The idea of a prize challenge to inspire inventors, scientists, adventurists and others has been around for quite some time. One of the most famous was in 1927 when Charles Lindbergh won the Orteig prize (named after a New York hotel owner Raymond Orteig) and received $25,000 for the first allied aviator to fly non-stop from New York City to Paris. All of the challenges I have compiled for this list are still waiting to be met along with over $90 million worth of prize money still up for grabs. So let’s get busy everyone!
Prize: $15,000
Challenge: Launch a satellite weighing between 9.99 and 19.99 grams into Earth orbit, and to track it for a minimum of nine orbits. But most importantly the launch budget must be within £999.99 (about $1500)
This is at the number 10 spot not because of the difficulty of the challenge but because of the rather cheap prize money. The N-Prize (N stands for Nanosatellite or Negligible Resources) was launched in 2008 by Cambridge biologist Paul H. Dear to stimulate innovation directed towards obtaining inexpensive access to space. In order to be eligible for the award, the winning team must complete the challenge before 19:19:09 (GMT) on 19 September 2011. The winning team will receive £9,999.99. (about $15,000)
Interesting Fact: Many believe the biggest challenge facing the participants of this challenge is once a satellite reaches space, it needs to decelerate and be nudged into orbit. This typically requires expensive guidance systems and multiple rocket stages. So far 18 competitors have signed up for N prize Challenge. To learn more about the N prize or you want to be the 19th competitor you can go here.
Prize: $95,000
Challenge: Fly an aircraft by human power 26 miles around two turning points in less than 1 hour.
The Kremer prizes were established in 1959 by industrialist Henry Kremer, and are given to pioneers of human-powered flight. The first two Kremer prizes were won by Dr. Paul MacCready. He won the first in 1977 when his Gossamer Condor piloted by Bryan Allen was the first human-powered aircraft to fly a figure eight around two markers one half mile apart. The second was won in 1979 when his Gossamer Albatross also piloted by Bryan Allen flew from England to France. For the marathon challenge the aircraft must start from rest and fly in a continuous flight for 26 miles in less than 60 minutes and must make a landing satisfactory to the observers. For more details and regulations for this prize challenge you can read about them here.
Interesting Fact: Another human powered flight prize still up for grabs is the Sikorsky Prize in honor of Igor Sikorsky who was highly influential in the development of helicopters. The prize challenge was established back in 1980 and will pay $20,000 to the first person who can stay aloft for 60 seconds in a human-powered helicopter and reach a height of ten feet. If you are more of a helicopter person rather than the fixed- wing type you can get your entry form here.
Prize: $1 Million
Challenge: Reliably and effectively extend the life of ALS mice by 25%.
Prize4Life is non-profit organization dedicated to accelerating the discovery of treatments and a cure for amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), also known as Lou Gehrig’s disease. Prize4Life has launched two major prizes of $1 million each that aim to find solutions to some of the most critical milestones on the way to developing treatments and a cure for ALS. The first prize challenge was for the discovery of a biomarker that can reduce the time and cost of ALS clinical trials. The latest challenge is for the discovery of a therapy that can extend life in the mouse model of ALS. Both prize competitions are open to all, and anyone with an interest is encouraged to compete.
Interesting Fact: To date Prize4Life has awarded $175,000 in smaller prizes for theoretical solutions and progress made thus far in the Biomarker Prize Challenge. To learn more about Prize 4 life you can go here.
Prize: $1 Million
Challenge: Produce an in vitro chicken-meat product that has a taste and texture indistinguishable from real chicken flesh to non-meat-eaters and meat-eaters alike.
Manufacture the approved product in large enough quantities to be sold commercially and successfully sell it at a competitive price in at least 10 states by June 30, 2012.
In vitro meat (also known as cultured meat) is the manufacturing of meat products through tissue-engineering technology. The idea is to produce animal meat without killing an animal. PETA is offering the $1 million prize and claims that cultured meat could also have financial, health, environmental advantages over traditional meat. Judging of taste and texture will be performed by a panel of 10 PETA judges who will sample the in vitro chicken prepared using a fried chicken recipe from VegCooking.com. The in vitro chicken must get a score of at least 80 when evaluated in order to win the prize. I guess it goes without saying that the judges must also declare: “tastes like chicken”.
Interesting Fact: Researchers started working with in vitro proteins in the late 1990s as a way to create food for astronauts on long space missions. Animal-free in vitro meat may also present a partial solution to world hunger. You can read the official contest rules here.
Prize: $1.5 Million
Challenge: Create an aircraft that can average at least 100 mph on a 200-mile flight while achieving greater than 200 passenger miles-per-gallon.
