The human rights of women throughout the Middle East and North Africa are systematically denied by each of the countries in the region, despite the diversity of their political systems. Many governments routinely suppress civil society by restricting freedom of the press, expression, and assembly. These restrictions adversely affect both men and women; however, women are subject to a host of additional gender-specific human rights violations. For example, family, penal, and citizenship laws throughout the region relegate women to a subordinate status compared to their male counterparts. This legal discrimination undermines women’s full personhood and equal participation in society and puts women at an increased risk for violence.
Family matters in countries as diverse as Iran, Egypt, Israel, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia are governed by religion-based personal status codes. Many of these laws treat women essentially as legal minors under the eternal guardianship of their male family members. Family decision-making is thought to be the exclusive domain of men, who enjoy by default the legal status of “head of household.” These notions are supported by family courts in the region that often reinforce the primacy of male decision-making power.
Here are ten of the most extreme examples of gender inequality you can find currently practiced, often state-sanctioned, in the world today.
In Saudi Arabia, women aren’t allowed to drive, or even ride bikes, and men aren’t allowed to drive women they’re not closely related to. The kingdom is currently dealing with the dilemma of how to get 367,000 girls to school on buses that can only be driven by men. The logical question at this point is this: If no men are allowed to come in contact with schoolgirls, and women aren’t allowed to drive, who will be driving the school buses? The Ministry of Education is currently recruiting “Al-Ameen” or trustworthy men for this initiative. It may be hard for some to take this term seriously considering the way Saudi Arabia’s religious police infamously broke the trust of 15 girls’ parents in 2002 when a girls’ school was on fire. The police forbade them from leaving the building, and in some cases beat them to keep them from leaving, because the girls’ heads weren’t properly veiled. The girls all died in the fire. One has to wonder how the Ministry of Education plans to handle school-bus breakdowns near similarly inclined men.
In 2001 a militant group called Lashkar-e-Jabar demanded that Muslim women in Kashmir wear burqas, head to toe garments that cover their clothes, or risk being attacked. Men threw acid in the faces of two women for not covering up in public. The group also demanded that Hindu and Sikh women dress so as to identify themselves: they said that Hindu women should wear a bindi (the traditional colored dot) on their foreheads, and Sikh women should cover their heads with saffron-colored cloth.
In many countries, while husbands can divorce their spouses easily (often instantaneously through oral repudiation), wives’ access to divorce is often extremely limited, and they frequently confront near insurmountable legal and financial obstacles. In Lebanon, battered women cannot file for divorce on the basis of abuse without the testimony of an eyewitness. A medical certificate from a doctor documenting physical abuse is simply not good enough. Although women in Egypt can now legally initiate a divorce without cause, they must agree not only to renounce all rights to the couple’s finances, but must also repay their dowries. Essentially, they have to buy their freedom. In Israel, a man must grant his wife a get, a Jewish divorce writ that can only be given by a man to his wife – never the other way around.
In many areas of Afghanistan, girls are often taken out of school when they hit puberty. Cultural factors related to the ‘correctness’ of sending girls to school, reluctance to send girls and boys to the same school after third grade, as well as the perceived and real security threats related to girls walking to school and attending classes all contribute to slowing down the enrollment of girls in schools. Likewise, the enormous lack of female teachers, who are fundamental in a country where girls cannot be taught by a man after a certain age, is having a negative impact on girls’ education. While progress has been made since the fall of the Taliban, women are still struggling to see their rights fulfilled. Literacy rates among young Afghan women are disturbingly low: only 18 per cent of women between 15 and 24 can read. While the total number of children enrolled in primary schools is increasing tremendously, the percentage of female students is not.
Husbands in Egypt and Bahrain can file an official complaint at the airport to forbid their wives from leaving the country for any reason. In Syria, a husband can prevent his wife from leaving the country. In Iraq, Libya, Jordan, Morocco, Oman and Yemen, married women must have their husband’s written permission to travel abroad, and they may be prevented from doing so for any reason. In Saudi Arabia, women must obtain written permission from their closest male relative to leave the country or travel on public transportation between different parts of the kingdom.
Women’s unequal legal rights increase their vulnerability to violence. In many countries in the region, no specific laws or provisions exist to penalize domestic violence, even though domestic violence is a widespread problem. Domestic violence is generally considered to be a private matter outside the state’s jurisdiction. Battered women are told to go home if they attempt to file a complaint with the police. Few shelters exist to protect women who fear for their lives. Spousal rape has not been criminalized; husbands have an absolute right to their wives’ bodies at all times. Penal codes in several countries in the region also contain provisions that authorize the police and judges to drop charges against a rapist if he agrees to marry his victim.
In Bahrain, where family law is not codified, judges have complete power to deny women custody of their children for the most arbitrary reasons. Bahraini women who have been courageous enough to expose and challenge these violations in 2003 were sued for slander by eleven family court judges.
Most countries in the region-with the exception of Iran, Tunisia, Israel, and to a limited extent Egypt-have permitted only fathers to pass citizenship on to their children. Women married to non-nationals are denied this fundamental right.
Many countries criminalize adult, consensual sex outside of marriage. In Morocco, women are much more likely to be charged with having violated penal code prohibitions on sexual relations outside of marriage than men. Unmarried pregnant women are particularly at risk of prosecution. The Moroccan penal code also considers the rape of a virgin as an aggravating circumstance of assault. The message is clear: the degree of punishment of the perpetrator is determined by the sexual experience of the victim.
China’s one child policy has heightened the disdain for female infants; abortion, neglect, abandonment, and infanticide have been known to occur to female infants. The result of such family planning has been the disparate ratio of 114 males for every 100 females among babies from birth through children four years of age. Normally, 105 males are naturally born for every 100 females.
Similarly, the number of girls born and surviving in India is significantly less compared with the number of boys, due to the disproportionate numbers of female fetuses being aborted and baby girls deliberately neglected and left to die. The normal ratio of births should be 950 girls for every 1000 boys, however in some regions the number is as low as 300.
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November 21st, 2008 at 2:43 am
Im first, its a first
November 21st, 2008 at 2:45 am
Excellent list and quite brave of you too post it!! I see you have the wonderful brave lady, Ayaan Hirsh Ali….what a lady…and she has to live most discreetly as Islam has ordered a hit on her!!
Take note, that almost all of this list pertains exclusively to Islam…funny that…and yet we keep deluding ourselves in the West with Cultural and moral relativism that Islam is no different or worse then any other ideology or creed…
One you could have added is child marriage which is permitted in Islam since muhammed himself, the so called ‘prophet’ of islam married a 6 year old girl when he was in his mid fifties…..and sadly, since that is considered Sunnah, many childred to this day are married off to older men in the Islamic world…gross to be sure…
Great list
November 21st, 2008 at 2:45 am
Just back from site and Second
November 21st, 2008 at 2:46 am
3rd
November 21st, 2008 at 2:50 am
Rushfan: Your usual thoughtful, well-researched, well-written socially educational list, but something cheerful please!!!!
I’m a man. I can’t even start to go close to imagining what life must be like for these women. Connected with this is lack of women’s access to information about what life is like a) in general and b) for women, in other countries. Most of these women can’t even imagine life being different than it is.
Please let this not turn into a religious slanging-fest.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:53 am
DAMN YOU! (I’m just saying that to those IDIOTIC dudes who think they can’t live without women. Even though I’m a guy…
Look at it this way. Who endured nine, painful months just to lead you to existence? What is that person’s gender?
November 21st, 2008 at 3:00 am
Wow! Really scary list.
Makes me happy to be where I am with the rights I have.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:02 am
And, what will happen to the future of China once women are gone? Is it possible for men to impregnate themselves to continue the human life cycle?
November 21st, 2008 at 3:07 am
All these things happen in the name of religion.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:10 am
Great list. The title was a little misleading though. It said gender inequality said only about female inequality. I dont know if its because there is no cases of male inequality or just because this was targeted for women. Im sure there are way more cases for inequality against women but isnt there 1 or 2 against men? Would be interesting to see
November 21st, 2008 at 3:16 am
No wonder these countries are so screwed up, they only use hslf of their brains.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:49 am
With respect to the right to divorce, I have my reservations. Women in most developed countries, especially America can kick the man out of the marital home if she files for divorce. Is this not an inequality issue? Some women have made a business out of this: Marry the rich man, follow him and when you catch him cheating file for divorce and take half of all his possessions. In fact what makes this funny is the way they fight this out in court especially the amount to be paid. It is really funny. If you want to remove inequality you don’t create another inequality.
To increase the number of female entering universities in Ghana, if a women gets aggregate 08 and a man gets 07 (which is better than the 08, the best is 06) the woman is admitted ahead of his male colleague. Is this not an inequality issue.
When it comes to inequality we only have to be careful of what we say and do. I give equal opportunity to everybody in life but I hate the specific individuals who go around trying to espouse women equality. In Ghana, these women are the well-to-do with housemaids (women househelps) in their homes, yet go about propagating the news of equality.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:52 am
I think this list sums up why the US and the UK bang on about “the free world” so much.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:44 am
There is a single ground for which a fundamentalist regime will grant a woman the right to divorce her husband: if he is impotent! But you need solid proof! How to get it?
On another kind of note, I think it’s great that you mentioned the names of the countries where these violations happen, so that readers know it’s not a generalized phenomenon throughout the Muslim world, as there are such countries with lay governments and liberal politics.
It would be interesting to note that women’s rights are gravely violated in non-Muslim countries as well. Another list, maybe?
November 21st, 2008 at 4:48 am
To sugen you counter argued your own argument by stating that the women follow thier husbands catch them cheating then file for divorce for the money. if your married you shouldn’t be cheating, therefore he is in the wrong. though i dont agree with women who marry just for money and who have their husbands followed its a minority.
I dont agree with putting someone ahead of others unless they are good enough. however men have been allowed to be ahead for centuries and women are still discrimnated against and not paid equally even in the western world so maybe they deserve a helping hand even if it means a man with slightly better qualifications is turned down. though to be honest in reality this i dont think this happens very often, though it may where you’re from.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:01 am
many of those information are not true
am from Jordan, and woman can travel were ever they want !!! withour the permission of anyone except their parents if they are minors
November 21st, 2008 at 5:04 am
Nice list.
I am deeply shocked by this list. Cant believe this gender discrimination is so extreme in some parts, and mostly in Muslim countries.
These people bring shame to Islam.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:05 am
Plus, this “women cant easily divorce thing” is very common. And its sad.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:07 am
When I read this list I literally shocked,, I just curious what was in the back of these people who made this regulation,, and it is in a middle east countries (which have a moslem majority) and islam itself is a religion that respect women very much
November 21st, 2008 at 5:15 am
Islam states that in front of the law, 2 women equal 1 man. This is enough to me. I am disgusted.
Until religions dominate countries, nothing fair can be expected.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:19 am
Excellent list, highlighting some very important issues. As a male I have to wonder if it is too much to hope that one day we will live in a world where the same rights are afforded to both genders.
Gender inequality also exists in western societies, although not in such extreme forms. Women are still paid less than men on average and the majority of top level management positions are filled by men. The situation is improving though, and hopefully in future the divide narrows further.
I sincerely hope that this list does not generate a torrent of racist comments. I am sure that was not rushfan’s intention in writing this list.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:19 am
I agree with Devon that it is good to see that Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s picture made it into the list (#5). She has a great story, which wikipedia retells fairly well.
Also, I agree with Severus about Jordan. Just read this one excerpt from the CIA Factbook: “Municipal elections were held in July 2007 under a system in which 20% of seats in all municipal councils were reserved by quota for women.”
All in all, great work!
November 21st, 2008 at 5:32 am
10. Maxhuman – Great list. The title was a little misleading though. It said gender inequality said only about female inequality. I dont know if its because there is no cases of male inequality or just because this was targeted for women. Im sure there are way more cases for inequality against women but isnt there 1 or 2 against men? Would be interesting to see
Thanks, that’s a good point. I hadn’t even thought of it. I guess I just kind of assumed it was a given which gender was most often victim of inequality.
sugen ~ Also good points. I would include affirmative action as racial inequality and your examples as gender affirmative action are quite relevent, also. Thanks for that.
Foxy ~ Yes, sadly the list could go on to include many other countries.
Severus ~ As you are from the country I have only read about, please inform me if I am incorrect. Here is where I read that info…
http://www.theprismgroup.org/articles/women_of_the_middle_east.html
November 21st, 2008 at 5:39 am
This is sickening. The girls, who were left to die in the fire-how can human beings allow this to happen????
November 21st, 2008 at 5:44 am
Even in a relatively advanced country like South Korea, there is a famous ongoing case. A famous actress committed suicide about 2 months ago. Her husband had beaten her, even when she was heavily pregnant, and had been unfaithful. In a divorce, the automatic assumption is that the father will gain custody. She had to forgive a substantial debt and drop the assault charges against him in order to gain custody. After the divorce, he did not contribute financially to the raising of the children, or ever visit them. Despite this, he automatically gained control over her estate after her death, and the grandmother and aunt have no legal recourse. There are currently protests and petitions to change the law.
I am relying on my wife’s sometimes fallible ability in English in this. The details may be wrong, but the gist is correct.
I was wondering if there were any examples of gender inequality against men. If there are, they must be few and far between compared to those against women.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:54 am
One thing that came to mind was genital mutilation. I recall seeing a 60 minutes story that talked about teenage girls have their…ah…parts…sewn shut by operation except for a small hole to pee. Once healed, the only way for a man to consumate his marriage was by tearing the woman back open. This caused many to bleed to death. Either I somehow missed it on the list or it was omitted.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:00 am
Astraya, I agree with you that there must be some inequalities that involve men getting the short end, but the only ones I can think of are more of double standards and much less severe than those included. The one exception is the rights of passage that someAfrican tribes employ (or used to) concerning boys/young men. I don’t recall any comprable tests of womanhood, but I could be wrong.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:02 am
So sad..
