Top 10 Greatest Shakespeare Plays
- Published July 10, 2008 - 287 Comments
There is no doubt that Mr Shakespeare is the greatest writer of modern English to date – his plays have been made into movies, his sonnets have appeared in books and music, and his works translated in to hundreds of different languages. His contribution to the English language is probably larger than that of anyone else. If you have not read all of the plays below, you should certainly try – I definitely will be [JFrater].
This tragedy is believed to have been written in approximately 1603. The work revolves around four central characters: Othello, his wife Desdemona, his lieutenant Cassio and his trusted advisor Iago. Attesting to its enduring popularity, the play appeared in seven editions between 1622 and 1705. Because of its varied themes — racism, love, jealousy and betrayal — it remains relevant to the present day and is often performed in professional and community theatres alike. The play has also been the basis for numerous operatic, film and literary adaptations.
This comedy is believed to have been written between 1590 and 1594. The play begins with a framing device in which a drunkard is deceived into thinking he is a nobleman who then watches the “play” itself, which depicts a nobleman, Petruchio, who marries an outspoken, intelligent and bad-tempered shrew named Katherine. Petruchio manipulates and “tames” her until she is obedient to his will. The main subplot features the courting of Katherine’s more conventional sister Bianca by numerous suitors. The content has become the subject of considerable controversy. The play has been adapted numerous times for opera, stage, screen and musical theatre.
This play is named after the Twelfth Night holiday of the Christmas season. It was written around 1601 and first published in the First Folio in 1623. Like many of Shakespeare’s comedies, this one centers on mistaken identity. The leading character, Viola, is shipwrecked on the shores of Illyria during the opening scenes. She loses contact with her twin brother, Sebastian, whom she believes dead. Posing as a man and masquerading as a young page under the name Cesario, she enters the service of Duke Orsino. Orsino is in love with the bereaved Lady Olivia, whose brother has recently died and decides to use “Cesario” as an intermediary. Olivia, believing Viola to be a man, falls in love with this handsome and eloquent messenger. Viola, in turn, has fallen in love with the Duke, who also believes Viola is a man and who regards her as his confidant.
This tragedy is believed to have been written in 1599. It portrays the conspiracy against the Roman dictator of the same name, his assassination and its aftermath. It is one of several Roman plays that Shakespeare wrote, based on true events from Roman history, which also include “Coriolanus” and “Anthony and Cleopatra.” Although the title of the play is “Julius Caesar,” Caesar is not the central character in its action; he appears in only three scenes and is killed at the beginning of the third act. The protagonist of the play is Marcus Brutus and the central psychological drama is his struggle between the conflicting demands of honor, patriotism and friendship. The play reflected the general anxiety of England over succession of leadership. At the time of its creation and first performance, Queen Elizabeth, a strong ruler, was elderly and had refused to name a successor, leading to worries that a civil war similar to that of Rome might break out after her death.
The play is an unflattering depiction of the short reign of Richard III of England and is believed to have been written in approximately 1591. The play is sometimes classified as a tragedy (as in the earliest quarto); but it more correctly belongs to the histories, as classified in the First Folio. It picks up the story from Henry VI, Part III and concludes the historical series that stretches back to Richard II. After Hamlet it is Shakespeare’s second longest play and is the longest of the First Folio, whose version of Hamlet is shorter than the Quarto version. The length is generally seen as a drawback, for which reason it is rarely performed unabridged. It is often shortened by cutting peripheral characters.
This is among the best-known of Shakespeare’s plays and is his shortest tragedy, believed to have been written between 1603 and 1606. It is frequently performed at both amateur and professional levels and has been adapted for opera, film, books, stage and screen. Often regarded as archetypal, the play tells of the dangers of the lust for power and the betrayal of friends. For the plot Shakespeare drew loosely on the historical account of “King Macbeth of Scotland” by Raphael Holinshed and that by the Scottish philosopher Hector Boece. There are many superstitions centred on the belief the play is somehow “cursed” and many actors will not mention the name of the play aloud, referring to it instead as “The Scottish Play.”
This romantic comedy was written sometime in the 1590’s and portrays the adventures of four young Athenian lovers; a group of amateur actors; their interactions with the Duke and Duchess of Athens, Theseus and Hippolyta; and with the fairies who inhabit a moonlit forest. The play is one of Shakespeare’s most popular works for the stage and is widely performed across the world.
Believed to be written in 1599, it’s based on the life of King Henry V of England and focuses on events immediately before and after the Battle of Agincourt during the Hundred Year’s War. The play is the final part of a tetralogy, preceded by “Richard II,” “Henry IV, Part 1″ and “Henry IV, Part 2.” The original audiences would thus have already been familiar with the title character, who was depicted in the “Henry IV” plays as a wild, undisciplined lad known as “Prince Hal.” In “Henry V,” the young prince has become a mature man and embarks on an attempted conquest of France.
This play is an early tragedy (and likely Shakespeare’s first) about two teenage “star-cross’d lovers” whose “untimely deaths” ultimately unite their feuding households. The play has been highly praised by literary critics for its language and dramatic effect. It was among Shakespeare’s most popular plays during his lifetime and, along with “Hamlet” is one of his most frequently performed plays. Its influence is still seen today, with the two main characters being widely represented as archetypal young lovers. This is the singularly greatest romance ever written and has been continuously adapted to each generation in musicals, cinema and the theatre.
Written between 1599 and 1601, this play is set in Denmark and recounts how Prince Hamlet exacts revenge on his uncle Claudius, who murdered the King, takes the throne and marries Hamlet’s mother. The play vividly charts the course of real and feigned madness — from overwhelming grief to seething rage — and explores themes of treachery, revenge, incest and moral corruption. “Hamlet” is Shakespeare’s longest play and among the most powerful and influential tragedies in the English language. During his lifetime the play was one of Shakespeare’s most popular works and it still ranks high among his most-performed, topping, for example, the Royal Shakespeare Company’s list since 1879. It has inspired writers from Goethe and Dickens to Joyce and Murdoch and has been described as “the world’s most filmed story after ‘Cinderella.’” The title role was almost certainly created for Richard Burbage, the leading tragedian of Shakespeare’s time. It’s arguably the greatest drama ever written and in the four hundred years since, it has been played by the greatest actors and sometimes actresses, of each successive age.
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July 10th, 2008 at 3:57 am
Another interesting list from Heroajax
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I’ve never been able to bring myself to read anything by Shakespeare. How barbaric of me…
July 10th, 2008 at 4:00 am
Tempyra: try Macbeth – it is not a hard read and it has some great moments – I think a lot of people just presume shakespeare is hard without trying him – he isn’t – you just need to concentrate.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:17 am
Hamlet is quite easy to follow as well I do believe, it was one of his first works that I read, along with Macbeth
July 10th, 2008 at 4:18 am
Great list – I absolutely love Shakespeare’s work!
I only wish Taming of the Shrew was higher, but then again that is coming from a past Katerina.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:20 am
Actually – this raises another good point that would make another great list – who is the ABSOLUTELY most awesome character in a shakespeare play? I would consider that maybe Shylock is it (sadly missing from this list) – he really made the Merchant of Venice come alive for me.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:25 am
Love Shakespeare.I’m a sucker for romance,I love Romeo and Juliet…….
July 10th, 2008 at 4:26 am
jfrater: I think I’d say Mercutio from Romeo and Juliet, he’s always been one of my favorite Shakespearean characters.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:29 am
The best Shakespeare experience you can have is in the theatre. A really good production can even make the Comedies seem funny.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:32 am
I’m so glad I chose to study Shakespeare for English Lit, I really believe he is the best writer there has been or may well ever be.
Macbeth is my favourite play of his but they’re all brilliant in their own way
July 10th, 2008 at 4:36 am
Iain: funnily enough – one of my greatest experiences in life was at an outdoor show of a Shakespeare play – it was in the grounds of Arundel Castle in England. It was pouring with rain, I was 16 and on my first international holiday. I was drinking hot mulled wine and wearing a cheap plastic coat (that all the people watching got because the downpour was unexpected) – the show had to be cancelled because of rain on the stage – but I will never ever forget my lost experience of a shakespeare play!
July 10th, 2008 at 4:37 am
jfrater and xdarkhorsex: The reason I haven’t read Shakespeare is more to do with me thinking of his writing as likely to be boring and over-romantic than ‘hard to read’
. I’ve just been too lazy so far to find out by how much his work will exceed my expectations
July 10th, 2008 at 4:43 am
Great list, although I have to agree I miss seeing Merchant of Venice, I really enjoyed that one. But you do have my two favorites, Hamlet and Julius Caesar.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:55 am
Tempyra (et al.): For people who haven’t read any Shakespeare yet, you might want to start with something like A Winter’s Tale. It’s a short, easy read, and isn’t quite like his other work. If nothing else, you should read it for the stage direction: “Exit, pursued by a bear.”
July 10th, 2008 at 5:06 am
Jen: hahaha – love that stage direction. It is similar comments in the manuscript that make me love the American composer Charles Ives so much. In his concorde sonata for piano he directs the player to play so loud that they wake up the old ladies in the audience who have fallen asleep.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:07 am
Tempyra: you will love it – honestly. Give him a try – you won’t regret it.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:12 am
My friend and I had a discussion about something posted at another site. The poster said that the man who created and wrote Babylon 5 was a better writer than Rod Serling. I was of the opinion that there are very few writers who are in the realm of Serling, among them Shakespeare. He argued that Shakespeare is in a tier higher since 400 years from now, they probably won’t give Serling’s work another thought, but they’ll still be performing Shakespeare’s works.
Thinking about it that way, I had to agree with him.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:13 am
Maybe I’ll read Macbeth on the plane/at the airport tomorrow (I’m going to NZ! Yay!). Now, where to find a copy…
July 10th, 2008 at 5:13 am
I remember more than 20 years ago, my sister and I drove across Ontario, Canada and stopped for the night in Gananoque. The local reperatory theater was performing “The Comedy of Errors” that night and, with nothing else to do, we went to see it. It was probably the best live performance of a Shakespeare play I’ve ever seen and remains one of my fondest memories of that trip.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:18 am
Oh great! I haven’t even started to read any of the epic poems. I haven’t investigated any obscure religions. I’ve looked at a couple of clips of children’s movies and now you add 10 Shakespeare plays to my “things to do” list! Fair go, mate!!!! Lucky for that Mark Twain is so concise. Maybe I should spend my spare lessons reading literature and not LU. (I brought my complete works of WS to Korea with me.)
Another stage direction is “Enter Mariners, wet”. (The Tempest act 1, scene 1; I got that far.)
July 10th, 2008 at 5:21 am
Can’t argue with any on that list. I think Macbeth should be higher than Romeo and Juliet however.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:26 am
I had to read Merchant of Venice, Julius Caesar, Midsummer Nights Dream and Romeo & Juliet in various English classes at school, and I was quite surprised at the time to find I enjoyed them, especially Romeo & Juliet.
People should check out the recent film of Romeo & Juliet, starring Leonardo di Caprio, it’s a really good watch.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:28 am
slipstick: Considering that he lends so much to modern English and was one of the most prolific writers in it at the time, it is no surprise that Shakespeare will be around for a long time
I wish we had a living shakespeare now – it is hard to find ANYONE who even comes close.
Tempyra: excellent – where in NZ are you going?
Peri: isn’t it amazing that 400 years after he died, he can still give us our fondest memories? That is a true mark of genius!
astraya: maybe tomorrow I can do a “top 10 things you shouldn’t bother with” – just to help balance things out
July 10th, 2008 at 5:31 am
Good lord … not only did you miss #1 (”King Lear”) but you left it off the list entirely. You know less than squat about Shakespeare.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:37 am
I just attended King Lear this past weekend at Shakespeare on the Green. I have to admit my first love is Henry V and have shouted my approval from the audience like a drunk rouge at a baseball game. (after the rousing Agincourt speech) Not real proud of that, but it gets me going. After that it’s almost a dead tie between Hamlet and Richard III. I also have to admit my love for these is mainly because of Kenneth Branaugh’s treatment of Henry and Hamlet. Branaugh’s production of these plays is not to be missed. But I have gotten into the habit of seeing these plays at various local festivals as well.
I saw Henry V in Kansas City a couple of years ago. It was 100 degrees at the time the play started and the cast was dressed in traditional garb. It amazes me that they even finished the play it was so damned hot.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:42 am
As for characters, I almost always liked the villians – Richard III, Iago, but Hamlet’s got to be the greatest.
And if any of you out there really like Hamlet, you must, must, must find a copy of “Rosencranz and Gildenstern are Dead” with Gary Oldman, Tim Roth, and Richard Dreyfus. It will blow you away.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:45 am
Late O’Day – If you want to create a list of *your* personal top ten plays by Shakespear, by all means – try. Otherwise, kindly keep your opinion to yourself, instead of breaking wind and allowing it to foul the air in here.
Anyway, I’ve never been too big on plays, though I have read Goethe, and Shakespeare both. I have to say “Faustus” sticks out as one of the best plays ever in my opinion.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:45 am
jfrater: Skiing, there’s 2metres + of snow at Turoa! Then back up north to Whangarei. I have about 9 hours to kill at the airport so I was just wondering what to read and then this list came along, fortuitous timing don’t you think?
July 10th, 2008 at 6:00 am
bucslim:that sounds very familiar – Tim Roth is awesome – he was brilliant in Pulp Fiction – so pathetic and yet so awesome!
Tempyra: excellent! Enjoy the snow for me – I don’t think I will be getting any skiing in this year!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:02 am
This is a fantastic list, and I agree with it 100%.
Many, many years ago, when I was a lad, my mother bought me, for my 15th birthday, an amazingly beautiful Cambridge University massive tome of the collected works of Shakespeare–green leather bound, padded, with gold leaf edgings and exquisite logo-like illustrations for each play. Fantastic book. I’d already read a few plays at that time, but I decided I’d start reading them ALL, one by one, working my way through the book.
I confess that somewhere along the path to “The Winters Tale” or “Timon of Athens” I stopped, and started to skip. I’ve still never read or seen those plays, nor a handful of others. But I’m proud to say I read most of them. And of all of them, even after the love I found for King Lear, for Henry V, for Hamlet… to this day my favorite Shakespeare play remains A Midsummer Night’s Dream. It combines so many charming and wonderful touches… the play just breathes with life.
I was happy, also, to see Twelfth Night here, another play of ineffable charm that I always loved.
Shakespeare was a master in a class very nearly by himself… and this is not hyperbole but simple fact. His only peers are the masters of Greek drama and comedy: Sophocles, Aeschylus, Euripedes and Aristophanes. It took one thousand years for another member to join that exclusive club–it’ll probably be at least that long before another member is allowed in.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:04 am
My favorite Shakespeare character is Falstaff. If I had to vote for a greatest, I’d pick him.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:08 am
I agree that The Merchant of Venice should be included. I think it’s his greatest work, more than any other play it balances comedy with tragedy, and has so many interesting aspects that are still socially relevent – on race, justice, wealth etc.