NASA is providing the prize money for this challenge and is aimed to bring about the development and convergence of new technologies and innovations that can improve the community acceptance, affordability and safety of future air vehicles. Other requirements include a short take off, quiet operation, and the ability to drive around on the ground. The aircraft will need to meet stringent safety requirements as well as reasonable speed and range. Competitors may not receive government funding for their entries in this challenge.
Interesting Fact: This challenge it is expected that electric, bio-fueled and hybrid-powered aircraft will compete. The competition will not be held until the summer of 2011, so that teams have time to develop and test their aircraft. You get more details on the rules and regulations for this competition here.
Prize: $1.65 Million
Challenge: Launch a vertical takeoff/vertical landing (VTVL) rocket that achieves the total delta-v needed for a vehicle to move between the surface of the Moon and its orbit.
The lunar Lander Challenge has been an annual competition since 2006. It is funded by NASA with sponsorship from the Northrop Grumman Corporation. There are two levels to this competition. The first Level requires a rocket to take off from a designated launch area and then climb to a low fixed altitude and fly for at least 90 seconds before landing on a different landing pad. Level two requires the rocket to fly for 180 seconds before landing on a simulated lunar surface constructed with craters and boulders. The flights for level one and two must then be repeated in reverse. Qualified teams are able to register for prize-winning attempts on a first-come, first-served basis with a small crew of judges and observers traveling to meet the team at a venue of their choosing. Teams may submit registration forms through September 15, 2009. So far 3 teams have registered.
Interesting Fact: In 2008 Armadillo Aerospace of Mesquite, Texas was awarded $350,000 for successfully completing Level 1. There remains an unclaimed award of $150,000 for second place. A $1 million First Place and a $500,000 second place prize remain to be claimed by the winners of Level 2. You can watch a video of the 2008 challenge here.
Prize: $10 Million
Challenge: Design and build production-capable, 100 MPG (miles per gallon energy equivalent) vehicles that people will want to buy and that meet market needs for price, size, safety and performance.
Within the Competition Division, there are two vehicle classes; Mainstream which are typical small, five-passenger, economy mixed-use vehicles and alternative which has fewer performance and design restrictions and provides an outlet for more innovation. The alternate class has 2 separate prizes of $2.5 million, one for side-by-side seating and one for tandem seating. All will have the same requirements for fuel economy and emissions. Teams are also required to submit a business plan which clearly demonstrates an ability to produce 10,000 vehicles per year.
Interesting Fact: On April 7 2009, the X PRIZE Foundation announced that 111 teams had registered by the February 2009 deadline. By July 8, 2009, the number of teams participating had fallen to 95. The next steps are design judging and then performance testing before the challenge prizes are awarded. You can see a list of the registered teams and pictures of some of the cool cars here.
Prize: $20 million
Challenge: Demonstrate in Scottish waters a commercially viable wave or tidal energy technology that achieves a minimum electrical output of 100GWh over a continuous 2 year period using only the power of the sea.
The Saltire prize is named after the cross of St. Andrew on the Scottish national flag and is an attempt to unlock Scotland’s vast marine energy. The prize is also meant to kick start Scotland’s marine renewable energy program and help meet their target of generating 50% of their electricity demand from renewable energy by 2020. The team that is judged to have the best overall technology after consideration of cost, environmental sustainability and safety will win the prize. Entries for the Saltire Prize will stay open until June 2013 with the winner chosen two years later.
Interesting Fact: The potential for renewable energy in Scotland is considerable. They have the potential to generate 25% of Europe’s wind energy, 25% of Europe’s tidal power and 10% of Europe’s wave power. You can watch a video about the Saltire prize here.
Prize: $25 Million
Challenge: The first person or organization to come up with a way of scrubbing greenhouse gases out of the Earth’s atmosphere to avoid global warming.
Some have estimated that around two hundred billion metric tons of carbon dioxide have accumulated in the atmosphere since the beginning of the industrial revolution. The Virgin Earth Challenge is intended to inspire inventors to find ways of bringing that back down again to avoid the dangerous levels of global warming and sea level rise predicted by some scientific organizations. The prize challenge was conceived and financed by Sir Richard Branson and Al Gore and will be awarded to the first plan that is capable of removing one billion metric tons of carbon dioxide from the atmosphere per year for 10 years. $5 million of the prize will be paid at the start of removal operations with the remaining $20 million paid after the successful completion of the plan at the end of the 10 year period. So if you are interested in saving the earth from the latest doomsday prophesy and winning $25 million at the same time you can get the entry form and the Virgin Earth Challenge guidelines here.
Interesting Fact: One approach that has been put forth attempts to catch carbon dioxide with artificial trees. The plastic trees are coated with a carbon-catching agent, allowing the carbon to be safely captured and sequestered.
Prize: $30 Million
Challenge: The only thing you have to do here is safely land a robot on the surface of the Moon, move it 500 meters over the lunar surface and send images and data back to the Earth.
