As this site is predominantly US- oriented, I thought I’d toss my (bowler) hat into the ring. What I have included in this list are those British disasters which go by one name; you only have to say that one word or name and people instantly know what you mean and remember what happened. I have not included military or underground colliery disasters as there were too many to choose from though all deserve remembrance. These are, in my opinion, the most memorable from recent years.
They are in chronological order, not in order of any sort of significance or loss of life. There are bound to be some which I have not included which people feel deserve more attention- these are the ones which come most readily to my own memory.
February 1958- The popular Manchester United team, nicknamed the “Busby Babes” for their youth and their manager Matt Busby, boarded a plane in Munich to return to England. Also aboard the plane were a number of supporters and journalists. The weather was snowy and, due to a build up of slush on the runway, the plane crashed on its third attempt at takeoff. 23 people died in total; eight of the football team were killed and two were so severely injured they never played again.
In the small Welsh village of Aberfan in October 1966, a huge coal slag heap loosened by days of rain collapsed and slid down the hillside. It buried a row of houses and the village school in millions of tons of choking liquefied coal waste, killing 144 people, 116 of whom were schoolchildren aged 7-10.
The village has never fully recovered, having had such a huge chunk of a single generation wiped out in one fell swoop.
In March 1987 the roll- on roll- off ferry MS Herald of Free Enterprise set sail from Dover to the Belgian port of Zeebrugge. Due to a combination of catastrophic oversights, she had sailed with the bow doors to the car deck wide open. Seconds after leaving port she began to take on water and listed hard. Within a minute she had capsized onto a sandbar; it was only this shallower water which prevented further loss of life. 193 people died, most of them trapped on board in freezing water.
In July 1988 the North Sea oil production platform Piper Alpha was destroyed in a massive explosion and subsequent fire. 167 men were killed, including two crewmen of a rescue vessel. To date it is the world’s worst offshore oil disaster. Thirty bodies were never recovered.
In December 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 left Heathrow airport heading for JFK in New York. It contained a Libyan terrorist bomb which detonated at 31,000 feet over the Scottish village of Lockerbie, raining debris and fire over the village. All 243 passengers, 16 crew members and 11 residents of Lockerbie were killed. Most of the passengers were American. The resulting fuel explosion on the ground registered 1.6 on the Richter scale.
In April 1989, a match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest at Hillsborough football ground had to be abandoned due to a huge crowd surge which crushed supporters against steel anti- hooligan fencing. 96 people died, mostly from asphyxia where they stood. The surge was caused by fans being directed into already overfilled pens.
Due to a recent public campaign for answers for the families of the dead 20 years on, police files have been released by the Government. These appear to show a widespread cover- up on behalf of the police, who failed to assist the dying believing them to be attempting a pitch invasion, and prevented ambulances from going into the stadium. This is still an extremely contentious and emotive ongoing issue.
In August 1989, the pleasure boat Marchioness was sailing down the Thames in London, holding a private birthday party. In the early hours of the morning, it was rammed by the dredger Bowbelle. The dredger first cut through the side of the Marchioness, then pushed it underwater, in less than 30 seconds. 51 of the passengers drowned. Poor visibility was blamed, and the fact that both boats were using the centre of the river.
In March 1996 former Scout leader Thomas Hamilton walked into the Primary school of the Scottish town of Dunblane. He carried two Browning pistols and two Smith and Wesson revolvers. Making his way to the gymnasium, he opened fire on a class of five and six year olds, killing or injuring all but one of them. Fifteen children and one teacher were killed. Hamilton then shot into other areas of the school, causing minor injuries, before fatally shooting himself in the head. No real motive has ever been discovered though Hamilton was rumoured to have been a paedophile.
In October 1999, two high- speed passenger trains collided at Ladbroke Grove rail junction, two miles west of London’s Paddington station. The trains met almost head- on at a combined speed of 130mph. The impact, combined with subsequent diesel fires in the wreckage, resulted in a death toll of 31 people. Both drivers died. The crash was blamed on a series of system failures, including inadequate driver training, poor signal visibility and insufficient emergency procedures.
Also known as the July bombings or the London bombings, this was a series of co-ordinated suicide bomb attacks on London public transport in July 2005. Three bombs exploded within a minute of one another on three crowded Underground trains. Nearly an hour later a fourth bomb exploded on a bus. In total 56 people were killed including the four bombers. Over 700 people were injured. The bombings were carried out by British Muslims in apparent retaliation for the Iraq conflict.
























May 18th, 2009 at 1:44 am
Interesting list, most of them I have never heard about
Now, off to my exam..
May 18th, 2009 at 1:51 am
When you mentioned “Munich”, I thought you meant the “Munich Agreement” ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_Agreement ), which was way disastrous than all other disasters you mentioned.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:52 am
So unf0rtunate
May 18th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Rest in peace my British comrades :’(
May 18th, 2009 at 1:59 am
What about England not qualifying for the 2008 Euro Cup?
60 million left “dead” for the whole summer! Now thats what I call a disaster!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:04 am
I have heard of all of them…except number three. I think I am going to go read a little bit more on that. All of those people killed either by mistake, natural disaster, or by the hands of cowards is just awful.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:10 am
A terrible history of loss that as you say, Kir, barely scratches the surface of incidences that you could have mentioned in this list.
2 Aberfan–strikes me as one of the worst on the list as it’s effects are still being felt today. It’s very hard for a small town or village to strive, without such a blow.
Thank you Kir, American news coverage sometimes doesn’t stretch too far off-shore.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:31 am
Dunblane is the one that really sticks out in my mind. I remember the huge and devestating reaction to this event. I went to Stirling uni and knew quite a few people who went to the school at the time of the tragedy. I think it is something which very much still hangs over Dunblane.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:33 am
I thought the Spice Girls would be in this.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:39 am
They’re all sad happenings, but somehow Hillsborough sounds particularly sad, due to the fact that the victims weren’t taken seriously at the time. More lives could have been saved…
May 18th, 2009 at 2:49 am
“Their Teeth” should have been number one…
May 18th, 2009 at 3:06 am
Item 8 Dunblane–Further information about this foul gunman and the subsequent coverup can be found by looking up in LV Archives:
Top 10 Declassified Secrets–Item #4
Personal sidenote: I found the above mentioned list and the reference to Dunblane by pressing the “Random List” button, just after reading this one. Eerie.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:09 am
Gosh, how sad… These are all so tragic, especially when children are involved. I can’t imagine what it must have been like in Aberfan. 116 children in a small village. Unimaginably devastating.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:10 am
11. joe mama–?????
Have googled “their teeth” and fail to find the reference.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:10 am
i remember dunblane and the 7/7 attacks like it was yesterday. the 7/7 attack is more vivid, as me and my family were in a caravan on holiday celebrating my younger sisters birthday. turned on the news and we saw the image of the bus blown up. couldn’t believe it!
