appear to be a miracle; it’s more like a nightmare! Seriously, how creepy is that?

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Very good list Jfrater. I’m always freaked out by miracles cause sometimes they are very convincing and I have to remind my self that there is always an explanation for things.

    I think I heard about nr 6 in a Richard Dawkins documentry. Nr 7 is very weird. The flying saint is sort of a fun miarcle :P

    I wouldnt want to be nr 8. It looks messy..

  • stugy

    Very cool list. Pretty interesting things to think about for the day. I didn’t realize incorruptible corpse had no embalming processes at all and weren’t stiff.

  • Mom424

    Interesting List, well thought out and informative.

    In order to see a miracle, one must be of a frame of mind that accepts them. I see someone bleeding from wounds of mysterious origin, I’m thinking crack addict picking at imaginary bugs or some sort of mental affliction that causes you to wound yourself consciously or sub-consciously. (Most likely explanation if you ask me) Miracle is not the first thing that pops into mind.

    I wouldn’t call #1 mass hysteria. More correctly an atmospheric anomaly (and a pretty common one too! at least in Fatima) coupled with grand expectations and religious fervor. Thus the differing accounts of the same phenomena.

    Some Christian sects consider jabbering in Tongues and flailing and flopping around in religious ecstasy to be a miracle of possession. Goes to show you the difference point of view makes.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    I wouldnt say this site has an atheist bias. What a silly thing to say.

  • I appreciate the comments so far – I really wasn’t sure what to expect – but as usual, listverse readers show themselves to be thoughtful in their comments!

  • Scar: yes – they manipulate the bodies to check for rigormortis – the other unusual feature of them is the smell – people who see the bodies often describe an odor of flowers coming from the corpse.

  • Raz: there were scientists and skeptics present – who were there in order to debunk the whole thing and report that nothing happened – but then something did happen. Here is a quote from wikipedia:

    “Before the astonished eyes of the crowd, whose aspect was biblical as they stood bare-headed, eagerly searching the sky, the sun trembled, made sudden incredible movements outside all cosmic laws — the sun ‘danced’ according to the typical expression of the people.” ? Avelino de Almeida, writing for O Século (Portugal’s most widely-circulated and influential newspaper, which was pro-government and anti-clerical at the time. Almeida’s previous articles had been to satirize the previously reported events at Fátima).

    This is one of many from Doctors, Priests (who were certainly not uneducated), and reporters of highly respected papers. Something definitely happened – I guess the question is – what?

  • astraya

    Someone said of miracles “To the believer, no explanation is necessary; to the unbeliever, no explanation is possible”.
    Compared to the extensive debunking of psychics elsewhere, this list tends to accept at face value all the claims made.
    So far as I have read, all these occurrences happened in communities where strong faith was already part of the group conscious and subconscious. People were brought up with the belief that “miracles happen”. They may not have been expecting to see a miracle, but they were open to the possibility. The physic debunker (I’ve forgotten his name) expects not to see physic powers, so therefore doesn’t.

    I have a few more comments, but I’ll sleep on them first before I start treading on toes, or deciding not to.

  • astraya: the psychic debunker is mentioned in the intro – with a link to the list of his debunkings :) I appreciate what you are saying about expectations – but how does a person’s expectation cause a statue to bleed? The secretions were tested in a science lab.

    Surely there is a better explanation than simply “people were ignorant” or “people were brainwashed” – the explanations so often given without a thought – something more firm would be nice :) Incidentally – that is not a criticism of you specifically – it is a criticism of people who don’t believe but aren’t willing to try to find evidence for their views.

    I don’t say these are real or not – I am just presenting them – but the fact remains – in all of the above cases no hard evidence can explain conclusively the cause of the events.

  • Exelcior

    "Religion" is pretty funny. Basically it's a bunch of retards and psychopaths that believe in an invisible man in the sky, and are unable to accept that their life and existence WILL come to an end, that their matter will return to the Earth and eventually to the stars and the universe.

    "Nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed" -Antoine Lavoisier

    • IR

      Yeah, we came from nowhere!..and everything that we see, hear, feel and enjoy are but accidents…now that’s more retarded!

      • I always find it rich when religious people dismiss the theory of the universe either popping up unaided, out of nothing or perhaps the fact that it could always have existed while at the same time arguing that their God always has, and always will exist.

        I find it strange that you feel that the belief of life popping up by accident is more retarded than believing that an invisible being creating the universe out of nothing, while he himself exists outside of time and space, followed by a dust man, rib woman, talking snake and forbidden fruit in a garden just for them.

        If your God could always have existed, why not the universe?

        Oh, and

  • DiscHuker

    from a believer’s standpoint, i can concur that they happened, but what was the source is a different question. the purpose of a miracle, as reported in the bible, is to bring glory to God, not the person demonstrating or experiencing said miracle. the response in the miracle of tilma of juan diego is to build a shrine to mary? most of the books of 1 and 2 kings in the old testament talks about how one kings sets up “high places”(altars and shrines to other gods) and was seen as doing evil and then how another king tears those places down and is seen as doing pleasing things in the sight of God.

    i definately have a place for the acceptance of miracles done by God in my theology. i’m not so sure these qualify.

  • Cheeshygirl

    Interesting list, Jamie. I had never heard of incorruptibles. I must have missed your prior list but now I am all caught up. ;) I believe miracles are what you make of them. Who am I to say what others believe is false or dumb? I say this because I can already see the heat this topic will cause and I think we all need to remember that none of us is better than any other. Let’s respect each others rights and beliefs. Mmkay?

  • DiscHuker

    one of the funny thing i think about skeptics is that they assume that all involved are idiots.

    how arrogant is it to believe that the only reason people believe is because they haven’t been enlightened to your powers of rationality. do you not think that the other skeptics in the area have shown up to try and disprove these phenomena also?

  • spirito.aspro

    about Padre Pio: a italian historian has written in a book that the ‘more or less’ Saint buyed a lot of phenol acid from a pharmacist for making wounds on his hand. And also another critical point of view argue on the wrong position of the wounds.

  • spirito.aspro

    sorry for english errors :((

  • JB

    The miracle of the Sun is what nowdays will be considered a first contact, an UFO sighting. Maybe there’s something out there that we still don’t undersand, but in any case we’ll reach it through real science some day.

    Some others are just fake. So many bleeding statues have been appeared and they were all fake. Ah! Of course, after 99 demonstrated fake ones the number 100 wouldn’t have any trick and will be a miracle.

    Trying to relate all this incidents with religios miracles is just hilarious. Every time someone makes his invention, Vatican authorities send some “experts” to report it. If the trick isn’t obvious they will say it’s a miracle and use it as propaganda for the dying faith.

  • Ghidoran

    Sad to say, I wasn’t expecting much, bt after reading number ten I expected great things. Then I read the rest of the list, and I felt it to be too similar in terms of content. Also, some parts suggest it to be an excuse for the aethist lists/biases on this site. But overall, 3/5

  • Kreachure

    Wow, Jamie is defending this list like there’s no tomorrow…

    Anyways, I found it quite interesting, given that these miracles seem to be well-documented. I liked #1 the most, and I hadn’t heard of it before (although I’d heard of story of the Lady of Fatima’s visions). Even if it was some sort of unusual atmospheric phenomenon, how the hell would anyone, let alone three shepherd children, know exactly when it was going to happen?

    I consider myself deeply rational and skeptical. I don’t ascribe myself to any religion, but I do believe in God in a way that religions do not define. Some have already said that these things happen only in communities that expect these kind of things to happen at some level. I think that being open to the possibility is certainly a factor that somehow allows these phenomena to happen: not because people have been brainwashed into seeing things that aren’t really there, but because they have a mindset that allows them to expect and see these phenomena.

    I believe that the power of the mind has been severely underestimated especially in modern times; so if thousands or even millions of people strongly believe in the same thing with fervor, isn’t there a slight chance that their minds alone may be able to somehow trigger strange effects in reality?

    If we already knew the answers to oh-so-many mysteries yet to be explained in this world, I would say no. But there’s still so much we don’t know or understand yet, that I’m compelled to say at least “maybe”.

    Keep an open mind, everyone. You might end up being witness to things you never expected to see… ;)

    PS. I want to see the video footage of the Marian apparition, but I’m too scared! :P

    • Toria

      That’s a great point there’s no scientific way they could have known about the miracle yet it happened =)

  • Yun

    I love pseudo-skeptics. They spend all their time screaming, “There’s no evidence,” but when someone DOES present evidence (like this list) they all just grumble about how the witnesses are uneducated rubes, victims of brainwashing, or make the even more absurd claim that they all just “made it up.”

    Atheists are no different from Creationists. Both groups decide offhand that fact which contradict their beliefs are not “facts” at all, and dismiss them without a second thought.

    At least Theists have the decency to ADMIT that we make leaps of faith.

  • When I think of miracles I always think of fraud, halucinations, drugs or disease in the water or food.

    Illusionists create miracles all the time and in view of hundreds of people. So, why can’t these miracles be Illusions as well?

    • Toria

      I don’t think an incorruptible body can be an illusion.

  • Ghidoran

    Also, incorruptible corpses seems amazing! But I don’t understand no.2, does bread and wine still turn into flesh and blood?

  • Yun

    #31 Ghidoran
    Catholics believe that the bread and wine is the body and blood of Christ, but in most cases this is a spiritual change, not a physical one. It’s more than a symbol, but anyone with taste buds can tell it’s still physically the same as it was before the blessing. Even for the most devout Catholic an actual physical change, like what happened in #2, would be an immensely shocking experience.

  • kowzilla

    Did anyone else really like the religious muzak that plays when you open up the video of the Marian Apparition in Zeitoun?

    Also to Warning Don’t Read This (#10),
    I’ll bet that Richard Dawkins was VERY accepting of this miracle in his film.

  • DiscHuker

    yun: i was thinking the same thing

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Kowzilla: Oh you know Dawkins he smiled and was very nice and complimented the nice americans that sat on their chairs waiting to be blessed. :)

    Kreachure: Me too.

    There is always an explanation. Cant say that enough.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    And now we’re talking about UFOs? This keeps getting better.

  • Sidereus

    I am not Catholic and I am highly skeptical of supposed Catholic miracles. I do believe, however, that God both can and does perform miracles, so I do not immediately discredit the items on this list. The incorruptible corpses is particularly interesting to me as it could potentially be studied and verified. Sitings of apparitions, however, are difficult to reproduce. The miracle of the sun is also intriguing and clearly not an eclipse or some such phenomenon.

    As both a Christian and a student of Psychology, I see an interesting pattern where those who believe in miracles are the ones who see them. Christians call it the power of faith. Psychologists describe it as our expectations becoming a sort of self-fulfilling prophesy. But we should understand that just as the mind and body are not separate creatures, a person’s spirituality and cognition are also tied. An explanation for one does not negate the other, but enriches the experience for both. In other words, Psychology may be right about how the brain functions in order to allow the belief in the supernatural, but that does not necessarily mean there is not also a spiritual component. And I would guess that there is! After all, if God made us and wanted us to believe, he would have given our brains the capacity to think in that way.

  • Great list JFrater.
    I always believe that there are many things in life / nature / universe that we do not know about. Just because we don’t know, or cannot comprehend them, doesn’t mean they are fake or fraud.

    A tribe living in the amazonian rain forest would be equally disbelieving about an aeroplane, as we are about so called visions and apparitions.

    It’s also funny how we take electricity, telephones, wireless, air & space travel, computers, internet, almost everything in our daily lives as matter-of-fact, when just a few hundred years ago all these everyday things would have been deemed as miracles.

  • kris

    Miracles do happen… I have witnessed them twice when was in IOW…

    but the things I see India which people say they are miracles are actually not!!!
    My Cousin Pat’s wife who is an Indian took me to some one who is famous for doing healings and miracles (ppl who want to know what my problem is can check a list(amazing facts about dreams)

    the place were went was horrible or I say more than that…it was very scary… it was a small dark room and many people sitting out side in a row… and If anyone remembers the movie of Indiana Jones and the temple of doon – in that you will have an idol called Kalimaa… I saw that idol in *Place* and there was fresh blood on it…
    and i almost fainted the very moment…
    I didn’t agree to stay there at all as I thought they are devilish…

    So Miracles do happen even by Bad people!!!

  • Kate

    That is incredible. I’m not Catholic (rather, Jewish) but I do believe that many of these events are beyond scientific explanation. Incorruptible corpses? That lady has been dead for 129 years! That’s unbelievable.

  • Stephen

    Some of these should be able to explain, however, the incorrupt bodies just baffles me.

    I looked for some explanation, however, people can only hypthoesize that its “very slow decomposition”

  • eraserhead

    JB: You believe in UFO’s but you dismiss everything on the list as fake and “just hilarious”. The same could be said about your UFOs.

    Quote: “Every time someone makes his invention, Vatican authorities send some “experts” to report it. If the trick isn’t obvious they will say it’s a miracle and use it as propaganda for the dying faith.”

    Skepticism relating to this list is great, and engaging in dialog between believers and non-believers is very positive and healthy, but this close-minded tirade is damaging. It angers the believers and it discredits the non-believers.

  • ninjajim

    DicHuker: I agree with your comment one hundred percent. It is often a sign of overwhelming arrogance as well as stubbornness that leads people to not only completely dismiss the views and beliefs of others but insult them as well. Its funny how you never see believers going on to the lists which have a more or less atheistic angle telling everyone who doesn’t believe that they are going to hell. Everybody always scoffs and laughs at those who believe asking us to prove outright that there is a God, and then laugh when we can provide no evidence which lives up to their standards. However, I have yet to see any athiest or skeptic give convincing and definitive evidence that God, or a god does not exist. The fallacy can work both ways people.

    Jfrater: I find this list very interesting, just like 99% of the lists on this site! I’m not a catholic myself, but I am a Baptist and I find a few of these to be persuading(#10 #2 and #9). I often don’t believe eyewitness accounts unless there are multiple accounts of them which agree. It is just too easy for someone to fabricate a miracle for their own glory, not God’s. And yes I am an educated person and am quite skeptical about many things as well. I choose, however to believe in a higher power which humans, as of yet cannot explain, and probably never will.

    JB: Get over yourself, where is all of your evidence proving that each of these miracles is fake? Other than your “impressive” powers of reasoning you have provided nothing which supports your claims. Also I find it funny that someone can dismiss claims such as these (and any religious claim, miraculous or not) so easily, yet believes in UFOs which have even less recorded accounts and evidence for their existence.

  • Csimmons

    wow, great list, very well thought out, #1 I would classify as mass hysteria though.

  • ninjajim

    *DiscHuker not DicHuker, ha ha sorry!

  • Einar

    If God appeared in the sky and said, in what has to be a de facto booming voice, “I am God, believe in me.”….would you? If you saw God for yourself, would you believe..just like that? Would you start praying everyday, listening to Him, acting like He wants us to? Or would you blame the experience on drugs, or a gas leak, or a sign of your pending insanity?

    Miracles aren’t a one shot cure for skepticism or hostility.

  • Randy

    Raz: re#29- “I’d much sooner believe the account of thousands of witnesses of a “miracle” which appeared above London, New York, Paris, Tokyo or any other widely developed, advanced and populated area, where cameras are readily active, and intelligent people will surely be at hand.”

    Are you saying that rural, uneducated people are not intelligent? Are you saying intelligent people are only found in large, developed cities? If so, that is a very prejudiced comment to make. Formal education does not equal intelligence. There are many intelligent people who have had no formal education. Just because someone lives in a rural, under-developed area does not automatically make them unintelligent.

  • Blogball

    Nice list and well researched jfrater. There is a pretty good movie called “The Song of Bernadette” staring Jennifer Jones about the Lourdes miracle

  • cory

    as always a fantastic list, but it saddens me to see so many people being so rude about others beliefs. if you don’t beleive thats fine if you do thats fine as well, but mocking or disrespecting is not a great way to start any kind of conversation/debate, just my two cents worth

  • BishopWhiteT

    DiscHuker: you hit the nail on the head. Many of these “Miracles” don’t bring glory to God, but rather to the recepient of the event, such as candidacy for sainthood, or the desire to worship someone other than God Himself (i.e. Mary). We have been specifically warned about such deceptions by God himself.

    To those who profess no faith in the supernatural whatsoever, I say that it takes a much bigger leap of faith to believe that things arrived at the current order from chaos than to believe a creator was involved. Evidence of a creator is the creation itself, or perhaps you think that the computer you are looking at right now “just happened”.

    As a final note to the non-believers, when I say you have more faith than believers, I really mean it. You have so much faith in your viewpoint that you are willing to risk punishment for eternity without any payoff. Good luck with that.

  • romerozombie

    I can’t believe some people would e-mail in saying the site is too atheist. Have they not seen all the unbiased religous lists, especially the one listing quotes to support faith?

    I’ve always thought atheism (or agnosticism) was pretty much the default setting for people. After all, you can only believe in what you’re taught to believe in.

  • Shaner5000

    Joey Ramone believes in this list.

  • Marcelo

    Holly crap!

  • amoondoo

    my high school is named Our lady of lourdes High school after the lourdes miracle! :-D

  • Randall

    jfrater:

    This was a great list Jamie… deserving of a spot somewhere in some future book of lists, even. Well done and well-researched.

    I’ve never heard a convincing explanation for what happened at Fatima, though I’m open to ideas. Earth lights never did it for me.

    The fave explanation for stigmata, of course, is that it is self-inflicted–even unknowingly so. Perhaps, but it too always fell a tad short for me… that is, if all stories about stigmatics can be wholly believed. (pardon the pun).

  • SlickWilly

    I wish people could just act like the adults they tell themselves they are in their more self-important moments. I am an atheist, but I absolutely hate those of us that go around acting as if all religious people are ignorant. That is simply untrue, and anyone who would suggest that are themselves ignorant. That being said, I also find quite annoying those fervent believers that are as arrogant to believe that atheists care even a little bit about the reasons they will supposedly “go to hell.” I find it also quite hypocritcal that those people charge atheists with “leaps of faith,” as if they themselves were making the obviously more rational and logical choice and atheists are simply deluded. If anyone even has the guts to read this far into the passage, I would like to ask all the reasonable adults out there to please respect the beliefs of other people. This has become a problem on both sides around the LV recently, and it needs to stop. Anyone who does not wish to conduct themselves with a bit of deference can navigate away to another site. If these rampant problems don’t change, drastic measures might be in order.

  • Joss

    This might be one of the best lists on listverse. Very interesting, creepy and thought inspiring.

  • Joss

    Oh, btw, the title of this list should probably be Top 10 Astonishing Modern Day Miracles, because there are some pretty crazy ones in the bible. :)

  • trojan_man

    Slick: Hear, hear! I am actually a non-practicing atheist so I totally understand your feelings. In my mind, people deserve respect until they do something to lose it. We don’t get to decide just by what they believe.

  • infallibleangel

    This is a good list. I don’t quite know myself what to make of them… as I’ve never been to any of these spots… only know a little bit about them… and am also not Catholic.

    I guess I am intrinsically leaning toward not believing these events are acts of God.

    If God, or Jesus, or Mother Mary decided to perform such miracles… these ones seem pointless. They seem like “parlour tricks” (which is condescending of the nature of God in the first place), and do nothing to better the world or ease any suffering or anything like that. If they wanted to perform miracles… why not do some worthwhile ones to help people… like send down some manna to Ethiopia or something?

    Again, I’m not all-familiar with the teachings of the Catholic Church, and I’m sure that there is someone on here who can explain why it has to be that only redundant Celestial Wonderworks and Holy Cameos are the only miracles appropriate for our poor world…(original sin, maybe?) but as of now… I’m not buying it.

  • Idreno

    Thanks so much for this great list!

