Conspiracy theories – I can’t get enough of them! Fortunately there are so many floating about that we have been able to give you not one, not two, but now three lists of theories that many people believe with all their might. Be sure to read the earlier lists if you haven’t already and feel free to add any conspiracies missing from all three to the comments here.
It makes the list because it appears in almost every alien or UFO conspiracy theory ever devised. The fact is Area 51 is real. It’s a popular target on Google Earth. Another fact is that the FAA has confirmed that no air routes go over or anywhere near Area 51, by direct order from the USAF.
There are television shows purporting to explain just what goes on there, one even including an interview with “a disgruntled employee,” who is provided with black-out lighting, but no vocal distortion, and who states that “it is a testing ground for experimental aircraft. It’s as simple as that.”
I considered putting the Aurora Aircraft on this list, but since its existence is tied so closely to Area 51, I use Area 51 as a catch-all of sorts. It is verifiable now, that the F-117 Stealth Fighter, the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber, and the SR-71 Blackbird were all invented at Area 51. This may account for all the strange lights people have recorded near the base through the years.
But the conspiracy theory goes on to claim that humans were unable to come up with these technologies. They were, instead, reverse engineered by studying the technology of the flying saucer that crashed at Roswell, NM, in 1947. In fact, there may have been other alien aircraft recovered or even shot down in the area over the years, all of which have led to the USAF’s mighty power of innovation. The theory claims that the flying saucer is still there, housed in a secret bunker or hangar, as are the corpses of the three or four aliens who crashed it and died.
This one at least seems plausible, as it has nothing to do with science fiction. This theory states that Bill Clinton, while he was president and before, was quietly assassinating his associates (ostensibly anyone who got in the way of his career, such as Vince Foster). The Clinton Body Count is a list of about 50-60 associates of Clinton who have died “under mysterious circumstance.” The list began circulating over the Internet starting in the mid-1990s. The list grew out of a 1993 list of about 24 names prepared by the pro-gun lobby group American Justice Federation, which was led by Linda Thompson. The list was posted to the group’s bulletin board system.
The facts concerning Vince Foster’s death are that he died untimely, on July 20, 1993, of apparent suicide by gunshot in the mouth. His body was found in Fort Marcy Park, Virginia. Gunshot residue was found on the hand which had held the gun. Foster and Clinton were boyhood friends, both lawyers, and it is believed by the theory that Foster got too close to uncovering some embarrassing truth about Clinton, probably of a sexual and/or dishonest nature, and that Foster was assassinated, less than a year after joining Clinton’s White House staff.
The theorists argue that it is unlikely that a man with a wife and three children, and an extremely lucrative law practice, earning him $300,000 a year, would have manic depression, but Foster was diagnosed with it and prescribed anti-depressants.
Yes, you read that right. According to this conspiracy theory, the man himself never existed. His life story, his ministry, his status as the divine Son of God, is a fabrication of the Roman Catholic Church. Those who have proposed one form or another of this theory have documented the similarities between stories of Jesus and those of Krishna, Adonis, Osiris, Mithra, and a pre-Christian cult of Jesus (Joshua) within Judaism. Some authors attribute the beginning of Christianity to a historical founder who predates the time Jesus is said to have lived.
The theory appears to have been originated by two French Enlightenment thinkers, Constantin-Francois Volney and Charles Francois Dupuis, in the 1790s. The theory has always been largely dismissed by academic circles and biblical historians, in which case, the theorists simply elaborated on the theory. Not only did Jesus never exist, his presence in the New Testament is utter fiction, created by the Roman Catholic Church sometime in the very early 3rd Century AD, or late 2nd Century, as a means by which to control people. The authorities passed down the idea to their successors until Constantine considered it a very good means of control and called the Council of Nicaea to organize the Church into global domination.
Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it – there are still many people who would like to think he didn’t. That is the source of this bizarre revisionist theory.
Satan is alive on Earth, and has created the Antichrist, who is, at this moment, not quite old enough to seize power, but will in only a few years. He will do so in a very political manner, taking over some powerful organization, such as the United Nations.
Every generation, since St. John the Divine wrote the Revelation, has sworn that it would witness the Great Tribulation, Armageddon, and the second coming of Jesus. “The end is near,” everyone has been saying.
Now, though, with the advent of global communications, especially the Internet, the theory has swelled exponentially. Christians who previously didn’t think much of it have changed their minds. It can be argued that the worldwide availability of press coverage only serves to heighten fear of terrible things happening at any moment. 9/11 was the most well covered, watched tragedy in human history. Wheneer a tragedy occurs, people who believe in the Christian end-times scenarios flock to church to pray away their fear.
But now, with the ability to control the entire world actually conceivable, the paranoia of the Antichrist showing up has become quite the pandemic. Most terrorists believe he will be male, will arise in Europe, probably Western Europe, and some even swear that he will be French. Plenty are sure, however, that President Barack Obama is in fact the Antichrist. Numerologists believe that the Antichrist is not yet old enough, but will make his appearance at the age of 30, symbolically equal to Jesus beginning his ministry. Worldwide terrorism, the current U. S. led war on it in the hotbed of political unrest, and the fact that almost every Arab nation seems to be threatening an invasion of Israel at every second, all serve to make this one feel very real. Every day CNN is loaded with horror stories about the Holy Land, and it just seems to keep getting worse. “The end is near.”
It is a verifiable fact that the human land speed record was set in 1899 at 65 mph by an electric car. Steam and gasoline-powered automobiles could not achieve this for another 20 to 25 years. Today, technology has progressed immensely, and yet, we still have no electric cars. The best production model is the Toyota Prius, which gets 50 mpg. This only intensifies the theory that the U. S. oil companies currently possess the technology for purely electric cars, which you can plug into an ordinary, American wall outlet at night and charge up to a cross-country trip by morning.
But because this would, in truth, bankrupt the oil companies, they refuse to release the technology, and have even put out successful hits on various geniuses since the 1960s, none of whom became very famous, because he was killed before he could make his publish his discovery. A documentary in 2006, “Who Killed the Electric Car?” fueled the fire that if the technology is documented to have existed as early as the 1830s, why did it appear to hits its peak at the turn of the 20th Century, and then decline? Why are we still waiting for electric cars? Edison patented one in 1913. All the electrical pioneers of that time tinkered with the idea, and plenty of reasonable examples were produced.
The High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program does exist. It is a research project funded jointly by the USAF, the US Navy, the University of Alaska, and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). When you put that many government organizations into one sentence about new technology, conspiracy theorists come running. Did you see the 2003 movie “The Core”? It concerns a stall in the earth’s magnetic field, allowing the sun’s microwave radiation to cook the planet, until a team goes into the core of the planet and jumpstarts it spinning again, so the magnetic field will resume.
The movie explains that the stall was caused not on its own, but accidentally by HAARP, which is researching the ability to create earthquakes for use as a weapon. The official description of the program, given by the program, is “to provide a research facility to conduct pioneering experiments in ionospheric phenomena… used to analyze basic ionospheric properties and to assess the potential for developing ionospheric enhancement technology for communications and surveillance purposes.”
This sounds like the opposite of deep-Earth experiments, but conspiracy theorists believe the program is a cover for a kind of particle-beam weapon, first invented by Nikola Tesla, which has in fact been perfected, or brought close to perfection, by HAARP. The theory also claims that the ionospheric research is not a lie, but is being developed for use as a weapon to shoot down enemy spacecraft, or ballistic missiles, the latter popular especially given that HAARP’s facilities are all in Alaska, close to Russia. It even speculates that the weapon could become Tesla’s most infamous invention: “the Death Beam,” able to project a beam of extremely powerful electricity from the facility to any point on the planet and create an explosion as devastating as a hydrogen bomb.
It has been suggested that there is a secret form of energy, called Vril, which is used and controlled by a secret subterranean society of matriarchal socialist utopian superior beings. Yes, you read that correctly. It is similar in this respect to the #2 theory. It also claims that Nazi Germany discovered this race, and its technology, at Shambhala, Tibet, and used it to create flying saucers (pictured above).
The whole theory is based on an 1871 sci-fi novel by Edward Bulwer-Lytton, titled, “Vril: The Coming of the Race.” It is generally considered an early example of science fiction, but because this genre was just getting off the ground at the time, it was seen by many as a non-fiction account of the subterranean race and their technology, a theory which persists today. The theory really took off in the 1960s.
This one actually sounds plausible. Nikola Tesla claimed that free energy was indeed possible, and worked for most of his career to achieve it. The theory claims that he did, in fact, succeed, just before his death in 1943, in discovering the mathematics and mechanics involved, but that the FBI immediately broke into his home and seized all his papers and work, and has never released any of it to the public.
The concept of free energy is, in very general terms, the ability to input x amount of energy into a machine, which will output x + 1 amount of energy. This seems to conflict with the law of conservation of energy, which states that energy can neither be created nor destroyed. Tesla believed the law to be incorrect. He invented the Tesla Coil as an attempt to create free energy.
If it is possible, free energy could be perfected and result in the entire planet being powered by a single power source, such as a nuclear power plant, and output all the energy anyone could ever need. An infinite supply of energy at our fingertips, all based on electric output. You can see how this would irritate the oil companies.
They are the cause of the suppression, the theory claims, as no one would have to depend on fossil fuels anymore. Electric input is just as viable as coal input, or gasoline input. Thus, the electricity required to power a lightbulb could be all we need to power the whole world, invent spacecrafts capable of interstellar travel, anti-gravity, etc.
This theory is a lot of fun. It has been alleged that the U. S. and Israeli governments led archaeological digs in the past, which discovered the True Cross, on which Jesus Himself was crucified (along with many others, as crosses were reused). The theories disagree on the location, most claiming Jerusalem, many claiming Rosslyn Chapel in Scotland, or various places in England.
Minute traces of blood were discovered on the cross and analyzed. The DNA was of several strains, and one was encoded not on a double helix, but on a triple helix! Is this good stuff or what?! The DNA is unlike any other known, and was labeled as a new species, Homo superioris. The theory continues that there are other people of this species currently living underground in various places around the world, including most of the major cities, and they have been around as long or longer than Homo sapiens. Jesus made the unprecedented decision to come up to the surface and live among us, and try to teach us to be good, and kind and peaceful.
His species possesses phenomenal supernatural abilities, including telekinesis, levitation (walking on water), telepathy (knowing people’s thoughts), healing, etc. They are also very difficult to kill, and when no one was looking, presumably during the freak storm and earthquake, Jesus got down off the cross and disappeared, having done his job. This ties in with the Jesus bloodline theory.
In the annals of paranoia, no conspiracy theory is more labyrinthine, more convoluted, more encompassing of other conspiracy theories as the Montauk Project, based out of Camp Hero, Montauk Point, Long Island, New York. At the extreme northeastern tip of the island there is a massive AN/FPS-35 radar dish that has long since been decommissioned, but has been saved from demolition by a petition from the local civilian residents, who find it a better sea-faring landmark than the nearby Montauk Lighthouse. This dish features prominently in all the theories surrounding a hyper-top secret military research facility which supposedly operated from 1967 to the early 1980s.
Some theories claim that research still goes on there, deep underground in a facility that was frequently expanded since its inception. But the theories involving what went on in Camp Hero from the 1960s on are the best stuff you’re likely to hear in terms of science fiction realism. The Project began on US Government initiative in 1952-53, when a secret committee was organized to discuss possible research into time travel. The methods by which this could be achieved have never been adequately explained in the theory, but are based primarily on the work of the two favorite scientists of conspiracy theorists: Albert Einstein and Nikola Tesla.
Einstein’s general relativity theory is considered the only plausible jumping-off point to a Unified Field Theory, which has so far not been discovered. Or so the public thinks. The Montauk Project resulted directly from the Philadelphia Experiment, which topped a previous list of conspiracy theories and is claimed by the theorists to be the accidental discovery of time travel. Nikola Tesla, who supposedly died in 1943, did not die, but perfected Einstein’s theory, and invented the mechanics required to stabilize a wormhole, a rip in the fabric of space-time.
The Montauk Project furthered this research, funded initially by $10 billion in Nazi gold bullion, stolen by American soldiers from an underground railroad tunnel in Switzerland in 1945. Some theories include Tesla as the immortal head of the project, traveling through time to cheat death. The base is said to have created and stabilized a time tunnel into the past, enabling anyone to go into it and arrive at any programmed point in the past. But then something terrible happened. No one can agree on precisely what, except that a mechanical failure in the 1980s resulted in a horrible monster from a foreign world (and perhaps from the past or future), which came through the underground tunnel without warning and severely destroyed the base, before being killed by unknown means.
The government immediately scrapped the Project, having learned how to travel through time, and sealed off the entire base, which had grown so large that it actually extends, to this day, under the town of Montauk itself, several square miles. The massive radar dish was used to transmit messages to alien worlds in various times through the history of the Universe.
Today, Camp Hero is now a state park where anyone may go and picnic or hike, and yet there are verifiable reports of backpackers and campers being suddenly accosted by men with automatic assault rifles in the middle of the night and threatened with death if they didn’t leave. In all these reports, the men have been said to wear olive drab uniforms with no insignia of any kind. The film “Sunshine of the Spotless Mind” was filmed in the area, but not in the state park itself, because the local authorities charged exorbitant fees, apparently to dissuade the production from accidentally uncovering any secrets.
The theories all converge at a brilliant end: there is a concrete-sealed door in the side of a building on Camp Hero grounds, which leads down, and which no one is allowed to go near.






















