Top 10 Worst US Presidents
Published on November 6, 2007 - 194 Comments
Here is a list to get the comments flowing! First of all, this list is not my personal opinion - it is compiled from the average score of each president over 12 surveys - taken between 1948 and 2005. Wikipedia has the complete historical rankings.
10. Calvin Coolidge 1923 - 1929
In 1919, three quarters of the Boston Police Force went on strike. Coolidge (then Governor of Massachusetts) had observed the situation throughout the conflict, but had not yet intervened. Furious that the mayor had called out state guard units, he finally acted. He called up more units of the National Guard, restored Police Commissioner Curtis to office, and took personal control of the police force. Curtis proclaimed that none of the strikers would be allowed back to their former jobs, and Coolidge issued calls for a new police force to be recruited. Many people criticized Coolidge as part of a general criticism of laissez-faire government. His reputation underwent a renaissance during the Reagan administration, but the ultimate assessment of his presidency is still divided between those who approve of his reduction of the size of government and those who believe the federal government should be more involved in regulating the economy.
9. Richard Nixon 1969 - 1974
In June, 1972, several of Nixon’s men were caught breaking into Democratic Party headquarters at the Watergate Hotel in Washington, DC - bringing to light the infamous Watergate Scandal. Nixon himself downplayed the scandal as mere politics, but when his aides resigned in disgrace, Nixon’s role in ordering an illegal cover-up came to light in the press, courts, and congressional investigations. Nixon owed back taxes, had accepted illicit campaign contributions, and had harassed opponents with executive agencies, wiretaps, and break-ins. In addition, he had ordered the secret bombing of Cambodia. Unlike the tape recordings by earlier Presidents, his secret recordings of White House conversations were revealed and subpoenaed and showed details of his complicity in the cover-up. Nixon was named by the grand jury investigating Watergate as “an unindicted co-conspirator” in the Watergate scandal. In light of his loss of political support and the near certainty of both his impeachment by the House of Representatives and his probable conviction by the Senate, he resigned on August 9, 1974, after addressing the nation on television the previous evening. He never admitted to criminal wrongdoing, although he later conceded errors of judgment.
8. Zachary Taylor 1849 - 1850
The slavery issue dominated Taylor’s short term. Although he owned slaves, he took a moderate stance on the territorial expansion of slavery, angering fellow Southerners. Taylor urged settlers in New Mexico and California to draft constitutions and apply for statehood, bypassing the territorial stage. New Mexico was too small to act but California — which had high population growth from the gold rush — wrote a constitution that did not allow slavery; the voters approved it and a new state government took over in December 1849 without Congressional approval. Southerners were furious with Taylor and with California. Taylor held a stormy conference with Southern leaders who threatened secession. He told them that if necessary to enforce the laws, he personally would lead the Army. Persons “taken in rebellion against the Union, he would hang … with less reluctance than he had hanged deserters and spies in Mexico.”
7. John Tyler 1841 - 1845
Tyler’s Presidency was rarely taken seriously in his time. Opponents usually referred him to as the “Acting President” or “His Accidency”. Tyler shocked Congressional Whigs by vetoing virtually the entire Whig agenda, twice vetoing Clay’s legislation for a national banking act following the Panic of 1837 and leaving the government deadlocked. Tyler was officially expelled from the Whig Party in 1841, a few months after taking office, and became known as “the man without a party.” In 1843, after he vetoed a tariff bill, the House of Representatives considered the first impeachment resolution against a president in American history. A committee headed by former president John Quincy Adams concluded that Tyler had misused the veto, but the impeachment resolution did not pass.
6. Millard Fillmore 1850 - 1853
Fillmore ascended to the presidency upon the sudden and unexpected death of President Taylor in July 1850. The change in leadership also signaled an abrupt political shift in the administration, as Fillmore removed Taylor’s entire cabinet, replacing them with individuals known to be favorable to the Compromise efforts. Fillmore signed into law the Fugitive Slave Act as a compromise between Southern slaveholding interests and Northern Free-Soilers. The act sought to force the authorities in free states to return fugitive slaves to their masters.
5. Ulysses S Grant 1869 - 1877
Grant achieved international fame as the leading Union general in the American Civil War. The first scandal to taint the Grant administration was Black Friday, a gold-speculation financial crisis in September 1869, set up by Wall Street manipulators Jay Gould and James Fisk. They tried to corner the gold market and tricked Grant into preventing his treasury secretary from stopping the fraud. The most famous scandal was the Whiskey Ring of 1875, exposed by Secretary of the Treasury Benjamin H. Bristow, in which over 3 million dollars in taxes were stolen from the federal government with the aid of high government officials. Although Grant himself did not profit from corruption among his subordinates, he did not take a firm stance against malefactors and failed to react strongly even after their guilt was established. Grant’s career is also marred by rumors of anti-Semitism due to his involvement with the infamous General Order Number 11.
4. Andrew Johnson 1865 - 1869
Johnson succeeding to the presidency upon the assassination of Abraham Lincoln. Johnson vetoed the first civil rights bill, stating that it gave “a perfect equality of the white and black races in every State of the Union.” In a letter to the governor of Missouri he wrote: “this is a country for white men, and by God, as long as I am President, it shall be a government for white men.” The Republicans in congress overrode his veto (the Senate by the vote of 33:15, the House by 182:41) and the Civil Rights bill became law. Johnson tried to remove Edward Stanton as Secretary of War directly violating the Tenure of Office Act which Johnson had vetoed. He was impeached (and is the first president to be so) but found innocent by only one vote.
3. Franklin Pierce 1853 - 1857
Two months before assuming his place as President, Pierce watched his son die in a train accident. He took office nervously exhausted. The most controversial event of Pierce’s presidency was the Kansas-Nebraska Act, which repealed the Missouri Compromise and reopened the question of slavery in the West. The Act also caused widespread outrage in the North and spurred the creation of the Republican Party, a sectional Northern party that was organized as a direct response to the bill. Pierce is ranked among the least effective Presidents as well as an indecisive politician who was easily influenced. He was unable to command as President or to provide the required national leadership. Pierce is the only elected president (as of 2007) not to be renominated by his party for a second term.
2. James Buchanan 1857 - 1861
In his inaugural speech, Buchanan stated that the slavery issue was of “little practical importance” because the Supreme Court was about to settle it. Two days later they announced the Dred Scott decision in which it ruled that people of African descent, whether or not they were slaves, could never be citizens of the United States, and that Congress had no authority to prohibit slavery in federal territories. Buchanan was widely believed to have been personally involved in the outcome of the case. Additionally, Buchanan’s administration was troubled by the Panic of 1857 - a sudden downturn in the US economy. Before Buchanan left office, seven slave states seceded, the Confederacy was formed, all arsenals and forts in the seceded states were lost (except Fort Sumter and two remote ones), and a fourth of all federal soldiers surrendered to Texas troops. Historians in 2006 voted his failure to deal with secession the worst presidential mistake ever made.
1. Warren G Harding 1921 - 1923
Harding’s term as president was beset with scandal - both personal and political. Albert B Fall, Harding’s Secretary of the Interior, became the first member of a presidential cabinet to go to jail for his role in the Teapot Dome affair. When Harding was elected, he raised many of his friends (known as the Ohio Gang) to prominent political positions. Some of these appointees used their power to rob the government. Harding is reputed to have said: “I have no trouble with my enemies, but my damn friends, my God-damned friends… they’re the ones that keep me walking the floor nights!”
Afterword
In the original list, William Harrison ranked 5th worst, but as his term was so short I do not think he can be fairly included. Additionally, James A Garfield ranked at number 9, but with the second shortest presidential term (6 months) I have also excluded him. As a result, Nixon, at number 11, moved in to 10th place, and Coolidge, at number 12, moves in at position 10.
As he is not on the list, I am sure you are all eager to know how the current President, George W Bush, fared. He ranked at number 21 worst, followed closely at 22nd worst by Bill Clinton. Jimmy Carter ranked at 14th worst.
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1. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 9:41 am
Tricky Dick might be the most disgraced dude of the lot. I miss his sweaty upper lip and his 5 O’clock shadow that appeared 15 minutes after he shaved. I hold him responsible for the much of the last 30 some years of governmental mistrust and cynicism.
