Few things are more gratifying to the creatively competitive than hoodwinking one’s fellow humans. Coupling a desire for fame with a mischievous streak can spell great entertainment for one person, and vast cultural adaptation for the rest of us.
Whenever a hoax is proven to be a hoax, not everyone listens. Some believers remain believers for the rest of their lives, no matter how unlikely their claims. The indellible cultural watermark created by hoaxing is exemplified in the ten most famous UFO hoaxes of the last few decades.
Shermer, the editor of Skeptic magazine, released a short video last year detailing his investigation of how easy it is to fake UFO photos. He had children ‘make’ UFOs using household materials, glue, and silver paint, then had the children photograph their creations hanging from fishing line against a backdrop of gray sky.
The pictures didn’t look tampered with to a professional photography analyst – he couldn’t see the fishing line, and the images were not smudged.
When Shermer showed the photos to the public at a sidewalk booth, some were skeptical, and some believed. When he showed them that the pictures were hoaxed, almost everyone seemed disappointed at the fact, and many claimed determinedly and defiantly to believe in UFOs nonetheless, as though accepting evidence would show personal weakness.
In the nineteen fifties and sixties came the American cultural trend not only of flying saucer sightings, but of reported meet-and-greets with their occupants. The mass hoax spread across the nation as people grappled for a stint in the spotlight. Some would dress up strangely, posing for photographs or gently harassing acquaintances. At least one man (named R. E. Harrison II), took photographs of an image on a television screen, claiming it to be an alien at the door!
A more scandalous, and gruesome, example of alien body hoaxery can be found in Ray Santilli’s black-and-white Alien Autopsy footage, in which a creepy-looking, hairless humanoid, with large eyes and a large head, is shown on a table, partially decomposed. The footage was released in the nineties, and received a great deal of attention. Santilli disappointed believers in 2006 by admitting the footage to be fake. At least he tried to let us all down easy – he claimed the footage not to be totally fake, exactly, but a reconstruction of an alien autopsy that did take place. Either way, the depicted creature wasn’t a real alien, and since Santilli didn’t admit this upon release, the footage can be considered a hoax.
The most famous of these papers are The National Enquirer, The Globe, and the craziest of all: the Weekly World News. These magazines have hoaxed more hoaxes than any hoaxer should hope to hoax, and the redundancy is fully intended to help this point sink in. Fortunately for the levelheaded public, hardly anyone is roped in by scandals titled like these: “Alien Bible Translated,” “Russians Shoot Down UFO,” “Two-Ton Alien Hairball Found in Australia,” “Aliens stole my face,” “UFO Sparks Killer Forest Fire,” and “Japanese Woman to Wed Space Alien.”
Have aliens been using the moon as a garbage dump? Are they warring with a clan of bigfoots (bigfeet)? How exactly can exorcism affect UFOs? Who the heck is P’Lodd, and why is he fraternizing with the Clintons? Doubtless someone, somewhere, has been tricked into believing at least some of this crazy stuff. Thus, these tall-tale-telling-tabloids are officially hoaxers. Even if most of those who purchase tabloids do it for entertainment value alone, the magazines themselves stand by the alleged truth of their stories.
For Halloween in 1938, Orson Welles directed a radio play inspired by H. G. Wells’s ‘War of the Worlds,’ the classic story of violent alien invasion. The night it aired over the CBS radio network is one that many never forgot. It was an amazing performance – so amazing, in fact, that people took to the streets, fleeing their homes for their lives. The air of tension created by the second world war gets only some of the credit for the uproar, in which nearly two million people were convinced that ‘War of the Worlds’ was a news broadcast, rather than a work of fiction.
Although this example of human gullibility almost doesn’t count as a hoax – after all, the station did warn repeatedly that the story was fictional, it’s just that people missed it while channel-surfing – the sheer immense number of fooled and panicked people makes its inclusion here necessary.
What can be more hoaxy than a cult? Cult leaders are known to be more charismatic than the average fellow, convincing followers to believe (and do) the extraordinary for no real good reason. Such an ability was demonstrated by Heaven’s Gate’s leader, the white-haired and eccentric-looking Marshall Applewhite, and his wife, Bonnie Nettles.
Known by followers as ‘Ti and Do,’ the pair convinced thirty-eight people to commit suicide simultaneously, so that their souls could hitch a ride in the an alien spaceship coasting behind the Hale Bopp comet as it came into Earth’s view. Needless to say, the comet-following UFO never existed – or at least, was never actually observed.
With the advent of easily accessible, high-quality 3D-rendering computer software, the general public has taken UFO fakery to a new level. UFO sightings, with convincingly detailed video evidence, have appeared to explode through Britain, the United States, and especially Haiti. The Haiti UFO footage, popular on youtube and said to have been filmed in August of 2007, depicts several close-up views of mechanized, lit saucers. A woman gasps as the crafts fly directly overhead and then into the distance between two palm trees.
It is upon closer inspection of the palm trees that the video is proven likely to be a hoax: every palm tree in the video is exactly the same. Not only were the spacecrafts created by 3D-rendering software, but the entire video, including the backdrop, foreground and awkward camera work, is fabricated. The creator of the video, known online as “Barzolff81,” has publicly stated that he used a program called “View 6 Infinite” to fabricate the footage for fun.
According to the United States government, a top-secret weather balloon crashed in Roswell, New Mexico, in July of 1947. Officials whisked away the materials after civilians discovered them, presenting them for news coverage later on. What was shown by the news was doubtless a weather balloon; however, eyewitnesses claimed that what crashed was something altogether different: an alien spacecraft.
Rumor has it that the spacecraft and its dead occupants were transported to Area 51, a top secret military base in Nevada, for storage and experimentation. The movie ‘Independence Day’ capitalized on this idea, as have many science fiction television shows and books.
The government would have reasons to keep all this quiet, and the Roswell tourist industry has reason to keep people believing. The complicated controversy surrounding this whole ordeal makes one thing clear: while we might not be able to surely say who, someone is definitely faking it.
As the Roswell controversy hit the news, kid pranksters everywhere got hungry for a piece of the action. Armed with cameras, they hurled anything disk-like, from hubcaps to pie plates to saucers, into the sky, faking photos by the dozens. Through a camera lens, an old button on the ground can look like a crashed UFO. Some photos can’t be proven fake: the film is untampered with, and the graininess of the photos themselves prevents even the experts from obtaining definitive answers as to just what is depicted.
While Fox Mulder’s “I Want To Believe” poster is likely a picture of someone’s thrown hat, we’ll never be able to ‘know’ for sure. What we do know for sure, though, is that in the forties, a lot of kids stole mom’s good silver to aid in an afternoon’s mischief, and continue to occasionally do so today. The rest is a matter of likelihood.
Urbanites and rural-dwellers alike are familiar with the crop circle, of English origin. A couple Englishmen took some planks, some rope, and some measurements to a field in 1975, and after a few separate tries, convinced the locals that something wholly unnatural was bending their crops into pretty shapes.
Without a human confession, it was only natural for curious folk to link the big, mysterious, and complex patterns with those big, mysterious, complex UFOs people claimed to see flitting about once in a while. By the time the original human circle makers admitted to their vandalism in 1996, hardly anyone listened. It didn’t matter if crop circles could be easily created with common tools, or that a few people showed exactly how it was done: enthusiasts were determined in their convictions, and continue, despite numerous debunkings, to believe that crop circles are of extraterrestrial origin, even today.
Scientology is the biggest alien fraud of them all. Using the pressuring technique of lie detection (via “e-meter”), the guided reliving of traumatic experiences, and the dangling carrot of the “next level,” L. Ron Hubbard, a famous but mediocre science fiction writer, schemed to take advantage of the bank accounts of the vulnerable by offering them spiritual salvation. Scientology’s followers call it a religion. Everyone else calls it a destructive, dangerous cult.
What does it have to do with aliens, though? Therein lies the cincher: once Scientology inductees have grown brainwashed and vulnerable enough to reach a high level of devotion (OT level 7), they are told of the story of Xenu, which was leaked to the public a few years ago. Many are familiar: Xenu was an intergalactic warlord who, billions of years ago, schemed to commit otherworldy genocide. An entire alien species was dumped into a volcano on Earth, and their ghosts were then shown ‘movies’ of suffering, war, and human religion. These ghosts became thetans, and thetans are what human souls are made of. They cause all human ills. They cling to our subconscious in their misery and confusion, transferring all their problems to us. Scientology, of course, seeks to solve the thetan problem.
Some say Scientologists have retired the story, but the fact remains that this Weekly-World-News-friendly tale was used for decades by the greedy to strengthen the devotion of weary followers. Scientology is now worth millions of dollars due in part to this back story, making it the most successful and fraudulent UFO hoax ever conducted.
Contributor: Currie Jean



















February 17th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Anyway good list. I’ve always loved this ET stuff. Plus calling Scientology the biggest ufo hoax ever made me grin from ear to ear.
Excellent job, sir.
February 17th, 2009 at 1:48 am
U can’t really convince ppl that this stuff is bogus, molders poster was simply right, we want to beleive
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February 17th, 2009 at 1:48 am
typos suck!
February 17th, 2009 at 1:48 am
Always loved the stories about the corn circles and Roswell, but could never understand why such a superior race as aliens will not make contact with our mere earthlings. What are they waiting for? Playing mindgames with us? If they came to help us, now is the time. If they came to take over the world, why wait so long?
February 17th, 2009 at 1:53 am
I think aliens are humans from the future who discovered time travel…
February 17th, 2009 at 1:54 am
or probably they plan to unite with earthlings.,haha
February 17th, 2009 at 1:54 am
scientology is not a ufo hoax
February 17th, 2009 at 1:56 am
I love how Scientology is number one, though extraterrestrial being hoax would be more fitting.
February 17th, 2009 at 1:59 am
It’s amazing what people are willing to believe in, isn’t it?
But I suppose people want to also believe that we’re not just random in this universe…
February 17th, 2009 at 2:08 am
#4 Isobel:
Have you tried talking with an ant colony before? You haven’t!?! What are you waiting for.
Either that, or they just don’t exist.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:15 am
scientology?? as in, tom cruises?? bleach..
February 17th, 2009 at 2:17 am
tom cruise* (oopss.)
February 17th, 2009 at 2:20 am
Im sorry but I must say this is the most disorganized list ever. There doesnt seem to be any real focus on this list, besides a loose alien connotation. This should be called top 10 famous extraterrestrial types, or something of the sort.
For one, the alien autopsy is not an “unidentified flying object”.
Heavens gate? then scientology? and war of the worlds? im sorry jfrater but this list is terrible.
-Maximuz04
February 17th, 2009 at 2:29 am
Thats not funny baily..
February 17th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Oh..aliens do exist…and I am sure the concept of living together with humans as shown in MIB is true in the form of Jfrater…
Come on Jfrater…from which planet you have come?
February 17th, 2009 at 2:41 am
Terrestrialized guns on the list, g – enough absynthe and any foo can see das UFO yo.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:41 am
haha, i love that they put scientology as number one.
wonder when they’ll come a-knocking w/ an “LEGAL ORDER TO CEASE AND DESIST!”
haha. what a joke of a “religion”
February 17th, 2009 at 2:43 am
whats not funny MO72?
February 17th, 2009 at 2:45 am
thats one of the theory that i’ve heard JFRATER
that they have come back in time to prevent catastrophic events and thus altering the time line.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:46 am
5. jfrater
I think aliens are humans from the future who discovered time travel…
Back the fun bus up!!!!!!!
Woooow I think the exact same thing! In fact I told a whole lot of my friends about my little theory. They thought I had too much spare time. But we know better don’t we
February 17th, 2009 at 2:47 am
I think aliens do exist, as much as we exist for aliens.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:49 am
LOL gd list! I believe in life on other planets, but more in the sense of bacteria and microorganisms. It’s just that considering the size of the universe, we can’t be the only ones surely? Please dnt think I’m mad!
February 17th, 2009 at 2:59 am
for number 8 i was more concerned about the headline at the bottom – “threat to axe haka”
war of the worlds was amazing, be cool if someone did something like that today
February 17th, 2009 at 3:17 am
Oh, you missed the best fake ever.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:23 am
I love crop circles, they look so amazing. Never thought they were aliens though haha.
They do make a change to our normal boring english countryside though.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:33 am
Is it fair to consider Scientology a hoax, I mean, it is their belief.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:36 am
I think it is fair because they are being made to ‘believe’ things which result in them having less money in their bank accounts.
Also, you are made to do stupid things such as stop taking medicine for any problems you have. Anyone remember that horrible story about the guy who stopped taking his bipolar medication because he joined the scientologist cult. I think he died
February 17th, 2009 at 3:38 am
Putting Scientology at the top of this list is like, te equvilent of putting Christianity on the top of a “Top 10 Cults” list (Though Scientology would be one hell of a candidate for #1 on that list, too).
February 17th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Aliens are real but there not here, and the change is big they won’t be for a very very long time. And then if they could come here they would be way smarter then us and could easy dominate us all. So be Glad all alien spaceships are fake. But meeting some cool friendly star-trek aliens would be cool, but we could meet the Borg first…..
February 17th, 2009 at 3:42 am
Couldn’t you consider Roman Catholics a hoax?
They believe that a virgin gave birth, which many people (like myself) find hard to believe.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:51 am
Do some research on crop circles, please. You have no idea.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:55 am
You have no idea whether or not some of these were hoaxes. Some obviously were, but if you assume crop circles and Roswell were hoaxes you really do not have much knowledge about this field at all. You assume you know things that you don’t know and that’s a mistake. Just because you “don’t believe” in them doesn’t mean they are like Santa Claus: their existence doesn’t depend on your belief or lack of it.
If you had more actual knowledge, or had studied the subject instead of copying a list from someplace, or had actually seen an alien spacecraft yourself (as many have) you would not be so smug and you’d realize that you don’t know the truth at all.
One more thing: anyone who actually believes all crop circles were made by two guys with boards taped to their feet is a fool. That’s not even possible, those hoax-circles are very different from actual crop circles. Study it and you’ll see I’m right.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Hmmm i am more concerned about the fact that 38 people took their own lives for something that never actually happened, because they chose to believe some guy who claimed to be the son of God and offered them a chance to survive th “recycling”of the Earth.This worries me more than the concept of other life forms, which we arent fully sure about, as we know that this happened.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:12 am
This list will be a nice little storm when it grows up.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:24 am
Even worse then Orson Welles “War of the Worlds”, was a spanish version done in Ecuador 10 years later. That led to mass panic, then rioting when the public discovered it wasn’t true. I can’t remember the exact numbers but a whole bunch of people were hospitalised and about 10 people killed in the riots.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:29 am
Hooray for 33!
February 17th, 2009 at 4:47 am
What’s exactly secret concerning weather balloons in New Mexico? Weather balloons were already used extensively during WWII, and I somehow don’t see Russian spies driving the roads in NM in the fifties in droves to shoot down weather balloons.
It still may be that Roswell is a hoax, however, but the secret weatherballoon story is not very likely all the same.
Therefore it keeps the conspiration believers hopeful.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:41 am
#33. Soulcatcher & #38. quark
Read “Why People Believe Weird Things” by Michael Shermer and “The Demon Haunted World” by Carl Sagan. Then re-read the comments you’ve posted for a good laugh. “Studying it” requires more than tabloid journalism and conspiracy theory websites.
