Rapidly catching up to our unsolved mysteries lists is our series on conspiracy theories. Thanks to the hard work of FlameHorse we now have fifty complete conspiracy theories listed on the site. This is likely to be the last in the series for quite some time. To view the older lists, go here.
Denver International Airport is the largest airport in the United States, and the third largest in the world. Conspiracy theorists crawl all over this as the secret cover for the New World Order’s underground headquarters. Their reasoning is that the base is abnormally far from Denver’s center, 25 miles. The airport is extremely expansive, and boasts a very strange architectural appearance. The main building is comprised on a tent structure, similar to a circus tent, made of white fabric, that is designed to remind the visitor of the snow-capped Rocky Mountains, which can be seen from the airport.
But theorists claim that it is designed to resemble Indian teepees, in an effort to appease the dead Indians buried here. It is a fact that the main airport building is centered precisely on what once was an Indian burial ground. But creepier than this are the weird murals in the main building. Their designers claim to have been required to use such symbols as the Nazi Black Sun, and a scene depicting the destruction of a city and forest, with a girl holding a Mayan tablet prophesying the end of the world, and any conspiracy theorist will tell you that the room’s name, “The Great Hall,” is an obvious reference to Freemasonry.
It is a fact that the murals were commissioned by Wilma Webb, wife of Denver’s mayor, and that she conducted a Masonic dedication of the airport just before its opening.
Of all the New World Order conspiracy theories, this one sounds the most plausible. They are a real organization that meets once or, at most, twice a year, renting out entire floors of remote and expensive hotels. No one knows who the members are, except other members, of which there may be 20, or several hundred.
They are thought to be powerful financiers, businessmen, politicians, and generals, whose sole intent is to control the world’s economies, wars, politics, anything that helps them make money. Henry Kissinger is known to have been a member at one time. Tony Blair is rumored to be one. Both Bushes are rumored to be members, as is Vladimir Putin.
Their bodyguards at these meetings are privately-hired mercenaries. The group was formed during the Cold War by Joseph Retinger, who was the CEO of the European Movement, a progressive organization designed with the aim of a single world government. The EM was funded by the CIA, and its contacts were a who’s who of global governmental and military powers. Retinger believed that the world could be at peace if peace could be brokered among a small group of the world’s elite, leaving the public out of the equation.
The problem with Retinger’s idea is that the Bilderberg Group must have absolute power to pull this off, and if it has that much power, war can be brokered just as readily as peace. The theory claims that the Bilderberg Group marketed all the major wars of the last half a century, beginning with the Korean War, and including both Gulf Wars, and the War in Afghanistan.
The most convincing evidence against them is that they are known to have discussed, in 1955, the need for a tightly bound European Market. A year and a half later, the European Common Market was established by the Treaty of Rome.
Whenever the phrase “single world government” crops up, conspiracy theorists whip out the Revelation. The Revelation describes the Antichrist as not taking over the world by force, but by charm, as a politician. The theory now purports that one of the Bilderberg Group’s members is in fact possessed by Satan, who is slowly but surely drawing his plans against us.
Reporters are not allowed into hotel premises while the Group meets, and have been threatened at gunpoint to leave. Jon Ronson, a journalist of Channel 4 News, in the UK, sneaked past security and spied on one of these meetings at the summer retreat Bohemian Grove, during which he claims that a human effigy was burned beneath a statue of a 40 foot owl.
Karen Silkwood was a chemical technician at the Kerr-McGee Nuclear Power Plant outside Crescent, OK, from 1973 to her death on November 13 of the next year. Her job was manufacturing plutonium pellets for nuclear reactor fuel rods, which is also Homer Simpson’s job at the Springfield Power Plant.
As soon as she began working at the plant she joined a labor union and became one of its chief speakers and strike organizers, complaining of numerous health code violations: workers were being exposed to nuclear contamination, their respiratory equipment was grossly faulty, nuclear samples and waste were improperly stored, and worst of all, there were not enough shower facilities to accommodate all the plant’s workers. This meant that after working with plutonium-239, which is extraordinarily poisonous, workers were going home to their families with plutonium residue possibly on their clothing.
Plutonium-239 is the isotope typically used in nuclear weapons and reactor fuel. It has a half-life of 24,100 years, and is more poisonous by inhalation or skin contact than hydrogen cyanide. Silkwood testified about these problems to the Atomic Energy Commission in the summer of 1974. She alleged among other things that workers were not handling the fuel rods correctly, and that Kerr-McGee knew this and was falsifying reports to save money and avoid lawsuits.
On November 5, 1974, she performed a routine self-check and found almost 400 times the legal limit for plutonium contamination. She was decontaminated at the plant and sent home with a testing kit to collect urine and feces for further analysis. Oddly, though there was plutonium on the exterior surfaces of the gloves she had been using, the gloves had no holes in them. This means that the contamination did not come from inside the glovebox, but somewhere else.
She tested positive for plutonium the next morning at the plant, even though she had not gone anywhere near any plutonium. She was decontaminated more intensely. The next morning, upon arrival for work, she was so contaminated that she was exhaling plutonium. A health team took her home and tested her house, and found plutonium everywhere, especially in the bathroom and refrigerator.
She and her spouse and children were flown to the Los Alamos National Laboratory to be tested in depth. No one has agreed to this day how she was contaminated so intensely over a 3-day period. She claimed that she being deliberately poisoned, probably by the plant, to keep her quiet. Kerr-McGee countered that she had poisoned herself, to blame and sue the plant. It is a fact that at the time, security was so light, that workers could smuggle plutonium pellets out in their lunchboxes. One worker gave a pellet to his son to take to show-and-tell at school.
Kerr-McGee found several pieces of lab equipment in her house, including beakers and test tubes, and accused her of contaminating herself to sue them. She countered that she had no idea any such equipment was in he house and accused the plant of breaking in and putting it there to kill her.
By November 13, she had a large stack of documents proving her claims, she said. A witness testified that she had a binder and papers. She left a union meeting that morning, and drove for Oklahoma City, 30 miles away. Her car was found that evening, having run off the road and smashed into a concrete bridge railing. She was dead and there were no documents in her car. Quaaludes were found inside, and twice the dose for drowsiness was found in her blood. But skid marks were found leading to her car, indicating that she slammed on the brakes and desperately tried to get back on the road, while being pushed from behind by another vehicle. This means she was awake at the time of her death, but the official cause of death, overseen by a plant employee was “one-car sleeping-driver accident.”
Her family sued Kerr-McGee and won 1.38 million.
The conspiracy theory states that there must have been a very good reason for Kerr-McGee to take such a risk in putting a hit out on someone as publicly known by then as Karen Silkwood. A reason better than proof of lax security and occupational hazards. A federal investigation the next year discovered that an amount between 44 and 66 pounds of plutonium-239 went missing from the plant. It is still missing, and the theorists believe that ex-Kerr-McGee chairmen know exactly where it is, or to whom it was sold. The company was shut down in 1975, and the site is still being decontaminated after 30 years.
44 pounds of plutonium can make 4 nuclear weapons, each powerful enough to level all 5 boroughs of New York City.
A very insidious theory. On July 17, 1944, the Port Chicago Naval Magazine in Port Chicago, CA, blew up, and killed 320 sailors and civilians, and injured 390 others. Most of the dead and injured were enlisted black sailors.
The port served as a final munitions depot for naval vessels about to depart for the Pacific Theater. The black sailors were required to offload and store these munitions, of all types, even though none of them had ever been trained in handling munitions. Black sailors at the time were given the menial labor jobs of cooking, cleaning, and loading ships with non-dangerous gear, such as food, cooking utensils, engine repair equipment, etc.
The SS E. A. Bryan docked at the inboard, landward side of Port Chicago’s single 1,500-foot pier at 8:15 a.m. on July 13, 1944. It arrived at the dock with empty cargo holds but was carrying a full load of 5,292 barrels of bunker C heavy fuel oil for its intended trip across the Pacific Ocean. At 10 a.m. that same day, seamen from the ordnance battalion began loading the ship with munitions. After four days of around-the-clock loading, about 4,600 tons of explosives had been stored in its holds. The ship was about 40% full by the evening of July 17.
At 10 p.m., Division Three’s 98 men were loading E. A. Bryan with 1,000-pound bombs into No. 3 hold, 40 mm shells into No. 5 hold, and fragmentation cluster bombs into No. 4 hold. Incendiary bombs were being loaded as well; these bombs weighed 650 pounds each and were “live”—they had their fuzes installed. The incendiary bombs were being loaded carefully one at a time into No. 1 hold—the hold with a winch brake that might have been inoperable.
The sailors had been told that none of the munitions were live, because they had no fuzes, and thus could not detonate. This was incorrect, and led them not to becoming careless.
A boxcar delivery containing a new airborne anti-submarine depth charge bomb design, the Mark 47 armed with 252 pounds of torpex, was being loaded into No. 2 hold. The torpex charges were more sensitive than TNT to external shock and container dents. On the pier, resting on three parallel rail spurs, were sixteen rail cars holding about 430 tons of explosives. In all, the munitions on the pier and in the ship contained the equivalent of approximately 2 kilotons of TNT.
At 10:18 p.m., witnesses reported hearing a noise described as “a metallic sound and rending timbers, such as made by a falling boom.” Immediately afterward, an explosion occurred on the pier and a fire started. Between five and seven seconds later, a more powerful explosion took place as the majority of the ordnance within and near the SS E. A. Bryan detonated in a huge fireball some 3 miles in diameter. Chunks of glowing hot metal and burning ordnance were flung over 12,000 feet into the air. The E. A. Bryan was completely destroyed and the Quinault was blown out of the water, torn into sections and thrown in several directions; the stern landed upside down in the water 500 feet away. U.S. Coast Guard fire boat CG-60014-F was thrown 600 feet upriver, where it sank. The pier, along with its boxcars, locomotive, rails, cargo and men, was blasted into pieces. Nearby boxcars, waiting within their revetments to be unloaded at midnight, were bent inward and crumpled by the force of the shock.
The port’s barracks and other buildings and much of the surrounding town were severely damaged. Shattering glass and a rain of jagged metal and undetonated munitions caused many additional injuries among both military and civilian populations, although no one outside the immediate pier area was killed. Nearly $9.9 million worth of damage ($120 million in current value) was caused to U.S. Government property. Seismographs at the University of California, Berkeley sensed the two shockwaves traveling through the ground, determining the second, larger event to be equivalent to an earthquake measuring 3.4 on the Richter scale.
The conspiracy theory claims that this explosion was not caused by handling error, but was a deliberate test of a nuclear bomb. It was studied by the same team working on the Manhattan Project at the time, and this team concluded that the resulting damage was typical of a small nuclear explosion, not a conventional one. In 1980, Peter Vogel discovered a photograph by Paul Masters, a technician at Los Alamos, which had the caption “ball of fire mushroom out at 18,000 ft in typical Port Chicago fashion.”
Theorists believe that the bomb was tested on black sailors to study the effects of the blast on humans, since this had never been observed, and the testers, high-ranking authorities in the U. S. Government, considered the munitions depot the perfect cover, and further, an accident predominantly resulting in the deaths of black sailors was less likely to kick up a fuss.
This theory is quite massive and earth-shattering in scope. It has made it into one of the X-Files movies. It claims that either there are aliens currently alive under the Antarctic ice, or the remains of an ancient alien civilization is there. They artificially created the ice to cover their base, and if there now, they are working on various insidious experiments studying embryonic alien gestation in the host-bodies of humans.
The most astounding part of this theory is that it has a singular monumental article of evidence in support of it: the Piri Reis map, drawn in 1513. Piri Reis was an Arabic admiral (and pirate), who charted most of the South Atlantic Ocean, with such awe-inspiring accuracy that theorists speculate that he did not draw the map, but was given it by aliens, who charted the actual coastline of Antarctica. The coastline of Antarctica cannot be seen today, as it is covered by ice to an average depth of 1 mile.
So how did Piri Reis chart it? The question remains, “Did he chart it correctly, or just guess?” NASA has taken X-ray, false-color, and infrared satellite photographs of the continent since satellites have been in orbit. Their findings match Piri Reis’s map precisely. They have argued that the map is a forgery from much later in the 1800s. Antarctica wasn’t discovered until 1818.
But to claim that the map is forged betrays secrecy. What would NASA want to hide? An alien base, with which they are in cahoots, in exchange for alien technology, or just to keep the remains secret for their private study.
You already know a lot about the so-called Bermuda Triangle. The three points are Bermuda, Miami, and Puerto Rico. Many planes and more than 50 ships, many of them gargantuan cargo ships, have disappeared without a trace in this area, and no one has agreed on a universal cause.
Conspiracy theorists have put forward some astonishing and terrifying possibilities of just what the Triangle is, and they all claim something to do with time travel. It is a fact that the Bermuda Triangle is one of only two places on Earth where a compass does not point to North. The other place is the North Pole. In the Bermuda Triangle, the compass spins. Pilots and ships no longer have to reply on compasses, and this has not caused problems for most people.
But for the people who had problems, the results leave you in awe. The most convincing evidence that there is something supernatural (or unexplained by science) going on in the Triangle occurred on June 7, 1964, when Carolyn Cascio flew her Cessna, with one passenger, from Nassau, Bahamas, destined for Grand Turk Island. This is a trip of 465 miles one way, southeast.
Keep in mind that all of the following is verifiably true.
Cascio left Nassau Airport, traveling southeast toward Cockburn Town, Grand Turk Island, and around her expected time of arrival, she radioed to Nassau Airport, firstly that her compass was “spinning erratically,” and then that she could not raise JAGs McCartney International Airport, of Cockburn, on the radio. She apparently left her microphone keyed in the open position, thus enabling JAGs Airport control to hear the conversation between the pilot and her passenger. What follows is an extract from that dialogue.
