The effective prosecution of any war requires a load of decisions at all junctures. Many times, commanders will blunder through misinformation, faulty intelligence, or a misreading of the tactical or strategic situation. We, safely ensconced here in the future can play Monday morning quarterback with the decision of the past often without acknowledging the fact that the commanders in question lack our brilliant hindsight; however, some decisions are simple unconscionable. One has to think that someone, somewhere had to look at this choice and say “God, this is stupid!” This list represents, in chronological order, ten of what I consider to be the dumbest decisions anyone ever made. Each of these decisions either resulted in tremendously unnecessary loss of men and materiel or it resulted in the ultimate loss or needless prolonging of the war in which it took place.
The only motivation I can fathom behind this idiotic blunder by a military genius is sheer boredom. To this point in his military career, Napoleon has known nothing but victory after victory. He’s conquered pretty much all of Europe that refused to ally with him and suddenly he was sitting around with the largest army ever gathered in Europe up until then with nothing to do. So Napoleon looks west, to Mother Russia.
We all know how it turned out but you have to think someone in that huge army knew it was a bad idea. In any event, he didn’t say anything and the rest is history. Napoleon invaded Russia with three quarters of a million men and didn’t fight much of a battle. The Russian retreated into the vastness of their country and burned everything in their wake. Result? Napoleon gets to Moscow only to find smoking ruins. Dejected at not getting to move his toy soldiers around on his big map, he turns the Grand Armee around and begins for home.
But then the real trouble began. Constant harassment by tiny, mobile Russian units. Constant hunger because the supply lines are cut in more places than Danish lace and, worst of all, winter sets in and the soldiers start freezing to death in droves. Three quarters of a million went in, but less than one in three would made it out.
Someone has remarked that the Alamo seems to show up on nearly every military list. Well, it’s a great story. Not the least great part about it was it was so totally unnecessary. All the Alamo consisted of was a tiny adobe walled mission in the middle of a prairie. Basically, Santa Anna, aka Napoleon of the West, decided the tiny garrison in the tiny fort had to be taught a lesson about Mexican politics by his great big army.
One just has to think that someone, some hard campaigning Sergeant in the Mexican force had to look around at the wide open prairie on both sides of the Alamo and think to himself, “Why don’t we just go around? We can even shoot at them as we go by, but let’s get to the rebel capital and put down the rebellion.”
Instead, mainly as a result of Santa Anna’s pride, the main Mexican army spends days and days held up attacking this insignificant little outpost. This needless delay gives the Texas government time to get organized, gives people time to flee, and gives the main Texan army time to get reinforced and into better position. The end result was the Battle of San Jacinto where old Santa Anna got caught napping – literally – and the Republic of Texas was born.
This one will be a little obscure to some, but in the grand scheme of things, it was a world-changing event. The cartridge in question was for the new Pattern 3 Enfield rifle that was to be issued to all the Empire’s troops and replace the older, less efficient models. On the surface this doesn’t seem like a big deal and to us, it probably wouldn’t be. However, in 1857, cartridges weren’t brass, they were paper, and to load them, one had to first BITE the end off the cartridge and pour the contained powder down the barrel of the muzzle loaded weapon. Again, no big deal, until one realizes one singularly important fact. The lubricating lard smeared on the cartridges was made from animal fat. This fat could be obtained from either pigs or cows. In and of itself, that doesn’t present a problem until one realizes that the vast majority of foreign troops in the British Empire were either Muslim or Hindu, especially in India. Now, pigs are unclean to Muslims and cows are sacred to the Hindus so the thought of putting a cartridge with lard into their mouths was anathema to both parties. It didn’t help matters much that the political climate in India was becoming a powder keg, but the lard cartridges proved the final straw – the match that blew the keg, so to speak.