The goal of this prize challenge is to inspire a new generation of private investment in hopes of developing more cost-effective technologies and materials. The first team to land on the Moon and complete the mission objectives will be awarded $20 million. The second team to do so will be awarded $5 million. Another $5 million will be awarded in bonus prizes. The competition is organized by the X PRIZE Foundation and sponsored by Google. After December 31, 2012 the first prize will drop to $15 million. The final deadline for winning this prize is December 31, 2014.
Interesting Fact: You can pick up an extra $5 million bonus prize for traveling long distances (greater than 5,000 meters), capturing images of manmade objects on the moon, detecting ice on one of the Moon’s craters, discovering the remains of Apollo program hardware, or surviving a lunar night. Before you organize your Lunar X prize team you should probably read more about the rules and competition guidelines here.
Prize: $1 Million
Challenge: Anyone who can show under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power.
This prize is offered by the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF). Randi states that both parties must agree in advance as to what conditions of the test constitute a “success” and what constitutes a “failure To claim, one must agree to the testing a protocol and must show in a preliminary test before a foundation representative that they are likely to succeed, and finally make a demonstration in a formal test in front of independent witnesses. To date, over 1,000 applications have been filed but no one has passed the preliminary test.
Interesting Fact: One of the excuses given by a famous psychic to avoid the challenge said “Randi has powerful anti-psychic powers, and his mere presence is sufficient to damp my own powers.” If you think you have the supernatural or paranormal ability to win the 1 million dollars you can start here with the official JREF application form.

























September 1st, 2009 at 1:37 am
i never win anything:(
September 1st, 2009 at 1:38 am
nice motivational attempts huh.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:46 am
I think the prize money would make you break even in most of these cases….
September 1st, 2009 at 1:56 am
The landing on the moon one sounds like it takes 20 million to even begin the construction of a rocket. . . and robot . . and landing gear. . .
This is probably for rich people anyway.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:00 am
virgin earth challenge while noble is the most ridiculous one on the list
September 1st, 2009 at 2:04 am
“there is frequently more to be learned from the unexpected questions of a child than the discourses of men, who talk in a road, according to the notions they have borrowed and the prejudices of their education” – John Locke
September 1st, 2009 at 2:10 am
the prize wasn’t as attractive as i thought
September 1st, 2009 at 2:11 am
the cost of putting a rocket into flight or the building of a robot is only defined by materials used and engineering ability. if you yourself are the engineer, the labor is free, and I guarantee it’d probably cost your average mechanical engineer about a brand new car’s worth of material to build a robot capable of moving in a straight line while snapping pictures(on a digital camera) at a pre-programmed rate(say, every 40-60 seconds). A computer engineer would assist in the programming of the robot. Fuel would be the cheapest portion of the whole thing-considering you could use any propellant or mix thereof to get something firing with enough power to propel it through our atmosphere.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:37 am
Great list, blogball.
I really like that you included the paranormal one.
The excuses that “new age” people give out are ridiculus.
It kinda shows how “anit-science” their ways are.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:04 am
i so just downloaded that application form ;D
im thinking of having my sisters dress up in sheets with two holes for eyes cut into them, thats gotta be proof enough right?
September 1st, 2009 at 3:07 am
in canada they had a political “new age” party in the 90’s, one of their platforms was to teach levitation in schools, they did demonstrate it – i don’t think it would have won the prize though because it looked more like hopping around cross legged
September 1st, 2009 at 3:21 am
cool. This inspires me to want to be a scientist someday.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:26 am
What about the Millenium Problems?
http://www.claymath.org/millennium/
September 1st, 2009 at 3:29 am
Concerning the Bonus price, there is a department from the university of Montpellier (France) that offered some time ago the same challenge for 1 Million Francs.
After more than ten years they stopped this because no one ever managed to be even close to win the million. there is a very interesting book about all the so-called paranormal experiences and how the scientists of this university (including a physics Nobel price winner!) explains why there is nothing paranormal with them.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:53 am
You would think that reversing global warming, which if real (I’m not going either way with this one right now)and possibly saving billions of lives, would award something more than $25 million.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:58 am
Was throughly enjoying the list until #2,
Didja HAVE to use a photo of Gore?
September 1st, 2009 at 4:01 am
Cool list, and just in case you’re listening Josh P, what season is that quote on?