#26.. that’s horrible
November 21st, 2008 at 6:05 am
onwisconsn ~ please see my other list…
http://listverse.com/crime/7-terrible-abuses-suffered-by-women-around-the-world/
November 21st, 2008 at 6:13 am
An interesting but disturbing list. It shows how in some cases Religious beliefs can sometimes cause much more harm than good. But, although the atrocities mentioned do happen they are not as common place as it seems. Larger cities in the Middle East and Africa for example are more tolerant than the outlaying villages. However, it still shows why the U.S.A. and other westernized countries still offer the best opportunities for both genders.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:17 am
I am completly dissappointed at this list and how it shows Islam. Being an educated muslim woman i would like add my point of view. Islam is in no way cruel to woman. Infact, Islam came in a time when women had absolutely no rights at all but if u would like to know Islam introduced many of the female rights we have today the right to divorce, education, inheritance, mehr which is money or proprety that is given to her after marriage by her husband, and there are so many more infact our holy book the quran has an entire surah(part
) on women’s rights before islam men would inherit their father’s wives as if they were a piece of property and Islam put a stop to that. And Devon our prophet (peace be upon him) did marry a young girl aisha but if we look at history no less than a two hundred years ago girls were thought eligible to marry at age 13 or 12 and the prophet lived at the time of the romans and to add something you probably dont know the prophet’s first wife was over 15 years older than him and didnt marry again till after her death and all the other women he married were widows which he took in take care of them and introduced the right for women to remarry another right all us take for granted today and yes before compilling a list check if the information you print is true or legitimate deeply dissappointed listverse.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:29 am
Sana ~ I appreciate your input and respect your viewpoint. You state “Islam is in no way cruel to woman.” I agree. It is not Islam that is being cruel to women, and no such claim was made. One has only took do a brief search to find supporting documentation of examples of female inequality in the underdeveloped world as well as countries run by religious extremists. I’m surprised in this day and age of global news coverage that anyone would even attempt to deny these inequalities exist.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:30 am
Hey there #31. I find it so amusing at how some people try to defend that gutter cult and it’s child molester ‘prophet.’
Nothing you have stated changes a single thing on this list. Islam is a backwards outdated cult.
If that’s offensive to some people….GOOD!
November 21st, 2008 at 6:38 am
Sana, I agree that what you say is true, and I don’t dispute it. However, the things on this list are also true. Religion has been distorted and used by many people through history to oppress and cause pain. It was not so long ago in America that the Bible was used to justify slavery and racial oppression. This doesn’t make the Bible or Christianity bad, it makes the people who used it in such a way bad. In the same sense, this list is about the atrocities that people commit, not an attack on Islam.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:18 am
Thankyou rusfan i know that in some places muslim women are being mistreated being an afghan i know that but some people think that islam belittles us women n thats not true.
N mr.33 i have a name n i have no need to defend my prophet nearly 2 billion muslims all of whom respect n love him n whether islam is outdated in your view i dont care wat offends me is that you would reply me in such an undermining way just because im a muslim woman im not going take ur crap never have n never will. K
November 21st, 2008 at 7:20 am
“In Israel, a man must grant his wife a get, a Jewish divorce writ that can only be given by a man to his wife – never the other way around.”
This is only the custom of the religious… Israel is NOT a theocracy and women ARE equal to men here (an easy example is having a woman prime minister before the USA).
November 21st, 2008 at 7:21 am
Yea, i have to agree that these things are commited in the name of religion (islam, mostly), but WE try to defend our religion, not the people who commit hideous crimes & Islam has to bear the brunt of criticism. Just to clarify, Ayesha (R.A) was NOT 6 years old, she was 9, 10 or 11 ( varying sources) & as said by sana, in those days it was normal to marry girls of around 10, 11… SO lordpervert, you better not call our prophet anything we dont like, you can bitch all day about your own religion, not others.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:25 am
LordCalvert
wow lord calvert it seems that whatever sana had written failed to to be processed by your brain. Perhaps your “liberal” education has failed to widen the horizons or your ability to understand.
I agree that we need the west to give liberty to all these muslims. I mean how else will our muslim sisters and mothers EVER be able to show their breast on TV or at a madi gras in exchange for a string of beads? How will they ever be able to act in Pornography?
Thanks to the west who gave us an endless stream of child pornography, who occupied our muslim lands, killing the bread winners and forcing those who fled into prostitution. how we needed your help. we only survived 1400 years without any changes, but maybe with your help we will make another 1400.
This list is brilliantly researched. You managed to find a Muslim country where all these things were perpetrated. Skipping all the non-muslim country where these same crimes are being committed. you have reached your goal of smearing Islam. You must be so proud.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:34 am
Is that baby in the last picture sitting in a bowl of food? Looks like chili.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:34 am
I was suprised that female genital mutilation wasn’t on here.
Also, I would have a lot more respect for Muhammad if he kept true to his original message. Once he started to preach that Muslims should pray towards Mecca and not toward Jerusalem, he took the focus of Islam off of Allah and put it more on him.
I will also quote Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus, “Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.”
November 21st, 2008 at 7:36 am
& so, some SOB forgot that when muslim women are told to cover themselves, islam is labelled a terrorist religion or a religion with inequality, but when christian nuns cover themselves, does anyone say christianity is discriminating ??? & then i thought you westeners were more intelligent
November 21st, 2008 at 7:40 am
rushfan – great list!
November 21st, 2008 at 7:40 am
I hope someone understands… & changes thaie opinion about Islam.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:42 am
when christian nuns cover themselves, does anyone say christianity is discriminating
ali hayat – but Christian nuns will not get abused or terrorised or have acid thrown in their faces if they don’t cover up…
November 21st, 2008 at 7:51 am
Islam invented women’s rights now? That’s absurd. The fact is Christians were the first to press for fair treatment of women.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:02 am
Bob islam n christianity r in some ways similar we both believe in Moses Abraham and all the other prophets but you have to agree christianity forbidded divorce in general n women had no right of inheritence i have seen the actual writings forbidding both.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:03 am
Philmont237 is was not him who changed it It was Allah who changed the direction of prayer. If you have a problem with the Quraan thats another story.
Well done on quoting the Pope and spreading hate speech on Islam. Not only is your statement untrue, BUT why dont you mention how the west came to Africa and RAPED the people and land in the name of spreading Christianity.
Also Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Paleologus lived about 700 years AFTER the prophet (peace be upon him) But i supposed the fact that he spent his entire life fighting against islam makes him an excellent candidate for hero or thinker for the west regardless of his expertise.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:06 am
Sana
I believe your stance that this list is all about bashing Islam is completely off topic. The list was showing the countries where outrageous human rights violations are being conducted towards Women. The list is not named “The horrors for an Islamic Woman” so chill the hell out.
#5 completely disgusted me, and it is reason alone that I thank God every day that I live in a place that these things are not allowed to happen. Sana can you even imagine getting raped by a sick twisted stranger, and then when you finally mustered the courage to go to the police and point him out, all he had to do was aggree to marry you (IE sign a paper and rape the crap out of you whenever he wanted, while nothing else changed for him) and he would be released as though nothing happened. Maybe instead of whining about Islam being smeared, you should be praying to your Allah to protect those woman this is happening to everyday.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:10 am
Devon(2) Remember that there are a number of other societies in which girls are married off between the ages 8 and 12 – and they are not necessarily muslim.
James(13) Spot on!
Precision(21) Sweden is a wonderful place.
Astraya(25) In the U.S. there are only a few that I can think of; the ugliest of which is with custody of children – the general rule is for the mother to gain custody unless she either does not want it or is found to be unfit (definition varies here). Of friends and family I have known who went through custody proceedings, only 1 in 9 ended up with the father gaining custody, and 3 in 9 ended up with some form of joint custody.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:11 am
Ready to rumble then!
Yeah people, keep on fighting for who´s right while all this girls and women suffer mutilations, rape, torture for whatever reasons some motherf$#% invented.
Come on guys, it´s not Islam or Jews or UFOS, its each one of us.
Which means we are all doomed.
Sorry, not my best day
November 21st, 2008 at 8:17 am
Sana(31) You might already know the site I’m about to list, but it certainly opened my eyes about a few things regarding Mohammed’s marriages:
“http://www.muslimhope.com/WhyDidMohammedGetSoManyWives.htm”
November 21st, 2008 at 8:21 am
Great list! Very sobering and I’m glad I (and my sister, mom, ex-wife, daughter) don’t live in these countries.
It is true the most EXTREME examples of gender inequality pertain to women.
The most extreme example of gender inequality for MEN is the American divorce court system, where men are severely discriminated against and punished, especially if children are involved. (long live pre-nups!)
As unfortunate as this is, it is still less extreme than any example on this list.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:22 am
I agree with #40.. where is female genital mutilation? That is a major problem in nations in Africa. Perhaps to present a more global view of female inequities (and not just Islam) rushfan should have included that in addition to female infanticide in China & India.
Also, ali hayat – Christian women, even in centuries past, could either marry and have children or head up to a nunnery. This matter of choice, even if it wasn’t their own in the past, makes a difference from all Muslim women, who are required to cover themselves.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:24 am
LordCalvert and Zubair Kaka, please take such mean-spirited and spiteful commentary elsewhere. It does not belong in this venue. I WAS having a great day up to this point. I will say no more, as my blood pressure is rising with every keystroke.
Peace to all; out here.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:38 am
The single greatest detriment to humankind can be summed up in one word….Religion. When we are rid of it, atrocities like these..not to mention many more, will be gone. The only problems religion helps with are ones that it was responsible for in the first place.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:43 am
the thing to remember is that every religion has been used in perverse ways to further men’s exploitation, domination, abuse, tortue and murder of women (and children) ..it is a gender issue from the beginning. religion is only a contrived late player in the game. as is the case w/ so many other contrivances like politics, religion just proved an easy diversion from the truth, that being that men have historically subjagated women (and children). something that seems to always get lost in translation. and yeah, things have improved for women (and children) ..in some parts of the world but any review of WHO stats on the deplorable conditions for women (and children) in most of the world does not justify being optimistic that trend will continue, in my opinion. seems like every step forward there are 3 steps back. i’m just damned glad i was born in America and still live here, as bad as it gets here..it is nothing in comparsion to the utter hopelessness in some parts of the world. least here there is still hope.
after i’d proofed this list last nite, emailed J as usual that i’d done so, i commented that this was a depressing list. nothing against the author or J’s decision to post it and it is a subject that always needs airing…still rather bleak way to head into the weekend.
*sigh*
November 21st, 2008 at 8:48 am
This was an excellent list. I do love lists that illicit feeling from me. This one was anger and hurt and a desire to change things, though I’m not sure how. I feel for everyone of those girls/women and imagine the mothers who have to kill their daughters in China, the hurt they must feel as well.
I was angered at the girls who had to burn to death because of their veils. That’s just beyond stupid. I tell my kids that if they need to get out of the house because of a fire, I don’t care if they’re naked, I just want them alive. These policemen didn’t even care enough about these girls to try covering them, if it was absolutely necessary.
And to have to marry the man that raped you because he agrees to it… Where is the justice in that?
ali hayat: Nuns choose their course in life and choose to dress with a head covering, but are not always required to wear a certain length skirt, etc. The Hindu and Sikh women mentioned here are not given the choice, as they are violently persecuted if they do not wear exactly what is required. (FYI: I am Agnostic, so my defense of the nuns is not personal, it’s factual to the best of my knowledge)
November 21st, 2008 at 8:50 am
sashley31 ~ please see post 29
Cyn ~ Sorry to bring you down. I wrote & submitted this list some weeks ago and just kinda assumed maybe it was too depressing and wouldn’t be published. Like you, I am a mom of a daughter and when I was younger and first discovered Ms. Magazine I was overwhelmed by what I learned about women in other countries. I’ve just never gotten over it.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:53 am
JayArr you getting your info from a website which homepage states it wants us to turn to “christ the messiah” thats like going to get history of USA from Iran
November 21st, 2008 at 8:54 am
I don’t think female genital mutilation really qualifies as inequality since male genital mutilation is practiced much more widely than the female version. Granted, the female version is more horrific and painful, but still…
Also, it’s important to consider the other side of the issue here. Do you make an effort to understand the cultural reasons behind many of the cultural expectations attacked here? Woman’s rights have come a very long way in Egypt in the past decade. Egyptian women now have the option of dressing in the western fashion or in the more traditional dress. Many of the women choose the traditional garments for very personal reasons. While I do not agree at all with lack of legal rights or abuse of anyone for any reason, understanding where the traditions stem from is a vital part of any debate about them. I thought this list was well-done and carefully respectful, noting only legal facts. Not every country is or wants to be as progressive as the rest of the world in that area.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:00 am
hey every1 i just want to say i dont hate u guys (with the exception of lord wats his face) but it needs to be known religion is not to be blamed niether are innocent people to be blamed so when i thought my religion was being wrongly shown so i wrote abt it n i stand by my decision but there were a couple people who showed me n my religion respect that was nice to see after a long time thanks guys.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:12 am
rushfan -
which are both always good things.
not to worry sweetie. its a good list. subject matter is definitely something that needs to be continually brought to our attention..until it is no longer an issue.
and its not like LV is always light entertainment.
and it did make me ‘count my blessings’ and hug my daugher..again.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:15 am
On Nov. the 2nd this year a 13 year old Somalia girl gets raped by 3 men and she gets stoned to death by Islamic militants who say that she committed adultery.
What God would require the public slaughtering of a rape victim ? Is this one of those ” she was asking for it ” situations ? How does a 13 year old end up dead in front of 1,000 witnesses as punishment ?
These subhuman zealots should have no place on our planet. Their self righteous atrocities must be considered unacceptable by humanity.
Nice list – but sad – Thanks.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:18 am
59 mawe: Absolutley!
& nuns too cover themselves, so it isnt much different in our religion except that (sometimes), the face is also covered. Throwing acid is one example, it isnt AT ALL widespread, though it is just plain wrong, it ISN’T connected to islam.
& morover, no. 2 is absolutely crap. THEIR IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING IN ISLAM STATING WHATEVER IS SAID IN NO. 2. IM INTRIGUED, HOW CAN U SAY THAT WHEN WE OURSELVES (MUSLIMS) HAVE JUST NO INFORMATION OF THAT?? We, about 2 billion muslims hav no problem with our religion whatsoever, i dont understand why you people have?? If Islam was so retarded, it wouldnt be the fastest growing religion(in your god damned america too) & its followers woudln’t be so fanatically in favour of its rules & regulations. I think that states perfectly my point.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:22 am
Inspired by Warrrreagle and this list…Today is Bjork’s 43rd birhtday ~ born 21 November 1965 ~ “It’s incredible how nature sets females up to take care of people, and yet it is tricky for them to take care of themselves.”
November 21st, 2008 at 9:23 am
How could you miss the blatant sexism of Catholicism? I have never understood why a single woman would remain in the Catholic church considering the treatment they receive. There is no reason at all why women cannot be priests (or for priests not to marry). The Catholic Church pisses and moans about the priest shortage when all they have to do is allow female priests and married priests. The priest shortage goes away along with most of the gay priests. Child molesting would go way down (though not away).