May 18th, 2009 at 3:14 am
11. joe mama –Bad Joke?
Am wishing for DELETE button for comments–
May 18th, 2009 at 3:37 am
My parents had friends who perished on Piper Alpha. That was the one I thought of first when I saw this list.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I always found it sickening that Americans expected the whole world to care about the Columbine shootings, yet I’ve not met a single American who even knows about Dunblane.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:09 am
All tragic events, my mum was on the herald of free enterprise a couple of days before it sank.
P.s. i think the picture for hilsborough is wrong, the picture looks like the heysel disaster. i might be wrong though.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:23 am
Very interesting and sobering list, thank you.
It was the 10 year anniversary of the Hillsborough disaster a few weeks ago so and there was quite a lot of press coverage for anyone who wanted to find out more about it.
Funny how, even in the face of massive loss of life and some of the worst atrocities ever committed, people still see fit to make puns about the British having bad teeth. How sad.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:37 am
20 – It was the 20th Anniversary a few weeks ago actually.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:39 am
As for them joking about our teeth. Firstly, it is a misguided stereotype – most people I know have lovely teeth. Secondly, I agree with TipToe; have some respect.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:40 am
Sad list today.
I would agree with Lulu, I think that picture is Heysel (another terrible tragedy) and not Hillsborough.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:42 am
Yes the picture is wrong for Hillsborough
May 18th, 2009 at 4:59 am
July 7th bombings were eerie in that I was overseas at the time on holiday when I got news of what had happened back home. So there were some tense moments trying to get a call through to home to find out if everyone was alright (thankfully they were).
And then not longer after, the second attemtped bombing occured while I was still away.
The day after I came back was the day after the fatal shooting of Jean Charles de Menezes by undercover police after they falsely suspected he was a bomber.
Was wild coming into Heathrow airport and seeing armoured police bearing rifles and hand guns. You don’t expect to see that in England.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:59 am
sorry – picture is now corrected.
Also – can I recommend that anyone who has a registered username on the site go to wordpress.com and register it there. If it is already taken, take the closest thing you can. We are migrating to wordpress VIP in the next two weeks and unfortunately it will render our userlist empty.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Thisnamestaken (18): I agree. I’m American, and never had heard of Dunblane. I know that America likes to pretend that we are the center of the Universe… maybe that’s why I prefer BBC news to Fox News. These are terrible tragedies.. my prayers to all involved.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Sad list. I lived very close to Dunblane at the time, and I still have vivid memories of the days following that event at my primary school. It was the anniversary of that incident a few weeks ago too; a journalist for the Sunday Express marked the occasion by publishing an article calling the survivors of the incident louts and drunkards, accusing them of besmirching the memory of their dead schoolfriends. Sick, sick woman.
We are, of course, still waiting for much from the Hillsborough disaster. The first is the truth; the second, and apology; and the third is justice. It is in the government’s hands to grant all of these, but they are too proud to go back on Thatcher’s hatred of the North and do so.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:15 am
in defense of the ‘average’ American…the reason they are unaware of just about ANYTHING happening outside of their borders is because the American media focuses solely on events here.
Even then, it’s mostly local news. (& entertainment-no lie-the local Channel 7 news is 1 hour long…first 1/4 hour is breaking news & local tragedy,special assignments (like shoddy drywall or a local lawsuit), 10 minutes of around the nation (usually ‘wild weather” or another tragedy. 5-8 minutes (at most) of political news, including local politics or something about Iraq, and the remaining news show is sports & American Idol. no lie. American Idol.(& commercials) I can only watch the first 1/2 hour before I go to CNN.(which is tooo biased for my tastes with lots of opinion pieces)
The more intrigued American will watch the BBC for more world-view news, but even then, the BBC I get on my DirecTV satalite is American BBC! I do get an Australian Channel which news I like best…LOGO.
ringtailroxy
p.s. I knew about MS Herald of Free Enterprise because I saw a show called “Seconds from Disaster” on National Geographic Channel about it….very very tragic the failure of the chain of command.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:15 am
I think you should have included the fire at Bradford City football club:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradford_City_disaster
This was made all the sadder because the entire incident was broadcast live on TV.
=:~)
May 18th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Me again. Not meaning to denigrate this discussion into politics, but one might also add to this list Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Bah, too much American stuff as usual….
May 18th, 2009 at 5:33 am
@ThisNamesTaken – I don’t think the Americans expect the whole world to to be concerned about Columbine. Everyone is concerned about what is relevent to them no matter what their country of origin.
How did a list on British Disasters turn into another American bashing? Can’t we stick to the topic listed? It seems disrespectful to the victims of these disasters to stray from the topic.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:37 am
#18 ThisNamesTaken – Even worse than Columbine was the shootings in a one room Amish schoolhouse in eastern Pennsylvania. A delivery driver for dairy products burst into the school and had the variously aged children line up against the wall where he shot them one by one. Out of ten children, only half survived. This seems to be closer to the Dunblane disaster than Columbine was, yet it received far less press from the American media. I would have to say that America’s press tells the populace which disasters are more horrible and which in turn would make American expect that Columbine was something reported the world over. I suspect that you are English, and let me tell you that all our media over here is all about ratings and nothing else. To find the truth in journalism you are better off buying a local newspaper and keeping the TV in the off position.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Ughh I remember when Hillsborough and Dunblane happened.
Bad times…
May 18th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Sad list. Had to skip some pictures due to shock or phobia. I knew of a few of these but not all. And the Dunblane shooting was the worst….I hate to see children hurt.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Very sad list. I’ve only heard about the more recent ones (within the last 20 years). I’m sorry for all the innocence lost
May 18th, 2009 at 6:44 am
18. ThisNamesTaken – When did I say I wanted you to care about Columbine? I hate how ALL British people… ah, you can already see how stupid I sound, huh? Stop generalizing, haven’t you learned that from the America list a few days ago?
Anyway, this is a very tragic list. Loss of innocent life anywhere is terrible, and no special offense against Muslims (perhaps toward radicals), but !@#$ those stupid idiots killing and killing over whether which book of fairy tales is true.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:44 am
another notable oil rig disaster was the Ocean Ranger off the coast of Newfoundland, 84 lives lost http://archives.cbc.ca/environment/extreme_weather/topics/349/ this list was very well put together it would be interesting to see other nation specific disaster lists.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:51 am
To #34- the amish shooting was run for 2 weeks on British TV. Probabaly more so than Dunblane was. Incidently, ‘I suspect you are English’- there are 4 nationalities that fall under British not every British person is the stereotypical English Toff.
Free Alba.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:53 am
As I read some of these events that occurred I made note that many of them were caused by terrorism. The wars of today are fought by these type of cowards who are senseless to the sacredness of life and taking out their hostilities on innocent people. Its a real damm shame that anybody could commit crimes of these atrocities without guilt or conscience. I think that we’ll see unfotunately many more terrorists acts in the future and we won’t know where or ehrn they’ll strike next or even who is attacking innocent people. The future looks dim.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Very informative list. Thank you. I was only familiar with about half. When I saw the name of the list, I immediately thought of the Bethnal Green Tube Disaster, but realized it wasn’t on here because of the “known by one name” qualifier. Of the several of these that happened in the ’80s, I probably didn’t know as much because I was in college and spent more time on MTV than CNN. Pity. I try to make up for it these days.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:06 am
I’d like to know how you think this fucking anglocentric site is America oriented?