That said, I’ll take his shenannigans over that ass-clown lying escape artist Bubba Clinton. His picture is in the dictionary under ‘douchebag.’
2. evan - November 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am
ooohhhhhhhhh boy, here we go again….lol
3. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 9:42 am
bucslim: wow - does that mean you approve of this list?
4. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 9:53 am
bucslim, to imply that Clinton was worse than Nixon is just…. well, it’s so over-the-top absurd as to be incapable of being taken as anything but a joke.
Aside: I guarantee that once he’s gone from office, we will find out just how terrible a president Dubya really was… we think we know now, but in time the damage he’s done will haunt us to the extent that he could conceivably advance to near the top of the class of miserable and awful failures.
5. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 9:57 am
Well, yeah.
I mean, you’re not from here but it looks like you did your homework. Liberal/Conservative politics will come into play, but these guys are dead, so why not piss on their graves?
Everybody’s going to have a beef with Bush and say he’s an idiot, but you’ve got to admit it’s been a pretty brutal time to be President, right?
My high school history teacher told me Grant and Harding had the most corrupt administrations ever. I think I heard that between naps.
6. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 10:01 am
Sorry randall, not gonna get into it. You won’t change my mind and I won’t change yours.
I didn’t say he was worse, I said I would take him over the biggest and horniest liar of the 20th century and his Nobel Peace Prize winning VP who invented the internet.
7. Cat Skyfire - November 6th, 2007 at 10:02 am
An excellent list and with good details.
I’m a historian by schooling and nature, and I take the view that you can’t truly examine a presidency until 50 years after he’s out of office, and to truly see things may be closer to 100 years.
50 years gives time for people who didn’t live under it time to examine the facts without emotional bias. And it gives time for the results of events, actions, and inactions to show.
However much one may loathe Bush, or may have hated Reagan, or couldn’t stand Clinton, it is telling that so many on the list are there because of their actions as would relate to the civil war. As many may die in Iraq, the shattering of the US was far more bloody and the damage held for over a hundred years. (And some would argue, there is still repercussions).
Even now, historians are starting to look at FDR’s presidency with eyes that are fresh. Same with Kennedy. Who knows what how such a list will change in the future.
8. Mathilda - November 6th, 2007 at 10:09 am
You really like to stir up the hornet’s nest, don’t you?
I’m staying out of this one because I don’t feel like “debating” with ill-informed people of all types who will soon begin arguing whether Bill Clinton or George W. Bush is Satan incarnate, based solely on what they have heard on talk radio or read on anonymous internet blogs.
Having said that, I wonder what would really be the most accurate method of determining who was the best or worst president. While one would think that polling people who had lived through that presidency would be a reasonable method, I’m not sure that it really is. For one thing, I’ve noticed a tendency among some people to believe that their lives were much better or worse under a past president than they felt at that time, depending upon whether that president was of their party or not. Also, while a president might appear to be very good while they are in office, it might happen that as the years go by it emerges that they were up to all sorts of unpleasant secret activities with horrible repercussions for the future. I wonder if it even is possible to rate presidents fairly until years after they are out of office.
9. Sarah - November 6th, 2007 at 10:24 am
Mathilda: I completely agree, you said it all.
10. Sarah - November 6th, 2007 at 10:30 am
bucslim: Thanks, a couple of my brain cells committed suicide after I read your comments.
11. Kelsi - November 6th, 2007 at 10:33 am
Are we going to see at Top 10 Best US Presidents as well? This list was rather depressing…
12. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 10:39 am
Kelsi: I will think about it
13. Ryan - November 6th, 2007 at 10:39 am
I would have expected Nixon to be higher on the list. He undoubtedly created the biggest worldwide embarrassment the United States has ever seen. Unearthing the corruption in high-level government in the country that even at that stage saw it’s place as a police force for democracy created quite a strong opposition to the US, particularly in Central America.
14. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 10:43 am
Sarah - my musings have been compared to drinking a fine single malt scotch, sure it’s great, but a few brain cells have to be sacrificed.
15. Juggz - November 6th, 2007 at 10:53 am
cant wait to read this comment thread, might be better then the list
16. evan - November 6th, 2007 at 11:03 am
i think this ones going to sputter out, we’ve already had 2 or 3 different threads going with bush bashing going on. I think both sides are probably tired of it.
17. rp - November 6th, 2007 at 11:04 am
I’m shocked that Grant and Bush aren’t there. A few months from now when the dollar is no longer worth the paper its printed on, methinks this list will be updated.
18. evan - November 6th, 2007 at 11:05 am
guess not…lol
19. rp - November 6th, 2007 at 11:09 am
oops. I missed Grant there.
nevermind
20. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 11:10 am
bucslim:
I have no desire to argue about this either. I wasn’t the biggest fan of Clinton, and have no interest in defending him… but to call him the “biggest liar of the 20th century” is of course ridiculous hyperbole.
Mathilda: I’ll resist firing off at you for your backhanded comments, but I assure you I’m far from “ill informed” (in fact, I’m a fervent amateur historian and have quite the quality college education behind me, thank you) and I do not read online political blogs, nor do I listen to talk radio. I don’t believe either Bill Clinton or George W. Bush is “Satan incarnate”–though I certainly believe that Bush will prove, with posterity’s eye on him, to be one of the worst presidents we’ve ever suffered under. Surely in the top 5, at least.
21. Late O’Day - November 6th, 2007 at 11:11 am
bucslim The fact that you slipped in a phoney boorish partisan comment like “Al Gore inventing the Internet” demonstrates that your opinion on both politics and the Internet are pretty much worthless.
Nothing to see here folks. Move along.
22. John Baughn - November 6th, 2007 at 11:13 am
Sorry, but a list like this without Jimmy Carter? That is amazing. Even modern Democrats are embarassed by him. His citicisms in recent years of the US while on foreign soil is beyond the dignity of any former official. The Tahran hostage debacle and the botched rescue attempt; sale of the Panama Canal; devaluing of US gold Standard; and does anyone remember the misery index with double-digit inflation and 22% percent interest rates? Need I go on?
23. Carl - November 6th, 2007 at 11:14 am
As an English man reading this list i am bemused as to why the Retarded Twit you guys now call President is absent! Clinton Rocks bye the way!
Reagan was stupid, but at least he knew it…
Bush has the ordacity to think he’s smart! I now feel hypocritical as every Priminister sice Maggie has been a complete numpty also.
24. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 11:16 am
John Baughn: with the two I removed due to short terms, Carter would rank 12 on this list (he is 14 on the original) - so he was very close to making it.
25. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 11:17 am
Carl: he isn’t on this one because I am saving him for the Top 10 Best US Presidents…
26. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 11:38 am
Late - I wasn’t being phoney, boorish or partisan, I was quoting. If my opinion is so worthless, why are you posting something on it?
Randall - hyperbole aside, I’m still going to think what I think and we’ll still disagree. I didn’t call him the biggest liar of the 20th century, I called him the biggest, HORNIEST liar of the 20th century.
27. RobS - November 6th, 2007 at 11:40 am
Notice how many of these guys are clustered right around the middle of the 19th century?
How depressing would that have been? I wonder what voter turnout was like in those years?
And the consumption of alcohol.
28. JT - November 6th, 2007 at 11:40 am
“Bush has the ordacity to think he’s smart!”
Irony levels: critical
29. rp - November 6th, 2007 at 11:44 am
JT: that reminds me of this -
http://www.neatorama.com/image.....morans.jpg
30. Monkey - November 6th, 2007 at 11:56 am
Bucslim- LOL @ “That said, I’ll take his shenannigans over that ass-clown lying escape artist Bubba Clinton. His picture is in the dictionary under ‘douchebag.’” I actually like Bill Clinton a lot, but that was just funny.
I was VERY surprised that George W. wasn’t on the list. I was expecting him to be #1.
31. rp - November 6th, 2007 at 11:59 am
I love how that wikipedia list has broken down the rankings. Libertarians had FDR at 35 and Lincoln dead freaking last.
32. Juggz - November 6th, 2007 at 12:01 pm
Round 10, FIGHT!