Never had much time for Hamlet or Romeo and Juliet. King Lear was a far superior tragedy, I think (and Midsummer Night’s Dream the best comedy).
(Shakespeare’s greatest characters would be a great list! Lady Macbeth and Falstaff surely should feature, I think.)
July 10th, 2008 at 6:08 am
actually, it’s almost TWO thousand years from Aeschylus to Shakespeare.
It would actually be harder to list Shakespeare’s ten worst plays. As You Like it and Much Ago would certainly appear on my own ten best.
I’ve directed Comedy of Errors and Merry Wives (twice) and well-done, they each get more belly laughs than any other.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:10 am
Randall: a nice assessment – do you think that anyone has come even CLOSE to the same level of skill? I am wracking my brain to find someone but there is always a stumbling block to the people I pick. I would love to be able to include a beatnik in there – and if I did it would be Ginsberg for Howl, but some of his later stuff probably excludes him.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:13 am
Mac: Lady Macbeth is, indeed, outstanding. What an astoundingly brilliant part to play for any actor! It is no wonder it inspired such a great literary (Leskov) and operatic (Shostakovich) work as Lady Macbeth of the Mtsensk District!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:27 am
jfrater:
Jamie, I respect you and love you, man… but Ginsberg? Are you kidding me? Please. I know people love the beat generation poets (I’ve never been able to fathom it myself, except that it’s a parallel as to why people think The Grateful Dead–gack–are the greatest rock band in history.. i.e., it’s more about the image than the actual product) but Ginsberg anywhere NEAR Shakespeare? No… sorry, not while I breathe to have something to say about it.
No, there quite simply is no one even close to Shakespeare in any shape or form except the aforementioned Greeks. If you bring it down to just the level of poetry, MAYBE Eliot and Yeats get kinda close, but it makes me swallow hard to even utter that. There was something mythically powerful in Joyce, but again–nothing like Shakespeare. Tolstoy, Rabelais, Dostoeyefsky… they drift in Shakespeare’s direction… but no, they ain’t anything like Shakespeare.
Nope, Shakespeare is on his own, far and away. His gift was unique, and the power of his soul was immense. He was the first poet in English who really stared into the abyss of modernity… as Kenneth Clark said about him, he was perhaps the first instance in the West when a great poet was without religion. And he found all the words for us later moderns, to face that emptiness. No one has or will have his power, for quite some time to come.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:29 am
I love Hamlet! But who doesn’t, really…
“Ghost cries under the stage.” (Act I, Scene 5)
Pure awesome!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:29 am
…but thanks for the compliment, Jamie… I’m sorry I got my back up about Ginsberg. I liked “Howl,” but my opinion always was that G. shot his bolt with that one, and there was nothing worthwhile after.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:31 am
AH!! A list after my own heart. I was a student of The Poet in college. Many, many hours spent pouring over dusty texts. I fell in love with the work though, that was quite unexpected. I had no idea in my youth that Mr. S was so… worldly(?).
I have to admit that I’m disappointed. Far too many histories on this list for my taste. And Henry V so high up! Tsk Tsk. Merchant was very much overlooked and The Scottish Play should be much higher! Also, there is no reason I can think of for Othello to be at number 10. It should be higher! Perhaps I would list them all as #1?
I think my favorite character to play was Ophelia. Wonderous madness! And Lady Mac, such sumptious guilt. /sigh
You’ve made me miss my actor days….
July 10th, 2008 at 6:31 am
mregan:
Good god! How could I make such a silly error… thank you for correcting me.
I plead early morning and haven’t had my coffee yet… sheesh.
TWO thousand years. Not one.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:38 am
Great list. I read many of these in school, and I am of the age where you had to memorize lines. Generally a poignant soliloquy. Of all the Shakespeare I memorized the only one I can recite to this day is Portia’s – “The quality of mercy is not strain’d. It droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven, It is twice bless’d,,,” – thus my disappointment in it’s omission. The Merchant of Venice is still my favorite. With MacBeth a close second. I aced MacBeth too, did an essay positing Lady MacBeth as the 4th witch.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:41 am
Once again a reminder of how stupid and uncultured I am. I tried reading shakespeare once but it was a bit strange to read a play. I should think its better to see the plays then read them or?
I did see Romeo and Juliet on film and thought it was great.
Good job on the list Heroajax.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:44 am
I am sure this point has already been made, but I will second or third or fourth the point – King Lear should be on this list, and/or near the top.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:51 am
greatest writer ever? yeah right, try Dr. Seuss now there’s a writer
July 10th, 2008 at 7:04 am
being an actor in my formative years i got the opportunity to do several stage versions of shakespeare. having to dig that deeply into meaning opened up the intricacy of his speech that i otherwise never would have discoverd. brilliant man.
my faves…
comedy…much ado about nothing
tragedy…hamlet
history…henry v
sonnet…#23
best character? wow, what a question. either hamlet (mel gibson’s version was surprisingly good) or benedict or beatrice (much ado)
and kenneth branaugh has definately found his life’s work in directing and acting shakespeare. brilliant man.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:13 am
Wonderful list. It’s hard not to go right with Shakespeare, right?
Hey, who wants to start up the Bacon/Shakespeare controversy? haha not me!
Randall: I agree, Falstaff is absolutely the best character in all of the plays. Who doesn’t love a corpulent man with a taste for sack?
July 10th, 2008 at 7:31 am
I love Macbeth, its a few on here i havent even heard of that I must go pick up. Romeo and Juliet always makes me sad : (
July 10th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Why is The Taming of the Shrew so controversial?
July 10th, 2008 at 7:50 am
Jackie: Because it’s a guy putting his wife in line, and at the end she is glad to be submissive (despite what some modern readings/enactings of the play may present). You know, hierarchy is such an evil thing.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:59 am
I am so glad to know that my love of Shakespeare is shared by so many. Reading his words always has a calming effect. I was horribly distraught this year to hear that some high school are
no longer requiring students to read the original text, but are using “modern day English” instead. They still call it Shakespeare!
Personal favorite would have to be the Rape of Lucrece. I also used Sonnet 47 in my wedding in place of scripture.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:02 am
What about “As You Like It”
July 10th, 2008 at 8:05 am
I hate Shakespeare. He was the cause of too many endless summer afternoons stuck in a classroom. If I could, I’d go back in time like Rowan Atkinson and hurt him.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:14 am
I’m probably gonna be murdered for writing this, but I think Hamlet is grossly overrated. Yeah, the writing’s colourful; yeah, the characters are (generally) convincing, but look at the ending. Just look at it. The story arc resolves itself by … SPOILER AHEAD … killing every single main character. What a cop out. I wonder if Shakespeare was familiar with the term ‘Deus Ex Machina.’
And anyone pretentious enough to tell me that the denouement massacre is “the whole point,” please. Don’t. Because it’s not.
Don’t get me wrong, I think Shakespeare was a great poet, probably the best in the English language (along with Blake and Milton) but if any of his plays were translated to today’s standard prose, their awful plotting would float to the surface like a piece of crap in a toilet bowl.
Take away the poetry, and he’d have nothing on Pinter et al, or even Bruckheimer, which is why I just can’t understand why Hamlet is the 2nd most reproduced play of all time.
I welcome anyone who feels like telling me I know nothing of
Shakespeare, and can explain Hamlet’s popularity to me.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:24 am
It’s amazing the lenghts some people will go to in order to reveal their ignorance to the internet, isn’t it?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am
You talking about me Bob?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:29 am
PineappleSundae:
You…..are…..a…..freaking…..moron.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Oh here we go. I thought commnts were for people to share their opinions. Obviously not.
Why exactly am I a moron Randall? Because I don’t share the same opinions as you?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:32 am
Oh here we go. I thought comments were for people to share their opinions. Obviously not.
Why exactly am I a moron Randall? Because I don’t share the same opinions as you?
July 10th, 2008 at 8:33 am
Wow, coming in at comment 50 … I didn’t think this list would spark off this many comments so quickly. Just a few points of advice for everyone who “can’t seem to get into Shakespeare.” 1. Do not ever, ever, ever, ever READ Shakespeare. 2. These are plays, not novels. 3. They are meant to be WATCHED not read. 4. Start with easy modern adaptations of the plays so you can get a feel for what’s being said. It’s easier that way because the visuals are familiar to you even though the language might be confusing. 5. Concentrate and pay attention. 6. If you want to STUDY the Bard, then by all means read, otherwise … watch, it’s a play.
Shakespeare wrote modern plays, they should be adapted to modern times and several directors have done so very succesfully on many occasions.
To help you ease into it, here’s my suggestions for good movie adaptations. Baz Luhrmann’s Romeo and Juliet with Leo and Claire (pictured above) is probably the best adaptation of the play I’ve seen. There’s a lot of cuts, but it works. Zeffreli’s R&J is good, but a bit too much “puking” of the lines for my taste. Kenneth Brannagh’s version of Hamlet is the finest production and makes all other’s look like high school plays. Every line is delivered (although not always in the order written). Brannagh’s version of Othello is decent as well, his version of Henry V is excellent. 10 Things I Hate About You is a good modern translation of the play Taming of the Shrew. I know I’m going to get flamed to death for this, but I don’t particularly care for any of Olivier’s films. I’ve seen parts of a few of them and I just get the feeling he has no idea what he’s saying. The above movies I provided clearly show the actors knowing what they are doing and saying.
I selected this list and the order I placed them a lot based on the popularity of the plays. Although I agree with several of the previous posters suggestions for many of the same reasons they give, these are the most popular and … well, hence the top 10.
There are a lot of histories here, but he wrot a lot of histories as well. They happen to be some of his best work. I personally would place Julius Caesar in the tragedy column rather than the history column.
As far as my favorite character … I might have to go with Mercutio. Harold Perrineau’s is exactly how Mercutio should be played. Lavish, hysterical, totally over the top. He was perfect.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:40 am
@PineappleSundae. I don’t think you’re a moron. That’s your opinion. It’s valid. I disagree with your assessment of the play although I can certainly see how you reached that conclusion. Part of the reason everyone dies in Hamlet was accidental. I don’t think it was Shakespeare’s intention to “cop-out” and at the time it was written, that type of thing was rare. It was supposed to shock you as the viewer. The expectation is that Hamlet will come out on top having avenged his father’s murder, take his place on the throne and reclaim the lands captured by Fortinbras. Which is exactly what doesn’t happen and peripherials got killed in the wake of his revenge.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:44 am
Heroajax- you list was great, but to say that you should never read Shakespeare would be untrue-You should not read the plays, but there are many obscure sonnets and short stories that should surely be read. To miss those would be a travesty-they are some of the best work. They are also good forthose just beginning to read Shakespeare. They are short and relatively easy to understand.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am
What? No Pulp Fiction?
I mean, it was one of his lesser known works, but come on…
Go here to read it: http://pulpbard.wikispaces.com/
July 10th, 2008 at 8:47 am
mofleminator- I too read Dr. Seuss — to my children!
July 10th, 2008 at 8:48 am
ScarlettAngel, I agree, a little mistype on my part. Watch plays, read other stuff.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:48 am
Bleg, I can’t stand Romeo and Juliet. I like to believe that Shakespeare meant to make those two iconic whiners, rather than lovers. I never understood people swooning all over that story.
Personally, instead of their parents falling all over themselves with regret at the end of that one, I think Juliet should have been sent to therapy and an all girls boarding school early on, and Romeo? Military school or something, anything that would have made a man of him. I suppose that would be boring
I revise my first sentence… I like Romeo and Juliet, I think it is a brilliant depiction of how stupid and hormonal teenagers can be.
I would also have put King Lear on there, but otherwise, I love this list. All great plays. Twelfth Night is a particular favorite of mine, very complicated and clever. the only one on here I haven’t seen or read is Henry V. Sad, I know, I gotta get on that.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:49 am
Fine list, fine list. Shakespeare was always one of my dirty little pleasures. Hamlet, Macbeth and Julius Caesar were my hands down favs…I dont know what I was drawn to the tragedies. I think it was perhaps, more visceral and real to me than the farces, perhaps something a bit more ominous and majestic about them. Maybe I’m just attracted to the pretention of the elegant fall from grace, the beautiful hubris of it all. Either way, truly there are no wordsmiths like William Shakespeare. Great list.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:58 am
Could it be possible to add an “Honorable Mention” section? I thought Titus Andronicus and As You Like It were brilliant…
July 10th, 2008 at 8:59 am
yummy
July 10th, 2008 at 9:01 am
Pineapple:
“Why exactly am I a moron Randall? Because I don’t share the same opinions as you?”
Well yes, to be frank.
But no, that’s just my way. I kid. I tease.
But honestly, Pineapple… did it never occur to that maybe, given that some 500 years of critical analysis and audience fervor has firmly established Hamlet as Shakespeare’s greatest play—that maybe, just maybe you were missing something? Did it not occur to you that the plot is secondary? That like all potboilers, Hamlet uses contrivances and dramatic tricks to further a *larger* aim? What I sense from what you wrote is that you didn’t *understand* Hamlet. The point to it. What it’s REALLY about.
Amongst many other things, Hamlet speaks the modern age for us. And he speaks the inner tragedy of the mind. He is a richly full, amazing character…. plagued with doubt behind his resolve. He is admirable and yet at times despicable. He’s an invention of genius. And his plight is something we can all understand.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Well Randall, please tell me, what is Hamlet REALLY about?
You haven’t really told me a lot.
What I do understand about the play is that it is significant because it depicts for the first time a character who is paralysed by the projected consequences of his actions.
What I also understand is that it uses, and quite adroitly, the device of a play within a play.
And I also understand the beauty of the soliloquies and of the language in general.
But tortured psyches, clever narrative devices, and poetic language can be found in all of The Bard’s plays, so what makes the Prince of Denmark special.
Whatever my inferior mind is missing, I’d really like to know, so please, elaborate.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:18 am
Awesome List, I was in a play of Hamlet, so I automatically agree with #1
July 10th, 2008 at 9:27 am
@Nelia. In order to completely understand R&J. You must believe in love at first sight. IMHO, regardless of their age or “hormonaly stupid” these are two people who knew the instant they saw each other they were destined to be together. What sucks for them is that they’re supposed to be mortal enemies and just loathe each other, but they don’t love conquers all the hate they must feel for each other. Juliet even says so in the play “My only love sprung from my only hate. Too early seen unknown and known too late.” She’s clearly already in love with Romeo and he her as indicated from his earlier line “O, she doth teach the torches to burn bright.”