I think the only thing wrong with this list is the title; It implies that there are some UFO and alien encounters that *aren’t* hoaxes.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:43 am
This list isn’t funny. I was ABDUCTED by aliens once. I was scared too. I couldn’t understand a thing they said.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:44 am
They spoke Spanish.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Roswell, New Mexico is a fun town to visit! Everything is alien-themed, even the Burger King! It is also home to the international UFO Museum and Research Center, which is lots of fun!
February 17th, 2009 at 6:30 am
What a pleasant surprise waiting for me at number one!
I think Scientology should be number one of ALL hoaxes.
February 17th, 2009 at 6:42 am
I can’t resist the chance to quote Dennis Miller:
To an extraterrestrial, Planet Earth at best would be like the Vince
Lombardi rest stop along the Jersey Turnpike. Chances are they stop
off here once to try to stretch their tiny gray limbs, pick up a nut
log and take a leak out of one of their 47 penises. But, on the
off-chance that there are super advanced alien beings out there
tonight interpreting this signal: First of all, thank you for
watching. And now, I want you to listen up, Caldar of Ramoula-Five!
When you do come here and abduct one of us, invariably, might I add,
one of us from a rural address, please… Stay out of our asses, okay!
There’s nothing in our asses that will help you and your dying planet!
Life is tough enough out there in Grow Country without you
procto-naunts downing a couple cases of Zima and getting your moon
rocks off checking on Jethro’s oil.
February 17th, 2009 at 6:42 am
#40 and 41: You slay!Hork!
February 17th, 2009 at 6:43 am
What’s with alien abductions and anal probing? Don’t really get that one at all. You would think that after travelling 1 million light years to visit, they would have something more interesting to offer than jamming something up your ass.
February 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
31. Cazza
Couldn’t you consider Roman Catholics a hoax?
They believe that a virgin gave birth, which many people (like myself) find hard to believe.
might not be a hoax but dam it’s a good magic trick
bet she had one hell of a rabbit out of a hat trick
interesting choice of list..
February 17th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Oh, I’m sorry… but terrible list.
The majority of these don’t even count as hoaxes; and yet, oddly enough, they’ve been substituted for ACTUAL hoaxes which we know, throughout “UFO history” to have happened.
I should add here, before I go on–UFOs and other paranormal phenomena have been a sideline interest of mine for a long time–just for fun mind you–and I in fact have a cousin who is an investigator for MUFON (The Mutual UFO Network). My personal belief is that UFOs are not extraterrestrial but are in fact manmade… i.e., secret military and/or experimental aircraft. But at any rate, my point is that I have some knowledge about the subject.
So back to the list itself–to begin with, #10 (Michael Shermer) doesn’t count as a hoax–it was an illustration, an experiment. But if you’re going to count that, there’s a far better example from Britain in the late 70s, when scientists set up a long-term hoax that ran at least a year, if I remember correctly—they created a false UFO using lights at a distance, and then amongst the observers who not in on the hoax, there was a planted member of the scientific team pretending to take photographs of the “ufo.” Later, these photographs were made public, and showed a disc-shaped object in the sky. But built into the photo were several detectable “flaws” which should have been noticed by the various investigators who examined the pictures (most obvious of which was that no one that night had reported such an object in the sky–merely a light–and in addition, various points on the horizon were out of place, since the actual photo had been taken at a slightly different locale). Nevertheless, various “photographic experts” deemed the picture to be real, not a hoax. When this had played out for a time, the truth was revealed.
This is more thorough and telling than Shermer’s “hoax,” which was not long term and, if I’m not mistaken, did not involve any photo experts actually examining his prints (beyond eyeballing them) with the procedures and processes of the trade. It’s one thing to say you can’t detect fishing wire by LOOKING at a photograph; it’s quite another to claim that no such wire is present when using sophisticated photographic analysis techniques. In short, Shermer’s “hoax” proved little, or nothing, whereas the UK “hoax” I’ve outlined here DID call into question the objectivity and thoroughness of actual UFO investigators and photographic experts.
#9 – I thought I should add that there are, in fact, a small number of hoaxed “alien” photographs out there–most can be found on the net.
#8 News Tabloids… huh? Do we really consider these obviously fabricated stories to be “hoaxes”? A broad definition of “hoax” is being used here… much too broad. And again, there’s no reason for it. If you want to talk news stories that were hoaxed, why not be more specific? For just one instance, the great “airship scare” of a hundred years ago, which was all over the newspapers from one end of the country to another–and most specifically, the stories of “airship crashes”—the most famous being in Aurora, Texas. Despite recent hype around this by the TV show “UFO Hunters,” it was in fact revealed long ago that this crash, along with (probably) all other airship sightings, were in fact hoaxes perpetrated by A) newsmen and/or B) local wags out to have some fun. This is historical and specific–and far more of a “hoax” than the mere existence of papers like the “Weekly World News” which clearly isn’t meant to be believed, but is for pure entertainment.
#7 War of the Worlds: This wasn’t a hoax by ANY stretch of the definition! It was a radio play MEANT to be entertainment but was TAKEN to be real by the audience. When I saw this on the list I realized that the list writer just plain hadn’t done any thorough research and was just scribbling stuff he or she had heard about. Come on now.
#6 Heaven’s Gate—again, not a “hoax” per se, but rather the sicko ravings of a cult leader and the tragic actions of his followers.
#4 Roswell–again, NOT a “hoax.” Of course people are still debating what actually went on at Roswell, but the central fact is that something DID happen. That people since have tried to make a buck (or earnestly have tried to uncover the truth they feel has been hidden) does not make it a “hoax.” Whether crashed UFO or crashed Project Mogul balloon, Roswell “happened,” and it is not, in that sense, a hoax. One might say that, given the likelihood that they are confabulationg, that many of the people who have given eyewitness testimony about “bodies” and “crashed flying saucers” have been perpetrating a hoax ABOUT Roswell, but that’s another matter.
I just don’t understand why ACTUAL and specific hoaxes were not listed here, which would have been a far more interesting and educational list. For instance, the Billy Mier photos (Mier is a crank in Switzerland who claims to have been in touch with aliens for years, and he’s faked any number of UFO photographs and films. Despite clear evidence of the fakings, he continues to maintain that his films are genuine.
Or how about the entire contactee movement of the 50s–and most specifically, the claims and photos of George Adamski, which, like Mier’s photos (and stories) were clearly hoaxed. Again, these photos are famous and the hoaxes themselves well known–but neither individual is mentioned in this list.
Or there’s the obviously-hoaxed Gulf Breeze Photos of a few years back.
Or the famous photos that once made the rounds as totally accepted, in UFO circles, years ago–well known photos that later proved to be buttons photographed over other pictures, to simulate a solid UFO, or various double exposures, or the questionable UFO photographs taken near Brazil in the 50s, of an object that was later believed to have been photographically tampered with.
Or there’s the story of the lumberman (or some such thing) whose name escapes me now–he and his friends claimed that he was zapped by a UFO and abducted, only to be dumped on a road a couple days later. A subsequent lie detector examination proved that he was fabricating the entire story. Famous incident.
This is stuff I’m remembering right out of my head, without even trying to look things up.
Sorry, but this list, as written, just fails, completely. A little research would have made all the difference.
February 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
virgins CAN give birth.
in vitro ftw. haha.
February 17th, 2009 at 7:04 am
What gets me is the idea of “intelligent beings” travelling potentially thousands if not millions of light years to play Hide & Seek
February 17th, 2009 at 7:05 am
Yay for Marshall Applewhite – that great ambassador from the vaunted Alabama Crimson Tide….
February 17th, 2009 at 7:27 am
So it was the wierdest thing, when I was younger my uncle came to visit and he told me about aliens and how they probe, then that night I to had an alien probing expierence…talk about coincidence.
February 17th, 2009 at 7:34 am
im sorry, but if you think the crop circles are a hoax, you REALLY showed yourself as an ignorant on the ufo phenomena
February 17th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Ah, good ol’ scientology. That was our first thing to be under the Religion category.
As for the virgin birth, I thought listverse debunked the… misconception behind that earlier?
February 17th, 2009 at 7:47 am
@51 warrrreagl, are you thinking of Major Applewhite?
February 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
stop with “im sorry, bad list” thing~ instead sayin shyt, why not share ur guys knowledge/reliable source bout this list to us~ talk about ignorant
at least jfrater made this list for my “feeble” knowledge
zippidy-doo-dah
February 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I wonder why almost every UFO sightings and discoveries happens in america…?
Maybe aliens think america is a more interesting than the rest of the world.
Or maybe people in america just have a very good imagination? Or like drugs more?
Or are their just alot of morons and idiots?
Mysterious…
February 17th, 2009 at 7:52 am
halo earthling! have u seen my son?
February 17th, 2009 at 7:58 am
#57
come to think of it, yea…. why aliens visits america more than any other country. the news on UFO was hot during the 40’s and dats when the drug era was famous~
its either dat time ppl smoke to much to hallucinate or real aliens came to america to pick up drugs dat arent available in their universe~
February 17th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Hoax- something intended to decieve or defraud.
First, I fail to see how some of these are even UFO related- primarily 9 and 10, which are about aliens and don’t mention UFO’s once.
Secondly, 10, 7,6 and 1 don’t even loosely fit the definination of hoax, and to write off pure tragedy (number 6) or in some peoples opinions, pure crazy (number 1) as hoax is unfair and irresponsible. I’m sure there’s something you believe in that might sound odd to other people- that doesn’t mean it’s a hoax.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Horgen:
In point of fact, Horgen, over the years (since the late 1940s) there have been a great many sightings of UFOs in South America, Europe, Mexico, and parts of Asia. Brazil alone has accounted for a huge percentage of sightings, and Britain has had more than its share.
Let’s not make smartass remarks when we don’t know what we’re talking about, hmmm?
(Also, if one accepts the notion that UFOs are more likely to be experimental/secret military aircraft, it would therefore make sense that there is a large percentage of such sightings in the US–since presumably the craft are of mainly American origin).
February 17th, 2009 at 8:01 am
randall: why not just make your own list and put it here in the comments? i agree with you…this list could have been far more interesting with specific examples.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:05 am
So, here I go, agreeing with Randall again, but he’s right. This list has very few actual hoaxes. However, I don’t really care; I just like reading about it.
I found it interesting how we got commenters supporting aliens as fervently as some of the lists on religion and Creationism.
Technically, though, Ti and Do (who had changed their names several times) did not convince the group- Ti was dead. She had died of cancer and Do had serious misgivings. His cult actually convinced him to go on.
Interesting list, to say the least. Writing was good and I like the choices, even if they didn’t quite match what the submitter had intended to do.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
“Or are their just alot of morons and idiots?”
I believe that should read “or are their just alot of morans and retarts?”
February 17th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Cedestra:
Why is it such a horror to have to agree with the Randall?
February 17th, 2009 at 8:19 am
“#53. stonesfcr
im sorry, but if you think the crop circles are a hoax, you REALLY showed yourself as an ignorant on the ufo phenomena”
Oh please do enlighten us! Kindly provide the evidence that substantiates your claim, but be prepared for me to provide better evidence that will refute it.
Also, could you explain what you believe to be the “UFO Phenomena”, is it anything like the “Fairy Phenomena” of the early 20th century, or perhaps the “Cryptozoology Phenomena” of the last 60 years or so? Notice how these interests are timely to their era and never referred to as a type of “scientific theory” or “study” but rather, something that requires a more extraordinary moniker, usually created by the credulous?
Come on… try me.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:21 am
62. phishman2112: I don’t think it’s his, or anyone else’s responsibility, to re-create a list, just JFrater’s, if he wants to. It happens sometimes on the more opinion-heavy lists, like “Top 10 Greatest Songs EVAH!”. Some of these lists take hours of research. I think I counted a good 10 or 12 for one of the lists I submitted.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:23 am
65. Randall: Oh, it isn’t, of course, it just seems to be a pattern. Again, might I thank you for being more liberally minded, so I didn’t have to change to Republican/Conservitanism?
February 17th, 2009 at 8:31 am
33. Soulcatcher – So instead of telling us we don’t know anything, why don’t you tell us what we SHOULD know? Your lecture stops short of any actual information.
48. Randall – the lumberman’s name is Travis Walton. He has a website, if you care to waste your time on it.
Personally, I don’t believe in alien abduction. There are too many natural explanations for such things: lucid dreaming, sleep paralysis (which isn’t fun – I have had it many times), etc. Show me an alien and I’ll believe you. Yes, I’m from Missouri.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I feel like I would agree with you as well Randall if I had read your entire post (where do you get the time to write those things? It’s like another list within a list). This isn’t really a list, it’s mostly just a collection of information, like I could have gotten if I’d done a wikipedia jaunt starting on “Roswell” or something. But still, some interesting information to be sure.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Perhaps if the list was titled “Top 10 Tales of Alien Mysteries and/ or Somewhat Spiritual Misunderstandings or Debunkings or Heck Something in the Realm of Stuff We Don’t Understand” it would work for everyone.
I digress… I enjoyed the list anyway. Maybe it is mis-named and somewhat lacking research-wise, but interesting nonetheless.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Mabel:
Thanks for jogging my memory, and no thanks, I’ll pass on Travis’ website.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Cedestra:
You’re very welcome… I’d have hated to cause you to make that kind of change.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:49 am
The only one on the list that is still open to question is the Roswell Incident. But it seems to me that with the great number of people who worked at Area 51 and who still work there,someone would have spilled the beans by now.
February 17th, 2009 at 8:50 am
fun list. not very well put together, but fun.
I can kinda see the theme where the author was trying to put these things together, but it came off badly.
I equate aliens watching/abducting/scaring us with us watching/catching/scaring fish. We see them, we’re of higher intelligence, and their friends probably dont believe them when we let them go.
Fish #1: Where have you been?
Fish #2: Some huge creature snatched me up. I saw a bright flash of light and lots of colors, and right when I was out of breath, it let me go.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Scientology…my favorite fun-to-make-fun-of brainwashing nonsense. What a waste of time, energy and money that stupid (ok…can’t really call it a religion) cult that is!
bucslim: Hilarious! that was perfect…thanks for the laugh!
Randall: always a pleasure reading your inputs! I agree. I don’t believe Roswell was a hoax.
as a side note…I heard the original broadcast of the War of the Worlds. (got it on CD)
During the hour and a half broadcast, the announcer mention that the program was H. G. Wells’s story only 3 times. Once in the beginning and once during and once at the end. The commercials and ‘musical interludes’ were all faked as well to give a more realistic feel. Also during this time, not once was the call letters of the radio station mentioned. Many believed it to be a real because of ingenious way the program was run. I could understand why people believed it…you have to listen to it to understand.
personally…I believe in life out there beyond our little planet. But that gets me thinking…why would ‘they’ want to have anything to do with a bunch of humans? If I was in there shoes (or whatever) I wouldn’t want to visit us either…kind of like visiting that relative who is the epitome of a Jeff Foxworthy joke.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Gee . .you missed out on Travis Walton from Az. My kids went to school with him years ago and he got a couple books and a movie (FIRE IN THE SKY) out of his experience.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:07 am
@55. Nauplius,
No, I was remarking on how Marshall Applewhite was an illustrious faculty member at Alabama in the 60’s, and a damn fine representative of the Crimson Nation.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Hooray for a fun list. I’d have rated Orson Welles’ broadcast a little higher but other than that great list.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Is it just me or does it look like the comet aliens have already been inside Marshall Applewhite’s ass? It looks like they’ve been in there a few times and didn’t find what they were looking for.