33. Daniel - November 6th, 2007 at 12:10 pm
bucslim: you are not quoting, you are misquoting. Al Gore said he led the initiative to create the internet. Create and invent are two different things. What Al Gore was claiming credit for was his work in congress to get laws passed that funded the research that became what we now know as the internet as well as promoting the importance of the internet throughout his political career (so that in turn it could be used to spread the lie that he claims to have invented the internet). While no fan of Al Gore, George W. Bush, the democrats, the republicans, or anyone who aspires to high political office (if you want it, you probably shouldn’t get it) I am offended by people who can’t be bothered to get the facts right.
34. deedee0323 - November 6th, 2007 at 12:14 pm
Andrew Jackson always seems to pop into my head. The whole Indian Removal Act made him seem like such a despicable person despite him being an effective president in other aspects.
35. GB2626 - November 6th, 2007 at 12:22 pm
How in the H is Jimmy Carter not on here!!!! You know you did a crappy job when most people refer to you as “The Failed former President.” Although you have to give him an A+ on lobbying to get himself the Nobel Peace Price.
36. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 12:26 pm
GB2626: Carter made the top 10 most controversial nobel prize winners
37. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 12:39 pm
Daniel - sorry, I’m trying to get some work done and I keep hopping back and forth between this site and my job. I apologize for not getting it right.
“During my service in the United States Congress I took the initiative in creating the Internet.” - Al Gore
So there’s your quote.
Monkey - you sound like an intelligent person.
38. Alamo - November 6th, 2007 at 1:01 pm
First time commenter. I have to agree with GB2626. What sets Carter apart is that he had NO successes, and was regarded by the American public as a failure the day he left office. Since he left in disgrace, history has only confirmed his short-sightedness, lack of leadership, and deplorable gullibilty when dealing with tyrants and terrorists.
Old fashioned 19th century corruption may have been bad, but Jimmy Carter did more to push a superpower to the precipice of irrelevance than any tinhorn corruption monkey.
39. StewWriter - November 6th, 2007 at 1:22 pm
Hi.
*Sits back-Shakes head with a sigh-sips coffee*
How’s it going in here?
40. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 1:27 pm
Pretty good Stew! This is all funny and stuff, but it’s nothing compared to what’s going on in the Beatles posts. Check it out, but be warned, it takes about a half hour to read.
Unless you throw up half way through.
41. Late O’Day - November 6th, 2007 at 1:33 pm
bucslim Someone who spouts a misconception can be forgiven as merely being ignorant on an issue, but your conscious and willful distortion just for the sake of scoring a phony debating point is especially pathetic. It’s the sort of lie a four-year-old doggedly resorts to when caught with his hand in the cookie jar. Maybe English is not your native language. The verb phrase is “took the initiative” … which is exactly what Gore did; he helped craft legislation, secured financing, and had an active hand in designing the infrastructure. (Or, do you think Eisenhower, who took the initiative in crafting the Interstate system was out there with a trawl laying asphalt?) Now, you can believe Rush Limbaugh or you can believe Vinton Cerf — the father of TCP/IP (who could certainly be called the father of the Internet), who has come down publicly on the side of Gore. But you won’t; we all know that cranks and trolls never give up their favorite squawking points just because facts get in the way.
42. Alamo - November 6th, 2007 at 1:38 pm
LOD-
Well that’s a democratic politician for you; support a bill, spend other people’s money, then crow about what “you” have accomplished.
Personally I was much more impressed that Al and Tipper were the inspiration fo “Love Story”.
43. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Late - What happened to my opinon being worthless?
And you didn’t take your own advice and just move along.
44. Mathilda - November 6th, 2007 at 1:44 pm
Randall - Sorry, I didn’t mean to insult those people who are capable of rational, well-informed debate. I just meant that I feared that the calm sane voices would soon be drowned out by the screams of troll-like types of all persuasions. (BTW, I agree with your last comment but I would have felt that you sounded quite reasonable even without it.)
45. dalandzadgad - November 6th, 2007 at 2:03 pm
…disappointed to see the absence of bush on this list. we don’t need history to tell us how bad this man was…
46. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 2:04 pm
Thanks Mathilda… you’re truly a person of grace and reason.
bucslim: “unless you throw up halfway through”?! Are you saying my delicate prose and persuasive arguments are puke-making?
47. bucslim - November 6th, 2007 at 2:10 pm
Randall, just havin fun stirring the pot. I nearly toss when I read some of the stuff I write half the time.
48. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 2:13 pm
Having been alive during the presidencies of Johnson, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan, and so on… I can attest to the truth in regards to the depressing miasma of the Ford/Carter years. Odd that it’s probably been ages since we had such two very nice, decent, all-around good men in the White House, and that both of them left a stink of failure behind. Odd, that.
But I believe in the Peter Principle, firmly. Some people do rise to their level of incompetence. Richard Nixon did when he attained the White House. (George W. Bush did when he graduated Philips Academy, I imagine). Ford had the White House thrust upon him, so hardly fair to level it against him. But Jimmy Carter—there’s a man that (I have no memory or knowledge of his stewardship over Georgia, but assume he was a decent governor) apparently made a decent peanut farmer… he might have been a very good secretary of state or an ambassador, or a secretary of the interior… but president? No. He lacked the leadership skills to fill the job. But it could be argued that the country turned to him in desperation, wanting to get as far from the memory of Nixon as it could. This is how I recall the times, anyway.
I really view Ford and Carter as sad figures, really. They seemed like such nice men, but it seemed as though the Seventies were going to doom any man who entered the White House. I wouldn’t go so far as to call them “tragic”… perhaps Nixon is “tragic”… one could make a good argument for that—a man brought down by his own failings and incapability of recognizing them… but there’s a sadness I feel when I remember Ford and Carter.
From Reagan on, the sadness turns into cynicism and disgust. (And I was a Young Republican in the day, a supporter of Ronald Reagan… how one changes in one’s life…)
49. James Frazer - November 6th, 2007 at 2:34 pm
And where the hell is the current president?
50. Jeremy - November 6th, 2007 at 2:35 pm
Thank you for not including George Bush
51. Alamo - November 6th, 2007 at 2:37 pm
Randall;
Although your post is thoughtful and well written, I must take exception with several points. Nixon’s failings were not due to incompetence but to deeply seated character flaws. Feelings of inadequacy, unbridled suspicion, and raging paranoia. He is rightfully considered one of our most intellectually gifted presidents, was an excellent statesman, and a talented administrator. He allowed his psychological demons to prevail over his judgment resulting in criminal behavior.
Carter was most certainly incompetent, and on every level. The most dangerous of his failings was he almost precious naivete when crafting and implementing foriegn policy. Certainly his flaccid domestic leadership was commiserable, but on the international arena he actually endangered the country.
I like you was prone to feel a certain sadness for Carter initially, but his pathetic and stubborn refusal to recognize his manifest failure, and his penchant for criticizing later presidents in an attempt to achieve some relevance have changed my regard for him to complete contempt.
Ford: Agreed.
52. Gravy - November 6th, 2007 at 2:41 pm
I dont really care about politics.
53. Loose Cannon - November 6th, 2007 at 2:45 pm
I’ll nominate George W. Bush.
I’d pretty much have to agree that he’ll go down as one of the worst Presidents in our history, perhaps only surpassed by Jimmy Carter and LBJ. At the very least he burned through the ‘good will’ we received from the tragedy of 9/11 and brought the financial burden of yet another needless war to bear on our and our childrens’ shoulders. I believe our intelligence agencies misled us through two Presidential administrations, but the burden of failure is always on the Commander-in-Chief because he ultimately makes the decisions based on that intelligence.
Nixon wasn’t a complete failure, if simply for his diplomacy in China.
BTW, I don’t believe the Teapot Dome scandal could be any worse then pardoning of Mel Reynolds or Marc Rich by Clinton, not to mention the pardons of Almon Braswell and Carlos Vignali, paid for with money from Clinton’s brother-in-law, Hugh Rodham. On the other hand, I wouldn’t put him in the top 10 worst list because of his signing of the Welfare Reform bill, the decision to leave the economy pretty much alone albiet with small tax raises, and the universal general good will we sincerely felt worldwide.
54. Jeff Yoders - November 6th, 2007 at 2:52 pm
I’m curious where Woodrow Wilson ranks in the list. History has shown that Wilson waited far too long to allow the US to enter World War I and protect American interests. American lives and thousands more Allied European lives were lost because of his timidity. No less an authority than Theodore Roosevelt, who has to rank highly in any best Presidents list and whose visage is on Mount Rushmore, said so at the time in his column in the “Kansas City Star.”
