The first documented case of psychosurgery was in 1888 by Swiss psychiatrist Gottlieb Burckhardt. He claimed success in 50% of patients (3 of 6) Burckhardt was met with overt criticism from his contemporary medical colleagues. The next attempt at this type of surgery did not occur until the mid 1930s which produced many documented success stories and soon became an accepted surgery procedure in many countries. From the late 1930s to the 1970s approximately 100,000 psychosurgeries / lobotomies were performed world-wide.
Note: I know many will wonder why Francis Farmer in not included in this list. There is no proof that Francis Farmer ever had a lobotomy and the author who initially alleged this admitted in a court proceeding that he had made it up.
Notable Because: First prefrontal lobotomy procedure in the United States
The first prefrontal lobotomy in the United States was performed in 1936 on 63 year old Alice Hood Hammatt by Dr. Walter Freeman and Dr. James Watts. The doctors started the surgery by making incisions 3 centimeters in length and then using an auger (drill) they made holes in the skull over the left and right frontal lobes. They then inserted a leucotome (a narrow shaft) 4 centimeters straight down through the hole on the left side into the exposed surface of the brain. The entire operation lasted about an hour. Some months after her surgery, Hammatt suffered a convulsion likely related to her surgery. However she continued to live with reduced anxiety and stayed out of mental hospitals. Her husband thought she behaved more normally than ever before after the surgery and called the next five years the happiest of her life. Alice Hammatt contracted pneumonia and died at age 68.
Interesting Fact: Freeman and Watts closely followed the same procedure as Egas Moniz and Almeida Lima who performed the same surgery a year earlier which they called “leucotomy”. Moniz was a Portuguese neurosurgeon and the first Portuguese to receive a Nobel Prize for his discovery of the therapeutic value of leucotomy in certain psychoses.
Notable Because: American Actor
Warner Baxter is best known for his role as The Cisco Kid in Old Arizona, for which he won the Academy Award for Best Actor. By 1936, Baxter was the highest paid actor in Hollywood earning $284,000. Baxter made over a hundred films between 1914 and 1950. Later in life Baxter suffered from arthritis. During this time many people were lobotomized for constant pain, such as chronic or severe backaches and agonizing headaches. Baxter’s arthritis became so painful he decided to have an ill-advised lobotomy to ease the pain. Baxter died shortly after the surgery of pneumonia.
Interesting Fact: during the prefrontal lobotomy heyday in the 1940s and ’50s, it was performed on more than 40,000 patients in the United States, and on around 10,000 in Western Europe
Notable Because: Modernist painter
Sigrid Hjertén is considered a major figure in Swedish modernism and was married to a well know expressionist painter Isaac Grünewald. Hjertén and Grünewald regularly exhibited together at home and abroad and are often recognized as being responsible for introducing modernism to Sweden. Hjertén suffered from lifelong mental health problems that resulted in her being hospitalized for extended periods in the 1930s. An increasing tension can be seen in her art and reaches its height before the disease forces her to quit painting. In 1937 when she was hospitalized permanently, Grünewald divorced her and married his mistress. In 1946 Grünewald and his second wife were killed in an airplane crash. Hjertén died two years later after a botched lobotomy. Sigrid Hjerén’s total production amounted to slightly more than 500 paintings, together with sketches, water-colors and drawings.
Interesting Fact: Scandinavian hospitals lobotomized 2.5 times as many people per capita as hospitals in the United States. Sweden lobotomized at least 4,500 people between 1944 and 1966. A large majority of these surgeries were performed on women.
Notable Because: Internationally recognized singer
Alys Robi (real name Alice Robitaille) was Born in Quebec City and displayed talent for singing and acting at a very young age. She first performed on-stage at the Capitol Theater at age 7. In 1948, at age 25 she was injured in a car accident and entered a period of depression. After a failed romance she suffered a mental breakdown and was interned for several years in a Quebec City asylum. She was subjected to a lobotomy against her will but later credited the operation with her recovery and understood that she was one of the rare success stories. In 1952, she was released and reentered stage but her efforts were impeded by taboos of mental illness. Robi never regained the same level of popularity. However in the early 1990s Robi returned into the public eye after the massive success she had with a song written for her by Alain Morisod. The song is called “Laissez-moi encore chanter” which you can hear in the clip above.
Interesting Fact: Robitaille has published two autobiographies: Ma Carrière, ma vie (“My career, my life) and Long Cri dans la nuit: Cinq Années à l’Asile (“Long cry in the night: five years in the asylum)
Notable Because: First transorbital or “ice pick” lobotomy
The first transorbital (ice pick) lobotomy was performed in 1946, also by Dr. Walter Freeman. Ionesco was a 29 year-old housewife and mother who was described as violently suicidal. In His Washington D.C. office, Freeman rendered Ionesco unconscious through electroshock. He then inserted an ice pick above her eyeball, banged it through her eye socket into her brain and then swirled it around in a sort of eggbeater motion to scramble the neural connections. The family considered the operation a success and a blessed relief. She lost some memory function but was relatively intact and led a fairly normal life.
Interesting Fact: Ionesco’s daughter is quoted saying “It’s a hard decision to make, but inevitably life is just full of decisions like that… For me it was a good thing. I think for mama it was a good thing. And I think the lobotomy he did on her was a very good thing. Certainly the electroshock therapy was. Of course now they have medicine for this, so it’s all a moot point. But they had nothing back then. That’s the thing, people who are looking at it don’t understand, they didn’t have anything else and nobody was coming up with anything.”
Notable Because: Received Lobotomy at 12 years old
In 1960 Howard Dully was brought in for the procedure because his stepmother described him as “unbelievably defiant,” saying among other things: He objects to going to bed and does a good deal of daydreaming. After Howard’s stepmother visited with Dr. Freeman, he suggested that the family should consider the possibility of changing Howard’s personality by means of transorbital lobotomy.” Howard’s stepmother convinced her husband (Howard’s Father) that is was the best thing for his son and then gave the doctors his approval. Dully took decades to recover from the surgery; he was institutionalized, incarcerated, and was eventually homeless and an alcoholic. Eventually Dully sobered up and received a college degree and became a California state certified instructor for a school bus company in San Jose, California.
Interesting Fact: When Dully was in his 50s he embarked on a two year journey to uncover what happened to him as a child. He spoke with his family and his relatives and other lobotomy patients of Dr. Freeman and gained access to Freeman’s archives. Dully was one of the youngest patients to receive an “ice pick” lobotomy and the first patient ever to obtain a picture of his own lobotomy.
