They don’t make advertising villains like they used to. In fact, they hardly make advertising villains at all. Today’s television ads are slick MTV-style montages, amusing slice-of-life vignettes, or testimonials that look like mini documentaries. Even McDonald’s doesn’t trot out Ronald and the gang like they once did.
It wasn’t always this way. If you’re old enough to have been eating Freakies cereal out of the box while you watched Land of the Lost, you know that TV ads of the ’70s were just as trippy as the shows we watched. Heavy on animation, the commercials used bizarre characters to try to sell us their junk.
One of the stock scenarios we always saw was the cartoon villain. Nine times out of ten it was a creature of some sort whose only pleasure in life was stealing the product the company was simultaneously imploring us to buy. As kids we would philosophize: “Why doesn’t he just buy (X cereal/cookies/sugar-blasted drink) for himself?” This rogue’s gallery represents the best cartoon ad villains of the past, and what they lack in sophisticated animation or live action special effects is more than made up for by their dastardly promotional deeds. Remember these baddies?
If you read DC or Marvel comics during the late 1970s or early 1980s, or if you’ve read back issues from that era, chances are that you’ve seen the super-hero ads for Hostess cupcakes, Twinkies, etc. These were done as 1-page stories in which a low-rent villain would appear as a menace. Then a super-hero would arrive, and somehow use snack cakes to defeat the villain. Lashing out in his depression, the Destroyer sought to make everyone around him as miserable as he was. Though his powers were not clear, he set about destroying the Doover Dam (no, that’s not a typo). The Flash repaired the damage, then introduced the Destroyer to Twinkies so that he could “learn…to enjoy the little things in life.” On tasting a Twinkie, the Destroyer agreed to give himself up.
This is the second of the Twinkies villains, but I had to include it because the Red Skull is so awesome! The Red Skull is a name shared by several fictional characters, comic book supervillains from the Marvel Comics universe. All incarnations of the character are enemies of Captain America, other superheroes, and the United States in general. The first two Red Skulls are Nazi agents and the third is a Communist. In this Twinkies advert, Red Skull tries to use the cosmic cube to destroy Captain America – but in the nick of time, Captain America uses a twinkie to prevent this from happening. In the words of Captain America: “Your cosmic cube refuses to obey you because its enjoying the Hostess Twinkies.”
What is McDonald’s jolly purple creature doing on a list of villains you may be wondering. The reason is that Grimace originally went to air as a villain who stole milkshakes! Initially, Grimace was the “Evil Grimace”, with two pairs of arms with which to steal milkshakes. After that first campaign, the character was revised to be one of the “good guys”, and his number of arms was reduced by two. Commercials and merchandise generally portrayed him as a well-meaning simpleton, whose clumsy antics provided a comic foil to Ronald McDonald. Ultimately, I felt it fair to include the evil grimace even though he does still appear from time to time in a new incarnation.
The Noid (voiced by Pons Maar) was an advertising character for Domino’s Pizza in the 1980s. He was a villainous red-suited character with red rabbit ears who attempted to ruin Domino’s pizza but was constantly thwarted. As part of the advertising campaign, a computer game was released in 1989 called Avoid the Noid. Commercials that featured the character used the slogan “Avoid the Noid.” The object of the game is to deliver a pizza within a half-hour time limit, in an apartment building swarming with noids (some of which are armed with heat-seeking or pizza-seeking missiles, or water balloons).
Bizarre fact: In 1989, Kenneth Lamar Noid, a mentally ill customer who thought the ads were a personal attack on him, held two employees of an Atlanta, Georgia Domino’s restaurant hostage for over five hours. After forcing them to make him a pizza and making demands for $100,000, getaway transportation, and a copy of The Widow’s Son, Noid surrendered to the police. Noid was charged with kidnapping, aggravated assault, extortion, and possession of a firearm during a crime. He was found not guilty by reason of insanity. [Source]
If you’re too young, you missed the Frito Bandito, who was yanked off the air in 1971 due to a congressional hearing on ethnic stereotypes on TV. Even though more than 80% of Mexican-Americans polled said they liked the character (only 8% didn’t, the others we presume didn’t know him or didn’t care), he was replaced by W.C. Frito. Remember W.C. Frito? Of course you don’t. He was a tepid replacement for the Tex Avery-designed, Mel Blanc-voiced bandit, whose only weakness was Frito kleptomania.
