Genius is defined as a person having a natural capacity of intellect. Many movies portray these individuals, with their individual skills, whether it is mathematics, science, art or music. Here are 10 films which brilliantly portray 10 different “versions” of genius in modern cinema. Most of the films are based on the character’s life and, in particular, how their abilities fit into their lives and the lives of people around them. The majority of them are based on real people, and the list is in alphabetical order.
Jackson Pollock was an American abstract painter who died in 1956, aged just 44. He was best known for his expressionist paintings done on large canvases, usually stretched across the floor. Instead of painting, he would throw paint over the canvas, dripping it and smearing it. Being regarded as somewhat of a genius, he is quoted to have said, “When I am in my painting, I’m not aware of what I’m doing. It is only after a sort of ‘get acquainted’ period that I see what I have been about. I have no fear of making changes, destroying the image, etc., because the painting has a life of its own. I try to let it come through. It is only when I lose contact with the painting that the result is a mess. Otherwise there is pure harmony, an easy give and take, and the painting comes out well.”
He struggled with alcoholism throughout his entire life, with it eventually being the cause of his death in a drunken car accident. The film Pollock was released in 2000 and stars Ed Harris and Marcia Gay Harden. Harden won an academy award for her portrayal of Jackson’s wife, Lee Krasner. The film tells the story of his career and struggles with alcoholism as well as the reception to his work.
Everyone should be familiar with Rain Man, winning four Oscars in 1989, including one for Best Actor in a Leading Role for Dustin Hoffman. Hoffman plays an autistic savant, Raymond, who, while being severely disabled, still has areas of brilliance and expertise which conflict with his overall nature. He based his character on a real life savant named Kim Peek, who is regarded as the most brilliant savant in the world. Peek can read 2 pages of a book in about 10 seconds with his left eye reading the left page and his right eye reading the right page. He can remember 98% of this information, and retains all of it. As well as being a speed calculator, he can also recall over approximately 12,000 books about geography, history, literature etc, and can also declare the day of any date in history.
The film Rain Man, however, is not based on Kim Peek’s life, but tells the fictional story of Raymond’s brother Charlie (played by Tom Cruise), who discovers his brother after their father dies and leaves his multi-million dollar estate to Raymond. Charlie sets out initially to use Raymond’s abilities for his own gain, but through spending time with him, grows to love him. Throughout the film, Dustin Hoffman’s performance is flawless and brilliant.
Robert James Fischer is regarded as one of the greatest chess players of all time, with legendary achievements including becoming the youngest grandmaster ever, at age 15. The film ‘Searching for Bobby Fischer’ is based on Joshua Waitzkin, another child chess prodigy who followed in the footsteps of Bobby Fischer. Max Pomeranc stars as Waitzkin in the movie, and is discovered as a naturally gifted chess player and nurtured by a strict instructor. Joshua Waitzkin started playing chess at age six, and between his third and ninth grades, he had won eight individual titles and seven team championships.
A child prodigy is the name given to a youngster whose intellect or skills are regarded as being very much beyond their years. Generally it is given to children under 15 who perform certain skills at the level of a highly trained adult, usually in a very demanding field. Some child prodigies have been known to study for a P.H.D at age 12, and enter university as young as 8. Little Man Tate is a 1991 film directed by, and starring, Jodie Foster. The film tells the story of a young genius, Fred Tate, who, at just 7 years old, is a gifted pianist, mathematical genius and artist. The film focuses on his attempts to fit in to society, although his intelligence becomes a psychological strain on him and his single mother, Dede.
A Beautiful Mind is based on a book of the same title. Both the film and the novel tell the story of Nobel Prize-winning Mathematician and Economist, John Forbes Nash. Originally, Tom Cruise was set to play the lead role, but Crowe was chosen after Ron Howard (Director) saw his performance in Gladiator. The film follows Nash through a large part of his life, including his time at Princeton University. It encompasses his successes and his downfalls, the biggest of which is his schizophrenia and paranoia, which bring tremendous strain to his work, family and friends. The film won four Academy awards, including Best Picture.
Also notable: Good Will Hunting
Amadeus is regarded as one of the greatest musical drama films ever made. It was nominated for 53 awards and amazingly, won 40 of them, including 8 Academy awards. The film is based loosely on the lives of Antonio Salieri and Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart, both composers living in Vienna, Austria, in the latter part of the 18th century. Although the film is comedic, Mozart was a child prodigy who was composing pieces for keyboard and violin at the age of 5, as well as performing before royalty. He composed over 600 works in total throughout his lifetime and was regarded as the greatest naturally gifted, child musician of all time.
Also notable: Immortal Beloved
Dark Matter is a film I only recently became aware of. It is loosely based on the story of Gang Lu, the perpetrator of the 1991 University of Iowa shootings, although the film focuses on his time at the university, rather than his crimes. The character, Liu Xing, is a gifted young Chinese student who is flown to America to study physics at a higher level. While there, he joins a cosmology group led by Jacob Reiser, a famous cosmologist. Xing’s brilliance becomes apparent and he is quickly taken under the professor’s wing as they try to create a model for the origin of the universe. However, Xing becomes obsessed with the study of ‘Dark Matter’ – an unseen substance that he believes shapes the universe and everything in it, conflicting with Reiser’s theory. The character battles his ego, and cultural differences while attempting to retain his natural ability for science, as well as his sanity.