    I would like to make some brief comments. Firstly, I’ve always believed that all things in the world must have there equal opposite in order for there to be true balance…there must be dark in order for their to be light, good things cannot be truly good unless there are bad things to counter them, nothing can be described as high if it is not juxtaposed to something described as low. I think miracles work in this similar way. Great miracles do not happen often, but when they do, they happen in a big way. If we had great miracles, such as these listed, on a daily basis, there would be less value to them. I do believe that miracles of all sizes and purposes occur daily within our lives and the lives of millions of people…many go unnoticed, but they are always there. It is audacious for humans to attempt to completely understand miraculous phenomena: it’s one thing to seek some level of explanation and perhaps proof, but it is another to suppose understanding of the purpose or reasoning behind the miracle.

    I have in my European travels come across several incorrupted bodies of saints in churches and monastaries (especially in Italy) and I promise you that these things are real, and no, the skin doesn’t not always rot. The one place of Miracles that I have visited is Loreto, Italy, which has the house of Mary as well as the venerated statue, the Black Madonna. It’s worth looking up on Wikipedia!

    I remember being told by my grandmother that the body of St. Francis, which had been kept (and might still be kept) in the catacombs of Assisi is incorrupted and she was witness to this, but at the same time, I know for a fact that the new Downtown Cathedral in L.A. says they have some of the bones of St. Francis in their reliquary (sp?)…I haven’t been able to find too much information regarding this. St. Francis was also a stigmatic.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    You tell’em Slick.

  • Anne O’Nemus

    I find it interesting that the type of blood found in many miracles are type AB blood. Now, (this is just conjecture) but perhaps type AB blood was far more prevalent hundreds of years ago? Or has the ratios changed?? Because, one would think it is most likely type O blood (more than 50% of people, despite being a recessive trait) and not the rarest of all blood types, AB. Now could someone find out if the ratios of the population with different blood types has changed over the centuries?? AB+ is 2% to 10% in today’s world population, but type AB- is extremely rare, less than 1% in most countries.

  • Brandon

    This is a miracle if I’ve ever seen it

    http://www.newsnet5.com/health/16363548/detail.html

    Woman wakes up after 17 hours of death

  • Idreno

    One last thing regarding the Stigmata. I realize that there has always been tons of debate concerning whether or not Jesus (who was a real person, regardless of whether you accept him as God or not) had been nailed to the cross through his hands or his wrists. The claims state that if a man was to be nailed to a solid object in a vertical position through the hands, the weight of his body would rip through the hands and cause the man to fall, therefore, it would have been more likely to have nailed an individual through the wrists in order to ensure that the body would be securely mounted. Certainly, through the wrist would be even more painful and would probably take more time to accomplish.

    There is much evidence to support the idea that Christ was in fact nailed through the hands…scriptures aside…there is no way to disprove the idea that a persons arms would have been tied around the horizontal pieces of a cross to ensure that the body would not fall. We know that, while many aspects of ancient culture are considered crude by today’s standards, they tended to be rather orderly people, especially the Romans. It was Roman officers who enacted the crucifixion, not the Jews, and the Romans were not very ‘messy’ individuals: while they may have enjoyed gruesome spectacle, it was always done in a manner which co-incided with their ideas of cleanliness and simplicity (please do not cite anything about the Colosseum in rebuttle as the majority of people are misinformed about what actually happened in that arena and the attitudes of the proletarian spectators). A nail through a wrist is going to be significantly more messy and disturbing to witness than a nail through a hand.

    I personally, accept the idea that Jesus was nailed through his hands and that those individuals who have experienced the Stigmata do so through their hands. There is no way to prove or disprove the idea of ropes having been used to upholster a body against a cross. Going further, do we have any complete evidence of a nail ripping through a human hand in a similar scenario? As far as I can tell, human crucifixion ended a very long time ago and it is highly unlikely that anyone today would begin a series of experiments to find out if one crucified through the hand would actually fall. Lastly, people have argued, well, if ropes were used, the Bible would have described them…this is not always true. As a musician and one who has read and studied many musical writings and treatises of the past, people write with their audience in mind, and ultimately, if someone is writing something about the present, and more importantly about a significant custom or ritual, often times, those authors felt it unnecessary to go into great detail concerning things that their current audience already knew. If tying a man’s arms around a cross was in fact a common facet of crucifixion, there would be no reason to restate something already obvious to the contemporaries of that time period. Even with regards to authors who actually did write with future audiences in mind, it would have been rather moot for them to have described an aspect of a ritual that would seem to be not only completely logical, but even standard.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Idreno’s comment reminded me of a wonderful moment in Terry Gilliam’s “Time Bandits” where Kevin askes God why do we have to have evil and he replys:” I think its something to do with free will.”

    It was a lovely moment.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Idrenos first comment that is.

  • BishopWhiteT

    SlickWilly: I’m not sure if your comment about “leaps of faith” was directed at what I wrote, but I will say that I agree with almost everything you wrote. I firmly respect the right of anyone to believe what they will, regardless of religion or lack thereof, even if I believe the complete opposite.

    In regard to that one remark: it is not hypocritical to suggest that any and all beliefs contain a “leap of faith”, because no one can prove to anyone else that their viewpoint does not require some sort of faith in an unknown element. I do not believe that I am any more or less rational than somone who chooses to believe differently than I, I simply believe what I feel in my heart and mind to be the truth. I do not believe that an opposite viewpoint is inferior to my own, just different.

    I generally stay away from discussions of this nature (on this site), as I find religous debates tend to bring out the worst in what is otherwise an extreemly clever, fun and interesting community. It’s a shame that these types of lists often turn into belief-bashing arguments rather than insightful discussions conducted with open minds and genuine willingness to share what may be an opposing viewpoint in a respectful, loving manner. I think most of the regular posters are capable of such a thing, but it is all too easy to let the occasional innane comment stoke the fires of contempt, thus preventing any real, heartfelt passing of information and opinions.

    Just my $1.05 (the cost of freedom)

  • jhm

    Very good list. Skeptics have nothing to say on these. I cant believe that someone would say that all of the people were uneducated and made them all up.

  • Toxic

    stevenh … most of the animistic and pantheistic religions were destroyed by monotheism and organized religion, so most of the miracles of non-monotheistic religions have been lost or are dismissed as mythology.

    To lose connection with divinity is to lose part of the essence of what it is to be human and is the true meaning of the allegory of being expelled from eden. In millions of years there has never been an atheistic civilization or society, and now atheism is merely a response to the hypocrisy/repression of organized religion. Generally people who grow up close to organized monotheistic religions have a monopoly on atheist conversion . To me that makes it pretty apparent that atheism is just as much of a trick as organized religion : 2 sides of the same coin if you will.

    It takes a very simple mind to believe only in the third dimensional realm. Wholesale dismissal of the supernatural without first even exploring the theosophical possiblities smacks of the same ignorance that fuels religious bigotry today, not to mention a lack of life experience (almost half the people in the world have had some sort of religious/supernatural/unexplainable experience).

    Anony …. so you believe that of all the millions of supernatural/religious experiences that have been reported consistantly throughout history ALL of them are made up? Hahahahahaha that is even more far-fetched than believing in an invisible man in the sky. There is photographical, video, and eye-witness evidence of many unexplainable things.

    But I suppose the world will always have the shit-brained rhetoric of atheists to amuse those who are intelligent enough to understand the true nature of reality and the true potential of the human mind/soul, the same way we will always have organized religion to attempt to repress us and turn us away from truth and the infinite potential of human existence.

    Jay… the incorruptibles are often covered in wax (such as in the picture above) but if they do rot away it is at a rate that is ridiculously slow.

  • Ducky423

    Miracles happen everyday. I truly believe this because I’m holding one right now, my daughter. Are these the same types of miracles as the Bible describes? Only God can truly answer the question.

  • Mathilda

    This is a great list; very interesting. But I don’t understand why so many people are insisting that these “miracles” must be fake. I’m not religious but that doesn’t mean that something can’t occur that we have no explanation for, as yet. Nor does the fact that I personally haven’t witnessed something mean that it can’t have happened either. I’ve never seen a total solar eclipse but of course they are real. And I’m pretty sure that an eclipse would be terrifying to see if one did not know what was going on, and would seem impossible. I’m willing to believe that these events occurred unless or until someone proves otherwise.

  • JayArr

    I would be very interested in seeing what sort of forensic pathology reports they’d get when analyzing the blood, sweat, tears, bodies, etc. of any remaining physical evidence of any and all miracles with such evidence. Having had some experience with handling forensic evidence, I have some definite thoughts (which I will not bore anyone with here) regarding the validity thereof in these cases.

    I’m glad to see interesting discourse, and am certainly not one to have ever thought of Listverse as being any sort of pulpit for tight-minded agendas of any particular bent. :-)

  • macabresoren

    SlickWilly, you’re my hero. I personally find the idea of any organized religion… well, scary, to be honest. I also refuse to call myself an athiest, partially because then I’d be a hypocrite, and partially because they’re so associated with bitterness and spitting on people’s beliefs. Religion is a great subject for debate as there’s no definitive right or wrong answer for anything, but so many people don’t debate on it; they bash each other’s opinions and call each other ignorant. It’s really sad, actually.

    ANYWAY, I really liked this list. Religious miracle or otherwise, unexplained phenomena is one of my favorite things to read up on.

  • Rosa

    Very interesting list. I loved it. I had my mom and my brother crowded around my laptop reading these. Awesome list! :)

  • Nelia

    As someone who believes that there is more to life that what we can see, and more to life that scientific fact, I try to be open minded. I also believe that just because something cannot be explained scientifically, does not mean that there is not a scientific cause. Just as it is possible that it is a miracle, it is also possible that it is not. People choose to believe unlikely and/or unprovable things, not always religious, everyday and often it has nothing to do with intelligence and education.
    Believing or not believing is a choice, and sometimes profound faith makes it an easy choice, whether that is faith in that which we cannot see, or faith in that which we can.

  • JayArr

    Idreno (#68) – come to find out, Jesus was double-jointed, and they had to nail his hands to the cross after he made several quick escape attempts.

    Okay, in the immoral words of Simon Cowell, “Sorry; not sorry. Sorry!” …bad joke…

  • Cubone

    It’s interesting that someone might discount miracles because of who witnessed them or what part of the wotld they appeared.
    Remember the Christ was born to poor uneducated folk in a small village in a remote part of the world.
    I have to admit,even though I’m Catholic, some of these creeeeeep me out!

  • Yun

    @SlickWilly:
    If your reference to “leaps of faith” was directed at me, I encourage you to reread my post and note that my point was not that said leaps are bad, but to point out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be 100% rational and empirical in their conclusions but are, in fact, just as closed minded and willfully ignorant as any Creationist or Jihadi.

    I’m a non-practicing Catholic with Omnitheist tendencies, but I’ll be the first to admit that I can’t prove the existence of God conclusively; I just think the evidence is overwhelmingly in His favor. All I want is for the Atheist community to admit that they can’t DISPROVE Him either.

    You claim to be a respectful Atheist, and I have no hesitation in saying that that would make you the first I’ve ever met. To a person the only respectful non-Theists I’ve ever met have ALL been Agnostics.

  • S_R

    I TOTALLY AGREE with post #21 which states among other things:

    “the purpose of a miracle, as reported in the bible, is to bring glory to God, not the person demonstrating or experiencing said miracle.” (sic)

    And:

    “i definately have a place for the acceptance of miracles done by God in my theology. i’m not so sure these qualify.” (sic)

    Post #36 states:

    “There is always an explanation. Cant say that enough.”

    I would add, “and sometimes the explanation IS God.”

    I SO TOTALLY agree with post #52 by BishopWhiteT That I will repost its contents:

    “Many of these “Miracles” don’t bring glory to God, but rather to the recepient of the event, such as candidacy for sainthood, or the desire to worship someone other than God Himself (i.e. Mary). We have been specifically warned about such deceptions by God himself.

    To those who profess no faith in the supernatural whatsoever, I say that it takes a much bigger leap of faith to believe that things arrived at the current order from chaos than to believe a creator was involved. Evidence of a creator is the creation itself, or perhaps you think that the computer you are looking at right now “just happened”.

    As a final note to the non-believers, when I say you have more faith than believers, I really mean it. You have so much faith in your viewpoint that you are willing to risk punishment for eternity without any payoff. Good luck with that.”

    Finally, Idreno, someone ACTUALLY did do a study (on a corpse) of whether the hands could support the weight of the body. They, of course, cannot, by themselves, BUT(!), when the feet were nailed, and took some of the pressure off the hands, they could!!

    I like what one of my pastors had to say about it when I asked him what he thought. His reply was something along the lines of that even if that man hadn’t proved it could be done just as described in the Bible (without the addition of ropes), that he believes the power of God would have kept Jesus just where he needed to be to accomplish his purpose.

  • jack

    Exelcior – Wow… That was probably the most ignorant thing I’ve read on this site. Ever.

  • Marie

    The phenoma/miracle of incorruptible corpses intrigues me greatly. Is it possible that all these corpses had a certain genetic makeup that, when combined with a common dietary element (grape juice/wine?) Were able to be preserved longer and decompose a great deal more slowly than other bodies? The lack of rigor mortis, in addition to no decomposition w/o embalming is so baffling I feel as though I’d have to actually touch/move the corpse’s limb to make sure it was truly incorrupt.

    Furthermore, for the statue in no.7, did anyone ever test the blood for DNA and match it to the sisters? I’m not saying they made it up, I’m just wondering if, along with the piece of heart and blood from no.2, anyone has ever tried to extract DNA? Though it may be too late, given the year the miracle occured.

  • kiwiboi

    “Nothing is lost, nothing is created, everything is transformed” -Antoine Lavoisier

    LOL!! There’s nothing like supporting your anti-religion argument by using a quote from…a religious scientist!

    Idiot!

  • janus

    regarding #1 – why do photographers always photograph the crowd and never the event itself?? Or both in a wide angle shot.

    would help with the disbelief

  • SlickWilly

    Yun: My comment about leaps of faith was not geared towards you in particular. Just as one of the problematic assertions you must deal with from unrepetant and conceited atheists is that, somehow, we are more rational and logical (which I don’t believe) one of the assertions from religious folks that I see keep cropping up is that our position (atheists and atheism) takes a greater leap of faith than the belief in God. This conclusion is a logical derivitive for some folks from your and other’s assertion that the leap of faith exists (which, of course, it absolutely does). I didn’t want to single anybody out, which is why I didn’t name names, particularly since I was trying to cut-off a particular argument at the roots rather than call anyone out for anything they said on this thread. I apologize if you thought I was taking a swipe at you, that wasn’t my intention.

    Also, I hardly think I’m the first respectful atheist you’ve ever met. There is no way for you to know the religious convictions (or lack thereof) of every single person that you come in contact with. Also, I detect not just a hint of derision in that particular comment, which I find to be a little offensive, though I’m sure you didn’t mean it to be. There are quite a few respectful atheists out there; most, in fact, are incredibly respectful, simply because most seriously committed atheists are intelligent people, many of them former Christians who understand the social value of religion. The ones you have met that were arrogant and disrespectful are most often bitter people, invariably young and confused, who tend to lash out as way to reinforce to themselves that they are not the confused, inexperienced, tormented people that they truly are. Some have had bad experiences when they were younger, some falsely point to a lack of divine intervention in a particularly troubling case, perhaps the death of a loved one. Only those who are angry and have reason to strike out are the ones that are the most vocal about decrying religion. The problem for the rest of us atheists is that those that shout the loudest are the ones that end up characterizing the rest of us to non-atheists. Don’t make the ignorant mistake of thinking that the vocal minority speaks for the group at large.

  • SlickWilly

    Excelsior is a perfect example of the kind of confused, tormented person I’m talking about.

  • JB

    eraserhead & ninjajim: Have I said I believe in UFO’s?
    I just said that the cases are very similar. And the provenance depend on the social enviroment.

    That misunderstud you both had prove that you don’t know what’s a real skepticism. I respect people saying what they sight and I believe them. But giving it a religios or extaterrestial explanation just because it came from the sky without any prove is hilarous. Could be a secret weapon, meteorologic phenomena or even a joke of a genius or really some kind of God, I don’t know. But it has to be studied before saing “it was that”, and none of those miracles have been “proved” to be miracles.

    It’s hilarious to think people can say: “Oh! there’s something I don’t understand! God exist!” or “idem + aliens are here!”

    Incorruptible corpses have proved to be possible in some ambient conditions and in some embalming technics. So there ends the miracle.

    I didn’t said that “those” miracles have been proved to be false. I said that before those ones thousands have proved to be fake.

    You think that scientists presume that we know everything and that’s false. There’re many things we don’t know but we’ll get through it by the science couse is teh science and not your God who gave the computer you’re using (using some theories that belie some things you’re sure to be true) and it should at least prove its efficiency. Maybe someday we’ll find a new gauge field and we’ll call it God, and maybe it will be similar to Christian and Muslim god. But if it does exist, we’ll find Him through science.

    Yun: I can prove God exist:
    God is good, but God gave us intelligence and reasoning. We dismiss God by our intelligence couse we have no need to believe in Him and he’ve been giving us more and more proves that he is just an Invention to first explain what we couldn’t and, when we could, to mantain a hierarchy of classes: believe you’ll have a better live after this one so we can exploit you in this one…. ok, and all the evidences. But those evidences comes from our inteligence so… ¿is that God’s will? or devil’s? is God then a bad sadistic guy? aaahhh!! of course is what is called a faith test! That explains everything…

  • S_R

    JB, I’m not being mean–really. I would like to ask you if English is your native or second language?

  • Exelcior

    Ok, apparently I’m a “confused, tormented person” now because I don’t agree with some of you. Let me explain myself. “Life after death” is the basis of every religion humanity has ever created, from the Stone Age to now. Humans cannot accept the fact that their existence will end. “The Afterlife” is part of our mentality, and has been for thousands of years. Which is why people psychologically cannot accept an “end to all things”, and resort to religion.

    Basically, over the years, religion has lost ground to science. The polytheistic religions come to mind here. Early humans needed an entire zoo of dieties (Zeus, Apollo, etc.) as to provide an explanation for everything they did not understand (rain, snow). When science showed that rain/snow were normal, natural phenomenon, the polytheistic religions virtually dissapeared because they became completely useless. Worshipping a god of rain and thunder seemed ridiculous.

    So what’s left today that we need religion to explain for us? Not much. Two things: The creation of the universe and what is after death. Every religion that has survived to this day deals exclusively with those two things. Once science debunks them (and it won’t take long, we’ve done the “impossible” before), will there be a purpose to religion? No. Worshipping an invisible man in the sky that grants you immortality after death will be as silly as sacrificing a goat to Zeus for rain.

    I have no doubt that many will call me an idiot for saying this, because people still take religion very seriously. The believers of Zeus and Horus took religion very seriously as well, though.

  • S_R

    Also, why are so many focusing on the corpses as if proving or disproving that one is justification that miracles do or don’t exist?

  • S_R

    Thing is, Jesus was the real deal AND he proved there is life after death:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_appearances_of_Jesus

    Among the other scriptures, He showed himself to “more than 500 of the brothers” as well as others.
    1 corinthians 15:3-15:9

  • JB

    S_R: sorry, it’s my third lenguage. And I think it’s getting worse everyday ¬¬

  • S_R

    Also, God has existed from the beginning, way, way, WAY before (in fact, eternally) any FALSE religions. When the very people he created strayed from him, they were left with a void in their hearts and spirits that (to this day) needed to be satisfied. Hence, the false religions. Hence, humanism, atheism, agnosticism, pantheism, etc., as well as today’s version, the “science will explain it all to us”-types.