Cascio: “I don’t understand this. I must have made a wrong turn. This should be Grand Turk, but there’s nothing down there, no airport, no houses.”
Passenger: “Right,”
Cascio: “It’s the right place on the map, and the shape is right and all, but this island looks uninhabited. Look, no buildings, no roads, nothing. It has to be Grand Turk, but it’s not there. It looks like Grand Turk but it just can’t be.”
At the same time that she claimed to be circling the island, people in many places on Grand Turk Island claimed to see a small airplane circle the island for approximately 30 minutes.
JAGs Airport, having seen her with the naked eye and on radar, tried desperately to contact her, but was never able to do so. It was assumed that most attempts to do so would fail due to her open-mic position, but several times while she circled, her conversation with her passenger was interrupted by static for 1 to 3 seconds. Airport control took these to be moments at which she was attempting to radio the Airport. At this point, JAGs Airport control knew that something was seriously wrong. Cascio was flying directly above the airport in clear conditions but apparently could not see it. All attempts to contact her over the radio failed.
After half an hour of circling, the airport picked up Cascio’s last words: “Is there no way out of this?” She then apparently made a decision to fly to another island. In bewilderment, the entire airport staff watched as she banked sharply to the left and flew out across the sea. The airplane flew into a low-lying cloudbank, but was not seen exiting the other side. On her return trip, she was able to radio Nassau Airport that she was convinced that she must not be over Grand Turk Island, although her charts indicated that the island below was the exact shape of Grand Turk Island, and where Grand Turk Island should have been. But because she could find no airport at which to land, she was forced to depart.
She decided to return on exactly the same course she had taken, northwest for Nassau, Bahamas, placing the afternoon sun at her 10 o’clock position. She radioed that she expected to have sufficient fuel for the return trip, but that in case of emergency, she would land at any airport or airstrip on the way, as she would be in the vicinity of various Bahamian islands for the entire trip.
She remained in radio contact with Nassau for approximately 30 more minutes, after which she was never heard from again. No radio transmission from either Cascio or Nassau Airport was picked up by any interposing radio station. An extensive search turned up no sign of airplane wreckage or human survivors. No one on any island, over or near which she passed, reported seeing a return trip of her airplane.
Conspiracy theorists generally believe that Cascio flew through a rip in space-time, and arrived over Grand Turk Island at some point in the distant past, before the island had undergone urban development of any kind, or become inhabited by humans. This theory requires that her radio transmissions were able to pass through the rip in space-time and back to Nassau Airport at the present day. This theory also requires that the present-day inhabitants of Grand Turk Island were able to see her plane circle the island for 30 minutes, though it had already passed through the rip in space-time, or was still inside the rip.
Because no sign of her, her passenger, or her airplane was ever found, this theory continues that during her return for Nassau, she flew through the same rip in space-time and was not able to return to the present day, thus landing at some point in the past. If this were true, it would still be possible to find the remains of her airplane, but as yet, no wreckage has been found, neither on land nor in the ocean.
A conspiracy theory’s got to have a creepy name. It is alleged that near the end of WWII, when Germany knew all was lost, many high-ranking Nazis secretly escaped to countries with no extradition policies, like Argentina and Indonesia. These Nazis include Hitler, according to the theory, who was never caught.
The Odessa was in 3 divisions, the first headed by Otto Skorzeny (pictured above), who devised a way of smuggling Nazis out of Europe. The second, headed by Reinhard Gehlen, the chief of Nazi Intelligence, was a global organization of Nazi spies, based in Munich, which would called itself “the Org.” The third, headed by Martin Bormann, oversaw the smuggling of Nazi gold, most of it stolen from Jews, out of Europe.
But the most insidious chapter of this theory involves the cooperation of the U. S. Government. The Nazis would never have made it through Allied sealanes all the way down the Atlantic, or North past England for the North Pole and beyond. The OSS, which became the CIA, aided some Nazis in escaping, in exchange for technology.
Otto Skorzeny, the primary architect of The Odessa was captured by Americans, and yet never faced a war crimes tribunal. He was released in 1947. Gehlen is rumored to have used $200 million in American taxes to establish “the Org” into a permanent Nazi spy ring.
Project Paperclip, which is factual, led to the importation of Nazis scientists, including Wernher von Braun, were brought to work for NASA, and the theory claims that without such assistance, there never would have been a CIA or a moon landing.
When Gehlen was caught by Americans, he bargained for his release by offering microfilm copies of all intelligence that Nazi spies had gleaned from Russia. The OSS immediately made a deal for this intelligence and removed Gehlen’s name from its list of Nazi war criminals.
The head of the OSS at this time, Alan Dulles, had an older brother named John Dulles, who was Secretary of State under Eisenhower, and the American liaison to IG Farben, a pharmaceutical company that had a plant operating inside Auschwitz, and manufactured the Zyklon-B crystals used in the gas chambers.
The theory alleges that the Egyptians traveled to England and built Stonehenge around 3500 to 2500 BC, with Jewish labor, or else aliens constructed it. The most convincing evidence for extra-terrestrial construction is that the entire site has no fields of discarded waste rocks, pebbles, boulders that were never used, etc. The area around Stonehenge is immaculately grassy, and this is not the case with the Giza Pyramid Complex. There are huge blocks of stone all over the desert around the pyramids.
How could primitive people have moved the blocks for Stonehenge from 250 miles away without leaving any trace of the journey? Many of the blocks are known to have come from a quarry 20 miles away, but at 25 tons per block, this is still an incredible feat. The 250-mile journey from Wales was made for the bluestones, which comprise the inner circle of Stonehenge.
Aside from the immaculate surroundings, the entire structure is built on the basis of the square root of 3. It seems unlikely that the Druids, who most think built it, would have had such command of mathematics in 3500 BC. And why the importance on the square root of 3?
The Egyptians were outstanding astronomers, and built the Giza Pyramids to correspond with both the Orion Constellation, and the path of the sun and the moon. Stonehenge does the same thing. The inner circle is arranged in such a way that solar and lunar eclipses can be predicted by lining the sun or moon up with the stones. The square root of 3 features prominently in the Giza Pyramid Complex.
If aliens did not build it, the Egyptians may have built it using alien technology, in order to honor their extraterrestrial visitors. The same has been theorized for the Giza Pyramids.
Standard theory states that the Sphinx was carved from a limestone outcropping of the Giza Plateau sometime after 2540 BC. Conspiracy theorists claim that it was built around 10,000 BC, by Atlanteans. John West and Robert Schock, Egyptologists, have agreed that the erosion of the Sphinx was caused not by sand and wind, but by water, and the only time this could have happened was 10,000 years ago. But there weren’t even Egyptians then.
It is a fact that in 1996, archaeologists from Florida State University discovered rooms and tunnels in front of it. A year earlier, a door was uncovered in the side, to which the Egyptian authorities immediately barred admittance, with armed personnel patrolling it at all times now. I know a few professors at FSU in the archaeology department that have confirmed these discoveries. Egypt has banned all excavations of the Sphinx, complaining that it is being damaged, which is something archaeologists are very careful not to do.
The Sphinx is a major landmark in Freemasonry, and Egyptian Freemasonry teaches that its wisdom and traditions come directly from Atlantean survivors, who built the Sphinx after Atlantis vanished from the face of the Earth, and founded Egyptian civilization. Masonic Egyptologists are currently suppressing this truth, and any secrets that the Sphinx may hold underground.
The chambers and tunnels in front of and under the Sphinx were proved true in February 2000, when Egyptian archaeologists discovered a tomb of Osiris 100 feet underground between the Pyramid Khafre and the Sphinx. They did not use robots, but a young boy, who was lowered by rope into the tomb and was able to walk around inside and even up and down part of the causeway leading from the Pyramid to the Sphinx.
Few conspiracy theories are as strongly corroborated as “England’s Roswell.” I can’t believe I forgot to put it on a previous list. There are more witnesses to this event than to the Roswell Incident. On December 26, 1980, at 3 a. m., an Unidentified Flying Object was reported by a security patrol near the East Gate of RAF Woodbridge. Servicemen initially thought it was a downed aircraft but, upon entering the forest to investigate, they saw many strange lights moving through the trees, as well as a bright light from an unidentified object. The lights were red, blue, yellow, and the bright one fairly white. Shortly after 4 a.m. local police were called to the scene but reported that the only lights they could see were those from the Orford Ness lighthouse, about 10 miles away on the coast.
Some of the airmen claim to have seen a conical metallic object, suspended in a yellow mist, hovering over a clearing in the trees, with a pulsating blue and red circle of light above. One eyewitness claims to have seen triangular landing gear on the object leaving three impressions in the ground that were visible the next day. The servicemen further claimed that the object seemed to move away from them as they approached, and they followed it out into a field. Some reports claim that local farmyard animals had been behaving in a state of fear and panic, although this was an arable farm and had no animals.
The airmen were allegedly debriefed, threatened with death, and ordered to sign documents that vowed silence; one even claimed to have been forced to sign a document claiming the UFO was a lighthouse. Some reports suggest that they were reportedly ordered to stay quiet, with the warning “bullets are cheap.” The base commander, Lieutenant Colonel Charles I. Halt, however, claimed in a 2008 interview for U.S. news channel CNN that to this day he has not been debriefed over the incident.
After daybreak on the morning of 26 December, servicemen returned to the small clearing where the conical object had been seen, and found three small impressions in a triangular pattern, as well as burn marks and broken branches on nearby trees. They measured the impressions and found them to be form the points of an equilateral triangle. Plaster casts of the imprints were taken and have been shown in television documentaries. At 10.30 a.m. the local police were called out again, this time to see the impressions on the ground, which they thought could have been made by rabbits. This seems extremely unlikely, given that they formed a perfect triangle, and it does not explain scorch marks on the trees, or broken branches.
The servicemen returned to the site again in the early hours of December 28, 1980 with radiation detectors, although the significance of the readings they obtained is disputed. Lt. Col Halt investigated this sighting personally and recorded the events on a micro-cassette recorder. Transcriptions of this tape are available free on the Internet. Google it. The site investigated by Halt was near the eastern edge of the forest, at approximately 52° 05’ 20” N, 1° 26’ 57” E. You can find this on Google Earth, but there are few pictures, and nothing really to see but woods.
It was during this investigation that a flashing light was seen across the field to the east, almost in line with a farmhouse. Later, starlike lights were seen in the sky to the north and south, the brightest of which seemed to beam down a stream of light from time to time.
There are claims that the incident was videoed by the USAF, but, if so, the resulting tape has not been made public. Conspiracy theorists claim that this was a routine meeting between aliens and the militaries of Great Britain and the United States, which has an airbase in the same area, and both bases are known to have housed stockpiled nuclear weapons at the time.
The explanation of mistaking the Orford Lighthouse for a UFO does not hold firm given that it is very easy to distinguish a red or blue light from a white one. The Lighthouse’s light is typically white, but in some atmospheric conditions can appear yellowish. It cannot be mistaken as red or blue.
The meetings is purported to have been for discussion of the human race’s nuclear armament. The aliens did not intend to give us an ultimatum, but rather wanted to use Earth for various studies. This links to the Antarctic Base theory, and the Dulce Base theory, among others.
























October 23rd, 2009 at 1:37 am
excellent list
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:40 am
I only knew three from the list
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 am
Brilliant.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:46 am
alien base under antarctica? i am now pro global warming
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:50 am
Ahh, how bout the one we’re suffering through right now, the Obama conspiracy.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:52 am
What if just one item on the many conspiracy lists is true? What a world we live in.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 am
In-depth guns on the list g. Nothing like a healthy dose of paranoia mixed with speculation to explain mysteries, yo.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:00 am
You’re English isn’t great, and these are all crazy. Especially that Bermuda Triangle one. Was the pilot blind or retarded?
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 am
Neither’s mine, “you’re” should obviously be “your”, sorry.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 am
Water erosion of the sfinx, of course this makes sense the Nile used to flood all the way up to the piramids so the building stones for the piramids could be deliverd by boot, and when the pharao died his body was brought to the priramids by boot (one of these boots can actually be seen in the boot museum next to the great piramid). So Atlantis no way, it’s probaly just erosion form the nile
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:10 am
I knew none of these, but now I know! I love these lists
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 am
Archaeologists already know why the Sphinx was created, how workers created, when, what it represents and everything. It shouldn’t even be on here.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 am
I think I know what these aliens want on Earth. They want to learn technology known on Earth as “conference call” so they could talk with us without landing on Earth in the middle of the night and running around with red, blue and yellow lights
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 am
The Sphynx (as much as the pyramids) weren’t built by the egyptians for sure. I don’t say it was the aliens. But the Sphynx is thousands of years older than stated by official authorities and no technology could build the pyramids 6500 years ago. It would be almost impossible even today to move such immense blocks.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:22 am
There’s a lot that people don’t know about Stonehenge, one thing that’s certain is that Druids had sod all to do with it. They are a fairly late development in Celtic culture (around a few hundred years BC). On a general note, there’s a certain credulousness about this stuff that makes me less, rather than more, convinced by it.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 am
nice list..i always love aliens, time travell etcetra
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 am
“John West and Robert Schock, Egyptologists” So everyone who talks about Egypt is egyptologist now?
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:34 am
Wow Flamehorse, I think this is your 3rd conspiracies list. You seem to have a like for conspiracy theories, which is good and much more facts.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 am
So it’s cool and keep up the good list work. Which I say again, you have much likefor conspiracy theories. And hey, have you watched the movie “Conspiracy Theory” yet? That’s about a man who is accused and all… (mel Gibson)
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 am
and um great list btw. #20
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 am
Interesting list… I can’t really say anything else, since I knew only one of these, but I’m definitely interested!