Wilson was also an unashamed racist whose administration rolled back the civil rights advances of the Roosevelt and Taft administrations.
Most damningly, though, Roosevelt’s failure of leadership in what was supposed to be the centerpiece of his legacy, the League of Nations, has got to make him at least close to, if not in, the bottom 10.
The League of Nations was a failure from the get go and its collapse helped precipitate the rise of Hitler. The treaties that were forced on the Kaiser’s Germany after World War I were ridiculously punitive and they only fed the nationalism that led to the rise of Nazism. Wilson was a principle writer of those treaties and they held no real vision for the rebuilding of the nation and did not ban the military resurrection that ensued in the next 20 years.
It can be argued that the failure of the league of nations, and the US’s refusal to participate in it, doomed its successor, the United Nations, to the debatable revelance it has today. A strong league of nations with the political and industrial power of the United States supporting it is now little more than a pipe dream because of the failure of its predecessor.
How about it? Where does Woodrow Wilson rank?
p.s. Marc Andreessen, not Cerf, is true father of the internet and he’s gone on record saying he does NOT agree that Al Gore was right to say what he did.
55. jfrater - November 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Jeff Yoders: Wilson ranked at 6th best. Keep in mind that war presidents always rank high. Theodore Roosevelt ranks 5th best.
56. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 2:56 pm
Alamo:
Nice post, and good points… but let me clarify something… I was phrasing what I said in regards to how these men fulfilled the so-called “Peter Principle.” I guess I should have been clearer in that I DO think Carter “rose to his level of incompetence” by becoming President. I suppose I let my pity for the man lead me astray there. Your points are well taken however, and history will no doubt be tougher on Carter (deservedly so) than I’ve been here.
Would that we had a president, however, in that era, who could have truly been a great leader AND done the right things. We supported brutal dictatorships throughout the world, all in the name of the Cold War… and that legacy is still pestering us, and still besmirches our good name. Bush today is making it much worse, but the abandoment of our democratic values, in regards to our foreign policy, began long before him. I know there was some necessity to it at the time… or so it may seem from this vantage point… but nevertheless I think a great and good statesman could have overcome the moral ambiguities of it. Sadly, we have been lacking in great statesmen in the last few decades of our history.
As for Nixon, I think we’re just using different terms to state the same thing. Nixon had the talent and intellect to be good at what he did, had his ambitions only carried him so far… as a secretary of state perhaps, or what have you. In attaining the presidency, however, the failings that were inside of him, that you listed, led to his downfall.
57. Late O’Day - November 6th, 2007 at 3:11 pm
Jeff Yoders p.s. Marc Andreessen, not Cerf, is true father of the internet and he’s gone on record saying he does NOT agree that Al Gore was right to say what he did.
Umm … do you even know who the players are? Cern and Kahn were prepping TCP/IP when Andreessen was still in diapers. Andreessen would go on to work on the Mosaic browser AFTER Gore got the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991 passed.
And here’s a nifty quote from Andreessen:
“He [Gore] had people buying into the concept of the information superhighway before anybody had an idea about what it would be,” says Andreessen, who profited from the traffic by creating one of the most successful on-ramps, Netscape Communications.
Andreessen returned the favor during the campaign, stumping for Gore and sending all but $1,000 of his $404,000 in donations to the Democrats. Last October, Andreessen and more than 400 other high-tech business leaders endorsed Gore, who promised to create 10 million new high-tech jobs over the next decade. … “
58. Meathead - November 6th, 2007 at 4:31 pm
Kennedy is suspicially absent from this list. What is up wit that?
59. Randall - November 6th, 2007 at 4:38 pm
Kennedy is an overrated president and figure in our history… but hardly deserving of being named one of the worst presidents.
60. Anon` - November 6th, 2007 at 5:07 pm
Wow, this is so obviously BS. Let’s leave out the man who marched the Indians to death (Jackson) and rank Clinton, who was hobbled by a Republican Congress, behind a president who did not a single thing right even with the full power of each branch of government.
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61. dvhann - November 6th, 2007 at 5:10 pm
i still think its interesting that baby Bush isn’t on here, good list anyways jfrater! You should do a top ten list of the worst world leaders.. but that might also leak into the top 10 world’s most evil men.
62. Billy C - November 6th, 2007 at 5:33 pm
Go fuck yourself carl you dickbrained moron.
63. Jack11 - November 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
I find it amusing how much hatred there is for Bush. I don’t believe he is the worst president. Most unpopular? Maybe.
And if jfrater did a Top 10 Mentally Deficient Presidents list, I would fully expect George W. Bush to be number one. George Bush senior should be on that list as well.
As for the Bill Clinton attacks going on. Well, what he did wasn’t right, but it certainly doesn’t make him a bad president. I am conservative (though i am fairly moderate and am thoroughly annoyed with far right people), but even I don’t hate Clinton. He wasn’t a bad President, the whole scandal with Monica was blown way out of proportion. An affair isn’t a good thing, and it was certainly newsworthy, but it’s no basis for impeachment.
Besides, what would you do if you were married to Hillary?
64. jimmyd - November 6th, 2007 at 5:45 pm
hey, LBJ has to be on the list, he escalated the war in vietnam, and expanded the government into every facet of our lives, including making african-americans a permanent underclass. no other president has ruined more lives then old LBJ. bush would have to be president for 40 more years to do that kind of damage.
65. D Holmes - November 6th, 2007 at 5:47 pm
Billy C:
Now now, Billy, such heated words could make you look just as ignorant as the person you are attacking.
66. Jack11 - November 6th, 2007 at 6:03 pm
D Holmes:
Too late, he looks more ignorant.
67. Matt - November 6th, 2007 at 7:18 pm
How could you have missed Carter?
68. Taxidiotis - November 6th, 2007 at 8:22 pm
Where’s Bush? [slow smile]
You are a monkey…look it up; when you find its explanation and look further into this primate’s denotation you’ll find yourself looking into the mirror.
And another thing: STOP PLAGIARIZING MATERIAL; or at least summarize your context properly and GIVE EXPLICIT REFERENCE of sources you exploit that make up your site’s content.
69. Taxidiotis - November 6th, 2007 at 8:46 pm
@ Cat Skyfire :
You’re a simian too! Just imagine: having to wait fifty years before commenting on the status quo! It is no wonder kids this day and age are being deprived of a sound education. It’s morons like you who make this happen…
So, SkyFire, won’t you go do us all a favor and find something better to do with your life, JACKASS…
70. Amanda - November 6th, 2007 at 8:51 pm
To lighten the mood-
Oh we are the mediocre presidents
You won’t find our faces
On dollars or on cents
There’s Taylor, there’s Tyler
There’s Fillmore and there’s Hays
There’s William Henry Harrison
“I died in 30 days!”
We are the adequate, forgettable,
occasionally regrettable
caretaker presidents of the U.S.A!
I can’t believe I remembered all of that song. I am such a nerd.
71. legacy accomplished - November 6th, 2007 at 9:50 pm
The worst president ever is missing from this list. Or does it only apply to those that have left the office?
72. Brian Moo - November 6th, 2007 at 11:46 pm
Interestingly, Grant is on the Fifty Dollar Bill.
73. jfrater - November 7th, 2007 at 12:13 am
Amanda - I love it!
74. AnotherPerson - November 7th, 2007 at 9:33 am
Where is Wilson? Nobody believes that the man who used guile and lies to institute the privately owned (for profit) Federal Reserve Bank was bad? The man who signed the 16th ammendment and gave us personal income taxes (which is against the Constitution)?
The man who _admitted_ publicly to ruining our nation and putting the control of the USA in the hands of a small group of international bankers is not on the list?
I guess we all love having someone create our money out of nothing and then loan the use of it as currency to us at interest. I guess we all love paying personal income taxes.
75. evan - November 7th, 2007 at 9:40 am
anotherperson, vote for Ron Paul, he wants to undo all that
and abolish the IRS 
76. rp - November 7th, 2007 at 10:00 am
He wants to undo the Fed? [sarcasm]Who will continue to bail out Goldman Sachs and Countrywide, then?[/sarcasm]
If Hell freezes over and Ron Paul somehow gets elected, it will become the shortest term in history. He will be assassinated before he can give his acceptance speech.