May 18th, 2009 at 7:07 am
My sister could have died in 7/7!
She was doing work experience in London that week and was luckily late on that day. She was late and missed her bus which transpired to be the one that got blown up!!
As awful as I feel for the families of the people that died I am so glad I did not loose my sister :-/
I have sympathy for all of these points. It is a great list though!
May 18th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Id only heard of 6, 8, 9 and 10, I shouldve thought Id heard of more, with England being my home! The Dunblane incident is really sad.
ZedroZ – Thats good to hear about your sister!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:29 am
To Blair #40 – WELL SAID!!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Northern Ireland seems to be rarely considered British outside the UK. In the UK it is not considered Irish to some.
Its just a prom night dumpster baby…
May 18th, 2009 at 8:36 am
To Maynard #47:
…prom night dumpster baby…
Beautiful! One of my favorite songs!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:55 am
I was on a u.s. navy destroyer in july of ‘88 when the piper alpha exploded. We steamed hard all night and got there a little after sun up next morning. It was still flareing up and burning to beat 60. the pictures you see every where dont do it justice. Also those guys on those oil rigs earn every dime they make.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:57 am
@ Maynard: Northern Ireland isn’t British. It’s part of the United Kingdom, not part of Britain. Britain is a geographic entity comprising of the island that is the England, Scotland and Wales.
@ Baxter In Action: If you’re going to mention Margaret Thatcher, Tony Blair and Gordon Brown being bad PM’s, then why miss out John Major? He was certainly the worst of the most recent four.
Anyway, I’m surprised the M62 bombing or the Birmingham Pub Bombing weren’t mentioned, but I suppose despite high death tolls they might not be relevant or remembered unless you have studied UK politics in depth.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Sorry, but any American who doesn’t know about Dunblane did not watch or read the news around the time it happened. I can understand how it would slip from the forefront of your mind as we don’t see anniversary stories about it or live near people directly effected by it, but to say it wasn’t reported is a severe exaggeration. A cursory search of the archives of my local paper shows it was reported on the front page above the fold the next morning with followups most every day for the next week or so in the A or B sections of the paper. If my admittedly small local paper did so, it is a safe bet most other papers did similar.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:00 am
(IN the tune of ‘Brightside of Life’)
Always look on the runway for ice
doo doo, doo doo doo doo doo doo
A favourite for the fans when playing Manchester United
May 18th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Very sad list – I think that the most hideous death is by fire knowing you are trapped and its getting hotter,and you can see the fire getting closer, and you start smelling the burning of ……. sorry guys I was getting carried away.
Well compiled thanks Kir.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:03 am
WARNING!: Beware of the Bloodhound virus. Make your anti-phishing feature is turned on.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:15 am
i remember 7/7, i was in an RE lesson and we were watching a video and when the teacher stopped it it came up with the news about the bombings and the pictures of people injured and stuff. We watched it for a few minutes trying to figure out what it was about and when my teacher realised she turned it off and said not to worry but she looked quite shocked. Everyone else didn’t understand, I didn’t realise until I got home. Also, my friend lived in America at the time and she said that there was a 1 minute slot about it and nothing else, she said she barely heard about it until she came back.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:16 am
One of the most sickening arguments put forth by rightwing Americans trying to defend Bush is that we haven’t been attacked since 9/11. These scumbags don’t believe the bombings in London count as an attack.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 am
18. ThisNamesTaken: I always found it sickening that Americans expected the whole world to care about the Columbine shootings, yet I’ve not met a single American who even knows about Dunblane.
****
I’m dreadfully sorry, but you’re wrong. Dunblane was carried live on American TV as it happened. I was watching. I’m American. I was in tears the entire time, and having been somewhat involved with FBI people and high-ranking police, I knew, before the thing was close to over, that the perp would be a scoutmaster or similar, and he would take he own life.
I cried over those children for days straight, and at odd moments for weeks.
It doesn’t matter what your nationality is when young children, with their whole lives shinning before them, are brutally killed. It is personal. Every child is a possibility in waiting, every child is worthy of being loved by every person (whether known to them or not), every child is worthy of being protected.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Yeah, people here are complain about lives being lost but still but up boundaries between people of the human race… death is death.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:31 am
smurff: You’re right–You could also be describing “Waco”–
PS:Why does every list lead to American bashing? You could have a list about floods in Dummbakistan and some idiot would attack America about it. You know,and I believe most Americans would agree,from reading this list daily I believe people in other countrys are much more obsessed with us then we are with them.When Columbine happened or 9-11 or any other US tragedy,it never crossed my mind whether people in England or Slovakia gave a shit or not.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:56 am
55. DC -
i’m not sure where in the states your friend was in the time during and after 7.7, but i remember it being the center of radio and TV news, and the front-page paper story around chicago where i was.
our media mostly called it “the london bombings,” but it absolutely was discussed for more than a single one-minute spot. it was a big deal over here too.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Hello there. I remember nearly ALL of these incidents from when I used to watch the news (I get all my news from non-maintream sources now). Very, very shocking. I too watched in horror in 1985 as a live football match turning into a fire-ball in bradford. I was 9 years old – and those memories haunt a person for a LONG time. The fact that all these disasters can be remembered from just the one word makes them all the more shocking to me….
Anyone with a true heart can’t condemn those who are innocent to these disasters. Localising the news used to be seen as the best way to localise and sanitise it’s effect – to save those not already grieving from fear and nightmares. A nation in moarning was, in those days, a nation of dignity; and didn’t rush footage out to America, Asia, Urasia and the Far East to sensationalise that fact; in respect for all those families involved.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:59 am
29. ringtailroxy
What is that Aussie channel? On DTV?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:08 am
I remember 7/7. I was at BCT at the time and one of my drill sergeants had family in Britain. He made sure all of us trainees knew about it and how it related to 9/11.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:09 am
smithstar15 – thanks for the comment – we lost a family member in 88 on the Lockerbie.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Segue, I also remember that horrible day very and still think about it to this day. Like you and RTFW mentioned, it was a huge news story here and was in the headlines and front pages for several days.