Notable Because: Sister of Tennessee Williams
Rose Isabel Williams was born, two years before her brother, Thomas (Tennessee). The two grew up together and became as close as twins. At 18 Rose’s relationships became inconstant and she began to feel unloved. Her behavior had become so erratic that her mother decided to send her away to school in Vicksburg. Later she was committed to a State Hospital and diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic. In 1943 after six years of hopeless treatment, including shock therapy, Rose was given a bilateral prefrontal lobotomy that was sanctioned by her mother. After the surgery Rose had lost much of her personality which caused Tennessee intense remorse and guilt for not being able to prevent the surgery from happening and for some time harbored ill feelings toward his mother Edwina for allowing the surgery to happen. Rose provided Tennessee Williams inspiration for his plays, Suddenly, Last Summer and The Glass Menagerie.
Interesting Fact: When Tennessee Williams died in 1983 he willed most of his estate to the University of the South in Sewanee, Tenn., with the bulk of it to remain in trust for his sister during her lifetime. When Rose Williams died in 1996 the University of the South announced that they would receive $7 million. The photo above shows Edwina Dakin Williams reading to her children Rose and Tom (the future “Tennessee”).
Notable Because: Famous Violinist
Josef Hassid (Józef Chasyd) was born in Poland to a Jewish family and is considered by many as one of the greatest violinist of our time. When Hassid lost his mother as a boy he started showing a quite timid and reclusive temperament. In 1938 he moved to Britain with his father and in 1940 made a magnificent first appearance in London at the age of 16. While performing what is considered one of the most technically complicated pieces of music ever written for violin.(Concerto in D major, Op. 35 by Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky) he had a memory lapse. Then in 1941 he experienced deep depression and suffered a nervous breakdown. He was then committed to St Andrew’s Hospital in Northampton where he underwent insulin coma therapy and electroconvulsive therapy. After a short period spent with his father out of the clinic he was eventually diagnosed with an acute case of schizophrenia and committed again, this time to Long Grove Hospital mental asylum in Epsom, Surrey, which had a wing for Polish civilians. There he remained until his death at 26 caused by an unsuccessful lobotomy.
Interesting Fact: Hassid left us with only 9 recordings. You can hear his Meditation de Thais by Massenet in the clip above.
Notable Because: Sister of John F. Kennedy
Rosemary was said to have been considered retarded by members of her family but that assessment has been widely disputed by subsequent analysts. Some concluded that Rosemary may not have been as brilliant as other members of her family but she was a fully functioning person, kept a diary and had an active social life. Rosemary was reportedly subject to violent mood swings and a stormy personality however some observers have since attributed this behavior to her difficulties in keeping up with her active siblings. In 1941, when Rosemary was 23, her father Joseph Kennedy was told by her doctors that a new procedure would help calm her mood swings that the family found difficult to handle at home. Her father gave permission for the prefrontal lobotomy to be performed by Walter Freeman and James Watts. After the surgery Rosemary was reduced to an infantile mentality that left her incontinent and staring blankly at walls for hours. Her verbal skills were reduced to unintelligible babble. In 1949, Rosemary moved to an institution and was visited on regular occasions by her sister Eunice Kennedy Shriver who became the founder of the Special Olympics.
Interesting Fact: During the surgery Rosemary had a mild tranquilizer but was awake. Dr. Freeman asked her to recite the Lord’s Prayer or sing “God Bless America” or count backwards. An estimate on how far to cut was based on how she responded. When she became incoherent, they stopped. When Rosemary died in 2005 at age 86 she was the fifth of the Kennedy children to die but the first to die from natural causes.
Notable Because: Last Lobotomy performed by Dr. Walter Freeman
I thought it only fitting to place Dr. Freeman’s last lobotomy in the number one spot. In 1967, Freeman received a visit from Helen Mortensen who was one of his first 10 trans-orbital patients in 1946. She suffered a relapse of her psychiatric symptoms in 1956 and Freeman gave her a second operation. After several more years of working productively, Mortensen wanted a third lobotomy. Freeman did the surgery and severed a blood vessel in Mortensen’s brain. Three days later, Mortensen died. The hospital then revoked Freeman’s surgical privileges and he retired soon after.
Interesting Fact: Walter Freeman performed about 3,500 lobotomies in 23 states during his career of which 2,500 were his ice-pick procedure. Freeman died from cancer on May 31, 1972 at the age of 76. You can watch a short documentary of Dr. Freeman here.





















June 24th, 2009 at 1:38 am
Warner Baxter’s Oscar winning film is In Old Arizona, not just Old Arizona. Good list.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:39 am
Scary stuff….at 50% chance would you get it done?
June 24th, 2009 at 1:40 am
i felt like getting a lobotomy for this list, rather boring and far too long talking points, not interesting at all
June 24th, 2009 at 1:40 am
* have got it done
June 24th, 2009 at 1:51 am
I wonder what we think is modern science or ‘right’ now that will be viewed in later times as complete b/s or incorrectly prescribed. I once watched a video called “An Angel at my table” about a woman who was put in a psychiatric ward and had countless electric shock treatments when it was not needed. Still haunts me till today.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:51 am
Gremlinmiller…how I envy you. Lobotomy was featured heavily in the popular, critically acclaimed, Oscar-winning film, One Flew Over Cukoo’s Nest by Milos Forman, starring Jack Nicholson and Louis Fletcher. I think about that film after reading the list. Both the book and film kick ass. Such a great movie! Tragic and comic at the same time. The 2nd film to win the Oscar’s Grand Slam.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:33 am
My brain hurts!
June 24th, 2009 at 2:33 am
very scary !
June 24th, 2009 at 2:42 am
argh.. feels like some scenes in horror movies.. brrr..
June 24th, 2009 at 2:53 am
poor rosemary kennedy……
June 24th, 2009 at 2:54 am
Phineas Gage – Accidental Lobotomy
June 24th, 2009 at 3:02 am
@owly (7): I totally second your opinion. There is always more to discover about psychiatric ailments and how to cure them. But mostly it’s the attitude towards mental diseases that should change. With the help of modern pharmacology and psychological support it is indeed possible for most mental patients to lead fairly normal lives, all without recurring to such gruesome methods as lobotomy. If only these new treatments were available back when my grandmother got locked up in an asylum and was subjected to electroshocks to “cure” her depression.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:37 am
I’d rather a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.
June 24th, 2009 at 4:24 am
@ astraya (13):
LOL… best comment on this list so far!! kudos!
I love these lists that are so boring no one actually has anything to say… sorry Blogball!
June 24th, 2009 at 4:26 am
“He then inserted an ice pick above her eyeball, banged it through her eye socket into her brain and then swirled it around in a sort of eggbeater motion to scramble the neural connections.” How did ANYONE think this was a good idea??? I can’t get over it…
And poor Rosemary Kennedy – many of these stories are sad but I’ve heard hers before. I wonder how many “difficult” women ended up like her.
@ astraya – ha!
June 24th, 2009 at 4:54 am
Nameless,
Sorry about your grandmother. Interestingly, though, even these days electroshock is still used (but *very* rarely). As I understand it, it’s only used for very severe cases when nothing else has worked. It’s definitely not regarded the same way it used to be, though.