Not really a genius in a given field, but a character with incredible talents, nonetheless. Sean Patrick Flanery plays an albino boy nicknamed “Powder”, who has incredible intellect, telepathy and paranormal powers. The boy’s real name is Jeremy Reed, and his mother was struck by lightning when pregnant with him, giving him his abilities. Powder also has the ability to sense other people’s feelings around him. Jeff Goldblum and Mary Steenburgen also star in the film, which deals with Powder’s refusal to enter society, as well as the limits of the human body and mind.
This was a tough call as the genius portrayed in this movie is entirely science fictional, but I thought I’d include it anyway. There have been two Time Machine movies (1960 and 2002), each based on H.G. Wells’ novel of the same name. Although in the films the protagonist has a name, in the book he is simply known as the ‘Time Traveler’: a young, gifted inventor from New York (in the 2002 version.) After his girlfriend is killed by a robber, he sets about building a time machine which will allow him to travel back in time and save her. After realizing that no matter how many times he goes back, his girlfriend always gets killed in a different way he goes forward to 2037, and witnesses the breaking up of the moon and, ultimately, the end of the human race. After being knocked unconscious, he awakens in the year 802,701, where mankind has reverted to a primitive way of life and are tormented by ape-like monsters called ‘Morlocks’. While the movies aren’t brilliant, the novel was a revelation, introducing the idea of time travel to science fiction way back in 1895.
This touching film tells the story of a young black teenager, Jamal Wallace, who has a great natural gift for writing. He happens upon an old, reclusive writer named William Forrester, brilliantly portrayed by Sean Connery. As the friendship between the two grows, each discovers themselves in different ways, and ultimately come to terms with their identities. It is commonly thought that the character of William Forrester is based upon J.D Salinger, author of ‘The Catcher in the Rye’. Although Jamal is an incredibly gifted student, peer pressure pushes him to perform at an average level in school, while Forrester helps him ignite his passion for literature and, finally, to become a success.
Also notable: Basketball Diaries
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1 Choosilicious
June 6th, 2010 at 8:32 am
I'm only familiar with Supernatural.
2 Choosilicious
June 6th, 2010 at 8:33 am
how's about another list based on statistics and not opinion? I don't know about much of this so it interests me less D:
3 Danmoo
June 6th, 2010 at 8:41 am
Man i have not seen Searching for Bobby Fisher in a while. next movie to watch
4 Leewey
June 6th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Basketball diaries is disturbing, mentally draining but excellent film that is probably closer to the bones of society across the globe than alot of these, even though it does get a notable mention.
5 WindsorDuke
June 6th, 2010 at 8:48 am
Interesting start and a few movies I haven't seen and now want to. It's a shame this list went downhill with powder and time machine though. Especially the Time Machine. It doesn't even attempt to portray genius you just assume genius as he actually invents the thing.
6 undaunted warrior 1
June 6th, 2010 at 8:52 am
Only seen 3 of them
Thanks for the list – enjoyable read.
7 Suharto Lova
June 6th, 2010 at 1:53 am
Seriously man. I can’t see your avatars from my opera mini.
I don’t have internet connection here.
So that’s all i’ve got. My phone, and opera mini.
8 ruth
June 6th, 2010 at 8:59 am
Seen all of these films, and I don't think 3 & 2 should be included.
9 Ziraphen
June 6th, 2010 at 9:11 am
I found that Darren Aranovsky's 'Pi' was another good example of mathematical genius. It's a shame that it is always seen as second to 'A Beautiful Mind'/
10 Smithdogg
June 6th, 2010 at 9:17 am
I have only one thing to say about Finding Forrester.
You're the man now, dog!
11 jfrater
June 6th, 2010 at 9:19 am
It is one of my favorite films – which is why I added it as an honorable mention.
12 JonRok
June 6th, 2010 at 9:25 am
The place 5 is well given to Amadeus, but i prefer "The Legend of 1900".
13 63jax
June 6th, 2010 at 9:48 am
where's Dick Dastardy?
14 Bazza
June 6th, 2010 at 10:12 am
This list seriously drops the ball with 3 and 2.
15 some guy
June 6th, 2010 at 10:23 am
Powder definitely does not deserve a place here. Probably not The Time Machine either.
16 Ciremelf
June 6th, 2010 at 10:24 am
I am really surprised that Good Will Hunting isn't part of this list. Please consider adding it to the notable mentions. Good Job nonetheless.
17 Ciremelf
June 6th, 2010 at 10:36 am
I also agree and am curious as to why you put The Time Machine, and Powder on this list. in that case, why not add Phenomenon in place of Powder… clearly, ever you yourself were unsure if you should put these 2 movies on here. I respect your final decision, but there really are a few other movies better suited for a list like this. GWH as mentioned before, Shine, hell even August Rush is more deserving than Powder.
18 Arsnl
June 6th, 2010 at 3:43 am
When i saw the title i thought well good will hunting will certainly be here. I cant be happier that it is not. It was so fake. The math part is so unbelievable. A fields winner will NOT teach fourier series because it is such a simple math (2nd year in college) he will most likely teach really incredibly complex math. I went once to a seminar by a french winner of a fields medal. I only stayed there for 1h. It was really complex stuff. Mostly other famous professors were attending. And i still remember a scene where will writes a paper and hands it out to his prof. And the guy is simply amazed by the fact that he used a “maclaurin expansion”. You learn that in the first year. So you wouldnt be jumping to save that kind of paper from burning. Simply too unrealistic.
19 Stephen
June 6th, 2010 at 10:56 am
Interesting list!
The one about Kim Peek (Rain Man) should be changed to past tense. He passed away earlier this year.