November 21st, 2008 at 9:24 am
wow that was pretty upsetting. i know that these muslim men think they are in the right according to their religion but damn they are heartless towards women.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:27 am
even as an atheist (i was raised Baptist in the Bible belt so its not like i don’t get it)..i would urge people to be respectful of people’s choice of religion (or in some cases, the religion they were born into) and understand the difference between Islam and those that would pervert it to their own agendas. and yes, not just Islam but any other religion you care to mention too. horrific atrocities are now being and have been committed in the name of God, by every religion. so let’s not single out Islam.
i just wish the ‘good followers’ got more press but apparently that doesn’t sell soap.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:32 am
To be completely honest, i have no influence from religion with this matter. I am not religious and nor am I an atheist so I agree that the sooner everyone is treated equal the better
I am NOT saying that religion is to blame because it is not. It is what people believe and think is “right” that is the problem, none of this is. It’s wrong and there is nothing more to be said. I can confidently say that no arguement for it is worth listening to, and I always need to hear both sides before I make a judgement!
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It is extremely sad about what is happening to the unforunate victims such as the one smurff was talking about (cool name btw
And just as a sidenote, while reading this it was obvious that almost every other comment was going to blame religion, debates are fun!
however the subject is a big shame D:
November 21st, 2008 at 9:55 am
These people are savages that do this to women. The countries that embrace these ways of lives are filled with men who are a bunch of brainwashed, scared, small-penis, losers. No wonder they hate the western culture so much, we threaten their whole way of life. They know that we will bring freedom to there women, and then they will be able to make their own decisions. You know that this pisses the shit out of the men, they won’t be able to force sex, or make their daughters marry who they want. What a messed up area, I can’t blame the U.S. and England for trying to change how messed up it is over there. Only if we knew that is the only reason they are there.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:57 am
While I think there are issues with “reverse” gender inequality in the Western countries, regarding divorce and child custody, I can´t help to think its a bit frivolous comparing them with the situations described here.
Number 1 is truly horrific, in certain regions in India they are trying to forbid ultrasound scans in pregnant women to avoid the widespread practice of aborting female fetus.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:58 am
It’s depressing how much of this is attributed towards Islam and not the people who supposedly follow it. What’s also depressing are the posters here who show such intolerance and ignorance similar to the type of hate and ignorance that influences the kinds of crimes and inequality which womenn in this list have had to endure.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:20 am
Even though I knew most of this beforehand, having it all gathered together in one lump sum is overwhelmingly depressing.
I can’t even comment on the list.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:20 am
Maleficence,
What’s ignorant is you, and not wondering how a human being can not stand up and voice there own opinions in the own country without getting killed or put in prison.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:22 am
We’ve had corpses, war and now this.
I dread to think what’s coming tomorrow!
November 21st, 2008 at 10:31 am
You forgot one big one: Female genital mutilation, also known as female circumcision. It’s horrific and denies the women any chance at pleasure so they’ll be faithful to their husbands and not want sex. This makes the vast majority of marital sex as good as rape.
There was also the woman who was recently stoned for adultery after reporting that she had been raped.
The list definitely covers quite a few. And for the people going over how it’s all about Islam and Muslim countries, what about India and China? And if these atrocities DO exist in Muslim countries in an inordinate amount, it merely points that ANY religion, but especially extremists factions, should not have such power to exert forceful laws. It subjugates women, minorities and those who are different.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:33 am
does nobody read the comments? fgm was covered in terrible abuses against women list
http://listverse.com/crime/7-t…..the-world/
November 21st, 2008 at 10:34 am
Propaganda, and I don’t use that word often. This is the first time I thnk Iv’e ever used it to describe a list.
Rushfan: At least it’s well written.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:41 am
Also, one thing to Ali Hayat about not being able to bitch about other’s religions: Yes, actually, they can. Saying that they are NOT allowed to shows that you are the intolerant one. Do they have the right to ban your ability to practice your religion? No. Do they have the right to exclude or punish you for your beliefs? No, and I would absolutely despise and fight against anyone who tried to so. But they have EVERY right to criticize what anyone believes, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Hindu, Atheist, Buddhist, just as you have the right to criticize other religions, beliefs and ideas.
You don’t deserve special treatment because you believe in Allah and Mohammad. You have the same right to free speech as everyone else, so you also need to accept you’re open to criticism.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:47 am
Freshies #70, a tangental comment to add to yours. When Russia occupied Afghanistan, one silver lining to that cloud was the fact that women were allowed much more freedom under their rule. Then the US and Saudi Arabia, along with the ISI of Pakistan and Osama Bin Laden, gave them the boot, which in turn led to the Taliban, who brutally repressed women. Then the Saudis, the ISI, the Taliban, and Osama Bin Laden get together and attack the US. In 2002, the most liberated women in the Middle-East were Iraqi, so what does the US do? I’m not sure where the hell I’m going with this comment, other than it sure seems like hell to me.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:48 am
Great thought provoking list rushfan. I liked VikingBerserker (11) comment about countries using half of their brains.
Just think of the waste it is for all of the women in these countries for centuries not to use (or not allowed to use) their minds to full potential. Think of the what might have been discovered, painted, written, built, accomplished etc.
What a waste of humanity.
Crimanon, just wondering why you think this list is propaganda?
rushfan, forget about trying to figure out why people don’t read the comments before they post for you own sanity’s sake.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:50 am
Rushfan: I only read some of them, sorry. Thanks for the link.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:53 am
“If Islam was so retarded, it wouldnt be the fastest growing religion(in your god damned america too)” Ali Hayat #64
And malignant tumors are the fastest growing cells in cancer patients.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:01 am
rushfan -
) the cults in Texas of late in the news w/ the supposed ‘child brides’. get this out of 3rd world and/or non-Christian and into what is happening in our own backyard w/ all these ‘god-fearing good Christians.’ not only for balance but to show that even so-called ‘good Christians’ in the West have some wacky if not outright abusive ideas and practices re: women (and children).
if you’ve the time, i’d be interested in your taking a look specifically at American and/or Christian examples. i’m thinking of the ‘purity balls’ (weird word combo, eh?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:03 am
and yeah, wouldn’t it be nice if people actually read the FAQ. actually read preceding comments.
be even nicer if people kept things respectful.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:05 am
ali hayat:
Yes nuns have the option to cover themselves, but it is their choice to decide on how much they want to cover themselves. I just recently graduated from a catholic university, and many of the professors were current and former nuns. Contrary to the stereotype they did not wear the black gowns and head pieces. They wore what any professor would wear, conservative skirts and dresses. Aside from professors, nuns lived on campus and they wore whatever they felt like wearing. Please, please don’t level to assumptions. I can tell from your writing that you are angry and it is seriously showing in your posts. Anger leads to assumptions, name calling, and accusations. I’d like to think positive and say that you are better than that.
On a side note Rushfan: I really liked your list, it was interesting and provoked thought on both sides of this debate. Well done
November 21st, 2008 at 11:10 am
rushfan-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purity_Ball
“When you sign a pledge to your father to preserve your virginity, your sexuality is basically being taken away from you until you sign yet another contract, a marital one…It makes you feel like you’re the least important person in the whole equation. It makes you feel invisible.” quote taken off that page.
i could be confusing this w/ some crime show on TV but wasn’t there a criminal case in this country ..something about the father killing someone or something? anyway…this practice and other American Christian practices of dominating females ‘in the name of Christ’…might make for another interesting list.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:18 am
LOL no.10 :-p
“If no men are allowed to come in contact with schoolgirls, and women aren’t allowed to drive, who will be driving the school buses?”
yea it makes sense :-p
November 21st, 2008 at 11:19 am
Crimanon ~ care to elaborate?
Cyn ~ I’ll be sure to do that. I’ve been giving it a lot of thought lately actually because I watch that new show 17 Kids and Counting. What I don’t get is why the girls can’t wear pants. On the last episode I watched, they actually played paintball in floor-length skirts! WTF? Did Jesus decree thou shant wear pants?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:25 am
Rushfan, maybe it’s a modesty thing. Aren’t they LDS?
November 21st, 2008 at 11:29 am
I think… and im gonna get crap for this… that religion, as a whole, is an idea way past its time. Sure it was important back then when we couldnt explain anything but now? it only serves purely as a method of control (i guess back then too).
Religion I predict, will die within 100 yrs. Its the root of all hate, along with territorial boundaries. I also predict nationalism will end within 150 yrs…….. and TV will be done for in about 60….
November 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am
dh ~ From what I gather, it is indeed a modesty thing. They even wear special “modest swimsuits” but I don’t see how pants aren’t still relatively modest. I don’t think they’re LDS, they seem to be just conservative christians who have chosen to home school and encourage their kids to go thru courtship instead of dating and stick to pretty traditional gender identities. I actually have quite a bit of respect for the way they are so very organized and happy. They totally lost me, tho, on the episode where they visited the “creation museum.”
November 21st, 2008 at 11:30 am
I agree that this list unfairly targets Muslim countries. Hindu-dominated India is one of the worst offenders:
Child marriage, while officially illegal, is common in some rural areas.
Widows have an extremely low social status and are often driven to begging because their family will not support them.
Suttee (the practice of burning a widow on her husband’s funeral pyre) is officially illegal, but in some areas voluntary or forced suttee occurs.
Sex selection of babies and abortion of female fetuses is a huge industry, even accomodating clients from other countries.
I have nothing against Hindus either, just wanted to point out that subjugation of women is not exclusive to Muslim countries.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:34 am
rushfan-
just google ‘wives cleave unto husbands’ and get tons of crap about women submitting to their husbands. actually think there was a rape case based off that. some Christian sects have some truly bizarre notions about ‘woman’s place’ heh..
oh! and the preacher in the news lately…telling his congregration to have sex every day for so many days…even if the wives didn’t want to, basically giving permission to rape their wives. some sad and scary stuff right here in the good old God fearing Christian USA. heh…
November 21st, 2008 at 11:40 am
This is a good list.
I’d like the next one to be focused on the subtle gender inequalities in the Western world. It goes both ways.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:43 am
This list is a great list that shows the many injustices seen around the world but one misconception that the commentators seem to have is that they think these laws are Islamic when in fact it is mostly the countries themselves that have taken Islamic teachings and contorted it to their own likings. These countries are very extreme and their laws should not be mistaken as Islamic.
Yes the Quran says the women should be scarved but it was always an option for the women and was never forced.
Also Islam has always preached equality between women and men as in the quran: “O mankind! Be dutiful to your Lord, Who created you from a single person (Adam), and from him (Adam) He created his wife (Eve), and from them both He created many men and women and fear Allah through Whom you demand your mutual (rights), and (do not cut the relations of) the wombs (kinship). Surely, Allah is Ever and All-Watcher over you.” (Al-Nisa 4:1)
Also as far as education the Prophet Muhammad had always preached : “To seek knowledge is obligatory on every Muslim.”
and that both men and women should seek knowledge.
Also many of the rulings of Islam on adulterers or fornicators are the same for men and women. Yes there are many rights that a man has over his wife but what people dont know is that there are many rights that women have over their own husbands.
Like I said i think the list is great in the fact that it never brought religion up but at the same time i just wanted to point out the misconceptions about Islam and what separates it from the laws of countries that sadly believe they are associated with it.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:18 pm
id have to say, most of these are just prime examples of religion at work.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:19 pm
For #8, I’m defending the Jewish part- While that ancient law is still observed, if the man does not let the woman divorce him, he will be excommunicated.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:31 pm
Theduke #96, excellent post. The greatest gift the creators of the US Constitution gave to my fellow countrymen, is the separation of church and state.
November 21st, 2008 at 12:48 pm
Look at picture #6 and tell me it aint creepy !
November 21st, 2008 at 12:55 pm
what about the fact that in the U.S men are required by law to sign up for the selective service, and women aren’t
November 21st, 2008 at 1:29 pm
i really guess that when it comes down to how women are treated in the middle east it is what my history teacher used to say “custom is king” or something. completely barbaric to me but normal to them and stuff. i just do not get it. if there was something about christianity that told me to do stuff like that against my common sense of what is right and wrong, i would really hope that i would be smart enough to reject it and not be christian anymore. i am very sorry but the more stuff i read about islam and the middle east the more it upsets me.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:38 pm
64. ali hayat – ‘If Islam was so retarded, it wouldnt be the fastest growing religion’
Ahhh a commonly quoted fact. Shame it is wrong. Christianity is growing far faster than Islam. The main reason Islam is growing at its current rate is because of the high birth rates in Islamic countries.
Please think (or do some research) before you speak.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:39 pm
Rushfan, Blogball: Intentionally or no, this list just more of a reason it incite a prejudice against Islam. Eighty percent of this list names Directly countries whose main religious practices are based in Muslim faith.
The fear of Iran Nuking one of it’s neighbors. Al’Qaeda threatening to “Destroy the Infidel” and succeeding nicely in at least Scaring the crap out of the world. Saying “Jihad” on the New York subway can get you arrested or beaten to death. The last thing we need is more fear.
Why add to number four custody rights in america being grossly swayed to favor the mother.
Domestic Abuse of men and how it doesn’t go punished. I’ve had friends get arrested because they were defending themselves from their partners. When witnesses have attested to Him no being at fault.
Mormon churches making the women sit in the back of the temple during functions.
No women Shriners.
No female Presidents elected in the US, there still hasn’t been a female Vice.
Male rights of passage in African tribes.
Female subjugation in Mexican culture.
This list just felt One-sided. Well written but biased.
November 21st, 2008 at 1:48 pm
Crimanon ~ Your original use of the word propaganda implied you saw this list as factually inaccurate to misinform. I admit it is limited to a particular region of the world, but that does not make it inaccurate. How do you suggest well-intentioned people are to discuss issues like these that deserve to be discussed do so without people like you calling us fear-mongering or biased? Also, the issues you raise are indeed legit, but how do they compare to systemic, institutionalized gender discrimination that permeates all areas of these women’s lives?
November 21st, 2008 at 2:01 pm
Ok can someone who is really smart tell me if islam IS in fact the fastest growing religion in the world or if it is just because of the birthrate in islamic countries like what Nikki said in # 103.
im just really curios and do not know.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:02 pm
i spelled curious wrong
November 21st, 2008 at 2:11 pm
THe Evil wiki: Propaganda is the dissemination of information aimed at influencing the opinions or behaviors of large numbers of people.
I’m not saying Don’t say it but please give it a more rounded Worldly approach.
If I’m not mistaken the list is “Gender Inequality”, Am I quoting you right? Why didn’t you call it “Ten Extreme Examples of Female Subjugation” It’s a little more accurate for this list.
Gender = Female and Male. Not just female. Is it too much to ask for equality in a list that could relate to both sexes?
November 21st, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Sugen, you’re picking extremely petty points to try to argue that men have it as bad as women. Do you honestly believe any of the examples you cited are anywhere on the same level as not being able to drive or leave the country, not being able to attend school, having ACID THROWN IN YOUR FACE if you refuse to wear a veil, female babies being killed, violence against women, etc. etc.?