Rosemary Kennedy’s story is heartbreaking. I’m amazed at most of the success stories – I would not think any sort of lobotomy would end up being positive, just because you’re forcing trauma on your brain.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:11 am
@Nelia (15): “I wonder how many “difficult” women ended up like her. ” I would imagine, too many.
Blogball–I commend this excellently researched and well worded list..The subject matter is apropos to today’s field of science regarding mental health, and the public’s perception of actual progress on the field.
To those out there that doubt the efficacy of today’s medications used to help the mentally unstable reach some sort of normalcy in their daily lives–remember this list when you trash talk court ordered meds, and want to continue to blindly support the right of the individual to chose to abstain from their prescriptions.
Lobotomy was seen as the miracle cure for many mental dysfunctions during the early-mid 1900’s, and a rather high number of families sought this cure for the sake of an encumbered family member.
This list is a testimony to the value of research, and eventual cure/maintenance through enlightenment gained.
And as for the picture for Howard Dully (#5) No wonder it was called “Knitting Needle” lobotomy. There is nothing clinical about the looks of that instrument. It actually looks like a one of a pair of chopsticks that I own. ( never to be eaten with again.
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June 24th, 2009 at 5:19 am
One more kudos to Blogball–Lobotomy is becoming one of those words of the past..the kind of word that draws blank stares from the youngsters these days.
Hopefully this list has helped these youngsters understand why it is important to support responsible research in all fields of medicine and health care.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:20 am
How did anyone really think that was a good idea? “Like an eggbeater motion to scramble the neural connections” ! ! ! Jeees!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 5:50 am
@Travis (14): “I love these lists that are so boring no one actually has anything to say… sorry Blogball!” Sorry Travis – I found this list anything but boring, but everyone’s different and entitled to an opinion.
The picture of Howard Dully breaks my heart. It sounds like he was a pretty normal kid. Maybe he only had ADHD. His stepmother reinforces the “evil stepmother” stereotype.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Woah, the whole ’swirling it round like an eggbeater’ thing must have been nice! I bet some of these ‘lobotomists’ were sadists!
How did they find the guinea pigs for these operations, does anybody know?
June 24th, 2009 at 6:04 am
@deeeziner (18):
Heh… did you mean to include the phrase “draw blank stares” in your comment? That made me grin a bit.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Cool list, Blogball.
I found this very interesting. Sad for that little boy. It seems that if you were being difficult back in the day, then it became a ‘let’s fix you’ by having part of your brain removed. Very scary stuff.
At least it was a surprise that many were able to go on to lead normal lives.
@moonbeam (20): That was exactly my thought about the “evil stepmother”. She just couldn’t hack it.
Could you imagine if we could just do that today? How many children might suffer through this because parents can’t handle the ‘teenage’ years? Now that’s a scary thought!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:13 am
@damien_karras (22): I almost edited my wording as I thought it a bit too punny for the comment…but heyy.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Great list, thanks blogball.
Nameless I’m sorry about your grandmother. I’m so thankful we’ve progressed from this, I suffer from depression and generalised anxiety disorder. Though I promise you current treatments still need improving and access to therapies such as CBT/DBT need to be more readily available. Recovery can be a long and tedious.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:20 am
@Chineapplepunk (21):” How did they find the guinea pigs for these operations, does anybody know?”
If I recall correctly from a life of trivia gained..Freeman petitioned to the families of patients for the proper permissions received, with little previous experience to back-up his claims of an improved life for the family member involved.
There were also many indigent handicapped with no families or other protectors, in those mental wards in the era that the lobotomy was used, and not so many laws to safeguard their rights.
On behalf of the earlier pioneered methods from Europe, I would imagine much of the same tactics were used to secure their guinea pigs.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Good God, I feel so bad for Rosemary Kennedy and Howard Dully. Their stories kinda remind me of the concept of people being buried alive.
I’ll definitely head on over to watch that short video on Dr. Freeman..
You, sir, have created a most awesome, gruesome list.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:25 am
Awesome as usual Blogball despite the naysayers. Not boring at all. Amazing to me that at anytime it was thought that a cure for brain damage (not even that in some cases) would be to cause more. My guess would be that many of the lobotomies performed were for the benefit of the care givers – whether the patient’s family or the institution they were residing in.
oouchan; I wouldn’t say many went on to lead normal lives – some did. And what exactly is the definition of normal? Seems to me being robbed of the highs along with the lows isn’t a very fair trade in most instances. Mental retardation and death definitely weren’t.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:28 am
If you put anything in someones brain then swirl it around like an egg-beater you need to go to jail your no better than the doctor in house on haunted hill thats just sick.:-(
June 24th, 2009 at 6:35 am
IN RE–#2-Rosemary Kennedy–Too bad it wasn’t done to her brothers!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Jesus, what a horrible video!
Hyperactive children => LOBOTOMY!!!
Depressed housewives => LOBOTOMY!!!
I can’t imagine what it would be like back then to know that there is no other way to get better than to let some guy pick into my brains, or my children’s brains for that matter. Now, I think “Why would any person consent to this procedure?”, but back then, that’s all there was…
June 24th, 2009 at 6:43 am
@mom424 (28): I was thinking along the lines of the many lobotomies that were done. Many patients did go on to lead normal lives compared to what they had before. Yeah, some things were sacrificed. But normalcy for you might not be what is normal for them or for me. Just getting through a day without an episode could be considered as normal.
If you exclude the forced surgeries due to the people who couldn’t handle their loved ones then many of the rest seem to have helped (a bit) those who had conditions.
By today’s standard, this is a barbaric treatment. Now we have pills that we hand out by the dozen. I would still choose the pills above a lobotomy, however.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:47 am
The weird thing about Dr. Freeman is that he received many, many, letters from the families of his patients/victims applauding his efforts.
Even from the families of patients that did not survive the surgery and those that became catatonic and unresponsive from the procedure.
He kept those letters as a way to motivate/validate his pursuit of the lobotomy, even after more effective, less invasive procedures were becoming the preferred method of treatment.
His adamant stand almost bordered fanaticism, and caused him to pursue his career through a few different institutes prior to his last listed surgery here.
Pardon any redundancies to Blogball’s link.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:53 am
God, lobotomies were such barbaric rituals fit for the middle ages, much less the 20th century! How can such a horrible procedure become commonplace, even popular? I mean, half the people did not really need a lobotomy; they were just a little difficult. And besides, the number of tragedies and failures far outnumber the amount of successes.
As for Dr. Freeman, I heard that he would go on little outdoor “shows” to perform a lobotomy. Since you have to do the ice pick in both eyes, he had learned, with an air of entertainment and show, to use two ice picks with two eyes at the same time. People would show up and watch the cranial soup be made (so to speak).
There’s a great podcast that dedicates an interesting episode to the subject, from HowStuffWorks, it’s called Stuff You Should Know.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:54 am
interesting list… thanks!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Hey there. I haven’t been too fussed about reading list items of late until this week, and I have to say Blogball, your list drew me in; very informative, factual, and actually quite (morbidly) interesting. It’s lists like these that really help the reader to understand the subject – and help to form a reasonable opinion.