    If you read my previous post regarding the devil, it’s obvious that he was more than happy to fill that void with anything, especially religious, that would lead men AWAY from God. And by doing so, has decieved myriad people throughout man’s history. That includes, by the way, “worshipping” science. Now, don’t get me wrong! I believe God gave us the intelligence and the curiousity to peer into his creation. Scinece can be a good thing. It’s given us medicine, doctors, astronauts and rockets, knowledge of ourselves and life itself, modern conveniences, etc. etc., etc. Science is used improperly, though, when instead of using it to understand God better, we use it to try to disprove God and to justify our sins.

  • S_R

    JB, no problem. I know two languages and I can’t imagine learning a third!! :)

  • trojan_man

    Exelcior: and some humans cannot accept the fact that they don’t know what is after death so they think their opinion is correct and everyone else is “a bunch of retards and psychopaths”. Trying to enlighten people by calling them “retards and psychopaths” is about as useless as Andy Dick’s dick.

  • SlickWilly

    Exelcior: You seem like an intelligent person. Perhaps then, you could tell me the value in coming on an anonymous message board and devaluing religion and religious people the way you do. You have displayed exact the kind of remarkable arrogance and disrespect that I have previously commented on. You offer nothing constructive, no new information. I assure you, I’ve been around this site long enough to have seen – and taken part in – discussions on all the points you had to make in your second post, ad nauseam.

    You are not a confused and tormented person because some people don’t agree with you. I happen to be an atheist, but that is neither here nor there. You are confused and tormented because you have a desire to come to an anonymous message board – a forum where you will face little to no consequences for your actions – so you can call religious people “retards” and “psychopaths” (intentionally hurtful terms) and insult the very foundation of their spirituality. If you were not confused, you would be secure in your convictions and, being an intelligent person, realize the futility in your actions. Why does it matter what everyone else believes? It should only matter to *you* what *you* believe. If you were certain – I mean truly certain, which can only be demonstrated in actions and not in words – you would not have done what you did. You are tormented because you obviously get some degree of satisfaction over posting such overtly hateful and hurtful terms. That leads me to either of two conclusions: you get pleasure out of making others feel bad, which would make you a sociopath; or, the more likely scenario since there is no real visceral satisfaction through anonymous p2p interaction, you have had some painful experiences with religion in the past, and feel an intense need to sublimate this strong emotional reaction you have against it in an environment where it will not result in any real consequences.

    So, if neither of these things are true, please correct me. Remember that your reply to this will also speak volumes about who you are, so reply carefully. As long as you act respectfully, you will be allowed to stay around, and we will value your input and your opinion.

  • Cedestra

    As stated before, I am a druid (so classified as pagan). I was raised Roman Catholic. How do I feel about these miracles? I think I would do myself a disservice by disecting them. Whether I think they are real, scientifically provable, or a hoax, I feel I should just let them be. They don’t effect my life; I have never seen a miracle. If I did, would that shatter my theology or strengthen it? I’m not sure; I’d have to wait for the opportunity. I let those that believe, believe, and those who don’t, don’t. I guess you would call that sitting on the fence. I shall await the time in my life when it will be proper for me to consider miracles.

  • JB

    S_R: And who are you know that yours is not another false religion?

    When Science is used to desaprove God is because the blind faith did so much evil in the past and it’s still doing it. How you can tell to a dangerous cultist that he’s following one of the false religions?

  • trojan_man

    Cedestra: well-put from our resident Druish princess (I’m just assuming).

  • JB

    trojan_man: you’ve to admit you also don’t know what’s after death.
    I really would like to explain my point of view about it (don’t have enougth time, could be boring and requires at least some basics over modern phisics). Is not a scientific hipotesis but is a metaphisic reasoning I made through my scientific knowledgment. So it had to be at least in the same level that religion life-after-dead.

    What exelcior said is that Christian afterlife is so… nice. It’s a good railing to grab to. An easy explanation to calm yourself down about what comes next.

    As an atheist I don’t fear death itself, so I don’t doubt about the non excistance of christian afterlife. How many believers have so strong faith to say this?

  • trojan_man

    JB: I have two degrees…Mathematics and Engineering…rail away about things above modern physics. I did not say that I “knew” what was after death. But I also did not call people who believe differently than me “retards and psychopaths”.

    And I do not fear death. And some people who believe the Christian version will not think it very nice (y’know…hell and all). And as far as strong faith…everyone who believes in something has strong faith – even atheism.

  • S_R

    JB, because God has shown himself to be real not only by his creation, but to myriad believers in the past. His word, just on the way it describes man alone, and the (temporary) struggle between good and eveil is dead on! The multitude of prophecies that were dead-on and written long before they were fulfilled, and to the letter, proves to me they were divinely inspired (unlike the vague and many time incorrect, “prophecies” of others).

    Finally, because the existence of Jesus cannot be denied. Many may call him just a “wise man,” a “prophet,” or a “good man” and a “good teacher.” If he was any of these rather than God, then he was either a liar, deluded, or insane. So, how can we trust anything He said as some claim to do while denying his divinity?

    But if (or, more accurately, since) he was God, then we can trust all that he told us–and that means the WHOLE word of God as Jesus, himself, was the word. As I stated in another list, I’m not saying the modern Bible is without ANY errors, but as I explained, they are SO small as to be completely inconsequential.

    Besides the other evidence, the empty tomb proves He was who he said. I posted earlier (and it hasn’t yet appeared as there was a link that I guess is being checked before posting what I wrote) that also, He appeared to hundreds of people AFTER his death and before his ascension.

    There are a multitude of records of all the miracles Jesus performed. Great masses of people saw Him and immediately recognized what he was–God in the flesh.

    If a nonbeliever would bother to REALLy research the subject, they would find tons of compelling reason to believe not only that there is a God, but that he came in the form of a man and died on a cross to pay the price for our sin. Even the unbelievers that were present at his crucifixion had to admit, “”Surely he was the Son of God!” (Matthew 27:54)

    But it doesn’t end there. On the third day He arose and forty days later ascended to heaven in full view of many people. And thus, it was finished. The victory over death had been won. And now, the promise of eternal residence in God’s kingdom is made available to anyone who chooses to believe Jesus and who he is/was.

    Finally, and this would make no difference if not for all the other proofs, He has reveasled himself to me through the Holy Spirit. He has made himself VERY real to me by his workings in my life. But, as I said, that would mean nothing if not for the other things for the devil makes false religions very real to those who follow them. But you asked me “how do (I) know?”

  • S_R

    JB, also, you are correct–MANY HORRIBLE THINGS HAVE BE DONE IN GOD’S NAME!! I have done some myself. But that is not what God wants or asks of us. Jesus came to show us a new, different, better way. What humans do cannot be blamed on God as they are doing the exact opposite of what he wants. Please, DO NOT judge God by the actions of his fallible and sometimes even purely evil followers or those who claim to be followers.

    The Bible warns us about such people saying not only are they going to gain entrance into heaven, but they (EVEN!) prevent others from doing so (by their actions and false teachings)! God tells us:

    Matthew 7:
    21″Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

  • interesting list!

  • S_R

    S_R

    Thing is, Jesus was the real deal AND he proved there is life after death:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R…..s_of_Jesus

    Among the other scriptures, He showed himself to “more than 500 of the brothers” as well as others.
    1 corinthians 15:3-15:9

  • Matt

    What a load crap. Worst list ever. Not even well researched. You’ve just sourced everything off Wikipedia.

  • Ashleigh

    That seems a tad harsh, Matt. The list isn’t THAT bad.

  • S_R

    Cyn, you had no right to post my comment with your remarks added to it.

  • Cyn

    ROFLMAO! @ S_R. i have no right? you sent a copy to Jamie? what do you think this is…grade school?

    i included the comment to illustrate my point silly. it posted in its time stamped place in the flow of comments. so how would that be any different than anyone else referencing someone else’s comment in their own?

    you really need to chill out dude.

  • S_R

    I sent a copy to Jamie.

  • Kreachure

    You know what’s funny? That Listverse is supposedly atheist-biased, yet here we have S_R, who is the second top commenter on the whole site! :P

  • Riya B.

    That’s cruel to say Matt. Just because Wikipedia isn’t the greatest source doesn’t mean it’s all a load of crap!

  • S_R: you are incorrect about the transubstantiation argument – Catholics believe it becomes the spiritual flesh and blood – the flesh and blood of Christ the God not Christ the man – and they believe the substance changes – not the accidents – the cannibalism thing was put against Catholics right from the first 300 years of Christianity under the Roman persecutions.

  • Cyn

    LV is atheist biased? there sure are a lotta folks then who have not been paying attention. there is no pro atheist bias here. as the only self proclaimed atheist in admin here…i’d know. Jamie is incredibly even handed in his treatment of religion…far more than i would ever be.
    as for top commenter status. that changes and should not be an indication of anything other than current stats. so i’d place no importance on that at all.
    :)

  • Can we stick to the miracles that came AFTER the Bible please – clearly there are many in the Bible but this list is about those coming later. Additionally – can we cool it on Bible quotes – this list is not meant for conversions and the comments shouldn’t be either :)

  • janus: it is probably not much use photographing the sun as it spins and dips – as you wouldn’t see the motion. Nevertheless, a photographer at Fatima DID take a photo of the sun which you can see here.

  • S_R (#87): if Jesus was speaking in a PURELY symbolic way at the last supper, why did he later say this:

    “The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.” John 6:53-56

    When was the last time you drank his blood and ate his flesh? :)

    And also – the saints thing – the Catholic Church declares a person a saint when they are in heaven – so it is not a contradiction to what you said – all people in heaven are, by the definition of the Church, saints. The Church just picks out some who lived especially good lives as an example for others.

  • stevenh

    #74 Toxic:
    True that most pantheistic and non-theistic people were ‘destroyed’ by those who think that there is a divinity. Your very next paragraph seems to show that you have ceased to question, in that you are using ‘a connection with divinity’ as some sort of a given. That even ‘divinity’ has some sort of meaning outside of myth.

    I suspect that this is not your intention, and that you are inquisitive and intellegent. I am not writing this being critical, just as an observation of how pervasive the myth is in our thoughts.

  • Randall (58): thanks :) I am glad someone liked it :) It is clearly not to all tastes! Good to see you posting again btw.

  • I read *none* of the comments, so I could be sure they would not influence my own post in any way. While scrolling down I did see one name which gives me pause, so I want to make this post as clear and as lucid as possible.
    I was brought up Roman Catholic, and spent K – 12 in parochial schools. I learned my Baltimore Catechism first (Q -“Who made me?”
    A – “God made me.” Q – ” Who is God?” A – “God is love” and so on).
    As we got older, the lessons became more meaningful, deeper, and both more complex and more disturbing (I later found out that it depended a great deal on *who* was teaching you, that is, their interpretation, than the actual lesson). In the 7th grade, the nun teaching me Religion Class, Sister Eileen Therese, told us that only baptized Catholics could enter heaven.
    Being a bit too much of a smart-ass for my own good, and knowing that this statement was not fair, and the God we had been learning about *WAS* fair, I raised my hand.
    “Yes?”
    “What about people in the deep jungle of Africa? Someone who has never seen, or met, a Catholic? Someone who has no chance to get baptized?”
    “They can’t go to heaven”
    “I don’t want anything to do with your God!”, stamping my feet.
    “Go to the Principal’s Office!”…”NOW”
    When I told the Principal, to whom I had never been sent before, she shook her head and sighed.
    “You know that’s not true, dear” she said. But a seed of doubt had been planted, and it grew. Not about the existence of God, but about much of what I had been taught.
    If E.I. had been so wrong, who else might have been wrong? What else might have been wrong?
    I struggled with answers for years.
    In 1968 I studied T.M. with Marharishi Mahishi Yogi (sp?), which, while not truly a religion, gave me another tool with which to approach religion.
    In Uni I studied comparative world Religions, and I continue to read bits on it here and there. I study Astronomy, Physics, Geology, Anthropology, etc and I have a copy of the Catechism of the Catholic Church, as approved by John Paul II, second edition.
    okay, so all of this is an introduction to my take on the 10 Astonishing Miracles.
    As odd as it might seem, I have no problem with most of them.
    As I said earlier, I *do* believe in God. It may not be the same God I was taught about, but my core belief is that God is God…call Him/Her anything you want, worship in any fashion…it just doesn’t matter. It’s all the same. In fact, non-belief is the same, as well. Morality is what counts.
    But miracles. Miracles. Yes. Yes. They happen. They happen to believers and to non-believers.
    Of course belief makes it easier to “notice” the small miracles, but the large miracles, the Incorruptibility of St Bernadette 129 years after her death, and who smells of roses, The Miracle of the Sun, witnessed by as many as 100,000 people on 13 October 1917 in the Cova da Iria fields near Fátima, Portugal, and most of the others on the List.
    That belief in these miracles is 190 degrees opposite all of my scientific background is counterweighted by all of my religious learning ( note I did not say “training”, as after the 7th grade I took it upon myself to learn what I could about all things religious which interested me ).
    Anyway. Great list.

  • Mr.Graves

    Good list; I’d like to add a few notes though, but I think the latter sections of comments don’t get much attention (nobody has the time and energy to read every comment ever, so no one is to blame):

    1. On the topic of the miracles being primarily limited to Catholic/Christian faith:

    There are several situations and experiences that would qualify as miracles in other faiths but they are often not part of our vocabulary in the western world. My primary place of knowledge in this would be Buddhism, so I will stick to trying to frame those.

    -There are several reported cases of bilocation throughout Buddhist history, which occurs even today. This is the case when a master has reached such a state of enlightenment that he may project himself in several places at once and carry on conversations with people in those different places at the exact same time.

    -One of the hallmarks of the enlightenment of a passing master is the retainment of a holy jewel upon cremation. These jewels are usually dark red, and actually grow with the same properties as crystals over time. I have been lucky enough to see these with my own eyes.

    -Reincarnation. Simple one. It moves into miracle territory when the reincarnated have exact memories and specific knowledge of the previous incarnation- even without any previous contact with Buddhist culture or even a belief in Buddhism.

    Those are just three easy ones. I could do a list with a little more time. The thing is that most Buddhists don’t need to force everyone to agree with them, so they don’t put much money in the ‘Advertising for new recruits’ department.

    However: I am still, and always, a skeptic. I’m not sure exactly what point the term ‘skeptic’ became mixed with ‘cynic’ but I am not the latter.

    Many things we consider to be miracles are explainable through science- someone once said ‘magic is what people call science and technology they don’t understand’ and I stand by that. That doesn’t mean I can’t believe in holy things or in mystical experiences- it means I see no reason why they cannot be valued as holy or mystical even with a scientific explanation.

    I know why water falls over the side of a cliff. It’s not magic. It’s gravity. But in the presence of some of the most beautiful and awe inspiring waterfalls I have seen, they too are sacred- because of how they make me feel and how I revere their beauty.

    The real problem- the HUGE problem- comes from the dogmatics on both sides- the ones who say:

    ‘That’s it! It’s God! No more discussion!’

    or

    ‘You’re all idiots because I don’t personally believe in God!’

    And in the end the truth is both sides look like fools, whether or not there is or isn’t a God laughing at you.

  • Mr.Graves

    Also, the #1 miracle is explainable through science. Pretty much most of the miracles on the list are. Doesn’t mean they can’t be miracles if they serve to inspire you.

  • stevenh

    re: #96 S_R

    I am just being curious when I ask how http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resurrection_appearances_of_Jesus ‘proved there is live after death’.
    While I am sure that you view the quoted passages as ‘truth’ or perhaps even ‘Truth’, I guess I do not understand your concept of proof.

  • Cody

    As for number one. Mass hysteria? And all the others who claim powers of the mind, I believe in miracles and would love to see one…so why haven’t I? For those who claim illusions, are we to believe three children were able trick thousands into seeing the sun move?

  • S_R

    At Kreachure:

    And all those comments are 98% (probably, as I didn’t do the actual math) on one list which ASKED for my (as well as anyone’s) opinion. Otherwise, I have kept religion out of my comments except on the bugs list where I misinterpreted another poster’s comment as being anti-Chrisitian (but I was wrong–in my defense, I can only say that it was right, or very shortly, after the other list and I was still sensitive about the subject). Or, where I may have made a passing comment as to the wonderfulness of God. But they were not long, drawn out comments on religion or Christianity, per se.

    I do thank Jamie for being so even-handed in his treatment of comments, though, unlike Cyn.

  • JB

    S_R: Thank you for the quote.

    I can’t argue nothing. If you believe absolutly in the biblical tales I can say nothing.

    Some people just read it like a methafor.

    Let me make a discussion about this with the resurrection. Why did he ascent to the sky? Nowadays we know heaven isn’t there. Or in anycase must be beyond the Univers. So, if we take a telescope powerfull enought we’ll find Him not far away in his ascension? Not. If I’m a believer i’ll say that he just desapeared or crossed some kind of portal. But how could you explain that in those times? writers should’ve invented the ascencion tale couse is easier to explain.
    That’s just an example.

  • Cody

    Also, the story about the West Virginia woman who died and came back to life is amazing. But check this out, although not miraculous, still amazing. Warning, might be a bit gross for some. A girl has unexplainable razor sharp crystals coming from her eye.

  • astraya

    Owing to time zone differences, I’ve been asleep through all of this. Sitting now in a high school staff room, I don’t have the time or inclination to read through everyone’s comments.
    My last (random) comments on the topic: 1) when confronted with anything “para-normal” (using the word in its widest sense) the two equal dangers are uncritical acceptance and total rejection.
    2) faith (or lack of it) does not rely on miracles (or lack of them).
    3) I have never offered as an explanation “people are ignorant” or “people were brainwashed” (see Jamie @20 – if that was directed to me I explicitly reject it). I belong to a branch of the church that teaches that miracles are possible, though I have never seen one, and I don’t expect to see one. (Maybe I have seen one; maybe I just don’t recognise it as such.)
    4) many (nb many, not all) people see what they want to see – thus images of St Mary in a cheese sandwich or the peeling paint on the wall of a church.

  • andy

    i remained sober all last week

  • S_R: different parishes don’t teach different things – there is a party line in the Catholic Church and priests are expected to stick to it. Transubstantiation – as the name implies, is a change of SUBSTANCE and not of ACCIDENTS. The Accidents are the bit that looks and tastes like bread and wine – for this reason it can’t be scientifically proven to have changed via tests. I think we are probably on the same page fundamentally.

    As for the cannibalism thing, you might find this more useful to read – it explains it clearer than I can in a few short sentences.

  • S_R

    At Jamie (#120):

    I have tried to keep literal Bible quotes out of my comments, but it’s very difficult when dealing with people that like to retort with, “That’s your interpretation,” or who question the validity of anyhting I write as “(my) thoughts,” etc., as has been done all too often. Plus, sometimes, it just wraps up perfectly what I write. But please know, I have made a conscious effort to try not to make all my posts a Bible lesson. :)

  • S_R (138): thanks..

  • S_R

    At Jamie (#121):

    Actually a time exposure would show it dipping (especially with the slow emulsions back then, it could be done). As for the spinning, you could take a freeze-frame and a time exposure and it might show the difference. However, those shots could EASILY be faked. ;)

  • JB

    125. segue
    126. Mr.Graves

    thanks for both your comments. Long, but is worth to read them.

  • Kreachure

    Cyn: Hey, don’t blame me! I hadn’t heard anything about LV having an atheist bias until Jamie mentioned it on the intro to this list! :P

    Also, I’ve come to realize in the past two days that the Top Commenters stats aren’t as relevant or beloved as I thought they were. (I certainly love it back when I was up there… :) )

  • logar

    S_R- “But please know, I have made a conscious effort to try not to make all my posts a Bible lesson.”

    hahahaha… If this is your conscious effort to not make all your post look like bible lessons, I’d hate to sit through one of your bible lessons. Dude, virtually every argument you’ve made, you’ve fallen back to the bible, or a quote therefrom.

    Also, even if you do quote from the bible, the points you try to convey are *your* thoughts and *your* opinions. That’s why even your pastors my have differing views or thoughts on certain passages. Unless they share a hive-mind.