Even if your examples are minor instances of inequality, it’s like saying, “But affirmative action kept me from getting accepted to college this one time, because I’m white!!” on a list about slavery.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Crimanon, similarly, while those are (mostly petty) examples of inequality, none are nearly as serious as the ones on the list. The fact that the bulk of them occur in Islamic nations should be a wake-up call, not a call to defend and produce excuses for horrible cruelty, violence, and injustice.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
@Crimanon: This list is called EXTREME examples of gender inequality. Sure, you did list examples of gender inequality in the west, and good ones too; but at least the women aren’t getting killed for being a woman at the wrong time and place.
Also, if you’re gonna call Islam a cult, guess what? Christianity is just as much of a cult as Islam is; I mean, come on; “I’m the son of god, everything I say is right, and you should drop your belongings and sacrifice everything for me” screams CULT to me. At least Muhammed didn’t call himself God.
I’m an atheist, and I do have a big problem against organized religion (I’m fine when it’s not organized though). Islam by itself is not any more or less than a cult than Christianity is. The difference is that in very poor countries, people are more likely to pick up radical and extreme ideas (religious extremism and totalitarian states are the most common examples). As such, there is a difference between how western Christians behave, and how middle-eastern Muslims or Hindus behave. If you look at how western muslims behave, or those that have higher standards of living, they’re just like any Christians.
And honestly, guys, the sexism against men is INCOMPARABLE to the sexism against women. Even in western countries; really, all this stupid sex advertisements in the U.S. are disgusting at how they make women – no, young girls – feel worthless just because they’re not 100% attractive to the opposite gender; It’s getting worse, they’re selling thongs to 12 year old girls. Look at the disney princess movies and what they say; women’s unhappiness will go 100% away when they get married, and that should pretty much be their goal in life. Look at the women that were successful, and see how they’re not taken seriously pretty much because they’re women (Clinton, Palin). Hear how my ex-boyfriend felt upset that I wouldn’t allow him to bring a second women to our bed, but promptly shut up when I mentioned me bringing a second guy into bed. What on earth gave him that idea that it’d be different? Why do teenage girls wear those short, short miniskirts?
Yes, feminists should be concerned first when it comes with these women on the list, but the fact is that we still have long, LONG ways to go – and it’s getting worse in this era of capitalism.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:25 pm
This list is about INEQUALITY, right there in the title. And I didn’t say men had it worse, I know for a fact that they don’t, it’s easier when you’re testiclier.
What I’m saying is that I expected to see a little of both sides, not how much men suck.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Reyairia: Cult? Your words not mine. I could care less what a person believes unless it gets in my way. If you want to discuss this further I recommend …http://listverse.com/crime/7-terrible-abuses-suffered-by-women-around-the-world/.
Pretty good info on how to fight back against “What those pigs are doing to us.”
November 21st, 2008 at 2:32 pm
See my point Rush, It’s nothing personal. But this is just a hammed up revisit of an old list.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:45 pm
You’re a little late on that, Crimanon. I’ve been giving links to my other list all day. I’d say it’s more of a Part II than a “hammed up revisit” if you ask me. And, no. I don’t see your point. I would think you’d much prefer the other list as it is more multi-national, as seems to be your standard for good list-writing.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:48 pm
I was referring to the “cult” part to anyone to referred to Islam as a cult, a cruel religion of some sort, or anything related to those two.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:50 pm
Before Islam there probably were some pagan religions and Jews in Arabia. Pagan religions are more gender equal, They in fact pray to mother goddesses (nature as mother). Given that I think women probably were happier then.
Now comes Islam with male dominated system and consequently womens rights are oppressed. It is plain as day. Whoever says otherwise is brainwashed or else living in denial. Good luck!
111. Reyaria – I agree with you that Christianity is as much a cult as Islam, but currently a Christian would not be killed or burned for saying what he feels wrong about Christianity or simply denouncing it. Islam as a culture has not made that progress.
November 21st, 2008 at 2:57 pm
After reading most of the comments I asked myself why is there no mention in the defense of Islam(maybe I missed it) that the people really responsible for propagandizing Islam are those whose exploit its definitiveness to abuse fellow humans and uproot the very morals Islam stands for in the first place. While the list may seem slanted it points to fact and law, for the most part, and why these laws exist in the name of Islam is the blasphemy and should call for the louder cry.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:04 pm
Male circumcision Jews love that! Genital mutilation (male). How many girls do you see celebrating their Bris? not much foreskin to remove.
Castration for the purpose of entertainment (Castrato). Little girls don’t need their ovaries removed to make their voices higher.
I guess not too many people care to read your earlier works.
November 21st, 2008 at 3:09 pm
“Before Islam there probably were some pagan religions and Jews in Arabia. Pagan religions are more gender equal, They in fact pray to mother goddesses (nature as mother). Given that I think women probably were happier then.”
You could say the same about Europe before Christianity was introduced – or, more accurately, forced. (Non-christians were persecuted) Christianity is also a male dominated system, also as plain as day for reasons already explained.
Islam did have more rights for women earlier in the millenium (in contrast to Christianity earlier in the millenium). Earlier it was the Ottomans (muslims) who had come to Europe and called it poor, uneducated, and unequal. Now simply the reverse has happened. Yes, it is true that there is much more gender inequality in dominantly Islamic countries than in Christian dominated ones HOWEVER it is because of the people’s current INTERPRETATION of their religion, not the religion itself.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
I haven’t read every comment, but I’ve seen several people blame religion for these atrocities. I have a feeling the discrimination is so ingrained in the culture that if there was no religion, people would base these legislations on something else.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:41 pm
Theduke 96 quotes the Koran in the same way that many Jews and Christians do the same story: God created Adam from whom he created Eve.
There are two creation stories in Genesis. God > Adam > Eve is in the second version. The first version has God creating man/men/woman/women co-equally together.
The two versions, taken literally, are mutually irreconcilable, which is a fact that most biblical fundamentalists ignore most of the time.
Don’t blame religion for everything. I have no doubt that the same sorts of things happened in cave-dwelling societies and in head-hunting tribes of Brazil and Borneo.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:46 pm
Great list rushfan.
I do not understand why there’s so much hate for this list. The title is “10 Extreme Examples of Gender Inequality”, not “10 Extreme Examples of Why Islam Sucks”. Grow up, there’s no mention of Islam in the list, only from a few commentors.
Though it is true that the list should at least be renamed, if not have 2 examples where men are treated inequally. A random one off the top of my head is being forced to serve in the military when a certain age is reached. But I do see that it is difficult to compare/find injustices towards males that are on the same level as the ones mentioned in the list. It is not like any person can share with us the experience of both circumcision and having err parts sewn together.
November 21st, 2008 at 4:56 pm
I’m from Papua New Guinea, most of our traditional culture is pretty much male domminated. womens rights are slowly being recognized. It’s not always religion, it’s how mentally fucked a society is.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
thats sad =[
November 21st, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Crimanon: “What I’m saying is that I expected to see a little of both sides, not how much men suck.”
This is not about giving equal blame to both sexes. This is not about you blaming a few women so you don’t feel like as much of a jerk. This is about putting a spotlight on extreme examples of gender inequality — exactly what it says in the title.
Go find a modern, extreme example of men being oppressed — as in, a society where all men have their rights stripped away and their lives in danger. There’s no affirmative action for victims, I’m afraid.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:23 pm
The inequality in male-2-female ratio gives rise to many other social injustices like Polyandry, Import(smuggling) of women from other cultures to name a few and increased crime rate. What will an average man do without some one to love ? porn, prostitutes, fights, then it is tailspin.
Any culture that lives in strife and struggle, ends up mistreating their women. My friend’s happy marriage fell flat because of his “war rages” after he returned from duty.
Love and Peace everyone, God bless,
November 21st, 2008 at 5:43 pm
And I quote,
“60. Kelsi: I don’t think female genital mutilation really qualifies as inequality since male genital mutilation is practiced much more widely than the female version. Granted, the female version is more horrific and painful, but still…”
Give me a fucking break man. Acid in women’s faces, needless pain, religious extremism? Think of your mother for God’s sake. Think of basic human decency. And don’t get into the culture clash, regardless of culture or religion there is the concept of human decency, isn’t there? If not, then the hell to you and your semantics.
November 21st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
I might just go outside and kiss my great Aussie backyard and be forever thankful for being born in this great country. If we have any inequality in this country, we should all be grateful we have the right and responsibility to do something about it.
November 21st, 2008 at 6:17 pm
which country gives women the most rights? the united states. which country is suffering through a depression? the united states. coincidence?…
November 21st, 2008 at 6:25 pm
I find it hilarious that the first related list is 10 Images of Irony, that is great. . .
November 21st, 2008 at 7:05 pm
Crimanon.
I don’t usually feel the need to respond to these lists, but your comments have called to me.
Propaganda: While this list is biased towards a certain geographical area, you do have to admit that they are extreme(as stated in the title) examples of inequality and are simply pointing out where the extremists are.
Fear: I think this inspires less fear and more anger for most people. This inspires anger. This is a list that shows the world what the hell is going on out there. Informing people of the things that happen, and while I do think that this list should be carried on in looking at other inequalities you have to admit that it is a good thing to show the world the horrific things that go on.
American Custody Rights: Yes they are a problem. Obviously. People are biased towards the mother because they assume that with her maternal instinct and love she will protect and care for the child to a greater degree. Sometimes it’s true. Sometimes it’s gravely not.
Domestic Abuse Of Men: Again. Another problem. But the truth is that the amount of abuse towards men is much much smaller that abuse towards women and children. And I do know a girl who’s boyfriend attacked her because she broke up with him. She hit him in the head with a lamp to get away. He claimed that she abused him.
Mormon Churches: Religious extremism. It’s everywhere. Christianity, Hindu, Islam.
I can’t comment on the Shriners. It is new to me.
No female presidents or VPs: Women have been running for office in the Unites States before they could legally vote. The main problem is that women have not run in the two main parties. All women Presidential and VP canidates have been running in independent parties. A woman hasn’t been voted into the position yet, just as many men haven’t as well. Also, women in America are still dealing with sexism today. They usually are not physically destroyed by it though.
“What I’m saying is that I expected to see a little of both sides, not how much men suck.”
The problem with that statement is while there are parts about how much men suck in it, there is also the fact that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who’s photo appears in the Victims of Violence section had her lady bits sewn up at the command of her grandmother. It is not only men who push this, but extremist women as well.
Male circumcision: Began as a rite into adulthood, a way to increase pleasure, and as an aid to basic cleanliness in places where bathing all the time wasn’t really an option.
Castrato: Was outlawed. The last castrato died in the beginning of the 20th century. It was a creepy thing that some crazy catholics or what have you came up with. The point is, people realized that chopping little boys balls off isn’t the nicest thing to do. Just like sewing a little girl up so she’ll bleed more when she first has sex isn’t particularly the nicest thing to do.
Also, Crimanon, one thing that I find most disturbing about all that you have talked about on this board is your complete lack of horror at these going ons.
There is only your talk about how you don’t think the list was written correctly and that is it skewed.
Where is your compassion for your fellow human being?
November 21st, 2008 at 7:35 pm
I doubt its a coincidence that nearly all of these happen exclusively in the middle east.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:38 pm
YES, Victoria!
“Where is your compassion for your fellow human being?”
Crimanon, please respond to this question directly. Don’t take side roads, answer this question for all of us who are trying to understand, “acid in women’s faces”, etc. I would love to hear your rationalization.
November 21st, 2008 at 7:44 pm
Goddamn, me (#130)! What brilliant logic you’ve got going there! Are you an edumacated man?
November 21st, 2008 at 8:03 pm
me (130) What does one have to do with the other? That’s like saying more ice cream is sold in July and more people drown in July. Therefore ice cream causes people to drown. It makes no sense.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:16 pm
Apologies if this has already been mentioned, I didn’t have time to read all of the comments. In some South American countries, a women under 40 can only be employed if she has had a hysterectomy, presumably so the employer will not have to worry about lost time for maternity leave. This is an example of gross inequality which occurs outside a Muslim country.
I also noticed some comments about the inequality of, for instance, women being promoted ahead of women. There is such a thing as ‘positive discrimination’ which allows such things to happen. It could mean promoting women ahead of men or indigenous instead of non-indigenous etc, it is perfectly legal (at least in Australia) and an acknowledged way of trying to remove the glass ceiling.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:22 pm
PJ (135) No he’s just retarted. (And if no one remembers this joke, Im the one who looks retarted!!)
November 21st, 2008 at 8:26 pm
“Where is your compassion for your fellow human being?”, eh, just call me Jaded. A human rights violation is an everyday thing in my world.
When I can actually place my hands on it, then it’s my problem. Screaming at a corrupt government to stop just isn’t as effective as shooting up the place after your sister is openly violated in a holding cell by an officer.
“There is only your talk about how you don’t think the list was written correctly and that is it skewed”; Actually it’s very well written, just not properly titled.
I’ll continue this after I read what has just been posted……
November 21st, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Vera Lynn: I remember. I think it’s LU folklore by now.
A little while ago, some regular asked “In what discussion was the word ‘retarted’ first used?” I don’t think anyone actually answered that. Does anyone know?
November 21st, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Vera Lynn! LOL! Retarted! I can’t begin to tell you how many retarts there have been of late. Oh my.
And where have you been, girl? I’ve been slugging away at trolz, getting my nick stolen and having things said such that bigski’s jaw dropped and hit the floor! (You can imagine how bad it had to be)
I’ve been , I am, within an inch of bidding LV adieu. It takes so much out of me to put up with the retarts and trolz.
Tonight isn’t the time for decision making. The pain is too great. I make errors in judgment when my pain is this bad.
Tomorrow. After sleep and meds. Oh Lord, it’s just been a bad, bad week.
November 21st, 2008 at 8:37 pm
“Also, Crimanon, one thing that I find most disturbing about all that you have talked about on this board is your complete lack of horror at these going ons.” It’s so good to know that my feeling on these matters have been Broadcast across the internet and imbeded into the minds of my readers. Awesome Site Update Jamie!!!!!
November 21st, 2008 at 9:25 pm
astraya (140)
segue (141)Thanks you guys! I don’t remember, but that was the funniest. It might’ve been me who asked. I don’t know. We are old-timers here and share a lot of history. It’s nice. I don’t mean “old” I mean we’ve been here at LV a long time.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:30 pm
I know this isnt extreme but:
A man is expected to pay for everything in the US. This website has also condoned this in the top 10 tips of a date. This is ridiculous, considering how it demeans a woman in saying she isnt equal to a man.
Furthermore inequality goes both ways. In the US its skewed a lot of the time.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:42 pm
Snapple Fact #335: Saudi Arabia has the lowest vehicle accident rate in the world.
