The late comedian George Carlin made a good living on his famous “Seven Words You Can Never Say on Television” monologue. In the monologue, he details seven particular words that one could never use on television (or radio either) regardless of intent or context. Use of any of those seven words would (and will) get you bleeped out. Use of enough of them at one sitting and the FCC (in America) will have you up on fines or worse.
Well, Mr. Carlin’s seven dirty words won’t usually cause an eye blink on the Internet; however, some topics are tacitly taboo regardless of the site one is surfing or the point one is trying to make. The introduction of any of these verboten topics into a comment stream, blog post, or general web discussion will invariably result in the immediate cessation of whatever was being discussed and the explosion of a full fledged flame war. These particular topics are so incendiary because they have little or no perceivable middle ground. One must chose a side and any refusal to chose a side will usually result in taking fire from BOTH sides.
Pretty much all of these topics have been around for years, but none of them show the slightest sign of becoming any less inflammatory. If anything, the rapidity of communication available via the web has polarized these issues even more. They are all grenades and a wise man once said, “when the pin is pulled, Mr. Grenade is not our friend.” So, without further ado and with apologies to the late Mr. Carlin, Ten Topics You Cannot Discuss on the Internet (without serious drama following shortly thereafter).
Everyone has an opinion about the Middle East. It may be about the Palestinian State; it may be about oil; it may be about Israel; but that little area of land is blood-soaked for a reason. Trying to talk about the Middle East will almost always end up in a fight because no one has been able to come up with a win-win solution to the area’s problems in a few thousand years. Any solution requires one side or the other to give ground and so far, no one has decided to. This mentality carries over into the supporters of the different positions. Israel is evil. The Palestinians are evil. The Jews are evil. The Arabs are evil. Round and round it goes. Again, no middle ground.
Can’t be discussed rationally. No way, no how. To some it’s a perfectly acceptable lifestyle. To others, it is anathema. It is genetic. It is a choice. It can be “cured”. Once a homosexual, always a homosexual. Nature – or nurture. What’s really upsetting is no middle ground is usually available. If one happens to be a live and let live type of person, he or she is still in some danger of being painted negatively by the other side. One thing that makes this particular topic so explosive is homosexuality is much more mainstream now than it used to be. To some, that is a positive and sought after development. For others, it is a sign that the apocalypse is at hand.
Arguably the most discussed man in all of history. His life traditionally splits the dating system of the Western World into BC and AD. He is also probably the single most divisive person in all history. He was a good man and a great teacher but nothing else. He was God in the flesh. He never existed. Strangely, many people of all stripes who can rationally and calmly discuss the existence of God devolve into name calling and mudslinging once Jesus is brought up. Jesus is another guaranteed firestorm starter.
“Can’t we all just get along?” isn’t really an option. Things are better than in the past in some instances, but in others, not so much. Regardless, trying to talk about it reasonably is nearly impossible. Moderate voices are usually shouted down. Even in the 21st century some people still believe in the superiority of one race over another, despite the fact that, organically, race is a myth. We have ethnicities, yes, but race is an artificial construct based almost solely on the amount of melanin in a person’s skin and the size and layout of the facial bones and musculature. We’ve come a long way, but a long way remains and to discuss it reasonably is difficult. Cries of discrimination start coming in from all sides and before anyone knows it, the “discussion” is in the crapper.
Pro-Choice. Pro-Life. Anti-choice. Baby. Fetus. When does birth begin? I have read more than once that civil debate on abortion is difficult in person and absolutely impossible online. The reasons are plain. It’s a topic that is naturally polarizing. It pits men against women, one religion against another, freedom against bondage, and for some it is literally a matter of life and death. The most divisive facet of the abortion debate, however, is the tendency for both sides to apply black and white thinking to a subject with way too many gray questions to fit into those pigeonholes. The result in “real life” can be crazy mad protests all the way up to clinic bombings. Online isn’t much better as otherwise nice, civil, rational people go from zero to pissed off in less than a second. Too visceral. Avoid at all costs.
This is mostly an issue for Americans and there is a certain amount of politics involved, but even those who live in countries with very strict gun control, or no gun control (and little concern about it) are sure to weigh in on this controversial topic. It is, of course, all the more controversial for Americans because it goes to the very core of the nation – the constitution and the right (or not) to bear arms. We have already had at least one incident of comment war over this topic.
The Holocaust is ALWAYS a fire starter. It never happened. It happened but the numbers are inflated. It happened but why is it so important. The Holocaust is about the Jews. The Holocaust is about all the targeted populations of the Nazis. The Holocaust didn’t get the job done. One reason this topic is so toxic is enough people are around who were eyewitnesses to make a strong case one way, but enough people are around who must rely on second hand information to be subject to influence by deniers. Either way, almost NOTHING elicits the strong feelings that the Holocaust does, and if one makes the mistake of saying one doesn’t care either way, well, god help you.