What resulted is known to history as the Sepoy Rebellion or the Sepoy Mutiny. Basically, without going into the very involved, tense and delicate political situation, the Sepoys or Indian soldiers, refused to touch the cartridges which constitutes mutiny. When the first few were seen being punished by the British colonial overlords, the rest rose up and began a bloody rebellion that lasted 13 months and saw tremendous bloodshed and cruelty on both sides. The British severity in putting down the revolt – many leaders were tied to the mouths of cannon and blasted to bloody vapor — remained in the minds of the Indian people through the rest of the 19th century and through two world wars in the 20th. In many ways, the Indian Independence Movement lead by Gandhi can trace its roots to this one monumentally boneheaded decision.
During the American Civil War, one of the qualities that made General Robert E. Lee of the Confederacy so effective was the mysteriousness with which he moved and operated. His troops seemed to appear, fight, and melt away with uncanny speed. Now in reality, this was nothing more supernatural than very detailed and well-executed battle plans. Imagine what the Union generals could have done if they had only possessed a copy of one of Lee’s battle plans. In a wildly providential moment, that is exactly what happened on the eve of the Battle of Sharpsburg in September of 1862.
Union General George McClellan’s 90,000-man Army of the Potomac was moving to intercept Lee, and occupied a campsite the Confederates had vacated just a few days before. While setting up their tent, two Union soldiers discovered a copy of Lee’s detailed battle plans wrapped around three cigars. The order indicated that Lee had divided his army and dispersed portions, intending to bring battle near Antietam Creek. Everything was there in writing. It was a colossal blunder by some Confederate officer.
The outcome would have been even more disastrous for the Confederates had not McClellan waited about 18 hours before deciding to take advantage of this intelligence and reposition his forces. As it was, the Battle of Sharpsburg (or Antietam) would be the single bloodiest day of combat in American history with 23,000 killed and countless wounded before the sun set.
All that saved Lee was McClellan’s indecision. Still, the battle sapped numbers of soldiers that the Confederacy could ill afford to lose. More importantly, though, was the fact that England had been teetering on the fence of coming into the war to aid their cotton supplying Confederates, but with the outcome of Antietam, they decided to sit back for a little while longer, thus robbing the Confederacy of help it desperately needed. A different choice of wrapping paper could have made all the difference in the world to the history of North America.
It sometimes looks like Lee did have some sort of guardian angel; either that or the Northern generals before Grant were all monumentally stupid. The former is more romantic, but the latter is easier to prove. In any event, Meade’s decision to let Lee slip back to Virginia is another example of Lee’s luck and an opposing general’s horrendous decision making ability.
The Army of Northern Virginia was done. Three days at Gettysburg had reduced the proud rebels to a shell of their former strength. Devil’s Den, Little Round Top, the Peach Orchard, and, at the last, Pickett’s Charge up Cemetery Ridge had produced the High Water Mark of the Confederacy. With all his reserves spent, Lee was gathering his badly mauled forces and trying mightily to make it back to the relative safety of Ol’ Virginy.
In his way was the rain swollen Potomac River. On his flanks were the persistent if largely ineffectual Union cavalry pickets. The roads were a quagmire of mud. In all, the stage was set for the final crushing blow to be delivered by the Army of the Potomac, which had several reserves that had seen little if any fighting. They would sweep down on the defeated boys in grey like an avenging blue tide. The Army of Northern Virginia would be crushed and the Civil War would be all but over. All that remained was for General Meade to give the order to attack.
Well, the order never came. For reasons that, to this day, are unclear Meade was reluctant to follow Lee. Instead, he gathered his forces in strength and waited. No one is quite sure what he was waiting for, but when President Lincoln found out that Meade had literally allowed the end of the war to slip through his hands, Honest Abe was incensed. It was largely Meade’s indecision that resulted in General Grant being called east from Vicksburg and placed in command of the Army of the Potomac. Had Meade attacked the defeated rebels at that opportune moment, the Civil War probably would not have drug on in a morass of attrition for nearly two more years. Countless lives, Union and Confederate alike, could have been spared and the Reconstruction Period would likely have looked much different.