September 26th, 2009 at 1:36 am
Nice list
September 26th, 2009 at 1:37 am
Nice list!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:41 am
nice nice list
September 26th, 2009 at 1:41 am
Saber25: no “first post” or “second post” comments please. Read the “Read me first” link above the comment box.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Love conspiracy my husband thinks Michael Jackson faked his death and has run off with all the money from concert ticket sales, to escape his crappy life!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 am
What a great list!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:44 am
@claudy (5): I know it sounds ridiculous – but I did wonder that myself
But, in the interests of not repeating the “elvis is alive” meme, I will deny it
September 26th, 2009 at 1:45 am
Wow, can’t believe that there was a rule that opposed Jesus and saying the Roman Catholic Church made him up so he can be famous. For me, this is not true, it happens when you pray and it was camp like you said some thing of yours was gone and I prayed, to Him and, to the miracle, I announced and then into my sight which I never seen before was there right in my feet which I stepped on many times but never felt it. It really sucks/hurts that Jesus isn’t real, because when you pray, deep in your heart, he approves what you say. So whoever opposes against Jesus will neither get a hole in the head because if you don’t believe in Jesus, you never ever get to believe never ending life. And FlameHorse, where or who the heck made you think Jesus wasn’t real? Really sucks you know.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:48 am
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September 26th, 2009 at 1:49 am
jfrater(4) Ok thanks. So that what happened Braden363. Never knew
September 26th, 2009 at 1:50 am
#1 would make a good science fiction novel
September 26th, 2009 at 1:50 am
HAARP was an awesome concert!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:51 am
any topic about religion is debatable..it should not be included here,unless you have some concrete proof.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:51 am
How about “10 locations where aliens come from” list?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:53 am
@hey(9): Do you even read the numbers? And how did you pass moderation?
September 26th, 2009 at 1:56 am
CLAUDY : he;s dead already ok?? leave him alone.. you;re degrading other person bec deep inside you;re insecure and worthless..so stop critisizing him already.. at least he has helped people worldwide..how about u?? nada. a no one.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:57 am
Awesome! When can I expect to see “Montauk Project, the Movie?”
September 26th, 2009 at 2:00 am
i smell religion war.. haha..
to say that Jesus doesn’t exist is a little to “atheistic”.
i’m a christian, but i’ve always been open to the ideas of others specially the non-believers..
there are no proofs that Christ does exist, but there are also no proofs that Christ doesn’t exist. =)
September 26th, 2009 at 2:09 am
Oops forgot to say, Religious debate coming up… Jamie thanks too for disabling my moderation, great to comment what I want to say but I’ll keep it balance.
Ok let the religious debate begin
September 26th, 2009 at 2:12 am
jhoyce07, seriously grow up, its a list of conspiracy theories, thats just a theory i have!!
September 26th, 2009 at 2:12 am
conspiracy theory proven correct: people who try to be first comment are not very smart or cool.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:13 am
…but there are also no proofs that Christ doesn’t exist. =)
That’s a very weak argument that doesn’t hold up to any logical scrutiny. Hence why we have the space teapot, IPU, flying spaghetti monster, etc.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:30 am
Controversial list here we come…
September 26th, 2009 at 2:33 am
……the fact that almost every Arab nation seems to be threatening an invasion of Israel at every second…….
That’s just nonsense
September 26th, 2009 at 2:34 am
Um – guys – make sure you read the item properly – it is saying that the “non-existence” of Christ is the conspiracy. Historically there is no doubt at all that he existed as is obvious from many of our other lists. I wouldn’t post a list that posited the idea that Jesus didn’t exist because it would not be honest in terms of historic evidence.
So again – just to be sure no one missed it: this list does not say Jesus didn’t exist – it says that SOME people hold to a conspiracy theory that he didn’t.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:46 am
The Jesus Myth proponents have a good argument. For me I’m not convinced either way. But saying there is no doubt he existed, well frankly, there is doubt. I may be an ex-Christian atheist, but I certainly ain’t no conspiracy nut.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:50 am
jfrater(25): Nooooooooo. Ok so this list won’t be on controversial any more
September 26th, 2009 at 2:56 am
“Plenty are sure, however, that President Barack Obama is in fact the Antichrist.”
it’s sure as hell looking that way.
great list!
September 26th, 2009 at 2:58 am
O_o conspiracy theory #11 : jesus existed.
im sorry but unless you can give evidence for jesus’ existence thats outside the bible or other religious books
its still a conspiracy theory
but there are facts that he didnt exist…because you cant find a trace of him anywhere on any sort of documents that werent religious….
September 26th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Wot about ALIEN MOTHERSHIP ON THE MOON? Go to Google Image Search, type in “AS15 P 9630″ and conspirate!
September 26th, 2009 at 3:02 am
but for a real conspiracy theory that now is quite well known…
the 5 news stations that reported on the 9/11 incident have fake footage of the attack..
there is a documentary about it called SEPTEMBER CLUES
its freely distributable to all, so look it up on torrent, youtube, or search it on google to get the whole thing
it shows quite some shocking things
September 26th, 2009 at 3:05 am
I could actually believe that Jesus was a more advanced species than us, what with all the amazing but seemingly-impossible things he was able to do.
But I wouldn’t mix that into the theory that the Nazis joined up with his species under the earth. I mean, that’s mixing the most evil people on earth with one of the nicest. Plus, Jesus was a jew. Somehow, I don’t think that relationship would work out…
Also, free energy sounds amazing. Think of what we’d be able to do will infinite energy! ^w^
Ny~♪
September 26th, 2009 at 3:13 am
Awesome list, FlameHorse! More fuel for the fire.
I wonder if someone is just sitting around making this stuff up and seeing how many people they can get to believe it.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:18 am
A straight up copy and paste job from wiki
September 26th, 2009 at 3:30 am
gh0st: shhhhhh.
if u be quite people wont know you are a dumb ass.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:33 am
good stuff man
September 26th, 2009 at 3:37 am
Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it …
What a foolish statement.
I tend to agree that there was almost certainly an historical person at the core of the Christianity, but to pretend that there is plenty of evidence is just silly.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Always been interisted in # 1 great list and a great read thanks
The comment section is going to be very loooooong today.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:47 am
awesome list… as usual
September 26th, 2009 at 3:47 am
Here are a few more … er … interesting conspiracy theories that didn’t make the cut:
STEPHEN KING KILLED JOHN LENNON
http://www.lennonmurdertruth.com/
PHONY JOURNALIST & GOP OPERATIVE JEFF GANNON IS ACTUALLY CHILD-KIDNAPPING VICTIM JOHNNY GOSCH
http://www.rense.com/general67/gannn.htm
September 26th, 2009 at 3:49 am
Does anyone know if that antichrist pic is from some movie? It seriously freaks me out in a good way.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:52 am
@SS (29): Can you give me proof that Aristotle existed outside of books? How about Plato? Aristophanes? Euripides? Hmm. Shakespeare? No? So none of them must exist. You expect a proof that no historian expects. Basically you are saying: “the proof is in these books. I don’t want to believe it so I will reject those books”.
I would suggest you read some of the patristics (though they are in books only – which may mean they can’t exist according to your opinion). The apostles of Jesus had apostles who also wrote about Jesus and the apostles. They also had apostles who did the same thing. You are basically rejecting the entirety of documentary evidence from the first few centuries of our calendar.
Even Wikipedia – which is not particularly biased to a Christian perspective says that the first time anyone disputed the historicity of Christ was in the 18th century (one thousand seven hundred years after EVERYONE agreed he existed). They also say this:
Note the “almost all” – these are scientists who study history and Biblical archeology. Your denial of their views is the same as those who deny evolution for creationism despite the fact that almost all scientists agree that evolution is true.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:52 am
@Ricky (40): It is from the Passion of the Christ by Mel Gibson.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Read my second to last comment. There is MUCH documentary evidence outside of the Bible. The fact that you haven’t read it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Wtf? When was the last time Saudi Arabia threatened to invade Israel? If they so much as voiced the sentiment, their US aid would drop exponentially.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:01 am
i think you just convinced me on beliving 6, it seems so palusible. actualy i cant see other explanations, anyone?
and for the religion debate, i’m quite sure there is more proof of jesus existing than non existing, but what there is not proof of is all the miracles and wierd stuff he did.
he existed as a man but we do not know if he was a superior beeing. at least i think i’m right.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:12 am
@jfrater(41) wow, that was convincing. i personaly think that the less plausible of the theories is the jesus one. yes, even less than the last one. it just seems like two old and angry atheists made it up to have other “proof” that the roman church was bad. the whole point of the theori is wrong: we know jesus existed. what we dont know is if he was the son of god, or by any means somewhat special.
sorry for the grammar, i’m italian.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:15 am
jesus was real but not as most people know him
he was a not particuarly popular preacher from the hills
whose life was embellished by stealing stories from other messiah like figures after he was dead.
it’s like if jim jones or one of those other marginally known tv preachers in america was given the stories and powers of other messiahs after their death- they would then become christ like figures.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:17 am
@jrfrater (41): Funny that you should mention that the first time anyone actually debated Jesus existance ws in the 18thcentury.
Why do you think that was, hm?
And the apostles of Jesus wrote about Jesus?
And they’re apostles filled out the entire first part of our calender?
What was everyone else doing?
And also,anyone that studies the bible for facts, is a fucking nutjob.
Nope i gotta go with SS (31), give me something that isn’t the bible or any other biased/humbug books that proves the existance of Jesus and i’ll swallow it.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:20 am
the electric car one could easily be true as corporations have way to much influence in america as is being shown nowdays too.
if number 1 is so secret and strange how did all these detailed facts come out into the public?
jesus being a different species was clearly made up by some L. Ron Hubbard
September 26th, 2009 at 4:25 am
@Ricky (40) The actor’s name is Davide Marotta.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:31 am
@SS (29): How about the Jewish historian Josephus?
Also Tacitus mentions Jesus from a pre-Christian Roman point of view. There are also some archeological evidence in Jerusalem which MIGHT refer to the historical Jesus.
We have more historical evidence of Jesus than almost any other person living in that area of the world at the time.
If you doubt the historical existence of Jesus you have to – by the same standard – doubt the historical evidence of the Persian wars for example. Our knowledge of most things before the year 1000 is based on just a few written sources – therefore don’t question Jesus historical existence just because you are a non-Christian. Since there are a lot of non-Biblical references for Jesus as well.
If Jesus was the son of God – that is an entirely different matter. But his historicity is verified.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:34 am
Plenty of historical proof that Jesus existed?……Where is all this proof??? That’s a totally unsupportable claim.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:37 am
This guy was walking around Palestine performing MIRACLES!!!
and only 3 people in history refer to him?? Don’t believe it just because you are a christian apologist.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:39 am
#2 – Is it possible David Icke was right and Jesus is a shape-shifting time-travelling lizard?
Interesting list – I did chuckle at the description of the Montauk Point base as being ’severely destroyed’. It would have been much easier to clean up some mild-to-moderate destruction.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:46 am
There is just as much proof for the historical Mohammad….
September 26th, 2009 at 4:53 am
I think it’s quite wrong to say there is ‘plenty of evidence’ that Jesus existed. There is not. Many of the ’secular evidences’ that you hear of today have actually been fraudulent.
However, there is some, but even that is debated over whether it is about the Jesus from the Bible, and not another man (Historians accepted that a man existed, yes, not necessarily Jesus exactly how he is in the Bible). It’s quite possible a preacher or teacher existed who we now know as Jesus, but nothing was actually written about him when he was alive. Nothing at all. So whatever was written about him was from memory, or from stories or letters.
I think it’s very intellectually dishonest to say ‘Jesus existed!’. It’s much better to say ‘A man existed, who upset some people and made some happy – and he may be the source of the figure of ‘Jesus’ we know today.’
September 26th, 2009 at 5:00 am
All that don’t believe in Jesus are neither called scientist, biologists, or assholes. :S
September 26th, 2009 at 5:03 am
@41: “The apostles of Jesus had apostles who also wrote about Jesus and the apostles. They also had apostles who did the same thing. You are basically rejecting the entirety of documentary evidence from the first few centuries of our calendar.”
The new testament was written about 60-80 years after JC was around, but people who never met him. It was oral lore up to that point. The Bible shows all the signs of being folklore. Just saying something is true doesn’t make it so.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:06 am
epic list thanks for it!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:09 am
There is lots of historical evidence for the Antichrist! First, that book of the Bible written by some guy named John (probably an insane man on the isle of Patmos, possibly some other John) while high on mushrooms… that tells us for sure! Also, three Omen movies! How can you argue with those historical records? Plus, my pastor at church told me, and because he put his hand on the HOLY Bible (written personally by GOD), it is impossible for him to lie, so that’s HISTORY, dudes!
Seriously, how can you prop up the existence of a mythical Jesus and all the outlandish myths cobbled together from Egyptian and pagan beliefs, passed down through popular oral and written histories, and yet discount the existence of his counterpart? There is at least as much mention of an ‘antichrist’ in those same so-called historical records.
Religion continues to amuse me. Adherents are such adept cherry-pickers that they should be able to live on cherry pie alone until Jesus, the Antichrist, Judge Crater and Bigfoot all show up on CNN.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Sorry, but there’s no historical evidence that jesus even existed. we cannot find any records of him, not even in pilatos documents, no even one roman historian wrote anything about him, etc. Noting. Nada.
just the bible, and some non-canonical evageliums. -and any documents with flying water-walking dead corpses are not taken seriously-.
There is more evidence of mohamed (the muslim guy) than christ. (also, mohamed is not as old as Jesus)
About Aristotle & Friends, there is more stuff about him and his students, than just a few books he wrote. But, at least, Aristotle wrote his own books. Jesus didn’t.
However, crazy ppl saying they’re the son of god is a fairly common today, and was even more common 2000 years ago.
I know the lack of proof won’t get any of you to deny the existence of either jesus or god. or mohamed, buda, krishna or whatever. but i want to ask you to say the things as they truly are. there’s no proof, not even one, of jesus besides the bible (wich is not enought)
September 26th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Good list, as for the Jesus didn’t exist theory, I don’t believe there is any nonbiblical proof that Jesus existed. In point of fact there were many rabbis, prophets, and teachers in the time that he is believed to exist and one theory is that the biblical Jesus is based on an amalgam of these men.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:11 am
59th post
September 26th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Not having much to do can be a pain. I recently found this website while looking for ridiculous conspiracy theories to have a laugh, and what do i find out? A number one theory involving my father!