20 Ciremelf
June 6th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Maybe a movie should be made about you? Obviously you are the smartest poster on here. I hereby change my mind about Good Will Hunting. shame on me…
21 paulo
June 6th, 2010 at 11:09 am
and mutley too!!!
22 Wrichik Basu
June 6th, 2010 at 11:15 am
"Powder" and "The Time Machine" don't really belong here. A list of geniuses portrayed in film should only include those based on real people.
A film about a real genius film personality like "The Aviator" or "Chaplin" would be a better fit.
How about "Gandhi" – a genius in his own way ?
23 astraya
June 6th, 2010 at 11:19 am
Most movies about geniuses I have seen seem to show them as possessing at least one and possibly more of:
mental illness,
megalomania,
absent mindedness/nuttiness, or
a more or less complete absence of social skills.
24 astraya
June 6th, 2010 at 11:28 am
A few years ago I joined the International High IQ Society. Now I can't remember my username and password, which indicates something, but I can't remember what.
25 jec
June 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
(1) That you didn't write them down, or (2) That you've got a bad memory?
26 oouchan
June 6th, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Although I love both Powder and The Time Machine, they really don't fit well in the list. Seen all the movies listed and Amadeus is still my favorite…just for the music alone.
27 Wrichik Basu
June 6th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Oops !!! This wasn't meant to go here !!!
28 Mr. Ree
June 6th, 2010 at 12:58 pm
What about Phenomenon? It combined supernatural/extraterrestrial and genius.
29 gabi319
June 6th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
Item #10: Pollack
"with it eventually being the cause of his death in a drunken car accident. "
One of his many mistresses was in the passenger seat .
"Instead of painting, he would throw paint over the canvas, dripping it and smearing it."
Called "action painting", which involved more than just dripping and smearing although it looks like that's all it was. It was the antithesis to the traditional, very stationary style of painting. It may not look it just by judging the end result but Pollock's action painting is the inspiration for works like these:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuexWks5GRE&fe...
30 James
June 6th, 2010 at 6:14 am
Time Travel(needs more research)? And supernatural=no way. Is there science behind time travel? With regards to rain man, I don't think having super memory means you are a genius (Oxford dictionary defines intellect this way : "The power of using your mind to think logically and understand things"). Rain man/Kim Peek may have had a huge memory, but did he understand what he had memorized, what it meant?. If he did, he may have then decided that some of what he had memorized wasn't worth memorizing in the first place.
31 Arsnl
June 6th, 2010 at 1:33 pm
well since the fields medal is awarded only once every 4 years(to 2,3 or 4) and only to mathematicians under 40, there arent as many. i dont actually know how many actually teach though
32 James
June 6th, 2010 at 1:40 pm
Whilst I don't like Russell Crowe movies, or maths, I really liked A Beautiful Mind. And Rain Man taught me that you can learn something from anyone, even if they have an intellectual disability, or their listverse points are so low
33 betterthantheoriginalwally
June 6th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Yep, thats me all over.
34 ianz09
June 6th, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Jackson Pollock was only a genius because he knew how to sell children's paintings as abstract art. He was salesman, not an artist.
35 hanktherapper
June 6th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
You're the man now, dog.
36 bucketheadrocks
June 6th, 2010 at 2:42 pm
Not only are these movies great, they are very touching and can bring out a feminine side in everyone.
Please don't take offense any women who read this?
37 Yeah
June 6th, 2010 at 8:09 am
The aviator should have been there, and certainly good will hunting.
38 nicoleredz3
June 6th, 2010 at 8:26 am
I’m looking forward to seeing number 1… Cool list…
39 Phoebe
June 6th, 2010 at 8:57 am
What the— People who are dumb are the only ones who treat Pollock as a ‘genius’. Sorry, that was mean but wake-up and get real. Ok, let’s see the line of genius in the art world — Leonardo, Michelangelo, Van Gogh, Pollock. Spot the difference. I’ll even throw Dali in there, Pollock is no match for these artists. Shouldn’t he be more of an infamous man for bringing or inspiring those who can’t paint to paint or do modern art crap that we see today? ‘Art’ in this era is pathetic, piss and poo at the museum? Installation of your own bed with your used tampons and condoms? Pure garbage.
I watched the film and there’s a part where he’s ‘thinking’ and this intense music comes up (like something’s brewing) he then ‘paints’ and in the result was squiggles. That was funny.
40 Anoonimoose
June 6th, 2010 at 3:59 pm
Great list. I enjoyed Dark Matter (2008) and recommend it.
41 Moonbeam
June 6th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Shine was brilliant – good call!
42 Moonbeam
June 6th, 2010 at 4:50 pm
I'm not sure they'd necessarily have to be about actual people, but I agree about Powder and >i?The Time Machine. Neither one seems to fit the list well. I would say that Little Man Tate was a good fictional account of genius. Maybe a better idea would have been to make two lists, one fictional and one based on real life. What would make it tough, though is how filmmakers often blur the line between truth and fantasy as in Amadeus or even Rainman.
43 Moonbeam
June 6th, 2010 at 4:53 pm
Does you comment prove the bit about "absent mindedness! ;D
44 Alan
June 6th, 2010 at 4:58 pm
Number 2.
Actually 3 HG Wells time machine movies. Time after time(1979). HG Wells travels into the future, but then the story diverges from the book. He pursues Jack the Ripper in modern day San Francisco.
45 The Sanity Inspector
June 6th, 2010 at 5:08 pm
Fun list! A good replacement for one of the borderline entries would have been The Agony And The Ecstasy, featuring Charlton Heston as Michelangelo.