It is generally held to be a good idea among most military men that, when the latest and greatest weapons are available, they should be used. The newly patented Gatling Gun was the earliest machine gun and had completed its trials. Custer had two to four of the guns and abundant ammunition available when he set out to uproot a “small Indian village” on the bank of the Little Bighorn River. Custer’s reasoning behind not using them was that the Gatling guns would impede his march and hamper his mobility. More importantly, he also is said to have believed that the use of so devastating a weapon would “cause him to lose face with the Indians.” Considering reports of Custer’s vanity, this is not hard to believe.
These problems do not change the fact that the Gatling guns would have been a decided equalizer in the face of what turned out to be overwhelming Indian superiority, and that elsewhere in the Indian wars, the Indians often reacted to new army weapons by breaking off the fight. Instead, Custer led more than 250 doomed men of the famous 7th Cavalry into the Montana hill country. If he had taken the then greatly improved machine guns with him the outcome of the much-discussed Last Stand would surely have been very different.
What could have been going through Custer’s mind as he stood, the breeze whipping his famous golden hair behind him, his loyal men dead all about him, and several hundred Sioux warriors galloping towards him intent on making him a human pincushion? Could it possibly have been, “I really could use those Gatling guns right about now.”
By the start of 1915, the Great War had ground to a halt. The trench lines stretched from Belgium through Italy and neither side was making progress. The war had devolved into mad suicide rushes across no man’s land into the teeth of the new Maxim guns. Predictably, casualties were mounting daily and the war that “will be over by Christmas” seemed to have no end in sight. To make matters worse, Russia was getting their mess kits handed to them all up and down the Eastern Front and the tsardom was beginning to look shaky. The German navy had cut all the usual supply lines to accessible ports and any port safe from the German fleet was either icebound or entirely too far away to be of any practical use. Something had to be done and quickly.
Enter Lord of the Admiralty, Winston Churchill. Now Churchill is well know for his personal bravery as well as his usually keen mind. He is also known for being a fan of a good stiff drink and apparently, he’d had several when he thought of this plan. Churchill proposed that a third front be opened up in the western Mediterranean. Specifically, he planned an attack on the Ottoman Empire held Dardanelles. The attack on what he termed the “soft underbelly of the Central Powers” would open up a warm water resupply depot for Russia and effectively turn the flank of the vast trench network. It was a great idea in theory and on paper.
The Gallipoli Campaign took place at Gallipoli peninsula in Turkey from 25 April 1915 to 9 January 1916. The intent was for a joint amphibian attack by British Empire and French forces up the peninsula to capture the Ottoman capital of Istanbul. To put it mildly, the attempt failed miserably with heavy casualties on both sides. The whole operation was botched from the beginning. The planned invasion was tipped off to the Turks who reinforced the peninsula with heavy guns and additional troops. Once the invasion began, it quickly stalled on the beachhead, thwarted by the Turkish occupation of the high ground.
To make a very detailed and long story short, the allied forces, the bulk of which were Australians and New Zealanders (who ultimately had the highest number of dead per capita of all nations in the war), were essentially trapped on the beaches in the open for months. No real progress was ever made inland despite several dogged attempts all around the peninsula. Promised naval artillery support was cut short as soon as the Admiralty found out – by the sinking of two battleships – that German U-boats were in the waters. The whole event was an unmitigated disaster. Conditions were unreal. In the summer, the heat was atrocious, which in conjunction with bad sanitation, led to so many flies that eating became extremely difficult. Corpses, left in the open, became bloated and stank. The precarious Allied bases were poorly situated and caused supply and shelter problems. A dysentery epidemic spread through the Allied trenches. Autumn and winter brought relief from the heat, but also led to gales, flooding and frostbite.
In the end, Churchill was sacked as Lord of the Admiralty, several generals saw their careers ended but most of all; tens of thousands of men on both sides were killed for absolutely no gain whatsoever. To this day, Gallipoli is remembered as ANZAC Day in Australia and New Zealand in honor of all the brave ANZACs who gave their lives for a stupid decision.
Honestly? See item 10. Replace “Napoleon” with “Hitler”, “Russia” with “Soviet Union”, and “Le Grand Armee” with “Wermacht” and you have the gist of the story. Operation Barbarossa was, without a doubt, the worst case of someone who failed to learn from history being doomed to repeat it. Adolf Hitler proved that it’s not only teenagers who think, “It can’t happen to me.”