Maybe that orange glow goofy look on his face and the fuzzy caterpillar eyebrows is a clue. If you pause the video at 15 seconds you’ll see what I’m talking about. (The pause at 7:00 is another clue)
Jeez, if I stare at that face anymore I’m going to kill myself
February 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
#2 pic – Where does Prince find the time to carve his name in corn?
February 17th, 2009 at 9:33 am
i’m so sick of scientology….
February 17th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Further to Randall’s post pointing out that UFO sightings occur in lots of places other that the US, just a month ago a small storm in a teacup erupted here in the UK over the mysterious damaging of a wind turbine in Lincolnshire. I used to live in Lincoln and I have to admit you would see any number of odd lights in the sky. Of course, there are a few air force bases in the vicinity.
Here’s a link to part of the article with a pic of the damaged turbine – must admit that although I don’t hold with the UFO crashed into it theory, it is quite weird – those things are huge and not easily damaged I would think.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/lincolnshire/content/articles/2009/01/06/lincolnshire_ufo_feature.shtml
February 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I completely agree with Randall and the others. Although I normally enjoy these lists, this one was a disappointment. When I read the title I thought I was going to get 10 specific instances of UFO hoaxes. I think the only ones on the list were the viral video from Haiti and perhaps Roswell. Many of the others should be called “alien hoaxes” or “alien invasion hoaxes”and even then the term hoax is being used very loosely. And although I know very little about crop circles, I certainly know enough to know that the description here was wildly incomplete. I think this list had a lot of potential but did not live up to it at all.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Great going…Tom Cruise is going to sue you now!
February 17th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Ummm yes or no – I think no, but I clearly remember my last year in school a couple of us stood on the corner of the main road through our city, and pointed up to the sky, we started getting the questions from passers by ” what can you see ” I used to answer its a flying object look there, there within 10 min. half of the 30 odd people there saw this ” object ” bullshit baffels brains sometimes – but it was harmless fun.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
74. smithstar4
YES!! You’re using you’re own logic to assess the situation and come to a rational explanation. There’s more to be learned, keep going. Incidentally ALL claims are open to question; question everything! Healthy skepticism and critical thinking help us to learn truth and move us forward! Credulity and gullibility keep us in the dark ages.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Now you’ve done it, you’ve dissed $cientology. Better go into hiding before the clams descend on you en mass.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:52 am
By these standards of hoax you can probably add the Raëlian movement. Although their approach to sex has always intrigued me…if it wasn’t for their hoaky religion it might be nice to date a Raël girl.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I agree with most people commenting here, this is a pretty shoddy list. The alien autopsy was a hoax. The Haiti UFO footage was a hoax. These are individual examples of hoaxes. Roswell, crop circles and Halle Bop and Scientology? What exactly is the hoax there? As Randall said, nothing has ever been proven either way. The same with crop circles. Heaven’s Gate and Scientology were/are psuedo-religions with followers and believers. What’s the hoax?
Okay, off the soapbox. However, if you want to read a really great, funny fiction novel about UFO hoaxes, check out “Little Green Men” by Christopher Buckley (author of “Thank you for Smoking”) It’s hilarious.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
I agree with many here that this list was not named correctly. However for me it was still interesting to read as long as you forget about the title.
How about “10 alien encounter beliefs debunked”
February 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
48. Randall: Well, Randall beat me to everything I was going to say, then Mabel beat me to Travis Walton.
I guess the only item I can provide is this: The first “UFO” photograph in history was taken at the observatory in Zacatecas, Mexico.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Great list.. may be a little off topic.. but I think we get the point for the most part.. I for one do not believe that any aliens of any sort have visited us whatsoever…. of a million plus possible sitings and not one of substantial proof… what are the ODDS ?? If there was one evidence of substantial proof.. It would have been all but verified by the scientific community and we would all know about it…… Humans do not need to believe in aliens to make life more colorful… Science is more interesting than Science fiction these days anyways… you can pick up “Physics of the impossible” by Michio Kaku or “Fabric of the Cosmos” by Brian Green and see what I mean……
SKYDIVER.. thanks for the book recommendations.. they look like great books.. The more you know…..
And I am still waiting for the list top 10 reasons there is NO God of the Bible.. or top ten reasons the Bible is a Hoax, or not real…………………. its not too Controversial.. its one of the greatest debatable topics and people can learn a lot from it…….
February 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
I love this website. I love pretty much every list you do , one request is more space/planets/earth etc related lists , they make me wanna come on this site everyday. And I don’t know some of the list’s you do because there so old !
February 17th, 2009 at 11:41 am
6: JF – I agree. Look at all the species on this planet. Only 1% are humanoid. So what are the chances of ‘aliens’ looking humanoid? Billions to one! An alien would run faster with four legs, so why have two? Imagine a species evolved from microbes, what would they look like after 40 million years?
I reckon man will eventaully mess up the gene pool so much with engineering that they will come back to this time to get fresh clean samples. String theory suggests that this is possible, and would make a lot of sense – more so than invaters from other planets.
Besides. If ‘aliens’ were advanced enough to create intergalactic travel without time dialation messing things up – do you really think they would mess with such a destructive and technologically naive as human? Why waste their time? Humans can beary get to the moon without faking it. No, if aliens have any wisdom at all, they would not bother trying to talk to us, just as we find no interest in learning how to speak ape.
What is ‘alien’ anyway? Something that is unusual and unrecognisable to us? What about ‘illegal aliens’; people of the same human race – the same natural being – moving themselves to another place in the world. Agghh! the aliens are among us!
February 17th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Wait…Xenu is a hoax!? WTF
February 17th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Well one thing about Roswell that can be said (besides what I already pointed out) is that either some people have fabricated their experiences associated with it (surely this is possible, though getting into their minds to understand why they did so isn’t the easiest thing to do) while others have simply made honest mistakes—-or the whole bizarre thing happened as it’s been painted by the UFO enthusiasts–i.e., as the crash of an extraterrestrial spacecraft, followed by the recovery of bodies and a cover-up.
Now me personally, I of course believe the former–that people have fabricated, confabulated and distorted reality, while others have made simple errors or misjudgements. The evidence just overwhelmingly points in that direction, and away from any kind of “saucer crash.”
But the “hoax” lies in those individual fabrications (such as the claims of Philip Corso, now deceased, who claimed he was in charge of reverse engineering the various technologies gleaned from the spacecraft) and not in the incident itself, which was a real event, regardless of what exactly happened.
If you know all the supposed details of the Roswell incident, the one small logical sticking point about the whole thing is what allegedly happend to Mac Brazel, the rancher who first found the wreckage (at least in some versions of the story). The story goes that this was, in reality, just Project Mogul balloon train debris. Such debris would have consisted of a train of huge weather balloons, radar reflectors made of foil and balsa wood, and perhaps some instruments for the detection of sounds and maybe radiation high in the atmosphere (the reported purpose of the Mogul balloons was to detect the testing of a Russian atomic bomb, which was assumed to happen in the near future, at that date). Nothing terribly remarkable about it… and in fact the debris would look like any debris from any other weather or military-related balloon launch.
Now true, Mogul was top secret—there were various reasons one can assume why it was so, but just the fact that it was 1947 and less than two years after the end of WWII is enough justification—-the military was still used to doing everything in secret at that time. But by the same token, the general public was also used to accepting the word of the military at that time.
So along comes Brazel and finds this debris, which is supposedly just a bunch of balloons and radar reflectors. Now, people from the base respond to his report, and come out to find this stuff. There’s no reason to assume that these guys knew about Mogul. But surely they (and Brazel) could know the debris from balloons and balsa wood reflectors when they saw it. But okay, let’s assume they didn’t know. So they bring the crap back to the base, and the buzz is that it might be the remains of a flying saucer. (?)
Wait a second. How do we go from neoprene, balsa wood and foil to flying saucer?
Well that’s baffling enough. But the story is that Brazel was intercepted by intelligence officers and HELD for two days (some reports say—though others say Brazel wasn’t held at all). The story goes that he was threatened, coerced, and/or bribed to say that what was found was just balloon debris.
IF that in fact happened—then it raises the question—WHY? Why was it necessary to hold Brazel at all, or coerce him in any way? Again, this was a time when people listened to the military and did more or less what they told, as they were still used to being on a war footing. All it would have required is someone in the know to say to Brazel, “well Mr. Brazel, no mystery here—what you’ve got there is weather balloon debris.”
Now the shit LOOKS like weather balloon debris. So why would Brazel have NOT accepted this? Why would it be necessary to HOLD him for a protracted time? The implication is that Brazel would NOT have believed this story that was told to him, and required “convincing.” But why? If the debris in fact WAS just balloon debris–whether Mogul or not, that’s what it would have essentially been—then why would Brazel raise any kind of objection to this?
Of course, all this falls apart if Brazel was in fact NOT held, and as I say, some versions of the story say he wasn’t.
But if he WAS—then it’s peculiar. Doesn’t prove anything, by itself. But it’s odd. Even if they’d wanted to clamp down on the whole thing–and been too gung ho about it—again, all they would have had to do is TELL Brazel that it was a weather balloon. What was he going to say? Did he have any proof that it wasn’t? No. The only way it could become a protracted need to “convince” him was if something he saw didn’t FIT with the story of it only being a balloon.
I’ve never believed Roswell was the crash of an alien spacecraft. But there may have been more to it than we yet know—perhaps some kind of experiment gone awry, or other.
On the other hand—the evidence says it WAS just Project Mogul, and it’s very difficult to see how it could have been anything else.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Cpena82–I agree with you.The odds are great that someone would have come up with substantial proof by now–I know the Air Force spent a ton of money doing “Operation Bluebook” and their conclusion was actually a very gray one-Inconclusive,blah,blah-But if the government did know anything I’m not so sure we would know it.It’s not related to UFO’s but I believe “The Philadelphia Experiment” probably happened. There was a lot of talk about it when I was in the Navy and credible witnesses have come forth since-So who knows? But the government will never verify it. Of course I’m one of those who trusts our government about as far as I could throw their bloated butts.
February 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Remember, Randalls essays are not available in the shops.
February 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Are the lawyer vultures of scientoLIEgy already circling over this page?
February 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Lifeschool:
Bless you, citizen, and thanks for the reminder.
Let’s also point out that my videos and DVDs are available on PBS.org: Go to the “Shopping” section and then press the radio button for “Insufferably Long Winded and Pedantic Voices of the Internet, Vol. 1″ — Just $39.95 a copy, and all proceeds go to refinishing the deck of my boat in time for the Spring launch.
Thanks America and come again soon!
February 17th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
#1 was just fail. Its sad how many of you people buy into that BS.
February 17th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
ive always known tom cruise was the alien offspring of some intergalactic race…that would explain why he divorced gorgeous nicole kidman
February 17th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
People really care! Congrats Jfrater?
February 17th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Smithstar4- Yeah you might be right…. we MIGHT not know something if the government did know about it and tried to cover it up… And I am not going on any real research here, just logic. People in government are not as smart as the scientific community. The government couldnt keep that kind of valuable info from their hands. And if Aliens did visit us in any way that would be BIG information for a number of scientists. They are geniuses and they spend their entire lives on related subjects. Today scientists are hot on the search for intelligent life besides our own.. meaning they do not believe we have found any yet.. and disregarding any kind of alien visit to Earth as of yet…….
As for the philadelphia experiment.. I do not see how that could have happened because the technology for an invisible cloak had not come around yet.. It first came around a couple of years ago.
February 17th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
93 segue: Well, Randall beat me to everything I was going to say, then Mabel beat me to Travis Walton.
Well at least you took the time to read all the prior posts before commenting! Though being familiar with your posting history, I’d have expected nothing less from you. But still – kudos. You have spared bucslim from having to off himself again in a rage over repetitious postal content.
February 17th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Currie Jean, you’re going to be sorry when Xenu comes back
February 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I’m not surprised that no one brought up “Alien Abduction:Incident in Lake County.” Otherwise known as The McPhearson Tapes. A lot of people thought it was an actual documentation of an alien abduction, but really it was just as real as The Blair Witch Project was.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0142074/
February 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Cpena82–Well,you’re probably right about the “Philadelphia Experiment”–It’s just that I was around a lot more talk about that than I ever was UFO’s-The experiment supposedly happened in the 40’s. I went into the Navy in 1960 and at that time there were guys on my ship who had been in during the war years and they swore up and down it had happened.And they talked about it a lot.But who knows?
February 17th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I agree with many here that this is a very unorganised list…and honestly unresearched. I could have cut and pasted all of that from the internet.
And these aren’t all UFOs. They all have something to do with aliens…but not UFOs. And how can you prove that some of these are hoaxes? Most circle crops are still unsolved. And a lot of photos/videos are as well. Just because something is unidentified dosent make it fake.
And….no I am not a crazy alien freak. But I am open to evertything. It just seems this was a shot in the dark list by a closed minded person
February 17th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Well if you think about it, the universe is huge compared to the Earth. How do we know for sure that there is no other life out there? I believe that there is something else out there, because we don’t have any idea how big the universe is. Now that being said, I don’t believe in aliens. But I do believe there is other life out there. How do we know that there are no unicorns or other mythical creatures out there? Just because we haven’t seen doesn’t mean that they don’t exist. The whole Christian faith believes in God and Jesus, but they’ve never actually seen them. It all depends, I guess. Some people believe and others don’t.
By the way, how cool would it be if there were unicorns running around earth?
February 17th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Great list.
Anybody ever heard of bob lazar? The scientist/phycisit who was called in to work at Area 51/S-4 on a top secret mandate who then spoke out for his own protection in case something were to happen to him? You should look him up. I was always skeptical about human perception and media portrayal of ET life, but bob lazar’s story is amazing and is the only one that has me convinced of its legitimacy.
here is one of many interviews. I strongly recommend u watch its great stuff, and sort of spooky.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
scientology
Travolta
February 17th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
scientology
Travolta
Cruise
BobCat
I don’t think so scaz Ba Nano Nano
Wait I not In HollyWood Movies
Or am I
Doh
February 17th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Bella, 110 – It would be really cool if there were unicorns running around the Earth, a whole new kind of meat.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
29. PlasmaTwa2, good point. Chrisitianity may not ne number one, but definitely should in a “top ten cults that fools follow” list.
33. Soulcatcher. C’mon man, only certified retards have seen a “UFO”. It’s always the weak minded that believe in this crap. “I’m a loser with no purpose in life so I’ll draw attention to myself by saying i’ve seen a UFO or have been aubducted by aliens. I’ll talk about it so much that I eventually convince myself it actually happened. I have proof. I know crop circle are real. Only I know the truth.”
wackos. They’re like religious people. Uneducated and not worth listening to.
February 17th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
39. Skydiver – you called it
UFO people do a lot of “backwards thinking”
To illustrate:
why–>mystery
February 17th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
(hmmm – some alien is blocking part of my keen meassage)
February 17th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
(damn aliens)
if you look a question logically by starting with a “why” approach it results in step by step development of a hypothesis as to what has occurred.
On the other hand, if you take the “why not” approach, unlimited explanations are instantly available and for some reason “why not” thinkers are prone to come up with some of the more bizarre(illogical) explanations for things – like scientology!
February 17th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
What about the art bell area 51 call?
February 17th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Dear All,
I’m going to protest the listing of #2 -Crop Circles.
If you believe you can brush away the phenomena because a pair of farmers with planks said ‘they did it’ – patterns so complex like the one depicted above (i’d challenge anyone to try and come up with one that looks as original and mathematically sound) – then you’re as gullible.