46 General Tits Von Chodehoffen
June 6th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
Not what I was expecting. When I saw "Art" as the first entry on the list I assumed each one would be based on a different intellectual subject. However "autism" isn't exactly something you go study to do. Either way cool list, I'll have to see some of these.
47 Victor
June 6th, 2010 at 5:17 pm
"A few years ago I joined the International High IQ Society. Now I can't remember my username and password, which indicates something, but I can't remember what."
Well, this just shows that high IQ does no equal good memory. LOL.
48 Arsnl
June 6th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Good call. Really great movie. Id also add catch me if you can. Not a genious but a really skillful guy.
49 Arsnl
June 6th, 2010 at 10:33 am
And time travel. I didnt get that one but now i know where the time travel machine from the big bang theory came from.
50 Moonbeam
June 6th, 2010 at 6:34 pm
It's too bad you didn't just submit this as a list for JFrater to publish here.
51 ROCKETSCIENCE
June 6th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
Great list, was disappointed that "Something the Lord Made" wasn't mentioned. One of the best movies ever made IMO.
52 Packeranatic
June 6th, 2010 at 7:04 pm
I'm a fan of Pollock style art but that video was amazing!
53 Wrichik Basu
June 6th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
I agree that it is quite rare for renowned scientists/mathematicians to teach elementary college courses (I thumbed your comment up
), but Feynman taught undergrad and so does Sidney Altman.
54 segues
June 6th, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Good list, but missing about 15 films which belong up there, too.
55 Robert Thornton Daniels
June 6th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
good list but I was totally expecting Pirates of Silicon Valley and Good Will Hunting.
56 massive611
June 6th, 2010 at 7:56 pm
According to Blockbuster, Dark Matter (2008) is actually Dark Matter (2007)..
57 MadJayhawk
June 6th, 2010 at 9:31 pm
I had a roommate who could be a distinguished president of the International High IQ Society and the poor dude could spell a lick. I never understood that. I helped with his spelling and he helped me with my calculus.
58 cbspazz
June 6th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
I suggest Primer (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primer_(film)) instead of The Time Machine in #2
59 segues
June 6th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
My original comment got sent too soon, so I'll finish up now that I have a bit of time.
I saw most of the films on the list, but my favorite was A Beautiful Mind. It's not my favorite because it's the best film, but because it's the best story, and it's it's true. The book was better by far, I had read years previous, so was a bit apprehensive about exactly how Hollywood would screw up the story.
Happily, they did a half-way decent job of not screwing it up too badly. I do recommend that anyone who hasn't read the book to do so asap.
The film I had the most intimate connection to was Pollock. The line, "“When I am in my painting, I’m not aware of what I’m doing…" is absolutely spot on! With me, it is photography, and my digital manipulations, but the feeling is exactly the same. While I am in my image, tweaking the colors, creating a moire in the background, subtly shifting one thing into another until nothing is recognizable, and everything is strange and otherworldly and I stop…and look up…and the light is somewhere different, and hours have passed, and I have no memory of anything but being inside my image.
That is a feeling any artist in the world will understand, recognize, and have experienced over and over again.
60 gabi319
June 6th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
Wrong there, Ian. Most of the time he was probably too drunk to care how his work fared in the market and the brief time he was sober, he spent holed up in the studio in intense solitude. In fact there was really only one decent photograph of him in action that I can recall because he refused to play to the press.
If you want to blame the financial success of his paintings on anyone, then that blame belongs to his wife who was essentially his art manager.
61 oliveralbq
June 6th, 2010 at 4:48 pm
yeah…..because, yanno….blockbuster is never wrong :/
according to my dvd case its " 暗物质(2008) "
nah — i wont act like a dickwad right at this very moment.
hell, ill even give credit where its due, (massive and blockbuster)::
it was scheduled for release in april of 2007.
i even saw it in park city in 2007 at sundance 3 months earlier — where it won the science/technology movie award (sloan award, i believe)
as nathaaan noted — it *loosely* based
on events surrounding a 1991 shooting at the university of iowa by gang lu.
unfortunately, it was closer to the 2007 events in blacksburg, va, at virginia tech
perpetuated by seung hui cho
due to that circumstance, the release date was pushed back 15months.
the usa release date (and it was an american film) was 11 april 2008 — although it didnt
appear in las vegas until fall of that year.
blockbuster should know well enough to date the film at its release
at any rate — while i didnt love it, it raised interesting questions pitting science and religion against each other (and it's not the stand the movie takes, rather an educational depiction of the idiologies around the clash
another thing you get to experience is the underbelly of academic politics in america, which is typically candy coated to the public — and the psycological effect this has on otherwise extremely driven students
it was really interesting, although it seems pepole either love it or hate it — for everyperson who says its brilliant, there is another cat saying its way too artsy-fartsy
and meryl streep and aidan quinn were great, but the standout is ye liu, who was making this first american movie after establishing his reputation as a major chinese actor
good inclusion nathaaan
62 segues
June 6th, 2010 at 11:51 pm
I can't find it in this stupid system, so it must be a reply, and I'll be damned if I'm going to open every f*cking reply just to find it…some one commented that he had a roommate who could have been the president of the International High IQ society, but the guy couldn't spell a lick, so he helped the guy with his spelling and the guy helped him with his calculus, and he couldn't understand that.
Simple, really.
Language skills, such as spelling, are done on the right side of brain, while analytical skills, such as mathematics, are done on the left side of the brain. Almost everyone uses one side of the brain more than the other. A very few people, very, very few, use both side equally well.