  • Exelcior

    SlickWilly:

    It DOES matter what others believe. Believing in skydaddies that look over you is, frankly, delusional. Why do I care? The problem is that this combined delusion of millions of religious followers is hurting us as a species. It doesn’t matter what religion they are. Delusion hurts us because religion resists reason and confrontation with actual fact. More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason. People are still being killed today because of faith while we’re debating about it . The number of great minds lost to religion throughout history is stagerring. That ALONE should be enough of a reason for anyone.

    Secondly, I don’t care what you think about me. If you’ve been posting here for so long, you’re perfectly free to DISAGREE with my arguments. But why do you change the subject? Why do you call me confused and delusional because I’m expressing my opinion in an anonymous Internet discussion? Guess what, you’re doing the exact same thing. You’ve only proven that you are a weak person who cannot refute my arguments. Instead, you resort to attacking me personnally, and run away from the real core of the problem, which is delusional beliefs that do nothing for the progress of the human species.

  • Kreachure

    *loved it (obviously)

  • S_R: I told you why the Church picks out individuals to declare as saints – they are not saying they are the ONLY saints – they are saying that their lives were the epitome of what we should strive to have – saintly.

    I am still confused – if Jesus specifically said you will not go to heaven if you don’t eat his flesh – how is it that you think this is not true? Just because the Bible can’t contradict itself? Perhaps that means the parts of the Bible that seem to contradict the “eat my flesh” bit need to be understood in terms that agree with “eat my flesh” and not the other way around? I am guessing you are a fundamentalist – Jesus said “eat my flesh” – not “eat my bread” – this is picking and choosing – who gives your pastor the authority to pick the bits that you believe as literal but not the others?

    Also, isn’t it a bit odd to use a book whose contents were chosen by the Catholic Church to try to prove that the SAME Church is wrong? :) That would flawed thinking in my opinion.

  • S_R

    At stevenh (#129):

    I listed other reasons why I believe in God and his word, the Holy Bible. I did, though forget to mention an important one, archaeology. But anyway, please reread that post and you will have the answer to your question. ;)

  • kreachure: there is only one way to the top – and you know what that is :)

  • stugy

    I am a math and physics graduate student. My future career will be to explain what has yet to be unexplained. I still enjoy was cannot be explained. If the world could be explained in full, what is the fun in that? I don’t ever want to know what will happen next, where is the mystery and awe in that? I do not know nor do I pretend to know what god may or may not be. This world is utterly beautiful and nothing can change that. These miracles are what make life interesting, God or not, religion or not, if you cannot enjoy life for what it is, then I am sorry for you.

    The whole idea of a miracle is a matter of perspective. You can believe that there is an active God and there is no point in understanding what we experience. Or you can believe there is no God what-so-ever and never wonder about these miracles; just assuming there is a scientific explanation.

    I prefer neither, I want to understand physical life, but I need there to always be wonder, I need there to be a mystery. I feel that is the meaning of life is to never stop questioning the world we live in while never stopping appreciating it.

  • Davo

    I think we can all agree the reason why number 1 is a load. Something happening in 1917 and tales of it spreading throughout villages and towns for years would be grossly exaggerated by the time anyone else hears it. Same with number 1. people do lie to fit in and or feel important. someone otherwise unpopular and uninteresting might say “ys the virgin amr spoke to me and predicited future things for me” I’d say that would have happened a lot especially in sucha heavily populated area where most peoples lives are otherwise mundane and hopeless. Number 8 is dodgy for the same reason as number 1. I could go on but can’t be bothered.

  • S_R

    At Logar (#144):

    You’re right, I thought about that after I posted. I shouldn’t have written “Bible lesson.” I should’ve written that I was trying not use “all scriptures.”

  • S_R

    Or, even “as few scriptures as possible” to explain myself. ;)

  • S_R

    At Excelcior (#145):

    In your, from what I’ve gathered is, humanistic thinking, is abortion OK?

    Farther up I made a post about the atrocities that have been commited in God’s name… And also, how that is not what God wants. They are going AGAINST his will in doing so and that we should NOT base our opinions of a perfect God on what imperfect people do (in his name).

  • diogenes

    Toast, potato chips, split/cut logs and tree trunks. Highway billboards or the scales on a fish. The shadows on a refrigerator at a certain time of day. These things are less sacred, less astonishing?

    yup.

    To tell the truth here. I had, years ago, something like “stigmata” form in the center of both my palms. Sure go ahead and dismiss, but, for weeks, they burned and itched, and red spots appeared in both. but only in the palms.. and there was no external bleeding, although light scabbing occurred from constant scratching. It eventually went away only to appear again in one hand and then the other–off and on for a least a couple more years.

    just putting that one out there for whatever it’s worth.. (excessive masterbation jokes aside)

    I still have , “doubts”(but thats not the right word) about the “incorrupt body”, since I first learned more about it from your list on the subject. Even if they say that there is no embalming or preservation techniques , Something rings weird to me. There are many natural preservation things that can occur, based on various reasons..
    and discoloration IS going to happen no matter what. So some sort of intervention must take place, if they want to show the public, the purity of belief. That’s what I’m thinking. Or is it in the diet? What does the church think the reason is?

    anyway.
    very interesting material to think about and look into further.

  • S_R

    At Jamie (#147):

    Jamie, you are correct in guessing that I am a fundamentalist. However, my knowledge of my faith is not just from any one teaching or even from my pastors. Pastors are people and can fail just like anyone else, and they often do just as anyone else. The Bible tells us to search the scriptures to see if what we’re being taught is in line with the scriptures. We are NOT to blindly accept any teaching just because of who’s doing the teaching. We are to see if the teaching is in line with God’s word, and if is, and only then, should we receive it as valid.

    I don’t, at the moment, have a ready answer to give you about what Jesus said, its context, etc. other than the answer I have given: Christ will not and does not contradict himself. So, if anyone inteprets the verses to say something that would be a contradiction, then the interpretation is wrong. I would have to do more research (than the lots I’ve already done in the past) to be able to give you a better answer. But there are explanations for it that do align with the rest of the word. I am just not able to recall them at the moment, but i have studied this particular subject (for my own enlightenment) in the past.

    Finally, as to your last comment in the post about using a book WHOSE CONTENTS THE CC CHOSE: It just happens that the CC was the TOOL USED BY GOD to see that his word was compiled correctly. But god can use anyone or anything to accomplish his goals. He can even use evil men (and I’m not directing that statement at the men involved) to accomplish them. It just so happens that that was the right tool at the right time and it served His Purpose.

    Therefore, the Bible’s contents were not chosen by men, but by God through certain men.

  • S_R

    OOPS–“God”

  • ken j

    I don’t understand what I’m seeing in the clip you linked to regarding Padre Pio. I don’t understand Italian so, obviously, I don’t know what they’re saying. But is he in a block of ice? That’s what it looks like to me. If not, what is it?

    If it is ice, I’m sure that would go a long way towards explaining his body being well preserved. If that’s the case, I have some trout in my freezer that’s incorruptable as well.

    Sorry, to be irreverent, but I just want to know what’s going on there.

  • jhm

    I think that is glass over Padre Pio.

  • ****
    #141. JB
    125. segue
    126. Mr.Graves
    thanks for both your comments. Long, but is worth to read them.
    ****
    Thank you, JB.

  • S_R

    Jamie, I didn’t mean for my earlier post seem like I was “screaming” at you. I was just emphasizing without wanting to use code. ;)

  • S_R: I appreciate your comment about the CC being the tool – if he used it as the tool then, why would you reject the other aspects of the CC from the same time? Things such as Bishops, transubstantiation, salvation by Grace, etc.? Is God not capable of protecting them from error – to a point that he had to wait 1,500 years for Luther and his friends to start doing things their way? What of Matthew 16:18-20 (particular the bit about the gates of hell not prevailing against it)?

    Oh – and I didn’t take your comment as screaming :)

  • ken j: it is glass over Padio Pio – the people looking through it are doing so to check the state of his body – it was found to be incorrupt so they removed the coffin and moved him elsewhere for re-dressing and preparations for putting his body on display – as well as making official records for the Diocese. I believe that he was already canonized a saint when they dug him up so it was not a contributing factor to his sainthood.

  • ken j

    Well, that makes more sense, I couldn’t imagine they had a deep freeze in the floor. That is some screwy looking glass though. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

  • ken j: it looks that way because of the condensation in the coffin I think.

  • Cedestra

    Trojan_man: Hey, I didn’t know I looked druish! ;)
    I wanted to post this on the very long and drawn out “Gay Marriage” list, but it’s been broken for a few days. So, here goes: “The last refuge of a man with no answers and no argument is ‘God did it!'”~ George Carlin. That’s really the only retort or response on religion, God, Jesus, churches, and Biblically influenced decisions I can say to S_R.

  • DiscHuker

    cedestra: but what makes what you say the truth?

  • stugy

    Thanks for a great list that made me fall in love with this site all over again

  • Cyn

    S_R
    you have issues w/ my admin access i suggest you take that up w/ J.

    speaking as someone who loves Listverse not as an admin –
    i respect J’s handling of your situation but i can not agree w/ it.
    i see you as a hijacker. i see you as cheap ass pulpit pounding bigot who is hell bent on pontificating his drivel regardless of whether it is even remotely relevant to the list at hand or this site.
    i see you as some poor pathetic traumatized soul in dire need of therapy who is lapping up what attention you get here like a starving dog. when what you need is to be shown the door, preferably one leading to a therapist’s couch.
    for so long as people encourage you and validate you here you will never find true healing. so for that i pity you. i would hope you find the strength within yourself to acknowledge you need therapy and cease interfering with other people’s enjoyment of this an entertainment site. its called ‘List Verse’ not S_R’s personal pulpit.

    again..i call you out to forums, a far more appropriate place for this exchange than here.

  • astraya

    jfrater: Jesus wasn’t talking about “the Catholic Church” in the passage you quote. He was talking about “my church”. There’s a difference.
    Why don’t Roman Catholics ever quote the bit that comes immediately after, still talking to Peter:
    “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” This is “the rock”? Good one, Pete! That didn’t take you long.
    On the topic of miraculous signs, check out what Jesus said at the beginning of ch 16.

  • ohrmets

    #1 is really interesting–I’m surprised I haven’t heard of it before.

    Although, wouldn’t everyone THROUGHOUT Portugal (and Spain and all of Europe and millions of people) have seen the same sun that the people in the village saw? Is it even possible for the event to be localized like that? I’m not trying to smack down the story, but it’s something to think about.

  • astraya: what is “his Church” then? If not the Catholic Church which had St Peter as its first Pope and set up the system of Bishops under the apostles? Surely not the Anglican Church – they broke from the Catholics – as did all modern protestant religions – the only ones that date back to Christ and the apostles were the Catholic and Orthodox churches. So if he doesn’t mean that Church – which one does he mean?

  • DiscHuker

    jayfray: many commentators believe that the “rock” that Christ is refering to is the confession that peter made right before this statement, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God.

    it is this statement that delineates the true church.

  • Reese

    As a Catholic, I am aware of most of these miracles and hundreds of others throughout history. FYI Catholics do NOT worship Our Blessed Mother Mary, but honor her as Our Lord Jesus Christ’s mother. We ask her to intercede for us, to pray for us, no different than asking a friend to pray for us, except of course Our Blessed Mother has large favor with God unlike us sinners. If people were not so ignorant and actually looked at the prayers of the Rosary to Our Blessed Mother, they would see they are Christ centered, as always, and we meditate on Christ’s life during the 10 decades.

    The authentication process of these miracles is a strict one performed by the Catholic Church. They are very rigorous in their methods for determining an authentic miracle or apparition of Our Blessed Mother, and rarely do so. The so-called apparitions of “Medjegory” are NOT approved apparitions, and never will be.

    FYI, Fatima was witnessed by thousands of people of all walks of life, from communist politicians, doctors, lawyers, many, many unbelievers before they witnessed the Miracle of the Sun. It was reported, with photos, in 1917 on the front page of the local COMMUNIST newspaper. The government officials of Fatima threatened to boil the three children in oil if they didn’t tell the “truth” and take back what they were saying about Our Blessed Mother appearing to them. They were also jailed for a short period of time. The children never wavered on their story once. Yes, these children were poor as was Our Lord. It is also worthy to note that Our Blessed Mother told the children that the two younger ones would die soon after, as they did, and the oldest, Lucia, would live for some time after, she died on February 13, 2005, at the age of 97.

    On a final note, it is quite amazing that any other religion on the planet is “hands off” as far as bashing, except for the Catholic Church. Our Lord did say we would be persecuted.

  • Reese

    [quote]jfrater: Jesus wasn’t talking about “the Catholic Church” in the passage you quote. He was talking about “my church”. There’s a difference.
    Why don’t Roman Catholics ever quote the bit that comes immediately after, still talking to Peter:
    “Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men.” This is “the rock”? Good one, Pete! That didn’t take you long.
    On the topic of miraculous signs, check out what Jesus said at the beginning of ch 16.[/quote]

    Isn’t it odd that you use the Bible to try and disprove something about Our Lord’s Church. Where do you think the Bible came from? Answer: The Roman Catholic Church (which means God’s Words were written down by the Apostles, the first Pope and Bishops of the Catholic Church). By whose authority do you interpret said Bible, which btw is likely a massacred version of the Original? Your own?

  • Tomo

    I beg to differ with the title of this list. It should be called “Top 10 Chritian Miracles”. You can’t generalize.

    Do miracles only happen in a religious context? that too, only in the Christian religion??

    While crossing a street I was hit by a car doing 65mph. The car was totalled because of the impact, it hit nothing else but me. I was flung in the air and landed 16 feet away. I escaped with only a hairline fracture in my shin and some cuts and bruises. To me, THAT is a miracle.

    I guess everyone has there own definition of what a miracle is. To JFray a miracle might mean extraordinary events in Christian history.

  • Wildlifeman

    Well this list has certainly inspired the comments. I guess I will add a few of mine:
    1) What is wrong with believing in miracles? We may have different definitions of what a miracle is, but I believe they happen everyday. Some are just more dramatic than others.
    2) If you choose not to believe (which is ones right) I don’t see the point in calling those who chose to believe names or degrading them.
    3) OK, this one is nitpicky, but for those who post comments here or anywhere trying to show your mental superiority, I would suggest either checking a dictionary or at least write your comments on MS Word or similar program and using spellcheck. You tend to lose credibility with all of the incorrect spellings. (I apology to Jamie and everyone else in advance for opening that can of worms).

  • Winglock

    What, no Rasputin?

  • fishing4monkeys

    Tomo: But was your accident on worldwide news and with it’s own page on wikipedia? Is it readily avaliable to anyone (like JFrater)? No…religious miracles are more widely known because they are a hotter topic (as evidence in all the people arguing on this list). So they are easier to find.

  • Tomo: there is a difference be a Miracle and luck. Miracles are the things you see above^^^. Luck is what happens when for some reason you happen to be mid stride with your weight shifting from one foot to the other balancing yourself evenly and getting hit in just that right spot on a car to decrease it’s New value to Less than what it was prior to the accident and then walking away.

    I have kicked cars and totaled them, Break a window on an old Datsun (Now Nissan) and you have totaled it.

    What a different look at luck? Dropping Four units (unit= just under a pint) of blood into the toilet, get to the hospital just in time to find out that if they hadn’t given you the anticoagulants as soon as you walked in the door you would have lost another unit and died.

  • astraya

    jfrater: I hardly know where to start.
    Since 381 the one, holy, catholic and apostolic church has been proclaiming belief in “one, holy, catholic and apostolic church”. Every Sunday I join with countless others around the world to proclaim that belief.
    Whatever the “one, holy, catholic and apostolic church” is, it is clearly a different concept than “the catholic church”. You choose to interpret “universal” narrowly (and to exclude me). I choose to interpret “universal” widely (and to include you).
    Back to early church history. By the 2nd century there were 5 acknowledged centres of Christianity (in no particular order): Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome. The bishop of Rome held primacy, but “only in the sense of a primacy of honour, not one of jurisdiction” (wiki).
    Back to biblical history. In Acts 15, Peter submitted himself to the authority of the gathering of apostles and elders in Jerusalem, and to James in particular. In 1 Cor 12, Paul talks about the body of the church being made up of the various parts. No part is any more important than another; each has a role to play.
    Further back. On several occasions Jesus took Peter, James and John aside. On several other occasions he spoke to the 12 apostles, including what is called “the great commission”. One of those apostles told someone else, who told someone else, who travelled to Britain as a soldier or trader, who told someone else … who told someone else, who was there when Augustine came from Rome to Britain, only to find that the Christian church already existed there, who told someone else … who told someone else, who told my parents, who told me.
    The Anglican church didn’t break from “the Catholics” – it broke from the authority of the bishop of Rome. The Anglican church isn’t “Protestant” – it is “catholic” and “reformed”. It is part of the “one, holy, catholic and apostolic church”.

    I don’t want to hijack this discussion, so I’ll stop now.

    Miracles happen. Some believe. Others don’t. Neither need the bishop of Rome to tell them that it did or didn’t happen. Goodbye.

  • Mr.Graves

    JFRATER:

    I don’t type in caps. My comments never get noticed or replied to, however. I want you to take note of this.

    Comments: 114, 155. S_R particularily(but is not the entire focus of this post, their are others and we both know who they are) accuses abuses and bias because their comment was quoted, reprinted, and then held in context for another person’s quote.

    That’s fine. It’s your call. Unlike others, I don’t claim to own this site. It is completely yours and if you want to shut it down tomorrow, that is your call. I won’t whine and throw a hissy fit.

    However:

    COMMENTS:

    142: The SAME poster that complained to you about their post being quoted did the dxact same thing in repitition to ANOTHER’s post. Post 142. AMONG OTHERS ON OTHER FORUMS.

    The only difference is PARSING. You have the originals, you know whether I am being false or not.

    I am pertubed mostly, not by people having a religious view, but the sick and idiotic hijacking- as others have said so accurately- by some small amount of individuals SCREECHING about how they are being oppressed while doing the exact thing they complain about to others. They literally scream that others do not have the right to do what they do exactly because it is WRONG!

    PLEASE- show me one list on the site that is ‘pro athiestic bias’!

    ‘Pro-Athiest Bias’ is ANYTHING that challenges certain people to provide any factual or scientific evidence!

    Read my posts above- I actually support the idea of Miracles!

    Please… please… please.. do NOT let a few screeching harpies destroy your forums and site!

    If you keep bending to the proliferation of a few people who have nothing better to do with their time than send you emails criticizing that you don’t do what they want, you will eventually lose the perspective of the entire site.

    I spent nearly a year watching this site before I ever made a comment- how many people who are just casual viewers do you think will just turn away because they don’t have time to watch this garbage?

    Don’t let people censor, reverse censor, bully or bullshit the site because they are cult members.

    It’s that simple. Two words. Cult Members. They are scared little cowards who need to make everyone agree with them so they don’t have to ask any questions about what they can’t answer.

    It’s not your job to ruin your own passion to satisfy the stupid and ignorant people of the world- and if you do, you will lose out, they will feel righteous in their fanatiscism, and all of us will lose out.

    Because not right now, maybe not tomorrow, but the thinking people will decide they just don’t have time for dealing with morons, and qwhen we leave, you will be left with another waste of energy, when you still have so much potential right now.

    You see those numbers? Those thousands who aren’t commenting or posting but you know are viewing? Those people who stop by every day and made the site what it is without whining and crying and screeching to you about ‘what they want’ and ‘their sacred rights’?

    Those people, you will lose, if you buckle to the few wailing idiots who think it is their righeous crusade to screech like banshees to the rest of the world about how they know the truth and their cult of stupidity is the only one people should be stupid enough to follow.