77. Randall - November 7th, 2007 at 10:00 am
I’m confused… what are the people who made comments #62, 65, 66, 68 and 69 talking about? Who are they talking TO? Did some door open up to another discussion site somewhere?
78. Hobolad - November 7th, 2007 at 10:06 am
Interesting list! Does anyone know who were the ones filling out the surverys though? As in, how much bias and such?
Just out of interest.
In fact, I’ll go have a look for myself.
79. rp - November 7th, 2007 at 10:19 am
from the wiki article:
[Another presidential poll was conducted by The Wall Street Journal in 2005, with James Lindgren of Northwestern University Law School for the Federalist Society. As in the 2000 survey, the editors sought to balance the opinions of liberals and conservatives, adjusting the results “to give Democratic- and Republican-leaning scholars equal weight.” Franklin D. Roosevelt still ranked in the top-three, but editor James Taranto noted that Democratic-leaning scholars rated George W. Bush the sixth-worst president of all time, while Republican scholars rated him the sixth-best, giving President George W. Bush a split-decision rating of “average”.]
For those wondering why Dumbya wasn’t listed, that pretty much explains it.
80. Hobolad - November 7th, 2007 at 10:24 am
It says “scholars”. As in middle/upper class?
Still an interesting list. Thanks for the info rp!
81. evan - November 7th, 2007 at 10:31 am
Rp, yes he wants to get rid of the fed, as well as income tax.
and wow, i wonder if they re-polled those same scholars where Bush would be now? certainly not the 6th best even in the repubs minds.
82. Loose Cannon - November 7th, 2007 at 10:46 am
Hobolad - It says “scholars”. As in middle/upper class?
No, as in ‘most intelligent, most successful, most productive.’
83. rp - November 7th, 2007 at 10:48 am
evan, he’d have to be lower now. In fact, rather than defend him, wouldn’t it benefit Republicans far more to criticize and distance themselves from such a complete failure? His term has been so disgraceful that it is a given that the next president will be a democrat, and a controversial left-leaning female democrat at that. It’s a bit similar to the damage that Jimmy Carter’s administration did to the Democratic party.
84. Tiffany - November 7th, 2007 at 10:49 am
Randall, your comments are brilliant. I often felt that the public hasn’t been fair with their opinions on Ford and Carter. I always thought that they were probably the first GOOD men to enter the White House yet they weren’t very good presidents. I wish more people would take the time and look at the big picture. Ford and Carter had the potential to be great presidents, but they came too late.
85. Randall - November 7th, 2007 at 11:42 am
Thanks Tiffany… I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say Carter had the potential to be a great president… as you can see in one of my posts above, I really don’t think he belonged in the job… but he could have done great things if he’d served *under* the right president in some capacity—as a secretary of state or some such thing.
But “good men” they definitely were, Carter and Ford.
On the other hand, we all ought to remember something–we often condemn this or that person who attains higher office for having certain failings. It seems to never occur to us what *kind* of a person it must take to have not just the gall to run for such an office, but to actually attain that kind of power and exercise it. It’s no surprise that many of these men have been what we’d call “assholes,” for lack of a better word… arrogant, at times, strong-willed, self-serving… simply imagine the force of personality it must take to just BE president of the United States. Surely very few successful career politicians make it as far as they do without having a certain degree of “asshole-ness” in their characters. We can have little doubt that Franklin Roosevelt, Harry Truman, Eisenhower, and Jack Kennedy were “good” and “nice” men (in a different sense from Carter and Ford, perhaps) and yet when you examine them, there’s also no doubt that each of them was… a bit of an asshole, to one extent or another. Surely Kennedy was. And Eisenhower–he was a general for god’s sake–a born asshole. And surely Lyndon Johnson had that trait in spades, as did Richard Nixon. Reagan was at times quite the asshole, and George Bush (the father) while trying to hide it in himself, clearly was one. And we can all agree Bill Clinton, while many things, was also quite clearly a major asshole.
This is not to say that these men were not also decent enough statesmen (though few of them reached greatness). They were. Nor is it to say that they didn’t accomplish good and even great things. They did. Nor do I believe that “leadership” requires of a man that he be an asshole. Rather, it seems that it just takes an asshole to GET to that high level of power, oftentimes. Perhaps not always… but often. (We’re too far removed in history from men like Lincoln to know if *he* was an asshole… maybe he was at times. I prefer to think that Geo. Washington was unsullied by the charge, though).
Perhaps the trouble with George W. Bush is, he is JUST an asshole; the man appears to have no other outstanding character traits. I don’t speak in a partisan sense here; I’ve been on both sides of the political fence in my life, and my life began under the Johnson administration, so I’ve seen my share of presidents. I have personally never felt such unrestrained loathing for a president of my country… I’ve never seen anything even remotely redeeming in the man’s public face. Maybe America likes a bit of asshole in its presidents, and maybe this explains why we got stuck with Bush instead of Gore in 2000. Bush seems to wear his “I Am An Asshole” character out on his chest like a badge; Gore’s little devil is buried, covered up. Indeed, Gore might have been one of the nicer men we’ve had in office in generations, had he made it. Not that I think he’s *devoid* of asshole-ness… but it certainly seems to be a very minor aspect of his persona.
But come 2008 we will probably be stuck, again, with either another big asshole (Guiliani?) or the female version, the Gigantic Bitch (Hillary).
86. speeedracer - November 7th, 2007 at 12:52 pm
um,…what. how the hell did andrew jackson not make the list? trail of tears? indian removal act? illegal seizure of native american land? the man was an arrogant bigot who gave government positions as rewards to friends. kitchen cabinet? petticoat affair?
87. Hobolad - November 7th, 2007 at 12:56 pm
“No, as in ‘most intelligent, most successful, most productive.’”
Scholars to me sounds like University graduates, people in top jobs. Success =/= intelligence.
If this was done with a representative sample of people, from all walks of life, then it would be more, I guess accurate, but as it is it’s interesting and helped waste a few minutes so I’ve no problem with it!
88. Rick - November 7th, 2007 at 10:34 pm
I almost felt sorry that such an otherwise competent prosecuter, Bob Barr, allowed emotion to get the better of him when he only had two points to prove. 1.Bill Clinton lied to cover up a crime. The Lewinsky affair was relevant because he used the same M.O. with her that he used with Paula Jones. “Do you wanna kiss it?” 2.Bill Clinton knew that the evidence was admissable because he used his own pen to sign the Bill allowing evidence of other sexual harrassment conduct to be admissable to the type of case that he was defending. The conspiracy that he orchestrated to cover up his obstruction was another case altogether.
89. Steve - November 7th, 2007 at 10:44 pm
For all the complaining about Bush, it seems pretty clear that hatred for Carter is downright pathological in some people. Apparently not only is he responsible for the Iranians engaging in an open act of war, he’s also directly responsible for the fact that the Pentagon couldn’t figure out that a sand-covered desert is not Vietnam. After waiting a suitable time, and having set things up to catch Khomeini and his goons flat-footed, Carter ordered a secret strike and rescue mission. What else do you guys think should have done? Install sand-filters on the Huey air intakes himself?
There’s a difference between bad and bad luck. Carter certainly wasn’t the best, but you guys have absolutely no clue just how horrible and corrupt most 19th century Presidents were.
90. alisa - November 8th, 2007 at 9:22 am
Hmm…I really thought George Bush..the second..would be on here.
91. evan - November 8th, 2007 at 9:37 am
Alisa did you read the afterword part of the list?
92. john - November 8th, 2007 at 9:57 am
GW Bush should be at the Top.
93. RYAN - November 8th, 2007 at 10:25 am
GEORGE BUSH???!?!??! WAR CRIMINAL.
94. dexter - November 8th, 2007 at 10:58 am
What about Andrew Jackson? He wanted to wipe out all the Native Americans! He gave them blankets laced with small pox. I think genocide would at least get you on the list! And thats just one of the worst things he did!