Your roommate was a left brainer. You are a right brainer.
Ta da!
63 oliveralbq
June 6th, 2010 at 5:21 pm
hey seggie—–
i have noticed in the past that our tasts in movies often parallel
what else went through your mind?
i was going to do the same thing, as i can think of about 9 others.
rattle off a few if you dont mind
(during commercial breaks of the lakers game, of course! — we got an early 8-7 lead — keep it up guys!).
you dont need oscar meyer telling you that their weiners are the best weiners
:):)
64 astraya
June 7th, 2010 at 12:35 am
And there are people who are no-brainers!
65 oliveralbq
June 6th, 2010 at 6:30 pm
my masters minor was in statistics.
typically you can assign stats to damn near anything
(well a high %s, anyway)
this doesnt fall into that catagory.
if you tell me how it would be possible to emperically analyze this, then ill write the damn list.
**disclaimour**
what ever you come up with has to make sense.
66 mrssmith080604
June 7th, 2010 at 1:37 am
Very interesting list indeed! Though I have not seen all the movies on this list, I have seen a few and the others seem very interesting and I am actually looking at putting these on my list to see!!
67 segues
June 7th, 2010 at 1:42 am
Yikes! I didn't see this soon enough, so I'll give you a more complete answer later (tomorrow), but the first movie that came to mind was What the Bleep Do We Know!?
Back to the game….
68 ianz09
June 7th, 2010 at 2:11 am
Gabi, when you said I was wrong, I was worried you were going to argue that Pollock was an artistic genius and then spoon-feed me the typical crap about how the splatter painting has all this hidden or deeper meaning. Truth is, with enough paint, alcohol, and frustration, I could do equally "good" work. But, you made a good point, and thanks for not trying to convince me that it is abstract art.
69 Victor
June 7th, 2010 at 2:23 am
"Most movies about geniuses I have seen seem to show them as possessing at least one and possibly more of:
mental illness,
megalomania,
absent mindedness/nuttiness, or
a more or less complete absence of social skills. "
Yes, I hate that too. Way to promote the stupid stereotype. I know many smart people that aren't "socially awkward", shy or crazy. Sure, they have their issues, but that's just like anybody else.
70 oliveralbq
June 6th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
man…..not cool
how dare you leave me out of your list?
i can juggle limes with one hand, do a sudoku with the other, pet my kittycat's ears with my foot, listen to the lakers game, allow my hair and fingernails to grow, chew gum, read today's list, and yell at my nephew, all while laying on the ground.
this is clearly and unmistakably more impressive than at least 3 of your entries
*not pleased*
:p
71 Victor
June 7th, 2010 at 2:25 am
That's because IQ tests – at least the ones I have seen – measure your level of logical reasoning and spatial/time perception. They aren't actually about memorizing things, spellings or being up to date with the news or something like that…
72 oliveralbq
June 6th, 2010 at 8:06 pm
good list man — i have only one issue…….
[from nathaaan, list entry #3]:
""Not really a genius in a given field, but a character with incredible talents, nonetheless.""
this sounds like you are describing kobe bryant.
—–anyway—-
many people have had an issue with this entry, powder.
if i say it doesnt make sense on this list, then i'll be the 27th person to do so
that got dumb after the third time.
what i want to know, nathaaan, is **why** you put it on this list.
—it appears as if this list was well thought out, mostly, but i cannot embrace the idea
that somehow, this makes sense::
list title — —""films portraying genius""
1st sentence: — ""Not really a genius…""
theres gotta be a reason you did this, and i was just curious
why, sir
73 oliveralbq
June 7th, 2010 at 3:22 am
yep—–
the list is interesting for sure.
you said you have an interest in the flicks from the list that you havnt seen.
may i suggest that you go through the comments, and add some of those to your must see list as well.
a couple examples:
—ziraphen said: ""i found that darren aranovsky's 'pi' was another good example of mathematical genius.""
—the agony & the ecstasy, featuring charlton heston as michelangelo
—good will hunting.
—pirates of silicon valley
just to name a few.
have fun!
74 deathgleaner
June 7th, 2010 at 5:03 am
Amadeus is an awesome film. Glad you mentioned it.
75 ouiareborg
June 7th, 2010 at 5:27 am
You added it? I thought the author was Nathaan90?
76 ouiareborg
June 7th, 2010 at 5:27 am
Is that a pseudonym?
77 ouiareborg
June 7th, 2010 at 5:29 am
I agree, although Russel Crowes performance was excellent. My only problem with the film, was the woman who played the wife. She won an Oscar and couldn't act if her life depended on it.
78 mrssmith080604
June 7th, 2010 at 5:38 am
Oh really??? Is there proof of this oliveralbq??? j/k You do seem to be able to juggle many things at one time–heck, don't we all??
79 c man
June 7th, 2010 at 5:45 am
phenomenon?
80 ouiareborg
June 7th, 2010 at 5:45 am
The Great Imposter with Tony Curtis
81 mrssmith080604
June 7th, 2010 at 5:50 am
Okay—was given a request to say which of these movies I would put on my "to see" list. So here goes:
#9, #6, & #3 I have seen
#10, #7, #1-these are definately ones I would like to see
#4 & #5 are possibilities.
not saying that I wouldn't watch the others, but these are the ones that I would like to see. I like different movies, so these are a broad range of some that I like anyways.
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June 7th, 2010 at 5:58 am
watched the end of a disappointing game, then two interesting nature documentaries. Haven't given the list a lot of thought, but I'd to add Ghandi, the 1982 film starring Ben Kingsley and directed by Richard Attenborough.