Of all the topics on this list, politics is the one that seems to have shown the most recent increase in rancor (though not on Listverse – item 6 takes the cake there). In the US we have the Republicans and Democrats, and in many other countries (such as the UK and most of the Commonwealth there is a similar variation of partisan political parties. For the diehard political pundit, his party is his team. It’s his family. It’s a mountain he’s ready to die on. I’ve seen people get physically sick upon learning “their” candidate had lost an election. The saddest part of this polarization is the gridlock it creates in governments. After all, the politicians know about the splits and they’ll pull out all the stops to add to their camp so they can stay in office.
Evolution or Creation? The books that have been written on this subject for either position could probably fill a modest library. Each side has reams of data and boatloads of facts to back up its position and each side roundly thinks the other side’s data and facts are so much excrement. The worst part is, again, no middle ground. If one tries to adopt a position that incorporates both sides, each side will rip him or her to shreds. When the origins of man come up, the gloves come off.
More people have died in the name of God, whatever name that may be, than pretty much all other causes combined. Christian. Muslim. Buddhist. Atheist. Scientologist. No matter the stripe, a surefire way to get EVERYONE mad is to disparage another’s religion or lack thereof. It’s simple, really. Religion or, spirituality if you will, is probably the most intensely personal part of anyone’s being and that includes those who reject religion and spirituality altogether. Also, religion is a family affair. When someone feels his religion is under attack, that attack immediately becomes personal and familial. One push leads to a counter push and the atomic explosion goes off. To make matters worse, some religions have as an integral part a command to proselytize. Also, some people, not from a sense of command, but of desire, will want to proselytize. When that happens, your intensely personal experience collides with another person’s intensely personal experience and the result is a perfect storm of firestorm.
So, there it is. The ten topics you cannot discuss online (without serious drama following shortly thereafter). A word for the wise: it might pay to discuss the reasons behind this inability to discuss certain topics without a war, rather than discussing the merits of the items mentioned specifically. Let’s keep this more civil than the last list that mentioned one of the topics here.






























JESUS! you guys are so gay! Yo momma is a black republican arab who shoudda gotten an abortion when she conceived your evil Nazi ass.
There should be another holocaust aimed at you jew homo-loving, man-came-from-monkey idiot religious zealots!
SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL! SIEG HEIL!
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did i miss anything out?
Yep, missed gun control, but the "add space so my mesage is noticed" part was a nice touch. I really hate when some dumbass does that.
Gun control, U.S., which can be decided by a CORRECT reading of the Constitution; if you join a well regulated (government accepted) militia (18th century definition), you can own a gun. Sorry, all you Travis Bickles, that lets you nuts RIGHT OUT! Put that in your chamber and swallow your next bullet, please.
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
Joeap02 (#2) is right. There is nothing to discuss about evolution, it's scientific fact.
Good list, though. The title could also be "Top 10 Things You Should Never Discuss anywhere if you don't want to waste your time and never reach an agreement and risk to lose a friend"
Actually, Evolution is not fact. its a scientific theory, which means that its been proven possible. its not a law, like gravity, which IS fact.
Gravity is also a scientific theory. Your statement shows a misunderstanding of the word “theory.” A theory refers to a set of ideas for which there is strong enough evidence for it to be considered factually true. Therefore, evolution is considered to have strong enough evidence that it is considered a theory, meaning that it is accepted scientifically as factually true.
Actually (and I know I’m late on this), a scientific theory is an idea that remains true so long as it has data that does not completely disprove it. Evolution is a theory because it hasn’t hit any data that disproves it. It may, it may not. However, a theory and a law are not one and the same, and a theory cannot become a law.
grrrr…My number 1 creationist pet peeve!! you might want to look up what a scientific theory is!
10. The place is doomed to suffer eternity in conflict. It will not end until the last human being has died.
9. Genetic, but how open you are about your homo*****uality is still a choice. A bad choice to hide who you are, but still a choice.
8. Never existed. Period. Just another in the long list of pagan deities-his followers just happened to gain a ball-hold on the ruler of the western world.
7. Racism will always exist, in one form or another. We are in the right place(in most of the world), but getting rid of discrimination person-to-person will never happen.
6. Women will(and do) get abortions regardless of legality or professionals to perform the procedure. Being for/against is completely null.