95. Ace531 - November 8th, 2007 at 6:20 pm
I’m very surprised that one of the worst president we ever had isn’t on the list, namely Abraham Lincoln. So many people want to sing his praises because of the strides he made against slavery while ignoring the fact that slavery was a side issue that he only took up to weaken the south during the Civil War. The Civil War was not about freeing the slaves, it was about the south wanting to split from the Union and creating a seperate country. Slaver didn’t enter into it until Lincoln announced the emancipation proclomation in an attempt to economically cripple the south. Beyond that, during the Civil War Lincoln commited so many acts of civil rights violations and crimes that he should have been impeached on the spot. Jailing people without informing them of their crimes or formally charging them, then holding them without trial for indefinate periods of time, not to mention spending money without congressional authorization are just a few of the crimes he commited. But we look at him and say “He freed the slaves, what a great president.” One act of good does not a good president make.
Although it runs counter to how many people feel, I look beyond things like petty criminal behavior (name me one elected official that doesn’t lie or use their power in ways that would be criminal for ordinary people) and look more at how much good or evil their presence has done for the country. On this note the worst presidents in history are George Bush Senior and Abraham Lincoln (his crimes go beyond the petty crimes of most politicians) and the best are Nixon and Clinton. I do not mention Bush Jr because he is not the president. A president is elected while Bush is a dictator who used illegal means to worm his way into the white house (Hello, the only state in country where the vote was disputed just happens to be the one where his brother is govener, thousands of black voter in that state that largely would have voted for Gore were disenfranchised becuase of errors made by a company hired to process their voter registration that was hired by Jeb Bush, and that the final ballot count was hindered by the Florida secretary of state who just happened to be Bush’s campaign manager)
96. Mathilda - November 8th, 2007 at 6:51 pm
Ace531 - I am always surprised by how many people do not know that the Emancipation Proclamation did not free the slaves in the Union states of Maryland, Delaware, Kentucky, Missouri and what is now West Virginia; nor did it free the slaves in parts of the Confederacy that were already under Union control. That, to me, is the utmost hypocrisy - slavery is wrong so we’ll say that your slaves are now free but not our own! I’m not a huge fan of Lincoln myself; I feel that he gets credit for keeping the country together when if he had not been elected President secession might have been avoided to begin with.
97. Brian Moo - November 8th, 2007 at 7:29 pm
Abe Lincoln bashing eh? Interestingly, he is constantly ranked alongside the likes of George Washington and FDR as one of the greatest presidents of the United States.
The three of them are also in Civilization 4 as playable leaders.
I looking through the internet a while back (as always) and came across a book called The Real Lincoln. Give it a check.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Real_Lincoln
Suddenly I just thought of an interesting ideas for a list: Top 10 What if Scenarios.
98. Yarr - November 8th, 2007 at 8:03 pm
Actually, the Emancipation Proclamation didn’t free ANY slaves…
The Confederate States at that time was an independent country— with a constitution, a government, currency, and a standing (and fighting) army.
Lincoln made a statement to rally support for an increasingly unpopular war. It was all pomp and circumstance. Though Lincoln didn’t legally recognize the CSA, that does not take away from the fact that the CSA, until its ultimate defeat, was not beholden to the laws of the US.
(History buff here. Not an opinion, just is what it is…)
99. XayTay - November 8th, 2007 at 8:15 pm
I am impressed with the list. Its nice to see the rankings were done based on the mistakes made by each of the presidents rather than the personal sentiment of the creator of the list.
I do not think, though, any president we’ve had deserves merit. What we may consider the age old presidents from America’s infancy do not strike me as “the best” considering the struggle for freedom in American only included white people.
100. D Holmes - November 8th, 2007 at 8:41 pm
XayTay: Well considering the odds many presidents had stacked against, some of them should be applauded. Someone’s views on race should not be the deciding factor on whether or not that they are a good leader (just look at Woodrow Wilson, he cracked the top ten of the greatest U.S. presidents and he was an unabashed southern baptist racist). You also need to look at the times, especially in the early days when America was (believe or not) NOT the only country with slaves. Even more, slaves were introduced to the New World by European powers for their advantage.
What happened to these people was unjust, but that is irrelevant to what changes our past presidents and how they should be stacked.
101. Mike - November 8th, 2007 at 9:15 pm
this list means nothing if bush isnt number 1
102. jfrater - November 8th, 2007 at 11:06 pm
Mike: I understand your sentiment, but the problem is that many presidents through history would have been voted worst by the people they governed - so we need to give history a bit of time to work its magic in a list like this. In 5 - 10 years we will know the true ramifications of the current President’s time in office.
103. fuhippies - November 9th, 2007 at 12:48 am
you guys are morons any one with an ounce of historical knowledge would concede that nixon, opened up the east,(china) wich no other president even tried to attempt. This has huge implications to modern day trade. As far as watergate he covered some it up,it was never proven he told them to break into dnc headquartes because why, he feared the mcgovern campaign, ha. He wasn’t great but wasn’t awful, i would replace carter with him in a heartbeat, 14% inflation enough said. As for Dubya, he is the only pres to get involved in the middle east all others said f it. Eventually sombodys has to do something over there we can’t continue with a foreign policy of f it. History will treat him alot kinder than those that know absoluty nothing about middle eastern history. If you people watch the history channel more than american idol you may change your opinions
104. aud - November 9th, 2007 at 2:45 am
where is Bush????
105. Ginger Lee - November 9th, 2007 at 3:11 am
aud: read the note in the beginning, assuming you’re talking about jr.
fuhippies: About Bush- I think time will tell, esp if he vetoes the new SCHIP bill & ENDA. Maybe not the worst president, but everything from Iraq and Katrina and limiting civil rights for the first time in 50 years will add up. As for “opening up” the middle east, Carter did it better and first.
You’re right about Nixon about China. We’re finishing up his presidency in my upper division college history class. A lot of credit is not given- other stuff like Cambodia also work in conjunction with Watergate and dismal economic policies.
106. Rickbelpre - November 9th, 2007 at 5:11 am
What I found interesting is the change in the parties during our 200+ years of history. When will we replace one or both of the inefficient parties of today with one of leadership and insightful guidance into the future? We need to have a leader that can move us away from oil and into alternative fuels. We need a “power” revolution. Take us to the next level and make us the leader of the world again. China owns our jobs and stole them from us with subsidies of their factories. These two things are why the USA (I love it here, visit WV)is losing it’s power in the world. Who wants our money?
Maybe a Green party of intelectuals who can think ahead is what we need.
107. Randall - November 9th, 2007 at 6:57 am
fuhippies: Remember that watching the “History Channel” is not an acceptable substitute for obtaining an accredited education or even just for reading a book. Yes, it’s better for you than watching “American Idol,” but, you know… that ain’t sayin’ much.
Nevertheless, your exhortation that people do just that (watch the History Channel) made me laugh. Thank you. Though I know you didn’t mean it to be ironically funny, probably.
Firstly, there is a great deal of evidence for the crimes Richard Nixon committed; you need to pick your head up off the desk and read a little more. The Nixon administration *orchestrated* that election in ‘72… they used all manners of dirty tricks, spying, falsification of material to embarrass the Democrats… all so they could systematically knock the strong Democratic candidates out of the race, one by one, so they’d be left facing the weakest: McGovern. Then they went after him. (Hence the break-in to Democratic headquarters, which finally blew the lid off the conspiracy). They also went after Daniel Ellsburg (who leaked the Pentagon Papers). The entire conspiracy was well documented and masterfully uncovered by the Washington Post and the New York Times.
Now, you can argue if you like that Nixon only ever had the charge of cover-up pinned on him, but it’s certainly known he was guilty of obstruction of justice… and if you’re going to tell me that all of these crimes were going on around him, perpetrated by almost every major member of his executive team—and he didn’t KNOW about it—well, then, fuhippies… if you believe *that,* then I’ve got a bridge here in Brooklyn to sell you.
Your statements about the current Bush are even more nonsensical, but maybe someone else would like to tag you on that one. If not, I’ll be glad to do it.
108. Yarr - November 9th, 2007 at 7:16 am
Rickbelpre:
Sorry to be a cynic, but do you really think that a government will ever be uncorrupt or ‘good’?
In the thousands and thousands of years of human history, not one has stood or remained clean…
Sorry man, I just don’t have a very sunny outlook on the future of government (especially ours), if the past is any indication.