Now, you could of course make the argument that they’re just in “lust” with each other rather than love, but c’mon we’ve all been in lust with someone. Ask yourself this. Would you die for someone you’re in lust with … or would it take a bit more than that to be willing to surrender your life? Perhaps love? :-p
July 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
I think the reason Shakespeare is far and away the greatest poet is because of his ‘universal-ity (leave it to my butchering of the language to describe the best)
He essentially codified the human condition on stage. Love, fear, revenge, madness, all of these emotions and circumstances that we all go through have been examined in his narratives. Others have approached that as well but not with the wit and mastery of the language he possessed.
Can’t make a decision – watch Hamlet. Think you’re getting away with something? Watch Richard III. In love? Romeo and Juliet. Someone pull a fast one on you? Othello. The French taking shit that doesn’t belong to them? Henry V. Think your girlfriend is whoring it up? Much Ado about Nothing. Kids getting too big for their britches? King Lear.
Ok, it takes some perseverance to read some of that stuff, go watch the plays. If it’s done with any style, you’ll get it and you might just enjoy it.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:32 am
I’ll tell you when I got hooked. Sitting in 9th grade study hall after pulling out a copy of The Tempest, laughing out loud at the Caliban/Stephano/Trincullo scene. “A most ancient and fish-like smell”. Any ninth grader would find that funny, I think.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:38 am
What about the Tempest guys?
“How many goodly creatures are there here! How beauteous mankind is! O brave new world, That has such people in’t!”
July 10th, 2008 at 9:48 am
@PineappleSundae. Hamlet is significant for many reasons and the plot is continuously repeated even in today’s movies.
Here’s the plot summary. Hamlet is the Prince of Denmark (about 35 yrs old) and next in line for the throne. Two months ago, his father, the king died. Hamlet did not inherit the throne, which you would expect. Hamlet’s uncle actually takes the throne. Not only that, he marries Hamlet’s mother … after the king, Hamlet’s father has been dead … for two months?!?!?!?! Hamlet’s not really happy about this. He feels his mother and uncle should still be in mourning for the dead king, instead they get married rather quickly. Hamlet actually tells the queen and new king this in front of the court in a rather insulting manner. This is essentially how the play opens with the first of Hamlet’s 3 great speeches. Hamlet basically complains about his situation and can’t understand how no one but him seems to be mourning the loss of the king.
In the next scene, Horatio, a school friend of Hamlet’s informs him about seeing a ghost while helping on guard duty the previous night. Horatio tells Hamlet the ghost appears to look like the king. Hamlet agrees to stand watch that night too see for himself. The ghost appears. It’s the ghost of Hamlet’s father! The ghost tells Hamlet his uncle murdered him and charges Hamlet with avenging his death.
So, now Hamlet’s in a pickle. His father’s ghost wants his son to murder his uncle, who is the king now and avenge his death. How does Hamlet go about doing this? He’s reluctant to believe the ghost as it’s not common that brother’s kill each other. Hamlet decides to set up the king and verify the ghost’s claims of murder. He sets up a performance for the king and court. The performance is, of course a murder in which the murder acts in a similar manner to the way the king was killed. “The play’s the thing in which I’ll capture the conscious of the king,” Hamlet claims. He is claiming that if he sees the king react, that will be his evidence the ghost speaks true.
When the king reacts, Hamlet knows he now must murder the king. He’s having trouble doing it though. This is Hamlet’s second great speech … “to be or not to be.” This is Hamlet deciding on what to do, either kill himself for his lack of action or kill the king.
The other deaths in the play are interesting and add to the storyline, but that’s essentially the plot. Hope that helps.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:51 am
my favorite is Comedy of Errors.
Hamlet is similar to the Greek myth of Orestes. The Trojan War hero Agamemnon was killed upon his return to Greece by his wife, Clytemnestra and her boyfriend. Orestes works with Apollo to avenge his father’s death by killing his mother. He is accused of murder by the Furies, but is acquitted by Athena.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
Aaaahhhh!! Noooo! How can Hamlet be #1? I have read all but one of these (Richard III) and Hamlet was definitely my least favorite. (Either way, you did a great job on the rest of the list, so I’ll just look the other way when I get to #1.
Thanks for a great list, Heroajax!)
July 10th, 2008 at 9:53 am
I left Tempest off the list for the (IMHO) lame ass ending. “Let your indulgence set me free.” Pfffffffft. Clap for me and I’ll go home. Uggggh. Laaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmeeeeeeee. It did make me laugh a lot though. I just hated that ending.
July 10th, 2008 at 9:59 am
heroajax @ 74
I commend your efforts to enlighten me, but the truth is that I’ve read Hamlet twice, and am more than familiar with the plot.
What it is that I don’t understand is why Hamlet is universally acknowledged as Shakespeare’s greatest play, when I found Romeo & Juliet, A Midsummer Night’s Dream, Julius Caesar, and King Lear more exciting and memorable.
Is the play popular because Hamlet’s inability to act is very human, and thus completely understandable for all of us? Or is there more to it?
July 10th, 2008 at 10:02 am
i am glad I have not only read all the books but also was a part of Romeo Juliet play in high school and Merchant of Venice too…
I always love reading Shakespeare’s stories and poems too… I am poet too… and i must i he writings inspired me a lot
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jfrater: Do you hate Indians? I am not an Indian I stay here so I found a few interesting things and sent a list on them…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:26 am
“Out … out, damned spot …”
Billy Shake-a-spear proved great entertainment for me during school. I love his plays (except for Julius Caesar, but that is only because of a traumatic experience involving me acting out Marc Anthony’s funeral speech while dead “Caesar” spent the entirety of it lying on the ground looking up my skirt). I love Macbeth, as it was a rather easy read and my first Shakespeare play, and I’m also a fan of Twelfth Night and Merchant of Venice. Excellent list!
July 10th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Oh, I forgot Othello. One of my favourites as well.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:50 am
@PineappleSundae. I feel, Hamlet is the best written and most complete of all his plays. Character development is complete, the plot is complete, the storyline is rich, there’s comedy, tragedy … it’s everyting! Hamlet is tortured by his lack of advice as to what to do. There’s no one to advise him what his course of action should be. He’s given some information … from a ghost? C’mon. Who could act on that information and not be thought a complete nutball?
He’s depressed about losing his father, angry with his uncle, tortured by the fact he has to commit murder, but how do you do that? For some people, it’s not an easy thing to do. Then you add on the relative part, the king part, the brother of his father part, his mother, his kingdom… etc. his actions/inaction will have huge consequences no matter how you slice it up. He’s a completely understandable/relatable character. It’s not just that he’s human by his inaction, but more that Shakespeare not only writes all the emotions any person would be feeling in this situation, but you’re caught up with all of Hamlet’s emotions. His fear, his love, his anger, his hatred, his depression, his indecision … all of it is just so completely relatable and is a perfect example of the human condition.
In addition to all of that it’s an extremely well written play. The plot is flawless, the speeches … by all characters … are simply amazing. It’s probably the singularly most important contribution to the English language ever written.
If you have only ever read Hamlet, you’re doing yourself and the play a disservice. You need to watch it. Reading does not deliver the same feelings and emotions as an actor correctly speaking the lines. Rent/Netflix Brannagh’s version. It’s absolutely amazing. The acting is spectacular, the sets are beautiful and it deserved every award it’s ever received.
July 10th, 2008 at 10:55 am
bouncy, bouncy, follow the bouncing website…uh…er…sorry ’bout that guyz if things come and go. sorting it out w/ sysadmins. please do not adjust your sets…
July 10th, 2008 at 10:56 am
My favourite right now is Othello, but I’m seeing Hamlet next September, and I’ve heard so many good things about it that I’m really looking forward to it.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Heroajax @ 83
Where Randall attempted to have me believe that I was missing the point of the story (with pretentious phrases like “Hamlet speaks the modern age. And he speaks the inner tragedy of the mind” – I doubt if he himself gets the point of the story), you sir, have pointed out something I can’t believe I missed. I have never actually gone to SEE Hamlet!
I’m pretty sure that it’d seem more deserving of the acclaim it’s been given if I just went to see it in the medium for which it was intended. And thanks to you, that’s what I intend to do forthwith.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Pineapple:
You call ME pretentious when you come on here and pretend to be oh-so-hip that you just can’t see the relevance or greatness of Hamlet?
Please.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:29 am
@PineappleSundae, glad to hear that. I firmly believe (regardless of what any high school English teacher has ever told you) you MUST watch plays. Plays aren’t meant to be read. The only purpose of reading a play is perhaps to study it for the prose, writing or clarify something you missed the actor saying. That’s it. Plays are meant to be watched not read. If you have read anything by Shakespeare and not watched it, that’s just wrong IMHO. You gotta watch ‘em.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:36 am
Randall:
How can you be oh-so-hip that you just can’t see the relevance or greatness of Hamlet? Wouldn’t it seem more oh-so-hip to pretend to see the relevance?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:42 am
Pineapple – Huh?
July 10th, 2008 at 11:45 am
Seeing is much better than reading. Doing on stage is even better. I’ve acted in, directed, designed, or teched on more than twenty different full length Shakespeare’s over the years, (not to mention modern adaptations like West Side Story or Kiss Me, Kate) and watching the understanding of the language and emotional depth come upon the performers is always invigorating. Especially once you explain to a young actor that what they are saying is actually funny.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:46 am
bucslim:
Are you confused about something?
July 10th, 2008 at 12:01 pm
Randall’s opinion is that Hamlet is great.
PineappleSundae’s opinion is that it’s not.
What’s the keyword here? OPINION.
They’re just that. Opinions. If people didn’t respect each other’s opinions around here, I wouldn’t visit this site at all.
Instead of trying to convince each other that the other one’s wrong and you’re right (which inevitably leads to insults), why don’t you simply take what each other is saying as what they are, OPINIONS!
Any “I compel you to think like me” arguments only belong in religious debates (and even there, they’re VERY ANNOYING).
July 10th, 2008 at 12:07 pm
This above all: to thine own self be true.
-Polonius, Hamlet
July 10th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
shakespeare is great but sometimes i just dont understand. haha
July 10th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
I had some really awesome and insulting comeback to Kreature’s post, but the server is acting like Crispin Glover with a Dexatrim shunt and a drip of triple espresso.
I thought we were past that.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Heroajax: You’ve got me wondering if there’s a name for the gesture we make where we stick out our tongues, make a raspberry, put our thumbs in our ears, and wave our hands. You’re getting one of those for “The Tempest,” my friend!
Seriously, good list, and at least you’re prepared with a response on few that would make my list (like “King Lear”).
I admit it, I like “Titus Andronicus,” but I don’t know that I’d call it “great.” I know that the English majors can and do rip it apart, but for me, it’s one of those “popcorn” plays that you can watch (if you can FIND a performance) or read and not have to think too much on a day when you just need some cheap entertainment from Shakespeare. Titus himself is a loyal guy who’s wronged badly, who seeks revenge in interesting ways, and there’s something of a proto-Iago in the form of Aaron. I’d like to nominate it for one of Shakespeare’s best stage directions:
Enter DEMETRIUS and CHIRON, with LAVINIA, ravish’d; her hands cut off, and her tongue cut out.
As an aside: For those who haven’t seen them, check out Akira Kurosawa’s interpretations of “King Lear” and “Macbeth,” in the form of “Ran” and “Throne of Blood.” These aren’t a bad place to start for folks who struggle with Shakespeare’s language, and it certainly won’t hurt to pick up a copy of “Shakespeare for Dummies” to help out with readings.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
I believe the point is that both Randall and PineappleSundae both enjoy Shakespeare, they just differ on which is the best.
Kreachure- I agree completely. If people would value others opinions we would not have half the problems in the world. How many wars(and lives lost) have been fought because of people trying to fit everyone into their own personal box? Their god, their politics.Granted a few have been good for mankind, but only a few.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:42 pm
QDV.
Ha ha ha. You can raspberry me all you want. I simply can’t justify Tempest being on the list. I did enjoy the play, but it seems to me like Bill phoned it in, especially the ending. Keep in mind this is also a list based on popularity as well as greatness. Interesting, yes, humourous, yes. Great … sorry. No.
I will completely agree with you on Titus Andronicus. I was blown away by that one. YES!!! Serve up your enemies as dinner to your other enemies!!! OOOOO, soooo Greek. LOVED IT!!!! If you get a chance, see “Titus” with Sir Anthony Hopkins in the title role. AWESOME! English majors can feel free to rip it apart as much as they like. What they can’t do is deny, not only the classical genre presented, the prose, but the overall story of a man hell bent on revenge for being so wronged for all he’s given to his country.
I hemmed and hawed over that or Othello. In the end, I had to give it to Othello due to popularity.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Shakespeare essentially invented the modern narrative devices that we see still in use today (at least…he popularized them). One of the things I remember most about Shakespeare from high school English is that Shakespeare almost invariably opens all his plays with one of three elements, designed to grab the viewer’s attention: violence, teenage sex, and/or the supernatural. To this day, these three devices are still among the most widely used in popular entertainment.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Dear Pineapple Sundae,
I have one word for you that should completely clear everything about Hamlet up for you.
…Emo…
People love to see other people in a sad state. Now maybe that’s over simplifying a bit but, really, that’s all it is. We love it, they love it, everyone loves it.
Cept you, of course.
July 10th, 2008 at 12:57 pm
bucslim: Well, if your insult to my post is anything like the one towards the server, I wouldn’t bother either…
July 10th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
45. Bob
Don’t forget DeVere…
July 10th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I agree with Kreachure
July 10th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
and yes, there have been some status issues. sorry guyz. it is being worked on.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Haha, romerozombie would you then give him another thing to be famous for? Ball point pen perhaps?
July 10th, 2008 at 1:34 pm
How about a list of the best Shakespeares that never get performed? Titus Andronicus….cutting off hand, cutting out tongues, baking the rapist sons into a pie and feeding it to their mom….FUN!!!!
July 10th, 2008 at 1:45 pm
Bob: Oh ok thanks
July 10th, 2008 at 1:57 pm
Ok I hope I don’t get flamed for this opinion…first off let me say Romeo and Juliet is my favorite play. It’s beautifully written (I mean a sonnet within a play, come on!) I even had the entire play on a poster hanging up in my room in high school.
HOWEVER I never understood the idea that two people who’ve known each other for three days could kill themselves over each other. I sort of believe it was mostly lust and not love. It just seemed unrealistic to me…they didn’t even know each other a week!
July 10th, 2008 at 2:01 pm
oh, i was getting nervous when i didn’t see my romeo and juliet on there…
#2 behind hamlet, couldn’t have made a better choice myself. i’m such a girl, i go weak at the knees for leo dicaprio… don’t even mention titanic. i can quote the whole play. even the parts baz lurhmann missed.
great list jfrater, now i’m gonna go home and watch me some listless tragedies! love it!
