This is a list of the current top ten rugby teams as decided by the IRB (International Rugby Board) as of February 2nd, 2009. I have kept their list the same but I have added some facts and history on each team. I have also included some videos that I have found on YouTube showing the teams in play. [JFrater: when you see item one you will understand why this list had to be posted!]
Fiji’s national rugby team is a part of the Pacific Islands rugby Alliance along with Samoa and Tonga. Fiji was one of the sixteen teams to participate in the 1987 rugby world cup and made it to the quarter finals only to be beaten by France. Between 1987 and 2007, Fiji has only made it to the quarter finals twice, losing to England in the quarter finals in 1999 and losing to South Africa in the semi-finals in 2007. Fiji has an outstanding Rugby Sevens team and they play their fifteens very similar, with lots of exiting running rugby.
The Scottish Rugby Union was founded in 1873 and is one of the oldest teams in the world. They were a founding member of the IRB and participated in the first international match against England where Scotland won 4-1. Scotland participates and is a contender in the Six Nations tournament held every year in Europe. Scottish rugby players are also selected every four years to play for the Barbarians against other national teams. Scotland has taken part in all the Rugby World Cups which they have made the quarter or semi-finals every year except 2007.
The Irish Rugby Football Union was founded in 1874 and was another founding member or the IRB. Ireland competes annually in the Six Nations tournament which they have won eight times. They have participated in every world cup and have been eliminated in the quarter finals every year except 1999 and 2007. The Ireland national team forms a quarter of the British and Irish Lions along with England and Wales every four years. The Irish rugby team has been home to some of the world’s top class players including Brian O’Driscoll who is Irelands top try scorer and considered the best centre in world rugby.
Rugby was first introduced to France in 1872 by the British and since then has become a very competitive and popular sport. France is home to one of the top rugby leagues in the world and sees players coming from all over the world to play for one of their teams. France’s national team is considered the best on continental Europe and competes annually in the Six Nations tournament. The French have competed in every world cup and have made it to more finals than any other team without winning the William Webb Ellis Cup. One of France’s most famous games was against New Zealand in the 1999 world cup where they upset the favored All Blacks in the semi-final. France plays with a free flowing flair that is rivaled by only a few teams in the rugby world and one of the best things about them is that they are always able to produce an upset.
Though facing a few difficulties in the last year, The England National rugby team has always been considered one of the best sides in the world. They have produced many legends of the game such as Martin Johnson and Jonny Wilkinson who is the top point scorer in rugby world cup history. They are the only team from Europe to win the Rugby World Cup when they defeated Australia in 2003 and also came as runners up in 1991 and 2007. They participate annually in the Six Nations tournament and have been crowned champions 25 times. Their style of play can often be characterized by using their strong forwards and running with backs utilizing kicks and open field play, if that doesn’t work, they will kick for points every chance they get.
The Wales National Rugby team was started in 1881 and that same year they had their first test match against England. Wales has had many different golden ages of rugby through the 19th and 20th centuries. During these times they have produced who some consider the best rugby players to ever play the game including J.P.R Williams, Gerald Davies, and of course Gareth Edwards. Wales competes in the Six Nations tournament every year and has won it 24 times (only second to England) with the most recent in 2008. Wales has been active in all six rugby world cups but unfortunately their best result was in 1987 when they reached the semi-finals but lost to New Zealand. Wales currently is improving rapidly and their play has always been recognized with some of the best sidestepping in the game. Just watch the video and see.
The Argentina National rugby team, nicknamed Los Pumas, had its first international test against a touring British Isles team in 1910. Argentina is ranked as by far the best team in the Americas and although rugby isn’t close to as popular as soccer, it has grown a following due to Argentina’s success in the Rugby World Cups. The only problem is that being on the other side of the world of the other major rugby teams; Argentina does not always get the highly publicized matches it deserves. Argentina has participated in all the Rugby World Cups but was left disappointed until a much more experienced side made it to the 1999 quarter finals. In 2007 a very strong and experienced Pumas side made it to semi finals after producing a handful of upsets. They went on to win 3rd place in the tournament which has let many of their players receive overseas contracts to play professional rugby in Europe. Argentina has generally used an outstanding forward pack mixed in with a barrage of backline passing.
The Australian Rugby Union team is nicknamed the Wallabies and is considered one of the best teams in the history of the game. They compete annually in the Tri-Nations Tournament against New Zealand and South Africa. Australia was one of the founders of the Rugby World Cup and shared the first tournament with New Zealand in 1987. The New South Wales Rugby Union became the first team to tour overseas by playing New Zealand in 1883. Australia was later toured by a British Isles team for the first time in 1888. In the century that followed, rugby grew very fast in Australia with the national team touring across Europe on a yearly base. In 1984 the Wallabies became the first Australian team to achieve a grand slam by defeating all the large European teams in one tour. Australia has participated in all six world cups and has the best record of all the participating nations. The Wallabies are one of two teams to win the tournament twice by winning in 1991 and 1999, and they came in as runners up in 2003. In 1995 Australia along with New Zealand and South Africa formed the first professional rugby union known as the Super Ten Competition. The Wallabies have produced a large number of outstanding rugby players including Tim Horan, David Campese, John Eales, and the most capped player of all time, George Gregan. The Wallabies are always entertaining to watch because they take risks in games that other teams wouldn’t event attempt. They are usually acknowledged as having one of the best defenses in world rugby and have great ball retention which allows continuous phases.
The South Africa national team is nicknamed the Springboks and began playing international rugby when a British Isles team toured South Africa in 1891. In the early 20th century rugby grew so rapidly in South Africa that a cease fire was held in the Second Boer War so that the British and Boer forces could play each other. South Africa took their first tour of the British Isles and France in 1906. Although still being involved in international test matches, the Apartheid Laws saw the South Africa Rugby Union highly criticized by other teams which led to the Springboks being unable to participate in the first two Rugby World Cups although their vote won the debate on whether or not to have the tournament. This changed in 1995 when South Africa was included and hosted the third Rugby World cup and defeated the New Zealand All blacks 15 to 12 in the final. The Springboks would only go on to the semi-finals in 1999 and the quarter finals in 2003 until they defeated England in 2007 to become the second nation to win the world cup twice. The success of the 1995 tournament in South Africa influenced the rugby laws to be changed to allow professional rugby teams to emerge. South Africa plays annually in the Super Twelve tournament and the Tri-Nations against New Zealand and Australia. South Africa is one of many teams to utilize all aspects of the game to produce exiting matches incorporating running, kicking, passing, and forward drives.
The New Zealand National Rugby Team, nicknamed the All Blacks is the most famous and respected team in the world with winning records against all national sides. The first team from New Zealand to compete in a match was against New South Wales in 1883 and their first international test was against Australia in 1903. Rugby has since then become New Zealand’s national sport with the All Blacks conquering just about every team in their way. They have a record of 330 wins out of 443 matches which makes them the most successful team in rugby history; the IRB has also named them team of the year in 2005, 2006 and 2008. Out of the Southern nations, the All Blacks retain the top Tri-Nations record with nine series wins while the Springboks and the Wallabies only have two. The All Blacks have also been able to retain the Bledisloe Cup from Australia for many years at a time. In addition, the All Blacks have only lost one test series to the British and Irish Lions and have won more Grand Slam tours of Europe than any other Southern Hemisphere team. The All Blacks hosted the first Rugby World Cup along with Australia and David Kirk would be the first to lift the William Webb Ellis trophy as the All Blacks easily defeated all the opposition including France in the final with the score of 29 to 9. The All Blacks have brought about many rugby legends to the field including Sean Fitzpatrick, John Kirwan, Grant Fox, Ian Kirkpatrick, Christian Cullen, Andrew Mehrtens, Tana Umaga, Carlos Spencer, Richie McCaw and of course Jonah Lomu. With the great players and talent that New Zealand has, the only question asked is why they have only won the Rugby World Cup once because they have gone into every tournament as the favorites to win. The New Zealand All Blacks have also gained fame from doing the Haka or the Kapo-o-Panga before every match.
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February 20th, 2009 at 2:11 am
I knew it was either going to be new Zealand or austrilia ftw but I was surprised that newzealnad was number one I had heard that austrilia was the dominating team of rugby. Shout out to rasaclian sup homey u know what I’m talking we should show this list to that one guy who works at blockbuster and see what he thinks?
February 20th, 2009 at 2:12 am
I don’t know much abt rugby.. But it reminds me of WWF (Wrestling) whenever I watch it..
February 20th, 2009 at 2:13 am
I would have had to open a can of “wtf” if NZ wasn’t on top.
We can all be thankful that tragedy has been averted.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:19 am
The super twelve tournament is now the super 14.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:23 am
Rugby is so much greater than american football. American football is for pussies, rugby is for real men. Watch and you’ll see what I mean.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:24 am
Great list being a rugger from America I can respect all of these teams, I have seen most of them play, and have played against there “B” sides. I hope one day we can build an American team that can appear on your top 10 list someday….thanks for the great list…again
February 20th, 2009 at 2:25 am
when did NZ last win the world cup???
February 20th, 2009 at 2:33 am
Stupid list…
February 20th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Ah… The 1999 semi-final between France and New Zealand !!! The greatest match I’ve ever seen (I’m french)…
I remember. France had reached the semi-final but had not been very impressive until then, while the All Black were… well… scary, as usual.
I was convinced we were going to get crunched !…
After the first half-time, NZ led 17-10, and scored a new try at the beginning of the second half… 24-10.
I came this close of switching my TV off.