I do not know how people got to know so much, but some of the facts are wrong. No monster came through the portal. We were greeted by the reptillian overlord and his minions, who proceeded to invade earth.
My father thought it would be a good idea to oppose them, the idiot. He had so much time to travel to unknown worlds and he hadn’t figured it out: resistance against the reptillian hivemind is futile. We are still to find him, but he will die.
I for one decided to side with them. As a reward, i will be given command of the northern hemisphere. As a more immediate reward, they have transplanted my brain into a reptillian body, and i am now enjoying eternal life.
We have made many secret dealings with the jews. The arabs know about our plan and have the means to stop it. We need someone to put them in check, and jews always love to have more money in their pockets. They will suffer as much as everyone else once the new world order is implemented, though. Jews are still human after all.
I thought it would be fun to confess our plan on the internet. Some will say i am a crazy man. The conspiracy theory cooks will take my words seriously and seen as crazy people.
The truth has been put right before your eyes, and you will do nothing.
There is nothing you can do to stop us, anyway.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Another topical conspiracy theory…
The Fall of 2009 H1N1 swine flu vaccine, manufactured by corporations controlled by the Illuminati, is actually an effort to depopulate Earth by two thirds. And a second wave of the Illuminati mischief’s plan will further depopulate the planet to just 500 million people.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:52 am
i’m sure that i read a couple of times and/or heard about the evidence of the historical jesus existing. it was actually a quite well known fact. what i thought the debat was about was his parental relashion with god…
September 26th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Please provide evidence that the New Testament’s Jesus really existed.
The oldest writings of the New Testament are those of St Paul, who never met Jesus and considered him an ethereal divinity, much like the Essenes did. All four canonic Gospels (other contemporary Gospels were later considered heretic and forbidden) were written 1-2 centuries later, when Christiany became a rising cult, and all four are full of contradictions among themselves (for example, they all differ in the last words of Jesus, even though that was an extremely important moment and there was a number of witnesses around).
The New Testament is not a historical account of facts, and Jesus’s character most probably is a combination of existing myths and vaguely known historical figures. The Bilble is a proof of Jesus’s historical existence as much as the Iliad or the Odyssey prove that Ulysses was a historical person.
Please read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus
September 26th, 2009 at 6:33 am
@damascene(67): i read the wikipedia article and it seems there is quite a lot of references to jesus even from roman accounts, i really want to stress that i am not declaryng jesus the son of god or a divine beeing, it just seems that he existed. otherwise i could not explain to myself what they are all going on about..there must of been this guy named Chrestus (jesus) that proclamed to be the son of god, maybe he was or maybe he was just a normal man.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:35 am
There is an ongoing, happening now, conspiracy theory (except it is true:-)) that ties together the original polio vaccine, the JFK assassination, AIDs, the Cuban missile crisis, a hurricane, the CIA, soft tissue cancers, an attempted Castro assassination, Ochsner Clinic, the Mafia, pharmaceutical companies, top secret biology weapon research in New Orleans, the Illuminati, Monkey viruses, Catholicism, Lee Harvey Oswald, the unsolved 1964 murder of a nationally known cancer researcher as well as past and future global pandemics. – The current swine flu pandemic and its vaccines might be related. For more information start by reading Dr. Mary’s Monkey by Edward T. Haslam. Scary stuff!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Tesla’s socialist concept of distribution of energy was always sabotaged by the millionaries of the electrical companies, it will be great that we could have free electricity, electric vehicles and wifi internet for everyone, that will be real progress.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Is there anyone more fun than a conspiracy theorist?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:11 am
The “Jesus Myth” has little to no support among historians.
It’s funny, one of my friends proposed that Socrates was a fictional creation by Plato. But, once again, no scholarly support.
The best conspiracy theory I’ve ever heard is from Twelve Monkeys. That germs do not exist, they were invented in order to sell medicine and make companies rich :p
September 26th, 2009 at 7:12 am
@Damascene (68): The canonical gospels were written 100 years after Christ? How do you explain Clement of Rome who died in 98 AD? He was the Fourth Pope and his first letter says this:
So a mere 60 years after Jesus died the fourth Pope wrote about a pretend person? Or do you consider clement pretend as well? Clement also refers to the gospels in his writings as did many of the Church fathers.
Did you actually read the link you posted? It says this: “Nevertheless, the historicity of Jesus is accepted by almost all Biblical scholars and classical historians.”
So what is your qualification that enables you to contradict the vast majority of scholars (including non-religious) who agree that Jesus did exist? If you are honest with yourself, are you denying it because you have evidence or are you denying it because it is fashionable to be an atheist at the moment?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:15 am
@SlashBeast (73): Nicely put – the only evidence we have of socrates is through the writing of Plato – his student. People will deny the historical Christ but accept the reality of Socrates. This is clearly not a matter of honest investigation but a religious desire to reject the existence of Jesus.
Regardless of whether you believe he performed miracles, there is an enormous amount of documentary evidence that Jesus existed. As I said before, to deny that is the same as the revisionists who deny the holocaust happened. It suits them to deny it so they do – in the face of enormous evidence to the contrary.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:15 am
The Christ Myth Theory? That isn’t a theory. He never existed. That’s common knowledge.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Did you know that Christopher Marlowe was Shakespeare?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:21 am
@jfrater (74):
‘or are you denying it because it is fashionable to be an atheist at the moment?’
This is the most ridiculous thing anybody has said in a long time.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:27 am
I love conspiracy theorists.
“I don’t want to be one the sheep so I’ll conform to non-conformity and disregard mountains of evidence contrary to my position”.
I blame that horribly unfactual film Zeitgeist for all this “Jesus Myth” non-sense. Man, what a double-edged sword the internet turned out to be.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I don’t think Jesus was made up, just like Gilgamesh probably wasn’t “Made up”. I just think those other stories, Horus, Krishna , Dionysus got attached to him after death.
Just like George Washington, cherry tree anyone?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I believe #1 was in part a basis for the Stephen King story “The Mist”.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:44 am
I believe in #6 because my own lecturer said that…
September 26th, 2009 at 7:55 am
ive re-read the previous lists and i noticed you are missing the 2012 theory. I did alot of research on the subject and it is in fact a hoax. scary thought yes, but many clues are left that show it is not true.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am
The religious myth debate is tired and boring and pointless.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am
@jfrater (74): I resent that comment. Apparently disagreeing with 83.9% percent of your country is “fashionable”. (U.S.)
September 26th, 2009 at 8:03 am
#7 is true cause I am the antichrist! I cause #8 and I live where #1 is, with my free energy. Yippy!
September 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Muse rules!
September 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
@Glass (79):
lol @ Zeitgeist.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
though maybe the part about the federal reserve has me thinking……
September 26th, 2009 at 8:21 am
There is no evidence that Christ existed. The new testament does count. Neither does faith.
Visit the history department at your local college, and ask a well rounded professor.
Perhaps a very mentally ill man existed who was told that he was born of a virgin and was meant to be the son of a God and had nearly limitless powers. That is all.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
THAT’S WHAT I’M TALKIN’ ABOUT!!!….awesome list!!…this is the kind of stuff I visit this site for every morning hoping to read!!….Kudos flamehorse
September 26th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Yes, Jesus was an historical person. The one that is the the most annoying to me is #9, The Clinton Body Count. I was a HISTORY professor from Arkansas, and I have met the man several times. Almost everyone in Arkansas who is a bit older that met him at least once. He is just a good ole’ boy. A good ole’ horny boy, but a good ole’ boy nonetheless. He is a good man, given to making bad choices like all of us do from time to time, but he wouldn’t kill over it. Everyone already knew about it anyway. A country boy that is a whole lot smarter than the rest of the world.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Fuck is this one gonna end up in the controversial lists too? This debating (ahem, arguing) is just getting out of hand.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
they all fake!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
i am not watch simpsons in a long time. I MISS SIMPSONS
Leave Me Alone
P.S
Leave Michael Jackon Alone
Leave Barack Obama Alone
September 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
i am fucked up!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
My god, that has to be the most retarded article I’ve ever read.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Where is the evidence of Jesus Christ’s existence outside of the bible??? The accounts of Jesus’ life were not put to paper until many years after his supposed life by people who were not even there to meet him. But beyond all the ho hum, boring debate evidence against his life, it simply comes down to not believing in a guy that performed miracles and rose from the dead…had a man like that made those claims today, it would be proven wrong…it was much easier to fool people 2000 years ago, before and advent of modern scientific methods. It’s very obvious the moderator of this site is a Jesus freak.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I will be a very happy man if the inevitable fall of religion happens in my lifetime.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am
“It’s very obvious the moderator of this site is a Jesus freak.”
And it’s his site, so good on him. I vehemently disagree with JFrater on this topic, but he has the right to be wrong.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am
@j reb (101): Moi aussi!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Interesting list
September 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Junta Gleeben Glauten Globen.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Very weird. Yesterday I watched a documentary on the Vril Society (which I had never heard of before) and here it is on this list today. Hmmmm?
Hitler was a very creepy man.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Could you write a separate list of the Conspiracy theories involving Tesla!?
September 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
THIS is Listverse!
September 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
is it so hard to grasp that jesus ACTUALLY EXISTED? we have the fucking evidence. and i dont know jfrater personaly but i have followed the site and i think hes religious concept differes a bit from cattolicism (i rember a list were he said he studied teology, and he had quite a lot of knowledge on these subjects). but anyway why should you doubt the existence of this guy named jesus and not the existence of king leonida of the spartans, i suppose there is just the same evidence if not less than what there is for jesus.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Great list jfrater! Who would have thought Listverse attracted so many historians with advanced degrees? It’s obvious to me that the Jesus doubters know more than everyone else since there is so much evidence that supports their claim. Zeitgeist, anything written by nonfiction author Dan Brown, hell, even Bill Maher agrees, and he has his own tv show! Get with the program, jfrater. lol
September 26th, 2009 at 11:05 am
the anti christ does exist and is alive.
but is female.
in fact i used to go out with her.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:06 am
“Most terrorists believe he will be male,” In the antichrist part, i think you ment to say theorists instead of terrorists
September 26th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Cool list, though it could have been written better or edited better. I could actually believe some of these…but some just sound ridiculous. Like, some have a good starting point and then just get more and more convoluted. Awesome list.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Are you joking me? “Amazingly, some people don’t think Jesus ever existed!”
Well, no shit.
This list is obviously slanted to the side of a religious person and is not objective in the least.
September 26th, 2009 at 11:40 am
@archiealt (78):
How so? Denying that atheism is nowadays the vehicle for many young, reasonably developed, “independent” minds to achieve their intellectual nirvana and to present themselves to the world as unsettled, defiant nonconformists is pretty much like denying the hippie subculture decades ago. I’m NOT saying that this applies to all atheists—I’m saying that what JFrater says, that many people decide to go atheist because it is “fashionable,” is completely true.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
There is no historical evidence of the existence of Jesus. Historians require 2 contemporaneous accounts. There are none for Jesus. Josephus was an infant when Jesus was allegedly crucified. There are 2 or more contemporaneous accounts for Alexander, Plato, Shakespeare, etc.
The existence or non-existence of Jesus either way makes no difference to me.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
There are only two stories from the bible to be proven to be 100% true, and that’s the Exodus from Egypt, and the story of Esther.
The exodus (Not the plagues, but the Hebrew people leaving Egypt to the land of Canaan) was proven in the form of cave drawings, discovered when linguists were studying the creation of the alphabet.
The story of Esther was proven with ancient Babylonian writings on stone obelisks that cover Esther, Xerxies (Antiochus in the bible), and Haman.
There is no physical or written proof that Jesus ever existed. Just the Christian bible that was written hundreds of years later.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Q?: This list is slanted to the religious side?? This list has nothing to do with religion! This list is a collection of conspiracy theories that bored, self-righteous, self-proclaimed intellectuals have decided to make into a religious debate. This list is just good old fashioned fun. Affirming or denying the existence of Christ is hardly a religious debate. Anymore than arguing the existence of Napoleon would be. There is an enormous amount of recorded history, beyond just the Bible despite what many of the misinformed keep spouting here, that confirm that yes, the man did exist. We could debate teh existence of many historical figures but we do not for the simple reason that disproving the existence of Jesus would be a big ego-boost to all of the intolerant athiests out there (not all athiests are intolerant. This is just directed at those who are). Arguing whether or not His claims are true is another debate entirely and one without end as we won’t know until we breathe our last breath. So quit being so intolerant and just accept that we don’t all believe the same things. Its ignorant for any man to claim to have all the answers to the questions of the Universe and even more ignorant for him to try and impose them on another person. Sharing your beliefs is one thing. Accusing a person of stupidity because their beliefs differ from yours is another thing entirely and only succeeds in confirming the stupidity and ignorance of the “all-knowing” accuser.
Thanks for being the voice of reason Jfrater. And thanks for the awesome site! I’m really interested in Tesla, how about a list on him? There is a wealth of bizarre facts about him and his theories and inventions.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
SERIOUSLY!!!!!
This comment section is just a rehash of like 20 other lists. As soon as ANYTHING religious is mentioned it starts the same all-out comment war EVERY TIME!
You are NOT going to convince ANYONE to change their beliefs over a bloody comment section. FACT.
I mean there’s already a freakin’ forum to discuss the veracity of Jesus, WHY does it constantly spill over into comment sections?
If you still feel the need, go to the forums and add your two-cents to the hundreds of other comments, maybe YOUR argument is completely original and will convince someone WHO CARES!
Now can we PLEASE, as a society, move on?