5. Guns in the hands of an educated and well-trained person are a wonderful thing to have access to, but the general population is ignorant.
4. Happened, was a horrible thing, wasn't just about the Jews.
3. Polarization in politics leads to bull-headed decisions and hurts the system more then it can ever help(look at the health-care debate in America over the last couple of months)(neither side has it right, and only if they would swallow their ***** and cooperate can anything useful come of this fiasco).
2. Evolution happened/continues to happen. It makes perfect sense when concerned with the animal world(and has been observed), but the detractors are merely arguing against evolution because they are religious and feel that it takes away any grain of truth from their dogmas(it doesn't).
1. Religion is deeply personal. It is unique to each and every individual on this planet. The problem is our social tendencies lend themselves to group-identification, and the easiest way to group common superstitions/observable facts(changing of seasons, animals migration/hibernation/mating patterns) is by giving everything a name that everyone in your neighborhood/village agrees on.
There's plenty of evidence that Jesus existed.
no there is not u fag
actually, there is. there’s no evidence that he was the son of god, but there WAS a man called Jesus who lived at that time, and who had siblings
I’m no Christian, but there still is evidence that Jesus was actually a person that lived on this planet. Its just common sense. There is no evidence that he is the son of god. I’m a Caucasian Buddhist living in Japan (Odd? Yes I know. xD), saying that here in Japan (Which the majority is Buddhism, Atheism, Shinto etc) most of us believe that there is no ultimate God, but that we are all individually divine, but still are not close minded to know that a man named Jesus Christ existed.
joko is ignorant of all knowledge… I feel sorry for him.
The list writer is quite stupid. He’s saying what shouldn’t be said on the internet yet hes taking sides and arguing against some points…. fool
Uh, read the list again. The author states several common arguments many people on both sides of the argument use, but doesn’t endorse any particular one of them.
Homo***uality and/or paedophilia is a shocking and disturbing thing because our culture is not ready to accept it; however in Greece ***ual intercourse with prepuscent boys (paederastia) was norm and in Rome homo***ual couples were married.
Please tell me you did not just compare homo*****uality to paedophilia. That is vile. Homo*****uality is a lifestyle between two consenting members of the same *****, and paedophilia is nauseating, but a mental disorder. The two are not comparable.
Don’t give pedophiles a a way out by saying paedophilia is a mental disorder. It’s a moral disorder, nothing less.
We, as a society, are far too willing and eager to blame everything, every character flaw, on “mental disorders”. It’s time we put the blame where it belongs, on people behaving badly. People have to learn to take responsibility for their actions, not shirk responsibility by blaming mental illness.
If I see a sweet 14 yr old girl that looks like she’s 18, as a horny male, I will yearn for her. But as a moral male, I will not pursue the matter.
If a mature male cannot control himself, it’s a MORAL DECISION. But there are a minority of cases where it is in fact a mental disorder. But basically, its a moral decision. Don’t bring up ‘Moral Disorder’… it doesn’t exist.
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Awesome list
hi good evinig
i love you
This list fails. These topics are what keeps the internet entertaining. Shockingly bad argument for the origins of man. Evolution is a scientific fact, it’s ok for you to take sides some times . . .
Number 2!!!! I’m the first loser! Awesome list, and quite true.
I would like to take this opportunity to discuss all the homo*****ual middle easteners who keep getting abortions – bring on the litany of disparaging remarks!
Very true, and I hope all the residents of LV will heed your advice as regards to the comments (probably not :s). Good list, I enjoyed it!
@ shawnlaura (3) I’m totally accepting of homo*****ual middle easterners who keep getting abortions — it’s just those Darwin-loving, gun control-supporting, Jesus-hating Republicans who really get my goat. They are totally unbearable and really ruin a good neighborhood.
I hate them all because I’m a Jesus loving, gun liking, gay hating, abortion slapping, republican smacking, democrat sniping, American!
Tis a very interesting list, good work!
Loved this list,but surely the race relations one and the holocaust aren’t that widely polarizing and argued over? I would’ve thought only a very small minority would be on the segregation/denying side, but who knows, can’t say I discuss them much! Maybe i’m just naive
Great list xx
They may be a minority, but they are a vocal minority.
This list is about firestarters, it technically says you can talk about them, but dont expect it to end quickly.
Evolution isn’t fact, it’s patchy at best.
LET THE GAMES BEGIN!
it actually is a fact……deff not patchy.
Corinthian (9), you forgot gun control. Please try again.
Gravity isn’t a fact, it’s patchy at best.
Heliocentrism isn’t a fact, it’s patchy at best.
In spite of the title, it’s a very SAFE list. It’s okay to choose sides. Religion will never save us.