Balzac and the Little Chinese Seamstress deserves a place on the list, too, though, again, the book by Dai Sijie is better.
Munich may seem an odd choice, but given some deep thought you'll come to understand the reason why it belongs on a list of films portraying genius.
I waffled over Chariots of Fire, and then tossed it. I realized I was including it mentally not because of genius, but because one of the lead characters maintained his moral principles even in the face of loss and humiliation.
The Last Emperor does deserve a place on the list for far too many reasons to go into unless I want to become a Randall clone, and I don't want to do that, but it it shows the brilliance of a man brought up to believe he was god, then to have entire system, the only system he ever knew taken forcibly away from him, and having to entirely re-invent himself. That takes genius.
Going back in time, I can recommend Anatomy of Murder, Casablanca, To Kill a Mockingbird, One Flew Over the Cucu's Nest…and I'm still working from off the top of my head!
Plus, I'm tired and full of opiates. Not the best time to think rationally.
I'll try to make more sense tomorrow, ollie.
83 segues
June 7th, 2010 at 6:05 am
you dont need oscar meyer telling you that their weiners are the best weiners
:):)
I know who has the best weiner. I'm married to him.
;-P
84 segues
June 7th, 2010 at 6:10 am
And many of them can found right here on Listverse!
85 jfrater
June 7th, 2010 at 6:30 am
Nathaan90 is the author – I added that one honorable mention because he didn't add one.
86 bluesman87
June 7th, 2010 at 8:30 am
oh yeah……..saw that the other day was confused too
87 bluesman87
June 7th, 2010 at 8:38 am
a movie like "a beautiful mind " should be made about Peter Green . Good list cant beleive i havent seen most of these .
88 mahfoozhasan
June 7th, 2010 at 9:24 am
Great list of movies, although I've only seen A beautiful Mind and Good Will Hunting, both of which are highly commendable. Looking forward to watching Finding Forrester and Dark Matter.
89 ruth
June 7th, 2010 at 10:30 am
This list has really put me in the mood to watch one of these again! I think I'll go with Dark Matter
90 astraya
June 7th, 2010 at 3:47 am
(Gasp!) No!!!! Really????!!!!
Name three.
91 astraya
June 7th, 2010 at 10:47 am
How did I end up on minus 17 points?
92 bluesman87
June 7th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Do you mean mensa ?
93 bluesman87
June 7th, 2010 at 12:41 pm
any political or religous posts recently ? those will bite you in the ass!!!! ask geronimo…
94 oliveralbq
June 7th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
no there is not proof
when i try to balance these 9 things, *and* hold a video camera, it all goes to shit.
im working on it though
95 nathaaan90
June 7th, 2010 at 1:31 pm
Areas of genius in films were proving to be hard to distinguish when I was doing my research. I did think at one point of adding Science as well as physics, and including a film like October Sky, or Rocket Boys, though this could have come under the head 'Rocket Science'. In the end, I had 9, and needed to add a tenth, so i decided to add a fictional person with supernatural powers. This fitted with the pretense that genius means someone who has a natural capacity for incredible talents.
96 psychosurfer
June 7th, 2010 at 2:55 pm
Goya was a better painter and movie than Pollock.
Powder is one of the worst films I´ve ever seen.
Kim Peek died last year.
97 AE
June 7th, 2010 at 9:11 am
You make a comment about almost not including a movie about a science fiction genius but say nothing about one that has a guy who is given magic powers after his mother was hit by lightning? Really?
98 segues
June 7th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Funny man.
What is up with these numbers next to our nick's?
Mine is 33p and shows up in a yellow oval. Yours, astraya, is -12, and is in a gray oval. oliveralbq's is 65p in yellow, etc…I don't get it. Maybe there was an explanation somewhere, sometime, but I spend so much less time here than previously (lots of images to work on), that I missed any such explanation.
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June 7th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
pi! Of course! ollie, your list is perfect, now that I've had some sleep, and can think again. Although, for mathematical movies, I still love What †he ßleep Do W∑ (K)¶ow so absolutely it's scary. The reason I like it so much? It's not only accurate, it's fun.
I was watching a docu. a few weeks ago on physics. To my happy surprise, they spent quite a bit of time on M theory. When you asked for my list of movies about "genius" there was one movie I wanted to add, but it didn't fit the criteria. It was not directly, or indirectly, about the genius of one person. It did, however, in the writing of the script, lean quite heavily on knowledge of M theory.
The movie, of course, is Sliding Doors, the 1998 movie based on parallel universes, and what would happen if… It's not a sci-fi movie. In fact, it's a romance. Gwyneth Paltrow, John Hannah.
I know more will come to mind as the day lengthens.
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June 7th, 2010 at 5:35 pm
Sam Francis was a better painter than Pollack, but there was no movie about his life.
101 massive611
June 7th, 2010 at 9:28 pm
yeah, Blockbuster doesn't have a great record with release dates… The comment bellow me suggested the movie Primer, which wiki states was released in '04, yet Blockbuster has it at '03. Nevertheless, I admire your passion for the subject matter.
102 segues
June 7th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Amadeus was on the list, so I didn't think it needed to be mentioned in any additional lists we might make here in the comments.
Or was that your point? Your post is a bit short on information, so I'm not sure to whom you are making your comment.
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June 7th, 2010 at 10:13 pm
I just thought of another! Finding Neverland, the biography of James Barrie. I was going to add another, Cholera, the biography of John Snow, but realized it was a dream.
I have very good dreams.