And then… something magic happenned !… In 30 minutes, France scored 33 points against none for NZ !!!
It was totally unexpected, unbelievable, incomprehensible… Dominici, Bernat Salles (faster than a Road Runner), Lamaison, the All Blacks never knew what hit them.
And even if they scored a late try, it did not change the outcome of the match…
43-31… Truly amazing !!!
February 20th, 2009 at 2:57 am
I actually have to agree with redhimihai rugby is a lot more hardcore than American football. The sad thing is I am American and used to play football. I tried rugby a couple of times and loved it. Straight brutal.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:20 am
Proudly South African!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:24 am
woah woah woah kids…. it always seems like American Football and Rugby keep getting clumped together because it’s a bunch of people and a nonspherical ball but they are very very different…and equally brutal if you look into the formal studies. Football has harder hits and rugby has more frequent hits. I don’t know how they created an average hit list, but tests determined that force and number of hits per game made the two roughly equal in internal damage done.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:26 am
tbh I think it’s the Haka that contributes enormously to the NZ winning total. That’s not to take it away from their awesome physique and technical play, but you can see how it bonds the team together and fires them up before a match.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Only one team on this list has a song written about them by Neil and Tim Finn.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:34 am
South Africa are world champions (again). New Zealand are not. This list won’t change that!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:36 am
gabi319 that is true i played linebacker and we did hit some people pretty hard. I guess what i meant was how i felt after i played. I definitely felt it more in the morning after i played Rugby.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:48 am
Meh. The Wallabies are so much better than the Springboks, and don’t even get me started on the Kiwi’s… Nice healthy nationa rivalry!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:57 am
16. notherguitar
they’re played differently, so if you’re used to years and years of football and then out of the blue pick up rugby, the body’ll feel sore because of the things it’s not used to. I like both (watching, not playing. I’m too much of a pansy for anything rougher than two touch)…I recently got into watching rugby because a friend and her new husband both played in college. It was harder for me to grasp than American Football (to me, it was a visual mess, haha…lots of clumped up people with random arms and legs poking out, ball going all sorts of directions) but I love how fast-paced it is. Watching the All Blacks play live is still on my bucket list.
If I were to decide a most brutal sport based on what I’ve watched and the damage I’ve seen on friends, I’ve gotta pick lacrosse. That sport creates some disgusting bruises.
5. redhimihai – “…rugby is for real men. Watch and you’ll see what I mean.”
What differentiates a real man from the pussies is the one who can change a baby’s diaper with a straight face. What and you’ll see what I mean.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:02 am
Sorry, not my sport at all-and I love almost everything from swimming to ski-jumping. Rugby is right there with cricket and cycling as the most unexciting way of spending Sunday afternoons. It just doesn’t do it for me.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:02 am
nah man new zealand are champions at rugby.
but aussie kick arse at leauge.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:23 am
I don’t usually watch Rugby but have recently started to get into it and NZ being at the top surprised me, although I did figure it out before even reading the list due to JFraters comment in the intro!
I was expecting SA or the Aussies at the top!
Good list!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:29 am
I wud’ve been WTF too if NZ hadn’t been no. 1
February 20th, 2009 at 4:43 am
@ Caz. Stupid comment.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:56 am
SOUTH AFRICA is the 2007 Rugby world champs and should be nr. 1. You guys can say what you want about the BOKS but the hole world knoes who the champs are……. LMFAO. New Zealand is a great team but not Beter than the BOKS……. SPRINGBOKS SKOP GAT PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 am
AND BTW… SHARKS KICK ASS THEY CAN BE ON THIS LIST ASWELL THEY CAN EVEN BE NO1. IF YOU ASK ME…….. MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…….. MAAK DIE SHARKS ALMAL BOKKE…… FOR THOSE WHO DOESNT UNDERSTAND… MAKE THE SHARKS ALL SPRINGBOKS ……. LOL
February 20th, 2009 at 5:04 am
DHUU IT HAS BEEN SUPER 14 SINCE 2004-2005 @ Jackrussel
February 20th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Australia definitely deserve their third place
BTW, the Springbok has been removed as the emblem of the South African rugby team, due to political correctness run amok. The new emblem is now….the Protea.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:01 am
The Springbok remained the official emblem and the trademark of the national rugby team; the Protea is the official national sporting emblem
February 20th, 2009 at 6:24 am
but aussie kick arse at leauge
Georgia – remind me then…who are the Rugby League World champions ??!!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:27 am
It was totally unexpected, unbelievable, incomprehensible… Dominici, Bernat Salles (faster than a Road Runner), Lamaison, the All Blacks never knew what hit them.
Arnaud – actually we did…bad refeering; you didn’t mention anything about forward passes!
But seriously, I was devastated after that match (along with 4m or so other kiwis)! It’s just a shame France couldn’t go on and win the competition.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:37 am
How on earth have you rated Argentina 4th?!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:41 am
How on earth have you rated Argentina 4th?!
tinydancer – read the into to the list. It is based on official IRB rankings (though Argentina have slipped to 5th in the current rankings)
February 20th, 2009 at 6:42 am
typo – “into to the list” == “intro to the list”
February 20th, 2009 at 6:50 am
New Zealand might be rated number 1 by the IRB, but all readers should refer to Nick’s comment at 7 – “When did NZ last win the world cup” The answer is NEVER
February 20th, 2009 at 6:51 am
BBBBOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!! (bokke…springboks…SA..Oh forget about it!)
February 20th, 2009 at 6:56 am
“When did NZ last win the world cup” The answer is NEVER
Tom – Wrong. Check your facts.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:33 am
The SPRINGBOKS are the BEST!!!
the KIWIS only know how to do ONE thing: CHOKE!
HAHAHA!
February 20th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Being Welsh and having played professional rugby union I feel I have to comment on this list.
While I take the perspective that it comes from the latest world rankings (Argentina 4???? do the IRB actually watch Rugby these days – while I dont dislike the Argies in the same way that I hate the English and by default the Aussies who are just English thieves sent overseas), to have them above any of the Six Nation teams is just hypocrisy of the highest order – even Scotland or Italy ((well maybe not Italy – or All Black Romans as we call them)) on a good day could beat them
), I have to say that as always it is biased towards the Southern Hemisphere teams, due in part because most of the IRB are Southerners – South Africa are the World Champions so they are Number 1, and much as I hate to say this England should be rated Number 2 until the next World Cup sorts this out – when New Zealand will lose again in the quarters or semis due to no competition, lack of judgement, sitting back (or any excuse that comes to mind to shore up your deflated egos – yes you are the best in the World but how come for the competition that sorts this out you are poor and have been since the inaugaral World Cup – sustainability just not your bag really is it?). New Zealand in the World Cup always look like rank amateurs and in answer to JF and Kiwiboi 1987 is a long way back when everyone went to the pub before, after and sometimes during the games.
Lets all be honest here, whenever I see Australia and NZ play I only want one winner which would be NZ. But Even I shout “COME ON FIJI” when the All Blacks have the ball. For all of you Americans who dont understand this, roughly three quarters of the New Zealand team are from the Pacific Islands such as Fiji and Samoa. Lets all be realistic if the IRB (dominated by NZ, French and Englisher types) set the tone that all players had to at least have a mother and father of natural origin and therefore the players would be citizens from birth fo their country, NZ would probably be ranked with America or Canada.
Oh and to just add my comments to the American Football Vs Rugby Union (not league – you will see why in a second), American Football players have been rated against Rugby players for ever but the truth of the matter is “PADS ARE FOR POOFS” (someone may need to explain that to the Americans on this site)
All together now Sospan fach yn berwi ar y tân………..
February 20th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I was surprised to see Scotland up there, I thought they’d slipped out of the top 10 rankings. Course I did pick that nugget up from my (very) Welsh friend who is positively frothing about the 6 Nations at the mo so it could just have been we’re gonna kick your arses again -related over exuberance. I, supporting Italy, clearly am not frothing lol, I’m just glad when we try hard
. Cool list
February 20th, 2009 at 7:59 am
How can S.A not be number one when they are the world cup champions, the ultimate rugby championship????? If I recall NZ could not even make it to the semi finals. I believe they have only ever won one world cup and that was the first one back in nineteen voetsek. They manage to disappoint their loyal fans every time….
By the way, the springbok will be staying on as the rugby emblem due to a massive outcry and even if the rugby board or government decided to change it they would remain the springboks in the hearts and souls of every rugby fan in S.A. Go Bokke!!!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:12 am
thank you!! my brother’s a rugbier, he’s going to love this list!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:16 am
@ kiwiboi (post 30).
I must admit that during the quarter-finals of 2007, you were kinda robbed…
But in 1999 !!! Come on !!!
Bernat Salles and Dominici were just faster…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Saturday is a Rugby Day!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 8:43 am
#5: You beat me to it, I was going to say “pussies” too.
What I can’t really get over is how two teams will brutally pound each other’s faces into the ground all afternoon, then everybody spend the rest of the night swilling beer together.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Lets all be realistic if the IRB (dominated by NZ, French and Englisher types) set the tone that all players had to at least have a mother and father of natural origin and therefore the players would be citizens from birth fo their country, NZ would probably be ranked with America or Canada.
Blue – come now, you need to think for yourself…or at least do some research; instead of being sucked in by the rants of rugby writers such as Stephen Jones (Sunday Times).