Exactly, religion will NEVER save ANYONE. That’s why Jesus stepped in.
the u.s should invade the middle east, take their oil and send all the arabs to madagascar
they're already doing that silly
But where else but the internet and the www can one discuss on such matter, anonymously, without fearing someone might punch you in the face?
we await the ***** storm, you know by even mentioning these things people will have to cite their opinion on them? thunderchicken, i imigine you’ll get some
Interesting list… some of the comments are quite funny
Captain Funtime — I would never discuss such delicate subject matter online.
i keep refreshing the page waiting for some badass comment that just going to kick it all off…….it’ll make the morning go quicker while im sat here grinding away at the desk.
Er, Nice list… No further comment on any of the topics.
(I’m learning!)
Good list Aaron, but i cosign Joeap02…These things make the internet interesting, and its safe to “express” your opinion to people you dont know, incase they decide to bomb your house coz you’re married to a black guy, love gays, kill unborn children and converted to Islam!
So very, very true. All of it.
I think the reason people dont like discussing some of these topics is because they dont want they’re minds changed on topics that they feel make them who they are. For example I’m a Christian South African man( white Afrikaaner). I dont want anyone telling me that all races are created equally,its ok to shag a man and Jesus really wasnt the son of God. What it means is that everthing i’ve known for 30 years of my life is based on lies. Its the uncertainty of ones self. Thats perhaps for the more conservative people and doesnt really touch on every subject on the list.
hhhmmm…
I must add, people who want to learn more on these subjects turn to the internet. It’s invaluable to have people’s insight on these matters, and where else is there such a demonstrable amount of easily accessible info. I stand by thinking that these topics are the best topics of discussion anywhere, most of all the internet.
No surprises.
Of all the things… today I had a great idea for a list to write. The topic? This… I had it all planned! Same points and everything. Coincidence or some kind of psychic prescience?
@jfrater: when are u going to post those sub stories
*Forgot to mention that some good things did indirectly come from the holocaust, if only just because we know the results of Mengele’s experiments.
And considering that the holocaust was just a small part of how Hitler and the Nazi’s affected the world in general, you have to take it as another part of a whole.
I hear Germans like to pretend it never happened, but not even Americans deny slavery or the wholesale displacement and slaughter of the Native American tribes and their people.
Dark history is still history.
On a lesser extent, music. Every major YouTube music video has:
1) People *****ing about the music
2) People *****ing about people *****ing about the music
Honestly, nothing on the Internet is completely argument-free. Hell, I’ve seen people fight over whether or not LOLcats are still funny (I say they most definitely are).
Interestingly enough, quite a few of these list entries (gun control, abortion, the Middle East, possible the origin of man) tend to come under the umbrella of politics, which is pretty moronic.
Oh, and discussing British vs. American things. The different versions of English. The different versions of The Office. Etc. Brits (and Canadians) have total inferiority complexes.
Oh, and yes. Discussing Britons and Canadians (and the UK and Canada) will also tend to brew a *****storm.
I’m a little sleep deprived, so sorry if this comment was careless. I probably shouldn’t have mentioned Canadians…
"People *****ing about people *****ing about the music"
So you are *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about music?
And I am *****ing about a person *****ing about people *****ing about people *****ing about music.
If anything Canadians have a superiority complex we invaded the states twice
and still whoop a chump at hockey!
So what’s left?
We’re not going to have an extended discussion about beaver ass juice, are we?
@astraya (31): I have to ask where that came form! Seen it to many times to ignore
Oh, and Israel probably could have been its own entry. After all, some people believe it is the modern-day Nazi Germany. And the Palestinian plight is supposedly the modern-day Holocaust.
Oh, and the smiley face at the bottom near “About” is awesome.
@Bearglove (23):
Shut up. Didn’t you see the title??? Ugh. When will this madness ever end??? Why not we talk about Dora, or preschool, or why the &^%$ shouldn’t we be eating the crusts on sliced bread. Understanding with each other begins with ourselves. This list makes me think that the Amish & Harrison Ford have BETTER lives. BETTER LIVES.
USA-centric obscurantism is a virus
@Bearglove (29): No, Germans definitely don’t pretend it didn’t happen, everyone over there still feels incredibly shamed by the Holocaust, even people who are only in their 20s. It’s also extensively taught in schools. To them it is certainly no laughing matter, and they all feel a shared guilt for what happened.
A good list! Remarkably similar to an etiquette of subjects not to be discussed at the dinner table: *****, Religion, and Politics.
YAY now I can state my opinion on these topic’s… If anyone cares lol
#10: I don’t really care about what goes on in the Middle East. I have no issues with the people I just wish they would get over there barbaric ways(The few)..