104 astraya
June 7th, 2010 at 10:32 pm
It's an approval/disapproval rating, as judged by your peers on this site. In the right opposite your name are thumbs up and down re this comment, plus a score for this comment. These are all added up to make your overall score, which is next to your username.
105 Samzilla
June 7th, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Best comment ever.
106 Markus
June 7th, 2010 at 11:21 pm
What a boring life you must lead if you're only interested in what you already know about.
107 hunter
June 8th, 2010 at 3:09 am
Where's The Nutty Professor"????
hehehe
108 psychosurfer
June 8th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Thanks, I didn´t know this guy and have been been checking some of his great work through the net. Although I´m too ignorant to really appreciate this kind of art, I really enjoy the balance of shapes and colors in his paintings.
109 psychosurfer
June 8th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
Yeah they also missed Dr. Emmett Brown!!!
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June 8th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
I'm always happy to turn someone's attention to a wonderful painter such as Sam Francis, but never use the adjective "ignorant" to describe yourself if you haven't been properly exposed to, or provided with the adequate background to fully appreciate this form of art.
To my mind, ignorance is a state of mind to which one stubbornly and willingly subscribes. A simple lack of knowledge, of not being introduced to the information, is a different matter altogether.
Manohman, I bet it would be a joy to take you to a modern art museum for a day. I knew a lot of those guys, so I have behind the scenes stories…~hmmm~
111 segues
June 8th, 2010 at 5:30 pm
I thought we were supposed to stick to *real*people.
112 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
bluesman is correct
3 days ago you ragged on christianity, and you ended up with -33 thumbs for that one.
so theres no tellin how many people hit (-), since im quite sure i'm
not the only person who (+)'ed it.
113 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 6:17 pm
it means they like me more than either of you
astraya has most of it right
theyre not just addded up, they appear to be put through some abstract mathematical formula
in the comment below, missmith has +13, with only 3 comments, where as
bluesman and i and bucsmil and a few others have #s within 9 points of each other, where the number of comments is vastly different. i have like 259 or something and blue has about 75 less, and buc and oouchan have 75 less than that.
its still a mystery
but if you click on that number, it does break the colour down
grey is up to some number, at which it changes to yellow — gold — etc.,
red is not good.
i still dont understand how its calculated though
114 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 6:19 pm
loooved sliding doors.
yay
115 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 6:36 pm
rearrange
amadeus is probably better than the 3 you would like to see
and dark matter — youll either love it or hate it.
dont get me wrong — i'd say watch all 5 — forrester….pollack…tate…
damn…i was gonnamake some effort to tell you which to start with, but its basically a 5-way tie for 1st.
116 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 6:40 pm
good answer —
of course — as i was reading that michael clark duncan's 'green mile' character is what immediately poppen in my head.
but thx — makes sense
117 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 7:10 pm
hahahaha
good dreams indeed!
theres a chance this conversation could go one for a few days. several times, i have thought of something not yet mentioned. — unfortunately, more times than not, the idea will fly away from me before i know it.
–neverland was phenominal
–im not sure if proof was fiction or non — but i liked IT (gwennie paltrow/anthony hopkins film — not the russell crowe/hugo weaving one)
–hell, i liked capote
–mr hollands opus also came to mind
–a heartbreaking work of staggering genius. — im cheating — this book was made into a movie, although i do not believed it was released.
i liked my earlier suggestions better — i wil try again in a bit………..
118 psychosurfer
June 8th, 2010 at 7:26 pm
That would be awesome, in fact I just recently visited the Moma in NYC for the first time and it totally blew my mind away, I´ll contact you if i ever visit California again
119 oliveralbq
June 8th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
have you seen what the bleep?: down the rabbit hole?
i got into a discussion with this girl about your post,
she proceeded to tell me that her ex- had a copy of rabbit hole: the quantum edition — which i have heard of. 'what the bleep: down the rabbit hole' apparently has been released in several different forms.
note: i have only seen the what †he ßleep Do W∑ (K)¶ow , that you referred to. the quantum edition of 'down the rabbit hole' is 5 hours, and i am hard presssed to sit and do anything for five hours. even though the subject matter of quantum physics could lead to this kind of time consumption.
anyway–heres what did learn:
—- you dont necessarily have to watch the whole 5 hours, you can actually control the extent to which information is presented by telling the dvd player how far down the rabbit hole you want to go (via your dvd remote)
the prospect of this excites me, as i could have just been given the key to one of the best dvd special features in the history of time
since you have seen this, enjoy this and understand this, im sure if you didnt already know about this version, as i didn't, then you'd probably want to
and the first one to figure out exactly what my friend erika meant by "telling your remote not to go all he way down the rabbit hole" — first one shares the info with the other…. deal?
120 gabi319
June 8th, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Truth is, with enough paint, alcohol, and frustration, you could do equally "good" work? lmao, I doubt it. What talents do you have that you consider extraordinary?
Cooking the perfect burger?
With enough ground beef and spices, I could do equally "good" work.
Mixing the perfect cocktail?
With the right bottles of alcohol, I could do equally "good" work.
Writing an amazingly dramatic novel?
By shuffling around enough of my magnetic poetry on my fridge, I could do equally "good" work.
121 Bluelle
June 8th, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Where’s IRON MAN!?!
It only made a gazillion dollars at the box office.
122 ianz09
June 9th, 2010 at 9:43 am
"Truth is, with enough paint, alcohol, and frustration, you could do equally "good" work? lmao, I doubt it. What talents do you have that you consider extraordinary? "
I don't have talents I consider extraordinary. That is the point. I'm a decent writer when I want to be, but it is nothing that will make it to the best seller list. I'm very humble.