This talk of NZ pillaging the Pacific Islands for rugby talent is pathetic, and prominently reared its head in the lead up to, and during, the last world cup. So, let me put before you some facts which are very well presented in an article by a NZ rugby journalist who actually did some homework in this regard :
Of the 2007 NZ World Cup 30-man squad :
5 were Samoan born;
2 were Fijian born;
1 was Tongan born;
And most of these spent their childhoods or went to school in NZ. I wonder who forced them at gunpoint to choose to play for NZ?
Furthermore…the Samoan team, alone, (who we are generally accused of poaching from), consisted of 12 NZ-born members.
Of the other teams in the World Cup, 24 were NZ’ers who were not playing for NZ.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/4199356a2201.html
I could go on, but this topic does get a little repetitive and boring (from a kiwi’s perspective).
Regarding the 2007 World Cup…so we are chokers when we don’t win it and the one we did win doesn’t count? Puhleeze!
And, as for being chokers, maybe we are. But along the way we have also managed to win 9 of the 13 Tri-Nations tournaments, the last 4 on the trot.
And, Blue, do you not sense the irony in your comments about NZ…given that Wales hasn’t ever won a World Cup and has this odd tendency to “poach” great NZ coaching talent and mediocre players who couldn’t make the AB’s?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:46 am
@ Spange: you’re so right, the Italian team tries hard, but pretty much always ends up with a fine new wooden spoon to add to the collection… I crave to see Italy finally pull themselves together and give us at least a good try.
Oh, and Blue (38), why do you Welsh call us All Black Romans?
February 20th, 2009 at 8:57 am
@ Nameless:
Italy finished fourth in 2007 and got the wooden spoon only 3 times in 9 tournaments…
February 20th, 2009 at 9:08 am
The scary thing about the Haka isn’t the actual dance. It’s the fact that if you don’t respect it, you can expect every all black to make it a personal mission to ensure you don’t leave that pitch walking…
Also, I’d have swapped England and Irelands positions. Other than that, it’s fairly spot on…
February 20th, 2009 at 9:09 am
@ Arnaud: which means, we’re not even good at expanding our wooden spoon collection? Sorry, stupid joke… It’s just that I’m frustrated at the really sucky start we had at this years’ Six Nations Tournament.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Well, I’m American, and female… so of course, I don’t get it. I am quite fond of rugby shirts though.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I’ve been trying to thinking of a list for submission that would include the haka dance of the All Blacks. I love it. I don’t know a damn thing about rugby, but I somehow knew they’d be top on the list.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Nameless. I hoped for a few brief but brightly sparkling moments we might pull off a win against Ireland when we scored first; alas I was to be disappointed once again. I can’t allow myself to be anything other than upbeat though otherwise my English and Welsh friends and my Scottish bro in law would have way too much fun teasing me about it!
February 20th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Scotland Rugby Rulz!!
February 20th, 2009 at 9:59 am
as an American, I could not possibly care less about Rugby. still interesting though. anyone care to explain what the hell New Zealand is doing in that video? do they double as a dance team?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Kiwi’s are number 1
because they are simply the gods of the game
February 20th, 2009 at 10:29 am
54. RandomPrecision
It’s the haka…a Maori dance I suppose would be the easiest, pared-down answer to give. Can be used for war, for ceremony, etc…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:33 am
i’ll never understand why rugby fans always get defensive about their sport in comparing it to american football. they’re both great games and both very violent. can’t we all just get along?;) The pads do serve a purpose though as there are certain “defenseless positions” such as wide receiver, quarterback, and others. The league wants “stars” to sell the game to fans. That doesn’t work if guys can only last a game or two.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Good list. In the UK, there are two types of rugby – rugby league (which is where the national side get picked from) and rugby union (a slightly rawer game with different rules). Being a Lancashire Lad, union is bigger here than league.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Ya know, I think I got those the wrong way around? Yeah, big rugby fan me! Erm, Not.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Argentine fourth? Wasn’t expecting that.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
ugh the all blacks,they are the reason i hate rugby.
and no.55 HJRO2 – they think they are gods too…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
But in 1999 !!! Come on !!!
Bernat Salles and Dominici were just faster…
Arnaud – agreed. France are a great rugby playing nation…a joy to watch when they are in full flow.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
As far as I am concerned, rugby is a much MUCH harder game than American Football. I cannot really see how these atheletes can be compared when american footballers sit down for a rest every few minutes, then a half an hour rest at HT, and have rests and the end of each quarter. Add to all this the fact that they are heavily armoured (with helmets! WTH!?) I just cant compare it to a game where everyone has to run for 40mins in a much more free-flowing and faster game, then have 10mins at HT, and then play another 40mins of fast flowing rugby football. Plus you have 13st players tackling and being tackled by 21st players regularly, without a group of players around purely there to take the hit. Sorry guys but american football is weak.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Lifeschool…please explain yourself? League is a completely different game to union. I accept that a few gifted players from league do tend to play in the union national side, but the majority play in union teams. Remember there is a national LEAGUE side as wel
February 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
phishman – if your american footballers were as hard as our rugby players, these ‘defenceless positions’ would be able to take a few hits – everyone on a rugby team has to take a hit.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
they do take hits…they just cant protect themselves when playing their position. thats why you need pads. and again why so defensive? they’re two different games! football players hit hard, rugby players hit hard.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
i agree ‘football’ players hit hard. Rugby players are just harder. Don’t get me wrong. As a tactical game, I can watch american football, its just as a physical game, I don’t think they are as fit or as hard as rugby players. My opinion thats all and it will take quite a lot to change it.
American football rarely has more than a couple of minutes of sustained play, and all of the technical positions are protected. Scrum half and dummy half fulfil the distributing positions of american football and they don’t need constant protection. The Full backs and wings (as well as to an extent the outside centre) run the ball and they don’t need constant protection. Indeed ‘blocking’ is a foul in rugby. The players in these positions take massive hits every week and play a longer season and still manage to appear most games.
Also, why is it called football? The ball is rarely in contact with the boot. Always puzzled me…
February 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Argentina fourth? WTF?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Yeah why is it called football….. I think that too many sports are being called footbal…. there’s soccer, Rugby, American football and AFL (Australian, Football, Leauge) which I think should be the only one called football cause so far they havent got another name for it.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
man i hate how everyone is hating on american football. Honestly man they are too very physical games, and im sure if you put adrian peterson, or ed reed, or like troy polamalu on the rugby field and they will rape any bitch rugby player.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
no they would go home crying cos they werent allowed to shout at the ref or wear their precious body armour.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Australia is way better than new zealand!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Between world cups I would say NZ are better than australia. Wales beat the aussies in the autumn internationals but lost to the all blacks
CYMRU AM BYTH!
February 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
23. PirateXxEsque.
Please excuse me for not thinking that sport is the only important thing in the world, and thinking that a chance for a good list was wasted on this.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
New Zealand wooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
proud kiwi
February 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
To place New Zealand in number one position when they are ranked number 4 on the IRB composite table of world cup results is nonsense.
Sure, they won the first World Cup. Since then the history of New Zealand Rugby has been a series of repeated failures to live up to their own talent and the expectations of rugby fans world wide. If the ‘best team’ in the world can’t win the big matches in the most important competition in the sport then they have no claim to being the best team. Deep down most of their fans know that.
This list apparently bases itself on the performance of teams over an extended period of time. Performance at World Cup level has to be given considerable weight. An analysis of World Cup Results (including placings and 4th place) demonstrates my point.
1st Australia
2nd South Africa
3rd England
4th New Zealand
5th France
6th Wales
New Zealand are a great rugby side, but until they stop focussing on how great they are and start to contemplate how great they could have been if only they had not repeatedly choked in World Cup finals, they will never fulfill their true promise. They enter each World Cup as though their name was already engraved on the trophy. Lack of mental toughness lets them down, Haka or no Haka.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Caz – u mean a chance for a good list was wasted on this IN YOUR OPINION. Personally I think this is a great list.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
76. cymraegbachgen87
I have to agree. My earlier comment is just my opinion. Other people might agree, others think I’m just a lunatic, or…something else, I suppose.
Everybody’s entitled to their own opinion.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Can’t argue with the positions on the list as they are the official rankings. The write ups is another matter.
Scotland – A contender in the 6 nations? Only for the wooden spoon I am sorry to say. The 4 yearly selections are for The Lions not The baa-baas. And the RWC quarter final losses are as often as not against the AB’s
England – Running Backs ROFLMAO.
Australia – if the Wallabies have one of the best defences in the game then you should acknowledge the Boks as having The Best. And the ABs isn’t too bad either judging by the last Grand Slam tour of the UK. Tries conceded =0.
South Africa – does not play in the Super 12 tournament, which is really the Super 14 as that is a provincial tournament.
New Zealand – no problems here. The only error in this is that Kapa Opango is one of two hakas that the ABs do. The traditional and most commonly performed haka is Ka Mate. Kapa Opanga only appered in 2003 (in fact the video is it’s first ever performance) and is reserved for especially deserving opponents. And yes you diss the haka at risk to your own safety
Cheers
Lee
February 20th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Anthony (70) you have no idea what you are talking about. Check out Jerry Collins if you want to see hard hits – and no pads. Or watch a game of Rugby League some time.
Cheers
Lee
February 20th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
gahhh…. I told myself that there was no point to post here again but… American football and rugby are DIFFERENT sports. The rules, the strategies, even the style of tackling is different. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong because rugby is still a new thing for me (ha, as if I could stop any of you) but tackling in rugby is low, generally at the waist, while American football is higher, roughly chest area. Yes there is padding involved but it disperses more energy throughout the whole chest (which has at times has been equaled to the force of a front end collision with a car going. Same can be said for rugby but that’s in account of all hits throughout the game) rather than absorbing it. And that heavy padding isn’t everywhere – mostly the shoulders and chest because of how and where to tackle. A soft, exposed belly still hurts when hit regardless of which sport. Helmets exist because (again) the strategy of the tackle is different. Put a player from one sport in the other and they’d be at a sad disadvantage regardless of which way you spin things.