There is real science behind crop-circles, and I’d suggest you investigate the phenomena a little further before settling for the “Farmer dunnit” argument.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
113. Davo -
Those “Certified Retards” you’re talking about include astronauts, pilots & military officers – some in charge of U.S. Nuclear Missile defence.
I suppose your own qualifications make your generalised statements carry more authority than these guys?
I’m not saying all of them are speaking the truth – but to discount them “cuz ufo’s are seen by retards” is one of the most retarded statements I’ve ever read.
“Absence of evidence _does not_ imply evidence of absence.”
February 17th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
110. Bella – I totally agree with you. It’s possible; I just don’t believe that they are coming down here and abducting people for sex experiments and anal probes. If they are even humanoid, as someone (I forget who) already pointed out.
I think there is life on other planets. Not in this solar system, but until we can travel beyond it, there’s just no way to know for sure.
93. segue – sorry I beat you.
For what it’s worth, I didn’t know that about the first UFO photograph.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
120. Mabel- Exactly. It is possible-maybe even probable-that there is other life on other planets. But the fact that they are coming to abduct us or perform sexual experiments is absurd. I don’t understand why some people actually believe that, but that’s only my opinion.
February 17th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Meryl Streep
February 17th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Roswell = Project Mogul. Done. End of story.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
This is a good list, though “UFO Hoax” isn’t an appropriate title… not everything in this list is UFO pertinent.
This is more a list of “Extra Terrestrial hoaxes”, and as that is the case… the War of the Worlds hoax should be on here, and should be in the top 3.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Great list. I’ve noticed something, listversians HATE scientology. (I do too.)
February 17th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I’m pretty sure there are “aliens” – if by aliens, you mean “life forms ON other planets”. With all the galaxies full of stars and planets, its inevitable.
Now, whether those life forms have the 1) ability or 2) desire to visit us – who knows.
If they have both, why not stick around?
If they only have one or the other, we’ll never see them, but it doesn’t mean they don’t exist.
Look at us earthlings. We have the desire, but not the ability to visit planets outside our solar system or galaxy.
We still exist.
If we got the ability, would we go peeking in other planets’ backyards with announcing ourselves. Absolutely. We’d want as much info on the other species as possible before making contact.
If we deem ourselves more advanced, we might pass for better pastures.
If we deem ourselves less advanced, we might pass out of fear.
Either way, I could see Earthlings taking a similar observational stance as any beings visiting us.
Look but don’t touch, try to avoid being seen. If you’re spotted, get out of there.
If we happen to land, out of emergency or accident, keep to uninhabited areas and trust no one.
Once the ability becomes more common, a few will “joy-ride” and scare the locals, but I doubt it would become commonplace.
So I think whatever “aliens” have the ability and desire to visit/spy/explore our planet, are probably following the same mantra we would as explorers ourselves.
February 17th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
wish there was an edit button…
“If we got the ability, would we go peeking in other planets’ backyards withOUT announcing ourselves?”
February 17th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
I agree with most of the posters above – the list, whilst interesting, is mistitled.
Seeing as how most of my bones of contention have been adequately addressed already, I’ll just say that this sentence annoyed me: “The air of tension created by the second world war gets only some of the credit for the uproar” [No 7, War of the Worlds]. War of the Worlds was broadcast in 1938. World War 2 started in 1939. There was an air of tension in the build-up to WW2, sure, but that’s a different thing really.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
107. Maggot: 93 segue:…****Well at least you took the time to read all the prior posts before commenting!…kudos. You have spared bucslim from having to off himself again in a rage over repetitious postal content.
****
Thanx. I used to count and post the number of repetitious posts in certain lists, when the number of drive-by or idiot posters would be high.
Truly. I’d count them. Then post something like, “Yes, we missed that the last 34 times it was posted”.
Poor bucky, he needs to get out more.
February 17th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
HAHA aliens exist, but most UFO sightings are definitely hoaxes. I wonder why a lot of people think that if aliens exist then they would be far superior to humans. Aliens are probably just as stupid/evil as we are. (Not that people are that stupid)
February 17th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
The G-spot is located in the anus, so I assume that aliens (who have probably long ceased using sex as a tool of pleasure and procreation) are trying to discover the human secret of orgasm??? Hence, anal probes
February 17th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
The Roswell incident is such a hoax but such an important American pop culture icon. Great list
February 17th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
In regards to Roswell I’m not convinced it was a UFO however, Why did the government issue 4 different reports on Roswell, if it was just a weather balloon? To me the craziest one is the officer, who they claim fell out of the balloon, smashed his head and as a result he has all puffy so that’s the alien witnesses saw. The prior report had said it was a crash test dummy. Make up your mind already.
I’ve been to Roswell and I think the town could do much more to exploit the UFO thing than they do I was disappointed at how little UFO stuff there was.
February 17th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
#2 and #4 are a matter of opinion of the author and cannot be disproven with such “proof” offered. Consider the more difficult crop circles, and the fact that the stalks were bent and not broken, and they were blown out..did the frauds carry around microwaves on long extension cords?
February 17th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Just one thing, if our souls are made of them, why would we wan’t them gone? Doesn’t that mean our souls will be gone aswell? Do we have souls? Am I actually trying to understand Scientology? Am I sleep deprived? Yes.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Stop repeating that I’ll explode if something gets repeated or I’ll explode.
February 17th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
141. bucslim: Deep cleansing breath, bucko…deep cleansing breath…I got over this nuttiness by having an on-line breakdown…Cyn might remember it.
It doesn’t matter, it stopped. I no longer went bonkers about it, and boyohboy did I used to go bonkers! You have nothing on me in that department! Nothing! I’d count the number of repeats in a list of posts and print it out in a post for all to see and to embarrass the poster!
Remember, as I was forced to, it’s just cyber-space.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Another entertaining list, and commentary. Thanks to all
I think the theme of this list is clear:
Any proof of intelligent extra-terrestrial beings coming to earth in spacecraft and interacting with people here is a hoax.
Properties of the universe, namely the inability to propel a vehicle faster than the speed of light, make it impossible to travel the distances required to come here from anywhere.
All science fiction stories require some sort of exception to this rule, like a wormhole or portal, to create a story of galactic travel. Unfortunately, science fact does not allow it except on the level of an energy quantum, like a photon, the famous “spooky action at a distance” described by Einstein.
Similarly, time travel is a literary device, required to create a story, but allowed in science only on the level of a quantum particle’s lifetime.
The chance that equal or higher levels of civilization even exist elsewhere in the galaxy at this time is much less than people think.
The Universe is 13.7 billion years old, life has existed here for 3-4 billion years. But the ability to comprehend the idea of extra terrestrial intelligence is only dozens or hundreds of years old. It adds up to a tiny, lonely flash in a big pan. (Micheal Shermer addressed this in his Aug. 02 Scientific American column “Why ET Hasn’t Called”
Why is it that in spite of the endless deluge of photographs and accounts, simple clear proof of ET remains out of our grasp?
Why is it that as our technology has reached the point that anyone can access an image of any point on the earth, simple clear proof is just as distant as it was in 1947?
The answer: it does not exist.
People, now as much as ever, believe what they want to believe, the weight of the acquired knowledge of civilization be damned.
p.s. I think the plural of Bigfoot is Bigfoots, just as the hockey team is the Toronto Maple Leafs, not Maple Leaves.
I don’t think that Bigfoot exist, although they are more likely to than space aliens. At least they would be of this earth.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
141 buc: On the contrary, I figured you’d be puddling up over such conscientious posting protocol as exhibited by segue in her 93.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
krchuk: If you nothing about the female anatomy then just don’t say anything.
February 17th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
just kidding
February 17th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
“#122. Rob
Dear All,
I’m going to protest the listing of #2 -Crop Circles.
If you believe you can brush away the phenomena because a pair of farmers with planks said ‘they did it’ – patterns so complex like the one depicted above (i’d challenge anyone to try and come up with one that looks as original and mathematically sound) – then you’re as gullible.
There is real science behind crop-circles, and I’d suggest you investigate the phenomena a little further before settling for the “Farmer dunnit” argument.”
It’s amusing that almost every defendant of an extraordinary claim backs it up with “investigate it!” or “read up on it!” yet provides no credible sources in which to do so. Sorry Rob, but conspiracy theory sites and UFOevidence.org doesn’t count. They already have their conclusion and are simply searching for things to justify it. That’s the REVERSE of how science works.
You are right however, there is a real science behind crop circles. Doug Bower and Dave Chorley used mathematics and physics to create the designs they did and over the years, many others followed in their “plank-steps”.
If you’re going to limit your “investigation” to Google, I suggest typing in Doug Bower and Dave Chorley’s names, rather than “Crop Circles” as that may give you a somewhat biased result.
Here’s a fun website:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/dougdave.html
Explore the whole site, it’s hours of fun!
That link briefly explains the crop circle hoax. Lengthy really isn’t necessary but there are more detailed explanations. If you need additional evidence, check out Jim Schnable’s “Round in Circles”.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Where are Jemaine and Bret?
February 17th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Wow. What a bunch of bickering children. This list really got some folks’ dander up. Here’s a thought, fellas: Shower, turn off the World of Warcraft, go outside, get a job and interact with people. Preferably people without aluminum foil hats. Getting worked up over this sort of thing just puts on display how awkward and un-dateable a person can be. Remember, these lists are opinion, and are largely for entertainment only. Everybody just chill.
Oh, and everybody with a brain knows that crop circles are actually created by young bigfeet who travel to England from Canada to study abroad as part of a little-known sasquatch-exchange program focusing on studies in both macroeconomics and the culinary arts. The crop circles come out of essentially a dare rooted in a hazing ritual for newly arriving bigfeet in the program. It’s similar to the antics of hopeful fraternity pledges on college campuses – just with much hairier students. Duhhh, I thought everyone knew that.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Dr Frank Drake hypothesised a formula about how likely the probability of us being contacted by aliens is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation. Unfortunately the variables are so large that the answer ranges from likely to virtually impossible. Scientists best guesses to the factors involved suggest intelligent life elsewhere is likely, but contact isn’t. So the chances of aliens visiting earth is virtually impossible.
Even if we were visited, would you believe it? I wouldn’t unless I saw it with my own eyes.
I would love to think that aliens would come to earth, but it hasn’t happened. I agree with a post above; they are looking up at the stars and wondering why we haven’t visited them!
If the human civilization lasts long enough, we will send (unmanned) space craft to many planets and systems, and may discover something. Even if they were launched today, none of us will live long enough to see the signals beamed back.
February 17th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
I’ve never actually bothered with finding out exactly what scientology is based on, so this was quite a revelation. I would love to get together with my fellow listversians and have a good laugh at the expense of Ron Hubbard, Tom Cruise, Travolta etc. but instead I’d like to see any believers actually try to defend ‘xenu’ and ‘thetans’. Even thetans should have the right to explain themselves.
Any sceintologists care to try?
Maybe Ron Hubbard started this as an experiment to see how many people he can get to believe in his sci-fi story. But now since it’s attracted so many (rich) people it’s gotten too big and now he might never disclose this as a hoax.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:19 am
149. Tomo
He may never disclose it as a hoax but here’s an interesting quote from a few short years prior to establishing scientology:
“If you want to make a little money, write a book. If you want to make a lot of money, create a religion.”
There was some website I stumbled upon…clambake? something like that… There were stories from ex-scientologists and children raised as scientologists who left. They tried to encourage scientologists to defend their stance but it’s so mired in secrecy that not many will bother/try/risk offending xenu. I tried to read some of the testimonials, but it was hard… too many abbreviations and shorthand terms that I couldn’t understand.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:13 am
#20
That’s a sequence of three rock operas by Ayreon lol.
The Final Experiment – A blind minstrel in King Arthur’s court (Ayreon) has visions of humanity’s path to annihilation, the townspeople are disturbed by his stories and seek to kill him.
01011001 [Binary for"Y"] Planet Y: A race of artificially-immortal aliens lose their sense of purpose and descend into decadence. Realizing their seemingly inevitable collapse, they decide to form life on another planet (Earth) to regain a purpose for their existence. They decide to create life on Earth, leading to creatures like them (Humans).
But things obviously do not go well. Near the end of the album, things start to go downhill, as we poison our environment, succumb to disease, and kill one another, they seek a way to reverse what has been done. A crack team of scientists decide to transmit a message back through time as a warning to stop our destruction (these are the visions Ayreon has), but because of the events in TFE, things do not change:
“I have sent it but nothing changes
Just a line in some ancient lore
I don’t know just how far it reaches
Everything’s like before” (“E=MC2)
The war occurs in 2084, and the finale is told by the alien narrators (as is most everything in the album, except for three songs), and ends with the last man on Earth fleeing with them. This last man makes his home on Mars and enters the Universal Migrator.
Universal Migrator – The last man on Earth flees to Mars and enters a device known as the Universal Migrator to discover what went wrong and visits different eras in human history, from humanity’s final suicide in 2084 to the first homo sapien, and drifts through space towards the beginning of the universe, and finally dies within the UM.
UM was released years before “Y”, but I consider it the chronological finale. This is the final chapter in the story.
February 18th, 2009 at 1:17 am
151 Cont.
Do I believe the story Ayreon has told? Absolutely not. But is it interesting and entertaining? I think so. I find it to be philosophical, not unlike Lucifer’s Council in the beginning chapters of Paradise Lost.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:43 am
All you have to do to learn much more about this is actually study the info that’s out there and learn to seperate the wheat from the chaff. Millions of people have filmed them and reported them–just because you may assume each and every one of those people is a liar or a fool doesn’t make it so. UFO’s have tailed most of our space missions–look it up for yourself. Strap some boards to your feet and try to make a crop circle–and remember, real crop circles have every grain of wheat bent at a perfect 90-degree angle, unbroken. Look up the Varginha Event, etc. There is plenty of information out there if you’re not too lazy to do some research.
I have seen alien spacecraft–not “UFO’s”, alien spacecraft–on several occasions, once close-up as it hovered only a few feet off the ground and was buzzed by a pair of F-16’s. That sighting lasted for 42 minutes. It doesn’t matter if you believe that or not–it happened anyway.
Anyway, I don’t need to convince anyone of anything. I’m just saying that anyone who honestly investigates this rather than just prejudging it and shooting off their mouth will inevitably come to the conclusion that we are indeed being visited. If you think we’re not, you haven’t actually studied this subject much.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:53 am
I do belive in aliens I got a real alien in my life my mother in law. And maby just maby my ex Girlfriend
…… .LOL. And best of it all I am one HAHA
February 18th, 2009 at 4:01 am
Interesting list, but I think the comments are a lot more interesting. Now my turn to stir the pot.
Crop circles – A couple of years ago I saw a special about the farmers and how they made their circles. When they attempted to make one for the show they broke almost every stem, whereas the REAL crop circles all the stems are bent, not broken. The producers of the program tried various ways to reproduce a circle, but couldn’t do one without breaking stems. It seemed to me to show that the farmers were trying to cash-in on the circles.
Aliens – All life on earth could be alien. Scientists have revived ancient bacteria that was frozen for over a million years. They have also found amino acids in meteors that are nothing like any found on earth. So as I see it all life could have come from other planets. I am not sure if this is how it happened, but it is possible.