McDonaldland was a much freakier place in the ’70s. Apple pie trees, hamburgers (with faces) growing in patches, and shake-spewing volcanoes were part of the geography before a lawsuit from the Kroffts (of H.R. Pufnstuf fame) led to a more conservative kingdom. The Hamburglar used to have villainous company in Captain Crook, whose mission was to steal Filet-o-Fish sandwiches. Now, however, Mayor McCheese has an easier job: Crook was dropped faster than you can say “Robble robble.”
Clad in a body-hugging green leotard, the Spotmaker was one of the last great villain holdovers, taking his last bow some time around 1979. “Hee hee hee hee,” he snickered, then pirouetted around the interior of a live-action dishwasher (the Spotmaker himself was a cartoon), flinging spots on dishes. “Do I make you unhappy?” he toyed. “Embarrass you?” The Spotmaker evaporated when faced with Calgonite dishwashing liquid, which is apparently like Kryptonite.
Cap’n Crunch has endured longer than a lot of cereal characters, and his old age may be due to the fact that he no longer has to battle enemies. In the ’60s and ’70s, the Cap’n had a pirate arch-nemesis by the name of Jean La Foot. Appropriately barefooted and wearing a scruffy five o’clock shadow, Jean was a cereal-stealer. His Achilles’ heel was the fact that he ate his plunder noisily. “You can’t get away with the crunch,” boasted the hero, “because the crunch always gives you away.”
Perhaps the most seriously threatening of all the animated ad villains, the Cavity Creeps threatened an entire town: the city of Toothopolis. Granted, it’s a town that exists in your mouth, but one look at the dark, Hulk-like creatures armed with gigantic drills told you they mean business. “We-make-holes-in-teeth; we-make-holes-in-teeth,” chanted the Creeps, and it’s a good thing that Crest has fluorostat (whatever that is), or your teeth would be doomed! The Cavity Creeps lasted into the early ’80s, coasting on the fame of hero-type cartoons.
Hamburglar (probably the best-known McDonald’s villain) was a thief who was dressed in a black-and-white hooped shirt and pants, a red cape, a wide-brimmed hat, and red gloves whose primary object of theft was hamburgers. The Hamburglar’s early dialog was a continual muttering of “BURGER, BURGER, BURGER.” Later dialog included normal words in a child-like voice. He was originally voiced by Howard Morris, and later by Charlie Adler and Carl W Wolfe, until the character was retired. His catchphrase was “Robble, robble.” In the 2000s, he was temporarily revived for an ad campaign for generic burgers instead of Happy Meal’s.
The Burger King Kingdom was the name of Burger King’s answer to McDonaldland during the mid-1970s. In the late-1980s, the Burger King Kingdom characters were largely phased out. Starting in 2003, the Burger King began to be reused in Burger King ads, albeit as a man in a mask and King costume, rather than a full live-action portrayal. In the Burger King Kingdom, the Burger King had an evil arch-nemesis called the Duke of Doubt who doubted the BK’s magical abilities. This is added as a bonus because as you can see from the clip above, the duke is more camp than villain.
There were other cartoon ad bad guys, some falling into obscurity like Demon Thirst and Baron von Redberry. While villains continued to occasionally pop up later, the heyday, however, is sadly gone. Perhaps ad executives will again realize that, as much as we questioned the motives of these guys when we were kids, we did something else too. We bought their stuff.













August 30th, 2009 at 1:35 am
Wow! Cool list again jfrater!
August 30th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Noid used to freak me out. I’m glad he’s gone… Glad.