Don’t know I bother…Sports is one of those things hardly anyone looks at objectively. But come on…this is like comparing checkers to chess. Looks the same but they are DIFFERENT.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
England needs to be way higher on this list.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Honourable mention to Canada.And England higher,goodlist.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
wow, as a scotsman i am very suprised we’re even on this list, i’m sure there’s a nation of pygmies somewhere that could beat us, we used to be ok but now it’s just a bit depressing watching us
February 20th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Blue (38)
Not sure where you are coming from with your assertions of Southern Hemisphere/NZ dominance of the IRB. The facts show quite the opposite. eg There has never been a Southern Hemisphere Chairman of the IRB. The chances of getting anything done is always scuppered or delayed by the Home Unions votes to retain the Traditions of the game eg the whole matter of professionalism, Law changes, global test windows.
Cheers
Lee
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Great list, thanks for posting. It’s nice to see something about rugby for once…it really doesn’t get enough attention.
)… but still, i must say, rugby is a much intense sport than football. Rugby is 80 minutes of nearly non-stop play with no switching players depending whether you are on offense or defense. Sport Science determined that even though football players hit harder (about 4700lbs of force) compared to rugby’s average of about 1300lbs of force, they equal out to about the same because a pro football player, Quentin Jammer, dishes out about 6 hits per game where as some bloke from a semi pro LA squad dishes out about 18 hits per game both averaging around 28 000lbs of force per game. Another thing to take into consideration though is that when a football player is hit, the force is spread out over a much larger area and mostly absorbed by their pads. That and the fact that because the hitter is also wearing pads it eliminates most of the fear of injuring any part of their own body.
All Black are number one as I expected…you can’t really get any better, they’re an incredible force. I couldn’t imagine standing on the pitch and watching the Haka.
As for the football vs rugby argument…i may be biased because i play rugby ( hooker and lock
I still say rugby is tougher, any of the guys I play with who also play football say that our training is far harder and gets them in way better shape than football. Rugby ftw.
I think it might have been different if they got a real pro rather than that fella from LA. No offense, im sure they’re a good squad but when it comes down to it, you had one of the best defensive players in the entire NFL vs a semi pro player.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:18 am
@45 Kiwiboi
I have to say you actually just pointed out why the All Blacks are, or should be called, the un-United States of New Zealand Rugby Football Team. 8 players from the pacific islands?????
Why do you think they all want to play for NZ, could it be money, my god what a thought someone playing for a team because they get more accolades and cash, who would have thought.
As for Wales, I completely agree with you, we have been in the Rugby wilderness for many a year, probably due to the lack of grassroots based teams and lack of cash to start up something of this nature for most of the 80’s and 90’s. Now when there is more cash (and I must say heart) back in the team we have won the Grand Slam a couple of times.
As for reading Stephen Jones (hack) I couldnt really give you and example of when I have actually read a full article of his. I would rather listen to Jonathan Davies rant about Rugby as he actually does say it straight. I actually live in Bangkok now and there is a thriving Rugby community here with about 15 teams, a lot like mine have ex-professionals from all over the world. Ask your brother for my email address and I wils end you some info, actually a great place to be but Rugby at 110 degrees isnt a lot of fun especially for a bald 40 year old prop
I also wish to point out that I actually support the All Blacks second after Wales. I love the way NZ play Rugby and you are by far the best team, except when you CHOKE at every World Cup which is the competition which tells you who is number 1.
As for coaching talent we taught Graham Henry all he knows, he was a second stringer until we polished him in Wales and then sent him back to hold your hands
@46 Nameless; because your whole set-up and some of the team is the second string New Zealand team that cant get a game in NZ because the Pacific Islanders take their spots.
And are we all still talking about American Football against Rugby Union still. As of this moment You will cease playing American football. There is only one kind of proper football; you call it soccer. Those of you brave enough will, in time, be allowed to play RUGBY (which has some similarities to American football, but does not involve stopping for a rest every twenty seconds or wearing full kevlar body armour like a bunch of nancies). Don’t try Rugby – the South Africans and Kiwis will thrash you, like they regularly thrash us.
Here’s to the next Lions Tour. I will be there
February 21st, 2009 at 1:02 am
What are you guys talking about where tackling is aimed at? In rugby the main purpose of tackling is to put the other guy on his backside and challenge for the ball. This sometimes requries taking the waist and hips, but if there are plenty of team-mates around, you hit the chest and u hit it hard. This stops the off-load. We don’t wear these massive shoulderpads…and knee guards…and helmets…and thigh pads…and cups…(the only reason I can see you wearing helmets is because you can knock yourself out on your shoulder pads! If you are saying your that hard – be done with them!)
Your point, Jdage, sums up what I’m trying to say. Despite the force that ‘footballers’ hit with (I’m not saying they don’t hit) they don’t hit even close to as regularly as rugby players do – and there is often a massive size discrepency. Rugby players also play for longer as well as harder: 80mins (usually longer due to stoppages and the whistle for HT and FT not going until the ball goes dead) with a mere 10min break at HT. I also take issue with a defensive and offensive line-up. Rugby is a more complete package as these 15 men have to attack AND defend, and do so without a quick breather every 40seconds.
I need one of my american brethren to tell me how many technical positions there are in AF. With Scrum Half, Fly Half, Number 8 and the Hooker, nearly a third of a rugby team have intense technical positions.
I applaud the atheletes that compete in AF, but as far as sporting endurance goes, along with technical flair and skill even when tired, rugby lads have got it by a country mile
February 21st, 2009 at 1:12 am
Milky Joe,
Why does performance at WCs have to be given considerable weight? This is one tournament every 4 years. It is given more weight than standard internationals, but isn’t it better to rank teams over an extended period of time rather than how they do over three to six games in just 2/3 weeks out of 208?
Your list even helps my point – you have England above NZ and France! Have you WATCHED the english play recently? Wales beat them despite performing very poorly, and they were annihilated in the autumn tests against the southern hemisphere! If England are the highest ranked european nation by your table, why are FRANCE ranked highest in the a table of the five/six nations going back to its conception? Why are Wales current Grand Slam holders and undefeated in 8 Six Nations games under Gatland?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:27 am
I was so excited to see this lists. I am sure it is deathly boring for those of you who dont watch rugby, but it was great and I loved the comments. I am going home to South Africa in a week and this really got me in the mood!
February 21st, 2009 at 2:04 am
everyone knows Bret and Jemaine are the best
February 21st, 2009 at 2:13 am
Hey everyone, i aam a little bit late on commenting but i am glad that most of you liked my list. this was my first list posting so thank you jfrater for posting it for everyone to see. if any of you follow rugby than you know that the six nations has started up this year and there have been a few changes in the rankings. as of today, Wales has moved up to 4th and argentina has been moved back to 5th, Ireland has been bumped up to 6th while england and france have been moved back to 7th and 8th. as always it is great to see the pride that rugby fans have for their favorite teams and i am glad to see that expressed in your comments.
and ps: one of these days USA will hopefully be up there with these powerhouses of the game.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:03 am
I agree with Arnaud, way up in the comments. The most exciting match I ever watched is France-NZ in 99. And I know that during important matches the Boks or Australia tend to win (or even England, I’m a little bit French). But they are boring as hell to see play. If I wanted to see the match stopped every 20 seconds, I’ll be watching American football (which I tend to like, provided that there is enough beer present. By the way, there used to be no padding in football quite a long time ago, but the players used to get killed also quite often, hence the padding). But I like movement in the game. I like the French flair, I like the running kiwis. I love the Pumas. Hell, I prefer to watch Italy play than get bored in front of a match with those other teams that just have a strong pack (and an insane defense) and get to kick the ball and win 9-0. Therefore, I’m happy to see the Blacks in first place.
PS: Guy, please, don’t start playing rugby also. You are already getting a lot better at soccer, and my life is a little bit sadder (I’m also a little bit Mexican).
February 21st, 2009 at 3:12 am
I have to say you actually just pointed out why the All Blacks are, or should be called, the un-United States of New Zealand Rugby Football Team. 8 players from the pacific islands?????
Blue – you conveniently omit the essential context; specifically that, of the 8, 7 of these emigrated to NZ in their very early childhood.
Why do you think they all want to play for NZ, could it be money, my god what a thought someone playing for a team because they get more accolades and cash, who would have thought.
Or could it be because NZ is their home, and that they identify themselves as NZ’ers just as much as they identify themselves as Islanders? Remember, too, the close alignment of NZ and the Pacific Islanders; Auckland, for example, has the largest Polynesian population of any city in the world.
But, yes, there is no denying that – as a professional sportsman – playing for the AB’s must afford certain advantages over playing for Fiji or Samoa
In fact, that is why a great many people have a great respect for the integrity of your own Ryan Giggs, who opted to play international football for Wales.
As for Wales, I completely agree with you…
I wasn’t intending to slag Wales (and I hope you aren’t thinking I did)…I remember when tests against Wales were one of the highlights of NZ rugby (to an extent, they still are)…the Welsh and kiwis have a similar passion for rugby.
Rugby at 110 degrees isnt a lot of fun especially for a bald 40 year old prop
LOL…even a quiet walk in the shade isn’t much fun at 110 deg.