September 26th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Hmmm…
Tough choice. Do I believe hordes of scientists and historians? Or, should I believe some crackpots and internet geeks?
Conspiracies are serious business.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Frenchie: Agreed!
September 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
@Frenchie (120): Now can we PLEASE, as a society, move on?
I’m betting you didn’t notice the humorous irony in that statement.
September 26th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
You should look up for another list like the reptilions David Icke talks about. I dont personaly belive it bt its intrasting none the less
September 26th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Religion should be removed from these lists…
September 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I started using AdBlock on Listverse ages ago. JFrater, you can talk about religion all you want, but it’s bad for business.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
http://www.vexen.co.uk/religion/christianity_nojesus.html
or
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com
I dare ya!
September 26th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
@Frenchie (120):
“I mean there’s already a freakin’ forum to discuss the veracity of Jesus, WHY does it constantly spill over into comment sections?”
The reason is because the founder of listverse (jfater) doesn’t seem to want to follow rule number 6 or force others to do it. That’s pretty much why I stopped commenting.
September 26th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
BTW jfrater. Your link to the forums in the “Read Me First” link is broken
September 26th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
@jfrater (44): Please make a list of all of this evidence you keep talking about. I would enjoy reading it.
September 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
The Christ Myth Theory is arguably the least interesting one on this list yet simply because it involves religion everyone has to get their panties in a bunch. This thread could have been much more interesting.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
@42jfrater
“Can you give me proof that Aristotle existed outside of books? How about Plato? Aristophanes? Euripides? Hmm. Shakespeare? No? So none of them must exist.”
just fyi no one is saying they did or did not exist.
and i’m sure everyone could live with them not existing; as them being individuals in completely irrelivent to why they are important. None of them break down if they are actually multiple people – Jesus does
kind of obvious that you are reaching for ground to stand on
September 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
bbones: my point was that we accept the existence of Socrates despite our only evidence for his existence being the writings of Plato. So why are people unwilling to accept the same level of evidence for the existence of Jesus?
September 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
@jfrater (133): I don’t and have never accepted Socrates existence, it appears to me that Socrates is very, (at least in the later works of Plato) very construed from the earlier work thereof. So either Socrates had a significant change in opinions after his death or Plato severely construed the ideas of him.
The evidence of Socrates is spurious at the most.
Besides Socrates didn’t claim to heal the blind, walk on water, or be the son of God. Jesus did. Therefore at least Socrates is more “possible”.
September 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Interesting list. As a bit of a break from the great “Jesus :Fact or Fiction” debate, I’d like to bring up something about HAARP (#5). Most of the things I have heard about HAARP was that it was experimenting with heating the ionosphere to affect the jet stream and thus affect the weather. That is the conspiracy that I hear and see associated with HAARP instead of the idea that it is for causing earthquakes. A recent show on the History Channel called That’s Impossible talked about weather control experiments and possible weaponization of weather control. The drought that hit California in the late 80’s and early 90’s and the odd jet stream at the time and the oddities of the weather patterns associated with Hurricane Katrina were mentioned as possible results of weather control. HAARP and similar ionosphere experiments in Russia were cited in the program. Another conspiracy associated with HAARP is that its an attempt at using high energy radio waves in affecting brain cells and controlling human behavior.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I don’t want too see evidence of god..
It’s the devil that will prove his existence!!
top 10 exorcisms, emily rose type of shit, i saw footage of a gut tied to a chair his eyes sink back n glaze over like a snakes n his foeead starts to crack open, wikid
September 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
If tens of thousands of people had been killed in Socrates’ name, you’d better believe there would be people all over questioning if he ever really lived. The Christian religion is a bane on society, both for the death it has caused in the past (and in many places in the present) and the promotion of total lack of reasoning o behalf of well over 2/3 of American society
September 26th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The word ‘theory’ is a misnomer, as many have been proven to be factual. 9/11 as any mechanical engineer or professor of physics will know, was not caused by a kerosene (jet fuel) and office furniture fire. Tesla knew about ‘zero point energy’ which John Hutchison has utilized in his experiments and which DARPA, NASA, and the Pentagon investigated(the Canadian Government also raided his labs).
HAARP has been manipulating the ionosphere since its inception and has caused shifts in the jet stream and earthquakes. Research, if you really want to wake up to the reality that the mass media doesn’t want you to know!
Tens of thousands of years ago we destroyed ourselves with nuclear weapons, long before the Sumerians existed!!
September 26th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Great list! I’ve heard of most of these, but I’ve never heard 1, 4, or 9. A lot of these are funny, or fun to write fiction about, but they certainly lack factual evidence.
September 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Cripes, the photo for item #7 is like having an ice cold poker inserted in your neck. Yikes!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Nice! That little antichrist baby/man is creepy. The new Loose Change –Loose Change 9/11: An American Coup– is up on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/dabizness916#play/uploads/10/hWCoQxRE58w
September 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
These are actually all true and FlameHorse was paid by the government to write this list to throw us all off.
Nice list FlameHorse I relly enjoyed it.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Spam is not cool kiddo.
September 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
There is a widely known conspiracy going around that Jesus Christ (Homo superioris/member of the Vril Society) was seen at the site of the 9/11 disaster fleeing in an electric car. It’s believed he was behind the destruction of the towers using a particle-beam weapon developed via HARPP research. The towers housed the United States offices of an unnamed and unknown group that was suppressing free energy develpment. There is no evidence though because Bill Clinton (the Antichrist) had him snubbed, the body had been hidden at Area 51 (for a short while) until it was later gotten rid of at the Montauk Project site…so there is no proof to any of this. BUT IT IS ALL ABSOLUTELY TRUE!!!
September 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it”
OK. Then it should be easy to cite several reputable sources.
Go ahead.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Rob (126) / I would have to say “it is good for business.” You are commenting even though you said “I started using AdBlock on Listverse ages ago.” AND
there are a lot of other people making comments as well. Isn’t that what makes it ‘good’ business?
I love reading the debates. I have my opinions, and what I read isn’t going to change how I believe, but it’s fun to see how people get so frustrated trying to make everyone believe their way.
“Can’t we all just get along?” LOL
It’s also interesting how most of the comments are about ONE conspiracy theory mentioned on the list. It’s only a THEORY people!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
@lostatsea1 (138): I was wondering if you´d post on this list… It´s been a while and I know you love conspiracy theories… Nice to see you back!
Flamrhorse: GREAT LIST! Some of these I could believe (like the electric cars) but some of these are just out there! There´s a reason sci fi includes the word “fiction.”
September 26th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Wow!!! Saber25, I bet you still BELIEVE in The Tooth Fairy, The Easter Bunny and Santa Claus!
The Invisible and the non-existent look very much alike!
The Jesus character was merely the invention of writers stuck in the first century. The Jesus story appears to be cut from the same fabric as all other myths and fables.
The inspiration of the Bible depends on the Ignorance of the person who reads it. Read The Acts – Chapter 5 verse 30. There are two accounts of death for Jesus in the Bible!
Religions are what DREAMS are made of.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I definitely believe in the Electric Car conpiracy
September 26th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Great list! I love conspiracies! I do believe that Jesus existed as a man who did some of the things in the bible but I don’t believe he was the son of god or any of that stuff.
Also, as someone said earlier, I think Michael Jackson faked his death to escape his life!
September 26th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Sorry to double post, but I wanted to comment that I also believe in the electric car theory because it makes a lot of sense considering the greed of oil corporations.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
@GTT(147)Thanks for the welcome!!
Sorry for my absence but spare time has been in short supply. I’m afraid that Iran might be attacked soon, which will have devastating effects for us all…hope I’m wrong but my sources are usually reliable!
12-21-2012 is also the end of the Federal Reserve’s mandate…curious…no?
September 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
@saber25 (8): No, I’m a good ol’ fashioned Protestant Christian. I just find these conspiracy theories fascinating. Wish I’d thought of them!
September 26th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Excellent list FlameHorse. Amazing to me what some people will believe, with the most convoluted of evidence, and what others will refuse to believe despite significant evidence and plain common sense. (I don’t necessarily believe Jesus is God or even in God, but to deny his Jesus’ historical veracity? Foolishness.)
@lostatsea1 (148): I sincerely hope that you are wrong. We’ve enough bloodshed in that part of the world already. And welcome back!
September 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
“Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it –”
Nope, there actually isn’t – and the comparison to Aristotle is ridiculous. The article on Wikipedia shows there is evidence – but it’s not reliable and it’s most certainly open to interpretation. You made me laugh with the early fathers mention – you do know when those were written, right? The earliest records we have are dated…40? 70? Depends on the scholar. You think that is reliable? I don’t. Especially not in those times. To recapitulate, we have, at best, second-hand accounts (witnesses of witnesses? o rly?) and a handful of classical authors – the authenticity of which is disputed. The assertion that Jesus isn’t a myth suits most of those who think so, for obvious reasons. Also, the comparison to the evolution/creation debate was really lame – let’s just put it like this – I’ll show you evolution (the process) if you show me Jesus (am accepting first-hand accounts, archaeological evidence, etc.). Jesus is the Loch Ness monster.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Fun list, Jfrater. I see conspiracy theorists not believing in things where there is evidence, but falling for every crackpot idea that comes along. These ideas are fun to read about, but come on.
Could Bill Clinton kill all these people without anybody in the know not opening there mouths in all these years? Vril? It comes from a sci-fi story. Use your brains.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
@JOE BLACKK (91): That’s the kind of comment I live for. Thanks and a tip of the hat. I believe very few conspiracy theories (for a reason this list makes obvious). I ranked them according to how much fun I found them to read. # 1 has always been my very favorite, and once I finish the book I’m working on, I think my next one will be about that.
#2 is fairly new, so far as I can figure out, and man! It’s a good one! Like I said before, I wish I’d thought of it!
September 26th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
@mom424 (150): Thanks.
Thanks to everyone who likes it. You don’t get more fun than conspiracy theories.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
@Nudik (105): You know, he’s in so many, that would be doable. I’ll think about it. JFrater can come up with his own, of course, if he likes. But the ones on this list that mention Tesla are definitely some of the best. They’d have to be repeated.
@ollie (106): Thanks, man! Thanks to everyone who likes it or finds it interesting. When I read the other two, several of my favorites weren’t there, so I knocked this one up. Someone named J said the Antichrist is alive and well, and is a girl he used to date. That’s FUNNY!
September 26th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
@flamehorse: “…and once I finish the book I’m working on, I think my next one will be about that.”
Uhm, you might want to think about that…THEY are watching. You might become MISSING.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
@Spooky (156): *Gasp!* You know what? Bring ‘em on. Bring. them. on.
*looks over his shoulder*
September 26th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Yes Scud47(144) I do not believe in tooth fairies and fairy tales and the big fat read burglar who comes down to take your stuff but I do believe that Christ is not here or he was just made up in the Bible and it is merely an imagination of one’s thinking but it had gained popularity and lots of evidence saying that Jesus DID exist and many of his religion became the followers and passed down through generations. And I knew that but had you even tried to pray? It isn’t about tooth fairies or the easter bunny but your faith in God, it’s all about in faith, if you have that so much faith in you then He is right there with you all the time.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
When will we stop this religion debate, AND historical Jesus debate? Thank you Franchie. You stole that right out of my … er, mouth? Typing finger? Whatever.
Jesus didn’t exist. The same with European never invaded America. White people are born there. Oh, and every histories you learn is a lie too. Everything.
Sorry for the bad English. Not my first language.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Man I wish I still had all my notes, or remembered more details from my “Gospels of Matt, Mark, Luke” class I took in college. We discussed pretty in depth the evidence that a dude, apparently named Jesus, wandered around preaching and had a HUGE following. The miracles, etc may be “flair” added to the story, and he may not have actually been the son of God, but as Jamie’s stated repeatedly, most historical scholars agree that the man himself existed.
For those saying that they want a “non-religious” text as proof…you do realize that most anything that was put down in writing was done so by the church at that time? Normal people couldn’t read, let alone write for the most part, and historical records were kept by church scribes. Repeated transcription & translation does account for some of the variability in the Gospels, btw. An ambitious scribe with an agenda might change a word here or there, then things get lost in translation from Hebrew, to Greek, back to Hebrew, and into Latin then English….
September 26th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
@mom424(152)Also thanks! Yes I hope I’m wrong, but America has encircled Iran and the ‘new enrichment site’ could be the spark!! Of course Russia and China not to mention India would not take kindly to an attack.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Forgot to add; Israel may be used as the aggressor…the christian fundies want their ‘rapture’ which requires armageddon!!
September 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Well this conversation is going around in circles.
Regardless, it’s still a good list.
Everyone has an opinion, they just don’t know how to express it properly or logically.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
@lostatsea1 (164): So glad you showed up. Love to read your posts. I agree with mom424 and hope that those ’sources’ are wrong. *sigh* We don’t need anymore of that kind of crap.
September 26th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
@oouchan(166)Konichiwa
I’m not usually wrong, tensions are high and the economic situation needs a distraction.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15364
The movement of more troops to A’stan and involvement of more NATO forces is worry-some!
September 26th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
9/11 Truth. An American Enigma
A Message to Truth Activists
By Prof Peter Phillips
URL of this article: http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15300
Remember this is what started this mess!!
September 26th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I’m excitedly awaiting the “10 More More Conspiracy Theories”. It could possibly include: Was Kurt Cobains death actually a homicide not a suicide? Were there a 4th and 5th party involved in the Columbine High School shooting? Was AIDS a lab-created virus to wipe out a certain race population or perhaps to control over-population? Is Elvis really working behind the counter at the local 7-11? Did Paul McCarthy really die in an auto-accident and was replaced with a look-a-like? What about the chemtrail theory or contrails behind planes being a biological chemical deliberately sprayed? Is the floridation of water good for your teeth or is there some hidden adgenda behind it? The list goes on and on and on.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Very interesting, especially the one regarding Jesus Christ.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
@Spooky (169): Shit dude, ur blowin’ my mind…
September 26th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
@lostatsea1 (167): Screw that man, we barely have enough for our first 2 wars (which are unnecessary in the first place), if we invade Iran too, I sure as hell ain’t getting drafted. I’ll try and move to Canada, at least they have universal healthcare.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Anybody want to stage a flash mob at montauk?
lets bring this *$%&39 DOWN!