Your sarcasm is noted. However, it is irrelevant given that you seem to have missed my point: Pollock is A) Not an artist, B) A shitty artist, or C) Has a conviction in his voice that could sell dog piss to fire hydrants. Splatter painting, while pretty, takes little talent whatsoever. Hence, I could do the same. However, I probably couldn't sell it, and that is the way in which Pollock (or his wife) was a genius: Talking people into buying something a 3 year old could make on accident. And now, people worship his art and he is a world renowned artist and genius. I yawn at his work, and silently laugh at his admirers. And these people probably make fun of Scientologists for biting the hook of an obvious gimmick.
Knowing the ingredients and proportions of seasoning to make a perfect burger, takes talent and know-how.
Mixing a perfect cocktail in proper proportions, takes know-how.
Writing an amazing novel, takes talent.
Reeling back your hand and smothering a canvas in paint? I can do that. And I don't consider myself talented.
123 bluesman87
June 9th, 2010 at 10:01 am
i could drink paint and coch on a canvas and out do pollock , ppl just buying the name…..
124 bluesman87
June 9th, 2010 at 10:04 am
being so low is actually just as cool as being rated high….
125 astraya
June 9th, 2010 at 4:46 am
No. Mensa wouldn't have me because I only scored 97 and not 98. One night in Korea I was wandering around the net when I found the International High IQ Society. I did the test and effortlessly got a far higher score than the Mensa requirement.
I was a bit worried about the quality of the members of the site, though. One member gave his location as "Seoul, People's Democratic Republic of Korea". Maybe he knows something I don't.
Last night as I was browsing around I came across a reference to a society called "Densa", the requirement for which is an IQ in the bottom 98%.
126 astraya
June 9th, 2010 at 11:50 am
That's easy for you to say right now, Mr 58 points. At least I'm not the lowest – James (who I don't know) in on -87.
I was actually highly complimentary about Christianity. I basically said that modern civilisation was almost entirely due to it.
127 bluesman87
June 9th, 2010 at 5:12 am
ya but i wont be this high forever , one day im gna say something really dumb/lame /offesive or all the above just coz i wont be able to resist . Then ill be the lowest of the low…..like mexico's ass ball soccer team!
128 segues
June 9th, 2010 at 6:46 pm
Bluelle, Hollywood does not have genius. I don't care how much money their films make. That is the result of the poor taste of the audiences, not the genius of Hollywood.
All Hollywood is doing is turning comic books and old (very bad) television series into movies, and the audiences, who have nothing else to go see, go see them.
THAT is why Iron Man made a lot of money. Not because it was good, but because it was what was available.
129 ianz09
June 10th, 2010 at 4:46 am
The guy is a hack. He had humungous canvases that he usually had on his barn floor, and was up in his rafters doing the paintings. I took art history, don't worry about schooling me. Frankly, I don't care how many splatter patterns he studied. If I studied dog shit and then tried to sell dog shit, I would still be a dog shit salesman. Pollock's works are good to look at, but the exorbitant prices make me sick. And I think for my general lack of arrogance, I'm allowed a brief exception to use colorful language which is seemingly pretentious to drive a point home. I do not literally yawn, and have yet to laugh at Pollock fans. I was attempting to make my response slightly less boring. And you seem to be taking this very personal, and I'm tired of going back and forth with someone who has no chance of changing my opinion. And you are obviously strong in yours. So, cheerio.
130 oliveralbq
June 10th, 2010 at 5:02 am
their little logo cracks me up
d=umb (squared)
131 oliveralbq
June 10th, 2010 at 5:23 am
if you liked pi, youll probably like this.
other than the movie being out of focus for 45 min, i thought it was good. this cbspazz has a good point too — would have made a worthy replacement
shane carruth did a good job—-lead actor, casting director, producer, writer, sound producer/composer, editor and director —- fairly impressive (not to mention, that im sure i missed a few of his roles)…….
132 oliveralbq
June 9th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
yeah — you were complimentary — i was thinking of something else. *sorry* — if you look at today's list (the misunderstood cartoon animals) a reference was made where the same thing happened to jafe too –on his aux acct.
it appears that some of the relogious zealots (or anti-religious) think theyre going to hell if they dont molest their up/down buttons
133 oliveralbq
June 9th, 2010 at 10:41 pm
the dude that used to play with mighty john mayall and fleetwood mac?
no shit — they do need to do that — pre-crazy though — the lsd binging would make for at least a couple baller scenes.
sooo…
who plays him?
the older version of green anyway.
for the younger green you would really just need someone that looked like a 1975 porn actor — or one of the villiage people's look alikes —
134 bluesman87
June 10th, 2010 at 7:41 am
Chris Farley young green , Tommy Chong old green .
135 astraya
June 10th, 2010 at 11:34 am
"Anti-religious zealots thinking they're going to hell" is a bit of a contradiction in terms!
136 JLO
June 10th, 2010 at 2:32 pm
I think Tom Cruises's performance in Rainman was grossly underrated. Hoffman's performance grossly Overrated. After all, all he had to do was stay in the boundries of very limited emotional range. Cruise did all the work and transformed believably from con man to brother.
137 oliveralbq
June 11th, 2010 at 6:55 am
substitute the word mississippi for the word hell.
good point though
138 Seanithan
June 11th, 2010 at 7:45 am
This was a rather weak list dueto the inclusion of powder and the time machine. A better time travel film would be primer. Another two that could have made the list instead are virus and good will hunting.