August 30th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Aw man, I got the munchies…
August 30th, 2009 at 1:44 am
what about hte trix rabbit, that little bunny is evil “silly rabbit trix are for kids”
August 30th, 2009 at 1:53 am
http://ui28.gamespot.com/2107/driveby_2.gif
August 30th, 2009 at 1:53 am
wow i know a few of these but most of them were all before i was born
August 30th, 2009 at 1:53 am
Have not seen one of them here in the RSA.
August 30th, 2009 at 2:06 am
I totally had one of those Frito Bandito erasers when I was a kid
August 30th, 2009 at 2:15 am
All the glitters…arent gold?
August 30th, 2009 at 2:31 am
wow the duke of doubt is very creepy
good list btw
August 30th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Dude, what about Lui the Fly?
He’s like, 50 years old.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:02 am
This list makes me a lot sadder than it probably should.
I miss all those McDonald’s characters. >_<
Not to mention the Burger King Kids Club Gang. o.O
Hell, do Burger King and McDonald's still even have Happy Meals anymore? It used to be *big news* whatever toys they were giving out. I guess now that all the kids are preoccupied with their Sony PSPs and iPhones, Happy Meal toys don't seem all that exciting anymore. =/
August 30th, 2009 at 3:04 am
i wonder how long the destroyer was in jail before he learned that they have a COMPLETELY different type of twinkie in there.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:05 am
@L (5): That is so awful and yet so funny!
August 30th, 2009 at 3:39 am
Number 3, I just saw a cap’n crunch commercial with Jean La Foot in it…
August 30th, 2009 at 4:52 am
The Trix rabbit isn’t evil; the advertising executives are evil cause they won’t give the poor starving rabbit a bowl of cereal. They had a mail in vote in 1976 and kids voted to let the rabbit actually have a bowl of cereal.
The King from the recent Burger King commercials is really creepy and criminal. He peeps through windows and breaks into houses and stares at people while they are sleeping and sticks his hands in their pockets.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:06 am
An Australian one… The Gobbledok!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobbledok
August 30th, 2009 at 5:22 am
The absolute worst advertising villain is the one for fungal nails by Lamisil. It’s a little monster that crawls under your nail and it’s truly disgusting. In Holland he’s called Schimpie.
Here’s the English version on YouTube.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Poor, maligned Hamburglar. The man is no villain- he just wants his burger. He is not more a ‘villain’ than the Cookie Monster. That ‘monster’ just wants his cookies
August 30th, 2009 at 6:12 am
Interesting list, Elizabeth Kelly. I knew many of these. Now I feel old. *sigh*
@calm_incense (12): Yes, McDonalds and BK still have happy meals/kid meals. They are advertised now to show more healthy item choices instead of focusing on the toy.
@ronsantohof (16): I voted for the rabbit to have the bowl of Trix. I still feel sorry for that rabbit today. My kid won’t watch the commercial saying it’s evil due to this.
@Soofie (18): I can’t even watch that one anymore since it makes me curl up just thinking about it. Creepy!
August 30th, 2009 at 6:13 am
Cool list.
I’m old enough to remember when the villains and heroes from the show you were watching were used to shill product for their sponsors. Dudley Do-Right would save the damsel from Snidely Whiplash with the assistance of whatever breakfast cereal was paying – or Rocky and Bullwinkle would kaibosh Boris and Natasha’s plot to take over the world while Robert Conrad explained how Wheatabix fed your muscles.
And I miss The Frito Bandito too – I remembered the jingle before I watched the video clip – sometimes we’re just a tad too sensitive eh? Pretty bad when the folks you’re supposed to be harming aren’t being listened to. We had the same thing with one of our oldest schools; founded in the late 1800’s their mascot was an Indian Brave. Even when the stereotype is good it’s not allowed. I’m all for polite but sometimes politically correct just means stupid.
August 30th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Jean La Foot is still used in recent captain crunch commercials
August 30th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Interesting list, but definitely one of the most farfetched topics for a list in a long time.