September 26th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
And one more thing. Here is my futile attempt, but at least I know I made an attempt.
Can we please stop debating? All the Christians are saying “blahblahblah Jesus” and all the atheists are saying is “blahblahblah no Jesus” it’s truly annoying. No one is going to change their mind, and your comments are in vain, both sides. Why not congratulate flamehorse on his excellent list? Why not go to a religious themed list and spew your futile arguments all over that? Why contaminate the comments with yet ANOTHER time-wasting, space-wasting argument that will not get anybody anywhere. If your ego is so inflated and so delicate that you MUST argue, do it in the comments for a list that at least pertains to the subject matter. Why have the ENTIRE comment thread consist of a useless argument over 1 solitary list item?
You are all arguing, not debating in a civilized manner. You throw taunts at one another, and do nothing to play your side in any more mature of a manner. So basically, all the atheists and all the Christians who are arguing are doing a piss poor job of gaining any ground for their side. So, considering war was never officially declared in the first place, why not just stop? No evidence that anybody can provide will be accepted. You could post a link to the most die-hard, indisputable evidence that could possibly exist, the one-hitter-quitter for your team, and the other team will grasp at straws until a excuse is snatched up that may sound like it possibly be reasonable under very obscure circumstances… maybe. The point of arguing is to convince the other person you are right. You have all of you of all points of view failed to the most miserable, dismal amount of failure you possibly could have failed to, because guess what? Your opponent doesn’t give a shit what you have to say, and you don’t give a shit what he or she has to say.
And my last rant: Stop picking on JFrater. He is defending his side. You don’t agree? Fine. But throwing little jabs in like “oh yeah you have evidence let’s see it” is just plain stupid, because if he did post evidence you would deny it regardless, as per my last paragraph. And for God’s sake, he’s the site moderator. He made this site so that people could come on here and read interesting and entertaining articles, not so that a bunch of Internet pricks can insult him. I’m sure if he wanted he could have your usernames banned, I mean, it IS his website and he can run it however the hell he pleases. But you know, he puts up with of your naggy immature bullshit, and I know for damn sure I would ban you guys in a heartbeat. It’s possible to disagree in a calm, non-hostile manner. Just show some fucking respect, because without him you guys wouldn’t have a frigging website like this to come and throw up all your useless bullshit on. That’s the same thing as if you walked into my house and crapped on my kitchen floor.
And if anybody disagrees or has a problem with what I just said, the only way I know you can for sure get me to give a shit is track me down, come to my home, and lick my taint.
September 26th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
@ ianz09
I hate to have to say it, but do you really think that anyone that massive post is directed at is going to read the whole thing, much less listen to it? Just as they won’t convince each other, you won’t convince them. I’m not saying that your purpose isn’t noble, its just pointless…
September 26th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
@MahMah (175): I know man. It just makes me feel better to know that I managed to type it. People won’t quit just cause I posted, but it stopped me from having an aneurism, so it wasn’t totally useless.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Exodus is not a proven fact, if you study the actual documented history Egypt there is serious doubt that there were the massive flux of Hebrew slaves as depicted in the bible. Assuming that the enslavement and exodus occurred during the Middle Kingdom, as thought by certain biblical references including the building of two cities for Ramses, there is a plethora of information from that period. None of said information refers to massive amounts of Hebrew slaves or to a mass exodus. Certainly, there is no literature from that time that points to the plagues that supposedly rained down on Egypt that were described in the bible.
The Middle Kingdom of Egypt was a vibrant time in Egyptian culture with many foreign peoples populating the land. Egypt had just recently reclaimed its society from being controlled by foreigners and thus were suspicious. Therefore, they assessed many more taxes on foreigners than on native Egyptians. During this period many cultures relocated, peacefully and staggered. Not in the mass exodus described in the bible. Also, recent evidence suggests that the “slaves” who built the cities and temples were respected artisans and workers. Of course, there were slaves in Egypt, as in most cultures of the time, but not the massive numbers portrayed in the bible. And most certainly not all hebrew.
It is suprising that an empire with such a rich and well documented history would be completely silent on such events as described in the bible. These chapters in the bible were written much later by hebrew priests attempting to make a great and powerful history for their small nomadic tribe. This tale ended with the Hebrews conquering the land of Israel thus giving rise to the myth of a Jewish holy land. This is obviously a story meant to give hope and spirit to people, to show that though they were outnumbered their God would save them
September 26th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
You know what? I’m gonna spark a debate on every new thread for the next week. Religion, politics, whatever else is controversial. Regardless of the actual subject matter of the list, I’ll bet that people will throw fucking fits over the dumbest comment.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I think the Montauk Project conspiracy would make a pretty cool movie.
It seems to me that a lot of conspiracies seem to be wishful thinking from people who want real life to be more like the movies.
September 26th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
When I saw the list item title “The Clinton Body Count”, I immediately thought of something completely different!
September 26th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
@claudy (5): Love conspiracy my husband thinks Michael Jackson faked his death and has run off with all the money from concert ticket sales, to escape his crappy life!
He escaped to the Moon base he built in the late 90’s using rocket fueled by new fuel called “Jesus Juice” (it’s made from plants growing in Mexico). Want proof? Brook Shields, MJ’s closest friend: “We need to look up, where HE IS UNDOUBTEDLY PERCHED ON A CRESCENT MOON, and we need to smile”
September 27th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Weird, I tried to look up more on the Jesus theory, and I found this exact list on a website called garysworld.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:23 am
Yeah I always knew this would be on controversial!
September 27th, 2009 at 1:43 am
As for now I will be God’s lawyer, defense attorney, slayer, guardian, defender etc… So what?! Didn’t he even answer your prayers? what the hell made you believe he isn’t real people? wtf.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:00 am
“no conspiracy theory is more labyrinthine, more convoluted, more encompassing of other conspiracy theories as the Montauk Project” mmm, you’re missing all the crazed 9/11 theories, which are up there with the moon landing ones.
September 27th, 2009 at 3:12 am
@ianz09(172)Canada has been fighting and our troops dying in A’stan since 2002. Our Prime Minister was a Bush man from day 1! You might want to check ‘North American Union’, the ‘Amero’ etc.
‘I never had sex with that woman’ is sort of like Nixons’ ‘I am not a crook’!!
We Canadians can’t understand Americans’ abject fear of a universal health care system! We can choose our own doctors and life threatening ailments are treated with utmost urgency no matter your age. Some procedures do take time when non-emergency but you can also purchase insurance plans that allow you to seek tests at private clinics…in a word, we have ‘choices’ unlike Americans!
I agree that religion is a waste of time and space on listverse, as my prior arguments with ‘Stizzy’ proved! It is simply a method of control!!
Most Presidents have authorized ‘wet work’ by Delta forces or other special ops teams!
Khadafys’ rant at the UN was not that far off the truth!
@astraya(180) haha! The ‘Oral Office’ and BCs’ BJs!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:16 am
@Neil(165)Ever worked with steel Neil? Please explain 220,000 tons of it melting and disintegrating in less than an hour!!
September 27th, 2009 at 3:23 am
@Neil(185)Ever heard of gamma rays? Those suckers fry unshielded film!!(the cameras used had no shielding!)
September 27th, 2009 at 5:23 am
@jfrater
You have cited absolutely zero reputable non-Biblical sources, and no matter how hard you try you’re not going to find any. The jury is very out on whether Jesus existed or not, but you sure think some superhuman, or even a man with millions of followers, would have any, ANY documentation other than a single book made decades to centuries after his alleged death which features nonsense like bread and wine magically proliferating and the world materializing in seven days.
Your bitter conservatism is showing itself more and more in your lists, and it’s really dragging down the quality of your website. I don’t care if you’re politically conservative but when your bias pervades your work it’s disgusting. Your constant comments on how something like global warming, which has more scientific and scholarly backing than the existence of Jesus, just FYI, is ridiculous propaganda, or your awful foot-in-mouth comment on how “it’s fashionable to be an atheist,”(one of the stupidest things I’ve ever heard) need to stay off the site or I’m going to stop visiting.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
@lostatsea1 (187):
You know explanation VERY well, you just choose to believe something else. (Do you melt and disintegrate all butter before using it? Did you know that the density of butter is 911 kg/m3 (look it up) Coincidence?)
September 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
@L(190)And this pertains to what? Some info for you;
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15147
or check ae911truth.org
September 27th, 2009 at 6:32 am
http://www.weboflove.org/education_08/911_questions
September 27th, 2009 at 6:33 am
9/11 – WTC Destruction and the Hutchison Effect – Part 2
September 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Here’s another conspiracy, the Phantom Time Hypothesis (http://www.damninteresting.com/the-phantom-time-hypothesis). It says that the years 614-911 AD never happened and the calendar had the years added by mistake or deliberate falsification.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:36 am
September 27th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Haaving read so far, but without time to pick up the thread since, I’ll make the following suggestions and hope they aren’t repeating others’ reactions.
To shallowly label any inquiry into the profound mystery of existence as -fashionable- is opening up dangerous paths for counter-charges. For example, most adherents of the major cultural religions such as Islam and Catholicism could be said to -wearing- them much as Chairman Mao’s Chinese wore the emblematic blue communist boiler suit. How many have ever thought deeply or considered a range of alternatives with an open mind rather than merely accepting what everyone around them believes and they are brought up to accept as ‘truth’ since babyhood? If religions were merely politically-based we would label their systems as indoctrination or even brainwashing.
Personally, I prefer to call myself a non-believer rather than an atheist anyway. Athesism strikes me as an impossiblity from a human point of view since it literally means the rejection of existence informed by anything that has ever been described as -god- or -gods-, whether personal or impersonal, singular or plural. It does not simply mean the rejection of the extremely limited Christian God concept. It would seem very difficult to observe the world honestly and claim it lacks order and organisation, and then at least fully reject the possibility that there is some force behind that directionality.
Be that as it may, I would also like to propose that whether or not Jesus is real is a pointless argument. Would the Theory of Evolution be any less relevant and real had Darwin been a mythical invention of other scientists of his time, or even of a later century?
Surely the point behind Christianity is its philosophy and the astonishing civilising effect (but please, not uniquely so) it has had upon western civilisation as a whole and on balance.
The charge that Chrisianity was made up by the church to control the masses also strikes me as absurd. Nothing could be further from what are written as the thoughts and ideas of Christ from institutional copntrol. In fact that was exactly what he deplored and preached against. The often vengeful pre-existing God of Judaism would have been quite sufficient. It is that we we see being usurped in -bad- Crusades, by conquistadors and in other forms of physical and intellectual repression conducted by churches over the ages.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:50 am
I understand that your links show great density, but do they explain the density of butter, which is 911 kg/m3? Can you post more than one link per post? Who is responsible for French revolution and collapse of Soviet Union. I think they are related. What powers forced chicken to cross the road?
September 27th, 2009 at 6:56 am
My favorite conspiracy theory is that every secret way, hidden fact, unknown information, or neglected bit of news, intelligence, or fact about any plan, conspiracy, hoax, or cabal, that you think you know, was deliberately put in your path to mislead you from the truth. And it’s working!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Based on the evidence I see (not without its bias, but fairly objective), the name “Jesus” is still damn powerful.
If anything presented in the list should be messing our hair, it’s the Electric Car. But instead, Jesus is getting most of the attention.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Out of every piece of fiction with conspiracy theories, at least one of those are right, the laws of probability never lie!
September 27th, 2009 at 7:41 am
This sort of comment thread is precisely why I don’t make a ton of comments. You can always deal with, laugh at, or even agree with the ones that say, “I can’t believe you didn’t mention…”, but anything that even mentions religion turns into the same old tired debate. This is a subjective list about conspiracy theories. Subjective. If you are going to take offense at an entry then you should seriously rethink your priorities in life.
But just for the record, atheisim is neither a “religion”, as some would claim, and it certainly isn’t a fashion statement.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Lets all attack religion to be edgy and cool woo hoo
September 27th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Great list… but the extremist nutjobs in this comment thread are ruining the list. If you want to argue about Jesus’ existence do it rationally and not through extreme viewpoints!
Just because the bible (created from gospels centuries after Jesus’ life I believe… correct me if wrong) states that he did miracles doesn’t mean that he did! But this does not disprove his existence, only that he was ‘god-sized’ through literature. This happens a lot with historical figures. Furthermore, the evidence we have of Jesus is much the same as the evidence we have of Socrates and other historical figures.
On the other hand, Jesus’s existence is NOT linked to Christianity and the Catholic Church. You can’t define someone’s existence by the organisations that sprung up after his life.
Indeed, he could’ve been a brilliant, walking, talking man, but then, these organisations sprung up to worship him and now some of you atheists deny his existence flatout.
Christ does not always have to = Church and religion.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:45 am
#189 @Graham, I’m a liberal, and I say you suck.
kthxbai
September 27th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I think the Obama Birth Conspiracy should appear on the next list.
September 27th, 2009 at 8:51 am
@Graham (189): Well that’s a humongous loss. I’m about to start a movement to prevent myself from being lumped in with idiots waving the liberal flag. It will be… Liberals for Listverse! We’ll call ourselves Libversers! I am a proud LIbverser, who is with me?!