November 21st, 2008 at 9:54 pm
A lot of people have said this but some don’t get it..these arent the laws of Islam they are the laws of people in a culture where Islam happens to be practiced. However, these beliefs waaaaay pre-dated Islam. Women in the middle east wore veils and were forced into locked marriages when Alexander conquered the area. But those definitely arent rules just from the religion. I live near the place where the first mosque in america was , so I see muslims every day..they look like normal people here because that is their CULTURE not their RELIGION. Those saying christianity would never do this..maybe not where you live, but the culture could be different somewhere else and those beliefs are often sewn into religious practices
November 21st, 2008 at 9:59 pm
I used to care about this “injustice.” But it’s only the outsiders who can see the issue with these customs. In many cultures domestic abuse is seen as a sign of love. Doesn’t make sense to me. But who am I to interfere in such an overt manner?
November 21st, 2008 at 10:11 pm
Here’s the most applicable statistics to this topic; the Global Gender Gap Report:
In order of equality:
Norway
Finland
Sweden
Iceland
N. Zealand
Philippines
Denmark
Ireland
Netherlands
Latvia
Germany
Sri Lanka
United Kingdom
Switzerland
France
Lesotho
Spain
Mozambique
Trinidad and Tobago
Moldova
Australia
Where’s the US on this list?
November 21st, 2008 at 10:41 pm
The Problem is Islam it seems
November 21st, 2008 at 10:49 pm
It’s not Islam, the list is just Islam intensive.
Which was my point to begin with.
November 21st, 2008 at 10:51 pm
132. Victoria
Enjoyed your response to Crimanon. It was well thought out and addressed almost all of his points. I think I feel as Crimanon does, that everything that rushfan has expressed on this list is accurate and relevant. I do not want to create a list titled 10 extreme examples of male discrimination. It would in no way compare with the list above.
The problem is the word inequality with me. Rushfan has given a list of egregious examples of inequality. Inequality exists among sexes in all cultures, religions, countries, continents, etc..
I was surprised at some of the comments from the Middle East women who were offended by the apparent attack upon them. It is not their fault that they live in a region or society where this is prevalent, yet they were privileged enough that they are not affected. I do not believe that the women affected by the abuses described above would be respond in this forum. If there are women in this position, I encourage them to respond. Unfortunately, the ones who are affected are probably unable to respond.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:05 pm
146. ben
I agree that the religion itself is not propagating these atrocities. Leaders in power in these countries have enacted laws that cause these discriminations to occur.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:26 pm
143. Vera Lynn: The first mention of retart I recall was in a post by a troll. The troll was trying to call someone a retard and (among a bunch of other misspellings and errors of syntax and tense) called the other poster a retart.
I don’t remember the list, or any details, but I do remember we got onto a “retart” kick for several weeks thereafter, almost to the point of the ridiculous. (Well past the point of the ridiculous probably, but it was so much fun nobody wanted to say “enough!”)
Ah, those were the days.
November 21st, 2008 at 11:48 pm
China’s one child policy kills baby girl??? what century are you living in???
November 21st, 2008 at 11:50 pm
153. segue
(Tongue in cheek)
You are a retart
(Takes tongue out of cheek)
November 21st, 2008 at 11:54 pm
Mr.K, the policy leads many chinese people to commit infanticide on young female babies so that they can try to have a boy, since in chinese culture boys are far more cherished than girls
November 21st, 2008 at 11:55 pm
I think the
(Tongue in cheek)
paste comment
(Takes tongue out of cheek)
Posting should be common among all members. Not sure who did it first, but it is a classic,.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:02 am
103 nikki: Im a lot more sure than you are, Islam IS the fastset growing religion & there is no doubt about that. You cant say most of our tv channels lie & the internet even more ?? christianity may be a close second but without doubt, Islam is the fastest growing religion.
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:04 am
Good list Rushfan although I do think mention of the gender suppression in Africa or South America might have done wonders; it would have prevented it from being perceived as Muslim bashing. Gender inequality is prevalent in pretty much all patriarchal societies. Including fundamentalist christian sects in both the USA and Canada. The 13 year old with the 65 year old husband is just as horrifying in southern Alberta/Colorado as it is in Saudi Arabia.
You also neglected to mention pre-war Iraq in your list of middle eastern countries that afford citizenship and some semblance of rights to women. Women were full citizens with the right to vote, own their own property, hold full seats in government. They were teachers, doctors and lawyers. Not now of course, that’s been ruined. While of course the Sheiks in Saudi Arabia have had their rule reinforced. Wonder why that is?
http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/IraqCoverage/story?id=666790
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:17 am
always loved this site. first time i’ve posted tho.
this list was such a humbling read. i’m 26 and my subordinates at work are in their late 40s. it took me a whole year to get a salary equal to theirs (bse apparently they’re guys and have families to support) and i’m still working at getting the appropriate salary for my job grade bse apparently my age and level of experience wasn’t an issue when it came to giving me this job but is when it comes to getting paid for it.
my point is, when i think abt the fact that women cant drive or go to school and have to dress a certain way in so many countries in the 21st century!! it blows my mind.
Thanks for a really thought provoking list Rushfan
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 am
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=3835
now any doubt about which religion is the fastest growing ?? christianity is sixth, while some guy with great intellect was sayin it was first & ironically tellin me to do research. All i can say is that … he was stupid
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:27 am
hey you idiot!!!
why do you insult islam
looks like you had empty garbage topic so you would insult the other
its no strange about the rule, even other religion have more bizzare rule
respect the other
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:35 am
http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/
http://www.geocities.com/Pentagon/3016/fastest.htm
November 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 am
103 nikki: Need any thing more to prove islam IS the fastest growing religion? If i was you, i would regret saying crap.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:10 am
I would just like to say all the Islam hate is totally uncalled for. It has become a fashion in America to badmouth muslims and islam. True, there are many countries that are islamic that show backward views and unjust laws, but they are countries that practice islam, not the speakers of the teachings of islam. The understanding and practice of a religion is based on individual perspective. This perspective can change many things.
I am from Turkey, an islamic country that has mnay of the views of the west. For example women’s suffrage in Turkey came earlier than many western european countries, evne before Britain. But there are still people in Turkey such as the current president who are trying to take away the rights that were given to women decades ago, but that’s a different story.
What I am trying to show is that it is individuals that cause these horrors having religion as the excuse, not the religion itself.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:09 am
I think whoever wrote this has some sort of bone to pick with Israel. They act like ultra-Orthodox Jewish law is Israeli law. FYI: it’s not.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 am
im just going to throw my opinion out on the islam and stuff.
i really think that even though islam might be a good thing to many people the way christianity is good to many people, muslims tend to be judged by the way the countries with the most islamic people act the same way americans are judged by the way their government acts. either way it is easy to judge people who are differant than other people but from the way i see things (and this is just my stupid point of view) i do not like islam from the thigs i read and watch about it. thislist just gives me more reasons
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:47 am
All I hear is WAAH.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:33 am
Woah, and here i was just being happy to be first to comment here. I come back to this list finding a intense debate of near apocalyptic and World War 3 proportions, hahaha.
Imagine, 165 comments on this list in less than 24 hours. Incredible.
November 22nd, 2008 at 8:50 am
yet another list made with the feminist agenda in mind.
feminism was conceived by white european women in response to the “unequal” and “unfair” treatment they were getting from their white european male “masters.” By their narcissism and ignorance of foreign “inferior” cultures they sought to “educate” the peoples in colonized territories by “empowering” the native women.
that is why there are so many idiot liberals out there screaming for “women empowerment,” i.e. female>male.
men&women are NOT equal and were never meant to be, but that does not necessarily imply that one is better than the other. example: men may be better at motor skills and logic, but this does not automatically mean that they are better. women complement them by excelling in the other areas where they are lacking, like verbal and interpersonal skills.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 am
This list would have been better had examples from other parts of the world been used- they can certainly be found.
Recently, the head of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints was sent to prison. While the cases against him were winding through court, a local politican for either Arizona or Utah (don’t remember which) stated that a corner of his state was “worse than under the Taliban.” Perhaps a slight exaggeration there.
A man is given free reign over his family. A woman can’t leave him, and if another man tries to intervene on her behalf, he is penalized for “interfering in another man’s marriage.” Many of the local police are part of the religion, so are little help to women seeking to leave. The FLDS communities are fairly isolated, and many people who want to leave or who are sent out have little education and no contacts outside the community.
Another recent example was the shooting death of 14 female engineering students in Montreal in 1989. The mentally deranged killer was opposed to women pursuing higher education.
While perhaps not “extreme”, the lopsided approach to appearance also rankles me (I do what I can with my looks, but I’m no runway model). If a woman is not drop-dead gorgeous, it’s almost a character flaw- it’s not uncommon for a man to state he will not date a certain woman “because she’s fugly.” Does losing the genetic lottery make you unworthy of love? Whatever flak Islam gets, one thing that’s ensured with women covering themselves is that it’s their personality that detrmines friends and suitors- not their beauty or lack thereof.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:30 am
Yeah, right, Ali Hayat.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:42 am
I have a great news:MICHAEL JACKSON has become a Muslim — and changed his name to MIKAEEL.
Islam is really the fastest growing religion.
Thanks, Ali Hayat
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 am
To the people who keep attacking Islam: Please, Stop commenting on this list. Your offensive comments are too much.
To people who keep defending Islam: Please, dont try to preach Islam here. These people will never understand, your efforts are useless. They will keep criticizing Islam no matter what you say.
Altogether, dont drag religion into all this stuff. Please.
Hope I am not “provoked” to comment on this list again.
Peace.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:34 am
157. shadow:…paste comment…
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LOL!
I didn’t even make the paste comment on this list, yet you were kind enough to remember and comment on it.
Oh, we’ve had some good times over the last year+! shadow, you are going to love it here, I can already tell you are a good person – funny and smart. Exactly the sort who survive LV.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:48 am
@rushfan
yes am Jordanian, and i Live in Jordan right now
we dont have such a thing !! the article is obviously wrong
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Face it, Saudi Arabia is nothing more than Afghanistan with lots of oil. That’s the only reason Dubya holds their hands.
#173 — That may be the first Jehovah’s Witness -> Islam conversion in history.
November 22nd, 2008 at 1:29 pm
Wow, imagine what this list would be like if the author wasn’t a Rush fan. You know, like all the other Rush sheeple, thinking that a woman’s place is in the kitchen and all.
November 22nd, 2008 at 3:22 pm
What about male inequalities?
In most countries female circumcision is ‘female genital mutilation’, illegal, and highly frowned upon. At the same time, male cirumcision is legal, and sometimes reccomended by healthcare professionals.
Although they are far outstripped by female injustices, male injustices do exist.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
#178 Do you mean “rushisamoron” ? Or did you REALLY mean to put rushisamaroon? A maroon what?
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:34 pm
…FGM and male circumcision are completely different things. While I completely agree that there are injustices against males – mostly psychosocial and in part perpetrated by malecentric cultures which inherently place traditionally “masculine” traits on a pedestal – this is /not/ one of them. The medical benefits of male circumcision are still under debate, but FGM is all harm and no benefit. Consider that it’s often done in extremely primitive and unsanitary conditions, with almost no standardization or control.
Of course, I believe there /are/ some women who voluntarily undergo plastic surgery on their genitals/pubic area. That’s something else entirely.
November 22nd, 2008 at 4:59 pm
wow…this article is really good. I didn’t know it was that bad in some of these countries.
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:39 pm
180. Vera Lynn: I’ve been finding the most absurd misspellings all over LV in the last few days. It’s as if they opened the doors of the retarted asylum and let out the inmates! lol!
I’m serious, though. Just take a quick around. You’ll be astonished. Apparently what passes for an education today is a joke ( no offense, you aren’t in charge of the system!), and kids graduate with the barest grasp of sentence structure, math, spelling…it’s pathetic. I feel sorry for them, but that doesn’t stop me from having a good time with the results. ;-D
November 22nd, 2008 at 5:53 pm
What I find interesting about this list, although heavy on Islam, is that religious beliefs have been used for a couple of thousand years to vilify women. Heck, for 1600 years, religion was a way to keep the “peasants” down in the West.
Until religious belief is tempered, no one will be truly equal.
November 22nd, 2008 at 6:06 pm
segue (183) I think it has less to do with education than with Text Speak. There are short cuts everywhere and people get sloppy. It becomes ignorance when they don’t realize it. Then it’s hilarious.
BTW “misspelled” is one of the most misspelled words ever. That’s funny, too.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:11 pm
Interesting how NONE of these are an issue in the United States of America and yet, when you hear the likes of Hillary Clinton and the liberal left, women in America are still being dragged around by their hair. Of course, these “vocal” women wouldn’t CONSIDER traveling to the Mid-East to right these wrongs now would they?
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:15 pm
185. Vera Lynn:…BTW “misspelled” is one of the most misspelled words ever. That’s funny, too.
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My husband and I were gauffawing over that very thing earlier today, when I came upon a list of signs which were misspelled, including a school crossing sign painted on the road. School was spelled shcool!
We then got onto other misspellings, and found that indeed, misspell was very often misspelled. Another round of merriment ensued!
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:16 pm
Segue strikes again!
“I’ve been finding the most absurd misspellings all over LV in the last few days. It’s as if they opened the doors of the retarted asylum and let out the inmates! lol!”
That second ‘t’ should have been a ‘d’ Please find your keeper and have them let you back in again.
Are there not almost as Extreme examples of Gender inequality in places OTHER than the Islamic nations – or India?
Or is maybe, the author of the list a a Religious Bigot?
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:19 pm
PS – sorry about that ‘double a’ at the end of the last posting – think I need a new keyboard – this one seems to ‘hestitate/freeze’ and then spit out multiples of a last key struck or simply ignore what WAS struck and compress the phrases.
Anyone got any ‘fixxit’ suggestions – it’s a Microsoft Cordless model and only about 18 months old
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 pm
its easy for mankind to commit such atrocious acts and falsely use religion as a scapegoat. Who goes around throwing acid? I am positive the Islamic way is to consult politely not use violence of any sort.
I dont understand why people have issues with muslim women covering themselves. Its obviously done to protect themselves from being violated. Imagine there are twin super models walking down the street. One is wearing a burqa and the other one is wearing tight clothes that reveal her figure…..who is more likely to get raped by a stranger? We all know men are perverts (trust me I know my gender very well) and that is the only logical way to avoid such a thing. What else would you have them do? Have women wear a chastity belt or have men chop their nuts off?
Ofcourse women arent allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia……..hehe because they are bad drivers right right……no its because if a group of men driving in a car see a female driving by herself, they will probably tail her and cause all kinds of problems.