Lobotomy is said to ‘work’ in some cases due to the capasity of the human brain to grow back and re-connect disrupted neurological connections. The theory being that by breaking into the skull and affecting the frontal lobes, the patient will loose contact with any trauma associated with social acceptability, unreasonable attitudes towards ‘good’ and ‘bad’, and seeing unhelpful connections between the self and events that have happened in ones life. Unfortunately, there is still no way of knowing where and what to cut – as the brain is still seen as the most complex organic structure in the known universe. Going in with an ice-pick and ’seeing what happens’ is as random as meddling with one DNA strand and ’seeing what happens’ as science [sic] has moved on to.
Having had depression, mood swings etc, I have a good idea of what it’s like to be in need of help. I also believe that the most permanent way to rewire the brain to to have the patient rewire it themselves; perhaps through acceptance therapy, trauma counselling, or cognitive therapy. Drugs (in my case) sometimes mask the symptoms; a bit like having a wasp in a jar and then putting a tight lid on it; – watch as it gets angry and tries to break out! Or perhaps the drugs make you feel mentally incapable of higher thought, and turn you into a living zombie; then it’s like throwing a blanket over the wasp – it’s still there…. but you are oblivious to it for a while.
I (personally) recovered without mind-numbing chemicals, shocks, or drilling the head to ‘relieve the pressure’ – but only because I took the initiative, worked hard to find the problems, and talked to a lot of people.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:28 am
Dude! Number 5!!! Average kid who likes to daydream and doesn’t want to go to bed on time is forced to submit to brain damage by failed parents. That’s horrifying!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:33 am
This list is fascinating, and well-documented, but once again you may have missed the most famous, #1 lobotomy of all time: the wonderful actress Frances Farmer. This was well documented in the film “Frances,” starring Jessica Lange. VERY surprising you didn’t include her in the list somewhere, possibly even a #1.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Did this bastard make it to that “Evil people” list?
June 24th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Freemans a Dick.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:51 am
@Bob Canter (38): In the intro it mentions Farmer and why Frances was excluded.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Session 9 is another terrific movie that touches on this procedure.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:13 am
@dbrownl (3): you must either be very young & your lobes have not reached maturity, or you have already had a lobotomy done without your knowledge-this list is very very interesting! medicine itself is fascinating, with it’s trials & errors, it’s successes & failures.
@Chineapplepunk (21): they used those afflicted with mental disorders, & convinced their families to approve of the ‘new’ procedures. not unlike experimental medical experiments being done today. have you heard about uterine transplants???? i have very mixed feelings about THAT.
@Lifeschool (36): i’ve enjoyed reading your posts over the past few weeks…reminds me of the caliber of intelligent thought & conversations & friendly mature banter tossed about by Segue, Mom424, Rushfan, Buckslim, Randall, Kreature, Kiwiboi, & myself. i am getting a little exasperated at all the whiners on here lately…”this list is boring”, ” this list is lame”, ” why are we arguing religion?” gets very old very fast…i want to perform a home lobotomy, or at lest, a trepan, when i read those over & over & over…
rtr
June 24th, 2009 at 8:21 am
9 boring lists in a row..no hatin’ tho.. still one of my favorite educational sites though.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:29 am
In the best cases lobotomy was a barbaric and last-resource treatment which alleviated worse symptoms, but clearly Dr. Freeman committed abuse.
Phineas Gage´s amazing case was crucial for understanding the frontal lobe functions and consequent changes in personality, but maybe deserves to be high raked in another Top List:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phineas_Gage
There were other inhuman methods such as the Insulin Shock therapy (brutal and uncivilized):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_shock_therapy
Great list.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:02 am
You forgot the legion of Rush Limbaugh Dittoheads!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Lobotomies fascinate me for some reason. I really enjoyed this list. Thanks!
There is also a movie about Alys Robi called Ma Vie en Cinémascope starring Pascale Bussières. Fantastic movie.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Just a quick read got to run will catch up later.
# 43 ringtailroxy I agree with you on your comment to Lifeschool but you left out one very dedicated contributer to this site and that is oouchan.
Thanks Blogball back a little later.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I think I would probably consider undergoing the procedure if I was in a desperate state of ongoin depression with no other medical treatments available. I mean, who wants to hurt forever?
Great list.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Nice list, really fascinating, thanks
June 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am
It’s just amazing that this was a considered a good idea. i mean an ice pick being swirled around like an egg beater! That poor little boy as a parent i can’t imagine thinking this was a valid way to deal with behavior problems. Very interesting list!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:50 am
@undaunted warrior (47): That was very nice of you. I don’t know if I contribute much but the thought is nice!
@sof (48): That was kinda what I was thinking. It gave some a degree of normalcy. However, I still think it’s barbaric in the extreme.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Good list. I’ve read about lobotomies before, and the stories are quite interesting. Another funny thing is that Dr. Freeman is the only person so far to win a Nobel Prize (Medicine) for work in mental illness.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Does anyone know which drugs are used to treat those who would have had a lobotomy in the past?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Freeman was very cavalier in his approach to the transorbital procedure – “He developed what others called assembly line lobotomies, going from one patient to the next with his gold-plated ice pick, even having his assistants time him to see if he could break lobotomy speed records. It is said that even some seasoned surgeons fainted at the site”.
R. D. Laing, amongst others, had a very valid point in saying that psychiatry (and by extension psychosurgery) often functions as a tool of social control and compliance.
The medicalization of aspects of personality considered divergent from some nebulous ‘norm’ is progressing rapidly – each new revision of the DSM includes more diagnosable mental disorders than the one before, many often sparking controversy.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/view/77790
June 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Lobotomies truly scare me, and fascinate me at the same time. They are so excruciatingly brutal to the most important organ inside of us, the very organ that makes us human, and renders it (blindly) into a scrambled mess.
I understand that there were no pharmaceutical remedies at the very beginning, but even at the very beginning the reasons given for the procedure were so often a pack of obvious lies; an answer waiting for a question.
This is hideous medicine in practice, with a willing participation by the families of patients, and sometimes by patients themselves.
Advertising works wonders.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:09 am
@Lifeschool (36):I honestly think it’s great that you were able to come through depression without medication. (I mean absolutely no sarcasm here; it really is a wonderful thing.) But not everyone can.
I work for an agency that cares for children with developmental disabilities. In the past I also worked with adults. Some of the individuals are also mentally ill, or in other words, they have “duel diagnosis”. Some of the depression, paranoia, schizophrenia, anxiety, and other problems are too severe to treat with the methods you suggest. Often the medication is their only relief.