Just so you know, Red Skull isn’t extinct at all, although he has died several times over (well, you know how it is in comics, deaths are never permanent). He might not be an “advertising” villain anymore, but you could say just that about many other comics characters (heroes and villains). Red Skull was in fact the one who planned Captain America’s assassination in recent times, and… okay, I’m gonna stop geeking out right about here. XD
August 30th, 2009 at 7:18 am
o_0… hamburglar and grimace was evil haha… i always knew something looked dodgy about them!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:26 am
tHanks for including the Cavity Creeps. That brought back so many memeries!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:30 am
I feel bad for Grimace. He obviously is mentally handicapped. Thats probably why he became a goodie, for PC purposes.
They should revive the the Duke of Doubt to make Burger King commercials your worst nightmare.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Samzilla, “The King” from the newer Burger King commercials IS my worst nightmare! His creepy visage is the eeriest thing I could imagine seeing. And the newer ad, wherein these chicks apparently set him up to scare their sleeping friend? I’d freak the hell out too, if I were in her place!
August 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
@Matt567 (19): He is not more a ‘villain’ than the Cookie Monster. That ‘monster’ just wants his cookies
Cookie Monster has become a villain in my eyes with his recent “Cookies are only sometimes foods” and “Vegetables are delicious! Nom Nom Nom!”. The traitor.
@mom424 (21): one of our oldest schools…their mascot was an Indian Brave.
lol. My elementary school mascot was the Panthers. The principal who came in after I left thought it was too violent a mascot and had it changed to the Apples. The cartoon image even had a little green maggot poking out…as if rotten and infested apples are all that much “friendlier”, lol
Here’s the Frito Bandito song! I used to sing it every time I opened up a new bag, lol.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I worked at a Domino’s during the ‘Noid campaign. Unfortunately for us our store was in a nightlife district so every night after last call every drunk idiot came in claiming to be a ” ‘Noid inspector” all of them thinking they were so funny and original.
I forgot about the Duke of Doubt. It seems Burger King ads were always a little weird.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Love this list! I am old enough to remember all of these, and many others. I do think the Trix Rabbit is a classic product villain and is still around today, doing the same stuff he was doing years ago, including the line: “Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids…” There was a contest a while back where kids could vote on whether the rabbit would finally get the Trix or not. The poor rabbit lost.
And what about Barney Rubble, always trying to sneak away with the Pebbles?
Oh, and good addition with the comic book ads. I have a couple originals of those!
August 30th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Good list. I wish we could still see some of of these. They came before I was born.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:20 am
@gabi319 (28): We had a similar thing with the Eastview “Wildcats”. Their logo used to be claws pictured with the giant rent/scratch marks to simulate motion/no survivors eh? Now with the namby pamby new principal it’s been replaced with a non-offensive paw mark – like a teddy bear/kitten foot print. How lame is that? What the heck is wrong with competitive spirit and wanting to win? Your mascot should represent that attitude, not some lovey dovey mushy crap. Geez!
August 30th, 2009 at 9:27 am
right now, all the ad villains are bacteria and virus…
people are lacking imagination now a days
August 30th, 2009 at 9:33 am
The Noids… that would be a good band name
August 30th, 2009 at 9:36 am
if i see any one of these in the dark, it would scare the hell out of me
August 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Hey, you forgot Barney Rubble, always stealing Fred Flintstone’s Coco/Fruity Pebbles in those cereal commercials! “Damn you Barneeeeeeeeeeey!”
August 30th, 2009 at 9:46 am
@mom424 (32): What the heck is wrong with competitive spirit and wanting to win? Your mascot should represent that attitude, not some lovey dovey mushy crap.
Whatever you do, don’t piss off the UCSC Banana Slugs.
http://www.goslugs.com/
August 30th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Even though i live in Ireland and am unaware of these products, this was a an amusing list. Some of these villains were referenced in Family Guy; like when Peter used to hang out with the Cavity Creeps
That’s a hilarious ad by the way
August 30th, 2009 at 10:21 am
As a comics nerd, I am somewhat ashamed to inform you that the Red Skull is indeed not dead at all. He’s actually a prevalent villain in many of the Captain America comics at the moment, including the Ultimates Universe.