Rome is about to fall again…
109. Carl - November 9th, 2007 at 9:47 am
JT… well spotted… just a shame not all US voters are as observant as yourself!
I was hoping that it would be one of those English v US spelling issues… but it was not.
Still, my spelling shortcomings have little or nothing to do with the US voting Bush as President.
As for the Irony reaching critical as a result of my spelling (a little overkill never hurt anybody)… the retarded twit even got a second term in office!
110. fuhippies - November 9th, 2007 at 1:24 pm
i didn’t check my spelling so i know its a little off
why is the history channel not acceptble because you say it is. Do they or do they not get their info from books or do they just make all of it up. Usually they have people that tell of first hand accounts. Unless these people are lying then i see no need to see them as less of an education vessle. I will take a first hand account over anybody who writes stuff down on what they herd! (see the bio on Saddam and his sons) The fact of the matter is this, every book tv show have the elements of propaganda because humans can’t write the facts down in an unbiased light. Both sides of the politcal spectrum are guilty of this. What you got to ask yourself is which one manipulates the facts for benifit of their own gain or whats best for the country. Sadly, i feel the former is more truer rather than the latter. Oh and by the way, i read enough to keep my head of the desk, I just really don’t give a damn enough about the sixties to read about, i would much rather read 1776 a great book but i guess it doesn’t have the bells and whistles of a book about breaking into a campaign headquartes, ohh the intrigue. Carter really did a banner job in the middle east letting the sha of iran get over run by the iatola, by the way how did he handle that situation again, he sure brought the hostages home fast. The man has no spine and the worst foreign policy president ever,conceding to russia on missle treaties that left us dangerously behind the ruskies in the cold war. Kruchiev(sp)even admitted that Carter was weak. What i mean about Bush is that he is the only one that effectively tried to interven besides lolly gaging around with peace treates between Isreal and Palistine like everyother pres. Islamic militants have hits us since the seventies and no other president did anything substanial rather than bombing a few buildings. Remeber, arguing on the internet is like winning the special olympics, even though you won, your still retarded
111. evan - November 9th, 2007 at 1:32 pm
The History channel (while i love watching it) gets things wrong sometimes, and often show a very watered down version of the account. Not everything is wrong by far, but you notice things that are incorrect quite a bit. Usually they are small things, like talking about a specific ww2 tank while they show a picture on the screen of a totally different tank, sometimes theyre big mistakes. It doesnt happen too often, but enough to notice.
112. Ace531 - November 9th, 2007 at 8:09 pm
fuhippies: First of all, before you call everyone here a moron, I did list Nixon as one of the top presidents of all time. He may have covered up a crime, but he did more good for this country than most other presidents could ever have hoped of doing. Second, even before Dubya was in the white house he showed that he had absolutely no sense of foreign policy and would have led us to war with somebody eventually. It was only the timing of 9/11 that happened to turn his attention to the middle east (after he made a complete fiasco of the Isreali/Palastinian affair which was one of the events that triggered 9/11 in the first place). Was the Afghan war a good idea, sure. We had almost the entire world in agreement with us on that one, because we were defending our country after an attack and trying to bring an international criminal to justice. But then he f***ed it all up by attacking Iraq. He didn’t attack Iraq to look for WMDs. Of course Saddam had WMDs, the US had watched him use them before and in facts helped him obtain them. He only attacked Iraq because 1) he needed to boost his popularity that started to decline after the Afghan war because of his poor domestic policy and thought another Middle East war would be the answer and 2) he wanted to finish what his daddy started. Even Dick Cheney stated in an interview in 1994 that it would be a catastrophy for the US to ever invade Iraq and try to oust Saddam.
113. Rickbelpre - November 9th, 2007 at 9:10 pm
Yarr: I believe you may be right. Unfortunately Rome (USA) may be about to fall. It is always nice to believe that smart people would be able to prevail over money. You know what I mean! Thanks for the response. Rick
114. D Holmes - November 10th, 2007 at 4:15 pm
jfrater: “I understand your sentiment, but the problem is that many presidents through history would have been voted worst by the people they governed - so we need to give history a bit of time to work its magic in a list like this. In 5 - 10 years we will know the true ramifications of the current President’s time in office.”
Exactly. People called for impeachment when Lincoln was in power, yet he’s at the #1 spot on the list on the Historical Rankings of U.S. Presidents list.
Though, I seriously doubt Bush will be looked back upon w/ fondness. He’s been a pretty ineffective President, but I doubt he’ll ever be at the top of this list.
Ace535: Read a history book before you start bashing people and making false assumptions. I don’t consider Lincoln the greatest president of all time, but he didn’t commit all of these “civil rights violations” and whatnot that you are claiming. But seriously, there have been considerably worst presidents than Lincoln by far . George Bush Sr. shouldn’t even be considered the worst (though not the best by a long shot).
Besides, his Emancipation Proclamation doesn’t make him a bad President. It may not have freed any slaves per se (though it prompted some slave owners to do so), but it was good that a president finally came out and admitted the wrongdoings of slavery.
115. Sarah - November 11th, 2007 at 4:20 pm
Abe lincoln rocks. Godd thing he is noton this list
116. Ace531 - November 12th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
D Holmes: I have read history books and much more and I make my comments about Lincoln not out of opinion or assumption but based on documented historical fact. My sources include Time Magazine July 4, 2005, as well as The Real Lincoln: A New Look at Abraham Lincoln, His Agenda, and an Unnecessary War by Thomas DiLorenzo of which there is a quote by Richard Gamble of the Independent Review that states, “The Real Lincoln… seriously compromised by careless errors of fact, misuse of sources, and faulty documentation. […] Ironically, it is essentially correct in every charge it makes against Lincoln, making it all the more frustrating to the sympathetic reader” So even from a source that is heavily criticized against the author still states that all charges made against him were true. In the book Lincoln Was Responsible For the War by H.W. Johnstone it states “The United States Government and Abraham Lincoln began the war by committing at least four flagrant acts of war, against two vital points in the South, weeks before Fort Sumter was fired on.” In Holland’s The Life of Abraham Lincoln by Josiah Gilbert Holland he observes this quote from Fremont, Lincoln’s opponent to re-election “Had Mr. Lincoln remained faithful to the principles he was elected to defend, no schism could have been created, and no contest against him could have been possible. The ordinary rights secured under the Constitution have been violated. The Administration has managed the war for personal ends, and with incapacity and selfish disregard for constitutional rights, with violation of personal liberty and liberty of the press.” If need be I can come up with another dozen sources if you like. Try looking up just one book that isn’t politically biased towards him and you might find the truth. Don’t ever accuse me of making false assumptions when you assume that what I say is wrong when I can back my statements up with documented proof. I don’t see any sources for your assumptions that what I say is wrong.
117. ejama - November 13th, 2007 at 9:42 pm
Where’s Bush?
118. jbjr - November 22nd, 2007 at 3:44 am
W
119. SnowKid32 - November 28th, 2007 at 9:23 pm
What the fuck? Where’s Bush?!
=]
120. mooster - December 3rd, 2007 at 12:51 am
This list needs an update.
121. sam - December 3rd, 2007 at 11:36 pm
George W. Bush is not included in the list??!!
122. miss_ali1984 - December 20th, 2007 at 7:04 pm
bucslim: How is a time of war a tough time to be president? You get to the bottom of a threat on our country and go to war with whomever was involved, hopefully coming out a hero. What you do NOT do is go to war with someone who is not involved. You also do not take away some of the basic freedoms of the people in America (Patriot Act) for no reason, essentially for oil, just like your daddy did. You don’t condone torture either. I know I’m missing things.
Also, I thought Nixon should be higher on the list.
123. sdggrant - December 20th, 2007 at 7:17 pm
Miss_ali, its because of people who think like you that wartime is a hard time to be a president. I agree with you to an extent about bush JR. but Bush SR had good reason to go to war, why do you thinkthe rest of the world backed him up?
124. Chestica - January 12th, 2008 at 8:32 am
I miss President Bartlett…
125. Korgano - January 17th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
The others may be forgotten, or forgiven fot their misdeeds, but the 5 worst presidents really are:
5. Abraham Lincoln
4. George Bush
3. Warren Harding
2. Richard Nixon
1. George W. Bush
And the best 5 are:
5. Thomas Jefferson
4. Andrew Jackson
3. Theodore Roosevelt
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
1. John F. Kennedy
126. Sarah Morrison - February 20th, 2008 at 3:15 pm
As far as the list goes, I found it to be very interesting. I will admit to not having the most knowledge about these former leaders, so one take on them was intriguing.