September 1st, 2009 at 4:38 am
I’d win all these easily; i just could not be bothered
September 1st, 2009 at 4:49 am
@Olli (17): I hope you were joking, but I think he was referring to John Locke the philosopher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke
September 1st, 2009 at 4:51 am
the prizes in these contests do not seem even close to worth it. land on the mooon and collect data for 20 million please!!! Participants would be loosing money to even participate. Getting a robot to land on the moon move and collect pictures would cost way more than a price of the new car, keep in mind the conditions on the moon.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:12 am
The great James Randi! Of course only he would make up a challenge like this one, and OF COURSE, no was has beat it yet. HA HA.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:27 am
Nice one with the bonus… would be interesting to see that one with a winner.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:27 am
Some of these goals aren’t meant to be achievable within current time-frames without losing money. I think the point is to inspire people to attempt it once the technology is cheap enough or some miraculous breakthrough occurs.
For the vitro meat, any vegetarian who eats it will say it tastes like chicken anyway, so whats the point of fine-tuning the taste? As long as its nutritious vat grown meat that comes in cubes, I’m looking forward to naturally square chicken meat.
September 1st, 2009 at 5:44 am
I just knew that James Randi was going to be on this list! Maybe I’m physic!!
Stunning list, Blogball!
September 1st, 2009 at 5:46 am
nah…
September 1st, 2009 at 5:51 am
I only knew of The Saltire Prize. Heard about it over some dinner conversation.
You would think that the “fake” meat stuff that could cure world hunger would be a more impressive size prize then being $1m.
September 1st, 2009 at 6:17 am
Any of these could be a plot in a bond movie
September 1st, 2009 at 6:48 am
Excellent list as usual Blogball. Can’t wait for the next one!
These prizes are a great idea – I’m sure there are MIT students lining up to try. Wonderful way to spur R&D. And pretty cheap all things considered.
I’m pretty certain that I read somewhere that they’ve cultured beef in a vat. It was palatable enough (a little mushy maybe?) but was very expensive to produce. I too would be leery of anything a peta member says tastes like chicken – I’ve had those gross fake chicken tofu cubes that they espouse – Nasty.
Randi as a bonus is wonderful – he’ll be taking that reward money with him to the grave. Very few things in this world I’m sure about – this is one of them.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:49 am
I’ll give $1 Mill to the first person who can project lightning bolts out of their anus. Must not use any technological aid to do so, and must be strong and accurate enough to take down an oak tree.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:57 am
Next list should be the ones that were solved that would be good. I wonder if any of these will be achieved…
September 1st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Glad I came back to this site some new very interesting items which I wanted to know more about. Great work on your site.
September 1st, 2009 at 8:03 am
@oouchan (26): I agree…. Seems almost like petty cash considering the impact it could have on world food supplies.
That said, I also agree with Mom424 in saying that I would be highly suspicious of anything a PETA member says is “chicken-like”. I dont know about specific members, but just looking at the sea kitten ads I´m thinking these people are about 8 eggs short of a dozen…
The one I like the most is the Saltire Prize.
BTW: great list as usual Blogball!
September 1st, 2009 at 8:29 am
Great list – Blogball, the moon one would cost a whole lot more than the prize money, my pennies worth anyway.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Ah to be smarter and to win some money. The in-vitro meat scares me though, messing with food always worries me. Yeah I know we already have lots of genetically engineered food.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:20 am
Just an update – RAndi is actuyally discontinuing the prize as of next year I believe, since in the years and year’s it’s been offered, no one has even come close to meeting the criteria. Good plan while it lasted though.
Penn and Teller should do an episode of “Bullshit!” honouring Randi and his debunking efforts. I can’t imagine they’d have a problem getting him on the show.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:47 am
I would think #4 would be dangerous for Nessie.What if he/she runs into one of those turbines?-
September 1st, 2009 at 9:49 am
Great list, Blogball. This is one of the most interesting lists I have read. I think that with all the research, time and materials that would go into winning any of these prizes, the money prize would be secondary. I would think that most people do this type of research to better humanity. Though these prizes may sway someone to focus their research in a little different direction. A few are also focused on the millions of dollars to be reaped in something like the 100 MPG car or the in vitro meat.
@Kevin Chow (13): Thanks for the link, that was a really interesting cite, though I could only understand a couple of them, barely.
Jamie, happy birthday, late.
September 1st, 2009 at 9:57 am
Sweet list. The meat thing would be cool… And Gaulder i can do STATIC electricity from my ass. Could i get half that mil? …..
September 1st, 2009 at 10:24 am
For the record, it should be noted that from a careful reading of its rules and procedures, the “proper” conditions for Randi’s challenge actually consist of whatever James Randi arbitrarily decides them to be, and that winning the prize consists solely of convincing James Randi that paranormal phenomena are real and extant. The “contest” is nothing more than a self-serving publicity stunt, and has been specifically engineered so that Randi will never, under any conceivable circumstances, be required to pay out. Not really much of a contest, actually. Paranormal phenomena may or may not exist, but James Randi has already made up his mind, so the money is safe.
And yes, you may tag this (along with similar predictions made by others previously and elsewhere) as a prophetic, precognitive prediction of future events.