I love the way NZ play Rugby and you are by far the best team, except when you CHOKE at every World Cup which is the competition which tells you who is number 1.
It would be foolish of me to deny NZ’s World Cup results…but, on your logic, England is the second best rugby nation? And Argentina 3rd? The World Cup is, indeed, the holy grail…but it is not the full measure of a nation’s rugby prowess, IMHO.
As for coaching talent we taught Graham Henry all he knows, he was a second stringer until we polished him in Wales and then sent him back to hold your hands
Very droll
BTW, Blue…where in Wales are you from? I’m a Fulham FC season-ticket holder and will be dropping into Craven Cottage on Tuesday evening for our FA Cup 5th Round replay with Swansea
February 21st, 2009 at 6:36 am
I think this list was a direct response to DentShops amazing list about sporting dominance. But this is too prosaic and not an interesting list, just more mouth foaming from Little Brother (New Zealand – the Canada of the Southern Hemisphere) that yes, they are in fact good at something. The list has been well researched, but I come here to see something I cant see anywhere else. How about a list of the Greatest Rugby players, coaches or washouts?
February 21st, 2009 at 7:20 am
Come on people, here we go again with the I think Rugby is tougher than Football bull,
Well hell is that’s the case I think my dad can dad can beat up you dad,
We should recognize that both sports bring great passion and skill to the table, that no matter which one we prefer, both sports have merits
February 21st, 2009 at 7:53 am
Kiwiboi, I am from Neath (I was a Welsh All Black for a while in the late 80’s and played against the 89 NZ team) which is 10 miles from Swansea.
I didnt mean to belittle the All Blacks, I really am as dissapointed at their record in the World Cups as you probably are. I think I said that you are by far the best team and it is a wonderful site to see a Jerry Collins in full flight. I would really hope that at some point you will lose the CHOKE title for good and sustain the run for the whole of the Cup. For one thing it would shut your neighbours up and god would I love to see that. Aussies are English people only with less intelligence and charisma (and lets be fair most English people enter the human race and lose miserably)
As for football I am a true Manchester United fan, I live 8,000 miles away, I am Welsh and I cant remember the last time I went to Old Trafford. However, you may like this, Peter Reid is the Thailand National Team Manager, since he he has been living here we have become friends and we generally spend some quality time at the Manchester United Bar in Sukhumvit Soi 11 (Bangkok’s central area). Great guy by the way and one of the nicest people you would hope to meet.
I think I may understand the Fulham season ticket. Tell me if this is correct; you really dont support Fulham but their season ticket is the cheapest in London, therefore you get to see the great teams like Man U and Chelsea for a pittance of what it costs to be a real football club supporter
Props my man.
By the way I am joking a little about the Man Utd above, I actually have a season ticket as my business partner lives in Bramhall with all the footie players and we get free season tickets due to being involved. (Ask JF for my email and I will explain)
February 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
Kiwiboi, I am from Neath (I was a Welsh All Black for a while in the late 80’s and played against the 89 NZ team) which is 10 miles from Swansea.
I’ve never been to Neath; in fact the only time I went to Wales was to drop my daughter at an equestrian centre in Wrexham a few years back. And I will spare you my first impressions of that town…
In any case, it seems that you certainly know your way around the rugby paddock; good for you, well done! In fact, that would have been Shelford’s AB team, I guess. And I think we might have had a certain Warren Gatland in the squad.
I would really hope that at some point you will lose the CHOKE title for good and sustain the run for the whole of the Cup. For one thing it would shut your neighbours up and god would I love to see that.
Well, we stole the League World Cup from them recently – not too bad a feeling, I can tell you
As for football I am a true Manchester United fan, I live 8,000 miles away,
Heh..you got that right!
I am Welsh and I cant remember the last time I went to Old Trafford. However, you may like this, Peter Reid is the Thailand National Team Manager, since he he has been living here we have become friends and we generally spend some quality time at the Manchester United Bar in Sukhumvit Soi 11 (Bangkok’s central area). Great guy by the way and one of the nicest people you would hope to meet.
Geez…that must be great, hearing football stories from someone whose career as both a player and a manager was at the highest level. In fact, I can still see Reid in his blue shirt and grey hair bossing the Everton midfield around. I also used to enjoy Reid’s views on that Sunday morning football program on Sky (with Chris Kamara). He seemed to have a great sense of humour too (including laughing at the silly ‘monkey man’ jibes).
I think I may understand the Fulham season ticket. Tell me if this is correct; you really dont support Fulham but their season ticket is the cheapest in London, therefore you get to see the great teams like Man U and Chelsea for a pittance of what it costs to be a real football club supporter
Props my man.
Well, I don’t blame you for trying, but nope. Actually, friends of ours had a son in the Fulham youth academy (he went all through school with my daughter) at the same time my son was getting to the age of wanting me to take him to matches regularly. Also, Fulham have had one or two kiwis in their squad until very recently, which also added to the attraction. And I only live about a 15 minute drive from the Cottage.
But don’t misunderstand me – it’s great having (relatively) cheap Prem League season tickets
And I can assure you that I’m very popular with my workmates, as I can usually get an extra 12 tickets to matches against Man U or Chelsea (my wife and son also have ST’s, and we can get 4 additional tickets each).
By the way I am joking a little about the Man Utd above, I actually have a season ticket as my business partner lives in Bramhall with all the footie players and we get free season tickets due to being involved.
Now that’s just not fair!! You haven’t got a buddy on the door at Stringfellows, have you?
(Ask JF for my email and I will explain)
I’ll do that.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:39 am
Ireland could be number one, not only in Rugby but soccer as well, because of our own national sport GAA(Gaelic football) & hurling. Many young lads who play a combination of all those sports usually only pick one as they hit their mid teens, which is such a shame………
February 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pm
1 – NZ are the best rugby team regardless of world cup titles. All it requires in the WC is to have one bad game and you’re out. NZ are just a bit unfortunate. But finishing first against the other 2 biggest teams in rugby union in the tri-nations 9 out of 13 times – they’re probably the best.
2 – Argentina are lucky. Not in the tri-nations or six nations so the losses in such won’t be registered. Being geographically separate from all other “big” rugby teams. That leaves them to rack up win after win against the poor American teams. Their ranking has to be inflated. Good team just not above Wales.
3 – In American football, the impact of the tackles is greater hence the “armour”.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:00 pm
@ Kiwiboi. Peter has some great stories and really is one of the funniest and nicest guys you could ever hope to meet. It has been my privilege over the last few months to get to know him. You see this guy on TV and he has the odd anecdote and is really funny, in real life that is magnified tenfold, I have nothing but admiration for the man. He is actually in the UK at the moment and will be back in a couple of weeks, I think I will intro him to the site.
I have sent a few comments to the site in the past, I am sure your brother can check this but this is on my favourite websites, I love this site, not because of the lists (although I find them entertaining) but because of the personalities here. I check the site everyday and I dont think I have missed one day since 2007. I love Randall’s psuedo-intellectualism, I love bucslims comments, I love the fact that you and a host of others get involved. I feel part of something special, even if I dont comment often, this may sound pious but in truth I feel like a small part of an ever growing community. I stumbled on this site by accident one day over 18 months ago and I have been addicted ever since.
I dont agree with a lot of the comments, however it is just because of this that I love the site.
I was being highly sarcarstic with the Fulham commment. Again it is because of Chris Coleman (a very gifted Welsh football player in his time) that you are in the Premiership, Fulham are one of those teams that surprise and mystify the top tier teams. I made that comment as I have some American friends, I say friends they are more about toleration than anything else – basically I tolerate them as they are poor misguided souls, driven by perpetual optimism even though most Americans have a poosr IQ for a glass of water
, who have season tickets for the Cottage (is this an actual euphimism, are you all cottaging? – I joke of course) and the only reason is that it is cheap and they can see the top teams. Honestly, I would not blame you in the slightest is this was the case (I used to live in Kensington and I have to say the Craven was one of the best stops).
I also have to answer Liam at number 100. Get a grip son, the impact of an American Football player has been measured inumerable times, this is a slow, boring completely overrated sport devoid of any benefits. The players are hit an average of 6 times per game. Rugby on the other hand the same (or very, very near) forces are presented throughout the 80 minutes (an average of 38 times per game per player). Argentina are also not lucky they have a fine pedigree in the glorious game and are a real force to be reckoned with. I agree they are not above Wales, but then neither are Australia who we slammed in the autumn test series, however we dont make the rankings, it is completed on a game by game basis by men who are supposedly picked for their knowledge of the sport. I have to say that your feeling on the “armour” is ridiculous. American Football players would have no hope against the tackles created in Rugby (I know, I have 2 dislocated knees, all of my cruciate ligaments operated on and I have a right shoulder that sticks in my ear – all this from a 10 year career at the highest league level where you were expected to recover in 6 weeks) Amercian Football on the other hand is played by jocks who think the game is “EXTREME” ha ha ha ha.
Rugby is a thugs game played by gentlemen, American Football is a dress rehearsal for line dancing, repetitive, boring and not in the least entertaining when it takes 4 hours to complete at a minimum. Please dont talk about hits, offensive and defensive lines when in Rugby the same 15 players have to do it all, it is ridiculous to compare the two sports. Rugby is a mans game played by real men, American Football is an advertising revenue generator at best played by Americans and Canadians as they are not man enough to play without pads and therefore cannot play Rugby, Rugby at the international level is Gods game, played by warriors. American Football, on the other hand, is played by body armour wearing frat boys. Watch and learn that Gods own game is Rugby, this is why at the end of the “battle’ we are all still friends. It takes a man to aknowledge that the field has been taken by a superior force, it takes a wimp to wear as much armour as possible to subdue that force.