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 am
Great great list. Well done, perfect start to the morning
)
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:44 am
great list, i love a good conspiracy theory every now and then.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 am
Goddamn the ie in Antartica was from the Ice AGe! (or anywhere) but not it is artificially and who moron actually thinks that they are aliens down under there? (yeah I know it is only a theory) And what about #5? I think the word “reply” should be “rely” Jaime, please double check. ANd so no alien mutation theory like the Montauk and the New Mexico Base Projects?
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:51 am
very interesting list! more like this!
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 am
no randall yet? been waiting for his comments.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 am
i dont wanna sound like some crazy lunatic;
but the new world order is real and fairly freaky
weird to think that the ones who lead the world (presidents etc) are the ones who want to control the WORLD
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:04 am
Fascinating list! We need more unsolved mysteries too!!! but keep em coming…
…
My take
10-far feched
9- Ive heard of this, maybe they are powerful but not that much
8- I wouldnt be surprised if it was sold to Israel
7- Ummm, I dont buy it
6- Lets not forget it is a big theme in stargate!!! There is an old outpost there
I have been meaning to find the piri reis map, I have a fascination with maps… It looks very acurate from what ive seen. I have also heard that it depicts how the surface looked 1 million yrs ago…is this true?
5- I read something about high nitrogen levels that makes boats sink. I dont really know what to make of this but, dont ships sail this regularly nowndays?
4- far feched
3- I dont find stonehenge that remarkable. 250 miles sounds like a lot to you and me, but keep in mind, 1) they didnt have much else to do 2) this took decades to build, and a few ropes and some man power can do this.
2- Wow crazy theres doors inside? Well archiologists sometimes do F things up…have you heard about the blunder in Bolivia? Messing up their pyramid?
1- Ohhhh crazy never head of this…
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:21 am
I get a kick out of commenters slagging other people’s spelling and grammar who can’t spell or write themselves. #24 “the ie (I guess it is supposed to be “ice”) was from the Ice AGe (capital G)” and he then proceeds to point out that “reply” should be “rely” and tells him he should double check. #8 “You’re (vice Your) English isn’t great”, but at least he acknowledged his mistake. Glass houses and stones people.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 am
From #5 “It is a fact that the Bermuda Triangle is one of only two places on Earth where a compass does not point to North.”
I can assure you that is NOT fact. I was a UH-60 crewchief for 6 years. I logged more than 600 flight hours all over the Bahamas and never did our compass point anywhere but north. I never saw strange lights or rips in space and time. What I DID see was fast forming thunderstorms and sudden wind gusts. Storms will pop up there in a matter of minutes, turning a nice day of flying into a maze of storm cells in no time. We installed color-weather radar on our helicopters to help us navigate through these cells because they would pop up so often. The winds caused by these storms could get quite violent, for large and small craft alike.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 am
AWESOME LIST!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:29 am
nice! =D
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:30 am
Hey Kyle_Hendrick (26) : As I take my morning breakfast (or dinner
) I didn’t have time for commenting on this such wonderful site.
I am your known randall with a different codename and the path name I have chosen to comment with.
With dear all of thee, I apologize for being so ignorant for the past minutes for not replying to your such generous comments.
And wither with the vine, do not hope or wait in vain. For I have already guarding, and watching for your scripts that had been given to you in this site.
So, to all, I am back. And now, do not worry, for your favorite Randall is here
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:31 am
nice list!
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:43 am
i just love these conspiracy lists. the mystery just makes it all more exciting.
I sure hope at least one of these gets declassifed. We hunger for the truth.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 am
@30
Cool. nice to hear from someone who has actually been there.
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 am
these conspiracy nuts seem to think that just because some ancient artifact escapes their understanding by not showing obvious clues as to how the “primitive, barbaric, uncivilized” prehistoric peoples could have pulled it off without our “modern technology,” therefore they were made by aliens or an advanced civilization of humans assisted by aliens… i think it’s highly arrogant on their part to ignore our ancestors’ ingenuity and resoucefulness
and, saber25(33): could you please gtfo; that is just so utterly lame
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 am
how about chem trails and weather manipulation?
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:53 am
@gr8flddfn (38): i don’t know about chem trails, but on weather manipulation people do cloud seeding all the time and i believe i saw somewhere that china manipulated the weather prior to the beijing olympics to prevent rain – i suppose it’s climate manipulation you’re talking about?
October 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 am
and joanne (39) don’t you ever understand American language? Maybe you are NOT American. Maybe Martian, I suppose?
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 am
In Rendlesham Forest, it now turns out, that there weren`t any “Aliens.” The US Military, was testing one of it`s ultra-top secret military planes. At that time, Thatcher loved to suck up,to Ronald Reagan, so she let him use us as their missile base, classic case, is when they went to bomb Colonel Gadaffi and Libya. The Thatcher Government, MI6, MI5 and so on, loved the fact, that the public thought that it was Aliens, and so got the papers, in particular, that rag, The Sun, to circulate this myth that the US planes, were actually Aliens. It was on a programme a few years ago. In fact, most of the unusual flying machines, have probably been US top secret weapons. The Pentagon love the fact, that people think that their secret weapons are actually Aliens, it allows them to test their secret weapons.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 am
“Thanks to the hard work of FlameHorse we now have fifty complete conspiracy theories listed on the site.” Give this job to lostatsea (i think), you will have 150 complete theories in no time
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:15 am
First good list since the Romans. But a few are pretty far fetched. Next you should do Vitamin B-12…
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 am
Everybody knows the Nazi’s built the Sphinx.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:29 am
Very interesting list, thanks Jamie
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 am
@Miss_Info (45):
They used Tesla’s rays to open passage in time
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 am
awesome list. i loved the bit about bermuda triangle…
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:20 am
Enough with these conspiracy lists!
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:35 am
The Bilderberg group started as a group of court jesters in Bethelehem that got together to plot regicides and smuggle brandy…
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:37 am
Great list, FlameHorse! Glad you included Karen Silkwood and The Sphinx. Those happen to be my favorite of these conspiracies.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:45 am
good list
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:55 am
Cool list. I’ve heard of most of these but still a great job compiling them all nicely in one place. Very interesting what some folks will believe. World-wide conspiracies win out over common sense – we’re a credulous species that’s for sure.
The Nazi one does have a basis in truth – crappy though that is. How many war criminals found a home in the USA and other allied countries eager for their technology? Lots.
Someone already mentioned the UK sightings as being experimental technology – what most UFO sightings are imo. If they’re not weird ass weather phenomenon that is.
The Silkwood thing isn’t a conspiracy “theory” it’s a conspiracy fact. Millions of dollars aren’t paid out for a theory eh?
Pretty sure almost everything stated by Robert Shock is suspect – the guy is a quack me thinks. Hopefully Randall will have more to say on this particular subject – I think it was either he or Slickwilly that linked me up to an interesting series of correspondence between Shock and a real scientist.
Again great list!
@saber25 (40): No threatening of folks allowed here – no shotgun to face references. Jamie has been very patient thus far. Mind your manners.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 am
You’re welcome, everyone.
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:58 am
i thought the sphinx was built by furries?
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 am
I seriously need to visit these places. @_@
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:03 am
Or perhaps Nick Griffiths is the Antichrist. O.O
…Just a suggestion. XD
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 am
On the subject of the Bermuda Triangle – did anyone read that article on the BBC News website a while back that claimed they’d solved the mystery of the Bermuda Triangle? It was crap because all they did was give possible explanations for two disappeared planes, mainly that the aircraft involved were old models known to have engine trouble on long flights. It didn’t explain all the other planes/ships involved so it wasn’t exactly solved.
I used to be mad into it when I was a kid but haven’t heard much about it of late. When was the last time something strange happened there?
The people who built Stonehenge likely used rafts to carry the bluestones from the Welsh mountains. There is also evidence that the Neolithic people who built it lived nearby. I think they found the remains of a Neolithic village a short distance away. With regards to there being no waste stone nearby – this was clearly a very important site for the people who built it, does it not seem likely that they would have cleaned up any waste material? If you go to a church/temple these days you don’t find construction waste lying about the place. As for the theories regarding the astronomical aspects, Newgrange was built a few hundred years before and it’s aligned with the winter solstice yet there are no (or at least very few) claims of alien intervention. So it’s entirely plausible they were able to accurately predict the movement/location of various celestial bodies without help from any extraterrestrial sources. We don’t give our prehistoric ancestors nearly as much credit as they deserve. Same goes for the Egyptian monuments!
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 am
@sleaterkinney1bt (54): No, you knucklehead. The Sphinx was not built by furries. Aliens built it. They traveled billions of light years to Earth, just to build the Sphinx and Pyramids. Duh!
They also travelled billions of light years to hijack airplanes and ships for giggles. They are the Lizard People who make up the Bilderberg group. Also, the Masons’ big secret is that they are an alien secret organization. They are the same Lizard People who can disguise themselves as humans. Queen Elizabeth, George Bush, G. W. Bush, and the entire Kennedy family are perportedly Lizard People who secretly control all politics.
Apparently, the alien base under the arctic are the friendly aliens, while the secret base under Arizona are the nasty aliens who abduct humans and proble them. There is a secret war between humans and a couple of different alien races. A third race of aliens are the Aryans. They are tall with blonde hair and blue eyes. They are friendly, but Hitler had a fascination with them and wanted to genetically alter all people to be like these Aryan aliens.
The root of all these conspiracies, except Silkwood (which was indeed a complexly executed planned setup and conspiratorial hit on Silkwood by Hollywood and the Mafia), are ALIENS!
How do I know this? I know an Air Force officer, whoes identity I will keep secret to my grave. He is an eye witness to much of this and has on many occasions spoken with the friendly aliens and Aryans. If I reveal his identity, he’s as good as dead. But, I’m working with him on his memoires, and it is FASCINATING! How humans were guided by alien influence. And how recently, in the 20th and 21st century, we are being entrusted with new technologies. Coincidence that computing power doubles every year? Not at all! But if the truth came out all at once, it would be too much for us to comprehend, so they opt to remain secret for the time being. Don’t worry, they are revealing themselves little by little over the decades as not to shock humanity.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 am
Apparently, this guy built his own Stonehenge using materials available circa 2800 BC. And he did it flying solo!
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 am
Good list…interesting list…
However I have to say, why is it so difficult to believe tha humans could have designed and built the Pyramids and the Stonehenge. Is it really that difficult to believe that humans posess the inguenity (spelling??) and the intelligence to be capable of building these monuments??
As for that transcript over the Grand Turk islands, sorry but that sounds like too much of a hoax, I mean comeon what was she, bat shit blind??
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 am
Fantastic, building a henge, are we? That’s a fantastic idea! youtube.com/watch?v=DiFq_nk8pE0
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 am
I’ve heard of #9 the Bilderberg Group. Rumor is that the architect that designed the Frost Bank building in Austin, Tx, was a member. Notice how with its lights on at night it looks like a huge owl (what they allegedly “worship” at Bohemian Grove)
.http://pixeltopia.architecture.buzznet.com/user/photos/frost-bank-building-austin-tx/?id=11708611
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:44 am
http://pixeltopia.architecture.buzznet.com/user/photos/frost-bank-building-austin-tx/?id=11708611
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 am
@Glass (48): I have a better idea…quit reading them if you don’t like them
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:53 am
@L (61) Its a marvelous religion the Druids have got, lot of white clothes, I like that..
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:03 am
I have 2 other interesting conspiracy theories, their a bit obscure and seems to be both reals.
1) A small part of Nazi gold, stolen from the Jews, was recovered and transported by a pair of men to a small village in the Catalan Pyrenees. The Nazis caught they but never regained the gold….
2) In that same small town in the 20s, appeared an old Greek man who moved alone to the mountain. He translated an old Greek book of dark prophecies to Spanish, and handed it to a girl. A few days later it was stolen. So far there is nothing tin, but it happens in the book spoke of a black president in the united states, electric cars, and plenty other things that have become true …
(I’ve write this with the help of Google Translator and it may have some errors)
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 am
oops… “Nazis caught them” not “Nazis caught they”…..
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:20 am
Fun list to read, but as with most things concerning conspiracy theories, they don’t hold up to a scientific view on them.
Example: the Piri Reis Map (Steven Dutch, Natural and Applied Sciences, University of Wisconsin – Green Bay)
http://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/PSEUDOSC/PiriRies.HTM
the conclusion: “So in response to people who ask how to explain why the Piri Reis Map shows the coastline of Antarctica accurately, the answer is – it doesn’t. It especially doesn’t show the subglacial coastline of Antarctica, which corresponds to the existing coastline of Antarctica around most of the continent anyway.”
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 am
FlameHorse you are cranking these things out like an assembly line!
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 am
Homer Simpson doesn’t make plutonium pellets, he’s the safety inspector.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
in regards to # 7. I know this seems like a minute detail but it bugged me so I thought I would post the rare comment.—— “At 10:18 p.m., witnesses reported hearing a noise described as “a metallic sound and rending timbers, such as made by a falling boom.” Immediately afterward, an explosion occurred on the pier and a fire started. Between five and seven seconds later, a more powerful explosion took place as the majority of the ordnance within and near the SS E. A. Bryan detonated in a huge fireball some 3 miles in diameter.” —— It seems odd to me that anyone close enough to “witness” heaing this noise could survive a blast of this magnitude that followed “immediately afterword” and “between five and seven seconds later”. Call me crazy but this just doesn’t seem plausible.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:55 am
otherwise another great list. Flame on FlameHorse.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:57 am
bermuda triangle…. really now….
that is probably the lamest conspiracy theory of them all….
many planes and ships go through it and come out fine, otherwise there would be no one in miami (theyd get sucked in if they swim or have a boat ride on those water)
the rest are pretty good ^_^
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:00 am
If there’s ever another list of conspiracy theories or mysteries in general it needs to include a section titled “what happened to COGITZ”!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:02 am
Dam i love these lists. I was born and raised in colorado and have been in DIA several times and i can PROMISE you there is freaky shit goin on around there. A coupla years (pre-911) after it was built me and another freind were waitin for a friend to fly in from Cali so we decided to go outside and find a sneaky place to smoke some pot while we waited. We found a sweet secluded spot and were in mid joint when a whole bunch of suits came outta nowhere. (MIB style) We were by some concrete pilings and the nearest door was far away. Anyway they told us to split very menacingly but never searched us, confiscated the pot or calld the cops. Weird huh?