ThisNamesTaken, in my humble US American opinion I think knowing about these events has more to do with if you have a nose for news and current events than it does what country you are from. For example The Patient (# 45) who says England is his or her home town has only heard of 4 out of 10 of these. I like many US Americans are familiar with all of these events. This is nothing against The Patient, I’m sure The Patient knows a lot more about other stuff that I do on different subject matters. That’s what makes the world go around. But to lump all US Americans into not knowing news events because it didn’t happen in the US is I think just kind of silly.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:14 am
One you won’t of heard of: http://www.bbc.co.uk/insideout/northwest/series11/week3_freckleton.shtml
Freckleton Air Disaster, awful.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:24 am
I too am American, and I too have heard of all of these events except the crash from Munich which was way before my time. Also, I remember the 7/7 bombings being run 24/7 on the big 3 cable news channels for several days. Anyway, it is kind of funny how this list’s comments turned into dissing American media and American citizen’s interests in world events. It does seem that recently this has been happeneing more and more. People bitching non-stop. JFrater needs to just go ahead and put up some list about Why America is (isn’t) the Best Country in the Known Universe then just have everybody go at it in that list’s message board so we can get back to regular list (con)versing on all the other lists. Whaddya think?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:23 am
being british my self, and allso living in britain. i disagree with this list by far.
and one thing i must say, most of the time listverse does not explaine why they have ordered the list this way.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am
the thing that i disagree with this list is the way it is orderd.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:59 am
The list is ordered chronologically. It says so at the top.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I’m always confused about whether Northern Ireland is considered part of Britain, but if it is, I think the Omagh bombing should have been on the list.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Sobering list for a holiday Monday. Very well presented and researched. I knew of all of these except the tragedy at Aberfan and the Marchioness boat collision.
Smithstar15; Dummbakistan? This type of attitude and the who the hell cares what anyone else thinks mindset is responsible for many of our problems – today and historically. We don’t live in a vacuum; It is in fact a global village and our security is dependent on no one wanting to kill us. Good job on that.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
brings back some strong memories of a few of the above, i remember the night of the piper alpha well even on the west coast they sent out the lifeboats and from the news i remember they where sent from all over the uk. Dunblane was a travesty however it did change for the better strict gun control which was sadly not strict enough (american cousins are you listening) quite suprised nobody has mentioned that tennis player andy murray was a pupil at the school at the time of the shootings, he does not talk about it much but he has helped a community recover as the town see in him all that the children could have become.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I’m American (I was really born in Poland, but now I live here in NYC), and only fourteen years old, and the only event on this list I knew before reading this list is 7/7. I was alive during the two events before that, but I was probably too small to remember. It really is tragic to hear about these kind of things. The order of the list doesn’t have to do with anything; death is death. You can’t change the importance of death just because it is more known, or more people died during an event.
It’s a real shame about Munich; Manchester Utd. is my favorite football team today. Having most of the team killed while traveling… You probably can’t imagine what toll that would leave on supporters of the team.
Aberfan also particularly stood out for me. It’s just very difficult to imagine more than a hundred innocent schoolchildren dying. They had their whole lives ahead, yet they were killed by a stupid landslide.
But alas, we must get past these events. There’s a time for grieving, and there’s a time for moving on. 9/11 was tragic, but the little events each year will eventually need to stop, and we’ll need to move on. I don’t know if there are events each year for 7/7, but the same applies. I am in no way trying to ignore these tragedies, but we can’t let our nations be constantly burdened by these things. Thanks for reading (This is my first comment on here after being on this site for a good few months =P)
May 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I’m not sure I’d agree that Munich is known by one name, I would refer to it as the Munich Air Disaster to avoid ambiguity with the Munich Olympic hostage disaster.
Also I think Summerland could have been a bonus answer.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
65. Blogball
true
Americans have to keep in mind that the rest of the world develops a perception about us through American news channels and outlets that are in turn used as a news sources internationally – what they don’t understand is that we have to “shop” to get the news in America. As mentioned , the networks are only interested in ratings that generate advertising revenue – if their ratings are down they just copy what the top network is reporting, whether it be a missing mother or child, criminal athletes, or asphyxiated starlets, they halt the important news to broadcast the tripe first. It gives the rest of the world the impression we are more interested in Britney Spears than an earthquake in China – or the devastating murder of children in Scotland.
In my opinion all the majors play the game, but more disgusting is that the people behind the news shows and services, the owners, news directors, and even the talking heads, ,feel they have the right to determine what the public should be allowed to see and how it is presented.
To each their own, but when I see news that I know is not as important as other things going on in the world, – I change the channel and avoid returning to that source.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Re Lockerbie Shoild that be 1.6 or 6.1? 1.6 doesn’t seem high enough.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
65. Blogball: I, too, remember each and every one of these disasters, watching the television coverage live, with tears running down my face, my breath coming only in gasping sobs. Yet 18. ThisNamesTaken, would have the rest of the world believe that Americans know nothing that occurs outside it’s borders! He/she/it believes that we do not know what happens in Canada or Mexico, much less Central America or South America.
He/she/it would have one believe that we don’t have a clue about what is going on in Europe, or the Middle East, or Africa or (God Forbid! Strike me deaf, dumb & blind!) Asia! How the hell could we possibly know what is happening what is happening in Asia?
ThisNamesTaken would be shocked to have sat with me as I watched the footage, live, from Lockerbie, where I could see the homes gutted and the fields strewn with wreckage, or from the crash of the Concord, with it’s slit in the countryside as I recognized pieces of luggage, bits of someone’s life whose life has been horribly torn from them. He/she/it would be horrified as I watched the awful images, forever burned onto my brain, from Biafra, of children, no bigger around than a doll, moments from death, or the parents, themselves too close to death to notice that the child they are carrying so tenderly is already dead.
ThisNamesTaken may not believe it, but I cry when a Mosque full of Muslims at prayer is blown up by a suicide bomber, just as I cry when Jews at market are blasted by the same type of bomb.
ThisNamesTaken, I don’t think you looked very far or wide for an American to know of your *one* select disaster. I believe you had decided before you wrote your little hate piece what you were going to say and the truth was not part of it.
Obviously, from the last couple of lists, hating America and Americans is the big fad and you just had to get in on it. Too bad you chose such a stupid point to stand on.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
This will be my last post on this site. And yes I know that will be good news to most that the only one who actually has a high IQ is leaving–I am sick of the anti-American bullshit. As I said in another post on another list (filled with more anti-American horse-hockey) “if it wasn’t for America you would all be clicking your heels like Dorothy and scarfing down sauerkraut”. I’m ashamed of Americans like mom424 who have never did anything for this country in their life but yet make stupid remarks about someone’s mind set being the cause of all evils and looking to some imaginary village to protect her(yeah,if a terrorist gets after you call Guy Ritchie, he’ll be right over) and who try to ingratiate themselves to imbeciles by agreeing with every fool thing the assholes say. And goofy atheists wanting to debate Christians about Jesus when anyone with half a brain knows Christanity is based on faith. No,we don’t have a you tube video of Jesus being raised on the 3rd day..sorry.And I have never seen so many phonies.Everybody has advanced degrees in everything but yet you’re right here day after day instead of out discovering cures for dreaded diseases or finding out why King Tut died with a hard-on. That’s a classic “what’s wrong with this picture?”–The site is not inherently a bad one and at times is extremely interesting and I believe JFrater to be a good man with a witty sense of humor. (And I will buy a copy of his book from Amazon).–But there is too much emphasis on atheism and anti-Americanism for me. Of course this is JFrater’s web site to do with as he pleases. But it’s also my right to not have to read the same trash from the same deadheads day after day. So I’ll move on. If JFrater lets this post stay up a while you can all have a blast knocking the dumb American and mom424 can pitch right in there with her learned insights, so actually I’m doing you all a favor.There are 2 other British disasters I would like to mention.