When I saw the subtitle “right to travel” I thought you meant that women arent allowed to leave the house unless they have a male accompanying them. I lived in saudi arabia for a long time and this is the first time i am hearing of a note needed from the husband in order for the woman to travel abroad. Anyway, yeah women are not allowed to leave the house without a male because………uh well woman alone….. not so safe
Ofcourse this may not necessarily happen to them but why take the risk in the first place? Women in the east treasure their virginity as much as their life. Taking it away is like snatching their ability to breathe. No wonder alot of rape victims commit suicide.
Also Id like to shed some insight on female infacticide in India. Dont know much about china, but the female ifanticide in India is mostly in rural areas where you will definitely find a lack of education. Do they do this because they hate females? No not really……..its because of poverty. India loves the dowry system, especially the groom’s family whose initial demands are money…..bride comes second hahaha yup the father has to pay money out of his pocket so that the groom accepts his child……………lets also not forget that the responsibility of all the wedding expenses rest on the bride’s father with not a single penny spent by the groom’s family. No money –> no dowry —> no wedding —> disgrace to family. Many say poverty causes people to take drastic measures taken………yeah thats sadly one of them.
November 22nd, 2008 at 7:54 pm
O One who Sighs:
Look at your rationales and tell me that they aren’t indicative of gender inequality. Kthx.
November 22nd, 2008 at 9:54 pm
Muttley (188)
segue did that on purpose. It’s an old LV joke. If you were to read the previous comments, u might get it. She (segue) is smarter than us all. Start at 136-140. Don’t ever dis segue. Her humor, wit, and compassion are legendary.
November 22nd, 2008 at 10:58 pm
Aoede
lmao I am sighing because of retards falsely insulting a religion not because someone made a list that makes my gender look bad. Relax. Hope you understand I am not defending the things that have happened here, I am trying to explain why it is that way. There is a reason why rules are made. Nothing happens for the heck of it. kthnx
November 22nd, 2008 at 11:14 pm
sign…: Wow women have to sacrifice so much because guys can’t control themselves. It sounds like cutting men’s balls off sounds like a better idea. What do women do to deserve having their rights stripped away?
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:22 am
#179 Jim:
Female circumcision and male circumcision are on two entirely different levels. The amount of excruciating pain, injury, and infection risk involved with male circumcision is infinitesimal compared to that with female. Female circumcision makes intercourse excruciating and can make the simple act of going to the bathroom a painful 15-minute ordeal. Women have died from female circumcision.
Please, please research this an educate yourself before you post about a subject you clearly have no knowledge of.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:33 am
#170 joanne
I echo a previous sentiment: Where is your sense of compassion for your fellow human being?
You’re responding to a list about real life death and horror and raving about politics. You seem to put a lot of stock in “biological differences” between men and women. Are you trying to say the victims of these “extreme examples of gender inequality” deserve to be treated like this? Are people who fight for the rights of women to attend school and not wear veils and live free of violence saying “female>male,” as you say?
The easiest way to silence a cause is to convince people there is no problem. This is how “feminism” was turned into a dirty word.
And as a logical woman with poor social skills, I take issue with your attempts to box people into categories.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:57 am
“What do women do to deserve having their rights stripped away?”
They live in a sick world that does not know respect and humility. Face it, women are treated like crap almost everywhere around the world. I am not condoning it just stating the obvious.
Maybe difficult to believe but in some parts of the world, they take defending a woman’s honour and virtue very seriously. Hell a guy got beheaded in saudi arabia because he sneaked into a girl’s room, used his cell phone to take pics of her naked and sent it to his friends a couple of years ago.
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:32 am
#192 Vera Lynne
You wrote “Don’t ever dis segue. Her humor, wit, and compassion are legendary.”
So Segue’s use of the word ‘retarded’ (even ‘deliberately’ misspelled) is witty and/or compassionate???
As the parent of a child with severe Asperger’s Syndrome, another with a mild form of the condition and who suffers from it myself – I find her use of the word ‘retarded’ to be immensely offensive and not even a LITLE bit witty. She may be, as you say smart – but not smart enough NOT to use a term – as did others – which are offensive to the parents/family of those affected.
I also get snaky when people use the word ’spastic’ to indicate someone has said or done something silly.
If people on this list have any ‘compassion’ they will never use these terms again – EVER
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 am
Jfreater and Cyn
You might want to look at and delete comment #194 by Womensux. It’s innappropiate IMHO.
November 23rd, 2008 at 3:34 am
Of course I meant Jfrater and Cyn.
November 23rd, 2008 at 4:23 am
Muttley (199)Do you mean “LITTLE”? You don’t know the history. My family had 2 babies that died because their brains were so undeveloped. It’s not poking fun at people who have a disability. It’s poking fun at the commenter who first wrote “retarted” instead of “retarded” when he was rebutting someone. It’s a LV thing. segue is the most compassionate, kind person here. Ever. Trust me on this.I’m sorry you felt insulted. It was not our intention.
November 23rd, 2008 at 12:31 pm
# 190. “sigh….”
I’ll explain why people have an issue with Muslim women covering themselves. I understand that you believe burqas benefit women by preventing harassment from males. One of the things we have a problem with is the fact that women are essentially given no choice. That’s the essence of inequality. Women should be able to decide whether or not to wear a burqa, drive, or leave the house on their own terms. It is not a benefit to anyone but men when a woman’s choices are restricted, whether by law or by a perceived threat. As stated previously, it is unfair to take women’s rights away because men are unable to control themselves.
Comparing cultures is always tricky because people tend to conclude that one culture as a whole is better than another, which is simply not the case. However, when a culture strips away the rights of a specified portion of its population (in this case, women), that aspect of it must be actively admonished. In the United States, our treatment of women is notably inferior to Finland, and I’ll be among the first to criticize my culture for its shortcomings.
# 197. “sigh….”
Beheading is quite an extreme example. I don’t believe overzealous punishments will aid the fight for equality, frankly. To place emphasis on virginity or physical attributes as the source of a female’s honor and virtue is a pretty common form of sexism in the West as well.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:10 pm
SOD did a song about the middle east.
November 23rd, 2008 at 1:14 pm
I should clarify my last post. I realize that burqas or similar coverings are not universally required. Indeed, women ARE given the choice to not wear them in places like Kabul (where, incidentally, burqa usage is showing a decline) while the requirement “unofficially” remains in other parts of Afghanistan.
But, as I said in my last post, “It is not a benefit to anyone but men when a woman’s choices are restricted, whether by law or by a perceived threat.” And, of course, there are examples (such as the ones cited in this list) of why that “choice” is really no choice at all.
November 23rd, 2008 at 7:17 pm
Disgusting what muslim males will try to do to control women!
And I was BORN A MUSLIM MALE.
I grew up with three older sisters and they definitely taught me a healthy respect for females…
As it was stated earlier, what will men do when there aren’t enough women?
You are already seeing this in China where the average man finds it hard to get a wife, because they’re being courted by richer men (this is in no way a statement of women solely going after the money!
) But still they persist with the belief that the male child is “better”…
And the fact that it is considered the woman’s fault for being raped for showing some ankle and yet never consider that the man SHOULD HAVE MORE SELF CONTROL.
Simply disgusting and backward. No matter what spin you put on it there is no excuse.
November 23rd, 2008 at 8:34 pm
Joanne 170#
I honestly can’t believe that comment came out of a human beings mouth ,never mind a woman’s. This list is showing how women are persecuted throughout the world because of self-righteous patriarchal societies and you go and basically say that it’s right. So help your daughters if you have any or have them in the future, if you’re preaching that women are not equal to men. Men and women may not have the same attributes but in no way does that mean they do not deserve the same rights.
I’m actually in a state of shock that someone could be so ignorant
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:36 pm
Wow. That article was depressing.
November 23rd, 2008 at 9:48 pm
Vera Lynn (2010) yes I did mean ‘little’ – my keyboard sucks at present – letters (especially doubles) not registering or registering extra strokes that weren’t made etc: I think I need a new one, but this one was supposed to be a top-range model and is only about 18 months old
I am sincerely sorry to hear of the birth abnormalities and deceasements suffered as a result – having been a paramedic who attended SIDS-related deaths and (to a lesser extent) having my own wife suffer a miscarriage of a much-wanted child I can honestly relate to the pain your family felt and sympathise fully – I am not being flippant, I don’t write something I don’t mean – though occasional light-hearted remarks frequently get misinterpreted (but maybe that’s my Aspie nature coming out. I sometimes don’t realise what I say is not generally correct at the time.
No apologies are necessary – I tend to be a little thin-skinned over words like those and have even hauled (on one occasion) a senior sporting captain over the coals for using one of them and threatened to book him. I grew up getting called those names because I was ‘odd’, ‘quirky’, ‘weird’, eccentric etc. and I react strongly in defence of my boys who I don’t wish to go through what I had to put up with.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:48 am
I know that the US is divided as pro-life & pro-choice. if only they could see what’s happening in India?
It’s a shame that the country that prays to wealth GODDESS, education GODDESS, courage GODDESS has the highest rate of girl foetus abortion. I am ashamed of my country’s record. To the millions of aborted babies, please forgive this nation for our stupid action.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:06 pm
Mawe(59) I admit that I did not do a detailed complete analysis of web sources covering the marriage history and habits of Mohammed. I merely found the numbers and relationships interesting. Were I a practicing historian of religeous and social marital practices around the world, I’m sure I could have given more than a simple web site reference of generic interest for one’s perusal.
Oh, and something history has shown me over the years – it is not always necessarily ‘best’ for the victor (or practitioner in this case) to write the history. Too often, history is what they say it was, rather than what it really was… agendas and perspectives can be powerful things. I guess that’s why history CAN and occasionally SHOULD be re-written.
November 24th, 2008 at 12:08 pm
grr… *religious* I hate typos.
November 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pm
Wow… Ok, so I was going to look at the site with the Muhammed wives but “Traditional Religions” is blocked by Websense at my job… Ridiculous…
Anyway, after reading all 211 posts, I just had to add my two cents… I agree that you cannot blame religion for the mistakes (and extremist interpretations) of some people. Religion is not about explaining the cosmos and other scientific phenomenons… It is about providing you with a sense of peace, inner strength, etc. Religion is not the cause of these brutalities, EXTREMISM is. If there was no religion, people would still find some excuse to oppress and condemn their fellows (race, sex, religion, whatever).
And as a side note, people should really just chill in their comments. You do not have to attack others just to defend your point of view. If you can really think of no other way to defend it, then maybe you should reconsider whether it is worth defending at all…
November 24th, 2008 at 6:02 pm
This is a great list. It makes me so grateful to live in a culture where women have high status and opportunity. It’s not always equal with men in America, but compared to other countries, American women aren’t bad off.
November 24th, 2008 at 8:52 pm
one word to describe these countries: backwards
November 25th, 2008 at 2:13 am
So you blame Osama and Saddam for all this.
How about Bush? Because of his overreacting busybody feeling of butting into other nations’ probles, the problem gets bigger. So some countries carry out communism, instead of Democracy, but there is no right for you to change it. It is true that the whole world may not agree on one leader (apart from Obama, Obama rox!). You may be the ruler of your country but you’re not the leader of the rest of us. Because of the Americans, racism gets stronger.
Country count: Syria, Lebanon, Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan…
The count does not stop there, not only muslims, as a result, including Russia, North Korea, South Korea, Cambodia, Burma, Vietnam…
But Obama is about to change it all.
November 25th, 2008 at 3:41 am
position 1 is misleading.
http://www.censusindia.gov.in/Census_Data_2001/India_at_glance/fsex.aspx
the state with the lowest ratio is harayana with 861. To suggest 300 is a joke.
dear rushfan try google.
November 25th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
ravi ~ please see this BBC News story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7466916.stm
November 25th, 2008 at 11:01 pm
Detailed break up at bottom of the page in the below link
http://www.icfmt.org/vol2no4/skewed.htm
while the blame can’t lie with you for trusting a source like the BBC, its quite simply wrong. Female infanticide is a serious problem but the way to tackle it is not to make up motivated surveys and numbers, as the BBC has.
November 26th, 2008 at 7:02 am
ravi ~ Thanks for the info.
November 27th, 2008 at 12:55 am
IRAN is the first country you mentioned in your introduction while NONE of the examples you give refers to IRAN.
So question is: What gender inequality exists in Iran?
Answer: Nothing at all…both genders are screwed equally.
November 27th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
people put their own pride about their religious status over the injustices like the ones in the list! maybe it should all be ignored so not to offend them? I personally think that a persons rights are the most important thing, apparently some of the commentators here care more about Islam looking bad!
November 27th, 2008 at 6:48 pm
@ali hayat
The first list is all due to high birth rates.
If people in countries where no birth control methods currently take place, I’m sure those lists wouldn’t matter.
Thing is, people are having babies like mad now. And as good and joyful babies are….In some parts of the world it’s not exactly a good thing.
This list is really interesting. Lots of thought put into it.
November 27th, 2008 at 8:20 pm
I would like to say that this is a perfect example of why religion is detrimental to society… Certainly more so in some cases than in others, but when will the world realize that religion is just a bad idea…?
>.>
November 28th, 2008 at 7:46 am
Poor Panic, don’t you get it? Everyone needs something to believe in! Some have faith in God, others have faith in each other; still others believe in themselves… if it were 4:30pm right now, I believe I’d have a beer.
November 28th, 2008 at 1:16 pm
while we up here in the west think women in saudi arabia are cursing their lucks because of their “chauvinistic” religion, we dont realize that they do have their own rights and privileges. They believe men and women arent equal. Although they have rights and privileges that are equal in value but not the exact same. Go ask any educated saudi woman. Perspectives and cultures are similar in that they both differ when it comes to people.
One example: Did you know that it is the man’s responsibility to share all his income with his family? The man may get 1000 from his relative’s death but its his priority to spend it all on his family………….if the woman gets 1000 even 500 from her relative’s death, she doesnt have to spend a dime on her family…..how come this isnt noticed by the west?
November 28th, 2008 at 6:20 pm
It might sound pompous to say so, but this list makes me so grateful to have been born and raised in Canada. I’ve always been very skeptical of the feminist movement and perhaps I have taken my liberty for granted.
I disagree that the things on this list can all be attricuted to religion. It is ignorance that perpetuates these atrocities.
November 28th, 2008 at 8:40 pm
AHHH. I hear in some places in africa, girls have their clits cut out before they enter school. Ive always wondered why nearly every religion shuns sex, or really almost anything pleasurable, as a bad thing.
December 2nd, 2008 at 3:07 am
And this might be interesting, also…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1090131/The-villages-mothers-killed-EVERY-baby-born-boy-years.html
December 3rd, 2008 at 6:33 pm
You’d better change the title to “10 cliches of my mind about Islam and Muslims” or something like that. No kidding, I recommend you to be courageous enough not to hide your feelings under those showy sociologial terms. It is good for your psychology, too.
December 5th, 2008 at 8:26 am
Great list. Thank you!