Q.E.D.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Great list blogball. I’m a huge fan of James Randi…there are many Youtube clips of him debunking charlatans. One of the more famous so-called mediums, Sylvia Brown, particularly avoids facing the challenge, giving various lame excuses. His website is pretty cool, they go into great detail about developing the protocols needed to perform a scientifically accurate test, and you can read about each specific challenger, see how they set up the mutually agreed-upon preliminary test, and how ultimately they all fail to pass into the next round. It’s pretty funny actually.
http://www.randi.org/site/
@boomslang (39): the “proper” conditions for Randi’s challenge actually consist of whatever James Randi arbitrarily decides them to be…The “contest” is nothing more than a self-serving publicity stunt, and has been specifically engineered so that Randi will never, under any conceivable circumstances, be required to pay out.
This bullshit complaint is a common one, and has been addressed and rebutted on his site and elsewhere. It’s basically “sour grapes” whining…bottom line for a person claiming paranormal ability is to either put up (under scientifically controlled conditions) or shut up. Simple, yet no one can do it.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:04 am
@astraya (24): astraya, you must have the gift. You should defiantly take the Randi challenge.
@mom424 (28): mom (or anyone else old enough) do you remember when Uri Geller was on Johnny Carson and he couldn’t do any of his tricks in front of Carson because Cason was a former magician?
@redcaboose (37): redcaboose, I agree the research, time and materials that would go into winning some of these prizes is probably secondary. It’s also good publicity for their company or organization and the money would just lighten the load a bit from the total cost. When I was reading up about all these challenges I came across the The Ansari X Prize. It was won in 2004 for the first non-government organization to launch a reusable manned spacecraft into space twice within two weeks. $10 million was the prize but more than $100 million was invested in new technologies to win.
@Gauldar (29):Gauldar I didn’t find your challenge in any of my research but it you would have let me know I would have defiantly put it as a 2nd bonus.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:07 am
By the way: Thanks for all the positive comments everyone.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:34 am
Oh my!!!, God bless Al Gore!
September 1st, 2009 at 11:54 am
Great list, I think the N-Prize is ridiculously cheap and that the in-vitro challenge was accomplished by McDonalds a long time ago, yuck!
September 1st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I don’t think in-vitro meat is not possible. At least not in a competitive price range. I am in no way an expert in in vitro culture of animal cells (for my masterthesis I do research in plant in vitro cultures), but I don’t think we will be able to grow animal cells fast and cheap enough.
September 1st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
“Cool list, and just in case you’re listening Josh P, what season is that quote on?”
“@Olli (17): I hope you were joking, but I think he was referring to John Locke the philosopher: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Locke”
I think I just peed my pants.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:03 pm
@Blogball (41): I actually did have a recollection of that. Managed to scrounge up the you tube link too.
Never was one for schadenfreude; I actually feel kind of sorry for poor old Uri. Never stood a chance.
September 1st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
@mom424 (47): What a great clip and Randi is in it to boot. Thanks mom, my brother was the one who e-mailed me after he read this list and reminded me about it so I will make sure he sees this clip too.
September 1st, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Wow! One of the best lists in a long time!
A while back I read that there are huge prizes given away for people who find really huge prime numbers. Try Googling it, I’m sure you can find the information.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I too was thinking of the prime number prizes. I hope you don’t see this as pimping the cause, just information.
The prizes are listed at http://www.eff.org/awards/coop
The easiest way to participate is to run the distributed-computing client of GIMPS (Great Internet Mersenne Prime Search) at http://www.mersenne.org/
The $100,000 prize should have been claimed last year, but the status hasn’t been updated. And the $150,000 prize is probably decades away at this rate. But you never know if somebody might make a huge breakthrough in prime-number crunching.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:21 pm
@Blogball (41): Maybe I can ring up James Randi and say “I predict that you will debunk this prediction”.
September 1st, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Great list!
September 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pm
PETA? Fried chicken? What do they use for comparison, a chicken that died of natural causes?
September 1st, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Great! I’ll start working on all of these….Tomorrow…
September 1st, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Ah, rats. All these are scientific. I couldn’t do that stuff.
28 mom424
“Randi as a bonus is wonderful – he’ll be taking that reward money with him to the grave. Very few things in this world I’m sure about – this is one of them.”
I agree with you, but since I kinda believe in some of that stuff, I think the Foundation may have to pay it out at some point. If there is some way to measure paranormal (meaning “unable to be explained or understood in terms of scientific knowledge” encarta.msn.dictionary) phenomena, in the future.
Talk about weird coincidence…I was just in another forum and made a remark about Randi and then came here and there he was! WooOOOoo!
September 1st, 2009 at 9:55 pm
@Mabel (55): I was thinking the same thing, aren’t there any humanities prizes? Science and math aren’t my thing
September 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pm
40. Maggot, I think what Boomslang was saying is that the challenge is not fair because the standards Randi set were just too much in his favor, making the money as safe as Randi wants it to be.