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
Enough with aliens already. Only idiots would believe they live on Earth, if they do exist…
Bermuda ? Seriously ? Can we have a list with proven facts, and not something entirely made up just to put a smile on idiotic conspirationists’ faces ? There are some explanations about the phenomenons that took place there. And some facts stated here aren’t even true, as the compass not pointing towards the North.
The Sphinx ? This is getting ridiculous, unless this is aimed at 10 years old SciFi addicts.
Conspiracies are interesting beacuse we somehow want to believe in them. But, for the most part, these are far-fetched, to say the least. Reminds me of the Dulce base. What a joke.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Conspiracy theories are fun. Completely silly and false, but fun.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
Oh: Except for the Karen Silkwood one. That one strikes me as fairly plausible.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Someone likes the word insidious, huh?
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:21 am
The ‘John Titor’ time-traveler that showed up on internet boards back in 2000 was a pretty decent conspiracy story. I think the guy was thoroughly debunked, however.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
@ L (13): Now that was a good one.
@ Lerker (29): “Glass houses and stones people”, why is it simultaneously so nice and cruel to them?
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:23 am
not to be picky, but about Egypt: i’m fairly sure there WERE egyptians around 10,000 years ago. if i’m not mistaken, and i don’t think i am, the pyramids were built in the Old Kingdom of Egypt and that was around 25,000 BCE, so like…27,000 years ago. 2.7 times more than the Sphinx, if what you say is true.
but…GREAT LIST. loved the Bermuda Triangle story, even if it’s not true about the space rip, it was a chilling and thought provoking read. THANK YOU!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:28 am
Um… No, the Bermuda triangle is NOT one of the only places that a compass does not point “north.” In fact, there are two different “norths,” true north and magnetic north. True north is the point at the north pole where, if you are standing on it, you are always facing south. Magnetic north is the point that compasses point to. Unless you are standing on (or close to) a specific line that connects true and magnetic north, your compass will NOT point to true north. However, any experienced (heck, even an inexperienced) navigator should know that.
In this article it makes it sound like a compass doesn’t function at all in the Bermuda triangle, which is just not true.
To quote Wikipedia:
“While some have theorized that unusual local magnetic anomalies may exist in the area,[22] such anomalies have not been shown to exist. Compasses have natural magnetic variations in relation to the Magnetic poles. For example, in the United States the only places where magnetic (compass) north and geographic (true) north are exactly the same are on a line running from Wisconsin to the Gulf of Mexico. Navigators have known this for centuries. But the public may not be as informed, and think there is something mysterious about a compass “changing” across an area as large as the Triangle, which it naturally will.”
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:43 am
ooops! I myself is an Alien,..lol! and a Fairy and a Vampire.,;)
interesting!!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 am
The reason people were able to build places like stonehenge , or the spninx is not because of aliens but becouse the average person was stronger. Of course this is still an amazing feat, but our ancestors had to survive every day in a way we couldn’t comprehend. Our strongest men , and women today are no match for the ancients physicaly. This has nothing to do with evolution , but becouse they didn’t spend their lifetime sitting on the couch,desk office, school desk, in a car, or in bed. Its just stupid to say that the ancients could’n't have done this or that becouse in reality we are equal to them what they lack in technology we lack in strength. Modern people don’t understand this , and like to assume we are superier to them. When in reality they would beat everyone of us in a fist fight. This isn’t conspiracy it’s fact that we don’t have the same survival implements, strength, muscularity. Although we would beat anchients in a war with our techonolgy against thiers, but if we had the same technology we would lose dead right. Even scientists , and historians won’t except this they like to put our acheivements over You think the modern western world is the freest in history well actually the anchient greeks had a system of government with more freedom then ours, and no corruption. It was called democracy , and the people actually ran the government instead of electing officals. While they weren’t comparable in civil rights thier goverment system was better the ours. So the next time you call anchent people inferior in your nice comfortable city apartment, country home , suberban house, or townhouse, why don’t you go to completely unpopulated region with nothing , and I’m mean nothing see how you end up. Good Luck!
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:45 am
I’m planning to go to Bermuda triangle,,.i’ll tell you what’s in there when I get back,..lol!.
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 am
also, about stonehenge. its no mystery how they made it, not really. i took art history in high school and college and we watched a recreation of stonehenge where a group of scientists, using tools the druids would have had, rebuilt a segment of stonehenge. while it is only one theory of how it may have been built,it is a completely plausible one.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:02 am
Yet another awesome conspiracy list!
So many conspiracy theories…! It’s probably a conspiracy theory of some sort.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
I would have liked to see Democratic Socialist of America (dsausa.org). Their parent organisation is the Socialist International, founded by carl marx in 1864.
Members include nancy pelosi, and the chair of every key house committee in the House.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:25 am
@Ben (85): anchient greeks had a system of government with more freedom then ours, and no corruption
Wrong not every Greek city had democracy. In those cities who had slaves and women had no freedoms.
“people actually ran the government instead of electing officals” thats because those who had freedoms could fit in one place
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 am
While Piri Reis was a very successful explorer and map maker, he did not actually make a map or chart Antarctica, according to my research. He made a map of South America that shows what would be Argentina curving eastward which has made some people think that he was charting Antarctica.
Here is a link with more information about the maps:
http://www.diegocuoghi.it/Piri_Reis/PiriReis_eng.htm
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 am
The bermuda triangle part is fascinating!!!! CREEPY!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:41 am
@L (90): I meant athens
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:51 am
@L (90): again I mentioned civil rights weren’t there women rights and abolition of slavery wern’t widespread ideas till the enlightenmeant in the 1700’s it was excepted that women were inferior to men even plato believed this now we have better morals and understand this was wrong but my point was to show we arn’t the only ones with basic ideas on liberty
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:52 am
@timmy the dying boy (70):
Dammit…you beat me too it!
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
@drob #82 save your BCE for your politically correct circle. It is BC. It has been for 2009 years and is still. We here at listverse pride ourselves on avoiding the sociolitical push into political correctness which has been shown on previous lists when BCE was used. THANK YOU.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:58 am
The Stonehenge theory is just plain wrong. The point to bear in mind is that the people who built Stonehenge were not primitive; just living in an earlier time. The thought that they must have had alien help just because what they did was amazing is a bit harsh on them to say the least!
Secondly, there’s no hint of Egyptian design on the temple – and by the time Stonehenge had been built, many of the much bigger Egyptian monuments had been built. There is not a flat, barren fielded land around Stonehenge but vast valleys, forests and hills with hundreds of ancient sites. The real ‘conspiracy theory’ (if there is one) is that the west of England may have been the biggest ancient city in history. The point you make about the square root is easily dealt with too, if you look at the complex manouveurs of the sun, as charted by Stonehenge’s agriculturally dependent builders. The Mesopotamians were even better astronomers than the Egyptians; why are they not mentioned?
The others perhaps – though check out our VIDEO OF THE SPHINX’S EXCAVATION WORK (!) at Heritage Key and you’ll find it’s not quite on the lock-down you claim…!
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:00 am
…And comment 82? 27,000 years ago? Take a zero off and you’re pretty much right!
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:08 am
I believe that there are aliens out there somewhere in the universe. The shear size and number of stars/planets would lead to at least some probability that they exist. However, the idea that aliens are visiting us in UFOs is dumb. If they can make it here on a regular basis to steal our resources, or scare us or whatever, they could certainly find a way to control us (claim to be angels sent by Jesus, use mind control, etc.) or kill us (bomb us, or spread disease, etc.).
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
My point is that there should be no reason for all of the secrecy and sneaking around at night. Maybe if the aliens were here on a scouting mission, but if they have been here as many times as people claim they have, this doesn’t really make sense.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
So many idiotic conspiracy theories; so little time.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 am
Ah good old conspiracy theories. heard all of them
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:29 am
Hey FEMA camps and trains are very famous on youtube. would have been glad if that was also put here.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:43 am
did not believe a single one but loved the list. Thank you FlameHorse especially for the extended comments which made it all the more interesting
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:47 am
Best conspiracy list yet! Well done.
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
I could be wrong, but I thought I believe I saw a documentary about the earth’s magnetic poles that said that the reason there are so many mechanical failings and fluctuations around the Bermuda Triangle was because it was located in the same area as one of the magnetic poles. As such whenever there’s a large release of magnetic energy it tampers with the electrical systems of whatever is nearby. I could be wrong though, I don’t remember exactly. Anybody can clarify?
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 am
Nope scratch that last comment. Twas wrong.
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
Okay, I see it’s encumbent upon me to rip this list apart. (But good list, FlameHorse—it’s not that it was bad, it was great. I’m just going to destroy the silly ideas of the conspiracy theorists who believe this nonsense).
Bilderburg Group: Sorry, but there’s nothing “plausible” at all about this one–the Bilderburg group is simply the invention of a prince of the Netherlands who believed in international cooperation. As such, he founded the idea of regular meetings of bigshots from several Western nations, so they could get together and talk about all manner of dry subjects of interest only to foreign affairs types. There isn’t even, in fact, a “group,” per se… there are simply *meetings,* the invitees to which vary from time to time. There is no evidence that the Bilderburgers “do” anything other than meet and talk. But of course the assumption in some nut-circles is that if intellectuals and/or the rich and powerful get together in a room, they must be up to something.
Port Chicago: This one is ludicrous. In the first place, there were no atomic devices available in July, 1944. Not enough fissionable uranium had been produced by that time (forget about plutonium–which takes longer) for any sort of weapons test. Secondly, who in their right mind would believe that once a test was possible, that otherwise conscionable, intelligent scientists would go along with a plan to proceed with said “test” by blowing up a bunch of black folks? This is the same group of guys (nuclear physicists who worked on the Bomb) who protested its actual use, once the time came, *on the ENEMY.* It’s hard to see how the same group would get behind the idea of blowing up a nuke in the midst of fellow Americans, regardless of their skin color. Neither does it make any military sense–nuking your own territory, destroying a useful base of operations, and risking untold damage and death to civilians. Again–the scientests who built the Bomb didn’t even *really* know, even by the time Trinity was exploded in May, 1945, what the thing would do. Some predicted it would ignite the atmosphere and destroy the whole goddamn earth. Of course, how serious they were about this is questionable–seeing as they went ahead with the test anyway. But what it illustrates is that they were not altogether sure what the yield of the Bomb would actually be. The idea, then, of “testing” it in a populated area, where anything might have happened, is insane.
Base Under Antarctica/Peri Reis: Hoax, pure and simple. A) the whole thing is really loosely based on H.P. Lovecraft’s “At the Mountains of Madness” (which Guillermo Del Toro REALLY needs to make into a movie) and B) the Peri Reis map is *total bullshit.* No, FlameH., sorry–the map does NOT in fact accurately match the coastline of sub-ice Antarctica. That’s the kind of out-and-out piece of BS that people love to lather on to stories like this, to add that extra dimension of creepy reality—but it’s not so. The Peri Reis map is a hoax, pure and simple. What the joke was is anybody’s guess, but the map isn’t even remotely accurate.
The Bermuda Triangle: Is TOTAL bullshit. It is entirely the result of hype and distortions, even downright lies–thought up by the original pushers of the triangle idea–amongst whom was Charles Berlitz, which shows what rich kids do when they get *really* bored—they write nonsensical books about “mysteries” that don’t even exist.
Nearly every mysterious BT story has been distorted and falsified so far from its actual roots as to nearly qualify as total fiction. The fact is that the region of the BT is one of THE most traversed areas of ocean in the world–if not THE most. One would only expect, therefore, for their to be a few losses of ships and planes, and for a few of them to leave behind so little evidence as to remain puzzling. But this doesn’t mean there’s some grand mystery at work—rather, it means the open ocean is a BIG f**king place, and ships and planes are relatively small objects. Rogue waves, or even just bad seas (many stories report, erroneously, that the seas were calm when, in fact, they were anything but) can account for sudden sinkings, and various mechanical breakdowns or pilot errors can account for other accidents.
Quite simply, there’s nothing to the stories. I’ve heard this one before, that FlameHorse cites—but I’d bet anything that a deeper investigation of the TRUE facts would reveal that half the story is total bullshit.
Stonehenge: NOT built by the Egyptians, no. The Egyptians were NOT seafaring people, to begin with, nor were they known to travel overland the length of Europe. They relied on others, for the most part, to manage their long-distance trading for them. So it’s hard to see how or why a group of Egyptians would haul their asses way up to the cold and forbidding British isles to build stone circles–something they never did in the first place.