September 27th, 2009 at 9:04 am
@lostatsea1 (186): Yeah, I hope I don’t sound ignorant, it’s just that here in America we only get coverage of our guys, so sometimes I forget that other countries got sucked into the shitstorm as well. And hopefully Canada will not invade Iran as well, I need me some healthcare. And I have no idea why people are so afraid of it, it’s hardly a bad thing. Even Jimmy Carter spoke up and said he believes that opposition has its roots in racism. I wouldn’t doubt that, truthfully. Nothin’ like good ol’ ‘Merica.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:06 am
i WILL COME UPON YOU FOR FINDING OUT THE TRUTH ABOUT MY CHILD
666
September 27th, 2009 at 9:09 am
@lostatsea1 (150):
‘Sorry for my absence but spare time has been in short supply. I’m afraid that Iran might be attacked soon, which will have devastating effects for us all…hope I’m wrong but my sources are usually reliable!’
I honestly have no idea whether or not your being sarcastic?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:19 am
About the Triple-Helix list, i have some hitherto undisclosed information which, unfortunately i cannot translate into english. but as a good gesture ..here goes,
Tronketh jais nekrapahakmen nevaith Bhaath. Nuhuk lenzes naart fryshar du jais Prakh. Krendour ahkarazar nedushua harken Mar. Heezu Mkeor du raizenn lei farahk Lhaan…..
And it goes on.. enough to get a clue, sounds familiar?
September 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
A proof of Jesus, Id say, is his presence in the Holy books of 3 different religions. Yep, 3 Religions who don’t see eye to eye agree on him & think he was a great person. In Islam, he is considered to be one of the highest ranked prophets, in Christianity, he is the founder & in Judaism, he is accepted.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
@ Liberal (204)
I would greatly enjoy that, over half of my immediate family demand that he hand over his birth certificate. I shoul also note that ove half of my immediate family are idiots
September 27th, 2009 at 10:14 am
To those who do not believe that Jesus existed you should stop writing the date:-) Everytime you do you are confirming that He existed!!!!
September 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am
There seems to be a lot of antigraham reaction here. Here’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.
Overall this site is a remarkable and praiseworthy achievement, a credit to its owner.
However, I quite agree with Graham about insulting other people’s sincerely-held opinions. It’s one thing to attack a snide individual for an unacceptable comment on behalf of some -ism-, but quite another to sneer at everyone who holds to that -ism-, in this case atheists. Frankly I personally strongly resent some of the present pope’s attitudes towards we secular people, but wouldn’t dream of tarring the whole Catholic community with my anti-pope brush.
I also happen to agree with Graham about the so-called global warming issue.
Of course site-owners have every right to do and say as they please, and pour in whatever quantity of personal bias satisfies them. Whether it is wise or sensible to do so in the case of controversial subjects is another matter entirely.
September 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
why do we spend so long looking for the facts they hide, if we look at the facts they don’t we will be just as shocked
September 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Wether Jesus as a true historical figure is debated among scholars but even if he was real I doubt he was all that current believers make him out to be. In order to compete and gain followers, the ancient church borrowed aspects from god-men from other faiths. If Jesus was real, he was probably just a jewish mystic , son of God the same manner we are all children of God, and his mother probably wasn’t a virgin at all.
September 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Getting off the religion debate for a moment – #10 states “Another fact is that the FAA has confirmed that no air routes go over or anywhere near Area 51, by direct order from the USAF.”
The FAA may have confirmed it, but they lie. There is an air route that goes directly to Area 51 – Janet Airlines. I see these planes coming and going from McCarran every day, and they do use the call sign “Janet.”
September 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
@kirstenl4w (217): the FAA has confirmed that no air routes go over or anywhere near Area 51, by direct order from the USAF…The FAA may have confirmed it, but they lie. There is an air route that goes directly to Area 51 – Janet Airlines
They are probably referring to commercial air routes. But the point of the statement was that the Gov’t referring to Area 51 by name (which probably isn’t exactly how the order was worded) pretty much acknowledged the existence of the base when it was still just a rumor to the general public (before the days of Google Earth).
September 27th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Hmmmm is it just me or did anyone else think this was a very poorly written and biased list? I didn’t enjoy it at all.
And @saber25 : dude seriously stop with the stupid, unneccesary comments, you’re ruining it for everyone else. Go away!
September 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Awesome list!
September 27th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
lol, @ Area 51. Anyone ever heard of the underground base in Dulce, New Mexico? If you read up about a man by the name of Philip Schneider, he has a very interesting story to tell.
September 27th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
The arrogance of the ‘no proof outside the bible’ shouters is matched only by their ignorance. I’m not a christian, btw. When I read things like ‘I believe there is no proof’ (you believe ?); the bible was written 1-2 centuries after Jesus; fabrication; no historic evidence, etc., I shake my head at such proudfully displayed stupidity.
Before understanding what the words historic evidence and bible actually refer to, please don’t confuse innocent readers with baseless opinions. Without knowing about the different branches of the jewish sect later called christians, and understanding their influence on the texts about Jesus of before 150 AD, there’s no way your opinion could carry any weight.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
@Peter (222): Thank you. Whether you believe he was the divine son of God or a regular ol’ flesh-n-blood like the rest of us, you really sound ignorant when you say that he didn’t exist. You aren’t a religious zealot if you admit he existed, your just admitting that there was a figure in history named Jesus who was alive. Ignorance is bliss, which is why all the pissed-off atheists confuse me.
September 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Lots of babble from all sides, but I have yet to see a single scholarly proof of the existence of Jesus of Nazareth. Pick on people’s attitudes, tone, arrogance, typographical errors…whatever. But you’d think it would be relatively easy to provide scholarly, historical proof.
I’ll wait.
September 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
BEST LIST EVER!!!
and i have read a lot of lists.. probably all of them on this site… its a great site!
THANK YOU!! to everyone who helps contribute. Thank you to all who voice their opinion, isn’t the internet great? i guess thank you to al gore for inventing it.. ha!!
Great #1 i had never heard of it.. i wonder if anyone will respond to this post? no one has ever responded to anythign i post.. owell
i guess i’m boring.
Have a great life everyone!!
September 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
And Jesus exists! and so does the Blessed Virgin Mary.. take care y’all
September 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
@Maggot(218)Can’t resist a conspiracy eh! I know I can’t!!
It’s hard …not to at least try to educate at least one to the lies!! Jesus give me a break!! There were beliefs long before HE came into the picture…get over it already!! So many more important things to mangle our minds without religion…or lack of it!! It has always been a form of mind control…divide and conquer…an old adage that still holds true.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
@ Jade724 (213)
For AT LEAST 2 (probably more) years now, many people have begun referring to the times not as BC and AD, t as BCE (Before Common Era) and CE (Common Era)
@ ianz09
Ignorance is the farthest thing from bliss. We are human specifically because we have the ability to reason,and as humans, it is our duty to reason at every oppurtunity. Thus, blindly acceptng something with no evidence defeats the entire purpose of being human.
September 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
@teacherguy2003 (225): Have a great life? You’re not depressed or anything are ya? I love ya, man! Glad ya enjoyed the list!
September 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Interesting to note that of all the absurd things suggested by these conspiracy theories, it’s the existence of Jesus that stirs the most debate. Funny how a guy who supposedly didn’t exist can still have such an impact 2000 years later…
I love the Montauk Project. Read lots about that one before. Don’t believe it for a second, but it would make a great movie.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am
“the fact that almost every Arab nation seems to be threatening an invasion of Israel at every second” A fact?! just plain silliness
September 28th, 2009 at 2:10 am
So I’ve been coming to this site for probably almost a year now, and this is my first time commenting. I just have to get my two cents in too.
As I was reading this I kept highlighting the comments I liked so I could go back and remember which ones I agreed or disagreed with…but there was way to many. lol.
However I think my favorite is from MahMah (228): “Ignorance is the farthest thing from bliss. We are human specifically because we have the ability to reason,and as humans, it is our duty to reason at every opportunity. Thus, blindly accepting something with no evidence defeats the entire purpose of being human.”
This is the very reason that I neither believe or disbelieve anything until I see or experience it for myself. Whenever I debate with people, whether I share the same opinion or not, I always play devil’s advocate just to allow them to at least listen to both sides. As for this debate, both sides have good and bad arguments, but ultimately it’s not who’s side is right or wrong, it’s who chooses to accept both of them as possibilities, because none of us can say we know 100% it’s one way or another. We weren’t there, therefore, it can not be proven.
Last but not least…who cares if he existed or not.
“What a man was 2000 years ago, means nothing at all to me today.” -Live
September 28th, 2009 at 2:31 am
“Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it”
Such as?
STFU there’s absolutely NO records of some Jesus guy in any other thing than the bible.
Stupid believer
Religion is EVIL
September 28th, 2009 at 3:36 am
@ jFrates (75):
Plato is NOT the only evidence of Socrates. Xenophon, Aristophanes and Plato are our sources on Socrates. Aristotle is our fourth source – although we know that he did not meet Socrates which makes the source.. doubtful.
@ Peter (222): Amen, brother.
@ get a clue (224): Seen Zeitgeist much?
Josephus and Tacitus both mention the historical Jesus. Neither of them are Christians.
Do you deny the Persian War as well? Our only proof for that is Herodotos. Without Herodotos we have to rely on far more uncertain sources (and even Herodotos was a frequent liar). There just is not any reason what so ever to doubt either the Persian War nor the historicity of Jesus.
@ All the denier of the historical Jesus
There ARE secular evidence of the historicity of Jesus. We are pretty certain he existed. We are NOT however, certain that he was the son of God. This sort of nonsense (denying his historicity) makes me think that the religious crowd and atheist crowd share a common denominator – idiots who rely on blind faith.
Not even st Augustine and Thomas of Aquino relies that much on faith.
September 28th, 2009 at 3:49 am
@Jfrater 75
“As I said before, to deny that is the same as the revisionists who deny the holocaust happened. It suits them to deny it so they do – in the face of enormous evidence to the contrary.”
This statement just made me loose a lot of respect for a site that I’ve always really enjoyed. To compare someone who doesn’t believe in the existence of Jesus to a revisionist is, well, upsetting.
From what I can tell revisionists are more often than not denying history (and in this case recent history!) for racist reasons.
People denying the existence of Jesus full stop are admittedly slightly ignorant (perhaps!) as there is a lot of evidence that he was around. Presumably some are arguing about his status as the son of god rather than just his existence and if you have any proof he was a miracle working deity then please do let us all know what it is.
But I don’t think the comparison you made was a fair one. I haven’t read all the comments so this may have been said but I was made so angry by this comment (from someone who I have come to see as so reasonable and fair) that I had to comment.
To clarify (I hope) I don’t believe that the people denying the existence of YOUR saviour have @Jfrater 75
“As I said before, to deny that is the same as the revisionists who deny the holocaust happened. It suits them to deny it so they do – in the face of enormous evidence to the contrary.”
This statement just made me loose a lot of respect for a site that I’ve always really enjoyed. To compare someone who doesn’t believe in the existence of Jesus to a revisionist is, well, upsetting.
From what I can tell revisionists are more often than not denying history (and in this case recent history!) for racist reasons.
People denying the existence of Jesus full stop are admittedly slightly ignorant (perhaps!) as there is a lot of evidence that he was around. Presumably some are arguing about his status as the son of god rather than just his existence and if you have any proof he was a miracle working deity then please do let us all know what it is.
But I don’t think the comparison you made was a fair one. I haven’t read all the comments so this may have been said but I was made so angry by this comment (from someone who I have come to see as so reasonable and fair) that I had to comment.
To clarify (I hope) I don’t believe that the people denying the existence of YOUR saviour have Machiavellian motives especially not in league with the anti-Zionist neo-Nazis that spout that hurtful revisionist nonsense.
September 28th, 2009 at 3:50 am
What happened there. I’m not sure it was worth sating twice :0)
September 28th, 2009 at 5:03 am
I believe the one about free energy and the electric car. I really do.
But I always find it doubtful when Jesus is mentioned as someone who taught love and forgiveness, when in fact, he really didn’t like it when people didn’t agree with him and even got pretty angry because of it. Or fig trees… he also got angry at fig trees. And he must be pissed at the Church for everything its done in his name. (No offense intended to believers, btw. Respect.)
The Middle Way is the right way.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:54 am
Currently knocking up another conspiracy list. You’ll like it.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Why is a list about conspiracies creating so much controversy??? Just read the list and relax. Its a good list by the way. I didnt know about a lot of them.
September 28th, 2009 at 6:05 am
The reasoning behind the Christ-myth is faulty. There is no verifiable evidence to show that Jesus EVER existed. The closest corollary found in written accounts by contemporary historians is Yeshua di Notzri, who existed in roughly 150 B.C.(i believe). He was crucified upside down on a tree, and had no miraculous powers. He also had little to do with preaching a new religion.
The only historians who say Jesus existed are those who are already predisposed to believing he did exist. All contemporary historians of Jesus’ time make no mention of him, or even of an insane man who went around claiming to be the son of god who was put to death. I love the website through and through, but stating biblical fiction as history or fact is just irritating beyond belief.
If you look at the facts yourself, it’s not really that hard to figure out. Look up a list of scholars/historians that existed in Jesus’ supposed time frame(about 15 bc-35 a.d. is the stretch I believe). Not a single one mentions him. The first person to mention him is Josephus(50-100 years after his life), and that account has been proven a forgery. Fact checking isn’t that hard.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Loved reading these! Thanks. Question about #8. If the Roman Catholic Church made up the story of Jesus, who was this group of Roman Catholics? If the big-J wasn’t there to start the church, did a group form at that time and said, “hey, let’s call ourselves the Roman Catholic Church and create a son of god to legitimize ourselves?”
Thanks
September 28th, 2009 at 7:35 am
there was no roman catholic church in very early 3rd Century AD or late 2nd Century. the churches divided in 1054.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:36 am
Very nice list! For #1 the movie is Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, though. I’m just picky because it’s one of my favorites.