Wars are best run by the professionals. Lyndon B. Johnson was President, but he was not a professional soldier by any means during the Vietnam War. That did not stop him from blowing what was a small insurgency with American “advisors” into an all out “police action” that would claim the lives of nearly 60,000 American soldiers, sailors, and airmen before it ended two Presidents later.
Johnson expanded American involvement on the ground in Vietnam as soon as he took office after JFK’s assassination. Unfortunately for the troops, LBJ watched opinion polls and it is hard to fight a war if you watch opinion polls. Basically, field commanders couldn’t attack certain high value targets without Johnson’s say-so and, given the distances and the time it would take to brief the President on each given situation, the men were fighting one step behind at all times. He also took fire from the press who said he was too cozy with the defense businessmen and the war was justification for increased defense spending to make these businesses rich. That speculation, like Johnson’s supposed involvement in JFK’s assassination, is better left to the conspiracy theorists.
What is a fact, however, is LBJ’s insistence on being a hands-on Commander-in-Chief seriously handicapped American efforts in the jungles of Vietnam. Ultimately, his decision to try running a war based on opinion polls proved his undoing and he dropped out of the 1968 Presidential elections.
For centuries, countries outside of Afghanistan – from the Indian Mughals, to the British Empire, to the Islamic fundamentalists – have tried to impose their will upon the Afghan people. As a result, the Afghans are a hardy bunch and they can fight like devils. The are experts at guerilla warfare and it is always a safe bet to assume that whoever is invading them has enemies all to willing to supply the natives with effective weaponry. That is over 1200 years of history totally lost on the Soviets in 1979 when they sent in a massive number of troops to prop up the unpopular communist government in Kabul.
What followed was a ten year blood bath of death among the rocks. For years, Soviet Hind helicopters would hunt in the valleys for any of the Afghan fighters. Upon finding them, the guerillas would be mown down by cannon fire from the craft they called “The Crocodile”. Then the CIA saw a chance to return the favor the Soviets had played on the United States during its involvement in Vietnam and began supplying the Afghan fighters with Stinger surface to air missiles. So much for Soviet air superiority. Stingers shot down 333 Soviet helicopters in the course of the ten year war.
The saddest part is the Soviets had just witnessed the USA’s horrific ten year quagmire in Vietnam, but, like other groups in history, they figured it couldn’t happen to them. They were wrong. The Soviets lost 15,000 men and billions of rubles worth of equipment to Afghanistan and they got nothing in return. For the Afghans, the country was left devastated and ripe for a group called the Taliban to take over.






























Where is Iraq invasion by great great BUSH ????
And Alexanders invasion for INDIA ?
gee maybe because this list isen't called top ten favorite attacks on republicans by democrates.. i guess if saddam really did have nukes and one of them was detonated by a terrorist in your city you wouldn't be on this website using your right of free speach that bush was protecting but i guess thats the benfit of being a nobody and not having to make hard decisions you never have to be wrong just a critic
Dumb ass!
Alexander didn’t invade India. He defeated the Indian king Porus, but retreated when the Nanda Empire and the Gangaridai kings formed an alliance against him.
No Varus?
Great list
Great list, there should be more military ones!
cool list. Custer had to be on it
Napoleon looked WEST to Russia?
when his troops informed him that was england he turned around lol
Gallipoli campaign – I don’t think you meant to say ‘a joint amphibian attack’.
To be honest – you’d be hard pressed to whittle down a top 100 military blunders.
This was a great list, well written and well researched. I use to hate history while in high school, but love it now. It is said education is wasted on the young. I’m proof of that. I thoroughly loved reading this list. Thank you.
@Clantargh (6): he had a VERY powerful telescope for the time.
great list! custer had it coming.
Great list !!!
Glad to see the Sepoy Mutiny making it to the list. Also popularly called in India as the First war of Independence.