A guy could walk in there and levitate and they would say we (JREF) are in a state of delusion and the cameras that recorded it were malfunctioning therefore that guy’s claim to be paranormal is denied.
September 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
I better get busy, ha ha ha. I could use the money, but I’m afraid I don’t have the brains to do any of these. Good list!
September 1st, 2009 at 10:49 pm
@hunter (40), exactly.
Randi’s Paranormal Challenge is arguably the single greatest and most convincing illusion of his entire career.
September 1st, 2009 at 11:15 pm
@hunter (57): I think what Boomslang was saying is that the challenge is not fair because the standards Randi set were just too much in his favor
I know what he was saying, and in response I’m saying he’s full of shit. Show me one instance where the standards “aren’t fair”. They only seem to be “too much in his favor” because the protocols are specifically designed to remove any possibility of deceit on the part of the claimant. No false-positives. Such is the intent of “scientific control”. Because so-called paranormal ability is basically a complete sham, of course the protocols appear to be slanted in Randi’s favor. How else could the claimant perform the alleged ability without resorting to trickery?
making the money as safe as Randi wants it to be.
I honestly think he would be happy to be a part of actually proving a case of legitimate paranormal ability. Why wouldn’t he want that? It would be a great discovery for science.
A guy could walk in there and levitate and they would say we (JREF) are in a state of delusion and the cameras that recorded it were malfunctioning therefore that guy’s claim to be paranormal is denied.
That’s total hyperbole with no basis in fact. Are you saying the ability to levitate is an actual phenomenon? If it is, then it should be able to be repeated under scientifically controlled conditions.
@boomslang (59): Randi’s Paranormal Challenge is arguably the single greatest and most convincing illusion of his entire career.
Please back up your accusation with something of substance. Talking out of your ass doesn’t count.
September 2nd, 2009 at 12:42 am
to me, and then again i’m REALLY lazy, i think the prize money isn’t worth the end result.. sure the whole good on the earth thing is a plus but would the cost of coming up with the said deeds be worth the money in the end, whats the point of spending 2 million to win 1.65 million.
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:33 am
@Maggot: Watch your mouth, child.
The crux is Rule 15 (in ALL CAPS, because after all, it is his last line of defense against ever having to pay out): Randi himself gets to set the conditions of what constitutes “proof”, and if the applicant refuses to agree to them, the application is flatly refused with no recourse for appeal or resolution. If, for example, some theoretical “genuine” psychic were to apply, Randi could still demand some logically-impossible, or beyond-the-claimed-ability-of-the-applicant criteria, and then use the challenger’s inability to agree to it as the basis for rejection.
This is not how the Scientific Method works, and it is not ethical to claim otherwise.
Now while it is true that Uri Geller is a well-documented fraud, and PEAR has so many holes in their methodology as to be laughable, et cetera et cetera, what Randi is doing is only exposing frauds; it is explicitly NOT any sort of “scientific investigation” as he so intently claims. REAL scientists doing REAL science have only hypotheses, not preconceptions. Cf. Karl Popper and proper falsifiability criteria — Randi always leaves himself room to reject any evidence offered if it would require him to abandon his worldview.
True, he performs a useful public service by busting woo-woo con artists left and right, but please do not insult actual scientists by helping to perpetuate the misconception that Randi is one of them…
September 2nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
@hunter (57):
@boomslang (59):
1- The conditions will be approved beforehand by both parties: “Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result.”
2. The prize requires a scientific test, one that must be repeatable and observable: “Only an actual performance of the stated nature and scope, within the agreed-upon limits, will be accepted. Anecdotal accounts or records of previous events are not accepted nor considered.”
I think the point of those rules is to avoid extremely hazy results. If not, you might get a psychic “seeing the future” and predict a result 10 years from now while demanding the prize money today. Ain´t gonna happen.
Yes, Randi demands proof and the proof is not specified because different supernatural claims would provide different types of proof (ex: a psychic reading the future vs. a ghost).
Again, the deal is, and I quote: “test protocol has been mutually agreed upon”.
September 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
If you spend some time on the Randi site, you will quickly see the Randi challenge is just as biased as the ‘challenge’ to prove evolution (for 1 million dollars! Just prove evolution and you’ll be rich!!) put out by some fundamentalist Christians- nothing will ever win either of them because the people holding the challenge are prejudiced and carrying a bias into the testing. They admit it right on the website that they don’t want anyone to win and they will attempt to nullify any demonstration in any legitimate way possible.
These ‘challenges’ are bogus media hype to get attention and preach to the choir- to those who belief anyone with paranormal beliefs is stupid or crazy or (conveniently, always a lesser than them- must feel good for the ego to be so smart)- or anyone who believes that athiests or purescience folks ‘can’t see the light’, they have their minds made and they won’t be changed.