1. The goofy royal family
2. Boy George
I will leave you with these words:
THERE’S A GERMAN BEHIND YOU!!–HaHa–
May 18th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
79. smithstar15: I beg to differ, but I believe you might find there are a few more of us with IQ’s in the range you would consider “high”.
I’m one. Randall is another. Anon, alas gone, is another. lo, too. I could mention another 12.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
79: Glad it’s your last post. Fuck off! There was nothing inelligent about your last post so don’t delude yourself.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
I went to WordPress to register my username. It is already registered by someone else.
This name was chosen for deeply personal reasons; I have an extremely rare and severely painful neurological genetic disease, a form of Schwannomatosis. It’s incidence in the population is 1 in 1,700,000, and no two people get the same presentation. It causes Schwann cell tumors to grown on, and around, thus engulfing, nerve roots and myelin sheathes. My case has attacked my entire spinal cord, from C1 through S5 bi-laterally. The pain is excruciating. I live on a diet of Oxycontin and Vicodin along with a dozen other drugs to alleviate the drugs and the side-effects of some of the drugs. Segue, in music meaning to move smoothly to what follows without pause, is to remind me always, in my life, no matter what life throws at me (and believe me, it’s a lot)to simply and smoothly proceed to the next thing without pause.
No other name will do that. This is me. So, I suppose when you go to WordPress, I will not be going along.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
As a Canadian, I have to agree that the Anti American idiots on here is disturbing to say the least!! Every bloody topic descends into blaming America…what a bunch of frickin’ losers!!
Shaftsburyboingo or whatever your name is…America is interested in protecting America…gee, what a novel concept huh?? THERE havn’t BEEN any attacks on American soil since 9-11….that is what the Bush Admin is referring too..
Just because England and Western Europe have suicadal immigration policies allowing millions of radical muslims into your countries, don’t go blaming America for that…Blame your owned damned liberal govts…Your problems are your problems…Not the U.S. Administration!!
Man, are there ever a lot of morons on the internet!!
This is one Canuck that supports you America!!
Devon in Calgary
May 18th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
The London bombings, my mother was in London at the time. She was actually going to go under ground near that area that SAME day, but her sister told her she’ll drive her instead. One of the scariest moment ever for me.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Smithstar15: I guess the joke is on you. I’m not American, and you get huffy at me? after I defended you on a previous list? and all because I took offense at you naming a country dummbakistan? What a baby. And for your info, no I haven’t contributed to our military – but tons of my family either served or are serving. Overseas as we speak. I also support our and your forces in Afghanistan; they are doing a necessary job. I assume you’re not including yourself in that grouping of high IQ’s eh? Care to know what mine is? (not that it always reflects common-sense – I’ve heard many who claim to have mensa capabilities say very dumb things.)
May 18th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Segue:well that’s really unfortunate.I hope some miracle will happen and get you well soon.
I feel excited and a bit nervous because I’ll be going back to school.I hope that I will be able to meet new friends:)
May 18th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Thank you, johnric. There will be no miracles for me, but maybe for the next generation.
Good luck at school! You’ll meet all sorts of new friends and have a wonderful life.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
OK, not to demean any of these but I was struck by the similarities of some of these disasters to those that have occurred in Peru…
- Munich Air Disaster = ALIANZA LIMA: December 8th, 1987, one of the “classic” Peruvian teams, Alianza Lima, was coming home from a game in the city of Pucallpa. Due to pilot inexperience, the plane crashed, killing all 43 passengers on board, including 16 players, 9 managers, 8 fans, 3 refs and 7 crew members.
- Aberfan = May 31,1970, Yungay, Peru. A magnitude 7.5 earthquake caused a landslide in the mountains of Peru resulting in the death of 67,000 people in the city of Yungay. The entire town was buried under the mud.
- Hillsborough = ESTADIO NACIONAL: May 24, 1964, a football (read soccer) game between Peru and Argentina, when with 10 minutes to go the ref annuls the goal that would have given Peru the tie, causing angry fans to storm the field which in turn led to police throwing tear gas… Big mistake. All of a sudden you’ve got 47,000 fans trying to get out of the stadium because they cannot breathe only to find themselves locked in (the stadium had barred its doors to prevent people with no tickets from getting in). In the end, 350 people died from being crushed by the crowd.
Again, I do not mean to diminsh the importance of the British tragedies, I was merely struck by the eerie parallels…
@ ThisNamesTaken, you said it “sickened” you when Americans expect pity for Columbine but know nothing about Dunblane. Should I be likewise “sickened” of you didn’t know about these Peruvian tragedies??
May 18th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
segue: Sorry to hear about your name not being available for you. I was thinking about your post over dinner and it kept bugging me. I don’t want to see you leave because of that. Is there another form or variation of the name that you can use? Like…segue-me or segue-music…something like that…that way it’s still special to you? I hope it works out for you!
May 18th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
88. GTT, I was also struck by the similarity between the Peruvian disasters and the British disasters. In every case, the Peruvian disasters were more deadly, and there were instances you left off (but they didn’t compare so one to one with the British).
May 18th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
89. oouchan, I don’t know. I’m racking my brain, trying to come up with a version that suits me, but I’m stumped so far. Your suggestions are good, except that WordPress accepts only letters and numbers. I would be grateful to anyone who came up a usable version of segue for WordPress…soon!
May 18th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
segue: the WordPress system allows for you to change your screen name so whatever your registered username might be, you can still post with whatever name you choose. I registered but Spange wasn’t available however I discovered that there is an option to change your nickname in the dashboard area under profile. Once you do this, the nickname you entered is available as an option in the dropdown under “Display name publicly as”.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
92. Spange: You’re a genius! I know it wasn’t for me but I am happy now for segue!
Hurry and sign up, sweetie!
May 18th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
segue:
Your former-flute player friend to the rescue!
possible new name suggestions:
Legato_segue – a smooth musical transition using smooth, soft notes (perhaps not ‘Wrath of segue’ applicable!)
Leggiero_segue – smooth musical transition into lighthearted direction
Maestoso_segue – a smooth, majestic musical transition
Obliggato_segue – a bit of a stretch here. Obligatto is usually a notation to mean a particular instrument is a very important accompaniment and cannot be removed for sake of the solo. So with the liberties I took with musical terminology, this means a very important transition that cannot be removed
May 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
or, of course, Spange’s suggestion, haha. I took too long with the music terms, apparently.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
I hate how the comments of EVERY list turns into a debate about America.
If you want Americans to stop thinking we’re the center of the universe, stop making us the center of YOURS!