Sorry for the rant, but please dont even utter American Football in the same sentence as Rugby, this is like saying that an AK47 is the same as a slingshot. Rugby is played by heroes for their team and country while American Football is played by individuals for personal gain to the detriment of all around and for days at a time. There are 21 players in total including substitutes in a rugby team, there is a small town involved with American Football.
Rant over please move along, nothing to see here……….
February 21st, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Yay, 101 does that count? Was never good at maths
Kiwiboi, is Stringies still going?? That dude was 140 when I was still living in London
I live in Bangkok, Stringies is kinda tmae and boring when you are surrounded by LBFM’s
February 21st, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Blue – yep, Stringfellows is still going. I was joking, though, about wanting to go there. I’ve been there a coupla times over the years and – to be honest – I had more fun chatting to the musclebound bouncers on the door than I did inside.
And, you’re right…PS himself must be 140 (and his ridiculous ponytail 139).
February 21st, 2009 at 10:46 pm
I don’t know much about rugby, but the All Blacks are sooo cool.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:15 am
He is actually in the UK at the moment and will be back in a couple of weeks
Blue – heh, I’m watching him on Goals on Sunday as I type this. I’m not sure about those (new) muttonchop sideburns, though…
He’s a guest with our old guv’nor, Chris Coleman.
Anyhows…I’m off to the Cottage in a few minutes to see us grab 3 points off West Brom
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:57 am
rugby league and american football generally get harder impact in tackles because of the space between the attack/offense and the defense. rugby union gets this impact in the backs occasionally but there are rarely big hits in the forwards
February 22nd, 2009 at 1:50 pm
i didnt really write this list expecting the majority of the comments to be trashing american football….. not cool
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
101. Blue: “…dont even utter American Football in the same sentence as Rugby…”
I noticed you put them in the same sentence 4 times. I’d add more if I bothered to edit your run-on sentences. And the whole forces thing…read the other comments. There are at least two people who’ve mentioned Football = Greater Force + # lesser hits while Rugby = lesser force + Greater # Hits.
Bravo to the two or three sane people who recognize these are two different sports! I love both. I’d correct the errors of what people complain about with American Football but I see that it’d be a wasted effort. Besides, everyone knows the ultimate brutal sport is Field Hockey. Don’t know why there’s even a ball on the field when the whole point of the game is beat the crap out of our opponents with sticks….
…just an attempt to unify the pointless rugby-football haters-lovers so the conversation can get back to Rugby TEAMS.
GO ALL-BLACKS!!!
just one last quick thing….this is a post about RUGBY TEAMS and you’re bashing American Football (many of whom probably won’t check this intending to defend their love of sport)? That’s like challenging someone in a leg cast to a high jump contest. poor taste…
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Not cool but somehow inevitable as this list would be read by americans (USA) and ROW alike.
It would be interesting to see how good a USA side could be fielded if only they took the sport seriously. Currently I would rate Japan above a USA rugby team, with Canada waaaaaaaaaay above them. If the resources and personel that went into AF went into rugby, america could finally have a decent representitive team in a world-wide team sport (obviously not counting athletics here).
As it is team USA are the whipping boys of international rugby – even the england second team (the saxons) thrashed them 64-10 in 2008s Barclays Churchill cup competition
Thoughts anyone?
(Wales for the GS!!!! WOOOOO)
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
BTW – probably exageratted with the team sport thing but I am apt to do that!
IMHO Cricket (particularly 20-20), Rugby Union, Football (ok…soccer)and rugby League are the truly international sports
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Besides, everyone knows the most brutal sport isnt rugby, AF, boxing or even hockey. Its carpet bowls. They are some mean mofos
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
You have no idea how long I have been waiting for a rugby list, so here I go trying to address everything everyone else has written.
* N.Z deserves to be on top as they have the best win/loss record over time and have only lost I think to 7 other teams in their history some of those only a couple of times.
*If you were basing this on world cup performances south Africa weren’t even in the first two so it would be bias and there is a history of team under performing coming into the cup and then doing very well, England are a prime example of this.
*Argentina deserve there 4th spot (maybe 5th) as they have done extremely well considering they have very few chances to play in either of the major annual tournaments (tri nations and 6 nations). They have tied with and come very close to beating the all blacks in the last few years and with more exposure to the game could become world beaters
*Wales are hitting a hot streak, im fully expecting them to give everyone they play this year a go for their money.
* Rugby is much harder on the body then American football, the game is non stop for 40 minutes at a time, you have 1 team on the field at all time and there are no pads or helmets. Any other comparisons are restricted to passing backwards and ball shape.
*No point in playing the where the players were born card, many parents bring the kids to nz so they have a shot at playing for the all blacks and nearly every international team has either an island born or kiwi born player on there team.
* France should be better than what they are as they seem to pull wins out in games they should lose.
*The last world cup was mess as far Ref’s went, The N.Z vs. France game was something shocking and the final wasn’t much better.
* England shouldn’t be higher because even though when they are good they are very good but when the suck they usually go on huge losing streaks and bitch and moan about how other teams are cheating (Ireland do this to).
*Compared to football most players make jack shit all money, rugby just isn’t a well paid sport.
* Every American/Canadian I have a watched a game of rugby match with can’t understand why the game isn’t bigger in the states.
* I’m sick of people bitching about how N.Z cant win a world cup, we aint invincible and we do lose every now and again not one want point out the Food poisoning or poor reffing as well as the odd choke, we can still wipe the floor with any other team, for you South Africans please see last years tri nations??? You were the only tri nation’s team to retain most of your world cup squad and our baby blacks wiped you 19-0 in your own country…..nuff said.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Even though I think I will always prefer rugby over football I must say the lack of respect here for football is terrible. C’mon lads, rugby is a gentleman’s game and a true fan or player would take that to heart.
The American rugby team is for rugby what our Canadian soccer team is to soccer…a bit of comic relief. I don’t think you an get a whole lot worse than the Canadian soccer team but if there is anything to compare it to I guess it would have to be that awful American rugby team.
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
cymraegbachgen87 (110)
Actually I have to seriously disagree with that statement.
Football definitely is the #1 World team sport.
Basketball is second
Rugby is probably #3 provided you don’t look too closely at the numbers or quality.
Cricket has only 9 test playing countries (was 10 but Zimbabwe were demoted) and really struggles to find 16 for it’s ODI World Cup.
Rugby League is NOT an International Sport. Only 3 countries care and two of them are usually well behind Aussie (except at the World Cup
)
In fact Baseball and Handball would probably both have better International qualifications than RL, or even cricket.
Cheers
Lee
February 22nd, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Jdage – u clearly havent seen the New Zealand soccer team
k1w1taxi- would softball maybe be in there to? even field hockey has an international following. We only play Rigby league to embarass the Aussies every now and againand remind them where they stand
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:09 pm
109. cymraegbachgen87
It’s all marketing and capitalism…AF probably gains more revenue for the media hype (millions$$ to buy a 30second ad in the superbowl?) than from the actual sport. I prefer (ice) hockey out of all sports. Even though it’s a “national sport” it’s not as big as AF because it’s not as well advertised (but on the positive, they play more for love of the game than love of the money. Give me Ovechkin over Reggie Bush any day). Well, except where I’m at now…Our basketball team is second worse in the nation, the football team lost more than won… Only decent local team we have is the Caps. Even my dad’s been watching a few games with me (never seen him watch a hockey game before in my life. He’s just desperate to remember what a win looks like).
Hopefully, US Rugby will gain momentum with Ali Williams taking a potential sabbatical. I have no idea what “Commercial opportunities” entails but anything to bring more attention to the sport stateside wouldn’t hurt. It’s near impossible to find any rugby on tv here. If that doesn’t work, I know eventually it’ll gain a foothold at the national level. There’s already a huge and growing fanbase in most colleges.
There are apparently some mean mofos in CURLING! I was shocked! When I lived way up north for a time and occasionally, I’d stop by the rink to see some college hockey. Once I stopped by and there was curling…and I saw a fight break out. I had no idea things get so heated on the ice. It made me giggle.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:56 pm
If you look at the numbers of people that FOLLOW cricket in all its forms then it is in contention as an international sport – after all it is the national sport of India…a fair few people live there.
If you combine the billion or so Indians with the 22M aussies, 172M Pakistanis, 51M English alone (and I know not all of them watch/follow cricket) but you can argue that it is international After all it is played across the world – Asia, Europe, Americas, Australasia. Especially with the advent of 20-20 making these players millionaires and lots of new investment from america and the middle east, cricket is definitely in the ascedency and will soon become truly global. (I am leaving out NZ, WI, Bangladesh, SA etc cos I cant be bothered to look up populations
)
If Rugby league isnt international, a world cup couldnt be staged :p
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pm
I would hazard F1 ahead of baseball and handball – there is no denying that is an international sport.
February 22nd, 2009 at 3:58 pm
BTW – last cricket WC was telvised to over 2B viewers – still say its not international?
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
cymraegbachgen87 – Its not that Rugby League isnt international its just that when it comes to the world cup theres realisticly only three teams (at a stretch 4) that stand a chance of winnning, same with netball.
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Taken as a percentage of the teams in the world the same can be said of football and Union (particularly union)
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:05 pm
No way, Ireland, Wales, england, South Africa, New Zealand, Fiji, Scotland, Australia, Argentina and maybe even samoa and Tonga are all capable of winning the Rugby world cup with a strong enough team. Thats half the Competition or even more if it ends up being a 16 side world cup.