Lister-Ian this one is for you
You say that universe is not old enough for technology to be advanced to the point of interstellar travel. It is very dangerous to base that on what we have achieved in our time here. When we made our first hand axe, it took mankind another million years before we made a handle. Steam power has been around for over 2000 years, but it wasn’t until the 19th century that we used steam in a productive way, and how far have we come since then. How far advanced would we be if instead of a million years between axe and handle, it was a thousand. Or the Romans with all their advances had worked out how to use steam. Where are we going to be in two thousand years.
Then you have to take into account the millions of years before us that life has been on this planet. If an alien species started at the same time as life on earth, took about ten million years to make their axe, skipped the large gaps between innovations, we would be a curiosity to them. I am not saying that they are among us, but to rule it out is very narrow-minded.
And to all you people that say the odds of life being out there, whatever the odds are, I can be pretty sure that there are more stars than that figure.
February 18th, 2009 at 4:56 am
#61 Randall:
“In point of fact, Horgen, over the years (since the late 1940s) there have been a great many sightings of UFOs in South America, Europe, Mexico, and parts of Asia. Brazil alone has accounted for a huge percentage of sightings, and Britain has had more than its share.
Let’s not make smartass remarks when we don’t know what we’re talking about, hmmm?”
I guese I stand corrected….?
But anyway, why dont you take a look ar this:
http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=515
Randall, you seem to be the expert here so is this map lying to us?
February 18th, 2009 at 4:59 am
sorry, wrong link.
This is the one:
http://ufosbest.blogspot.com/2008/04/ufo-sightings-maps.html
February 18th, 2009 at 5:02 am
comment 154?!?! wtf?
February 18th, 2009 at 5:40 am
Who in their right mind would want to become a Scientologist? Oh wait, they aren’t in their right minds, my bad.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Horgen:
It’s amazing how some people just refuse to admit when they were wrong.
Look Horgen, you said “almost every sighting of a UFO” has happened in America. This is, quite simply, untrue. Now, I couldn’t open the map from the first link you sent, but with the second one, EVEN IF you assume it to be accurate, what you apparently fail to see is that the apparent number of sightings for Europe is nearly as dense as those for North America.
But wait a second. (And this is why we shouldn’t just readily swallow everything we see on the internet). That image, from the second link, is rather suspicious. What it looks like to me is in fact a satellite image of lights and population concentrations—keeping very much in line with similar satellite images I’ve seen before of city lights. To further compound this, one wonders who A) compiled this “map” and B) why it in fact so much LOOKS like a satellite image.
But all this is beside the point. I never said that UFO sightings were EQUALLY distributed around the globe. I made a point, in fact, of saying that even if you could establish that the great majority of UFO sightings occurred in the US, then this would only serve to support the hypothesis that UFOs are in fact merely secret/experimental US aircraft. But my main point was to correct your mistaken claim that “ALMOST ALL” ufo sightings have been made in the US. This simply is NOT the case.
If you knew anything about the subject, you’d know that in fact South America has had a gigantic number of sightings logged over the years (along with Mexico) and that Europe, particularly certain countries, has had more than its share as well.
Another point about that second image link you presented—it seems to distribute ufo sighting in the US in a way I’ve never seen—basically blanketing the country. AGAIN–this looks suspiciously to me like something else that has been proferred as a “map” of ufo sightings. South America is underrepresented (along with a few other spots) and if anything the US and Europe seem overrepresented, compared to data I’ve seen before.
And far be it for me to contradict the folks at Cornell’s “Ask an Astronomer,” (a site I have some experience with) as I have a great deal of respect for them in most things. But they’re not experts in the field of ufology (not that I claim to be one either) but rather their job is simply to answer questions pertaining to astronomy. In this they do a great job, but I wouldn’t expect them to know the actual distribution of ufo sightings around the world.
At any rate, AGAIN, the point was that laughing off UFO sightings just because YOU think that almost all happen in the US (and that therefore we can put them down to stupid yokels seeing things that aren’t there) is not only wrong, it also misses a point–that the locations of sightings, worldwide, may indicate the point of origin of many of these “objects” and possible aircraft–OR may also indicate places of population density where people are statisically more likely to see something odd in the sky.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I Agree with you Jfrater and have been trying to convince my friends for years that if, in fact, aliens exist – maybe they are just humans from the future.
February 18th, 2009 at 9:32 am
How’s this for a chain? I go onto Cracked.com, read their article including David Lynch and his legendary bomb “Heaven’s Gate,” notice a section about an exploding horse, think to myself “There’s no way…”, go on YouTube to see if it’s true, search for “Heaven’s Gate”, come across the very video that was used in THIS ListVerse article, and I notice one of the commenters asks, “OK, who else came here from ListVerse?” So, being curious, I come to ListVerse to check out this crazy article concerning hoaxes and UFOs and such.
And that is how I can link Cracked.com to ListVerse.com
As an aside, my dad (who used to work for the government) claims he knew people who were actually at Area 51. They’re plane had gone down in a routine training exercise, and since Area 51 was the closest base, they were taken there…with their heads covered in black masks so they couldn’t see anything. Then they just waited there for someone to pick them up.
Of all the “Area 51 stories,” this one has to be true; it’s by far the most mundane.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Randall… Calm the fuck down!
Im not assuming anything. I was just asking if that map were lying. And I havent done the research to notice that UFO sightings happens everywhere that you are saying but this list seems to be very americanized.
Im not laughing and im not judging anything.
Its just you randall thats overreacting and obiously you are the expert. And I sense this is a very sensitive subjekt for you.
Im just not that interested in making research in something like UFOs. My research consists mainly of vaginas and poop.
Have a great life with your spaceships Randall.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:40 am
162. Phillies: I believe your story. My dad worked for a company in Los Angeles which did a lot of work for the government, putting up anti=personnel barriers around things like missile silos, government airfields, space installations (Cape Canaveral), etc.
One of his friends, on a different crew, was with a group that was picked up at the “shop” every Monday morning, early (still dark), and loaded into buses without windows in the passenger cabin, and a steel gate between the passengers and driver.
They were taken to an airport, loaded onto an airplane, again without windows in the passenger cabin, and flown several hours in several directions. When they finally landed, all they knew was that they were in a desert.
They worked all week, no phone calls or letters of course, and after work on Friday the travel arrangements were reversed.
Now, here’s the weird part. Every single man on the crew died within 15 years of cancer.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:50 am
“153. Soulcatcher
There is plenty of information out there if you’re not too lazy to do some research.”
Please provide us with some of the sources of this information, because the only resources I can find to substantiate these claims are Pro-UFO based sites that provide no evidence, and quantify the claims with the same anecdotal evidence you supply. Conspiracy theory sites that have as much credibility as the Weekly World News hardly seem worthy, surely you can’t mean those. It’s one thing to tell someone to investigate, it’s quite another to provide the resources that have solidified your belief.
Come on Soulcatcher, let’s have it. Scientific journals that include clinical studies with empirical evidence and eye-witness accounts that cannot be explained by scientific means and have stumped the scientific world for decades.
I mean, with everyone and their uncle owning a video camera these days, surely SOMEONE must have clear concise images of alien spacecrafts that can’t be dissected as fraudulent. Why are there no accounts of futuristic, shiny spacecraft with coloured flashing lights, tractor beams and super speed, occurring in the 18th and 19th century? Is it because the aliens didn’t have that technology 200 short years ago? Or is it because people in the 1700’s didn’t know what a coloured flashing light was, or a shiny metallic spacecraft, having never been exposed to either of these gadgets? It seems that these sightings only began after the dawn of science-fiction and as space exploration became more prevalent in the mid-twentieth century. Wouldn’t that seem a much more plausible explanation? Or do you simply believe what you want to believe because YOU find that more interesting?
In contrast to your lack of resources, here are some of my resources I’ve used to get my information:
http://www.carlsagan.com/
http://richarddawkins.net/
http://www.skeptic.com/
http://www.randi.org/site/
http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/
http://www.sciencemag.org/
http://www.nature.com/
http://www.snopes.com/
http://www.skeptics.ca/
Now if you’re not too lazy, you should have no trouble spending a few hours sifting through those and reading some of the articles and/or books they suggest. You’ll find that science and evidence-backed facts are far more rewarding than conjecture and opinion. Give reality a try… it’s actually pretty interesting!
If you need more, let me know.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am
How can seemingly intelligent people (celebrities especially) be so stupid and naive as to believe in Scientology? It’s sad really.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Horgen:
Look, pal… YOU’RE the one who started with a smart-ass crack about ufo’s being seen almost exclusively in the United States, and then followed with this–AND I QUOTE:
“Or maybe people in america…like drugs more?
Or are their just alot of morons and idiots?”
So don’t get all defensive and touchy NOW, Horgen. You opened your mouth and inserted your foot into it. Pure and simple.
Now, I am NOT, as it happens, “sensitive” about this subject. Nor am I by any means an “expert.” I have some knowledge of it, as it’s an interest of mine purely for entertainment purposes, and I have a relative who investigates these things. But that’s it. But it doesn’t take a lot of research or even paying much attention to know that ufos are witnessed the world over, not just in the US and not even *overwhelmingly* in the US.
I don’t even BELIEVE in ufos (as extraterrestrial spacecraft that is).
I just don’t like smart remarks from people who should know better—A) about any particular subject at hand and B) about the US. (“morons and idiots.” Yeah, okay. We have our share of morons and idiots over here Horgen, but I guarantee you the percentage of them is pretty much identical to that in YOUR homeland, wherever that may be—or anywhere else for that matter).
February 18th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Horgen:
And by the way, you’re reading too much emotion into my words. I’m not at all upset or even angry. If anything, simply amused and slightly irked.
Re-read my second post to Horgen. It wasn’t insulting or touchy in any way. I was actually just answering your question and comments to me. I don’t think it was a gigantic assumption on my part that you were cracking wise a tad in your first posting—again, note the quote I cited above.
Really, Horg, if anyone’s overreacted here, it’s you.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I will now go and insert a foot and a gun i my mouth and slowly push the trigger and dedicate it to Randall who showed me what im worth.
…why did my mom give birth to me…..
XoXo
February 18th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Horgen:
Well there’s no need to get sarcastic…
(ha ha).
But of course, Horgen, if you off yourself, you won’t learn nuthin’!
February 18th, 2009 at 11:36 am
friends?
February 18th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Currie Jean:
Come on. This was just lazy. Honestly. These were not hoaxes…these were CLASSES of hoaxes. Some of them weren’t even hoaxes at all! Number 10, for instance. First of all, this is not famous, or at least not famous enough to warrant a spot on a top 10 list of most famous hoaxes. Secondly, it wasn’t a hoax, as it was never presented as real. Secondly, since when has a tabloid ever pulled off a successful UFO hoax that fooled anybody? And if they have, why isn’t THAT hoax up here, instead of the asinine “sensationalist tabloids?” Lazy, just lazy.
Moving right along, we find the infamous War of the Worlds broadcast. It doesn’t take a person of above-average intelligence to realize that this was not a hoax either. It was a goddamn RADIO BROADCAST that some people mistook for real. It wasn’t a hoax because it was never presented as authentic. Some ignorant fools thought it was real, but thats because they are gullible and have short attention spans.
Next we find Heaven’s Gate/Hale Bopp. Good gravy, are you even aware what the word “hoax” means? It means to intentionally deceive into believe in a false or fraudulent claim. The leader of the Heaven’s Gate cult was not intentionally deceiving anyone. He literally thought there was a UFO following Hale Bopp. I mean, he committed goddamn SUICIDE over his belief. There was no intentional deception at work here, just a crazy cult leader and a bunch of desperate, weak-minded fools following him.
At number 4, we have Roswell. Again, for Pete’s sake, this is NOT a hoax!! Putting aside for the moment the ridiculous Area 51 connection (which has no part in the original story by the way – good detective work, there, Currie), most scholars of the Roswell incident acknowledge there was a gov’t coverup, but it was no hoax. The incident was not intended to intentionally deceive people into believing a UFO had crashed…that’s just what people believed anyway. If a hoax did occur, it was that the gov’t intentionally deceived people into thinking the crashed object was a simple weather balloon, when all historical evidence suggests that it was a high-altitude experimental spy balloon, designed just prior to the cold war to spy on US enemies. If you had just looked for 5 mins on the “teh interwebs,” as you undoubtedly refer to it, you would know this.
Numbers 3 and 2…CLASSES of hoaxes. CLASSES, Currie. And its not been determined that ALL crop circles and ALL photographs of UFOs were intended as hoaxes, or debunked as fake. I’m casting no judgement of their authenticity, but you clearly seem to know the story behind EVERY crop circle and EVERY photograph, enough to say that EVERY single one of them is a hoax. This is just lazy. When you speak of a list of hoaxes, you imply SPECIFICS!!!!!
Lastly…Scientology….really?? Scientology is NOT a UFO hoax. They have a particular belief about extraterrestrials that are whacked out, no doubt. And no doubt L Ron created this story, knowing it was a hoax. But that means that a SPECIFIC BELIEF of scientology is hoax-material, not scientology was a whole. I’m not defending scientology here, from anything except your utter laziness.
Seriously, Currie. Bad form. Lists should take longer than 10 mins. If I put the kind of effort into a list that you put into here, I could scratch my balls and lists would drop off like hairs. This list certainly left a similar taste in my mouth. Next time, how about taking a little pride in your work?
Jfrater: Shame on you, man, for letting material as lazy and slipshod as this to be posted. I’m sure you realize that posting crap like this degrades the overall quality of your website…my question is, why? A list like this could have been SO good. I’m just shocked, really. For someone who writes great lists, I would think you better than most what constitutes an acceptable piece of work.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
The above list was not plagiarizing on Randall. Or I didn’t mean to, anyway.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
SLICKWILLY!!! Where have you been, pal? Good to “see” you.
February 18th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Horgen:
Of course!
Just don’t cross me.
(ha.)
February 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Interesting list, and even more interesting comments.
I love reading the comments, because it gives you more insight on the topic of the list, and also because the comments are hilarious!
Baxter- Haha no, not for meat. It would be awesome to see one though wouldn’t it?
February 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
170 SlickWilly: I could scratch my balls and lists would drop off like hairs. This list certainly left a similar taste in my mouth.
Don’t know about you Slick, but I am unfamiliar with that taste.
February 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
That last comment by Maggot is a perfect example of my comment right above it.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
166. Randall
“I don’t even BELIEVE in ufos (as extraterrestrial spacecraft that is).”
That pretty much sums it up. I’ve spent years thinking about it, since I was seven years old and believed in such things.
Here’s one reason why.
The famous formula, E=mc2(squared), the equivalency of mass and energy, where the speed of light is the constant – could be rearranged to c2=E/m, I know there are people who would argue that mathematically this is not proper – but I’m simply making a very important point. The distance a craft would have to travel and the time of transit, dependent on velocity, can be thought of in terms of energy. To move a mass across an enormous distance at a speed that would make it logistically practical would involve such an enormous amount of energy that there is no known or theoretical way that this could be achieved.
Sorry for all you Trekies out there – there is no warp drive, it’s fictional, doesn’t exist. As to how you can get around this fundamental physical law – suppositions don’t count, suppose all you want, but never to be seriously considered – theories about time space warps and BS worm holes are not really theories unless you want to throw common sense out. (more “why not” thinking). There are no alien spacecraft visiting Earth because they simply can’t get here. Technology cannot override physical law of this magnitude.