    Then you will have 2, or 3, very sacred followers, and 2, or 3, very sacred lists.

    Cheers.

  • CRSN

    great list jfrater, i guess a lot of the people commenting regaring the fact (?) that the list contains only Catholic miracles, no maliciousness intended, but a lot of the early religions were based around the same ideoligy, with out Jesus you wouldnt have Islam, with out Abraham you wouldnt have Christianity, and so on and so forth (i relly dont want to go in to that debate, just a quick example)

    Even a lot of Asian religions have taken away, in some form, teachings that can be found in the bible and the koran, i guess over the evolution of different religions they have tried to acheive a common goal in their teachings.

    but a miracle to me would be if God erased Scientologists, win win situation.

  • CRSN

    182 Mr. Graves – a little long winded, but I agree with what you have said, but, I don’t think Jamie tries to please these certain posters, I’ve watched the site for several months my self, generally the people who try to push their beliefs/misinformation on to other posters get cut down pretty quick by every one who disagrees with them, in turn, the original poster of the offending comment replies with a comment that just makes them look like a dick head, I know I have done it before.

    I think the best way to view these lists, is by being open minded to the way that other people think, and at the back of your mind you can think whatever you like about them, the problem that THEY usually have is not being able to except the views of others and having to keep pushing their beliefs on to everyone until their red in the face, which is fucking Hilarious in it self.

    Everyone has their own individual beliefs, I’m an atheist, but it is interesting to see what others rely on to get through the day.

  • Vera Lynn

    Cyn (169) Yea!! I am with you!! I’ve been called a spoiler, but I am nowhere near S_R. He is a menace to your bro’s WS. I’m all for free speech, but come on. Enough is enough. I’m bailing. S_R will be your only commenter. Yesterday I felt I didn’t deserve it. Today, give it to whomever. S_R is a poison. No one likes to debate him.

  • CRSN

    Vera and Cyn – sounds like you guys copped a fair bit of shit since i’ve been away.

    S_R – nobady likes a cry baby, keep to the subject at hand and stop pushing you shit thoughts on the rest of the posters, if you dont have anything nice or helpful to say, come over and sit next to me and we’ll have a good ol’ talk about your dispoition of putting prople down.

    if this hits a nerve with you, then good, shows that you might have heart.

  • CRSN

    bugs not fixed yet, i was suposed to say – disposition of putting people down.

    i hate this shitty computer i got at the moment

  • Vera Lynn

    CRSN (186) Please help. You feel like a super hero. I normally wouldn’t make such a comment, but people need to have a united front. Maybe you are our leader. Some one needs to stand up and say “Enough is Enough”

  • sdggrant

    The only miracle in this world, is that we(as humans) haven’t exterminated ourselves with our stupidity and false superstitions.

  • CRSN

    Vera Lynn – I have a tear in my eye, nah not really, cheers for the positive comment though.

    i know its hard for the site to be policed by jfrater and only so much can be done. i come to this site, to read the lists and the comments to have a better understanding of the others beliefs and at the same time not let them effect me in a way that i have to directly comment back at particular posters, thats YOU S_R, but at the same time, if i can learn from another poster and it is in tune with my thinking, that is something i have gained and it is positive.

    i dont like posters getting on their high horse and resorting to abusing this site just to get the shit off their liver, it makes us feel as though we’ve ACTUALLY said something factually incorrect and makes them feel as though their right in what they are saying, now, i’m an athiest, but i’m open minded, there are things like UFO’s and aliens which i consider absolute bullshit, but there are people that beleive in it and who am i to say they are wrong, everyone has their own beleifs, it just becomes a problem when they start pushing their beleifs on us like a drug dealer.

  • Joey11y

    Wow kinda makes you put some perspective on life and death and religion. Kinda reminds me of what a friend told me a week or so ago. She used to work as a nurse and her main job was sitting beside terminally ill patients and care for them until the end. She and all the nurses would always talk about how when someone passed 2 smells would get emmitted from the bodies. The smell of flowers or the smell of sulfer. She thought that flowers meant that the person went to heaven and sulfer when in the opposite direction. LOL I gotta admit that story kinda made my hairs stand up for a min.

  • Mr.Graves

    I want to apologize if I came off too strong- my main point wasn’t to create a fortress of beliefs but to point out how just some few individuals were trying to spread their cult/poison through everyone else.

    I know nothing anyone will say will make them actually use their brains. I know intelligence or awareness or individual thought is considered a horrible thing to cult members.

    I’m not attacking those people who know it as well.

    My point, is mainly to raise a finger, a hand, a note, to the fact that just a small few of (what science would… literally call insane) but they hold as ‘faith’

    The entire message and point of faith is based around one thing:

    ‘No one can prove or disprove it so don’t infringe on my right to say it is completely true!’

    Stop. Think about it. It all boils down to that.

    You can’t argue with a ‘true beliver’ because they live in the realm of the ‘unproveables’.

    It is unproveable that Jesus has a transubstansiated form in a piece of bread or wine. It is unproveabe that a giant teacup being riddin by a dinosaur with a genius IQ exists always just one step outside our abilitiy to view reality.

    The difference is, honestly…

  • kiki

    great list jfrater.

    nothing is ever impossibe. let’s just respect each others beliefs here and refrain from calling catholics retards and psychopaths.

    i’m a catholic but i never felt i had the right to insult other people who do not share my faith and points of view.

  • Cyn
  • DiscHuker

    vera lynn and CRSN: really? you guys need a united front to battle the horrible oppression that is being forced upon you on an internet message board? c’mon. threads get turned all the time. welcome to list verse if you haven’t noticed this before. take your own advice, respond to what you see as offensive/wrong and continue the discussion.

    mr. graves: wow. so, let me get this straight. someone who would call themselves a christian is lacking intelligence, a brain, science would call ‘insane’ (which by the way, provide a source for that one. i’d like to see someone stand up and say that in the scientific community) and is trying to spread poison?

    the doctrines of the Christian faith, which you so clearly misunderstand, are not based on what is unprovable. the Bible even lays out a test. in the book of 1 corinthians in the Bible the apostle Paul says that if the resurrection didn’t happen then we, christians, should be pitied more than all men. this should happen because we have devoted our life to a lie.

    i give you permission. present to me PROOF, this is your standard of believing not believing things, that the resurrection didn’t happen and i will gladly throw away all orthodox doctrine and join you in whatever our minds dream up to be worthwile. remember that eyewitness account is on my side.

    as far as the bread and wine stuff, that is secondary. let’s look at the meat and potatoes of christianity.

  • Mr Graves: I appreciate your comment – thank you – tomorrow I will answer more specifically – I can’t do so now as I am not at home!

  • Mom424

    DiscHuker: The problem isn’t with the meat and potatoes of Christianity, it is the differing opinion of what that is. In my view, as I was raised, the meat and potatoes of Christianity is Love one Another and forgive thine enemies. It is not love one another and forgive thine enemies as long as they curb their beliefs and practices to my narrow-ass, bigoted, prejudicial and archaic world-view.

    And quoting Scripture as proof of ones belief, a book that only half the world believes in; and of that half what percentage actually believe it to be the literal truth? Not even most Christians for goodness sakes. Serves no purpose here other than to give someone a pulpit from which to preach. It is not proof, it is affirmation. A big difference.

    What is the difference between using your bible to justify actions and beliefs and a fundamentalist Muslim using the Quran? Nothing.

    Wildlifeman: Not everyone who frequents this site speaks English as their first language. Spell check is only so useful you know? I personally appreciate the effort of folks who try to make their opinions known. If I don’t understand something due to butchered syntax I ask for clarification. It is as easy as that.

  • SlickWilly

    “It DOES matter what others believe. Believing in skydaddies that look over you is, frankly, delusional. Why do I care?”

    No, Excelsior, it doesn’t matter what others believe. Again you use this degrading term “skydaddy” and call people who believe in God delusional. You have no proof of this. It’s simply a mean-spirited jab, with no corroborating evidence. For all the proof we have of God and for all the proof we have against him, it’s just as likely that you are the delusional one. And I agree, why *do* you care? I expect we will see very shortly. Your comments are revealing.

    “The problem is that this combined delusion of millions of religious followers is hurting us as a species. It doesn’t matter what religion they are. Delusion hurts us because religion resists reason and confrontation with actual fact.”

    Oh yes, Excelsior because you obviously care *so* much about the “species.” Please. Thats trite, tired and, frankly, ignorant of you to think that I would actually believe that. Again, you are here calling religion a “delusion.” What do you *really* have againt religion, excelsior? Religion may resist *your* reason, excelsior, and in which case you should rightly be an atheist, but that doesn’t give you a right to disrespect somebody’s faith simply because their perspective doesn’t agree with yours. That’s juvenile, though I quite think by the way you have posted your comments that you are little more than a child yourself.

    “More people have been killed in the name of God than for any other reason. People are still being killed today because of faith while we’re debating about it . The number of great minds lost to religion throughout history is stagerring. That ALONE should be enough of a reason for anyone.”

    No, excelsior, you are generalizing, and stupidly. Religion is not responsible for these deaths. Men are, who use religion as an excuse for carrying out their own personal agendas. In them, religion has been perverted into a tool of war. Religion, like other ideas, are benign by themselves. They cannot instigate anyone to commit atrocities. Only people are capable of that, and people have, throughout history, perverted many fine ideas for their own personal gain. That is only “reason enough” for small-minded bigots like yourself who have not learned or do not have the capacity to delineate between the two.

    “Secondly, I don’t care what you think about me. If you’ve been posting here for so long, you’re perfectly free to DISAGREE with my arguments.”

    Good, and I’ll do that with zeal because your arguments are petty and ignorant. It would irresponsible of me to allow them to continue.

    “But why do you change the subject? Why do you call me confused and delusional because I’m expressing my opinion in an anonymous Internet discussion? Guess what, you’re doing the exact same thing.”

    No, the subject, originally, was why you are a confused and tormented child who takes pleasure in insulting and degrading others. You are perfectly free to express your opinion according to the Listverse commenting rules, listed under the posting FAQ below the comment boxes. When you begin to use hateful, derogatory language, you cross over into being a bully. I’ve dealt with bullies – they are weak, unsure of themselves, overestimate their own intelligence and self-worth, and above all, ignorant. You are turning out no different. You still have a chance to change my mind.

    “You’ve only proven that you are a weak person who cannot refute my arguments. Instead, you resort to attacking me personnally, and run away from the real core of the problem, which is delusional beliefs that do nothing for the progress of the human species.”

    You haven’t *made* any arguments against the original topic. You’ve only confirmed my suspicions. I refuse to acknowledge your tired arguments about why religion is “deluded” because its obvious you would just cut and paste your arguments from one of the dozens of hack websites the people like you come in and quote from, and such arguments are patently ridiculous. Grow up, “excelsior.” You can’t be a child for the rest of your life.

  • DiscHuker

    mom424: the reason quoting the scriptures is important for me for this particular argument is that i am giving you the measuring rod for my faith. i am saying that i believe it. i am not asking you to do so. if you want to understand my perspective, i am giving it to you. it is vital for me to understand the quran if i am to understand what a muslim is trying to argue.

    as far as the meat and potatoes of the christian faith, it is that we are sinners in need of grace and God has provided a savior to make up for our lack.

    love one another is an outflow of the above. lots of people believe they should do that but there is much distinction in WHY they should do that.

  • JB

    For people searching for more information about those miracles and other paranormal phenomena. I’d like to recommend an spanish TV show called “Cuarto Milenio”. You can look for it in youtube. It’s in spanish but if someone understand it is worth to see it. All of those miracles have been discussed there with lots of documentation and nice dialog. Always from a clinical point of view without demagogy.
    For example:
    Padre Pio
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=et8a8nw63hU
    Fatima miracle (# 1)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vIAGdOvWh0

    and so on.

    I recomend this two also:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5NzyxxbbC4&feature=related
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6MfpPr0Cb0

    In my country nearly everybody over my age (me also) have been christened and did the first communion (¿it’s called like that in english?) due historical tradition. So those people are talking about something they know about.

  • Mom424

    Yes DiscHuker your arguments do in fact explain your beliefs, and you use bible quotes help us understand why you believe what you do. That is a far cry from standing on a pulpit and saying nyah, nyah, ne nyah nyah, see I’m right the bible says so. That is not the vibe I get from you. It is the vibe I get when reading a list hi-jacked in order to convert. S_R’s motivation, stated by him.

  • JB

    SlickWilly: take care about your words. Exelcior is using reasoning, if you feel offended by that maybe you have a huge “faith” problem. Read back your comment is just ridiculous. Try to deffend your opinion with inteligent ideas in stead of insults.

  • SlickWilly

    JB: Who asked you? You have missed the point of my comment. I am not offended, I am angry. There is a difference. My opinion is that excelsior is acting like a child by disrespecting religion as a whole. I have evidenced that both with referencing his comments and explaining why he would not have to say the things he said if he were a confident adult. While you’ve decided to intervene with this unsolicited advice (that means, I did not ask you for it), I will advise you to check your comments for grammar and spelling. Your English is clearly not very good and I will not waste time arguing with someone who won’t even be able to fully understand what I’m saying.

  • Wildlifeman

    Mom, you are right that many here do not use English as their primary language, and I was not referring to them with my previous statement. I was referring to those who want to come across as know-it-alls and use words that they have no clue how to spell, or cannot distinguish between their and there or they’re, etc. My only point is that they may have valid points, but using the wrong words or misspelling several can make them lose credibility. Besides, I did say it was nitpicky.

  • eraserhead

    Wasn’t X-Files a great show. I see a lot of parallels between these discussions and that show. Mulder is the believer and sees the paranormal and then Scully is able to scientifically explain what happens. Mulder will always believe though and Scully will always try to find a scientific explanation. And they got along great!

  • JB

    SlickWilly: you suffer a paradigmatic case of fanaticism discrediting everyone that try to open your mind. Sorry for trying it.

  • ****
    #185. Vera Lynn

    Cyn (169) Yea!! I am with you!! I’ve been called a spoiler, but I am nowhere near S_R. He is a menace to your bro’s WS. I’m all for free speech, but come on. Enough is enough. I’m bailing. S_R will be your only commenter. Yesterday I felt I didn’t deserve it. Today, give it to whomever. S_R is a poison. No one likes to debate him.
    ****
    Vera Lynn: Don’t read S_R!!!! Just skip over his posts. Always. I do. There is, in fact, by now, one List I don’t read at all because of him. But let that bl**dy little *ss win by sending me away? Nope? Jamie set me straight on that, and thanks again, jfrater, though his wording was so much nicer.
    I thought *you* needed to hear the harsh truth straight from the shoulder, Vera Lynn. You are more valuable to listverse than 100 S_R’s.
    Got it?

  • ****
    173. DiscHuker
    jayfray: many commentators believe that the “rock” that Christ is refering to is the confession that peter made right before this statement, that Jesus is the Christ and the son of the living God.
    ****
    DiscHuker: Jesus, himself, explained the ref. “Your name is Peter, and upon this rock, I shall build my Church”.
    The word for “rock” was “peter”, so it was not only a statement of fact, handing over the reigns of the Church to Peter, the apostle, and the first Pope, but a pun as well.
    Jesus was well known for his puns.

  • SlickWilly

    JB: Fanatacism? Sorry JB, again you misunderstand. I don’t care how you or excelsior feel about religion. I am comfortable enough with my own atheism that I do not need to go around insulting religious people who don’t deserve it. LV has been having a real problem lately with bigots soapboxing about the evils of religion or the evils of non-religion. I am getting very tired of it and have decided to call out the trolls for what they are. My mind is open plenty, which you would know if you actually took the time to stick around and regularly read my comments, as I do with everyone else. I don’t give one flying frig whether or not you or excelsior feel that religion is delusional, I have my own feelings on the topic. If you would like to debate that, join the forums and start a thread, and I’ll be glad to debate with you. Right now, I’m *not concerned* about that. I’m concerned about keeping overt and transitory trolls like excelsior from polluting our forums.

  • JB

    ok, maybe I took it out of context, I don’t know how long is this problem lasting. In any case, the insult and discrediting is never the best answer.

  • trojan_man

    Slick: I never thought I would be in total agreement with a professed atheist, but your arguement is well put.

  • S_R

    At Cedestra (#166):

    Yes, you’ve certainly shown great intelligence in quoting such a learned scholar, there. LOL!! Unfortunately, and I am not judging him as I have no idea what’s happened to him or with him since the early eighties, unless he changed his beliefs since that statement, he’s had a rude awakening.

  • kiwiboi

    Jesus was well known for his puns.

    He had pretty good piceps too :)

  • Cyn

    apparently rock trumps miracles. so anything more about off topic discussion in this list can be dealt w/ in the forums thread i started. scroll up for that.

    that means you S_R.
    bye!

  • kris

    I thought every one will tell the stories of miracles they see or hear…but i can see arguments or fights going on here :(

  • JB

    kris: agree

    about the miracle # 1
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Secrets_of_Fatima
    nothing have been said about the three prophecies here. Why?

  • Cedestra

    Uh, S_R, George Carling said that up to the point when he died. That was a direct quote from his last tour.
    Thanks, though- I think he is a learned scholar. Glad I could pick someone you approve of.
    S_R, maybe you’re a bit dense about this, but I picked up on it. Cyn and JFrater have patiently put up with your circular reasoning on the Gay Marriage list because it was an open topic . This, however, is not an open topic. Your discussion should revolve only around the list, not your Christian propaganda.

  • Cedestra

    -Carlin-

  • CRSN

    S_R – Mate, your totally fucked in the head (sorry Jamie and all but this has gone on too long) it sounds like you’d be right to fit in to the top ranks in Scientology, your rants are as incomprehensable as Tom Cruise on Oprahs couch, i mean for fuck sake man, havent you read the other posts, i think you need to the back off, i come to this site to enjoy and be enlightened by others thoughts, their thoughts provoke me to look within my self and to be excepting, of which you are not, as i have said previously, i’m an athiest, but i still have respect for others views, you remind me by your denseness of Baldric off Black Adder.

    Grow the fuck up and have something nice and constructive to say.

    Everyone thats new – that is not to be taken to heart by anyone new to the comments section of this site, this site is great and every one here is nice, but occasionally the garbage needs to be taken out and S_R has been rotting in a corner for a long time now, Have a nice day y’all.

  • CRSN

    S_R – Oh yeah, one other thing, why do you not have the balls to respond to my comments and your more than happy to try and stand over Cyn and others, must have hit a nerver eh?

  • CRSN

    Cyn – can you write the link out in a comment for the forum, i dont know why, but i cant access it from any other points on the page, and i think Jamie will kick my ass if i rant more in the comments.

  • Cyn
  • CRSN

    Cyn – cheers, i owe you one.

  • CRSN

    S_R – come out of the wood work again to have a go at someone else’s beliefs whilst pushing your own, we have a nice little forum going at the moment because of you, yes you, you have bought out a lot of long time users of the site, and we aint happy with what you are saying, if you dont have the balls to come to the forum to chat like an adult, your comment will therefore be ignored in the future, because of your bible quoting ways, we are discussing how to format the site so we can start banning people like you, but ultimatly it is up to Jfrater, and you have made us have to rethink the free speech part of the site considering your spaming us with bible nonsence. you should go to the forum to see what Tempyra has said in regards to your recent actions, i’m sure YOUR lord would not be happy with how you are handling this matter.

  • Marie

    S_R, do you eat pork? Because the bible also strictly forbids that. It was written thousands of years ago and many of the rules no longer apply as our society has evolved. Incest was just fine back in the biblical days, but I’m pretty sure you’d consider it a sin now. At least I hope you’re not that far gone…

  • S_R: please stop using this site to preach. You have a limited knowledge of the Bible which is a dangerous thing. Finally, the Bible describes people praying to the dead – so you are completely wrong to tell people that God is angry at them for doing so:

    “And when he had opened the book, the four living creatures, and the four and twenty ancients fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints:” Revelations 5:8 (the angels are offering the prayers to God)

    “And another angel came, and stood before the altar, having a golden censer; and there was given to him much incense, that he should offer of the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar, which is before the throne of God. ” Rev 8:3-4

    S_R: this website is not your personal pulpit.