July 10th, 2008 at 2:08 pm
hmm nifty list though my favorite isnt in there.. king lear is lacking
July 10th, 2008 at 2:35 pm
I was very pleased to see “The Taming of the Shrew” here… it is one of my favorite Shakespearean plays, next to “The Tempest”
my all time favorite line in “Shrew” is this naughty little number…
2. Petruccio: Come, come, you wasp, i’faith you are too angry.
Katherine: If I be waspish, best beware my sting.
Petruccio: My remedy is then to pluck it out.
Katherine: Ay, if the fool could find where it lies.
Petruccio: Who knows not where a wasp does wear his sting? In his tail.
Katherine: In his tongue.
Petruccio: Whose tongue?
Katherine: Yours, if you talk of tales, and so farewell.
Petruccio: What, with my tongue in your tail?
This kind of banter reminds me of my man and I… except instead of a wasp, he calls me a bitch. (beware her bark, my friends, the bite is far worse!!)
I call him a jackass.(ignorant, arrogant,stubborn mule!)
it’s all fair in love and war, you know.
(you should hear what we call each other when we are angry…)
rtr
July 10th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
@109 Jackie, see my explanation to your question. Comment #71. With the additional knowledge, that neither one was supposed to die. It was a tragic accident. Hence the whole “tragedy thing.”
July 10th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
kris (80) huh? If you think I haven’t received something, send it again – don’t accuse me of racism!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
Great list!
I’d personally move Richard III up a bit, but I quibble.
What surprises me is that after 112 comments, no one has brought up the question of authorship.
(Opening HUGE can o’ worms.)
Myself, I think Billy the Shake wrote the whole lot of ‘em.
Every now and then true genius does appear.
In 400 years I suppose someone will argue that Einstein could not have come up with all of his sublime theories because he flunked math as a child!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
Erm, Kris is talking about the India list, that s/he submitted, and that got removed… remember? The India list? Yeah, that list.
*backs away slowly before all hell breaks loose*
July 10th, 2008 at 3:18 pm
Can’t argue with this list. Helluva job!
July 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Jfrater: NO i haven’t accused u…i won’t do that to anyone… i just asked if you hate them…that’s all!!!
Well I would try to send it again. Did you ever visit Isle of Wight? I would try to make list of that too…as if now I am in India and try to love my stay here
July 10th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Kreachure, wasn’t that list plagiarized?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:26 pm
Kreachure: how do you know about my list? can you view before they are published? that wasn’t fair as I told I am a British and just came with my dad as he has some business to take care of… I found it through my cousin who married an Indian…BTW I am she
Jfrater: did it get removed accidentally or?
July 10th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
(*Sigh* well, since I already stuck my nose where it don’t belong, I might as well get it all the way in…)
kris: The list was posted in the site not so long ago, and then it was taken down because someone found a site (that I can’t find myself to link to it here) which had several of the list items in verbatim (or however you use that word). In other words (oh boy)… your list got taken down because it plagiarized that other site.
Now, may I please go take cover under a table? k thx.
July 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Oh right, this very issue was discussed in the forums: http://listverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1037
July 10th, 2008 at 3:48 pm
Waitaminute, did you say you FOUND the list????
July 10th, 2008 at 3:58 pm
I hate to say it but, I didn’t like Hamlet as much as I liked Macbeth. And I thought King Lear was better than both (this could be because of quality of performances though)
Has any one else seen/read the RSC’s Complete Works? funny stuff, especially the footnotes
July 10th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
I’d have loved to have seen the Tempst on this list. Its my favourite
July 10th, 2008 at 4:39 pm
Another excellent list, Heroajax – thank you.
Yes, ‘Hamlet’ has to be #1. Surprised ‘Othello’ isn’t nearer the top, & even more surprised ‘Lear’ isn’t there at all. But that’s just going by the critical consensus, perhaps, & as numerous people have said it’s a matter of taste ultimately. The plays I like the best — Cymbeline’, ‘The Winter’s Tale’, ‘The Tempest’: the late romances — don’t appear at all. But there you go.
Personally I prefer reading the plays to watching them performed. You can enjoy Shakespeare’s unique verbal dexterity & his extraordinary ‘negative capability’ at your own pace, without being bothered by the restrictions imposed by the stage or by actors’ OTT performances & directors’ capricious interpretations. (One of my favourite characters from the plays is Malvolio in ‘Twelfth Night’. He always seems to be rendered by actors as nothing more than a pompous prig, & the chilling dignity conferred on him by his response to his mistreatment is lost. Something similar happens with Polonius; just because Hamlet thinks he’s a fool doesn’t mean actor playing him & audiences have to.) Shakespeare, in a sense, just happens to be a dramatist. It’s the words that matter.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:45 pm
Jfrater: ‘Howl’, I have to say, is quite something but generally the Beats produced very little of substance, in my view. When I was at uni, however, I had the opportunity to see Ginsberg, accompanied by Orlovsky, performing Blake’s ‘Songs’ & other stuff. He gave the poems a sort of incantatory power. Unforgettable.
July 10th, 2008 at 4:52 pm
I hate Shakesspear, but I do not understand him, so I go on Sparknotes.com and read the info. Personally, I think the man is a pervert.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
ciunas: wow – you are very lucky! I have an mp3 of Ginsberg singing Spring by Blake – you can download it online in fact by going here
July 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
There’s a lot of discussion about reading the plays here but nothing can compare to seeing a production by a world class theatre company. I am lucky enough to live near Stratford ON and do get to see a least one production a year.
Check it out people it’s worth it.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
jfrater:
Cheers, I just had a listen.
He looked almost comically eccentric when I saw him in the mid 80s — bald pate, wild frizzy mane, enormous beard — but I’m sure this added to his considerable stage presence. I’ve always been glad that I had the chance to see him.
July 10th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
ciunas: I own a first edition signed book by Ginsberg – I just wish it was a copy of Howl – that would be worth a pretty penny now!
jake ryder: I will definitely try that next time I go to England.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:00 pm
Shakespeare reminds me of sitting at home many years ago with my brother reading it out aloud – I wish I could remember the reason why!!
July 10th, 2008 at 6:14 pm
WOW!
There is not one, single, iota of a difference of opinion between Heroajax’s list and my own opinion of Shakespeare’s plays…though I love every one of them.
I love his sonnets too.
**Randall, your description of the book your Mother gave you sounds very like one I still have, got at around the same time. Mine includes all of Shakespeare’s work, not just the plays ..may be a different edition of the same book?
**jfrater, when I was a Uni student I would travel up to San Francisco on weekends just to hang out at City Lights Book Store in case I might run into Ginsberg or Kerouac one of that crowd.
July 10th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
I am surprised “Much Ado About Nothing” did not crack the Top 10! Beatrice and Benedick are surely two of Shakespeare’s most memorable characters. It is also perhaps the best romantic comedy ever produced!
July 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
TDavis(115) I for one don’t believe Bill penned all of these. Too much, too little time (it’s not like he had a computer), and too many varied styles of writing, among other things.
July 10th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
115. TDavis
Check posts 45 & 103.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Oh I love Shakespeare so much!!! Richard III is such a good play. We did it last season, and man it was so much fun to put on!
July 10th, 2008 at 10:01 pm
Pineapple-
I’m not gonna give my opinion on Hamlet, but I will say this. One of the reasons the play was so amazing at the time it was written is because Shakespeare included new medical information. ((Spoiler)) Hamlet’s Uncle kills the king by dribbling poison into the ear. It was a brand spanking new discovery that the ear canal connected at some point to the throat and the rest of the digestive system. Ignoring the rest of the play, that is what I found most interesting.
And if anyone wants to see a fun, musical, animated version of Hamlet…
Go rent The Lion King. =)
July 11th, 2008 at 12:03 am
oh my god this is a horrible list – king lear doesn’t even make the top ten?? henry V and Richard III are placed above othello? did you just pick ten names at random ? here should be the top 5 (the bottom 5 are negotiable)
1. Hamlet
2. King Lear
3. Othello
4. Romeo and Juliet
5. Macbeth
July 11th, 2008 at 12:31 am
I for one don’t believe Bill penned all of these. Too much, too little time (it’s not like he had a computer), and too many varied styles of writing, among other things.
Black Missile – Honore de Balzac’s output was threefold that of Shakespeare. Also, check out Georges Simenon…or Edgar Wallace (who could author a novel in 2 or 3 days). Even John Steinbeck managed in excess of 30 novels. There are many, many more.
Anyways, and notwithstanding the vast chasm in terms of actual talent, at least this shows that Shakespeare’s portfolio of less than 40 plays is hardly prodigious..of course he had time to write them. In fact he, in all likelihood, wrote a bunch more that – like at least one known example – have been lost.
As for “too many varied styles of writing”…the man’s literary genius is unparalled; why should he be incapable of adopting different styles? The collators of the First Folio (who *knew* the Bard personally) wrote : “His mind and hand went together, and what he thought he uttered with an easiness, that we have scarce received from him a blot in his papers.”
These conspiracy theories about the “true authorship” of Shakespeare’s works strike me as being ridiculous.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:46 am
you MUST watch plays. Plays aren’t meant to be read. The only purpose of reading a play is perhaps to study it for the prose, writing or clarify something you missed the actor saying. That’s it.
Heroajax – I fully agree that plays are written for the purpose of dramatic performance…but to say that “plays aren’t meant to be read” seems a little excessive (though I note that you end with a smiley).
July 11th, 2008 at 1:20 am
Hero – sorry…notwithstanding my very minor criticism above (#142) I meant to add that this is an interesting list..thanks!
As for Shakespeare’s “greatest” play, opinion amongst literary critics is typically split between King Lear and Hamlet, and this is difficult to challenge; I’d opt for Lear (which is an intriguing omission from your list).
But I would say Coriolanus is my alltime favourite.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:03 am
I can’t do my work anymore ‘…out damn listverse, out!’
July 11th, 2008 at 3:27 am
I was told by someone once that he never liked reading Shakespeare, that he just hated it. That Shakespeare is not meant to be read, it is meant to be played.
July 11th, 2008 at 4:42 am
I’m sick of how kids these days will spit and plays, we had to
study romeo and Juliet for school and everyone was a fucking mess. Seriously plays aint that bad
July 11th, 2008 at 6:00 am
I loooove Shakespeare’s works! I totally agree with Heroajax … you should watch the plays rather than just read them. Or, even better, act them out! They’re wonderful.
As for favourite characters, I’d have to say Dogberry fom Much Ado About Nothing… he’s just so random. I got to play a female version of that character two years ago and it was lots of fun. Also, I have to admit that I love Juliet’s character. But that’s probably because I got to play that part last summer. At first, I wasn’t particularly thrilled to play her, but after a while she really grew on me. Playing this part was the most intense acting experience I’ve ever had… it started messing with my mind. After a week of perfomances I was in a really bad state… physically and mentally… and I loved every second of it… you go through so many emotions. Well, I think it’s hard to grasp that from only reading the play, but still, you have to realize what a genius Shakespeare was.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:02 am
@kiwiboi. Read my whole comment. It’s only necessary to read the play if you want to study it. If you are just casual about your Shakespeare, then only watch them. It makes it much more enjoyable.
@Toolhead. Yeah, I remember that while in school too. It’s unfortunate kids come into Shakespeare like that. A ton of that comes from parents and teachers forcing kids to read what should be watched. Banning Cliff’s Notes and other study guides which would help greatly. Too many teachers are just morons when it comes to HOW they teach Shakespeare. Most certainly know their stuff, but it’s how they teach him that’s the problem.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:59 am
I just came from shopping bought a book called : A complete work of William Shakespeare by Wordsworth edition (spent my entire month’s pocket money) it includes all the poems and Plays. I must mention As you like it is a good Play too!
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All: M sorry for talking something not related this list…
and thanx a million Kreacher: I found means Patrick-my cousin gave it to me…coz I keep talking about things of this site during B’fast, lunch and dinner…. Well I didn’t know that was a stolen list…or may be it was forwarded one… if i have to write a list personally about India I wouldn’t know anything…and about my town Isle of Wight of then YES!!! and oh yes i can write 15 weird things or customs I have seen in India (oops if my cousin’s wife comes to know this she wouldn’t take me out)
but i have doubt again-hmmm! we do copy things or take help from Wikipedia don’t we? is that come under plagiarized…
Jfrater: R u angry with me? Its me Evelyn aka Kris
n m sorry if u felt bad; but i would be glad if you respond… thanq
July 11th, 2008 at 8:39 am
At a shakespeare festival in NJ our school took parts from Romeo and Juliet and Taming of the Shrew and set them both in a truck stop bar. It was so awesome, and so much fun! Our teacher always said ‘If you hate Shakespeare, you weren’t taught it right.’ and Shakespeare was my favourite class.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:18 am
Read my whole comment. It’s only necessary to read the play if you want to study it. If you are just casual about your Shakespeare, then only watch them. It makes it much more enjoyable.
Heroajax – I did read your comment, and I stand by my response to it. You did not originally say that “It’s only necessary to read the play if you want to study it”; you said “The only purpose of reading a play is perhaps to study it for the prose, writing or clarify something you missed the actor saying. That’s it.”
Which is an entirely different issue.
I, for one, occasionally read Shakespeare for the pure pleasure of it.
July 11th, 2008 at 10:36 am
there’s no new list today!!!
July 11th, 2008 at 10:40 am
but i have doubt again-hmmm! we do copy things or take help from Wikipedia don’t we? is that come under plagiarized
kris – plagiarism, whilst actually difficult to define precisely, is basically about using somebody else’s work without acknowledging the fact. It gets worse when you *deliberately* pass the work off as your own. There are various degrees of “severity”.
Wikipedia, to which you refer, for the most part has no problem with you using its material – so long as you acknowledge it in accordance with their requirements. Listverse lists almost always make this declaration (at the bottom of the list, before the comments). That not only avoids charges of plagiarism, but is the fair and proper thing to do.
It seems, reading your comment, that you did not realise you were doing anything wrong. Fair enough…but it *is* still *wrong*.
However, I am guessing that you are relatively young? I’m sure that if you appeal to jfrater’s sense of compassion, he will likely forgive you
Though he might ask to you provide that list about the Isle of Wight as a suitable “punishment”
July 11th, 2008 at 11:22 am
You include Shrew but leave off King Lear? Yikes. Why not substitute Two Gentlemen of Verona for Hamlet while you’re at it? Or just call the list “Top 10 Shakespeare Plays The Author Has Heard Of”?
http://www.shakespearegeek.com
July 11th, 2008 at 11:25 am
Kiwiboi: Thanq and Thanq u so much. Oh yes I am just out of school lot to learn… as I mentioned earlier this list was given by my cousin Pat… and i told him that he misled me…I didn’t have a clue if it was copied… I would do that again tho!:)
I have apologized to Jfrater hopefully he must forgive me coz i didn’t do that intentionally I didn’t even know that there was a website for that list until Kreachure told me. Its just been a few month I came India.