Life elsewhere – no doubt about it, stable atmosphere and temperature, ample solvent and reagents, luck of a long duration – chemistry. Life is a self sustaining chemical reaction. On Earth it took on in the form organic polymerization. Intelligence is an survival adaptation – should eventually come about.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
@Davo. You have no right to deny what people have seen. Aliens obviously hate you and can’t be bothered to show themselves to you. I would love your explanation of hundreds of lights above my town in the 90’s.
“Oh they were military operations, or flares, or planes or helicopters.”
Being unable to prove something does not disprove it, as some “fools” may claim.
February 18th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Nice list, disappointed at number 4 – Roswell was not a hoax, nor is Area 51.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I believe in extraterrestrial life, but not that they are visiting us in oval shaped ships. Or that they are very advanced humanoid lifeforms.
Perhaps there is a primitive culture of weird looking things out there, or not all that primitive, but the rest it´s myth, and you are killing you own neurons blindly believing it without putting some though on it.
February 18th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
#179. TEX
WELL SAID! Logical and fact based. I love it.
I think a lot of the issue with being unable to comprehend interstellar space travel, is that people’s minds just simply cannot fathom the sheer magnitude of distance and size, including myself. We are limited to “our” understanding of size based on our environment; Earth.
I love Dawkins reasoning that most matter is made up of empty space when you consider the relative distance between a nucleus and its electrons. When you hold a rock in your hand, you’re holding mostly empty space. It’s hard to put it into terms our brain will accept. The same can be said for large bodies or distances. Once you get into the billions and trillions of light years, it’s no longer distance, it’s just a description.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Aren’t skeptics supposed to be open minded?
February 18th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
182. Skydiver:…I love Dawkins reasoning that most matter is made up of empty space when you consider the relative distance between a nucleus and its electrons. When you hold a rock in your hand, you’re holding mostly empty space….
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That was always a fact that amazed me to the point of near holiness. When two people have sex, they really do become one being. We are that loosely packed, atomically. It takes making love to a whole new level.
February 18th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
“#183. Crimanon
Aren’t skeptics supposed to be open minded?”
I am open-minded Crimanon; to any and all claims. But if you can’t provide evidence to substantiate the claim, I’m not going to automatically default to the “believe” position.
That’s how the world works.
I’m also open-minded to the fact that I could be wrong and UFO’s have visited our planet, or that there is a god, or gods or that psychics can see the future, but I have yet to see any evidence, therefore it’s very likely that they don’t exist. If only the people who DO believe in these things could be open-minded enough to think that THEY could be wrong, then perhaps we could get somewhere, however, they rarely ever do.
February 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
aside from all the detractors (but legitimate and obvious arguments)
and some of the glancing over of details in the list
and the wrong choice of title, I enjoyed the read, all the same.
puts me in the mood….oooohh yeh.
wait a second. come to think of it.
Having not yet seen a response from “Contributor: Currie Jean” , or even remember ever seeing “Currie Jean” as a commentor.
And it seems that the editor/creator of this site has but entered one (just one) curt and cute respose early on within the publication of this list.
Is it possible that this list may be a hoa-
February 18th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Skydiver:
I actually took a logic-based college course called “Belief in Wierd Things,” (here is the course syllabus if you are interested in exploring the topics we covered http://www.uncg.edu/~mjkane/files/Psy318Syllabus.pdf). Basically, the course emphasizes the importance of science—most importantly by highlighting the holes in pseudosciences.
Basically, I’m saying this because I want to commend you on your defense against these morons. It’s sad that they are completely unaware how ignorant they seem to an educated person.
February 18th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Skydiver: You I didn’t have a problem with. Tex was actually my target. you just happened to be the last, slightly pessimistic, post in relation to my comment. As far as defaulting to “believe”, why not just default to curiosity?
Tex: “To move a mass across an enormous distance at a speed that would make it logistically practical would involve such an enormous amount of energy that there is no known or theoretical way that this could be achieved.”; Do you think that We Mere Humans know all of the rules? Let alone all of the rules that pertain to Space?
Those were Mighty pretty words that you used there; but something tells me that you weren’t the first to think of them and I don’t think you’ll be the last to misquote a Real Scientist.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Thank you Josh, but always remember, people with moronic beliefs aren’t necessarily morons; they truly believe their claim, but they usually believe it for the wrong reasons. What an interesting course that must have been. The outline is right up my alley!
Crimanon, I’m probably the most curious person you would ever meet, but I am certainly not credulous. Credulity breeds exploitation. I won’t easily believe in extra-terrestrial visitation just as I won’t easily believe that I can make $50,000 a month simply by “Purchasing Our Get-Rich-Now Package!”. I don’t appreciate being taken advantage of or being duped, unless it’s by a magician who isn’t claiming his tricks are anything more than illusion.
I was once curious about UFO’s and even thought it may be logical that they could visit. The more I learned about the topic and the more I adopted logic to base my beliefs on it, the more I realized how unlikely it is that UFO’s visit Earth. There. After considering the evidence, or lack thereof, I concluded that until stronger evidence is presented, I will continue to believe that UFO’s have not visited the Earth. What a novel concept. It works in most justice systems around the world, every day. I’m certain even you would adopt this method of thinking if you were presented an extraordinary claim.
If I told you I had the ability to walk through walls, what would be your response? Would you ask to see evidence, or would you just assume that I have that amazing power? Would you be confident enough in my abilities -without seeing them- to tell people of the man who can walk through walls? I think not. The first thing you would say is “Alright then, do it.” Don’t be so quick to castigate a skeptic when -dependent on the claim being made- we are ALL skeptics.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I’d love to see some one walk through walls! I don’t have the ability but I Don’t hold out the possibility the there may be a Non-Geller-esque individual out there might. For sure I’d be laughing my ass off up until you knocked on the front door to be let back in. I too have to se it to believe it.
So I stand by my belief that there maybe something that has visited us. I can only see so many things before I start looking for the truth.
Josh: “It’s sad that they are completely unaware how ignorant they seem to an educated person.” Because you’re the best person here! Top of the food chain, Game, and Professional field? Don’t be so high and mighty.
Psyc. Major? Dear god say no. There are enough scientists and doctors out there who believe Psychology is a pseudo-science and if That were true not only are you too, a moron but also a failure at debate.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Personally, I think there very well could be–and probably are–aliens somewhere, and science fiction conventions aside, if we ever encountered any, they would actually be pretty wise to blow us smithereens, or just leave us alone.
I just dont think our civilizations are prepared for an encounter with alien life, with our narrow ideologies and almost inherent xenophobia, we would probably not be able to relate, and the PR groups that would be representing humanity–churches, governments, etc, would simply not be prepared to obey, in Star Trek terms, The Prime Directive, and either pervert their own way of life and adopt ours, or influence them to destroy us. We have anthropologists and sociologists, but I’m just not sure we are prepared for an encounter with something that is both similar and entirely different from anything we have ever known.
February 18th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Wow I got ahead of my self on that.
……That there maybe a Non-Geller-esque individual that might.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
the second i saw Scientology as number one, i knew these comments were gunna get ugly.
why argue over religion? it’s so pointless. you will never agree, so stop.
February 18th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
To jfrater: lol I think exactly the same about alieans lol I also think they are humans from the future
February 19th, 2009 at 6:03 am
Just thought I’d point out, it’s not OT 7 for Xenu, it’s OT 3. Also, Scientology only claims to be a religion in countries where it’s beneficial. In places like China, Japan and Israel they shout louder than anyone else that they aren’t a religious group. I’d agree with Katiebug, but Scientology are no more a religion than Microsoft.
February 19th, 2009 at 8:27 am
The HEAVENS GATE,HALE,BOPP hoax turned deady for many who acuialy belived it all
February 19th, 2009 at 9:05 am
the roswell thing wasnt a hoax, it was a crashed weather balloon or something. people were juat paranoid cos it was at the time of the cold war and evryone was paranoid about everything.
February 19th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Jeez, people… It’s only a list, get over it
February 19th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Crimanon:
“Psyc. Major? Dear god say no. There are enough scientists and doctors out there who believe Psychology is a pseudo-science and if That were true not only are you too, a moron but also a failure at debate.”
Yes, I am a psychology major—and yes, there are individuals who will claim that psychology is a pseudoscience. However, these individuals have most likely failed to do the research themselves.
Psychology is a relatively new field compared to physics, biology, or chemistry; because of its youth, it falsely gets categorized as a pseudoscience. As I am cordially being brief, I will explain a little of psychology’s history. It originated as a discipline in philosophy and has refined itself by way of using empirical evidence that follows the scientific method. For example, anecdotal introspection was replaced with questionnaires, questionnaires were advanced with current electro-physiological testing (e.g., fMRI), and electro-physiological testing was accompanied by the advancement of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Illness (currently in its fourth edition). Of course, not all psychology is clinical; there is cognitive, behavioral, biological, developmental, social, and industrial/organization.
All in all, it’s a good rule of thumb that any discipline that follows the scientific method in a valid manner shall not be considered “pseudoscientific.”
So, Crimanon, I see why you believe in what scientists would call pseudoscientific claims—please read further:
You have obviously not evaluated the claims that “psychology is a pseudoscience,” but you are ready to site their opinions without having done the research yourself. It is no doubt that you, sir, are a prime target for pseudosciences. You take the claim of some guru to suffice as your evidence (i.e., the “doctors” and “scientists” you mentioned that have the claim that psychology is pseudoscientific).
In order for your opinions or beliefs to hold value, they must be YOUR opinions or beliefs in which you have adopted systematically. For example, if you are a democrat because your parents are democrats, then you have not systematically adopted this political belief. However, if you have fully educated yourself on all political sides and agree more with the democratic party, then you have sufficiently and systematically built your OWN political preference.
The same goes for ANY claim. A formidable tool in assessing a claim is to question whether or not it has followed the scientific method to arrive at its conclusion. The first place you should look is not some website. Try finding a reputable peer-reviewed journal.
Lastly, Crimanon, I only offer sound and logical advice. If you decide to adopt it, that is your gain—and I hope that you do. If you decide to further argue your case without having followed the simple rules of detecting pseudosciences, then you very well may sound like a moron to an educated person.
P.S. – Do a google search on FiLCHeRS—a great tool for the detection of pseudoscientific claims.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Walter Haut, the Public Information Officer at Roswell, left a sworn notarized affidavit to be opened upon his death, that the Roswell crash was real, and there were alien bodies….so….unless you are willing to call a dead man who served this Country faithfully his entire life, a liar, then you must admit the truth.
This site, as usual did not do their homework, did not do any orginal research, and is just passing on what someone else has already said.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Douglas Gray:
Truth is not made affirmative by one individual—the only truth about one individual’s claim (if not supported by empirical evidence) is that it is an anecdote. Any given individual may have delusions or might have had an “alien abduction experience”—which scientists have concluded is actually the medical phenomenon of “sleep paralysis.”
So, you’re saying that just because one man’s “experience” says otherwise, we should abandon all other claims? You, sir, need to do your homework on rationality and reasoning.
February 19th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Dear Josh:
Mr. Haut is one of many, many credible witnessess giving the same story. If it had been a murder trial, it would have been “guilty beyong a reasonable doubt”
I majored in mathematics in college graduating with high honors, so I know something about rationality. Mr. Haut never claimed to have an abduction experience. And he was not delusional. Why do you introduce concepts which have nothing to do with this case?
Of course, his testimony alone wouldn’t do. But there were countless other witnesses and plenty of empirical evidence.
When Stalin read the “weather balloon” he basically said damn it, the Americans got the alien technology” He was much less gullible than you!!
February 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Douglas Gray:
A collection of personal experieces is, in fact, a collection of anecdotes.
That is why I brought up the alien abductions. You can find a slew of people who have had similar experiences in which they all claim it was an alien abduction. This collectivism does not suffice as empirical evidence, just as the collective notions of seeing aliens in Area 51 does not suffice as empirical evidence. However, if someone clipped a piece of ear off one of the specimens of alien they witnessed, we would be able to perform a genetic analysis—a true form of empirical evidence.
Oh, and where did you get the notion that I’m gullible? I consider myself a skeptic.
February 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
“ There is nothing new except what has been forgotten” – Marie Antoinette
189. Crimanon
Tex: “To move a mass across an enormous distance at a speed that would make it logistically practical would involve such an enormous amount of energy that there is no known or theoretical way that this could be achieved.”… Those were Mighty pretty words that you used there…
Well thank you very much – as they are my own original unadulterated words, and I’m not quoting or misquoting anybody. I was simply typing in my thoughts, and without checking any other sources to copy or reword. The math is at most sixth grade level, and I did choose my wording carefully.
For instance – “logistically practical “
Logistics – the management of the flow of goods, information, resources, including energy and people, between the point of origin and the point of ****
Practical – adapted or designed for actual use
Get the meaning?
Just stressing the point, as it relates to extraterrestrial visitors – distance can be equated to energy.
E=mc2 results in some enormous energy numbers. No way around it.
But hey – what ever floats your boat – with my super skeptical approach, man I can spot BS way before I have to smell it!
oh and – nice josh
February 19th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
“203. douglas gray
Of course, his testimony alone wouldn’t do. But there were countless other witnesses and plenty of empirical evidence.”
Awesome!! Let’s have it Douglas! Provide us with the empirical evidence.
This is what I’ve been waiting for!
February 19th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
empiricism is not allowed as a foundation in science – only in philosophy
February 19th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
TEX:
Isn’t science a philosophy? Might the notion of collecting empirical evidence to substantiate claims be a philosophy? I believe so. Empiricism is not only allowed to be a foundation of science, it IS the foundation of science. Without empiricism, we only have one word against the next, which is pure chaos.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
I just want say a few things first the roswell test dummies didnt exsist untill the 50’s so how could 1 be in a weather ballon years earlier?As far as aliens not being able to traveel to this planet is kinda of stupid.Sounds like when people didnt believe that anti matter exsist,you might want to open your mind and shut your mouth.The posibility of aliens is far greater than you might think.I know there are thousands of hoax photos and aubductions.but remember great apes were a myth untill the early 20th century.We as a people think we are the smartest or most intelligent but in reality we are very closed minded.
February 19th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Josh
You forced me to look and it would appear that we are, ironically, both right, depending on grammar.
Empiricism, the noun, is a theory used solely in philosophy. Changing it to the adverb, empirical, flips it over to the realm of scientific theory.
Go figure.
But your not going to invite me to the marriage of science and philosophy – don’t approve or believe in that wedding, and when ask – show just cause why the couple should not be “united in holy matrimony, speak now or forever hold your peace” buddy watch me jump up screaming OH HELL NO NO NO!!
February 19th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Tex:
WHOA there, buckaroo… let’s not jump at conclusions about what’s possible and not possible in physics. That’s just pure silliness. Sure, at our present level of knowledge regarding physics, it appears to us that interstellar travel in time frames that would make it worthwhile is nigh on impossible, but we’ve only had knowledge of such things for, oh, say the last few hundred years (depending on how you look at it–even a shorter period of time if you wanna get strict about it)… so let’s not get all high and mighty about what might be possible for a civilization that’s, say, 10,000 or a million years more advanced than us.
I base my belief that UFOs are NOT extraterrestrial in A) Occam’s razor, which to me says they’re earthbound craft/objects/etc…. and B) on the idea that assuming a civilization IS that more advanced than us (it’s far less likely that they’d be only a few hundred years beyond us, statistically speaking) then it’s highly doubtful that they’d be interested in us and even possible that they wouldn’t recognize as an an intelligent species from their point of view.