My own brother suffers from severe mental illnesses (maybe this influenced my career choice?). Sadly, there still is no perfect solution. He goes through periods of stability, sometimes lasting for years at a time, but then succumbs to his illnesses again. Many times he ends up hospitalized. He has spent many, many years on numerous medications in different doses and combinations with various success. As he goes through normal physical changes as he ages the drugs loose effectiveness or the affects change. There are also terrible side affects to these powerful pills. But life with only therapy or no treatment isn’t a real possibility for him. Sometimes in his mental haze, he comes to believe that, “God has cured me!” He’ll discontinue his meds and end up hallucinating, paranoid, delusional, etc. It’s painful and heartbreaking.
I often wonder why some TV ads, shows or movies seem to portray “crazy” people as something to be mocked and laughed at. These diseases affect the brain just as other diseases affect other organs. Would we laugh at some other type of devastating illness? My guess is – no.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Thanks for the comments everyone. Lifeschool, thanks for that well written lobotomy explanation. This list was difficult to write because it’s hard to explain what someone is going through in life for them to consider a lobotomy and also give a background on who the person was in a couple of short paragraphs. Some articles I came across concerning lobotomies were agenda driven and made everyone associated with the surgery as evil people. I think becoming mentally ill is the worst thing that can happen to anyone. Someone who I am very close to said going through cancer treatment was easier than going through depression. Something I didn’t mention about Rose Williams that I thought was interesting is she once told her brother “You must never make fun of insanity, It’s worse than death.” I agree that Freeman was an ego driven doctor and got carried away with his procedure as a cure all for any type of mental problems and even performed some of his lobotomies in an circus like atmosphere but I still don’t consider him as evil. As mentioned in comments like deeeziner( # 17 & #33) and and also expressed by Sallie Ellen Ionesco’s daughter. I think no one really knows for sure what we would do if we were in the shoes of the patient or their families before there was medications like we have today.
Moonbeam, I’m sorry to hear about your brother. That must be hard on the whole family.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:38 am
# 51 oouchan – no problem, your comments are well thought out before you put your fingers to the keyboard.
I have been on this site for a long time now and we have exchanged comments before, but unfortunately I had to change my username after the Word Press change over.
Jamie Im sorry for going off the beaten track a wee bit – I just feel that oouchan also needs a pat on the back.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
# 13 astraya 100% behind you and Travis rather a hangover than scrambled eggs for brains
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I don’t agree with how you decided how to make the surgeries notable. Only a few of these were notable for the way they were done. I believe that, just because they are famous doesn’t make it notable. It should have had more to do with the procedure itself, the effects afterward, and more like that.
I just don’t get the fascination with famous people. If some random person got a lobotomy at the same time as the actor on the list, he wouldn’t be on the list. So neither should the actor.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:59 am
@45 madmex: lol I consider myself a dittohead but your comment made me laugh.
If you are going to say that, you can say the same thing about all of the Obamamites in whose eyes he can do no wrong and guzzle down the Kool-aid he is serving up
June 24th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Great list, Blogball. It is a part of medical history that a lot of people would like to forget, but it needs to be told. I realize that they did not have drugs to fight these sever mental illnesses in the 30’s and 40’s, but they certainly had them in the early 50’s, yet continued these horrendous operations into the mid 70’s. Thorazine was discovered in 1950, and worked very well to controll some of these problems.
A lot of these operations were performed without informed consent. And I think that a lot of the families dot not understand all of the ramifications of getting an icepick in the eye, or having there brain stirred like scrambled eggs. They certainly would have had second thoughts. Or I sure hope they would have.
A lot of these operations (tortures) were performed to keep people in line, or have them be what society thinks is “normal”. A wife that did not treat her husband like he wanted, a kid who disobeyed his parents, a vet returning from war that was suffering from PTSD.
Howard Dully was featured on several stories on NPR news. They were fascinating. You can still hear them by following this link:
http://www.npr.org/search.php?text=howard+dully
June 24th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
blogball: just wanted to chime in and say “well done”.
this is one of those morbidly fascinating topics for me and many others.
my undergrad degree was in psychology and i must say that there is alot of “guess work” going on there. for someone like dr. freeman to assume that he can begin to offer a solution for a problem generated by an organ that science can barely begin to explain how it functions is rather arrogant and presumptious. but so is most of the “science” of psychology.
hopefully, my bias isn’t too obvious.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Cool fact for anyone interested, number 5, Howard Dully went on to write an autobiography called “My Lobotomy”
In fact it’s one of the books I’m reading right now so I thought it neat that he was mentioned on the list!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
(60): Acctually four of the ten were not famous: Alice Hood Hammatt, Sallie Ellen Ionesco, Howard Dully, and Helen Mortensen. I think often famous people bring attention to illnesses or behaviours that society may not otherwise pay attention to. Michael J Fox the Canadian actor who suffers from Parkinson’s comes to mind.
Although I agree that society pays way too much attention to celebrities, there is a potential up side. In the case of Rosemary Kennedy; when the public heard about the Lobotomy and it’s horrific results, it possibly helped end the practice.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Wow… Parents who don’t want to deal with their children (esp the 12 yr old) – eh, just mess with their brain! They’ll be better for it. Grrr… I have a 10-yr-old who gets on my nerves to no end, but I could never conceive of doing this to him. Really, what were they thinking?!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Just wanted to mention re: #5 Owly that the woman in Angel At My Table (Janet Frame) was in fact scheduled to have a lobotomy as well.
The only reason she didn’t have one was that her nurse mentioned she had just won a prestigious literary award for a book of short stories.
This poor woman had a terrible childhood, living in poverty and losing both her sisters in drowning accidents.
And she spent many years in and out of asylums and suffering from electro shock and insulin treatment but went on to be one of New Zealand’s most revered literary figures.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Old asylums, and the methods once used by the so called proffessinals back then I consider more sicker then what any of the paitents ever were. Some of the things they did to there paitents is nothing less then torture and mutilation. Labotomies were only but one cruel aspect. The saddest part is there is some places in the world that still do things like that to “cure” people
thank you chi
June 24th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
@moonbeam (65): I completely understand that. They are good for bringing attention to the illness, but that’s not the reason they were significant, the celebrities listed were significant because they were famous. If they were put down like: “Notable because they brought attention to the effects of lobotomies etc.” that would be different.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
@oouchan (23):
Apparently he wasn´t even that difficult. His list of crimes include: “He objects to going to bed and does a good deal of daydreaming…” I would definately have gotten a lobotomy as a child if these were valid causes! So sad…
@blogball (57):
Wow, I have to say, you are a bigger man than me. While I agree that Freeman may not necessarily be 100% pure evil, I dont think he was any good either. This man lied to very sick people to satisfy his own ego.
Fascinating list.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Just a note to say thank you to everybody who mentioned my nic today. I usually lurk about a bit so that I can reply, but today has been productive – at last!
@ringtailroxy (43): Thank you for that – I’m not really very wise, just a bit considered and considerate maybe. I like coming on here, it’s usually the first page I look up as soon the the comp boots up – the subjects are broard and interesting, and sometimes I learn a great deal. I’m a philosopher by nature, so I enjoy topics such as this one. Sometimes my train of thought lets me down, and I wonder if I come across as pretentious. I try to stroke my chin rather than my ego.