May 18th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Whooo Hooooo! I signed up as segues! It’s the same thing, it’s just the active voice of the word, which is good, and, as Spange pointed out, I can post as segue anyway. So it’s good news all the way around.
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77. Eugene: I’ve lived in an earthquake zone all but 3 years of my life, and I’ve been through many, many quakes, both large and small. A 6.1 magnitude quake is pretty large. Right at Lockerbie I’d say you’d have an impact quake of about that magnitude, but it would quickly diminish as one moved away from the impact site.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
97. segue: Great news!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
#61: Me. Gosh, I must clarify myself – after thinking about it. Yes, many views have seen ‘live’ footage of these events; and by ‘live’ I mean repeated newsreel footage – but they don’t sensationalise it like they do now.
#65 Blogball – Your last sentence sums it up perfectly.
#76 TEX – Bravo!
#80 segue: c’mon. Those with massive IQs are wise enough to know it ain’t that significant. The more you know, the more there is to understand. It’s no great shakes.. I wish it were; – I’da been happy years ago!
#82 segue: A very touching moment of clarity. I can’t say whether any change to the site will ultimately be for the better; it may. A new approach could work wonders; or muck it up completely
. I’m gonna wait and see. Glad see those suggestions for names! What’s in a name? Oooh! you’d be surprised! Calling yourself this or that? Even in jest? Very.
#85: Mom424: – Yeah, to paraphrase Robert Anton Wilson: Everyone can be a schmuck. Even a genius can be a schmuck.. …It’s ok to notice you’re being a schmuck; ‘cuz then you can do something about it. It’s the schmucks who don’t know they’re schmucks – that’s the problem.
(and that’s not aimed at anybody; especially me – ‘cus I know I am one – quite often actually)
May 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
#99 Me – See I said that! Calling yourself names… – and then calling myself a schmuck. What a schmuck.
No, I say that because ’schmuck’ is probably the least offencive word you can put upon somebody; it can be mean’t with kindness and yes, a bit of empathy – you should hear what I used to call myself..
May 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
hey jfrater!
how about my list
i submitted one list about amonth ago
why is it not published yet?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
GTT – “Again, I do not mean to diminsh the importance of the British tragedies, I was merely struck by the eerie parallels…”
Actually, I don’t think this diminishes the importance of British tragedies but conveys the original intent of the author to add some international diversity. Many of these I already knew (pretty much all but the Paddington incident) but it’s still interesting to read the first or third-person stories shared in the comments. I’m sure you could come up with many more examples – I’d like to see a 10 list to expand on your comment 88! …and to keep from making this a depressing site to visit, could you make a lively and upbeat list too, please?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
79 smithstar15: This will be my last post on this site.
I will miss your moronic buffoonery.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:28 am
99. Lifeschool: re 80. segue : Yeah, Lifeschool, I know, but Smithstar15 was being such a jerk that I hoped he was sticking around for a read of reactions to his stated departure. I just wanted him to know that his “celebrated” IQ was of no importance. It was common. In fact he was common.
Re: the “massive” IQ’s. Luckily my children and I (I raised them as a single mother from the ages of 4,5 & 6) only have IQ’s in the 145 to 155 range (not your massive range), and your right, even at that it’s no big shakes. Makes learning and retention easier, and it keeps reminding you of all you’ll never know. My daughters and I are all right-brained, my son is globally brained, which is weird.
IQ’s really mean nothing. They are, if anything, only a measure of possibilities, not probabilities or guarantees.
I could write a paper on the subject, but this isn’t the place. Let’s just say I have some very strong feelings and they might surprise everyone.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:02 am
75. Handrejka-
i, too, when seeing “munich” thought first of the olympic terribleness, but as both happened before my time it was just another tragedy to learn
but woo-hooo! smithstar is leaving us of his own free-will?!
i’m happy about that. he mostly added hate-speech to any list he commented upon.
and segue, i’m not gone! i’ve just been rather busy in off-line life (a tree fell on my house while i was out of town, and other fun stuff). but anon, anon… i miss him greatly. thanks for remembering me
i was able to grab wordpress name lo1580, so i guess that will be me after the transition.
-segue -PLEASE do not leave the LV for the semantics, i will miss you so… there must be another apt name -i will email you if i have a really valid suggestion, so no one else grabs it from these comments… but what about adding a meaningful number to “segue” as i had to do? please don’t go.
ok, total form-foul confession, i’ve been writing one big comment as i read through the existing ones, and now i see segue has found a ‘wordpress’ name! yeah! i’d miss you if you hadn’t
and i agree (also notably to GTT) about echoes of peruvian disasters…
i usually separate my comments, but i feel the late-night bleach fumes of cleaning out a fridge after 2 weeks without power may have made me reckless! love to all the
LV
May 19th, 2009 at 1:28 am
lo, you are unforgettable! I did manage to leave out gabi (forgive me!) and GTT and Lifeschool, and Kiwiboi and and and…
May 19th, 2009 at 1:32 am
maggot-
please don’t encourage him to second-guess his choice to leave us
i have no problem -in fact, i enjoy- honest debate with those who stand 180 degrees away from my view points, but our afore named friend couldn’t really debate, he just dumped piles of hatred “backed up” with ad hominem “evidence” upon any who held views other than his own. and still, i fell for arguing every time…just couldn’t help myself…
May 19th, 2009 at 1:36 am
God i remember 7/7, was eerie.
Was in London at the time and i got a text message off my Mum asking me if i was ok, who the hell texts someone after a bombing to ask if they’re ok?
May 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
segue, you are unforgettable too
(hearing the nat/natalie king cole digital “duet” shivering in my brain right now. cheesy? sure. but still lovely and a bit creepy, and therefore perfect in a theatrical melodrama kind way? of course!) want to sing it now aloud (i’m kind of a reformed theater geek for singing), but that would be disrespectful of my neighbor here in our duplex….
May 19th, 2009 at 1:45 am
What about the Bradford Stadium Disaster???
On May 11th, 1985 when the pavilion at the Valley Parade Ground (home ground for Brdford City) was immolated by a flash fire during the game that was to propel Bradford into the 2nd Division (Championship League 2) with a win over Lincoln City.
56 people died! A much higher toll on life than Marchioness, Paddington – or even Munich!
The cause was determined to be either a cigarette or match dropped between the seats / floor gaps and into rubbish underneath.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:53 am
You forgot to add Amy Winehouse!