One example for the Randi challenges bias is this: when testing an individual for OBE, they wanted them to read off numbers that were hidden in the room. The individual couldn’t read off the numbers, but when they awoke, they informed Randi’s team of certain things they were doing in a seperate room (in no contact or view of the individual), to which Randi’s team admitted they couldn’t explain, that the individual had accurately described things that really were happening in another room, but since he didn’t read the numbers, he was disqualified.
Science is not biased; this is a scam for attention and a discredit to scientists everywhere. Most of the people they test are genuinely affected by serious mental health issues, and they are mocked horribly on the site’s forums. It’s ridiculous and shameful, and only serves to insulate their own cultish view of the world, just like the Christian evolution challenge.
Again, it’s embarassing and shameful, and the simple fact that they define the success of the contest by being able to scientifically prove concepts that by their very definition are not explained by science- that they must be able to scientifically explain any paranormal proof for an individual to win, when the two by definition are mutually exclusive- should show anyone with basic logic skills that the event is a circus.
It’s an insult to people who put their faith in science.
September 2nd, 2009 at 3:49 pm
@KGraves (64): Science that you would likely approve of tried to prove its existence too – and failed. The CIA in the 50’s and 60’s and early 70’s; abandoned because it isn’t real. Lordy even The Russians bailed on the research. Same reason. If it can’t be done under controlled conditions and be repeated under those same conditions – it’s not real. From what I’ve read, conditions that Randi (I agree – he is an attention monger) insists upon are just that – conditions that meet the scientific method. Test conditions are not the reason that no-one has claimed the prize – the prize has not been claimed because there is no such thing as ESP.
September 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 pm
i wanna join the bonus contest but then again
“Randi has powerful anti-psychic powers, and his mere presence is sufficient to damp my own powers.”
rofl
September 2nd, 2009 at 8:12 pm
65: Mom.
Great. You ignored the point of my post entirely to focus on writing something that fed your ego and let you feel like you were contributing some ‘fact of knowledge’ that shows how enlightened you are. Do you feel smart now?
Because if you can read, your post doesn’t even address what I was writing about. In fact, it shows the exact same ignorance and prejudice I was warning against- but of course- like I already stated- there’s no point, because I won’t be able to get through to you (cue strawman).
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
KGraves
you ignored mom. There is no such thing. If something is true it can be done under any tests. if you can levitate it doesnt matter what randi asks of you. Please, there is no bias in fact. shut up. of course randi has to be like that, PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO PROVE SOMETHING THAT DOESNT EXSIST IN THE NATURAL WORLD.
don’t attack mom over your ignorance of how the world works. Go to college take a physics class.
You contradict yourself many times while trying to show your intelligence, while rather you sound disturbingly misguided in life. im guessing you believe in god, jesus, zues, baal, satan, santa and all their unbias magic. grow up and dont breed.
cliff notes. facts have no bias. KGRAVES attacks mom while sounding like a mouthbreather
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 pm
boomslang:
“This is not how the Scientific Method works, and it is not ethical to claim otherwise.”
maybe you dont know how the method works. We actually try as hard as we can to prove something wrong. we make a hypothesis and attempt to prove it wrong. if we cant it’s true. what is he doing differently? facts are facts are facts.
and you’d be crazy if someone actually could do something paranormal and you think randi would try to cover it up. we dont do that in the scientific community. because if someone passed randi’s test they would have to pass a myriad of other tests by other scientists to prove it. it would be a breakthrough!!
sorry to bust your magic bubble. welcome to earth. where the truth is always harder to explain than some shit you just made up.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:50 am
An interesting fact about Armadillo Aerospace is that it was started by John Carmack, the creator of the Doom and Wolfenstein video games.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:23 pm
@KGraves (64):
Regarding the example you mentioned, I dont think it´s necessarily worng of the Randi team did not award this fellow the prize. The rules are fairly straight forward: to compete, you must find mutually acceptable test results. The man obvisouly agreed that in order to win, he would have to read the numbers. He failed.
Now, in the interest of curiosity, I would have taken this experiment and gone one step further: if this man can again and again accurately describe what was going on in the other room, then he should win.
Now, just one more clarification: I dont think the object is to EXPLAIN paranormal phenomenon (no one is asking exactly how this stuff happens) they want to prove if it even exists. In order to scientifically prove its existance, they must be able to repeatedly test it. For instance: accurately predicting actions being performed in the next room over and over and over again.
And just so you know, I do believe in the “supernatural” call it God, sixth sense, etc. and yet I dont think the rules for this challange are unfair. You want to PROVE it exists, you have to work for it.