The objects people report seeing/encountering often seem to exhibit out-of-this-world characteristics–but when you think about it, they aren’t THAT “out of this world.” In point of fact, it seems to me that a technology capable of making the trip would be capable of making itself totally invisible to us. And yet these things get seen and leave the occasional bits of (admittedly questionable) evidence behind. Sure, okay, there’s the argument that maybe they WANT to be seen, just not en masse, but I find that notion a tad contrived. It still strikes me that a culture advanced enough to come here wouldn’t do it in funky little flying saucers or imposing stealthy triangles or big white eggs or whatever. In fact, it makes about zero sense that they would.
Of course, space is also vast, and there’s no particular reason to think that they would have found us or even recognized our world as inhabited. But to me the answer is far simpler: if there’s intelligence out there, the likelihood is that they’re FAR in advance of us–on the order of hundreds of thousands of years–or just as likely millions–and so they would perhaps view us as we view a lower order of animal–maybe a trifle interesting, but intelligent? Not by the standards they’d be used to, no way.
And whose to say that an intelligence that advanced couldn’t find all sorts of ways, via physics, to traverse the stars? There are elements of string theory that suggest all manner of things are possible, including travel through dimensions and even time. WE may be expecting spaceships—but THEY are probably as far past “spaceships” as we’re past the worms that crawl in the mud.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Oh dear, I agree with an entire post by Randall. Well said, that man.
February 19th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Josh: Relax, Psychology is necessary, not arguing with you on that. It fascinates me actually.
My point was your attempt at disproving something. You tried to argue something that can be called false (UFOS) with something that can be called “Crap (psychology)” not the greatest thing i’ve seen in awhile but it was a slip in debate tactics none the less.
I, Once again, see that Randall has taken the words out of my mouth.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Randall:
K-Pax is just a movie—slow down on adopting its notions.
First, you must acknowledge the miraculous circumstances that allows Earth to be, well, Earth. 4.4 billion years ago, Earth was nothing but a mass of scorched rubble. Another planet, Theia, collided with Earth to begin the formation of what we know as our planet. It is considerably coincidental that our planet orbits the sun in a proximity that supports life. It is also valuable for huge planets like Jupiter to orbit relatively close to us. These planets have a greater force of gravity that attract meteorites, asteroids, and comets from crashing into Earth.
Collectively, these phenomena have allowed for the complexity of life. It’s taken billions of years for a species to develop to our capability—a capability that has given way to a technological revolution. However, it is nonsense to think way “outside the box” and imagine the existence of a being that has technology well being our capabilities. Why? Because the evidence for such a notion is just as substantial as the evidence that God exists—we have not yet been introduced to methodologies that allow us to explore topics that aren’t operationally defined. Thus, an arguement about such abstract notions as a “species that is millions of years more advanced than us” belongs in a philosophy class—where additional abstract topics are explored, such as “what is the meaning of life,” or “does God exist?” Leave scientific talk to scientists.
It’s good to think outside the box in moderation, but take caution in making “scientific-esque” claims beyond what’s yet in our realm of capability.
February 19th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
typo – “beyond our capabilities” instead of “being our capabilities”
February 19th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Crimanon:
Psychology can be called “crap” just like anything else. Just because there is a collection of people who fail to support a discipline does not make it “crap.” If that was the case, then every discipline would be screwed.
Take, for example, an assumption that most people have: Most of us assume that everyone believes that the Earth is round. However, there are plenty of people who call that notion “crap.”
Don’t believe me? Visit this website.
February 19th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
randall-
first off, i skimmed the comments to get down here, i’m going to go back over them later, so forgive me missing any fine points in this comment.
but it seems somehow this is a semantic argument brought on by the title of jamie’s list.
because there is a theme to this list, it’s just that a strict definition of “UFO hoaxes” doesn’t seem to encompass it (this is evident in the fact that almost every one of jamie’s entries is explained in the caption in terms of what we must do it to relate it back to our understanding of what a “UFO hoax” is!)
perhaps something like “the human psychology behind UFO hoaxes (or experiences?)” or “how and why UFO hoaxes occur,” or even “what is a UFO hoax? what have they meant in human history?”
-now none of those are catchy titles, so i understand why they weren’t chosen, but i really think the title and subsequent assumption of what the list “means” is the root problem.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:08 am
Still waiting for that empirical evidence Doug… don’t leave me hangin’ like Soulcatcher did. He must still be reading through the reliable resources I provided. Good thing he’s not too lazy to do some research.
How ’bout it Douglas?… When you gonna crack the lid off this thing? I have a lot of friends who would love to see that evidence.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Well said! $cientology kills!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Randall – didn’t mean to associate your line with my post specifically.
Unfortunately my psyche is anchored in reality, and the way my logic works in my mind, it requires factual info, at least as I perceive what is factual. Don’t think for one second that I would believe the universe is centered around the human race – no, no.
Other civilizations achieving greater, more complex (simpler), and vastly different technologies?
Without a doubt.
Technologies to overcome time and space?
Well of course there are many technological advances that will be made In the future for us and probably already have been developed by more advanced civilizations.
But with what is currently known as what I consider law, physical law, overcoming time and dimension is outside the envelope (cone) of knowable – and I accept that, some things are unknowable. But I refuse to let the unknowable become a fountain of supposed possibilities – that is a luxury I can’t allow myself.
But you did touch upon a valid point – what in the world makes some people believe that another civilization would find some value in coming here? (I will stay away from the ass fetish theories)
So back to the human-centric mind set that these people have. What audacity! Their imaginary aliens have human form!
Did it ever occur to them that life in other places might take a form that would be incomprehensible to humans, perhaps to the point where it couldn’t even be recognized as living?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Josh:
Simmer down, punk, and listen up. You make a LOT of blithe assumptions, and it’s funny that, seeming to be the knowledgeable sort, no one ever taught you–and you apparently never learned on your own–that making assumptions of a blithe nature isn’t the smartest way to start a conversation.
Now:
A) I’ve never seen “K-Pax.” I don’t get my scientific views from movies. Do you?
B) I “must” acknowledge nothing, regarding the so-called “miraculous” circumstances that allows life to exist on our planet. Are we lucky? Sure. But we don’t even know, as of yet, that life could ONLY have come into being on Earth—it’s still possible that it could have begun on Mars as well, and there is even the possibility of life on other bodies in our solar system.
C) And by the way, don’t presume to give me astronomy lessions, Josh. You can trust that I have a great deal of knowledge on the subject. I’ve been a stargazer since childhood, studied it in college, and work at a local planetarium/observatory.
I’m not even QUITE sure what point you’re trying to make–namely because I think you’re caught up with being impressed with your own words, and forgetting to make sense out of them.
“It’s taken billions of years for a species to develop to our capability—a capability that has given way to a technological revolution.”
You think so, eh? And what makes you so sure that we are oh-so advanced, in terms that the cosmos would recognize, Josh? We possess language, yes. But we don’t even know, as of yet, that we can completely discount other species on our planet from possessing the same thing. We make tools, yes, and modify our environment—but again, other species on our very own planet also do both. Of course, yes, we do all this on far grander scale. To OUR eyes, we appear as evolutionary giants even next to our closest relatives in the primate family. But we have absolutely no knowledge of what yardstick life in the cosmos is measured by.
“However, it is nonsense to think way “outside the box” and imagine the existence of a being that has technology well being our capabilities. Why? Because the evidence for such a notion is just as substantial as the evidence that God exists”
This is a bad comparison of apples and oranges. Or rather, one might say, it’s a bad mixture of analogies. “God” is not something we can reasonably expect to ever find hard evidence for. “God” is, in fact, a non-scientific concept. But “Life” out in the universe is nowhere near such an impossible thing to explore and examine. To begin with, we have the evidence of life on our very own planet, which has existed for billions of years. Furthermore, we are now more confident than ever that the basic materials which lead to “our” KIND of life are common in the universe. Statistically, we know that the within the GIGANTIC number of stars in the universe, it is BY NO MEANS unreasonable to expect that life will have evolved on a great number of them—the philosophical/scientific argument is simply about how many. As our observations increase, we learn more, and will someday zero in on this number more closely. The same CANNOT be said for “god” as a concept or a thing.
As for intelligent life—we begin with the simple choice as to whether it has evolved elsewhere, or hasn’t. If it hasn’t, well there you go then—problem solved, and we know we’re alone in the cosmos and there is therefore no such thing as ufos of an extraterrestrial origin.
But if intelligent life HAS evolved elsewhere–then the next question is, statistically—where would it stand in relation to us on the evolutionary scale and/or on the scale of technology? And STATISICALLY speaking, it is far more likely that such intelligent life would have evolved LONG before us, because the universe is more than 13 billion years old, and we know that we can safely assume that our own sun is therefore at least a third-generation star. But a SECOND generation star could have produced a system of planets around us with the elements necessary for life. And given the age of the universe and its size, there have been a staggering number of such stars. Not to mention the staggering number of third generation stars possessing a stable nature like our own sun.
Now yes, it’s true–we haven’t the foggiest notion if life–let alone INTELLIGENT life–has come into being anywhere else in the universe. But it would present enormous problems, scientifically, if we could somehow find out that it hadn’t. But leave that aside. It isn’t the question we were addressing here. The question we’re addressing is the extraterrestrial hypothesis about ufos. And as I said earlier, in addressing that question, we have a choice right at the start–do we play the game with the idea that life DID start elsewhere in the universe, or do we say that it didn’t? If it didn’t, the game is over in regards to this question (about ufos). If we choose to say it did, then we have other questions to answer beyond that—and my answer is every bit as valid–and in fact I think more so—than others that say that extraterrestrials COULD be and WOULD be visiting us.
In short, Josh, you just aren’t making any kind of cogent argument. You’re calling my statements “philosophy” (well no shit) as though that somehow invalidates them. But worse, you haven’t made clear why anything I said should even be discarded or treated LESS seriously THAN ANY OTHER GUESSING GAME about life in the universe.
“—we have not yet been introduced to methodologies that allow us to explore topics that aren’t operationally defined.”
Well first of all, this is bullshit. Your statement is true if we wish to form an actual theory from a hypothesis, but we’re not doing that. But we ARE giving ourselves certain concrete facts to work with:
1) life DID evolve on the Earth, and we have NO reason to believe it couldn’t have done so elsewhere under similar favorable conditions.
2) the universe has existed, we now believe, for nearly 14 billion years. Time enough for the elements which we believe are necessary for life to have been “manufactured” in the deaths and explosions of generations of stars (I was referring, earlier, to STABLE stars like our sun–but these elements don’t require stable stars to form). It is therefore NOT an unreasonable assumption that said elements have existed in the universe for a VERY long time.
3) We have NO reason to believe that life evolves at the same rate throughout the cosmos as it evolved here on earth. It could be faster or slower. STATISTICALLY speaking we can say that it probably evolved at any number of speeds—assuming in the first place that it HAS done so, elsewhere other than the earth.
I could go on and on. We DO have loose parameters to start with. AND we are not making THEORIES here—we’re simply doing the most rudimentary hypothesizing.
“Leave scientific talk to scientists.”
And so YOU make the assumption that I am NOT a scientist and haven’t studies science? Is that it?
See Josh, you basically said I went beyond the pale in my statements. BUT THERE IS NO STANDARD HERE. So your statement is nullified and nonsensical. Because it would have to assume that there is a “more reasonable” level of “guessing” to make about life in the universe–and in fact, Josh, there isn’t.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Tex:
“Did it ever occur to them that life in other places might take a form that would be incomprehensible to humans, perhaps to the point where it couldn’t even be recognized as living?”
Precisely. My thoughts exactly.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
apologies,
i thought this was a jfrater list, i now see the contributer is “Currie Jean.” that said, i still think the list is titled incorrectly. and the heaven’s gate cult was only a hoax if the leaders knowingly deceived their followers into believing they were dying to reach a UFO. if you’ve watched their videos they seem damn sincere and they died too. this makes them mistaken (assuming there was no UFO) not hoaxers.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Io: Rookie mistake, we forgive you though.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Randall:
I feel like I’ve just read a book after reading your comments. I do apologize for making any assumptions about you—you seem to know your stuff. Relating back to your original post, where you said:
“In point of fact, it seems to me that a technology capable of making the trip would be capable of making itself totally invisible to us.”
I feel like this is taking it a bit too far. It is an interesting notion, but a notion that seems too much like a fantasy to me rather than something within the realm of possibility.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Crimanon! There you are! Have you joined the Flat Earth Society yet?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Don’t lump me with those shut-ins. Your imagination is burnt and you would be a waste of coffee house chatter.
I can just see you now, Stoned out of your gourd staring into the sky Marveling at the stars thinking to yourself, “Wow, I wish I could do that with my farts!” Instead you’re here trying to talk believers and non-believers into the narrow corridor of Earthcetricity, while calling others Flat earthers. You could use a good toke.
Randall has being doing his Usual Fine job of making you look “small in the brain”. He’s better with his words than I am.
Randall: I owe you some drinks.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Crimanon: You obviously got my comment to you out of context.
Read it again:
Crimanon:
Psychology can be called “crap” just like anything else. Just because there is a collection of people who fail to support a discipline does not make it “crap.” If that was the case, then every discipline would be screwed.
Take, for example, an assumption that most people have: Most of us assume that everyone believes that the Earth is round. However, there are plenty of people who call that notion “crap.”
Don’t believe me? Visit this website.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
#225 josh: “It is an interesting notion, but a notion that seems too much like a fantasy to me rather than something within the realm of possibility.” Which was in regard to the possibility that if an alien race visited here they could feasibly do it invisibly.
That got me thinking and I remembered this article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7553061.stm
There’s a link to the professor’s UC Berkeley homepage with the BBC article, and here’s a link to the letter in Nature to which the article refers:
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v455/n7211/full/nature07247.html
It’s true that right now invisibility and cloaking devices are still in the realm of science fiction. However they’re actively working on developing the technologies and getting closer all the time – the theory is there it just seems to be a case of refinement. I guess if we can almost do it, a considerably more advanced race capable of travelling across the universe would likely have that capability also.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Josh: ” You obviously got my comment to you out of context.” as well.
I Resorted To Fart Jokes! I have no more interest in you.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
haha, that’s a mutual feeling.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
WHERE’S MY ROSWELL EVIDENCE?!!!
This happens every time.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Thanks for that Spange. Interesting reads.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:13 am
The Berkley article is crap. The Press blew that one of of proportion. Call me on it, go ahead, If you know about the work done at Duke, you know this to be true. On a related note, Jack Mock one of the guys at Duke who worked on the project is actually a good friend of mine.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am
http://www.metamaterials.duke.edu/publications/broadband-non-resonant-metamaterial-used-ground-plane-cloaking
Great links in there too.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:29 am
I wasn’t picking up on one over the other – I am in no way qualified to comment on the relative merits of those studies. That BBC article was just one I remembered reading. My only intention in posting it was to show that cloaking devices are not entirely out of the realm of future possibility; so, if another race had for whatever unfathomable reason decided to travel across millions of lightyears to visit Earth it very much is within the realm of possibility that they could do it in such a way that we couldn’t detect their presence. I hadn’t heard about the studies at Duke so thank you for the link.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:07 am
Well done! great list and Scientology is the biggest fraud!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Spange, no prob. My friend and I had a nice long discussion about the existence of that article. In the end he owed me a beer. Next in my list of Duke related adventures, “The Dive”, Neat!
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Mmm, somewhat goes off the topic with Scientology & cults, etc…
I wonder if people have seen the glypic crop circle? Where you see a shaded, three dimensional crop circle of an E.T. holding a glpyh with a message in binary? All done in one night. Pretty impressive.