I’ll leave now.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Man, I miss the Hamburgular, and McDonaldland in general. I wish I was alive during its heyday where Big Mac, Capt. Crook, Mayor McCheese and the like roamed the Earth. They were just starting to do away with the 70s PlayPlaces with Birdie and the climbable Apple Pie trees when I was a kid in the early 90s.
Hell, McDs finally brought back Teeny Beanie Babies, but only made TWO characters into this line: Ronald & Grimace. Now, I love Grimace, but this was a perfect opportunity to bring in Hamburgular and the rest of their characters! I call “Fail” on them.
August 30th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I’m severely disappointed by the lack of Mr. Coffee Nerves.
August 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Elizabeth–You’ve got me laughing at the memories of those-Great list-Well done-It’s a shame that “political correctness” got the Frito Bandito-I really liked him–I think it also stopped the Speedy Gonzales cartoons which were hilarious-
August 30th, 2009 at 11:27 am
There was also a NES game called Yo Noid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yo!_Noid
August 30th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
what about the soggies
August 30th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Speedy Gonzales was always the good guy. Outsmarting Sylvester(Bad pussygato), and Daffy(Loco duck)all the time. This polack kike wants all of you micks, spics, spooks and gooks to LIGHTEN THE HELL UP!
August 30th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
@Looser (34): The Noids… that would be a good band name
If there is cartoon character, there’s probably band named after him on the net
youtube.com/watch?v=hcWVCgt0-qs
August 30th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
what happened to good old Nic-O-Teen? wasn’t he a bit of an health villain of sorts?
August 30th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
avoid the noid!
August 30th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I was reallly hoping the Noid would on here! When I was younger and the Noid was in the commercials and everything, my Dad was working for Dominos and we had some Avoid The Noid pizza delivery computer game hahaha,
August 30th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Wow I feel a little silly mentioning the computer game, I got so excited that the Noid was on here that I didn’t even read the blurb and shot right down to make a comment haha.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Sometimes it’s the kids that are the villians.
“Darn kids, Always after me Lucky Charms”
August 30th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
@ronsantohof (16): “…stares at people while they are sleeping and sticks his hands in their pockets.”
Good thing he doesn´t stick his hands in HIS pockets.
I enjoyed the list although none of these guys are known in my country.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Happily, my favorite memory of any of these characters is when Mayor Adam West violently murdered the Noid on Family Guy by smashing his head to a bloody pulp into his desk, a wall and a bookcase and then snapping his scrawny little neck. The Noid always irritated me.
August 30th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
“Someone should have told the Noid to avoid me…”
August 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
I know somebody has probably already said this but some of these commercials take me back…hahah…I love it!
Excellent list…’specially the Cavity Creeps
August 30th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Even though alot of these don’t fall into the category, the demise of cel animation is one of the saddest things to happen in childrens’ entertainment.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Great list! But how does Mr.Yuck not get an honorable mention for the song alone?
August 30th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
“slick MTV-style montages” =the worst type of advertising out there. They’re extremely annoying and don’t really sell or inform. I hate those type of commercials. good list
August 30th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
steeveedee (30)-the Trix rabbit didn’t lose the contest, he won by a landslide. I think kids everywhere felt sorry for that poor rabbit. I know I did. I always thought the kids in the commercials who took his Trix away were really mean.
I had the “Noid” video game for the NES when I was little and it was actually kind of fun.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I liked the Cookie Crisp-stealing dog and the robber back in the early 90’s. Coo-OOOOOOOOOOOOkie Crisp!
Nowadays, the only villains we have are the kids who keep the Rabbit from having the Trix cereal.
August 30th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Great list if your American i’m sure,thanks for leaving the rest of the world out
August 30th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Great list. I forgot all about The Spotmaker and The Duke of Doubt.