Oh yes about Isle of Wight I will write it for sure I won’t copy from any one… now
I write poetry and when I was in school I was one of the editors for the school magazine and I would really feel bad if someone copies my work and don’t thank me.
Jfrater: you may remove the list I posted again… Plz plz plz don’t be mad at me. I haven’t done anything intentionally
July 11th, 2008 at 11:28 am
Oh Jesus.. I meant I wouldn’t
Kiwiboi: Thanq and Thanq u so much. Oh yes I am just out of school lot to learn… as I mentioned earlier this list was given by my cousin Pat… and i told him that he misled me…I didn’t have a clue if it was copied… I wouldn’t do that again tho!:)
I have apologized to Jfrater hopefully he must forgive me coz i didn’t do that intentionally I didn’t even know that there was a website for that list until Kreachure told me. Its just been a few month I came India.
Oh yes about Isle of Wight I will write it for sure I won’t copy from any one… now
I write poetry and when I was in school I was one of the editors for the school magazine and I would really feel bad if someone copies my work and don’t thank me.
Jfrater: you may remove the list I posted again… Plz plz plz don’t be mad at me. I haven’t done anything intentionally
July 11th, 2008 at 11:30 am
Can someone plz plz delete comment # 155
July 11th, 2008 at 11:59 am
love the list. Love shakespeare. I have done lots of shakespeare in my life time (being an actor, I even have done “Complete Works of William Shakespeare (Abridged)!” but i would have to say one of his most underappreciated works (and one i would have loved to see on this list) is Titus Andronicus. Richard the third is great, albeit incredebly incredebly long!! (as you pointed out). Titus Andronicus, i recommend it. later
July 11th, 2008 at 12:09 pm
@Duane. Or perhaps we could change the list to “Top 10 Shakespeare Plays That People Have Any Opinion On Whatsoever No Matter How Far Off Base It Is?” :-p
King Lear and Two Gentlemen don’t belong on this list. Period. It’s nice you have an opinion, but you also need to be realistic. If we’re going by your method, why not add on “Timon of Athens” or “Alls Well That Ends Well” while you’re at it? These are the top 10 plays in terms of … well, everything. Writing, performances, translatability, popularity, etc. The plays on my list have been performed continuously, adapted continuously, had entire movies and quotes repeated continuously since they were written. They contain all the plot variations other than man v. machine. When was the last time Lear or Gentlemen was made into a movie? How often are they performed in your town or mine for that matter? Almost never. Good plays? Yes, of course. Top 10. No way. 1987 was the last time for Lear. It appears there’s one coming up for the end of this year, but 21 years between productions? That’s not a blip on a radar IMO. 1983 was the last time for Gentlemen and it was on TV. 1999 was the last time for Shrew and it came in two forms in that same year.
I stand by my top 10 for a reason. These are the top 10 of Bill’s plays and almost 150 other commenters tend to agree. Regardless of whether or not you like it, they simply are the top 10. Sorry.
July 11th, 2008 at 12:25 pm
I thought Comedy of Errors was Good
July 11th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
kris: Looking forward to your Isle of Wight list. As Shakespeare once wrote:
“Pray you now, forget and forgive…”
(King Lear — Act IV, Sc. V)
July 11th, 2008 at 2:33 pm
Sure Kreachure will do that soon
I am good girl; I am!
n thnq so much…My cousin Patrick also said sorry… if not I was not going to doc with him tomorrow!
M still waiting to here from Jfrater…
Well can anyone tell me is there a set of rules to write a Sonnet?
July 11th, 2008 at 2:44 pm
kris: You’re welcome!
As for the rules for writing a sonnet, it depends on what kind of sonnet you’re referring to, since there are many types; see this page for a couple of types:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Sonnet_studies
It also depends on the language, but guessing you are referring to English sonnets, Wikipedia says:
“This is the proper rhyme scheme for an English Sonnet (/ represents a new stanza): a-b-a-b / c-d-c-d / e-f-e-f / g-g“. For more info check out the full article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonnet
July 11th, 2008 at 3:03 pm
Thanq so much again Kreachure…
I will go thru it tomorrow ( its 3 30 AM and I must go to sleep ASAP)… I usually get confused about Sonnets ( English of course)
I aspire to become a poet and writer someday so I have to learn all i could before i want to print my book… and as my dad won’t send me to college coz of my health reasons… I am trying to learn thru internet.
July 11th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
Heroajax: I don’t get you. I thought that this list was compiled & ordered according to your own judgment of the plays’ quality, which was fine by me. You seem to be saying in #159, however, that you used objective criteria. But I don’t understand, from your explanation, what these criteria are. When you refer to the frequency, or infrequency, with which plays are produced, for instance, you don’t explain how you’re measuring this. Do you mean performed by particular companies &/or at particular theatres? I’m sure that as I write most of Shakespeare’s plays will be being performed somewhere on the planet. Also, who are these other commenters you mention, almost 150 of them?
Assuming popularity or majority opinion can be measured for Shakespeare — a very large assumption — then doesn’t it follow that all literary lists should be compiled on the same basis? Wouldn’t that mean that composing a list of, say, the 10 greatest Victorian novels, would simply involve checking with Barnes & Noble or Waterstone’s to see whether ‘Bleak House’, as it might be, has been outselling ‘Middlemarch’ over a given period?
July 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I find it amusing that my post on an earlier list, describing my daughter’s weekly Shakespeare play group, would be followed so swiftly by a list of Shakespearean Plays!
Had I known, I might have saved the story for now!
July 11th, 2008 at 5:11 pm
Kris: ah – I finally see – sorry for that. The list was removed because it was on another site. And there are no hard feelings
July 11th, 2008 at 5:40 pm
Also interesting is watching foreign versions of Shakespeare to see what the other cultures take away from it. An excellent example of this is “Throne of Blood” by the renowned Akira Kurosawa and starring Toshiro Mifune. It’s a retelling of Macbeth from the Japanese point of view. Definately worth the time to watch it.
July 11th, 2008 at 6:50 pm
Heroajax – the reason Lear isn’t performed more often is because it’s tooo beautiful, it’s tooo complex and heartbreaking. The fool speaks in a scatterbrained poetry and that itself would be nigh impossible to act. Lear’s role would stress and actor and audience.
King Lear the best written work in the english cannon next to Hamlet. If you would =READ= the damn play you would know that of which you speak. Start with act IV.6 or maybe read Harold Blooms analysis in his book called “Shakespeare the Invention of the Human”. For you to equate Lear and Two Gentlemen is ridiculous.
and the idea that you only have to watch Shakespeare… how could you ever comprehend the depths of a play like Hamlet or Lear when analogies fly like bullets from a machine gun without reading the text? and what about people who want to get into Shakespeare, should they sit on there thumbs until a theater group comes to town ?
July 11th, 2008 at 10:09 pm
What? No Merchant of Venice?? I want my pound of flesh…!!
Shakes was such a great storyteller. Hamlet, Macbeth and Merchant of Venice are my favorites. Sadly, I’ve never had the fortune of seeing a theatrical version. I wish I could.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:26 am
It’s a good list, but it would have been nice to have some kind of reason for the plays’ inclusions instead of dates and simple plot summaries. The historicals especially have interesting reasons for their writing and for the ’sides’ that Shakespeare took. I hesitate to make my second criticism as well, but: this is rather more of a list of the most popular plays, the ones everyone is familiar with, and I don’t quite think that that’s the same as “greatest”.
“Regardless of whether or not you like it, they simply are the top 10.”
That’s not really how top ten lists work. Unless you’re talking about something mathematically provable (like in the Guiness Book), it’s got to be subjective. Just admit that they are the top ten in your opinion (or else tell us how you mathematically calculated frequency, popularity, and quality into a numerical ratng), and that others may agree.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am
No ‘Much Ado About Nothing’?
July 12th, 2008 at 11:47 am
Can any one tell me where can buy or download Shakespeare’s Plays?
JFrater: thank you!!!
Can I still write about my town I mean (Isle of Wight)?
I really spend most of my time going thru your site and never get tired talking about it. sometimes my dad has to give a hardlook at me to make my mouth shut!!! eheheh!
and also can i put my poems list too?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I’m just glad Romeo and Juliet wasn’t number one. It’s way overrated just because most people have only read R & J out of all the Shakespeare plays and always think it’s the best.
::shakes head::
Hamlet deserves the top spot, though I’m more a fan of Macbeth myself.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Good list, though I would have put Macbeth first. When we had to read Shakespeare plays in high school, Macbeth was the only one I liked.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:18 pm
Hamlet deffinately good choice for number one. I’d have bumped Taming of the Shrew up a little. I like Much ado about nothing personally =D
July 12th, 2008 at 9:36 pm
A list like this without King Lear cannot be taken seriously.
July 13th, 2008 at 9:49 pm
@Ciunis and Helen. I absolutely was not comparing Two Gentlemen to King Lear by any stretch of imagination. If you’re getting that out of my posts, then you’re either not reading completely or you’re interpreting way too much into what I’m saying.
I’m not in any way shape or form debating the merits of King Lear. It’s great, but it’s not better than the ones I’ve listed here. Popularity is a large factor in the top 10. I disagree with the two of your assessments/desire as to some other way of gauging which 10 are the greatest. I’ve pretty clearly stated my criteria in previous posts. Writing, popularity, translatability into modern times, frequency of performances … etc. Popular is popular for a reason. These plays, which are the 10 greatest happen to also be some of the most popular as well. They’ve stood the test of time; 400+ years to be exact. I think that’s pretty clear which of Bill’s plays are the greatest. There is no mathematical formula to use, although I’m certain someone could come up with one, so, yes much is subjective, but over time, sometimes the subjective becomes the objective.
So, although at one point in time all of Bill’s plays were performed, which are still performed most often today? Ask yourselves why? Because they’re good, because they’re well written, because we as patrons love the characters, the drama, the passion, the hatred, the lust, the ambition … these 10 plays contain everything we love about Bill’s observations of the human condition. There’s a reason these 10 plays are performed more often than the others, they’re simply better than the others. If I were to do a top 15, Lear, Titus, Merchant and others would be absolutely be on the list, but not for a top 10 spot. Great plays, but IMO, they don’t make the cut.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:07 am
Saying that there hasn’t been a major movie of Lear since 1987 is a bit misleading, given that:
1. There are two currently planned, and
2. Kenneth Branagh wasn’t old enough to play Lear in the ’90s.
Overall, IMDB lists more movie versions of Lear than of Taming of the Shrew.
The rather rough-and-ready quantification of performance frequencies I put together (using data from the RSC, the Canadian Stratford festival, Ashland, and IMDB) suggests that Lear is the 10th-most performed Shakespeare play, ahead of Othello, Richard III, and Henry V on your list. I would claim that, if anything, looking at performance frequency will give an underestimate the “importance” (whatever that means) of tragedies and of Lear in particular: they’re a lot harder to cast than the comedies are, and people care more when you mess them up.
July 14th, 2008 at 10:42 am
Heroajax – Lear is widely acknowledged as being one of Shakespeare’s greatest dramatic works (along with Othello and Hamlet).
I think the issue here is perhaps the incongruity between the title of the list (”Greatest Plays”) and what you seem to be actually describing (”Most Popular Plays”)…which, as it happens, is also debatable, as it depends on how you gauge popularity.
July 14th, 2008 at 10:57 am
Well done, Micah, for doing a count of Lear performances. You saved me the work! Looking at Canada’s Stratford Festival, among other sources, was wise. It was the the first place I was going to check. I know Christopher Plummer played Lear recently. I’ve also looked at other online lists, none of which fail to mention “King Lear”.
“King Lear” was the inspiration for Kurosawa’s “Ran”, one of the Japanese cinema’s greatest achievements.
Heroajax, it’s time to run up the white flag. “King Lear” would be a worthy number one for your list. To omit it entirely is ludicrous.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
179-181. Forget it. It’s not going to happen. Lear doesn’t make the list. Period. End of discussion for me. The fact is 1987 was the last cinematic production of Lear. There is ONE planned for this year not two. It’s a British television production, not a major Hollywood movie, so will have extremely limited viewings and dubious production value. Although the actors selected are good. The claim that Brannagh was not old enough to play Lear is ludicrous. There’s more than enough make-up to make even our youngest actors and actress appear to be old. The fact is unfortunately, Brannagh’s last Shakespeare movie tanked and Hollywood is leery of giving him money. I remember reading that Hollywood Insider or some other trade magazine when I lived ther. I felt sorrow because he does make great Shakespeare movies.
I don’t know where you guys learned to count, but Lear is coming up as (at best) twelfth “most popular” in virtually every reference I’ve found. Most English professors will absolutely agree with the list I presented here.
Just because three of you decided to attempt to gang up on me doesn’t mean your arguments have any merits and I should give up. Forget it. It’s NEVER going to happen.
So, go away and find another list to bash on. I will not entertain any more comments from you three as it seems you offer nothing supportive or critical to the discussion anymore other than to bash on me.
To claim that Lear deserves the number one spot is completely insane. That’s fine that you three like it, but, propose your own lists next time and stop bashing on other’s.
BTW, Plummer has never played Lear for the cinema, he played Hamlet … in 1964!!!!!!! ON TV!!!!!!
It’s great that you three are passionate about this play. Most people in the world tend to disagree. I’m sorry if you three don’t like it, but you’re just wrong. Thanks for your comments.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:59 pm
I don’t know where you guys learned to count, but Lear is coming up as (at best) twelfth “most popular” in virtually every reference I’ve found. Most English professors will absolutely agree with the list I presented here.
Heroajax – therein lies the problem. You have a list titled “Greatest” but you are talking about “Popular”. And, for what it is worth, why should an English Lit professor care less about “popularity”?
And, by the way…I “learned to count” during my postgraduate Finance & Accounting studies.
Just because three of you decided to attempt to gang up on me
Now you are sounding like a blubbering, paranoid baby. Nobody is ganging up on you.
So, go away and find another list to bash on. I will not entertain any more comments from you three as it seems you offer nothing supportive or critical to the discussion anymore other than to bash on me.
Fuck you and your arrogance. Show me in my previous posts where I presented my opinions in anything other than a calm and considered manner.
Go ahead…I challenge you.
To claim that Lear deserves the number one spot is completely insane. That’s fine that you three like it, but, propose your own lists next time and stop bashing on other’s.