Are there any such mistakes done by Mongols after Genghis khan ???
Great List! Though you should have included the Canadians at Dieppe
This is a great list, it has already taught me things i didnt know before
*sigh* LBJ. I remember my dad… “Johnson, Johnson, he’s our man! Goldwater goes in the garbage can!” I’m afraid Texas doesn’t have a very good association with presidents. The ones we’ve provided are not among the favorites, and we hosted an asasination (sp?).
surely Napoleon looked EAST to russia lol.
Good list, interesting to see that no.1 isn’t a shared USSR/American entry.
How many more people have to die before the pig ignorant governments learn that Afghanistan is a no win situation..
Vietnam! Lots of people dead, and Bubba-Gump Shrimp Corporation story. The horror…
No.3 should be renamed: Invading Russia… Again
“…Meade had literally allowed the end of the war to slip through his hands…”
I would like to have seen that.
well i dont know the specifics but meade was probably consolidating his troops after the battle.
and was worried lee might be pulling something.
as an armchair general i come across that situation alot in games where im just not sure what action to take and since im no atton i always choose the fortify and wait style.
I think this is the one where Lincoln accused Meade of "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory".
Great list. So good to see Gallipoli mentioned it was a massive mistake and well remembered here in Australia.
What about Vietnam, Korean war (still officially going), 1948 Arab–Israeli War (Israel owned the arabs), American forces in Somalia and the current campaigns in Afghanistan & Iraq?
Seeing number 2 on this list makes me happy. Sadly, most history textbooks prefer to ignore it.
I’ve heard quite a few people voice the opinion that the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was one of the worst military decisions of all time, since it brought the US into WWII. I could see it at least getting an honorable mention here…
I thought for sure the Maginot Line would be on here. I wonderful waste of time. If ever in France, don’t mention it.
@totalstranger (11):
Yes…invading Kuwait was a stupid decision too, but it was fueled by the american government at that time to give themselfs a justifiable reason for invading Iraq…THAT’s what i call savage.
Agincourt for the french and poitiers, hattin for the crusaders moving away from a water source, carrhae for the romans against the parthians…
What a great list! Wonderful writing; accessible without being condescending or patronizing and again – no copy/paste.
I too think Dieppe is a notable omission but the ones you’ve chosen are definitely spot on. There are so many to choose from, it must have been difficult to whittle it down to ten.
For those complaining about Iraq not being on the list – I would argue that it wasn’t a military blunder – that was the only part of the operation that was a success, if you’re gauging it on the overthrow of Saddam and his family/circle of insiders. It was a moral and political error – The Armed Forces did do what they were instructed to, the just shouldn’t have been instructed to do it. Of course because of the above errors, the clean up is likely going to end up more costly than the war. That’s what happens when the populace has little or no respect for the decisions and folks that put them in the mess they’re in.
fascinating…
I knew there would be a million Bush comments on here in minutes. Seriously people, regardless of what MSNBC tells you, Iraq has not been this horrible “military blunder”. The US conquered an entire country in a few weeks. Destroyed one of the biggest armies on earth with the least amount of friendly casualties of any major conflict. It was the occupation that took so many lives, and even those numbers, not to belittle all the brave men who have died, compared to some of the numbers on this list, are small. Look at #1, 15,000 dead soviets in Afghanistan. I think we are still under 2,000 total allied dead there.
This “instant gratification” generation sickens me, and I’m part of it. People die in wars, but the last two we have fought have been thankfully very one-sided. I can only imagine what would happen today with the new media and our weak-stomached liberal leaders if we had to fight a real war like some of these in this list. Can you imagine what ol Nancy Pelosi would do if the news was reporting something like “American invasion of Europe started! First day estimates of dead over 2000, 10,000 wounded”
Re Gallipoli:
The Turkish machine-gunners were heard on occasions begging the ANZACS not to mount another suicidal charge, but the orders would come down that they had to.
The trenches were so close together that each side took to throwing gifts to each other (tins of beef and tobacco). (I’m not sure how many grenades were thrown as well).