    Just two of many.

  • I want all Bible talk to end now. Please restrict the comments to comments about the items on the list specifically. I don’t want to close another list down due to abuse.

  • CRSN

    jfrater the legend that you are, thankyou, i wouldnt of gone as far as quoting from the Bible, but you have shown that he is contradicting his own belief through misinterpretation of passage of the Bible.

    thankyou from everyone.

  • Ozhan

    A toddler fell six floors before hitting the ground and he survived without any injuries! That baby is my relative’s… Now that’s a miracle.

    I was expecting things like this when clicking the list.

  • pandahays

    I am Catholic, but that isn’t the only reason I love this list. I find it just as enjoyable as any other list about movies, people, or other such things. It’s sad that the world we live in has adopted science as belief. When we die, will it matter whether things were ‘proven’? I like to think that I live my life by my own standards and choose to believe things out of faith, not because science or someone ‘smart’ told me to do so. These miracles must have changed many peoples’ lives and probably still are. Who knows, maybe someone reading this list will be inspired, not necessarily to become Christian or believe in God, but possibly just to appreciate life and all of the good things we have, and to appreciate life’s smaller miracles that we don’t think about (how about the human body for a start?) Awesome list, I am learning more and more from this site every day. And JFrater, you are great!!

  • pandahays

    Ozhan..no injuries? No bruises, scrapes, or broken bones? Then again, do things like that really compare to people who died hundreds of years ago whose bodies are in perfect condition? Miracle vs. luck…the things on this list are of such magnitude that they are known throughout the world, they are not just stories for a slow night in the newsroom at NBC.

  • CRSN: no need – he won’t be posting any more comments on this list.

  • CRSN

    shut the list dowm jfrater, obviously S_R cant take a hint, or a smack over the head.

  • CRSN

    wait up, how come i got the message in my inbox and its not up here, did you delete it jfrater?

  • CRSN: I did delete it, yes.

  • CRSN

    jfrater – thanks from everyone.

    now that jamie has done the house cleaning, can everyone keep to the subject at hand, i’m sure this dilema slowed down the progress of the site down a little.

    lets get back to business!

  • CRSN: you are welcome – I am certainly breathing a sigh of relief :)

  • Tear Down This Mall…. I mean Wall… wait… Oh that’s right, Everyone Just Get Along!

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Jfrater: I’ve tried a million times but I can’t log into the damn forumes. ):

  • WarningDontReadThis: what username did you register under? I can’t find you with your nickname from here. Once you tell me I will activate your account.

  • WarningDontReadThis

    Hm..
    I’m pretty sure I’ve registered under Warningdontreadthis.

  • max

    all miracles happens only in religion!!! and that too only in christianity??? how amazing…sure this itself is a miracle :-)

  • marvs

    a very nice list..and i also enjoyed the comments, the debates, additional facts stated by the readers.anyway, a great part of me agrees with excelsior’s argument (except for calling those who believe in God as retards and psychopaths)..yes religion heals the believer’s soul, establish “morals”, etc.Its a big part of humanity eversince,
    and wont be that easy (or never) to be removed from human beings.and yet, it also gave humanity pain, suffering and death from then till now..if these so called “miracle” be debunked by science will still called as a miracle? if ever stigmata was explained by science that its just a rare human body disorder happens, will our views with those saints with stigmata change? if the sun miracle will be proved to be a rare space phenomenon, will that discredit the fatima aparition? man seeks to continue for answers because of intelligence. If God exists, then He gave man that intelligence to look for the truth. He gave the man the intelligence to believe these miracles are true, and allow them to be awed and be inspired with God. And also, that intelligence may lead others to ask, to seek for answers, to investigate whether those miracles are real or not. what im trying to say is that there is no harm in believing God and His miracles.and also, i find no harm in disbelieving in Him and His miracles.whether these are real or not, im looking forward for man to know the answers, whether its a scientific explanation or the answer is God himself.

    i do personally believe in God in my own ways but a little bit of doubt is still within me.and,the miracles awe me.

  • t_man

    I myself do not believe in God (I'm NOT an atheist btw). but these are cool. good list

    • You are an idiot

      these are cool for you because you don’t believe in him.If you did,you would have been able to differentiate between crap and real.

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  • t_man

    S_R:

    Just listen to George Carlin, he explains everything. lol

  • Cedestra

    Wow, you actually did shut down the Gay Marriage list? I was wondering why it was “broke”- although it did give me pause to look at b8oven’s well written post.
    Anyways, enough of that. It’s behind us. Silly you have to make such judgements and calls, Jamie, but it is what it is. Thank you.

  • Rylan

    People still believe in gods? Now THAT’S astonishing!

  • CRSN

    t_man – S_R was banned yesterday.

    Rylan – People will beleive in anything that helps them get though the day, myself, i dont beleive in much of it but some people are bought up with particular beleifs and it better than being a crack whore who’s on beleif is that she’ll get 20% off her pimp, different people, different beleifs.

  • Cedestra

    I thought he was just banned from this list. Not that I’m complaining…

  • CRSN

    Cedestra – Oops, should have made that clearer, yeah, he only got banned from this particular list, but i dont think we’ll see him for a while.

  • harry

    There have been reports of incorruptible bodies of dead muslim freedom fighters.

    Some of these reports on Afghanistan war (when Russia tried to invade it) were made into a small book and I think it managed to got printed in English.

    I found it interesting that they’re quite similar to these Christian ones – nice smell, wound that keeps on bleeding after death, etc.

    It also existed in other religions. Here’s an example from Buddhism : http://gargles.net/the-incorruptibles/

    Very interesting list – thanks!

  • harry

    Wonder if you can classify this one as miracle as well : http://www.gillismagic.com/sisue.html

    Anyway – it’s a funny one :)

  • harry

    Here’s another miracle – a miracle that he hasn’t hit anyone !

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=390990&in_page_id=1770

    Bloody hell…

  • Mom424

    harry: note the chick’s hand position while willing herself to the ground. She is using leverage to cancel the force the fellas are using to try and lift her. Anyone can do it.

  • magus_dee

    Terrific, if one likes distinctly papist propoganda down through the years, aided now by the ultra-right-wing Opus Dei; saddled with dubious provenances, many if not most of these have been successfully debunked multiple times over the years. The so-called “Miracle of Lanciano” is perhaps the most egregious of these, based on several exposes in the last decade either explaining how it’s done, or articles written by actual viewers who–along with others present–failed to note it happening at all. Padre Pio? Fascist, and his stigmata claims are being re-assessed in spite of his “sainthood.” And Therese-bleedin’-Newman, forgive the pun? Psychological illness can result in bizarre phenomena. Marian apparition at Zeitoun? Look at the thing–clearly a projection of a traditional Roman Catholic image, this; indeed, it looks like it was snipped out of the pages of Catholic Digest in 1938. And this is not even to mention “weeping” statues, all the many-score thousands of them, or the “incorruptible bodies” of saints–the faces of some of which look crafted of wax by a sub-standard version of Madame Tussaud.

  • Crumpet

    they just needed to come down off of whatever high they were on.

  • Mariam67

    About no. 1…why would they photograph the witnesses and not the miracle??

  • skepticalpete

    Hey God! What a waste of god powers! You can make the sun dance around the sky, visible not to the entire world but only to a group showing up to see something “miraculous” happen, you can keep bodies from rotting away, you can cause friars to fly, you can bloody nuns in their bed, you can make stone figures weep and bleed, bread and water become flesh and blood (ewww…), you can make an iron-on of the Lady, and all sorts of other purported events. Hey god, how about this: End suffering. End hunger and starvation. End wars that kill and maim millions of innocents every year. Stop the tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, droughts, and other “acts of god” that deliver tens of thousands to you each year. And what the heck is with you offing people, via gunmen and buildings collapsing, when they are in church worshiping you? That’s irony! What’s the problem, won’t do it or can’t do it? If you won’t then you aren’t all-loving. If you can’t then you’re not all-powerful. Either way, it’s not happening. Maybe you just aren’t there. Never mind, just give us another questionable ghostly apparition over an old church and that will keep us believing for another hundred years or so. Don’t put yourself out on account of us. After all, it’s not like you’re god or anything.

  • eraserhead

    skepticalpete: It is all too easy to put God into a box and think that He is explainable. If you choose to accept that God may exist, think of Him as you would think of light. In the bible, where you find God you find light. What is light? Can you explain it? Is it a particle or is it a wave? Can you use any of your senses to perceive it? Can you actually see light or merely the objects that it illuminates? What is faster than the speed of light? There are limits to our knowledge. My point is that we cannot be the judges on why God may or may not have performed the miracles on this list. Perhaps He performed the “dancing sun” miracle for just one person of the 100,000 in the crowd. It is not up to us to determine WHY He performs a miracle. And it is not up to us to determine where He should be using his “god powers”. God gave us free will so we can choose to believe in Him or not. There’s a reason why God doesn’t use his “god powers” to show himself to the world, sending a booming voice across the earth saying, “here i am, now do you believe me!” I don’t know what that reason is except for the fact that there would no longer be such a thing as faith. There would be hard fact and that would challenge the free will that God has given us. And free will is why God didn’t stop Jim Adkisson from gunning down Church goers in Tennessee, or why the ice caps are melting. And if God did stop a car accident from happening, or did quell a tsumani, who would know…?

  • skepticalpete

    Eraserhead (have you seen the movie?),
    No, what’s easy is to give up trying to find an answer and say, “It’s a mystery.” Light is explainable and I do understand what it is. I do because some people in the past didn’t just throw up their hands and proclaim it unknowable, or look into a book with a collection of bronze age myths and say, “He said, ‘Let there be light’ and sure enough, here it is.” Light, or the visible part you are referring to, is just a small segment of the electromagnetic spectrum.

    Why is it not up to us to question god? The faculty of reason is what separates us from the other animals. Wouldn’t god want us to use it? And why is god above immoral acts? If killing is wrong then it’s wrong when god does it too (if you think that god doesn’t kill, read the old testament). Is morality separate from god? Are killing, slavery, child abuse, rape, theft sometimes okay? Only for god? Tough questions that I think that we should be asking.

    Also, god could quite as easily let him/her/it/self be known to everybody and still keep free will. Adam and Eve knew god, walked in the garden with him even, and it didn’t stop them. It didn’t stop Cain from bashing Able. It didn’t keep Moses or Thomas from doubting. What’s going to happen in heaven when people start sinning? What’s god going to do then, send everyone to hell? What’s to keep you from lusting in heaven? Or having bad thoughts?

    God could let him/her/itself be known and I would still have doubts about his/her/it’s essence. Okay, so there’s a god. Why do you allow horrible things to happen in the world? You can’t be all good, all powerful, or all knowing at the same time. The best you can do is two out of three.

    Maybe there’s no god. Maybe god doesn’t care. Maybe god can’t do anything about the suffering in the world. Maybe god doesn’t even know. It’s a mystery.

  • Denizen

    skepticalpete: Don’t blame God for other people’s actions because he gave free will to others and knew what he was doing when he made us. Bad things happen because people chose to do it and natural disasters happen because that is how the Earth was made. God never said to question him, that is how we find answers that is also why there is questions to be asked if there was never a mystery. The problem is we will never know how God thinks and what his plans are and we should enjoy life and its miracles because it makes us think and that is why there are skeptics as you put it in your name to question but you can’t get to far ahead because the answers are there, they are simple but complictated.

  • eraserhead

    skepticalpete: You are definitely right that we should always be questioning God. And I think its sad for us to stop looking for answers to why we exist and where we come from. It is my belief that the more I search the closer I come to know God.

    I ask that you go much deeper in your explanation of light: “Light, or the visible part you are referring to, is just a small segment of the electromagnetic spectrum.”

    This is a gross oversimplification of what light is. The electromagnetic spectrum is merely a guide to show how electromagnetic radiation propagates through space in WAVE FORM.

    Look into wave-particle duality, which is “rooted in a debate over the nature of light and matter”, and tell me if you can explain how something can be a wave but a particle at the same time.

    here’s a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave%E2%80%93particle_duality

    Upon reflection, and reading your comments, I agree with you that even if God made Himself known there would still be doubt. The reason I believe this is because He did make himself known, to the whole world, about 2000 years ago. The point I was trying to make before was that I do believe that God has the power to not only make himself known, but to MAKE us believe in Him and love Him unconditionally. But God did not create us selfishly to love Him. He created us selflessly and He loves us and if we choose, we can love Him back.

    You do ask some tough questions and I’ll admit that I do not have the answers for them all. I don’t know why God kills entire cities in the Old Testament. But I don’t think of God as a human being up in the sky passing judgment upon the earth. He is MUCH bigger of a concept. So big in fact that the only way for Him to show Himself to us is by inhabiting a human body. Or in the form of a burning bush for Moses (Exodus 3). In fact when Moses realized that the burning bush was actually God, he “hid his face, because he was afraid to look at God.” He was still just looking at a burning bush, but the CONCEPT of God was terrifying.

    One final note on Heaven. I’m not going to assume I know what Heaven looks like or what it’ll be like. But here is what I do know from scripture. We will be given new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:52). Bodies that are like Christ’s after His resurrection. And there will NOT be sin in heaven according to the bible. Revelation 21-22 explains how Heaven will be without pain, suffering, and death and how the sinners will be in the lake of fire.

    It is no easy task trying to figure out God, in fact I think its impossible. The best I can do is keep searching and letting Him guide me. Push the envelope, watch it bend…

    also – yes I’ve seen the movie, its one of my favorites!

  • skepticalpete

    Denizen,
    I not blaming god for other’s actions, but for his inaction. If you could keep a child from suffering with no effort to yourself at all wouldn’t you do so? Would you stop someone from killing another if you knew that you could not get harmed in the process? If you could cure cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, AIDS, with a snap of your fingers wouldn’t you? If you could feed the world with a blink of an eye, would you? Do you get my point? Either god can’t do it, doesn’t want to, doesn’t know about it, or doesn’t exist. You choose.

    eraserhead,
    I know about the wave-particle duality, but I thought that the subject of the blog was such that to introduce Young, Planck, Einstein, Maxwell, et al, as well as the current research into light would be to needlessly obfuscate the dialog. I meant to oversimplify for this very reason. It is worth reading up on as I think people will find it fascinating (at least I do).
    Your answer just causes me to question even more. Why can’t god give us an understanding of him as he is? He’s god isn’t he? He made us didn’t he? Can’t he change the plan any time he wants? Why not skip the entire live, suffer, die, get rewarded or punished thing and go right to whatever heaven is? “Heaven will be without pain, suffering, and death…” If god can do this in the future then why not start out this way? How are we supposed to handle god in heaven if we can’t now? Will god change us so much that we no longer are what we were? Where the heck is heaven anyway? New bodies? Really?
    What you’re describing is the Judeo-Christian concept of god which I reject. It’s just too silly a proposition once you step back and look at it.

  • skepticalpete

    Whoa! My apologies to all. I found this list and enjoyed it and wrote a comment before reading all that has gone on before. There are some great comments on here and some really bad ones. I’m feeling pretty sheepish now, thinking that I’m going to be lumped with S.R. on one side and Exelcior on the other. I hope not. I’m not trying to tread on toes or make anyone give up their faith, but just want to ask questions.

    Obviously I’m skeptical; that’s why they call me skepticalpete!

  • eraserhead

    skepticalpete: As a practicing Christian I delight in engaging in conversation with people like yourself. You offer different ways of looking at things in a way that respects my beliefs. I may not agree with what you say but I cannot deny that I don’t think about it. I understand why you ask about God’s apparent apathy for human life. I ask about it too, all the time, but my faith to Him remains. I feel like, at this point, whatever apologetic rhetoric I spout will just be a reiteration of things I’ve said before. “We’re just two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl, year after year. Running over the same old ground. What have you found? The same old fears. Wish you were here.”

  • Denizen

    skepticalpete: Like what eraserhead said, “i cannot deny that I don’t think about it,” I too think about these things but I have very interesting information about what people report from outer-body experiences. People who experience these report feeling unexpected happiness, bliss, and comfort that many of them do not feel concern for being dead, although this is rare because others who have died and are fated not to go to heaven have experienced it differently or experience the signs for the common explanation for ghosts where people who feel they have unfinished business stay.

    My point is that after researching this, watching documentaries, and hearing stories from family, I concluded that God is allowing our free will to influence our lives. Our mind plays a large role in health and capability to do other things that is why it is recommended to always be positive towards others and ourselves because it is rare for many to remember positive attitudes over mistreatment these days and we forget how much we experienced it when we are down.

    Also in the story of Noah, God promised (with the rainbow) that he wouldn’t interfere with life as “directly” as he did then. With this, it is almost notable how the Virgin Mary instead has done miracles to people on earth just to show that she is there than do services for us because just by showing their presence it brings hope, faith, and love – but that was people’s reaction/actions – not God. We do it ourselves because we owe it to ourselves to do good things because ever since Adam and Eve fell from grace it is our responsibility and obligatory ability to live on an imperfect world that we will die on just as we were born. To summarize it, the miracles at most were just signs that a divine presence was there and people acted on it because their presence inspires good things to happen.

    So yes God does want to stop our daily plights because he infinitely can with his uncomprehensinable logic that no one is meant to understand but instead has others do his bidding and inspiring good to allow that potential to grow in us because it isn’t God’s apathy at work, it is our own. The Christian faith if anything will teach morals as a core basic tone so that in time we too can give.

    I hope that you see that I wanted to share you my point of view in best interests with sharing knowledge and insight but I feel that I can say soooo much more because I collected all of this information just because I love this topic as I do my religion but also because I feel obligated by this website.
    I believe all of these references tie in with each other in a very simple yet complicated way that our world is reflected upon. Please give me some feedback so maybe I can remember other things I shoud have mentioned before.

  • harry

    skepticalpete – If you could keep a child from suffering with no effort to yourself at all wouldn’t you do so? Would you stop someone from killing another if you knew that you could not get harmed in the process? If you could cure cancer, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, AIDS, with a snap of your fingers wouldn’t you? If you could feed the world with a blink of an eye, would you?.
    .
    Do you get my point? Either god can’t do it, doesn’t want to, doesn’t know about it, or doesn’t exist. You choose.