Moreover—the SITE of Stonehenge actually dates back to BEFORE the construction of the Pyramids—though at that time it was unlikely to have been a stone construct. But nevertheless, this shows that the people who built Stonehenge had already established something LIKE it when the Egyptians were still establishing themselves in the Nile Delta. Stonehenge as we know it today was constructed about 1500 – 1300 BC, if I recall correctly, and is within the same stylistic trend of northwestern European megalithic building—there are numerous examples throughout Britain and France–stone circles, “menhirs” and various kinds of stone “obelisks.” Clearly Stonehenge was not unique in this sense, nor a stand-alone—though it IS distinctive, being the largest (Except for nearby Avebury) and, one might say, the best and most imposing. But Egyptians? No. It doesn’t even match their building styles. There’s an old theory that Mycenean Greeks may have overseen the final phase of Stonehenge—it matches some Mycenean styles more so than anything Egyptian—but last I knew there wasn’t much, if any proof even for this.
Lastly, the Druids had NOTHING to do with Stonehenge. The Druidic religion arrived with the Celts, who came into Britain in roughly 600 BC—almost a thousand years after the final phase of Stonehenge was constructed.
The site of Stonehenge is so “clean” of debris almost certainly because it was, and always had been, a sacred location–probably a kind of temple. The people who built it have left no writing behind, so we know very little about them. But they were not superhuman. Like all humanity, they were simply full of ingenuity and inventiveness, and lived at a time when giving oneself over to a communal goal of prodigious effort was simply what people did—and with such teamwork and singleness of mind and spirit, they managed it quite well. The Egyptians did the same, with the pyramids and such, but that doesn’t mean they were therefore responsible. Mankind has done all kind of remarkable things, across the globe, with just our minds and our strong backs. Easter Island for instance… or, for those of us living in the US—look around you. 300 years ago, this ENTIRE CONTINENT was undeveloped and wild. Inhabited, but not built upon, except for the small colonial communities on the coasts. The only other people living here had existed for centuries in a largely stone-age mien. In less than 300 years, we have populated it with massive cities, covered it with roads, built dams, skyscrapers, power plants, etc. etc. etc. Human beings are inventive, constructive little apes. Give yourselves some credit, people, and stop assuming that your ancestors couldn’t do very well on their own. They could, and did.
The Sphinx: ARRRRRRGGGGH… I will come back to that one. I myself have directly debated Robert Schoch on this question—and NO, Shoch is NOT an Egyptologist, but a geologist. Even Shoch has backed off some his claims, though at other times he’s overstepped his professional bounds and tried making pronouncements bearing on the Anthropological and Archeological fields (not to mention Egyptology) which are not his professional demesnes.
Out of time, meeting to go to. I’ll be back.
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 am
I see I’ve been beaten to it, but I want to reiterate: Homer Simpson is the safety inspector! He doesn’t manufacture anything.
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I’d heard about the first 9, but the 10th caught me off guard. What do Nazi’s, Native Americans, and Freemasons have to do with one another?
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:17 pm
I love conspiracy lists. And whatever anyone says, I still love the stories of the Bermuda triangle.
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Of course most of these theories are not based on scientific fact or truth! The point is to read about some crazy things that lots of people believe. Not to inform you of some mind-blowing truths and then have you prove your intelligence by stating how far-fetched it is. If it wasn’t far-fetched it wouldn’t be a conspiracy theory! That’s like arguing how a unicorn isn’t real on a list about mythological creatures. Yep, we know. These things are far-fetched and occasionally laughable. But they make for a fun read and the “what if” factor helps make life a little more exciting for people who are into such things.
Great list as usual Flamehorse!!
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Spiff 17–
If you unaware of “Project Paperclip,” “Operation Mockingbird,” and “MK-ULTRA,” I suggest you do some reading on these topics. No citizen is more foolish than one who is ignorant of his own history.
Tim Fleming
http://www.eloquentbooks.com/MurderOfAnAmericanNazi.html
http://www.blazingtrailers.com/show.php?title=441
October 23rd, 2009 at 12:48 pm
@Randall (108) Hi pal the Bermuda Triangle – I have sailed catamarans , and other craft through close poximity, their is a vibe there, your gauges spin for a while and reset, the onus is on the skipper which rout he wants to take.
I rearly Dont think this is Bull shitt.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Piri Reis was Turkish not Arabic.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
@undaunted warrior (113):
*I* rearly think you’re hammered. Or maybe just off your meds.
Sorry dude, but I’m a sailor myself, and while I’ve never actually sailed through or really near the Triangle (I HAVE done some off-shore ocean sailing though) I know a couple people that have—and they report nothing.
In fact, let’s face it–THOUSANDS of people sail through the Triangle EVERY YEAR and such reports are few and far between.
It’s typical sailor BS is all. Just as the Triangle itself is BS.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Just playing the devil’s advocate here, isn’t it possible that strange occurrences in the triangle are rare anomalies that occur only every so often but are legitimate phenomena? So yes, thousands pass through without incident but every now and then the phenomena manifests? I don’t necessarily believe that there is anything extraordinary at work, I’m just not sure the argument that lots of people haven’t experienced anything means that nothing exists at all?
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:08 pm
I’m re-reading a book on Oak Island off the coast of Nova Scotia in Canada, not sure if you classify it as a Conspiracy Theory but it’s considered one of the longest running Treasure hunts in the world!
Anyone have any thoughts on it?
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I just don’t like to think that we as humans know everything about the universe around us. That’s been a mistake of mankind throughout history.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I want to believe…
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
@SwackerDave (117):
Oak Island is one of my faves. The answer everyone jumps to is that it’s the work of pirates. But this quickly falls apart when you examine the apparent intricacy of the pit, its “booby traps” and the high degree of engineering that went into it.
The best theory I ever heard was that it was constructed to house the gold from Quebec, which was overrun by the British in…. well now I’ve forgotten… the early to mid 1700s. anyway. So the French built it, to hide the gold… and then were unable to get back to retrieve it, the ship carrying the men who were responsible having been either sank, or destroyed by the Brits.
Makes about as much sense as anything else.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
@SwackerDave (117): It was my understanding that Oak Island is a big ol’ sinkhole. The traps are actually debris that was covered over time. The rooms or what appear to be levels are air pockets and natural erosion.
I thought someone was going to dig at Oak Island again soon, but haven’t heard any news. We never do.
October 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Flamehorse, is this your idea of a disreputable list? Because alot of people liked it.
*referencing 10 More Stunning Images of Space
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Having been to several (actually hundreds but who’s counting) Bilderberg meetings I can say from firsthand experience that yes, there is a giant owl and yes, a man is burned in effigy beneath it and I get that it sounds weird but it is so totally a, “you had to be there” thing. Its just sort of like a seventh inning stretch between world domination meetings.
Also, as to the government conducting a scientific experiment on blacks that endangered their lives and even killed them, who ever heard of such a thing. What a totally ridiculous concept. That would be as unthinkable as not treating them for some sort of serious STD just to see the results. Completely preposterous.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Waitaminnit… some damn fool gave a woman a pilot’s license, she flew around and got all confuzzled and couldn’t find the airport or any buildings or people, then crashed and disappeared. And this is a conspiracy involving whom again? Besides the Time Lords and the Space-Time Continuum Police, of course. Because her radio transmissions and eyewitness reports are worth about as much as any “I done seen it with my own two eyes” report: nothing. Police and scientists both know that the weakest empirical evidence of all is human perception.
October 23rd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Randall, you crack me up. Part of your argument against govt. conspiracies always seems to end with the idea that, “the peoples behavior just doesn’t make sense.” Now personally I cannot think of one conspiracy that I do find plausible but jesus, it isn’t because of the supposed logic of the perpetrators. As if all of mankind’s (or our govt.’s) decisions come down to reason, efficiency and logic. The fact that there were no atomic devices available at the time of the explosion is a perfect refutation of the Port Chicago conspiracy but then to ramble on about the ridiculousness of people behaving in ways inconsistent with their values or doing things that aren’t cost effective or in any way efficient or even doing things that are counter to their own goals, sorry but thats just not a reason to not believe conspiracies. People and governments by extension, do that shit all the time.
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:39 pm
@Davy (45):
oops not jamie, flamehorse
October 23rd, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Another awesome list FlameHorse!
I am so intrigued by Denver Int Airport, but there really is very little info about it’s ‘weirdness’ on the interwebs apart from the obligatory wiki entry and a few photos.
Have seen pics of the murals and they are beyond disturbing.
Did I read that the place is gargantuan too? Like 25 sq miles or something?
October 23rd, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Wow, that’s interesting!
Thanks for the post!
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:19 pm
FlameHorse, I hope you take the time to read all the way down to the 129th comment because YOU DID IT AGAIN! ANOTHER incredible list. I think I’m in love… um… with your lists.
I can’t help but take the time to comment because they blow my f-ing mind. So well-written and interesting.
Yay, you made my day. Um, your list I mean.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
A FlameHorse list 2 months from now:
Yet even more top 10 conspiracies part IV that are even better than Yet even more top 10 conspiracies part I, part II or part III.
Seriously FlameHorse these are great keep them coming. Even as a kid I liked reading about conspiracies.
I think I’m the only one at my work that believes that Lee Harvey Oswald was the only gunman.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 pm
At least this list was 100 times more interesting than the last conspiracy list. I think I dozed through most of that one. The Bermuda Triangle one was definitely the most interesting one.
I’ve been through Denver’s airport, as my aunt used to live in the suburbs, but I don’t believe any of #10’s conspiracy theories.
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
ok ok, furries and reptoids built the sphynx…
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pm
@lerker (29): I made a mistake writing a comment, he made multiple mistakes writing a list, there’s a difference. I was just surprised that Jamie hadn’t proof-read this as well as I’ve come to expect of him
October 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 pm
@trfan (132) You have been through the Denver airport? What are the murals really like? I googled and the only images I could find didn’t show enough detail but looked creepy as hell even from a distance.
What were the designers thinking with all the death imagery? Hey, lets scare the living shit out of every unsuspecting traveler that stops in Denver. That sounds like fun.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Yeah thanks for the advice mom424 (52): Sorry I couldn’t just control my anger, but really, I am a schizo. Always telling me what to do when my anger overcomes me. It’s terrifying. Like you had gone away and someone’s controlling your body even though you don’t want to. Okay I’ll stop now. That’s why I’m having anger management class
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Randall (108) That’s why so many love you. You POST SO LONG TO READ COMMENTS.
October 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Apologies for the remedied people here by thee comments. I am so out of control. Sorry to offend. T_T
October 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
@GiantFlyingRobo (123): Nah, I was just having fun.@Blogball (131): Thanks. I’ve exhausted all my fave conspiracy theories for a while. (Oswald had help.)
@Winchester (130): Whoa, whoa, whoa! Dinner and a movie, first! I’m not cheap.
I’ve read all these comments, and thanks, everyone.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pm
@Ben (85): So you are telling me that people who didn’t always get enough food every day and spent all their time carrying rocks were stronger than Magnus Samuelsson and could beat Lyoto Machida or Anderson Silva in a fist fight?
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:35 pm
I am always one to say that we really don’t know what kind of technology our ancestors had. Civilized countries have things that other 3rd world civilizations have no access to. Who is to say that Egyptians, or Myans, or whomever couldn’t have developed technology that other civilizations hadn’t? Perhaps we havn’t found proof of some things yet, but regardless, there’s no doubt in my mind that people could have made pyramids and such WITHOUT the assistance of aliens. There are some things out there that make no sense to us, but that’s because it happened thousands of years ago. We can speculate all we want, but we’ll never know EVERYTHING.
October 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 pm
@flamehorse (139): Wait. So were you having fun on this list, or the other? And were you drunk then, or just acting weird?
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 pm
To L – your comment is hilarious! LOL
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 pm
that’s one hell of a half life, also homer simpson shouldn’t be working at a nuclear plant, he’s accident prone.
October 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Man Petting a Squirrel
October 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I live about 5 miles away from Port Chicago. In all the 20 years living hear I’ve never heard of that conspiracy.
October 24th, 2009 at 12:14 am
conspiracy lists are the best
thank you for this one
October 24th, 2009 at 1:27 am
I used to love this site when it provided sources, not just some random guys writing, or potentially making up, somethings they think they’re right. Hell, even Cracked.com shows sources.
Flamehorse, why not writing about how you sailed to the moon last night? Come on, we’ll believe you.
Look, I know I’m being an ass, but I do have a point. And yes, you’re welcome, Flamehorse.
October 24th, 2009 at 1:35 am
I can totally understand that. http://tinyurl.com/yl4s22u
October 24th, 2009 at 3:14 am
@flamehorse (139): Oh my god… you are a crazy…
October 24th, 2009 at 4:15 am
When the last conspiracy list was published, I thought “Who is making money or gaining notoriety from trumpeting this conspiracy?”. Buy the book or dvd, come to my lecture.
October 24th, 2009 at 4:20 am
oh man, i totally love conspiracy theories.
the stonehenge ones. actually is more elaborated upon in a matthew reilly book called the six sacred stones. its fiction yes, but it does state the whole conspiracy more succinctly.
October 24th, 2009 at 4:58 am
I will explain what happened:
Nazis escaped from Germany and then they killed all Indians in US and buried them under Denver Airport. Then they contacted aliens (Nazi aliens) who were having sex under Antarctica to build some atomic bombs for them. These aliens stole 66 pounds of plutonium-239 and accidentally dropped it at Bermuda rectangle…err…triangle….
Then some of the rocks on the sea-bed fell into the rip of time and they landed at Stonehenge. Now the evil US and European governments want to kill the Nazis (Hitler is still alive, I have seen him on TV yesterday) and they contacted another alien civilization (allied forces aliens) and they arrived on earth on December 26, 1980, at 3 a. m.
Interesting fact: Viagra was invented by ancient alien civilization and was stolen by humans from under Sphinx.
October 24th, 2009 at 6:16 am
The Dutch prince that initiated the Bilderberg group was Bernard, the husband of former queen Juliana. Thier daughter and present queen, Beatrix, is known to be a prominent participant. Too decent to be up to much evil.