@undaunted warrior (47): There are quite a few thoughtful regulars; callie, astraya to name two more – but hey, a fool can be sensible just as a scholar can be an idiot…
@Moonbeam (56): Thank you so much for such as open comment. I’m so glad you took my little comment as it was intended (It reads back a little self-righteous, sorry…). I used to work for the Social Services caring for the severely mentally and physically handicapped – it’s hard to know when to ask them and when to tell them, and there is usually always an element of human dignity involved – hiding just behind the eyes. It’s tough. However, there are possibilities. [It's times like this I wish there was a PM feature]
@blogball (57): mutually appreciated I’m sure.
“Someone who I am very close to said going through cancer treatment was easier than going through depression.” – if you can imagine… sometimes cancer is like a ‘enemy’; you can fight it off. Sometimes depression is like a ghost you can’t fight; a dark shadow about to consume; a parmenant black cloud raining permanently over you. When I hit rock bottom after 3 or 4 years, I was lucky, there was someone there. It took the same time period again to move myself beyond it.
Anyway, I talk too much, I’ll off to watch Magnum P.I. – catch you later perhaps.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
@undaunted warrior (47): Oh, and GTT too – there are soooo many great people [depending on which side of the bed they get out of in the morning.]
June 24th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
@GTT (70): True! I would have had one along with my sister and brother. My own kid drives me nuts, but that is normal. Some people just can’t cope with the “teenage” years.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
I belonged to a volunteer group for years that helped elderly people with things that were difficult for them to do. At 90 even changing a light bulb can be impossible.
I got to be pretty good friends with a lady and she asked me to input some things she wrote since her writing was pretty bad.
When she was young she had a girl out of wedlock.
Her father thought he should raise the child but she thought otherwise.
He had her hospitalized and then had her lobotomized against her will so he could take the kid.
I had no idea such things happened here in a ‘free’ country and in the early 1900s! The bastard did it with the law on his side which shocked the hel out of me.
I wish I could have ran the bastard over or something but he was long dead and gone by this time. I hope there is a hell so he has a place to spend eternity!
She was a lot smarter than I thought possible; I would have never guessed if she never said anything.
A very real story to add to the list
June 24th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Can’t believe no one used the great line, ” I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy”
Still a classic after a long night of drinking
June 24th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Bravo…Great list! Morbid but quite fascinating.
Keep up the great work!
June 24th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
grant: astraya at #13 dropped the line earlier.
as for your point…
“I wish I could have ran the bastard over or something but he was long dead and gone by this time. I hope there is a hell so he has a place to spend eternity!”
don’t you see the same lack of love and desire to harm someone that acts/thinks differently than you do. this sort of barbarism is inherent to the human condition. in that particular phase of history it looked like lobotomies. let’s not make the mistake of assuming that we don’t have our current “modern” methods that are lacking drastically. we just don’t know because we don’t have the viewpoint of history.
a question that has been rattling around in my head since the first time i heard it a couple of years ago.
“what beliefs do you currently hold that your grandchildren will be embarrased to admit about you?”
think of what your grandparents held as reasonable and rational just 50 years ago.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Officially the most badass operation ever. But JF the most recent lists have been a tad on the boring side. Sorry, but just telling it how it is.
June 24th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
@Lifeschool (71): We would love to have you (and other main site people)on the forum side of Listverse. It has a PM feature.
Fascinating list Blogball
June 24th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
@ Dischuker- “I wish I could have ran the bastard over or something but he was long dead and gone by this time. I hope there is a hell so he has a place to spend eternity!”
don’t you see the same lack of love and desire to harm someone that acts/thinks differently than you do. this sort of barbarism is inherent to the human condition. in that particular phase of history it looked like lobotomies. let’s not make the mistake of assuming that we don’t have our current “modern” methods that are lacking drastically. we just don’t know because we don’t have the viewpoint of history.
I gathered a different meaning from the story. I don’t believe the father did it for her own good. He had this done to her as a way to get what he wanted, not because she had anything wrong with her. If that ain’t a bastard, I don’t know what is!
June 24th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Very nice work. I really liked this list.
As a “mental patient” myself and the mother of one as well I am very, very grateful that there are no therapeutic lobotomies anymore. With my medication and some therapy I can live a perfectly normal life – most people don’t even know there’s anything wrong with me.
@Lifeschool, while I admit it did come across as a bit self-righteous I understood what you meant and I applaud you for your accomplishments.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
what the HELL does an ice pick lobotomy differ from a normal one?
June 24th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Wow talk about an obscure area of knowledge
great list!
June 24th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
@Henry (70): I can see your point; but I guess I’m reading between the lines, or maybe – reading into – this list. Take Tennessee Williams’ sister. She herself was technically not famous, her brother was/is. But she was important because his literature based on her life has historical and literary significance. She contrasts with modern celebrities who often intentionally seek out attention usually with outrageous antics. Rosemary Kennedy didn’t seek celebrity herself, but her experience listed here seems to have had historical significance in exposing this barbaric act, as I said before. It would be pretty difficult to come up with unknown patients who had any significant effect on this surgical practice as both of these woman may have had.
@blogball (58): I can’t explain this, but I was touched by your brief comment of concern about my brother. We know nothing of each other, yet, I felt the kindness. Thank you for that.
@Lifeschool (72): No, no, I didn’t take your comment about depression as self righteous at all. I just tend to want to advocate for a group of people who seem to carry a lot of stigma. My dopey idea that maybe I can enlighten a couple of people who may not have thought much about the mentally ill.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Lobotomies decreased in popularity as television became more affordable to the masses.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Alys Robi – OMG that song was awesome! I could skate to that. I’m downloading it.
86 Kibey – LOL!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
This was interesting. Very good list, Blogball!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
I cant believe francis farmer is not on this list. I thought she would at least be in the top 5.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
oh… i didnt finish reading the intro, i just skipped to the main text.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Saw the title of the list and Reminds me of the movie Repo Man. Guy driving chevy malibu had a lobotomy – speaking about the pros of getting one and radiation.
Sad about the Kennedy sister.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
BVery interesting list and subject.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Replace the death penalty with lobotomies as capital punishment.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Thanks for sharing your story Lifeschool. I have to agree with you when it comes to medications and unfortunately most doctors and psychiatrist seem to push them. Though for many people medication seems to do wonders.
Not to sound up myself but I’m a fairly intelligent person, I’ve studied Biological Science at university for 2.5 years (expecting to go back next semester). Though since I’ve started medication I feel like a brainless zombie and my memory now days is dismal.
I’m currently pushing to try CBT but I’m stuck in the health care system, where nothing is happening.