#9: I have no problem with gay’s or lesbian’s let them live there lives because last time I checked they are human too. O and it being an act against the bible is bull*****(See #1)
#8: This one is tricky cause I do think there is a god…
#7: This one *****es me off the most… I can not stand those who treat others differently due to there race/gender/nationality… Like I said we are all HUMAN..
#6: I am neither for or against abortion….. Some people don’t deserve kids and some do… But for a immature teen to run off and kill a life cause she wanted to be a ***** is wrong.. But for a woman that was raped and forcefully impregnated I understand that but seriously if you don’t want a kid that bad give them to a family that can’t have a child.. This topic confuses me…
#5: Gun’s don’t kill people… People kill people… If you wanted to use the excuse that gun’s kill in order to ban them then you might as well ban urself.. Or even better we should ban all dog’s and lions and pretty much anything that can kill…
#4: It happened….. Anyone who says it didn’t happen is in my eye’s a neo-nazi… But Genocide’s are a way of life one type of people will always think they are the top dog and try to eliminate the others it is quite pathetic..
#3: I care less about this topic, Bunch of fat grumpy Viagra stuffing old men who think they know it all.
#2: Evolution of man should be renamed to Religion VS Science… That is pretty much what it is… Another random arguement cause man has nothing better to do wiht there lives but argue over the past.
#1: This is a topic I get hell for, I do think there is a god… BUT I am against ALL types of religion… It’s the same damn thing just in different words.. I can not follow some books that are written by man.. Cause man is the worlds best liar.. I do not dislike people who believe in religion, I just can not stand when these fools try to push it on me and when I choose not to worship there way I am suddenly going to hell..
I didn’t type this to start and arguement I just wanna see how many people have the same or close too output’s on these as I have.. Also if my spelling and grammar isn’t perfect then please SUE ME lol it is the internet for god sake you use LOL don’t you..
No one does.
Omg i think i found my twin .. I totally agree with u .. I also find it hard to believe something that was written by man as well and also all the other stuff i cant believe there is another person that has the same opinions on these subjects as i do
Lots of people have these thoughts. And many of us are men. You are not alone. It just seems like people with our mindset tend to mind our own f*%$in business more than others tend to.
OMG I am very sorry I fully forgot…
VERY VERY VERY good list Aaron!!!!!
@36-I’ve been misinformed by visitors to the country and some German immigrants that I have conversed with then.
Even so, feeling ashamed is no way to mend things. It’s over and done with. Move on.
dude, don’t we ourselves discuss these things? especially on the “Your View?” Just asking…
@ Tj(38). Thanks for piping in too. This was my intent as well. Just because we’re trying to avoid arguing over these things, doesn’t mean we can’t still state our opinions on the matters in a serious fashion.
@Taash (32): Believe it or not, it started on Top 10 Bizarre Food Ingredients because beaver ass juice is one of the items (item 3)
@43 hey No problem everyone has a right to there own opinion and I would not hate on anyone’s opinion no matter how much it bothers some
UNLESS you are a racist… There opinions never matter
the only reason people cant discuss these topics rationally is because everyone thinks they and only they are right. the problem is not the topic, but the people discussing them
@47 Took the words right outta my mouth
. Well said
@jfrater (44): Thanks Jaime… It was posted before i was a listverser… but i have been trying to catch up! Musta missed it.
@jfrater (44): who can forget beaver ass juice??
Look at all these lovely topics for discussion!
Love the list. Great work. I thought you would have ranked abortion, homo*****uality and the middle east higher than gun ownership and the holocaust. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed reading this.
@calm_incense (31): u left out people that notice there are two types of people
Honestly most of these topics are only controversial in the US, in France for example the evolution of man isn’t exactly a hot debate, evolution is widely accepted my the majority, even if France is historically a Catholic country.
I get into arguements over religion and the origins of man all the time. Especially religion that is a sure fire starter. By the way just to refute one comment, there is zero evidence for the religious sides arguements and truckloads of evidence for evolution and how we evolved.
@Bearglove (30):
Mengele’s experiments increased the knowledge of the world in no way. Please mention what discovery he made.
He was an awful scientist and the most horrid of human beings.
Please tell what you know to the contrary.
Mike Seneca
You could have made it a bigger list.
I really thought #1 was going to be Star Trek vs Star Wars
@Gav (57): Star Trek… No doubt!
Don’t you see the irony in posting this list?
jfrater and taash: Thanks for explaining that. That’s the problem with in-jokes.
What’s the bet that this turns into an extended discussion about at least one of the things that we’re not meant to be discussing?