October 24th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Homer Simpson is the power plants safety inspector, actually.
October 24th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Two grumbles: in #7 (Port Chicago), since when is the bomb part in question spelled “fuze” (should be “fuse”, with an s)?
Also, the Bermuda Triangle was debunked by Larry Kusche clear back in the late 70s.
October 24th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I’ve never ever seen fuse spelled with a “z” before. Great list though, I love these conspiracy theories that are partially corroborated. People forget sometimes conspiracy theories turn out to be truth (cf. Watergate). The Bilderberg Group’s power is a particularly possible conspiracy theory.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:02 am
The only way to know for sure, is to be in on the secret. I’ve just foun my goal in life no. 7. =]
October 24th, 2009 at 9:09 am
@GiantFlyingRobo (142): Nah, when I drink, I just go to sleep. I was just acting weird before. This list is serious business! You remember the Chronicles of Narnia? That wardrobe’s real! It belonged to the King of England, who sent to Fort Knox for safe keeping during WWII. Then the king died, and Elizabeth never really cared about the thing. So few people knew about it, that no one ever kicked up a fuss.
They tried to bring Aslan back through, but he refused, and you know, he’s not a tame Lion.
See? FUUUNN stuff.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:10 am
And thanks to everyone who loved and hated this list. I love you guys.
October 24th, 2009 at 9:35 am
I believe the more prevalent theory to #6 is that civilization has been around longer then standard archeology currently accepts, and that the map was made when the continent was mostly or wholly free of ice. There are many thoughts put forth on this, from shifting earth crust theory to the idea that an advanced civilization existed in the pre diluvian epoch. I find these ideas to be far more plausible then aliens. And besides, if aliens with high technology were mapping the area from the air, I suspect the accuracy of the map would be of a higher quality.
October 24th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Most of these aren’t even conspiracy theories, just bizarre(and fascinating) ones.
October 24th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Well…nice list but poorly built. Should have been shorter and as 162 mentioned this is one of the bizarre and fascinating lists rather than conspiracy. Bringing in the conspiracy part made it little controversial.
Loved the Bermuda one. Bizarre.
October 24th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Winchester (135):
I don’t remember the murals. All I remember from inside the airport is the cool subway-esque train that took me from concourse A to C. I do remember the outside of the building. I always thought it looked more like a sculpture of the Rockies, but I can see where the teepee description applies. I never heard anything about the Indian conspiracy theory.
Sorry I couldn’t describe the murals for you. I must have been too wrapped up looking for the bookstores and snack shops, or maybe it wasn’t in concourse C or the entrance. Those were the only parts of the airport I saw.
October 24th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Good list. Godd list…
October 24th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
@esamutash (126):
Look, Francis, drop the smart-ass routine and start thinking with your brain, not your poop-chute. I’m not assigning some Pollyannish sweetness to our political/military/industrial/scientific leaders… I’m simply saying that groups of people who have risen to levels of rank, power, prestige and responsibility RARELY act INSANELY. This doesn’t mean they NEVER do—just RARELY. And sometimes groups of people DO do insane shit–but rarely groups of the intelligent, powerful, and responsible. Now, in a dictatorship, you can see this kind of behavior a bit more often, since absolute power lends license to people—and groups in power—to embark upon whatever crazy shit they deem necessary or expedient. This a shade more difficult in a democracy, where more people are watching, and traditions lean more towards being responsible to the public, regardless of how much that is mere “lip service” and how much it’s actually taken seriously.
The various conspiratorial actions that took place in the Nixon White House flew under the radar for the most part, so long as those actions stayed within the bounds of the more or less usual dirty-trickstering that politics is known for (even if they were a good deal more dirty about it than others). But when the actions took a left turn into Crazyville, by sending a little group of zealotrous ne’er-do-wells in to break into Daniel Ellesburg’s psychiatrist’s office, the whole “destroy Nixon’s enemies and spy on the American people” plot fell flat on its face.
So don’t give me this BS that people in high positions routinely don’t bother to worry about efficacy, sense, and sanity. In fact, they do. I’m the first one to acknowledge that powerful people can’t be trusted–and I’m quite sure if we removed most of the brakes on their thirsts and hungers, they’d be doing all kinds of devious, downright evil shit. But the fact is those brakes ARE there. The risk of exposure and the risk of doing something stupid that costs you MORE in the long run than it would have to simply do things more openly and honestly IS a consideration in the halls of power. Because most of these people didn’t get where they are by acting like loose cannons who feel they can do whatever they wan and the “gullible public will never find out.” That cheap fantasy crap. They may have got where they are by fudging the lines and boundaries, I’ll grant you, and grant you readily. But by doing nonsensical crazy shit? No.
And the conspiracy theory ideas are ALWAYS hoppin-ass crazy. They flout the rules of logic and sense like cheap thriller fiction. And that’s just not how the real world *usually* works.
And as for scientists who are KNOWN to have objected on moral grounds to the use of a weapon that they themselves developed—you explain to me just how I’m so wrong about that that it brings mirth to your oh-so-jaded brain. IN FACT people do NOT ordinarily UTTERLY VIOLATE their moral and intellectual compass on a whim, and yet that is PRECISELY what the Port Chicago conspiracy theory asks us to believe—that a group of people who did a job for a basic moral purpose in the first place–namely, to construct a bomb for the Allies’ use before the Nazis could make one–many of whom then objected to using it once it had been actually built—would in the same breath blithely allow it to be used against AMERICAN CITIZENS in a POPULATED AMERICAN area, without so much as a whisper of protest.
No, esumatash, that makes NO sense at all, and IS a very valid reason to call bullshit on such a conspiracy theory.
October 24th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Interesting reading. I enjoy the perverse ‘far-fetchedness’ of certain conspiracy theories. Cases in point being the Port Chicago explosion (yeahhh… right) and aliens living under the Antarctic (let me guess, they are black and white, about 18″ tall and move with a noticeable waddle…?).
Still, it was a fun diversion from reality.
(I am a huge fan of Listverse, yet I don’t post comments too often. I would like to say to Randall that I thoroughly enjoy reading your posts; your acerbic wit has amused me many times over… and I thank you for that).
October 24th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
The Silkwood one may be plausible.
As for the Stonehenge and the Piramids and things like that… I think that we don’t really give credit for the abilities and intelligence of people back then. There is many evidence that people back then were also very intelligent and creative. Not to mention that they didn’t have TVs and other things like that… so, it wouldn’t be surprising to me that they developed methods and technologies to do things that we see as “impossible to do at that time”.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Apparently there’s some sort of logical explanation for The Bermuda Triangle, like back in the day they ran out of fuel or something. Great list, though. Even though conspiracies are for weiners.
October 25th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
great list. woo my first listverse comment!!!
October 25th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
@Camo (167): Thanks.
October 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Randall, “people who have risen to levels of rank, power, prestige and responsibility RARELY act INSANELY.” How you can say that in the face of what the last administration did with our military, with what wall street did to the elderly and the poor, with what the doctors have done with the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance moguls, with what the educator’s unions have done with our schools, with what the state governments have done to our infrastructure, is fucking well beyond me. All of these people, risen to power and yet making radically poor and shortsighted decisions. And I don’t completely vilify them although you seem to unilaterally praise them. I recognize that they don’t do these things with ill motives. They simply are pushed by the curse of the “greater good,” which makes good people, good governments do unimaginably bad things. The founding father’s, leaders of freedom-held slaves. The abstinence touting religious-have affairs. Doctors who have sworn by the Hippocratic- prescribe drugs based on profits. Teachers who would live and die for education-pass failing students. And why? Because they create in their mind this idea of the greater good. Open your eyes, man. What are you a child?
Also, I’m glad that we have this chance to dialog about this because although I wholly accept congress’s report on 9/11, the question that you continually posed regarding the towers is ridiculous. Why would they fly planes into buildings that they could just as easily explode? I don’t even believe it was a conspiracy but really, isn’t it easy to explain why they might. Because of the spectacle. The planes made everyone turn on the television so that they could watch the towers fall live. Plus, it terrorized one of the most trusted and vital parts of the American economy-Airline travel. Jesus, man. Use your freaking imagination. Before you go off spouting about the motives of governments, take a moment and try to think like one. The planes made that freaking event. That’s the image burned into your mind. Again, I don’t even believe there was a conspiracy but good god man, not because it didn’t make sense. I believe it because of the freaking science of the things. The popular science studies. Also, let me ask all of the people who are complaining about how conspiracy theorists are nuts, what in gods good name do you think Bush’s claim of WMD’s was. Do you really believe he thought that they were there? Come on, man. That was one hell of a conspiracy and it cost us a couple trillion dollars, 6,000 american servicemen and women and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi’s lives. The only reason that doesn’t make the list is because enough people see that as a conspiracy that its hardly even a theory but guess what? Bush would still deny it. The whole administration who did it would deny, at least until they write their memoirs. Anyway, you know I think your right about one thing. Being hostile and acerbic sure is a hell of a lot more fun. Can’t wait for your response.
October 25th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
You know, number 2 does support the idea that the world was covered in water due to NOAH… (even though noah didn’t cause the flood.)
Hmm, I guess the bible does have some evidence to support it.
October 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Wow. Great fucking list. Some of these I’ve heard of but never with the facts included that are present here. Great job!
Now I have to go and do more research on some of these.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
@esamutash (172):
“How you can say that in the face of what the last administration did with our military…”
LISTEN, smartass… I said RARELY, not “never,” and I specifically said “INSANELY,” which is VERY different from irresponsibly, recklessly, and any number of other adjectives you can come up with. YES… a great many of the Bush administration’s decisions and actions were STUPID, RECKLESS, IRRESPONSIBLE and so on. But there is a line that’s crossed if you start saying that the Bush administration could have or would have ORCHESTRATED 9-11. THAT is where things tip over into crazy.
“…with what wall street did to the elderly and the poor, with what the doctors have done with the pharmaceutical companies and the insurance moguls, with what the educator’s unions have done with our schools, with what the state governments have done to our infrastructure, is fucking well beyond me.”
BECAUSE these things are NOT the same as crazy-ass fucking CONSPIRACIES. Some are nefarious, yes. Some are examples of piss-poor management, of greed, or of any number of other vices, such as crony-ism, fiscal irresponsibility, and so on. But they are NOT “conspiracies.” And they are not manifest of illogical theories where LOGICAL simplicity would do. Is what’s happened to our infrastructure a CONSPIRACY, or is it simply what happens when you put together greed, bad management, occasional nepotism, and incompetency together, and then throw in a little corruption on the side?
For Chrissakes, this shouldn’t be so goddamned hard to understand. It sounds to me like you’re arguing with me for the sake of arguing. Your original point made no more sense than this does.
“All of these people, risen to power and yet making radically poor and shortsighted decisions.”
YES, I agree. But that is NOT AT ALL what I was talking about–and anybody who understands simple ENGLISH could tell that. There is a difference between incompetency and poor decision making and out and out malificent CONSPIRACY.
“And I don’t completely vilify them although you seem to unilaterally praise them.”
BULLSHIT. I didn’t “praise” ANYBODY. What I said was crystal clear—that MOST groups that rise to power–at least in a democracy–do not usually do so on the basis of whacky-ass ideas that follow no logic and run enormous risk of discovery and of bringing great downfall to the group in question. I SPECIFICALLY said that people in power, and people who seek power, are often NOT to be trusted. But that they RARELY do out and out CRAZY things, like orchestrating attacks on their own country and citizens, and so on.
I am not responsible for YOUR failure to understand what is quite plain and simple English.
“I recognize that they don’t do these things with ill motives. They simply are pushed by the curse of the “greater good,” which makes good people, good governments do unimaginably bad things.”
Yes, that’s true. BUT AGAIN–that is NOT what I was talking about. I was talking about CONSPIRACIES. This is a list ABOUT fucking CONSPIRACIES—remember?
“The founding father’s, leaders of freedom-held slaves. The abstinence touting religious-have affairs. Doctors who have sworn by the Hippocratic- prescribe drugs based on profits. Teachers who would live and die for education-pass failing students. And why? Because they create in their mind this idea of the greater good. Open your eyes, man. What are you a child?”
No—but YOU are clearly a fucking moron–or a douchebag… either one could be true. Or both.
AGAIN, asshole—I AGREE with ALL of this–and I SAID so in my previous answer to this—I SAID that people in power often do rotten shit and are NOT to be trusted. What I was dismissing is the idea that such people could, or regularly do, enter into vast, web-like conspiracies which would be immensely risky and incredibly stupid.
“Also, I’m glad that we have this chance to dialog about this because although I wholly accept congress’s report on 9/11, the question that you continually posed regarding the towers is ridiculous. Why would they fly planes into buildings that they could just as easily explode? I don’t even believe it was a conspiracy but really, isn’t it easy to explain why they might. Because of the spectacle.”
YOU’RE TRYING TO TELL ME THAT BLOWING UP THE TALLEST FUCKING BUILDINGS IN NEW YORK WOULD *NOT* BE A FUCKING SPECTACLE? And *I’m* the one being “ridiculous” here?
It *was* a spectacle, you jackass—and not just because planes flew into the buildings but because the goddamned towers CAME DOWN.
“The planes made everyone turn on the television so that they could watch the towers fall live.”
Exactly–WATCH THE TOWERS FALL. *That* was the large part of the spectacle… which could have just as easily been accomplished with the great number of bombs that conspiracy nuts insist was actually behind this.
THEREFORE…my question is STILL valid and still indicates clearly how the conspiracy ideas flout LOGIC. And your piss-poor attempt at a refutation of this has fallen completely flat.
“Plus, it terrorized one of the most trusted and vital parts of the American economy-Airline travel. Jesus, man. Use your freaking imagination.”