“Randi has powerful anti-psychic powers, and his mere presence is sufficient to damp my own powers.”
Please.
September 3rd, 2009 at 4:35 pm
@boomslang (62): Watch your mouth, child.
Lol I’ll be sure to do that, just because you said so.
The crux is Rule 15…Randi himself gets to set the conditions of what constitutes “proof”, and if the applicant refuses to agree to them, the application is flatly refused with no recourse for appeal or resolution.
That’s not exactly what rule 15 says. But in a sense, sure, Randi should have some say in what constitutes a successful demonstration of paranormal ability. For one thing, you want to ensure that the level of proof is greater than what could be achieved by statistical chance. You don’t want to be paying out the prize money because some “clairvoyant” claims he can accurately predict a coin-flip 50% of the time and then goes about doing just that.
If, for example, some theoretical “genuine” psychic were to apply, Randi could still demand some logically-impossible, or beyond-the-claimed-ability-of-the-applicant criteria, and then use the challenger’s inability to agree to it as the basis for rejection.
Of course I obviously can’t deny this as being possible, but in reality has he ever done that? To what end would that achieve? There’s more at stake than just giving away the money. If a person truly has an ability, it’s not like Randi is the only possible outlet for proving it, and actually the publicity that would be generated by such a hypothetical person would be enough to prevent Randi from copping out in such an obvious way. At least not without being publicly humiliated and possibly sued. It’s not like he’s operating behind a cloak of anonymity. If someone truly has an ability, no “unfair obstacles” put up by Randi (whether genuine or perceived) should prevent a person from successfully demonstrating it.
please do not insult actual scientists by helping to perpetuate the misconception that Randi is one of them
I never said Randi was a scientist, but you don’t have to be one to employ scientific methodologies. Also, you seem to imply that “real scientists” are infallible. Don’t get me wrong, I have utmost respect for members of the scientific community, but they can be fooled. Geller has done it. So has Randi.
@KGraves (64): One example for the Randi challenges bias is this: when testing an individual for OBE, they wanted them to read off numbers that were hidden in the room. The individual couldn’t read off the numbers, but when they awoke, they informed Randi’s team of certain things they were doing in a seperate room (in no contact or view of the individual), to which Randi’s team admitted they couldn’t explain, that the individual had accurately described things that really were happening in another room, but since he didn’t read the numbers, he was disqualified.
How is this “biased”? I’m not familiar with the details of this particular case you refer to, but it sounds to me like the typical “bait and switch” tactic of a huckster. The claimant breached the contract protocols, not Randi. The test was specifically designed to test for a certain, mutually agreed upon outcome, and when the claimant could not produce (which he likely already knew he would not be able to), he attempted to cloud the results and confuse the panel by going out of scope with something for which no controls were established. Typical misdirection play. If this person’s ability is in fact true, then why don’t they put in another claim in effort to produce those results instead? Perhaps JREF doesn’t allow “second tries”? Then why hasn’t he gone on to prove it elsewhere, rather than fade into obscurity like every other phony? I agree with mom424 that Randi is an attention monger, but any true ability should be able to pass scrutiny of even the most rigid of tests.
September 3rd, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I truly loved this list… mostly because of its strange subject matter. Very interesting, just makes me with i payed more attention in science class.
September 4th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Very cool list, but it only takes about 10 minutes of research to see that the N-Challenge is impossible.
There is no <$1500 rocket capable of making it even close to space, let alone orbit. Okay, so what about launching a rocket from a weather balloon?
Launching a rocket from a balloon was considered even in the very first attempts to put a satellite in orbit. It was quickly dismissed though since even at the maximum altitude for a balloon, you're only reducing the performance requirements of the rocket by a small fraction.
A balloon is going to top out at 35km (or less). You still need a rocket that can gain an additional 115km+ altitude and (harder still) at least 15,000mph horizontal velocity. A rocket capable of this is still too large to realistically be lifted with balloons anyway, and far and away beyond the capabilities of any amateur rocket, let alone the $1500 max of the challenge.
September 6th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I’m not saying that I belive psychics and the like are real, in fact I don’t believe in them at all (which doesn’t mean they don’t exist). All I’m saying is maybe Randi’s standards are not fair because it gives him a lot of power to decide what is real and not.
Wouldn’t it be more fair if the “judges” consists of not only Randi’s team but another team who believes in those stuff (paranormal)?
I mean if a singing contest was held and the judges are accountants who know nothing about music, would it be fair to the contestants?
September 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
@hunter (75): All I’m saying is maybe Randi’s standards are not fair because it gives him a lot of power to decide what is real and not. Wouldn’t it be more fair if the “judges” consists of not only Randi’s team but another team who believes in those stuff (paranormal)?
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html
Excerpt:
“All tests must be designed in such a way that the results are self-evident, so that no judging or voting process is required.”
Try again…