May 19th, 2009 at 6:08 am
#83 Devon – the 7/7 bombers were born and raised in britain, they weren’t immigrants. as far as i’m aware there haven’t been any successful terrorist attacks in the uk that have been caused by immigrants.
but i guess its easier to use immigrants as scapegoats than actually, you know, explain anything.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Segue, I’m sure you don’t know me, but I’m glad you were able to register. I enjoy reading your comments.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Here’s a few more off the top of my head -
Mooregate (as in tube disaster)
Hungerford (as in Hungerford massacre)
Kings Cross (as in Kings Cross fire)
May 19th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Shagrat, this list is called “10 British Disasters From Recent Times”, not “Every British Disaster From Recent Times” or “The 10 British Disasters From Recent Times With The Highest Death Toll”.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:32 am
90. segue:
Yes, it was more than a little eerie for me to read this list. Obviously we´ve had more than our share of tragedies but I only wanted to include directly comparable ones… I also purposefully left off all mention of terrorist attacks (such as Tarata) because ours were home-grown terrorists instead of Muslim ones…
gabi319 (102): Does that mean no mention of MRTA? Or the fire in Mesa Redonda? Actually, I might write a list, just not a very happy one…
May 19th, 2009 at 8:26 am
#104: segue – righ’d on! It’s all relative.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:00 am
My wife and I were actually in London a week before the 7/7 bombing, staying right near King’s Cross Station. That was our home stop on the underground. One week later, and we might not be here.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:21 am
107 lo: he just dumped piles of hatred “backed up” with ad hominem “evidence” upon any who held views other than his own.
At least he accused you of being “cute”. He called me a feces eater. I am still questioning my worth to society after that startling revelation.
May 19th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Re similar disasters from other countries, the Luzhniki disaster is very similar to Hillsborough but is little known. I think some of this is because the Soviet government hushed it up, perhaps if they’d been more open about it Hilsborough could have been prevented.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luzhniki_Disaster
May 19th, 2009 at 9:54 am
113. Nietzsche: Thank you. I always enjoy your slant on the issues at hand as well.
116. GTT: Yes, Tarata was one that came to mind, as did several others, but, like you, I kept it to ones that parralled the British disasters.
117. Lifeschool : Thanks! See you on the other side.
119. Maggot: He’s a moron. You’re a wonderful guy. Forget the whole thing. We, the usual suspects, love you. Now, move on.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:03 am
119. Maggot: Yeah…but he said he liked me the best. LOL.
You are not any way shape or form what he called you or any other name he called you. With those last couple of comments of his, I am fine with him not posting again.
May 19th, 2009 at 10:20 am
108. El_Karlo – “who the hell texts someone after a bombing to ask if they’re ok?”
Not sure if your mom’s normally a texter, but in stressful times like those, many people are trying to call others to see if they are ok. Lines get clogged and it’s hard to get through. It’s actually easier to send and receive texts than phonecalls.
106. segue – “I did manage to leave out gabi (forgive me!)”
There was nothing needed to forgive!
GTT:
Had to google MRTA because I didn’t know it. Write and submit that list already! I only know and understand Latin American history from an art history point of view so I’m sadly lacking (but on the plus side, I smarter than the average bear/art student since I took more than just the required western art history courses!). I’m curious to see what you’ll have on there.
I’ve been scrounging my brain for an interesting angle for a pre-Columbian art history list to write. Merely my insistence to add some non-mainstream topics as well as my feeble attempts to bulk up the art list topics (even though it was polled third least popular). meh, what can I say…I stubbornly refuse to believe that art is boring!
May 19th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Re: maggots eating feces
hey hey hey…that is a VERY important part of the circle of life! Dirty jobs may not sound pleasant but they are a valuable asset to society…an obliggato, if you will. And those with dirty jobs are some of the nicest, kindest, most pleasant people in the world!
At least dirty jobs lower cased. In regards to Dirty Jobs uppercase (the cable tv show with Mike Rowe)…I recommend not watching that in High Definition while eating dinner.
May 19th, 2009 at 11:37 am
segue, oouchan, gabi: [blush] aw, you guys are sweet, but I wasn’t fishing for compliments. Trust me, his barbs towards me had less affect than an annoying gnat buzzing around my head. Besides, I know I am “cute” on the inside…
122 oouchan: he said he liked me the best.
Well you do have quite the menagerie of stalkers here, you know.
124 gabi: Dirty Jobs uppercase (the cable tv show with Mike Rowe)
LOL that’s one of my son’s favorite shows. We watch it all the time. Nothing like viewing raw sewage in Hi-Def !
May 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I wonder if Columbine and V-Tech are well known outside of the US.
May 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
LMXV (126):
Yes, they are (or at least they should be to anyone who actually watches the news).
Just like tragedies in other countries should be just as well know to people in the US.
It all depends on how much importance you give to things like WORLD EVENTS and the NEWS.
(I´m not trying to be sarcastic, it´s just that there are people everywhere who dont give a crap about what happens outside their own lives…)
May 19th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Not forgetting the Chinnook disaster in ‘86 Shetland 45 died and more recently the Super Puma in April of the coast of Peterhead where 16 died.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
119. Maggot -
he did accuse me of being “cute” -and without a life. but then again, he thinks ann coulter is “a cutie” too. i’d side with you “feces eaters” over coulter any day!
we like you, and we’re not hideous asshats, so there’s that
May 19th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I have to laugh, this is a serious list about the loss of what 1,000s of lives and all one tw*t (not twit) can do is joke about British people’s teeth, wow, did you watch too many charles dickens adaptations or what?! At least our teeth are good enough that we don’t need fake ones!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I`ve only heard of #5,8&10 but that`s my ignorance.
111 madmonkey- Amy Winehouse,that was pretty funny.
May 19th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
I won’t name the tragedy, but the event where the attacker asked the mother to choose between her older girl and her baby son. She picked her baby son. They both were saved. But her daughter is going to live with that for the rest of her life. Her mother chose the other child over her. How terrible is that. Unfathomable.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:11 am
This was my first submission, thanks to the people who liked and discussed it! As I said, they were the ones I remembered most about, and Omagh would have been in it instead of 7/7 but it was about half past midnight.
FTR, Americans are lovely, couldn’t eat a whole one
May 20th, 2009 at 6:29 am
it is hillsborough, not heysel!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:42 am
It is Hillsborough now, it was Heysel before.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:30 am
I lived in England and was getting ready to go to London the day of the 7/7 bombings. I would’ve been all in the subways that day. Kinda freaky. Now I’m back home in Texas.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Jamie, you still have Devon’s response to me on this. Pwople are going to think he’s talking to himself.
Take a look sometime at the comments Yogi Barrister has made about you and listverse, or the list I submitted. Contrast the bonhomie of my non-political posts to the snide douchiness of Jay K’s lists and the hostility you are getting from me now. Putting my comments won’t help you. I’m a member and a stock holder of the HMO you had advertising on the hate list. I’ll be sending a screenshot of that to the appropriate people. You having fun yet? If it turns out Jay K is associated with any hate groups in America, you’re not even going to get a visa to do your book tour.