Again..fuck you. You write a list..it gets understandably criticized…so you squeal like a teenage girl. Be an adult and consider the views of those who disagree with you.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
With regards to cinematic presentations, I never said anything about this year; in addition to the BBC McKellen production you’re referring to, there’s also the Anthony Hopkins/Keira Knightley one that’s due to start filming in January, which is as big-budget-Hollywood-y as they come.
Here is something that boils down to a popularity list (of people who own, on which Lear comes up 6th. Similarly, the lengths of the Lear sections on Wikiquote and on this list of titles are really long, considerably more so than for a bunch of the plays you list (specifically, I looked at Taming of the Shrew, Caesar, and the two histories, which were the plays that, in my opinion, could best be omitted from your list).
I do not claim that Lear deserves the number one slot on a list like this; obviously there’s a massive degree of subjectivity in anything like this, and in fact my list would probably also be topped by Hamlet. I do think topping your list with Lear would have more sensible than leaving it off entirely.
And, unless you start behaving less dismissively towards anyone who disagrees with you, that’s my last word on the subject.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
Um, that should be “(of people who own the plays)”. Stupid multithreaded embedding.
July 14th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
Heroajax: Your intransigence does you no credit. You’re not being ganged up on, flower. What you have here are individual opinions that coincide to a greater or lesser extent & are different from your opinion.
If I’m one of the people you accuse of ‘bashing on’ your list please note that I complimented you on your list of epic poems a while back, & in my first comment here — #127 — I thanked you for an excellent list & expressed some surprise that ‘Lear’ wasn’t present. I assumed its absence was a matter of personal choice, which I have no problem with (despite knowing that every English faculty in the UK or America would put ‘Lear’ in the top 3).
What I do have a problem with is this notion that you cite objective reasons for one play’s superiority over another while being unable to provide anything to back this up except insubstantial criteria & increasingly hostile bluster.
And, again, who the hell are these other commenters you refer to? You can’t mean critics because I know for certain that critical opinion is massively against you. I’m not even sure what a commenter is, unless I’m being one now. But presumably your commenters are better informed & more numerous than the all the commenters hereabouts who disagree with you.
July 14th, 2008 at 7:47 pm
Heroajax, at no point have I indulged in ad hominem attacks on you – until now. All I did was disagree with your list’s exclusion of “King Lear”; however, you’ve overreacted badly, and thrown down the gauntlet.
What is your seeming obsession with Hollywood? Why do you care how many films have been made of Lear, or anything else? You worry me…have you actually seen a Shakespeare play in a live theatre, staged by a professional company?
As to ; that’s barely worthy of comment. I did a Google lookup of 10 Greatest Shakespeare plays, and EVERY response returned listed “King Lear” in the Top Ten [worldoreason (4), about.com(6), rateitall (9), etc.]. Try it yourself.
This is my first posting on any topic on Listverse. Frankly, I’m disappointed that a lister would be so antagonistic towards those who disagree. I hope my next experience is more enjoyable. Heroajax, you’re a poor scholar, and a poor sport.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:28 am
@Kiwiboi. Fuck you bitch. Personal attacks. Great. The last bastion of someone who has nothing more to add. Thanks for proving my point. I’m arrogant?! How arrogant are you to think you can demand I change my opinion and I’ll simply go along with it.
@Micah and Cunis. C’mon. That movie was announced just two weeks ago with confirmed castings. I’ve addressed repeatedly the objective/subjective argument. I think I actually addressed it to you both. Please read again.
@Studmuffin. You dropped the gauntlet first when you said, “Heroajax, it’s time to run up the white flag. “King Lear” would be a worthy number one for your list. To omit it entirely is ludicrous.” How insulting is that statement? Now you complain because I come out on top and be dismissive to people demanding I change my opinion? What did you expect? Do you honestly expect people to just roll over and take it because you say so? You’re disappointed about an antagonistic lister, how about my disappointment and offense at unrelenting comments about how wrong my list is? Now admittedly you came in a bit late, and perhaps I jumped the gun a bit lumping you in with dissenters, for that I appologize, but the bottom line is I stand by my list as is for the reasons I’ve repeatedly stated.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:52 am
@Kiwiboi. Fuck you bitch. Personal attacks. Great. The last bastion of someone who has nothing more to add. Thanks for proving my point. I’m arrogant?! How arrogant are you to think you can demand I change my opinion and I’ll simply go along with it.
Heroajax – firstly I see you have totally ignored the challenge I gave you in #183 (re my earlier comments). And now I see you are saying of me “you to think you can demand I change my opinion and I’ll simply go along with it.”
Show me where I even come close to demanding that you should change your opinion. You can’t because I didn’t.
You are obviously an intellectual poseur with no capacity to take criticism.
July 15th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
Oh fights again!!!
July 15th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Kiwiboi: Give it up mate. I have. It’s like arguing with a speak-your-weight machine.
One thing I wanted to say to you is that I noticed a lot earlier in this thread that we agreed on the importance of reading Shakespeare as compared to seeing the plays performed. I’d never go to see a play without having read it first, & in fact I’d rather read the plays than watch them. I’ve read most of the plays but only seen a handful performed. Quite apart from the fact that I often dislike the way the plays are interpreted on stage or screen, keeping pace with spoken Elizabethan poetry that’s dense with wordplay & allusions is a tough task. Reading, & understanding & savouring what you read, is preferable to me.
Moreover, in my view Shakespeare was a poet first & a dramatist second. He uses 2nd-hand plots full of highly theatrical contrivances as devices for manoeuvring his characters into situations where they can utter this astonishingly powerful poetry. The plays are often structurally flawed because his verbal exuberance is constantly making him go off on tangents. But who cares? It’s the words that count.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
Has everyone had a madcow burger for lunch?
Seriously?
This was a decent list. Not everyone agreed with the order, or with what was left out, but that happens with *EVERY* list. Why did this one get so nasty?
It’s not like anyone has invested their lives in the list. This isn’t a doctoral thesis on the works of Samuel Johnson, or a paper on the discovery of a new form of plant life in the Amazonian Rain forest getting readied for publication.
It’s a list of great Shakespearean plays according to the lists author!
Drat, people, get a grip!
Heroajax went to the time and trouble to put together a list.
You disagree with the order? Fine, that’s your right.
You think something else should have been included? Fine, make your own list.
I just don’t get all the vitriol…not just here, on any list. Isn’t this supposed to be somewhere to have casual debates (note the modifier “casual”), conversation, education, and a bit of fun?
Or did I miss a memo?
July 15th, 2008 at 3:37 pm
Yeah, see my post on the Greatest Rockers list.
It’s just breaking down into eBaumsworld antics. I’ve been here for a while because I was impressed at the level of intellectualism I found in the postings. Even when Randall shoved his fist down my throat for something, he didn’t attack my intelligence, my family, my cat, and my future grandchildren. (Wait, maybe he did…) It was a firm backhand, but nothing groping- that’s left for DiscHuker.
Now it’s just gone all wrong. Ah well, there are other sites to go to.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:09 pm
Are people seriously insulting each other and throwing the “f bomb” around in a SHAKESPEARE discussion? What the hell?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Hey – can we have some calm please? Thanks! Now, back to the merits of Shakespeare
July 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pm
#193 Cedestra
Very true- I think I can date it to the gay marriage “debate”. However, I think a few non-controversial “top” lists are just what the doctor ordered… Maybe “ten great beaches” or “five calming scenes”, or maybe “ten cute kitty pictures”.
Of course, someone will find something to pick on.
July 15th, 2008 at 11:49 pm
Kiwiboi: Give it up mate. I have. It’s like arguing with a speak-your-weight machine.
ciunas – I agree 100%. If this list had been titled “Most Popular S/peare Plays” then no problem; all that would be required would be to assess the validity of what the author has used as his criteria to determine “popularity”, and then take a view.
But to propound a list of “Top 10 Greatest S/peare’s Plays” and to not expect to get some heat is naive in the extreme; goes double when Lear is deliberately omitted.
Reading, & understanding & savouring what you read, is preferable to me.
Again, I’m with you on this one. Aside from not getting the time to attend stage presentations of S/peare’s works, for the most part I actually prefer to read them at my own leisure and at my own pace. Having said this, living in London, I should make more of an effort to attend live performances…
July 15th, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Hey – can we have some calm please? Thanks! Now, back to the merits of Shakespeare
jfrater – assuming that this is directed at me, I can only say that I was was being calm.
But, I’m sorry to say that, notwithstanding the particularly enticing title of this list and its owtherwise great potential, it’s content has little to do with the “merits of Shakespeare”; at least for those of us who are receptive to the opinions of others and whose opinions are not based on IMDB statistics…
July 16th, 2008 at 12:11 am
“King Lear is a tragedy by William Shakespeare, believed to have been written between 1603 and 1606, and is considered one of his greatest works.”
There you go! The mighty wikipedia has spoken! Who are us mere mortals to dispute this?
July 16th, 2008 at 12:24 am
This was a decent list.
segue – I can only assume that you have not bothered to read the list properly nor the ensuing comments; it is a very poor list that is nothing to do with the “greatest” plays of Shakespeare; at least by any valid criteria. I note, though, that you, yourself stated “There is not one, single, iota of a difference of opinion between Heroajax’s list and my own opinion of Shakespeare’s plays” (#134) so, at least I see where you stand on the list…
Heroajax went to the time and trouble to put together a list. You disagree with the order? Fine, that’s your right.
Not according to Heroajax; we are either “ganging up on him” or are told to go and “bash” someone else’s list if we disagree with him. His tolerance towards the views of others is also evident in his following remark : “Lear doesn’t make the list. Period. End of discussion for me.” (#182).
Moreover, his lack of any semblence of intellect is amply demonstrated throughout his own comments in this thread.
You think something else should have been included? Fine, make your own list.
That is a foolish statement. By definition it precludes the need for any comments – which are the main attraction of LV.
I just don’t get all the vitriol…not just here, on any list.
segue, I will resist any mention of “pot / kettle / black”…
Besides, there is no “vitriol”. In my opinion, I have identified a fool who thinks he can bully people out of disagreeing with his views; and I’ll call him on it again if he continues.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:52 am
Kiwiboi – pot (cool) kettle (how the fuck you supposed to smoke outta that) black (well someone succeeded in making it in to a bong)
sorry kiwiboi, slow day and could resist a poor pun, didnt know too muck about Shakespear until i read the list, made me think i should read more books.
July 16th, 2008 at 8:53 am
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200. kiwiboi
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kiwiboi: I made several HUGE errors in my post # 192. In fact, I made my first errors in my first post, #134, which should have added “…in the plays included in the list”.
Of course I have an entirely different “Greatest” list of Shakespearean plays.
And, yes, I’ve read every comment.
I’m not going to go into any explanations of why I just sort of emotionally snapped (quite inappropriately, too), but after re-reading the entire comments posts this a.m., all I can do is apologize.
Something I seem to be doing this week.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:14 am
Wow. Unbelievable. Kiwiboi just can’t simply shut the fuck up. Kiwiboi, you are the fucking fool. Not me. You can’t discuss the merits of the above plays with out running your stinking suck about how great you are. You are a complete moron. Shut up and stop typing on my list.
Your arguments lack any sort of rational criteria for comments of any sort on this list. You don’t know what you’re talking about. All you have is a play you love that was left off the list. That’s it. So, you’re personally insulted something you love didn’t make the cut. Cry me a river, you whining baby. I have repeatedly stated my criteria for my list. Go back and READ IT! You have clearly not read any of my stated criteia, you clearly have no clue as to what you’re talking about when it comes to literature of any sort and you clearly now don’t even care to do anything but personally attack me. I will not bend on my omission of “King Lear.” So, stop trying to get me to do so. As far as my taking criticism, I’m completely fine with that. What I won’t tolerate is personal attacks, which you have perpetuated from the instant you started typing comments on my list.
You want “[to call me on bullying people out of disagreeing?]” What the hell do you think you’re doing. You want to talk about the pot and the kettle? Go look in a mirror, because that’s exactly what you’re doing.
Your comments added nothing to the list and all you are doing now is simply repeating the same nonsensical argument over and over. I have a simple solution for you since you clearly don’t like the list I created. STOP COMMENTING ON IT!!!!!!! There, problem solved. When you have something new to offer, which I seriously doubt will occur, comment again. Until then, just shut up.
July 16th, 2008 at 9:38 am
Geez Heroajax, someone bitches about your list, and makes perfect sense I might add, and all you can come back with is ‘just shut up?’
Saying Kiwi has ‘no clue as to what you’re talking about when it comes to literature of any sort,’ is pretty weak given the argument and his previous postings.
Are you really that full of shit?
July 16th, 2008 at 11:13 am
Wow. Unbelievable. Kiwiboi just can’t simply shut the fuck up. Kiwiboi, you are the fucking fool. Not me. You can’t discuss the merits of the above plays with out running your stinking suck about how great you are. You are a complete moron.
Heorajax – LOL, I can almost see the veins on your neanderthal forehead throbbing while you post this nonsense.
Shut up and stop typing on my list.
“Your” list? It’s a published list you retard. And until you own Listverse, I have as much right as you do to post here. Read my comments above about your arrogance.
Your arguments lack any sort of rational criteria for comments of any sort on this list.
LOL…and yours do? Not on the evidence in front of me.
You don’t know what you’re talking about.
And you do? Muahahahahaha!
When you have something new to offer, which I seriously doubt will occur, comment again. Until then, just shut up.
See above..the comments about your arrogance. As long as you continue with your inanities I’m going nowhere you pathetic poseur
July 16th, 2008 at 11:14 am
buc – thanks for the voice of reason…but it still cuts no ice as far as my mom is concerned
July 16th, 2008 at 11:16 am
segue – no need to apologize…I know you well enough by now
July 16th, 2008 at 12:05 pm
Thank you so much for proving my point Kiwibitch. Take your arrogant ass elsewhere.
You haven’t posted anything of substance yet. All you want to do is tear down someone else’s work. Good call.
BTW, I’m not pissed, nor are any veins popping in my quite a bit more intelligent brain than yours. I’m just amazed you simply can’t shut the fuck up. Wow. Hey, prove me right again.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
Really bad fight going on here.. no one is talkin nice on Shakespeare’s poems and Plays!!!
May you should discontinue this list? and all be good
July 16th, 2008 at 12:23 pm
You haven’t posted anything of substance yet. All you want to do is tear down someone else’s work.