I am living in Kuwait and I have seen loads of thing just like the list. When I first arrived my boss warned me not to walk alone or go anywhere on my own. I tried for few times and got approached by a cop for few times to see my ID same as my French friends (The cop thought I was walking alone AKA prostitute!?) Also we girls won’t allow to walk in public place in shorts or vest top….The rape thing is so normal and most of the case were dropped once the rapist agree to marry the victim.
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December 8th, 2008 at 7:38 am
IN TOTAL AGREEMENT!
lots of misinterpretations in their religion. and i believe they don’t study science cos they believe that the fault lies with the women if their offspring are female. hey btw, the sex of a child is determined by the father!!! check out the WIKIPEDIA for prove! women are not any weaker than man except in physicality, that’s what i believe in.
December 8th, 2008 at 7:53 am
Drat! I detest text-message speak. The accompanying inability to use capitalization and proper tools of grammar and sentence structure make me crazy when attempting to read anything longer than a couple of words.
I’m also noticing a sad lack of the grasp of spelling and tense, which is so wide-spread I simply cannot put the blame on any one poster.
December 8th, 2008 at 9:37 am
segue: I’m right there with you buddy. If I see “IDK” or “Pwned” one more time I’m going on a rampage through my local college campus.
Is it so hard to read, Just Once, through what you just typed up?
For any of you kids who don’t remember; Chris’s=Chris is. Chris’=Chris (possessive)
You people are worser (just great that’s a word now) then a three year old!!!
December 8th, 2008 at 11:33 am
Crimanon, I appreciate the support (really, I do!), just one tiny detail…I’m a female.
I got an e.mail from an AP Economics teacher two of my children had in high school (we’re still friends 12 years later, he sort of adopted me as his mother), complaining about text-speak!
He asked me, “Can you read this?” and enclosed the message.
“No, what language is it?” I replied.
“Text-speak”, he wrote back. That was the first time I’d heard the term, several years ago, and now it’s so prevalent it *is* like a separate language, a non-spoken language.
It will die a natural death, but in the meantime, my lord!
December 8th, 2008 at 12:33 pm
Buddy=Buddette? Does it matter?
One of the few times I will use The Evil Wiki. It kind of makes sense here…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leet
And the every present Txt or SMS speak…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SMS_language
Translate at your own risk!
December 8th, 2008 at 3:32 pm
235. Crimanon: Buddy=Buddette? Does it matter?
****
It does to my husband.
December 13th, 2008 at 9:12 pm
these inequalities are against human rights and are then pointless.
i don’t know but i have always hated how religions mold people, or/and the other way around.
January 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Its interesting how people find provoked by religion in this list, especially Islam. Indeed, most world religions have gender inequalities (i.e. catholicism does not allow female priests). I guess some are just more progressively liberal than others.
However, it remains awful to me that people have, through years of senseless, idiotic tradition, institutionalised these inequalities. Sure, men and women are naturally different… but the evolution of humankind’s intelligence and rational should be much better than this. Truly, those who follow tradition blindly are the ones lost from wisdom, behaving like sheep.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
it actually makes you sick to think this kind of behaviour is still going on in the year 2009.
in school we studied a case of a 13 year old girl from the middle east that was raped by her brother and therefore she was ordered to be stoned to death because she had sexual intercourse before marriage and this was only about 5 years ago.
luckily the case was overturned but it still goes on today and it needs to be stopped.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:23 pm
reading the list of inequalitys of gender within the social life express the felling of humans are stil back minded in some places and country.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 pm
i wonder why country like them stay the same, religon is controling them not thir braind . e.g. in hindistan if your about to die and need to be taken hospital quickly and if theres a cow they wait until there god ”cow and yes cow’ to move from the road and he person dies from lossing to much blood
March 24th, 2009 at 5:20 am
could you give me some quotations in the quran on gender inequality
March 24th, 2009 at 9:10 am
This is copied and pasted- wth?
http://geography.about.com/od/populationgeography/a/onechild.htm
March 29th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
animals.
April 1st, 2009 at 2:03 pm
@242 godfrey:
yeah, sure no problem, Surah 4, verse 34:
“Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and [as to] those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.”
Do you like the “beating” part, above?
See, i don’t mind it, because it is 1500 years old and therefore taken out of historical context as most other holy texts on this planet. So actually it is no big deal.
But the problem is, that there are so many people who are so in favor for the Quran. They live today and among us and think that every piece and every line of it is holy and received literally from God. This is called Dogma and it’s bad. This is the reason why religion is bad. I mean every religion, because no religion can be right in its Dogma due to the ever changing historical and cultural circumstances in which humanity lives.
This said, a religion can be true in it’s belief, because it is something mankind shares. All virtues are the same, in nearly every culture and world religion. This spirituality transcends religion and is the opposite of dogma.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
^^totally agree with Sil. When people quote the Bible, I just laugh because the Bible is literally THOUSANDS of years old. These people though differently back then, and usualy not for the better. the Qu’ran, Quran, Koran (however you spell it:p) is just like the Bible, but a lot of times it is taken to seriously (like in the instance above). Every religion that is taken to the extreme is bad. I don’t agree that every religion is bad, only religions taken to the extreme. I’m a Catholic, but I don’t feel like I belong to the Catholics who held the Spanish Inquisition, or make hate groups agaisnt other religions.
April 15th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
btw COOL LIST!!! really interesting. I never knew women were still this mistreated this badly!
April 20th, 2009 at 2:55 am
ooohhhhhhh…….my god these idiotic males think dat females are not important and i think dat 2 speak this line…this freedom is given 2 u by a female only so just think about it mannnnnnnn.i am a girl and i really feels dat gender enequality exst in india…….
May 15th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
LOads of people read these comments!!!
I did, well not all of them but still.
I think that it is true that the religion is not to blame, for example the Islamic religion stated that women and men were equal in all respect before the eyes of god so it’s not the religions what is it?
The religion extremists. If they are incharge they can twist the religion and change it to suit there purposes. For complete order in a country you make rules and if you want the rules to be followed you make punishments. People were so scared of the Taliban in Afghanistan that they wouldn’t even go to court with a case incase they get killed. People are so scared that they wil be killed of punished that they do not dare not follow the rules. That is why the government in somen countries has made such huge punishments, they want people to be scared and they want to set an example. That, or they simply don’t want to break their own rules. For instace in Afghanistan they did not let male bus drivers drive them to school and girls weren’t even allowed out of the house unless accompanied by a close male relative, so they didn’t want to go back on their own rules and let the women drive the buses or let men drive the girls to school so they simply forbid girls from going to school. It’s easy for them to just do stuff like that. They have complete power.
I think this needs to be stopped as soon as possible,
People’s lives are in danger and everyone needs to be made aware of this.
Ro
June 24th, 2009 at 7:39 am
what about the sexual mutilation that African women have to endure so they won’t be able to feel pleasure during sex?
July 22nd, 2009 at 10:51 am
women cant even ride bikes in saudi arabia? BIKES! what rubbish is this?
August 3rd, 2009 at 6:13 am
A woman in Sudan is fighting for her right to wear pants. Yes, pants. She will most likely receive 40 lashes for wearing pants in public.
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.3be7c739a4f341fdb5124824a0e5965c.821&show_article=1
August 11th, 2009 at 8:05 am
@ sil
The quote that u referred to has, once again, been taken out of context (dnt worry you are not the first but i hope tht you are one that desires knowledge and the truth).
1. This is a translation. No muslim would stick too closely to the translation because you cannot perfectly translate the meanings from a source in its original language.
2. If research is done into how the people 1500yrs ago understood this verse and treated their wives, one will gain an insight into the meaning of this verse. “But youre supposed to look at the literal meaning of the verse, how people understood it has no relevence” you say? Incorrect. A muslim takes the Quran AND the sunnah (the lifestyle of the Prophet and those in his time) and lives his/her life by that.
(btw, as a hint, this verse never meant to allow bashing onto women.)
August 11th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Just as a further note, ppl are usually very quick to locate the superficial ‘defects’ in Islam and stop at that. It is very curious that a very small percentage of those that first read about these situations given in this list would actually research on and find the GOOD that was offered to women – and is still being offered.
Islam gives women many rights. It brought along a revolution from the pre-islamic era.
Islam doesnt allow a husband to come home drunk, to gamble at all (let alone risk the house), to cheat (or to even kiss another woman – and im not referrin to sisters, mothers), and does not allow him to sit on his butt all day without an income. The latter also touches on the fact that women in islam have no obligation to work if they dont want to(although they are allowed).
It also doesnt give the ‘horny’ male a chance to satisfy his desires by perving at women. This is the purpose of the covering (hijab). On the same note, it protects girls getting brainwashed by the fashion and modeling industries that belt the message ‘you need to be beautiful, and more importantly, show your beauty in order to be successful’. The hijab secures a womans dignity by refusing the lusts of other immoral men and only allows elsewise to someone who is prepared to care for her indefinately.
Note: as for the misconception of Islam giving full rights for the man for sex, this is not true. The wife is allowed to refuse. For a woman in times of sickness or unwell, the Prophet always stressed the importance of kindness to mothers, wives, daughters, and sisters (even saying that heaven lies at the feet of mothers) – so a God-fearing husband would respect this. However, if there is no justly reason, then Islam does frown upon this. And for many reasons: sex has been proven to not only aid health but also strengthens the marital bond b/w the husband and wife. It also helps both spouses in resisting sexual temptations outside of the bedroom – ando so helps with modesty. It also allows BOTH partners the right to be sexually satisfied in marriage (i am stressing the BOTH part – the womam has also this right). Once these are achieved, a marriage has a higher chance of success, which will give greater benefit to the children involved.
September 8th, 2009 at 4:26 am
Those asians better learn to love rumps
September 28th, 2009 at 6:55 am
its totaly completly entierly and absolutly injustified to consider xtra clothing need as a discrimination of gender. i am a muslim grl n i wear hijab with grat pride and a great sense of security and no1 ever forced me 2 wear it. i do it because i prefer to be a dignified muslim girl rather than a sex displaying suitcase. n trust me when i am in hijab no1 looks at me as im a hottiee or a showpiece every1 around me respects me and trust me respect is 1 thng harrrrd earned. so stop criticizng us 4 wearing xtra cloths its not a discrimination its just different n trust me if u hv stdid islam women is cnsidrd so precious tht she shd b kpt safe and protected neither lookd upon as a sex symbol nor a hottie bt as sister,mother,daughter or wife and respected.plz dnt talk abt the thngs u dnt understand…
September 29th, 2009 at 8:45 am
These nations need to grow up and join the 21st century. Its sad and disgusting how technologically advanced they can be yet still live socially in the stone ages.
Ps to 256 “rather than a sex displaying suitcase”
Civilized people (men) often have the ability to look at a partially clothed person and not assault/rape them. We DO have the ability to control our ‘animalistic’ desires. Apparently Muslims do not have this kind of self control.
September 29th, 2009 at 8:56 am
i hope these people who make and enforce such rules are burned to death.
October 17th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Men fear challenges coming from women!They don’t want to be subordinated but very eager to subordinate the so call weaker sex( the women).instead of of being resistant to changes that culture/religion have taught us, let just readjust ourselves to accommodate women of whom they give birth to generation and without them, we can’t talk of new generation.
October 24th, 2009 at 4:04 am
A friend of mine Devon bravely criticised Islam in his comments.
Most people do not understand why Women in Islam are asked to cover their bodies from head to toe.
Imagine wat impression does a woman in bikini carry and a woman covered from head to toe.Who is most decently dressed?Or lets say which woman wud attract u the most? Women with Bikini who has attraction and naturally gives rise to sexual feelings moretahn completely covered woman?
My discussion is that if u have sex without marriage with consensus with somebody outside ur marriage;Firstly it is unethical and immoral for a sophisticated society and their remains no concept of marital life which is based on trust and sincerity.it is called Consensual rape in Islam and is strictly prohibited as it clearly spoils the family structure.Those who support this consensual sex should ask themselves how many times will they allow their wives to be fucked by someone else wen u have married them?In most cases wen this reality is exposed;their takes place the breaking of marriages.If this Conensal sex out of marraige so pious;then why do couples break?Reason:A trust has been broken.
From the Islamic point of view;Women are given more respect and they are forbidden to work as they are delicate like crystals of glass.They have been honoured to look after home and their kids if they wish to.Otherwise the husband is bound to arrange a servant for his wife.
On moral grounds;a wife should not demand from husband beyond her husbands finances.She should keep in view the income his husband is earning.But before that Islam advises followers to adopt simplicity.There might be a question that if a husband cannot meet his family’s needs why not women can work?Women can work but keeping in view they want to work to fulfill their “desires” or “basic needs”?Needs are the basic rights(mainly education,food,clothing,dwelling) and desires are the luxurious wishes that one wants to have like a big house,a big car,a big land to own etc.
Overall i do not agree with most of points raised under the word of Gender Inequality.Its a complete blend of confusion and lack of knowledge about moral values.
October 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
How did this “10 Extreme Examples of Gender Inequality” become a debate that makes everyone hate one another’s religions?
=.=”
Yes, some Arab countries can be pretty harsh.
(Even I don’t understand why and I’ve been living in one-Had to anyways-…And prefer my Singapore in South East Asia.)
Sometimes it feels like the government is controlling too much power.
I mean, seriously…
It’s like they’re trying to manipulate and change Islam.
The religion is NOT the problem, the people are.
(Those bastards policemen. Imagine THEIR daughters dying in a fire like that.)
October 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
why are they all about women? Men also have gender inequality. This list is extremely sexist
October 29th, 2009 at 9:03 am
i guess islamic women has eternalise all dis…
so its boostng policemen 2 do all dis…
n yea i thnk der r end nos of women’s inequality…
sope was lukng 4 sumthng different coz all dis already has lotss of attention…i was luking for sumthng hidden sumthng v all knw bt hav nver flash lights…
October 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I’ve been lurking on this site for a while, but this is the first time I’ve been compelled to post something, so please be gentle
I tend to agree with fact that the violence and injustice that occurs in Islamic countries stem from cultural sources, not religious ones. Islam, at its best, is a positive force. Just as Christianity, at its best, is one as well (I was born Roman Catholic, by the way). The problem lies in politics/culture harnessing religion to reinforce their respective ideologies.
This is a terrible thing because, by their nature, religions tend to elicit extremely strong emotions in many of their followers (as some of the above posts will attest). This makes an objective and rational discussion impossible. The tragedy of this is that an objective, rational viewpoint is utterly necessary in a modern society.
Also, religion requires one to accept certain things at face value (such as the virgin birth and resurrection, in my case). While the idea of blind faith is somewhat distasteful for me, it is harmless if kept in the realm of PERSONAL spiritual development. It is when this same blind faith is transferred to the the sociopolitical realm that the potential for great evil occurs.