As for the football cup its anyones game.
February 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Omh how come heaps of ppl are surprised NZ arent top?
we are the best in the game as mentioned
although we havnt won it since yonks ago but 2011 Rugby World Cup is played in NZ and will stay there!
Best game in the world and League is 2nd, btw 20. Georgia, who are the current world champs for league? haha it seems like aussies are the chokers of league!!!
And just a shout out to all those sprinkbok n wallaby fans, deep down you guys know who the best team is…
btw how come Dan Carter (best played ever who is also my idol cos i play same position as him
) isnt mentioned as a rugby legend?
February 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
maori boi- yeah dan carter is amazing. if i was to name all the legends that NZ have produced the list would be so long and i guess i just left him off.
ps i have always liked watching how george gregan from australia played because i play scrumhalf. whenever i have to play flyhalf, i usually look at how larkham used to play.
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:14 am
Rugby is a fun sport and for those who had played rugby would understand ANY guy can play. And only REAL men get in the team….. Springboks is the Nr1 team in the World I mean the aussies are good dont get me wrong and the all blacks as well but people plz scotland no ways. I saw a primary school play better rugby and dont even get me started on argentina THEY REALY SUCK
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:12 am
First. As much as it pains me to say it as a welshman, the only teams with real ability to win the WC are at this moment in time are the southern hemi sides – they really are in a class of their own as the recent autumn internationals proved. Samoa!? Tonga!? Scotland!? Argentina!? PLEASE. Did you even watch the last RWC? These sides are regularly demolished by the Southern Hemisphere as WELL as by Wales England France and Ireland. If you are watching the current six nations, scotland are pathetic atm – they won’t even field their best side and Italy are a better side than Samoa and Tonga on their day and they don’t make your list. You obviously are just an armchair fan!
Second. Football WC. Again – PLEASE. You obviously know NOTHING about football if you think the South Korean side can win it, or Japan or Scotland or England! The only sides atm with a CHANCE are Spain (current European champs and faves for the next EC and WC), Brazil, Portugal, Italy (current champs) and maybe France or Germany (Argentina at an outside shot)
Jan Hendrik – if the pumas really suck then how do you explain them coming third in the 2007 RWC? As for the list – it is based on the current IRB rankings so where do you get off saying its wrong?
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 am
BTW anthony p – what do you mean “if it ends up being a 16 side world cup”?
It has BEEN a sixteen side WC (at least) since the inaugral WC in NZ and Australia in 1987. As it is now, it is a 20 side tournament, and 8 of those places need to be qualified for – hence more than 20 sides vie for those places.
That just proves you know nothing about rugby lol
February 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
(Quick research shows the IRB has 95 full members, and browsing the qualifying tables for 2011 WC that seems about right. As an interesting side note though, only 24 different teams have played in the RWCFs although seeing as it used to only be a 16 team tournament and now 12 of the 20 places are auto qualification through previous WC performance – previously all quarter finalists but from now on everyone who finishes third or higher in their group – this isnt really that surprising)
February 23rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm
cymraegbachgen87 – There was talk of it going back to a 16 side tournament to avoid huge miss matches in pool play but it looks like it has been decided against as it would damage the game in newer nations who do not get to play the top teams unless they are in there pool at the world cup
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
cymraegbachgen87 – As for Argentina getting regularly demolished by the top teams, may i point out them wolloping France twice in the last world cup, had they played that well in there semis match i think south africa would have had a much harder time but without the exposure the other top teams get what do you expect.
February 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 pm
I completely agree that Los Pumas need more top tier practice. There was talk of them joining the Tri-Nations but it fell through unfortunately. I think the last WC was excellent for the smaller teams. Many of them made excellent showings. However it will be a long time before they are capable of challenging for the title. Take Italy – 10 seasons in the six nations and they are slowly getting better, but nowhere near good enough to take the title, not yet at least. I suppose I was alluding to more southern hem sides for Argentina (although europe stil do beat samoa, tonga and scotland) You can also invoke the old axiom that you never know which french side will turn up. (That isn’t to detract from argentinas amazing achievement in 2007) You
could possibly credit S.A for not allowing them to play to potential in their semi…
That semi is a case in point. At this moment in time it is blatantly clear that southern hemisphere sides are dominant. It helps that their funding isnt as heavily split. Most european countries have football as their national sport (thats soccer not AF for the americans out there
) which detracts from funding and personel going to rugby.
February 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pm
I was really dissapointed when Los Pumas didnt end up in the Tri nations but it isnt off the cards, i think the main problem was timing and the geographt. I would expect them to get kicked around a bit the first couple of seasons but the potential is there as they play a very unique style of rugby. The islands would also benefit from more top tier games, we (N.Z) played samoa early last year and the score was in the hundreds.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 pm
I would love for the tri nations to become more inclusive with many more teams. Unfortunately, due to the spread out nature of the top southern hemisphere teams, this is a much harder logistical problem than the 6 Nations.
There was also talk of extending the six nations with Argentina playing out of Spain or Portugal.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Before discovering The List Universe, there were only five things I knew about New Zealand:
1) Xena the Warrior Princess founded it
2) Lots of sheep
3) Lord of the Rings was filmed there
4) Sir Edmund Hillary
5) The All Blacks rule the rugby world.
As for rugby, I only know one thing.
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
124 – guy: fair nuff…
ye i dont really like gregan, i mean hes a frekin good player (probs why i dont liek him)and hes a tuff lil bugger as well. gets smashed alot and carries on.
Dont liek larkam as well, suppose i dont like any of the ozzy players n SA players apart from Quade Cooper and Barnes
no offence to anyone haha
February 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pm
IRB World Rankings – 23 February 2009
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.68
2(2) SOUTH AFRICA 89.45
3(3) AUSTRALIA 85.86
4(4) WALES 82.51
5(5) ARGENTINA 81.56
6(6) IRELAND 80.49
7(7) ENGLAND 80.37
8(8) FRANCE 79.10
9(9) SCOTLAND 75.47
10(10) FIJI 75.24
February 24th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
maori boi- since i am pretty much neutral because i play and live in the states, i just like whoever plays the way that i like to play. justin marshall was also a badass when he played for the all blacks, he was aggressive and everything.
February 24th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
guy – true true, one of my other favourites is Sivivatu!, also plays for Waikato Chiefs (YEH BABY 2009 Super 14 Champs!!!!!!)
Love him cos he always makes something out of nothing and whenever he plays he looks bored n tired n seems he doesnt know what hes doing
But yer good list btw ay, good to see some more rugby realted ones up here. Maybe u can do one with like most tries or points scored in one game etc…
February 24th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
yeah sivivatu has such a good side step.
i was thinking about writing a few other lists like greatest flyhalfs, scrumhalfs or wings of all time. idk but i think it would be cool.
February 24th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
U like Shane Williams? The lil Welsh boi he has good step as well…Idk if i get my step from welsh side or maori side hahaha
Ye that will be cool ay, but i already know whos gonna be #1 1st 5/8 (Fly half) of all time… Me
haha but yer deffs will be good to do.
February 25th, 2009 at 8:15 am
It’s worth mentioning that even when South Africa won the latest World Cup, the All Blacks were still ranked No.1 in the world! And neither the Irish or the Scots have ever beaten the ABs in over one hundred years of rugby.
February 25th, 2009 at 8:23 am
AUSSIE’S for the win we should be at least number two i think americans would be good at rugby if it got big in the states their better of with the NFL
February 25th, 2009 at 8:25 am
i meant bad at rugby americans would be bad at rugby lol so they should stick to nfl and basketball etc
February 25th, 2009 at 9:28 am
but the Llanelli Scarlets have beaten the ABs…that was a good day for welsh regional rugby!
(Not great for me tho seeing as I’m a Blues Fan)
February 25th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
140. moari boi- yeah shane williams is amazing, it is always cool to see a little guy dominating in sports.
yeah i would say i am probably the best scrum half ever… jk.
i got a good question though.. who do you think would be better going against each other at flyhalf, dan carter, or johnny wilkinson in his prime and top form?
how is it like playing in new zealand at a club or whatever level you play? (cause looking at your nickname i am guessing you live there)
February 25th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
145. guy – Tbh i dont really think wilkinson is that good, i rekon hes over rated because of his famous drop goal. I rekon James Hook, Ronan O’Gara or even Steven Larkham
hehe
are better than wilkinson when at their peak, and overall Carter dominates haha. But thats my opinion anyway
I was born and bred in NZ till i was 13 when i moved to australia. I played rugby and league for the whole time i was in NZ but never really got to play at a serious level because of age. But when I moved to australia and played here (just started training for 09 season
) I always played 1 grade or even 2 grades higher at times because im too good
But i think the reason is because I live in Perth and rugby isnt very big here (Aussie Rules dominates any other sport here), but if I played in Sydney it will be much harder over there, probably similar to playing back in NZ cos there’s heaps of Maori’s there haha
I also played a bit in Wales when i went there for a holiday when I was 16 and that was like playing school rugby bak in primary school in NZ, it was fun but I was expecting a hard game especially playing against the teams from the valleys.
February 25th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
The IRB rankings are a little skewed. Argentina ahead of Wales? Since the world cup, they have only won against 2 mediocre teams (Scotland & Italy). Ireland better than England? No not really. I would love to see England higher up the list, but alas they’re just not up to the job recently. They lost against Wales, and the try they scored was more luck than skill.
Bring back the good old days!