As far as some of the comments, personally I think that I would rather have a horny president as opposed to one who can’t even articulate a proper English sentence. But that is only my opinion. If you don’t like it, so be it. I don’t ask anyone to agree with me.
127. J - February 22nd, 2008 at 9:11 pm
GEORGE W BUSH GEORGE W BUSH GEORGE W BUSH GEORGE W BUSH GEORGE W BUSH!!!
did i mention GEORGE W BUSH!?!?!?
128. Adia - February 22nd, 2008 at 10:04 pm
Unfortunately, GEORGE W. BUSH! Was not anywhere near the worst president of the US.
129. wwiimaniac - February 23rd, 2008 at 7:20 pm
I thiink that Andrew Kohnson should be #1!!!!
130. Nostre - February 29th, 2008 at 9:31 pm
Everybody who says the Bush is so bad, what exactly would YOU do in his place? Leaving Iraq now would be like leaving in the middle of a surgery in which you are extracting a bullet from an infected wound in a patients leg, but have not finished removing it and haven’t closed the wound up, either. What exactly do you think will happen?
131. BurnPianoIslandBurn - March 8th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
This list blows where is that wimp Jimmy Carter?
132. Ghidoran - March 17th, 2008 at 2:37 pm
In the aftetrword it says nixon moved to 10th and coolidge moved to tenth
133. yobbo - March 24th, 2008 at 9:11 am
the women of the world were asked if ‘they’ would sleep with Bill Clinton.
80% responded…”What, again”
134. SmartAlec - April 1st, 2008 at 4:47 am
Lyndon Johnson should be on this list, it’s his fault we went to Vietnam.
135. KKing - April 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 pm
Wow…reading all the comments about Bush show that the liberals haven’t learned anything from history. It’s gonna be funny when/if a democrat gets in and the war doesn’t suddenly come to a stop. And unfortunately, Mr. Bush is indeed a lot more intelligent than 99.9% of the people who criticize him on the safe haven of the internet.
136. duderz - April 3rd, 2008 at 2:01 am
Geez, you guys, what’s with the Lincoln bashing? The man himself hated slavery and campaigned for the 13th amendment during his terms. The E. Proclamation, whatever its political motivations (which I believe were mainly good, but feel free to read revisionist historical accounts) was a momentous occasion in U.S. history. So he wanted to keep the country together and stamp out slavery - wow, what a jerk! *rolleyes*
“The man who signed the 16th ammendment and gave us personal income taxes (which is against the Constitution)?”
Holy… are you really that stupid? An AMENDMENT to the Constitution automatically becomes a part of the Constitution on the same level as the original document, and it automatically nullifies any contradictory passages in the original. That’s why amendments were made possible - because the founding fathers, unlike you, understood that a stoic and unchanging document, like a similar government, could not fully serve its people over time. Hence the ability to make CHANGES to it, through a ratification process difficult enough to make it rare.
Complain about income taxes all you want, lazy rich kids, but the 16th amendment MAKES them Constitutional. Libertarians usually aren’t ignorant enough to use that tired and entirely false argument, so I’m surprised to see it came up at all.
Plus, Wilson didn’t sign anything. No president ever signed an amendment. It’s entirely ratified by Congress and State Conventions. Which just further proves your hilarious ignorance. I’m no fan of Woodrow - too racist for my tastes - but c’mon now.
And in case anyone is curious, this is the average historical ranking of the ten best presidents compiled from that same Wikipedia page mentioned above:
1. Abraham Lincoln
2. Franklin D. Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Thomas Jefferson
5. Theodore Roosevelt
6. Woodrow Wilson
7. Harry S. Truman
8. Andrew Jackson
9. Dwight D. Eisenhower
10. James K. Polk
137. GM - April 21st, 2008 at 1:01 am
Why you skip the name of Bush. Remember, during his era of Presidency the whole world is fired with the blood of humans. Being a human, no one notice his bad policies. Even some presidents helped him to make his bad policies.
I think his name should be placed top of the list.
Thanks.
138. JL - May 16th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
you forgot George Walker Bush…..
don’t wait for the historians to come to that conclusion….
139. avi - May 16th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
truman LBJ clinton JFK FDR jackson
140. Dante - May 19th, 2008 at 7:39 pm
In the words of Sir Stephen Colbert,
“George W. Bush, great president or greatest president?”
141. avi - May 20th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
too early to tell for GWB.
142. avi - May 20th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
whole ranking please
143. Hoser - June 7th, 2008 at 10:46 am
1-Jimmy Carter- All roads to 9-11 starts with the Master of Malaise- The Shah, The Ayatollah, Russians in Afghanistan, the Hostage Crisis and the Misery Index
2-James Buchanan-Failed to head off the Civil War
3-Franklin Pierce-Ditto
4-Woodrew Wilson-A sanctimonious bigot who give America WWI, the income tax, the Espionage Act of 1917 and the League of Nations
5-Rutherford Hayes- Short-circuited Reconstruction for almost a hundred years and damaged race relations
6-Lydon Johnson-Vietnam & the Not So Great Society
7-Richard Nixon- Watergate, Impeachment & Resignation
8-Bill Clinton- Monica Lewinsky, Impeachment, Perjury, selling of Pardons, Hotel 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. and overall general sleaziness
9-Herbert Hoover- Botched the Great Depression (see Smoot-Hawley)
10-George W. Bush- Won the War, lost the Peace
144. Demosthenes - June 10th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
First of All, anyone that says Lincoln is a bad President is either from the South or an absolute moron devoid of intelligence, or both. He is virtually always in the top 3 BEST Presidents by most lists, and is often considered #1.
Thankfully, the leading minds in history are smarter than many of the people commenting on this page. Carter? Clinton? Woodrow Wilson? A grand display of ignorance. Wilson is one of the better Presidents and Clinton & Carter are no prize champions, however they had some brilliant achievements that trump the other notable failures. Same could be said of LBJ, who failed at Vietnam, yet succeeded at passing more legislation than any President other than the four terms of FDR.
Secondly, I’ve seen this list before, it is not by any means definitive. Many lists find Clinton & Nixon higher and W. and his father lower.
While the jury is still out on W., The Washington Post is reporting that a majority of 109 leading historians find him to be the “worst President in U.S. History”. So it doesn’t look too good for ol’ W.
The story is here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....components
145. Ryan - June 10th, 2008 at 2:47 pm
Anyone that thinks George W. Bush is the worst President of the United States has either not studied American history at all, or they only studied what their 2nd grade teacher told them about the Revolution and the Civil War. There are so many presidents that are worse than him. About every president after Jackson and before Lincoln were 10 times worse. They failed to address the issue of slavery, plunging the nation into Civil War. Buchanan let 7 states secede.
Grant’s presidency was plagued by corruption and Carter didn’t do anything positive except make Egypt and Israel talk.
Bush has kept this country going after terrorist attack, and there hasn’t been another since 9/11. I’m surprised the economy isn’t worse after 9/11. Things aren’t that bad. Less Americans have died in Iraq than in the Mexican War, or even on one side of the battle of Antietam.
Frankly, you’re all a bunch of spoiled brats. Foreigners don’t hate us because of our wars or policies, they hate us because we live in the greatest country on the planet, and all we do is bitch about it.
Before you start saying Bush is the worst president in history, study history.
146. DemocracyInaction - June 10th, 2008 at 2:48 pm
No way in hell Lincoln even comes near this list!
W. is definitely the bottom of the barrel. As the previous comment says, Bush’s legacy is so bad, historians can conclude he’s terrible before he’s even left office. That’s really saying something. It usually takes a few years to judge.
This article also puts Bush at the bottom of the list.
http://www.soapblox.com/index.php?p=166
147. Justin - June 10th, 2008 at 3:44 pm
Ryan,
You talk about history as if it were written on a bathroom wall. Its as if you just took a class in 19th Century America. You compare Iraq to the Mexican War? Wow. Apples and Oranges. A 19th Century conventional war vs. a 21st Century Guer