Moonbeam, sorry to hear about your brother. That must be extremely heartbreaking. Though I can imaginge working with children who have developmental disabilities would be rewarding. Both my parents work with adults who have intellectual disabilities and recently my mother has been undertaking duel disability training. It all sounds extremely fascinating to me, though I’ve been interested in mental illnesses since I was about 10 years old.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:41 am
@Shifty (80): Here, here!! I concur!!!
A few other thoughts to add to this fast growing comment list:
Abuse of the “system”, sadly, has been an “Ace up the sleeve” for the selfish, and tyrannical through out history. Many folks deemed too unruly have often and sometimes famously been taken/forced into prison, religous order and asylum.
The use of court ordered commitment into the mental health asylum was in its heydey at the same time as lobotomy’s chilhood.
Think about the real life trauma induced on “bold” women during the thirties as dramatized in the factual story of Christine Collins, played by Angelina Jolie in “Changeling”.
Things didn’t change with lobotomy’s fall from grace either. Many a husband asked their doctor to prescribe Valium or other tranqs for a too-spunky wife in the 70’s and 80’s.
Any mom who was tired of Jr’s antics immediately called the doctor to see if Ritalin or phenobarbital may be what was lacking in his diet.
On the subject of Doc Freeman and his motivation–Despite the way he fell from grace, at the time of his pioneering of the surgery–He WAS TRULY dedicated to finding a method to CURE his patients. And for his era of medical progress, he WAS making an improvement to the majority of his patients/families lives.
His WORST sin was an inability to recognize when his surgery was no longer effective when weighed against less invasive, more productive therapies discovered in his field.
But a stubborn, unyielding doctor with a God complex IS a very evil guy to have around. It was a good day when the man was forced to step out of the field.
One final thought to those who wonder “How could a family allow such a barbaric surgery to a loved one?”
Imagine living in a less sophisticated era, after being the caretaker for a loved or despised family member for ever sooo long, and a DOCTOR approaches YOU with a new “Miracle” procedure.
How many DETAILS about the “miracle” are you going to ask? Are you going to risk being denied that “miracle cure” through too many questions asked. Do you want to be the guilty one denying “relief” to a suffering family member, because you might not be comfortable with limited answers from the DOCTOR?
Do you really think FULL disclosure of the procedure was given to all family when approached for for the proper releases?
Remember this was the era when “Doctor knows best” was a truism.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:45 am
Please don’t let my references to Valium, Ritalin, and other valid drugs make you feel that I don’t recognize that there has been great cases of success and improvement to the lives of thousands through “Conscientious and Responsible” prescription of those drugs.
Key words– “Conscientious and Responsible” prescription
June 25th, 2009 at 6:54 am
makes me think of One Flew Over the CoCo’s Nest
June 25th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Nicosia (@81) “I gathered a different meaning from the story. I don’t believe the father did it for her own good. He had this done to her as a way to get what he wanted, not because she had anything wrong with her. If that ain’t a bastard, I don’t know what is!”
That’s exactly what I was getting at and because of his mindless selfishness she suffered the rest of her life not having all of her brain functioning. Considering when she was a teenager – Radio was cutting edge- she had a hard time with any of the simplest technology.
The way she wrote it there was also an implication of her keeping the child away from him because of sexual abuse she suffered and knew it would happen to her child.
That bastard made me ashamed to even be male – to have even have the slightest connection to a person like that is disgusting. You could tell even after all that he did to her- she still tried to say nice things about him because no matter what- he was still ‘Dad’.
I never discussed it since I knew bringing it up was way to hard in the 1st place for her but she did want to get her story out to what family she had left (that never even called or visited her)
I did it for a couple of years and I am glad I did it but afterwards I felt like I needed to curl up into a ball and cry. She would drain me emotionally to a point I never had experienced
Thankgod for alcohol, I could not have done it without it!
June 25th, 2009 at 11:18 am
@grant (76): someone already said it…see #13.
June 25th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Just to finish message #36, I think it’s also very important to realise that drugs (even the same drug) will affect each person differently. I was on Prozac for a while, but it turned me into someone I didn’t recognise anymore. Yet, for some people, this or similar drugs have worked wonders. I can’t help feeling though that a person could come to rely on these drugs pretty easily, and form a long term dependence – pushing their real needs further out of sight. But again, I suppose it’s really up to the individual and their individual needs.
@Moonbeam (85): Don’t worry, I think genuine contributions are very welcome here. I’m also under the illusion that some passing wanderer may find and read one these lists and take something from them; and perhaps something you or I, or somebody else has said will be of great help.
@Paramnesia (94): Thank you for sharing so openly. These things are never easy. CBT sound like a very good way to go, and can be more effective than psychotherapy (for example). Me? I got tired of the NHS and went off to look into alternative medicine. After a while I found what really worked and what really didn’t work, and found that even a small help (even a placebo) is still a help. Yeah I dangled crystals around my neck for years – but surely if I felt it was making a diffence for me (for the better) then it’s worth it. Depression has also taught me a lot. If you want to know about human biology; perhaps this will turn out to help you in the long run…?
June 25th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
@Lifeschool (100): I often wonder if depression will be part of my lifelong prognosis. Having a disease that is excruciatingly painful, with no cure and only symptomatic support through the use of heavy doses of narcotic drugs, can lead to a bit of depression. It got so bad at one point that I had a deal with a neighbor; when I’d become suicidal I’d have to go to him for permission. He always said “no”, so I never attempted it, but the thought was always there.
There have been some considerable life changes in the meantime, and those thoughts are no longer a part of my every day. But I remember the psychic pain.
June 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
@segues (101):
June 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Sorry, that was mean’t to be a big hug.
June 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Great list! Very well done so as to show a lack of bias; it’s always easy to look back on history and look down our noses at the choices people have made or the things they are done, like they say, hindsight is 20/20. Human history is littered with dead end alleyways such as dubious medical procedures, in many ways our societies grow and evolve just like any regular person would, as we make mistakes we learn (though we often repeat the same mistakes, maybe we’re a slow learner?
)
RE: depression and today’s drive to pass out pills like candy. I don’t think it’s as simple as saying that people are overreacting to their circumstances and are in the mindset that medication will solve all their problems. Part of the trend is of course medical advances, and their success stories (fueled also by drug companies for $$$), but I think also there is an actual increase of people who have mental issues – consider how long a paranoid schizophrenic would have survived 500 years ago, but now with medication they can lead a fairly normal life, have a family etc. If you subscribe to the belief that most mental illnesses and issues are genetic then it is no wonder that more people, what with our medical advances and increased ability to live and thrive in the world, will pass along those issues.
Also take into account the somewhat current trend of obesity and poor dietary practices (fast food, preservatives) – I don’t believe that eating right and exercising is a “fix” for anyone, but there are many benefits to keeping one’s body fit and healthy, and people who suffer from more mild forms of mental diseases may not need medication or may only require reduced dosages if they also exercise and take care of themselves.