I do every day, dimwit. Try using your the fucking brain god gave you.
You are attempting to defend the possibility of a government conspiracy, which would both bring down the WTC towers—AND fuck up air travel? One could understand the point of orchestrating a terrorist attack–crazy as it in fact would be. But fucking with the economy, and airline industry? And the LOGICAL reason for that would be?
“Before you go off spouting about the motives of governments, take a moment and try to think like one. The planes made that freaking event.”
No, shithead. The fucking towers FALLING and thousands DYING “made” that event.
AND you are still being fucking illogical—because you are now arguing that the “manipulative” point of the attack was the planes flying into the buildings—you’re saying that THAT’s what made the spectacle. Well then why the need to bring the buildings DOWN as well? If that’s of secondary importance or less—why bother with it? CLEARLY if there WAS a conspiracy, the point of it was to orchestrate an attack so that the administration would have an excuse to go to war. The ATTACK was the point, therefore–and you are arguing about “spectacle.” Well, okay–if it was “spectacle” that was needed, to accomplish the goal—then why not JUST the planes? Or, conversely, why not just bomb the towers to the ground?
You mock me for this question, but you’re not making the slightest bit of SENSE about it.
“That’s the image burned into your mind.”
SO WHAT? (And in point of fact, no–I’d say the planes crashing into the towers was an image, yes—but the towers actually FALLING is what’s “burned into my mind,” and I think this is in fact true for most people). You aren’t explaining why your “spectacle” would have been necessary to a conspiracy. The point of the conspiracy would have been a false ATTACK which would give an excuse for war. Explain how the “spectacle” of planes flying into buildings REALLY accomplishes this BETTER than said buildings being brought down, as they were.
“Again, I don’t even believe there was a conspiracy but good god man, not because it didn’t make sense. I believe it because of the freaking science of the things.”
SAME HERE. I’ve written AT LENGTH about the science of it on this site. But NEITHER would it have made SENSE. And that is a FACT.
October 25th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
@bassbait (173): Sounds interesting. I’m a Biblical literalist, but not a creationist. I thought about putting the Ararat Anomaly on here, but really, there isn’t much in the way of evidence for the U. S. government’s concealment of the truth about it. It’s more likely that it isn’t Noah’s Ark, but here’s hoping it is, just cause that’d be fun.
@XenoMasked (174): Thanks.
Randall, I can’t help but ask. Are you a preacher? You should be! They get $72,000 a year without being half as funny.
October 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
@flamehorse (176): I’m a Biblical literalist, but not a creationist.
Honestly not trying to sound like a dick or anything, but I was unaware there was a difference. May you elaborate? Obviously, I am somewhat ignorant on the subject lol
October 25th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Yeah, the world was not created in six 24-hour days. That’s the way God had it written in order for the Jews to understand it. “First 2 billion years? what the hell? get outta here!” It never woulda caught on.
I also don’t think Noah’s Ark could hold 14 of every clean and 4 of every unclean animal in the Mespotamian area, regardless of its size. I like to think that God put some of them into the 5th dimension for the duration of the trip (which also cuts down on the smell, if you think about it). Not all of them, of course, because if Noah had gone down into the cargo decks, and not seen anything, he’d've freaked out.
But I do believe that Jesus walked on water. And all those other miracles. AND I’m willing to bet that on a list of the Top 10 Carpenters in History, he’d be right about #1. Think about it: just hit the hammer when he wasn’t supposed to hit the hammer, now there’s a big hunk taken outta one of the table’s legs. Nobody likes a wobbly table. No one looking? Abracadabra. Still charging full price (he’s Jewish).
So the only difference is that the Bible’s creation story in Genesis is metaphorical, not literal.
October 25th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Awesome list!
About #1, I remember reading about one of the witnesses saying that it all was a hoax? But maybe that just deepens the conspiracy?
October 26th, 2009 at 12:42 am
Insanely, as different from irresponsibly and recklessly, way to parse your words. Also, way to ignore the main point of my post- which is that why you sit here blasting conspiracies in the mane of the powerful and prestigious, right under your stuck up nose, two huge conspiracies have transpired, the war on “terror” and the wall street crash. And try and tell me that those weren’t conspiracies? Or maybe that was just “reckless” and ” irresponsible,” too funny Randall. Its always sad when an otherwise inteligent man tries to defend an indefensible position.
October 26th, 2009 at 12:59 am
The powerful rarely act insanely, Jesus, I’ll remember that one for a very, very long time.
October 26th, 2009 at 4:51 am
I’m impressed again Randall but too much ranting is not good. Surely, you can help Jamie running the site. You both can give informative list. That’s what I think.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Randall: did anyone ever tell you that vulgar language only shows that you lack vocabulary. Immature.
October 26th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Eleven, I completely agree. If someone can’t express him/herself without cursing constantly, then he/she probably really doesn’t have anything intelligent or useful to add to the discussion.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
@eleven (183):
No, “eleven,” no one ever told me that because, in fact, it is manifestly not true. I don’t believe in “vulgar” language. I believe in professionalism, but this is not my profession, this is my hobby and is for my amusement. In a professional setting, I express myself differently.
Satisfied? Now you and “Seanette” can go fuck yourselves.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am
@Esamutash (180):
“Insanely, as different from irresponsibly and recklessly, way to parse your words.”
Do you deny that there’s a difference between these terms?
I use “insanely” very loosely of course–but I use it to indicate actions or decisions which make little or no sense and offer far more risk to the perpetrator of the action than would be warranted for someone who clearly understands how the world works.
Irresponsible and even reckless behavior can often STILL bring rewards to the party who perpetrates said behavior. The Bush administration, after all, managed to get fucking RE-ELECTED, which says something not only about THEM but about the innate insanity, perhaps, of at least half the American voting population.
Point is, though, that some behavior or actions CAN be viewed as warranted and sensible by those who carry out those actions or exhibit that behavior, even if some of us view those actions as terrible or even criminal. AND oftentimes they–those acting irresponsibly or recklessly—are “right,” in that they get what they want, and largely get away with it.
BUT…carrying out actions that carry a ridiculous risk, or that make no real sense, because the intended goal could be attained in more reasonable, less-risky, more sensible ways—is what I was referring to when I tagged them as “insane.”
So, yes—fudging the truth about the existence of WMDs… that’s the kind of despicable, nefarious behavior one would expect from the politically powerful who want to get their way. They would have felt a reasonable safety from discovery, and could trust that it would never have been taken very seriously later on—it could be dismissed as a “mistake,” if need be. Believable. And clearly, that’s what they did…. AND, just as clearly, so far they’ve gotten away with it. It seems unlikely we’ll ever see the assholes dragged to prison for it. Though I’d like nothing better than to see their faces behind bars—Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc.
The same people orchestrating an actual ATTACK on American targets on American soil—no. That’s not believable—that’s crazy. The logistics of such a thing boggle the mind. And it would have been an over-the-top action of supervillain degree that would have been UNNECESSARY to accomplish the goal it was intended to bring about. The risk for discovery would be incredibly high. And the possible damage that could then backfire onto the administration would therefore be unacceptable.
“Also, way to ignore the main point of my post- which is that why you sit here blasting conspiracies in the mane of the powerful and prestigious, right under your stuck up nose,”
Fuck you, asshole. If your “point” had been more clearly phrased it might have been answered. Don’t blame me because you can’t get yourself across to an intelligent human being.
“two huge conspiracies have transpired, the war on “terror” and the wall street crash. And try and tell me that those weren’t conspiracies?”
You’re trying to tell me that they WERE? You’re delusional.
What “conspiracy” is represented by the war on terror? The fact that the Bush administration went about it incompetently and dishonestly does NOT make it a “conspiracy.” A conspiracy suggests some goal that is attained by dishonest, hidden means (often the goal itself is hidden). The fact that they bullshitted us on WMDs does not make the entire war on terror a “conspiracy.” And a conspiracy of what, and to what end? The US WAS attacked on 9-11 and the Bush administration responded to that attack. However we may disagree with their methods and means of doing it (and I do and did) it does NOT indicate a “conspiracy” on their part simply because they pulled some tricky shit to advance the strategy they felt was correct. Or, to put it more precisely, it makes, yes, the effort to lie about and fudge the evidence for WMDs a kind of “conspiracy,” itself… but that does not mean that this extends to the entire “war on terror.”
As for Wall Street—”conspiracy” of what nature? If you simply mean to imply that there are low-down, unsavory, and often illegal things going on behind the scenes in our financial sector, then you’re no doubt damn right. But again—I never said there wasn’t. I have SAID time and time again that people in positions of power are NOT to be trusted. They will do whatever they think they can reasonably get away with. But an economic collapse of this nature is evident of WHAT conspiracy, specifically? A conspiracy to fuck up our banking system? On whose part?
Rather than “conspiracy,” I see it as a bunch of smug bastards who didn’t care about the possible damage they might cause to others—and who have only had much of their misbehavior excused. But it’s hard to see what “reward” they got out of this. They simply got off from the punishment they so richly deserve.
” Or maybe that was just “reckless” and ” irresponsible,””
Yes, that’s precisely what they were. You disagree? You say they were more? Where’s your evidence? Where’s the motive and the purpose? What was the goal?
“too funny Randall. Its always sad when an otherwise inteligent man tries to defend an indefensible position.”
That statement might be true if it applied here. It doesn’t. There’s nothing “indefensible” about my position—you, rather, are simply stamping your feet like a spoiled child, wanting to see “conspiracies” just because you believe them to be there.
I don’t doubt the POSSIBILITY of such things—but you can’t just SAY they exist. Prove it, show it, make it make sense. THEN you’ll be right. And not until then.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Randall, you are 100% right. (meaning I agree with you 100%, of course)
On the hobby thing I disagree however. This is my hobby too, and presunably that goes for all readers and posters. Personally I would enjoy reading posts more without all the boring insults.
Being a professional writer I might ad that it is more devastating if one stays calm and polite while making points.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
@Peter (187):
Thanks, but I too am a professional writer. I do not, of course, express myself in other venues as I do here. But then, were I to do so, I might end up very boring and less entertaining to the List Universe readership, who expect a certain “color” out of me.
And my insults are rarely boring. They’re usually quite creative and amusing.
October 26th, 2009 at 10:45 am
I look forweard to the post written when you are your usual self then.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
you should add that if you look at a diagram/map/blueprint of Denver international airport, it looks kinda like a swastika lol… lame nazis =P
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:KDEN_AirportDiag!.png
October 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Randall: “Now…you can go fuck yourselves.”
Wow. How original and cunning. I honestly don’t think anyone’s ever told me to do that before…but then I do teach high-schoolers for a living.
October 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
@eleven (191):
Well perhaps it’s a difference in our experience and, likely, perception—as I used to teach at the university level. I also don’t take kindly to snide little one-off lectures from self-important secondary school teachers about my verbal “manners.” I suggest in future you keep such thoughts to yourself. You’re not in the classroom now, and I’m not one of your pupils.
And listen, smart ass. You’re the one who, unasked-for and unbidden, decided to launch a little snide attack on me. You want to think me “immature,” goodie for you. But as always with people like you, you utterly fail to bother with WHAT I was saying, and only think it important to comment on HOW I said it. YOU could have found nicer ways to disapprove of my choice when it comes to a style of discourse—but instead you chose to go for a cheap insult. (Very cheap—I can guarantee you my “vocabulary,” both vulgar and non-vulgar, far exceeds yours, and as for my maturity level, *I* don’t go around on the net scolding people for their bad language).
The funny thing is, you have the gall (not to mention the thickheadedness) to attempt to disparage ME for my answer to you, when your original comment to me was hardly some grand example of lofty and vaunted prose. You ventured forth with a dumb line, and you aren’t worth more than a “go fuck yourself” to me. Okay Chip?
October 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Randall,
Conspiracy doesn’t in any way imply a reward as you suggest here.
“Rather than “conspiracy,” I see it as a bunch of smug bastards who didn’t care about the possible damage they might cause to others—and who have only had much of their misbehavior excused. But it’s hard to see what “reward” they got out of this.”
The moment those that those smug bastards acted in accordance to mislead the public, they were involved in a conspiracy. Rather it was the banks, regulators and insurance companies in the Wall street debacle or the neocons with the Iraq war. Now as for the war, the fact that they acted in accordance to lie to the American people that is pretty well documented. There was no yellow cake uranium sales. And its hard for me to not imagine that the banks, the insurance companies and the regulators were not acting in some form of “accordance” although, you are right, I can’t prove it which I guess is what makes it a theory.
Anyway, we’ll agree that its odd that most conspiracy fanatics focus on non-issues when there are plenty of what I call “conspiratorial acts” and you call simply, “reckless and irresponsible,” behaviors to worry about. Oh, and about me proving the banks, regulators and insurance companies acted in accordance, yeah, thats feasible. I’ll just depose all of them, subpoena computers,emails and documents and build a little case in my spare time. And as for your criticism of my use of, “War on terror,” to mean the Iraq war, thats a fair correction. I simply meant the Iraq war although I don’t find it in any way hard to believe that wiretapping, which is a large part of the “war on terror,” was connected to the original Iraq war conspiracy. Anyway, I’ll cede the last comment to you and I’m still someday hoping for that drink.
Eleven, I see where your coming from but give Randall a little while. He’ll grow on you and god forbid, he’s often right.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I just realized this has partially been a friendly argument between Randall and esamutash.
October 26th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
I live in the Denver area and have not heard of any conspiracy regarding DIA.
I’ve been to DIA numerous times but never really noticed the murals.
As far as the design of the supposed teepees, they really are there to look like the Rockies.
My guess is that the city of Denver received grant money from the National Endowment of Arts and threw this money at a bunch tree-hugging hippie lettuce smoking artistic types and said have at it.