May 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
37. BongoShaftsbury -
getting all-crazy-like on the side of the left is no more flattering or credible than when folks on the right do it.
i’m about as leftist-progressive as it is possible to be, and yet your posts seem to cross the line between “yeah, that’s a great point in this argument” and “oh wait, he’s spewing ideological crazy” most of the time.
if you can’t rein it in, i will begin to suspect you of violating poe’s law, in your own weird little way. there is a difference between logical argument and pure rabid emotional dissent. look for it, learn it, use it. real logic is always our most valuable weapon. or you will continue to discredit us all -unless you are a POE of course…
May 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
uhm, why is my comment #138 in moderation? cyn? mom? anybody?
it contains no “swear words” or “hate speech” of numerical d*ck waving? what’s the deal?
i think i am a generally nice commenter here, i’m confused….
May 20th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
the only thing i can think of is i quoted the name of a contributer who is himself perhaps in moderation. it wasn’t mentioning “poe’s law” was it? i guess this post will let me know…
May 20th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
and when my comment does pop up, i meant “or” numerical dick-waving, not “of.”
and do google “poe’s law” it’s revealing, fun, and disturbing all at once.
May 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
140. lo: I am reading up on the poe’s law…hahaha! How funny and disturbing. Very weird stuff. Thanks for sharing!
May 20th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
oouchan my dear, you’re very welcome.
i was reading a bunch of progressive pro-science blogs and i kept seeing comments ending “but you’re a poe,” on all the heated topics, and i just had to learn what the heck they were talking about.
so, for our lazier friends:
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Poe’s_Law
May 21st, 2009 at 12:50 am
lo, good god woman! Poe’s law is one of those ideas about which you could have told me, with a perfectly straight face, and I would have thought you a crazy woman.
I went ahead and read the link you provided, and then (Wiki being Wiki), delved further into the subject. I was agog! I mean, this is something I’ve done myself (not on this subject of course) but it’s an easy trick to pull with a properly prepared audience. An audience of believers in whatever-it-is you are parodying.
I just never knew how far some Christian fundamentalists went in their beliefs. It mystifies me.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:18 am
JFT96YNWA
May 21st, 2009 at 3:44 pm
lo, I echo segue’s (and oouchan’s) comments about Poe’s Law. Nice, thanks for enlightening us! Check out some of the example links in that article. Hilarious. Now I just have to resist the temptation to overuse it myself. Overuse the term, I mean. Heck, I commit the act daily. Or do I?
May 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pm
i’m always happy to enlighten when i can
playing the “surely this site is a parody…or is it?” game is both fun and frightening.
May 22nd, 2009 at 7:05 am
From what I’ve seen lists only descend into America bashing because even if the list has nothing to do with America, many Americans deviate from the list to talk about American examples. Because, as we all know, America is the centre of the universe. If something is loosely related to America let’s just forget the original topic and yammer on about the American thing.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
148. Blair. – May 22nd, 2009 at 7:05 am
From what I’ve seen lists only descend into America bashing because even if the list has nothing to do with America, many Americans deviate from the list to talk about American examples.
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The post quoted below is the first mention of America on this list, and it was obviously *not* from an American! See my reply @ #57.
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#18. ThisNamesTaken – May 18th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I always found it sickening that Americans expected the whole world to care about the Columbine shootings, yet I’ve not met a single American who even knows about Dunblane.
May 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Segune, I wasn’t neccassarily talking about this list.
May 22nd, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I’m glad that some people remember the Bradford Fire Disaster.
My cousin (actually, my mothers cousin) died there.
All I can say about it is that losing a relative in such a way is somehow different from losing a relative from disease or accident.
The Football game was televised, LIVE, and therefore still around on video tapes and now, unfortunately, on the internet for the amusement of sicko’s to watch.
In 2006, I was at a friends house and someone brough a dvd of the infamous ‘Bumfights2′ film. That showed footage of the Bradford Fire. My heart sank and I could barely contain myself, even though the footage was only on for a few seconds. I remained quiet and told nobody in the room about how this affected me.
Last year, I was surfing Youtube and again, saw this horrible footage posted on there. I flagged the video, but in order to do so, I had to click on the thumb to do so, so i only saw about a second of it.
Although many years have passed since 11th May 1985, this event does occasionally reappear to haunt those that lost loved ones and the supporters of both Bradford and Lincoln football teams.
May they all, and the rest of the people who perished in this list, Rest in Peace.
May 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
150. Blair. -
if your comment was about some other list then why did you post it on this one?
trolling are we?
May 23rd, 2009 at 11:04 am
Lo, No I’m not. The topic came up and I felt a need to comment upon it, I did not bring the topic up.
May 27th, 2009 at 3:41 am
You forgot to mention that the herald of free enterprise had a sister ship called the pride of free enterprise which, when townsend thoreson collapsed following the sinking of the H.O.F.E. was sold to a company in asia where it too capsised killing many on board in 2006 .
June 5th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Travis i dont think it was 60 million left ‘dead’ as u say, scotland werent bothered and i dnt think wales were really tht bothered about england not qualifying
June 5th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
800,000 dead in Rwanda..the destruction in Iraq and Afghanistan, makes all these pale somewhat. That said, all innocent life lost in wars or disasters are sad, wherever in the world they happen. The recent Air France aircrash over the Atlantic shows how fragile life can be and how complacent we become while flying. Thanks Lo for Poe!
June 9th, 2009 at 4:50 am
Once again the Ibrox Disaster not included, 66 fans dead.
Im a Rangers fan and a Liverpool fan and I think that both disasters should be on here. The whole world mourns Hillsborough and Munich but the only people who are left to mourn the 66 innocent people killed at the Ibrox Disaster is us, the Rangers fans.
Remember the 66
JFT96
June 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
One sad event I remember was the fire at Kings Cross, probably because I was married to a fireman at the time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Cross_fire
June 12th, 2009 at 2:18 am
oh yes i remember all of these
and in the great british tradition i got about twenty texts with a LMAO joke on about each of them except the 1’s that happened b4 mobiles were invented/popular
if we were americants it would of been 10 wars atleast to get the people who live in the next country to the people that bombed them
lol
June 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
The picture for Hillsborough is still a picture of the Heysel Stadium. Also, I would term at least some of these as atrocities rather than disasters. Dunblane was certainly something which was premeditated by Thomas Hamilton and callously carried out, that’s an atrocity not a disaster. I’d like to see where you get Hamilton was a suspected paedophile from? Never heard that theory before.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Good list…and as a British person I had only heard of about half of these…most being before my time so found it very informative.
The one that sticks in my mind above the others is Dunblane, just because I was the same age as those kids when it happened, and I remember getting home from school and my mum crying. It was crazy. I also remember hardly anyone was at school the next day.
I also remember shortly afterward our school getting a security system meaning that not anyone could walk into the school at anytime…think this happened across the board. It’s almost weird to think of schools not having security systems like this previously.
October 5th, 2009 at 9:39 am
British disasters are as boring as my last years philosophy lectuer i was doing for my masters
October 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
@NIRAJVILLA (162): we have a word here in Britain to describe people like u…. it is Twat.
i was young when some of these happened,so only remember little bits. the Dunblane shootings story was horrible to watch on the news
i went to Lockerbie with my mum and dad a few years after it happened,such a peaceful place.