Heroajax – that all you’ve got, you mental midget? And, as I say…so long as you keep whining like a 12-year old girl…I’m going nowhere
As for criticising my earlier postings, you need to go back and read them. Better still, respond to the specific questions in my earlier postings. But you won’t…because you can’t.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
i sense tension here
as i’ve done on another list filled w/ anger
*passes around a plate full of nachos and sets down a ice filled bucket of long neck beers’
YEEHAW from Texas. chill out dudes! its just a freaking list.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:38 pm
I must admit Cyn, it frightens me that people are talking things so seriously. It was one thing when people spoke (I say spoke but I mean were pretty nasty) about the bible lists, but now it seems all people do is be offended and offend back. It’s sort of off putting really and as a big listverse fan I hope people will mellow down. Can’t we all just be civil and comment accordingly and on topic? I’m so sick of the damn name calling.
Where is the love?! Where??
Ah whats the use, no one cares.
July 16th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
taking* taking*!
July 16th, 2008 at 12:54 pm
WarningDontReadThis: I care, I care. Even when I’m being nasty I try to be polite. Must be the damn weather – it’s so damn hot everyone is steaming.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Yes!!!!!!! Thanks again for proving me right, Kiwibitch. You can’t do it can you? You can’t just simply shut up? Even after Jamie asked you nicely to do so. You couldn’t do it.
BTW, go back up and read the contribution credit to this list. That’s right, mine. JFrater was courteous enough to publish it. I created it. My list. Jamie owns the site.
As far as my posts of substance. You obviously did not read any comments I posted before your dumb ass started to run off at the mouth. All you have done is attack me and the list. Do you have anything new to add? Didn’t think so. You haven’t even presented a decent argument that warrants a discussion. You’re like one of those kiddy dolls that you pull the string, over and over and over and over again. It never says anything different. Just like you. All you have is your pathetic attempts to show you think you’re … well, I’d guess, to show you think you’re smarter than everyone else here. You’re not and now you’re just embarassing yourself. Too bad you don’t realize it.
@WarningDontReadThis … and really eveyone else here who has supported the list with decent discussion and appropriate comments. I’m truly sorry this argument with kiwibitch has gone on this long. As I said before, I will not tolerate a personal attack. Hopefully, this will be the last of the argument, but as kiwibitch has stated repeatedly “I’m not going anywhere,” unfortunately, I doubt it. On the other side, if anyone would actually like to discuss Shakespeare and this list, I’d be happy to do so.
Jamie, my personal appology for this continued argument.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Shakespere sucks!
July 16th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Yes!!!!!!! Thanks again for proving me right, Kiwibitch. You can’t do it can you? You can’t just simply shut up?
Heroajax – on your say so? Hahahahahaha!! Your wishes mean nothing to me.
You’re not and now you’re just embarassing yourself. Too bad you don’t realize it.
Try harder Hero. That ridiculous reasoning means nothing to me. You are a fool, and if you actually took the trouble to read the list comments properly yourself, you’d see why – then again…maybe not
BTW, go back up and read the contribution credit to this list. That’s right, mine. JFrater was courteous enough to publish it. I created it. My list. Jamie owns the site.
Huh? I know you wrote the list you idiot! But that doesn’t give you the right to banish those who criticize it. And as Jamie owns the site…who the fuck are you to tell me to stop commenting? ‘Tard.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:15 pm
speare! thats what I meant! I know how to spell.
Shakespeare sucks!
damn! I just can’t fool myself today.
They let me roam around outside of my cage today.
nice of them, but it’s a little off putting.
July 16th, 2008 at 1:38 pm
once more w/ feeling …..
http://listverse.com/comment-faq/
selected quotes:
‘At the List Universe we pride ourselves on polite and friendly comments’
‘We don’t have a limit on the size of comments, but we do ask that you condense what you want to say in to as few lines as possible. If you have to explain something very detailed, you should find a website with your explanation and post a link to that instead ..’
‘6. Can I carry on personal chats in the comments?
No – this becomes very tedious for other readers – please take it to the forums.’
‘8. How do I write a good comment?
You write a good comment by not insulting others, by not using CAPS LOCK, by not using repetitive punctuation, and by sticking to the argument if you don’t agree with someone. Remember, the minute you insult a person in a debate, you lose.’
okay, i tried diffusing tensions w/ humor so now i’ll quote the rules. remember, this is just a list not a bar room brawl.
because it bears repeating.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:11 pm
cyn – I will not take crap from this (or any other) fool without standing my ground. It’s as simple as that.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
kiwiboi or anyone else needing to ’stand their ground’
here’s a suggestion…for the sake of the site, for the sake of this community…exchange emails w/ the offending party and duke it out via email. simple enough to get a throw away email addy for free. post it in comments. then you or anyone needing to ’stand their ground’ can do so w/out inflicting it on the rest of the community here.
or
take it to forums.
and leave the commenting to be relevant to the topic at hand.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
Geez, I didn’t know you were having to deal with this in other comment sections Cyn. Does it always get this bad around here?
Sorry for that last comment but that guy is an ass, you have to at least agree with me on that.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:28 pm
cyn – there is no need to repeat yourself.
And, FWIW, my own position remains unchanged. I will not have comments directed at me without standing my ground.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:32 pm
B_Rad
i don’t have to agree w/ anyone about anything, my only concern is what is in the best interests of the site and this community. and the inference of your Predator comment was inappropriate and benefits no one.
as for Randall…*sigh*..Randall is well, Randall.
kiwiboi-
understood sir. i will reiterate my concern for the best interests of the site and community.
July 16th, 2008 at 2:38 pm
Thanq Cyn… I hope when I come back tomorrow to read this list.. i won’t see any fightings…its upsets most of them!!!
July 16th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
maybe you guys should further discuss this in the forums.
not the face! not the face!
For comments about more modern playwriters comparable to B.S.(ole billy s-that is) I thought of Tennessee Williams .
“Is that bill shakespeare over there? i cant see to well…because i live in a van down by the river!”
Watch the face!
July 16th, 2008 at 2:55 pm
cyn – notwithstanding my “connection” with LV, I do not expect to be treated any differently than anybody else. So I’m sorry if you feel that you are in an awkward situation due to my more recent “contribution” to this list. I appreciate that you have a difficult job to do and that you are looking out for the site.
Anyways…I’m leaving for Rome in a few hours, so perhaps I’ll save my inherent vitriol for when I get back next week.
Then again, I am taking my laptop with me…
July 16th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
kiwiboi -
oh, i’m an equal opportunity bitch regardless if author, commenter or ‘connected’
there are times when awkward situations can be quite interesting
as for Rome -
spent a summer there as an art history student in ‘75. lovely, lovely city. enjoy!
July 16th, 2008 at 3:04 pm
i’m an equal opportunity bitch regardless
cyn – good for you. And, rest assured…I’ll enjoy
July 16th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Geez, you make it sound like I’m some deviant and you don’t want to be associated with any of my comments even though my comments were all rational. (at least I think so, well, except maybe the last one). Half of what was said in there doesn’t benefit anyone or anything. In my defense, that comment was no where near as innappropriate as some of the other comments in there and it was in no way the worst.
As for my contribution to this list, I would really like to see the film version of Hamlet with Arnold Schwarzeneggar like the trailer we see in Last Action Hero.
“To be, or not to be…not to be.”
July 16th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
B_Rad -
methinks thee perhaps protests too much, so i take my leave of thee.
time i retreated to my usual lair.
play nice!
tah!
July 16th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
BTW, before anyone says anything, I apologize for my last comment about DiscHuker. I got you confused with bucslim, somehow, and his ongoing, good-natured jab-fest with Randall. I really shouldn’t be trying to cash-in on that, anyway. It’s a joke between those two parties.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
Cyn, thank you very much for shutting him up. Once again I apologize for how long this argument went on, but I hope you understand I wasn’t going to tolerate personal attacks from some ignorant little prick.
Thanks.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Heroajax -
oh..i shut no one up. i doubt you’ve heard the last from him.
and you two seem very much ‘birds of a feather’ for your need to not tolerate what you see as personal attacks.
i’ll not be getting between you two again.
July 16th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
alas, i dont partake in the parfey
completely ignored, the ignoble -offstage -reader of lisps
Bill of Tenn
you female hand with fan and southern lonely waiting
July 16th, 2008 at 6:21 pm
aw jeez
parfey? no..
Parfay! !
July 16th, 2008 at 6:27 pm
aw tripple jeez with whip cream!
Parfay?
no no
Parfait!
good way to de-flea. to neutralize
July 17th, 2008 at 6:04 am
Well.
Seems like it didn’t work.
July 17th, 2008 at 6:39 am
Heroajax/Kiwiboi: You two need a time-out. Go to separate corners, else I’ll be forced to take out the mom-stick. For beating you both about the face and neck in case you were wondering.
Heroajax you took the first criticism by Kiwiboi far too personally and did in fact have a ‘bit’ of a hissy. Honest to god no one was picking on you. Heroajax your continuing to refer to Kiwiboi in conversation as Kiwi-bitch is hugely inappropriate, and even more so after you accused him of personal attacks. You do in fact either need a smack for it, or you need to apologize.
Kiwiboi you over-reacted when you pointed out he was having a hissy, not by talking about the suck-fit but by the last line of your comment. “Again..fuck you. You write a list..it gets understandably criticized…so you squeal like a teenage girl. Be an adult and consider the views of those who disagree with you.” Maybe touching on the truth but unnecessarily insulting. And it went down-hill from there. You neglected to realize the proprietary feeling folks have for their hard work; they defend their work the same way they would their kid. You could have said – whoa fella, I appreciate the hard work, I just don’t agree with the reasoning – you could have defused the situation and chose not to.
In defense of Kiwi-boi, even in the most spirited debates I have never had to resort to the mom-stick before. Even when reducing folks to a quivering mass of humiliation I have never seen this level of vitriol. And I do believe I was paying attention.
ps: Heroajax – Kiwiboi is not ignorant, in fact quite the opposite. He is a learned opponent. Well educated and well rounded – don’t make that mistake again. Rude occasionally but not ignorant.
July 17th, 2008 at 9:59 am
King Lear was good too.
July 17th, 2008 at 11:30 pm
Interesting list. Remarkable contrast of language between several commentators and that of the subject matter. Someone briefly mentioned good Will’s extraordinary ability to address the world in so many styles. Looks like he missed out on one or two above. I have a suspicion he himself would have managed to conduct his side of any spats with such brilliant turns of phrase we would have been longing for them to continue indefinitely. Imagine that: Shakespeare posting on the internet! On the other hand it would perhaps have been yet more fun to have turned Alexander Pope loose on some of you fellows.
When it came out, I gave this site a rain check to catch up on a few priorities in my life and keep up on other lists. I only came over because astraya mentioned King Lear on another site today, and I wanted to see what all the fuss was about. (Sighs) Well, by adding my twopenn’orth in favour of Lear, I suppose I risk accusation by Heroajax of joining the gang (will that now make it a gang of four? Or will he simply accuse me of hectoring him?). My dear mum acted the role of Lear (at her girls’ school), and used to quote great florid, impassioned chunks at me, so what can you expect? Seriously, I do indeed consider it to be one of the greats.
On a purely personal note, we did ‘Jake Eyes ‘Er’ in the lower school and ‘Ant and Cleo’ in the last years. I have to say we had a lot more fun with the latter, and certainly got more out of it in schoolwork analyses. How could spotty herberts go wrong with Cleopatra? But I suppose anyway one could hardly fail to be grateful for the amalgamation of the two plays as ‘Carry on Cleo’, given Kenneth Williams’s immortal line as the dying Caesar, “Oh infamy, infamy, they’ve all got it in fer me.”!
Interesting how ‘Henry V’ (ultimate hero) and Richard III (ultimate villain), rise up above all that mass of ‘Kings’.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:28 am
Spanner in the Works – spotted herbert = zit faced youngster?
Funny little factoid; My Daddy’s name is Herbert, and horror of horrors it is also a family name. My great-grandfather (maybe before that even) on down. My mother hates the name therefore my brother’s birth certificate states his name as Andrew H. R*****. Mom won that one!
July 18th, 2008 at 8:08 am
Shakespeare’s plays, *anybodies* plays, are always better (that is, more understandable…more in context) acted rather than read.
This being said,studying a play *must* be done through the reading of the play. Word play (puns), historical references, great, long soliloquies full of philosophical questions, have to be read and taught, before understanding can take place.
In Shakespeare’s time, the references were commonplace, everyday (to the educated, and some of it even to the “great unwashed”), hence, understandable.
I can’t think of a single author worth seeing produced, whose play mustn’t be studied carefully beforehand ( in no particular order ):
Tom Stoppard
Anton Chekhov
William Inge
Edward Albee
Tennessee Williams
William Faulkner ( I know he’s he’s a difficult read, but *SO* worth it!)
and so on and on…
When my daughter was having her weekly Shakespearean Play night, out on our enormous veranda, I wondered, at first, what the neighbors close enough to hear must think.
Then one day, our across the street neighbor stopped me as I was leaving for a job, “Do you know,” he said,” the neighborhood gets out garden chairs, and gathers at my house every week to listen to Shakespeare. It’s beautiful.”
I guess everyone was learning something something.
July 18th, 2008 at 9:57 am
these are the greatest list comments I’ve ever seen
I love all of you
July 18th, 2008 at 3:00 pm
segue,
What less civilised and intelligent comments would we expect of you?
When I was still young, and told I must respect the opinions of my elders and betters, one of my weighty elders and betters informed me that he couldn’t stand things being ‘analysed’ because it “destroyed spontaneous enjoyment”. It so happens he and I were considering musical scores, quartets and the like: but our discussion also moved into the appreciation of plants not merely as abstract pretty-pretties, but also as fascinating adaptations to their environment, and as evolutionary marvels. Obviously the same principles under consideration applied implicitly to the textual study of literature such as Shakespeare plays as well.
The truth is, of course, that it is perfectly possible to get a vast amount out of a ‘Razumovsky’ by Beethoven or Henry V from no more than a direct performance, and that is indeed what most people do. Flowers are an absolute joy simply to allow to trickle sensually onto one’s visual receptors and along to the bit of the brain reserved for aesthetics. Few have the time, knowledge, ability, patience or inclination to study botany, scores or play-texts.
However, a deeper study of anything is the only road to a wider, more profound and subtle awareness: and by wider I not only mean wider knowledge of the work (or plant) in question, but its entire context, albet literary, musical or environmental. It also ensures that repetition does not become a mere species of mind-numbed drug or ‘comfort blanket’, which is a considerable danger when experiences are absorbed superficially. But of course, I had the ready quote set up by the man himself and awaiting minimal modification: that “…custom does not stale its infinite variety”. What a man!
July 18th, 2008 at 3:01 pm
segue,
I forgot to add, Anita sends her love.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:50 pm
****
245. Spanner
When I was still young, and told I must respect the opinions of my elders and betters, one of my weighty elders and betters informed me that he couldn’t stand things being ‘analysed’ because it “destroyed spontaneous enjoyment”
** I have always been of the mind-set that being well informed gave spontaneous enjoyment a leg up. As per my example above. Or by being able to identify a Georgia O’Keefe painting as labellum, rather than labia…makes rather a difference!