This would explain the god-awful statue of a bronco as you enter/leave DIA. It is a blue sculpture with red eyes that everyone has dubbed the demon horse. The statue gives kids and some adults nightmares. Just google “Denver demon horse pictures” to see what it looks like although the pictures do not give it justice. It is really spooky looking at night and butt-ugly (pardon my french).
No conspiracy though except if you want to say it is a conspiracy against good taste.
October 27th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Ok, let’s start over here. First of all, I don’t like the insinuation that your eduation level is so much more advanced than mine, because you teach university and I don’t. I could if I wanted to…but there are a lot of professors whose arrogance in their “superior” knowledge tend to discourage students, and I feel that I can do so much more for the better good teaching kids from the beginning of their higher level education, and thus better prepare them for college. After all, how many of those students fail to go to university because they weren’t inspired to do so when they were younger?
I don’t want a battle, but I really think, Randall, that your points would be better made if you refrained from the nasty language. I do think your points are valid, but am so distracted by the vulgarity, I tend to move on before the comment is finished. I compare it to a really good movie, with a really good story line, that is ruined by all the actors’ cursing. In addition, I often recommend students to this site, because I feel that its educational benefits are numerous. The lists with questionable comments have warning labels, however, when the vulagarity extends to the comments, it can’t be regulated. I’m no prude, but I do find it offensive and do not think I’m alone.
Sorry for “picking” a fight, I’m a “thickheaded” buffoon. But I would never talk to my pupils in the disrespectful way you addressed me and the way you address others with your “friendly arguments.” And my students do quite well, thank you.
October 28th, 2009 at 11:28 am
@eleven (196):
You want to start over? Fine. You began this by volleying a snide insult directed my way. Poor way to begin a discussion.
Also, I just didn’t happen to agree with you. “Vulgar” language is sometimes highly useful, and does not indicate any limitations in vocabulary, intelligence, or maturity. Not, at least, in this kind of venue. In a professional setting, of course, circumstances would be different.
As for our education levels and professional status, AGAIN–you opened yourself up for that with your snotty attitude towards me. Had you been less sanctimonious about it, you wouldn’t have gotten an attitude thrown back at you.
It’s rollickingly amusing how people like you, in the same breath, claim to not be “prudes,” but then turn right around and protest “foul” language. In fact, Eleven, you very much ARE a prude. A prude and a Pollyanna. This is not a classroom, or a boardroom, or a debate meeting, or a professional forum, where such language, would, yes, be inappropriate. This is the internet, and a site essentially for grown ups.
And quite frankly, I’m not interested in your opinion of how I speak and conduct myself here. It’s noted, and I regret that you feel offended by it. But I’d counsel you to save your feelings of offense for more important, and truly offensive things which are around us every day–bigotry, hatred, stupidity, ignorance, violence, criminality—these are far more serious and far more offensive things, but it always seems that people like you prefer to let them pass and would prefer to focus your indignation on “nasty language.” The absurdity ought to be self-evident.
October 28th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Randall,
You’re probably also not interested in my opinion, but I’ll give it just the same. You’re like a certain former president, who was so convinced of his position that he kept hammering home and rubbing in. Not realising he was making a fool of himself in the eyes of the watching world.
Jesus man, didn’t you just write this is a site for grown ups ?
October 28th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
marlfang!
October 28th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
@Peter (198):
“You’re probably also not interested in my opinion,”
Truth be told, no… not much.
“but I’ll give it just the same.”
Oh goody, lucky me. I get to listen to another anonymous critic who simply wants to bash me on style, rather than content.
“You’re like a certain former president, who was so convinced of his position that he kept hammering home and rubbing in. Not realising he was making a fool of himself in the eyes of the watching world.”
I hardly think so. Now tell you what Peter–instead of taking pot-shots at me for nothing, why don’t you address the ISSUES that are being talked about here? Hmmm? Wouldn’t that be a nice change, and one that’s less of a waste of EVERYBODY’S time?
So… you are insinuating that I am wrong in the things I’ve said—forget about HOW I’ve said them–and that I’m so convinced that I’m right that I’m “making a fool of myself.” So tell you what, sport—why don’t you stop nipping at my heels about HOW I say things, and tell me what’s wrong about WHAT I’ve said. Clearly you think something IS wrong. So show us you have brains and some balls and stand up and tell me WHY I’m wrong, what evidence you have that I’m wrong, and present a clear and cohesive argument that proves it. Okay?
“Jesus man, didn’t you just write this is a site for grown ups ?”
Yes I did. Act like one. If you have something germaine to add to the discussion, then ADD it. SAY it.
October 28th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
See post 187, that you apparently forgot about. That’s OK.
I can’t see anything ungrownup about my posts. And that I find the way you try to claim some sort of intellectual superiority rather childish, is, of course, a subjective thing and not something we will or need to agree about.
October 28th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Peter:
As for post 187, what of it? You made that statement about my style of discourse… that should have been enough. It was no less pointless, however, than coming back to do it all over again.
The POINT here, Peter, is that you offer NOTHING to the discussion. All you’ve offered is criticisms of my speech and behavior. That is NOT germaine to the discussion.
And THAT is what is childish about YOU. If you have something to contribute to the topic here, then DO SO. If you have something ABOUT the topic to say to me, then DO SO.
But in your last post, you implied that my opinions THEMSELVES were somehow wrong or faulty. But you have NOT YET said a single thing to support this implication. Now, drop the fucking irrelevancy about ME, and tell us all how it is I am wrong in regards to WHAT I’ve said–not HOW I’ve said it.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:41 am
There’s no need to SHOUT Randall, no need to get UPSET. This is your HOBBY, remember ?
As to speech not being the point. I quote from your own post 197 to Eleven: ‘You began this..’ and ‘…you opened yourself up to that..”
In the same way, you invited my initial reaction by claiming that because posting here is your hobby, it’s fine to use vulgar language. I merely pointed out that it’s other people’s hobby too, and they might prefer a more serene discussion.
Now there are basically two ways to react to that:
1 OK, no problem. Even though I don’t see anything wrong with vulgar languiage, I’ll tone it down a little bit on this list.
2 It’s a free world, who do you think you are, I’ll fucking do what I like.
Obviously yuou chose the second option.
Now, you scolded Eleven for being concerned about your attitude and not about greater evils in society. Ever thought about what in essence causes these greater evils Randall ?
Last point to think about if you like: intellect is a given. Like blue eyes, big breast or a musical gift. It’s nothing to boast about or identify with. Attitude however, is our own choice.
October 29th, 2009 at 3:56 am
i’m starting to believe in aliens.
it’s very much possible.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:48 am
@Peter (203):
See, you just don’t stop with this shit. Clearly you have nothing to say, nothing to add to the discussion. And I am not here for you to lecture and wag your little disapproving finger at. You’re either far too bored, or you’re just the type who gets off on trying to “correct” the behavior of others, like some little dictatorial pollyanna.
“There’s no need to SHOUT Randall, no need to get UPSET. This is your HOBBY, remember ?”
I use caps for emphasis, Peter, not to indicate that I’m shouting. Trust me, you aren’t worth it to me to resort to shouting.
“As to speech not being the point. I quote from your own post 197 to Eleven: ‘You began this..’ and ‘…you opened yourself up to that..””
YES, asshole, because Eleven tossed a passive INSULT at me. THAT is the difference.
AND if you look back, the point I’m making is more that you are CONTINUING with this… you’re not letting it go. You’ve said your piece about my “language” and such… why are you repeating yourself? Once is bad enough, but understandable. But to keep AT IT and at it is absurd and a huge waste of everybody’s time. HENCE I’m telling you—if you have something to actually add to the discussion, which is germaine to the topic, then go on and do so. But this repeated picking at my style of speech is *pointless* and useless.
“In the same way, you invited my initial reaction by claiming that because posting here is your hobby, it’s fine to use vulgar language.”
I SAID that this is NOT a professional forum, and is therefore not bound by ordinary rules of decorum one would expect in such a forum, or journal, or meeting, or even just a conversation.
“I merely pointed out that it’s other people’s hobby too, and they might prefer a more serene discussion.”
Good for them. They can go elsewhere if they don’t like it here. So can you.
You see, Peter—your argument is that *I* must bend to conform to YOUR rules of behavior. Why? Who are you? Who are you that you get to expect such a thing or demand it?
Whereas I am simply telling you that I am NOT going to conform to your idea of what’s proper—and if you don’t like it, you’re welcome to accept it or go elsewhere. OR, if you prefer, you can attempt to petition the owner of the site to censure me or ask me to leave. It’s your call.
“Now there are basically two ways to react to that:
1 OK, no problem. Even though I don’t see anything wrong with vulgar languiage, I’ll tone it down a little bit on this list.”
Nope. I’m not going to do that. And no one should. AGAIN–this is a PUBLIC, OPEN forum on the INTERNET. It is not your own private little chat room where you get to dictate the rules. Neither it is a professional society, or a professional journal forum with a closed membership and/or a membership which is expected to act by certain standards of behavior, which professionals ordinarily conform to by mutual agreement. It is, rather, a wide open free-for-all which is populated by WHOMEVER wants to come here. The ONLY rules we have to abide by are those set by the forum owner/administrator.
But I can tell you right now–Jamie knows that if he tried to control the level of discourse on this site to the degree you think is appropriate, his audience would dry up to near nothing.
But, as I say, you’re welcome to try.
“2 It’s a free world, who do you think you are, I’ll fucking do what I like.”
Precisely. And who DO you think you are?
“Now, you scolded Eleven for being concerned about your attitude and not about greater evils in society. Ever thought about what in essence causes these greater evils Randall ?”
So NOW you’re telling me that it’s “foul language?” Are you *for real?* Do you HONESTLY believe that nonsense? I suppose you do. Well then there’s no reaching you or talking to you. There is simply a gulf of sensibility between us that is unlikely to be breached—and I simply don’t have the patience or interest in trying. I have far better things to do than to reach out to people such as you.
“Last point to think about if you like: intellect is a given. Like blue eyes, big breast or a musical gift.”
In fact it is not. Intellect is CULTIVATED. It has to be sought out, managed, developed, and expanded. I’d suggest YOU think about THAT.
October 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
And again, look at this nonsense. This is supposed to be a thread and discussion about *Conspiracy Theories.* But because YOU can’t let this go, Peter, we’re wasting time, space, and effort on an entirely different and IRRELEVANT issue.
THAT is inappropriate, and I strongly suggest that if you want to post something else here, then you ought to address the TOPIC of the thread, and cease wasting everyone else’s time with this pointless discussion about my “language.”
October 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am
1 You kept inviting and challenging me.
2 your posts are way longer than mine.
3 your second post in a row was to tell me that I can’t let go.
Just saying.
October 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
@Peter (207):
I invited you to CONTRIBUTE something to the discussion. It’s plainly evident that you can’t.
We’re done.
October 30th, 2009 at 2:40 am
What discussion ? In Holland we distinguish between ranting/raving and discussing.
Now that I’m here, let me clarify something you clearly didn’t grasp. Typical in itself. No, of course I wasn’t saying that foul language is the root cause of the great conflicts you want Elelven to be concerned with. I clearly meant the ‘I’ll do what I like and I don’t care if it bothers/hurts others’ mentality that you mistake for freedom.
Don’t reply. We were done.
November 1st, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Peter,peter..peeter…peter..Shutafukup!! nobody cares what you think PEETOR
November 1st, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Atleast esamutash and Randall where talking about CONSPIRACIES.. ya know..the subject of this list.. If this was “10 more fascinating assholes” you would actually be contributing something
November 1st, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Great point Miss_Info. Oh yeah, and what exactly were you contributing other than some humorless one liners? Or are you just one that likes to pile on. The man explained he was from Holland, Christ. Are you capable of imagining that other people from other places (I’m assuming you are not from there) might have other expectations for people’s behavior. WTF is wrong with you?
November 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I’m amazed it took 155 posts on this site for someone to point out that Homer Simpson is actually the safety inspector for Sector 7-G.
November 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Whoops, only 70. I need to read better.
As an aside – regardless of how Randall expresses his points, the fact remains that they make sense. I sure don’t mind a few f-bombs tossed in now and again in order to make a point, that’s why the word fuck fucking exists!
I too agree that most of these “conspiracy theories” are simply cases of blowing events out of proportion when simplicity would do, throwing in a few baseless “facts” to make them sound meatier. It’s interesting taht a lot of the “evidence” for these theories is what we DON’T know about the events in question.
Keep in mind – an absence of evidence is not the same as evidence of absence. In other words, just because evidence doesn’t exist doesn’t mean we need to start involving fucking aliens as an explanation.
November 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
@esamutash #212: Thanks asshole..You imply that humor was my intention…
November 10th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
if you cross the bridge in dia to terminal a, there is native american music played 24/7. this is because the native americans warned the architechs that if they didn’t pay some homage to the dead, disaster would happen.
November 16th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Love the lists…. You new(er?) advertising that talks is exceedingly annoying, as I tend to open a number of lists at once in tabs and then read at my leisure. Having all of these talking ads, when I also have music running is frustrating. Especially since I can’t seem to shut off the ads. Help?????
November 19th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Nice list, interesting argument.
Conspiracy theories about aliens, monsters and magic? escapism.
Theories on what the powerful are conspiring to do? Some times wrong but always neccessary lest we wake up in 1984. (northwood? Paperclip?)
Discrediting real investigations by association with aliens and monsters? Orwellian.
@Randall, I’ve “StumbledUpon” loads of interesting articles on psychopaths and psychopathy recently, and they tend to gravitate towards positions of power, and although you and esamutash seemed to disagree over the wording “Insanity”, they are mentally ill!
Although in a very calculated, devious and uncaring way.