Almost a century later, Gallipoli is visited by thousands of Australians and New Zealanders each ANZAC day. If anything the numbers are increasing. The predawn commemorations at the site are televised live here in Australia.
To no 23, the Israelis got help from the Americans, that was why they won.
no walk don’t run?
in the first world war British troops were seen as under qualified to run with any kind of weapon, and therefore for a large portion of the war countless troops were sent walking towards the German lines. as you can guess heavy casualties were taken and the British were forced to change their battle plan.
plus, the propaganda videos of British soldiers marching ruthlessly and bravely over a fake no man’s land, led the Germans to believe they were superior troops whereas they were in fact highly untrained. the Germans upped their game and slaughtered a lot of them. once again tactics would have to be changed
Back on the Napoleon thing, would make sense he failed in Russia if he gave the orders to go West, half the troops would follow them, the other half would go east and be outnumbered. Bad decision there. Ok so he stands on a mountaintop looking east. If everything in the way was cleared and a line of mirrors set up around the world at the right angles to get around curvature of the earth it is indeed possible, and he was probably too stubborn to just turn around.
Another thing that could work would be the final battle of Darius, emperor of Persia, against Alexander the Great. Darius was scared stiff of the Greeks. He had over a 5:1 advantage, but he knew his opponent was a genius so he was terrified enough that when the Greeks arrived, exhausted after a forced march, Darius didn’t attack until the next day. Worse, Darius commanded his troops to stay awake and in full armor the whole night because he was sure the Greeks would raid. That’s right – he got his army tired, and effectively told them how scared he was, in one move.
Alexander the Great, however, told his troops that he was going to stay up until he figured out how he was going to win. Then, at around 8 PM, he laughed, said he had it, and told them all to get a good night’s sleep.
The battle the next day was a phenomenally one-sided stomping. With numbers alone, the Persians should’ve won, but the Greeks managed to open up their center and struck at where Darius was. The moment they got close, Darius ran for his life, and his army had no inclination of dying for a coward. He was stabbed by one of his own generals a few days later.
You forgot “Invading Iraq – George W. Bush”.
***Sigh***
Yes, I do, in fact, know east from west. I tend to write rather long-windedly and jfrater wisely edits my lists to save bandwidth. Unfortunately, I originally said something about Napoleon looking west to Britain and then deciding to go east to Russia. In the editing, the two got mixed up, lol. So yes, Napoleon did look West, although, as some of you have pointed out, if he’d told his army to march West until they invaded Russia, they’d probably have tried to do it . . . two oceans and all. They were a dedicated bunch.
Great list, Shannon, very interesting! Thanks for taking the time to write this.
thank you russ
@drshady (27): “Yes…invading Kuwait was a stupid decision too, but it was fueled by the american government at that time to give themselfs a justifiable reason for invading Iraq…THAT’s what i call savage.”
huh? last time I checked, we invaded Iraq for less than a week. I think hostilities were over in 4 or 5 days. if your “theory” made any sense, wouldn’t have stayed in Iraq? Also, the “forces “invading Iraq” were part of a multi-national force made up of just about every NATO nation, Australia, NZ, etc.
i remember reading about supplies to gallipoli being so bad that some troops started throwing stones.sounds maybe exaggerated to say it could have happened on the large scale. but maybe there was some truth in it.
(i mean after all i read it on d’internet so it must be true)
ANZAC…RIP
I’m sure Iraq is going to be a big topic of discussion on here, so here’s my two cents.
Operations Iraqi and Enduring Freedom are still ongoing, and thus it would be somewhat premature to make an objective assessment of the wisdom of the conflicts, which is why I’m glad that they were left off of this list. That said, just from how the wars have been conducted thus far, US Military legacy has definitely been tarnished further by a combination of poor strategic planning and high-level mismanagement of forces.