September 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am
@ 243
I think i know you…
September 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
@Barold (235):
I think J´s point was specifically aimed at people who deny the historical existance of a man named Jesus. Whether he was the son of God, or performed miracles is not what is in discussion here.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Antichrist theory and Jesus a different species ties in with the above. Otherwise an interesting list-particularly the conspiracy behind the electric car and Tesla’s free energy. Another question that begs to be asked-why have we continued to forget the existence of the steam car-which was expected in it’s day to be far more successful than the internal combustion engine? Steam cars were just getting off the ground in the 20’s as highly efficient and very powerful vehicles, but lost the race with Ford’s Model T production. Imagine what we could have done with 80 years of improvements to a car that essentially ran on water.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Nice list. Where the hell did you find that picture from #7? Kinda creepy, but I couldn’t stop laughing at it. It looks like Dr. Evil when he was a baby. #2 sounds like the explination of the mutant powers like in the X-men. Maybe Stan Lee got some of his ideas from that?
September 28th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Tacitus only mentioned Nero’s hatred of Christians, not quite a historical account of Jesus.
By the way any modern translation of someone named Jesus existing back in the day means that they translated the ancient form of “Joshua”.
Going by that theory, anyone researching modern times would merely need to stumble across one high school year book from Los Angeles and find at least a dozen Jesus, and any of them could theoretically be regarded as the second coming.
Don’t argue with holey logic.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Plenty of historical evidence that Jesus existed? Really? Pray tell what evidence is that?
While I don’t doubt that Jesus was a real man who lived, preached and was unjustly executed in Judea of the 1st century, that actual evidence for his existence is rather sparse, adequate, but sparse.
September 28th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Sorry to repost so quickly, but I just looked up #1 out of curiosity and realized that I live near a similar facility. (Look up Mount Umunhum: Almaden Air Force Base if your intrested). The Almaden Site is very similar to the Montaku site. The Almaden Air Force base is off limits as well and it’s on a very remote mountain that can be seen from all over, the only thing that helps identify it is a large concrete block that sits at the top. That block was actually the base to one of the large radar sails like the one at Montaku. I have actually been up there this past summer and it’s a very though hike since it’s on a mountain. Anyways, it’s fenced off and there are cameras, but you can still get inside at your own risk. All of these early warning radar sites were shut down in the early 80’s and the bases were just left to decay. There’s really nothing up there other than a ton of old buildings with asbestos and lead paint, which is primarily why they don’t want people up there. There’s also a bunch of antenna sites for communications and stuff. The point of all this is that I’m sure Montaku is really no different.
The locked door even exists at the Almaden Base. It’s just the entrance into the radar tower (if the one described above at Montaku is located on the radar tower itself) which is about 5 to six stories tall. The one at the Alamden Base is welded shut. At one time you used to be able to get in there, but it’s VERY dangerous inside. The floors are all decayed and rotten so you can imagine the trouble a curious hiker can get into after falling 5 or 6 stories through a broken floor.
Basically, these sites exist and they are mysterious but there’s no real conspiracy, they’re just really dangerous to go exploring like any other abandoned building so the government makes them off limits. Besides, cleanup cost a few million dollars. Local Urban legends do exist around this site too. Since this it’s very close to the Santa Cruz Mountains Mystery Spot, people say that experimental testing and alien artifacts that exist up there are the cause for the wierd happenings at the mystery spot.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:43 am
@flamehorse (238): Damn, already? We aren’t done bitching and arguing over THIS one though!
September 28th, 2009 at 11:21 am
*Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
The theory on the supression of Free Energy is positively fascinating.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:43 am
@Alencon (249): At least I was harsh when I said there was plenty of evidence. What I meant was that there was an adequate amount of evidence to conclude that there was such a person. When it comes to measuring the quantity of evidence for a thing you have to talk about relatives. Being mentioned in a couple of sources without any proof what so ever that he was fictional is “plenty” relative to the amount of sources we have from that era. As I said earlier – if we aren’t allowed to use Herodotos, our evidence for the Greco-Persian wars are.. sparse.
If we aren’t allowed to use any of the sources that aren’t contemporary to a given person – we’ll have huge problems.
Then we’ll have to doubt pretty much all philosophic thinking before Plato.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:46 am
@ianz09 (251): Well, JF can post it when he thinks the time’s right. I just find these REALLY good stuff, man! I had no idea the Jesus/no Jesus war I was gonna touch off. I promise ya though, the next list has a few occurrences of another guy, and you can expect some FUNNNN arguments about that one!
September 28th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
@flamehorse (254): Oh I loved the list. I had heard of the Montauk project before, good stuff. There’s just been so much arguing over religion lately, it’s hurting my head. Now I’m curious to see firestorm your next list will start! Keep it up though, well written stuff, and a fun read.
September 28th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I like to know what physical evidence their is for Jesus existing.
I’m not conspiracy theorist and I have no issues with Christians, I just always hear how there’s SO MUCH EVIDENCE yet when I ask “Ok, tell me about it” I get “uhh… well… uhh… there’s evidence! Yep, there is!”. So, what’s this evidence?
PS: if some cooky Christian pops up with a “I believe/I feel” comment as proof I’ll just ignore it. Every person with a faith, no matter what faith, feels its real and has supposed experiences that prove it. You cannot use feelings as evidence as they can be easily created by a informing the brain something is real even if it isn’t (take the placebo effect or false memories as two examples of tricking the brain).
September 28th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
That was really fun to read, thanks, and good job flamehorse!
September 28th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Regarding Roswell: I was talking to a gentleman who once held a very lofty position in this country (won’t mention names, but he has his own Wikipedia site). It was the day after his son’s wedding, and he had a few too many. We discussed Roswell and he admitted seeing never-released documents proving it was indeed a weather balloon. Not sure if he would have relinguished that information sober.
September 28th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
@cally05 (257): You’re welcome.:)
September 28th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
“Despite all of the HISTORICAL PROOF that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it ”
Give me one, please.
September 28th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
There is, iirc, a hell of a lot more evidence for Bigfoot than Jesus. And the evidence for Bigfoot isn’t exactly conclusive itself…
Also, Jesus was emphatic the world would end during his audience’s lifetime (he mentions it repeatedly). Since this obviously didn’t happen, even if he did exist he wasn’t what he claimed to be…
September 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I’m sure there’s plenty of proof that some dude named JESUS existed. I think the ‘conspiracy’ is more ‘yea he’s not holy and not the son of god’ angle as oppose to ‘NOPE no one EVER lived named ‘Jesus’.
because Jesus as a religious icon IS very very similar to religions that came before christianity (just as THOSE previous religions were built upon religions before them and so on and so forth.)
September 28th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
NICE PICTURE OF A SPAZZY LOOKIGN HILARIOUS ANTICHRIST BABY
September 28th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Libby you mong, here it is, just above this one.
September 28th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Great news! Jesus is alive and well and commenting under “Bizarre medical treatments”. A post on an internet chat forum ought to be enough proof to silence the doubters for ever.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
This post is brought to you by JESUS HIMSELF. Jesus fully endorses all comments by astraya. This is all. Thankyou and goodnight.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
@jesus (266): Jesus fully endorses all comments by astraya.
Conspiracy theorists’ elusive 13th Apostle?
September 28th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
@Grow (260): The proof has already been posted. Josephus and Tacitus both mention him.
@G (256): You want physical evidence? As in archeological evidence? Seriously? You’re discarding the scientific subject of History?
@Tron (262): Yup, it’s the son of God part that is the problem/question. Some people fail to realize it after consuming way to much lies i.e. Zeitgeist.
September 28th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
@Titanis (261): Where does Jesus state that? Is it at all possible that the end of the world is the metaphor for death itself as death is the end for the individual?
September 29th, 2009 at 1:42 am
@ GTT (245) Whether “J’s” point was about people believing in the man Jesus or the son of god Jesus still does not justify comparing either group to Holocaust deniers because, as anyone who has read these forums when a revisionist debate kicks off will have experienced, they use their ludicrous beliefs to push a racist agenda. Sorry if I didn’t make that clear.
I would point out however that although this did annoy me, I still love the site and was just a little shocked that he said something so unfair when he’s usually very balanced.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:06 am
I just wanted to say…. I think jfrater is right in saying that you only deny Christ’s existence because it suits you to believe so. You want to believe everything against Christianity because you yourself are against Christianity, but that doesn’t mean you should deny the historical evidence noted above.
Those of you who are asking for non-religious texts about Jesus- you are retarded. Not many people had the luxury of even knowing how to write or spell and if they did, they certainly didn’t use it for diaries or fun stories, they used it for religious/census purposes. This is how they prove the existence of EVERYONE before the rise of the internet- through birth, death, marriage, and religious texts that record such things. If you are denying that Christ exists purely because he is only mentioned in religious scriptures, then you are denying the fact that ANYONE existed, because there were basically no non-religious texts. It is only recently that people have found the time to be bored enough to do things for themselves and for fun, so no, no one had the freetime back then to make up this stuff.
Jfrater- I have more respect for you after reading what all you have said on these comments. It makes me feel good that I’m not the only believer left, lol.
September 29th, 2009 at 4:23 am
@Laura (271) Those who don’t believe in Christ (man or deity) deny it because it suits them just as you support his existence because it suits you. That is just the way of the world. And those that don’t believe get angry at the ‘naivity’ of belivers and want to convince them and vice versa. They’re doing the same as you just from the other side of an arguement.
It’s really evidence that Jesus was the son of God that is needed…. and lacking!!
And people have been telling ‘fun stories’ since they have been capable and it’s safe to say people wrote down these ‘fun stories’ when they could, too. Not everyone who could write in the entire history of mankind was a Christian!!
September 29th, 2009 at 5:39 am
interesting…
September 29th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Goodness, I had no idea this was so bad! People are pretty touchy about their Jesus in the mornin…before they have their lattes.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:47 am
number 8 is stupid. there is plenty of proof that jesus existed, sure. but none that walked on water, healed the sick or any of his supposed actions.
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September 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
What evidence that Jesus existed? There is absolutely no historical evidence (and you can’t count the Bible as evidence) that he existed. None. Not a scrap.
September 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Oh, and in response to Laura’s retarded post: Most Romans could read and write and were obsessive record keepers. There would most likely have been records of his “trial” and execution had he existed.
September 29th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
@flamehorse(274) A possible million Iraquis murdered and GOD knows how many Afghanis and you argue about someone who may have existed 2,000 yrs ago!!! The noose is now around Iran and you wonder why America is not loved? Perhaps you need to read your bible ‘what ye sow shall ye reap’!! Spread death and destruction…what do you expect??
ISIS-RA-EL came about by the funding of Hitler by the Rothschields and others who saw the Armagedon as an excellent way to entice the fundies with the rapture that can only happen with a cataclysm in Megido where GOG and MAGOG will be destroyed.
There was an excellent quote ‘may we live in interesting times’ well we’re here!! Time to rethink 9/11..no?
September 29th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
@laura(271) Please do not think that I deny anyone their faith, however I do implore you to remember that the history you were taught is based on falsehoods..the history of humanity is much older and if one delves into the truly ancient myths and legends of our earliest peoples of Asia and Africa to even begin to grasp what has been hidden and distorted.
The ancients knew our solar system and most probably had knowledge of nuclear power and anti-gravity…we screwed up then and seems like we are only repeating this mistake now!!
I’m watching Jay Leno asking college students simple questions…well…what can I say about the education system of America…really sad!
September 29th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
I’m curious on #8 where you say “Despite all of the historical proof that Jesus did exist – and there is plenty of it”. What historical proof? The bible was written many years after the events, and not (believed to actually be written) by the the people they are named after, some of the writings of Josephus have be proven to be fake, and even if his writings on Christ were accurate he wasn’t even alive during Christ’s life. So I’m curious to what your labeling “historical proof”?
September 30th, 2009 at 5:46 am
@lostatsea1 (279): No fair quoting a Book you couldn’t care less about in reference to present-day events.
September 30th, 2009 at 5:57 am
The jesus arguments get pretty old, why can’t people just agree to disagree? Why does everyone feel the need to tell everybody else of their personal beliefs then argue the shit out of others?
Debate is great but why does a list compel everyone to fall into the same cycle over and over again?
Anyways interesting list conspiracies are funny, some believable, some not so much. But then again truth is sometimes stranger than fiction.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:28 am
@lostatsea1 (280):
‘The ancients knew our solar system and most probably had knowledge of nuclear power and anti-gravity…we screwed up then and seems like we are only repeating this mistake now!!’
……What?
September 30th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Thanks for the list, I needed a good laugh. Three conspiracy theories about Jesus, and not a single reference to the JFK shooting? This actually gave me an idea, I think I might make a version of the bible to be read like a conspiracy theory. You have the plot planned up by Satan, then involves influence of the Pharisees, and the assassination of Jesus! I smell movie… I’m calling Michael Bay right now!
September 30th, 2009 at 10:58 am
@Gauldar (285): JFK’s assassination is on another conspiracy theories list. There are three of these, now. Check em out.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:10 am
@flamehorse (286):
Ahh, got’cha, I must have skimmed the intro and missed the links, and went right into the list like I usually do. Thanks. I have a friend who was raised in Poland but didn’t care for her religious upbringing, but holds into the Jesus was an alien idea… while I sigh and roll my eyes. Oh well, wouldn’t be the first time that someone has used someone else’s belief to prop up their own before.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I knw it Jesus was a X Men, also use the Gamma radiation power to came back to life and move the giant Rock.
There its evidence about Jesus, actually there its even a letter where he explain to a king that he was the son of god and all those things.
September 30th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I am not saying i think he was not human and that he was god, he just say that in the letter
October 1st, 2009 at 8:07 am
*A documentary in 2006, “Who Killed the Electric Car?” fueled the fire that if the technology is documented to have existed as early as the 1830s, why did it appear to hits its peak at the turn of the 20th Century, and then decline? Why are we still waiting for electric cars? Edison patented one in 1913. All the electrical pioneers of that time tinkered with the idea, and plenty of reasonable examples were produced.*
yes, and the ancients had a steam engine, too: why didn’t they make use of it? It must have been a conspiracy!