“…custom does not stale its infinite variety”. What a man!
** Hear, hear!
****
246. Spanner
Anita sends her love.
****
And mine back to her.
Jack and I would so love to see Chile! There would be much to consider, though, as I require both a BiPAP and an Oxygen concentrator for sleep…otherwise I might not wake. That being said, I do insist that somehow I will, someday, see Chile, see Patagonia, Galapagos, and so much more.
There is a wonderful writer, Dianne Ackerman, whose first book I read was A Natural History of the Senses. It enthralled me. I immediately bought as many of her books as I could find. The one I loved the most, as it turned out, was The Rarest of the Rare, about creatures hovering on the brink of extinction. Much of the book takes place in Patagonia. I urge Anita to find her books. They are almost songs to the heart.
July 19th, 2008 at 10:52 am
Mom424 (242!),
I got it over on the other site. Zits it is.
Herbert doesn’t strike me as being out of the ordinary, either as a Christian or surname. There are plenty of admirable, well-known Herberts. Just feed the name as Herbert Wikipedia into Google and see. Then there’s Herbie the Volkswagen.
Herbert is one of those names like John and Arthur that serve as both first and surnames. I once set about building a chain of them, based on verifiable public people from all walks, which I figured might qualify for the Guinness Book of Records if I got far enough. Jean Arthur Benjamin and so on. I may be obsessive, but not that obsessive, and I soon got bored.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 am
Heroajax: thanks for an interesting post, one that has provoked a fascinating discussion. I just wanted to respond to what you said in comment 58 about the virtues of watching the plays versus reading them. I agree with you that Shakespeare obviously meant for the plays to be watched, but you seem so adamant about the futility of reading the plays unless you are a Shakespeare scholar. I just recently started getting into Shakespeare and I think there are numerous rewards to be reaped from reading the plays. On a more practical level, I think there are reasons for Shakespeare novices to begin by reading the plays. The language is difficult, and I’ve often had difficulty following performances when I didn’t have some passing acquaintance with the plot of the story. Reading editions of the plays with notes and translations is a perfect way to get that acquaintance, and having that knowledge beforehand will make the viewing experience more rewarding. Finally, for those of us who live outside large cities that are home to numerous Shakespeare troupes, the options for watching his plays are not always so ample. If I want to experience some of his less famous plays, like Troilus and Cressida, I’m probably going to be waiting a very long time before there is a live performance anywhere within driving distance. So, while you are of course correct that watching the plays is essential to fully experiencing Shakespeare, I think you discount the value of reading the plays far too much.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:37 am
Brandon, thanks for your remarks. Perhaps I was a bit too strong in my phrasing of that remark. What I’m trying to express is simply that plays, unlike novels, are meant to be watched. Novels are meant to be read. I completely agree with your assessment about reading a play and it certainly can help if you are unfamiliar with the basic plot line. What you don’t get from reading a play, especially Bill’s plays, because of the poetic language, is some of the inflections, inuendo and subtleties of the language. Sometimes even the footnotes don’t completely express all the rather bawdy humor in Shakespeare’s plays. There’s a lot of it. Here’s an example that most footnotes don’t even cover from Hamlet. Hamlet is talking to Polonious when he is asked if he knows who Polonious is. Hamelt responds with something like “Aye, you are a fishmonger.” Most people take that simply as a sign that Hamlet is simply a nutball and is trying to call Polonious a name. What Hamlet is actually saying is that Polonious is a whoremonger or a pimp of his daughter Ophelia (who recently broke off her relationship with Hamlet). Why? Because when women don’t clean properly they begin to smell like … ? That’s right.
Most people won’t even get that from reading it because Polonious’ next line indicates even he didn’t get the dig at him and his daughter. Productions of Hamlet (when people know their Shakespeare) typically show Hamlet making some sort of lewd hip gesture to emphasize the point for the audience. How would you get that from reading? Most footnotes I’ve seen don’t cover that point for a reader. At least none that I’ve read.
Far too often, English teachers insist their students read something that’s meant to be watched. Why? Because many of them are English scholars. They study Shakespeare (and other playwrites) and think that’s the only to learn about Shakespeare. Not all Engilsh teachers, but a lot of them. IMHO, that’s completely wrong. So, essentially what I’m getting at is simply that if you just want to experience these great works, then watch them. If you’re looking for a greater understanding, then have a read. It’s too bad that not all of his plays are produced and I agree that in the absence of performances, hey, by all means, read away. Better to get that experience than none at all, imo.
As far as your personal experiences. I would suggest that if you’re having difficulty following a live/cinematic production of a Shakespeare play, then perhaps the actors/director don’t know what they’re doing? Yes, it does happen, more often than you think too.
I have seen fantastic performances of R&J. However, the last one I did manage to see, I almost walked out of. The two principle actors were horrible, they didn’t have a clue as to what they were saying, there was no pacing of their speech and they were just basically trying to spew the lines out as fast as they could. There’s no problem with a fast delivery (Claire Danes and Leo DiCaprio were perfect) but, not when you don’t know what you’re saying.
So, I don’t want you or anyone else to think I’m discounting the value of reading a play at all. Shakespeare or anyone else for that matter. I’m simply saying that watching is a lot better than reading because that’s how it’s supposed to be experienced. The medium of a play is a stage and actors, not a book and paper.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pm
I think both Brandon and Heroajax have valid arguments, but may I just point out something that has been going on in Opera forever?
One prereads, and takes with one to the performance, the libretto, the play!
Okay, sure, you’re saying, they’re in another language.
For those not well-versed in Shakespeare, his plays might as well be in another language (which you, Heroajax, yourself, pointed out…thank you).
I don’t think taking a copy of the play along is a good idea, there is really a lot of body language at work in Shakespeare’s plays, which must not be missed, but being as familiar as possible with the plays themselves can only broaden ones mind, even if one never gets the chance to see the play performed.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:18 pm
Heroajax, thanks for your reply. After I made my initial post, I went back and perused through some of the comments following the one of yours that I was responding to. I see that the subject I raised in my comment has already been covered quite extensively – hopefully I was a bit more polite in my criticism than some were
August 5th, 2008 at 9:13 pm
@Brandon. Ha Ha. Definitely
. I’m not at all surprised you missed the initial discussion regarding that point and how I feel.
@Segue. Also a valid point as well.
August 14th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
Is it me or does #6 look like Pauly Shore?
August 15th, 2008 at 2:30 am
Lear is one of his greatest plays, that’s for sure. However, Heroajax makes a valid point that people are over doing it. Lear would not be in the top 3, most teachers and scholars would put it in the top 5.My biggest issue is that the merchant of venice is not on the list. To say it is not popular or great is asinine. The term “pound of flesh”, the phrase “If you prick us, do we not bleed?” as well as the famous line “the quality of mercy is not strain’d”. THis play is considered, by almost everyone (some prefer midsummer) to be jis greatest comedy, and the impact clearly accounts for popularity. I am not biased, either. I have played in my life… Shylock, Petruchio, Bottom, Macbeth, Hamlet, Romeo, and, yes, Lady Olivia. But, do give Heroajax some relief, because all that he put on his list are good, popular plays with much merit. However, I do think that Lear, and especially the merchant of venice, should be on the list. But, I extent my sympathies, because it could be very hard to figure out what to take out.
August 22nd, 2008 at 10:20 am
Great Shakespeare play not mention ed here: King Henry IV.
Contains Falstaff, Prince Hal (young Henry V) and Hotspur! (Not to mention King Henry IV himself, who I once played.)
Twelfth Night is also a greart play.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm
My top 20…
20. Much ado about nothing
19. A Midsummer Night’s dream
18. Antony and Cleopatra
17. Richard II
16. The taming of the shrew
15. Twelfth Night
14. As You Like it
13. King John
12. The tempest
11. The winter’s tale
10. Julius Ceasar
9. King Henry IV, part I
8. Henry V
7. Richard III
6. Othello
5. Macbeth
4. King Lear
3. The Merchant of Venice
2. Hamlet
1. Romeo and Juliet
Calle number 1 cliche, but, Hamlet is better in almost all regards, but, Romeo and Juliet really makes full use of the beautiful language shakespeare uses, that no other play seems to do as well.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:14 pm
257. greg , I like your list, but I have a thought, a sort of addendum.
Any Shakespearean play can be the greatest at any given time depending on the company presenting it. I have seen a performance of ‘A Midsummer Night’s Dream’ which absolutely melted me, and a performance of ‘The Merchant of Venice’ which left me yawning (and Merchant is one of my favorites…oh, drat, all of them are I guess). Point being, much of how wonderful a given play is, depends on who is performing it.
August 28th, 2008 at 11:38 am
Segue, understandable. You are correct, however, you are not understanding how I am judging my plays. Generally, I am judging them on their merit in literature, not on the stage. It’s hard to do both, because a play that works very well on the stage is cymbeline, and ANtony and cleopatra, but, a person would never be caught dead doing King John or most likely Richard III. So, i’m trying my hardest to judge souly based on how much I liked them, and the general merit of the play when one sits down to read it. I hope you will give me a list of your own, using literary merit alone.
August 28th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
as a matter of fact, the main reason why I judge them souly based on the literary merit is because of your reason.
August 28th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
259. greg…I hope you will give me a list of your own, using literary merit alone.
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Oh my! In order to do so with complete honesty, I’d have to reread all of Shakespeare’s plays, something I simply haven’t the time for right now.
While I know them all, almost by heart, it’s been years since I’ve given them a good, deep, read through…and if I started on the plays I’d get hooked and have to reread all of the sonnets, too.
Since you’ve gotten the idea planted in my brain, I can promise you that I’ll be rereading those plays at the first opportunity. It just won’t be that soon.
August 28th, 2008 at 9:00 pm
I’d still like, if you can give me, some kind of list from you. Just, do it based on what plays are your favorite, as opposed to the specifics. =)
September 23rd, 2008 at 12:06 pm
I Am only ten but Ilove books.

reading is a great way of blocking out my problems at home
I thiunk shakespere Was a brilliant bloke LOL
I Would LOVE too be him
From ally aged 10
sept. 2008
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September 23rd, 2008 at 12:44 pm
Reading is the best way to educate yourself, not just block out problems ( though it does a good job of that, too).
Read everything. Read every day. I own hundreds of books, all of which I’ve read already, so I’m always buying more!
I don’t care if you’re 10 or 20 or 40 or 80, reading will teach you something new. Reading will open new doors, new vistas, new worlds.
When I was 12 I read the entire Encyclopedia Britannica (I don’t think people have encyclopedias any longer), and it taught me about things I had never imagined could possibly exist!
Just keep reading. In addition to books, read the newspaper daily. You’ll learn about the workings of government, the world, economics, you’ll be the smartest kid in school.
September 23rd, 2008 at 1:06 pm
@Ally. Keep reading. It’s awesome. I completely agree with Segue. Just be careful to make sure you keep good friendships as well. Don’t close off people for books. At least not completely.
October 15th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
does any one know what queen elizabeth the first favourite shake spere play? and why?
thanx?
October 15th, 2008 at 11:50 pm
i am going to refrase that. does anybody know what elizabeth the 1sT favourite shakespear play was? and why
thanx
November 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pm
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November 5th, 2008 at 5:29 pm
huh?
November 30th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
Hamlet is definetly what i exspected greatlist.
December 18th, 2008 at 10:56 pm
I never could get into Shakespeare. But last year I visited Dublin and saw a live performance of Romeo And Juliet, absolutely breathtaking. They force you to read the plays in school, but without a doubt I think the plays are just meant to be seen
December 24th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Out of curiosity, where is the Hamlet image from?
December 26th, 2008 at 9:10 pm
Nevermind, I think its Henry Fuseli.
January 9th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
this being my personal opinion i would have to say that Romeo and Juliet should not be number 2. It should most definately be number 1. It is just simply amazing!
January 11th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Hmmmm….. I really, really think King Lear should be in the top three, if not number one (in my opinion, of course).
Also, where is “As You Like It” and “The Tempest”???
February 6th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Erm..I wouldn’t rank Romeo and Juliet so high. It’s only a romantic piece when looked at casually-up close, its the story of a couple of horny, rebellious teenagers trying to get it on.
February 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
@Ella, well, clearly you don’t belive in love at first sight.
I wouldn’t consider the willingness to die for the one you love to be “horny, rebellious teenagers.” I feel they are truly in love and meant to be together.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
omg these plays totally rock.!
March 24th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Where is Lear?
March 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am
279. Christopher Borne: Where is Lear?
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In her jet.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Lear? Come on…
April 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Thank you for included Richard III. That has to be Shakespeare’s single most underrated play. It’s not often you see someone giving it credit as one of Shakespeare’s best, which I certainly think it is.
It might technically be a History play, but it fits into all the conventions of a Tragedy so it could really be classified as either.
PS Speaking of underrated works of Shakespeare, anyone else think that Measure for Measure at least deserves a mention?
May 17th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I appreciate that you stuck out your neck by disagreeing with the experts on which plays were Shakespheare’s greates plays. It appears among the critics that King Lear, Hamlet, McBeth and Othello are Shakespeare’s four great tragedies. I personally liked King Lear the best and my theater professor dropped Othello off of his list and named the other three as Shakespeare’s great tragedies.
The experts also seem to believe that Twelfth Night, As You Like It, and Much Ado About Nothing as Shakespeare’s greatest comedies. According to my high school Shakespeare textbook, Much Ado About Nothing could have been ranked hands down as the best, but its controversial ending keeps it from being at the top of the list. The textbook also stated that The Tempest was probably Shakespeare’s greatest literary work of all even though it was not a great play to see on stage. I disagree with the textbook there.
May 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 am
Well
Yr 10 in SYd Aus
Have studied missummer, henry V and Macbeth with an exam on Macbth in 2 days
Dont film study of R+J (LUHRMAN, btw is mad) and seen richard 3 which is absoultely crap, shit and shit
what are the other rando plays about: much ado about nothing etc
June 8th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
i wish shakespeare was my man:]
June 25th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Generally a good list, but where is King Lear?! Lear is surely Shakespeare’s best tragedy after Hamlet (and i would argue, as a play rather than a piece of written literature, better than Hamlet).
Romeo and Juliet seems a little too highly ranked. It has a fantastic plot…but the plot outshines the actual details of the play. Hamlet, Lear, Macbeth and Othello are the Big Four Shakespeare tragedies.
I also think Much Ado About Nothing should have made the top ten.
July 5th, 2009 at 11:19 am
the Lion King is an adaptation of Hamlet, if anyone didn’t know this yet.