OEF (Afghanistan) was a conflict that had a wide base of support from its very beginning. Not only was manning not an issue at the time, but it did not take much to garner support from Afghanis who were tired of the oppressive regime. It’s a relatively culturally homogeneous region that doesn’t fall prey to sectarianism. The Bush admin and the Pentagon felt that a Special Ops-heavy strategy would suffice, with minimal conventional forces.
Fast forward a year, OEF was still going, but attention was diverted toward Iraq. A strategy was developed by then-Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld to use as minimal of a force as possible. Emphasis was put on creating a highly-mobile, modular force that could be adapted for a variety of different kinds of missions. This strategy, however, was not suited for a long period of sustained combat. After Shock and Awe kicked off OIF, US and Coalition forces quickly steamrolled through the Iraq forces, and soon-after dismantled the entire Iraqi government infrastructure and military. This is more of a political blunder than a military one, but just as with President Johnson’s micromanagement of Vietnam, politics can play a major role in military victories and losses. All the major Ba’ath party members were either arrested or put in exile, leaving Iraq with no one with any political influence to keep the two major Muslim sects — Sunni and Shia — from killing each other. What followed was a civil war, followed by ethnic cleansing, on top of the influence of foreign Jihadists sneaking in to spark a stubborn insurgency.
All those factors combined left the unprepared occupying US and Coalition forces overwhelmed. The Bush administration struggled to reconcile with its errors and spent its last two years in office working rectify them by appointing new officials in key advisory and military command positions, and shifting to new strategies to adapt to the new threats.
Unfortunately, with all the attention being focused on the Iraq quagmire, the US and Coalition forces engaged in Afghanistan found themselves somewhat neglected by Washington and by the American public. Meanwhile they were facing a regrouped and increasingly well-organized Taliban force. By early 2008, it was becoming apparent that the US needed to send more conventional troops to Afghanistan. However, most of the conventional force by then had been tied up and bogged down by multiple deployments in Iraq.
The transition between the two wars has already begun, but it’s a slow process. As Iraq winds down, soon we’ll be able to make a better assessment of what was done right and wrong. The Afghanistan campaign, though, still has a few years of life left in it. With any hope, the lessons learned will be applied in conflicts to come.
Interesting insight into these conflicts. Only time will tell what lessons will come from these wars. Unfortunately, the lessons will probably be old ones that we should have already known.
Sorry for the War & Peace-lenth post. Ha!
really badly written- mocks military leaders who had experience and expertise just because you know the bad effects due to history books.
for example invading russia with a massive and experienced grand army was not stupid for napoleon or hitler and only huge russian space and numbers eventually ground them down- however both were very close to victory
the cartridges in rifles were not made with pig or cow fat- it was a rumour spread to ignite a rebellion but wasnt true.
@alexman (45):
Hitler commenced to invade Russia, even though his generals were firmly against it for military reasons.
Seems like an unwise decision, even at the time…
Paschendale, Cannae, Carrhae, Teutoberg Forest, Battle of Blood River…..
That said, it’s still a great list and worth mentioning that a bonehead move can be made more glaring by the brilliance of the opposing forces.
The Alamo battle buildup was a little more complex than you made it out here.
Mexico had made the land open to people to populate, rid it of its lawlessness, and make it respectable so that it could be taxed like any other state in Mexico.
Mexico had abolished slavery, the Texans wanted to continue their slave holding traditions (this also included black slaveowners, a very rare sight). This and other transgressions of Mexican law caused Mexico to feel that its laws and territories were being violated and felt the only way to stop this was by sending in the army. The Texans were fighting for freedom, one of those freedoms was the right to possess slaves.
Often the victors DO write the history books to make themselves look better.
@alexman (45): I’d give Napoleon benefit of the doubt, but Hitler’s decision to take on the Soviets was extremely ill-advised. The Nazis were already occupied in their western front, and he virtually cut himself off by biting off more than he could chew. On top of that, he pressed on in spite of concerns from his advisers that the conflict would likely be drawn out through the winter. He ignored that contingency and left many of his own soldiers to freeze thanks to being under-equipped. It was a massive gamble that did not pay off.
ANZAC Day is near-sacred in Australia and New Zealand, but more British troops fought and died there than Aussies and Kiwis. It was Australia’s first contribution in its own right to world events.