February 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
147. Biscuit – if u missed my post earlier (# 136), Wales are ahead of Argentina. Ill post agen if u want lol
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IRB World Rankings – 23 February 2009
1(1) NEW ZEALAND 92.68
2(2) SOUTH AFRICA 89.45
3(3) AUSTRALIA 85.86
4(4) WALES 82.51
5(5) ARGENTINA 81.56
6(6) IRELAND 80.49
7(7) ENGLAND 80.37
8(8) FRANCE 79.10
9(9) SCOTLAND 75.47
10(10) FIJI 75.24
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February 27th, 2009 at 11:15 am
well I am former Croatia rugby player.I havequited rugby becouse I could not agree with coach.You would ask me why haven’t I changed cloub? well I was minor.(17 years old is minor in croatia)so I could not travell. I played football too and I have to say that rugby i far more brutal. Next in football you have protection in rugby not.
February 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I have just spent the day explaining the basic rules of rugby to my girlfriend whilst watching and sadly missing most of todays 6 nations game between Wales and France.
However she now understands it a lot more and actually quite enjoys it now that she knows what is actually happening – it’s definitely a game that you either need to play to understand or read up on/watch a good few games before it all starts to make sense and look much more organised than it seems.
It’s a bloody brilliant game and by far my favourite sport. I suggest you all have a read up on some of the basic rules and watch a game or two.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 am
hey ireland won 2009 gand slam so they shoud be put at number 5
April 1st, 2009 at 6:51 am
Walesssss !!!!!
April 1st, 2009 at 6:53 am
ENGLAND ARE SHIT !!!!
April 5th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
you couldnt be much more wrong
April 14th, 2009 at 3:23 am
The Kiwi side is great and deserve being in the top 3
having stated that – it is difficult to understand on what basis they are no 1
South Africa should clearly be rated as the number one team – They won the world cup – have a system that does not always favour the best team being put on the field to play
and have a brilliant recors since re- entry despite many obstacles.
**** at the end of the day – Rugby Union is the real winner, we are all enjoying the benefits of a game that is incredible to watch – with any of the above 10 teams playing brilliantly when at their best
April 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
for all you “non-believers” out there:
YES, ARGENTINA.
read it and weep
May 1st, 2009 at 9:55 pm
I think this list is great. My whole family is a bunch of rugby fanatics (my NZ dad started the whole thing). And to be honest, if NZ wasn’t at the top, i would have been pretty mad….thank goodness they are because, well…they rock.
May 2nd, 2009 at 4:50 am
Argentina?? Heh?
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 am
New Zealand can’t play if the referee is not on their side. I think they pay bribes to the Rugby Board or someone, if it wern’t for politics nobody would have beaten South-Africa.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:01 am
159. Bugsy : Lol, you keep telling yourself that, mate.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:39 am
I was a South African for 8 years, and have been a New Zealander for 10 years…that’s why I’m so happy they both came above Australia!
May 31st, 2009 at 6:24 am
Agree with the list, just a shame you didn’t post the footage of the Haka where Wales just stared down the All Blacks; that was a great moment.
May 31st, 2009 at 11:19 pm
It should go
(South Africa 1)
(New Zealand 2)
(Wales 3)
(Argentina 4)
(Australia 5)
(England 6)
(Ireland 7)
(France
(Fiji 9)
(Scotland 10)
June 1st, 2009 at 11:42 am
Go bokke! Well done to the Blue Bulls that beat the Chiefs!
June 18th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Is there going to be an all-time list? Yes i agree with the current list as is results of last world cup etc. However having Argentina 4th best team is a bit dodgy as before the world cup itself they wouldn’t have even made the top 5!
All time list would be (top 15);
1 New Zealand
2 Australia
3 South Africa
4 Wales
5 France
6 England
7 Ireland
8 Fiji
9 Argentina
10 Scotland
11 Samoa
12 Italy
13 Romania
14 Tonga
15 Japan
June 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
argentina? 4? are you shitting me?
June 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
ireland number 8!!!!
wat the hell!!!
ireland are much better than teams like england and wales yet we are fucking eighth!!!
racist!
June 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
ALL BLACKS RULE
June 30th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I SWEAR, I’LL NEVER WRITE ANOTHER MESSAGE AGAIN. I’VE JUST HAD ENOUGH OF HOLDING MY TONGUE ON THIS SUBJECT ABOUT THESE 2 SPORTS… HERE WE AND GOOD LUCK!!!
Pt. 1 – Gridiron vs. Rugby
Man this probably won’t do anything to solve the debate over which football code is better (Gridiron/American Football vs. Rugby) but I’m gonna say it anyway..
First off there’s 2 aspects of the game, Mentality and physicality. I’ll explain both aspects in both codes and you can decide off that. I played League for 4 years, Union for 3 and Gridiron 3yrs and going so I’m not just blowing hot air…
Pt. 2 – Mentality
Rugby: It’s not just about taking and giving hits or passing the ball around to score points. It’s doing it CONSISTENTLY and EFFICIENTLY while keeping your team STRUCTURED for 80mins. You hardly have stoppages to re-group and you don’t sit down for 5mins to figure out how the other team scored, only at half time. If your plan is not working, you improvise on the fly while play is still running. If your plan is working, good on ya… Now keep it up and stick to your plan for 80mins…. Very tiring mentally.
Gridiron: I’m gonna make this simple coz mentally this game will make you swipe the cups off the gatorade table if you don’t study (yes, study)… I’ll put in caps to stress the importance. IF YOU DON’T STUDY YOUR PLAYBOOK, YOU’VE ALREADY LOST THE GAME! Get it???… Now that you’ve memorised your playbook off the field, can you remember it when your face mask is 5 inches away from the dude that wants to flatten you every play for the whole match… I haven’t even started with the importance of discipline in your role and making adjustments according to which team your playing. I’m not gonna start with it either but they are vital to succeeding mentally. See, all that and the quarterback hasn’t even said “HIKE!!!” Every mistake you make in gridiron could be your last because there’s always someone waiting in line to take your spot.
Pt. 3 – Physicality
Gridiron: You take the field every 5mins. You play 5mins and run back off. But in that time on the field, you give it everything you’ve got so when you get off the field your dying for water, oxygen and instructions on what to do next drive. You recuperate for a few mins and do it again. It’s harder for the bigger dudes because they’re fit in strength, not in endurance.
The padding and helmet issue… I found that when you use your helmet to tackle, you can really smack s**t out of someone. In rugby, it’s rule of thumb that when in you tackle coming from the side (going for the legs, textbook), you place your head behind the ball carrier while putting in the shoulder and wrapping your arms to avoid head/neck injuries. In gridiron you’d be runnin full speed, you’d stick your helmet into the chest, head, legs wherever you think will hurt em most and go straight through em without seriously hurting yourself. In rugby, you’d be paralysed doing something stupid like that with no helmet… Another thing in gridiron is you don’t need to be near the action. The play could be on the other side of the field and you could still get blind shotted while your jogging downfield. That is all fair game too. The padding is their so you can be more “suicidal” when it comes to the point of impact. Less technique is required. You put him on his back USING ANY MEANS NECESSARY as quick as you can! (besides chop blocking, grass cutting & all that cheap s**t)
Rugby: Do I need to say much about the physicality of the sport. No helmet, no shoulder pads. Some Americans might think the tackling is a bit soft impact wise but that’s because you don’t have an inch of hard padding protecting your head and body. You’ve gotta absorb all the shocks you take on your own, you’ve gotta protect your head on your own, and when you get tackled or tackle someone you’ve gotta brace for the ruck (gotta love the rucks, best part of the game!!). Get caught on the wrong side of the ruck and you will get stomped on. Yes they use their cleats/boots! And yes it hurts sometimes… Remember, your doing this for 80mins with 10min break 1/2 way through.
I haven’t even started with the endurance side. I’ll say this though, a good forward could make an avg of 2 tackles and 1 a run every 4mins. Then he’s gotta help his teammates do the same. For 80mins… Sound exhausting??? On top of all of that I’ve gotta mention cauliflower ears. If you don’t know what it is, google it…
If you still can’t decide, then look at it this way. They’re all a bunch of pansies because one code wears short shorts & the other code wears tights…
But really, it’s like comparing Freddy to Jason. They’re both out for blood!!! The only difference is Jason will just kill you and Freddy will kill you in your dreams…
July 6th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
You have to laugh. Unlike football and soccer (the other football) where the origins are not alluded to in the name Rugby’s origins are very plain.
Surely ranking this is like saying France are the most famous Judo nation because they produce more current champions than Japan.
England are the most famous rugby nation, NZ just the nation that chooses to define itself through Rugby exploits which is a mistake is you are a bunch of chokers when it comes to the World Cup.
July 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 am
@furnivk (170): New Zealand consistently have the best Rugby team in the world, England are even more consistently embarrassing.
I can see how you could confuse consistency for not sucking though…
August 3rd, 2009 at 4:33 pm
It’s 2009 Tri-Nations and so far South Africa have 2 victories over New Zealand. Can’t wait for the match against Australia on saturday!! Go Springboks!!! =)
August 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pm
South Africa without doubt are the best team this year but I’ll be hoping for an upset on Saturday, c’mon the Wallabies!
August 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
¡¡Vamos Los Pumas!!
In your face England.
September 4th, 2009 at 5:47 am
Currently the rankings have changed with SOUTH-AFRICA now number one. Go check for yourself at: http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html
November 20th, 2009 at 7:22 am
What bullshit. Bokke are two times world champions. We would have a greater trinations record if we didn’t have crap refs from Aus and NZ officiating our games. Bokke are number 1