What about the video released by the Mexican Government showing 11 *Count them*, 11 UFO’s flying in formation across Mexican airspace.
Then there’s the countless NASA UFO sightings/videos… It goes on & on!
To say we’re alone in the universe is to say the Earth is flat.
February 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Yes Luke i have seen the Mexican footage and i do think there are other life forms in the universe besides the small minded ones who live on this planet.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 am
Crimanon:
No problem pal. And I prefer gin and tonics.
February 23rd, 2009 at 8:35 am
Skydiver
- I think your evidence guy is over on “the moon landing was a fake” thread
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:17 am
Josh:
You’re still making about zero sense, Josh. I think the problem is that you’re just a deeply unimaginative individual with a pretty narrow field of vision. I mean, sorry… but I honestly get that vibe from you, reading what you’ve written here.
What, after all, is so difficult to grasp, so “fantasy-like,” about the notion of a highly advanced culture being able to study our species without tipping their hand to us, without making themselves known? We do it all the time when studying the ephemera in a drop of water, as well as with the more complex animals in the world around us. Why should we expect to be any more aware of a higher species studying us than an ameoba is aware of YOU when you put your eyes to a microscope? Suppose we granted to an ameoba what we would call “intelligence.” Would it really be aware it was being watched by creatures thousands upon thousands of times its own size? Would it even, indeed, be aware of such creatures at all?
You took my use of the word “invisibility” to literally, perhaps, but then again, as someone pointed out, we’re already making strides towards the realization of a certain kind of “invisibility.” It may be a long way off, and may indeed be impossible. But then again, as I pointed out, we don’t need to make ourselves known to study the other forms of life on our own planet–and we won’t need to make ourselves known in order to study life on other worlds, should we find it exists. Suppose, for instance, there was intelligent life, on, say, Mars. And suppose it was just behind us in terms of technological development—say, at a stage before the invention of the telescope. Do you doubt that we could send probes to study Mars at a distance–from orbit—that could tell us a great deal about such beings, and indeed, watch their every move. But of course we could do that–in fact, the Mars Global Surveyor RIGHT NOW is capable of detailed study of the surface from orbit–it does so daily. It isn’t hard to imagine a more sophisticated orbiter that could study Mars, and its hypothetical inhabitants, even more closely. We’d have the technology to do so RIGHT NOW.
What is so difficult, then, about imagining a culture FAR more advanced than our own, at present—and imagining that such a culture would have its own ways of observing us unseen?
No, Josh—I get the feeling that you’re just here to be argumentative and difficult, and to make it worse, you don’t have any intellectual grounding on which to stand—you’re just a naysayer lacking in imagination.
The fact is that nothing I’ve said is outside the realms of science. What we today can accomplish in our humdrum daily lives would appear as magic to our ancestors of only a few thousand years ago. But we know it isn’t “magic” at all. It’s simple science. Science isn’t boundless, no. But we’re nowhere near its limits—we’ve only just begun. There is nothing magical or fantasy-oriented in thinking about a species that has had a lot more time than we’ve had, to delve into the possibilities that science offers.
We wouldn’t be hard to fool or hide from, Josh. If you think otherwise, you’re just an egotist with a small mind.
February 23rd, 2009 at 1:09 pm
(the following is admittedly copied and should be considered tougue and cheek)
Arthur c. Clark formulated the following three “laws” of prediction:
1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
TEX’s 47th law – there is a shitload more impossible than possible
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Randall: Good, Easier on my wallet.
TEX: Three is paraphrased, but the idea is there.
February 23rd, 2009 at 3:40 pm
admitedly copied – WIKI world
but interestingly he said he only added it to round out the list to three, two was too thin, and now it’s the one he’s known for
February 24th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
should those kids in # 1 be using glue guns?
March 8th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
To believe that UFOs in general are hoaxes does show lack of information. Skeptics use as much false science and assumptions as the die hard believer. I’ve read comments here that UFOs are only seen in the United States. This is completely wrong. Almost every country in the world has had sightings. It’s been said that UFOs have only been seen in modern times. This too is completely wrong as they’ve been reported throughout all of man’s history. To say crop circles are hoaxes perpetrated by two Englishmen is completely wrong. They’ve been reported in Canada, the US, South America, Africa and all over Asia. Not much chance those two made them all. To close one’s mind to the unknown is just sad. I’ll leaver you with one question, “If nothing happened in Roswell in July 1947, why won’t the US government release all the information surrounding an incident that took place over 60 yeas ago?”
April 4th, 2009 at 4:15 am
The man who wrote this article should kill himself what about ancient cultures??? what about all the videos? all the witnesses around the globe???? I hope someone fired you and dont let you write again you piece of shit..garbage
April 4th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Hey, jfr, hows the sel-moderation working out?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Segue: Apparently much better than yours. 500 comments like the one you are referring to is preferable to the clique mentality that was being fostered previously. I would also request that you read the comment from advice here. http://listverse.com/food/10-odd-superstitions-about-food/
There are also a couple threads in the forums devoted to this very topic.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
248. lab: The man who wrote this article should kill himself what about ancient cultures??? what about all the videos? all the witnesses around the globe???? I hope someone fired you and dont let you write again you piece of shit..garbage
249. segue: Hey, jfr, hows the sel-moderation working out?
250. Mom424: Segue: Apparently much better than yours. 500 comments like the one you are referring to is preferable to the clique mentality that was being fostered previously.
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So you think that telling people they ought to be murdered is just hunky-dorey, but telling someone their grammar is wanting is a crime?
I beg to differ. None of us ever called anyone a piece of shit or garbage; the poster above does. None of us ever said we wanted someone murdered. The poster above did.
I think someone needs to rethink their priorities just a bit. Soon.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Segue: I don’t think you understand. A comment like the one you referenced by someone who is not a regular contributor to the site is easily dismissed. Newer people will see it, see a name they haven’t noticed before, and think “Meh, just an idiot who doesn’t represent the views of most on the site.” Then they see regular contributors, names that they have probably seen several times on just one list, making derogatory comments based on differences in opinion or grammatical issues and they are likely to feel that this is representative of the people on this site. These people will probably never comment and some may never come back again. That may be what you want but it does not help the site to grow.
Now, to say that “none of us” (another instance of this click mentality) has ever called someone a piece of shit or garbage is false. Maybe it wasn’t in those exact words but that kind of name calling has definitely been thrown around by those who should know better. The original poster may never see your comment but the rest of us will. I have been happy to see a shift in some of the comments of late. We should all be encouraging new commentors while continuing to debate and post our own views on this site. Questioning Jamie’s methods on his site is not helpful.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
252. Cheeshygirl: Thank you for your thoughts on this. You pointed out some things I hadn’t thought about, that’s true.
However, I was not questioning Jamie’s methods. I believe what he had in mind, and what came to pass, are two very different things.
Advice had some excellent points to make. I agreed with him all down the line. But people like lab have nothing positive to add to the site.
As to calling people garbage or pieces of shit, can you give me proof of one of us doing so? I said, and continue to say, that we have not done so. Please give me proof of one of us doing that. You said “maybe not in those words”, ok, in whatever words one would use to call someone a piece of shit or garbage. I just want proof. I could be wrong.
But here’s the thing…if people like lab are going to run riot through LV, then I don’t want to be here. I came here because it was a haven for intelligent, rational discussion. If we’re going to lose that to the “lab’s” of the internet, I don’t want to be here.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Funny they include Roswell with the fake stories. I guess this story was written by publisher’s of “Skeptics Magazine.” Too many eye-witness accounts to believe UFOs are a hoax.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
253. Segue
Like it’s been said before, Trolls are only given as much power as you give them. Ignore him, and his post passes like a foul wind.
If you really need an example of a regular being out of line with his comments: Bucslim just last week, your comments telling some people who disagreed that they can fuck off (or something along those lines).
Segue, the fact is, you’re on the internet. If you try and run off all the posters who post once or twice with something irrelevant, the site will die, and you’ll no longer have this place anyway. If you want intelligent discussion free from the random troll post, start topics on the forums, we can keep good control over that area. These comments tend to keep healthy and argumentative too, but you’ll have to settle for a couple repetitive or stupid posts. Besides, like Cheeshy said, there is a 90% chance the people who post like that will never see your reply, because they simply don’t care about this site like you do. That is why you’re a regular, and you should maintain a positive appearance in your posts. You’re the one who makes up this community and keeps up the healthy debating, not him.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
255. Trigun472: Thank you. You’re absolutely correct. I get overly emotional and that’s not good for anyone involved. This place has saved my sanity on more than one occasion, and I’m not willing to let the trollz have a piece of it, but as long as they just have their post and go, I can live with that.
OTOH, I welcome new members wholeheartedly. New people with new ideas, new experiences, new backgrounds…it’s a shot in the arm for us all!
April 5th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
I agree with most of these, especially crop circles. There were real, original crop circles, but they weren’t patterns as they are today, but just plants that were twisted in a counterclockwise pattern after something was sighted lifting off from the area. Some UFOs are real vehicles, plain and simple. I love how debunkers use the SR71 and U2 spy plane to explain away some past sightings, when ironically in reality, the man who designed both planes AND became the head of Lockheed was a true believer that they were extraterrestrial vehicles, and had 2 very clear and distinct daylight sightings of his own in the early 1950’s. Anyone who is skeptical at all needs to read the Project Blue Book file and look at the drawings of the vehicle he and several other military personnel saw as he watched with high powered binoculars, then tell me there’s nothing going on, and I’ll show you 100 more things equally as enigmatic. Here’s a link to scans of the complete and actual report:
http://www.nicap.org/lockufo2.htm
I agree with another poster who said study the information before calling people out. There are “hoaxers” out there, but who’s to say they aren’t black-project funded? Some of these people are so ridiculous in what they do and how they act that they can only be totally insane or are being paid to make morons of themselves.
May 3rd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Been reading around and found that there was another hoax out there. A group who called themselves ‘the new followers’ said they were brand new members to this strange cult. As it turns out it was all a hoax thought up by some “science fiction” writer for publicity reasons. Obviously a very bad joke with poor taste. Thank goodness on another note though. Here we thought there was going to be another “Nike” mass suicide in another mansion somewhere. I guess not. That’s a relief. By the looks of things there are still some ‘ex members’ out there who still go around promoting the cult and its leader while trying to win new recruits. It’s all over the w.w.w. man. Don’t these people have lives? Don’t these people ever learn? Guess not. Maybe they need to get married. Oh that’s right. They’re monks. They are probably castrated so they can’t do that. They don’t look or sound too intelligent if they promote the self inflicted deaths of thirty nine naive individuals. I suppose the world needs their fair share of stupid and mentally handicapped people. They are here to give us a million and one reasons not to be like them.
May 3rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
The hoax I mentioned above was in relation to “heavens gate” who committed mass suicide in the latter nineties with a bunch of mass hysteria behind it. It was run by a closet homosexual and a woman. The homosexual and his wife conned people into killing themselves for a magical “Disney ride” on a space ship around the galaxy and that it would bring them back home by beaming their souls back into their bodies. Sounds like a real dilemma of people whose lights were on but nobody was home. To think that there are survivors who are still going around promoting this kind of weirdness?? Boy they are sure are a sorry bunch of confused society rejects. Did they ever think that their leader could have been schizophrenic all this time? Obviously not. Maybe they’re a little “slow” upstairs. That would explain everything.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I loved the Weekly World News. One of my dreams was to write for them, I thought it’d be a kick in the pants. I was very sad when they stopped printing the paper a couple of years ago.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am
I loved the Weekly World News. One of my dreams was to write for them, I thought it’d be a kick in the pants. I was very sad when they stopped printing the paper a couple of years ago.
May 24th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
All the crop circle debunking i have ever seen involve the people making one circle…they never actually create a complicated piece of work that are the crop circles we see that are complicated designs, and even always take too long to even do one circle… they know how to recreate it but they suck at it.
May 24th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
All the crop circle debunking i have ever seen involve the people making one circle…they never actually create a complicated piece of work that are the crop circles we see that are complicated designs, and even always take too long to even do one circle… they know how to recreate it but they suck at it.
May 25th, 2009 at 8:16 am
At one time I considered that some of the really detailed crop circles might be of extraterrestrial origin, until I saw a report that included a “crop circle” in the shape of a gigantic 10 speed bicycle. I mean, this thing was absolutely perfect! Logically this meant either extraterrestrial symbols included a 10 speed bike, or humans are doing this(I chose the latter). If someone here on earth can do that, than I have to assume that groups of circles could easily be made too. There are some cases of crop circles that are simple counter-clockwise twists of foliage that were also accompanied by sightings of physical objects lifting off from the area where they were seen. I give these more credit than the modern artistic circles.
May 25th, 2009 at 8:16 am
At one time I considered that some of the really detailed crop circles might be of extraterrestrial origin, until I saw a report that included a “crop circle” in the shape of a gigantic 10 speed bicycle. I mean, this thing was absolutely perfect! Logically this meant either extraterrestrial symbols included a 10 speed bike, or humans are doing this(I chose the latter). If someone here on earth can do that, than I have to assume that groups of circles could easily be made too. There are some cases of crop circles that are simple counter-clockwise twists of foliage that were also accompanied by sightings of physical objects lifting off from the area where they were seen. I give these more credit than the modern artistic circles.
May 30th, 2009 at 9:23 am
#4 Roswell.
Wow, talk about loose ends in your argument. Look :”The complicated controversy surrounding this whole ordeal makes one thing clear: while we might not be able to surely say who, ”
“someone is definitely faking it.” Okay, are you going to explain that or are you simply trying to assure us? Mate, simply assuring readers without any further argument isn’t going to convince them. Your closing remark sounds as convincing as a 6 year old’s complaint on monsters.
June 2nd, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I’m not a troll
June 11th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
HOW COULD YOU EXCLUDE BOB LAZAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Alright, everyone. We now know what is the real origins of crops circles. Wallabies get high and jump in a circle.
Enjoy the article below:
Stoned Wallabies make Crop Circles
July 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
One of the best fakes i know of is one i made. Go to this link. Copy and paste it in your address bar.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=562620&l=b4bbc7c27f&id=1046612484
July 29th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I’m the ladys son on facebook.
August 19th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
God, you guys are so vain to think were the only intelligent existing beings in this universe. WAKE UP PEOPLE. UFO do exist
August 19th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
@Linda (272):
You’re confusing to different things here, love…
Intelligent existence is not contingent upon the ability to be a UFO.
September 7th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
One small problem with your Roswell entry: You neglected to note that the United States Army issued a press release stating they had recovered a flying disk and that the story ran in several newspapers including the Roswell Daily Record, The San Francisco Chronicle, The Wyoming Eagle, and others.
The Roswell Daily Record story, dated July 8, 1947 begins:
“The intelligence office of the 509th Bombardment group at Roswell Army Air Field announced at noon today, that the field has come into possession of a flying saucer.”
When analyzing information from the Roswell incident, you need to take into account why the US Army wasn’t able to identify one of their own weather balloons and why they issued a press release stating they’d recovered a flying disk.
You also make an error by suggesting that rumors have it that the supposed crashed disk were taken to Area 51. The reports by military witnesses indicate the crash debris was taken to Wright-Patterson Air Force Base in Dayton, OH, which is nowhere near Area 51.
If you’re going to take the time to debunk UFO reports, at least do your homework. It will help your credibility.