Johnson’s War on Poverty: The War on Poverty is still claiming casualties. While not a military operation, its family-busting, moral-undermining, and work-ethic-crushing nanny-statism paved the way to the coming horrors of Obamacare, the next great doomed-to-fail operation. Obamacare will prove to be worse to America’s health and freedoms than the Napoleonic and Hitlerian invasions of Russia were for France, Germany, and Russia combined.
save world no war pls
@That Guy From Pennsylvania (50): *rolls eyes*
Hitler made a poor decision because he was constantly given information about his armies that only showed them in the absolute best light. His generals and staff were terrified of him and would only reinforce ideas that assured him of his superiority and victory. Only when it was too late did they finally begin to speak freely.
On top of that, Hitler had a daily regimen of amphetamines- meth- which had been invented by the germans in WW2 to create supersoldiers. They had no idea that long term amphetamine useage leads to mental and emotional instability. When everyone talks about how Hitler went mad in the end, they forget to explain that it was due to this, not because he was an ‘evil genius’.
More than any other reason, the Germans lost the war because of drugs.
I have to agree with a previous poster that some of the writing in this list is just insulting, and it passes judgement from a place that doesn’t have all of the facts of the situation or understanding of what the people in it were thinking or what their view of the situation was.
It’s easy to pass judgement in hindsight. Most of this list is based on a basic, year one university debunked logic flaw called the Historian’s Fallacy.
"I have to agree with a previous poster that some of the writing in this list is just insulting, and it passes judgement from a place that doesn't have all of the facts of the situation or understanding of what the people in it were thinking or what their view of the situation was."
The writer of this list makes that very point; didn't you read the introduction? Simply because we have the benefit of hindsight doesn't give those who made bad decisions a pass on criticism. Given your declination to pass judgement, we would be left with average leaders and geniuses, nothing less. And what might we learn from that?
I knew when reading the title that invading Mother Russia would be on the list. Glad that both were added. No matter which way you look at it, invading Russia during winter is dumb…no matter what was said or done before. Just common sense.
Very cool list, Shannon. Awesome writing and well researched. I only knew about half of these. Very interesting to read, so thank you!
cool story, bro
The Winter War sucked pretty hard for Russia.
Hey for number two. And I don’t want to seem like an ass. But it was Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines. Marines are not soldiers, they are Marines.
Great list though, it made me giggle.
Somewhat long, but well written list. I enjoyed it quite a bit more than I expected to. Military lists aren’t usually my thing. Good Job.
The great mistake is to anticipate the outcome of the engagement; you ought not to be thinking of whether it ends in victory or in defeat.
— Bruce Lee
Serg,
That was a very well thought out post but I do have two points of contention.
1) The American military’s prestige hasn’t taken a hit although if we had lost in Iraq it definitely would have.
2) Afghanistan is NOT a homogeneous culture. Although they are not sectarian like Sunni and Shia, they are extremely tribal which means that you don’t have two groups a loggerheads but several hundred. That makes it much worse since it is hard to have a distant centralized government tell far away tribes what to do.
Afghanistan is likely to be lost unless we can figure out how to extend Afghan’s governmental controls over the tribal regions. The only thing is that this was ALWAYS the case, regardless of troop strength. Probably our only hope is that we can strengthen the government in Kabul and surrounding areas and let the tribes pretty much run themselves until kabul is ready to try to exert itself over long distances.
Either way, it probably will have little to do with us after a few more years.
Seriously in the Past 1200 no Non-Muslim army has been able to hold Afghanistan for more than 25 years. If you think the US is “Exceptional,”
Think again.
The Pearl Harbor attack.
Why on earth Japan would attack US when American doesn’t want to get to the war?
Japan had to have natural resources, so they had to start invading their neighbors. Surely Japan knew the U.S. would eventually enter the war, and by attacking us first, they got in a good blow. Had our carriers been there at Pearl Harbor, they might have won at least a negotiated peace, or had time to consolidate their gains.