October 29th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
One more thing, on the topic of male circumcision…
While female circumcision/FGM is a horrible practice, male circumcision is a totally different animal. As I understand it, FGM greatly reduces or completely removes a woman’s ability to enjoy sex via the removal of part of the clitoris (as well as sewing the vaginal opening almost completely up).
This differs greatly from male circumcision where only part of the foreskin is removed. This has no negative effect on sexual pleasure or carry the risk of long term health hazards. In fact, the absence of foreskin greatly reduces the buildup of smegma on the penis.
As I understand it, this practice is not widespread in the western world. That being said, I hope that some posters here at least do a little research on the topic before lumping it together with FGM.
Thanks.
November 14th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Denzell, that comment is so childish. Think before you type.
November 14th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
All religions suck. If humans would stop worshipping make-believe men in the sky and start taking care of each other and all life on our “Holy Mother Earth” it would be a better planet. Fuck religion.
November 15th, 2009 at 12:24 am
If humans take care of each other and all life on our “Holy Mother Earth”, then does it matter what we worship?
November 19th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
@abig (266)
Maybe his comment is childish (or just to your own opinion), but this is a fundamental truth (in other words, he IS thinking). The reason behind all the nasty things going on for baby girls because of the stupid family “honor” and for the sake of “preserving the bloodline (actually family name)” (quotations because I think these are filled with stupidity, since only males are allowed to inherit any type of familial matters, and females will become “outsiders” once they “marry-out” to another family, losing maiden name in the process, therefore making them a member of the family they married to). The more “traditional” Chinese people only care about “continuing the candle light” (= preserving family name), and having at least one heir is absolutely necessary. Of course that means whoever who has something hanging between their legs, literally. And sadly, those people will have their joy of having a newborn (which is the wish of having a baby BOY) sharply turned to extremely disappointment/anger just right after the discovery of the absence of “something important”. And the mother is always the one to blame (because her “belly” isn’t “behaving”). Which is also sad, because now we all know it is the man’s sperm determining the sex of the baby unless it is a rare hormone problem.
Abortions are actually mild practice (to my opinion comparing to the others), at least the fetus won’t feel too much at the emotional level (doesn’t mean it’s right at any level). In less than 20 years ago here was a girl (2nd child of a family in rural area, and the first child was also a girl) who was a victim of having sewing needles penetrated into her body when she was around one year old. And it was her GRANDMOTHER, who was also a FEMALE, behind this (sadly the girl’s father also aggravated the incident and torn the family apart). All the things described above are all presented at this case (yes, it did turned to a criminal lawsuit). With two needles stuck at her brain and three needles stuck at her body (also very close to her vital organs/critical blood vessels) made her suffering pain for over 10 years. The grandmother even thought she was doing the right thing when she confessed to the police, just because that child was not a boy. Luckily the girl had surgery performed (thanks to the generous public donating money) to take all the needles out.
And do you know the saddest truth behind all these? Instead of the males, it is in fact the females who follow these practices ritually. The education they received all over the years have brainwashed them beyond having their own mind, and they never question the validity nor the worthiness of the traditions, and continue practicing them to the younger generations.
Fortunately females won’t extinct in China because there are always the more educated population not minding the sex of their children (but I am laughing at those rural dudes who will soon unable to find a bride, they simply don’t deserve any sympathy), and people outside China who are willing to adopt these girls (they gained my respect), treating them like their own and let them live happily without the pressure of being a female at the wrong place.
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November 28th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Most of the points here are religious and are right according to us you should abide by posting anything related to religion
December 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
I don’t understand the last one. There are %1 more women then men on the planet. There are 5.4 million more women than men in the United States alone.
But I do have to agree with the rest.
December 13th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
To Rorschachinstein (@272)
You wrote there are 1% more women than men on the planet, but that only means you are comparing the sum of all men and all women all over the planet. However, you have to take a closer look to what’s happening in difference places.
The reason of why North America (US + Canada) has higher female birth rates is because major food sources (daily products, meat and poultry) are high in estrogen (they are used to promote and quicken growth of livestock in order to increase production + cut costs because less time spent raising them), and human bodies absolve these hormone, and the hormone change in mothers’ bodies is beneficial for female fetus staying in mothers’ wombs (I don’t know whether it is because the Y sperms die easier, having harder chance to infuse with the egg, or the fertilized XY eggs have less chance to stay at the mother’s uterus), if not including the fact that fetus with XY sex chromosomes will become females (although mostly physically stronger than real girls and less feminine in appearances but otherwise carry female reproduction system) if they are exposed to too much estrogen in the early stages of their mothers’ pregnancies.
So, places promote male offspring are actual more rural and less likely to use the hormones to increase livestock production (many of these people actually raise their livestock). With an unaffected male-female ratio (something close to 1:1) to beginning with, ruthlessly slaughtering female offspring will increase male to female ratio significantly.
And averaging two opposite significant ratios will only net you something close to 1 to 1. You cannot overlook a fact just by an overall statistics because it won’t tell you a thing.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:24 am
So how does the Western society value and judge a woman? The
Western writer, Camille Paglia wrote in a college text, entitled, ‘Sexual
Harassment – Confrontations and Decisions’, “Western culture has a
roving eye. Male sex is hunting and scanning: boys hang yelping from
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Has the Quest for Beauty Elevated
the Way that the Woman in the
West is Valued in Society?
to the society. The ultimate proof for this is surely the epidemic of rape
that plagues the Western nations. 1 in 20 women in England and Wales
have been raped. 167 women in England and Wales are raped every day
(figures from the British Home Office). A woman is raped more than
once every minute in the US. In one survey of 114 undergraduates in the
US, commissioned by Ms Magazine in 1988, 83.5% of the men gave the
reply yes to the statement that “Some women look like they’re just asking
to be raped”. This dangerous mentality held by the men in the society
based upon the concept of freedom – that they are free to view a woman
in any manner that they wish, is also being bred in the minds of the
youngsters. In a UCLA study of 14 to 18 year olds, more than 50% of the
boys thought that it was ‘OK’ for a man to rape a woman if he was
sexually aroused by her. In a Ms Magazine survey of undergraduates in
the US in 1988, 1 in 12 of the respondents had raped or tried to rape a
woman since age 14. In the UK, boys as young as 13, have been placed
on the Sex Offenders Register after performing indecent sexual acts
against girls. The expectations for the future of the society can only be
described as dire.
The reality is clear, beauty does not earn respect for the woman within
the Western societies nor elevate her standing and bring value to her life.
It is a myth. The Western woman has become an object judged simply on
superficialities rather than her thinking and intelligence. Allah perfectly
describes this whole reality in an ayah;
“But the Unbelievers – their deeds are like a mirage in sandy deserts which the
man parched with thirst mistakes for water, until when he comes up to it, he finds it
to be nothing.” [TMQ Al-Nur: 39]
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her employer, she was “too old, too unattractive, and not deferential to
men.” The judge ruling over the case favoured on the side of the
company. One journalist said with regards to the case, “There are
thousands of Christine Crafts…We keep silent. Who can survive a
blacklist?” Dan Air was challenged in 1987 for hiring only pretty young
women as air crews. They defended their action on the basis of customer
preference for pretty young women. A 54 year old American woman
quoted in The Sexuality of Organization, said her boss replaced her one
day without warning. “He had told her that he ‘wanted to look at a
younger woman’ so his ‘spirits could be lifted’”.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:27 am
So how does the Western society value and judge a woman? The Western writer, Camille Paglia wrote in a college text, entitled, ‘Sexual Harassment – Confrontations and Decisions’, “Western culture has a roving eye. Male sex is hunting and scanning: boys hang yelping from her employer, she was “too old, too unattractive, and not deferential to men.” The judge ruling over the case favoured on the side of the company. One journalist said with regards to the case, “There are thousands of Christine Crafts…We keep silent. Who can survive a blacklist?” Dan Air was challenged in 1987 for hiring only pretty young women as air crews. They defended their action on the basis of customer preference for pretty young women. A 54 year old American woman quoted in The Sexuality of Organization, said her boss replaced her one day without warning. “He had told her that he ‘wanted to look at a younger woman’ so his ‘spirits could be lifted’”.
December 14th, 2009 at 6:31 am
The manner in which the Western society values the various qualities of a woman can also be seen when we understand that the only professions that a woman consistently gets paid more than a man are modelling and prostitution. A super model can sometimes make £10,000 in one day – the same amount earned by a junior doctor or teacher in 6 months of work.
December 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
For the women. There is a pandemic of physically and emotionally abused women by individual males(spouses,boyfriends etc) however,the abomination it is that women are subjugated to such demeaning treatment by an entire religion and countries. I never heard about the schoolgirls who burned to death. I am utterly appalled. In the medical field, here in the middle of the United States, I have seen growing numbers of caucasian women who marry Arab/Islamic men who DO try to subject these women to the same degradation. Result; more and more of these women are being admitted to psych wards for attempted suicides and complete emotional breakdowns. Hydrogen power,atomic,who cares; as long as we break relations with these animals.
December 28th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Many gender inequalities against men are not being considered. The foolish world only supports the women and ignores the problem of men. Men are the real human beings as they are hard working, sacrificing their lives in battle field, protecting the family, doing risky jobs and having physical and mental strength. In no way men and women are equal. Please think…
January 1st, 2010 at 4:44 pm
To Indian Citizen (278)
You said that men are forced to fight on the battlefield, but do you know women were once forbidden to go there in the first place, for many many years? Only a select few women fought in war throughout history, as MEN.
But if you ask me, I wouldn’t want women to go to the battlefield, considering the way they are socialized over the years. Women are trained as caring, nurturing and non-physically violent (they’re really good in other forms of violence though), or just to care about their looks over everything (I know it’s a little extreme, but it happens). Now imagine they are on the battlefield. Let’s say some of the comrades are seriously wounded or dead. Instead of revenging and killing the enemies, they cry over the disabled soldiers; or only hearing women lamenting over their broken nail or messed up face/hair over an emptied gun. And before you say I’m discriminating women, I am a female myself, only not socialized to become a “woman”.
It is true that it’s not fair for men to fight, but men are physically more competent to do that, it is a fact. Yes, men were out there, but it was the women who prepare the supplies (clothes, food, and even some weapons) that men need during war time. Instead of physically attending to the battlefield, they act behind the scene as supports. Even there are more women serving in the military nowadays, many of them work in communications (support again) instead. Yes, it is a form of gender differentiation (created by people of course) but everyone adopted into this system and they let that happen. Now go complain to everyone in the world. Start with “boys don’t cry, only girls do” (and yes, I don’t care if boys cry over something such as pain).
Of course men do get ignored, have you every heard of “reverse discrimination”? There is a famous debate about the selection process of firefighters in Canada. Because of the Charter of Rights and Freedom, every work field must hire a certain percentage of minorities (that includes race, ethnicity, sex, disability, and so on), so that the Fire Department is forced to hire a certain percentage of women in order to avoid violating the law, fully aware that many of those women are not qualified for the job, and knowing many fit men couldn’t get in because of this. These men were excluded for the sake of making the world “equal” yet lowering the capabilities of firefighters. That’s not worth it. But no matter how unfair it is, it’s just a job.
But the topic is talking the EXTREME examples of gender inequality, then are you able to bring out something as EXTREME towards males as what is on this list? Have you heard/read about males being forbidden to do something that every human should be able to do? Or do they suffered from extreme treatment just because they do not carry the “correct” sex organ? Think about it. It is a form of “political correctness”, only to an extreme degree.
As for the mental and physical strength, I’m sure you don’t know what you’re talking about. Debating about it is purely nonsense. Men and women are physically different, that’s it. Guys naturally possess 20 times the testosterone than females, so that they could build more muscles and have a larger upper body. Are you demanding all women should take testosterone in order to gain the physical strength as men’s? On top of that, pumping male hormones would make women unable to reproduce. Are you hoping for making half of the humans becoming monsters (just imagine it as the opposite of men dressing like women), while promoting the distinction of humans? This is insane. And have you heard about the hardship about child labour? Many women died curing this process, especially when medical science wasn’t advanced enough. I guess you don’t pay too much attention about it because it is rarely dramatized in any way and their deaths are not recognized by most of us. So you say they’re not suffering because they’re not moving all over the place? Now that’s open discrimination. Please take a look to both pictures before complaining.
Mental strength? What are you talking about? So surviving interrogation guarantees mental strength? Or not giving up to pain and cry is mental strength? Sometimes “mental strength” is a forced product of avoiding to lose something more, such as self esteem. Try combining “boys don’t cry, only girls do” and peer pressure and you might know what I’m talking about.
Protecting the family? Are you living in the middle of the jungle or something (hence your nickname)? Other than ensuring financial stability (but women do that nowadays too), there’s not much about it. Are you imaging those risky scenes you see in TV and movies apply in real lives? Be my guest. Basically, the chance of “protecting the family” is very slim if you’re living in an urban area.
And finally, risky jobs? Fine. But don’t forget, it is men who are dominating (or I should rather say dictating) in these fields. Naturally they would only open the doors to young guys. If they find a boy and a girl, both equally talented and have the same potential, they would pick the boy. Enough said.
And who said working hard must be physical demanding? Not everyone operate using their muscles. Bonehead.
January 13th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
Wow…this makes me so sad that across the world women live there lives like this. I truly believe we are ALL created equal one can not live with out the other, and we should all respect each other regardless of sex.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:57 am
@VikingBerserker (11): NOT HSLF HALF..OKKKK..TAKE CARE
January 21st, 2010 at 3:51 pm
I have read a lot of these posts and its CLEAR the muslims here are not open minded..
They just say “oh well” or deny that civil rights violations are happening in other nations..
You Muslims are delusional at best because you are unable to recognize “evil.”
You have an entitlement personality malfunction thats astounding..
Even the ones who “claim” are good are actually evil because they defend these human rights violations by turning their head the other way..
Also dont pretend like you have tolerance or respect others because you don’t..
One of the main points of Islam is that others are PIGS to you… If they’re not Muslim then they are not equal..
MOST of you Muslims take the cake for “inferiority complex.”
January 25th, 2010 at 8:34 am
It’s a man’s world, huh… I especially detest number 5 & 10… For number 5, what countries are these rules applied? If it’s worldwide, that thing about “husbands have an absolute right to their wives’ bodies at all times”, leaves me not wanting to ever get hitched… Won’t I have a right to say no to sex, sometimes? Very moving, painful, but informative list. Thank you!
January 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
does anybody ELSE feel utterly saddened by the thread of arguing people?
February 1st, 2010 at 11:30 pm
ugh, it hearing stuff like this that makes me wanna kill whoever set up these horrid codes and laws(im a guy btw),this crap is medieval by nature and should be repealed immediately