    .
    You have just described heaven :)
    But, as you may have observed, we’re currently living on Earth.
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    I’ll be speaking now as one who believes in God, so please consider my following comment with that in mind.
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    I’m a fan of Conan the Cimmerian comics. What fascinates me is his principle of struggle & honour. He will do his best or perish in the process. If you have the time, try get / read a copy. It always amazes me how a barbarian is living much more honourably than many of the elites. It teaches me to respect those who are honest and hardworkers, even though they might be poor.
    .
    The God that I belief in honours our struggle very much. He gave us the quest of becoming a better self. The quest last a lifetime.
    .
    A real-life example — If you’re a successful businessman, you’ll already know how much crap you have to endure to arrive at the top. It’s enough to make most went crazy. Your partner(s) betrayed you, lack of payment from your customers, the gov’t taking much of your money, crazy cashflow problems, employees moaning and demanding much but giving little, problems marketing your products / informing people that your products exist AND it’s good, regulations designed to increase the barrier of entry, competitors taking away your market, problem with the supply chains — all while the welfare of your family rests on it.
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    As I said, the tests are enough to make most to become crazy.
    .
    But if you can overcome all of it (note that it’s just a SMALL sample of the potential problems you’ll encounter as a businessman), you WILL arrive at the top, and will be able to enjoy the handsome reward.
    .
    It works like that with God. He throws a truckload of crap at you, that’s called life. Endure and overcome it, and you’ll become a better person. I always, always keep in mind – “what doesn’t kill you, makes you stronger“. I’m still sane to this day despite all the problems because of this. I welcome challenge, and looking forward to the better me at the end of it.
    .
    Another thing that keeps a believer going is knowing that God is Justice. if your life sucks, but you endure it anyway, and try to make the best of it — Heaven is your reward.
    .
    I have 2 brothers who died while still in infancy. That truly, really broke our hearts. Especially my mother, she kept blaming herself (even though it wasn’t her fault).
    We comfort her, reminded her that God is Justice, and her babies are waiting for her in Heaven already. She managed to avoid falling into the pit of despair, and has resolved to excel in life so she’ll be able to meet her dearly beloved babies again later in afterlife.
    It gives her the strength to go on with her life and make the best of it.
    .
    My grandmother lived through 3 wars. My grandfather, a simple trader, was abducted 2 times by the combatants with grave accusations and have good reasons to assume that he will not see the next sunrise. They have 7 children. It broke her heart everytime her lover was picked up by the army, knowing that there is great possibility that she will be a widow soon, and their children orphaned.
    Their beliefs in God sustained them, and avoid them from surrendering to fate. They made best of their free will, and tried their best.
    .
    My grandfather survived through all of it.
    He even experienced being a romusha – and lived to tell the tale. This was in Indonesia, where the death rate was 80%.
    .
    They ended up later becoming one of the richest family in their town, even though they lost almost everything in the wars. And raised their children to become good adults.
    .
    Correct understanding of religion will enhance lives. It helps to make one a better, stronger person.
    This is the true meaning of religion.
    .
    Nowadays though, many scholars / priest / leaders are the worst among us. And they’re supposed to lead us to enlightenment. Many fell to their schemes.
    .
    To this day I try to rely on common sense & critical thinking, and I’ve been able to avoid many of their trickery. Unfortunately, as you may have already observed, common sense is not that common. And not everyone is able to think critically.
    .
    I have no hard proof of the existence of God. It’s my gut feeling, from my life’s experience. An intuition. But what really matters is that based on that belief, I’ve made it my lifelong quest to become a better person. Anyone should be able do that, even if you don’t belief in God (although I think it’ll help make it easier).
    .
    And if everyone do so, I’m sure Earth will become a much better place to live on, for all of us.

  • harry: “I have no hard proof of the existence of God.” Try reading the Summa Theologica of St Thomas Aquinas – he uses reason and logic (classical logic) to prove it.

  • harry

    Thanks for the recommendation. I’ll see if I can find a copy. It may not be easy to find here though.
    .
    A bit of clarification, by “hard proof” I mean something like scientific proof. Something that our 5 senses can feel, or our equipments can detect. I’m not aware of such thing yet.
    The closest so far are the miracles, which some are presented here.
    .
    But personally I think life itself is a miracle. Thus enough proof, at least for myself.

  • harry: logic can prove things without our need to touch them – based on some simple things we all know (objective truths): for example:

    1. fire causes pain (in normal humans)
    2. Putting a normal human hand in fire will result in pain

    We don’t need to stick our hands in – we know that if criteria 1 is met, criteria 2 is true. This is the approach that St Thomas takes (and no one has yet been able to disprove his arguments).

    You can buy the Summa at amazon here

  • harry

    Well what do you know – Summa Theologica. In its entirety.
    .
    Thank God for Internet :)
    .
    Also there’s a nice introduction and summary of it on the Wikipedia.
    .
    Thanks jfrater. Finally, something nice to read for the night.

  • haha Harry – you beat me to it – I completely forgot that the whole thing was online! This is the bit you want dealing with the proof of God’s existence: article 3.

    Incidentally – you don’t need to put the . when you hit enter – the site will compensate for it and display your comment correctly :)

  • harry

    jfrater – Hey, missed your post by a minute. Thanks for the Amazon link.
    .
    For all, I can recommend this page from Summa Theologica.
    Awesome reasoning.
    .
    One example; I thought Aquinas will fell on the “a posteriori”: concluding the presence of God from the effect of His actions. But, Aquinas gave a particularly apt & excellent example for it, which I don’t think can be refuted.
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    I may not agree on the other pages due to some reasons (invalid assumptions, etc), but this page truly excels.
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    Still loads more to read. Such joy !

  • harry

    jfrater – damn, you’re reading my mind. I was recommending the same page on my previous comment :)

    About the dots, it’s my habit from some blogs – some of them have strange CSS, where it causes different paragraphs to be stuck together, heh. The dots help ensure my comments to be readable in those cases.

    Alright, back to Summa Theologica now *switches browser tab*

  • skepticalpete

    First, Denizen @262
    Out of body, near death experiences prove nothing. I cannot argue with someone’s personal experiences when they are unconscious or asleep, but neither can this experience be proof for anything other than something happened to them, and only to them. My dreams are only that; dreams. If I hallucinate and see angels dancing before me does that make it so? Only to me.

    I’m always skeptical of anecdotal evidence – “My uncle Harry was on the operating table and his heart stopped, and he saw himself floating…” of the supernatural.

    A rainbow is an easily understood effect of light refracting with the water droplets in the air. Did this not happen before the flood? Did god change the physics of light and how it passes through rain? And I have to wonder what this rainbow meant to the folks of New Orleans after the hurricane washed their homes and friends away. I’d be saying, “Keep your friggin’ rainbow and stop killing us!”

    I agree wholeheartedly that humans should care for each other. That sums up my personal philosophy perfectly. Humanity, and to a lesser degree the rest of the world, is sacred to me. We should protect each other, feed the hungry, clothe the naked (unless they’re, like, really hot ;)), end sickness and disease. But I don’t see Christianity as being the answer to any of these. I’ve seen the faith of some individuals to be admirable and positive, effecting change for the good. But I also see mega-churches with Starbucks and food courts inside them, enormous jumbo-trons that people can see their pastor on from blocks away, a Pope who tells people not to use condoms even though it can save lives and make prevent unwanted pregnancies, to follow the rule of right-wing tyrants and to even look the other way when priest, nuns, and even an archbishop are murdered, some churches hindering the advancement of scientific understanding even though stem-cells could be the answer to many horrible diseases. I’m not impressed with the track record of Christianity. Certainly much good has been done in the name of Christ. Many people changed their lives for the better because of their faith, and I applaud this and admire them. I just think they could have done it without the faith.

    Next, Harry #263
    “You have just described heaven :)
    But, as you may have observed, we’re currently living on Earth.”

    I’m not sure what you mean.

    Conan rocks, but why does god have to throw a “truckload” of crap at us? He doesn’t, as I’ve posted before. Doesn’t god, being all knowing, already know what your limits are? Doesn’t god already know how much faith you have? It’s like if god wanted to test me to find out how tall I am, even though I’ve told him a hundred times. “Hey god, I’m six feet tall already!” So he puts me through a car wreck and then asks, “Okay then, how tall are you now?” Still six feet tall. So the next day I get fired from my job and my wife has an affair, and god asks, “So how tall are you now?”
    He knows already, so stop the godsmack and just cut to the chase.
    Harry, I’m sure that your family found strength in their faith. I believe that because I’ve seen it happen many times. It’s just that I think you can do it without the complicated theology that attends Christianity, Judaism, Islam, et al.

    I loved the common sense link. Very funny stuff.

    Then, jfrater #264
    Aquinas’s five proofs have not held up well. I first learned of them in my first year of college at Duns Scotus Seminary, a Franciscan seminary in Southfield, Michigan. I also dearly held on to them as logical “proofs” of god’s existence, but soon found out that they have not held up well over the centuries. There are many problems logically with each of the arguments and have generally fallen out of favor with philosophers. Even the friars that I studied under said that they were no longer good proofs.
    There is no proof, just faith based on personal revelation. I could never argue against that, for the same reason that I gave to Denizen at the beginning of this exhaustive post. For grins, read this link to see some of the arguments against “the five.” http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/aquinas.html

  • Denizen

    scepticalpete – OBE (outer-body experiences) aren’t exactly what i am referring too. Those could happen at any given time to certain people. In Raymond Moody’s Life after Life http://www.amazon.com/Life-After-Investigation-Phenomenon-Survival-Bodily/dp/0062517392 , Moody’s research which brought “life after death” to the face of the scientifical community, made it a controversial argument because all of the cases in his book which are medically documented the person who had temporarily died were brought back by medical personnel. I am sorry you misunderstood how I was using this term or topic but I hope it is now clarified. As for refferencing the rainbow, God made his promise THEN he used the rainbow to express it. Therefore the logic in that is his promise is symbolyzed by the rainbow but the way you mistook my comment there showed me that you are twisting what everyone is saying just to further your argument. I am now skeptical that you are just being simply skeptical and are actually biased to see how far this is going.

    But as you said, faith (which is special to the owner) is based on personal revelationn which is true because if it were common to everyone then logically it wouldn’t be special because then faith wouldn’t be a personal thing – logic-in-use (something that belongs to everyone is usually deemed not special but then faith wouldn’t be personal because it is commonly found in people who believe in it, therefore this contradiction proves that faith could not work in human logic but because its nature is a contradiction similar to a being created from nothing, it proves its impossible existence because of it being an idea in a world where ideas can become true if used or created from willpower which stems from another willpower). So if stated properly, faith exists because people believe in it and it can be used properly,personally, and publically because it is an idea that exists in the mind. If you think I am trying to use your statement against you, I am using it to show how this is used in both ways which leads down to my further point

    But first, You generalized christianity at some point using it as the example for something you saw when earlier you said you are skeptical against anecdotal evidence which in actuality, an anecdote would be a humorous story and you said that it would be funny if your uncle harry would be operated on – that is a patient in a surgical procedure. The point I am trying to make here is that you are arguing but along the way you contradict yourself and seem to be missing information on what, where, or why (take your pick on how these are used, you are the skeptic).
    (Yes i know you used “your uncle harry” as an example but in case you were being truthful, i used it to sound I believed you.)

    Finally I sensed your sarcasm where originally my doubt told me that maybe you are to some degree cynical to others when actually your skeptical(bias)nature surfaced.

    To quote you where I finally stopped giving you the benefit of the doubt is, “I’m not impressed with the track record of Christianity. Certainly much good has been done in the name of Christ.” You should really keep track of your tone within your comment because it did sound that you understand the religious side to it but it can’t hold up much longer because really your entire text shows your contempt for religion even though you said you have seen it being used for good and but just before that you claimed that seeing it would not only be funny but also untrustworthy.

    In summarization and to clarify my point through all of this, your argument is more of a self-promoted false-authoritative bashing of your bias or your distrust for religion and how it is (questionable as your perspective) wrong/sometimes ok. Because you fail to show your perspective and accurate knowledge of it where you pretend to know certain things, it is very hard to understand where you make your point but until you clarify, justify your tone, and not contradict yourself when showing your make-shift argument, I can’t take my focus off of my new opinion of your argument and your integrity. Think of those as an alternative way to shift your argument and prevent more of this confusion if that is what it actually is and my criticism be wrong but PLEASE admit that some of these accuasations be true because that would be an injustice to (if you do not believe in any sort of integral-divine-conspirical force) every other commenter who may have possibly misunderstood you.

    Note that I am aware of what you may say because I have tried to put myself in your place and I have at least considered some of your points (if there was one).

    If you believe I was nit-picking or using ad-hominem, or was being plain rude to you, then understand I truly did not wish to but I was trying to stay away from it because I wanted to make my point clear and persuasive and you were rude to use any of your examples in each context while sounding you had any authority on any of those topics while guising your tone with the notion that you are aware you aren’t.

    If you reply with, “I don’t have to justify myself to you,” then you have truly shown you took the time to bash religion and make yourself a fool – a semi-fool that is – since you needed more knowledge to justify your claims or argument and you need further understanding of absolutes in the english language. I don’t make the rules but you could show some honor in being a skeptic or going by that name, because thank God for the internet that everyone can show that even as an anonmyous person (to a certain degree) you can show what you are capable of and learn similarly with others in the same context and virtual place.

  • CRSN

    271. skepticalpete,272. Denizen – Guys, register in the forum if you want to write long and exorbitant love letters to each other, this section is for people shooting the breeze, not each other.

    C’mon peoples, keep it nice and simple and too the point:)

  • CRSN

    Fucking smilies :evil:

  • Denizen

    CRSN- you aren’t the proper authority to tell whomever where is the proper to place to do things on this website but I do respect you tried to take the matter into your own hand.

    Also this discussion has gone on between many different people and there have been similar instances on just about every different list.

  • CRSN

    Denizen – i didnt say i was an authority, i just dont like seeing that shit that takes up the comments section, if you want to talk/argue about something indepth, i suggest you register in the forums.

    i really dont give a rats ass where/what you write, but all the other posters didnt write novels.

    it has happened on other lists before, i know because i’ve been involved in a couple of those discussions, what is trying to be achieved is an understanding of different peoples points of view, if someone doesnt see eye to eye with you and you have to go to the extent of basically pushing your ideas on them, who seems to be the dick there?

    check out the forum, you might actually find it entertaining.

  • Egg

    I love this list! I love it even more that I can’t debunk these things, since there’s evidently … well, evidence. People assume religious “miracles” are proven gaffs, but in reality no one has proven thus, rather they become uncomfortable at the prospect of them being authentic. They then back away and let them accumulate dust until places like this bring them back into the public eye ;)

  • sufehmi

    @skepticalpete – I’m not sure what you mean.

    Okay, let’s call it with a name that you might be more familiar with : Utopia :)

    I’m sure you’ll also agree that it’s not gonna happen in our lifetime.

    but why does god have to throw a “truckload” of crap at us?

    He already have perfect beings created, some of us called it angels.

    Looks like it’s no fun though, with everything pretty much going the same. Then He created us, the imperfect ones.

    I really suggest you have some fun with the Conan comics. Or, try parenting. It will give you this similar perspective.
    Example: sometimes you have to let your kids go through sufferage, in order to let them become better. aka – not handholding them all the time.

    It’s just that I think you can do it without the complicated theology

    Very interesting.

    Actually the basics are pretty simple, since it’s designed to be usable even by (pardon my french) idiots. Somehow along the way, it got complicated.

    Anyway, some needs it, some (thinks) they don’t. I don’t know what it really is to be honest.

    But I know this – as a businessman, I like to minimize my risks.
    Since practicing a religion doesn’t cost me, actually helps me become a better man, ***and*** insures me in case of things like heaven & God do actually exist; so I figure – hey, why not ?

    Nothing to lose there, everything to gain. I call it a great deal.

    That’s the basics of it really.

    Along the way, I found even more good & interesting things about it. But it’s something that each of us that needs to experience by ourselves.

  • Denizen

    CRSN – well isn’t this an interesting turn to coincidence, you don’t like when people write “novels” on lists but you thought I didn’t like skepticalpete’s point of view.

    To confirm my point of view:
    It isn’t that I didn’t like skepticalpete’s point of view, you obviously didn’t read my post correctly. I wasn’t, “going to the extent of basically pushing your ideas on them.” You have falsely accused me because you didn’t read what I was saying thoroughly. What I was doing in my post was trying to find out what skepticalpete is trying to get at, is it him being bias and causing pointless arguments or is he forgetting to show what he actually believes in? I have evidence showing either way but I what I was getting at is he is not specifying either one.

    So don’t make the calls on what people should do on this website and if I want to move a possibly pointless argument to the forum’s I won’t because its pointless (the reason why – below). So to further justify the situation don’t bother telling people their position or suggest what they should do because you went ahead of yourself and called me a dick when you misunderstood me.

    (If you haven’t read up to this point, then you aren’t keeping up with the cons of an internet conversation, reading and maybe rereading to get what the commenter/poster/person is saying.)

    This is between skepticalpete and I and the comments here are easier to respond to this list than the forums because it contradicts the readily available commenting system unless there was a direct use of a forum automatically built but that would make the comments lose their importance because a person’s mindset is to post a comment and respond.

    So far your argument is that I am,”go to the extent of basically pushing your ideas on them,” and, “not seeing eye to eye.” but you mistook what I am doing and I have already, this time, plainly stated what had occurred in my post to skepticalpete. Then if the forums are as great as you hint, which I do not doubt all the hype(its listverse – it has to be good – reason why:below) why should I move a pointless and tiring argument, to involve more people when this doesn’t seem to go anywhere and if you read more of the responses to him, they don’t get that many responses that sound like the people were having a good time and so on. I haven’t been there but I have just expressed care for it because forums shouldn’t be in a place that attracts hurtful comments which I am trying to prevent or allow a commenter to specify himself.

    So at least I continue to check up on his latest comments so maybe others won’t take them as if he was bashing (which even that isn’t specified if you read in carefully) or confused. (maybe he is both, can’t wait to find out!)

    Last, for better or worse you got involved in this. Remember how you said that the commenters here are very diverse? Thank God they are mainly intellectuals! It is you who hasn’t learnt to respect who you are talking to because if you care that much about this commenting system, forums, and website, which I assume (giving you a similar benefit of the doubt that I gave skepticalpete), then keep doing what you do because you have obviously shown that trying to defend it but you made the mistake of picking on the wrong person. This is the result of circumstance where you misjudged me and used a profane word which I didn’t appreciate. Also I took my time to appreciate another person’s (your) writing and respond directly, address the proper issue, and form my point/response.

    Don’t bother reading the next paragraph, its common internet-user knowledge:
    There is the goods and bad things that makes the internet – the internet. The internet is generalized by being mainly overrun by miscreants and there are few places like this where intellectuals can reason above the level of bashing and talk accordingly.

    Bottom line(generalized response): You have accused me of things that you are doing. If you don’t like “novels”, don’t bother reading them. But if you don’t like “my novels” then you don’t realize that I cared “that much” to appreciate your post and thank you for responding to me.

  • rushfan

    I consider Matthew McConaughey’s career a miracle.

  • cuthbert

    one point appears missing to me.

    The Catholic Church teaches that miracles such as these should never be the basis for belief. However, these occurrences do insipre devotion – which is good.

    So belief isn’t based on other peoples visions, rather reason and experience.

  • Allayne

    I just spent ages reading this great list and basically all of these comments, and I just wanted to thank you guys.
    I think it is really important to have open discussion about stuff like this and as a young believer I felt like I have got alot from it; from both sides.
    I think it is important to note (and repeat…) that all miracles are from God and are for the glory of God alone.

  • Felicity

    Perhaps most of these are Catholic, because it is such a dominant religion and when people see something they can’t explain they use whatever explanation comes naturally to them. For some, it’s Christianity, for some it’s science etc. etc. However, I would say that jumping to the conclusion that the miaracles are scientific without evidence is just as rash as saying the miracles can be tied to the Virgin Mary.

  • Joseph Peter

    To all the Christians who are on ‘listverse.com’, Grace and peace be yours in abundance. You all need to know that the Catholic Christians at Fatima (#1), with the 30,000 people, doubted the two girls and the boy; the young children that the Blessed Virgin Mary appeared to were severely persecuted and punished unjustly for testifying to what they had saw. They did not think that it was possible. You all need to pray that your eyes be open lest you see and your ears open lest you hear. If you want to see God and a miracle, you will see Him Who Is, if you ask him to see. He showed St. Thomas: may he show you.

  • Anjie

    Hey what about the milk miracle in 1995? I went to temple and saw it myself, and it was well documented in the press.

  • Corey

    I’m an atheist, but I wouldn’t claim any of the people witnessing these “miracles” to be idiots. I have to say it is likely that some of them are made up – any rational theist can agree that it is very likely. Others may have scientific causes that we aren’t aware of yet (#1, for sure). Are some of them truly miracles? Maybe. None of us can say for sure because we weren’t there.