August 30th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
HOW IS LUCKY FROM LUCKY CHARMS NOT ON HERE?!
August 30th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Does anyone remember Mr. Dirt from the old Mobil gasoline commercials? He was a filty hobo looking guy who was the enemy of car engines
August 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
While not meant to be a villain, the current incarnation of the “Burger King” is extremely creepy.
August 30th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Funny stuff…good list.
Had my daughter’s 2nd birthday party at
the local McD’s. When the Hamburgler appeared,
she came unglued. She was terrified. I suppose
having one’s daughter being afraid of a guy in
prison clothes is not such a bad thing.
August 30th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
what is all this??!!
August 30th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
“Oh no!!! Calgonite!!!!!”
I still say this and nobody knows what the heck I’m talking about!
August 31st, 2009 at 6:28 am
Personally, I find the new “Burger King” character so repulsive that I view him as a villain as well. There is something so totally creepy about him (not to mention the ads where people woke up in bed with him, that I’ve given up a lot of burger consumption.
Burger King won’t let you email them. Only snail mail.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:10 am
What about Nick O Teen from the BBC anti smoking campaign
August 31st, 2009 at 9:18 am
Hey iknownothing! If you think you deserve a list, YOU write a list. Do you think an American is going to know Australian, Swiss etc. etc. advertisements???? dumbass just looking for an excuse to scream foul at USA for any effing stupid ass reason at hand
August 31st, 2009 at 10:25 am
You forgot about the Domino’s Pizza character Bad Andy!!!
He was all at once incredibly adorable and terrible at his job making pizza at Domino’s.
I hearted him and they took him away from me.
August 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
@12: I agree with you. It makes me sad how kids are in a hurry to grow up & are more obsessed with electronics.
August 31st, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Ha ha, awesome list. I can’t wait to get home so I can play the videos (no sound here at work). I remember Freakies cereal too; I used to eat the crap out of that stuff, while watching “Land of the Lost,” heh heh! They had fridge magnets in the box and we collected them all. Alas, they are long gone only God knows where.
Remember the Sleestacks? shhhhshhssssshsHHHHHHSSSSSHH!!! We were all scared of them!
Oh, and HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
August 31st, 2009 at 5:50 pm
I also had a Frito Bandito pencil eraser!
August 31st, 2009 at 9:18 pm
i miss the hamburglar. well i miss his suit. haha
September 1st, 2009 at 5:32 am
aaahhh… Burglar…
September 1st, 2009 at 8:50 am
Strange trivia fact – Apparently Grimace was supposed to be a taste bud.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:13 am
What, no Nasty McEvil of Alphabits fame?
“He steals letters, so kids can’t spell their names!”
Wht a jrk.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:55 pm
FIDO DIDO
September 5th, 2009 at 4:24 am
Well, finally, I found out what the Noid was! See, I watched this MJ video, and boy, that little guy made a cameo!
The video? It’s called Speed D**on.
September 5th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Who else finds that Spotmaker annoying? “Hee Hee! I’m gonna talk with a hi-pithed voice and annoy the crap out of you! Hee hee haw!” If only you could aim a 12-gauge at his leotarded(?) rear without breaking all your dishes…
September 9th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Sorry, I mean “hi-pitched voice”
September 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Man I too had a Frito Banditos pencil eraser! I remember waiting for it to come in the mail. There are a lot of curent ones (do people not recall that the Trix bunny is still on the air, these were supposed to be days gone by ones) that people mentioned. But I like Mr. Clean when he was a cartoon character, the jolly green giant, and for current there is boo berry, count chocla and isn’t there a werewolf one too?
September 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 am
The all time no.1 has to be “the Ipren-man” in the swedish commercial for the painkiller Ipren.
October 16th, 2009 at 10:07 am
I had all the Noid bendy action figures when I was little. He wasn’t as creepy to 5-year-old-me as he is to 25-year-old-me.
Another nasty villain is the Mucinex Mucous. He’s just icky.