There is good reason why the electric car has taken, as it were, `taken off’: it’s completely stupid.
First, battery technology as it exists today cannot even manage to get a motor vehicle – a very small vehicle such as the Prius – much beyond 80 kmh. Then, you must wait, what is it? – 12 hours to recharge the battery.
Yeah, that’s functional.
Second, it is far from clear that the use of electric vehicles would reduce hydrocarbons in the atmosphere (whether these hydrocarbons are actually contributing to the global warming that seems to be no longer happening, I’ll leave to another day…).
If, say, even half the current stock of automobiles were converted even to hybrids (ie. combo of battery and internal combustion power), let alone full-battery autos, the demand for power on electric grids would go up exponentially. Where does this power come from? In the developed world – in fact, all of the world where there is any industrial capacity whatsoever – it comes from sources that release hydrocarbons into the atmosphere (such as coal) or if not, from sources that have been declared off-limits by the same environmentalists who’ve been touting g-w hysteria (ie. nuclear).
Third, `who killed the electric car?’.
General Motors cannot even get people to BUY their cars; how is that they are going to be able to `kill’ electric cars? They `killed’ their own line of electric cars for the good reason that they were a money sink: and, as you know, money is one thing that GM doesn’t have – and hasn’t for a long long time.
Hollywood stars are not a very big demographic, as you can imagine.
Toyoto wouldn’t even produce its own hybrid car if it weren’t for the money it makes from its SVU line.
No one killed the electric car; in fact, what is occurring that is that this technology has been kept on artificial life support when in reality, it deserves to die.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:22 am
@jfrater (131): I give you props jfrater. For running a website like this and putting up with insanely ridiculous arguments and trying to make people see common sense after they’ve clearly proven to everybody that they’re just people trying to sound intelligent and failing miserably. I read about halfway down this list and was laughing the whole way. You seem to be the only one that has any sort of common sense or intellegence here (apologies to peoples posts I haven’t read). I read listverse every day and every day it’s the same nonsense – especially if it has anything to do with something that might be remotely controversial. I can never quite bring myself to comment because of all the ridiculousness but this list . . . and the comments . . . I just couldn’t stop myself from.
And to everybody else, if you can’t debate a topic without calling the other party idiots, assholes, etc. Then obviously you probably have no idea what your talking about and even if you did you’ve discredited everything you’ve said and made people not want to listen to anything you have to say. Stop quoting your neighbor or the guy down the street about facts that aren’t true and try studying actual scholarly works.
October 1st, 2009 at 8:29 am
@flamehorse (286): and fyi nice list!
October 1st, 2009 at 9:25 am
Ummm Marilyn Monroe’s death?
I mean FBI, Kennedys, and the blonde bombshell all make up a pretty damn good conspiracy.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:09 am
@WhiteDragon (292): Thankee, Dragomeister.
October 1st, 2009 at 2:07 pm
@Barold (270): I think the point that was made is that no one doubted the existance of a historical Jesus (forget the God part) until quite recently. And now the people who refuse to admit that there might have been an actual PERSON are usually pushing their own agenda (they fell that anyone who holds any type of faith is a deluded, brain washed fool, or else, religion is EVIL).
Much like Holocaust deniers are pushing their own (racist) agenda.
October 2nd, 2009 at 9:03 pm
I challenge anyone to provide evidence of jesus’ existence.
The ONLY thing even close to evidence is a book with an unknown authorship written almost a full lifetime after the events supposedly took place, followed by 2 claims (which are highly suspected to have been altered by the fifth century), which make a passing argument that he existed, well over a lifetime later…(with them ONLY being classed as evidence from the fifth century and not ever before that….hmm)
The early church makes no claim of a physical jesus,nor does its early church advocates, the gospels (again with no known authorship) are extemely contradicting, especially in dates, and EVEN IF we were to add up all this so called ‘evidence’ outside of the gospels,it would add to nothing more than a paragraph or two.
and thats the evidence we have for the savior of mankind? or a man who ascended to heaven?
give me a break! theres as much evidence for krishna as there is for this guy.
October 6th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
You say: “It is a verifiable fact that the human land speed record was set in 1899 at 65 mph by an electric car. Steam and gasoline-powered automobiles could not achieve this for another 20 to 25 years.”
How can that be?
In 1902 Leon Serpollet set a land speed record (LSR)of 75.06 mph in a steam car and then W.K. Vanderbilt set a LSR of 77.08 mph in a gasoline-powered Mors. Henry Ford raised the LSR to 91.37 mph in 1904 and later that year the LSR was over 100 mph.
By the end of the 25 years mentioned above, the LSR was 146 mph.
October 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
What about the Kennedys killing Marilyn Monroe?
October 27th, 2009 at 12:24 am
http://www.teslamotors.com/
October 27th, 2009 at 5:14 am
All of these are pretty good, except for the Jesus one. Theres almost no proof that he existed in real life.
October 27th, 2009 at 5:22 am
hahahaha, I love that you have “historical proof” that Jesus really existed. This list is dumb. Everything on it is false in some way (not just the conspiracies) but your “reporting” is false and misleading. Why don’t you learn some facts?
October 27th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Oh and FlameHorse just a piece of advice, if you’re attempting to write for large groups of people, I’d keep personal beliefs out of it unless its for a specific religious group. Not everybody believes what you do and claiming that your beliefs are right might piss some people off.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
I think that people are all just pawns in the ultimate game of idiot chess. I mean there is no proof of theism being wrong or right, and yet people still debate it as if they KNOW they are right. It’s about belief. Also, it’s funny considering Newton. Theism came, and thus, atheism came as an equal but opposite reaction. That kind of says that everybody who thinks “religion will die once people start to open their mind” is just not using their brain to say so. I mean I’m happy to know that I’m stupid and useless, because that’s all just part of being human. Believe whatever you want to believe and only search for YOUR truth, because THE truth doesn’t exist.
November 6th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Oh, and in response to all the A**holes who keep debating religion:
Read comment number 42, because it’s just as plausible as every argument anybody has come up with. Seriously, christ existed. It’s not provable, but it’s hypocritical to believe otherwise. He’s only dismissed because he was “supernatural” and therefore belief in him is “superstitious”. Who knows? Maybe people exaggerated it. Socrates never existed, Einstein never existed, Newton never existed, Gandhi never existed, you’ve never existed, and I’ve never existed. GET OVER IT!
November 12th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Here’s a website that both lists and discusses extrabiblical sources for Jesus’ existence. I’m sure some of the skeptics won’t accept this because it was put forth by a theist, but whatever:
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexisthub.html
Also, please bear in mind that the Bible as we know it wasn’t compiled into one book until A.D. 300 or so. Up until then it was a number of documents making the rounds, so the idea of the veracity of Jesus’ existence being confined to “one book” is innacurrate.
December 9th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
…Jesus is real….
It’s impossible for us NOT to have a God! What? Did you just think the hole world just appeared and trees and plants randomly came?! Jesus IS real, God is real! Why do we have fingers?? Why do we have the ground?
Why do we breath? Because Jesus gave us that! I can’t believe there is some people out there who don’t believe in Jesus, but instead, they think the world and space just popped up with a big BANG! That’s RETARDED!!!
December 17th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Retarded is believing that a mystical sky wizard got lonely and created a near endless universe only for us. Retarded and arrogant. There are two bits of proof that Christ existed, the Bible, which hardly qualifies as proof from a historian’s standpoint, and a few Roman census documents as well as documents regarding his execution. However, proof of a man’s existence is nothing. It does not prove that he was super human. It does not prove that he rose from the dead. And most of all it does not prove that the mystical sky wizard gave birth to a man that would eventually become the cosmic jewish zombie you all worship. Maybe instead of blindly following what someone else tells you, you should go out and search the world for your own truth. Following the path of another makes you nothing more than a slave. If you live your life to serve another in search of eternal life, you are deluding yourself. No matter what you do, no matter how you act, one day you will die. Until you accept this, you are useless. Stop being slaves to a dead man and live. You don’t need someone to tell you how to live your life right. Do right for the sake of doing right, if you do right because you expect to be rewarded or punished for not doing it, you are worthless and not worthy of life among civilization.
December 17th, 2009 at 10:47 am
@Mr. Durden (307):
So if I’m reading you right, and I don’t need someone else to tell me how to live my life, including yourself, then I’ll go back to believing Jesus. He told me you were stupid.
December 31st, 2009 at 2:33 am
Lol There is always the 9/11 conspiracy nut when these topics come up. Some random idiot just pops up and goes THE U.S. GOVERNMENT DID 9/11! LOOK AT THESE ”FACTS” LOL
January 2nd, 2010 at 5:26 am
HAHAHAHAHA WTF
I had to read the beginning of theory #2 like 3 times to make sure he actually didnt mean “the non-existence of God”
Really, that ain’t no conspiracy theory XD
Then you are going to tell me Santa Claus is real lol
January 5th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
I am very surprised, for everyone who absolutely doesn’t believe in Jesus, as to why this blog should have excited so much response and, to put it mildly, vitriol. Obviously people care about this topic a lot. And yet underneath all of this I don’t think your objections are all that different from the things that those proponents of Jesus are trying to slip in as subtle lessons: do right, treat others as you want to be treated most of the time anyway, give to the less fortunate, work for peace, all the right stuff.
You just don’t want someone telling you to do it. And you especially don’t like the religious mumbo-jumbo. Not to mention all these centuries of people going to war for religion and all the other blatant hypocrisies, like priests that abuse children, etc.
You might be interested in knowing about how Soren Kierkegaard saw Jesus and what he stood for. For Kierkegaard, faith was a leap. Everything in Christianity is backwards. You cannot believe it through logic or reason. It must be through faith. You must decide to believe. This decision he describes as a leap of faith. Once you make that leap, then suddenly you know. Everything makes sense, because then you have faith, you are a person of faith. You see things differently.
To Kierkegaard, Christian faith cannot be a matter of regurgitating church dogma. It has become a living thing, a personal thing, a highly subjective passion. It is an active word, in which you walk, but it is also a position word, in which you stand. It is one cool way to live. You don’t even have to be uncool to do it. Nobody is telling you how to act or what to believe. But as a person of faith nothing becomes impossible. Now of course you will come against me with all sorts of ridiculous things that will remain impossible. You can’t mock God. But at the same time, you can’t test faith till you have faith. But do you have the courage to make the leap?
January 6th, 2010 at 5:32 am
@Mr. Durden (307): wow…you really have no idea what your talking about do you? Why don’t you try researching something before you talk about it. Everything you said has absolutely nothing to do with what genuined Christians believe. So shut up and take your own advice and stop telling people how to live.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:39 am
@zombieproof78 (305): I didn’t take a look at your link but I liked the last comment you said:
“…so the idea of the veracity of Jesus’ existence being confined to “one book” is innacurrate.”
Obviously people can’t grasp the idea of “books of the bible”. Yes the bible is a book but it’s made up of more than one book. Way to hard a concept for people around here to understand.
I get irritated when people on these boards talk like they know what Christian’s believe and have absolutely no idea. I think most of them, including other Christians, would be astounded to think that a lot of educated Christian scholars don’t even discredit evolution as a means to how the earth was created. They always think they know so much.
January 9th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
Myth #8. You fall way short of the mark here. There is very LITTLE proof of Jesus’ existance. Only one person who wrote in the New Testament was alive at the time of Jesus (Peter) and there is doubt over his testamony. The ancient historian Josephus has been accused over the past two millenia as being a fraud, influenced by the Romans. The Shroud of Turin is so obviously a fake – very likely a facsimile of the former Templar leader Jaques de Molay. Nice list and all that… but really how about a bit more scholarship behind these claims?!
January 10th, 2010 at 10:11 am
That surprise ugly baby scene in “The Passion of the Christ” was one of many things that made it one of the greatest horror movies ever. Verne Troyer’s finest role, in my opinion.
January 13th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
It saddens me that this comment section is just another religion debate. How many times does this need to happen on this site? Can’t the comments just be deleted if people aren’t willing to keep it in the forums? I expected some very interesting (and entertaining) comments on this list but had to weed through hundreds of “No he didn’t”/”Yes he did”’s to uncover them. Both sides just repeat the same thing over and over. What’s the point?
January 19th, 2010 at 3:05 am
I live on Long Island and Montauk is actually right near me. I think i might check out that place
February 2nd, 2010 at 8:18 pm
Listverse thank you.
One – for a pretty handy first pass on some conspiracy theories – I love this stuff because it is always imaginative, irreverent and thought provoking.
Two – for allowing as fine a collection of mindless cretins as I’ve seen for some time, to vent their poorly researched, incomplete understandings of life, the universe and all that, on a range of topics which they are demonstarbly incapable of understanding or holding coherent throught about
It is these kindnesses that I am grateful for.
I know better, but I just can’t help myself – so I’d like to offer some insight into the ‘religous’ debate that has finally been, at last honestly, identified as a very competently maintained conspiracy theory.
Friend of mine has a parable about how to tell the difference between dogs.
A bad dog is a dog that barks when it likes and won’t stop when it’s told.
A good dog is a dog that barks but stops when it’s told.
The best dog is a dog that knows when it’s allowed to bark and when it can’t bark.
He reckons activists, freedom fighters, revolutionaries(you know the kind of people who threw the tea off the boats) are bad dogs, and won’t be told.
The good dogs are normal people in society who see something wrong and speak of it, but shut up when they are told
The best dogs are the followers of religion, because they know when to bark about right and wrong and purity, and then know when not to bark about systemic pedophilia support, suspect finacial behaviour, and supporting the rich at the expense of the poor.
Religion is the absolute proof that conspiracy theories can come true.