    I do like that this list contains only truly amazing things. I hate when someone says, “Miracles are real, I’ve seen one! One time, there was this bad storm and a tree started falling in the direction of our house but then it fell the other way!” *eye roll*

    I don’t know much about incorruptible corpses, but I will say this: it is NOT miraculous for a body to be flexible. Rigor mortis only lasts 2-3 days. We ALL become flexible again. Embalming makes bodies stiff.

  • Corey, you’re right, some of these events will have a scientific explanation, others will be just plain hoaxes, a few…a very, very few…will not have an easy explanation.
    That’s not to say they have a “miraculous” explanation, just something outside the norm.
    I have experienced, on several occasions, experiences some would label “miracles”. I don’t. I know there are good, solid, scientific explanations but whatever those explanations are just haven’t presented themselves yet.
    Incorruptible corpses have nothing to do with rigor mortis. Incorruptible, in this instance, refers to the fact that the body of certain persons do not decay. They have not been embalmed. The body remains fresh, sweet-smelling (in fact, it is said that they carry the scent of roses), and pliable. This is not for days, or weeks, or months, but for years and centuries.
    That is the short course on incorruptible corpses.

  • appie

    great list jfrater…
    it’s so sad..
    some of us believe in aliens but they don’t believe on miracles,.
    everyday is a miracle.
    waking up in the morning while others had no chance to see the world at all.
    you got a chance to watch a movie, to eat at an elegant restaurant, and to view listverse while others die while just sitting up there..
    for me everyday life is a miracle…(*_*)…

  • Ryan

    Incredible list! Pls. add more.

    Believe them or not, Miracles have a reason, they never stop ocurring and there is no stopping these Divine signs!

    Believers or Atheists, comment as you may! Our mind is too finite to comprehend the works of our Creator.

    God Love & Bless us all!

  • raoul

    whatever some people may say; i am speechless … wow wow wow. Give credit to what it is due

  • RS

    JF I don’t know if you’re reading this but I think someone copied this post exactly and put it on another website.

    Here’s the link:

    http://bored-night.com/index.php/Amazing/Top-10-Astonishing-Miracles.html

  • RS: I am always watching :) Thanks for letting me know. They have included a link back to our site and because this list is under the GFDL it is okay for them to duplicate as long as they do that.

  • thunderhawk

    I think it curious that atheist try to “explain” away miracles by using science. A true believer not only believes that the miracles are explainable, but requires them to be so. Science and religion are not only compatable, they are both of God. Many people believe in Jesus because of the miracles He performed. True believers believe in the miracles because they know Jesus. Remember, even Satan asked for a miracle in the desert. Cast thyself down, for it is written, the angels will come to thy aid lest He stump His foot upon a stone. You want a miracle, ok here’s some. Create life–in any form, from just some elements. But science can explain it….of course it can…God made the sciences..all of them. What is light? no one knows, yet because we see it’s effects, we think we know what it is. Any top scientist will tell you they really do not know what it is. The photon of light can be and not be at the same time. Sounds like a miracle…it is…it’s science…made by God.

  • thunderhawk

    Einstein said it best. Either everything in the universe is a miracle, or nothing is.

  • Matt Howard

    @ Thunderhawk

    As an atheist, I don’t try and ‘explain away’ miracles, and thereby diminish their importance; I simply believe that there are more natural ways of explaining them. Why believe in some kind of supernatural entity when nature itself is more ‘miraculous’.

    As for us not understanding what ‘light’ is, that’s just wrong. We have a very good understanding of electro-magnetic radiation. Visible light is just packets of photons; massless particles that act like waves.

    Attributing the wonders of nature to God, in my opinion, makes them less awe-inspiring.

  • lol. Can I use that picture for my site? :D

  • Honestly speaking your blog is really the most attractive one that i’ve read still now. Top 10 miracles embrace 10 stories to know. Really astonishing! Mind blowing collection!

  • It is interesting to read someone write about miracles. It gives me this feeling of being an outsider. All these glory events happening or happened out there with out my participation or observation. I actually don’t know how I feel. Thanks for the blog

  • salepo

    I know I’m a little late to this party but I just wanted to say I’ve known many respectful atheists.Intelligent people can agree to disagree civilly with a little effort on both parts.Christians can be rabidly forceful and rude the same as atheists or they can state their point of view and live their beliefs(whichever side they’re on) w/o being disrespectful.How do I know this-one of my best friends was an atheist-I didn’t believe a lot of what he believed firmly but our friendship was more important than this disagreement.Amazingly I learned a few things and so did he.

  • dianne

    why is it that the top miracles posted here are about the human saints? Why not post the miracles that Jesus did? HE is the Only One who can do a true miracle.

  • LIL

    Although all of these events discussed here are revealing of a higher source, the important issues are spiritual growth and that does not involve a belief in a particular religion. However, we need to be patient with our friends and family as they go along their own path of enlightenment, and that may go through many stages whether we agree with where they are coming from at the time, we need to continue to be loving and understanding.

  • Icalasari

    Well, obviously, Mary failed in her attempt (#1) XD

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  • City Streets Board

    Illusionists create miracles all the time and in view of hundreds of people. So, why can’t these miracles be Illusions as well?
    http://citystreetsboard.com/forums/

  • Great list! Love it. Please add some more if you can!

  • GTT

    Well, this list I hadnt read before… An oldie, but I have to say a goodie! I think most regulars know I´m Catholic so I particularly enjoy these types of lists. That picture of Therese Neumann really freaked me out… Poor woman… But incorruptable corpses are my favorites. 129 years later and you still smell like roses… Amazing.

    • You people are Idiot

      Do u think her finger nail polish existed 129 years ago?what about the youtube video on number 5?This is a collection of crap to weaken the faith of the viewers.

  • DPH

    I am a Christian who has never personally experienced a miracle. However, as several have stated, we Theists take leaps of faith. Last year, I woke up with a pain that I knew to be a kidney stone (I’ve had one, before… who can forget THAT pain?). I underwent a lithotripsy to smash the stone to sand-sized particles for easy passage. However, the lithotripsy caused some internal bleeding. This dried blood drained into the ureters, just as a kidney stone would, causing the same ureter spasms that a stone would. Just as painful. After TWO WEEKS of this terrible pain, I finally threw a prayer up to the Heavens; specifically this one: “Lord, they call you the Great Physician. Nobody knows our bodies like you. You know what is causing this pain and you know how to cure it. Please remove this pain from me, now and forever!” Immediately, the pain went from a 10 on the pain meter to completely gone. And it never came back.

    To me… that was a miracle large enough to prove that even prayers offered in frustration are heard. Nothing so big as a statue bleeding, or crying… but big enough to leave me in awe still, one year later.

  • Rei

    You know, “to believe is to see” may be more appropriate than “to see is to believe”. That’s why miracles happen, because people belive they can happen. that’s why Jesus performed miracles, not to make people believe in Him, but because people did believe Him (it’s in the Bible).

    As the song says “There Can Be Miracles, If You Believe.” ^-^

  • Super Bowl Saints

    I was searching for miracle about the New Orleans Saints when I found this site. I believe a miracle happenned when the Saints defeated the Washington Redskins in overtime. Saints came in with an 11-0 record and the Skins only had 3 wins, but Washington played like demons. The part that is a miracle was that to even the tv commentors the game was over with 1:29 left to play and the Saints down by 7 points.
    But they did pull it off and my theory is that theor are more fans who actually believed that the team could win in this seemingly imppossible situation. Fans of previous years would have said “Same old Saints”.
    I think the Laws of Attraction are at work here-You get what you focus on.
    It seems crazy I know. I detail my theory in depth at my site http://www.superbowlsaints.net
    Come by and let me know what you think

  • asymmetricblog

    I’d like to add Therese Neumann

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therese_Neumann

  • SKEPTIC SUPREME

    Hume said it best: the laws of nature are so regular that it is FAR more improbable that a miracle occurred than not. This alone is a HEAVY consideration against ANY miracle.

    It is FAR more likely that one or more of the following occurred:
    1. you’re being scammed
    2. that witnesses’ experienced optical illusion
    3. that testimony was corrupted
    4. that witnesses saw what they wanted to see

    And you can’t appeal to faith: it doesn’t decide anything. Christians have faith that THEY are right and that others are wrong, the Jews have faith that the Christians are wrong, the Muslims have faith that the other two are wrong, etc. (And don’t say that these religions are the same. Islam holds that the Bible is corrupted, and Jews reject Christ as being THE messiah).

  • nicoleredz3

    Therese Neumann, freaked me out! Do enjoy stigmata stories, though. Informative article.

  • nicoleredz3

    @(310) asymmetricblog, Therese Neumann IS number 8… :-/

  • aeireck

    Wow….I haven’t knew that stigmata is really true. I thought it was just a movie. Scientists have explanation for every miracle happened to us. While Roman Catholic church has their own explanation after a long investigation, if it is made by God or evil. I’ve seen a lot miracles happened here in our country. About Mary and Jesus images in rose petals, trees, walls and other stuffs like that. But God doesn’t need more of that. I believe that miracle is within us. I have experienced it so many times. And I believe it is a miracle. That’s how I believe in God.

  • Mr. Durden

    Arguing with religious people is pointless Skepticalpete. Someone who believes something on faith alone and is willing to what other people tell them as unalienable truth isn’t going to respond to your attempts at logic. I think this list has many interesting points, but I think many of them could have scientific explanations (I’d very much like to have someone do an autopsy on one of those non-decaying corpses) such as mass hysteria or a hoax. Christianity as a whole has to many discrepancies for me to have ever put faith in it, though my father didn’t have faith so why would he try to indoctrinate me? But one of the most interesting lists on this site is 10 Christ Like Figures who Pre-Date Christ. That list amuses me, as well as the fact that most of the people who wrote about Jesus did so 40 years later and likely had never met him. Which is why the Bible is not a reliable historical document. Its kind of like the Iliad or the Odyssey. Good stories, but filled with myth that had been passed to people via word of mouth until someone decided to write it all down. Also, Roman census documents have no record of ‘Jesus’ though a ‘Christ’ (The Anointed One) does show up and was executed by crucifiction. So what was I getting at? Faith is incredibly foolish. Don’t take someone’s word for it. Question everything. Just because most people think it doesn’t mean its right.

  • M

    Why is it that you do not do research before publishing these? Why would you rather like a tabloid, print the sensationalistic version when often these events have very prosaic causes?

  • M

    That image of St.Bernadette is a WAX mask. That is NOT her face. Do you do ANY research at all?

  • generaled

    The apparition of saint Mary in Egypt was witnessed and confirmed by a large number of people of all faiths. many miracles of healing happened as well. God bless the Coptic Orthodox Church.

  • Rei

    @ SlickWilly:

    I'm Catholic, but your words moved me a lot. Goes to show that people like you can learn to respect religious people.

    • geminii69

      Maybe her eye just needed a good rinse out with water?

  • chickadee

    When my little sister was very young she had some sort of eye infection that wouldn't go away, my parents went to five or six different doctor asking for eyedrops etc., but none of them worked. Eventually they said she was going to go blind, and they couldn't help anymore. My parents (our whole family actually) is roman catholic, so they got some holy water from Lourdes and put it on her eyes and prayed, and she was healed in less than a week :).

  • Benz74

    A tongue-in-cheek Bible quote regarding those who would deny attested miracles (to which there have been no scientific explanation) :

    "He said, ‘Then I beg you, father, send him [the dead man] to my father’s house, for I have five brothers,
    so that he may warn them, lest they too come to this place of torment.’ But Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the prophets. Let them listen to them.’ He said, ‘Oh no, father Abraham but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ Then Abraham said, ‘If they will not listen to Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded if someone should rise from the dead.’” – Jesus, in Luke 16:19-31

  • Jay

    Benz, tongue-in-cheek or not, there's a lot of truth in that. A lot of people like to say, "I'll believe when I see the evidence." And some of those people will never believe, no matter what evidence they encounter.

  • Kevin

    One of the most fascinating and interesting things about the story of Our Lady of Fatima was that Mary appeared to them for 6 consecutive months, at the same hour each time- as she told them. Also, these children ranged from ages 7-10 and were not able to read. yet, Lucia spoke of the words Mary said to her, such as the 'consecration of Russia', 'Immaculate Heart', and other words that I think most children who could have went to Yale prep would have a hard time understanding. But they remembered it all. Portugal's gov't at the time was completely against believing any of this, and even tried to make the apparition "hoax" as they saw it, completely fail and blow up in their face in embarrassment by releasing the children from captivity and questioning. This did not happen. Quite the contrary. Even the radical newspapers and clergy (there were plenty because they were being jailed for even promoting this), and officials could not explain what happened that day. One note that should be made: the Catholic Church does not deem something a miracle just for the sake of doing it. There is a massive investigation involved by the Church. They do not want to have something declared a miracle of God and find out later it was a UFO, for those who ride that theory. There are many great books on the story of Fatima. I highly recommend Mark Fellows' "Sister Lucia: Apostle of Mary's Immaculate Heart" which can be read for free using Java or pdf at http://www.srlucia.org/the-book-flash.php God Bless.

  • Skinny

    Dear JFrater, if you come to Medicine Hat, Alberta, I will take you to my local pub for a beer,and I will pay. My friends would say,”That would constitute a miracle!”.

  • sASAH

    COOOLLLLLLLLLLLL

  • Alex

    funny how the photographer didnt photograph the sky in number one.

  • Jojo

    So they had pictures of the people watching but they didn’t have pictures of the actual miracle, doesn’t make sense to me. It’s like “Oh there’s something miraculously once in a lifetime happening right now, let’s take a picture of people how will they react.” FAIL.

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  • tom crowley

    as a scientist I am always amazed at how some skeptics just blow off explanations – mass hysteria for example, by poor ignorant people (I wonder if the writer is a humanist).

    how testable is that hypothesis? you can’t just pull something out of a hat and say that is the explanation. I work on global warming – there are formal mathematical ways of determining whether some unusual climate anomaly is consistent with global warming (ex., warming of the planet).

    just giving some off the cuff explanation is not scientific at all.

    one example – many of the people witnessed what looked like the sun coming right at them. now how could that self hysteria concoct something so outlandish that could be immediately apprehended by thousands of people. the explanation is actually harder to believe than the alternate interpretation is that it is a miracle.

  • Mike Maravilla

    Why only Catholics? Only the Catholic Church has been licensed: “Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build MY Church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. .. I give you the keys to the kingdom.” Only the Catholic Church received the Keys. Non datur quod non habet.

  • Mike Maravilla

    The Shroud of Turin should be in the Top Ten. Check out http://www.shroud.com.
    The Shroud is believed to be the burial cloth of Jesus on which is miraculously imprinted, much like the Tilma of Guadalupe, the frontal and dorsal image of a dead man with the wounds of the crucifixion. It shows the face of Jesus on photographic negatives. It was almost invisible to the naked eye until photography was discovered and the positive image showed up on photographic negatives.

  • Mike Maravilla

    Its is NOT wax. Go see for yourself.

  • MUSSA

    this is the amazing fact of the God.

  • UltraMontane

    Thank you so much for realizing that yes, it is very easy to fall into an atheist bias when trying to cater to all types.
    On the topic, the Catholic Church has the most miracles worthy of belief for the simple reason that it is the only true religion in the world. The simple truth is, very very few individuals have seriously studied Catholicism deeply from an unbiased and open-minded perspective. They will definitely be surprised by truth. The Church has the most documented miracles because it has the most evidence of any religion from any perspective of being true. Only dismiss it after examination.
    If there are miracles from other religions that have evidence for being true, please post, I would like to know about it.

  • Miguel Guillen

    First of all I consider myself agnostic but I’ll try to make a fair comment about a couple of these miracles with my limited knowledge of the matter.

    The first one is the miracle of the tilma of Juan Diego and think I can comment because I’m from Mexico and I know the story, but also I know some inconsistencies with the miracle:

    1. Fray Juan de Zumarraga the bishop to whom the tilma was presented, was a very literate man, he was the founder of UNAM (The university of Mexico) he made a good number of essays and doctrines, so he happens to be a remarkable writer, the problem is that in none of his documents appears a single word of the Virgin apparition or Juan Diego. So why the principal witness, a well known write,r didn’t register or mention such a remarkable event?
    2. The apparition conveniently had place in the Tepeyac hill over the Tonanzin Temple were the Guadalupe Church was command to be built time after the apparition. Tonanzin was by the way a goddess, better known as the Holy Mother of the native people. Coincidence? Not at all, build churches over former indigenous temples was a very common practice for the conquistadors of the time.
    3. The tilma (indigenous cloth) is not really a tilma is a regular painting canvas and the painting was credited to a local painter Marcos Cipac Aquino who based the paint in the Virgin of exremadura (a burnette virgin).
    4. The paint suffer several restorations at least two well known registered restorations one in 1947 and the other in 1973, by the painter Jose Antonio Flores Gomez.

    The second miracle I want to comment is of the Lady of Fatima, I visited Portugal last summer and I visited the church of Fatima I’m very skeptic of these kind of things but I had a feeling of sadness very strong once we enter to the church, without saying a word my girlfriend start crying for no reason. We visited a bunch of churches in Europe that summer but we didn’t feel that sadness in any other church. That’s something I just can’t explain.

  • JebusWeenus

    These are very good examples of just how crazy and gullible religious people are. There is no god and there was no Jesus! No Santa either! It’s time to grow up already!

    Incredible Edible Jesus

    http://ravingatheists.com/forum/showthread.php?t=16087&page=264

  • Beeba

    there are no miracles of the quran

  • Nunzio P Pagano,Sr

    I am in search of somewhere on this planet where Miracles may be taking place so I may see for myself…..any suggestions will be welcomed.

  • Simon Wilby frauds

    One adjective that defines Simon Wilby is smart. He is the CEO of Smart Power, Inc. He developed ?The Smart One,? a revolutionary lithium battery powered by solar for cell phones and ?The Smart Juice? which is energy with the same principle for lap tops.

  • John

    Science : “To see, is to believe.”
    Faith : “Believe, for you to see.”

    Everyday in our lives are miracle, it’s a miracle to be awake in the morning because you are unconscious when you sleep. Miracles of God can happen even in very little way because God wants to show his love for us even in a little way, though we ignore it.

  • Ruby Jean

    I don’t believe in any of this…miracles should have happen in holocaust when the Nazis where burning innocent people in the gas chamber, or in Africa where people are dying of hunger and women and children being massacred, all the miracles mentioned above even if it’s true are all useless and bunch of crap!

  • Sanjay Sharma

    What do Christianity say about rebirth of human beings

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  • Ian Osborne

    The Marian image in #10 looks like a “two-dimensional” cutout, not unlike the Cottingley Fairies.

  • John son of John

    Shalom!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!! ‘. !!!

  • Anshafarooq

    No words just.

  • josh

    miracle of the sun was clearly a ufo. flying zigzaging disc with multicolored lights?

    thats not jesus you guys.

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  • chikaodiliovette

    It is highly unfortunate that some people don’t believe in Mary,there is a lot of controversy surrounding it.But one thing is for sure,Catholics and even non Catholics are testifying to the miracle showered on them by virgin Mary.To crown it all,Mary was addressed by Angel Gabriel in Luke 1:45 where even the angel called her blessed,why we who are mere mortal call her blessed.Whether u believe in the miracle or not.A non christian wrote on this.u can imagine that.someone that doesn’t believe in God at all.Happy are those who did not see but believed.That u didn’t believe does not mean its not true.

  • onyia Grace

    God is wonderful yet till today many fail to believe in him as most powerful and the only one to be worship

  • feather

    Yeah!!!!!Thank you for speaking up. We need more people like you!

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  • poopy

    it’s kind of ridiculous how people try to explain away everything right away. i understand that most of this stuff should be taken with a grain of salt, but some people refuse to accept the fact that maybe miracles actually happen.

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