The important thing is, of course, to recognize in yourself if you need help and to do something about it. It is a complicated process and there is often no easy diagnosis – it may take months or years to figure out what it is that you specifically need in order to feel normal and happy. Don’t give up hope just because the first thing you tried didn’t work.
Sorry to get a bit preachy, I know that lists like these are going to attract people with mental issues, because of their own fascination with themselves and their problems, and it’s good to remind people that there is help and there is no shame in seeking it.
June 26th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Pretty freaky and interesting stuff.
The first ice pick lobotomy would have been performed on the Russian revolutionary Leon Trotsky. lol Ok, fine my sense of humour is lame.
June 28th, 2009 at 7:50 am
This is a very interesting subject and a very good list, except for the fact that its grammar and punctuation leave much to be desired. Better editing would make it more pleasant to read.
June 29th, 2009 at 8:29 am
@Dorkus Malorkus (106): Are you suggesting Blogball wrote this post frontal lobotomy?
June 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Maybe I need a Frontal Punctubotomy
June 30th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
@blogball (108): bloggy, it might make buying trousers a bit hellish, but how about becoming the first person to have a frontal buttomomy?
July 1st, 2009 at 12:54 pm
There are some lines in this list clearly lifted from Wikipedia. Like it or not, you still have to cite it as a source. A Wired writer was just busted for plagiarizing wikipedia. It’s just not ethical to put your name on something as original when you’ve used material from elsewhere. Not the first time I’ve seen this on this site.
July 7th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Nope, psych treatments are a lot LOT better than they used to be and I have seen the good and bad of electroshock therapy (ECT).
It is only done as a last resort.
I’ve seen zombies turned into fully functioning humans once more. I’ve seen it do absolutely nothing. I’ve also see it screw people up worse.
Usually, it works.
I’ve watched them done and they are NOT inhumane,
Unfortunately, people still think of these treatments as “barbaric”.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
This was actually performed on my Great Grandmother. She was given shock treatments for 7 years for acting oddly and because she was a woman with two children and no husband so obviously an evil person. Then they gave her a lobotomy when she refused to have any further shock treatments. Fortunately she survived. In the 80s she became quite ill again and finally an xray was done of her head. A tumour the size of an orange was found in her head. The doctors operated and determined that the lobotomy had succeeded in stemming the growth of the tumour. If they had found the tumour earlier however, all the shock treatments and the lobotomy would have been unnecessary. She is now in her late 90s and completely catatonic. All that for a fabulous, rebellious and amazing woman.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:32 am
Ignorant people…so instead of talking to your children and make things better at home ..you send them to get a lobotomy… nice. And ok…some people really need the procedure but … there were many such as Rosemary Kennedy who didn’t really need it. I believe that maybe she had some kind of learning dsability or wasn’t just as “brilliant” as the rest of the family and felt very out of place, I mean with a father as ignorant as hers that preffered sending her to have alobotomy done instead of being more of a father and support her… I understand her frustration. I just feel kinda mad at that because I can somehow relate to that. I also have a learning disability, and i managed somehow to get the best grades because of my pushy and somehow paranoid father but all that has caused me a lot of damage and if I lived in those times…well i can guess my mother could have sent me to get a lobotomy done… Anyways great list
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August 20th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
what a primitive piece of shit practice…those doctors need to be fucking shot
August 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
In terms of electric shock treatments my great uncle loved them and said they kept him sane. So they do work for some people.
September 18th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Psychiatry has made some progress but it is still like surgery was when barbers performed it.
November 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I got on this topic from watching the ghost hunters talk about all the procedures one day in a mental hospital they were investigating for paranormal activity!! Yips!!!
November 17th, 2009 at 2:28 am
@bill (117): Can you even begin to imagine the horror of having part of your brain disconnected from the rest; made into scrambled eggs?
I have worked every day of my life striving to learn more and more. To have someone, anyone, destroy that, or to destroy who I am as a person, to destroy my sentientce, my soul, just scares me beyond words.
November 24th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Très intéressant.
Une question : l’année où Rose Isabel Williams (soeur de Tenesse) a été lobotomisée est-elle 1943, ou 1937 comme on le dit en général?
merci d’avance
Dr M. Caire
http://psychiatrie.histoire.free.fr/traimt/lobo.htm
November 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Très intéressant.
Une question : l’année où Rose Isabel Williams (soeur de Tenesse) a été lobotomisée est-elle 1943, ou 1937 comme on le dit en général?
merci d’avance
Dr M. Caire
http://psychiatrie.histoire.free.fr/traitmt/lobo.htm
November 24th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
The best thing for those, who have been subjected to lobotomy, is marijuana. Medical records and X-rays at http://www.thewhyfiles.net/mkultra4.htm#update disclose unauthorized covert lobotomy and brain implant experimentation,(Dec. 9,1969 & Jan. 27,1972, at 14 & 16 years of age) without informed consent,nor parental knowledge, while under the guise of treating epilepsy, (ie-”scar tissue removal”) This information correlates with the CIA MK-ULTRA project of psychosurgical and brain implant research, upon unwitting subjects. Those subjects being myself, and other unwitting children who suffer epilepsy at the Toronto Hospital for Sick Children. Not to neglect the 50,000 children at Quebec’s Duplesiss Orphanage, where during the 50’s, were exploited for covert LSD and lobotomy research. Adverese effects of this assault has been seizure disorder,continual episodes of cerebral hemmorrahaging in the operative field, and PTSD. These experiments were most cruel and inhumane,
when screaming verbal profanities during a local cranium incision, since I could not tolerate the sound of my skull cracking apart. Marijuana has proven number one, as to block seizure disorder, it has also been recognized for re-generating brain tissue growth. While the government plays damage control and concealment, I have a
patient advocate informing me of a “on-going problem”.
There should be a criminal investigation and commission of inquiry into the exploitation of Canadain children for covert human experimentation.
Terry Parker Jr./aka Robertson
http://www.thewhyfiles.net/mkultra4.htm/#update
http://www.ontariocourts.on.ca/decisions/2000/july/parker.htm
November 25th, 2009 at 1:24 am
@Terry Parker Jr. (121): Fascinating, but as I searched through all the articles I could find, the only references to regeneration of brain cell growth (brain tissue, as you put it), was done in culture, usually non-mammalian.
Could you please provide me with any peer reviewed articles later than 2004?
November 25th, 2009 at 11:51 am
The free library has an article “High times for brain growth:Marijuana like drug multiplies neurons.” Sask study
2005. Peronaly,I have been through the mill with anti-convulsant pharmaceuticals, only to experience more seizures, depression, confusion,and constant prodrome of a seizure. Marijuana has been extremely effective for blocking seizure disorder. More interesting, since my forty years of marijuana consumption,Cat scans reveal re-generation of brain tissue, of the left and right temporal lobe, which was illegally resected Dec., 9,1969 at 14 years of age) This is not clinical evidence of marijuana and brain tissue growth?
Terry
November 25th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
@Terry Parker Jr. (123): I’ll read it and get back to you.